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If you think Rogers is better than Glass thats a fair opinion. Thats different than saying Glass isn't a top player. Saying Glass steps up in big monents in the last 10 minutes of games also isnt the same as saying he isn't influential for the first 50/60 minutes.

Anyway I'll let the Derry men defend him in future lol

Not any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up

Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.

Definitely not, the group stages are when this shadow boxing stops and the real championship begins.
I've seen various calls for provincial champions to go straight into quarter finals and other similar bollox, ludicrously, those calls have tended to be from Ulstermen. Can we not all see how that would simply reinforce the bullshit system we've had for nearly 150 years which sees kerry (and now Dublin too) advance directly to a quarter almost every year whilst the rest of us have to fight tooth and nail to get there?
For me, I'm really looking forward to groups, especially now that we all realise there is jeopardy, progressing is one thing, but progressing as group winners is a serious bonus Vs 2nd or 3rd. It's not perfect, but it's a massive step in the right direction.

If you're looking jeopardy then play straight knockout for the last 16.

Not any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up

Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.

When would the concerts happen though?

You're a quare man for the concerts!

Just goes to show anyone can beat anyone on the day. Harte is a stubborn f**ker though so I'd put money on Lynch pushing up the next day too! Not many teams have the midfield to dominate Glass!

Derry are a class side, I've no agenda here... But Conor Glass is so overrated it's unreal..another shocker performance, he saves his shockers for when Derry are in a tight spot too

I'd agree with that. Even from what I've seen at club level he's able to take it up a notch in the final 10 minutes but before that it doesn't feel like he's in the game. Seems to be the same at county level as well. Capable of a few big plays during a game but it doesn't feel like he's there consistently for 45/50 minutes

As a famous son of Derry once famously said.. 'youse boys no nothing about football'.

Glass is some operator. Not too often he doesn't have a massive say in games and steps up when the game is in the melting pot.

Not any lover of Tyrone, but it's very unfair a team having to play a big semi-final game just 6 days after a tight game. Def needs a 2 week breathing space between quarters and semi, plus a 2 week space to the qualifiers after the final for runners up

Absolutely. Scrap the group shite, 2 championships of 16 with a back door before the quarter finals or maybe just straight knockout be even better. Push the all ireland back to mid august.

[and has got big performances from Rashford in the past]

Get Southgate locked in for next season 

Is he really that bad an appointment compared to ETH? The number of shots that United concede is absolutely shocking and this mainly due to the gaps between defence, midfield and up front so easy to play through. Southgate would  have them a more stable outfit and has got big performances from Rashford in the past.  Could be possibly get a tune out of Sancho?

so has Ten Hag, so what!

The relationship with ETH and Rashford is clearly fractured and I doubt he will regain any type of form with him at the helm.  Southgate is certainly a better option than ETH at this stage. 

Played through by a championship team at the weekend but sure just stick with him hes doing a great job. 

Get a championship level manager in to gwt a championship level player to pull his finger out? No thanks, would rather let Rashford go. Probably the biggest problem at the club.

Can you blame gp's taking a private job? Handier hours and better £ sure why wouldn't they?

[the ref got it wrong or fucked up in order to shaft their team.]

So to sum up, nobody actually knows the entirety or precisely what happened, but everyone is certain the ref got it wrong or fucked up in order to shaft their team.

Great stuff.

As always

The problem is not too many games on the same day though. Why do you need to spread out completely different counties playing?

As a neutral I wouldn't have minded watching both Mayo vs Rossies and Cavan vs Tyrone. But not the end of the world that there was a clash. 

Armagh must be worth an each way bet. Likely to be top seeds having had some warm up matches to try systems/squad before the Ulster final against a jaded Donegal or Tyrone. They'll probably not have a better chance of making a semi or a final for a while.

In all seriousness, bar drawing Dublin I'd be very disappointed if we don't make a semi final. Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry, Derry, Galway, Mayo all very good teams but have their flaws, time we pushed on, sick of hard luck stories at the qf stage.

You have a serious chance of making top seed and then a 66% chance of drawing Clare or Louth/Kildare as 2nd seed in your group. Avoid the preliminary quarter final thereafter and you're set up to beat the hard luck stories!

Donegal have to be favourites for Ulster and serious All Ireland contenders after that performance at the weekend.

Armagh must be worth an each way bet. Likely to be top seeds having had some warm up matches to try systems/squad before the Ulster final against a jaded Donegal or Tyrone. They'll probably not have a better chance of making a semi or a final for a while.

In all seriousness, bar drawing Dublin I'd be very disappointed if we don't make a semi final. Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry, Derry, Galway, Mayo all very good teams but have their flaws, time we pushed on, sick of hard luck stories at the qf stage.

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

I only seen what the telly showed, as did most? My thinking is the the Tyrone man pulled him to the ground and what we seen was the grabbing each about on TV

Someon said the cavan player threw rurari away then paudie went over to him and that started it. Not sure if thats correct though.

Hampsie was at lynch the whole match, I don't think I've ever seen Paddy on a wrestling match before at a match. There was another blatant black card at the end if full time which was a very poor miss by the ref but I'm not sure would it have carried in extra time?

It's in Hampsey to do that as it is with most good defenders and in fairness it worked well, Lynch hadn't much joy for large spells the other day. A top forward like Lynch is going to get that treatment, boys in his fsce letting him know all about it when he misses.

If Armagh get past Down with relative ease like last year, will the 2 handy games stand to them, while both teams in other semi have had a tough game each?

Irrespective of the BS being talked on this thread, Armagh folk are expecting a battle on Saturday.  Despite the Antrim game, Down are a much different proposition from last year and I expect this game to be in the melting pot going down the home straight.

Down were very poor against westmeath and Antrim recently. They would struggle to beat Fermanagh. Armagh recently  trounced Fermanagh and should have beaten a very good Donegal team. It's not BS....

Down are shite. If we don't beat them we'd need to be taking a long hard look at ourselves.

That Tyrone team have better fire power than most Ulster team, it'll be an interesting game. I hate to say it but the sons of God are a joy to watch.

They are brilliant in fairness. The Donegal boys will soon soften them up though!

Outside of occasionally Armagh and Dublin, no football teams fans can really hold a candle to Munster hurling teams at the moment

Not really fair comparing with the completely different setup in hurling.

The football provincials are not much more than a warm-up before the serious business starts with the group stages.

The Munster hurling round-robin has real jeopardy with every single game being critical given 40% of the teams taking part will be finished for the summer in a few weeks (and possibly even sooner depending on how results go).

But football fans aren't going to any games in those numbers is the point. If you took Armagh fan out of the All Ireland quarter final double header on the Saturday last year there'd have been less than 15k there. Similar for the Sunday double header if you took Dublin fans out. Those are exceptionally big games and nobody outside of an Armagh bandwagon will travel for them anymore

Hurling fans, especially in Munster, will travel for games currently tbf. Clare who are a small county have brought 35k+ to their last two semis. Limerick and Cork (hurling only) have huge support constantly

Cost/amount of games have to be putting people off. The 2 Ulster games and the Limerick/Clare hurling match were all brilliant watches at the weekend, but theres a semi final and final for Tyrone/Donegal coming soon, plus 3 group games to come. The product is great but isn't helped by wankers running it down in the media and by the price of tickets.