The Palestine thread

[bcarrier]

Timed for minimum news impact after Malaysia plane downed.

[Jeepers Creepers]

BBC reporting Israel have started a ground offensive into Gaza.

[Carmen Stateside]

Isreal has to be stopped, one way or the other.  they are the low of the low.  Even here in the states you can see the tide turning against them.  Thanks to social media the truth about this part of the world is eventually coming out.  No thanks to CNN,FOX etc.
Eyes of the world on Russia and the plane crash so they see it as perfect time to invade Gaza with a ground attack. Cowards!

[seafoid]

http://www.worldbulletin.net/africa/140840/chile-to-freeze-trade-talks-with-israel-over-gaza-bombing

Chile has a huge Palestinian population. Many  Christians who were ethnically cleansed in 1948 went to Chile to join previous waves of emigrants.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Deportivo_Palestino

[dec]

There is a US right wing discussion forum called Free Republic.

Here is their thread on the invasion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181618/posts

[seafoid]

There is a US right wing discussion forum called Free Republic.

Here is their thread on the invasion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3181618/posts

I remember that site from when the Yanks invaded Iraq.

[Mike Sheehy]

And they will continue to get away with it because of their own dreadful experiences in Europe ( which leaves them beyond reproach to an extent) and because the no US administration can afford to reel them in.

It does not leave them beyond reproach by any means but they definitely have justification for their paranoia, especially in regards to Europe.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-28335358

People must not forget this no matter how unpopular that stance is to some people, especially on here.

The danger is that Israeli behavior leads to a resurgence in anti Semitism.

Jewish history is very sad but the Israelis  have inflicted an awful lot of unnecessary pain on the Palestinians.
It would be better to just give the Palestinians a state and try to live in the future rather than the past.

You have the cart before the horse. You can't leave the past behind if it keeps following you. If there is anti-Semitism in response to Israeli action it is more a case of pre-exsiting attitudes being exposed rather than "new" anti-semitism. Its like the "quenelle". People
can say whatever they want about it being an "anti-establishment" symbol. Right thinking people see through that. Wrt the middle east, Hamas  and the likes of Ahmadinejad are very effective at exploiting and contributing to this form of sectarian hatred


The only way there will be peace IMO is if the international community steps in to restrain the Israelis BUT , at the same time, ensures their security. By ensuring their security you effectively call their bluff. If its "land for peace" then give them the peace and they must give back the land, they will have no excuses after that. If they step out of line after that then I'd support bombing them into the Mediterranean. But you must be as equally ruthless with Hamas as well as the other Arab neighbours.

The problem is that the international community probably wont do this in which case the Israelies will be neither protected nor restrained and all the inevitable tit-for-tat escalations will continue.

The problem is that Israel is on the coastal plan and the Palestinians are confined to Gaza and the mountains. It's very like the colonial experience in tyrone. The shit land was in the mountains. And they didn't have time to conquer the mountains until 67 when it was too late. 
Israel is inherently vulnerable because of this. They picked a very bad site for their national experiment.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rfOpioIFZAU/0.jpg
In order to rectify it they have to run apartheid.
Which is a bigger risk.

They did not "pick" the site. They consider it their homeland in the same way that Palestinians consider it their homeland. By continuing to make these statements the clear implication is that they don't have a right to live there.

As for the original partition. Take that up with the UN. As long as both sides agree to return to the original borders (with whatever mutual land swaps that are negotiated) then it does not matter about the terrain. As far as I am concerned that would be a problem for the international community or whoever is tasked with maintaining the peace. If they want an end to the conflict then they must take on this responsibility.

they had been looking at Paraguay and Uganda too
it was easier to dispossess the Palestinians.
In the final analysis the religious link took precedence over the security angle.
Which was not rational.

They would never be fully secure no matter where they went.  There is not much that is rational about the Israeli/Palestine. Not the action of the Israelies , not the shafting of the Palestinians and especially not the actions that led to the requirement for a jewish homeland in the first place.

However, the commonly agreed solution is the two state solution with Israel withdrawing from the occupied territories. If someone can guarantee that those borders would be respected and commit money and forces to implement that solution then I would be happy to back any punitive military action against Israel.

So far I see no evidence that any state or organization is willing to take that on and act equally against both sides.

[seafoid]

Israel just bombed al Wafa hospital in Gaza. Pour encourager les autres.

[JP]

Tanks have killed a 5 month year old baby......

This whole thing is disgusting. The west will watch on, the USA will continue to sponsor this massacre. They are hypocrites of the highest order. I really hope Ireland follows Chile's lead and cease all trade with Israel, and expel all Israelite diplomats on this island.

More then likely nothing will happen except for thousands of Palestines losing their lives. Makes me sick.

[Nally Stand]

And to think, Ireland's position on this, as far as foreign affairs are concerned, is being represented by the horrible, deceitful, bitter, west-brit, pro-Israeli b****rd Charlie Flanagan 

[JimStynes]

Where is Give Her Dixie?

[give her dixie]

Where is Give Her Dixie?

Jim, I have taken a break from posting on this thread as what I was posting, how I was posting it, what I had to say and how I said it seemed to piss too many people off. Plus, I am sick to the back teeth of that p***k Sheehy fabricating lies about me in order to blacken my name. He is one spiteful bitter man who takes great delight in insulting me and my character.

If anyone wants to follow the news from Gaza, they can follow my news group Gaza TV News. I along with others based in Gaza are pushing out the news as it breaks.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GazaTVNews?ref_type=bookmark

Twitter:  https://twitter.com/GazaTVNews

Plus, please follow this group of Palestinians in Gaza live tweeting as the bombs rain down on them. It is horrific what they are posting, and heartbreaking:

https://twitter.com/occpal/lists/gazaunderattack

I am sick to the pit of my stomach what I have seen and heard over the past 10 days, and I just don't have the time or the words right now to convey how I truly feel.

[Mike Sheehy]

Where is Give Her Dixie?

Jim, I have taken a break from posting on this thread as what I was posting, how I was posting it, what I had to say and how I said it seemed to piss too many people off. Plus, I am sick to the back teeth of that p***k Sheehy fabricating lies about me in order to blacken my name. He is one spiteful bitter man who takes great delight in insulting me and my character.

If anyone wants to follow the news from Gaza, they can follow my news group Gaza TV News. I along with others based in Gaza are pushing out the news as it breaks.

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GazaTVNews?ref_type=bookmark

Twitter:  https://twitter.com/GazaTVNews

Plus, please follow this group of Palestinians in Gaza live tweeting as the bombs rain down on them. It is horrific what they are posting, and heartbreaking:

https://twitter.com/occpal/lists/gazaunderattack

I am sick to the pit of my stomach what I have seen and heard over the past 10 days, and I just don't have the time or the words right now to convey how I truly feel.

your link to Nazi sympathizers was proven by your own posts linking you to said sites you lying p***k.

[seafoid]

I think the future of Israel looks really grim after this latest savagery. They have nothing but contempt for the rights of the people of Gaza. Hamas are asking for the siege to be lifted and for Gazans to be allowed to go to East Jerusalem and they call up 60,000 soldiers and blow up a rehab hospital . The level of brainwashing to keep the Jews in Israel onside in all of this is phenomenal and it takes years to get it right.

They'll still be moaning about the Holocaust as their friends abandon them one by one.   

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/07/17/the_slaughter_of_innocents_gaza_israel_hamas_ukraine_mh71

"The sight of dead children not only weakens Israel politically and dents the country's international standing, but it taints every defensible action Israel might take and devalues any future peace by literally having snuffed it out for those who might have benefited from that better future."

[Ulick]

I think the future of Israel looks really grim after this latest savagery. They have nothing but contempt for the rights of the people of Gaza. Hamas are asking for the siege to be lifted and for Gazans to be allowed to go to East Jerusalem and they call up 60,000 soldiers and blow up a rehab hospital . The level of brainwashing to keep the Jews in Israel onside in all of this is phenomenal and it takes years to get it right.

Nah, this is just the latest in series of cycles of Israeli violence and certainly won't be the last. They know exactly how far they can push things before their US sponsors have to reign them in. A few weeks after they do, it'll all be forgotten about, agreements on border crossings and blockades will be reneged on and five years from now they'll do the same thing again.