Just to get the ball rolling...
Happy with the application of the players (in the main) last night, but still a few problem positions.
Should have Justy back, and possibly Stevie on the bench.
My view on the final week:
Galway V Derry: Galway have nothing to play for, Derry haven't much hope. Both teams have had a poor league and galway have been fortunate to accumulate the points they have IMO. Derry have a piss away record though and pearse stadium is no wee jaunt for them, galway have also played well there. Galway should win if they approach it in anyway the right manner. Galway.
Mayo V Cork: The second most pointless tie of the round. Cork are safe (thanks lads! :P) and can approach this how they want. Mayo can still be caught and so should be pushing for the victory. This match has drawn or Cork victory written all over it. Cork are probably the team of the league so I plump with them. Cork.
Dublin V Tyrone: Tyrone home advantage, have won all but one match in Healy park. Dublin won the last match in Healy Park though. Tyrone need to win. It all depends on Harte's selection. Undecided.
Monaghan V Kerry: Kerry playing badly, home advantage though. The tie of the round. should be a great game. Both teams know they survive if they win. Kerry's fear of being relegated by Tyrone on a head to head should see Kerry progress. It would be to big an insult to them for that to happen. Kerry feel they are a division 1 team. Monaghan would have a nagging thought they might only be a division 2 team. Kerry.
Selection is key.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 28, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Should have Justy back, and possibly Stevie on the bench.
I'm told that SoN is hoping to be back for this game. Be great to see him coming off the bench for it.
Quote from: ziggysego on March 28, 2010, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 28, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Should have Justy back, and possibly Stevie on the bench.
I'm told that SoN is hoping to be back for this game. Be great to see him coming off the bench for it.
Stevie is away on a sking holiday that weekend and Mugsy is best man at barry mulligans wedding that saturday so i`d be doubtful if he`s playing either.
Fair play to you FOSB for the correct Irish spelling...you're a better man than me ;)
You were only a few degrees out in the angle of your fadas omagh gael, nothing to get inferior about ;)
I will make sure to use my protractor next time HS :)
Quote from: up tyrone on March 28, 2010, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 28, 2010, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 28, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Should have Justy back, and possibly Stevie on the bench.
I'm told that SoN is hoping to be back for this game. Be great to see him coming off the bench for it.
Stevie is away on a sking holiday that weekend and Mugsy is best man at barry mulligans wedding that saturday so i`d be doubtful if he`s playing either.
This is the same Stevie O'Neill who collects injuries like pokeman cards, and he is going sking!! :o
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 28, 2010, 10:42:48 PM
Quote from: up tyrone on March 28, 2010, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on March 28, 2010, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 28, 2010, 06:35:59 PM
Should have Justy back, and possibly Stevie on the bench.
I'm told that SoN is hoping to be back for this game. Be great to see him coming off the bench for it.
Stevie is away on a sking holiday that weekend and Mugsy is best man at barry mulligans wedding that saturday so i`d be doubtful if he`s playing either.
This is the same Stevie O'Neill who collects injuries like pokeman cards, and he is going sking!! :o
You collect pokeman cards?! :o
Precious little chance of Dublin pulling this one off after last weekend.
Well Alan Brogan is back fit and ready, so presumably Gilroy will give him a game ???
I'd like to see the forward line containing the two Brogans and the two McManamons.
Hopefully we'll try something different in midfield, though I don't think any of the options are any good. Emphasises how ridiculous it was of Gilroy to force Whelan and Ryan into retirement.
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2010, 09:46:25 AM
Well Alan Brogan is back fit and ready, so presumably Gilroy will give him a game ???
I'd like to see the forward line containing the two Brogans and the two McManamons.
Hopefully we'll try something different in midfield, though I don't think any of the options are any good. Emphasises how ridiculous it was of Gilroy to force Whelan and Ryan into retirement.
They have to persist with Mc auley because he can catch the ball. The rest of any defiencies can be worked on . But if you can't catch the ball there you shouldn't be playing.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 29, 2010, 10:14:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2010, 09:46:25 AM
Well Alan Brogan is back fit and ready, so presumably Gilroy will give him a game ???
I'd like to see the forward line containing the two Brogans and the two McManamons.
Hopefully we'll try something different in midfield, though I don't think any of the options are any good. Emphasises how ridiculous it was of Gilroy to force Whelan and Ryan into retirement.
They have to persist with Mc auley because he can catch the ball. The rest of any defiencies can be worked on . But if you can't catch the ball there you shouldn't be playing.
Yeah, that'd be one change, trying him from the start there. Maybe Bastick or Magee alongside him (though I think the two of them and Fennell are all about the same standard). McConnell has a good engine and can take a score, so I'd have him as one of our roving half "forwards".
Sure is a strange league for Tyrone with us ONLY beating last years All-Ire finalists.
All the teams are well capable beating each other on their day though I'm surprised how Derry have seemed to let the league pass them by. I wonder is that half intentional.
The wife's cousin is young McAuley so I've an added interest in how he does.
I've saw him play for Bodens in last year's Dublin final and on TV a few times in the league this year.
He looks to have plenty of potential but seems to take the wrong option a lot of times.
Apparently he's quite the basketball player so I suppose he'd be used to high fielding and ball winning skills. His kicking needs a bit of work though he does come up with the odd score.
After Dublin's recent poor performances and our slow improvement I think this could be another close game. I wish I was able to attend it but I think I'll have to stay in the capital and watch it with the Dubs in a pub again.
Would be good if SoN was able to make a performance but I suppose the long rest will do him good again. I'd say Jordan & big Sean are chomping at the bit now to get back into it and show they've still loads to give.
lads i cant nderstand tyrone being even a little anxious over this game as as much as i hate to say it but indiana called this systems bluff weeks ago.the dublin lads at times dont understand what way they are meant to be playing.when we went at galway we tore into them but gilroy doesnt seem to trust these players to just go out and play football,probably understandable given the hidings we have taken over the last 2 years.id like to see the brogans and keaney start and if giller is intent on playing henry as an extra defender then name him in the hf forwards so he can do his tracking from there. id start mcauley and fennell in mid because imo mcconnell should not be even on the dublin panel.but after experimenting with this system for 6 nfl games i cant see him changing it now and if we dont tyrone will beat us with plenty to spare.
did someone say mugsy is away,we will miss his trademark goal celebration against the dubs,the one were he slowly walks in front of us cupping his ears.we love you too owen :P
Two weeks is a long time in a Div 1 relegation struggle. Who know what Dublin team will come to Omagh on Apr 10?
So many relegation scenarios out there it's crazy.
Well, I'm sure Mickey'll be looking at it that it's win or bust. It's more than likely that Kerry will defeat Monaghan at home, sending Tyrone down - they could even finish last in that scenario if Derry win in Galway.
Another aspect to this game is that it's the last game before they run out against Antrim in May. If McGinley, O'Neill, Dooher etc are raring to go in 55 days time, who has worked their way into a starting berth reckoning? Have we seen enough of McCarron, Cassidy, Colm etc - will be hard to predict.
I'd like another look at Peter Harte, Coney and McCarron against the Jacks.
I was reading in Saturday night's programme that bring in division one means an awful lot in terms of the revenue you get from the NFL shareout.
Does anyone know what the difference would be from a division 1 team to division 2 ??
Quote from: orangeman on March 29, 2010, 10:14:42 PM
I was reading in Saturday night's programme that bring in division one means an awful lot in terms of the revenue you get from the NFL shareout.
Does anyone know what the difference would be from a division 1 team to division 2 ??
Even after that, playing the likes of the Kingdom, Cork, Mayo etc is great preparation for the season. Better than Tipp or Armagh.
I hope the referee isn't reading this and that it is not part of his "brief" !!
Dublin presence would boost League final coffers
Dublin may yet see the Cork jersey again if they were to qualify for the final
The GAA could lose up to €600,000 if Dublin fail to clinch a place in the Allianz NFL Division 1 decider at Croke Park on 25 April.
That's the estimated difference between gate receipts for a top flight final featuring Dublin and Cork as opposed to Mayo and Cork, which is the only other possible pairing.
Defeats by Cork and Galway have left the Metropolitans needing to beat Tyrone in Omagh on Sunday week to have any chance of reaching the decider for the first time since 1999.
If Dublin win and Mayo lose to Cork it will be a Dublin-Cork final. If Dublin win and Mayo win or draw, it will be a Cork-Mayo final.
It's unlikely that Mayo v Cork (Div 1) and Down v Armagh or Donegal (Div 2) finals would attract much more than 30,000 to Croke Park but it could soar to at least 70,000 if Dublin were involved.
Dublin have been involved in some massive League encounters in recent years, including last year's clash with Tyrone, which attracted 79,161 to Croke Park on the opening night of the competition.
It returned gate receipts of €993,556 which, remarkably, was more than the rest of the subsequent Division 1 games, including the final, put together. Those 28 games returned €805,137.
Quote from: orangeman on April 01, 2010, 10:42:32 AM
I hope the referee isn't reading this and that it is not part of his "brief" !!
Dublin presence would boost League final coffers
Dublin may yet see the Cork jersey again if they were to qualify for the final
The GAA could lose up to €600,000 if Dublin fail to clinch a place in the Allianz NFL Division 1 decider at Croke Park on 25 April.
That's the estimated difference between gate receipts for a top flight final featuring Dublin and Cork as opposed to Mayo and Cork, which is the only other possible pairing.
Defeats by Cork and Galway have left the Metropolitans needing to beat Tyrone in Omagh on Sunday week to have any chance of reaching the decider for the first time since 1999.
If Dublin win and Mayo lose to Cork it will be a Dublin-Cork final. If Dublin win and Mayo win or draw, it will be a Cork-Mayo final.
It's unlikely that Mayo v Cork (Div 1) and Down v Armagh or Donegal (Div 2) finals would attract much more than 30,000 to Croke Park but it could soar to at least 70,000 if Dublin were involved.
Dublin have been involved in some massive League encounters in recent years, including last year's clash with Tyrone, which attracted 79,161 to Croke Park on the opening night of the competition.
It returned gate receipts of €993,556 which, remarkably, was more than the rest of the subsequent Division 1 games, including the final, put together. Those 28 games returned €805,137.
We're fooked :D
we just have to go out and hammer them then and not leave it to chance.
at least we wont have duffy or hughes refereeing it - will we?.
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Hard to bate ! ;)
Quote from: orangeman on April 01, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Hard to bate ! ;)
maybe yiz could get the ref in to show yiz the best way to tackle without fouling,just like another ulster team done a few year ago before they played us. ;D
Quote from: micka the dub on April 01, 2010, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 01, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Hard to bate ! ;)
maybe yiz could get the ref in to show yiz the best way to tackle without fouling,just like another ulster team done a few year ago before they played us. ;D
And who's us?
Quote from: Gaffer on April 01, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: micka the dub on April 01, 2010, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 01, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Hard to bate ! ;)
maybe yiz could get the ref in to show yiz the best way to tackle without fouling,just like another ulster team done a few year ago before they played us. ;D
And who's us?
You're taking the p1ss........aren't you??
Quote from: mackers on April 01, 2010, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 01, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: micka the dub on April 01, 2010, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 01, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Hard to bate ! ;)
maybe yiz could get the ref in to show yiz the best way to tackle without fouling,just like another ulster team done a few year ago before they played us. ;D
And who's us?
You're taking the p1ss........aren't you??
Arrgh ! Just read yer mans handle now.......Micka the dub
Quote from: mackers on April 01, 2010, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 01, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: micka the dub on April 01, 2010, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 01, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Hard to bate ! ;)
maybe yiz could get the ref in to show yiz the best way to tackle without fouling,just like another ulster team done a few year ago before they played us. ;D
And who's us?
You're taking the p1ss........aren't you??
am i ???.have you never heard about that.
Quote from: micka the dub on April 01, 2010, 09:31:38 PM
Quote from: mackers on April 01, 2010, 05:45:30 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 01, 2010, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: micka the dub on April 01, 2010, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 01, 2010, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 01, 2010, 01:19:03 PM
Getting the excuses in early lads...
Hard to bate ! ;)
maybe yiz could get the ref in to show yiz the best way to tackle without fouling,just like another ulster team done a few year ago before they played us. ;D
And who's us?
You're taking the p1ss........aren't you??
am i ???.have you never heard about that.
:D :D sounds a bit like Willie O Dea
Micka's just stirring for another 'Battle of Omagh', like 2006.
Sorry Micka, this is the last game of the league, not the first, and no matter how you try we're going to play football this time. So wind up all you like ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 01, 2010, 09:39:57 PM
Micka's just stirring for another 'Battle of Omagh', like 2006.
Sorry Micka, this is the last game of the league, not the first, and no matter how you try we're going to play football this time. So wind up all you like ;)
ha ha.nah i dont know how true that story is ,probably an urban myth.
I see Derek Fahy has been named as the match referee...anyone any opinions on this? Can't remember anything of the top of my head which would set alarm bells ringing (although probably wrong!)
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2010, 09:53:06 AM
I see Derek Fahy has been named as the match referee...anyone any opinions on this? Can't remember anything of the top of my head which would set alarm bells ringing (although probably wrong!)
He refereed the Greencastle v Duagh game in 2007. I found him to be a decent enough ref for both teams.
Don't know what he's like now that he's on the county scene.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2010, 09:53:06 AM
I see Derek Fahy has been named as the match referee...anyone any opinions on this? Can't remember anything of the top of my head which would set alarm bells ringing (although probably wrong!)
Hope he heads to the right pitch.
Five days to the game now lads an lassies. Anyone willing to have a stab at the starting XV on Sunday? My team would be...
Packie
Carlin
Justy (I'm assuming he's fit again
Mc Carron
Red Sean
Gormley
Davey/Ricey (undecided)
C Cavanagh
Cassidy
Coney
S Cavanagh
P Harte
T Mc Guigan
Penrose
Mc Cullagh
I have left out Mugsy as it has been mentioned that he's unavailable, TMcG gets his place although he wouldn't start in my 15 If Mugsy was there
QuoteHe refereed the Greencastle v Duagh game in 2007. I found him to be a decent enough ref for both teams.
Thats cause ye fecking won, He is hardly flavour of the month in Duagh ;)
C'mon the Dubs (jaysus that's hard to say out load)
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 06, 2010, 08:52:56 PM
Five days to the game now lads an lassies. Anyone willing to have a stab at the starting XV on Sunday? My team would be...
Packie
Carlin
Justy (I'm assuming he's fit again
Mc Carron
Red Sean
Gormley
Davey/Ricey (undecided)
C Cavanagh
Cassidy
Coney
S Cavanagh
P Harte
T Mc Guigan
Penrose
Mc Cullagh
I have left out Mugsy as it has been mentioned that he's unavailable, TMcG gets his place although he wouldn't start in my 15 If Mugsy was there
Would be very suprised if Phily Jordan doesn't start after his contribution the last day. Still the best wing half back in Tyrone. Would also be suprised if Joe McMahon doesn't start. He'll probably be full back as I can't see Justy being ready. Also would imagine Mugsy would be available for such an important game. Don't think Harte would be that impressed if he made himself unavailable for a second time.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on April 06, 2010, 09:37:00 PM
QuoteHe refereed the Greencastle v Duagh game in 2007. I found him to be a decent enough ref for both teams.
Thats cause ye fecking won, He is hardly flavour of the month in Duagh ;)
C'mon the Dubs (jaysus that's hard to say out load)
Typical Kerry wans, blame the ref! ;D
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 06, 2010, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 06, 2010, 08:52:56 PM
Five days to the game now lads an lassies. Anyone willing to have a stab at the starting XV on Sunday? My team would be...
Packie
Carlin
Justy (I'm assuming he's fit again
Mc Carron
Red Sean
Gormley
Davey/Ricey (undecided)
C Cavanagh
Cassidy
Coney
S Cavanagh
P Harte
T Mc Guigan
Penrose
Mc Cullagh
I have left out Mugsy as it has been mentioned that he's unavailable, TMcG gets his place although he wouldn't start in my 15 If Mugsy was there
Would be very suprised if Phily Jordan doesn't start after his contribution the last day. Still the best wing half back in Tyrone. Would also be suprised if Joe McMahon doesn't start. He'll probably be full back as I can't see Justy being ready. Also would imagine Mugsy would be available for such an important game. Don't think Harte would be that impressed if he made himself unavailable for a second time.
its mugsy's bro's wedding nah?? cant see him blowing off barry for a league game in all honesty.
so its gonna be
packie
carlin joe McCarron (hope not though. liability)
jordan rock nephew
colm cass
coney(dont think so)/mulgrew cavanagh nephew 2 (definite)
mellon penfold tommy
would be suprised to see mccullagh with no starts in the league at all playing this one who else is there??
Quote from: trileacman on April 06, 2010, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 06, 2010, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 06, 2010, 08:52:56 PM
Five days to the game now lads an lassies. Anyone willing to have a stab at the starting XV on Sunday? My team would be...
Packie
Carlin
Justy (I'm assuming he's fit again
Mc Carron
Red Sean
Gormley
Davey/Ricey (undecided)
C Cavanagh
Cassidy
Coney
S Cavanagh
P Harte
T Mc Guigan
Penrose
Mc Cullagh
I have left out Mugsy as it has been mentioned that he's unavailable, TMcG gets his place although he wouldn't start in my 15 If Mugsy was there
Would be very suprised if Phily Jordan doesn't start after his contribution the last day. Still the best wing half back in Tyrone. Would also be suprised if Joe McMahon doesn't start. He'll probably be full back as I can't see Justy being ready. Also would imagine Mugsy would be available for such an important game. Don't think Harte would be that impressed if he made himself unavailable for a second time.
its mugsy's bro's wedding nah?? cant see him blowing off barry for a league game in all honesty.
so its gonna be
packie
carlin joe
I thought he was his cousin but could be wrong. The wedding is Saturday and the game is Sunday so he wouldn't be missing it.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 06, 2010, 11:11:44 PM
I thought he was his cousin but could be wrong. The wedding is Saturday and the game is Sunday so he wouldn't be missing it.
Nah i'd say your right, im going by something i read on here so don't hold me to it. probably will be playing if this is the case.
D'Oh! I knew I by-passed a couple of obvious starters, Joe and Philly definitely would be in the starting 15 i'd swap them with TMcG and Nephew respectively. Something like this...
Packie
Carlin Justy Mc Carron
S O'Neill Block Jordan
Cass C Cav Joe
Coney Mc Cullagh Harte
S Cav Penrose
I realise Colm Mc Cullagh hasnt played much but i'd like to see get a full game to show us what sort of form he's in and he usually plays very well again de dubs. If Mugsy is available i'd sacrifice Mc Cullaghs start and move S Cav out to HF line and Mugsy into FF line with Penrose
Last run-out before the Championship. Any word on O'Neill and Dooher?
From HS:
Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has confirmed that star forward Stephen O'Neill is close to making his return from injury, but will play no part when the Red Hands welcome Dublin to Omagh this Sunday.
O'Neill dislocated his elbow during the McKenna Cup final defeat to Donegal back in January and is expected to be available again for Harte when his team clash with Antrim in their Ulster SFC opener.
"He won't be ready, simple as that," said Harte.
"There is no point in rushing him back and damaging it further. The important thing is that he will be ok for the Antrim championship game."
Full-back Justin McMahon has also been ruled out for the Dubs visit after picking up an injury against Galway, but there is some good news ahead of this weekend as Kevin Hughes is set for a return to action after missing the last three games through injury.
Harte Calls for 16th Man
Senior Manager Mickey Harte has called for Tyrone fans to get out to Omagh on Sunday afternoon to show their support for both Tyrone teams that will take to the field.
Tyrone fans arriving early to the game on Sunday will have the opportunity to view the Tyrone Camogs in the National League Div 4 Final against Westmeath.
Mickey told TyroneGAA.ie that "the noise generated out of the stand and the terraces in the last fifteen minutes was incredible. It really drove our players on to secure the win. If we could get more of the same on Sunday afternoon I believe we can secure the points we need".
Sourced TyroneGAA.ie (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2010/04/harte-calls-for-16th-man/)
If he wants a 16th man I will sneak on in the last ten and play left corner forward, my left boot would give SoN a run for his money :D
Very weak Dublin team named - Gilroy wasn't bullshi**ing all spring so when he claimed he didn't care about reaching a league final
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2010, 09:13:09 AM
Very weak Dublin team named - Gilroy wasn't bullshi**ing all spring so when he claimed he didn't care about reaching a league final
DUBLIN (SF v Tyrone)
Michael Savage
Paul Conlon
Rory O'Carroll
Ross O'Carroll
Philly McMahon
Denis Bastick
Cian O'Sullivan
Eamon Fennell
Ross McConnell
David Henry
Niall Corkery
Paul Flynn
Alan Hubbard
Kevin McManamon
Bernard Brogan
I'm not going to bother with analysis because there is no point. However if anyone knows the handicap for this game for a Tyrone win could they put it up. This is a better bet then Ruby Walsh on a favourite. I could do with making a few quid.
Who are the main lads yer are missing lads?
I see toung Macauley hasnt made it again.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 08, 2010, 10:51:46 AM
Who are the main lads yer are missing lads?
I see toung Macauley hasnt made it again.
Cahill- no idea
Al Brogan- no idea
Keaney- no idea
Mc Auley- no idea
Griffin- injured for season
Cluxton- no idea
Imo can only see 5 "definite starters" for the Championship on that team...... The 3 O's, Brogan (B), and Henry (as captain).
Flynn and McMenamin both probables. Hubbard maybe.
Was hoping to see a more setttled team this close to the championship and especially with the chance (admittedly unlikely) of a Lgue final appearance. Bit uneasy that Alan B and Conal have seen so little football .
On the plus side delighted to see the 3 Crokes lads in the backs...... each of them imo real gems.
As always with Dublin July/August (I hope) results/performances are the yardstick.
Quote from: Canalman on April 08, 2010, 11:12:45 AM
Imo can only see 5 "definite starters" for the Championship on that team...... The 3 O's, Brogan (B), and Henry (as captain).
Flynn and McMenamin both probables. Hubbard maybe.
Was hoping to see a more setttled team this close to the championship and especially with the chance (admittedly unlikely) of a Lgue final appearance. Bit uneasy that Alan B and Conal have seen so little football .
On the plus side delighted to see the 3 Crokes lads in the backs...... each of them imo real gems.
As always with Dublin July/August (I hope) results/performances are the yardstick.
the league is as good an indicator of championship form over the last 3 years as anything. So why not pick our best team. Kerry are treating their game like a championship game. JOC even said so. So aren't we?
Will be another interesting test for Tyrone, especially defensively as the Dublin forward line has been rampant at times this year. Bernard Brogan is possibly the best forward in the Country this year so far. And in fairness, he was in top form last year too. It will be a good test for the Tyrone defence as if we do claim to have realisitic All Ireland ambitions, we need to be able to handle guys like him come August. Who will pick him up? Possibly Carlin, definitely Justin McMahon had he have been fit.
McConnell should stay in goals especially for stability as we need to sort the kick out situation which is becoming a mess, what with kick outs going over the end line or straight to opposition. Can see him being loyal to ricey and davy, although i don't think you can afford to carry both these guys in the same defence and i am certain this will be exposed in Croke Park. Jordan should get a start and i suppose mccarron deserves another go.
Carlin, Joe, McCarron
Ricey, Gormley, Jordan
i presume?
Midfield has been a strong point and should remain unaltered.
Half forward line of possibly Coney, Sean and Peter Harte although don't be surprised to see Mellon in there.
Full forward line of Mulligan and Penrose and AN OTHER, think Tommy McGuigan should be tried out the field as he doesn't have the suppleness of penrose for inside, although you would then miss penrose work rate and pace in the middle third should you revert him to a traditional no.14 ==========
Tyrone goal-hero Colm Cavanagh is fully confident that the team can recover from a disappointing NFL campaign to blossom on the All-Ireland SFC stage this summer.
The Red Hands take on Dublin in a must-win game this Sunday at Omagh, where defeat would leave them with the very real possibility of relegation down to Division Two and the Moy man believes that they can turn it around.
"We haven't played our best football," Cavan admitted to the Irish Daily Mirror.
"We're only playing in fits and starts so it's a matter of getting consistent for the whole 70, 75 minutes. People said we're lacking intensity but to be honest I think the intensity is always there.
"Maybe we have switched off in different periods and it had cost us. Teams like Galway and Mayo have punished us. But if we can keep it going for the whole 70 minutes I have no doubt we're heading for a good summer."
So far Cavanagh has scored three goals in the campaign, two of which have been vital in wins over Cork and Kerry, but he knows they will be for nothing unless two points are secured this weekend.
"I've scored two tap-ins and one fluke supposedly, but the goals won't mean anything if we don't beat Dublin," he said.
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Would be shocked if Davy Harte was dropped although I personally wouldn't pick him. It wouldn't suprise me if he went with the following defence:
Carlin
Gormley
McCarron
Harte
Ricey
Jordan
That would mean Joe playing half forward. Personally I hope Joe continue's at full back which could free Justy to play at half back or even midfield for the championship.
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2010, 09:13:09 AM
Very weak Dublin team named - Gilroy wasn't bullshi**ing all spring so when he claimed he didn't care about reaching a league final
Did the majority of the team not start throughout the league?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 08, 2010, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 08, 2010, 09:13:09 AM
Very weak Dublin team named - Gilroy wasn't bullshi**ing all spring so when he claimed he didn't care about reaching a league final
Did the majority of the team not start throughout the league?
The majority did, but after six rounds of the league it's apparent which of the 'new' players are going to cut it at IC level, which aren't and which the jury is still out on.
If he was serious about reaching a league final, he would've played his best team available..
Interesting that you pick that defence TD as quite a few lads I've been chatting to have went for much the same with Block back to Full back as they feel his lack of pace could get exploited more out the field whereas he's cute enough to play FB with maybe not as much pushing forward.
Would anyone fancy going through all the players that have played this year and give a quick synopsis of them.
The only game I was at was the Derry game and its strange how things have changed since that night
We were all cursing CC and hopeful Coney would make the starting championship XV.
Looks like Carlin and maybe even McCarron have played themselves into the team with Davey going backwards to where we used to love to hate him or are we just being hard on him again.
Jordan looked good when he came on and oozed hunger and drive
Ricey looks a shadow of the player he was and needs to get back to basics & stop giving away easy possession.
Sean looks to be coming back to him all self as well but its early days but his long range point taking is a joy to watch
Speaking of which, I hope we sort out this kicking it into the keepers hands.
We must have so at least 5 or 6 each match we've played.
I think we've went from having the stongest half back & half forward line in the country to the opposite at the moment.
Cassidy has done well in the whole though he tends to drift in & out the odd time. He's strong and will certainly add to our MF area.
Mulgrew has tried but failed again and I'm sure its more in his head at this stage that he cant cut it
Tommy has really annoyed me for a while now. Maybe I'm not being fair to him and maybe he's not fully fit but he seems to not even try any more and wastes a lot of possession and frees. I'd like to see Sean hit the frees from now on.
Mugsy and Tommy miss more than they score I think.
Penrose has been a great player and has proved a lot of doubters wrong. He works his socks off and although he takes the wrong option the odd time to me has been one of our more consistent forwards
Would like to see McCullagh get more of a run but maybe Mickey is saving him for the summer.
Agree with most of that Fuzzman. Personally I'd prefer Gormley at centre half back were he can read the game well and cover in front of the full back line. Would worry more about his pace being exploited at full back.
Based on league form both Davy Harte and Tommy McGuigan shouldn't be starting. Both Cavanagh and Cassidy have did well at midfield but not convinced they're both ready to start there together come championshp. Both have a habbit of coming in and out of games. Having said that I'd rather Hub was used as a sub and McGinley in the half forward line if back on form so it doesn't leave many options.
It looks like centre half forward could be Sean Cavanaghs position this year with Brian McGugian being used as an impact sub. Would worry that Dooher hasn't been seen considering he was supposed to be close to a return weeks ago. Harte didn't even mention him in Irish News.
QuoteDUBLIN (SF v Tyrone)
Michael Savage
Paul Conlon
Rory O'Carroll
Ross O'Carroll
Philly McMahon
Denis Bastick
Cian O'Sullivan
Eamon Fennell
Ross McConnell
David Henry
Niall Corkery
Paul Flynn
Alan Hubbard
Kevin McManamon
Bernard Brogan
I'm not going to bother with analysis because there is no point. However if anyone knows the handicap for this game for a Tyrone win could they put it up. This is a better bet then Ruby Walsh on a favourite. I could do with making a few quid.Quote
You said the same prior to the Kerry game Indiana and that went ok. I hardly have the time to defend another manager against unreasonable criticism, what with the Mayo lads and all but Gilroy is doing alright in my book. No harm in giving Savage another run between the posts and Brogan or Keaney would hardly be right to start a game like this, anyway isn't this a great opportunity to give experience to some young lads in a championship like game. Those not starting can always come off the bench if needed and the difference between 70 mins and 40min of action won't be huge for Brogan or Keaney. McAuley is the only surprise omission for me as I think he needs to look at alternatives for the championship at midfield.
Quote from: Zulu on April 08, 2010, 03:01:18 PM
QuoteDUBLIN (SF v Tyrone)
Michael Savage
Paul Conlon
Rory O'Carroll
Ross O'Carroll
Philly McMahon
Denis Bastick
Cian O'Sullivan
Eamon Fennell
Ross McConnell
David Henry
Niall Corkery
Paul Flynn
Alan Hubbard
Kevin McManamon
Bernard Brogan
I'm not going to bother with analysis because there is no point. However if anyone knows the handicap for this game for a Tyrone win could they put it up. This is a better bet then Ruby Walsh on a favourite. I could do with making a few quid.Quote
You said the same prior to the Kerry game Indiana and that went ok. I hardly have the time to defend another manager against unreasonable criticism, what with the Mayo lads and all but Gilroy is doing alright in my book. No harm in giving Savage another run between the posts and Brogan or Keaney would hardly be right to start a game like this, anyway isn't this a great opportunity to give experience to some young lads in a championship like game. Those not starting can always come off the bench if needed and the difference between 70 mins and 40min of action won't be huge for Brogan or Keaney. McAuley is the only surprise omission for me as I think he needs to look at alternatives for the championship at midfield.
Darren Magee should be in midfield - McConnell still hasn't made a single clean catch at midfield all league and we've been cleaned out in that sector in the last two games
Would have been nice to see Alan Brogan back, but no surprise that Gilroy is continuing to treat the league as being for experimental purposes only. I don't have a problem with that, assuming he has some overall plan! Missing the league won't do Brogan any harm, tho bringing Cahill back and then leaving him out again is a bit of a strange one.
Glad to see something else tried at 6. Some people have bee raving about Cian O'Sullivan, but the main thing we've learned about him this campaign is that he is not ready for intercounty championship level at centre back. Wing back should suit him much better.
Midfield is a disaster area, so I can understand getting big men in and around that area.
Glad to see KevMc get another start. This should be a good test.
Must admit that I know very little about Niall Corkery. If you asked me to name 15 forwards who might play against Tyrone, Corkery would not have been in the list! I haven't heard about him being talked up before - can anyone provide more info on him?
I don't think making a league final will fit into Gilroy's plans for playing down expectations! Hopefully the lads can pull out a victory despite that!
1 Jonathan Curran – Oileán a'Ghuail
2 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
3 Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
4 Ryan McMenamin – An An Droim Mhór
5 David Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan – An Mhaigh
8 Aidan Cassidy – Eochar
9 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
10 Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
11 Brian McGuigan – Ard Bó
12 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
13 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
14 Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
15 Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
16 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Kevin Hughes – Cill Íseal
18 Jason McAnulla – An Omaigh
19 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
20 Colm McCullagh – An Droim Mhór
21 Conal McElholm – An Omaigh
22 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
23 Colm McGurk – An Charraig Mhór
24 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
So Tommy gets the chop with Brian replacing Colly at 11.
And...Curran?
Curran's kickouts have been a major factor in a good few league defeats in recent seasons. I have no problem with him starting on Sunday though if Harte has told him to get distance on his kickouts as its when he tries the short one's that theres a problem.
Can't understand how Cathal McCarron has been dropped before Harte and Ricey. Given his inexperience I think he has did quite well whereas Ricey and Harte have been well off the pace.
I see it says Mugsy is injured. Wonder is this right.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 08, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
Curran's kickouts have been a major factor in a good few league defeats in recent seasons. I have no problem with him starting on Sunday though if Harte has told him to get distance on his kickouts as its when he tries the short one's that theres a problem.
Can't understand how Cathal McCarron has been dropped before Harte and Ricey. Given his inexperience I think he has did quite well whereas Ricey and Harte have been well off the pace.
I see it says Mugsy is injured. Wonder is this right.
Told use 2 wks ago hes bestman at a wedding on saturday and is unavailable.
Quote from: up tyrone on April 08, 2010, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 08, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
Curran's kickouts have been a major factor in a good few league defeats in recent seasons. I have no problem with him starting on Sunday though if Harte has told him to get distance on his kickouts as its when he tries the short one's that theres a problem.
Can't understand how Cathal McCarron has been dropped before Harte and Ricey. Given his inexperience I think he has did quite well whereas Ricey and Harte have been well off the pace.
I see it says Mugsy is injured. Wonder is this right.
Told use 2 wks ago hes bestman at a wedding on saturday and is unavailable.
It says on BBC and RTE he is injured but I'm assuming that the real reason is the wedding. Bit of a loss in the forwards but good to see Donnelly get another chance. Would be a bit worried about a lack of ball winning ability in the half forward line if Cavanagh actually plays at full forward.
I'm very nervous that Curran is starting.
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 08, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
I'm very nervous that Curran is starting.
Why?
Why you asking why? You knpw the answer?
Clue.....
Last game he played for Tyrone
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 08, 2010, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 08, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
I'm very nervous that Curran is starting.
Why?
Why you asking why? You knpw the answer?
Clue.....
Last game he played for Tyrone
One game ffs. One mistake and his Bangors went. Jeez.
Come on!!! There was more than one mistake. 1st half was brutal for him!!!
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:57:00 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 08, 2010, 11:54:08 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 08, 2010, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 08, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
I'm very nervous that Curran is starting.
Why?
Why you asking why? You knpw the answer?
Clue.....
Last game he played for Tyrone
One game ffs. One mistake and his Bangors went. Jeez.
Come on!!! There was more than one mistake. 1st half was brutal for him!!!
Deserves a chance to put that right imo.
For sure, but I'm allowed to be nervous aren't I ;)
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:57:00 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 08, 2010, 11:54:08 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 08, 2010, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 08, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
I'm very nervous that Curran is starting.
Why?
Why you asking why? You knpw the answer?
Clue.....
Last game he played for Tyrone
One game ffs. One mistake and his Bangors went. Jeez.
Come on!!! There was more than one mistake. 1st half was brutal for him!!!
Deserves a chance to put that right imo.
Ok. Hope the game goes well for him on a personal basis at least. Honestly thought after the last game that he would never be selected for Tyrone again. Now that he is, I only wish Johnny all the best.
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on April 08, 2010, 11:49:41 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2010, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 08, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
I'm very nervous that Curran is starting.
Why?
Why you asking why? You knpw the answer?
Clue.....
Last game he played for Tyrone
One game ffs. One mistake and his Bangors went. Jeez.
To be fair it wasn't one game and has happened numerous times. Remember him costing Tyrone 2 or 3 points from poor kickouts in a league game in 2008 v Derry. The problem every time is when he tries the short kickouts. Until he gets over his nerves should be told to stop trying them.
We played Coalisland last week and Curran didn't put a foot wrong and he drove the ball 70 yards up the middle each time.
To be honest I'm a little disappointed with the team. I know it's a must win game but there seems to be an over reliance on players that have been off colour all season or some of the older heads. I can't understand how Davey Harte starts again, he's had a poor league at best. Maybe it's the case that Mickey thinks Dublin brings the best out of him. (Fingers crossed anyway)
Similarly Ricey's been exposed a couple of times this year as having lost a yard or two of pace. The lack of pace in the defence is worrying. It's not something that Dublin might expose but it may be exposed down the line.
I'd have preferred to see a more natural point scorer in the forward line. Perhaps McCullagh instead of McGuigan would give it a more balanced look to it.
Quote from: barelegs on April 09, 2010, 01:24:23 AM
To be honest I'm a little disappointed with the team. I know it's a must win game but there seems to be an over reliance on players that have been off colour all season or some of the older heads. I can't understand how Davey Harte starts again, he's had a poor league at best. Maybe it's the case that Mickey thinks Dublin brings the best out of him. (Fingers crossed anyway)
Similarly Ricey's been exposed a couple of times this year as having lost a yard or two of pace. The lack of pace in the defence is worrying. It's not something that Dublin might expose but it may be exposed down the line.
I'd have preferred to see a more natural point scorer in the forward line. Perhaps McCullagh instead of McGuigan would give it a more balanced look to it.
wouldnt agree with that - team is looking better. great to see Jordan back. Harte and Ricey will hopefully have played their worst games of the year at this stage. Midfield area is looking stronger, dare i say it, with C Cavanagh starting to become the player he thinks he is. S Cavanagh looks fired up. Penrose and Cassidy are playing well. Curran isnt a bad keeper - just had a bad game which ultimately everyone is entitled to every once in a while.
Looking at the last 4-5 games there has been improvement in many of the key areas and with players coming back, its looking a whole lot better at the start of April than it did at the start of march
Strange enough team but one who hopefully will have enough to nad the two points.
Surprised to see mc carron dropped, would this be a result of his rather silly second yellow against Kerry? Davey and Ricey get a start again, these two definately not playing no where near their potential but they've shown us in the past that they can get their form back in a big way following a run of poor games. Must be hard to stomach for the likes of Sean O'Neill who has done well in the
majority of subsitute appearences so far. No real surprises in the back lines and great to see Jordan
back in the first 15!
Hoping for another big game for midfield, last chance for these lads to cement their places for the 23rd May. Would be good news for Tyrone to establish this alternative middle two.
Disappointed not seeing Mugsy play as he's always a bit of craic versus the Dubs! Not saying that I'm happy to see Tommy dropped but I think it'd be worthwhile to see another option tried as TMcG has had cart loads of starts and we know what he'll offer. Lets see if anyone else can do enough to nab a championship start. Unlikely though as I can see TMcG starting come the 23rd. Looking forward to seeing if Coney's game will improve having his play making club mate next to him. I'm sure we'll see him bust a gut to prove that's he's up for senior football now.
DUBLIN (SF v Tyrone)
Michael Savage
Paul Conlon
Rory O'Carroll
Ross O'Carroll
Philly McMahon
Denis Bastick
Cian O'Sullivan
Eamon Fennell
Ross McConnell
David Henry
Niall Corkery
Paul Flynn
Alan Hubbard
Kevin McManamon
Bernard Brogan
I'm not going to bother with analysis because there is no point. However if anyone knows the handicap for this game for a Tyrone win could they put it up. This is a better bet then Ruby Walsh on a favourite. I could do with making a few quid.
You said the same prior to the Kerry game Indiana and that went ok. I hardly have the time to defend another manager against unreasonable criticism, what with the Mayo lads and all but Gilroy is doing alright in my book. No harm in giving Savage another run between the posts and Brogan or Keaney would hardly be right to start a game like this, anyway isn't this a great opportunity to give experience to some young lads in a championship like game. Those not starting can always come off the bench if needed and the difference between 70 mins and 40min of action won't be huge for Brogan or Keaney. McAuley is the only surprise omission for me as I think he needs to look at alternatives for the championship at midfield.
Darren Magee should be in midfield - McConnell still hasn't made a single clean catch at midfield all league and we've been cleaned out in that sector in the last two games
If you think Mc Auley is the only omission you're codding yourself. Where is Paddy andrews? The best young forward in the county. I could go on. But i won't because I won't get any work done today. What has some of the guys playing on Sunday done to justify their inclusion ahead of him?
Starred for the 21's last year, u21 football captain, spear headed DCU to a Sigerson Cup yet he's not good enough to start in the NFL. Mindboggling.
At least mickey Harte went easy on us. Can't fathom the Tyrone selection at all. Leaves 3/4 of his best players on the bench in a must-win game. Then again I can't really criticise when you see the Dublin selection.
The longer the league has gone on the more disillusioned I've become. There was a time when when I'd have been on the road early to Omagh but genuinely can't get interested in this game at all
I agree, Paddy Andrews omission is a strange one but there will always be one or two players supporters will argue could and should be in the team. The bottom line is forwards and the ability to put up scores hasn't been Dublin's biggest failing over the past few years and isn't the problem now. Midfield is a serious worry but Magee isn't the solution, so you could drop McConnell or Fennell for him but that is simply moving the deck chairs around rather than Gilroy ignoring an obvious solution to their midfield problems.
IMO you've been consistently over critical of Gilroy and Dublin supporters, in general, have been overly negative about a management that have won a Leinster title and are one win away from making a league final (dependent on results elsewhere). And this league performance was achieved without players like Cullen, A. Brogan, Bastick, Keaney, Jayo, the O'Carroll brothers (at times), Griffin and probably one or two more I'm forgetting. It seems to me that the only way Gilroy will get a bit of credit is if Dublin win games by scoring 2-20 and concede 0-3.
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on April 09, 2010, 09:16:35 AM
Quote from: barelegs on April 09, 2010, 01:24:23 AM
To be honest I'm a little disappointed with the team. I know it's a must win game but there seems to be an over reliance on players that have been off colour all season or some of the older heads. I can't understand how Davey Harte starts again, he's had a poor league at best. Maybe it's the case that Mickey thinks Dublin brings the best out of him. (Fingers crossed anyway)
Similarly Ricey's been exposed a couple of times this year as having lost a yard or two of pace. The lack of pace in the defence is worrying. It's not something that Dublin might expose but it may be exposed down the line.
I'd have preferred to see a more natural point scorer in the forward line. Perhaps McCullagh instead of McGuigan would give it a more balanced look to it.
wouldnt agree with that - team is looking better. great to see Jordan back. Harte and Ricey will hopefully have played their worst games of the year at this stage. Midfield area is looking stronger, dare i say it, with C Cavanagh starting to become the player he thinks he is. S Cavanagh looks fired up. Penrose and Cassidy are playing well. Curran isnt a bad keeper - just had a bad game which ultimately everyone is entitled to every once in a while.
Looking at the last 4-5 games there has been improvement in many of the key areas and with players coming back, its looking a whole lot better at the start of April than it did at the start of march
Don't get me wrong there has been a massive improvement over the course of the league. There had to be! We've been unlucky in some games and been punished for silly errors in others. I do expect Tyrone to win on Sunday.
Colm Cavanagh and Aidan Cassidy have undoubtedly been positives and should the forwards sharpen up a little (stop dropping the ball into the goal keepers arms) then we can be reasonably positive there aswel. I'm also happy to see some of the younger lads into the squad.
I just feel we're vulnerable at the back. The dip in Harte's performance in particular isn't just a problem from this season. He was badly exposed at the tale end of last season as well. I'm glad to see Jordan back injury free that being said.
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2010, 01:06:51 PM
I agree, Paddy Andrews omission is a strange one but there will always be one or two players supporters will argue could and should be in the team. The bottom line is forwards and the ability to put up scores hasn't been Dublin's biggest failing over the past few years and isn't the problem now. Midfield is a serious worry but Magee isn't the solution, so you could drop McConnell or Fennell for him but that is simply moving the deck chairs around rather than Gilroy ignoring an obvious solution to their midfield problems.
IMO you've been consistently over critical of Gilroy and Dublin supporters, in general, have been overly negative about a management that have won a Leinster title and are one win away from making a league final (dependent on results elsewhere). And this league performance was achieved without players like Cullen, A. Brogan, Bastick, Keaney, Jayo, the O'Carroll brothers (at times), Griffin and probably one or two more I'm forgetting. It seems to me that the only way Gilroy will get a bit of credit is if Dublin win games by scoring 2-20 and concede 0-3.
Zulu we were humiliated in Croke Park last year. Humiliated. How could you say that is over-critical? A leinster title these days is a non-entity because of the paucity of quality in the province. just look at the NFL tables. League titles don't lie. leinster is the poor relation at present.
Picking a guy who can catch is hardly a retrograde step Zulu. The fundamentals of the game haven't changed you know. John Coughlan outplayed Mc Connell in last year's SFC and he had to go to Offaly to find county football. We find Mc auley and bench him. We get rid of 2 allstars. Midfield problems are all of the selectors making I'm afraid.
But i don't think thats a great Tyrone selection on paper so we may be reasonably competitive on Sunday with an outside chance of winning.
Had this game pencilled in to go to but a club hurling game has put paid to that. Really wanted to give Healy Park a 2nd chance after the not so nice experience last time....... the year BEFORE the "Battle of Omagh". Was curious to see whether it was really the sylvan/ corinthian bastion as some Tyrone posters seem to think it is.
While not as pessimistic as others I think that this game will be decided by the team who scores the first goal....... to me Tyrone have the greater firepower.
Any Tyrone lad at the game will no doubt laugh at our complete inability to catch a ball in the midfield.
Also think Cork will beat Mayo.
Dublin were hammered by Tyrone under Pillar as well though, so the players have to take a lot of responsibility because they are the only constant variable. Magee won't cut it in CP so playing him doesn't solve anything, Coughlan isn't a great footballer so having him on the panel wouldn't solve the problem. I've already said I'd have McAuley in midfield this Sunday but I think Dublin will need to look at a tatctical solution for the problem rather than the personnel as they simply don't have two IC midfielders.
I also agree that he handled Shane Ryan poorly last year but I agreed with his policy of not starting Whelan, anyway both were coiming to the end and Ryan did himself no favours by turning up badly out of shape at the start of last year.
I'm not saying that I agree with everything Gilroy is doing but I do think he is getting on with a pretty tough job in a fairly decent manner. You might say winning Leinsters is not that important but he can only win the competitions Dublin play in and he has done pretty well on that score. More importantly he is doing alright so far this year IMO and if they avoid Cork/Kerry in the QF a semi final berth is not beyond Dublin.
Tell the truth Canalman,you're too scared to come up ;)
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2010, 02:09:59 PM
Dublin were hammered by Tyrone under Pillar as well though, so the players have to take a lot of responsibility because they are the only constant variable. Magee won't cut it in CP so playing him doesn't solve anything, Coughlan isn't a great footballer so having him on the panel wouldn't solve the problem. I've already said I'd have McAuley in midfield this Sunday but I think Dublin will need to look at a tatctical solution for the problem rather than the personnel as they simply don't have two IC midfielders.
I also agree that he handled Shane Ryan poorly last year but I agreed with his policy of not starting Whelan, anyway both were coiming to the end and Ryan did himself no favours by turning up badly out of shape at the start of last year.
I'm not saying that I agree with everything Gilroy is doing but I do think he is getting on with a pretty tough job in a fairly decent manner. You might say winning Leinsters is not that important but he can only win the competitions Dublin play in and he has done pretty well on that score. More importantly he is doing alright so far this year IMO and if they avoid Cork/Kerry in the QF a semi final berth is not beyond Dublin.
I see where you're coming from Zulu in terms of us being over-critical, but all we're asking for is to make the best of whats available.
His treatment of Whelan & Ryan is baffling. Likewise Andrews.
McCauley dropped.
Great chance to make a league final and give some of the new players experience of playing in Croke Park against a top class team and that team is picked.
One of the best man markers in the county who is naturally light framed being given 6/7 weeks to put on two stone.
QuoteOne of the best man markers in the county who is naturally light framed being given 6/7 weeks to put on two stone.
Didn't hear about that, who are we talking about?
Quotebut all we're asking for is to make the best of whats available.
I don't know heffo, 8 points, possibly 10 in division 1 isn't a bad haul is it? I agree with you about Andrews and Ryan but there was never a manager who pleased everyone, I mean who would Andrews replace? I'd certainly like to see more of him but maybe Gilroy feels he'll have the two Brogans, Keaney (Jayo maybe?) to score and wants a different type of forward to complement them.
QuoteGreat chance to make a league final and give some of the new players experience of playing in Croke Park against a top class team and that team is picked.
In fairness I'd imagine Brogan and Keaney wouldn't be up to the mark yet so he has picked a pretty decent team based on the league so far. He may also be concerned about the hype that might follow a league win I don't know. But the one thing I would say is that if Dublin go to Tyrone and put in a good performance then but he and the players would have to be happy with the league. If they win and Mayo lose they'll have a league final to look forward to, though I'd be a bit concerned about what Cork might do to Dublin in CP, especially with Brogan and Keaney just coming back. I wonder does he have that in the back of his mind? I mean the league campaign would be almost worthless if teh got to a league final and took a bit of a trimming. Maybe he wants to aviod that so they can look to the championship in a positive frame of mind and hope to be better able to handle the likes of Cork in August.
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2010, 06:16:32 PM
QuoteOne of the best man markers in the county who is naturally light framed being given 6/7 weeks to put on two stone.
Didn't hear about that, who are we talking about?
Quotebut all we're asking for is to make the best of whats available.
I don't know heffo, 8 points, possibly 10 in division 1 isn't a bad haul is it? I agree with you about Andrews and Ryan but there was never a manager who pleased everyone, I mean who would Andrews replace? I'd certainly like to see more of him but maybe Gilroy feels he'll have the two Brogans, Keaney (Jayo maybe?) to score and wants a different type of forward to complement them.
QuoteGreat chance to make a league final and give some of the new players experience of playing in Croke Park against a top class team and that team is picked.
In fairness I'd imagine Brogan and Keaney wouldn't be up to the mark yet so he has picked a pretty decent team based on the league so far. He may also be concerned about the hype that might follow a league win I don't know. But the one thing I would say is that if Dublin go to Tyrone and put in a good performance then but he and the players would have to be happy with the league. If they win and Mayo lose they'll have a league final to look forward to, though I'd be a bit concerned about what Cork might do to Dublin in CP, especially with Brogan and Keaney just coming back. I wonder does he have that in the back of his mind? I mean the league campaign would be almost worthless if teh got to a league final and took a bit of a trimming. Maybe he wants to aviod that so they can look to the championship in a positive frame of mind and hope to be better able to handle the likes of Cork in August.
I agree with you to an extent, I still feel he should've made far more of an effort with Whelan & Ryan - neither were sulking about the place about their role (though both were privately unhappy) and we're now faced with the situation where our strongest sector is now our weakest.
I was referring to Stephen O'Shaughnessy about the weight issue.
Ah right I actually heard something about that alright but I couldn't remember. While I wouldn't agree with telling anyone to put on weight that quickly he probably could do with some bulking up for county football.
As for ryan and Whelan, well as i said Shane came back with a good bit of extra weight so he may have given himself a bit too much to do and I personally agreed with the policy of giving Whelan less game time. I would agree though that he made a balls of the Ryan situation (who I'd have center back) but I think Gilroy gets hammered far more than he deserves. The bottom line here is that anyone would be doing well to get 10 league points with the current Dublin sqaud, they'll probably win Leinster again and if they avoid the losers of Cork/Kerry they have noone to fear until the semi final stage. I'd do some things differently but I can't criticize a manager who is trying to sort out a lot of problems and is getting quite a few things right (wins in Kerry and Mayo for example).
Quote from: Zulu on April 09, 2010, 06:36:02 PM
Ah right I actually heard something about that alright but I couldn't remember. While I wouldn't agree with telling anyone to put on weight that quickly he probably could do with some bulking up for county football.
As for ryan and Whelan, well as i said Shane came back with a good bit of extra weight so he may have given himself a bit too much to do and I personally agreed with the policy of giving Whelan less game time. I would agree though that he made a balls of the Ryan situation (who I'd have center back) but I think Gilroy gets hammered far more than he deserves. The bottom line here is that anyone would be doing well to get 10 league points with the current Dublin sqaud, they'll probably win Leinster again and if they avoid the losers of Cork/Kerry they have noone to fear until the semi final stage. I'd do some things differently but I can't criticize a manager who is trying to sort out a lot of problems and is getting quite a few things right (wins in Kerry and Mayo for example).
Zulu SOS is 5ft 8 and already weighs over 12 stone. Now in my view in terms of power to weight ratio I'd be looking for power increases rather than weight. We're not playing rugby. That really concerns me when I consider how experienced some of the management are supposed to be in sports science.
Really concerns me.
FFS, just what I didn't want to read (from Noel Mc Ginn, in Teamtalk):
The present Dublin team are very much a work in progress and in fact do have Tyrone connections. They have among their management team Tyrone man Michael Kennedy from Glenelly. Michael has been resident in the capital city for a number of years and has a property development business in the north side of Dublin. He has been very active in GAA matters with St. Vincent's and played a key role in the club's great run in the club championship back in 07/08. No doubt Michael and the whole Dublin contingent will receive a good welcome from all Tyrone fans on Sunday.
Now I have to dilute my antipathy somewhat, and definitely no riot this time! :D
Another clinker of a day today. This weather will help instill a championship atmosphere for a packed Healy Park. Hope Tyrone can produce some championship form to reciprocate.
Shorts and sunglasses? :P
televised.
A fair few dublin cars about today. Suncream could be in order today
Anyone else having trouble accessing setanta i?
Cant get nothing to work.
That was about a yard wide. :D
I'm sure Mickey Harte will be apocalyptic at that standard of umpiring
Setanta i saying it has problem with player! Alot of good that is after forking over 20 dollars for it.
Can I just say that Curran was trying to be smart with his kickouts and picking his man and all that new age rubbish and we conceded 3 straight points.
The last one he beat directly down the middle, Harte won the breaking ball and Curran hasnt kicked a kickout since. I don't understand the mentality that means he has to try and be smart with kickouts.
Dublin are taking blanket defence football to new levels. Bernard Brogan is leading the Tyrone defence a merry dance, I think Gormleys days as a top class county defender are numbered.
The point that Tyrone were given which was about 2 yards wide was the worst piece of officiating seen in a long time.
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That one wasn't wide lol great finish
2-10 to 0-7 already....
this is magic from Dublin. Glad to say I got it arseways. tyrone are finished as a force.
Whats the longest time the ref has went without blowing his whistle? Absolute whore so he is. What was the free count for that match?
Quote from: trileacman on April 11, 2010, 03:13:23 PM
Whats the longest time the ref has went without blowing his whistle? Absolute whore so he is. What was the free count for that match?
Has nothing to do with tackling. Your backline couldn't tackle themselves out of a Tayto crisp bag.
Jaysus. Great stuff from the Dubs. Its only half time though. We've lost from similar positions more than once.
Ref is very annoying alright. Not helped by stupid players not closing their fists when handpassing.
Time to send Red Sean and Cathal McCarron in there. I said at that the start of the league that Conor Gormelys days were numbered at this level. Felloe countymen said that, no. that his superb reading of the game would alleviate this...BALLS >:(
yep typical dublin - devons loch here we come!
goal and a point first minute of the second half!
Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
IT won't save the post. Tyrone aren't going to contend this year( neither are we). The aura is gone. Cork and kerry are a different level now.
Briilliant point by cavanagh snr. 4 in it.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: trileacman on April 11, 2010, 03:13:23 PM
Whats the longest time the ref has went without blowing his whistle? Absolute whore so he is. What was the free count for that match?
Has nothing to do with tackling. Your backline couldn't tackle themselves out of a Tayto crisp bag.
Jesus who spat in your coffee? Where did I say it was to do with tackling.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
How has Gormley done on Brogan??
Once again...Colm Cavanagh looking totally lost and ineffective stuck in on the full forward line
Bernard Brogan has done all the damage initially marked by Dermot Carlin then Gormley who has done slightly better but still struggled. Brogan has improved greatly with pace strength and two feet.
Jaysus Fking ctrist... how many times can we give the fucccking thing away,,,some of it has been shocking :o
Conor Gormley getting the run around, a bit sad, he has lost his legs but he can do nothing about the ball coming in unopposed...........
This has been coming for the last 18 months, they are gona struggle against quality inside forwards, i.e both brogans, cooper, bradleys etc. I said earlier in the week that bernard brogan is the best forward in ireland and he is certainly doing it today.
Mickey has finally taken davy off, but after the horse has bolted...too late and sean o'neill's penetration was required much earlier.
The funny thing is that tyrone have had plenty of territory this half, all that was required was calm heads and a bit of composure. With the early goal, it was retrieveable with points but they were insistent on an extra pass each time
the game is now gone
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
IT won't save the post. Tyrone aren't going to contend this year( neither are we). The aura is gone. Cork and kerry are a different level now.
You might well be right Indiana but I recall very similar talk in 2008. In fact I seem to remember Dublin were going to bury this Tyrone in the AI quarter final of that year. Im not going to write off the team just yet.
Who got the Tyrone goal?
foul on Penrose............given the other way..............shocking f**king decision :o
The referee is very poor, someone made a point earlier in the week that the GAA needed dublin in the final and derek fahy would be doing his upmost to facilitate.
Mickey has brought his position into disrepute by continuously picking curran
Peter Harte and Sean Cavanagh the only bright sparks, Harte is very assured and evasive in the tackle
Penrose dived and was rightly penalised. The aimless high balls to Tyrone's answer to Kieran Donaghy Colm Cavangh were greatly effective!
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
IT won't save the post. Tyrone aren't going to contend this year( neither are we). The aura is gone. Cork and kerry are a different level now.
You might well be right Indiana but I recall very similar talk in 2008. In fact I seem to remember Dublin were going to bury this Tyrone in the AI quarter final of that year. Im not going to write off the team just yet.
Youve no young forwards coming through. The defence is all at sea. Period of consolidation beckons for Tyrone. That team is done and dusted. Been a fabulous football team but bar SON and one or two others that team is done. Had a great innings though.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 04:04:22 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:58:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
IT won't save the post. Tyrone aren't going to contend this year( neither are we). The aura is gone. Cork and kerry are a different level now.
You might well be right Indiana but I recall very similar talk in 2008. In fact I seem to remember Dublin were going to bury this Tyrone in the AI quarter final of that year. Im not going to write off the team just yet.
Youve no young forwards coming through. The defence is all at sea. Period of consolidation beckons for Tyrone. That team is done and dusted. Been a fabulous football team but bar SON and one or two others that team is done. Had a great innings though.
you wish! wait til you see us in croke park !
Unreal how many times Tyrone ran the ball into Cul-de-sacs, and into blind alleys, didnt seem to be anyone able to kick a point from outside of 30 yards?
Jesus Indiana, it didnt look good from Tyrone alright but I wouldnt start talking like that just yet.
The only positive I can draw from this match is that Healy Park is kyrponite to Tyrone and hopefully we can get out of it during the championship.
Can anyone tell me who got the Tyrone goal?
Quote from: thejuice on April 11, 2010, 04:10:45 PM
Jesus Indiana, it didnt look good from Tyrone alright but I wouldnt start talking like that just yet.
No new players Juice. Hard to believe with tyrone's underage system. Expecting too much for all the older lads to hang on. Some will but some definitely won't after that. Believe me a lot of people in dublin thought the 70's would never end until the 79 all-ireland final hockeying.
SOn's abscence is frightening. Where is the next Stevie in Tyrone? Either mH doesn't play them or they don't exist. Hard to believe.
Quote from: hardstation on April 11, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: downtown on April 11, 2010, 04:17:02 PM
Can anyone tell me who got the Tyrone goal?
Penrose kicked it and as it was going in the net Colm Cavanagh ran in and stole the goal.
own goal lads.hit conlon on the way in.
cheers
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 11, 2010, 04:00:51 PM
The referee is very poor, someone made a point earlier in the week that the GAA needed dublin in the final and derek fahy would be doing his upmost to facilitate.
Mickey has brought his position into disrepute by continuously picking curran
Peter Harte and Sean Cavanagh the only bright sparks, Harte is very assured and evasive in the tackle
ah come on ,the ref wasnt great for either team,yiz met a dublin team that on the day blew yiz out of the water.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 11, 2010, 04:10:45 PM
Jesus Indiana, it didnt look good from Tyrone alright but I wouldnt start talking like that just yet.
No new players Juice. Hard to believe with tyrone's underage system. Expecting too much for all the older lads to hang on. Some will but some definitely won't after that. Believe me a lot of people in dublin thought the 70's would never end until the 79 all-ireland final hockeying.
SOn's abscence is frightening. Where is the next Stevie in Tyrone? Either mH doesn't play them or they don't exist. Hard to believe.
No new players??? Coney, Harte, McKenna, Cavanagh (the ugly one), are 4 relatively new players that have taken well to Senior football - Penrose missed a few today that he would normally take with ease. Jordan has come back well. Cassidy and red Sean. we have 3 pretty good keepers - even today. Sean Cavanagh is back, Steve o'neill to come back - the two mcmahons...1 and 1/2 mcGuigans...Mulligan will be about at some point. davey Harte is entitled to have the occasional bad game. And there are plenty of young lads coming through the system but there is only a 20% chance of any minor player pushing his way through to ANY senior panel, so we have to be patient.
hartes selection process was victim to his own success - how can you bleed in young players when up to 2008 the current crop had never let you down. It was only last year that Tyrone were undone by Cork and possibly Kildare and in the first chance he had, the mcKenna cup, Harte brought in new players.
Harte has an excellent track record and i have a good feeling that Tyrone can repeat 2008 this year....I am not despondant about the NFL campaign at all, in the same way that i was never elated when we got to a final or won it...Division 2 might offer the chance to make a 'new' team....
Ulster - Down
Leinster - Dublin
Munster - Cork,
Connaught - Galway
All- I - Tyrone...you read it here first!
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on April 11, 2010, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 11, 2010, 04:10:45 PM
Jesus Indiana, it didnt look good from Tyrone alright but I wouldnt start talking like that just yet.
No new players Juice. Hard to believe with tyrone's underage system. Expecting too much for all the older lads to hang on. Some will but some definitely won't after that. Believe me a lot of people in dublin thought the 70's would never end until the 79 all-ireland final hockeying.
SOn's abscence is frightening. Where is the next Stevie in Tyrone? Either mH doesn't play them or they don't exist. Hard to believe.
No new players??? Coney, Harte, McKenna, Cavanagh (the ugly one), are 4 relatively new players that have taken well to Senior football - Penrose missed a few today that he would normally take with ease. Jordan has come back well. Cassidy and red Sean. we have 3 pretty good keepers - even today. Sean Cavanagh is back, Steve o'neill to come back - the two mcmahons...1 and 1/2 mcGuigans...Mulligan will be about at some point. davey Harte is entitled to have the occasional bad game. And there are plenty of young lads coming through the system but there is only a 20% chance of any minor player pushing his way through to ANY senior panel, so we have to be patient.
hartes selection process was victim to his own success - how can you bleed in young players when up to 2008 the current crop had never let you down. It was only last year that Tyrone were undone by Cork and possibly Kildare and in the first chance he had, the mcKenna cup, Harte brought in new players.
Harte has an excellent track record and i have a good feeling that Tyrone can repeat 2008 this year....I am not despondant about the NFL campaign at all, in the same way that i was never elated when we got to a final or won it...Division 2 might offer the chance to make a 'new' team....
Ulster - Down
Leinster - Dublin
Munster - Cork,
Connaught - Galway
All- I - Tyrone...you read it here first!
Why do you say 'Cavanagh-the ugly one' Do you fancy Sean? :o
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on April 11, 2010, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 11, 2010, 04:10:45 PM
Jesus Indiana, it didnt look good from Tyrone alright but I wouldnt start talking like that just yet.
No new players Juice. Hard to believe with tyrone's underage system. Expecting too much for all the older lads to hang on. Some will but some definitely won't after that. Believe me a lot of people in dublin thought the 70's would never end until the 79 all-ireland final hockeying.
SOn's abscence is frightening. Where is the next Stevie in Tyrone? Either mH doesn't play them or they don't exist. Hard to believe.
No new players??? Coney, Harte, McKenna, Cavanagh (the ugly one), are 4 relatively new players that have taken well to Senior football - Penrose missed a few today that he would normally take with ease. Jordan has come back well. Cassidy and red Sean. we have 3 pretty good keepers - even today. Sean Cavanagh is back, Steve o'neill to come back - the two mcmahons...1 and 1/2 mcGuigans...Mulligan will be about at some point. davey Harte is entitled to have the occasional bad game. And there are plenty of young lads coming through the system but there is only a 20% chance of any minor player pushing his way through to ANY senior panel, so we have to be patient.
hartes selection process was victim to his own success - how can you bleed in young players when up to 2008 the current crop had never let you down. It was only last year that Tyrone were undone by Cork and possibly Kildare and in the first chance he had, the mcKenna cup, Harte brought in new players.
Harte has an excellent track record and i have a good feeling that Tyrone can repeat 2008 this year....I am not despondant about the NFL campaign at all, in the same way that i was never elated when we got to a final or won it...Division 2 might offer the chance to make a 'new' team....
Ulster - Down
Leinster - Dublin
Munster - Cork,
Connaught - Galway
All- I - Tyrone...you read it here first!
You have precious little chance of winning Sam this year -. Sorry.
Coney is the only young forward of any note and his shot selection at times has its youthful exuberance -ie shoot on sight. But that will improve as he gets older.
Penrose is a very good player but not a marquee player
Sean O Neill is great going one way- forward- defensively suspect though.
Colm Cavanagh is a good player but again not marquee
Yes you have Sean Cavanagh, Stevie and the 2 Mc Mahons but the older lads are areally struggling. They aren't racehorses you know. only so many times you can go to the well. For any player. Not sure about Mugsy- philip jordan as well maybe.
Cork and Kerry- forget the rest.
Sad to see us go down, I don't think we're as bad as INDIANA is making out. See 07/08 leagues when we were just as bad and had a bit more luck to stay up by the skin of our teeth. We missed a lot of real handy scores today and the defence was at sea but all factors that can be worked on with the players to return.
Can't see us going all the way this year but a QF/SF may not be a far stretch. Apart from young Harte none of the minors have held their hands up as senior footballers. Kyle Coney seems to be trying too hard to make things happen or getting rushes of blood to the head and making silly mistakes but given time should step up to the mark. I hate to say it but I really think B Mc Guigan has lost his 'x-factor.' His vision was his ace and this, for obvious reasons, has been diluted. His pace has gone, lost a race for possession with Mc Mahon (i think) even though he'd a three yard head start over 20 yards.
On the plus side, hub done well when he came on and won a lot of ball and added physicality to the MF which was being annihilated by Fennell (what a lump of a lad!) Still can't fathom why we were trying so hard to get a second goal in the 1st 10 mins of second half. You'd swear it was the last ten, I don't know whether they were instructed to go for goal but dropped four clear points by trying to work the ball into the square!
Anyway going down to div 2 is not the end of the world but not ideal. At least we'll be in some new grounds and towns which will be a bit of a novelty.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 11, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
Sad to see us go down, I don't think we're as bad as INDIANA is making out. See 07/08 leagues when we were just as bad and had a bit more luck to stay up by the skin of our teeth. We missed a lot of real handy scores today and the defence was at sea but all factors that can be worked on with the players to return.
Can't see us going all the way this year but a QF/SF may not be a far stretch. Apart from young Harte none of the minors have held their hands up as senior footballers. Kyle Coney seems to be trying too hard to make things happen or getting rushes of blood to the head and making silly mistakes but given time should step up to the mark. I hate to say it but I really think B Mc Guigan has lost his 'x-factor.' His vision was his ace and this, for obvious reasons, has been diluted. His pace has gone, lost a race for possession with Mc Mahon (i think) even though he'd a three yard head start over 20 yards.
On the plus side, hub done well when he came on and won a lot of ball and added physicality to the MF which was being annihilated by Fennell (what a lump of a lad!) Still can't fathom why we were trying so hard to get a second goal in the 1st 10 mins of second half. You'd swear it was the last ten, I don't know whether they were instructed to go for goal but dropped four clear points by trying to work the ball into the square!
Anyway going down to div 2 is not the end of the world but not ideal. At least we'll be in some new grounds and towns which will be a bit of a novelty.
completely agree - do fancy us to be playing in september
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 11, 2010, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: NaomhBridAbú on April 11, 2010, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 11, 2010, 04:10:45 PM
Jesus Indiana, it didnt look good from Tyrone alright but I wouldnt start talking like that just yet.
No new players Juice. Hard to believe with tyrone's underage system. Expecting too much for all the older lads to hang on. Some will but some definitely won't after that. Believe me a lot of people in dublin thought the 70's would never end until the 79 all-ireland final hockeying.
SOn's abscence is frightening. Where is the next Stevie in Tyrone? Either mH doesn't play them or they don't exist. Hard to believe.
No new players??? Coney, Harte, McKenna, Cavanagh (the ugly one), are 4 relatively new players that have taken well to Senior football - Penrose missed a few today that he would normally take with ease. Jordan has come back well. Cassidy and red Sean. we have 3 pretty good keepers - even today. Sean Cavanagh is back, Steve o'neill to come back - the two mcmahons...1 and 1/2 mcGuigans...Mulligan will be about at some point. davey Harte is entitled to have the occasional bad game. And there are plenty of young lads coming through the system but there is only a 20% chance of any minor player pushing his way through to ANY senior panel, so we have to be patient.
hartes selection process was victim to his own success - how can you bleed in young players when up to 2008 the current crop had never let you down. It was only last year that Tyrone were undone by Cork and possibly Kildare and in the first chance he had, the mcKenna cup, Harte brought in new players.
Harte has an excellent track record and i have a good feeling that Tyrone can repeat 2008 this year....I am not despondant about the NFL campaign at all, in the same way that i was never elated when we got to a final or won it...Division 2 might offer the chance to make a 'new' team....
Ulster - Down
Leinster - Dublin
Munster - Cork,
Connaught - Galway
All- I - Tyrone...you read it here first!
Why do you say 'Cavanagh-the ugly one' Do you fancy Sean? :o
no - just think that Colm has a hint of the Billy-Bobs going on, if you know what i mean?
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 11, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
Sad to see us go down, I don't think we're as bad as INDIANA is making out. See 07/08 leagues when we were just as bad and had a bit more luck to stay up by the skin of our teeth. We missed a lot of real handy scores today and the defence was at sea but all factors that can be worked on with the players to return.
Can't see us going all the way this year but a QF/SF may not be a far stretch. Apart from young Harte none of the minors have held their hands up as senior footballers. Kyle Coney seems to be trying too hard to make things happen or getting rushes of blood to the head and making silly mistakes but given time should step up to the mark. I hate to say it but I really think B Mc Guigan has lost his 'x-factor.' His vision was his ace and this, for obvious reasons, has been diluted. His pace has gone, lost a race for possession with Mc Mahon (i think) even though he'd a three yard head start over 20 yards.
On the plus side, hub done well when he came on and won a lot of ball and added physicality to the MF which was being annihilated by Fennell (what a lump of a lad!) Still can't fathom why we were trying so hard to get a second goal in the 1st 10 mins of second half. You'd swear it was the last ten, I don't know whether they were instructed to go for goal but dropped four clear points by trying to work the ball into the square!
Anyway going down to div 2 is not the end of the world but not ideal. At least we'll be in some new grounds and towns which will be a bit of a novelty.
You'll still make the last 8 and maybe the last 4 but can't see you winning it. Thats all I'm saying. Sure Tyrone fans still believe they can with that personnel. I can't see it I'm afraid. I have never seen that Tyrone team play worse. As good as Dublin played -Tyrone were woeful.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 11, 2010, 05:37:44 PM
Sad to see us go down, I don't think we're as bad as INDIANA is making out. See 07/08 leagues when we were just as bad and had a bit more luck to stay up by the skin of our teeth. We missed a lot of real handy scores today and the defence was at sea but all factors that can be worked on with the players to return.
Can't see us going all the way this year but a QF/SF may not be a far stretch. Apart from young Harte none of the minors have held their hands up as senior footballers. Kyle Coney seems to be trying too hard to make things happen or getting rushes of blood to the head and making silly mistakes but given time should step up to the mark. I hate to say it but I really think B Mc Guigan has lost his 'x-factor.' His vision was his ace and this, for obvious reasons, has been diluted. His pace has gone, lost a race for possession with Mc Mahon (i think) even though he'd a three yard head start over 20 yards.
On the plus side, hub done well when he came on and won a lot of ball and added physicality to the MF which was being annihilated by Fennell (what a lump of a lad!) Still can't fathom why we were trying so hard to get a second goal in the 1st 10 mins of second half. You'd swear it was the last ten, I don't know whether they were instructed to go for goal but dropped four clear points by trying to work the ball into the square!
Anyway going down to div 2 is not the end of the world but not ideal. At least we'll be in some new grounds and towns which will be a bit of a novelty.
You'll still make the last 8 and maybe the last 4 but can't see you winning it. Thats all I'm saying. Sure Tyrone fans still believe they can with that personnel. I can't see it I'm afraid. I have never seen that Tyrone team play worse. As good as Dublin played -Tyrone were woeful.
Fair enough, only way I can see us getting to a final this year if all our main players stay injury free and we get a kind draw a la 08 were each game provided a stronger test and we built up great momentum.
Was impressed with the dubs today, Mc Menamon and Mc Mahon impressed from the lesser known players.
Was anyone down the Gortin side of the pitch in 1st half and seen that eejit dublin fan go onto the pitch and confront the umpire that gave BMcC dodgy point. Wasn't good form from the fan at all! >:(
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
SOn's abscence is frightening. Where is the next Stevie in Tyrone? Either mH doesn't play them or they don't exist. Hard to believe.
Jesus that's a silly comment. ??? While Tyrone were lucky enough to have a player like SON come on the scene as Canavan's career was ending, players like that don't come off a conveyor belt.
If they did sure Cork would still have the Christy Ring mould in use to this day.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 05:35:51 PM
You have precious little chance of winning Sam this year -. Sorry.
Coney is the only young forward of any note and his shot selection at times has its youthful exuberance -ie shoot on sight. But that will improve as he gets older.
Penrose is a very good player but not a marquee player
Sean O Neill is great going one way- forward- defensively suspect though.
Colm Cavanagh is a good player but again not marquee
Yes you have Sean Cavanagh, Stevie and the 2 Mc Mahons but the older lads are areally struggling. They aren't racehorses you know. only so many times you can go to the well. For any player. Not sure about Mugsy- philip jordan as well maybe.
Cork and Kerry- forget the rest.
Marquee? What the feck are you on?
You haven't mentioned Peter Harte, Tyrone's best future player. Not to but the pressure on but future Tyrone great right there ;). Thank christ he's getting his starts now at last.
While Dublin showed their class in the first half, I'd be more worried that it took them 27 minutes to score a 3rd point in the 2nd half. Tyrone went for goals too early and Dublin's 1st half patch seen them through. Once Joe went off, things got shakier at the back. Could MH not see that Dublin were totally exposing Davey from their kick outs.
But Tyrone had a good stab at it in the 2nd, just couldn't make that period of domination show on the score board. Suppose can look forward to the return of the two McMahons, SON, Mulligan, Enda McGinley and Dooher in some capacity, (whether just for his presence) to put them into some sort of championship contention, perhaps not an AI, but with a full compliment today, I'd have fancied a much closer contest.
By the way, that 5th point of Dublin's was wide for sure, had a good angle on it and even the linesman looked perplexed in front of me.
That aside well done to the Dubs who came up for the game. Made the usual racket behind the goals with the usual carrying on but hope you enjoyed the day outside the M50. :P
Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2010, 10:30:16 AM
DUBLIN (SF v Tyrone)
Michael Savage
Paul Conlon
Rory O'Carroll
Ross O'Carroll
Philly McMahon
Denis Bastick
Cian O'Sullivan
Eamon Fennell
Ross McConnell
David Henry
Niall Corkery
Paul Flynn
Alan Hubbard
Kevin McManamon
Bernard Brogan
I'm not going to bother with analysis because there is no point. However if anyone knows the handicap for this game for a Tyrone win could they put it up. This is a better bet then Ruby Walsh on a favourite. I could do with making a few quid.
If you think Mc Auley is the only omission you're codding yourself. Where is Paddy andrews? The best young forward in the county. I could go on. But i won't because I won't get any work done today. What has some of the guys playing on Sunday done to justify their inclusion ahead of him?
Starred for the 21's last year, u21 football captain, spear headed DCU to a Sigerson Cup yet he's not good enough to start in the NFL. Mindboggling.
At least mickey Harte went easy on us. Can't fathom the Tyrone selection at all. Leaves 3/4 of his best players on the bench in a must-win game. Then again I can't really criticise when you see the Dublin selection.
this is Indiana's previous attempt at sports prediction. Lets just Say I wont be burning an effigy of Harte any time soon.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 04:19:23 PM
SOn's abscence is frightening. Where is the next Stevie in Tyrone? Either mH doesn't play them or they don't exist. Hard to believe.
Jesus that's a silly comment. ??? While Tyrone were lucky enough to have a player like SON come on the scene as Canavan's career was ending, players like that don't come off a conveyor belt.
If they did sure Cork would still have the Christy Ring mould in use to this day.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 05:35:51 PM
You have precious little chance of winning Sam this year -. Sorry.
Coney is the only young forward of any note and his shot selection at times has its youthful exuberance -ie shoot on sight. But that will improve as he gets older.
Penrose is a very good player but not a marquee player
Sean O Neill is great going one way- forward- defensively suspect though.
Colm Cavanagh is a good player but again not marquee
Yes you have Sean Cavanagh, Stevie and the 2 Mc Mahons but the older lads are areally struggling. They aren't racehorses you know. only so many times you can go to the well. For any player. Not sure about Mugsy- philip jordan as well maybe.
Cork and Kerry- forget the rest.
Marquee? What the feck are you on?
You haven't mentioned Peter Harte, Tyrone's best future player. Not to but the pressure on but future Tyrone great right there ;). Thank christ he's getting his starts now at last.
While Dublin showed their class in the first half, I'd be more worried that it took them 27 minutes to score a 3rd point in the 2nd half. Tyrone went for goals too early and Dublin's 1st half patch seen them through. Once Joe went off, things got shakier at the back. Could MH not see that Dublin were totally exposing Davey from their kick outs.
But Tyrone had a good stab at it in the 2nd, just couldn't make that period of domination show on the score board. Suppose can look forward to the return of the two McMahons, SON, Mulligan, Enda McGinley and Dooher in some capacity, (whether just for his presence) to put them into some sort of championship contention, perhaps not an AI, but with a full compliment today, I'd have fancied a much closer contest.
By the way, that 5th point of Dublin's was wide for sure, had a good angle on it and even the linesman looked perplexed in front of me.
That aside well done to the Dubs who came up for the game. Made the usual racket behind the goals with the usual carrying on but hope you enjoyed the day outside the M50. :P
Its not really that silly. I can't remember the last time you brought a really good young forward through since the golden generation. Please enlighten me.
Peter Harte is a good player though- played well today. you have to factor in Dublin are a level below the top teams. Something that seems to escape you. If you this this all going to reincarinate itself in the summer you're codding yourself. We're bascially a last 8 team with an outside chance of a semi spot.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 09, 2010, 10:30:16 AM
DUBLIN (SF v Tyrone)
Michael Savage
Paul Conlon
Rory O'Carroll
Ross O'Carroll
Philly McMahon
Denis Bastick
Cian O'Sullivan
Eamon Fennell
Ross McConnell
David Henry
Niall Corkery
Paul Flynn
Alan Hubbard
Kevin McManamon
Bernard Brogan
I'm not going to bother with analysis because there is no point. However if anyone knows the handicap for this game for a Tyrone win could they put it up. This is a better bet then Ruby Walsh on a favourite. I could do with making a few quid.
If you think Mc Auley is the only omission you're codding yourself. Where is Paddy andrews? The best young forward in the county. I could go on. But i won't because I won't get any work done today. What has some of the guys playing on Sunday done to justify their inclusion ahead of him?
Starred for the 21's last year, u21 football captain, spear headed DCU to a Sigerson Cup yet he's not good enough to start in the NFL. Mindboggling.
At least mickey Harte went easy on us. Can't fathom the Tyrone selection at all. Leaves 3/4 of his best players on the bench in a must-win game. Then again I can't really criticise when you see the Dublin selection.
this is Indiana's previous attempt at sports prediction. Lets just Say I wont be burning an effigy of Harte any time soon.
Yep got dublin badly wrong and glad to be wrong but to be fair to me thats the first time I've seen tyrone this year. And I didn't realise how bad you've gone.
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Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
IT won't save the post. Tyrone aren't going to contend this year( neither are we). The aura is gone. Cork and kerry are a different level now.
You might well be right Indiana but I recall very similar talk in 2008. In fact I seem to remember Dublin were going to bury this Tyrone in the AI quarter final of that year. Im not going to write off the team just yet.
Youve no young forwards coming through. The defence is all at sea. Period of consolidation beckons for Tyrone. That team is done and dusted. Been a fabulous football team but bar SON and one or two others that team is done. Had a great innings though.
from my experience of supporting tyrone throughout the years tyrone are fit to take their beatings but also quite capable of building on them.... think "your counting your chickens" there indiana... but sure we'll just have to wait championship to find out!
anyway a bit bewildered about the game....i didn't like seein mcguigan havin a go at cassidy after the pass in the second half when mcguigan didn't get to it time... cassidy done well to release it! i'm just wondering if it is hard for those players who have been playing with each other for years and know each other so well to incorporate and include new blood.... IMO i didn't real feel an essence of a team today... maybe thats just me!
Quote from: maximus on April 11, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
Penrose dived and was rightly penalised. The aimless high balls to Tyrone's answer to Kieran Donaghy Colm Cavangh were greatly effective!
Did he feck dive
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Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 11, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Very poor from Tyrone thus far (and very good one from Dublin) and Divisin 2 is beckoning but really we should have learned by now not to write off Tyrone. Claiming Tyrone are finished as a force and that Gormley is done might leave you looking a bit daft at a later date.
IT won't save the post. Tyrone aren't going to contend this year( neither are we). The aura is gone. Cork and kerry are a different level now.
You might well be right Indiana but I recall very similar talk in 2008. In fact I seem to remember Dublin were going to bury this Tyrone in the AI quarter final of that year. Im not going to write off the team just yet.
Youve no young forwards coming through. The defence is all at sea. Period of consolidation beckons for Tyrone. That team is done and dusted. Been a fabulous football team but bar SON and one or two others that team is done. Had a great innings though.
from my experience of supporting tyrone throughout the years tyrone are fit to take their beatings but also quite capable of building on them.... think "your counting your chickens" there indiana... but sure we'll just have to wait championship to find out!
anyway a bit bewildered about the game....i didn't like seein mcguigan havin a go at cassidy after the pass in the second half when mcguigan didn't get to it time... cassidy done well to release it! i'm just wondering if it is hard for those players who have been playing with each other for years and know each other so well to incorporate and include new blood.... IMO i didn't real feel an essence of a team today... maybe thats just me!
It was an easy pass, and Brain McGuigan is right to have a go :o However someof tyrones play at times was diabolical, and reminded me a bit of Donegal at the end of the 80,s , a million f**king passes with no end product!!
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Quote from: maximus on April 11, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
Penrose dived and was rightly penalised. The aimless high balls to Tyrone's answer to Kieran Donaghy Colm Cavangh were greatly effective!
Did he feck dive
Yes he did.
BALLS HS, did he make it a little dramatic? Possibly. Was he fouled? Absolutely NO f**king DOUBT! What match were u watching?
P.S Whats the Craic? ;D
Quote from: hardstation on April 11, 2010, 06:28:35 PM
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Quote from: maximus on April 11, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
Penrose dived and was rightly penalised. The aimless high balls to Tyrone's answer to Kieran Donaghy Colm Cavangh were greatly effective!
Did he feck dive
Yes he did.
Glad the referee called it, some players in games I've watched (involving nearly all teams in Division 1) I've seen lads throwing themselves around like its pro-wrestling. Any hint of an opponents arm at shoulder height and they throw the legs out like they've been clotheslined.
Such dramatic kicking of the legs into the air didn't exactly help his cause whether he was fouled or not maybe the referee seen this and felt he dived. It looked to me like there was limited contact certainly not enough to provoke such an exaggerated fall!
I only saw the secong half. From what I saw , I thought Sean Cavanagh looked very off the pace, and Colm Cavanagh is ineffective inside the 14 yrd line! Brian McGuigan is struggling for sure, but I wouldnt be too worried about him quite yet. Conor Gormley continues to struggle , as does Mcmenemin and Nephew (not the ginger one) ;D. Middle of the field will be ok, never really been a factor on any of the successful Tyrone teams. On a maturity (readiness) level, Peter Harte is the only minor ready to step in. We will need a full deck of cards to draw from this summer, if we are going to factor.
The most disorganised and error strewn performance I have had the displeasure to witness from a Tyrone team in many's a year. More turnovers than a bakery. Passing and decision making awful. Some of the current personnel just not up to it any more. How the lesser nephew stayed on as long as he did defies logic. Why Gormley is still being used on the opposition's best forward is beyond me. Fair enough, may still be place for him as sweeper but not as man marker. The younger Cavanagh not good enough whilst Coney did some amazingly brainless things too.
Quote from: To whom it may concern on April 11, 2010, 04:00:51 PM
The referee is very poor, someone made a point earlier in the week that the GAA needed dublin in the final and derek fahy would be doing his upmost to facilitate.
Mickey has brought his position into disrepute by continuously picking curran
Peter Harte and Sean Cavanagh the only bright sparks, Harte is very assured and evasive in the tackle
to be fair curran was excellent today
Would be remiss of me not to give Dublin some credit. Played really well today. Defence looks solid and we didn't have to resort to the previous ridiculous tactics of 13 men back. When Baz and Alan came on with Mc Auley we got to see our full whack.
Thought Mc Mahon and O Carroll were outstanding. Fennell played his best game for us and Bernard was brilliant. Could be an all-time great in time. He is an absolute genius.
Alan and Bernard up front is a mouth watering prospect and Mc menamon compliments them well. He is good at what Bernard isn't and I like his attitude in terms of ball winning and taking on men.
Flynn played very well too and Henry had his best game too date. Corkery had a decent outing and surprsied me. Just never would have seen him do that at county level- but its only one game.
Negatives-
Tyrone were diabolical. Atrocious really. Drawing board stuff for MH I'm afraid.
Hughes beat us at midfield in the 2nd half
Took 20 mins to score in the 2nd half
Still a good day all round for Dublin but still very disappointed not to make the league final. Would have been good for us.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 07:29:40 PM
Would be remiss of me not to give Dublin some credit. Played really well today. Defence looks solid and we didn't have to resort to the previous ridiculous tactics of 13 men back. When Baz and Alan came on with Mc Auley we got to see our full whack.
Thought Mc Mahon and O Carroll were outstanding. Fennell played his best game for us and Bernard was brilliant. Could be an all-time great in time. He is an absolute genius.
Alan and Bernard up front is a mouth watering prospect and Mc menamon compliments them well. He is good at what Bernard isn't and I like his attitude in terms of ball winning and taking on men.
Flynn played very well too and Henry had his best game too date. Corkery had a decent outing and surprsied me. Just never would have seen him do that at county level- but its only one game.
Negatives-
Tyrone were diabolical. Atrocious really. Drawing board stuff for MH I'm afraid.
Hughes beat us at midfield in the 2nd half
Took 20 mins to score in the 2nd half
Still a good day all round for Dublin but still very disappointed not to make the league final. Would have been good for us.
I'm not saying you're off the mark, maybe a bit over zealous, but what does that say for Dublin in the second half? That was a very good Dublin team but Tyrone dominated for vast periods in the 2nd, just had nothing to show for it. Tyrone's weak defence were largely able to either force errors or win frees for most of the 2nd half as well.
Enjoying your cute hoorism talking down Dulbin's prospects. Can we expect less expectant hype coming from the capital this summer?
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on April 11, 2010, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 07:29:40 PM
Would be remiss of me not to give Dublin some credit. Played really well today. Defence looks solid and we didn't have to resort to the previous ridiculous tactics of 13 men back. When Baz and Alan came on with Mc Auley we got to see our full whack.
Thought Mc Mahon and O Carroll were outstanding. Fennell played his best game for us and Bernard was brilliant. Could be an all-time great in time. He is an absolute genius.
Alan and Bernard up front is a mouth watering prospect and Mc menamon compliments them well. He is good at what Bernard isn't and I like his attitude in terms of ball winning and taking on men.
Flynn played very well too and Henry had his best game too date. Corkery had a decent outing and surprsied me. Just never would have seen him do that at county level- but its only one game.
Negatives-
Tyrone were diabolical. Atrocious really. Drawing board stuff for MH I'm afraid.
Hughes beat us at midfield in the 2nd half
Took 20 mins to score in the 2nd half
Still a good day all round for Dublin but still very disappointed not to make the league final. Would have been good for us.
I'm not saying you're off the mark, maybe a bit over zealous, but what does that say for Dublin in the second half? That was a very good Dublin team but Tyrone dominated for vast periods in the 2nd, just had nothing to show for it. Tyrone's weak defence were largely able to either force errors or win frees for most of the 2nd half as well.
Enjoying your cute hoorism talking down Dulbin's prospects. Can we expect less expectant hype coming from the capital this summer?
This is a dublin team beaten by kerry by 18 points last year. Some of us are sensible enough to know where we stand in the pecking order. ie 2nd tied side.
A level Tyrone are now at.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 07:29:40 PM
Would be remiss of me not to give Dublin some credit. Played really well today. Defence looks solid and we didn't have to resort to the previous ridiculous tactics of 13 men back. When Baz and Alan came on with Mc Auley we got to see our full whack.
Thought Mc Mahon and O Carroll were outstanding. Fennell played his best game for us and Bernard was brilliant. Could be an all-time great in time. He is an absolute genius.
Alan and Bernard up front is a mouth watering prospect and Mc menamon compliments them well. He is good at what Bernard isn't and I like his attitude in terms of ball winning and taking on men.
Flynn played very well too and Henry had his best game too date. Corkery had a decent outing and surprsied me. Just never would have seen him do that at county level- but its only one game.
Negatives-
Tyrone were diabolical. Atrocious really. Drawing board stuff for MH I'm afraid.
Hughes beat us at midfield in the 2nd half
Took 20 mins to score in the 2nd half
Still a good day all round for Dublin but still very disappointed not to make the league final. Would have been good for us.
I'm not saying you're off the mark, maybe a bit over zealous, but what does that say for Dublin in the second half? That was a very good Dublin team but Tyrone dominated for vast periods in the 2nd, just had nothing to show for it. Tyrone's weak defence were largely able to either force errors or win frees for most of the 2nd half as well.
Enjoying your cute hoorism talking down Dulbin's prospects. Can we expect less expectant hype coming from the capital this summer?
This is a dublin team beaten by kerry by 18 points last year. Some of us are sensible enough to know where we stand in the pecking order. ie 2nd tied side.
A level Tyrone are now at.
you are going to be dissappointed again this year...
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 07:29:40 PM
Would be remiss of me not to give Dublin some credit. Played really well today. Defence looks solid and we didn't have to resort to the previous ridiculous tactics of 13 men back. When Baz and Alan came on with Mc Auley we got to see our full whack.
Thought Mc Mahon and O Carroll were outstanding. Fennell played his best game for us and Bernard was brilliant. Could be an all-time great in time. He is an absolute genius.
Alan and Bernard up front is a mouth watering prospect and Mc menamon compliments them well. He is good at what Bernard isn't and I like his attitude in terms of ball winning and taking on men.
Flynn played very well too and Henry had his best game too date. Corkery had a decent outing and surprsied me. Just never would have seen him do that at county level- but its only one game.
Negatives-
Tyrone were diabolical. Atrocious really. Drawing board stuff for MH I'm afraid.
Hughes beat us at midfield in the 2nd half
Took 20 mins to score in the 2nd half
Still a good day all round for Dublin but still very disappointed not to make the league final. Would have been good for us.
I'm not saying you're off the mark, maybe a bit over zealous, but what does that say for Dublin in the second half? That was a very good Dublin team but Tyrone dominated for vast periods in the 2nd, just had nothing to show for it. Tyrone's weak defence were largely able to either force errors or win frees for most of the 2nd half as well.
Enjoying your cute hoorism talking down Dulbin's prospects. Can we expect less expectant hype coming from the capital this summer?
This is a dublin team beaten by kerry by 18 points last year. Some of us are sensible enough to know where we stand in the pecking order. ie 2nd tied side.
A level Tyrone are now at.
you are going to be dissappointed again this year...
hopefully not we should make the last 8 thats our expectation this season. Anything after that is a bonus.
If Tyrone had only been beaten by 3 would they have stayed up or would Mayo's head win have seen them through anyway?
Should have known the ref would make me eat my words, woeful!
Dublin fully deserved their win today at Omagh. Tyrone had a great second half, with Kevin Hughes making a huge difference when he came on. However the damage was done in the first half. Tyrone just didn't seem to be up for the game today and Dublin were looking for the win a lot more than us. Surprisingly really, as we needed the win a lot than they did.
Doesn't fill me with a lot of hope for summer football, but I won't lose heart just yet. Tyrone have a tenancy to come back when we least expect it. With SoN to return and possibility Dooher, there's hope yet.
Must also say, Peter Harte is a gutsy wee footballer and showed a lot of fight, right up to the final whistle.
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Must also say, Peter Harte is a gutsy wee footballer and showed a lot of fight, right up to the final whistle.
It's known as the Errigal factor, which rapidly diminishes the further east you go within the county. In the Moy the factor is zero.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 11, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
Yep got dublin badly wrong and glad to be wrong but to be fair to me thats the first time I've seen tyrone this year. And I didn't realise how bad you've gone.
And as mentioned earlier I believe you were also amongst those who predicted Tyrone had no chance in 2008 before the Red Hands hammered the Dubs. You might well be right about the current Tyrone team but I wouldnt be overly hasty on judging them on a particularly poor performance today. Tyrone still managed to defeat both Cork and Kerry in the league and suffered for losing a couple of games by the narrowest of margins. The season now depends on getting the key men fit and how the mood is in the panel. If it comes together Tyrone will still take some beating. Only time will tell if that happens.
Thought today left more questions than answers. Cass and Colm were cleaned out in MF, only Hub stood up and was counted in there.
Either Sean or Cass should have stayed in at FF. Too often we Ended up turning back on ourselves as there was noone to hit ball into. SON will rectify that.
Pete did very well and, like Coney, will be a star for Tyrone in the future.
Gilroy had the tactics sorted in first half. Systematic fouling in rotation, persistent blocking runs off the ball and then take lads off when they collect the tick after their yellow. Derry 2006 springs to mind.
As has been said already Ryrone were way to keen to get a second goal instead of keeping the scoreboard ticking over. If they had drawn level Dubs would have collapsed.
Thought Curren did well.
Have to agree with Indiana on this one. Based upon today nad the league just gone, this is a tyrone side very much in transition.
The reality is that with 10 minutes left in a tight championship game ( bar SON ) there is no go to guy, with not only the football ability but guile as well.
Tyrone are now in that second tier.
There seems to be an awful lot of confusion and running up blind alleys ( if you hadnt seen Tyrone over the last 8 years you could almost be excused for thinking there no game plan).
Quote from: tyroneman on April 11, 2010, 09:05:54 PM
Systematic fouling in rotation, persistent blocking runs off the ball and then take lads off when they collect the tick after their yellow.
Enough about Tyrone 2003-9.
Dubs were good today, B Brogan up front was top class again.
Pity Cork threw the game down there as a league final would've been better preparation than a game v Wexford.
Bernard brogan scored 6 points from play in the first 15 minutes. It also appearred he was not at full pelt either.
That Tyrone side of a few years ago would simply not allowed that to happen. Corrective action would have been taken further out the field to prevernt ( or at the very least severly curtail) the quality of the ball coming in.
Its quite scary at the minute how out of sorts Tyrone are
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Quote from: tyroneman on April 11, 2010, 09:05:54 PM
Systematic fouling in rotation, persistent blocking runs off the ball and then take lads off when they collect the tick after their yellow.
Enough about Tyrone 2003-9.
Dubs were good today, B Brogan up front was top class again.
Pity Cork threw the game down there as a league final would've been better preparation than a game v Wexford.
Don't know heffo, congrats by the way, I think this is the ideal scenario for Dublin. They can get the head down now and work on bringing things together, safe in the knowledge that they won't have to be at their best to at least get a decent run in Leinster. In truth Dublin will probably make the final while still ironing out the little kinks in their game and getting Keaney and A Brogan more game time. A league final, if it went south, would undo the benefits of the league in one afternoon. I think Dublin are better off avoiding Cork for the moment.
As for Tyrone, I wouldn't be writing off a team that has some big guns to come back. They've beaten both Cork and Kerry in this league so they can't be as bad as some are saying. They'll still be a team to be reckoned with this summer but they are more beatable this year than they have been in the past 7 or 8 years.
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Quote from: heffo on April 11, 2010, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 11, 2010, 09:05:54 PM
Systematic fouling in rotation, persistent blocking runs off the ball and then take lads off when they collect the tick after their yellow.
Enough about Tyrone 2003-9.
Dubs were good today, B Brogan up front was top class again.
Pity Cork threw the game down there as a league final would've been better preparation than a game v Wexford.
Don't know heffo, congrats by the way, I think this is the ideal scenario for Dublin. They can get the head down now and work on bringing things together, safe in the knowledge that they won't have to be at their best to at least get a decent run in Leinster. In truth Dublin will probably make the final while still ironing out the little kinks in their game and getting Keaney and A Brogan more game time. A league final, if it went south, would undo the benefits of the league in one afternoon. I think Dublin are better off avoiding Cork for the moment.
As for Tyrone, I wouldn't be writing off a team that has some big guns to come back. They've beaten both Cork and Kerry in this league so they can't be as bad as some are saying. They'll still be a team to be reckoned with this summer but they are more beatable this year than they have been in the past 7 or 8 years.
wise up, Cork were in 2nd gear and should have won by 10, kerry were toyin with Tyrone too, Tyrone has to understand Gormly, Jordan, harte and mc menamin are way past their best!!! ;D
Quote from: heffo on April 11, 2010, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 11, 2010, 09:05:54 PM
Systematic fouling in rotation, persistent blocking runs off the ball and then take lads off when they collect the tick after their yellow.
Enough about Tyrone 2003-9.
Dubs were good today, B Brogan up front was top class again.
Pity Cork threw the game down there as a league final would've been better preparation than a game v Wexford.
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Where you at the game did you see it, no I bet ya didn't. Mayo where very good in the second half and good in the first, they defended like Dublin has been this year, the big difference is Mayo is the highest scoring team in the League. Thats why MAYO finished FIRST in division 1 and DUBLIN came THIRD.
Was listening to a Cork station on the way up, alot of Cork people where texting in that they had heard texts coming in on another national radio station from Dubs who where pure bitter, all the Cork people where laughing that why did they want to play Cork again after they got pasted, it was Mayo that hammered Cork not Dublin or were the Dubs as deluded as ever. I switched over to Newstalk at Limerick and the texts from the Dubs where a disgrace.
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I'm not being at all bitter - Mayo won today and deservedly so.
The facts remain that Cork made ten changes to the team that stormed through the league and Shields not making it made eleven.
Others can make their own minds up on that.
While disappointed to be playing in division two next year, Tyrone got what they deserved and the alarm bells are ringing. Tyrone could quite easily have lost all seven games. They didn't deserve to beat Cork and were jammy enough against Kerry.
The next match is Antrim at a buzzing Casement Park. It could be quite an occasion. We've had about 5 minute bursts of promise per game. Good article in the Times today (London) on Ricey. He says they all knew last year they were coasting without pushing themselves; there was no competition for places. I wasn't convinced he thought this year was reigniting the old flame.
Mickey has his work cut out. Tyrone need the 03/05 lads back and fit as well as the 2 McMahons, a corner back in Quinn/Swift/McCarron/Carlin - a midfield sorted (Cassidy I'm starting to fear may not reach the heights of the Cork game), probably need McGinley, Hub, Mugsy, O'Neill etc fighting and fully fit. The likes of Gormley, Ricey and Harte may be a yard slower but I still think they're better than what is coming through at the present moment. When does Mickey bite the bullet and make big changes for the Championship line-up? Not this year - I don't think the oul lads have emptied the tank just yet. This year will be a watershed either way for the golden generation.
Quote from: heffo on April 11, 2010, 10:28:50 PM
I'm not being at all bitter - Mayo won today and deservedly so.
The facts remain that Cork made ten changes to the team that stormed through the league and Shields not making it made eleven.
Others can make their own minds up on that.
With a place in the final already secure Counihan was well within his rights to put a different 15 out today, end of story. Wasn't it a great opportunity to give lads against a Mayo team going well? That's how squads are developed. Most counties would love to have been afforded that luxury today.
Quote from: heffo on April 11, 2010, 10:28:50 PM
I'm not being at all bitter - Mayo won today and deservedly so.
The facts remain that Cork made ten changes to the team that stormed through the league and Shields not making it made eleven.
Others can make their own minds up on that.
I don't know why they would want to throw the game, so as to play Mayo, the capitulations of Dublin and Cork in Croke Park over the last 10 years make Mayo's look like a mild scolding. Let's just stay with those facts not the myths created in the Annals of Irish Star and the Annals of the Evening Herald. Those other two counties hammerings where far closer to the Doomsday Book (Check the scores, not the folklore). Mayo is the only one of this three to actually WIN a Senior Men's Football National Title in Croke Park since 2000. If anyone threw a game this year it was Mayo against Dublin in McHale Park. I heard Johnno wanted to play Dublin in the final so had the Mayo players on orders to miss 18 points and lose by just one :D
Div 2 2011:
Antrim
Derry
Donegal
Tyrone
Kildare
Laois
Meath
Sligo
Frustrating today, and I'm sure half the players felt worse. Carlin, Penrose and P Harte all gave 100% but I felt there was a lack of commitment from some of the team who seemed content to let someone else pick up the Dublin player on the ball. A few guys seemed reluctant to take responsibility. Joe McMahon was a big loss.
Coney scored a couple of good ones but reminds me of a newborn calf
Quote from: Rois on April 11, 2010, 11:14:34 PM
Frustrating today, and I'm sure half the players felt worse. Carlin, Penrose and P Harte all gave 100% but I felt there was a lack of commitment from some of the team who seemed content to let someone else pick up the Dublin player on the ball. A few guys seemed reluctant to take responsibility. Joe McMahon was a big loss.
Coney scored a couple of good ones but reminds me of a newborn calf
You can't get away without explaining that one Rois? Or are you telling us that Coney relies on Mickey Harte for his supply of milk?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 11, 2010, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: Rois on April 11, 2010, 11:14:34 PM
Frustrating today, and I'm sure half the players felt worse. Carlin, Penrose and P Harte all gave 100% but I felt there was a lack of commitment from some of the team who seemed content to let someone else pick up the Dublin player on the ball. A few guys seemed reluctant to take responsibility. Joe McMahon was a big loss.
Coney scored a couple of good ones but reminds me of a newborn calf
You can't get away without explaining that one Rois? Or are you telling us that Coney relies on Mickey Harte for his supply of milk?
Was he a bit wonky on the ould feet!
Yes exactly, he looks like his legs are too long and weak to properly support his body. Seems to fall over a lot. And not for dramatic effect either.
But that doesn't mean I don't think he's a good prospect.
Quote from: Rois on April 11, 2010, 11:14:34 PM
Frustrating today, and I'm sure half the players felt worse. Carlin, Penrose and P Harte all gave 100% but I felt there was a lack of commitment from some of the team who seemed content to let someone else pick up the Dublin player on the ball. A few guys seemed reluctant to take responsibility. Joe McMahon was a big loss.
Coney scored a couple of good ones but reminds me of a newborn calf
I'm a big fan of Marty Penrose, but I think even today he'd admit himself he wasn't at the races at all. That early woeful freekick left a lack of confidence for the rest of the game. Even an average performance on his form so far this season should have seen him grab at least 4/5 points.
Dermy Carlin was great. If he doesn't make the championship 15 then I don't friggin know. Petey Harte is gifted, an amazing talent. And yeah it went downhill after Joe left. As an aside to that, Ref refused to stop play for Joe's injury, bad call. He stopped the game 2nd half right in the middle of Tyrone's purple patch for a couple of mins for a Dub who eventually went off. If you're not fit to continue your treatment should be on the sideline.
Oisin McConville hit the nail on the head post game on Radio Ulster. Said MH has chopped and changed so much this year even he doesn't know his best 15.
I still think his effort couldn't be disputed and was a lot better than some. If all 15 got stuck in as much as Penrose did then I'd be happier.
McConville appears to be right (though was there ever a more boring voice for radio??).
Justin, Joe, Enda, Stephen, Owen.....5 players missing today that if fit are certain starters come championship time added to the fact Jordan had his first start since August and last years Ulster player of the year Kevin Hughes only back from injury for 35 mins today. Almost half a team and 17 All Irelands senior medals between them, they would be missed by any team and the majority of the 7 of them would make probably 28-29 teams in the country? Surely no need for panic yet? Any of 4-5 teams could win this years All Ireland with Cork the stand out favorites at this stage though as we all know its all about August-September and if Tyrone are around then I wouldnt back against this team of "old" "past it" "havent got the legs anymore" "lost their pace" players adding to their medal haul and going into premature retirement, happy with their contribution to Tyrone GAA and the GAA as a whole.
Remember, going into the championship this team along with Kerry have probably the most experience of big games and as the saying goes "been there and got the T-Shirt" Discount them at your peril!
Quote from: hardstation on April 11, 2010, 10:59:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 11, 2010, 10:35:50 PM
The next match is Antrim at a buzzing Casement Park. It could be quite an occasion.
Nah, I can't see it. Tyrone still have the players who have been there and done it again and again. They still have the players who can turn it on in the bigger games. I expect something like the Ulster Final, after 10 minutes it will be clear who is going to win. There won't be a massive margin but the result will never be in question. Hope we get a better back door draw than last year. The Antrim team is still young but capable of making good progress in the next 5/6 years. Playing in Division 2 will help with this so hopefully we can stay up next year and kick on.
Antrim getting promoted to Div 2, St. Gall's winning an All-Ireland Club title and Antrim great run last year.. They're going to be full of confidence. I wouldn't be as sure of going into this game, as I was of the game last year. This is me saying that, whilst not believing the wheel's have come off the Tyrone wagon yet.
Quote from: hardstation on April 12, 2010, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 12, 2010, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: hardstation on April 11, 2010, 10:59:12 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 11, 2010, 10:35:50 PM
The next match is Antrim at a buzzing Casement Park. It could be quite an occasion.
Nah, I can't see it. Tyrone still have the players who have been there and done it again and again. They still have the players who can turn it on in the bigger games. I expect something like the Ulster Final, after 10 minutes it will be clear who is going to win. There won't be a massive margin but the result will never be in question. Hope we get a better back door draw than last year. The Antrim team is still young but capable of making good progress in the next 5/6 years. Playing in Division 2 will help with this so hopefully we can stay up next year and kick on.
Antrim getting promoted to Div 2, St. Gall's winning an All-Ireland Club title and Antrim great run last year.. They're going to be full of confidence. I wouldn't be as sure of going into this game, as I was of the game last year. This is me saying that, whilst not believing the wheel's have come off the Tyrone wagon yet.
Ziggy, Tyrone........Antrim. Be honest. Tyrone........Antrim.
Oh aye, Tyrone should win. Not to say they will though.
Quote from: hardstation on April 12, 2010, 01:03:07 AM
We'll not bother yis much the year. Tyrone should win Ulster handy enough again. I fancy a good run in the qualifiers for Antrim.
It's good to see antrim football on the rise, a sleeping giant if ever there was one and the more success this team can have can only be good for the game in Antrim.
Tyrone could be in a wee bit of trouble here, antrim are well capable of doing damage and if tyrone go into this game thinking they are going to coast home they will be bate.
Tyrone will be in the quarters no matter what way you cut it, they are too good not to get at least that far and I see them getting to the AISF before losing to either kerry or Cork.
Quote from: hardstation on April 12, 2010, 02:30:37 AM
Stew, let's be honest, Tyrone will be playing Armagh or Derry in the Ulster Final. I reckon it'll be Armagh and it should be a cracking game. Could it even go to Croke Park?
Not a hope. If Tyrone scrape past Antrim, which I'd have my doubts about, then Down will beat them. Mickey Harte raised the hype and expectation levels for a league game and a pile of lads shit in the nest. It doesn't bode well.
Championship team right now?
Who the f**k knows? :P
1) Mc Connell
2) D Carlin
3) JUstin Mc Mahon
4) R McMenemin
5) S O'Neill
6) C Gormley
7) P Jordan
8) A Cassidy
9) K hughes
10) Colm Cavanagh
11) Sean Cavanagh
12) Joe McMahon
13) M Penrose
14) Steven o'Neill
15) Eoin Mulligan
subs
Dooher
McGinley
B McGuigan
T McGuigan
D harte
K Coney
P harte ( could possibly make it, deserves to!)
Still a formidable enough looking team, but sure who knows! ;D
Quote from: hardstation on April 12, 2010, 03:02:13 AM
Nope, not a chance Antrim will beat that. Tyrone by 4 or 5 but never in doubt.
Cute Hoorism makes a journey from South to North.
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Quote from: heffo on April 11, 2010, 10:28:50 PM
I'm not being at all bitter - Mayo won today and deservedly so.
The facts remain that Cork made ten changes to the team that stormed through the league and Shields not making it made eleven.
Others can make their own minds up on that.
I don't know why they would want to throw the game, so as to play Mayo, the capitulations of Dublin and Cork in Croke Park over the last 10 years make Mayo's look like a mild scolding. Let's just stay with those facts not the myths created in the Annals of Irish Star and the Annals of the Evening Herald. Those other two counties hammerings where far closer to the Doomsday Book (Check the scores, not the folklore). Mayo is the only one of this three to actually WIN a Senior Men's Football National Title in Croke Park since 2000. If anyone threw a game this year it was Mayo against Dublin in McHale Park. I heard Johnno wanted to play Dublin in the final so had the Mayo players on orders to miss 18 points and lose by just one :D
What does any of that redundant information have to do with Cork making eleven changes to a winning team (12 if you include Canty's injury in the first half?
Mayo are in the league final and deservedly so - my gripe isn't with them.
My gripe is with Cork fielding a B team.
Was great to see a good turn out of Dublin support in Omagh yesterday. Was pleasantly surprised by the big number that travelled north and it was nice to chat to one or two of them after the game. They really enjoyed this win, but firmly have their eye on the bigger prize this year.
A lot of a supporters went to behind the goals, at the town end. Looked almost like Hill 16 ;)
Must admit I was surprised at that result and delighted as well. Given the right type of ball Bernard is very hard to mark and McMenamon compliments him well. As others have said midfield is still a huge issue for us but no more than Gilroy I don't know what the solution is. Tyrone were poor though so that must be factored into the equation as well.
The brother had a gang of young fellas up that morning in Errigal Chiarain and everyone had a great day out and hospitality was first class by all accounts.
With the hot weather and lots of blue shirts behind the goal it certainly whets the appetite for the Championship ;)
While it will be a huge help to have Mulligan,O'Neill and hopefully Dooher back for the championship,i would still be worried about our defence.We don't have a really good man marker that can put the shackles on the oppositions dangerman.Brogan tore us apart yesterday but i would say that if we were to meet them in the championship Mickey Harte would obviously change tactics and get a few extra bodies behind the ball.
It's disappointing to go down but i still feel that this Tyrone team has something left in them and i wouldn't go writing the obituaries just yet.
Quote from: Declan on April 12, 2010, 10:32:51 AM
Must admit I was surprised at that result and delighted as well. Given the right type of ball Bernard is very hard to mark and McMenamon compliments him well. As others have said midfield is still a huge issue for us but no more than Gilroy I don't know what the solution is. Tyrone were poor though so that must be factored into the equation as well.
The brother had a gang of young fellas up that morning in Errigal Chiarain and everyone had a great day out and hospitality was first class by all accounts.
With the hot weather and lots of blue shirts behind the goal it certainly whets the appetite for the Championship ;)
The midfield issue didn't exist when Whelan and Ryan were there. They will live to regret that decision because thats where our problems are. Imagine if we had those two available- we might just have a balanced team. Still makes no sense.
As regards Tyrone the defence is their problem. Not too disappointed to see the demise of one of the tyrone's defenders yesterday who I've always considered to be a nasty piece of work.
Ricey is still a very decent player and Jordan was decent as well. Mc Mahon is still a classy footballer as well. BUt they need to find 2 defenders before the championship. New ones. I don't believe O Neill is a good defender- great going forward alright. Forward line is still very good as named below. Pointless playing Cavanagh at full forward. Too influential to be playing in there. So Tyrone will definitely make the last 8 and maybe the last 4 but thats it for me.
Not enough new blood. Haven't done well at u21 level for quite some time. Far more important grade than minor.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 12, 2010, 10:12:22 AM
Was great to see a good turn out of Dublin support in Omagh yesterday. Was pleasantly surprised by the big number that travelled north and it was nice to chat to one or two of them after the game. They really enjoyed this win, but firmly have their eye on the bigger prize this year.
A lot of a supporters went to behind the goals, at the town end. Looked almost like Hill 16 ;)
Any Dublin fan who thinks Dublin can win Sam Maguire needs to check into portrane as soon as possible.
Quote from: hardstation on April 12, 2010, 02:30:37 AM
Stew, let's be honest, Tyrone will be playing Armagh or Derry in the Ulster Final. I reckon it'll be Armagh and it should be a cracking game. Could it even go to Croke Park?
You've just witnessed the first pre-championship USFC 'big statement'... I think either of those teams have to beat Monaghan and then Fermanagh or Cavan. With respect to Fermanagh or Cavan I can't see our game against either Armagh or Derry being that clear cut. Is there something you know that we don't?? You've the venue and all chosen already..
Quote from: hardstation on April 12, 2010, 03:02:13 AM
Nope, not a chance Antrim will beat that. Tyrone by 4 or 5 but never in doubt.
You are 100% HS. Tyrone will beat Antrim by at leats five points. Why, because they are better all over the field. The only significant victory that Antrim have had over the past 12 months is beating Donegal in Ballybofey and even that is questionable when you wonder why the Donegal goal was disallowed at the end. After that.... Cavan!
This year Offaly and Wexford have beaten them, hardly giants of the game. Tyrone to win easy!
funny how sandwiches has kept quiet on mark donnellys performance so far yet when other players play a poor game, he is straight away on the board calling for their heads.
It's an Antrim Down semi final.
I'd put my garden shed on Antrim beating Tyrone at Casement.
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
It's an Antrim Down semi final.
I'd put my garden shed on Antrim beating Tyrone at Casement.
I don't know of any bookies that accept garden sheds as a wager.
Quote from: Main Street on April 12, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
It's an Antrim Down semi final.
I'd put my garden shed on Antrim beating Tyrone at Casement.
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You have me nailed there.
but two floors? luxury!
Fair dues to Dublin - ye had us chasing shadows yesterday. When was the last time Tyrone were in Division 2, some debate about that at the moment. The most disappointing aspects of yesterday for me was yet another poor gameplan, the demise of our defence, the performances of our midfield men who were cleaned out, and the sight at the start of the second half a visably injured Colm Cavanagh limping to full forward - now either he was bluffing or the management hadnt noticed his limping out of the tunnel, or at half time. I hate to read the commentry on Gormley - a Tyrone legend, but I felt he was hung out to dry on Brogan both by an inactive midfield and management. Unfortunately Sean O Neill wasnt played from the start instead of Davy whom Dublin targeted, Mickeys reasons are justifiable to a point but when relegation occurs he must now take responsibility also and account of what he could have done better. Positive aspect for me was Peter Harte who will be the brightest spark in Tyrone football in a couple of years and Philip Jorday played well. I felt sorry for Marty Penrose yesterday - just a bad day after a great campaign, I think hes probably a half forward anyway. Ive no doubt we will beat Antrim as cuteness and experience will prevail there, but how far we can go is anyones guess. In reality we should have lost every league game - and just how well this transition period goes is anyones guess - Its some test for Harte and hes had mixed results to date but Im sure things will improve for him. Id say expectation levels going into the championship is not a bad thing, but have they been this low in 10 years?
Quote from: tonesfirstandlast on April 12, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: hardstation on April 12, 2010, 03:02:13 AM
Nope, not a chance Antrim will beat that. Tyrone by 4 or 5 but never in doubt.
You are 100% HS. Tyrone will beat Antrim by at leats five points. Why, because they are better all over the field. The only significant victory that Antrim have had over the past 12 months is beating Donegal in Ballybofey and even that is questionable when you wonder why the Donegal goal was disallowed at the end. After that.... Cavan!
This year Offaly and Wexford have beaten them, hardly giants of the game. Tyrone to win easy!
Indeed Cavan are not giants of the game but they did beat Wexford a few weeks back.
Quote from: rrhf on April 12, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Fair dues to Dublin - ye had us chasing shadows yesterday. When was the last time Tyrone were in Division 2, some debate about that at the moment. The most disappointing aspects of yesterday for me was yet another poor gameplan, the demise of our defence, the performances of our midfield men who were cleaned out, and the sight at the start of the second half a visably injured Colm Cavanagh limping to full forward - now either he was bluffing or the management hadnt noticed his limping out of the tunnel, or at half time. I hate to read the commentry on Gormley - a Tyrone legend, but I felt he was hung out to dry on Brogan both by an inactive midfield and management. Unfortunately Sean O Neill wasnt played from the start instead of Davy whom Dublin targeted, Mickeys reasons are justifiable to a point but when relegation occurs he must now take responsibility also and account of what he could have done better. Positive aspect for me was Peter Harte who will be the brightest spark in Tyrone football in a couple of years and Philip Jorday played well. I felt sorry for Marty Penrose yesterday - just a bad day after a great campaign, I think hes probably a half forward anyway. Ive no doubt we will beat Antrim as cuteness and experience will prevail there, but how far we can go is anyones guess. In reality we should have lost every league game - and just how well this transition period goes is anyones guess - Its some test for Harte and hes had mixed results to date but Im sure things will improve for him. Id say expectation levels going into the championship is not a bad thing, but have they been this low in 10 years?
I can't see MH going man for man again in the Championship as I think Gormley & McMenamin could be exposed for pace in Croke park if they did.
Whats the latest on SON?
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2010, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 12, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Fair dues to Dublin - ye had us chasing shadows yesterday. When was the last time Tyrone were in Division 2, some debate about that at the moment. The most disappointing aspects of yesterday for me was yet another poor gameplan, the demise of our defence, the performances of our midfield men who were cleaned out, and the sight at the start of the second half a visably injured Colm Cavanagh limping to full forward - now either he was bluffing or the management hadnt noticed his limping out of the tunnel, or at half time. I hate to read the commentry on Gormley - a Tyrone legend, but I felt he was hung out to dry on Brogan both by an inactive midfield and management. Unfortunately Sean O Neill wasnt played from the start instead of Davy whom Dublin targeted, Mickeys reasons are justifiable to a point but when relegation occurs he must now take responsibility also and account of what he could have done better. Positive aspect for me was Peter Harte who will be the brightest spark in Tyrone football in a couple of years and Philip Jorday played well. I felt sorry for Marty Penrose yesterday - just a bad day after a great campaign, I think hes probably a half forward anyway. Ive no doubt we will beat Antrim as cuteness and experience will prevail there, but how far we can go is anyones guess. In reality we should have lost every league game - and just how well this transition period goes is anyones guess - Its some test for Harte and hes had mixed results to date but Im sure things will improve for him. Id say expectation levels going into the championship is not a bad thing, but have they been this low in 10 years?
I can't see MH going man for man again in the Championship as I think Gormley & McMenamin could be exposed for pace in Croke park if they did.
Whats the latest on SON?
He admitted himself in the Irish News today that he had considered playing a sweeper but wanted a more positive approach to the match and then realised that this had back-fired. So by the time the damage was done reverting to a more defensive formation would have been fruitless as they needed a lot of scores to get back into it.
The two goals at the end of the first half killed us. Although they were well on top we were only two or three points back at that stage. Seeing the highlights last night reminded me of how good Dublins foot--passing into their FF line was, a combination of good play and lack of pressure by the tyrone men out the field.
Another factor that didnt help us was this yapping crap. Gave away ten metres a number of times and got frees turned over for back chat and their second goal came directly from a Tyrone man not waiting for the ref's whistle before hitting our free. Silly stuff.
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2010, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 12, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Fair dues to Dublin - ye had us chasing shadows yesterday. When was the last time Tyrone were in Division 2, some debate about that at the moment. The most disappointing aspects of yesterday for me was yet another poor gameplan, the demise of our defence, the performances of our midfield men who were cleaned out, and the sight at the start of the second half a visably injured Colm Cavanagh limping to full forward - now either he was bluffing or the management hadnt noticed his limping out of the tunnel, or at half time. I hate to read the commentry on Gormley - a Tyrone legend, but I felt he was hung out to dry on Brogan both by an inactive midfield and management. Unfortunately Sean O Neill wasnt played from the start instead of Davy whom Dublin targeted, Mickeys reasons are justifiable to a point but when relegation occurs he must now take responsibility also and account of what he could have done better. Positive aspect for me was Peter Harte who will be the brightest spark in Tyrone football in a couple of years and Philip Jorday played well. I felt sorry for Marty Penrose yesterday - just a bad day after a great campaign, I think hes probably a half forward anyway. Ive no doubt we will beat Antrim as cuteness and experience will prevail there, but how far we can go is anyones guess. In reality we should have lost every league game - and just how well this transition period goes is anyones guess - Its some test for Harte and hes had mixed results to date but Im sure things will improve for him. Id say expectation levels going into the championship is not a bad thing, but have they been this low in 10 years?
I can't see MH going man for man again in the Championship as I think Gormley & McMenamin could be exposed for pace in Croke park if they did.
Whats the latest on SON?
Both SON and Dooher played for Clann's at the weekend. They were defeated by Aghaloo.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 12, 2010, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 12, 2010, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: rrhf on April 12, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Fair dues to Dublin - ye had us chasing shadows yesterday. When was the last time Tyrone were in Division 2, some debate about that at the moment. The most disappointing aspects of yesterday for me was yet another poor gameplan, the demise of our defence, the performances of our midfield men who were cleaned out, and the sight at the start of the second half a visably injured Colm Cavanagh limping to full forward - now either he was bluffing or the management hadnt noticed his limping out of the tunnel, or at half time. I hate to read the commentry on Gormley - a Tyrone legend, but I felt he was hung out to dry on Brogan both by an inactive midfield and management. Unfortunately Sean O Neill wasnt played from the start instead of Davy whom Dublin targeted, Mickeys reasons are justifiable to a point but when relegation occurs he must now take responsibility also and account of what he could have done better. Positive aspect for me was Peter Harte who will be the brightest spark in Tyrone football in a couple of years and Philip Jorday played well. I felt sorry for Marty Penrose yesterday - just a bad day after a great campaign, I think hes probably a half forward anyway. Ive no doubt we will beat Antrim as cuteness and experience will prevail there, but how far we can go is anyones guess. In reality we should have lost every league game - and just how well this transition period goes is anyones guess - Its some test for Harte and hes had mixed results to date but Im sure things will improve for him. Id say expectation levels going into the championship is not a bad thing, but have they been this low in 10 years?
I can't see MH going man for man again in the Championship as I think Gormley & McMenamin could be exposed for pace in Croke park if they did.
Whats the latest on SON?
He admitted himself in the Irish News today that he had considered playing a sweeper but wanted a more positive approach to the match and then realised that this had back-fired. So by the time the damage was done reverting to a more defensive formation would have been fruitless as they needed a lot of scores to get back into it.
The two goals at the end of the first half killed us. Although they were well on top we were only two or three points back at that stage. Seeing the highlights last night reminded me of how good Dublins foot--passing into their FF line was, a combination of good play and lack of pressure by the tyrone men out the field.
Another factor that didnt help us was this yapping crap. Gave away ten metres a number of times and got frees turned over for back chat and their second goal came directly from a Tyrone man not waiting for the ref's whistle before hitting our free. Silly stuff.
to be fair i thought alot of that was an over fussy referee.
hopped a free we had on our own endline for being taken about 3/4 yards from the wrong place, yet lets a player steal 5/6 yards inside the touchline to kick a sideline over (still a great score though)
also made tyrone take a kick out with our full back down injured in front of the goals, yet continuously stopped play for dublin players injured in the middle of the field.
though he was very poor and mad a lot of frustarting decisions.the penrose one was very theatrical, but was right in front of me and was certainly a foul, no matter what way he went down.
the stanard of refereeing the league this year has been absolutly shocking. the best refereeing performance i seen in the tyrone games was mcenany and they made him go back and issue 3 further red cards!!!
That said, take nothing away from dublin, they were much the better side and fully deserved thier victory. bernard brogan was outstanding and got some great supply from further out the field.
tyrone will be very dissapointed with the loss and even moreso the way they played, lets hope they use that as a way to raise the ante going into the championship
why do you have to wait for the refs wistle to hit a free. was the free from the hands not brought in to speed the game up? self defeating if you have to wait on the ref!!
Quote from: rrhf on April 12, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
When was the last time Tyrone were in Division 2, some debate about that at the moment.
Cavan beat Tyrone in a Division 1 relegation playoff in Clones in Spring 1997. I remember a Tyrone fella telling me that day that Cavan had a great chance of winning Ulster that year. I thought he was mad. :)
Division II for a year is no disaster (don't think it'll be more than that).
Disappointing to see the lack of apetite for the fight, particularly in the latter stages of the game yesterday, where bursts out of the TIr Eoghain defence were presented with a statuesque greater midfield zone, where before we'd have flooded forward snapping the passes all the way. Or even bombing into the opposition goal-mouth for the dropping ball. But nothing yesterday, nada, either because of no real ambition to stay up or lack of fitness, or a mixture of both.
Good display by Dublin, with the new lads doing particularly well. B Brogan is a class act, and could well put the older brother in the shade this year. But, as in most games where Dublin is involved, they weren't quite as good as the hype would portray today, and we weren't as utterly hopeless ;)
WHY TYRONE WERE RELEGATED:
1. Quite simply, the defence was leaqking scores too easily and has been for quite a time. Conceding 2-17 v donegal in McKenna Cup, 1-18 v Derry in Celtic Park and 2-14 v Dublin, 2-10 of whih was in first half, handicaps you straight away. If we look back at Tyrone's displays in Div 1 these past 3-4 seasons, this has been on the cards. Ever since, Mayo walked four goals in against us in April 2007 in Omagh, holes have been appearing. We have not developed 2 trustworthy corner backs, or at the very least, one specialist man marker, aka Lacey, Andy Mallon etc. Conor Gormley has been relied upon for years to plug holes and mark the danger forward. Now i suspect, that role is being bestowed upon Justin McMahon. If Tyrone go man for man, the consequeneces are dire, possibly not extending beyond Antrim. Davy looks slow and tired and he has survived so long due to Tyrone not deploying the man to man system and the free role he enjoys as a result of the blanket defence. This system requires a lot of industry and high octane intensity, the ability to break tackles and move both yourself and the ball out of the defence at pace. Tyrone simply do not have the personnel at the required level to carry this out. I fear the wide spaces of croke park will illustrate this.
2. Management persistence with naive experimentation. Players tried in wrong position etc. Gourley hung out to dry at crner back v Galway. McMenamin exposed on Darren O'Sullivan. Horses for courses and all that. Galway exposed Davy by placing Bergin on him. Dublin clearly followed suit. Tommy McGuigan played at 13, when the corner was clearly not the place for him. Persistence with rotating the keepers. This has never worked, esp since he has brought 3 keepers into the equation. A lot of uncertainty re kickouts.
3. New Rules did not help. Tyrone probably the most affected by hand pass dibacle.
4. Failing and weakness at U-21 grade and County Board's unwillingness to make a difficult decision. Surely Canavan and Lawn time?
CONSEQUENCES OF RELEGATION:
I have heard people say it doesn't matter whether division 1 or 2. But when was the last time a team won Sam from division 2? We are now in a dog eat dog division where there is little to separate any team.
POSITIVES:
1. Peter Harte
2. Martin Penrose's continued developement.
3. Sean Cavanagh's renaissance. Next captain.
4. Aidan Cassidy's emergence.
5. Colm Cavanagh's coming of age.
6. Dermot Carlin getting a fair crack of the whip.
Armagh were in div 2 in 2002 and won the all ireland.
And we haven't actually played in Division II yet! (And won't have until after the 2010 All-Ireland)
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 12, 2010, 07:14:20 PM
Armagh were in div 2 in 2002 and won the all ireland.
Can't see a team getting as lucky as that again though.
Never one to piss on anyone's parade but enjoy your travels around Div 2 next year :P
You all must be smoking some serious mindblowing narcotics if you think this Tyrone team is even half finished. Makes me sick to see people call for Mickys Head on a different substandard forum.
Tyrone will be there or there abouts come August/September. The players they have to come back from injury and i think the Tyrone Camp will be more motivated now to try and change this poor form around. Its nearly a 2 month break now until the championship which is a lot of time to get the house in order.
As for my beloved Dubs, good win, gaining experience in beating the big teams even if it is the league, Mayo, Tyrone and Kerry wins away from home is good IMO. still alot of work to do. A quarter/Semi All Ireland at best for us.
Still think its Cork's to lose and only Kerry's to win ;), even at this early stage.
Did anybody mention that Johnny Curran did well on goals yesterday ?.
I thought he did very well.
Some tremendous saves alright orangemen but some wayward kickouts too.. All in all those who think that Tyrone are finished may be proven terribly right in June or beautifully wrong in September, no one can tell, Who knows Harte might revisit the drawing board before Antrim and reinvent and reinvigorate this Tyrone team spectacularly.
Quote from: The Aristocrat on April 12, 2010, 08:00:08 PM
You all must be smoking some serious mindblowing narcotics if you think this Tyrone team is even half finished. Makes me sick to see people call for Mickys Head on a different substandard forum.
Seen that. Pulled them on it too.
Talk of Tyrone's demise has been greatly exaggerated. The Championship is a marathon and not a sprint. Mickey Harte for me is not only a seasoned and prov-en manager he is also a philosopher. A very intelligent human being who will take risks and experiment during the league, to see what will work best for Tyrone down the road. The only thing you can be guaranteed that is in his mind is the Championship. Some people have to be patient and keep the faith and not have such a short memory. This is the time of the year to make mistakes and its only by making mistakes you learn a bout your weakness. Tyrone made the semi finals last year and realized they were a couple of players short against Cork. It looks like they have found four new faces for a least the first 18 places. They will be much stronger than last year and a year more experienced. To look at Tyrone's future you just have to look at their past. Teams that thought Tyrone were wounded and went in for the kill ended up being killed themselves. Tyrone are the real deal.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on April 13, 2010, 03:26:29 AM
Talk of Tyrone's demise has been greatly exaggerated. The Championship is a marathon and not a sprint. Mickey Harte for me is not only a seasoned and prov-en manager he is also a philosopher. A very intelligent human being who will take risks and experiment during the league, to see what will work best for Tyrone down the road. The only thing you can be guaranteed that is in his mind is the Championship. Some people have to be patient and keep the faith and not have such a short memory. This is the time of the year to make mistakes and its only by making mistakes you learn a bout your weakness. Tyrone made the semi finals last year and realized they were a couple of players short against Cork. It looks like they have found four new faces for a least the first 18 places. They will be much stronger than last year and a year more experienced. To look at Tyrone's future you just have to look at their past. Teams that thought Tyrone were wounded and went in for the kill ended up being killed themselves. Tyrone are the real deal.
Can't agree they are stronger than last year because they aren't. At a similar level as last year for me ie last 4 material but certainly not all ireland winning level for me. Just don't see these new players everyone is talking about.
Cork will decide the destination of this years all ireland. Its theirs if they want it.
i see 'sandwiches in the boot' is conveniently choosing not to comment on his clubmate mark donnellys performance the other day, yet when its someone else playing poorly he's the first on board to call for their heads. Come on sandwiches, stop hiding ya big farmer ya!
What was wrong with his performance? TBH no one really had a great game and I don't see the need for you to highlight his performance.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on April 12, 2010, 07:44:11 PM
Never one to piss on anyone's parade but enjoy your travels around Div 2 next year :P
You're in Sheehy territory there Mike. Even when getting relegated Tyrone still beat Kerry :-*
no, i'm not trying to knock donnellys performance, just looking to highlight sandwiches inability to analyse tyrones matches fairly, for i remember him criticising young mcnabb and coney after one match in the early part of the season, yet when donnelly was quiet the other day, or for that matter gormleys performance as well, he remains quiet. I just want consistency in his constant criticism!
So whats your club Shady?
i'm living in omagh, so i suppose i'd be an omagh man!
Quote from: Shadylimp on April 13, 2010, 11:30:13 AM
i'm living in omagh, so i suppose i'd be an omagh man!
So you are not a member of any club in Tyrone?
Fair is fair...... my sister,brother and his girlfriend went up to HP last Sunday. They were very impressed with the welcome....... got their hands shaked off them by Tyrone fans after the game. To say the least they were impressed.
Well Done all.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2010, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on April 13, 2010, 03:26:29 AM
Talk of Tyrone's demise has been greatly exaggerated. The Championship is a marathon and not a sprint. Mickey Harte for me is not only a seasoned and prov-en manager he is also a philosopher. A very intelligent human being who will take risks and experiment during the league, to see what will work best for Tyrone down the road. The only thing you can be guaranteed that is in his mind is the Championship. Some people have to be patient and keep the faith and not have such a short memory. This is the time of the year to make mistakes and its only by making mistakes you learn a bout your weakness. Tyrone made the semi finals last year and realized they were a couple of players short against Cork. It looks like they have found four new faces for a least the first 18 places. They will be much stronger than last year and a year more experienced. To look at Tyrone's future you just have to look at their past. Teams that thought Tyrone were wounded and went in for the kill ended up being killed themselves. Tyrone are the real deal.
Can't agree they are stronger than last year because they aren't. At a similar level as last year for me ie last 4 material but certainly not all ireland winning level for me. Just don't see these new players everyone is talking about.
Cork will decide the destination of this years all ireland. Its theirs if they want it.
In post no.170 you profess to only seeing one of Tyrone's 12 or so games this year, so not sure how you are in a position to make too much significant comment on the matter.This may explain why you cannot see the new players, we who have seen all the tyrone games this year are referring to.
Quote from: qz on April 13, 2010, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 13, 2010, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on April 13, 2010, 03:26:29 AM
Talk of Tyrone's demise has been greatly exaggerated. The Championship is a marathon and not a sprint. Mickey Harte for me is not only a seasoned and prov-en manager he is also a philosopher. A very intelligent human being who will take risks and experiment during the league, to see what will work best for Tyrone down the road. The only thing you can be guaranteed that is in his mind is the Championship. Some people have to be patient and keep the faith and not have such a short memory. This is the time of the year to make mistakes and its only by making mistakes you learn a bout your weakness. Tyrone made the semi finals last year and realized they were a couple of players short against Cork. It looks like they have found four new faces for a least the first 18 places. They will be much stronger than last year and a year more experienced. To look at Tyrone's future you just have to look at their past. Teams that thought Tyrone were wounded and went in for the kill ended up being killed themselves. Tyrone are the real deal.
Can't agree they are stronger than last year because they aren't. At a similar level as last year for me ie last 4 material but certainly not all ireland winning level for me. Just don't see these new players everyone is talking about.
Cork will decide the destination of this years all ireland. Its theirs if they want it.
In post no.170 you profess to only seeing one of Tyrone's 12 or so games this year, so not sure how you are in a position to make too much significant comment on the matter.This may explain why you cannot see the new players, we who have seen all the tyrone games this year are referring to.
You've struggled at 21 level for quite some time now so I doubt I've missed a lot. Some of these new players have been around for3- 5 years! Peter Harte is a good player and so is Cassidy. After that I think you're struggling. Mulgrew and Peter Donnelly were two of the best underage I've seen but neither came through. And that should be a big concern for you.
No not really, a bigger loss than that was a potentially great forward in Niall mc Ginn to celtic but I think we'll be back quicker than you think. I think with the likes of 4 all star winner Sean Cavanagh at 26 years old we will have time to develop other youngsters too.
Ricey doesn't seem too bothered by the drop down to Division 2 in today's Irish News. In fact he considers it a successful year, as Tyrone blooded a lot of young players and other players are beginning to show the potential that Mickey saw in them.
He feels Tyrone won't be too long down in Division 2, so there doesn't seem to be too much dis-heart in the Tyrone camp.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Ricey doesn't seem too bothered by the drop down to Division 2 in today's Irish News. In fact he considers it a successful year, as Tyrone blooded a lot of young players and other players are beginning to show the potential that Mickey saw in them.
He feels Tyrone won't be too long down in Division 2, so there doesn't seem to be too much dis-heart in the Tyrone camp.
Did you really expect him to say anything else, Ziggy??
Quote from: amigo on April 13, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Ricey doesn't seem too bothered by the drop down to Division 2 in today's Irish News. In fact he considers it a successful year, as Tyrone blooded a lot of young players and other players are beginning to show the potential that Mickey saw in them.
He feels Tyrone won't be too long down in Division 2, so there doesn't seem to be too much dis-heart in the Tyrone camp.
Did you really expect him to say anything else, Ziggy??
Yes. In 2008 there was talk of disappointment and rebuilding after the Down defeat. None of that today, in fact talk of a successful campain.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: amigo on April 13, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Ricey doesn't seem too bothered by the drop down to Division 2 in today's Irish News. In fact he considers it a successful year, as Tyrone blooded a lot of young players and other players are beginning to show the potential that Mickey saw in them.
He feels Tyrone won't be too long down in Division 2, so there doesn't seem to be too much dis-heart in the Tyrone camp.
Did you really expect him to say anything else, Ziggy??
Yes. In 2008 there was talk of disappointment and rebuilding after the Down defeat. None of that today, in fact talk of a successful campain.
so, what would be an unsuccessful campaign? :-\ Ziggy... you need to relax with this big game only hours away!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on April 13, 2010, 04:31:49 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: amigo on April 13, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Ricey doesn't seem too bothered by the drop down to Division 2 in today's Irish News. In fact he considers it a successful year, as Tyrone blooded a lot of young players and other players are beginning to show the potential that Mickey saw in them.
He feels Tyrone won't be too long down in Division 2, so there doesn't seem to be too much dis-heart in the Tyrone camp.
Did you really expect him to say anything else, Ziggy??
Yes. In 2008 there was talk of disappointment and rebuilding after the Down defeat. None of that today, in fact talk of a successful campain.
so, what would be an unsuccessful campaign? :-\ Ziggy... you need to relax with this big game only hours away!
I believe the success Ricey was referring to was the blooding of new players and the realising of their potential of other players.
Getting nervous about this big game tonight fox. Will you in watching from ditch?
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: amigo on April 13, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on April 13, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
Ricey doesn't seem too bothered by the drop down to Division 2 in today's Irish News. In fact he considers it a successful year, as Tyrone blooded a lot of young players and other players are beginning to show the potential that Mickey saw in them.
He feels Tyrone won't be too long down in Division 2, so there doesn't seem to be too much dis-heart in the Tyrone camp.
Did you really expect him to say anything else, Ziggy??
Yes. In 2008 there was talk of disappointment and rebuilding after the Down defeat. None of that today, in fact talk of a successful campain.
The official party line perhaps!!!
Yo Ziggy.... I might look in... the last time I was in Greencastle, a farmer fired a pitch fork at me... is a rough area. You've done well to survive... good luck tonight though... a great occasion to begin your senior football.