Noah's Army

[seafoid]

It looks like a stitch up kept in place by fear and police weakness.

[imtommygunn]

Having had occasion to be on Northwood Drive over the last year I just cannot fathom how that child cycled down there naked without hundreds of sightings in the early part of a summer evening.

There must be close to 300 houses on the Drive all leading to an end cul-de-sac where he'd have had to force his way past the side of a house to gain access to that storm drain.

Dozens of kids / parents etc out in the street with the weather - there's nothing about it makes sense.

As bizarre as it is, I'm struggling to know why the coroner (who's roles is pasted below) would risk giving a decision like he did at the time.

"coroners are independent judicial officers who investigate deaths reported to them. They will make whatever inquiries are necessary to find out the cause of death, this includes ordering a post-mortem examination, obtaining witness statements and medical records, or holding an inquest"

The police have form in hiding the murders of informants in the past, I just can't fathom why they would do it now.

Also as you say if hundreds of people seen him, have they been also silenced?

Truthfully, and I hate to speculate, but I think he was hiding in there because something had happened and got trapped or something. I am not convinced the coroner's report is wrong but it's the bit leading up to it.

[Kidder81]

It looks like a stitch up kept in place by fear and police weakness.

Is the coroner involved in the stitch up ?

[general_lee]

My assumption this whole time was that loyalists or their kids had chased/killed Noah and put him in the storm drain. However the other day (on twitter obv) I had a loyalist tell me that they're looking at it being someone from one of the local hostels that did it and that the family are even suspecting this. Never heard anything about this other than from this one twitter account and a few of their followers so it's obviously not reliable. A very strange case all in all though.

not sure if it's been mentioned on here before but Fiona donohoe went on the James English podcast, worth a listen

[nrico2006]

Having had occasion to be on Northwood Drive over the last year I just cannot fathom how that child cycled down there naked without hundreds of sightings in the early part of a summer evening.

There must be close to 300 houses on the Drive all leading to an end cul-de-sac where he'd have had to force his way past the side of a house to gain access to that storm drain.

Dozens of kids / parents etc out in the street with the weather - there's nothing about it makes sense.

As bizarre as it is, I'm struggling to know why the coroner (who's roles is pasted below) would risk giving a decision like he did at the time.

"coroners are independent judicial officers who investigate deaths reported to them. They will make whatever inquiries are necessary to find out the cause of death, this includes ordering a post-mortem examination, obtaining witness statements and medical records, or holding an inquest"

The police have form in hiding the murders of informants in the past, I just can't fathom why they would do it now.

Also as you say if hundreds of people seen him, have they been also silenced?

Truthfully, and I hate to speculate, but I think he was hiding in there because something had happened and got trapped or something. I am not convinced the coroner's report is wrong but it's the bit leading up to it.

That's what I thought too. Too large-scale for a cover-up and to what end really?

[seafoid]

It looks like a stitch up kept in place by fear and police weakness.

Is the coroner involved in the stitch up ?

How come the family hasn't gotten any closure?

[Milltown Row2]

It looks like a stitch up kept in place by fear and police weakness.

Is the coroner involved in the stitch up ?

How come the family hasn't gotten any closure?

Unfortunately in the north there are hundreds that haven't got closure...

If they have covered something up I really hope they get the 'truth' I've no idea what happened and couldn't comment on it... there are some on here who have better inside knowledge on things.

Couldn't imagine the agony Noah's mum is going through, I just hope that when this PII happens that it will give whatever closure she needs

[smelmoth]

The thing I can't square is the alleged assault/murder and the coroner said there was no obvious signs of injury. Before anyone starts with the RUC collusion angle, I don't buy it.

So are people saying he was beat to a pulp yet not a mark on him ?

Maybe this is squared by reasoning that some of the things said/alleged are not true?

A young lad dies, chances are something wrong has happened. We might never know the truth.

As for conspiracies I see no evidence of that.

People seem to be taking the existence of a PII as a justification for making up any bullshit conspiracy theory. We have PIIs in NI and we all know the reason why we have to have them and why some "community representatives" don't like them. I do hope that those pushing against PIIs are not stringing the family along to suit their own political agenda.

[Milltown Row2]

It looks like a stitch up kept in place by fear and police weakness.

Is the coroner involved in the stitch up ?

How come the family hasn't gotten any closure?

Unfortunately in the north there are hundreds that haven't got closure...

If they have covered something up I really hope they get the 'truth' I've no idea what happened and couldn't comment on it... there are some on here who have better inside knowledge on things.

Couldn't imagine the agony Noah's mum is going through, I just hope that when this PII happens that it will give whatever closure she needs

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What is it that you think PII stands for and what do you mean "when it happens"?

I assumed it was more information on things.. but an enquiry would, if it happens, be better snd possibly closure

[imtommygunn]

PII= no disclosure of information. (Public interest immunity)

It's the reversal of that they need. I am not sure they will ever get it

You read on Twitter people saying "we deserve to know". We don't- the mother does. That poor woman.

[Kidder81]

PII= no disclosure of information. (Public interest immunity)

It's the reversal of that they need. I am not sure they will ever get it

You read on Twitter people saying "we deserve to know". We don't- the mother does. That poor woman.

The "movement" on Twitter has some loons in its ranks, which doesent help at times

[Milltown Row2]

PII= no disclosure of information. (Public interest immunity)

It's the reversal of that they need. I am not sure they will ever get it

You read on Twitter people saying "we deserve to know". We don't- the mother does. That poor woman.

There ya go... I thought it was getting information out there...

[imtommygunn]

PII= no disclosure of information. (Public interest immunity)

It's the reversal of that they need. I am not sure they will ever get it

You read on Twitter people saying "we deserve to know". We don't- the mother does. That poor woman.

The "movement" on Twitter has some loons in its ranks, which doesent help at times

Agreed. The family deserve to know and now the public want to but the only people that deserve to know are that poor wee boy's family. I suspect there is a good bit of incompetence going on here from a PSNI perspective too though there is definitely something not right too.

[smelmoth]

PII= no disclosure of information. (Public interest immunity)

It's the reversal of that they need. I am not sure they will ever get it

You read on Twitter people saying "we deserve to know". We don't- the mother does. That poor woman.

The "movement" on Twitter has some loons in its ranks, which doesent help at times

Agreed. The family deserve to know and now the public want to but the only people that deserve to know are that poor wee boy's family. I suspect there is a good bit of incompetence going on here from a PSNI perspective too though there is definitely something not right too.

Every victim's family deserve to know. But people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that something is known by the police about the the circumstances of the death and the identity of the perpetrator
/perpetrators. That is a big assumption.

[trueblue1234]

PII= no disclosure of information. (Public interest immunity)

It's the reversal of that they need. I am not sure they will ever get it

You read on Twitter people saying "we deserve to know". We don't- the mother does. That poor woman.

The "movement" on Twitter has some loons in its ranks, which doesent help at times

Agreed. The family deserve to know and now the public want to but the only people that deserve to know are that poor wee boy's family. I suspect there is a good bit of incompetence going on here from a PSNI perspective too though there is definitely something not right too.

Every victim's family deserve to know. But people seem to be jumping to the conclusion that something is known by the police about the the circumstances of the death and the identity of the perpetrator
/perpetrators. That is a big assumption.

Would there be a need for a PII if there wasn't something?