NFL Division 1 2019 Dubs again?

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From the Bunker

Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2019, 12:41:49 PM
Should All Irelands from the pre all County selection days be counted at all?
It was Club teams only for the first 20 or so years.
Bray won one as Dublin Champions.

From what i heard,  The era of where Club Champions represented the County was a bit of a farce. Once the county championship was over, good players from other clubs within the county were canvassed to play for the county Champions in the Provincial and AI series. This was rife among all counties and was the reason the game changed to pure inter-county.

To be fair if you look at pre-WW2 records the Provincial and All Ireland Championship looked a mess with appeals and complaints.

1925 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship was a case in fact.

The 1925 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship

''The championship has become known for the farcical manner in which the play-offs took place. The Connaught final was not held in time to produce a team that could compete against the other three provinces in the semi-finals. Mayo was therefore nominated to represent the province. Mayo beat Wexford in the semi final. Kerry beat Cavan in the other semi-final. However, both Kerry and Cavan were disqualified for fielding illegal players. This meant that Mayo were declared champions without the need for a final. However, in the meantime, Galway had defeated Mayo in the Connaught final and this put the GAA in a bind. They withdrew their nomination of Mayo to represent Connaught, and chose Galway as rightful Connaught champions. Thus, Galway became All-Ireland champions.

However, this was deemed unsatisfactory by all. So the GAA ordered the semi-finals to be replayed with Galway taking the rightful place of Connaught champions. However, Kerry complained that their semi-final victory over Cavan should stand. When the GAA insisted that it should not stand, Kerry withdrew, leaving Cavan to automatically proceed to the final. Galway defeated Cavan in the final. The farce went on so long that the final was not played until January 10, 1926. Cavan, despite having previously been disqualified, finished with a silver medal. Mayo, despite having previously been declared champions, were eliminated. Galway, despite having previously been removed from the tournament, were champions.''

seafoid

Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 29, 2019, 11:44:12 AM
Seafoid's spot on. It's all about the 5 in a row. A number of the senior players will probably retire at the end of this season. Flynn, Brogan, O'Gara etc. It's not about adding another All Ireland to the total won, it's all about doing the 5 in a row and making history even though they won't/can't admit that in public. They're is enough bitterness out there already towards the team without adding unnecessary fuel to the fire.

Dublin didn't even send a representative to the official launch of the league this year.

No he's not spot on.  "Massive" year in the history of the GAA is getting caught up in the hype. Winning 5 in a row is just doing something that Kerry didn't. A bit of bragging rights. They will remain a good number of All Ireland titles off Kerry.

Flynn,Brogan great players at their peak though already fazed out and replaced in the starting team, are you serious by throwing O'Gara in there? Life without Cluxton; McMahon,O'Sullivan,McCarthy was seen last Sunday and they all have big boots to fill once gone.
I don't agree, Cunny.
GAA is not the same as English soccer.

5 in a row has never been done in either sport. There have been great teams but greatness has until now been confined to 4 in a row
If the Dubs did it everything would be different down in Kerry

Yet you used a quote from a former English football manager.
Great teams retains titles. Different era so can't compare and it doesn't look like Dublin this year have a challenger as good or focused as Offaly was in 1982.
It takes an exceptional team to win 3 in a row.
4 in a row is even more exclusive
It does look like the Dubs will do it but you would have said the same about the Cats in 2010.
They were very nervous
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

dublin7

Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 29, 2019, 11:44:12 AM
Seafoid's spot on. It's all about the 5 in a row. A number of the senior players will probably retire at the end of this season. Flynn, Brogan, O'Gara etc. It's not about adding another All Ireland to the total won, it's all about doing the 5 in a row and making history even though they won't/can't admit that in public. They're is enough bitterness out there already towards the team without adding unnecessary fuel to the fire.

Dublin didn't even send a representative to the official launch of the league this year.

No he's not spot on.  "Massive" year in the history of the GAA is getting caught up in the hype. Winning 5 in a row is just doing something that Kerry didn't. A bit of bragging rights. They will remain a good number of All Ireland titles off Kerry.

Flynn,Brogan great players at their peak though already fazed out and replaced in the starting team, are you serious by throwing O'Gara in there? Life without Cluxton; McMahon,O'Sullivan,McCarthy was seen last Sunday and they all have big boots to fill once gone.
I don't agree, Cunny.
GAA is not the same as English soccer.

5 in a row has never been done in either sport. There have been great teams but greatness has until now been confined to 4 in a row
If the Dubs did it everything would be different down in Kerry

Yet you used a quote from a former English football manager.
Great teams retains titles. Different era so can't compare and it doesn't look like Dublin this year have a challenger as good or focused as Offaly was in 1982.
It takes an exceptional team to win 3 in a row.
4 in a row is even more exclusive
It does look like the Dubs will do it but you would have said the same about the Cats in 2010.
They were very nervous

Sorry CF, but if the dubs win this year they do something no one else has ever done. Do you think anyone honestly will care this year that winning the all Ireland this year gets them 1 closer to Kerry's total. It's football immortality and legendary status in the history in the game. You can try and knock their achievements all you want but this is the one year teams ESPECIALLY Kerry will want to beat the dubs.

BennyCake

Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 29, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
Dublin had 21 All Ireland titles to Kerry's 36 pre-2011. That count now is 28 to 37! Dublin are quickly eating away at that lead!

Hope they overtake them.

I hope they both win no more, and the rest (except Tyrone) catch up.

seafoid

Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 29, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
Dublin had 21 All Ireland titles to Kerry's 36 pre-2011. That count now is 28 to 37! Dublin are quickly eating away at that lead!

Hope they overtake them.

Typical Mayo ;)

Would you not want Mayo to win a few of them ?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

TheGreatest

I think you are all forgetting yourselves above with all this positivity for Dublin. Back to Dub hating with you all.


Farrandeelin

Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 29, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 29, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
Dublin had 21 All Ireland titles to Kerry's 36 pre-2011. That count now is 28 to 37! Dublin are quickly eating away at that lead!

Hope they overtake them.

Typical Mayo ;)

Would you not want Mayo to win a few of them ?
Of course. Once we overtake both it'll be mighty altogether.
Inaugural Football Championship Prediction Winner.

Duine Eile

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 29, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
Couldn't make the game but did Galway make use of the mark at all against Cavan?

Not really, I think Cunningham might have caught one but played on, can't be certain. If he did it was by accident rather than any plan. Comer is made for the mark but doesn't look like we'll be paying much heed to it whenever he's back.

Itchy

Quote from: Duine Eile on January 29, 2019, 04:49:12 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 29, 2019, 01:17:34 PM
Couldn't make the game but did Galway make use of the mark at all against Cavan?

Not really, I think Cunningham might have caught one but played on, can't be certain. If he did it was by accident rather than any plan. Comer is made for the mark but doesn't look like we'll be paying much heed to it whenever he's back.

I dont think the referee paid much head to it, he didnt blow his whistle for a number of clear marks for either team and as a result they just played on.

Cunny Funt

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Quote from: dublin7 on January 29, 2019, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 29, 2019, 11:44:12 AM
Seafoid's spot on. It's all about the 5 in a row. A number of the senior players will probably retire at the end of this season. Flynn, Brogan, O'Gara etc. It's not about adding another All Ireland to the total won, it's all about doing the 5 in a row and making history even though they won't/can't admit that in public. They're is enough bitterness out there already towards the team without adding unnecessary fuel to the fire.

Dublin didn't even send a representative to the official launch of the league this year.

No he's not spot on.  "Massive" year in the history of the GAA is getting caught up in the hype. Winning 5 in a row is just doing something that Kerry didn't. A bit of bragging rights. They will remain a good number of All Ireland titles off Kerry.

Flynn,Brogan great players at their peak though already fazed out and replaced in the starting team, are you serious by throwing O'Gara in there? Life without Cluxton; McMahon,O’Sullivan,McCarthy was seen last Sunday and they all have big boots to fill once gone.
I don't agree, Cunny.
GAA is not the same as English soccer.

5 in a row has never been done in either sport. There have been great teams but greatness has until now been confined to 4 in a row
If the Dubs did it everything would be different down in Kerry

Yet you used a quote from a former English football manager.
Great teams retains titles. Different era so can't compare and it doesn't look like Dublin this year have a challenger as good or focused as Offaly was in 1982.
It takes an exceptional team to win 3 in a row.
4 in a row is even more exclusive
It does look like the Dubs will do it but you would have said the same about the Cats in 2010.
They were very nervous

Sorry CF, but if the dubs win this year they do something no one else has ever done. Do you think anyone honestly will care this year that winning the all Ireland this year gets them 1 closer to Kerry's total. It's football immortality and legendary status in the history in the game. You can try and knock their achievements all you want but this is the one year teams ESPECIALLY Kerry will want to beat the dubs.

Kerry in transition won't be beating Dublin in the championship this summer. The four in a row Kerry team used around 20 players. Dublin in the last 4 years used over 40 different players in those finals, so Dublin's achievement has been done with teams and that 4 in a row Kerry achievement was with one team.

Sportacus

Monaghan exposed Dublin's only weakness, unsteady under the high ball into the square.  Often wonder would Mayo have won Sam if they'd put Barry Moran on the square in one of those replays and used him all day.   Also wonder why more teams don't do this to Dublin, when you think Kerry had Donaghy and didn't really use him.  Tactics don't have to be rocket science.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Sportacus on January 29, 2019, 06:48:41 PM
Monaghan exposed Dublin's only weakness, unsteady under the high ball into the square.  Often wonder would Mayo have won Sam if they'd put Barry Moran on the square in one of those replays and used him all day.   Also wonder why more teams don't do this to Dublin, when you think Kerry had Donaghy and didn't really use him.  Tactics don't have to be rocket science.

How many of the Dublin Full back line v Monaghan were All Ireland starters? Has there been an offensive mark in the last 8 All Ireland finals?

There are loads of great ideas of how to beat this Dublin team. But no one has done it in an All Ireland final in 8 years. Only Mayo and Donegal have managed it at the semi-final stage, and you would guess Dublin were at the early stage of knowing how to celebrate All Ireland wins and took both for granted before both games.

Barry Moran was just not good enough for the FF role against Dublin - maybe other teams but not Dublin. O'Shea has played there as well v Dublin and was lost, bullied and got nothing from various referees. Players could do what they liked against him. Pull, drag, shove. There was never a free or a Card. There was a blind spot there from referees.

Main Street

#282
Quote from: Dubhaltach on January 28, 2019, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 27, 2019, 11:24:31 PM
In relation to a black card offence, it's blatantly obvious that it matters where the infraction takes place. McManus upending a player on the ball, versus a provoked McManus upending a player away from the action is not the same officiating scenario in the GAA. Both Cooper and McManus were involved in an off the ball incident, a tumble in the grass. If the ref deemed it serious enough, it was either a yellow or red card offence. The ref dealt with the incident appropriately and in accordance with the rules.

As far as I know, there is no stipulation in either the 'deliberate pull down' or the 'trip' black card rule that the offence be on the ball or even that the offence be anywhere near the play.

Seamie O Shea got a black card half way through an All-Ireland Semi final even though the ball was nowhere near the incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soMVvRJCnvQ
Yeah fair enough, at least one  ref interpreted the black card in that way for an incident off the ball som 3 and half years ago. I would argue that this was not a literal interpretation, I'd say that was an incorrect interpretation. Id hazard a guess that most onlookers  would have expected the ref to give a yellow to O'Shea.  And it would also be reasonable to guess that Cooper had barged into O'Shea in an attempt to provoke him into a reaction just as he did with McManus  :) 
That was an off the ball altercation, O'Shea just reacted  but not cynically, a yellow card would have fitted that crime.
A cynical trip?  Rock's black card for the hand trip (once deemed deliberate).

seafoid

Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 06:28:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 29, 2019, 01:50:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 01:01:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 29, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 29, 2019, 11:44:12 AM
Seafoid's spot on. It's all about the 5 in a row. A number of the senior players will probably retire at the end of this season. Flynn, Brogan, O'Gara etc. It's not about adding another All Ireland to the total won, it's all about doing the 5 in a row and making history even though they won't/can't admit that in public. They're is enough bitterness out there already towards the team without adding unnecessary fuel to the fire.

Dublin didn't even send a representative to the official launch of the league this year.

No he's not spot on.  "Massive" year in the history of the GAA is getting caught up in the hype. Winning 5 in a row is just doing something that Kerry didn't. A bit of bragging rights. They will remain a good number of All Ireland titles off Kerry.

Flynn,Brogan great players at their peak though already fazed out and replaced in the starting team, are you serious by throwing O'Gara in there? Life without Cluxton; McMahon,O'Sullivan,McCarthy was seen last Sunday and they all have big boots to fill once gone.
I don't agree, Cunny.
GAA is not the same as English soccer.

5 in a row has never been done in either sport. There have been great teams but greatness has until now been confined to 4 in a row
If the Dubs did it everything would be different down in Kerry

Yet you used a quote from a former English football manager.
Great teams retains titles. Different era so can't compare and it doesn't look like Dublin this year have a challenger as good or focused as Offaly was in 1982.
It takes an exceptional team to win 3 in a row.
4 in a row is even more exclusive
It does look like the Dubs will do it but you would have said the same about the Cats in 2010.
They were very nervous

Sorry CF, but if the dubs win this year they do something no one else has ever done. Do you think anyone honestly will care this year that winning the all Ireland this year gets them 1 closer to Kerry's total. It's football immortality and legendary status in the history in the game. You can try and knock their achievements all you want but this is the one year teams ESPECIALLY Kerry will want to beat the dubs.

Kerry in transition won't be beating Dublin in the championship this summer. The four in a row Kerry team used around 20 players. Dublin in the last 4 years used over 40 different players in those finals, so Dublin's achievement has been done with teams and that 4 in a row Kerry achievement was with one team.

That may be so but in 40 years' time when curious 10 year olds are looking at the record books to learn about the past of the game they love there won't be any detail about how many players were used .
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

straightred

I see Smith got a one match ban for the eye gouging incident.