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#1
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 07, 2025, 11:57:17 PM
Does seem like a topic gets disproportionate airtime and rage... good distraction to get us to beat down on an invisible enemy. Don't think I've ever met someone who transitioned. Maybe I did but didn't realise! I understand the sports argument but all seems ott considering the amount of cases.. some swimmer in America and a very poor dart player...  its as as if our children are all in danger or going to get a teenage sex change... #moralpanic
#2
General discussion / Re: British State Collusion
February 06, 2025, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2025, 01:49:18 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 06, 2025, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2025, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 06, 2025, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2025, 12:39:12 PMNot collusion, likely inside info....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0206/1495057-clonoe-inquest/
War crimes - shooting dead men who could have been arrested...

Judge: "..said that no attempt was made by the soldiers to arrest any of the members of the IRA unit, even as they lay seriously injured and incapacitated either on the ground or in the cab of the lorry.
"He also rejected the soldiers' claims that the IRA members opened fire in the car park, saying they were "demonstrably untrue".
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 06, 2025, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2025, 12:39:12 PMNot collusion, likely inside info....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0206/1495057-clonoe-inquest/
War crimes - shooting dead men who could have been arrested...

Judge: "..said that no attempt was made by the soldiers to arrest any of the members of the IRA unit, even as they lay seriously injured and incapacitated either on the ground or in the cab of the lorry.
"He also rejected the soldiers' claims that the IRA members opened fire in the car park, saying they were "demonstrably untrue".

Not to make any controversial claims, all volunteers knew the risks of carrying out operations like that and went in fully understanding that the worst possible outcome would be death, for sure the government forces should be following  their own standards, and any breach of those should be addressed, the findings show a complete disregard of any attempt to apprehend these young lads, nearly all of who were younger than my kids.

Obviously given up as the SAS were waiting and I don't think there were any lives lost at the station?

You'd wonder what would have happened had they been given the option?  Would they have simply put the hands up or tried to shoot their way out.. Never know now.. Whats to come out of this? An inquiry?

 
Wtf!  Is clear. Could and should have been arrested. That's soldiers engaging in war crimes...



Its not a WTF post, I read the report just as much as you, and remember it vividly at the time, this was a dirty war, there are no niceties, I've also said they had a complete disregard in apprehending them or following any sort of lawful code of conduct. 
British forces were another arm of loyalism right back to colluding with the Glennane Gang in the 1970s... was more than a dirty war. Was the British state murdering it's own citizens, whether they were civilians or combatants that could have been arrested.
#3
General discussion / Re: British State Collusion
February 06, 2025, 01:41:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2025, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 06, 2025, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2025, 12:39:12 PMNot collusion, likely inside info....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0206/1495057-clonoe-inquest/
War crimes - shooting dead men who could have been arrested...

Judge: "..said that no attempt was made by the soldiers to arrest any of the members of the IRA unit, even as they lay seriously injured and incapacitated either on the ground or in the cab of the lorry.
"He also rejected the soldiers' claims that the IRA members opened fire in the car park, saying they were "demonstrably untrue".
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 06, 2025, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2025, 12:39:12 PMNot collusion, likely inside info....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0206/1495057-clonoe-inquest/
War crimes - shooting dead men who could have been arrested...

Judge: "..said that no attempt was made by the soldiers to arrest any of the members of the IRA unit, even as they lay seriously injured and incapacitated either on the ground or in the cab of the lorry.
"He also rejected the soldiers' claims that the IRA members opened fire in the car park, saying they were "demonstrably untrue".

Not to make any controversial claims, all volunteers knew the risks of carrying out operations like that and went in fully understanding that the worst possible outcome would be death, for sure the government forces should be following  their own standards, and any breach of those should be addressed, the findings show a complete disregard of any attempt to apprehend these young lads, nearly all of who were younger than my kids.

Obviously given up as the SAS were waiting and I don't think there were any lives lost at the station?

You'd wonder what would have happened had they been given the option?  Would they have simply put the hands up or tried to shoot their way out.. Never know now.. Whats to come out of this? An inquiry?

 
Wtf!  Is clear. Could and should have been arrested. That's soldiers engaging in war crimes...

#4
General discussion / Re: British State Collusion
February 06, 2025, 01:06:18 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2025, 12:39:12 PMNot collusion, likely inside info....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0206/1495057-clonoe-inquest/
War crimes - shooting dead men who could have been arrested...

Judge: "..said that no attempt was made by the soldiers to arrest any of the members of the IRA unit, even as they lay seriously injured and incapacitated either on the ground or in the cab of the lorry.
"He also rejected the soldiers' claims that the IRA members opened fire in the car park, saying they were "demonstrably untrue".
#5
General discussion / Re: TV Show recommendations
February 06, 2025, 12:11:05 AM
Two episodes to go on Landman. Very enjoyable, plenty action and gritty drama but great humour too...
#6
Don't know if this is dodgy post or not but looks like it is. The fake posts like this always accuse 'foreigners' .. far right scaremongering
#7
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 08:14:52 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 05, 2025, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 06:50:28 PMSo following the "logic" shared on this board, if Dissident Republicans had been able to oust SinnFein/IRA (at the outset of the peace process) they would have been completely justified in continuing the conflict and derailing the entire peace process

Interesting
Following your logic, if Dissident Republicans had ousted SF/IRA (as you call them... DUP speak!) it would have been their fault if the British then bombed nationalist areas killing 10s of 1000s of civilians.

No-that's not what I said

I said that if the path to peace in Northern Ireland had been upended by Dissident Republicans that would have been a perfectly legitimate move for some of the posters on here and they would have supported it (using their Gaza/Hamas logic as applied to their own situation)


Aye there are people here support the dissidents. If the British had carpet bombed nationalist areas as McCrea proposed, no-one would have said, you knew that would happen.. apart from you.
#8
How come he's not arrested if he went into the kebab shop? And why is the father videoing him and letting him walk away? Any father would put the phone away and go after him...
#9
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 06:50:28 PMSo following the "logic" shared on this board, if Dissident Republicans had been able to oust SinnFein/IRA (at the outset of the peace process) they would have been completely justified in continuing the conflict and derailing the entire peace process

Interesting
Following your logic, if Dissident Republicans had ousted SF/IRA (as you call them... DUP speak!) it would have been their fault if the British then bombed nationalist areas killing 10s of 1000s of civilians.
#10
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2025, 02:45:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 02:05:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2025, 01:51:53 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 05, 2025, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 05, 2025, 12:59:55 PMLads stop bickering.

We now have the orange anti human piece of sh1te going full Nazi "resettlenent" at the behest of the War Criminal GroßIsrael cnt.
They've made Gaza almost uninhabitable and are now starting on the West Bank.

Their"war on Hamas" didn't exactly work out when you see their men armed to tge teeth at the hostage handovers etc.

100%

Hamas retreated to their underground bunkers and used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields


Justifying genocide again....  "If you think the enemy soldier is in that town, kill everyone"... similar to Willie McCrea's proposal to air bomb west Belfast, Crossmaglen etc... ure bound to hit IRA volunteers as well.

I'm not justifying anything

Going in to this EVERYONE (with 2 brain cells to rub together) knew what the Israeli response would be.



I don't know anyone who has said the attacks on October 7th were ever going to end well, in the end. Not one person on here I don't think has disputed that. Maybe just maybe the Hamas view was take loads of hostages raise awareness and after a lot of bluster we can negotiate with Israel return hostages and get some back in return.

Your points Whitey are valid though on the outcome, it was going to be bad, but what a mostly everyone with a free thinking mind has said that the geocide that has followed is beyond anyone with half a brains comprehension.

Hamas and their predecessors have carried out multiple attacks over the 75 odd years, the response now from Israel is just barbaric 

Are you familiar with the death of Rachel Corrie who got run over by an Israeli military bulldozer?

I read up about it at the time and the default response by the Israeli military to a "terrorist" attack is to demolish the home of the families of those identified as being involved

I'm not (and I don't know how anyone could) justifying the Israeli response. I'm saying that it's almost 100% certainty that this will be the response.

Militarily Hamas/Hezbollah cannot defeat Israel. Everyone knows that.

So if you can't defeat an enemy militarily , why would you want to start an all out war with them?





Your response is not the response of a well man, I'm neither asking you or saying that there is justification, but telling me a random story is bonkers...

Genocide is happening and all you can do is say, well what did ya all expect?

The VC didn't have the military might of the US, the Afgans didn't have the military might of either the Russians or the US the IRA in both wars didn't either have the might to defeat the Brits but wars were started and ended with negotiation and while there was horrid atrocities  in all and the 100 other conflicts around the world, some common ground was met.

Stop talking shite

It's not a random story at all

https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/23/why-the-irish-support-palestine-2/

I think Christy Moore even wrote a song about it

It's 100% relevant to what's happened

EVERYONE KNEW WHAT THE RESPONSE WOULD BE
And still he justifies genocide... that's what years in US does to a mind...
#11
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 05, 2025, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 05, 2025, 12:59:55 PMLads stop bickering.

We now have the orange anti human piece of sh1te going full Nazi "resettlenent" at the behest of the War Criminal GroßIsrael cnt.
They've made Gaza almost uninhabitable and are now starting on the West Bank.

Their"war on Hamas" didn't exactly work out when you see their men armed to tge teeth at the hostage handovers etc.

100%

Hamas retreated to their underground bunkers and used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields


Justifying genocide again....  "If you think the enemy soldier is in that town, kill everyone"... similar to Willie McCrea's proposal to air bomb west Belfast, Crossmaglen etc... ure bound to hit IRA volunteers as well.

I'm not justifying anything

Going in to this EVERYONE (with 2 brain cells to rub together) knew what the Israeli response would be.

I never ONCE have said that the Israelis were/are justified in their response

I'm saying that ahead of time EVERYONE knew what the response would be


Which is justifying it... Israel solely responsible for genocide.
I won't accuse you of not having brain cells but of being another American apologist of evil Zionism.
#12
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 05, 2025, 01:21:11 PMIsrael is the one who uses human shields, time and time again.  They have forced civilians at gunpoint to enter areas they think might be booby trapped.

Moreover, whether Hamas does or does not use human shields is entirely irrelevant to the charge of war crimes. The charge of war crimes don't have built-in exceptions whereby it's OK to bomb hospitals and schools if you think there might be a "terrorist" using it to hide in.
Is best Whitey can come up with to justify genocide and his government funding it.
#13
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 05, 2025, 12:59:55 PMLads stop bickering.

We now have the orange anti human piece of sh1te going full Nazi "resettlenent" at the behest of the War Criminal GroßIsrael cnt.
They've made Gaza almost uninhabitable and are now starting on the West Bank.

Their"war on Hamas" didn't exactly work out when you see their men armed to tge teeth at the hostage handovers etc.

100%

Hamas retreated to their underground bunkers and used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields


Justifying genocide again....  "If you think the enemy soldier is in that town, kill everyone"... similar to Willie McCrea's proposal to air bomb west Belfast, Crossmaglen etc... ure bound to hit IRA volunteers as well.
#14
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 12:50:47 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 05, 2025, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 05, 2025, 12:31:08 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 05, 2025, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 09:42:05 AM2'simple questions

What did Hamas hope to gain by murdering 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 100 Israelis on October 7th?

What exactly did Hamas think the response would be?

The hysterical reaction to those two very valid questions shows me in your heart of hearts you all know that HAMAS (not the Palestinians) flat out wanted to start a war

And when it stated they retreated to their tunnels and left their own civilians to bear the brunt



So what you are saying is that Hamas should have kept taking their medicine, held in a concentration camp with no autonomy, no links to the outside world unless Israel gives express permission, all your food is aid as you are not allowed to develop anything like an existence for yourself because Israel controls everything that comes in and out of your "country" and all the while keep burying your friends and family on a regular basis as Israel takes the notion to shot or bomb them to "mow the lawn".

This was all before October 7th.

Also, you need to review those figures on what happened on that day as the IDF were also responsible for hundreds of Israeli deaths ala the Hannibal directive.

Nevertheless, the manner of the attacks on civilians on October 7th gave an excuse to the Israelis, apart from being wrong in themselves.
It certainly gave them an excuse to commit a genocide in the eyes of the western media, but Hamas aren't in the West Bank, how do you square that circle as they're still getting bombed to shít as well?

The IDF were murdering Palestinians on a regular basis long before Oct 7th, correct?


I was watching the news on the morning of October 7th

EVERY SINGLE COMMENTATOR predicted the following:

Massive ground invasion

Unprecedented number of civilian casualties

End game for Israel-nothing less than complete and utter destruction of Hamas

If every single commentator in TV knew what was going to happen so did Hamas

So again-for the one hundredth time what were Hamas hoping to accomplish by their actions on October 7th? (because they knew 100% what was coming-as did everyone else)


Blaming Hamas for Israei genocide is justifying that genocide... for the 100th time.
Israel murdered the Palestine population, not Hamas.
#15
General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
February 05, 2025, 11:31:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 05, 2025, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2025, 09:42:05 AM2'simple questions

What did Hamas hope to gain by murdering 1200 Israelis and kidnapping 100 Israelis on October 7th?

What exactly did Hamas think the response would be?

The hysterical reaction to those two very valid questions shows me in your heart of hearts you all know that HAMAS (not the Palestinians) flat out wanted to start a war

And when it stated they retreated to their tunnels and left their own civilians to bear the brunt


Hamas did not carry out genocide in Palestine.
Landgrab and murder of Palestinians was going on long before October 7th.. hopefully Israel and US will reap a whirlwind in the years to come for what they've done.

Still can't/won't answer the questions I asked.

Hamas wanted a war and they got one
Theres no question to answer. That wasn't a war. That was the slaughter of a civilian population and now a proposed imperialist landgrab. Your justification would have been similar to that of William McCrea who wanted to bomb the civilian population of Carrickmore, Crossmaglen, Dundalk and Drogheda in 1986 in response to IRA attacks.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/state-papers-dup-mp-william-mccrea-wanted-air-strikes-launched-on-the-republic-in-the-1980s/30867020.html