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« Reply #45600 on: July 28, 2022, 08:04:30 PM »
Would be a good idea to start the reserve leagues earlier, by the time the shorter evenings came in it would be a senior only fixture.


The reserves are one round ahead as they kicked off the week u20s were in final. But no reason they could’ve started another 2-3 weeks earlier and would be almost wrapped up by now

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« Reply #45601 on: July 31, 2022, 08:26:17 PM »
Fintona flying

Friday 5th August will be last Friday evening fixture

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« Reply #45602 on: July 31, 2022, 09:34:50 PM »
Where did you hear this? Still on website for Fridays
Fintona flying

Friday 5th August will be last Friday evening fixture



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« Reply #45603 on: July 31, 2022, 09:45:08 PM »
Where did you hear this? Still on website for Fridays
Fintona flying

Friday 5th August will be last Friday evening fixture


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Take it as gospel mate. Spread the word.

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« Reply #45604 on: July 31, 2022, 09:47:25 PM »
Yes the 5th will be the last Friday night games. There was an email going around earlier.

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« Reply #45605 on: July 31, 2022, 10:00:12 PM »
Division 3 is extremely tight at the top between the 3 teams but I don’t think Strabane will drop any more points looking at the remaining games.

If Aghaloo beat us and win all their other games then Strabane still have the better head to head on them.

We need at least a draw away to Aghaloo and obviously win the rest of our games.

We’ve done well to be in this position with Manies playing out in the states and Dan Lowe only back in the last week after being out injured for a good while there. I see Johnny Lafferty is back for Urney so that will now be a much tougher game for us on Friday night.

I also see that Fianna 3rds have conceded to Aghaloo tomorrow night so what way would that leave the score difference situation if all 3 teams were to finish on the same points?

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« Reply #45606 on: July 31, 2022, 10:05:05 PM »
Division 3 is extremely tight at the top between the 3 teams but I don’t think Strabane will drop any more points looking at the remaining games.

If Aghaloo beat us and win all their other games then Strabane still have the better head to head on them.

We need at least a draw away to Aghaloo and obviously win the rest of our games.

We’ve done well to be in this position with Manies playing out in the states and Dan Lowe only back in the last week after being out injured for a good while there. I see Johnny Lafferty is back for Urney so that will now be a much tougher game for us on Friday night.

I also see that Fianna 3rds have conceded to Aghaloo tomorrow night so what way would that leave the score difference situation if all 3 teams were to finish on the same points?


I’m nearly sure that would leave a playoff to determine the league winners. How they decide the pairings and fixtures for that I have no idea.

I wouldn’t be surprised to be see Fianna 3rds pull the pin on that team after this season. They are getting hammered by every team in the division at this stage.

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« Reply #45607 on: July 31, 2022, 11:16:03 PM »
Fintona flying

Friday 5th August will be last Friday evening fixture

So far in the league, played 12 won 9 and lost 3. Of the three defeats, that against Drumragh was the worst we've taken - those against Strabane & Stewartstown I felt coming away from both games that we were at least a little unlucky not to get something out of each of them. Drumragh had very much done their homework when they beat us but our lads bounced back well. Toughest win so far was against Drumquin which could have went either way. Wasn't at the game in Brocagh today but the scoreline suggests we won well, in the two previous games against Clann na nGael & Castlederg we didn't play brilliantly from the first to last whistle in both games but did enough to secure the points in both. Last five games are Derrytresk (A), Coalisland III (A), Brackaville (H)(whom we face in the JFC), Aghaloo (A) and Augher (H). Of them, I'd expect us to have at least a 50/50 chance of winning each of them except for Aghaloo, whom appear to be hammering everyone outside of the top three right now that's not called Errigal Ciaran. At this stage I'd hope we'd finish in the top 6 and secure a promotion play-off spot but I'd be wary of counting chickens - still it's a decent position to be in compared to where we were two years ago but I reckon we're still about two years away at least from being serious JFC & Division 3 league contenders. Certainly looking at the form of Eskra & Cookstown in the Division 2 league this year after winning promotion last year, I'd be wary of a gap in standards between Intermediate & Junior right now.

As to Friday evening fixtures, it looks like my source about turning to Sunday games for the league about a month ago was either (a) telling fibs, although he's usually very reliable on these things, or (b) jumped the gun with the dates, or (c) the CCCC decided to hole back. I'm not surprised at switching back to Sunday games at this stage though - last Friday night seen our game finish in very dull conditions given the weather, and getting two games played on a weekday evening will always be a challenge outside of June & July and even during those months where visiting teams have to travel a fair distance - it's a longer distance to travel from Dunnamanagh to Fintona than it is from Fintona to Clones!
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« Reply #45608 on: July 31, 2022, 11:32:35 PM »
I also see that Fianna 3rds have conceded to Aghaloo tomorrow night so what way would that leave the score difference situation if all 3 teams were to finish on the same points?
There's no link to the Tyrone CCC Adult football regulations for 2022 on the county website, but assuming they are the same as 2021, they're as follows...

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When teams finish with equal points for qualification for the concluding staged, or for promotion or relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

i) The outcome of the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s) in the competition
ii) The largest scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from the total scores for) in the meetings of the teams in the previous game(s)
iii) The highest total scores for, in the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s)
iv) Largest overall league scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from total scores for)
v) The highest overall league total score for
vi) A playoff

Exceptions:

a) In relation to means outlined in (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by playoff.
b) Regulations (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) shall not apply to Under16 or younger age grade competitions.

https://tyronegaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021TyroneCCCRegulations.pdf

So by my take, if three teams finished level on points at the top of Division 3 after 17 rounds (and assuming they're Aghaloo, Stewartstown & Strabane), then (i) would involve the three league meetings of the three teams only counting - if one team had defeated the other two during the season, then they would finish top. If all three teams had won one and lost one against each other, then it would go to (ii) and it would go down to score difference involving the three fixtures in question, and if necessary go on to (iii), with score difference involving all teams in the league only applying at (iv). The means specified would suggest that a non-affected team (i.e. Coalisland III) granting an affected team (Aghaloo) affecting the above would only apply at stage (iv), which I'd reckon would be fairly extraordinary circumstances were it to happen - which would in the end result in a play-off.

Edit: Working out what might happen if all three were tied based on current results & one future fixture...

* Stewartstown 1-13 (16) Strabane 1-10 (13)
* Strabane 3-12 (21) Aghaloo 1-15 (18)
* Aghaloo vs Stewartstown (to be played)

So with the above, if Stewartstown beat Aghaloo then they would have the head-to-head against both Strabane & Aghaloo and they'd finish top ahead of them, while Strabane would finish ahead of Aghaloo. If Aghaloo beat Stewartstown, then (ii) would apply. There would be some craic if Aghaloo won by three points against Stewartstown, because then each team would not only have won one and lost one against each other, they'd all be tied on a score difference of zero! So (iii) would then come into play. At present the scores for are Strabane 32, Aghaloo 18 and Stewartstown 16 - if Aghaloo were to score 15 points or more in defeating Stewartstown by 3, then Aghaloo would finish ahead of Strabane, but if they were to win against Stewartstown by 3 pts scoring 13 pts or less, Strabane would finish ahead of Aghaloo. If Aghaloo vs. Stewartstown finished 14 pts to 11 pts, then Strabane and Aghaloo would be tied on this metric! If I'm interpreting the progress of the tie-breakers correctly, this should mean that Strabane & Aghaloo would have to play-off for the league title given that overall score difference can't be used as Aghaloo were granted a walkover against Coalisland III, with Stewartstown finishing third - however I'm not 100% sure and knowing the ambiguity that our County Board at times get themselves into, it might be declared that because Strabane won the head-to-head league fixture, they are the league champions. If that happens, don't be surprised if Aghaloo (or any other team in that position, to be frank) go to appeal that decision.
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« Reply #45609 on: August 01, 2022, 12:18:02 AM »
Gareth Devlin Stewartstown played a powerful game for Chicago Parnells yesterday In Gaelic Park. He was playing along side Conor Meyler and Michael McKiernan among others in an nearly all Ulster team.

They beat McBrides who had several Mayo players on their team by a single point after extra time.

You can see the match on Chicago GAA Facebook page.

Next week they play in the Chicago finals against Padraig Pearses.


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« Reply #45610 on: August 01, 2022, 09:08:54 AM »
Gareth Devlin Stewartstown played a powerful game for Chicago Parnells yesterday In Gaelic Park. He was playing along side Conor Meyler and Michael McKiernan among others in an nearly all Ulster team.

They beat McBrides who had several Mayo players on their team by a single point after extra time.

You can see the match on Chicago GAA Facebook page.

Next week they play in the Chicago finals against Padraig Pearses.

Is there a North American championship to round the whole thing off? And are the winners declared the World Champs?

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« Reply #45611 on: August 01, 2022, 09:16:04 AM »
No just a team of well oiled bucks.

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« Reply #45612 on: August 01, 2022, 10:21:11 AM »
I also see that Fianna 3rds have conceded to Aghaloo tomorrow night so what way would that leave the score difference situation if all 3 teams were to finish on the same points?
There's no link to the Tyrone CCC Adult football regulations for 2022 on the county website, but assuming they are the same as 2021, they're as follows...

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When teams finish with equal points for qualification for the concluding staged, or for promotion or relegation, the tie shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:

i) The outcome of the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s) in the competition
ii) The largest scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from the total scores for) in the meetings of the teams in the previous game(s)
iii) The highest total scores for, in the meeting(s) of the teams in the previous game(s)
iv) Largest overall league scoring difference (subtracting the total scores against from total scores for)
v) The highest overall league total score for
vi) A playoff

Exceptions:

a) In relation to means outlined in (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be decided by playoff.
b) Regulations (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) and (v) shall not apply to Under16 or younger age grade competitions.

https://tyronegaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021TyroneCCCRegulations.pdf

So by my take, if three teams finished level on points at the top of Division 3 after 17 rounds (and assuming they're Aghaloo, Stewartstown & Strabane), then (i) would involve the three league meetings of the three teams only counting - if one team had defeated the other two during the season, then they would finish top. If all three teams had won one and lost one against each other, then it would go to (ii) and it would go down to score difference involving the three fixtures in question, and if necessary go on to (iii), with score difference involving all teams in the league only applying at (iv). The means specified would suggest that a non-affected team (i.e. Coalisland III) granting an affected team (Aghaloo) affecting the above would only apply at stage (iv), which I'd reckon would be fairly extraordinary circumstances were it to happen - which would in the end result in a play-off.

Edit: Working out what might happen if all three were tied based on current results & one future fixture...

* Stewartstown 1-13 (16) Strabane 1-10 (13)
* Strabane 3-12 (21) Aghaloo 1-15 (18)
* Aghaloo vs Stewartstown (to be played)

So with the above, if Stewartstown beat Aghaloo then they would have the head-to-head against both Strabane & Aghaloo and they'd finish top ahead of them, while Strabane would finish ahead of Aghaloo. If Aghaloo beat Stewartstown, then (ii) would apply. There would be some craic if Aghaloo won by three points against Stewartstown, because then each team would not only have won one and lost one against each other, they'd all be tied on a score difference of zero! So (iii) would then come into play. At present the scores for are Strabane 32, Aghaloo 18 and Stewartstown 16 - if Aghaloo were to score 15 points or more in defeating Stewartstown by 3, then Aghaloo would finish ahead of Strabane, but if they were to win against Stewartstown by 3 pts scoring 13 pts or less, Strabane would finish ahead of Aghaloo. If Aghaloo vs. Stewartstown finished 14 pts to 11 pts, then Strabane and Aghaloo would be tied on this metric! If I'm interpreting the progress of the tie-breakers correctly, this should mean that Strabane & Aghaloo would have to play-off for the league title given that overall score difference can't be used as Aghaloo were granted a walkover against Coalisland III, with Stewartstown finishing third - however I'm not 100% sure and knowing the ambiguity that our County Board at times get themselves into, it might be declared that because Strabane won the head-to-head league fixture, they are the league champions. If that happens, don't be surprised if Aghaloo (or any other team in that position, to be frank) go to appeal that decision.

Seems like it could be a real mess if it comes to scoring difference then.

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« Reply #45613 on: August 01, 2022, 10:44:11 AM »
Don't think it will come to this

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« Reply #45614 on: August 02, 2022, 01:00:18 PM »
Seen fintona play against brocagh at the weekend, handy side, mc glinn in full back a solid player. A fintona man was telling me that mc glinn is moving to Dublin for work next year and intends to try his hand at playing for a top team in Dublin, be a big miss for them.