What is the most likely future of Northern Ireland ?

[AustinPowers]

What happens to  the football if a ui is  achieved?

Will the lads  from the shankill  stand alongside lads from the Falls under  a flag of green? Or will The gawa end up following a now defunct Norn Iron in non-fifa affiliated tournaments against the likes of Yorkshire , northern Cyprus and the Vatican City?

[Rossfan]

The North would likely still have a separate international soccer team.
The "United Kingdom" has 4 international teams.

[seafoid]

What happens to  the football if a ui is  achieved?

Will the lads  from the shankill  stand alongside lads from the Falls under  a flag of green? Or will The gawa end up following a now defunct Norn Iron in non-fifa affiliated tournaments against the likes of Yorkshire , northern Cyprus and the Vatican City?

Rugby, hockey, cricket, golf , GAA and boxing all survived partition. Soccer should be able to cop on

[weareros]

What happens to  the football if a ui is  achieved?

Will the lads  from the shankill  stand alongside lads from the Falls under  a flag of green? Or will The gawa end up following a now defunct Norn Iron in non-fifa affiliated tournaments against the likes of Yorkshire , northern Cyprus and the Vatican City?

Rugby, hockey, cricket, golf , GAA and boxing all survived partition. Soccer should be able to cop on

They had valid reasons at time, but it was the FAI who split from the IFA. Both associations continued to represent the full island up until the 1950s with some players representing both until FIFA stepped in. I imagine in an eventual UI, that would be one of the concessions with IFA the ruling body from Belfast and a new national stadium, and rotation of games in Belfast and Dublin. Both associations are fairly pathetic so there'd be no tears for either.

[Farrandeelin]

What happens to  the football if a ui is  achieved?

Will the lads  from the shankill  stand alongside lads from the Falls under  a flag of green? Or will The gawa end up following a now defunct Norn Iron in non-fifa affiliated tournaments against the likes of Yorkshire , northern Cyprus and the Vatican City?

Rugby, hockey, cricket, golf , GAA and boxing all survived partition. Soccer should be able to cop on

They had valid reasons at time, but it was the FAI who split from the IFA. Both associations continued to represent the full island up until the 1950s with some players representing both until FIFA stepped in. I imagine in an eventual UI, that would be one of the concessions with IFA the ruling body from Belfast and a new national stadium, and rotation of games in Belfast and Dublin. Both associations are fairly pathetic so there'd be no tears for either.

Seems fair to me. Plus the IFA have a permanent seat on some rules makes board or other I believe. Win win.

[seafoid]

What happens to  the football if a ui is  achieved?

Will the lads  from the shankill  stand alongside lads from the Falls under  a flag of green? Or will The gawa end up following a now defunct Norn Iron in non-fifa affiliated tournaments against the likes of Yorkshire , northern Cyprus and the Vatican City?

Rugby, hockey, cricket, golf , GAA and boxing all survived partition. Soccer should be able to cop on

They had valid reasons at time, but it was the FAI who split from the IFA. Both associations continued to represent the full island up until the 1950s with some players representing both until FIFA stepped in. I imagine in an eventual UI, that would be one of the concessions with IFA the ruling body from Belfast and a new national stadium, and rotation of games in Belfast and Dublin. Both associations are fairly pathetic so there'd be no tears for either.

At the time of partition all of the clubs in the top Irish division were in the North because that is where the money was.

[armaghniac]

The North would likely still have a separate international soccer team.
The "United Kingdom" has 4 international teams.

No way this is going to happen. The UK having 4 teams is an accident of history, they are not going to allow the smallest of them continue if it is not in the UK.

[Rossfan]

When did you get the gift if prophecy maniac?

[Eire90]

a united ireland league would be good an an all  ireland  soccer cup  maybe they can keep the northern ireland cup (irish cup) maybe make it the ulster cup  i think if we get a united ireland national team they may have to be an agreement to play some games at windsor.

[sensethetone]

Would Irelands call be played before the match?

Maybe have Snow Patrol and/or The Saw Doctors come up with something new?

[grounded]

The vast majority of Unionists like EG will never vote for a UI,  no matter what the benefits are (Remember the GFA achieved only approx 56% of the Unionist electorate).   
    That is just a fact. It will come right down to the wire 50+1. That is why arguments for parallel consent are being raised now, by the likes of John Bruton and some within Unionism, they are an impossibility to achieve and a permanent barrier to a UI.
      As Weareros said earlier, but mistake to let either government define the terms of when a border poll can be called. I
   Thems not the rules in the GFA.

Ah, but what are the benefits?
      Sorry for the quote,
The 'shared island' offers considerable economies of both scale and scope, which if harnessed dynamically would outweigh the overblown static costs of subventions," says Ibec chief executive Danny McCoy.
         It's basic economics and you rightly pointed out some potential benefits below.

It ]s easy to point to negatives like higher income tax and higher medical costs. I work in the FDI sector and know for absolute certainty that US MNCs would set up operations in the north and create high value employment - but hard to prove that it.

I don't know how true it is, but I have often heard that NI has an extremely high percentage of public sector workers- will they all be needed?

Yep almost 200,000 employed in ps. We definitely need a more dynamic private sector, but I guess free from Westminister control new measures could be out in place such as lowering corporation tax,  encouraging industriy specialisation by FDI or European Union grants.
         I suppose to me Dublin is at the centre of everything in Ireland. Cork, Galway, Limerick haven't provided any meaningful counter balance to this. Why not Belfast? This will hopefully be partly demonstrated when the protocol is finally agreed upon( and it most definable be,when Truss stops the silly games).

One example that comes to mind is the FAI and IFA might have 40-50 employees each. I've no clue what the real figure is, but a new combined association will only need max 60% of the combined workforce. There will be loads of bodies/associations, etc in the same position - so do we fire the 40%, or keep them on and pretend there's enough work for them all?

  Listen the fruits of Brexit will be felt soon enough in NI. Expect huge cuts in public sector spending in the next number of years. That goes for jobs, health care and free prescriptions.

I think we have a few teachers in the 6 on the board. How do they feel about teaching the Leaving Cert? Big deal or no problem?

Who says it will still be the leaving cert?  Will have to be agreed. Personally I like the German/Dutch model

For me, everything about a UI is about potential, huge potential. And I believe that within a decade it would prove to be an overwhelming success. But a lot of the concrete, certain stuff is short term pain. That's not good for a vote. And if we lose a vote, it'll be a long time before we get another one.


That's the thing nothing has even been discussed yet? We have no idea what the model will be of Unification. Actually really exciting the changes that could be introduced

[tc_manchester]

Would Irelands call be played before the match?

Maybe have Snow Patrol and/or The Saw Doctors come up with something new?

Maybe 'To win just once'

[trailer]

The vast majority of Unionists like EG will never vote for a UI,  no matter what the benefits are (Remember the GFA achieved only approx 56% of the Unionist electorate).   
    That is just a fact. It will come right down to the wire 50+1. That is why arguments for parallel consent are being raised now, by the likes of John Bruton and some within Unionism, they are an impossibility to achieve and a permanent barrier to a UI.
      As Weareros said earlier, but mistake to let either government define the terms of when a border poll can be called. I
   Thems not the rules in the GFA.

Ah, but what are the benefits?
      Sorry for the quote,
The 'shared island' offers considerable economies of both scale and scope, which if harnessed dynamically would outweigh the overblown static costs of subventions," says Ibec chief executive Danny McCoy.
         It's basic economics and you rightly pointed out some potential benefits below.

It ]s easy to point to negatives like higher income tax and higher medical costs. I work in the FDI sector and know for absolute certainty that US MNCs would set up operations in the north and create high value employment - but hard to prove that it.

I don't know how true it is, but I have often heard that NI has an extremely high percentage of public sector workers- will they all be needed?

Yep almost 200,000 employed in ps. We definitely need a more dynamic private sector, but I guess free from Westminister control new measures could be out in place such as lowering corporation tax,  encouraging industriy specialisation by FDI or European Union grants.
         I suppose to me Dublin is at the centre of everything in Ireland. Cork, Galway, Limerick haven't provided any meaningful counter balance to this. Why not Belfast? This will hopefully be partly demonstrated when the protocol is finally agreed upon( and it most definable be,when Truss stops the silly games).

One example that comes to mind is the FAI and IFA might have 40-50 employees each. I've no clue what the real figure is, but a new combined association will only need max 60% of the combined workforce. There will be loads of bodies/associations, etc in the same position - so do we fire the 40%, or keep them on and pretend there's enough work for them all?

  Listen the fruits of Brexit will be felt soon enough in NI. Expect huge cuts in public sector spending in the next number of years. That goes for jobs, health care and free prescriptions.

I think we have a few teachers in the 6 on the board. How do they feel about teaching the Leaving Cert? Big deal or no problem?

Who says it will still be the leaving cert?  Will have to be agreed. Personally I like the German/Dutch model

For me, everything about a UI is about potential, huge potential. And I believe that within a decade it would prove to be an overwhelming success. But a lot of the concrete, certain stuff is short term pain. That's not good for a vote. And if we lose a vote, it'll be a long time before we get another one.


That's the thing nothing has even been discussed yet? We have no idea what the model will be of Unification. Actually really exciting the changes that could be introduced

If you offered the vast majority of Unionists £10k each they still won't vote for a UI. This isn't an economic argument for them. It's identity. The same way no Irishman would vote to become part of the UK. It's simply not going to happen.

[seafoid]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwellian_conquest_of_Ireland#The_Cromwellian_Settlement

In 1641–42 Irish insurgents in Ulster killed some 4,000 Protestant settlers who had settled on land confiscated from their former Catholic owners. These events were magnified in Protestant propaganda as an attempt by Irish Catholics to exterminate the English Protestant settlers in Ireland, with English Parliamentarian pamphlets claiming that over 200,000 Protestants had died. In turn, this was used as justification by English Parliamentary and Scottish Covenant forces to take vengeance on the Irish Catholic population. A Parliamentary tract of 1655 argued that, "the whole Irish nation, consisting of gentry, clergy and commonality are engaged as one nation in this quarrel, to root out and extirpate all English Protestants from amongst them".[39]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwellian_conquest_of_Ireland#The_Cromwellian_Settlement

In 1641–42 Irish insurgents in Ulster killed some 4,000 Protestant settlers who had settled on land confiscated from their former Catholic owners. These events were magnified in Protestant propaganda as an attempt by Irish Catholics to exterminate the English Protestant settlers in Ireland, with English Parliamentarian pamphlets claiming that over 200,000 Protestants had died. In turn, this was used as justification by English Parliamentary and Scottish Covenant forces to take vengeance on the Irish Catholic population. A Parliamentary tract of 1655 argued that, "the whole Irish nation, consisting of gentry, clergy and commonality are engaged as one nation in this quarrel, to root out and extirpate all English Protestants from amongst them".[39]

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