The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
Didn't watch it... Was stuck on the M2 coming home from doing a game up the country, fancied Ballygunner strongly, once they have gotten over the line in Munster recently they are will fancied, as you say NP will be no pushovers either and this will be a far tighter affair
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
S'neil should the progress won't be pushed around either and have been very unlucky not to win one, but they will have tougher games (I hope before that)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
S'neil should the progress won't be pushed around either and have been very unlucky not to win one, but they will have tougher games (I hope before that)
When push comes to shove Slaughtneil don't have the hurling at this level to win it
You need one if not 2 marque top level intercounty forwards to get over the line
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
S'neil should the progress won't be pushed around either and have been very unlucky not to win one, but they will have tougher games (I hope before that)
When push comes to shove Slaughtneil don't have the hurling at this level to win it
You need one if not 2 marque top level intercounty forwards to get over the line
Brendan Rogers outshone everyone last year
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 02:32:45 AM
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 02:32:45 AM
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Watson also scored 0-16 in the semi final against Na Piarsaigh. Very few teams, never mind Slaughtneil, have forwards who perform at that level. He was on a particularly hot streak that year.
Quote from: blasmere on November 08, 2022, 09:03:52 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 02:32:45 AM
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Watson also scored 0-16 in the semi final against Na Piarsaigh. Very few teams, never mind Slaughtneil, have forwards who perform at that level. He was on a particularly hot streak that year.
That game went to extra time so he'd have scored more too in fairness, he's prolific on frees also, so that helps build a tally, for the final though he was in the right place and fed brilliantly by the players around him..
S'neil are an all round team I'll say that but will have had plenty time to prepare with the footballers out and able to focus on the one code
Portaferry have been the best team in the Antrim league this year, maybe a year too early for them and Dunloy will been preparing for this game all year. so whoever comes out of Ulster it will certainly give them confidence going into the semifinals
Munster club hurling is on the rise though
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 07, 2022, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
S'neil should the progress won't be pushed around either and have been very unlucky not to win one, but they will have tougher games (I hope before that)
When push comes to shove Slaughtneil don't have the hurling at this level to win it
You need one if not 2 marque top level intercounty forwards to get over the line
Brendan Rogers outshone everyone last year
He certainly did and the Ballygunnar lads were glad enough to hear the final whistle last year whereas they've blown teams from more traditional counties in Munster out of the water, emptying the bench in the process.
I can't see the Ports having the physicality to live with SN on Sunday, they've plenty of speed in their forwards but won't have the space to operate in that they like, SN will suffocate them defensively and the Ports don't have a defender to handle Rodgers, they'll try Tom Murray, but he's not up to it.
I suppose Ballycran caught SN cold in Corrigan a few years back, can see wee Mickey making that same mistake again.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2022, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 07, 2022, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
S'neil should the progress won't be pushed around either and have been very unlucky not to win one, but they will have tougher games (I hope before that)
When push comes to shove Slaughtneil don't have the hurling at this level to win it
You need one if not 2 marque top level intercounty forwards to get over the line
Brendan Rogers outshone everyone last year
He certainly did and the Ballygunnar lads were glad enough to hear the final whistle last year whereas they've blown teams from more traditional counties in Munster out of the water, emptying the bench in the process.
I can't see the Ports having the physicality to live with SN on Sunday, they've plenty of speed in their forwards but won't have the space to operate in that they like, SN will suffocate them defensively and the Ports don't have a defender to handle Rodgers, they'll try Tom Murray, but he's not up to it.
I suppose Ballycran caught SN cold in Corrigan a few years back, can see wee Mickey making that same mistake again.
Ballygunner led from start to finish in that semi last year,this idea that they were glad to hear the final whistle is moral victory territory.
The reality is that Slaughtneil don't have the marque forward or a forward line to match the likes of Ballyhale,NaPiarsaigh or a Ballygunner
Never mind the fact that these 3 teams wouldn't know a football if it hit them,which is another weakness with Slaughtneil
You can't prosper at this level putting time into or playing football
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 02:32:45 AM
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Would you shtop. It happens regularly. Is your aunt trans ?
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 02:32:45 AM
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Watson was good but Rogers a step up
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2022, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 07, 2022, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
S'neil should the progress won't be pushed around either and have been very unlucky not to win one, but they will have tougher games (I hope before that)
When push comes to shove Slaughtneil don't have the hurling at this level to win it
You need one if not 2 marque top level intercounty forwards to get over the line
Brendan Rogers outshone everyone last year
He certainly did and the Ballygunnar lads were glad enough to hear the final whistle last year whereas they've blown teams from more traditional counties in Munster out of the water, emptying the bench in the process.
I can't see the Ports having the physicality to live with SN on Sunday, they've plenty of speed in their forwards but won't have the space to operate in that they like, SN will suffocate them defensively and the Ports don't have a defender to handle Rodgers, they'll try Tom Murray, but he's not up to it.
I suppose Ballycran caught SN cold in Corrigan a few years back, can see wee Mickey making that same mistake again.
Ballygunner led from start to finish in that semi last year,this idea that they were glad to hear the final whistle is moral victory territory.
The reality is that Slaughtneil don't have the marque forward or a forward line to match the likes of Ballyhale,NaPiarsaigh or a Ballygunner
Never mind the fact that these 3 teams wouldn't know a football if it hit them,which is another weakness with Slaughtneil
You can't prosper at this level putting time into or playing football
Someone should tell Ballyea, Cuala and St Finbarrs that. They've all got a good smattering of intercounty footballers in their hurling ranks.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 08, 2022, 12:42:14 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 02:32:45 AM
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Watson was good but Rogers a step up
That's nonsense. Rodgers is gifted but Watson was fantastic. What he did the year Loughgiel won the AI could be done by very few players north or south. Different level to almost any player that ever came out of ulster.
You're probably stirring though...
The Galway final takes place on the 20th. St Thomas' vs Loughrea.
2 of the clubs that brought a sizeable haul of all Irelands to Galway, namely Athenry and Portumna, are now in Senior B.
Between 92 and 2014 Galway teams won around half of the all Irelands.
Since then Ballyhale have won 3, Cuala 2 and Ballygunner and na Piarsaigh 1 each .
Will Ballygunner build on last year or will another team start something ?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1107/1333715-byrne-motivated-by-naas-and-kildares-hurling-evolution/
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 09, 2022, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 08, 2022, 12:42:14 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 02:32:45 AM
Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Watson was good but Rogers a step up
That's nonsense. Rodgers is gifted but Watson was fantastic. What he did the year Loughgiel won the AI could be done by very few players north or south. Different level to almost any player that ever came out of ulster.
You're probably stirring though...
I'm not honestly. Rogers is better all round. Better temperament too. It's only my opinion
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2022, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 08, 2022, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2022, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 07, 2022, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 07, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on November 07, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 06, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
The Gunners looked very slick against a beefy Kilruane winning by double figures and emptying the bench.
NaPairsigh up next will be a very different test. Get over that and it's hard to see them stopped in Munster.
There is no dominant club in Tipp. Tipp clubs tend to struggle in this competition.
6 winners in 6 years of the tipp club championship,kilruane won it for the first time in 37 years last Sunday week and weren't going to prove any opposition to ballygunner who have played in Munster the last 9 years
NaP and Ballygunner is the Munster final and possibly a decider for an all ireland place
An absolute cracker in store
Ballyhale as per usual are going to win Leinster with clough Ballacolla the relative dark horses again
It will be interesting to see what comes out of galway
Thbmases or the coming power based on juvenile results,Clarinbridge
S'neil should the progress won't be pushed around either and have been very unlucky not to win one, but they will have tougher games (I hope before that)
When push comes to shove Slaughtneil don't have the hurling at this level to win it
You need one if not 2 marque top level intercounty forwards to get over the line
Brendan Rogers outshone everyone last year
He certainly did and the Ballygunnar lads were glad enough to hear the final whistle last year whereas they've blown teams from more traditional counties in Munster out of the water, emptying the bench in the process.
I can't see the Ports having the physicality to live with SN on Sunday, they've plenty of speed in their forwards but won't have the space to operate in that they like, SN will suffocate them defensively and the Ports don't have a defender to handle Rodgers, they'll try Tom Murray, but he's not up to it.
I suppose Ballycran caught SN cold in Corrigan a few years back, can see wee Mickey making that same mistake again.
Ballygunner led from start to finish in that semi last year,this idea that they were glad to hear the final whistle is moral victory territory.
The reality is that Slaughtneil don't have the marque forward or a forward line to match the likes of Ballyhale,NaPiarsaigh or a Ballygunner
Never mind the fact that these 3 teams wouldn't know a football if it hit them,which is another weakness with Slaughtneil
You can't prosper at this level putting time into or playing football
Someone should tell Ballyea, Cuala and St Finbarrs that. They've all got a good smattering of intercounty footballers in their hurling ranks.
Neither the barrs in the last 40 odd years or Ballyea have won an all ireland or are likely to win one either in the foreseeable future
I referenced 3 teams who all have won all irelands
That's the level I'm talking about
Hurling clubs as in full time hurling clubs with at least one outstanding forward at a minimum and a fairly handy supporting cast of forwards win hurling club all irelands
Ballyhale have 7 club hurling all Irelands and 3 Kilkenny football titles
James Stephens have 3 club hurling all Irelands and 8 Kilkenny football titles
Some counties have exclusive areas for hurling and football, others don't. Club is more about getting a generation of players together.
Tipp have 1 club title more than Antrim. Wexford have 1 title less.
Quote from: seafoid on November 10, 2022, 03:07:12 PM
Ballyhale have 7 club hurling all Irelands and 3 Kilkenny football titles
James Stephens have 3 club hurling all Irelands and 8 Kilkenny football titles
Some counties have exclusive areas for hurling and football, others don't. Club is more about getting a generation of players together.
Would most junior clubs not win that lol
i see the kerry hurling club champions and other senior champions in some counties go into intermediate provincial levels but is their a way they can get their county to be promoted to senior or is it the case the county board know they are probably not good enough to play senior but could enter them into senior if they wanted too.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 11, 2022, 08:09:56 AM
i see the kerry hurling club champions and other senior champions in some counties go into intermediate provincial levels but is their a way they can get their county to be promoted to senior or is it the case the county board know they are probably not good enough to play senior but could enter them into senior if they wanted too.
I know in Armagh the senior champions go in to Ulster Intermediate and if they win Ulster then that club will have to play Ulster senior for the next 5 years if they get out of Armagh in that period
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 11, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 11, 2022, 08:09:56 AM
i see the kerry hurling club champions and other senior champions in some counties go into intermediate provincial levels but is their a way they can get their county to be promoted to senior or is it the case the county board know they are probably not good enough to play senior but could enter them into senior if they wanted too.
I know in Armagh the senior champions go in to Ulster Intermediate and if they win Ulster then that club will have to play Ulster senior for the next 5 years if they get out of Armagh in that period
I think it's the same in all provinces.
Not sure if the Kerry senior champions have ever won the Munster Intermediate though.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 11, 2022, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on November 11, 2022, 08:09:56 AM
i see the kerry hurling club champions and other senior champions in some counties go into intermediate provincial levels but is their a way they can get their county to be promoted to senior or is it the case the county board know they are probably not good enough to play senior but could enter them into senior if they wanted too.
I know in Armagh the senior champions go in to Ulster Intermediate and if they win Ulster then that club will have to play Ulster senior for the next 5 years if they get out of Armagh in that period
Down to 3 years now for a while I think...
The Kerry senior championship has improved, you only have to look at how well the senior inter county has improved, at club level though in Munster they are way off the mark, serious levels in most counties
Donegal senior hurling champions go junior in ulster. Even though the county plays at higher level than Tyrone, Armagh and Monaghan in hurling.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 11, 2022, 10:23:15 AM
Donegal senior hurling champions go junior in ulster. Even though the county plays at higher level than Tyrone, Armagh and Monaghan in hurling.
Cheating huers! Wouldn't follow the hurling a whole pile myself but Armagh seem to have fallen of a cliff recently. Nearly sure they were in 2A a few years a go
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 11, 2022, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 11, 2022, 10:23:15 AM
Donegal senior hurling champions go junior in ulster. Even though the county plays at higher level than Tyrone, Armagh and Monaghan in hurling.
Cheating huers! Wouldn't follow the hurling a whole pile myself but Armagh seem to have fallen of a cliff recently. Nearly sure they were in 2A a few years a go
They've won two juniors in Ulster and feck all on the National stage, so junior would be their level
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 11, 2022, 10:38:35 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 11, 2022, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 11, 2022, 10:23:15 AM
Donegal senior hurling champions go junior in ulster. Even though the county plays at higher level than Tyrone, Armagh and Monaghan in hurling.
Cheating huers! Wouldn't follow the hurling a whole pile myself but Armagh seem to have fallen of a cliff recently. Nearly sure they were in 2A a few years a go
They've won two juniors in Ulster and feck all on the National stage, so junior would be their level
I dont think winning an all ireland junior should be a pre requisite to going intermediate or nobody would go up. Only one ulster club has won all ireland junior-Creggan
And currently DL setup they are stopping other clubs within their county getting a go, there should 2 reps in DL-intermediate and junior.
Antrim- 3 teams(all grades)
Down-3 teams(all grades)
Derry -3 teams(all grades)
Armagh-2 teams(Intermediate and junior)
Tyrone-2 teams(intermediate and junior)
Monaghan- 2 teams(intermediate and junior)
Donegal - 1 team(junior)
Cavan- 1 team(junior)
Fermanagh-1 team(intermediate)
Walks like a duck etc
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Donegal senior hurling champions go junior in ulster. Even though the county plays at higher level than Tyrone, Armagh and Monaghan in hurling.
Cheating huers! Wouldn't follow the hurling a whole pile myself but Armagh seem to have fallen of a cliff recently. Nearly sure they were in 2A a few years a go
They've won two juniors in Ulster and feck all on the National stage, so junior would be their level
I dont think winning an all ireland junior should be a pre requisite to going intermediate or nobody would go up. Only one ulster club has won all ireland junior-Creggan
And currently DL setup they are stopping other clubs within their county getting a go, there should 2 reps in DL-intermediate and junior.
Antrim- 3 teams(all grades)
Down-3 teams(all grades)
Derry -3 teams(all grades)
Armagh-2 teams(Intermediate and junior)
Tyrone-2 teams(intermediate and junior)
Monaghan- 2 teams(intermediate and junior)
Donegal - 1 team(junior)
Cavan- 1 team(junior)
Fermanagh-1 team(intermediate)
Walks like a duck etc
How many teams are there in Donegal that are hurling at an intermediate level? If they were that good in the Junior grade they'd be having better results, the county team has come on leaps and bounds very recently, whether that trickles down to club hurling remains to be seen.
Won my last senior cup playing a Donegal team up at Kevin Lynch's, Ulster winter league, was tight enough
Naas beat Shinrone, the Offaly champions.
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Naas beat Shinrone, the Offaly champions.
Serious work going in at Naas, their juveniles play in the Kilkenny leagues, big effort.
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Naas beat Shinrone, the Offaly champions.
Serious work going in at Naas, their juveniles play in the Kilkenny leagues, big effort.
Yes, they have very strong underage teams coming through. Kildare would realistically need more of the other clubs pulling their weight to see the county team kick on.
Great excitement on KFM last Monday.
Ballygunner ran out handy winners when at the first half whistle it looked like only one team was going to win..
Be hard to beat now
Galway final a draw
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Naas beat Shinrone, the Offaly champions.
Serious work going in at Naas, their juveniles play in the Kilkenny leagues, big effort.
Naas seem to be putting in serious work at underage level, weve played them at carryduff and at lamh dearg in both codes recently, fair way to travel for u9 games.
Slaughtneil destroyed portaferry, conditioning and fitness they were miles ahead.
Where will the final v dunloy be held?
Quote from: Upandover on November 20, 2022, 05:07:18 PM
Slaughtneil destroyed portaferry, conditioning and fitness they were miles ahead.
Where will the final v dunloy be held?
TBC, either Athletic Grounds or Newry I would say
Quote from: Upandover on November 20, 2022, 05:07:18 PM
Slaughtneil destroyed portaferry, conditioning and fitness they were miles ahead.
Where will the final v dunloy be held?
Not be fair to portaferry they were missing two of their better players, who'd contribute to a lot of their scores.
They've had a decent season, S'niel are a few steps above them
Finbarr's continue Cork's poor form in this competition. It's not much better in intercounty. Next year will be the 18th year since Cork's last all Ireland.
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Quote from: Upandover on November 20, 2022, 05:07:18 PM
Slaughtneil destroyed portaferry, conditioning and fitness they were miles ahead.
Where will the final v dunloy be held?
Not be fair to portaferry they were missing two of their better players, who'd contribute to a lot of their scores.
They've had a decent season, S'niel are a few steps above them
Didn't get up to it, who was missing?
I see SN scored 10 points from frees, were the Ports a bit rash in the tackling?
S'Neil will still be favourites to beat Dunloy IMO, they are a serious hurling team. Will Dunloy have learnt anything from the previous encounters...
Quote from: seafoid on November 21, 2022, 08:01:44 AM
Finbarr's continue Cork's poor form in this competition. It's not much better in intercounty. Next year will be the 18th year since Cork's last all Ireland.
They'd probably have won that if they didn't lose Cahalane for a stupid throw of the elbow earlier on, they looked the faster of the two teams, Kelly was well marshalled wherever he went but Ballyea have been here before and know the routine to hold out even though the Barrs had a 65 chance to level (which didn't look like a 65 from the camera angle but the umpire had a birds eye view of it.) and it fell wide.
The likely winners of Munster were to come out of the other game just a few miles away in Limerick and it looked ominous for the Gunners in the first half, Na Pairsigh went full on in the physicality, hammering into the tackles and knocking the lighter, faster Gunners off their stride, the five point lead a h/t was well merited.
But what a second half, the Gunners were far crisper in their hurling, meant less rucks and they ran the legs off the bulkier Limerick lads to run out with a good lead in the end.
They'll take some stopping again this year and that game was at a very high standard for winter club hurling.
As good a club game as you are likely to see at any time of the year, the standard was pretty ridiculous.
Ballygunnar are a serious outfit and are a really good watch in terms of their system and style.
SN looking impressive again but hard to judge as Portaferry were poor. Not sure it will have set them up for the final the way they would have liked but still looking like the team to beat in Ulster.
Quote from: seafoid on November 21, 2022, 08:01:44 AM
Finbarr's continue Cork's poor form in this competition. It's not much better in intercounty. Next year will be the 18th year since Cork's last all Ireland.
Playing much of the game with a man less was surely contributory against scarcely-stellar opponents. Maybe justice served with that last missed 65 as I thought it was a wide ball initially anyway. Don't think Ballyea will trouble Bally'G much in the final.
Quote from: seafoid on November 20, 2022, 05:01:22 PM
Galway final a draw
Did it go to extra time or just close out as a draw after 60minutes? Most county finals will go to a replay but after extra time is played, no rush in Galway as this is effectively the last game before the All Ireland semis
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Quote from: seafoid on November 20, 2022, 05:01:22 PM
Galway final a draw
Did it go to extra time or just close out as a draw after 60minutes? Most county finals will go to a replay but after extra time is played, no rush in Galway as this is effectively the last game before the All Ireland semis
No, goes to a replay. Would have been harsh on Loughrea to lose, having led all the way until injury time. Very good tactically and application-wise, particularly against the wind in the second half, but will rue a few missed chances when finishing let them down after good approach work.
Clubanna na Gaaillimhe haven't won the all-Ireland for a while. Thomases + Peterswell have a big tally of county titles but only the wan all-Ireland.
Quote from: seafoid on November 21, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
Clubanna na Gaaillimhe haven't won the all-Ireland for a while. Thomases + Peterswell have a big tally of county titles but only the wan all-Ireland.
Thomas' were pretty close last year, better team vrs Ballyhale only to get caught with a TJ Reid free at the death where the keeper had an absolute mindfart.
Standard wise the Galway teams are always in the mix and not to be discounted to easily.
Where is Down hurling in the grand scheme of things in relation Ulster Club SHC?
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2022, 02:52:13 PM
Where is Down hurling in the grand scheme of things in relation Ulster Club SHC?
3rd behind Antrim then Derry at the top at the minute, the one thing S'neil are doing is raising the standard in Derry I'd imagine in club hurling, I know they have won well over the years but teams are raising their own standards to try and catch them I'd imagine
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Quote from: seafoid on November 21, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
Clubanna na Gaaillimhe haven't won the all-Ireland for a while. Thomases + Peterswell have a big tally of county titles but only the wan all-Ireland.
Thomas' were pretty close last year, better team vrs Ballyhale only to get caught with a TJ Reid free at the death where the keeper had an absolute mindfart.
Standard wise the Galway teams are always in the mix and not to be discounted to easily.
Winners ride their luck. Same with the Barrs. I also think the club thing goes though phases . Galway teams won around 50% of all titles from 92 to 2014. We had some great days out.
Since then, nothing. I think it may be related to the state of the county team, which is far more organised and has been since 2011, and regularly gets to semi finals, something that was unimaginable previously. When the county team was shite and never competed for the all Ireland, the club teams won loads of all Irelands.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1121/1337424-connors-clubs-must-up-their-game-to-catch-ballygunner/
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Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2022, 02:52:13 PM
Where is Down hurling in the grand scheme of things in relation Ulster Club SHC?
3rd behind Antrim then Derry at the top at the minute, the one thing S'neil are doing is raising the standard in Derry I'd imagine in club hurling, I know they have won well over the years but teams are raising their own standards to try and catch them I'd imagine
The dual thing impacts the Derry county hurlers more than the other two for obvious reasons hence why the strength in club hurling in Derry hasn't transferred to IC.
Fear will know better, but how far beyond the Lynches, Lavey and the Screen would SN be? Do they even get a competitive game in the Derry club championship?
Dungiven seem the closest from what I can see. Realistically Dunloy the strongest by a good bit in antrim so if slaughtneil better than them hard to judge the rest of derry. You'd imagine Dungiven at least would be competitive in antrim. Lavey seem to have dropped off.
I think Dungiven gave them a better game than Portaferry but I also think Slaughtneil *probably* prepare to peak for ulster.
Derry always has good hurlers in it. Maghera always competitive. It's just that they're all footballers too.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1121/1337424-connors-clubs-must-up-their-game-to-catch-ballygunner/
"They are compact at the back and they look to deliver the ball into space. All their players are hurlers and they can pop it back or wait until the right pass becomes available.
"The lads inside are always moving – they just keep running you until they break you down, always testing your own fitness."
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2022, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2022, 02:52:13 PM
Where is Down hurling in the grand scheme of things in relation Ulster Club SHC?
3rd behind Antrim then Derry at the top at the minute, the one thing S'neil are doing is raising the standard in Derry I'd imagine in club hurling, I know they have won well over the years but teams are raising their own standards to try and catch them I'd imagine
The dual thing impacts the Derry county hurlers more than the other two for obvious reasons hence why the strength in club hurling in Derry hasn't transferred to IC.
Fear will know better, but how far beyond the Lynches, Lavey and the Screen would SN be? Do they even get a competitive game in the Derry club championship?
1 Slaughtneil
2 Kevin Lynches
3 Banagher
4 Eoghan Rua
5 Screen
6 Swa
7Lavey
8 Na Magha.
Thats the order this year. Eoghan Rua will drop away off wihtin next 5 years. Banagher, Lavey, Screen, Swa will all swap up and down that order-Lavey very strong underage.
Slaughtneil miles ahead of Lynches. Bar them 2 everyone else either intermediate or junior Ulster.
If Derry got all their dual players playing intercounty they would put it up to Antrim, but alas.
Club hurling relatively ok. We were baeten junior finalists and last in derry and beat Down junior well and put it up to Donegal senor champs-could beat them on another day
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2022, 10:03:54 AM
Dungiven seem the closest from what I can see. Realistically Dunloy the strongest by a good bit in antrim so if slaughtneil better than them hard to judge the rest of derry. You'd imagine Dungiven at least would be competitive in antrim. Lavey seem to have dropped off.
I think Dungiven gave them a better game than Portaferry but I also think Slaughtneil *probably* prepare to peak for ulster.
Derry always has good hurlers in it. Maghera always competitive. It's just that they're all footballers too.
They did but it isnt always accurate to compare like this as time and conditions have changed-Slaughneil would be up a level now from Derry final-they have found another couple young lads too
Yeah I think they're peaking a bit more now.
You feel for them at the minute as there are periods in the last 10 years they maybe could have won the whole thing but Ballyhalle and Ballygunner are phenomenal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2022, 12:00:31 PM
Yeah I think they're peaking a bit more now.
You feel for them at the minute as there are periods in the last 10 years they maybe could have won the whole thing but Ballyhalle and Ballygunner are phenomenal.
Love to see them get to final , but it's very very tough this year
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2022, 09:53:18 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2022, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2022, 02:52:13 PM
Where is Down hurling in the grand scheme of things in relation Ulster Club SHC?
3rd behind Antrim then Derry at the top at the minute, the one thing S'neil are doing is raising the standard in Derry I'd imagine in club hurling, I know they have won well over the years but teams are raising their own standards to try and catch them I'd imagine
The dual thing impacts the Derry county hurlers more than the other two for obvious reasons hence why the strength in club hurling in Derry hasn't transferred to IC.
Fear will know better, but how far beyond the Lynches, Lavey and the Screen would SN be? Do they even get a competitive game in the Derry club championship?
1 Slaughtneil
2 Kevin Lynches
3 Banagher
4 Eoghan Rua
5 Screen
6 Swa
7Lavey
8 Na Magha.
Thats the order this year. Eoghan Rua will drop away off wihtin next 5 years. Banagher, Lavey, Screen, Swa will all swap up and down that order-Lavey very strong underage.
Slaughtneil miles ahead of Lynches. Bar them 2 everyone else either intermediate or junior Ulster.
If Derry got all their dual players playing intercounty they would put it up to Antrim, but alas.
Club hurling relatively ok. We were baeten junior finalists and last in derry and beat Down junior well and put it up to Donegal senor champs-could beat them on another day
Think Eoghan Rua were beaten by Middletown at the weekend after extra time, who'd be far and away the strongest team in Armagh.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2022, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2022, 09:53:18 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 21, 2022, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2022, 02:52:13 PM
Where is Down hurling in the grand scheme of things in relation Ulster Club SHC?
3rd behind Antrim then Derry at the top at the minute, the one thing S'neil are doing is raising the standard in Derry I'd imagine in club hurling, I know they have won well over the years but teams are raising their own standards to try and catch them I'd imagine
The dual thing impacts the Derry county hurlers more than the other two for obvious reasons hence why the strength in club hurling in Derry hasn't transferred to IC.
Fear will know better, but how far beyond the Lynches, Lavey and the Screen would SN be? Do they even get a competitive game in the Derry club championship?
1 Slaughtneil
2 Kevin Lynches
3 Banagher
4 Eoghan Rua
5 Screen
6 Swa
7Lavey
8 Na Magha.
Thats the order this year. Eoghan Rua will drop away off wihtin next 5 years. Banagher, Lavey, Screen, Swa will all swap up and down that order-Lavey very strong underage.
Slaughtneil miles ahead of Lynches. Bar them 2 everyone else either intermediate or junior Ulster.
If Derry got all their dual players playing intercounty they would put it up to Antrim, but alas.
Club hurling relatively ok. We were baeten junior finalists and last in derry and beat Down junior well and put it up to Donegal senor champs-could beat them on another day
Think Eoghan Rua were beaten by Middletown at the weekend after extra time, who'd be far and away the strongest team in Armagh.
Yep beat by 3 points few weeks back, MT into final after beating carrickmore weekend past-big physical team, they would do well in Derry league
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2022, 10:03:54 AM
Dungiven seem the closest from what I can see. Realistically Dunloy the strongest by a good bit in antrim so if slaughtneil better than them hard to judge the rest of derry. You'd imagine Dungiven at least would be competitive in antrim. Lavey seem to have dropped off.
I think Dungiven gave them a better game than Portaferry but I also think Slaughtneil *probably* prepare to peak for ulster.
Derry always has good hurlers in it. Maghera always competitive. It's just that they're all footballers too.
They did but it isnt always accurate to compare like this as time and conditions have changed-Slaughneil would be up a level now from Derry final-they have found another couple young lads too
Is young McAllister of Cushendall stock?
Remember talking to an old mate from the Dall at a minor game in Ballinascreen and SN were playing, but never made the connection.
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2022, 10:03:54 AM
Dungiven seem the closest from what I can see. Realistically Dunloy the strongest by a good bit in antrim so if slaughtneil better than them hard to judge the rest of derry. You'd imagine Dungiven at least would be competitive in antrim. Lavey seem to have dropped off.
I think Dungiven gave them a better game than Portaferry but I also think Slaughtneil *probably* prepare to peak for ulster.
Derry always has good hurlers in it. Maghera always competitive. It's just that they're all footballers too.
They did but it isnt always accurate to compare like this as time and conditions have changed-Slaughneil would be up a level now from Derry final-they have found another couple young lads too
Is young McAllister of Cushendall stock?
Remember talking to an old mate from the Dall at a minor game in Ballinascreen and SN were playing, but never made the connection.
Not sure but likely with that surname .
Well done Liatroim, they'll be in some mess tonight..
:)
Some fine hurling on TG4 at the minute.
Quote from: johnnycool on December 03, 2022, 04:10:01 PM
Well done Liatroim, they'll be in some mess tonight..
:)
Some fine hurling on TG4 at the minute.
Great to see. Hurling needs this kind of stuff
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Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2022, 10:03:54 AM
Dungiven seem the closest from what I can see. Realistically Dunloy the strongest by a good bit in antrim so if slaughtneil better than them hard to judge the rest of derry. You'd imagine Dungiven at least would be competitive in antrim. Lavey seem to have dropped off.
I think Dungiven gave them a better game than Portaferry but I also think Slaughtneil *probably* prepare to peak for ulster.
Derry always has good hurlers in it. Maghera always competitive. It's just that they're all footballers too.
They did but it isnt always accurate to compare like this as time and conditions have changed-Slaughneil would be up a level now from Derry final-they have found another couple young lads too
Is young McAllister of Cushendall stock?
Remember talking to an old mate from the Dall at a minor game in Ballinascreen and SN were playing, but never made the connection.
Not sure but likely with that surname .
A few folk about the locality with that surname and no links to the Glens. He's a Tirnony man.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2022, 06:46:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 22, 2022, 10:03:54 AM
Dungiven seem the closest from what I can see. Realistically Dunloy the strongest by a good bit in antrim so if slaughtneil better than them hard to judge the rest of derry. You'd imagine Dungiven at least would be competitive in antrim. Lavey seem to have dropped off.
I think Dungiven gave them a better game than Portaferry but I also think Slaughtneil *probably* prepare to peak for ulster.
Derry always has good hurlers in it. Maghera always competitive. It's just that they're all footballers too.
They did but it isnt always accurate to compare like this as time and conditions have changed-Slaughneil would be up a level now from Derry final-they have found another couple young lads too
Is young McAllister of Cushendall stock?
Remember talking to an old mate from the Dall at a minor game in Ballinascreen and SN were playing, but never made the connection.
Not sure but likely with that surname .
A few folk about the locality with that surname and no links to the Glens. He's a Tirnony man.
Does the Da answer to the nickname "Brains"?
Crokes going all out, nothing to lose at this stage
Fair play to them.
It must be so deflating busting your balls for scores then tj Reid nonchalantly sticking them over.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 04, 2022, 03:37:16 PM
Fair play to them.
It must be so deflating busting your balls for scores then tj Reid nonchalantly sticking them over.
Poor mistake by the keeper, follow the original flight of the ball, still in it though.
TJ looking slow for the first time
The difference between Ballyhale and kilmacud is the two keepers.
Agree about TJ this timing belt starting to slip.
Not long a new da which I would say doesn't help.
Kilmacaud put in some effort but looks like they'll fall short unfortunately.
Some effort from kilmacaud. Probably the best thing for Bally hale too in preparation for the ballygunner game.
Great game hard luck kilmacud thought they had the legs for a finish but mistake cost them dearly.
Croke Park factor is a great advantage for Ballyhale. Tj still able to distribute the ball very well and win dirty ball. But his swing has speed slowed a tad bit which is crucial at this level. I wonder what the age profile is for Ballyhale?
Quote from: seafoid on November 08, 2022, 12:36:17 PM
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Thomas's only won 1 all Ireland about a decade ago.
Sleacht could win an all Ireland in the future if the stars align eg a new Munster champion and Ballyhale beaten in Kilkenny. The mighty Loughgiel beat Coolderry in their second all Ireland win. Tiny margins. Imagine the glory on the way back to Derry..
Loughgiel won because they had Liam Watson who was as good as any forward in Ireland at the time scoring 3-7 in an all ireland club final
Do Slaughthneil have anyone comparable to him ?
No they don't
As for wanting the stars to align,that's in my if my aunt had balls territory
Would you shtop. It happens regularly. Is your aunt trans ?
Be a while before the stars align now
Great to see Dunloy winning Ulster
Quote from: seafoid on December 04, 2022, 07:10:26 PM
Great to see Dunloy winning Ulster
That's a Meh from me... ;D
The Ballyhale v Ballygunner game will be something else, its a bit of a trend now for Ballyhale to allow teams back into the game, last years final they did after storming ahead, the game yesterday was the same and even against S'neil in Newry they allowed the game to go to the wire when generally on top.
Fennelly is a monster of man, no pace now and getting on but still bullies his way in the game
St Thomas's and Dunloy will be an evenly matched game, similar type players so both teams will be confident
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1205/1340080-elliott-impressed-by-dunloys-true-grit-in-ulster-win/
All ireland club hurling semi finals to be played at croke park will clash with the world cup final.
Mol an oige agus tiocfaidh si
https://www.rte.ie/sport/camogie/2022/1207/1340531-boyle-eyes-more-glory-after-huge-ulster-breakthrough/
Their experience, quality and depth makes them a formidable proposition, however Loughgiel are in a really positive place, driven by a burning ambition to emulate the achievements of the hurlers, who have twice been crowned All-Ireland champions, in 1983 and 2012.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 08, 2022, 02:31:32 AM
All ireland club hurling semi finals to be played at croke park will clash with the world cup final.
Dunloy vs St Thomas's should be tasty for a place in the final.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1214/1341801-burke-weve-had-a-habit-of-not-showing-up-for-semis/
St Thomas's will do well not to take Dunloy lightly or there could be a shock (of sorts) in the offing. Dunloy won't be far away.
Ballygunner have improved IMO and slightly favourites against the Shamrocks and will be another cracking game.
Shame on FIFA for not moving the WC final but ITV+1 will have to do.
The bookies are giving Dunloy a +6point start..
That's a decent head start
The other game I'm not sure, if Ballygunner play like they did first half against NP then Ballyhale, despite their usual drop off in a game, will run out winners. Two cracking games and the World Cup will be second best
Ballyhale versus Ballygunner is the biggest match since Ballyhale versus Portumna
Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2022, 03:06:12 PM
Ballyhale versus Ballygunner is the biggest match since Ballyhale versus Portumna
Or Portumna v Newtownshandrum
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Quote from: seafoid on December 16, 2022, 03:06:12 PM
Ballyhale versus Ballygunner is the biggest match since Ballyhale versus Portumna
Or Portumna v Newtownshandrum
Yeah.
2010 featured Portumna, Ballyhale, Newtownshandrum and Dunloy.
Some great clubs have not won this competition. Thurles Sarsfields, Dunloy, Mount Sion, Patrickswell, Fenians, McQuillan, Clonoulty....
Mount Sion Dunloy were unlucky
But Thurles Sarsfields have been criminal
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2022/1214/1341841-shiels-were-not-silly-we-know-were-underdogs/
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 17, 2022, 05:32:39 PM
Mount Sion Dunloy were unlucky
But Thurles Sarsfields have been criminal
Tipp and Cork teams have generally performed poorly in this competition in the last 30 years.
Nip and tuck here. Ballygunner coping well enough with the high ball but are conceding goal chances but aren't converting.
Are Ballyhale fit enough to last the course?
Tj a lot of tape on hamstring and looking very slow.
Joey Holden, old school class ;D
Ballygunner keeper had saved about 3 certain goals, penalty now.
That goalie :o
O'Keefe having to do it all again
TJ succeeds, gunners fighting for their lives now
They shouldn't be. Missing too many.
So it's Ballyhale vs Dunloy
some amount of illegal 'handpasses' in the second game today. they were throwing the ball around.
Fennelly is some man to take the big hit then go to ground.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 18, 2022, 08:42:50 PM
some amount of illegal 'handpasses' in the second game today. they were throwing the ball around.
Fennelly is some man to take the big hit then go to ground.
Fond of the old head down and charge routine alright
Very impressed with Dunloy, werent phased by the occasion at all and probably could and should have won by more - I'd imagine that's something they'd need to work on for the final. Assuming they'll go in again as underdogs against serial winners Ballyhale; anyone more enlightened: have they a chance?
Is the final a double header with the football?
Google says the date is the 22nd of January walter so it must be. I thought it might not have been with the date the football semis are on but it does seem to be.
Dunloy are up against it general lee but you never know. If you foul against Ballyhale within 80 or 90 yards then TJ will punish you so they will need to be really disciplined. They would also need to be more accurate than they were yesterday. I would agree I thought they were great yesterday especially as that is probably the first time a lot of those players have played in a club semi final.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 19, 2022, 12:43:44 PM
Is the final a double header with the football?
Both scheduled for 22nd so I'd imagine so
Can't remember was last year's a double header or not
Pretty sure it was. Football was on 2nd and quite late IIRC.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 19, 2022, 01:51:56 PM
Pretty sure it was. Football was on 2nd and quite late IIRC.
Yes just checked, both were on Saturday 12th Feb
Serious effort by Tooreen thus far. Leading Monaleen 1-9 to 1-7 at half time in the intermediate All-Ireland final
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 14, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
Serious effort by Tooreen thus far. Leading Monaleen 1-9 to 1-7 at half time in the intermediate All-Ireland final
I assumed the Limerick v Mayo contest was going to go the same as Cork v Sligo but no.....
Serious contest here
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 14, 2023, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 14, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
Serious effort by Tooreen thus far. Leading Monaleen 1-9 to 1-7 at half time in the intermediate All-Ireland final
I assumed the Limerick v Mayo contest was going to go the same as Cork v Sligo but no.....
Serious contest here
Tooreen was always in with a better chance than Easkey. As i type Monaleen hit the front 1-14 to 1-13 with 5 minutes remaining.
1-17 to 1-15 it finished in favour of Monaleen.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 14, 2023, 08:09:44 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 14, 2023, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 14, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
Serious effort by Tooreen thus far. Leading Monaleen 1-9 to 1-7 at half time in the intermediate All-Ireland final
I assumed the Limerick v Mayo contest was going to go the same as Cork v Sligo but no.....
Serious contest here
Tooreen was always in with a better chance than Easkey. As i type Monaleen hit the front 1-14 to 1-13 with 5 minutes remaining.
1-17 to 1-15 it finished in favour of Monaleen.
Pretty decent game there. Toureen were close enough, just hit a few poor wides and posts when the game was in the mix and struggled to contain some of the Monaleen forwards in the second half.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/01/19/ryan-elliott-the-last-man-standing-between-dunloy-and-ballyhale/
Ryan Elliott, the last man standing between Dunloy and Ballyhale
Team co-captain relishing daunting challenge that awaits in Croke Park on Sunday
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Dunloy Cuchullains's Ryan Elliott and Ryan McGarry celebrate the final whistle. Mandatory Credit ©INPHO/Tom Maher
Ian O'Riordan
Thu Jan 19 2023 - 05:00
Ryan Elliott is sitting comfortably and musing about being the last man standing. Knowing well the full-frontal assault coming at him in Croke Park on Sunday, in the body and form of Ballyhale Shamrocks, there will be no escaping the attention on his position as Dunloy Cuchullains goalkeeper.
He has no fear of the obvious. Ballyhale scored 10 goals in their last four-match march through to Sunday's AIB All-Ireland club hurling final, the five-in-row Kilkenny champions eager and intent to amend for last year's final loss, beaten at the death by Ballygunner.
If it wasn't for that they'd be going for four-in-a-row All-Irelands.
So Elliott doesn't need any reminder: TJ Reid, Colin Fennelly, Eoin Cody, Adrian Mullen, and that's just for starters. Dunloy, as in their semi-final win over St Thomas' a week before Christmas, are rank outsiders and outright underdogs, only that doesn't unnecessarily daunt him in any way.
"It's a massive challenge, but we'll relish it," he says. "I don't know how many All Stars they have, but they are the standard bearers of club hurling, an unbelievable team. Every club hurler's dream is to play in an All-Ireland final, we're in that lucky position now, looking forward to Sunday, and what will be will be.
"It's one of those things, you can't focus on one man, like if you're fully focused on TJ, someone else will pop up and do the damage. We're no different, will do our match-ups, like they'll do their match-ups on us, and hopefully that all goes to plan."
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Elliott is speaking from considerable experience and not just his own: the family have long and close ties with the north Antrim village, several members of which were involved in the previous four All-Ireland club finals which Dunloy played in and lost — including his father Shane, also the team goalkeeper.
In 1995, Dunloy first lost out to Birr, after a replay, then the following year to Sixmilebridge of Clare. His father was between the posts when Dunloy lost the 2003 final, again to Birr, and again the year later when they lost to Newtownshandrum from Cork. His uncle Nigel, father of current forwards Nigel and Sean, played in all those previous finals, as did his other uncles Alistair and Jarlath Elliott.
There's an air of fearlessness about Elliott, co-captain with Paul Shiels, which is justified: he kept a clean sheet against St Thomas's and also the Ulster final win over Slaughtneil, the Derry champions and All-Ireland winners twice in the past.
Past experiences are there to be called on too, although never pressed, not even from his father.
"To be fair to him, he leaves me be, to be myself. Maybe from his past experiences, he kind of knows the craic, maybe he didn't want boys in his ear. But he's always good if anyone asks him for a bit of help.
"He knows the pressures, and all that comes with the game. The older players from before too, They'll talk anyway, tell you what they think, but not in a bad way. They might see themselves as a group, they could have maybe won one, but it wasn't to be, and they're still heroes about our club, no matter what. They won their first Antrim title in 1990, and what they've done since then has been unreal."
Indeed since that breakthrough win in 1990, that team co-managed by his grandfather, Dunloy have won 17 Antrim titles, including five of the last six. Getting past Slaughtneil in December has raised confidence considerably.
"Aye, and they like to remind you that they have two of them, but we're a different team after that. We were the underdogs going into the Ulster final, although we didn't see it that way, felt we were good enough to win, Sunday is a different day again, but we don't read into what the bookies say, or the media.
"We're obviously up against it in the final, six or seven Kilkenny [county] players, All Stars and All-Irelands, but again that's the challenge we're looking forward to."
Startling conviction
Getting into the final hinged in part on the split second Keelan Molloy took a short pass from Nigel Elliott, midway through the second half: the last thing that appeared on was a goal, only Molloy reckoned otherwise, racing straight ahead with startling conviction before unleashing his unstoppable shot. That gave the Antrim men absolute belief they could now win.
Another move like that and Ballyhale goalkeeper Dean Mason will be the one getting the attention: "He (Keelan Molloy) is one of the best hurlers in Ireland, without a shadow of doubt, and he can do that on any day, and I'm glad he's on our team.
"But to get over Sleightneil, that was massive, they're a phenomenal team, and the confidence we got from that, the shackles were off."
Elliott and his relations have ample experience playing in Croke Park with Antrim, namely in the successful Joe McDonagh Cup finals in 2020 and 2022, so the venue doesn't daunt him either.
Ballyhale, however, are formidable opposition: in winning their county title over James Stephens, the club remain unbeaten in knock-out hurling in Kilkenny now since October 2017, and are in a position to win All-Ireland number nine on Sunday.
Given all that and from where Dunloy come from, a victory, as unlikely as it might appear, would be one for all of Antrim hurling and hurling underdogs everywhere.
They have a chance, Paddy Power has them +8, I'll be taking that. Getting the match ups right and getting a big slice of luck will be important, Dunloy will be heading down on Sunday morning rather than staying over, I believe Glen are staying the Sat night, Dunloy will be sleeping (if they get much) in their own beds.
It would be amazing for the club to win, god knows they have tried so often, I think this team has a chance maybe not this year but certainly with the panel they have and age group they could get a couple of chances to reach another final or two after this one
What matters is a good performance and plenty of learning. If they win it's fantastic but if they don't they can finish the job next year. The club deserves an all Ireland.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 10:15:31 AM
They have a chance, Paddy Power has them +8, I'll be taking that. Getting the match ups right and getting a big slice of luck will be important, Dunloy will be heading down on Sunday morning rather than staying over, I believe Glen are staying the Sat night, Dunloy will be sleeping (if they get much) in their own beds.
It would be amazing for the club to win, god knows they have tried so often, I think this team has a chance maybe not this year but certainly with the panel they have and age group they could get a couple of chances to reach another final or two after this one
Some coin spent there lol. How far of a bus journey would Croker be for them?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 10:15:31 AM
They have a chance, Paddy Power has them +8, I'll be taking that. Getting the match ups right and getting a big slice of luck will be important, Dunloy will be heading down on Sunday morning rather than staying over, I believe Glen are staying the Sat night, Dunloy will be sleeping (if they get much) in their own beds.
It would be amazing for the club to win, god knows they have tried so often, I think this team has a chance maybe not this year but certainly with the panel they have and age group they could get a couple of chances to reach another final or two after this one
Some coin spent there lol. How far of a bus journey would Croker be for them?
2.45 hours? It's an 1.30 from Belfast
Alister and Shane Elliott aren't brothers, they're cousins so Alister isn't Ryan's uncle AFAIK.
That aside, it's a big ask for Dunloy against probably one of the best club teams ever, their record in Kilkenny, Leinster and in the AI series will probably never be bettered.
TJ may be in the twilight of his career and is still a handful, then you add Eoin Cody who's only getting going as well as Mullen then who knows if they can keep this run going.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 19, 2023, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 19, 2023, 10:15:31 AM
They have a chance, Paddy Power has them +8, I'll be taking that. Getting the match ups right and getting a big slice of luck will be important, Dunloy will be heading down on Sunday morning rather than staying over, I believe Glen are staying the Sat night, Dunloy will be sleeping (if they get much) in their own beds.
It would be amazing for the club to win, god knows they have tried so often, I think this team has a chance maybe not this year but certainly with the panel they have and age group they could get a couple of chances to reach another final or two after this one
Some coin spent there lol. How far of a bus journey would Croker be for them?
Stewartstown stayed on the Saturday night and i think Galbally did as well before their finals.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 20, 2023, 09:24:01 AM
Alister and Shane Elliott aren't brothers, they're cousins so Alister isn't Ryan's uncle AFAIK.
That aside, it's a big ask for Dunloy against probably one of the best club teams ever, their record in Kilkenny, Leinster and in the AI series will probably never be bettered.
TJ may be in the twilight of his career and is still a handful, then you add Eoin Cody who's only getting going as well as Mullen then who knows if they can keep this run going.
I still fancy the handicap of 8 points though, Dunloy need to tag every scoreable free they get, and they will win frees as Ballyhale do like the physical challenges, the extra game at Croke will have certainly calmed the club players in Dunloy who maybe hadn't had that run out in Croke, so some jitters there will at least have been covered, if the pitch is a problem it will create some extra rucks too, could be an arm wrestle for a bit then.
Stop the flow of ball into Cody, Mullen and of course that monster Colin and it could get interesting, though the bookies rarely get it wrong.
They got it wrong for the semi. Bookies tend to go for favourites.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1616157468702146568
I would love to see Dunloy in this but it is a humongous task. They would need a few goals and tend to be more a point scoring team. They have the pace to cause some problems but tj, Mullen , fennelly and Cody are just huge talents for a club match. If they can get the space from Bally hale that ballygunner got the first half then maybe there's some hope but you would still expect ballyhale by seven or eight. Dunloy would have been better off if Bally hale had won last year as that will fuel the,.
It would be great to see them win. Big ask though!
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 20, 2023, 01:18:55 PM
I would love to see Dunloy in this but it is a humongous task. They would need a few goals and tend to be more a point scoring team. They have the pace to cause some problems but tj, Mullen , fennelly and Cody are just huge talents for a club match. If they can get the space from Bally hale that ballygunner got the first half then maybe there's some hope but you would still expect ballyhale by seven or eight. Dunloy would have been better off if Bally hale had won last year as that will fuel the,.
It would be great to see them win. Big ask though!
Both finals feature a team that lost last year's final. Kilmacud are deemed to be chokers in some parts. Ballyhale aren't.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2023/0118/1349406-family-bonds-strong-as-dunloy-eye-all-ireland-glory/
The main thing is that Dunloy are back. A handy all Ireland is likely to present itself when Ballys Hale and Gunner fade out. Especially if the Galway hurlers continue to.perform and the clubs don't. Say a Laois team wins Leinster and a first time Clare team win Munster
Dunloy would be unbackable.
Its very hard to bet against Ballyhale, but for a goal in stoppage time they would be going for 4 in a row. However they did concede that goal in stoppage time and a lot of the team have serious miles on the clock, TJ, Colin fennelly, Joey Holden. There may be the odd weakness there. The longer Dunloy stay in the game the more nervous Ballyhale will become.
Dunloy are a serious side and have bulked up well in the last couple of years, they looked really well conditioned in the Antrim championship. They have a very good age profile and will be there or thereabouts for the next 5 years but that doesn't matter on Sunday.
I actually secretly fancy them on Sunday, I think getting the Slaughtneil monkey off their back was huge and now they can relax and open their shoulders and express themselves. When Dunloy got to their first final in 1995 they had the game virtually won on a terrible day in Croker, I see this game as something similar I just hope they can get over the line this time.
Ballyhale have far too many all irelands, they don't need need another, Dunloy to pinch it in the second half late on.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 02:54:00 PM
The main thing is that Dunloy are back. A handy all Ireland is likely to present itself when Ballys Hale and Gunner fade out. Especially if the Galway hurlers continue to.perform and the clubs don't. Say a Laois team wins Leinster and a first time Clare team win Munster
Dunloy would be unbackable.
:o
Dunloy are far from a given to get over slaughtneil in any year. If Ballygunner fade then np from Limerick are outstanding anyway. The Dublin clubs are getting much better in Leinster and even if Ballyhale don't win kk then whoever wins it won't be too shabby.
No such thing as an easy AI.
I hope you are right keep er low. Would be fantastic to see an Antrim team win it.
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 02:54:00 PM
The main thing is that Dunloy are back. A handy all Ireland is likely to present itself when Ballys Hale and Gunner fade out. Especially if the Galway hurlers continue to.perform and the clubs don't. Say a Laois team wins Leinster and a first time Clare team win Munster
Dunloy would be unbackable.
Neither of which will happen on their own never mind together
Loughgiel didn't beat Ballvhale the last time they won the all Ireland
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 07:00:26 PM
Loughgiel didn't beat Ballvhale the last time they won the all Ireland
And Coolderry were neither from Clare or laois either
They also weren't first time champions out of Offaly
they had completed a 2 in a row of county titles when Loughgiel bet them
The path to success is to win a few county titles on the trot and then ramp up your assault on an all ireland title year on year
Gregory O'Kane
https://youtu.be/EkmUFAcjNL4&t=140s
Quote from: clonadmad on January 20, 2023, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 20, 2023, 07:00:26 PM
Loughgiel didn't beat Ballvhale the last time they won the all Ireland
And Coolderry were neither from Clare or laois either
They also weren't first time champions out of Offaly
they had completed a 2 in a row of county titles when Loughgiel bet them
The path to success is to win a few county titles on the trot and then ramp up your assault on an all ireland title year on year
They beat napiarsiagh in the semi final who aren't exactly too shabby a team.
Good start from Dunloy. The goal was an important statement.
Dunloy have to take as many chances as possible. Ballyhale are not up to their usual standards so far.
Dunloy playing well here, ferocious stuff at times from them but some sloppiness/tardiness around the half back line giving the shamrocks easy scores. Fennelly's presence bothering them a lot.
Going long on the puck out isn't working for Dunloy, they need to be braver and work it out...
They also need to be careful not to get too many sucked under the high ball in to their defence as it's the Ballyhale runners picking up the breaks are the danger..
They're very much still in this.
Some of Seann Elliott's ball striking has been very poor. A few handy points left behind through poor striking or too slow to get it off.
They are still hanging in there . Everything to play for.
At least 6 balls either dropped short into keeper or hit aimlessly into space in the FF line with nobody within 40 yards of it. They'll kick themselves if they leave this behind them.
Only one point in it
Just like that it's a four point game :o
Dunloy doing great but Bally hale are phenomenal.
Ballyhale turned on the afterburners.
Dunloy fought like tigers but look like coming up a little short. They missed a few chances that could have put Ballyhale under more pressure but they died with their boots on.
E Cody on fire today.
Dunloy were missing scorable chances mid way through the first half, you can't do that at this level as very chance counts against a great Ballyhale team, They run 5 off without reply making a 2pt game look a easy game.
Cody just doesn't miss. A lesson in being clinical to a point. I think Dunloy will be better for this. Physical wise they have still a bit of development to go here. With it I would hope they would be a lot closer.
It's all about what they learn from this. If they beat Sleacht next year you never know
I find the different between northern teams and the southern teams is stick work and better striking ability from distance for points.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 02:46:44 PM
E Cody on fire today.
Indeed, very much the difference in the second half. Big shout out to McGarry in at full back, Ballyhale gave up in lobbing the ball in there and only pulled away when they started taking points from out the field.
Dunloy will rue the balls dropping short but a young team gave it a good shot.
Now to get back there
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 02:54:04 PM
I find the different between northern teams and the southern teams is stick work and better striking ability from distance for points.
Ballyhale are far more used to these types of games, Dunloy aren't and that's the biggest difference.
It didn't matter in the end but Adrian Mullen a miss for Ballyhale
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 02:54:04 PM
I find the different between northern teams and the southern teams is stick work and better striking ability from distance for points.
It wasn't a problem in the semi
What's the average age of each team? Ballyhale aren't going to win much more. TJ is not eternal.
Dunloy are back after a long hiatus.
All Irelands are all about dominant teams that rise and fall . Who else is going to be a threat in the next 5 years ?
Ballygunner, Ballyhale, St Thomas' and Sleacht dominated the last 4 or 5 years.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 22, 2023, 02:54:04 PM
I find the different between northern teams and the southern teams is stick work and better striking ability from distance for points.
The key difference today was the ball striking
Just before half time Dunlop hit a very poor wide when they had momentum
They also hit 3/4 short into the ballyhale keepers hand contrast with Ballyhale and their point scoring from distance
And also coughed up 2 points from their own short puckouts
Thought Dunloy did well for about 40 of the 60 mins but they had a bad run toward the end of both halves which was ultimately the difference.
Think they made a mistake pulling Coby and Keelan so deep late on. There was one stage Keelan hit one from miles out and it dropped short but there was one Dunloy man in there and four Ballyhale. There was four in it at that stage and only mins left so needed a goal but had nobody in there.
Ballyhale done quite well against the Dunloy forwards to be fair and completely nullified Nigel Elliott who has been very important all year.
Good age profile in Dunloy and they might get another handy enough one in Antrim but I do think Loughgiel and them are set for some big battles over the next couple of years. Some quality minor teams over the past few years and as those lads get older that's where Dunloy's next big challenge is coming from.
Fair play to Dunloy, don't know much about hurling but thought they gave a really good account of themselves today, always underdogs due to Ballyhales experience. Hope to see them back again next year, days like today will stand to them.
When you look at Dunloys scoring totals against Slaghneil 2-12, St Thomas 1-14 it was always going to need a decent increase on that to beat Ballyhale and it just didn't look likely, though they stuck in their rightly
Aimless balls into the FF line cost Dunloy today. And anytime they got the ball into space the forward was doubled up on and going away from goal
Thought Ballyhale looked a bit vulnerable when Dunloy ran at them and the few cycnical fouls stopped the Antrim men getting anywhere from that in 2nd half (but sure Kilkenny teams don't do that etc)
Also Fennelly for a big man falls over very easy to win a free. I actually think he has learned to trip himself
While Dunloy are receiving praise for their display yesterday, their negative tactics contributed to their defeat.
The withdrawal of the corner forwards into the middle third was obviously designed to reduce the Ballyhale threat and in the first half it appeared to be working to an extent as there was 2 points in it at half time, which should have been a point due to a very scorable chance down the right which went wide.
However, a lot of ball into one or two forwards was swallowed up by the Ballyhale back line and it was a case of robbing Peter to play Paul. In order to play that game you would need a big hoor of a full forward in the Colin Fennelly mode which Dunloy didn't have.
One thing I did notice was that Dunloy missed a lot of their picks, possibly due to the heavily sanded pitch and as a result Colin Fennelly picked the Dunloy full back line's pocket to set up the goal to put Ballyhale into the lead which they never lost. a ball which should have been cleared 20 seconds previously.
Dunloy were certainly not overawed by their illustrious opponents and Ballyhale knew they were in a game. However as mentioned by manfromdelmonte a lot of aimless balls into a one man FF line was never going to yield scores and in the second half several Dunloy poc outs went down the left wing which were closed down by Ballyhale.
Obvious that Ballyhale were aware of the threat posed by the likes of Keelan Molloy and closed off the running game especially in the second half when Ballyhale reinforced their half back line leaving it difficult for the Dunloy runners to attack, a tactic employed by Slaughtneil in the Ulster final a couple of years ago and by Loughgiel in the Antrim semi final a few years prior to that, where Dunloy had no answer on both occasions.
With 10 minutes left I felt that Dunloy needed to change their set up and go man on man because they were never going to get past the Ballyhale half back line. That never happened.
Definitely one that got away. I reckon Mickey McShane in Slaughtneil is chomping at the bit for a crack at Dunloy next season should Dunloy get out of Antrim which isn't a given depending on what Loughgiel bring to the table.
Plenty of the younger Loughgiel contingent on the Antrim panel this year which looks good for them as part of their rebuild. Cushendall, I'm still not sure about and its about time that Rossa and the Johnnies stepped up to the mark in the SHC, because let's face it neither of those clubs are going to do much in the football championship
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on January 23, 2023, 11:06:16 AM
While Dunloy are receiving praise for their display yesterday, their negative tactics contributed to their defeat.
The withdrawal of the corner forwards into the middle third was obviously designed to reduce the Ballyhale threat and in the first half it appeared to be working to an extent as there was 2 points in it at half time, which should have been a point due to a very scorable chance down the right which went wide.
However, a lot of ball into one or two forwards was swallowed up by the Ballyhale back line and it was a case of robbing Peter to play Paul. In order to play that game you would need a big hoor of a full forward in the Colin Fennelly mode which Dunloy didn't have.
One thing I did notice was that Dunloy missed a lot of their picks, possibly due to the heavily sanded pitch and as a result Colin Fennelly picked the Dunloy full back line's pocket to set up the goal to put Ballyhale into the lead which they never lost. a ball which should have been cleared 20 seconds previously.
Dunloy were certainly not overawed by their illustrious opponents and Ballyhale knew they were in a game. However as mentioned by manfromdelmonte a lot of aimless balls into a one man FF line was never going to yield scores and in the second half several Dunloy poc outs went down the left wing which were closed down by Ballyhale.
Obvious that Ballyhale were aware of the threat posed by the likes of Keelan Molloy and closed off the running game especially in the second half when Ballyhale reinforced their half back line leaving it difficult for the Dunloy runners to attack, a tactic employed by Slaughtneil in the Ulster final a couple of years ago and by Loughgiel in the Antrim semi final a few years prior to that, where Dunloy had no answer on both occasions.
With 10 minutes left I felt that Dunloy needed to change their set up and go man on man because they were never going to get past the Ballyhale half back line. That never happened.
Definitely one that got away. I reckon Mickey McShane in Slaughtneil is chomping at the bit for a crack at Dunloy next season should Dunloy get out of Antrim which isn't a given depending on what Loughgiel bring to the table.
Plenty of the younger Loughgiel contingent on the Antrim panel this year which looks good for them as part of their rebuild. Cushendall, I'm still not sure about and its about time that Rossa and the Johnnies stepped up to the mark in the SHC, because let's face it neither of those clubs are going to do much in the football championship
Hard to argue there and I'm sure the game plan was exactly that, contain Ballyhale's scoring threat and last 5/10 minutes push up, man for man if they were still in it. Ballyhale though tagged over 4 or 5 unanswered points in minutes to stretch it to 6 points then 7
Dunloy achieved two targets this year, getting to Croke Park and beating S'Neil, and when the dust settles and they look at it they will realise that its been a good year, some players were not fully fit some players were missing completely, so they have something to work on for the new season.
It should though ignite the other Antrim clubs who'll see it as a missed opportunity for them and a chance to get back there.
The road to Croker starts today for all the clubs up and down the country
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on January 23, 2023, 11:06:16 AM
While Dunloy are receiving praise for their display yesterday, their negative tactics contributed to their defeat.
The withdrawal of the corner forwards into the middle third was obviously designed to reduce the Ballyhale threat and in the first half it appeared to be working to an extent as there was 2 points in it at half time, which should have been a point due to a very scorable chance down the right which went wide.
However, a lot of ball into one or two forwards was swallowed up by the Ballyhale back line and it was a case of robbing Peter to play Paul. In order to play that game you would need a big hoor of a full forward in the Colin Fennelly mode which Dunloy didn't have.
One thing I did notice was that Dunloy missed a lot of their picks, possibly due to the heavily sanded pitch and as a result Colin Fennelly picked the Dunloy full back line's pocket to set up the goal to put Ballyhale into the lead which they never lost. a ball which should have been cleared 20 seconds previously.
Dunloy were certainly not overawed by their illustrious opponents and Ballyhale knew they were in a game. However as mentioned by manfromdelmonte a lot of aimless balls into a one man FF line was never going to yield scores and in the second half several Dunloy poc outs went down the left wing which were closed down by Ballyhale.
Obvious that Ballyhale were aware of the threat posed by the likes of Keelan Molloy and closed off the running game especially in the second half when Ballyhale reinforced their half back line leaving it difficult for the Dunloy runners to attack, a tactic employed by Slaughtneil in the Ulster final a couple of years ago and by Loughgiel in the Antrim semi final a few years prior to that, where Dunloy had no answer on both occasions.
With 10 minutes left I felt that Dunloy needed to change their set up and go man on man because they were never going to get past the Ballyhale half back line. That never happened.
Definitely one that got away. I reckon Mickey McShane in Slaughtneil is chomping at the bit for a crack at Dunloy next season should Dunloy get out of Antrim which isn't a given depending on what Loughgiel bring to the table.
Plenty of the younger Loughgiel contingent on the Antrim panel this year which looks good for them as part of their rebuild. Cushendall, I'm still not sure about and its about time that Rossa and the Johnnies stepped up to the mark in the SHC, because let's face it neither of those clubs are going to do much in the football championship
Hard to argue there and I'm sure the game plan was exactly that, contain Ballyhale's scoring threat and last 5/10 minutes push up, man for man if they were still in it. Ballyhale though tagged over 4 or 5 unanswered points in minutes to stretch it to 6 points then 7
Dunloy achieved two targets this year, getting to Croke Park and beating S'Neil, and when the dust settles and they look at it they will realise that its been a good year, some players were not fully fit some players were missing completely, so they have something to work on for the new season.
It should though ignite the other Antrim clubs who'll see it as a missed opportunity for them and a chance to get back there.
The road to Croker starts today for all the clubs up and down the country
Dunloy, historically play the two man FF line, but with the two lads centrally located, waiting to use the space out wide to sprint onto the ball, but for some reason yesterday when they did hit those spaces it was a Shamrocks lads sprinting out to it on their own. Hard to see from the TV why that was the case, but somewhere along the way tactics went awry.
Maybe it was Ballyhale pressure out the field, who knows!
Quote from: johnnycool on January 23, 2023, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on January 23, 2023, 11:06:16 AM
While Dunloy are receiving praise for their display yesterday, their negative tactics contributed to their defeat.
The withdrawal of the corner forwards into the middle third was obviously designed to reduce the Ballyhale threat and in the first half it appeared to be working to an extent as there was 2 points in it at half time, which should have been a point due to a very scorable chance down the right which went wide.
However, a lot of ball into one or two forwards was swallowed up by the Ballyhale back line and it was a case of robbing Peter to play Paul. In order to play that game you would need a big hoor of a full forward in the Colin Fennelly mode which Dunloy didn't have.
One thing I did notice was that Dunloy missed a lot of their picks, possibly due to the heavily sanded pitch and as a result Colin Fennelly picked the Dunloy full back line's pocket to set up the goal to put Ballyhale into the lead which they never lost. a ball which should have been cleared 20 seconds previously.
Dunloy were certainly not overawed by their illustrious opponents and Ballyhale knew they were in a game. However as mentioned by manfromdelmonte a lot of aimless balls into a one man FF line was never going to yield scores and in the second half several Dunloy poc outs went down the left wing which were closed down by Ballyhale.
Obvious that Ballyhale were aware of the threat posed by the likes of Keelan Molloy and closed off the running game especially in the second half when Ballyhale reinforced their half back line leaving it difficult for the Dunloy runners to attack, a tactic employed by Slaughtneil in the Ulster final a couple of years ago and by Loughgiel in the Antrim semi final a few years prior to that, where Dunloy had no answer on both occasions.
With 10 minutes left I felt that Dunloy needed to change their set up and go man on man because they were never going to get past the Ballyhale half back line. That never happened.
Definitely one that got away. I reckon Mickey McShane in Slaughtneil is chomping at the bit for a crack at Dunloy next season should Dunloy get out of Antrim which isn't a given depending on what Loughgiel bring to the table.
Plenty of the younger Loughgiel contingent on the Antrim panel this year which looks good for them as part of their rebuild. Cushendall, I'm still not sure about and its about time that Rossa and the Johnnies stepped up to the mark in the SHC, because let's face it neither of those clubs are going to do much in the football championship
Hard to argue there and I'm sure the game plan was exactly that, contain Ballyhale's scoring threat and last 5/10 minutes push up, man for man if they were still in it. Ballyhale though tagged over 4 or 5 unanswered points in minutes to stretch it to 6 points then 7
Dunloy achieved two targets this year, getting to Croke Park and beating S'Neil, and when the dust settles and they look at it they will realise that its been a good year, some players were not fully fit some players were missing completely, so they have something to work on for the new season.
It should though ignite the other Antrim clubs who'll see it as a missed opportunity for them and a chance to get back there.
The road to Croker starts today for all the clubs up and down the country
Dunloy, historically play the two man FF line, but with the two lads centrally located, waiting to use the space out wide to sprint onto the ball, but for some reason yesterday when they did hit those spaces it was a Shamrocks lads sprinting out to it on their own. Hard to see from the TV why that was the case, but somewhere along the way tactics went awry.
Maybe it was Ballyhale pressure out the field, who knows!
Plenty of video analysis done by club teams
The Dunloy game plan would have been well dissected
I was impressed with the battling for ground possession and the flicks and blocking of Dunloy. It kept them competitive throughout the game.
Also the pitch is a disgrace. In better condition for primary school games than AI finals.
It was even worse for the junior/intermediate finals last week
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 23, 2023, 05:01:23 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 23, 2023, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2023, 12:43:58 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on January 23, 2023, 11:06:16 AM
While Dunloy are receiving praise for their display yesterday, their negative tactics contributed to their defeat.
The withdrawal of the corner forwards into the middle third was obviously designed to reduce the Ballyhale threat and in the first half it appeared to be working to an extent as there was 2 points in it at half time, which should have been a point due to a very scorable chance down the right which went wide.
However, a lot of ball into one or two forwards was swallowed up by the Ballyhale back line and it was a case of robbing Peter to play Paul. In order to play that game you would need a big hoor of a full forward in the Colin Fennelly mode which Dunloy didn't have.
One thing I did notice was that Dunloy missed a lot of their picks, possibly due to the heavily sanded pitch and as a result Colin Fennelly picked the Dunloy full back line's pocket to set up the goal to put Ballyhale into the lead which they never lost. a ball which should have been cleared 20 seconds previously.
Dunloy were certainly not overawed by their illustrious opponents and Ballyhale knew they were in a game. However as mentioned by manfromdelmonte a lot of aimless balls into a one man FF line was never going to yield scores and in the second half several Dunloy poc outs went down the left wing which were closed down by Ballyhale.
Obvious that Ballyhale were aware of the threat posed by the likes of Keelan Molloy and closed off the running game especially in the second half when Ballyhale reinforced their half back line leaving it difficult for the Dunloy runners to attack, a tactic employed by Slaughtneil in the Ulster final a couple of years ago and by Loughgiel in the Antrim semi final a few years prior to that, where Dunloy had no answer on both occasions.
With 10 minutes left I felt that Dunloy needed to change their set up and go man on man because they were never going to get past the Ballyhale half back line. That never happened.
Definitely one that got away. I reckon Mickey McShane in Slaughtneil is chomping at the bit for a crack at Dunloy next season should Dunloy get out of Antrim which isn't a given depending on what Loughgiel bring to the table.
Plenty of the younger Loughgiel contingent on the Antrim panel this year which looks good for them as part of their rebuild. Cushendall, I'm still not sure about and its about time that Rossa and the Johnnies stepped up to the mark in the SHC, because let's face it neither of those clubs are going to do much in the football championship
Hard to argue there and I'm sure the game plan was exactly that, contain Ballyhale's scoring threat and last 5/10 minutes push up, man for man if they were still in it. Ballyhale though tagged over 4 or 5 unanswered points in minutes to stretch it to 6 points then 7
Dunloy achieved two targets this year, getting to Croke Park and beating S'Neil, and when the dust settles and they look at it they will realise that its been a good year, some players were not fully fit some players were missing completely, so they have something to work on for the new season.
It should though ignite the other Antrim clubs who'll see it as a missed opportunity for them and a chance to get back there.
The road to Croker starts today for all the clubs up and down the country
Dunloy, historically play the two man FF line, but with the two lads centrally located, waiting to use the space out wide to sprint onto the ball, but for some reason yesterday when they did hit those spaces it was a Shamrocks lads sprinting out to it on their own. Hard to see from the TV why that was the case, but somewhere along the way tactics went awry.
Maybe it was Ballyhale pressure out the field, who knows!
Plenty of video analysis done by club teams
The Dunloy game plan would have been well dissected
I was impressed with the battling for ground possession and the flicks and blocking of Dunloy. It kept them competitive throughout the game.
Also the pitch is a disgrace. In better condition for primary school games than AI finals.
It was even worse for the junior/intermediate finals last week
Lots of games played in Croke during December and January is always going to be an issue and wear down the pitch. Also a lot of hard frost during the week before the match. This is the downside of playing all ireland finals in the depths of winter.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41054768.html
Combination of a lot of fixtures and a new pitch being laid after Garth Brooks according to McKenna.
I don't know if the time of year is the issue at all - they've artificial light and undersoil heating systems on the go down there
It's June all year round for the Croke Park sod
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/07/ballyhale-shamrocks-dominate-selection-for-club-hurling-team-of-the-year/
AIB GAA CLUB HURLING TEAM OF THE YEAR
Stephen O'Keeffe (Ballygunner)
Killian Corcoran (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
Joey Holden (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
Ryan McGarry (Dunloy)
Kevin Molloy (Dunloy)
Richie Reid (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
Darragh Corcoran (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
Conor Sheahan (Ballygunner)
Adrian Mullen (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
Eoin Cody (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
TJ Reid (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
Conal Cunning (Dunloy)
Colin Fennelly (Ballyhale Shamrocks)
Patrick Fitzgerald (Ballygunner)