Hurling championship 2018

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Zulu

That's not how advantage works. Don't think he was fouled anyway and should have been blown for overcarrying.

macdanger2

Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

Not sure how the rule is in hurling but in football, if you foul the ball during the advantage, it's a free against you AFAIK. Stupid rule though, the original free should stand

imtommygunn

Derek mcgrath resigned tonight i hear.


johnnycool

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 18, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

Not sure how the rule is in hurling but in football, if you foul the ball during the advantage, it's a free against you AFAIK. Stupid rule though, the original free should stand

Within 5 seconds the original free stands if you foul the ball, outside that the advantage is over and normal rules apply. Fouling the ball will result in a free against you.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.
Advantage acrues
So if he was slapped by the hurley there was an advantage for that

Never heard of that one before.

So what you're saying is that Harnedy because he was slapped was allowed to overcarry or are you saying the once he was slapped his step count was reset to 0 and allowed to take another 4 steps irrespective of the 3 he'd already taken pre slap???
Don't think either are in the rule book.

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 18, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

Not sure how the rule is in hurling but in football, if you foul the ball during the advantage, it's a free against you AFAIK. Stupid rule though, the original free should stand

Within 5 seconds the original free stands if you foul the ball, outside that the advantage is over and normal rules apply. Fouling the ball will result in a free against you.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.
Advantage acrues
So if he was slapped by the hurley there was an advantage for that

Never heard of that one before.

So what you're saying is that Harnedy because he was slapped was allowed to overcarry or are you saying the once he was slapped his step count was reset to 0 and allowed to take another 4 steps irrespective of the 3 he'd already taken pre slap???
Don't think either are in the rule book.
the foul would be from where the slap was given
but county referees seem to be giving the players another 4 steps with the ball as an extra advantage
it has happened in a number of games this year during the league and championship

johnnycool

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 18, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

Not sure how the rule is in hurling but in football, if you foul the ball during the advantage, it's a free against you AFAIK. Stupid rule though, the original free should stand

Within 5 seconds the original free stands if you foul the ball, outside that the advantage is over and normal rules apply. Fouling the ball will result in a free against you.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.
Advantage acrues
So if he was slapped by the hurley there was an advantage for that

Never heard of that one before.

So what you're saying is that Harnedy because he was slapped was allowed to overcarry or are you saying the once he was slapped his step count was reset to 0 and allowed to take another 4 steps irrespective of the 3 he'd already taken pre slap???
Don't think either are in the rule book.
the foul would be from where the slap was given
but county referees seem to be giving the players another 4 steps with the ball as an extra advantage
it has happened in a number of games this year during the league and championship

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but its certainly not in the rulebook, but that's never an issue in hurling as the rulebook is seldom adhered to.

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 18, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

Not sure how the rule is in hurling but in football, if you foul the ball during the advantage, it's a free against you AFAIK. Stupid rule though, the original free should stand

Within 5 seconds the original free stands if you foul the ball, outside that the advantage is over and normal rules apply. Fouling the ball will result in a free against you.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.
Advantage acrues
So if he was slapped by the hurley there was an advantage for that

Never heard of that one before.

So what you're saying is that Harnedy because he was slapped was allowed to overcarry or are you saying the once he was slapped his step count was reset to 0 and allowed to take another 4 steps irrespective of the 3 he'd already taken pre slap???
Don't think either are in the rule book.
the foul would be from where the slap was given
but county referees seem to be giving the players another 4 steps with the ball as an extra advantage
it has happened in a number of games this year during the league and championship

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but its certainly not in the rulebook, but that's never an issue in hurling as the rulebook is seldom adhered to.
Cody and the boys have their own rulebook

johnnycool

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 18, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

Not sure how the rule is in hurling but in football, if you foul the ball during the advantage, it's a free against you AFAIK. Stupid rule though, the original free should stand

Within 5 seconds the original free stands if you foul the ball, outside that the advantage is over and normal rules apply. Fouling the ball will result in a free against you.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.
Advantage acrues
So if he was slapped by the hurley there was an advantage for that

Never heard of that one before.

So what you're saying is that Harnedy because he was slapped was allowed to overcarry or are you saying the once he was slapped his step count was reset to 0 and allowed to take another 4 steps irrespective of the 3 he'd already taken pre slap???
Don't think either are in the rule book.
the foul would be from where the slap was given
but county referees seem to be giving the players another 4 steps with the ball as an extra advantage
it has happened in a number of games this year during the league and championship

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but its certainly not in the rulebook, but that's never an issue in hurling as the rulebook is seldom adhered to.
Cody and the boys have their own rulebook

If Galway give KK a good schalaking in every sense of the word in the upcoming Leinster final then I can see Eddie Keher being wheeled out to complain about Galways physicality...

KK don't have the physical power they once had and Galway should let them know it as they've been on the receiving end when the shoe was on the other foot.

seafoid

Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 10:33:28 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 19, 2018, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 19, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 18, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

Not sure how the rule is in hurling but in football, if you foul the ball during the advantage, it's a free against you AFAIK. Stupid rule though, the original free should stand

Within 5 seconds the original free stands if you foul the ball, outside that the advantage is over and normal rules apply. Fouling the ball will result in a free against you.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.
Advantage acrues
So if he was slapped by the hurley there was an advantage for that

Never heard of that one before.

So what you're saying is that Harnedy because he was slapped was allowed to overcarry or are you saying the once he was slapped his step count was reset to 0 and allowed to take another 4 steps irrespective of the 3 he'd already taken pre slap???
Don't think either are in the rule book.
the foul would be from where the slap was given
but county referees seem to be giving the players another 4 steps with the ball as an extra advantage
it has happened in a number of games this year during the league and championship

I'm not saying it doesn't happen but its certainly not in the rulebook, but that's never an issue in hurling as the rulebook is seldom adhered to.
Cody and the boys have their own rulebook

If Galway give KK a good schalaking in every sense of the word in the upcoming Leinster final then I can see Eddie Keher being wheeled out to complain about Galways physicality...

KK don't have the physical power they once had and Galway should let them know it as they've been on the receiving end when the shoe was on the other foot.
I don't know. Maybe they would just take their beating. I think they know they have work to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYj-24PmwsE&t=54s

KK have been wondering when Galway would show up for a number of years


"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU


Rossfan

Serious question for the hurley folks -
Now that they've been played what are ye're thoughts or observations  on the 2 Provincial Round Robins and the Joe McDonagh?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

AZOffaly

Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2018, 11:25:03 AM
Serious question for the hurley folks -
Now that they've been played what are ye're thoughts or observations  on the 2 Provincial Round Robins and the Joe McDonagh?

I really enjoyed the Munster provincial championship. The relative equality of the teams made for some very exciting and close games. I do think they need to build in an off week so that one team doesn't play 4 weeks in a row like Tipp and Waterford had to. (actually not sure about Waterford, but I think they were off the first week).


seafoid

Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2018, 11:25:03 AM
Serious question for the hurley folks -
Now that they've been played what are ye're thoughts or observations  on the 2 Provincial Round Robins and the Joe McDonagh?
They need some sort of break in the middle.
The JoeMcDonagh is a big improvementioned especially with promotion. Maybe less fair on Leinster regarding relegation.
Overall I think the reforms have been good. 
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Ball Hopper

Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2018, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 20, 2018, 11:25:03 AM
Serious question for the hurley folks -
Now that they've been played what are ye're thoughts or observations  on the 2 Provincial Round Robins and the Joe McDonagh?
They need some sort of break in the middle.
The JoeMcDonagh is a big improvementioned especially with promotion. Maybe less fair on Leinster regarding relegation.
Overall I think the reforms have been good.

The relegation issue could be sorted by having bottom team in Leinster play bottom team in Munster to see who goes down.  Joe McDonagh champion would then have to join the province from which the relegated team came from - that might be an issue.

The Joe McDonagh had several tight, high-scoring games but never made any highlights on TSG.  Surely they could feature extended highlights in a longer mid-week show.  Although I have to admit I don't like the highlights on TSG, one gets no sense of how the game is going if you don't see the wides, the fluffed sideline cuts, and the odd refereeing decisions that make up the game.