The SDLP

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charlieTully

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Quote from: Applesisapples on September 10, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
Margaret Ritchie to enter the lords. Jesus wept, I know the SDLP are sore at having no MP's and I know that she has technically resigned. But HTF on principle can any Irish Nationalist join the lords?

the SDLP are not Irish nationalists, they take an oath of allegiance to lizzy windsor and doth the cap to their english overlords in Westminster.

Jim Bob

Quote from: Applesisapples on September 10, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
Margaret Ritchie to enter the lords. Jesus wept, I know the SDLP are sore at having no MP's and I know that she has technically resigned. But HTF on principle can any Irish Nationalist join the lords?

HTF can any nationalist administer British Rule in Ireland , dine with the Queen etc etc

Eamonnca1

Quote from: charlieTully on September 10, 2019, 04:24:45 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 10, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
Margaret Ritchie to enter the lords. Jesus wept, I know the SDLP are sore at having no MP's and I know that she has technically resigned. But HTF on principle can any Irish Nationalist join the lords?

the SDLP are not Irish nationalists, they take an oath of an allegiance to lizzy windsor and doth the cap to their english overlords in Westminster.

In that case you'd better take down Parnell's statue from O'Connell St and rename it back to Sackville St.

Jim Bob

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
OK, it's about time this was brought to a head on here...

Can someone point out to me an authoritative link on the internet that clearly defines whom or what an Irish nationalist is, or indeed what is considered to be a baseline as to whom can be labelled "Irish" and those that can't?
Otherwise, can someone give a list of bullet points of what the criteria should be along with an explanation for each one as to why it is the case and if necessary why it is unique to Irish nationalism as opposed to other forms of nationalism in Europe or elsewhere.
The last bit there is important IMHO, as if someone can't be an Irish nationalist because they take up a seat at either house in Westminster, does the same criteria apply to those affiliated to the SNP or Plaid Cymru for Scottish and Welsh nationalism respectively?

Some people would have it you  weren't an Irishman if you criticised the Provisional IRA

omaghjoe

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on September 10, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
OK, it's about time this was brought to a head on here...

Can someone point out to me an authoritative link on the internet that clearly defines whom or what an Irish nationalist is, or indeed what is considered to be a baseline as to whom can be labelled "Irish" and those that can't?
Otherwise, can someone give a list of bullet points of what the criteria should be along with an explanation for each one as to why it is the case and if necessary why it is unique to Irish nationalism as opposed to other forms of nationalism in Europe or elsewhere.
The last bit there is important IMHO, as if someone can't be an Irish nationalist because they take up a seat at either house in Westminster, does the same criteria apply to those affiliated to the SNP or Plaid Cymru for Scottish and Welsh nationalism respectively?

Might be slightly different as in their current vision of sovereign Independence  they envisage the crown as the head of state

playwiththewind1st

Quote from: Applesisapples on September 10, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
Margaret Ritchie to enter the lords. Jesus wept, I know the SDLP are sore at having no MP's and I know that she has technically resigned. But HTF on principle can any Irish Nationalist join the lords?

Presumably Baroness O'Loan had already been peddlng an SDLP type line in the Lords, given her connections?

trailer

Quote from: johnnycool on September 10, 2019, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 10, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
Margaret Ritchie to enter the lords. Jesus wept, I know the SDLP are sore at having no MP's and I know that she has technically resigned. But HTF on principle can any Irish Nationalist join the lords?

Hardly a surprise;



Margaret still taking the soup.

What a truly awful comment.

RedHand88

I never actually knew the SDLP abstained from the house of lords. Why hasn't this been thrown at them before?

trailer

Quote from: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 09:12:22 AM
I never actually knew the SDLP abstained from the house of lords. Why hasn't this been thrown at them before?

Because they don't abstain. They don't accept peerages (rightly in my view) to an unelected house. That's the difference.


RedHand88

Quote from: trailer on September 11, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 09:12:22 AM
I never actually knew the SDLP abstained from the house of lords. Why hasn't this been thrown at them before?

Because they don't abstain. They don't accept peerages (rightly in my view) to an unelected house. That's the difference.

So instead of entering a house in parliament and representing Irish nationalism, giving us a voice, they choose not to as a matter of principle?

trailer

Quote from: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: trailer on September 11, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on September 11, 2019, 09:12:22 AM
I never actually knew the SDLP abstained from the house of lords. Why hasn't this been thrown at them before?

Because they don't abstain. They don't accept peerages (rightly in my view) to an unelected house. That's the difference.

So instead of entering a house in parliament and representing Irish nationalism, giving us a voice, they choose not to as a matter of principle?

No, they don't accept peerages. So they can't enter the HOL. Now if they accepted the peerage and then didn't turn up, that would be abstaining.
Hope that clears that up for you.



Snapchap

Typical stoop. Won't seek election to the Dáil but happy to take a Tory granted title and seat in a House of Lords that she herself long described as an "anachronistic institution".

Some record for SDLP leaders:

Gerry Fitt - Joined the House of Lords and became 'Barron Fitt of Bell's Hill'.
Mark Duran - Left to join the conservative FG.
Margaret Ritchie - Announced she was "delighted" to accept a Tory bestowed peerage (she has yet to choose where she wants to become 'Baroness' of, for her title)
Alasdair McDonnell - Attempted to forge links with the right wing PD's and regularly invited the right-wing, borderline racist Michael McDowell to canvass with him.
Colm Eastwood - Forged an "alliance" with Fianna Fáil - a conservative party led by a dyed-in-the-wool partitionist.

Some nationalists!

Rossfan

Do you have to be a loony leftie to qualify as a "nationalist"??
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Itchy

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Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2019, 11:17:21 AM
Do you have to be a loony leftie to qualify as a "nationalist"??

SDLP = Socialist Democratic Labour Party

From their website...

As the party of civil rights, the SDLP is working for an Ireland free from poverty, prejudice and injustice; a vibrant country of energy, enterprise and endeavour, where economic prosperity delivers better public services and greater opportunities for all

So they are a left wing party.

So if you are in that party and decide to become a Lord or join a right wing party somewhere else, I think it is fair to call that person as a hypocrite. Nothing to do with being a loony leftie.


general_lee

Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2019, 11:17:21 AM
Do you have to be a loony leftie to qualify as a "nationalist"??
f**k me. Any "nationalist" that joins the House of Lords will rightfully have their credentials questioned.