Man Utd Thread:

[Bord na Mona man]

I don't have a problem with a caretaker manager until the summer when better options become available.
Roberto Di Matteo wouldn't be highly rated as a manager but did a decent stop gap job for Chelsea in 2012 when AVB got the boot.

[Boycey]

There is no indication that the club are going to do anything other than what they did before and wait til they can get rid of a manager on the cheap? A manager who wants to go too!

[brokencrossbar1]

Giggsy.....give it to Giggsy!

[magpie seanie]

Giggsy.....give it to Giggsy!

He has a job.

[Insane Bolt]

Mark Hughes and Big Sam waiting patiently by the phone 😜

[Tony Baloney]

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-mourinho-is-the-manager-manchester-united-deserve-1.3733427

Ken Early: Mourinho is the manager Manchester United deserve
José's ultra-cynical approach to the game reflects the concerns of the club itself
about 8 hours ago

Ken Early

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Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho says that he believes his side can still qualify for next year's Champions League, defeat to Liverpool has left Manchester United 11 points off the qualification places. Video: Perform Group/Reuters
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Nine months have passed since Sevilla knocked Manchester United out of the Champions League, when the Spanish club's Danish defender Simon Kjaer gave the most perceptive and withering assessment of what José Mourinho's team were all about: "We knew that with Fellaini and Lukaku they will always have chances from . . . how do you say that in English . . . coincidences."
Coincidence football – kick and rush, hit and hope, close your eyes and pray. There was a period at Anfield last night when it looked as though the football of coincidences might get United through. It doesn't always matter if the other team is dominating the match – there's always a chance their keeper might drop one on your striker's foot.
But it usually matters. As one of those old American sportswriters used to say, the race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet. When one team has 36 attempts on goal and the other only six, there's more chance of the first team benefiting from a couple of lucky deflections.
When Mourinho was asked afterwards on Sky if his players were still playing for him, he tried to turn it into a word game. "What is that? Play for me? Are you calling the players dishonest?"
According to this latest Mourinho rhetoric, the honest player gives 100 per cent every time they take the field while only the dishonest player gives less, regardless of who happens to be standing in the dugout. If that is true you have to wonder how managers like Mourinho can get clubs to pay them £15 million a year. You can tell he must be pretty desperate if he's had to resort to such a manager-minimising line of argument.
But of course, his talk about honest and dishonest players should not be taken as a sincere pronouncement about how football works. It's a tactical device meant to create confusion and divert attention away from himself. It's not that Manchester United's players didn't try: in a game like that every player is trying. It's that, as usual under Mourinho, they went out with no real idea of how they were going to win the game.
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Terror of losing
The key to understanding Mourinho is that there is no other top manager who has such a terror of losing. The terror conditions his approach to every big match, and means that this approach will always be risk-averse and safety-first. If his team wins on a coincidence then so much the better, but if the coincidences don't go their way that's okay as long as they do not lose.
The terror might seem like an unusual psychological quirk, until you realise that it is the logical culmination of an ultra-cynical approach to the game that focuses only on the result at the expense of everything else. The terror is where you end up when you regard the performance – that is, the actual football – as something that could interest only the "Einsteins", the "poets", and other such dreamers and frauds.
In Mourinho's view, it does not really matter whether his players play "well" or "badly", whether they create 36 chances or six. What matters is what is written on the scoreboard at the end of the game. If the scoreboard says that Mourinho has won, then he gets to shush the camera, trash some water-bottles, troll the critics. If the scoreboard says that Mourinho has won even though certain statistics suggest the other team perhaps had the better of the game, then so much the better, as he gets to troll the statisticians as well. As long as the scoreboard says Mourinho has won, all is well in his world – until he wakes up on the next matchday and has to worry about losing again.
But while Mourinho is only thinking about the scoreboard, the players also have to think about how to get through the 90 minutes of the match, and here they get very little help from Mourinho.
He has been at Manchester United for two-and-a-half years and there is still no sign of a football identity – of the kind that rivals such as Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Mauricio Pochettino and Maurizio Sarri had managed to imprint on their teams within at most a few months of their arrival. These managers do tactics, Mourinho specialises in drama.
At Chelsea they argue over whether Hazard should play up front or out wide, at Liverpool they squabble over which combination offers the best balance in midfield. At United the argument always seems to be about which player just got thrown under the bus, and whether they deserved it or not. The fact that a significant section of the Manchester United crowd seems to have turned on their best player, Paul Pogba, is a sad testament to how effective Mourinho's dramatic distractions can be.
Results-only approach
The worst thing about this mess from Manchester United's point of view is that, right now, Mourinho is exactly the manager they deserve. His results-only approach is mirrored in the boardroom, where the leading director, Ed Woodward, is also judged on outcomes and not processes. Woodward's employers don't ask: "Is the club doing better this year than last year?" They ask: "Did we make more money this year than we did last year?" As long as the answer to this second question is yes, then Woodward has nothing to worry about.
The big threat to the bottom line at United is failure to qualify for the Champions League – not just because they lose out on participation money, but also because their big sponsorship contracts pay less if they don't qualify. Right now it looks like the only feasible way back into next year's Champions League is to win it this year, and that does not look likely.
The heat is therefore on Woodward, but at the moment Mourinho has one thing still going for him. The main reason why Louis van Gaal – a process-focused manager – lost his job immediately after winning the FA Cup was that Mourinho the superstar was available to replace him.
Currently there is no obvious candidate to replace Mourinho – and remember, the candidate has to be very obvious for outcomes-focused directors like Woodward to notice them. This is not a board that is about to take a risk on a lesser-known coach simply because their team plays great football: United's directors are blind to things like that.
They could perhaps give Michael Carrick the job on a caretaker basis, in the vague hope of unearthing a home-grown Guardiola – but they lack the football insight to form a credible judgment of Carrick's potential. Hiring him would be a shot in the dark. What they want more than anything is a big box-office name, preferably one big enough for a couple of directors to hide behind.
But right now all the managerial superstars are spoken for, so the loveless embrace with Mourinho could go on for a while yet.

[Cunny Funt]

Woodward is worried how it looks on him if he sacks him now and even more worried about Mourinho's payout.

Mourinho is desperate to be sacked, think he'll have to fall out with a couple of more players first before that happens though.

If he does go in the next few weeks who comes in? Zidane and Conte are the only 2 In know of who are available but after the football we've had to put up with the last 5 years Conte is a non starter.

Appointing a director of football is equally as important, allows the manager to concentrate on footballing matters.

Everything you said is 100% correct in my view. I just think if a change was made now....someone like zidane might be able to get a few players in January and improve what's there in order to put in a credible showing in the CL knockout stages. When will United next be in the CL knockout stages and have no pressure on league games during that time? Hopefully never.

Just seen Jardim who coached Monaco for a few years is available, he'd be my choice from now until the end of the season and take it from their.

We've been linked with Paul Mitchell heavilly the last few months, he' was with Pochettino at Spurs and Soton as head of recruitment and is from the Manchester area; He's with RB Leipzig now.

I can't believe how poor Matic was, Herrera is limited enough but I expect more from Matic. As for Lukaku that was half arsed yesterday,  he simply didn't try hard enough to chase down opponents.

Matic has been worse than useless this season unbelievable how he never gets dropped. Him and Lukaku starting is like United playing with 9 men.

Blanc is also available, someone that knows club and is a much needed progressive manager. The business men will likely appoint the opposite in conte and the circus will continue if they do

[lurganblue]

Is there anything to be said for Steve Bruce 

[Milltown Row2]

Is there anything to be said for Steve Bruce 

Yes, he won the league with a cracking double against Sheffield Wednesday back in the day!

As a manager he'd be as avaerage as Roy Keane

[ziggy90]

Is there anything to be said for Steve Bruce 

Yes: I wish he was still at Vile Park.

[Megaman]

Word has it that a Director of Football will be in place shortly.

Could this spell the end for JM?

[GJL]

Word has it that a Director of Football will be in place shortly.

Could this spell the end for JM?

Might have more of an effect on Woodward's role..

[GJL]

Sacked!!

[Helix.]

Jose got the sack! Christmas came early