Grizzly stuff, seems the lad was some sort of enforcer for one of the gangs
https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-coolock-remains-4967400-Jan2020/
They are beyond the law. Middle class drug users fund them.
Quote from: seafoid on January 15, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
They are beyond the law. Middle class drug users fund them.
It's hardly just the middles classes taking coke
It's absolutely shocking.
Dublin must be one of the most dangerous cities in Europe at this stage.
Drogheda feud is it not?
Quote from: seafoid on January 15, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
They are beyond the law. Middle class drug users fund them.
Upper and lower must be on the spice!
Jesus that's rough stuff. These lads must think they live in Juarez.
I'm not sure he was an enforcer but regardless of what he was he was still a child.....
A very well dressed child. Gucci etc. Parents must be loaded or he paid for the gear himself. Still a terrible way to go.
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 15, 2020, 11:03:04 PM
A very well dressed child. Gucci etc. Parents must be loaded or he paid for the gear himself. Still a terrible way to go.
They were obviously alluding to a connection to the trade by mentioning all his branded gear. A Canada Goose parka is the guts of a grand.
A lot of kids get into this because its got the big lifestyle behind it, whether this lads brutal death steer's other people away remains to be seen.
I've kids that age and older, Ya wonder what goes wrong in people's families that they end up losing sight of normal values?
Hearing he was no angel. More than just a hood by all accounts. I've been trying to follow the jist of this feud on twitter. Apparently a certain criminal who recently got off on murder charges is main suspect. There's a video of him being punched after his release before Christmas and it's the ones videoing it who ended up chopped up.
It's like something straight out of an episode of Love Hate
If half what is being said online is true, this was only going to end one way, and it wasn't going to be good
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2020, 11:18:56 PM
A lot of kids get into this because its got the big lifestyle behind it, whether this lads brutal death steer's other people away remains to be seen.
I've kids that age and older, Ya wonder what goes wrong in people's families that they end up losing sight of normal values?
In Limerick 10 or 15 years ago a drug gang killed 2 kids in a car as part of a feud. There was public outrage and the Gardai put resources into controlling the gangs which put a stop to the feud.
Dismemberment has been a signature of some Dublin gangs for a while. Kenneth O'Brien who came home from Australia was murdered and dismembered in 2016. The court case was recently.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/man-guilty-for-disposing-of-chainsaw-which-dismembered-kenneth-o-brien-1.4091967?mode=amp
Shooting enemies in the head is old school but dismembering the body deliberately violates death rituals and is a further attack on the bereaved families of the dead. It's barbaric.
Unless the Gardaí do something now nothing will change.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 15, 2020, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 15, 2020, 09:33:36 PM
They are beyond the law. Middle class drug users fund them.
It's hardly just the middles classes taking coke
coke is everywhere you go every pub is full of coke users
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/killers-may-have-photographed-and-videoed-drogheda-boy-s-body-parts-1.4141133
The young lad was allegedly involved in slashing the lad who's name is floating about as the killer. Chopping him up was to send a message. Crazy shit and is real Love/Hate stuff. Laytown has become a bit of an extension of Darndale.
Is there a complete breakdown of law and order in Louth, Meath, Dublin area? Why do these gangs think that this behaviour is acceptable? It's completely reprehensible.
Love/Hate wasn't even that brutal lads.
This is worse again, I still reckon the best way to undercut all this dirt is to legalise the lot - kill the flow of money to criminals, tax the thing to the balls and lets try and reap some kind of reward. Some US states have embraced this, would need to look at them for results really. From what you lads are writing the criminal that does this is known, the Gardai simply don't have the resources nor I'm sure the financial backing from the Govt to really take this on.
I was sent a few videos and pics through whatsapp around this. One of the videos is a masked man saying something like "we will be at your house tonight. You are dealing with the lads from the Falls road in Belfast. Get out..."
Quote from: general_lee on January 15, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
Hearing he was no angel. More than just a hood by all accounts. I've been trying to follow the jist of this feud on twitter. Apparently a certain criminal who recently got off on murder charges is main suspect. There's a video of him being punched after his release before Christmas and it's the ones videoing it who ended up chopped up.
How can i find this stuff on twitter - im a nosey whore!
Quote from: WT4E on January 16, 2020, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: general_lee on January 15, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
Hearing he was no angel. More than just a hood by all accounts. I've been trying to follow the jist of this feud on twitter. Apparently a certain criminal who recently got off on murder charges is main suspect. There's a video of him being punched after his release before Christmas and it's the ones videoing it who ended up chopped up.
How can i find this stuff on twitter - im a nosey whore!
Search Hutch or Kinahan, you'll probably get it by association. Drogheda / Dundalk might get you what you after too.
*I'm not a nosey whore....But I refuse to follow certain people on twitter who provide scores to games I may wish to know results to ;D
So is this whole thing a hutch kinahan thing spread to Drogheda?
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Keane Mulready was involved in arson, and he also killed a cat in a pretty gruesome way. He was due up in court in Sept for review. He was insecure and wanted to be a gangster, and he had career criminals in his family. It only adds to the Drogheda feud tragedy. So little chance.
Reminds me of this song
https://youtu.be/qggxTtnKTMo
Quote from: WT4E on January 16, 2020, 10:46:22 AM
So is this whole thing a hutch kinahan thing spread to Drogheda?
Not entirely sure of that - but the same people who tend to commentate and follow one, follow the other.
Quote from: WT4E on January 16, 2020, 10:46:22 AM
So is this whole thing a hutch kinahan thing spread to Drogheda?
Not really, although if coke is involved the Kinehans are in the background. Seems to be a straight turf war over Drogheda between the incumbent, who was in jail until recently, and a Coolock based player who was forced out of the area,who tried to muscle in.
This 17 year old seems to have been working for both sides and ran out of road. His limbs left in Coolock as a reminder he hasn't gone away and the head to the other gangster as a threat.
This sort of stuff has happened before, but the fact it was a 17 year old is the headline. A 17 year old proficient in the art of firebombing, but still a kid.
I heard a travelling gang is involved.
where is the so called ira in all this
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
What do you want a disbanded, unarmed organisation to do?
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Presumably some of the many "IRAs" are getting money from the Criminal thugs?
I wouldn't have thought so, these current gangs have no fear of the IRA whatever guise they are under now.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
If they didn't disband would any of this happen? They seemed to control crime in a somewhat positive way compared to these hoors.
That was a conversation me and a friend had, would the level of gang warfare have went on during the 90's when the IRA were still prevalent in controlling areas?
To dismember someone takes some stomach I would imagine, and things seem to be escalating worse and worse, and unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any feasible solution to this.
A someone has mentioned, if they legalise drugs to control the flow, the same fellas will profit from some other form of criminality.
Quote from: Rudi on January 16, 2020, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
If they didn't disband would any of this happen? They seemed to control crime in a somewhat positive way compared to these hoors.
The Shankill butchers were as bad as these criminals .
Decrim use, and go after suppliers. More Garda. More resources. Longer sentences.
Quote from: trailer on January 16, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Decrim use, and go after suppliers.
How can you go after suppliers of something that it legal?
Quote from: trailer on January 16, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Decrim use, and go after suppliers. More Garda. More resources. Longer sentences.
No!! Cocaine is illegal for a reason.
i would say these drug dealers and those that killed that boy are up to their eyeballs in coke themselves that probably turns them even more psychotic.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:14:57 AM
I heard a travelling gang is involved.
Not quite. The incumbent gang contain travellers,but it isn't a traveller gang, if that makes sense
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
Dismemberment is not confined to gangland murders
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/grandmothers-body-parts-were-strewn-over-30km-after-row-jury-in-murder-trial-told-38866587.html
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 16, 2020, 12:55:12 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 16, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Decrim use, and go after suppliers. More Garda. More resources. Longer sentences.
No!! Cocaine is illegal for a reason.
And is that reason worth the criminality it brings by banning it?
The Gardai are more likely to go after psychopathic murders because of the international media attention. Kenneth O'Brien's murderer is in prison .
Psychopathic murders are bad for Ireland's image.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 16, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
Think the OP refers to the Provisional IRA as opposed to any particular further break off.
Quote from: five points on January 16, 2020, 12:51:48 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 16, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Decrim use, and go after suppliers.
How can you go after suppliers of something that it legal?
There's a difference between decriminalising the use of drugs and the making the supply illegal.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 16, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
Think the OP refers to the Provisional IRA as opposed to any particular further break off.
I read 'so called' to be dissies
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 16, 2020, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 16, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
Think the OP refers to the Provisional IRA as opposed to any particular further break off.
I read 'so called' to be dissies
In that case they are probably bringing the drugs in via old PIRA smuggling contacts/routes. All too willing to assist in the trade, some might hide behind 'taxation' on dealers but they are still up to their necks in it helping bring it in and collaborating when suits.
Guy on radio says is it about time we went to a cashless society to fight the drug problem.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 02:16:23 PM
Guy on radio says is it about time we went to a cashless society to fight the drug problem.
I fail to see how that would help. Just as easy to transfer money in multiple different ways
Easier to trace tho if its electronic
Brutal images doing the rounds
Seen the images. They seem to be taken/stolen from an Instagram page. Also a video going about of some young lad covered in blood but I'm led to believe that's from a young fella stabbed few weeks ago unrelated to this feud
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
Is this a serious comment? Christ. The army.....I admire your hard line stance but the Irish Army? I've seen more action on my playstation.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
Have they enough ear defenders in case there's some action?
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 16, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
That was a conversation me and a friend had, would the level of gang warfare have went on during the 90's when the IRA were still prevalent in controlling areas?
To dismember someone takes some stomach I would imagine, and things seem to be escalating worse and worse, and unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any feasible solution to this.
A someone has mentioned, if they legalise drugs to control the flow, the same fellas will profit from some other form of criminality.
That level of gang warfare
did go on in the 90s. Ever hear of the INLA? Biggest gangland criminals around in the 90s and they just happened to be armed to the teeth.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
Is this a serious comment? Christ. The army.....I admire your hard line stance but the Irish Army? I've seen more action on my playstation.
Would love to see you repeat that to a member of the Irish Army Ranger Wing, PlayStation boy.
Quote from: Sportacus on January 16, 2020, 05:12:23 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 16, 2020, 04:10:26 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
Is this a serious comment? Christ. The army.....I admire your hard line stance but the Irish Army? I've seen more action on my playstation.
Would love to see you repeat that to a member of the Irish Army Ranger Wing, PlayStation boy.
;D It's ok, I compete against them on a monthly basis. They admit they have a handy number.
Point is, they are simply not trained to take on drug gangs in some kind of Narco-like war.
Times reporting members of his family have been sent videos/images. Seems like most are fake but Guards seem to believe there may have been genuine videos/images taken of the murder.
Beyond grim.
There are supposed to be videos doing the rounds on social media.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch them - horrendous stuff :(
We are getting close to the Television show The Running man!
Who'd have thought this would be seen as 'entertainment'
Expect arrests for this. When the Guards get their act together, they get the job done.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2020, 08:22:06 PM
There are supposed to be videos doing the rounds on social media.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch them - horrendous stuff :(
Had them sent to me earlier. Dark stuff.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 16, 2020, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2020, 08:22:06 PM
There are supposed to be videos doing the rounds on social media.
I don't understand why anyone would want to watch them - horrendous stuff :(
Had them sent to me earlier. Dark stuff.
Think Gardai said earlier that none of the stuff circulating is of him
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
The Irish army haven't seen any action since saving private Ryan.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/family-of-murdered-teenager-were-sent-video-purporting-to-show-killing-1.4142223
« Family members of murdered teenager Keane Mulready-Woods have been sent images and videos purporting to depict the boy's murder and dismemberment. »
Was the victim a 'lovable rogue'?
Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
Couldnt disagree more the Army is full of drug dealers, Most of the dealers in Athlone are current soliders and even a few weeks ago a serving solider was questioned over a Gangland murder in Dublin.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
See the bit above about people not having a baldy notion about what they are on about.
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
See the bit above about people not having a baldy notion about what they are on about.
Again, the death of the young fella is about a cocaine gang war. If your going to talk about other drugs fine, but at least keep it in the same ball park. Your not even comparing like for like.
Something about a baldy notion alright.
Quote from: Orior on January 17, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
Was the victim a 'lovable rogue'?
A strange question given that I wouldn't be too sure that many on the Board would have known him personally. From media and other reports about his activities it would appear to be difficult for anyone other than his family to attach the adjective 'loveable' to his description.
Quote from: oliverkelly on January 17, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
The army should be sent into deal with these feckers
Couldnt disagree more the Army is full of drug dealers, Most of the dealers in Athlone are current soliders and even a few weeks ago a serving solider was questioned over a Gangland murder in Dublin.
If true that's even more shocking than the topic of this thread. If true said state employees should be court marshalled, sent to prison and never receive a penny in welfare from this state. This country is rotten.
it must say something for the state of the Irish army and wages if they are drug dealing or they are just scumbags in the army too.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 11:37:11 AM
it must say something for the state of the Irish army and wages if they are drug dealing or they are just scumbags in the army too.
Probably more at it now due to wages but was always the way around Athlone anyway. I honestly could name have a dozen and thats not counting lads already turfed out for been caught at it. But i have often read up on Dublin gangland and lads charged with serious crimes that are ex soliders is regular enough.
https://www.herald.ie/news/serving-soldier-and-girlfriend-held-over-street-trader-murder-38769440.html
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ex-soldier-jailed-for-11-years-over-heist-after-enlisting-with-crime-gang-for-camaraderie-28901622.html
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/soldier-arrested-after-cocaine-and-steroids-found-in-city-barracks-37320139.html
Personally i wouldnt be sending these lads out on our streets with guns as another poster suggested. Majority of soliders are 100% but few bad apples in the mix.
the army is a career path that attracts scumbags, so it's not unusual for members or former members to be involved in crime.
Someone was telling me about an army barracks in Dublin and the locals referred to the soldiers stationed there as the Vikings-rape, pillage and plunder.
two men shot in north dublin
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 17, 2020, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: Orior on January 17, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
Was the victim a 'lovable rogue'?
A strange question given that I wouldn't be too sure that many on the Board would have known him personally. From media and other reports about his activities it would appear to be difficult for anyone other than his family to attach the adjective 'loveable' to his description.
I know someone who did. Considered more of a messer and pest, always in scrapes. The extent of his criminality shocked them - nobody knew he firebombed a house on his own street for example.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 01:47:13 PM
two men shot in north dublin
You can only come to the conclusion it's in someway linked, beit directly, or someone thinking it's a good time to settle a score when the horror is elswhere.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
See the bit above about people not having a baldy notion about what they are on about.
Again, the death of the young fella is about a cocaine gang war. If your going to talk about other drugs fine, but at least keep it in the same ball park. Your not even comparing like for like.
Something about a baldy notion alright.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. Pure bollocks mate I personally know 3 young people who lost their lives as a result of drug use over the past 2 years
It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of drug use and marijuana in particular could tell you about the mental health effects of using. You clearly do not have a notion what you're talking about.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic. Yeah it is well known that drug suppliers adhere strictly to only selling 1 particular type of drug. I was replying to a post advocating decriminalisation of drugs as a solution to the drugs problem.
As long as they don't get "civilians" involved in their violence then I say let them administer their own justice to each other. One less scourge in society to house then parole then house then parole.
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My personal viewpoint of marijuana is that the a large percentage of the lads I know consumed heavily heavily in their teens, have grown into very introverted adults. These things may be completely unrelated, but I can't help thinking there's a correlation.
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 02:36:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
See the bit above about people not having a baldy notion about what they are on about.
Again, the death of the young fella is about a cocaine gang war. If your going to talk about other drugs fine, but at least keep it in the same ball park. Your not even comparing like for like.
Something about a baldy notion alright.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. Pure bollocks mate I personally know 3 young people who lost their lives as a result of drug use over the past 2 years
It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of drug use and marijuana in particular could tell you about the mental health effects of using. You clearly do not have a notion what you're talking about.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic. Yeah it is well known that drug suppliers adhere strictly to only selling 1 particular type of drug. I was replying to a post advocating decriminalisation of drugs as a solution to the drugs problem.
You explain to me then why the drug you have brought up and you speak of has the same classification as painkillers, anabolic steroids and tranquillisers?
I'm not saying it's not a drug, you seem intent on having some kind of argument over a class C substance / B in NI.
Your blurring the lines between what you brought into the conversation i.e. Cannabis and what is actually being discussed - of course drugs kill, however cannabis does not kill. That is a simple fact, it is a plant that can be grown all over the world, it is a natural organic substance - less we forget it's chemical components are actually used for medicinal purposes and the mass rise of CBD oil, which I would suggest you research.
As for legalisation of drugs, that's up to everyone's own opinion, we clearly and obviously need to start thinking of alternatives because this current method of resolving it is not doing anything as events of recent years have shown.
What I am saying is maybe it's time to look at another route to deal with substance abuse, we simply do not have the means (or I'd say the hunger) to meet 'fire with fire'.
Fellow on radio said it used to be that if some person was on drugs they were seen as a bit mad nowadays people are seen as mad if they not on drugs.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 02:55:51 PM
You explain to me then why the drug you have brought up and you speak of has the same classification as painkillers, anabolic steroids and tranquillisers?
I'm not saying it's not a drug, you seem intent on having some kind of argument over a class C substance / B in NI.
There's a lad in the next village who is not much more than able to tie his shoelaces because of years of abusing painkillers, prescription medication and "soft" drugs. His life has slowly but surely fallen apart. 20 years ago he was successfully running a thriving business. Now he has little more than the coat on his back. His skin has been yellow for a number of years now. His life must be an utter misery.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 02:36:45 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 17, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 17, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
See the bit above about people not having a baldy notion about what they are on about.
Again, the death of the young fella is about a cocaine gang war. If your going to talk about other drugs fine, but at least keep it in the same ball park. Your not even comparing like for like.
Something about a baldy notion alright.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. Pure bollocks mate I personally know 3 young people who lost their lives as a result of drug use over the past 2 years
It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of drug use and marijuana in particular could tell you about the mental health effects of using. You clearly do not have a notion what you're talking about.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic. Yeah it is well known that drug suppliers adhere strictly to only selling 1 particular type of drug. I was replying to a post advocating decriminalisation of drugs as a solution to the drugs problem.
You explain to me then why the drug you have brought up and you speak of has the same classification as painkillers, anabolic steroids and tranquillisers?
I'm not saying it's not a drug, you seem intent on having some kind of argument over a class C substance / B in NI.
Your blurring the lines between what you brought into the conversation i.e. Cannabis and what is actually being discussed - of course drugs kill, however cannabis does not kill. That is a simple fact, it is a plant that can be grown all over the world, it is a natural organic substance - less we forget it's chemical components are actually used for medicinal purposes and the mass rise of CBD oil, which I would suggest you research.
As for legalisation of drugs, that's up to everyone's own opinion, we clearly and obviously need to start thinking of alternatives because this current method of resolving it is not doing anything as events of recent years have shown.
What I am saying is maybe it's time to look at another route to deal with substance abuse, we simply do not have the means (or I'd say the hunger) to meet 'fire with fire'.
Marijuana differs from the prescription drugs you have listed in classification in that they are legal and cannabis is not. Though of course there is a massive misuse of prescription drugs as well in this country which needs to be addressed as we are all literally funding criminals involved in this sphere of drug dealing as well.
I think that in any discussion of drug related crime and especially when talking about decriminalisation of drugs that mentioning marijuana is germane to the argument. Unfortunately I have had lots of personal experience of the health and mental health effects of young people using marijuana and again I thought to use those personal experiences to voice my opposition to decriminalisation.
As to marijauna being a naturally occurring plant all over the world and being used for medicinal purposes sure you could equally argue for the decriminalisation of heroin on the exact same basis.
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Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
See the bit above about people not having a baldy notion about what they are on about.
Again, the death of the young fella is about a cocaine gang war. If your going to talk about other drugs fine, but at least keep it in the same ball park. Your not even comparing like for like.
Something about a baldy notion alright.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. Pure bollocks mate I personally know 3 young people who lost their lives as a result of drug use over the past 2 years
It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of drug use and marijuana in particular could tell you about the mental health effects of using. You clearly do not have a notion what you're talking about.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic. Yeah it is well known that drug suppliers adhere strictly to only selling 1 particular type of drug. I was replying to a post advocating decriminalisation of drugs as a solution to the drugs problem.
You explain to me then why the drug you have brought up and you speak of has the same classification as painkillers, anabolic steroids and tranquillisers?
I'm not saying it's not a drug, you seem intent on having some kind of argument over a class C substance / B in NI.
Your blurring the lines between what you brought into the conversation i.e. Cannabis and what is actually being discussed - of course drugs kill, however cannabis does not kill. That is a simple fact, it is a plant that can be grown all over the world, it is a natural organic substance - less we forget it's chemical components are actually used for medicinal purposes and the mass rise of CBD oil, which I would suggest you research.
As for legalisation of drugs, that's up to everyone's own opinion, we clearly and obviously need to start thinking of alternatives because this current method of resolving it is not doing anything as events of recent years have shown.
What I am saying is maybe it's time to look at another route to deal with substance abuse, we simply do not have the means (or I'd say the hunger) to meet 'fire with fire'.
Marijuana differs from the prescription drugs you have listed in classification in that they are legal and cannabis is not. Though of course there is a massive misuse of prescription drugs as well in this country which needs to be addressed as we are all literally funding criminals involved in this sphere of drug dealing as well.
I think that in any discussion of drug related crime and especially when talking about decriminalisation of drugs that mentioning marijuana is germane to the argument. Unfortunately I have had lots of personal experience of the health and mental health effects of young people using marijuana and again I thought to use those personal experiences to voice my opposition to decriminalisation.
As to marijauna being a naturally occurring plant all over the world and being used for medicinal purposes sure you could equally argue for the decriminalisation of heroin on the exact same basis.
As a chemist, absolutely not. Very, very different make up and a much more sinister grip on the brain but I appreciate your points on this subject.
« And at about 1.30am on Wednesday morning, a bag containing a head, hands and feet were found in a burnt-out blue Audi S40 in a lane off Clonliffe Ave in Dublin's north inner city. »
Anyone who saw that could be traumatised.
I have no time for anyone involved in drugs
I know of someone with a serious drug problem in a small west of Ireland town
They racked up a debt to a drug dealer that they couldn't pay. An "enforcer" landed down to the house and threatened their parents, who are in their 80s, that their house would be firebombed if payment wasn't forthcoming
I hope they all either (a) die (b) overdose or (c) kill one another
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where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
It wasn't hoods nor dealer nor gangster . But I'm sure the evening herald told you different
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where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
It wasn't hoods nor dealer nor gangster . But I'm sure the evening herald told you different
Whoever pulled the trigger it was assisted by a member of AGS and that's a fact
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
It wasn't hoods nor dealer nor gangster . But I'm sure the evening herald told you different
Whoever pulled the trigger it was assisted by a member of AGS and that's a fact
AGS being the Gardaí?
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
It wasn't hoods nor dealer nor gangster . But I'm sure the evening herald told you different
Whoever pulled the trigger it was assisted by a member of AGS and that's a fact
AGS being the Gardaí?
Yip
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
There is also a lot of so called upstanding citizens of the community on it too.
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2020, 11:22:37 AM
where is the so called ira in all this
Who do you think killed Alan Ryan?
It wasn't hoods nor dealer nor gangster . But I'm sure the evening herald told you different
Out with it...
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
Did they run out of teabags??
Quote from: whitey on January 17, 2020, 05:38:50 PM
I have no time for anyone involved in drugs
I know of someone with a serious drug problem in a small west of Ireland town
They racked up a debt to a drug dealer that they couldn't pay. An "enforcer" landed down to the house and threatened their parents, who are in their 80s, that their house would be firebombed if payment wasn't forthcoming
I hope they all either (a) die (b) overdose or (c) kill one another
Am I the only one seeing the irony between ur post and your username?
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Quote from: trailer on January 16, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Decrim use, and go after suppliers. More Garda. More resources. Longer sentences.
No!! Cocaine is illegal for a reason.
So was alcohol for a while. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States)
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Quote from: trailer on January 16, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Decrim use, and go after suppliers. More Garda. More resources. Longer sentences.
No!! Cocaine is illegal for a reason.
So was alcohol for a while. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States)
Anyone who thinks Coke should be legal, should talk to employees who attended a factory Christmas party somewhere in Cork.
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Maybe criminalising possession and setting suitable deterrents eg large fines, prison time for second offence etc might be a way to combat this as going after the dealers obviously has not worked.
People talking about decriminalising drugs have not a baldy notion what they are on about, talking about decriminalising marijuana as if it is a benign drug and that doing so will help solve the drugs issue.
I have seen the outcomes of marijuana abuse in young people at first hand and it is frightening the effects even short term use can have.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic.
See the bit above about people not having a baldy notion about what they are on about.
Again, the death of the young fella is about a cocaine gang war. If your going to talk about other drugs fine, but at least keep it in the same ball park. Your not even comparing like for like.
Something about a baldy notion alright.
Attributable to zero deaths worldwide. Pure bollocks mate I personally know 3 young people who lost their lives as a result of drug use over the past 2 years
It may...or may not have mental baggage for some people. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of drug use and marijuana in particular could tell you about the mental health effects of using. You clearly do not have a notion what you're talking about.
This is also not the drug at the centre of this particular death, in this topic. Yeah it is well known that drug suppliers adhere strictly to only selling 1 particular type of drug. I was replying to a post advocating decriminalisation of drugs as a solution to the drugs problem.
Very simple question: which is more harmful? Weed or alcohol?
Did I hear correctly that there's a video doing the rounds of this attack?
Quote from: whitey on January 17, 2020, 05:38:50 PM
I have no time for anyone involved in drugs
I know of someone with a serious drug problem in a small west of Ireland town
They racked up a debt to a drug dealer that they couldn't pay. An "enforcer" landed down to the house and threatened their parents, who are in their 80s, that their house would be firebombed if payment wasn't forthcoming
I hope they all either (a) die (b) overdose or (c) kill one another
you sound like a lovely individual, well said ::)
Asking whether weed or alcohol is more harmful is not a very simple question...
Benny someone said the gardai said it wasn't him in the video.
There was a huge, worldwide study couple of years ago on the social effects of drugs ( health, crime rates, murder rates etc) must have been over a hundred different drugs in the study and the most harmful overall by some distance was alcohol.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
Decriminalising drugs works!
I have seen some very unhealthy effects of weed - alcohol too. Both very different on how they impact people. Alcohol possibly more outwardly obvious but the paranoia created by excessive use of weed is not very nice at all either.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
The absolute state of this. Away and have a word with yourself.
https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/the-failed-war-on-drugs/id1462649946?i=1000444001761
Excellent podcast from David McWilliams on the economics of drugs.
Too much of anything isn't going to be good for you. Fast food, energy drinks, nicotine, alcohol, weed, cocaine. Stupid arguing that cannabis is bad for you, because you know a chronic user who now lives as a hermit.
Exactly. One pint isn't bad for you and one spliff or whatever won't wreck you either, it is basically the abuse of it in either case that wrecks people.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 18, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
Exactly. One pint isn't bad for you and one spliff or whatever won't wreck you either, it is basically the abuse of it in either case that wrecks people.
I think one difference is that buying weed goes to fund these gangs and hence the violence. Buying Alcohol doesn't.
As someone in recovery I know all about the dangers of alcohol tho
I think there is a lack of education really on substances, then it becomes really an easy thing to blur the lines of.
Alcohol is a depressant, it slows down the CNS. Weed or whatever term we want to use is also a depressant and similar slows the body down. Then we see young ones steamed, in a pile and it's all too easy to say "must be on drugs". By their make up and effects its pretty easy to compare the two here, to some they are harmless - to others unfortunately they can become a bit of cycle. In my book they are both drugs, one may bring in a bit of tax to the Govt. but that doesn't make one 'better' than the other, it's also the attitudes to both that are a bit worrying, sure it's only a few pints....etc.
It's the ones on Coke/Speed or the most dangerous of the lot, the former legal highs (if it's even so big these days) that you would never suspect, up chatting away, good craic and very friendly "Ah he's a great lad, full of craic".....these drugs are stimulants and by their very nature means that the user is probably more likely to come across as harmless, if not a bit loud, say. Obviously what goes up, must come down so the mind takes the brunt here as opposed to the body, like you wouldn't feel as crap as you would after a night on the pints and you'd still be able to function half decent the next day which is what makes this particular group dangerous.
Opiates....I don't know what would drive someone to that or even think about it, but essentially the timer to the end of your life starts when you dabble in these.
This 24-year old currently detained on breaching bail conditions, is he ...you know... the one...
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This 24-year old currently detained on breaching bail conditions, is he ...you know... the one...
Going by news reports earlier, it seems the Gardai thinks he probably is.
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
The absolute state of this. Away and have a word with yourself.
I genuinely don't understand this. Are you saying it isn't true? Or that it shouldn't be said? Or what? Plenty of people in construction, as in many walks of life, use coke.
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 18, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
There was a huge, worldwide study couple of years ago on the social effects of drugs ( health, crime rates, murder rates etc) must have been over a hundred different drugs in the study and the most harmful overall by some distance was alcohol.
This obviously isn't done on a like for like basis as there are clearly loads of drugs out there that are miles ahead of alcohol on any of those parameters.
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Quote from: trailer on January 18, 2020, 08:40:36 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
The absolute state of this. Away and have a word with yourself.
I genuinely don't understand this. Are you saying it isn't true? Or that it shouldn't be said? Or what? Plenty of people in construction, as in many walks of life, use coke.
He saying that the building trade up and down the country is basically coked up, everyday, on site. It is, of course, complete lies.
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
The absolute state of this. Away and have a word with yourself.
I genuinely don't understand this. Are you saying it isn't true? Or that it shouldn't be said? Or what? Plenty of people in construction, as in many walks of life, use coke.
He saying that the building trade up and down the country is basically coked up, everyday, on site. It is, of course, complete lies.
I know a few ones that take coke on sites. A minority though there is some. He didn't say the whole building trade was coked up did he?
Apparently 6 goons took part in the murder
Any court cases will be a tabloid fantasy
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
The absolute state of this. Away and have a word with yourself.
I genuinely don't understand this. Are you saying it isn't true? Or that it shouldn't be said? Or what? Plenty of people in construction, as in many walks of life, use coke.
He saying that the building trade up and down the country is basically coked up, everyday, on site. It is, of course, complete lies.
I know a few ones that take coke on sites. A minority though there is some. He didn't say the whole building trade was coked up did he?
It's complete fabrication. Nothing based in facts or reality. And you're defending it.
Quote from: Keyser soze on January 21, 2020, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 18, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
There was a huge, worldwide study couple of years ago on the social effects of drugs ( health, crime rates, murder rates etc) must have been over a hundred different drugs in the study and the most harmful overall by some distance was alcohol.
This obviously isn't done on a like for like basis as there are clearly loads of drugs out there that are miles ahead of alcohol on any of those parameters.
By the same token, more people are killed by cars than asault rifles, but people get a lot more harmless use of of motor cars.
Quote from: trailer on January 21, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 21, 2020, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 21, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 21, 2020, 03:54:07 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 18, 2020, 08:40:36 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
The absolute state of this. Away and have a word with yourself.
I genuinely don't understand this. Are you saying it isn't true? Or that it shouldn't be said? Or what? Plenty of people in construction, as in many walks of life, use coke.
He saying that the building trade up and down the country is basically coked up, everyday, on site. It is, of course, complete lies.
I know a few ones that take coke on sites. A minority though there is some. He didn't say the whole building trade was coked up did he?
It's complete fabrication. Nothing based in facts or reality. And you're defending it.
What exactly is a fabrication?
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 18, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
There was a huge, worldwide study couple of years ago on the social effects of drugs ( health, crime rates, murder rates etc) must have been over a hundred different drugs in the study and the most harmful overall by some distance was alcohol.
I suppose it's all Mickey Harte's fault !!!
Quote from: trailer on January 21, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 21, 2020, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 21, 2020, 12:40:04 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 21, 2020, 03:54:07 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
I Hear there is men in building sites doing coke on weekdays up and down the country.
The absolute state of this. Away and have a word with yourself.
I genuinely don't understand this. Are you saying it isn't true? Or that it shouldn't be said? Or what? Plenty of people in construction, as in many walks of life, use coke.
He saying that the building trade up and down the country is basically coked up, everyday, on site. It is, of course, complete lies.
I know a few ones that take coke on sites. A minority though there is some. He didn't say the whole building trade was coked up did he?
It's complete fabrication. Nothing based in facts or reality. And you're defending it.
Its quite a feat to be wrong so consistently. An even greater feat never to let it affect you
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Quote from: southtyronegael on January 18, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
There was a huge, worldwide study couple of years ago on the social effects of drugs ( health, crime rates, murder rates etc) must have been over a hundred different drugs in the study and the most harmful overall by some distance was alcohol.
I suppose it's all Mickey Harte's fault !!!
Harte's football would drive you to drink!
Quote from: trailer on January 22, 2020, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 21, 2020, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 18, 2020, 07:44:26 AM
There was a huge, worldwide study couple of years ago on the social effects of drugs ( health, crime rates, murder rates etc) must have been over a hundred different drugs in the study and the most harmful overall by some distance was alcohol.
I suppose it's all Mickey Harte's fault !!!
Harte's football would drive you to drink!
Poor auld Harte is 12 years building a team now! You'd wonder at his determination, energy and stubbornness to keep going especially with the emergence of a heavily funded Dublin.
Harte must be one helluva tough character!
For years he has been on the end of non-stop abuse, innuendo and damn, downright lies and he keeps driving on.
Probably, a good deal of what's said about him could be accurate but criticism goes beyond all reasonable limits.
Maybe it's the fact that any side he has put out in recent years isn't a patch on what he had back in his All Ireland years and they persist in playing crap football but that can't explain it all.
I dunno---can't figure this out, at all, at all. ;D
Givin this a wee bump for the day thats in it..
Aye mental. Getting some serious whatsapp messages about it.
Cornelius is happy anyway. .
Houl on a minute. Yous boys know more than me lol. Point a man in the right direction would ye 😉
Ah yes, big Cornelius 😉
Some videos doing the rounds of ones celebrating. Won't take a genius to figure out this is about to kick off again.
It reads to me like he was killed by one of the boys with him?
Quote from: Boycey on April 05, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
It reads to me like he was killed by one of the boys with him?
I had thought there were some locals arrested already?
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Quote from: Boycey on April 05, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
It reads to me like he was killed by one of the boys with him?
I had thought there were some locals arrested already?
2nd last paragraph of this from RTE?
https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0405/1128588-murder-ardoyne-belfast-robbie-lawlor/
Quote from: Boycey on April 05, 2020, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 05, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: Boycey on April 05, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
It reads to me like he was killed by one of the boys with him?
I had thought there were some locals arrested already?
2nd last paragraph of this from RTE?
https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0405/1128588-murder-ardoyne-belfast-robbie-lawlor/
Feel like Trump with the fake news I'm getting. Cheers Boycey.
Don't think I have ever saw as many videos floating about of an incident
Lads my sources (twitter) have told me he went up to bilfast to collect a drugs debt the boyo was waitin on him and shot him. Id say the 3 accomplices who were with him were arrested for being in the vicinity rather than being directly involved. No indication it was a set up as yet
More to you as i get it 😉
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 05, 2020, 10:58:03 AM
Lads my sources (twitter) have told me he went up to bilfast to collect a drugs debt the boyo was waitin on him and shot him. Id say the 3 accomplices who were with him were arrested for being in the vicinity rather than being directly involved. No indication it was a set up as yet
More to you as i get it 😉
You'd think these lads would be keeping their heads down after that incident. Must have pals in Belfast. Funny how these lads have connections all over Ireland.
Do these boys not realise they're all going to get bumped off at some stage or do they think they're invincible? Not really the best career option is it.
Quote from: JimStynes on April 06, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
Do these boys not realise they're all going to get bumped off at some stage or do they think they're invincible? Not really the best career option is it.
The lure of quick, relatively easy money is too much for some.
Quote from: Taylor on April 05, 2020, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: Boycey on April 05, 2020, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 05, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: Boycey on April 05, 2020, 10:00:41 AM
It reads to me like he was killed by one of the boys with him?
I had thought there were some locals arrested already?
2nd last paragraph of this from RTE?
https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0405/1128588-murder-ardoyne-belfast-robbie-lawlor/
Feel like Trump with the fake news I'm getting. Cheers Boycey.
Don't think I have ever saw as many videos floating about of an incident
feeling left out here, haven't seen any!!
Quote from: JimStynes on April 06, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
Do these boys not realise they're all going to get bumped off at some stage or do they think they're invincible? Not really the best career option is it.
A lot of them don't have the brains of a chicken.
The lifestyle primarily attracts because the alternative is worse.
Quote from: trailer on April 06, 2020, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 06, 2020, 09:50:20 AM
Do these boys not realise they're all going to get bumped off at some stage or do they think they're invincible? Not really the best career option is it.
A lot of them don't have the brains of a chicken.
Your thinking the low level. The ones higher up will see more money in a month than me or you will see in 5 years.
They have enough brains to get the poison of choice in and out and around Ireland with ease and work with relative impunity (bar the final end game as you say).
This fella that was killed at weekend was indicted in X amount of murders and nothing could ever stick, he wasn't exactly thick, he had some kind of brain there. But you live by the sword, you die by the sword I suppose.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 06, 2020, 10:28:52 AM
This fella that was killed at weekend was indicted in X amount of murders and nothing could ever stick,
You'd wonder how much of that was due to administration error or some similar shite.
i.e. guilty as f**k, everyone knows it, but off on a technicality.
Sometimes you'd wonder "is there really no way the justice system could be improved?"
He was a suspect in a number of murders, he was never formally charged as far as I know.
I'm sure the criminal code of silence and witness intimidation is a major factor.
Exactly J70.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 06, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 06, 2020, 10:28:52 AM
This fella that was killed at weekend was indicted in X amount of murders and nothing could ever stick,
You'd wonder how much of that was due to administration error or some similar shite.
i.e. guilty as f**k, everyone knows it, but off on a technicality.
Sometimes you'd wonder "is there really no way the justice system could be improved?"
I read on the Ana Kriegal case what the Police Investigators had to go through / how they had to interview / what they could and couldn't say otherwise the whole thing could have been thrown out due to the age of the lads. It's actually amazing the job they done to get that whole thing through the courts without a vast (some stuff was) amount declared inadmissible.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 06, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 06, 2020, 10:28:52 AM
This fella that was killed at weekend was indicted in X amount of murders and nothing could ever stick,
You'd wonder how much of that was due to administration error or some similar shite.
i.e. guilty as f**k, everyone knows it, but off on a technicality.
Sometimes you'd wonder "is there really no way the justice system could be improved?"
Everyone "knows" so and so is guilty but you cannot prove it beyond reasonable doubt as there is no hard evidence, witnesses are intimidated etc. How would you advocate improving the justice system? Take a poll on Facebook to see who everyone knows is guilty?
These fellas wouldn't be doing PHDs anytime soon but their "animal cunning" would be off the charts I would think
These lads have tens of thousands going through the hands on a regular basis. €200k was the apparent debt that brought Lawlor to Belfast. He was a very bad boy and what he was up to would curl your hair and turn it white. As psychotic as you would ever meet
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 06, 2020, 03:14:01 PM
These fellas wouldn't be doing PHDs anytime soon but their "animal cunning" would be off the charts I would think
I don't think that holds for senior management
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 06, 2020, 03:44:27 PM
These lads have tens of thousands going through the hands on a regular basis. €200k was the apparent debt that brought Lawlor to Belfast. He was a very bad boy and what he was up to would curl your hair and turn it white. As psychotic as you would ever meet
They haven't much of a life though, a lot do not get to die of old age and are always looking over their shoulder. A regular job is quieter.
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
Anyone able to post an Indo 'Premium' article? I'd be interested to see what Paul Williams had to say about Lawlor today
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
Where can you watch that programme? Can't find it online.
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
The young lad at the head of this thread, when he was killed was wearing 1k worth of clothing.
I don't think all my entire wardbrobe cost 1k.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 07, 2020, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
The young lad at the head of this thread, when he was killed was wearing 1k worth of clothing.
I don't think all my entire wardbrobe cost 1k.
I'd say it was more than that sure one of those Canada Goose jackets is 1k on its own!!!
Quote from: screenexile on April 07, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 07, 2020, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
The young lad at the head of this thread, when he was killed was wearing 1k worth of clothing.
I don't think all my entire wardbrobe cost 1k.
I'd say it was more than that sure one of those Canada Goose jackets is 1k on its own!!!
Gucci tracksuit as well be the guts of a grand
Quote from: screenexile on April 07, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 07, 2020, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
The young lad at the head of this thread, when he was killed was wearing 1k worth of clothing.
I don't think all my entire wardbrobe cost 1k.
I'd say it was more than that sure one of those Canada Goose jackets is 1k on its own!!!
Where are you buying your Canada Goose jackets? £500 will get you one.
Quote from: Will it ever end on April 07, 2020, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 07, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 07, 2020, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
The young lad at the head of this thread, when he was killed was wearing 1k worth of clothing.
I don't think all my entire wardbrobe cost 1k.
I'd say it was more than that sure one of those Canada Goose jackets is 1k on its own!!!
Where are you buying your Canada Goose jackets? £500 will get you one.
He was wearing a Canada Goose parka. Screen is right, they are close to the 1k mark. They are also one of the most counterfeited coats about so Id be extremely careful of where you buy any at a knockdown price, especially if you require it to do exactly what is says on the tin.
What do they do that make them cost €1000?
Quote from: armaghniac on April 06, 2020, 02:44:36 PM
Everyone "knows" so and so is guilty but you cannot prove it beyond reasonable doubt as there is no hard evidence, witnesses are intimidated etc. How would you advocate improving the justice system? Take a poll on Facebook to see who everyone knows is guilty?
Fairly sure that the rules on inadmissible evidence could be changed and dramatically improve conviction rates (of guilty) without risking miscarriages of justice and without resorting to facebook.
Quote from: laoislad on April 07, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
What do they do that make them cost €1000?
Get ya shot it seems!
Quote from: Will it ever end on April 07, 2020, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 07, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 07, 2020, 09:24:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2020, 09:17:02 PM
Watch Inside the K to see the shite these bastards are up to.
The amount of designer gear they pulled from a lads house last week was absolutely obscene!!
The young lad at the head of this thread, when he was killed was wearing 1k worth of clothing.
I don't think all my entire wardbrobe cost 1k.
I'd say it was more than that sure one of those Canada Goose jackets is 1k on its own!!!
Where are you buying your Canada Goose jackets? £500 will get you one.
Proper overcoat one is 1k. If cheaper it's definitely a fake.
I see reports of the alleged €50k fee for the alleged hit being intercepted by the Gardai on the M7.
Allegedly 2 women from one of the Limerick gangs carrying it.
Quote from: laoislad on April 07, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
What do they do that make them cost €1000?
They are intended for extremely cold environments and they are of excellent quality. If you lived somewhere were your winters were -25 degrees you might think it worthwhile forking out for one. Other than that it is a fashion symbol.
Quote from: HiMucker on April 07, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 07, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
What do they do that make them cost €1000?
They are intended for extremely cold environments and they are of excellent quality. If you lived somewhere were your winters were -25 degrees you might think it worthwhile forking out for one. Other than that it is a fashion symbol.
A load of nonsense anyone having one here so, thought so.
Think I'll stick with me €50 coat from Next ;D
Quote from: laoislad on April 07, 2020, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 07, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 07, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
What do they do that make them cost €1000?
They are intended for extremely cold environments and they are of excellent quality. If you lived somewhere were your winters were -25 degrees you might think it worthwhile forking out for one. Other than that it is a fashion symbol.
A load of nonsense anyone having one here so, thought so.
Think I'll stick with me €50 coat from Next ;D
Have a look at ... f**k me why anybody would pay that much for a coat I don't understand it!
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/search?q=parka&&cid=1597578469&medium=cpc&source=google&agp=60709473792&kid=canada%20goose%20jacket&mtype=e&gclid=Cj0KCQjwybD0BRDyARIsACyS8mvT0Iv-IZ2abQs-ryoHdq30XMgCds0CvfYaFxUhLsVkHiPYSPeGW0IaAiz8EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
You can buy it in Canada for the same CAN$ price as the £stg price.
We looked at them when we were over in Canada for the OH so he could use to ski in as well as for site visits he would have been doing - the sales assistant laughed when we mentioned skiing in Europe, as the sweat would be licking off you.
As someone said, it's designed for weather of -20 like they have in Canada.
Quote from: screenexile on April 07, 2020, 01:45:05 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 07, 2020, 01:31:17 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on April 07, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 07, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
What do they do that make them cost €1000?
They are intended for extremely cold environments and they are of excellent quality. If you lived somewhere were your winters were -25 degrees you might think it worthwhile forking out for one. Other than that it is a fashion symbol.
A load of nonsense anyone having one here so, thought so.
Think I'll stick with me €50 coat from Next ;D
Have a look at ... f**k me why anybody would pay that much for a coat I don't understand it!
https://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/search?q=parka&&cid=1597578469&medium=cpc&source=google&agp=60709473792&kid=canada%20goose%20jacket&mtype=e&gclid=Cj0KCQjwybD0BRDyARIsACyS8mvT0Iv-IZ2abQs-ryoHdq30XMgCds0CvfYaFxUhLsVkHiPYSPeGW0IaAiz8EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
I apologise Screen Exile - that's madness!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV6iFTtWAAItWac?format=jpg&name=small)
This 'businesswoman' also had a brief fling with 'Mr Big' as well as having a 'liason' in the cells in Dundalk courthouse at the recent Circuit Court sitting. She certainly wasn't practising social distancing according to government guidlines ;D
I don't think she'll get legal aid, if she's charge with any offences 8)