The same-sex marriage referendum debate

[J70]

Take your complaint up with the person (s) who introduced the topic to the discussion then!

OK, person who introduced this topic, please stop now.

[The Iceman]

I would argue that although Homosexuality appears in nature it doesn't make it natural.
Most if not all animals will also jump on their offspring if they are in heat. Is incest therefore natural?
An old grizzly animal will jump up on a young female in her first season - is pedophilia natural?

We are blurring the lines between normal and natural and evident in nature.....

That's a bit of a risky path to go down.

[J70]

I would argue that although Homosexuality appears in nature it doesn't make it natural.
Most if not all animals will also jump on their offspring if they are in heat. Is incest therefore natural?
An old grizzly animal will jump up on a young female in her first season - is pedophilia natural?

We are blurring the lines between normal and natural and evident in nature.....

That's a bit of a risky path to go down.

If something that occurs in nature is not natural,  then what is?

Natural doesn't mean that human societies need to deem something acceptable,  but it's case by case situation.  Bringing up animal homosexual behaviour refutes the "its unnatural" argument, that's all.

[muppet]

I would argue that although Homosexuality appears in nature it doesn't make it natural.
Most if not all animals will also jump on their offspring if they are in heat. Is incest therefore natural?
An old grizzly animal will jump up on a young female in her first season - is pedophilia natural?

We are blurring the lines between normal and natural and evident in nature.....

That's a bit of a risky path to go down.

It was Tony's line to compare with nature and to declare things natural and natural.

It is a complete red herring as murder is 'natural' for example. However we (usually) don't tolerate it in society.

[Eamonnca1]

I would argue that although Homosexuality appears in nature it doesn't make it natural.
Most if not all animals will also jump on their offspring if they are in heat. Is incest therefore natural?
An old grizzly animal will jump up on a young female in her first season - is pedophilia natural?

We are blurring the lines between normal and natural and evident in nature.....

That's a bit of a risky path to go down.

Well some people keep telling me that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural. Do you disagree with that argument?

I ask because when you bring up the inconvenient facts about homosexuality in nature, the homophobes have a tendency to wobble between two contradictory arguments, one saying that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural, and the other saying that it's wrong because it is natural.

[Eamonnca1]

Take your complaint up with the person (s) who introduced the topic to the discussion then!

OK, person who introduced this topic, please stop now.

Hehe!

[The Iceman]

I would argue that although Homosexuality appears in nature it doesn't make it natural.
Most if not all animals will also jump on their offspring if they are in heat. Is incest therefore natural?
An old grizzly animal will jump up on a young female in her first season - is pedophilia natural?

We are blurring the lines between normal and natural and evident in nature.....

That's a bit of a risky path to go down.

Well some people keep telling me that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural. Do you disagree with that argument?

I ask because when you bring up the inconvenient facts about homosexuality in nature, the homophobes have a tendency to wobble between two contradictory arguments, one saying that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural, and the other saying that it's wrong because it is natural.

Define natural?
Is it true that in nature that animals and plants sole purpose is to create more?
In order to do that there needs to be a male and a female and according to the discovery channel and My Left Foot, do it for half an hour you get a baby, do it for an hour you get twins. Therefore anything contrary to that purpose would be unnatural? The species would not survive. Reproduction happens between a male and a female.  So in line with that then homosexuality is not natural. Or where do we stand on that?

[Tubberman]

I would argue that although Homosexuality appears in nature it doesn't make it natural.
Most if not all animals will also jump on their offspring if they are in heat. Is incest therefore natural?
An old grizzly animal will jump up on a young female in her first season - is pedophilia natural?

We are blurring the lines between normal and natural and evident in nature.....

That's a bit of a risky path to go down.

Well some people keep telling me that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural. Do you disagree with that argument?

I ask because when you bring up the inconvenient facts about homosexuality in nature, the homophobes have a tendency to wobble between two contradictory arguments, one saying that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural, and the other saying that it's wrong because it is natural.

Define natural?
Is it true that in nature that animals and plants sole purpose is to create more?
In order to do that there needs to be a male and a female and according to the discovery channel and My Left Foot, do it for half an hour you get a baby, do it for an hour you get twins. Therefore anything contrary to that purpose would be unnatural? The species would not survive. Reproduction happens between a male and a female.  So in line with that then homosexuality is not natural. Or where do we stand on that?

Celibacy should also be illegal so?

[Eamonnca1]

Define natural?
Is it true that in nature that animals and plants sole purpose is to create more?
In order to do that there needs to be a male and a female and according to the discovery channel and My Left Foot, do it for half an hour you get a baby, do it for an hour you get twins. Therefore anything contrary to that purpose would be unnatural? The species would not survive. Reproduction happens between a male and a female.  So in line with that then homosexuality is not natural. Or where do we stand on that?

I hope we're not going to get into an endless tennis match of answering every question with a question. The question was about how some people keep telling me that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural. Do you disagree with that argument or do you agree with it?

[The Iceman]

Define natural?
Is it true that in nature that animals and plants sole purpose is to create more?
In order to do that there needs to be a male and a female and according to the discovery channel and My Left Foot, do it for half an hour you get a baby, do it for an hour you get twins. Therefore anything contrary to that purpose would be unnatural? The species would not survive. Reproduction happens between a male and a female.  So in line with that then homosexuality is not natural. Or where do we stand on that?

I hope we're not going to get into an endless tennis match of answering every question with a question. The question was about how some people keep telling me that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural. Do you disagree with that argument or do you agree with it?

I agree with it. From a scientific standpoint it is unnatural.
I believe that animals display homosexual behaviour but I don't believe it has been proven that they are in fact homosexual. It seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long lasting predisposition to engage in homosexual behaviour. For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct of animals is normally directed towards members of the opposite sex. Behaviour outside of this is just that - behaviour. Therefore I agree that homosexuality in nature does not exist and is unnatural.
Like Muppet says its a red herring.
We can't read human motivation and sentiment into animal behaviour. The term homosexuality should only be used for humans. In animals we can only observe motor behaviour. When you interpret animal's motivation we apply human psychodynamics which is surely a foolish and risky path....

[armaghniac]

Celibacy should also be illegal so?

Illegality is not the point here, encouragement is. A society would be unwise to promote celibacy.

[muppet]

Celibacy should also be illegal so?

Illegality is not the point here, encouragement is. A society would be unwise to promote celibacy.

Should we allow celibate people marry?

[The Iceman]

Celibacy should also be illegal so?

Illegality is not the point here, encouragement is. A society would be unwise to promote celibacy.

Should we allow celibate people marry?

Isn't that a definition of marriage sure Muppet at your age?
Married and celibate!!! yooooo

[muppet]

Celibacy should also be illegal so?

Illegality is not the point here, encouragement is. A society would be unwise to promote celibacy.

Should we allow celibate people marry?

Isn't that a definition of marriage sure Muppet at your age?
Married and celibate!!! yooooo

F*ck, I have to pretend to be asleep! Why do you think I took up running?

[T Fearon]

Muppet people are beginning to think you really are a Muppet