McKenna Cup 2024

[Brendan]

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/donegal-jim-mcguinness-eamon-mcgee-296671?fbclid=IwAR1n2jVfqZ9IGZDeD_3INT40T_zaT9BIB5psUjRl6a5p8jWTMv6x2cnR-S0

Siege mentality predictions were right

[johnnycool]

For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.

Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.

[J70]

For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.

Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.

"Person-in-charge"?


You'd swear the GAA purposely write these regs to be ambiguous enough to render them useless.

[Estimator]

Throw back to when Tyrone were at it in the McKenna Cup 

2007 Tyrone ineligibility dispute
Tyrone caused controversy in 2007 when they fielded four players who had already been selected by University teams. The official rule is that Universities have first choice on players, so in effect, they were fielding ineligible players. Tyrone manager, Mickey Harte, claimed it was the players' own decision to choose to play for the county team over their University. Tyrone were docked two points as a punishment, but this did not affect their progression into the semi-final stage.

Although Tyrone won the final, beating Donegal by 2-09 to 0-05, Tyrone were stripped of their title for fielding the ineligible University players in the match. The players had not been listed on the official team sheet, which was another breach of the rules. However, Tyrone's victory was reinstated upon appeal.

[GTP]

The rule as quoted is Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.
So any persons including a manager, coach and County Secretary could be included so it looks like GAA could hand out miultiple bans if they wished.
I'd hazard a guess it is a general term to ensure it captures a range of people who could be in charge such as manager, head coach, secretary etc rather than identify a specific role. If it said Manager in charge of a team it would allow an appeal on the basis that the individual is not the Manager in charge but the Head Coach. 
Could also be to ensure joint managers e.g. Tyrone Logan and Dooher, don't escape sanction.
In this case it looks like a straightforward situation and the suspension is warranted.

[lurganblue]

8 weeks is ridiculous but there's it in black and white. They all should have known better.

[Wildweasel74]

Here the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,

[trailer]

Here the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,

I know. They did wrong. Take your punishment.

[marty34]

For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.

Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.

Would the county secretary even know who's on the panel?

[J70]

Here the problem with the gaa, is everything is appealed, everything, time they severely tighten the rulebook and bring in a thing like in rugby where certain appeals are doubled, if unsuccessful.McGuinness thinks he's a law onto himself,

I know. They did wrong. Take your punishment.

Someday, in the way distant future, that might happen.

In the meantime, the GAA rules guidelines/gentle suggestions will remain subject to all kinds of frivolous objection and naked contempt.

[the_daddy]

For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.

Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.

Would the county secretary even know who's on the panel?

Considering they have to sign the teamsheets at the very minimum, I'd be surprised if they didn't

[marty34]

For Breach of lower Age Limit:
(i)Team Penalty:
On a Proven Objection – Award of Game to Opposing Team.
On an Inquiry by the Committee-in-Charge – Forfeiture of
Game without Award to the Opposing Team.
(ii) Player: For breach in any Grade – 2 weeks Suspension.
(iii) Person(s)-in-Charge of the Team in which the
breach is committed – 8 weeks Suspension.

Jim's only grounds for appeal is that he's not the person in charge of the team, so the county secretary is looking to take the fall for this one and probably rightly so.

Would the county secretary even know who's on the panel?

Considering they have to sign the teamsheets at the very minimum, I'd be surprised if they didn't

That's what I mean.  Do they even look at them in detail?

They just sign it.

[imtommygunn]

they will now 

[PMG1]

If this is appealed the competition will be put on hold pending a result and with the league starting shortly afterwards it's very unlikely it will ever be finished

[johnnycool]

If this is appealed the competition will be put on hold pending a result and with the league starting shortly afterwards it's very unlikely it will ever be finished

The appeal can only be about Jim's suspension, not the losing of the two points, that's a given as the lad wasn't 18 before the start of 2024.
Clear breach of the rules right there, no comeback from that.
Not knowing the rules shouldn't cut it.