McKenna Cup 2024

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How did that game finish?

Itchy


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Quote from: ck on January 04, 2024, 04:58:55 PMArmagh played Dublin last night in challenge game. Sent the U20s to fulfill the McKenna Cup fixture.
Seriously? That's one hell of a snub if true.

Armagh18

Just right. Madness looking Armagh to tr**p to Ballybofey at half 7 the first Wednesday in Jan for a glorified friendly against a team we be meeting in the league soon. We fulfilled the fixture and gave young lads a chance to be able to say the played for their county. Some might never play again but theres a couple there who'll be big names for us in the future hopefully.

bennydorano

Was that a panel for the whole competition or just that match? 🤔

markl121

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 07:50:27 PMJust right. Madness looking Armagh to tr**p to Ballybofey at half 7 the first Wednesday in Jan for a glorified friendly against a team we be meeting in the league soon. We fulfilled the fixture and gave young lads a chance to be able to say the played for their county. Some might never play again but theres a couple there who'll be big names for us in the future hopefully.
so they just went to Dublin instead?

ck

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 07:50:27 PMJust right. Madness looking Armagh to tr**p to Ballybofey at half 7 the first Wednesday in Jan for a glorified friendly against a team we be meeting in the league soon. We fulfilled the fixture and gave young lads a chance to be able to say the played for their county. Some might never play again but theres a couple there who'll be big names for us in the future hopefully.

That's one way of spinning it. The other way is that Armagh showed the competition complete disrespect. They sent their u20s to take a hiding which did them no favours at all. Meanwhile, instead of fulfilling their obligations McGeeney brought his players to Dublin to play the All-Ireland Champions, perhaps they see themselves more at Dublins level and Donegal are below them? All in all, a very strange call by Armagh no matter how you look at it.

yellowcard

Armagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.

I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.

Armagh18

Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.

I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.

yellowcard

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.

I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.

Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.

Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.

Armagh18

Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.

I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.

Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.

Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking. 

For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.

Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.

Itchy

Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.

I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.

Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.

Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking. 

For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.

Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.

Geezer is the boy, he makes the big calls and he stares off into the distance mysteriously thinking of the next cutting edge thing he will do.

And yet, he has won zero as a manager.

While not holding up Cavan as the perfect example, we managed to play Dublin in a challenge game this year already and also to field a proper team in the McKenna Cup.

toby47

Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.

I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.

Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.

Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking. 

For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.

Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.

Geezer is the boy, he makes the big calls and he stares off into the distance mysteriously thinking of the next cutting edge thing he will do.

And yet, he has won zero as a manager.

While not holding up Cavan as the perfect example, we managed to play Dublin in a challenge game this year already and also to field a proper team in the McKenna Cup.

The McKenna cup is a crappy pre season competition. I don't see why so many people care how teams approach it.

With all due respect, Geezer would have no interest in his Armagh team trying to be like Cavan.

Keyser soze

McGeeney not wanting to show his hand for the league  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Itchy

Quote from: toby47 on January 05, 2024, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2024, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 04, 2024, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on January 04, 2024, 09:37:48 PMArmagh have played Dublin regularly in friendlies since Dessie Farrell took over. Himself and Geezer are former club team mates.

I'd be more concerned how Bumpy O'Hagan and the county board thought it was a good idea to allow a bunch of young U-20 rookies to travel to Donegal to play a well conditioned team who have had a foreign training camp and weeks of hard training under their belts. It certainly wasn't done with the welfare of those young players in mind and just as well Donegal fielded a good few rookies themselves or it could have been a whole lot worse.
Wouldn't be too worried about the young lads. A chance to test yourself against top players in front of a good crowd- above all a senior appearance for your county which a lot of them may see few of again. Out and play with no pressure and no expectations as everyone knew Donegal would win well- out and put a shift in.

Well I'd beg to differ. There are Sigerson Cup teams or other U-20 county teams that can be used for that purpose. There were lads playing last night who have barely established themselves on their club senior teams never mind facing senior inter county players. The difference in terms of physical development between a good 18-19 year old and a well seasoned 25/26 year old player is huge.

Maybe it will sound the ultimate death knell for the pre season competitions though which have become even more pointless since the provincial competitions have become separated from the All Ireland series.
Doesn't matter what me or you think, at end of the day Geezer makes the call and I can see his thinking. 

For what it's worth I agree with you. Rather see(relatively) older lads who've been around a couple of years but not nailed down a starting spot like Cian McConville or Justin Kieran as well as likes of Ciaron O'Hanlon O O'Neill and Mark Shields etc who've been injured and not played much last year or 2. Maybe give a few of the best U20's there a chance along with those older boys.

Anyway come June/July we aren't gonna give a shite who played in the McKenna cup lol.

Geezer is the boy, he makes the big calls and he stares off into the distance mysteriously thinking of the next cutting edge thing he will do.

And yet, he has won zero as a manager.

While not holding up Cavan as the perfect example, we managed to play Dublin in a challenge game this year already and also to field a proper team in the McKenna Cup.

The McKenna cup is a crappy pre season competition. I don't see why so many people care how teams approach it.

With all due respect, Geezer would have no interest in his Armagh team trying to be like Cavan.

Maybe not, but then even Cavan have an ambition to win something which is why they wouldn't dream of appointing a bluffer like "Geezer"