Now that TOF is gone , we as supporters have to ask ourselves who would want this job.
It seems to me the norm for a manager in this county is :
1) Abuse from supporters about style tactic etc.
2) Lack of respect from players
3) Not having access to the best players.
4) Even media getting in on the abuse.
I'm not saying TOF was above criticism and I was the first to be critical over the past two weeks especially over tactics and fitness. His time was up but the personal abuse that he seems to be getting from social media and internet isnt on.
Take our previous manager Justin McNulty . During his time all he got was:
1) Abuse from supporters about style tactics etc.
2) Lack of respect from players
3) Not having access to the best players.
4) Even media getting in on the abuse.
During his time , we contested an all-ireland 1/4 and went out to years in a row to the previous all-ireland champions , we were one of the fittest teams in Ireland, had a professional set-up with stats men, a brill s+C coach in barry solan, yet people weren't happy. Will this be any different in two years time?? This leads me to the question: What do we want? I for one would rather my county kicking football into late july/august rather than been out by the third saturday in June.
There seems to be alarm at our lack of underage success which is true however if our senior football team hasn't go the backing off everyone in laois (fans, potential players, county board, professional set -up) all the talent and underage success in the world won't do.
Jim McGuiness will take this on to show he was no flash in the pan. Mark my words.
Jim can stay where he is.
I have every confidence that our County Board will do everything in their power to appoint someone who can "take Laois to the next level", as they did on 2013.
Quote from: redsetanta on June 24, 2015, 01:01:35 PM
Jim can stay where he is.
I think Beanos point has been proven with this post. Even the great Jim McGuinness wouldn't be welcomed here.
Quote from: beano on June 24, 2015, 12:38:41 PM
3) Not having access to the best players.
You seem to put a lot of stock into the feelings of a few cranks on an internet forum.
Every county has its cranks, even Jim McGuinness wasn't universally loved in Donegal. Dont believe different. Cheddar isn't here. Its how it is. Its mental, but thats the human psyche for you, we're mental.
Ask yourself why TOF didnt have "access to the best players" for a second. Then name the players, just for the shits and giggles.
Quote from: Unison on June 24, 2015, 01:31:52 PM
I have every confidence that our County Board will do everything in their power to appoint someone who can "take Laois to the next level", as they did on 2013.
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In fairness to him, he never did say whether that level was lower or higher.
No.
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
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Quote from: redsetanta on June 24, 2015, 01:01:35 PM
Jim can stay where he is.
Tongue in cheek ???
Not that he would want to take Laois over anyway but is McGuinness not getting more heavily involved in Celtic? I thought I read somewhere he is interested in getting his UEFA coaching badges.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
Quote from: Don Draper on June 25, 2015, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 25, 2015, 10:13:27 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
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Quote from: Don Draper on June 25, 2015, 12:41:54 PM
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
Hard to know, he didnt speak to anyone after the match find out.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
Hard to know, he didnt speak to anyone after the match find out.
To put it different, have you spoken to any Laois fans who have spoken positively about his term and indicated they'd have liked him to stay?
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
Hard to know, he didnt speak to anyone after the match find out.
To put it different, have you spoken to any Laois fans who have spoken positively about his term and indicated they'd have liked him to stay?
Oh yea, loads. You'd always tend to hear loads of positivity about a manager of a team who fucked away two leads against Kildare and were beaten by Tipperary and Antrim at home in the Championship.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
Hard to know, he didnt speak to anyone after the match find out.
To put it different, have you spoken to any Laois fans who have spoken positively about his term and indicated they'd have liked him to stay?
Oh yea, loads. You'd always tend to hear loads of positivity about a manager of a team who fucked away two leads against Kildare and were beaten by Tipperary and Antrim at home in the Championship.
So the same cycle will continue over and over irrespective whether the manager is internal or external?
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
Hard to know, he didnt speak to anyone after the match find out.
To put it different, have you spoken to any Laois fans who have spoken positively about his term and indicated they'd have liked him to stay?
Oh yea, loads. You'd always tend to hear loads of positivity about a manager of a team who fucked away two leads against Kildare and were beaten by Tipperary and Antrim at home in the Championship.
So the same cycle will continue over and over irrespective whether the manager is internal or external?
Listen, Heffo, if that is your real name, can I call you heffo? Cheers. Heffo, Tomás chose to step down, because he realised his role was untenable after managing two shocking defeats. This happens. You said about Laois running a manager and I said he wasn't run, he ran. He ran so fast, he didnt even talk to anyone leaving. Tomás is a nice man, and he realised the game was up. Now, lets leave it at that shall we Heffo. Cheers mate.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
Hard to know, he didnt speak to anyone after the match find out.
To put it different, have you spoken to any Laois fans who have spoken positively about his term and indicated they'd have liked him to stay?
Oh yea, loads. You'd always tend to hear loads of positivity about a manager of a team who fucked away two leads against Kildare and were beaten by Tipperary and Antrim at home in the Championship.
So the same cycle will continue over and over irrespective whether the manager is internal or external?
Listen, Heffo, if that is your real name, can I call you heffo? Cheers. Heffo, Tomás chose to step down, because he realised his role was untenable after managing two shocking defeats. This happens. You said about Laois running a manager and I said he wasn't run, he ran. He ran so fast, he didnt even talk to anyone leaving. Tomás is a nice man, and he realised the game was up. Now, lets leave it at that shall we Heffo. Cheers mate.
I think you're struggling in general with the concept of a discussion forum
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Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
Laois are better than what they have shown in recent years. I think it would be quite easy to get a better manager than TOF.
It seems that every manager for the last fifteen years has been ran out of the place whether he was internal or external.
O Flatharta resigned.
I know that but there have been a single Laois supporter who would've wanted him to stay had he not resigned straight away?
Hard to know, he didnt speak to anyone after the match find out.
To put it different, have you spoken to any Laois fans who have spoken positively about his term and indicated they'd have liked him to stay?
Oh yea, loads. You'd always tend to hear loads of positivity about a manager of a team who fucked away two leads against Kildare and were beaten by Tipperary and Antrim at home in the Championship.
So the same cycle will continue over and over irrespective whether the manager is internal or external?
Listen, Heffo, if that is your real name, can I call you heffo? Cheers. Heffo, Tomás chose to step down, because he realised his role was untenable after managing two shocking defeats. This happens. You said about Laois running a manager and I said he wasn't run, he ran. He ran so fast, he didnt even talk to anyone leaving. Tomás is a nice man, and he realised the game was up. Now, lets leave it at that shall we Heffo. Cheers mate.
I think you're struggling in general with the concept of a discussion forum
I just dont like people being wrong, so I corrected you and we had an enjoyable to and fro. But I can't see it becoming anything more meaningful than that, no matter how much you wish for it. I am sorry Heffo ol pal.
Article on Hoganstand says we are likely to shop locally for a new manager. It names Joe Higgins, Tom Conroy, Chris Conway, Fergal Byron and Pat Roe as likely candidates. I hope a local appointment doesn't end in tears.
I would agree with those who suggest that a John Evans type football supremo appointment should be made.
Quote from: Unison on June 25, 2015, 07:44:46 PM
Article on Hoganstand says we are likely to shop locally for a new manager. It names Joe Higgins, Tom Conroy, Chris Conway, Fergal Byron and Pat Roe as likely candidates. I hope a local appointment doesn't end in tears.
I would agree with those who suggest that a John Evans type football supremo appointment should be made.
Sean Dempsey and Mick Dempsey for the supremo. Make it happen.
Pat Roe wont get next nor near the Laois job, and even he knows that.
If we could get a modern manager, someone who thinks about the game and its methods, someone who can organise a team to play to its strenghts and hide its weaknesses. Unfortunatly I don't think that man is in Laois.
It can't be denied now that Justin McNulty was getting about as much as can be got out of this squad of players. It wasn't always perfect but he made us competitive. Many Laois fans thought we had the players to play a more attacking game, it's clear that we do not.
We need defensive organisation and an attack based around Kingston. We need a young manager that has the qualities I described earlier and someone that's passionate about the game. We need Tony McEntee.
If we were to go local, I think I'd go for Chris Conway. I always thought he might have the makings of a good manager.
Outside of the county, I'd go for one Martin McHugh (did a great job in Cavan and still doing it with Sligo IT), McStay, Gilroy. I don't know if I'd risk an inexperienced manager from outside the county to be honest.
I think it's going to have to be a young Laois manager prob someone off the 2003 team and managing at club level that would make Joe Higgins the early favourite any sort of a decent showing from Arles Kileen and he has the job. I would think Chris is a good future manager but he is still playing and thats never a good thing. Clancy and Kavanagh if they got a decent run would be considered. A couple who should be considered are Tommy Conroy and Mick Moore but they have been around awhile and have not been considered. This years club championship will be the C.V for the Laois manager.
I agree with having a local manager for the senior job but not to forget the urgent work needed at underage level to get back to competing in Leinster should be primary aim. Hard to believe it's 8 years since we competed in a minor leinster final ad very little to show for.
TOF was certainly found out, he was found out before the Laois job in fairness. Whats needed is a good management team. Good managers surround themselves with good people and delegate all the roles creating a professional set up where nothing is left to chance. Justin Mcnulty had such a set up but his failing was tactically going forward he had very little ideas, the best example was the quarter final against Dublin where we ran them very close but I never once really thought we would win it.
I dont mind given outside managers a chance once they are proven but i can t think of any ones out there that are available. But we have some good coaches and managers working hard in Laois. My club Kilcavan had Derek Conroy for example for a few years, he also did a decent job with the u-21s this year, not the best tactically attacking wise similar to Mcnulty but he was very organised and an excellent defensive coach. I would like to see a management team of Joe Higgins and a few others like Conway, Conroy. These are proud Laois men who would know every player in the county regardless of grade. If they gave half what they gave as players we would do very well indeed.
I also agree that the underage structure needs help as we seem to be producing very few new talents in recent years, Sean Dempsey may have been found wanting at senior level but the man did great work at underage and should be in charge of this.
Sean not unlike Brian Kerr.
Laois should get him back involved underage if it's something he would do. He hasn't been out of work since leaving Laois. Plenty of set ups have availed of his services.
Quote from: Giovanni on June 27, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
If we were to go local, I think I'd go for Chris Conway. I always thought he might have the makings of a good manager.
Outside of the county, I'd go for one Martin McHugh (did a great job in Cavan and still doing it with Sligo IT), McStay, Gilroy. I don't know if I'd risk an inexperienced manager from outside the county to be honest.
Ah FFS McHugh is a bluffer of the highest order, his day is done.
We have to get real here, we're not going to get any top manager in at this point .
Any manager doing a small bit of research at all will discover that the back bone of that squad will all be over thirty next year and there's very little coming through despite the optimistic posts above.
I think we'll struggle to get a manager even from within.
Someone above said our underage system need a bet of help. That's understatement if ever I saw one.
It's an absolute f*****g discrace the way our underage system has being neglected.
Are Longford in the Leinster minor final ???
Were our Minors and U21's not competitive this year? Things have been far worse, thats for sure.
Quote from: Don Draper on June 29, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
Were our Minors and U21's not competitive this year? Things have been far worse, thats for sure.
Ok you could argue that we were competitive this year, it's a long way from where we were and the numbers presenting themselves for squads are very disappointing if I'm not mistaking.
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Quote from: Giovanni on June 27, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
If we were to go local, I think I'd go for Chris Conway. I always thought he might have the makings of a good manager.
Outside of the county, I'd go for one Martin McHugh (did a great job in Cavan and still doing it with Sligo IT), McStay, Gilroy. I don't know if I'd risk an inexperienced manager from outside the county to be honest.
Ah FFS McHugh is a bluffer of the highest order, his day is done.
Bluffer............????!!!
I know that his work in Cavan in extremely well regarded (he won the Ulster title with them after a gap of 30 years or something) and he was offered the Donegal job before Jim McGuinness got it so that's at least 2 serious counties that don't think he's a bluffer. He's also got Sligo IT punching above their weight in the Sigerson. And your suggestion is Sean and Mick Dempsey, right?
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Quote from: Don Draper on June 29, 2015, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: Giovanni on June 27, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
If we were to go local, I think I'd go for Chris Conway. I always thought he might have the makings of a good manager.
Outside of the county, I'd go for one Martin McHugh (did a great job in Cavan and still doing it with Sligo IT), McStay, Gilroy. I don't know if I'd risk an inexperienced manager from outside the county to be honest.
Ah FFS McHugh is a bluffer of the highest order, his day is done.
Bluffer............????!!!
I know that his work in Cavan in extremely well regarded (he won the Ulster title with them after a gap of 30 years or something) and he was offered the Donegal job before Jim McGuinness got it so that's at least 2 serious counties that don't think he's a bluffer. He's also got Sligo IT punching above their weight in the Sigerson. And your suggestion is Sean and Mick Dempsey, right?
How many years ago was McHugh in Cavan? Donegal dodged a hell of a bullet, imagine if they hadn't gotten McGuinness?! Sligo IT punching above their weight?!! Look at the players and counties they're drawing from, Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Donegal, to name just 4!
And point out where I suggested Sean and Mick?
A new coach is way down the list of priorities. We are approaching the month of July and club football is the usual part time pursuit it always is at this time of the year in Laois. Games being conceded all over the place because they are meaningless. If we don't expect teams to play games, and we allow this mentality to prevail, we can hardly complain when our players look flakey under pressure. The senior panel obviously put in the effort, but mentally they are weak, and have been for quite some time. I don't for a minute believe that we don't have the potential to be at least equal with Kildare or Westmeath, but we treat football like a hobby in this county, and we get a kicking most years now because of it. The County Board have lost control. I have seen events in recent months that would warrant serious Garda intervention, but somehow seem allowable on the field of play on Laois. We're getting what we ask for and the pity is that it shows no sign of changing.
High Fielder: We can blame the county board on alot of things but not because of no championship in mid July. Any county board across the county cant fix games in July due to the qualifiers. Instead we have league games which by their name are games!! Most clubs don't want championship in July or August as many of their younger players are in America or the older guys with families are on hols. Even if the county board fixed championship for July it still wont stop people going on J1s. In fact I think the structure of the championship is one of the best in the country.
As for the "meaningless league games" its up to the clubs to change this attitude- Maybe a sanction of conceding two games gets you kicked out of championship. Its about time clubs in this county got their house in order. I live outside laois and the clubs around me have the same problem as those in Laois however they seem to just get on with it.
Martin Mchugh?? He managed Cavan to ulster title in 1997, thats a world away from the level needed to compete in todays game to be fair. He turned down his own county also so would hardly take up a county like ourselves anyway. Also with regards to the underage setup, being successful is not what it is all about, as Dapper Dan said being competitive is whats important, each year a minor team should produce 2/3 players good enough to be top senior level players.
If they win trophies at underage level fine but not the end of the world, Ross Munnelly was hardly on successful underage teams yet he is one of the best senior players we ever produced. Also look at the Westmeath team that took Meath apart in the second half at the weekend, they have hardly being uprooting trees at underage recently yet they had plenty of youthful talent on the pitch who were well coached and unlike Laois this year did not fall apart when all looked lost. I think our panel (even without absentees this year) is every bit as good if not better than Westmeaths yet they are on a high looking forward to a Leinster final while we must enjoy our armchairs and high stools for the rest of the summer
Quote from: Joeythelips on June 30, 2015, 11:20:32 AM
Martin Mchugh?? He managed Cavan to ulster title in 1997, thats a world away from the level needed to compete in todays game to be fair. He turned down his own county also so would hardly take up a county like ourselves anyway. Also with regards to the underage setup, being successful is not what it is all about, as Dapper Dan said being competitive is whats important, each year a minor team should produce 2/3 players good enough to be top senior level players.
If they win trophies at underage level fine but not the end of the world, Ross Munnelly was hardly on successful underage teams yet he is one of the best senior players we ever produced. Also look at the Westmeath team that took Meath apart in the second half at the weekend, they have hardly being uprooting trees at underage recently yet they had plenty of youthful talent on the pitch who were well coached and unlike Laois this year did not fall apart when all looked lost. I think our panel (even without absentees this year) is every bit as good if not better than Westmeaths yet they are on a high looking forward to a Leinster final while we must enjoy our armchairs and high stools for the rest of the summer
Wouldn't agree with you there Joey re the underage,we know we can win at underage because we have done it.
The likelihood is we won't do it at senior level because we don't have the resources (finance,jobs to keep 30 odd players local ) even if we had the players.
So why not concentrate on underage indefinitely and see where that takes us.
Quote from: beano on June 30, 2015, 10:06:25 AM
High Fielder: We can blame the county board on alot of things but not because of no championship in mid July. Any county board across the county cant fix games in July due to the qualifiers. Instead we have league games which by their name are games!! Most clubs don't want championship in July or August as many of their younger players are in America or the older guys with families are on hols. Even if the county board fixed championship for July it still wont stop people going on J1s. In fact I think the structure of the championship is one of the best in the country.
As for the "meaningless league games" its up to the clubs to change this attitude- Maybe a sanction of conceding two games gets you kicked out of championship. Its about time clubs in this county got their house in order. I live outside laois and the clubs around me have the same problem as those in Laois however they seem to just get on with it.
I didn't ask for Championship football in July. I don't know where you plucked that one from. At least one and probably two rounds of the Championship should be played already, perhaps in April or May. It would get lads thinking properly, earlier, about football. I don't know who we think we are that we can swan around until July before putting in a proper effort. The results at county level don't back up the structures as they exist right now, and besides, more than half the clubs in Senior only exist to stay out of Intermediate. A right breeding ground for mediocrity if you ask me, and sure enough, that's what we are; mediocre.
The above said, I like your idea about throwing clubs out of the Championship and/or relegating/regrading them if they don't field teams. The recent situation is pathetic and along with discipline, ranks as two serious areas that need to be addressed. Laois football has turned into a spiteful arena with little or no intervention from referees or the county board. I reiterate what I said in my first post. Some of the stuff that goes on should be under the noses of the Gardaí, yet as far as I know, hasn't even been investigated by the County Board. If our top men have such little respect for football and players in the county, then I'm afraid we are looking down the barrel.
Good man High Fielder, Huey will never be dead as long as you are around.
I would usually get excited about a turnaround in fortunes in Laois senior football when we begin the hunt for a new manager after
the poor reign of a previous manager but no point this time from what many people around the county are saying about the upcoming appointment.
Apparently there is very little money to attract a manager, not a that a feel throwing money at a mgr is the answer but if we were to get interest from a man who can unite the county and make the most of what we have we dont have the cash to meet his demand in terms of himself ,his mgt team and funding for a truly top class professional set up.
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Quote from: Joeythelips on June 30, 2015, 11:20:32 AM
Martin Mchugh?? He managed Cavan to ulster title in 1997, thats a world away from the level needed to compete in todays game to be fair. He turned down his own county also so would hardly take up a county like ourselves anyway. Also with regards to the underage setup, being successful is not what it is all about, as Dapper Dan said being competitive is whats important, each year a minor team should produce 2/3 players good enough to be top senior level players.
If they win trophies at underage level fine but not the end of the world, Ross Munnelly was hardly on successful underage teams yet he is one of the best senior players we ever produced. Also look at the Westmeath team that took Meath apart in the second half at the weekend, they have hardly being uprooting trees at underage recently yet they had plenty of youthful talent on the pitch who were well coached and unlike Laois this year did not fall apart when all looked lost. I think our panel (even without absentees this year) is every bit as good if not better than Westmeaths yet they are on a high looking forward to a Leinster final while we must enjoy our armchairs and high stools for the rest of the summer
Wouldn't agree with you there Joey re the underage,we know we can win at underage because we have done it.
The likelihood is we won't do it at senior level because we don't have the resources (finance,jobs to keep 30 odd players local ) even if we had the players.
So why not concentrate on underage indefinitely and see where that takes us.
Interesting thought there OTF
The minor result the weekend doesn't put our minor team far off the mark in leinster, Think Derek Conroy has done done a decent job with our 21s too this year would like to see both there next year with mick lillis over minors anyone know if thats happening? On the senior side of it would like to see niall tully involved if interested we need men that know our players imo.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/meet-the-football-man-at-heart-of-kilkennys-hurling-dynasty-31348227.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/meet-the-football-man-at-heart-of-kilkennys-hurling-dynasty-31348227.html)
Very good article on Mick Dempsey and the respect he has down the road.
Quote from: redsetanta on July 03, 2015, 09:14:59 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/meet-the-football-man-at-heart-of-kilkennys-hurling-dynasty-31348227.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/meet-the-football-man-at-heart-of-kilkennys-hurling-dynasty-31348227.html)
Very good article on Mick Dempsey and the respect he has down the road.
Any chance they might approach him to return to Laois and Football?
Would be a great appointment if possible,, but I would like to see him ina dual-manager setup,, with one of the lads from the minor- glory years who are currently involved in football,, I think it would be very exciting,,,
Quote from: Windbreaker on July 03, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
Would be a great appointment if possible,, but I would like to see him ina dual-manager setup,, with one of the lads from the minor- glory years who are currently involved in football,, I think it would be very exciting,,,
I can't see any reason why he'd leave possibly the greatest team in the history of the GAA to come to Laois.
If Cody finishes up or fires him maybe but I'd say there would be plenty of more attractive offers on the table, once bitten twice shy and all that.
Without a doubt we need an inside man with a bit of passion for the county colours. We need to start off again similar to the hurling setup when Cheddar took over. I think Niall Tully would be a very passionate man to be involved some way or other.
What has Tully shown to prove he deserves the job? f**k all.
The money was there for Justin. The money will be there for another recognised coach. I'd call James Horan.
Sorry to butt in here but I would say the chances of James Horan considering any other job other than the M ayo job are slim and none .Laois have a lot of good footballers ,especially down the middle of their team and any decent manager should relish taking over that team and taking them to the next level ,but who that is to be I do not know
Getting a decent manager is going to be a difficult one. First of all money will be an issue. I dont think our finances are in a good state right now and will be untill we get more game money from a refurbished O Moore Park. Also the revenue from all county ticket draw is diminishing year on year. Revenues from croke Park are also diminishing due to our lack of success. Secondly the new manager will also look at the age profile of the present team, Quite a few are 30 or over, Quigley.Begley,Timmons,Strong,Ross,Donoher,Billy,(McMahon,O Leary if they return). We will have to replace these players shortly so whoever comes in is in for a big transition period with the prospect of very little success.
Quote from: maigheo on July 04, 2015, 03:21:12 AM
Sorry to butt in here but I would say the chances of James Horan considering any other job other than the M ayo job are slim and none .Laois have a lot of good footballers ,especially down the middle of their team and any decent manager should relish taking over that team and taking them to the next level ,but who that is to be I do not know
Thanks Mrs Horan. Let us know if James can come out to play another time in the future.
Quote from: The Monument Road on July 04, 2015, 07:15:41 AM
Getting a decent manager is going to be a difficult one. First of all money will be an issue. I dont think our finances are in a good state right now and will be untill we get more game money from a refurbished O Moore Park. Also the revenue from all county ticket draw is diminishing year on year. Revenues from croke Park are also diminishing due to our lack of success. Secondly the new manager will also look at the age profile of the present team, Quite a few are 30 or over, Quigley.Begley,Timmons,Strong,Ross,Donoher,Billy,(McMahon,O Leary if they return). We will have to replace these players shortly so whoever comes in is in for a big transition period with the prospect of very little success.
Our finances are holding fine, but thats not where the money for a new manager will come from anyway, and we all know that. The money will come from up the M7 if we ask nicely, and have a manager worthy of the name. Get the right man, and then put it to the money men.
Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 04, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
Have some f**king manners you, how dare you belittle Clubs who put their players forward, or the players for having the balls to step forward. f**k you and your attitude, big man from behind your username having the gall to make little of men like Eoin Culliton, Damien O Connor, Pauric Clancy, Brendan Quigley, Paul Begley, Barney Maher, Colm Kelly and Tom Shiel. I'd love to see you say it to their f**king faces. You horrible little p***k. I'd take any of these men over the Portlaoise men you seem to think more of, ones who havent the stones to take on the challenge that winning a place on an intercounty team requires. f**k enticements, the jersey is all the enticement the lads in there need.
Quote from: Don Draper on July 04, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 04, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
Have some f**king manners you, how dare you belittle Clubs who put their players forward, or the players for having the balls to step forward. f**k you and your attitude, big man from behind your username having the gall to make little of men like Eoin Culliton, Damien O Connor, Pauric Clancy, Brendan Quigley, Paul Begley, Barney Maher, Colm Kelly and Tom Shiel. I'd love to see you say it to their f**king faces. You horrible little p***k. I'd take any of these men over the Portlaoise men you seem to think more of, ones who havent the stones to take on the challenge that winning a place on an intercounty team requires. f**k enticements, the jersey is all the enticement the lads in there need.
Calm down! Everybody's entitled to an opinion.
Quote from: Unison on July 04, 2015, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on July 04, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 04, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
Have some f**king manners you, how dare you belittle Clubs who put their players forward, or the players for having the balls to step forward. f**k you and your attitude, big man from behind your username having the gall to make little of men like Eoin Culliton, Damien O Connor, Pauric Clancy, Brendan Quigley, Paul Begley, Barney Maher, Colm Kelly and Tom Shiel. I'd love to see you say it to their f**king faces. You horrible little p***k. I'd take any of these men over the Portlaoise men you seem to think more of, ones who havent the stones to take on the challenge that winning a place on an intercounty team requires. f**k enticements, the jersey is all the enticement the lads in there need.
Calm down! Everybody's entitled to an opinion.
Thats not an opinion, its a swipe at good honest Laois men from behind an anonymous username, with a f**king throwaway "no disrespect to etc etc" thrown in at the end to give himself a get out. f**k him and his "enticements" too.
Quote from: Don Draper on July 04, 2015, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: Unison on July 04, 2015, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on July 04, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 04, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
Have some f**king manners you, how dare you belittle Clubs who put their players forward, or the players for having the balls to step forward. f**k you and your attitude, big man from behind your username having the gall to make little of men like Eoin Culliton, Damien O Connor, Pauric Clancy, Brendan Quigley, Paul Begley, Barney Maher, Colm Kelly and Tom Shiel. I'd love to see you say it to their f**king faces. You horrible little p***k. I'd take any of these men over the Portlaoise men you seem to think more of, ones who havent the stones to take on the challenge that winning a place on an intercounty team requires. f**k enticements, the jersey is all the enticement the lads in there need.
Calm down! Everybody's entitled to an opinion.
Thats not an opinion, its a swipe at good honest Laois men from behind an anonymous username, with a f**king throwaway "no disrespect to etc etc" thrown in at the end to give himself a get out. f**k him and his "enticements" too.
:D Taking swipes behind an anonymous username. I hope the irony is not lost on you.
Quote from: Don Draper on July 04, 2015, 02:10:32 AM
What has Tully shown to prove he deserves the job? f**k all.
The money was there for Justin. The money will be there for another recognised coach. I'd call James Horan.
The money for McNulty came from a certain Nite Club owner in Dublin apparently, it wasnt directly out of the CB coffers. I doubt we will be able to rely on a benefactor again.
I get the feeling we are going to appoint an internal candidate which are few and far between.
Tommy Conroy was mentioned but given his work commitments I cant see him being able.
Pat Roe at least has inter county experience but didnt do a good job at Offaly (but not many have).
Mick Lillis was been involved with the minors but has a lot of detractors within the county.
Joe Higgins has yet to win anything at club lever bar a league and a kelly cup and was essentially ran out of Graigue.
Chris Conway similarly has no managerial experience at inter county level and suggestions that he would work along side Higgins are laughable.
Mark Kavanagh is currently involved with the Westmeath management team so depending on how well they finish this year I cant imagine him leaving them if they are on an upward curve. Especially after being overlooked for Sean Dempsey.
Mick Dempsey - if you think he is going to leave Kilkenny for the pure hardship of Laois football you have a screw loose.
So all in all the field is slim and short on quality. If I was a betting man I would imagine that the CB will appoint a management team heavily based around the 2003 winning squad.
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Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
Have some f**king manners you, how dare you belittle Clubs who put their players forward, or the players for having the balls to step forward. f**k you and your attitude, big man from behind your username having the gall to make little of men like Eoin Culliton, Damien O Connor, Pauric Clancy, Brendan Quigley, Paul Begley, Barney Maher, Colm Kelly and Tom Shiel. I'd love to see you say it to their f**king faces. You horrible little p***k. I'd take any of these men over the Portlaoise men you seem to think more of, ones who havent the stones to take on the challenge that winning a place on an intercounty team requires. f**k enticements, the jersey is all the enticement the lads in there need.
Calm down! Everybody's entitled to an opinion.
Thats not an opinion, its a swipe at good honest Laois men from behind an anonymous username, with a f**king throwaway "no disrespect to etc etc" thrown in at the end to give himself a get out. f**k him and his "enticements" too.
:D Taking swipes behind an anonymous username. I hope the irony is not lost on you.
Could not give a w**k what u call me, my point goes back to portlaoise players it is an opinion. you say pride in the jersey where was that second half against Kildare & Antrim & Leinster Championship 2013 1st round vs Louth all matches I paid money to go in & to see pride in jersey but there was none of that. Think we have better players in laois who will not come in to a half a***d laois setup, If we go & get a couple Laois men we have a good chance of getting a decent team out. Niall Tully, Chris Conway combination something to that effect I would be happy with it.
I'm not that familiar with niall Tully, I know he's trained teams over the years alright. Would he have any experience inter county wise? Or what's the thinking behind wanting him?
Like I'm all for a laois man in charge, but it can't just be for the sake of having a laois man. Surely it has to be the best man for the job... or the best we can get!. The last time we had a clamour for a laois man we had an obvious candidate in Sean dempsey, but I'm struggling to even think of anyone now. I'm not sure it's time to be gambling on a rookie.
He was involved with portlaoise teams at the start of there dominance.. just always hear very good things about his training, not sure he can lead a setup just putting a name out there.. Would like to see us as good as we can be.
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 04, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
I'd love to know who these Portlaoise players are who would make a difference to laois football. Cahalane is not interested no matter who is involved..He is committed to soccer in his spare time, Lilis is not good enough,Healey is only interested in Hurling and commutes from the UK....Glynn lives in the UK. Brody and Boyle are available...Maybe Cotter but he seems to be injury prone and cannot train at the level required...Rodgers is committed Pundit,,,Bruno is tied up with work schedules and is too old anyway. Rickey Maher is playing well in the local leagues...Not too many more is there....From The Terrace,Maybe you could add a few i missed
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 04, 2015, 04:02:23 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on July 04, 2015, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: Unison on July 04, 2015, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on July 04, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 04, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Whoever takes this on has obviously a tough task, how we avoided the drop to div3 over the past couple of seasons is pure luck. An outside man is not the answer imo. The portlaoise issue is at the root to the problem in laois until that is sorted were going round in circles. This is why i would like to see some portlaoise men involved in the management team in some way. I know the argument is out there that portlaoise players don't want to be there & were better off with players who want to be there. I think we should try & entice these players back. It is after all an amateur sport ;D. It makes no sense over the past 4/5 season, We've seen 4/5 timahoe/stradbally players in county setup & 2/3 from portlaoise. No disrespect to those clubs or players.
Have some f**king manners you, how dare you belittle Clubs who put their players forward, or the players for having the balls to step forward. f**k you and your attitude, big man from behind your username having the gall to make little of men like Eoin Culliton, Damien O Connor, Pauric Clancy, Brendan Quigley, Paul Begley, Barney Maher, Colm Kelly and Tom Shiel. I'd love to see you say it to their f**king faces. You horrible little p***k. I'd take any of these men over the Portlaoise men you seem to think more of, ones who havent the stones to take on the challenge that winning a place on an intercounty team requires. f**k enticements, the jersey is all the enticement the lads in there need.
Calm down! Everybody's entitled to an opinion.
Thats not an opinion, its a swipe at good honest Laois men from behind an anonymous username, with a f**king throwaway "no disrespect to etc etc" thrown in at the end to give himself a get out. f**k him and his "enticements" too.
:D Taking swipes behind an anonymous username. I hope the irony is not lost on you.
He can have a cut at me all he likes, having a cut at the those he did disgusts me. I couldnt be arsed replying to his post because he's made some a shite of the quote function, but this goes for him too.
Oh and Niall Tully isn't a Laois man.
Niall Tully is a coach and has a good reputation in the county, plenty of the laois minors who wont all irelands in the 90s would have been trained by him at school level (he was a teacher in Ballyfin) and players speak very highly of him Don is right he is not from Laois, he a meath man.
Antrims hammering today really underlines TOF's reign as a failure.
Antrim were always going to be beaten, they are f**king scutter, even by their own fans admission. Our defeat was the best thing that could have happened because we got rid of TOF and can have a serious look at our problems instead of struggling through a soft as shit side of a qualifier draw. I thank Antrim for beating us.
Not sure what Tully has done lately that people still rate him so highly, the mid 90s were 20 years ago.
Tully knows the clubscene in laois, He knows the players & knows laois football. I am not saying he is the man but would like to see a man with a good reputation like him involved. Brian Mulligan, Dean Cullen, there is more on there panel should be looked think if we got the right management team in there cahir healy could return to panel in the future, Also think there a few more good footballers the around county James Moore & Gary Walsh, Anyone hear of names in frame for this?
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 06, 2015, 05:19:35 PM
Tully knows the clubscene in laois, He knows the players & knows laois football. I am not saying he is the man but would like to see a man with a good reputation like him involved. Brian Mulligan, Dean Cullen, there is more on there panel should be looked think if we got the right management team in there cahir healy could return to panel in the future, Also think there a few more good footballers the around county James Moore & Gary Walsh, Anyone hear of names in frame for this?
Brian Mulligan? Ah here, I like Brian, but even he wouldn't claim to be an answer at this stage.
I still don't see what Tully brings at this point, maybe someone could enlighten me.
No offence to the man but Tully shouldn't be even close to getting this job.
Are we giving up and saying any ouwl local man will do? We need someone to raise us again, we've slipped a long way back. If that man isn't in the county then we have to look further afield and hope we have the finance for it.
Not here to pick a laois senior football panel. Any whispers on candidates??
Quote from: From the Terrace on July 07, 2015, 11:43:22 PM
Not here to pick a laois senior football panel. Any whispers on candidates??
Very little yet, committees being formed, questions being asked. I also heard a rumour there was an online push for Niall Tully to get the job, please f**k that doesn't happen.
QuoteVery little yet, committees being formed, questions being asked. I also heard a rumour there was an online push for Niall Tully to get the job, please f**k that doesn't happen.
Not trying to be a Holy Joe or anything Don, but could you please cut out the expletives in your replies. Almost every reply you post have them and to be honest does nothing for the good points you are trying to make, in fact it makes you sound like a delinquent schoolboy.
There is no need for it and I think you would be taken far more seriously if you cut it out as you are a good poster and contribute some very valid points to this forum.
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 08, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
QuoteVery little yet, committees being formed, questions being asked. I also heard a rumour there was an online push for Niall Tully to get the job, please f**k that doesn't happen.
Not trying to be a Holy Joe or anything Don, but could you please cut out the expletives in your replies. Almost every reply you post have them and to be honest does nothing for the good points you are trying to make, in fact it makes you sound like a delinquent schoolboy.
There is no need for it and I think you would be taken far more seriously if you cut it out as you are a good poster and contribute some very valid points to this forum.
I think Don has dug his own grave at this stage. A lot of posters on this forum seem to have a complete lack of decorum and there is a complete respect for the other posters and their opinions. At least on Laoistalk there was a moderator to filter out some of this stuff so the real issues at hand could be discussed.
As for the management issue, I cant see any movement until we are well into the Club Championship. But the word is the CB is going to look local. Niall Tully has been mentioned a good bit on this forum for some reason, AFAIK he has no first hand management experience with a senior team? He has been a number two for Tommy Conroy and he trained a school team. No disrespect but there are better placed candidates within the county for the top job. Not ruling him out as a selector/trainer if he does have something to offer but I think we should be going for someone who has at least won county titles at club level.
Dessie Brennan would be a good appointment for Laois. Fine management record at club level, popular with players and a passionate Laoisman.
We can all influence the type of reply's that we want here by simply ignoring the offensive ones. Everyone is entitled to an opinion without being insulted if we don't agree with it.
On the management issue, I don't think the problem is who we get as manager, it's more who we get as panel members. We need to find a way to get committed lads on board who are prepared to have a few lean years while management try to build some sort of system that will improve our skills and attitudes.
It will take a better man than me to know how to do that but its the only way forward now. We are living on past glories far too long now, it's time to create some new ones....
Ah here if lads can't handle a few fucks they've never been at a match in their lives.
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 08, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
Not trying to be a Holy Joe or anything Don, but could you please cut out the expletives in your replies. Almost every reply you post have them and to be honest does nothing for the good points you are trying to make, in fact it makes you sound like a delinquent schoolboy.
There is no need for it and I think you would be taken far more seriously if you cut it out as you are a good poster and contribute some very valid points to this forum.
I couldn't agree more. It's hard to take someone who peppers his messages with expletives so much, seriously.
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 08, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
QuoteVery little yet, committees being formed, questions being asked. I also heard a rumour there was an online push for Niall Tully to get the job, please f**k that doesn't happen.
Not trying to be a Holy Joe or anything Don, but could you please cut out the expletives in your replies. Almost every reply you post have them and to be honest does nothing for the good points you are trying to make, in fact it makes you sound like a delinquent schoolboy.
There is no need for it and I think you would be taken far more seriously if you cut it out as you are a good poster and contribute some very valid points to this forum.
Fair play Junior.
"On the management issue, I don't think the problem is who we get as manager, it's more who we get as panel members. We need to find a way to get committed lads on board who are prepared to have a few lean years while management try to build some sort of system that will improve our skills and attitudes. "
would totally agree Junior,,, would Glen Ryan be a taught,,, did great stuff up in Longford highly rated up there,,
He could be a taught but the taught of a crackpot. Glen Ryan no, No, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 08, 2015, 01:45:58 PM
Dessie Brennan would be a good appointment for Laois. Fine management record at club level, popular with players and a passionate Laoisman.
Now we're talking. Not a more sincere or genuine man you could meet and has been very successful at club level. i know him well but i doubt if he would be accepted, No one in laois bar his club St Josephs would know anything about him and he would'nt be everyones cup of tea at Board level.
Maybe he could find us another Shane Cooke. :/
Quote from: Unison on July 08, 2015, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 08, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
Not trying to be a Holy Joe or anything Don, but could you please cut out the expletives in your replies. Almost every reply you post have them and to be honest does nothing for the good points you are trying to make, in fact it makes you sound like a delinquent schoolboy.
There is no need for it and I think you would be taken far more seriously if you cut it out as you are a good poster and contribute some very valid points to this forum.
I couldn't agree more. It's hard to take someone who peppers his messages with expletives so much, seriously.
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I'd take a different view, just ignore the expletives and read his posts.
As far as I can see he's well informed he certainly calls a spade a spade.
This could come back to haunt me but at this moment in time I like what Don is posting.
Quote from: The Melancholy Sloth on July 08, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
I think Don has dug his own grave at this stage. A lot of posters on this forum seem to have a complete lack of decorum and there is a complete respect for the other posters and their opinions. At least on Laoistalk there was a moderator to filter out some of this stuff so the real issues at hand could be discussed.
The irony considering who Don used to be on Laoistalk!
I believe chris conway would be an ideal candidate for the laois manager job, a well respected man around the county, a very proud laois man, has a good track record with training knockbeg college. Has an excellent knowledge of laois football. I feel he would bring an excitment back to football in the county and his experience with working with younger players could be beneifical in helping the senior team rebuild.
Tony McEntee lads. He's the man we need.
Any chance Woolly might be interested? Or that the county board might be interested in Woolly? :o
He makes a lot of sense from behind the mic and I'd imagine he'd be a players' manager. Could do worse??
I agree with what you say about Chris Conway in regards to his service to Laois and respect throughout the county.
But surely the minimum we would want someone who has experience in managing adult footballers?? He has a good track record with Knockbeg. But managing a school team and an inter county team are worlds apart. I don't think it even has any relevance, if it was for the minor job then yes.
In saying that, he would be a pick of mine for a selector role.
Tony McEntee is a good shout for me. Won 2 all ireland clubs as manager. Am I right in saying he is managing a club in Dublin at the moment?
Whoever takes this is going to be a brave man/men our last few managers have left with reputations worst than coming in, Arguably there reps were not too high. Is Mick Lillis in for this? or has he taken up minors for next year would prefer latter as he done a good job with those lads this year. Don't know dessie brennan.. Think maybe someone senior with chris conway would be an idea obviously not the man im supporting as he has not headed a management team before at this level don before you start getting your k******s in a twist again!!
I hear the Pillar Caffery is interested and that a local man would be on for funding it!
He'll be very good at getting lads to shout into opponents' faces..............
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 09, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
I hear the Pillar Caffery is interested and that a local man would be on for funding it!
I'm assuming that's tongue in cheek Unlaoised
Quote from: SCFC on July 08, 2015, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: The Melancholy Sloth on July 08, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
I think Don has dug his own grave at this stage. A lot of posters on this forum seem to have a complete lack of decorum and there is a complete respect for the other posters and their opinions. At least on Laoistalk there was a moderator to filter out some of this stuff so the real issues at hand could be discussed.
The irony considering who Don used to be on Laoistalk!
Ha Ha that is very good.
I guessed it was Huey or himself and Huey has no sense of humour
Not many internal candidates have done enough to suggest they deserve a shot, it's be a complete gamble.
Higgins, Clancy, Derek, have all done a bit, but little of note, Chris probably has the best CV of the 2003 bunch, and whilst it was mostly with college teams, is probably most deserving of a shot if its to be an internal appointment. I don't see how Tully could enter the equation, he was probably on the radar at some point 15 or so years ago, but i haven't seen much of him since.
Whilst Cheddar has done a great job with the hurlers, the job of Laois football manager has less room for error, a couple of good stuffings for ya as a football manager and you'll be given the door, that said TOF was not the answer. McNulty ran one of the best teams in the land fairly close in their own back yard, and all you'd hear was about the shit style he played.
If you could convince James Horan in some way to come, he'd be a good one, behind that sleepy exterior is a good football man!! ;)
Quote from: Windbreaker on July 08, 2015, 07:17:30 PM
"On the management issue, I don't think the problem is who we get as manager, it's more who we get as panel members. We need to find a way to get committed lads on board who are prepared to have a few lean years while management try to build some sort of system that will improve our skills and attitudes. "
would totally agree Junior,,, would Glen Ryan be a taught,,, did great stuff up in Longford highly rated up there,,
Familiar looking writing there WB !!
Quote from: Cruella De Vil on July 09, 2015, 05:03:53 PM
Not many internal candidates have done enough to suggest they deserve a shot, it's be a complete gamble.
Higgins, Clancy, Derek, have all done a bit, but little of note, Chris probably has the best CV of the 2003 bunch, and whilst it was mostly with college teams, is probably most deserving of a shot if its to be an internal appointment. I don't see how Tully could enter the equation, he was probably on the radar at some point 15 or so years ago, but i haven't seen much of him since.
Whilst Cheddar has done a great job with the hurlers, the job of Laois football manager has less room for error, a couple of good stuffings for ya as a football manager and you'll be given the door, that said TOF was not the answer. McNulty ran one of the best teams in the land fairly close in their own back yard, and all you'd hear was about the shit style he played.
If you could convince James Horan in some way to come, he'd be a good one, behind that sleepy exterior is a good football man!! ;)
I'd say there isn't a hope in hell, he already has a big job.
One of the merry go round managers might take it and that's the last thing we want.
sorry OTF that,s whay i put them lads on your post,,,'" " " , not stealing your thundedr just agreeing with you,, sorry if any offence caused,,, :-\
If I could pick my own choice of candidates I would definitely talk to Kevin McStay for the role, IMO he is exactly what we need, his teams play football in a way that would suit the Laois players at his disposal and he is known as an exceptional man manager and makes teams the greater than the sum of their parts.
In reality the next manager IMO will be Mick Lillis .
Quote from: portlaoisekid on July 10, 2015, 09:35:43 PM
In reality the next manager IMO will be Mick Lillis .
On what grounds? What has he ever done?
McStay would be a really good choice, he is a sickening b****x on the tele, but he has good management pedigree.
I don't see lillis getting it myself, think his chance has passed previous, unfortunately a journeyman is most likely, Midlands teams have a knack for appointing such brutes.
Quote from: Windbreaker on July 10, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
sorry OTF that,s whay i put them lads on your post,,,'" " " , not stealing your thundedr just agreeing with you,, sorry if any offence caused,,, :-\
No offence take at all WB.
Quote from: portlaoisekid on July 10, 2015, 09:35:43 PM
If I could pick my own choice of candidates I would definitely talk to Kevin McStay for the role, IMO he is exactly what we need, his teams play football in a way that would suit the Laois players at his disposal and he is known as an exceptional man manager and makes teams the greater than the sum of their parts.
In reality the next manager IMO will be Mick Lillis .
I didn't think of McStay, ok correct me if I'm wrong he's retired and lives near Athlone, Liam McHale is part of that package would they be interested that's the question.
With regard to Lillis is it just you guessing or have you heard something PK.
Quote from: OTF on July 10, 2015, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: portlaoisekid on July 10, 2015, 09:35:43 PM
If I could pick my own choice of candidates I would definitely talk to Kevin McStay for the role, IMO he is exactly what we need, his teams play football in a way that would suit the Laois players at his disposal and he is known as an exceptional man manager and makes teams the greater than the sum of their parts.
In reality the next manager IMO will be Mick Lillis .
I didn't think of McStay, ok correct me if I'm wrong he's retired and lives near Athlone, Liam McHale is part of that package would they be interested that's the question.
With regard to Lillis is it just you guessing or have you heard something PK.
I havent heard alot but I was chatting to a person close to the CB and he knows way more than I do and he said he would be surprised if the next manager wasnt MIck Lillis or Glen Ryan.
Quote from: portlaoisekid on July 10, 2015, 11:06:16 PMI havent heard alot but I was chatting to a person close to the CB and he knows way more than I do and he said he would be surprised if the next manager wasnt MIck Lillis or Glen Ryan.
Two candidates from the journeyman merrygoround. They can take us to the next level all right.
Unfortunately there seems to be no ambition on the part of the CB.
Quote from: Unison on July 10, 2015, 09:55:05 PM
What has he ever done for us?
Fixed.
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How much was O flaharta getting while he was at Laois? Not trying to stir stuff up just seeing if money could be best spent elsewhere within the county (if the CB even have it of course)!
Apparently O'Flatharta was only getting expenses!
Will be fascinating to see who will become the next Laois boss.
It really is anyones guess.
If nothing else, surely 2016 cant be any worse than 2015 in terms of the championship.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 12, 2015, 01:10:17 PM
Apparently O'Flatharta was only getting expenses!
If it's saving money is the name of the game, go back for Micko!!, sure he was commuting from Waterville for nothing apart from the love of the game!!
I wouldn't mind somebody getting paid if they had a good back room team including a good strength and conditioning coach , if the last manager was only getting expenses I'm sure his enthusiasm was easily picked up on by the players and the results followed.
In the last few years we have been beaten by Antrim louth Tipperary Longford so we are either dreaming about how good we are or we are league team and find it harder to compete in championship football. We need to generate some interest in the senior football team and I think a high profile manager can do it , go outside the country to the uk and USA and try get some sponsorship from laois people abroad see if there is any interest it can't hurt.
We either go all out to improve or forget about it I don't think there is any middle ground
Quote from: redsetanta on July 09, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 09, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
I hear the Pillar Caffery is interested and that a local man would be on for funding it!
I'm assuming that's tongue in cheek Unlaoised
No it wasn't I heard it from someone who thinks they know a bit.....
What I heard is the County board is aiming very high but the interest in the job might not be out there...
If I was a betting man I'd say Glen Ryan with Chris Conway looks very likely!
Maybe it will be a toatl suprise and the County board will for a change out do themselves but I doubt it.
I still think there is plenty of talent in the football ranks in this county to get us to an all-Ireland Qtr final again.
I mean look as Westmeath/Fermanagh Tipperary/Galway who are all one game away from that are we much behind those counties?
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 12, 2015, 01:10:17 PM
Apparently O'Flatharta was only getting expenses!
It's illegal to pay managers, all managers "only get expenses"
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 15, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: redsetanta on July 09, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on July 09, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
I hear the Pillar Caffery is interested and that a local man would be on for funding it!
I'm assuming that's tongue in cheek Unlaoised
No it wasn't I heard it from someone who thinks they know a bit.....
What I heard is the County board is aiming very high but the interest in the job might not be out there...
If I was a betting man I'd say Glen Ryan with Chris Conway looks very likely!
Maybe it will be a toatl suprise and the County board will for a change out do themselves but I doubt it.
I still think there is plenty of talent in the football ranks in this county to get us to an all-Ireland Qtr final again.
I mean look as Westmeath/Fermanagh Tipperary/Galway who are all one game away from that are we much behind those counties?
We were there under McNulty but we weren't one bit happy about the style of play.
Then we started romancing about attacking football led by the lads on midland radio,f*****g hell I do despair sometimes.
I would have Pillar over O'Flaharta any day....
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on July 15, 2015, 05:32:39 PM
I would have Pillar over O'Flaharta any day....
I can't say I ever liked him but then I might feel different if he was in our tent pissing out.
Billy Sheehan for the job?
Quote from: Unison on July 19, 2015, 11:14:21 PM
Billy Sheehan for the job?
Please tell me you are joking. I mean of all the people I have heard mentioned. Even Pillar Caffrey is a better suggestion and that was laughable.
Peter Creedon anyone?
Quote from: The Melancholy Sloth on July 20, 2015, 01:45:54 AM
Quote from: Unison on July 19, 2015, 11:14:21 PM
Billy Sheehan for the job?
Please tell me you are joking. I mean of all the people I have heard mentioned. Even Pillar Caffrey is a better suggestion and that was laughable.
I think good old Billy is after setting up camp in the big smoke after departing Emo. He has codded 3 Laois managers, i think he has done enough bluffing without giving him the top job in Laois
We had Billy in Ballyroan one year, good coach inexeperienced.
I'd like to see him coach a club team or two first. Or an underage county squad.
Any movement on a new management team?
It would be great to get someone in place before the local championships really kick into gear. Let them get to a few games to see if they see any potential new players, just having them visible at matches would do no harm for morale among supporters/players, it would show people they are genuinely interested in the local scene and not just inheriting the same squad. I know that more than likely the personnel wouldn't change much but at least they showed interest.
Has Michael Dempsey ever been approached for the job?
The only blip in a really impressive managerial career was his 2 years in charge of Laois in the late 90s. I was out of the country at the time so I don't really know what happened there but apart from that, I think he won Leinster while in charge of the u-21s, he won Leinster with O Hanrahans of Carlow and we all know about Kilkenny. Hard to see him leaving the Kilkenny job but he's definitely a proven manager.
Mick Dempsey was Laois Manager seems to be a better trainer than Manager. Sean Dempsey already has been Laois Manager and things did not go well. Personally I am not to bothered about a manager being appointed before the start of Club Championship as the manager should be a club manager within Laois. I think Joe Higgins is prob the front runner but Arles will have to be in the final to get him over the line.
Jack Sheedy has stepped down as Longford football manager. Sheedy with Sean Dempsey as coach?
already worked together and did a decent job with a limited longford side.
Quote from: Hospital Pass on July 22, 2015, 07:23:04 PM
Jack Sheedy has stepped down as Longford football manager. Sheedy with Sean Dempsey as coach?
already worked together and did a decent job with a limited longford side.
The Examiner had a piece on this last week, I wonder is there anything in it.
Nominations by the clubs by last Friday ? what's that about can someone explain.
I heard a rumour that Mick Lillis has been approached for the job. Don't know how reliable the info is but I said I would share it.
Quote from: Hospital Pass on July 22, 2015, 07:23:04 PM
Jack Sheedy has stepped down as Longford football manager. Sheedy with Sean Dempsey as coach?
already worked together and did a decent job with a limited longford side.
Jack showed with Longford and Sean with Laois that they are not strong tactically and at setting a team up to play the modern game. Justin McNulty was the strongest tactical Manager we have had in recent times but didn't seem to have the ability to instill passion into the players. Although I hate myself for saying it, if we want to compete to the same levels as Monaghan or Donegal (we probably have footballers as good as either), we need a systems orientated manager who is also a very good man and team manager. Micky Harte, Joe Kernan or Jim McGuinness types.
Jack Sheedy is the new Kilcock manager.
Jason Ryan should be available in the next few weeks. ;)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on August 05, 2015, 05:38:23 PM
Jack Sheedy is the new Kilcock manager.
Jason Ryan should be available in the next few weeks. ;)
Good....Thomas O Flaharta is also available for someone
Quote from: The Melancholy Sloth on August 05, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
I heard a rumour that Mick Lillis has been approached for the job. Don't know how reliable the info is but I said I would share it.
I understand there is a strong preference within the county executive for a Laois-man.
I believe Lillis has been proposed.
Quote from: merman on August 05, 2015, 06:21:32 PM
Quote from: The Melancholy Sloth on August 05, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
I heard a rumour that Mick Lillis has been approached for the job. Don't know how reliable the info is but I said I would share it.
I understand there is a strong preference within the county executive for a Laois-man.
I believe Lillis has been proposed.
Ah, Lord Jaysus, Lillis?
Mick Lillis??? Who is on the Selection panel is what i want to know
Quote from: Hospital Pass on August 05, 2015, 08:04:59 PM
Mick Lillis??? Who is on the Selection panel is what i want to know
I can't answer that.
My understanding is that a Laois man is preferred but that 'outsiders' would be considered. I also understand that we are looking for a package (manager, coaches, selectors etc) rather than an individual.
Clubs were asked to nominate people who were interested. I believe Mick Lillis was one such nomination.
It will be interesting to see who is on the selection committe. I hope they have free rein to approach names above and beyond those candidates put forward by the clubs.
It will be interesting to see who is on the selection committe. I hope they have free rein to approach names above and beyond those candidates put forward by the clubs.
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Very interesting Merman. I would agree with you about having the permission to go outside the candidates put forward if it ensures we get the best person possible because to be honest i'm not sure how serious the clubs take the nomination process.
Quote from: Hospital Pass on August 05, 2015, 09:05:29 PM
It will be interesting to see who is on the selection committe. I hope they have free rein to approach names above and beyond those candidates put forward by the clubs.
Very interesting Merman. I would agree with you about having the permission to go outside the candidates put forward if it ensures we get the best person possible because to be honest i'm not sure how serious the clubs take the nomination process.
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What's the point in going to the clubs in the first place if the selection committee can ignore their nominations.
I don't know much about Lillis but I gather by some comments he wouldn't be universally loved.
Quote from: OTF on August 05, 2015, 09:22:40 PM
I don't know much about Lillis but I gather by some comments he wouldn't be universally loved.
Everyone loves Mick!!
OTF your misunderstanding me, i'm not saying ignore the club nominations. what i'm saying is why limit the search for the best possible candidate. take those nominations and also put the feelers out to see if outside candidates would be available.
Quote from: Hospital Pass on August 05, 2015, 10:17:44 PM
OTF your misunderstanding me, i'm not saying ignore the club nominations. what i'm saying is why limit the search for the best possible candidate. take those nominations and also put the feelers out to see if outside candidates would be available.
I understand you ok HP, I'm saying whats the point in going to the clubs.
Just wondering how would the Portlaoise players feel about Lilis.
Does anybody know of any other local candidates being consider?
I heard Chris Conway and Mick Lawlor were being considered Im not sure together or what way.
I also heard former Roscommon and Tipperary manager John Evan's was interviewed but that could be just pub talk.
Quote from: Unlaoised on August 11, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
I heard Chris Conway and Mick Lawlor were being considered Im not sure together or what way.
I also heard former Roscommon and Tipperary manager John Evan's was interviewed but that could be just pub talk.
Current Roscommon manager ??
I keep having this nightmare that someone like Luke Dempsey gets the job!!!
I heard John Sugrue is very much in the running for the job, Chris Conway not interested.
Sugrue has managed the Kerry U-21s in the past and lives and works in Portlaoise.
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 12, 2015, 12:30:28 AM
I heard John Sugrue is very much in the running for the job, Chris Conway not interested.
Sugrue has managed the Kerry U-21s in the past and lives and works in Portlaoise.
Was John Sugrue involved with a Laois team already or was he mentioned recently.
Not sure that's the appointment that would inspire all our best players to commit to the county set-up. Then again I can't think of any top class managers who would want to take us on.
Sugrue trained Kerry to an All Ireland in 2008 I think when they beat cork. That experience alone can't be dismissed. He was part of Justin McNulty's back room team also.
Young trainer who I can't say I know much about. Was he not over that Park team that got relegated to JuniorA last year?
Don't think they will have a queue out the door of candidates but hopefully they will get someone in place soon!
Irish examiner today maintain Jack Sheedy is favorite for the job.... probably rubbish but still sends a chill down the spine to hear..
Quote from: OTF on August 11, 2015, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on August 11, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
I heard Chris Conway and Mick Lawlor were being considered Im not sure together or what way.
I also heard former Roscommon and Tipperary manager John Evan's was interviewed but that could be just pub talk.
Current Roscommon manager ??
Former Roscommon Manager now !!!!
he not leaving roscommon for no reason... could be a runner
Quote from: Faugheen on August 12, 2015, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: OTF on August 11, 2015, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on August 11, 2015, 12:04:56 PM
I heard Chris Conway and Mick Lawlor were being considered Im not sure together or what way.
I also heard former Roscommon and Tipperary manager John Evan's was interviewed but that could be just pub talk.
Current Roscommon manager ??
Former Roscommon Manager now !!!!
Quote from: portlaoisekid on August 12, 2015, 09:53:33 PM
he not leaving roscommon for no reason... could be a runner
Bring back Justy.
We could do a lot worse than Evans in my opinion. Is there any real chance?
Quote from: Giovanni on August 13, 2015, 09:50:40 AM
We could do a lot worse than Evans in my opinion. Is there any real chance?
I'm not sure it was just what I heard last week!
Quote from: Giovanni on August 13, 2015, 09:50:40 AM
We could do a lot worse than Evans in my opinion. Is there any real chance?
I agree but we did get rid of McNulty because we felt his style was not suited to our players.
It's it ironic that Roscommon supporters feel the same about Evans.
It seems to be all very quite on our next manager. Does anyone have any updates or hear any rumours?
I've heard there's 3 internal candidates. Leo Turley, Joe Higgins and Mick Lillis.
Out of those 3, I hope Joe gets it.
Leo turley mightn't be a bad one, did great stuff with Leixlip and Blackhall gaels plus he is a passionate Laois man. Spoke to a few Meath and kildare lads and they rate him highly.
If Leo could serve us as well in management as he did when playing then we'd be on a winner.
He made the very most of his talents when playing for Laois - hands like glue and a great finisher.
I would agree with you Boy Wonder.
Always loved Leo's style and while I don't have the stats he must have been one of our most prolific goal scorers.
It still pains me though when I think of the couple of chances he missed against Louth in Croke Park when they beat us by a point.
Maybe Leo could bring someone else in with him in a joint role.
Does anyone know is there any outside manager being considered?
No but they reserve the right to look outside the candidates so basically anyone is still in the frame
John Evans has said that he'll be back in inter county management soon. I wonder would he be an option with maybe Joe Higgins or Chris Conway.
Quote from: SCFC on August 18, 2015, 01:08:21 PM
I've heard there's 3 internal candidates. Leo Turley, Joe Higgins and Mick Lillis.
Out of those 3, I hope Joe gets it.
There's only one man for the job!
Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 19, 2015, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: SCFC on August 18, 2015, 01:08:21 PM
I've heard there's 3 internal candidates. Leo Turley, Joe Higgins and Mick Lillis.
Out of those 3, I hope Joe gets it.
There's only one man for the job!
Feck off Leo.... sorry, Teo!!!
It has to be a man that knows Laois football, not someone high profile, someone who has experience getting the best out of what he has. Preferably someone who's played the game and knows the score. To get the best out our attacking options he should have played as an attacker. A skillful, stylish corner forward who was strong and powerful would be perfect.
Only one man for the job.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 20, 2015, 11:32:38 AM
It has to be a man that knows Laois football, not someone high profile, someone who has experience getting the best out of what he has. Preferably someone who's played the game and knows the score. To get the best out our attacking options he should have played as an attacker. A skillful, stylish corner forward who was strong and powerful would be perfect.
Only one man for the job.
Chris Conway? ;)
Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 20, 2015, 11:32:38 AM
It has to be a man that knows Laois football, not someone high profile, someone who has experience getting the best out of what he has. Preferably someone who's played the game and knows the score. To get the best out our attacking options he should have played as an attacker. A skillful, stylish corner forward who was strong and powerful would be perfect.
Only one man for the job.
Billy Sheehan?
Mick Lillis/Joe Higgins Combination or something to that effect id be happy with. Whoever gets it has a unenviable job in fairness. whats a successful management team going to achieve a leinster title? Were not alone being a mile behind dublin, don't think evans is the man he didnt get much out of roscommon. if going external kevin mcstay is as good option if available.
I would love to see Kevin McStay get it but I doubt if it would be viable due to finances. Who ever takes over has a huge job on their hands. The underage set up has been a shambles since Sean Dempsey stopped looking after it.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on August 20, 2015, 02:23:42 PM
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on August 20, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
Chris Conway? ;)
Quote from: Keyser Söze on August 20, 2015, 12:46:11 PM
Billy Sheehan?
Need someone a bit older, wiser and better looking.
Ah I get you now, but I dunno can we afford him.......http://inpho.ie/media/6-RPNGrhD7OzphkpaFIUmw..a?wosid=4wGNxzzekGkVUX7yIva2pg&woinst=5&ts=VzCfbStQuCmuKYbVMYdDq-NEPBbeTdDjfQBuPPjwd-c.a
Ha Ha, good one.. He's getting more valuable as the day goes by...
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latest from the rumour mill. Joe Higgins.Leo Turley.mick Lillis & Eamonn Breen. what is certain is Mick Dempsey has been drafted onto the interview panel along with the CB chairman and treasurer. I wonder will he do a Chedder on it and take it himself
Nice little piece from Donie Kingston in today's Indo...
Time running out for current Laois squad - Kingston
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/time-running-out-for-current-laois-squad-kingston-31475573.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/time-running-out-for-current-laois-squad-kingston-31475573.html)
I would love Leo Turley along with conway and Higgins as selectors Plus John Sugrue as physical trainer. To me that would be an impressive set up. I see Eamonn Breen in the running, Is he the Kerry wing back from 1997?
Does anyone know when it's likely the new manager will be chosen and announced?
Quote from: south Laois on August 26, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
Does anyone know when it's likely the new manager will be chosen and announced?
Probably just after the local championships end in case he would spot anyone playing well at club level!!
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Dempsey to assist search for new Laois football boss
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dempsey-to-assist-search-for-new-laois-football-boss-31478546.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dempsey-to-assist-search-for-new-laois-football-boss-31478546.html)
Hope its not Jason Ryan!
with Dempsey involved I feel it could be an insider!
It has to be an insider, they'll know the scene. If they've worked outside the county it could even be a plus, pick up some experience on how those places work. Someone who could influence players to play for Laois, like getting Peter O'Leary back.
Only one man for the job!
Quote from: Unlaoised on August 28, 2015, 09:51:49 AM
Hope its not Jason Ryan!
with Dempsey involved I feel it could be an insider!
Spinkman's choice.
He's not here either.
It's a good move to have Dempsey on board, that's of course if the listen not him.
Doubt Dempsey will have much input on this. Martin Byrne will tell them how much money is available and Gerry Kavanagh will say who he wants. Dempsey is a PR exercise but has had little to do with Laois Football over the last few years. Gerry Kavanagh will ultimately decide who is next Laois Manager. I am thinking insider due to lack of funds and if it is an outsider there will be little or nothing available in the way of finance. An appointment within the county is my choice but that maybe tricky, as little in the way of money on offer.
On a side Note. I know its not the same as watching the matches in person but I have seen Jerome Stack, last years selector, in O Moore park video recording the championship. I presume laois gaa have commissioned this for the next manager.
That's not Jerome Stack ;D ;D ;D ;D
That person will be delighted when he discovers who he's been mistaken for though!
Quote from: Shapes Ex Laoistalk on August 29, 2015, 12:41:31 AM
That's not Jerome Stack ;D ;D ;D ;D
That person will be delighted when he discovers who he's been mistaken for though!
your dead right. Similar hair.... maybe, but i may need a trip to the optictions :P :P.
Still, at least the new manager will have something to look at. Welcome Shapes
I dont think the video recording is for the new management. It is done to identify culprits during skirmishes and to redeem players who have recieved red cards mistakenley
No it's for new management as they are not in situ they can review club championship.
Heard from a very good source today, that Higgins is the board's favourite for the job. 8)
Whoever is our manager,hopefully all our best players commit to the county set up. I firmly believe that if all our best players were available for selection we'd be a match for most teams.
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
Heard from a very good source today, that Higgins is the board's favourite for the job. 8)
One of our greatest ever players but I wonder what evidence there is to suggest that he can be a great manager?
Mikey Sheehy...anyone else hear that?
Quote from: Giovanni on August 31, 2015, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
Heard from a very good source today, that Higgins is the board's favourite for the job. 8)
One of our greatest ever players but I wonder what evidence there is to suggest that he can be a great manager?
Agree
He might be good but wouldn't it be better if he had a bit of experience with minor or u21 first and see how he goes.
If it's between himself and Lillis it would obviously be a moe popular move.
The cash is not there so we will end up with some patch up job, the modern inter county set up is more than a manager and all about setting up a top class arrangement of people. Laois dont have a pot to p**s in so how can we set up such a set up? With the best will in the world there is no chance.
The thing is, i believe we've a fine group of players. They have huge potential. If we get a tactical expert, in addition to a decent background set up, we can realise our potential. At our highest potential, i think we're a top 8 team - that's if we're firing on all cylinders. Look what Jim m did with an average enough donegal team. I'm also convinced the likes of mayo are not all that much better than us, when it comes to raw talent. It's the system, the momentum and training. I hope we get a cheap under rated manager with passion for laois and great tactics. I know it's a long shot but it's what we should aim for. It will unlock the undeniable potential of this team. Sure, we mightn't be up with the Dublins and kerrys but there's no reason that, with a good brain in charge, that we can't make leinster finals or 4th rnd/quarters.
So What we're saying is, when we had money we spent it on outside managers and their setups.
But now we very little we want our own Laois men to do it for nothing......sounds like a great idea.
Quote from: OTF on September 02, 2015, 08:37:52 AM
So What we're saying is, when we had money we spent it on outside managers and their setups.
But now we very little we want our own Laois men to do it for nothing......sounds like a great idea.
when you put it like that 8)
Why are the CB talking to two outsiders then?
Who are they by the way? I presume Pillar Caffrey is one of them?
No, what we're saying is, we need someone with a good tactical brain. They might be from inside the county or out. Just get someone with a good brain. It need not cost the world.
A good brain and a passion for Laois' progression. Kinda like a chedder, to be fair. Look how far Laois hurlers have come with pretty much the same bunch of players. We can get to Leinster finals and contest well in 4th rounds / quarters - there's no question. Just get the right man in.
If the selection panel is made up of Mick Lillis, Joe Higgins, Leo Turley and Mick Dempsey, I wonder who are the 3 inside candidates? I would hope/assume that at least one of the non-Laois candidates is John Evans?
Quote from: Giovanni on September 02, 2015, 05:35:41 PM
If the selection panel is made up of Mick Lillis, Joe Higgins, Leo Turley and Mick Dempsey, I wonder who are the 3 inside candidates? I would hope/assume that at least one of the non-Laois candidates is John Evans?
I think Hoganstand messed up on that one, which they usually do when they are not copying and pasting from other sites. Original journalism is not their strength.
They seem to be quoting the Leinster Express on that. I haven't seen the paper. Is there a different version there?
i haven't seen the Leinster either , so if I'm wrong I apologise...
It's going on a bit now, but I'd prefer to see the right man in charge vs rushing it and getting someone who will put us back 4/5 years. Not sure what to think of this Pillar Caffrey rumour. Is Dublin's reject the right man for the job? Would he bring the necessary enthusiasm and does he have the tactical know how?!
Any sign of progress? Surely someone should be in place by the quarter finals?
I dont see Pillar Caffrey taking the job, he is in his first year with Na Fianna and int he County 1/4.. he has a long term plan there to win the championship with his club in the next few years and id be surprised if he turned his back on that now, plus I have little time for him, he probably should of wont he All Ireland with Dublin. Id Imagine John Evans has been approached as has Ryan and Jack Sheedy at some stage. Its hard to know who is best, I would like to see Joe involved but maybe its abit early to give him the full reigns.
We should know pretty soon....the all ireland hurling is over :o :o :o :-*(//)
In my opinion Jason Ryan would be a good appointment. I believe he is a lot better than his results with Kildare might suggest.
I would agree with Unison. I'd be happy to have Jason Ryan with Joe Higgins as a selector.
jason ryan = TOF. Dont see any difference. Joe Higgins or Chris Conway or Mick Lillis or a combination of them in a management team imo
Just seen Ryan is taking over a club in Wexford for the championship..
If we were to go for an outside candidate my personal choice would be Donie Buckley, but I did hear yesterday that he was in talks with the Tipperary footballers. If we were to go internal I think we should look at someone who could oversee a complete overhaul of the footballing structures from U-10 upwards. This senior team is going no where, if we want to be a successful footballing county we need to build from the ground up. Donie Buckley would be the ideal candidate to oversee that in my opinion but if we are looking at an internal candidate then it should be someone young and hungry and while I dont think Higgins has done anything of note really at club level he has shown to have a good football brain and a desire hunger to succeed. Maybe with a more experienced head at his side.
Is there any end in sight in the search for our new manager? It seems to be gone very quiet. Besides a new manager, we need a overhaul of our development squads. The county board should be begging Sean Dempsey to come back too oversee our setup from u10 up.
There's a rumour about Mick Sheehy . .
Maybe that's why everything is gone quite Tony. If it's true about Sheehy they couldn't announce it till after the All Ireland as he's involved with the Kerry backroom team. Surely an appointment like that would cost serious money!!! Maybe Roman is sick of Chelsea and Mourinhos antics!!!
Would be a good appointment and I think it would generate a lot of interest among players to get involved with the county team.
If he had been in O'Moore park tonight he would have enjoyed what was on offer, a very good and passionate game with a real championship feel about it and some very skilful football on view.
We are always knocking referee's lately but fair play to Brendan McCann tonight, he did a very good job on it.
Killeen won it by five points but Graigue were in it right till the last five minutes when they conceded a soft goal, the ball was won by a graigue defender but slipped from his hands and into the net.
I like Mike sheehy but if you are going in that direction why not go for jack o Connor should be done with Kerry minors after Sunday and maybe would like to prove himself outside of Kerry
Have laois much to work with?
Outside of Kerry of course, we must be the county who have had the most amount of Kerry men over our senior team. If it is to be Mickey Sheehy I hope Joe Higgins, Padraig Clancy or Chris Conway have a role in the backroom team.
This seems difficult to believe.......
He doesn't strike me as a man craving the main job in Kerry. Why would he want the hassle associated with the main role 200 miles away.
I cannot see this happening, and doubt there is any truth in it.
I heard it from a reliable source...who heard it from an even more reliable source....who heard it from an auld lad getting a pint in coppers.
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 19, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
This seems difficult to believe.......
He doesn't strike me as a man craving the main job in Kerry. Why would he want the hassle associated with the main role 200 miles away.
I cannot see this happening, and doubt there is any truth in it.
Micky God as he is known in Kerry...... If he wanted a management job then why not the Kery job.
What management expirence does he have ??.
He's from the same street as Billy.
Na I can't see it.
Why do you think it's taking so long then? Coz he doesn't want to announce it before the final today to distract from the game.
Heard from a top source that M Sheehy will be confirmed as Laois manager before end of week.
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 07:59:52 AM
Heard from a top source that M Sheehy will be confirmed as Laois manager before end of week.
News coming out that Sheehy is staying with Kerry...
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 07:59:52 AM
Heard from a top source that M Sheehy will be confirmed as Laois manager before end of week.
Must be a different M. Sheehy so......http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/0921/729397-fitzmaurice-to-stay-on-as-kerry-manager/
He would have been appointed if Fitz had decided to leave the Kerry job, apparently.
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2015, 08:39:55 AM
He would have been appointed if Fitz had decided to leave the Kerry job, apparently.
Have my doubts there was any truth in it.
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2015, 08:39:55 AM
He would have been appointed if Fitz had decided to leave the Kerry job, apparently.
Think you're talking absolute horse shit there Tony.
Its Sheehan not Sheedy
So which is it Sheehy, Sheedy or Sheehan?
I think it could be Sheeran :o
Just heard its actually a mr. s staunton...as in steve. time for the county board to come out with it...who could it be. My source maintains that Sheedy was going to take job with the expectation that Fitz was not going to stay on for another year.
Quote from: Tony on September 23, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
Just heard its actually a mr. s staunton...as in steve. time for the county board to come out with it...who could it be. My source maintains that Sheedy was going to take job with the expectation that Fitz was not going to stay on for another year.
A Tony
I'd say your source is having a laugh.
Quote from: Giovanni on September 23, 2015, 11:51:22 AM
I think it could be Sheeran :o
I hope it's Ed Sheeran but ya'd have to be drunk to think that he has Laois' best interest in his bloodstream. Then again if he could get our A team out on the field anything is possible. Anyway that's just me thinking out loud.
At least if it's an inside man, he will be watching the county championship games out of pure interest anyway. If it's an outside man he wont have a clue
Quote from: Tony on September 23, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
Just heard its actually a mr. s staunton...as in steve. time for the county board to come out with it...who could it be. My source maintains that Sheedy was going to take job with the expectation that Fitz was not going to stay on for another year.
Time to shut the laptop down now tony fireman Sam is coming on tv
Says the man who said .... "I like Mike sheehy but if you are going in that direction why not go for jack o Connor should be done with Kerry minors after Sunday and maybe would like to prove himself outside of Kerry"
ahahahahahahah More chance of Jim Gavin taking over - jack o connor taking over laois! ahahahahahahahaha
Lads, real news this time, manager will be named before Christmas, 2016. :)
I here it's mick Lillis to be named tonight
Mick Lillis got the job really don't know is it a step backwards or forwards. I like its a laoisman but get the feeling Lillis is getting this job about 5 years too late. best of luck to him
After months of deliberation, this is what they come up with? Terrible decision!
Is Lilis even involved in management at the moment?
It's a laugh really that they bring in a selection committee to find a suitable candidate and then go with the local man who wasn't top of their list prior to said selection group being put together.
Who knows, maybe he will do a Cheddar on it!
Pretty sure he is over Palatine in Carlow who are in a county final. Surprised he got it to be honest, but he did so we may just move on, support him and hope he can do a job with them. I'm sure he was at some of the championship games this year so at least he will have seen players.
While he obviously isn't the most high profile candidate I think if we take a step back and look at his record at club level I think we have got a decent manager on our hands. He has won county titles with Palatine (first in 50 odd years), St Laurences (first title ever) and a few with Portlaoise at different times at different levels. He is a football man through and through and I think its been long overdue that a Portlaoise man get a crack at the job. Hopefully he will be able to bring in a strong backroom team and all the players buy into his vision.
Quote from: The Melancholy Sloth on September 29, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
While he obviously isn't the most high profile candidate I think if we take a step back and look at his record at club level I think we have got a decent manager on our hands. He has won county titles with Palatine (first in 50 odd years), St Laurences (first title ever) and a few with Portlaoise at different times at different levels. He is a football man through and through and I think its been long overdue that a Portlaoise man get a crack at the job. Hopefully he will be able to bring in a strong backroom team and all the players buy into his vision.
Good point. Hopefully he can get the likes of Cahilane on board (as I heard Paul wasn't on board purely because of TOF), who is playing outstanding in the championship. Maybe rogers and a couple of others as well. Background team is very important, if he has a good trainer and selectors, it's about as important as the manager himself. He has a decent record, I just wonder about his tactical prowess?
I have a feeling this won't end well. I am sure Lillis is enthusiastic with plenty of ideas. But he certainly has no money to boost his back room. Player commitment is doubtful as is talent available. He has inherited a sinking ship and will prob get the blame when it hits the ocean floor.
Maybe he can get Healy back too - is he really liked in Portlaoise?
I think this is a positive move as he was over the minors last year, This surely is the first step in the football setup in county being overhauled. I think is more important we get our underage setup back up and running properly plenty of talent in our county to work with. On the senior team mick will have them fit and in there correct positions as opposed to last year imo.
Best wishes to Mick. He will be 100% committed and will expect the same from everyone involved in Laois football. He can be abrasive and won't take a step back from anyone or anything but he is a winner. I think i remember wooly refusing to play for the Town years back unless they got rid of Mick (which is probably a commendation for Mick). Nowadays the support team is every bit as important as the main man. Hopefully he'll get good people in (not necessarily the dearest).
Quote from: maccer on September 29, 2015, 01:32:11 PM
Best wishes to Mick. He will be 100% committed and will expect the same from everyone involved in Laois football. He can be abrasive and won't take a step back from anyone or anything but he is a winner. I think i remember wooly refusing to play for the Town years back unless they got rid of Mick (which is probably a commendation for Mick). Nowadays the support team is every bit as important as the main man. Hopefully he'll get good people in (not necessarily the dearest).
Definitely a feather in his cap that Wooly won't approve!!
Don't worry about Wolly. Is he a good manager - that's all we need to know. Anyone have a run down of his managerial CV? I've listened to a few interviews with him, seems like a bit of a simple simon. Does the man have a tactical brain? Is he proven? I don't think he's proven with his experience at portlaoise. Portlaoise have been head and shoulders above the competition in laois, and even my cat Roger could probably have managed them to success in laois over the last 5 - 7 years.
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2015, 05:15:39 PM
Don't worry about Wolly. Is he a good manager - that's all we need to know. Anyone have a run down of his managerial CV? I've listened to a few interviews with him, seems like a bit of a simple simon. Does the man have a tactical brain? Is he proven? I don't think he's proven with his experience at portlaoise. Portlaoise have been head and shoulders above the competition in laois, and even my cat Roger could probably have managed them to success in laois over the last 5 - 7 years.
That's some cat you have - is it Brian Cody?
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2015, 05:15:39 PM
Don't worry about Wolly. Is he a good manager - that's all we need to know. Anyone have a run down of his managerial CV? I've listened to a few interviews with him, seems like a bit of a simple simon. Does the man have a tactical brain? Is he proven? I don't think he's proven with his experience at portlaoise. Portlaoise have been head and shoulders above the competition in laois, and even my cat Roger could probably have managed them to success in laois over the last 5 - 7 years.
A simple Simon, what the hell does that mean?
Wishing Mick Lillis and Laois the very best of luck for 2016.
Good luck to Mick, I think he will have the support of the players and if he can get a few of the Portlaoise lads to commit it should strengthen the squad. I did mention John Sugrue here a few weeks ago and it seems he was a very strong second to Mick.
QuoteMick Lillis Set To Become Next Laois Football Manager
29th September 2015
Laois' clubs will be asked to ratify Mick Lillis as their new senior football manager next week after he received the unanimous support of the County Board executive last night.
Lillis, who managed the O'Moore's minors last term, has been selected as the preferred candidate ahead of former team physio John Sugrue and ex-Laois stars Joe Higgins and Leo Turley.
The Clare-native guided Portlaoise to three of their current 8 in-a-row title County title run before stepping down in the wake of the 2013 Leinster Final loss to Ballymun.
Lillis and long-time management partner Mark Kavanagh, a current coach with Westmeath, also secured county titles in Carlow and Kildare.
Disaster appointment. Nothing against Mick Lillis but division 3 here we come.
Quote from: Saint75 on September 29, 2015, 10:55:17 PM
Disaster appointment. Nothing against Mick Lillis but division 3 here we come.
Could you expand a bit there Saint....I'd say no matter who got the job staying out of div 3 was always going to be a challenge next year.
Best of luck Mick.
The big question for me is whether he has the smarts to analyze and train a team to changing modern systems? Maybe someone close to Portlaoise will know how he rates?
It is less and less about skill these days and more about systems. No matter how skillful your players are you can't beat organization and strategy any more.
Best of Luck Mick seems you have been written off by the so called experts already..
I think if he can get John Surgue on board it could be a good match.
Be intersting to see who his selectors are .
Still a decent outfit there to work with and bar Dublin we should have nothing to fear in Leinster.
Need to get a few players back on board tho...Cahir Healy,Paul Cahilane,Peter O'Leary,Gary Walsh etc maybe he can get these lads on board.
He will also know the Portlaoise youngsters very well like Seale and Feane who I believe could make the step up given the right training and platform.
Seale performed well last week, there are a few youngsters he will be familiar with, maybe its time we start to bring these on, a good blend of old and new. The likes of Billy Sheehan have been hanging on by a pubic hair for the past couple of years. Maybe its time we start to give experience to some youngsters whom Mick will have worked with through Portlaoise and Laois underage. David Seale, Sean & James Moore, Alan Farrell, Niall Mullen and others, along with bringing the good Portlaoise heads on board, I think Mick with a good back room could be a real success.
There's nothing bar Dublin in Leinster and I think if we got to a Leinster final we would consider that a success, and that's just a decent draw away.
Is it just me, or is there a lack of endorsement for Lillis on this message board from Portlaoise contributors since his appointment?
Wouldn't have been my pick but now that he has it we will have to give him a a fair crack.
The interesting questions are the formation of a backroom team and will he be able to generate enough interest for players to commit to the set-up.
Defenders must be the new managers priority. In attack and midfield we have enough to compete with most teams.
For me its not nessessarily about Mick, its about whether he gets total and utter support from both the CB in terms of resources and players who are willing to commit to the county when asked.
If he can get whats he needs from both these sources he has a chance to be a success, otherwise he wont and it wont be his fault to be honest.
Best of luck to mick, I just hope he bring in a top class coach as well
and i do believe that there is plenty of talent in the county
some fine big players from the minor and u21 teams this year.
"The former Portlaoise boss concluded: "It always has been an ambition of mine to manage at county level, and I made a few attempts at it previously and wasn't successful. To be honest, I thought it had passed me by at this stage."
I hope he doesn't make a habit of quotes like that. TOF had a similar one when he joined Laois. He said he was "very surprised to get the job".
What we need Mick to do now, is to get a quality backroom team in, generate interest and put all possible energy into this. He also needs to contact each possible Laois squad member for 2016, individually, and outline his plan for the year. It'll have to be an excellent one. He needs to provide excitment and drive for the year ahead.
I wouldn't dismiss Colm Parkinson's assertion that Lillis is 'out of his depth'. Unfortunately, I think that will be proven very early in the Spring. It seems to me the selection committee was nothing but a charade. They simply wanted the cheapest option.
Ah go away out of that Unison. You're only backing the easy horse. If the man gets a quality few people on board in the back and the portlaoise boys back, this could be a good year. Get a good man in as physical coach and we could have a good year. It's small details that will swing it.
Totally un-inspiring appointment. We have a long standing problem in this county with players who won't commit...we needed another Micko type appointment to try raise us above the TOF standard. Mikey Sheehy, Tony McEntee, Kevin McStay, Johnny Evans or even Jason Ryan would have been a step up. Think this is just ammunition for another few early retirements.
Ah go away out of that! Jason Ryan? After the year he's had?! What a crazy comment. Oh yeah - another micko? Us and 32 other counties mate. Sure you provide the 75k for Jimmy McG there! Goodman.
Division 3 is a cert and early exit from Championship.. wouldnt fancy us against Anyone other than Carlow at this stage.
Might be a crazy comment to someone like you Tony who seems to have a total over-reaction to pretty much every comment posted here. Jason Ryan had a poor run with Kildare, doesn't mean he's a poor manager...his record would say differently. And I still think he'd be a good option for us taking into account where we are. Look, Mick Lillis is appointed and more power to the man....we'll see what the league panel shapes up like, who has came back that wouldn't commit last year and also which longer serving players stay on for another go. That'll say a lot about our manager.
the most successful counties in the recent past certainly have had managers from within there county, this is definitely the right move for us imo, best of luck to mick & his management team. Hopefully they get some money from anywhere & start doing things right. Any word on minor manager for next year? think conroy is back with u/21s.
Some serious pessimism here already in relation to the new manager, which is a pity. I agree with other posters that it's pivotal now that a good backroom team is put in place. With a good structure in place, we could definitely push hard for a Leinster final, provided we avoid Dublin prior. In relation to players, people saying he might get Portlaoise players back on board, don't think there are too many that would cut it, bar the obvious ones, Healy, Cahillane one or two more at a push. Collectively, they are an excellent team but there isn't 10 individual brilliant players that should be on the county panel. I don't think he should go begging lads to give it one more year or to come on to the panel after being off it for a period. You want players who want to be on the panel, who will fight to get on it and give everything when they do. You'll get more from those lads over lads who were coerced back and could let you down at the first sign of trouble. It'll be a tough job for Mick but we should give him a chance and not write him off before he has even been ratified!
Not the most most exciting of appointments but with the right backroom team it could work. Would love to see Joe Higgins involved. Hopefully Cahir Healy will come back to the footballers.Could do with O Leary, MaMahon,Walsh back. As regards Cahilane, is he not playing soccer with Wexford Youths next year?
Absolute negativity on this thread.
Its a new regime, a new man in charge, a new backroom team, hopefuly a few new faces. Lets start fresh and actaully get behind the lads. Lets be constructive here rather than point out what we dont like about Mick and how shite we'll do, instead talk about who could actually get a spot on the backroom team and add there bit to the squad.
We are damning the lads before a ball is even kicked in pre season.
I'd like to see a team of Joe Higgins, Chris Conway and maybe Padraig Clancy, these guys have won and might bring a bit of passion and pride to the jersey again. S & C is going to be vital again this year.
I heard Parkinson say on the radio during the week
that he will never support laois again, because of
Lillis becoming the new manager.
Some history between them.
Mick Dempsey (Laois) - no real impact or success - went on to get great respect with KK
Tom Cribbin (Kildare) - Pushed Dublin hard in his first year
Colm Browne (Laois) - no impact or success
Micko (Kerry) - Leinster 2003
Liam Kearns (Kerry) - Leinster Final but hard to follow Micko
Sean Dempsey (Laois) - no impact or success
Justin McNulty (Armagh) - Push Dublin and Donegal all the way.
TOF (Kerry) - uninspiring appointment no success
Mick Lillis (Laois) - ???
Fact is in Laois if there is no respect for the manager or he is one of our own or both don't expect a positive reaction. Couple that with ageing players this is not looking good.
Quote from: goal 10 on October 01, 2015, 06:44:33 PM
I heard Parkinson say on the radio during the week
that he will never support laois again, because of
Lillis becoming the new manager.
Some history between them.
Never support Laois again? Do we have a choice now? That sort of mentality has us the way we are. I won't play if such and such is manager. I won't play if I'm not picked. I won't play because we play a particular style. Blah blah. The county is bigger than all of these people and in truth, we are short on talent at the moment. We probably have two players capable of playing on any team in Ireland (Kingston and Healy) and a few "nice" players after that. We haven't a pot to piss in either so marquee appointments weren't going to happen. It's an uninspiring appointment (again) but we're fishing in a shallow pond. I don't think we've bottomed out yet, and I don't think any manager in the country could prevent that. We just have to suck it up and get on with it.
Quote from: High Fielder on October 02, 2015, 09:52:38 AM
Quote from: goal 10 on October 01, 2015, 06:44:33 PM
I heard Parkinson say on the radio during the week
that he will never support laois again, because of
Lillis becoming the new manager.
Some history between them.
Never support Laois again? Do we have a choice now? That sort of mentality has us the way we are. I won't play if such and such is manager. I won't play if I'm not picked. I won't play because we play a particular style. Blah blah. The county is bigger than all of these people and in truth, we are short on talent at the moment. We probably have two players capable of playing on any team in Ireland (Kingston and Healy) and a few "nice" players after that. We haven't a pot to piss in either so marquee appointments weren't going to happen. It's an uninspiring appointment (again) but we're fishing in a shallow pond. I don't think we've bottomed out yet, and I don't think any manager in the country could prevent that. We just have to suck it up and get on with it.
Typical of Parkinson even going back to his Minor days. He is a radio pundit though and he gets his popularity from these type of comments. We are at a low ebb player wise now due to the mismanagement of our juvenile structures.That happened when we started paying coaches to do what Gabriel Lawler, Ollie Phelan. Ed kelly & Sean Dempsey and others used to do for the love of it. We now have football coaches earning huge sums and they have done literally nothing to continue the work done by those before this coach(s) appointment(s). Thats the crux of it in a nutshell and when this crop of senior players retire (and they are no world beaters) we will be in a dire state. I have to take issue with one comment Hi Fielder, we do have a pot to piss in. Look at the upgrading work being done with OMP and the old Portlaoise grounds. It will be sate of the art facilities. The only problem is we wont have a decent crop of footballers to grace the place.
Yee are not thinking straight. Here's how it goes : You have a core group of senior players that are at a good level : Check.
You have 3 - 4 good players coming in abound the u-21 age group : check.
You have 4 - 6 good minors coming through : Check.
We're not winning all irelands at minor level anymore, but that's not necessary to continue having a good group of players.
There are many years left in the likes of kingston, timmons, o loughlin, begley, quigley, begley junior, etc.
There are more coming through in the shape of o'connor, shiel, young kingston.
Minors are looking promising. We're not in a half bad state.
Let's remember : Laois were never world beaters; we're about par for the course at the moment. The way people are talking, you'd think we had 10 all irelands in our trophy cabinet and now we're crap. Truth is, we're doing ok, by our standards since the GAA began. With hard work, good communication, lads committing and a good setup, we can have a good year, by our standards.
That's more like it Tony, a bit of positive thinking. Truth is no matter who manages the Laois team Dublin are so far ahead of the rest that the most we can hope for is a good draw and a Leinster final appearance.
I think we have the players to achieve that if they have the will to do so and they buy into the manager, rightly or wrongly and give him a fair chance.
Parkinson obviously has a problem with him but I'm disappointed with his comments about not supporting Laois anymore.
Any true Laoisman will support his county regardless of whoever the manager is and be proud to do so. Sadly a lot of the Portlaoise guys have this attitude towards the county which is something we don't need at this time.
as regards the coaching set up The Monument Road is on the right track. The coaches employed are spreading themselves too thinly with schools, development squads, cul camps etc. I can't see why the county board don't hold at least 2 coaching courses for each level every year. That way each club would have a group of recently qualified coaches training juvenile teams. How many courses have been held in the last 2 years? How many interested people are out there weekly training juvenile teams and having to make it up themselves as they go along? If coaches were properly trained clubs would produce more players able to participate in the development squads where the paid coaches could take over. This would then supply senior players in the years ahead. The attitude of 1 or 2 lads coming through each year will suffice has to stop. There's no reason why Laois can't produce competitive teams every year in every grade. There's plenty of people willing to help and do things properly but the county board may take the lead
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Laois confirm new senior football manager
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So, Mick Lillis.
I can't say he'd have been a name I'd have thought likely to get the job when TOF stepped down. Has a good club record, not so good with Laois under 21 and minor teams.
I think it's worth a shot giving the job to a Portlaoise man, with the hope that a number of their senior team will come on board. Looking at them last Sunday, I could see 7/8 players worth bringing in to the senior panel. I'm thinking Brody, Healy, Boyle, Lillis, Cotter, Cahillane, Seale and Dillon. Smith was good too when he came on.
As a county, we can't afford to be without a good proportion of our senior panel being from the largest town in the county.
Good luck to him anyway, it's a tough job he's undertaken and a huge commitment.
I have to say I'm getting more and more optimistic about the appointment...IF IF IF he gets a great background team and attracts players to commit to Laois for the year. The Portlaoise lads committing would make a massive difference - loads of competition for places breeds high standards.
A good backroom team is vital to anyone at intercounty level now some would argue more important than the manager.
Mick will bring plenty of passion to the job and like cheddar will leave no stone unturned to get the best out of the Laois squad.
I hope the senior players like Begley,Quigley,Strong,O'Loughlin row in behind him.
If he can get Meaney,Cahilane,,Healy,O'Leary,Rodgers ,Gary Walsh and a few more of these guys who left last year and before and a few fresh faces from Portlaoise like Seale,Cotter maybe Eoin Feane then it will create a buzz around the squad again and the players will start to train and fight harder for a place.
Some pride back in the jersey is all we want I think we have the footballers to do quiet well and at least reach the last 12.
He has my support as the Blue and white always will!!!
Have to echo the general sentiment here, Mick is arguably the strongest of the internal candidates at the moment, and hopefully can get the county pulling together, with most of our lads playing. I've heard the selectors will be the same as last years minor set up, with John strong & Kieran Kelly. Also heard Pat Murphy (the rock) is added to the ticket, I think he's coaching in Carlow or Kildare at the moment.
Better take a punt on our own than an unproven outsider I think.
Quote from: Unlaoised on October 06, 2015, 04:18:07 PM
A good backroom team is vital to anyone at intercounty level now some would argue more important than the manager.
Mick will bring plenty of passion to the job and like cheddar will leave no stone unturned to get the best out of the Laois squad.
I hope the senior players like Begley,Quigley,Strong,O'Loughlin row in behind him.
If he can get Meaney,Cahilane,,Healy,O'Leary,Rodgers ,Gary Walsh and a few more of these guys who left last year and before and a few fresh faces from Portlaoise like Seale,Cotter maybe Eoin Feane then it will create a buzz around the squad again and the players will start to train and fight harder for a place.
Some pride back in the jersey is all we want I think we have the footballers to do quiet well and at least reach the last 12.
He has my support as the Blue and white always will!!!
A good backroom team because we can't afford a massive one, same as most county's.
Will Healy opt for football and drop hurling and Chedder I doubt it.
Doubt Healy will come back : Doing football and hurling for inter county in the modern age is next to impossible. Unless he's able to work out a plan with lillis and Cheddar.
Back in 1990, it was much easier. Maybe two sessions per week at most for county teams. Now it's 5/6 per week x 2 if you're with both codes. It's gotten crazy, really.
Long term, if the "pro like training" trend continues (and i think it will, and get more intense), players will simply have to be paid. Can you imagine doing at least 10 hours training + extra personal physical training per week + extra commutes on top as well as your 40 hour p/w job? I can't. It's no wonder lads aren't committing. They simply can't. If someone has a family on top of that, it's ridiculous. Personally, I'd love if the GAA went pro, but I digress.
N way would Healy come back in my opinion. Hurling is his preferred sport and he is commuting from England as it is so a non runner. Jaysus if you had a team of Cahir Healy's!
In an interview on newstalk during the summer Healy said he'd like to go back to the football at some stage.
Lads lets be honest with ourselves here. Healy is a hurler, he is already making a huge sacrafice to make the hurling, commuting over and back from London, which is all travel and waiting round included is almost 6 hours travelling per journey. Lets just leave that there.
As regards other players, yes lets hope Mick can have the Cheddar effect and make players want to represent their county, and have some pride in their jersey. get rid of some dead wood and build for the future. pray for a good draw, avoid Dublin, and get to a Leinster Final.....(I make it sound so simple)
Theres enough of good footballers in this county to be contesting an All-Ireland Quarter final
The real problem in Laois is the County Board....... They have no vision and are out of their depth. Laois are a county in decline and this will not change anytime soon.....
On the Cahir Healy topic, how long has he been commuting to and from England for? I know he is a teacher for at least 2-3 years.
How has he not been appointed somewhere at home? Imagine the player he could be if he didn't spend every free minute he has in airports.
Every sports scientist these days talks about rest and recovery and how your average GAA player doesn't get enough of it.
Surely Cahir doesn't even get a fraction of what is required?
Cahir is just committment to Laois through and through. Lads like him should be earning a wage for the contribution he's making. If the GAA goes pro, it doesn't mean that players can transfer county - it just means that the GAA will be the player's job and they can focus on being top athletes. Imagine the numbers we'd get, trying to play for Laois, if it was professional. It would be great. The GAA have more than enough to cover a wage. The sport would get huge! Interest would grow as well as attendances.
Then, a true, talented and committed athlete like Cahir wouldn't have be doing nonsense like get a plane each time he has to train.
I think you'll probably find that the GAA doesn't have "more than enough" to start paying the salaries of well over 1500 inter-county hurlers and footballers from around the country. Paying them an average of 20k a year (hardly a sufficient wage the majority of players) would cost 30 million a year.
Read this Giovanni, it's a very good article on how it could work....
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/a-professional-gaa-what-wouldnbspit-look-like-and-at-what-cost-355237.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/a-professional-gaa-what-wouldnbspit-look-like-and-at-what-cost-355237.html)
Of course it can work. Thinking it can't work is very narrow minded. Look at all all of the pro sports in the world. They make it work, of course they didn't start off as huge as they are now. It's the only way forward. It will be in place within 10 - 15 years in my opinion.
It could be professional if there were only 12 teams. The unbalanced archaic county system must come crumbling down eventually. Imagine, we put Leitrim with 25,000 people up against Dublin with 1.5million and tell the people in Leitrim to be proud of the jersey and that's enough for ye. We all should be proud of where we come from but 85% of the country feels like losers because of where they were born. There's people born with talent and a winning mentality in every club in Ireland but our system makes sure only the ones from the counties with the most resources get to taste success. The rest can dream but can be guaranteed they will never make it without transferring.
Stupid post. "85% of the country feels like losers because of where they were born."?!?! Where did you get that statistic? YourArse.com.
Almost everyone I know is proud of where they came from.
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on October 10, 2015, 12:27:51 AM
It could be professional if there were only 12 teams. The unbalanced archaic county system must come crumbling down eventually. Imagine, we put Leitrim with 25,000 people up against Dublin with 1.5million and tell the people in Leitrim to be proud of the jersey and that's enough for ye. We all should be proud of where we come from but 85% of the country feels like losers because of where they were born. There's people born with talent and a winning mentality in every club in Ireland but our system makes sure only the ones from the counties with the most resources get to taste success. The rest can dream but can be guaranteed they will never make it without transferring.
Exactly how I see it.
There's also a huge number of players from the big counties lost because they don't make the first 24.
The AI championship was originally a club competition, a professional GAA will probably see a return to the same system with half of the 12 teams Dublin based.
How Sky get on with their promotion experiment will have a big say in all of this.
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 09:20:47 AM
Stupid post. "85% of the country feels like losers because of where they were born."?!?! Where did you get that statistic? YourArse.com.
Almost everyone I know is proud of where they came from.
I gave my opinion. I didn't try to rubbish yours. Most people are proud of where the come from but I know a huge number of people who feel they have to win something to honour their place. However, the odds are stacked heavily against about 26 counties in both codes who will live under a consistent cloud of failure with a few much bigger and better resourced counties carving up the spoils between them and accepting the plaudits. It's a crazy system. If we were starting the GAA from scratch in 2015 we would NEVER come up with the current county system.
It'd be naive to think transfers wouldn't happen if it went pro to any degree, how long would Laois be able to hold on to Kingston, willie Hyland, and the likes, better resourced counties would find ways of ensuring they moved.
As bad as the club set up is now, if you had pro or semi pro elite panels, the club scene would be a complete farce. when the provinces in the rugby went pro, the club scene was destroyed. Currently AIL games would only be attended by one man and his dog. How many times did o'gara kick for cork con, bod for blackrock or the likes, virtually none. If it turned pro, as a club manager, you need never worry about finding someone to mark donie, or willie Hyland, they'll be in the stand, under orders from their employers.
Great win for the Mick Lillis trained Palatine in today's Carlow Co. Final.....
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Not sure that there would be too much interest in having 12 professional teams sucking a large proportion of the resources of the Association. Would this be 6 hurling teams and 6 football teams or only football?
Whatever chance the smaller counties have now, professionalism would simply make the differences more acute (and further reduce the likelihood of a Laois or Clare making a breakthrough).
As regards that article Junior, I am not an expert on finances of the GAA but I have a strong suspicion that there is some serious double or even treble counting going on there. Since a large part of the money is flowing from one part of the Association to the other, it's easy (and incorrect) to add all the incomes of the various arms of the Association and say that the income is a EUR 100 million a year.
Cahilane, Kingston, Ross.
I like the sound of that FF line. I hope a good few of the portlaoise lads will join the squad this year.