Would you be in favour of a second tier?

Started by sligoman2, June 26, 2017, 12:34:12 PM

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Would you be in favour of an alternative championship for Div 3 and 4 with winners and runners up rejoining the other championship.

Yes
136 (52.7%)
No
104 (40.3%)
Undecided
18 (7%)

Total Members Voted: 258

square_ball

Quote from: The Boy Wonder on July 04, 2019, 10:48:08 AM
blewuporstuffed's proposed system above is the best I have seen.
This would be an excellent solution.

Yip we have a winner here. Out of all proposals this is the best one I've seen yet.

five points

Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 04, 2019, 11:56:21 AM

Thats a completely different thing though.
What i mean is, how easy the route is for cork/kerry to reach the super 8s as opposed to say an ulster county.

It's not completely different. It's impossible to eliminate every unfairness.

Personally, I'd far prefer to see my own county win a provincial title than reach the not-so-super 8s.

Rossfan

Blowup's scenario is just a tweak of the present knock out do or die qualifiers whose first 2 rounds are mainly populated by D3 and 4 teams.
Making the League more important than the Provincials is daft unless you move the League to the Summer.
Anyway the GAA has the 2 proposals emanating from last weekend's CC meeting on its table so we'll see how that works out.
Meanwhile we folks on discussion forums can put forward our ideas on Championship reforms and good luck to us.
Like the TV programme "we asked 100 people..." we'd get maybe 90 different proposals.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

sid waddell

#1008
A speech from Lord Hor Hor

GAA calling, GAA calling.

Weak counties - Achtung! Surrender!

The Leader hereby decrees that the Irish People, the people of the GAA and the people of our associated official broadcast partners and corporate sponsors, demand a final solution to the question of the sick, the infirm and the cripple counties.

The Leader decrees that from 2020 on, the sick counties will be concentrated in a new, vibrant second tier All-Ireland football losers competition, called the Vibrant Losers' Cup, to be played in a blitz, the final of which will take place in Roscrea at 10 am on the first Saturday in August, thereby ensuring huge media attention, as promised. The winners will carry a gold star on their jerseys for the following year.

The strong are tired of propping up the weak. The masters of the race for Sam must and will have lebensraum. The All-Ireland championship must be kept pure and free of the polluting influence of the no hopers.

No longer will Dublin travel to Leitrim, no longer will Tyrone travel to Longford, no longer will Mayo tavel to Longford, no longer will Kerry travel to, eh, Longford, it's always f**king Longford, isn't it.

Gaelic football is a survival of the fittest. The strong must devour the weak. Know your place, piccaninnies.

At a Special Sitting (SS) in October, all opposition will be swept aside and a glorious new competition which will last for a thousand years will come into being.

In co-ordination with Head of Propaganda Josef Brolly, we will sweep aside all opposition to the Vibrant Cup. The weak and the sick will be given Das Boot.

Our head of propaganda has called for a socialist GAA. This is what we will give people, a glorious, national, socialist GAA.

There is nobody who will stand in the way of the glorious future.

No appeal from any sick county that they will be destroyed forever will be heard. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

To those weak, sick counties who defy the will of the people and our associated official broadcast partners and corporate sponsors for this glorious future, I have three words to say to them - Arbeit Macht Frei.

Heil Hor Hor!


Farrandeelin

Should Mayo and Cork be in tier 2? Given our terrible performance and Cork's 13 point defeat. Sure that's why the second tier is about. Avoiding tankings.
Inaugural Football Championship Prediction Winner.

lenny

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2019, 10:26:12 PM
Should Mayo and Cork be in tier 2? Given our terrible performance and Cork's 13 point defeat. Sure that's why the second tier is about. Avoiding tankings.

Quite a few disingenuous idiots on here.

Armagh18

Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2019, 10:26:12 PM
Should Mayo and Cork be in tier 2? Given our terrible performance and Cork's 13 point defeat. Sure that's why the second tier is about. Avoiding tankings.
Yeah sure lets just have Dublin as tier one playing themselves then everyone else can be tier 2.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM


joemamas

Quote from: BennyCake on September 16, 2019, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2019, 12:01:40 PM
Just to make Benny's and Hardstations day ;D

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-ignore-gpas-appeal-to-defer-vote-on-second-tier-38501081.html

No surprise there. I always knew the GAA fascists would make it happen.

Jesus, there should nearly be three tiers, never mind two.
Dublin V Wicklow, Dublin V Carlow, Kerry V Waterford.
No disrespect to any of the lesser counties, but sweet jesus, how can you continue to motivate a young fella to burst his balls for three or four months and then to experience the annual hammering.

btw, the GAA hierarchy are also stupid if they think that this alone will resolve the bigger issue.
Give counties in DIV 3 and 4 (multiple ) extra coaches and funding, otherwise the second tier will eventually die off.

An Watcher

Two tiers, one for the dubs and one for the rest. Dubs can play among themselves or split themselves up!

Taylor

If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

BennyCake

Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

Cunny Funt

#1018
Quote from: BennyCake on September 16, 2019, 03:10:19 PM
Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

To be more competitive against the top teams the next time they play them has to be a motivation and to not allow themselves fall back to the level they were at.  Cavan,Roscommon,Kildare who all had their spells in Div 3 and Galway who was a middle of the road Div 2 team getting knocked out of Connacht by Sligo and the All Ireland series by Antrim. And yes i agree tanking will always happen regardless of the format or tiers you have just look at hurling this summer to see that.

Rossfan

Proposed Football Rule changes for the Special Congress -
Kick outs from 20m line
Mark for catching a ball kicked from outside 45 which travel 20m or more
10 minute sin bin for black cards.

Tweaks to "Super 8"s but will have to go to full Congress it seems.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM