All Ireland club football championships 2023/24

[Mario]

Credit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.

Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether  not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.

People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.

Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?

Coleraine bucking that trend of course.

If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses

1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour

For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.

Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.

Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?

Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Northern_Ireland_by_religion_or_religion_brought_up_in

That's council districts which is pretty irrelevant for this discussion, most of the Derry clubs would be in causeway or mid Ulster. Derry Strabane is half in Tyrone

[Derryman forever]

Credit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.

Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether  not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.

People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.

Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?

Coleraine bucking that trend of course.

If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses

1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour

For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.

Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.

Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?

Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Northern_Ireland_by_religion_or_religion_brought_up_in

That has no relevance to county.

[seafoid]

Credit where its due. Glen were persecuted for years as a townie club that would never deliver. You only have to go back to start of Derry thread here to see that. In fact all towns were written off, as the rural clubs were the predominant forces.

Then Coleraine won it and in time Magherafelt crossed the coveted line...before Glen kicked the doors down altogether  not just winning Derry, but Ulster and now AI.

People talk about tradition, I say go ahead and make your own history. Glen proved that.

Imagine if Derry could get the city producing more quality teams how much of a force they could become in football. North Derry wouldn't be a hotbed for footballe either would it?

Coleraine bucking that trend of course.

If formerly garrison towns that are now soccer towns could be converted to Gaelic fortresses

1, Sligo and Longford would not be on the no Sams list
2. Louth would be ahead of Meath on the Sam roll of honour

For football counties, having a soccer town is like having a strong hurling area in your county. It means not leveraging your population in full. Derry is the 6th most populous county but Kildare, Meath, Tipp, Wexford and Kerry have lower population and more Sams.

Conveniently ignoring that half the county is from a unionist background.

Is that not less of a factor in Tyrone and Derry than it is in Antrim and Down ?

Tyrone definitely. Co. Derry outside of the city might be more unionist, or close to 50 50

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_in_Northern_Ireland_by_religion_or_religion_brought_up_in

That has no relevance to county.

It does actually

Someone said Derry is 50% protestant

It is split between AREA followed  by % CATHOLIC

Causeway Coast and Glens      40.1%   
Derry and Strabane         72.4%   
Fermanagh and Omagh         64.3%   

So 50% is very unlikely unless 60% of the county is in Causeway Coast and Glens

West of the Bann the Protestant% is below 40% I would imagine

[Oso]

The best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday.  Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line.  They were made to look average.

Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards.  I've highlight this before. 

St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.

The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free?? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage???   I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul??

The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.

Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.

And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game.   As cynical as it gets.

Football didn't win yesterday.   

[Derryman forever]

County Derry is approximately 65%  nationalist.
Approx 30% of that 65% live in Derry City .

[larryin89]

Is Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in  players from outside the parish?

[JoG2]

Is Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in  players from outside the parish?

Neighboured by Slaughtneil, Lavey. Bellaghy, Screen etc close by.. Not sure who'd they'd be taking players from.
They were Intermediate 10 years ago.

[Derryman forever]

Is Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in  players from outside the parish?

It is.

[Armagh18]

Is Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in  players from outside the parish?

Hardly describe them as a "super club" like Crokes etc. Proper community club as far as I know. Glass and those boys grew up together sure didnt they win a couple of Ulster minors. Fair few of that team won a hogan cup around 2013 and theres a few more macrory medals after that as well.

[Brendan]

The whole thing about protestants in the 6 counties don't play GAA is becoming less of a factor now anyway less areas are becoming no go areas in terms of catchment

[Armagh18]

The whole thing about protestants in the 6 counties don't play GAA is becoming less of a factor now anyway less areas are becoming no go areas in terms of catchment

Still very few of them playing. So theres approx 50% give or take across the north.

[Armagh18]

The best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday.  Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line.  They were made to look average.

Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards.  I've highlight this before. 

St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.

The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free?? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage???   I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul??

The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.

Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.

And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game.   As cynical as it gets.

Football didn't win yesterday.   

Aw here.

[marty34]

The best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday.  Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line.  They were made to look average.

Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards.  I've highlight this before. 

St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.

The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free?? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage???   I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul??

The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.

Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.

And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game.   As cynical as it gets.

Football didn't win yesterday.   

He's back! On a mission!

[marty34]

Is Glen a true parish club or is it like a lot of these super clubs taking in  players from outside the parish?

Glen the parish but Maghera the town.

Surrounded by Lavey and Bellaghy on one side, Slaughneil and Swatragh and Ballinascreen on the other.

Maghera a good location - half way between Belfast and Derry with the new road networks opened up this past few years.

Strongly nationalist town with a good few new housing developments in it although a lot of Swatragh, Lavey and Slaughtneil people living in the town now I think.

Two chapels and 2 primary schools but some kids go to the Irish school in Slaughtneil.

They won 4 Ulster Minor titles in a row (iirc) in Belfast (St. Paul's Tournament) so that's the basis of that team. They got a good few of them through with Conor Glass on a few of them teams.

[Oso]

The best footballing team by a mile lost yesterday.  Lots of posters who bigged Glen up taking a totally different tact now.....off day...missed so many chances...got over the line.  They were made to look average.

Glen not being efficient in front of goal has been an issue all along....they don't have any natural footballing or scoring forwards.  I've highlight this before. 

St Brigids will kick themselves, they gave 2 really bad goals away. The first one, one of the defenders could have lifted it, but he toe poked it on the ground straight to mcguckian and then the keeper did his best to dive out of the way.

The goal as the end was another goalkeeping howler but was pretty cynical from Glen. Mcguckian fouled the defender that goes down with cramp to stop a counter attack as Glen have big players in advanced positions including Glass. Why did the ref no allow the cramp to be treated as it was directly caused by a Glen tackle which he deemed a free?? Wtf is that about? He then forces the St Brigids player to take the free with his team mate out of action and on the ground and his tea with a numerical disadvantage???  I get that you don't hold up play for cramp but when it's as a direct consequence of a foul??

The free immediately afterwards for the alleged foul on the glen player, who literally put the ball under his arm and charged as if he was heading for the try line was another bizarre decision.

Warnock was roasted, anyone touting him for the Derry set up needs a reality check, but why wasn't he carded for dragging the st Brigids player back when clean though in goal on the first half, when O'Carroll missed chance following the offload. Maybe the esteemed MR2 can explain some of these refereeing decisions? But he'll likely cop out as that's his style. That's 1-1 for Glen direct from bad ref calls between 58th and 60th minute...just not good enough at that level.

And the final act of the much lauded champions was a black card to drag a player down and stop him advancing any further than the 45 for the last kick of the game.  As cynical as it gets.

Football didn't win yesterday. 

Aw here.

Facts or not?