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Title: man city new invincibles
Post by: mayoaremagic on December 10, 2017, 05:03:31 PM
Can this man city go 100 games unbeaten? Some team
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 10, 2017, 05:24:13 PM
They were beat in midweek
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2017, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 10, 2017, 05:24:13 PM
They were beat in midweek

Close the thread  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 10, 2017, 06:11:16 PM
 8)

Wheres next
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Denn Forever on December 11, 2017, 01:53:47 PM
I don't think you want to lable them that if you support them.  Remember Arsenal Invincibles?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 09, 2018, 01:13:58 PM
As even Wigan Athletic proved this Manchester City side were far from invincible.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?


Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?

Probably the same fellas who came up with all the other hollow cliches in sport.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 09, 2018, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?

Probably the same fellas who came up with all the other hollow cliches in sport.

While he wasn't the origin of it one of the greatest golfers of all time Gary Player is attributed as using 'the harder I practice the luckier I get' maxim on a number of occasions. I would not classify him as one who comes up with 'hollow cliches' and he certainly has walked the walk and talked the talk. You often find hurlers on the ditch seem to think that these cliches are just phraseology but the reason they become cliches is that once upon a time they were true (or perhaps they always are true!). I know that anyone who has played sport at any level knows that you do create your own 'luck' by hard work and practice. Also perrenial losers always blame 'bad luck' 'bad referees' 'bad conditions' ,  all external things to mask their own failures. The old cliche of you get out of life what you put in is true, the same way in sport, you'll get out of a sport what you put in.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 09, 2018, 03:39:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 03:09:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?

Probably the same fellas who came up with all the other hollow cliches in sport.

While he wasn't the origin of it one of the greatest golfers of all time Gary Player is attributed as using 'the harder I practice the luckier I get' maxim on a number of occasions. I would not classify him as one who comes up with 'hollow cliches' and he certainly has walked the walk and talked the talk. You often find hurlers on the ditch seem to think that these cliches are just phraseology but the reason they become cliches is that once upon a time they were true (or perhaps they always are true!). I know that anyone who has played sport at any level knows that you do create your own 'luck' by hard work and practice. Also perrenial losers always blame 'bad luck' 'bad referees' 'bad conditions' ,  all external things to mask their own failures. The old cliche of you get out of life what you put in is true, the same way in sport, you'll get out of a sport what you put in.

If the idea is motivation the words used are interchangeable. They are literally meaningless.

Luck is random. Effort isn't.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 10, 2018, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

I thought the penalty decision could have gone either way. Young gets to the ball first, Aguero arrived almost at the same time the coming regathering of the two on the ball forces Young's foot onto the ground where it bounces up into the shin of Aguero.

Interestingly 5 mins later City won the ball back off MacTominay in similar circumstances but there was no talk of it being a foul at all. Think it may have lead to the Aguero chance as well.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: StGallsGAA on April 10, 2018, 09:58:10 PM
Think it could be time to change the title of the thread lads... 3 capitulations in the space of a week.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: mouview on April 10, 2018, 10:09:11 PM
Citeh quite unlucky with officialdom it must be said. Had goals ruled out on very questionable offsides in both games.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 10, 2018, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: mouview on April 10, 2018, 10:09:11 PM
Citeh quite unlucky with officialdom it must be said. Had goals ruled out on very questionable offsides in both games.
Any excuses needs to be parked. Beaten 5-1 over two legs and created just three shots on target in the two matches.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: mouview on April 10, 2018, 10:09:11 PM
Citeh quite unlucky with officialdom it must be said. Had goals ruled out on very questionable offsides in both games.

Man City would remind you of the Galway hurlers a few years ago. Highly regarded but pure usheless against Monaco last year. Big clear out. Highly regarded but pure usheless against Liverpool this year....Drop.lhe heads with 20 minutes to.go.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 10, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: From the Bunker on April 10, 2018, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 10, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.

+1 (and I'm a Liverpool fan!)

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 10, 2018, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 10, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.
Sane goal yes but the penalties were dives and only a poor ref would have given those.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: laoislad on April 10, 2018, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 10, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.
Penalties? Not a hope were any of them penalties.
Also the first goal was a foul on VVD so if that goal isn't given you also have a different game.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 12:13:29 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

As for the penalties I think one possibly two could have been given but they would have been harsh.

The Sane goal was simply awful officiating although so was the Mane booking
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 08:31:03 AM
City very unlucky with that second goal. Definitely should have stood. Would have made it very nervy indeed, but the damage was really done by not scoring at Anfield.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Hound on April 11, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 12:13:29 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul. 
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 11, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 12:13:29 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.

I wasn't ignoring it I was simply wondering what it was that he was complaining about as I had been watching that part of the match without sound.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2018, 09:31:17 AM
City were on the wrong end of a really poor decisions last night but that game was lost in 20 crazy minutes at Anfield; Pep's team have form for this in the CL, so many times his teams have just have a spell where they fall apart. City were always going to tire in that 2nd half and were always going to have to score 5 goals to win, that decision last night didn't impact on the result.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

From 1-0?? No I dont think so. Liverpool were battered in the first half regardless of whether it was 1-0 or 2-0. Klopp steadied the ship and Liverpool battered City in the second half. No contest. Better team won on the night and in the tie.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.   
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 11, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 11, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 12:13:29 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.
Exactly this.
There was nothing in the initial clip that he was appealing for , but the following push out over the line was certainly a foul and took him out of the game for the city break which they scored from.
The sane goal obviously should have stood, but i can see how the referee got this wrong as it wasn't obvious on first look that it had came off Milner and not Jesus.
You can argue that this decision changed the shape of the tie, but no more so that allowing the first city goal after 2 minutes, which put liverpool under immense pressure right from the very start of the game
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 11, 2018, 09:48:01 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.
Half a dozen??
ah now come on  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2018, 09:55:18 AM
Plenty of decisions went City's way earlier on in the season, can remember Bravo's tackle last year which could have broke Rooney's leg which would have been a pen and a red card. These things happen, City should be more concerned why their team manage to concede so many goals in a short space of time, its a reoccurring theme for Pep.

City look tired in the last 2 games as did Bayern when did in the later stages of Europe when Pep was their, he flogs his players earlier on in the season and naturally later on in the season it affects them. I saw stats a few months ago which showed how much City were putting into games in terms of sprints, they would sprint far more in games then everyone else. He's had plenty of opportunity to rest his best players earlier on in the season but he didn't, he's flogged De Bruyne and its showed the past week.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 11, 2018, 09:48:01 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.
Half a dozen??
ah now come on  ;D

Well, off the top of my head Liverpool's first goal at Annfield and a City goal disallowed for same - two offside decisions - two penalty claims against Ashley Young in the Manchester derby - and the 'offside' goal not given last night.

Five that come to mind straightaway.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: laoislad on April 11, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 11, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 12:13:29 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.

I wasn't ignoring it I was simply wondering what it was that he was complaining about as I had been watching that part of the match without sound.
You clearly are ignoring it. As Hound said the second incident where Sterling pushes VVD over the sideline is a definite foul so therefore the first goal should not have stood. If City don't score after 2 mins of the game then it's an entirely different game. Yes the Sane goal should have been given but you can't just ignore the fact their first goal shouldn't have been.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 09:34:37 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

From 1-0?? No I dont think so. Liverpool were battered in the first half regardless of whether it was 1-0 or 2-0. Klopp steadied the ship and Liverpool battered City in the second half. No contest. Better team won on the night and in the tie.

2-0 at ht and it is going exactly to plan for City.

The nerves would have definitely set in - as it was the disallowed goal gave Liverpool a great lift and you could see City arguing with the ref going in at half time and still hadnt composed themselves when the 2nd half started
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: NAG1 on April 11, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
In all seriousness to me it looks like City have just run out of energy at the wrong time.

The defeat at Anfield was a big blow, Liverpool had way more energy and drive that night. Against United in another big game they were only able to play in fits and starts and not close the game out, again last night they did not look fresh or full of zip as they have done for most of the season.

Credit to Liverpool the way they set up for both legs.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 11, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on April 11, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
In all seriousness to me it looks like City have just run out of energy at the wrong time.

Was thinking that myself. It's a pity they are so far ahead in the league though.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 16, 2018, 08:32:07 AM
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: AZOffaly on April 16, 2018, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 16, 2018, 08:32:07 AM
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season

They won't.

And as for Liverpool, is this the first instance of Next Year is Our Year spouted by an opposition fan? :)
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 16, 2018, 09:06:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 16, 2018, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 16, 2018, 08:32:07 AM
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season

They won't.

And as for Liverpool, is this the first instance of Next Year is Our Year spouted by an opposition fan? :)

;D
Maybe when you hear something so often you start to believe it.

Spurs werent good on Saturday but at least they have something about them. Hope JM stays at that club for life
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: seafoid on April 16, 2018, 09:39:23 AM
This article is from 2016 before Guardiola went to Manchester City.
Very interesting given the Champions League exits to Monaco and now Liverpool. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-guardiola-failed-in-his-main-task-at-bayern-1.2640203
Ken Early: Guardiola failed in his main task at Bayern
Bayern's idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola's Barcelona had

'I've done my best here," said Pep Guardiola after losing his third and last Champions League semi-final with FC Bayern. "But if you say that I had to win the Champions League, then I've failed. Go ahead and write that I have failed."
Actually, the verdicts have been rather restrained. Last week, when Atlético Madrid knocked Bayern out, the crowd in Munich didn't boo. They had too much respect for the effort they had seen from their team. But the fact that Guardiola and Bayern tried doesn't mean they haven't failed.
Guardiola's Bayern dominated the Bundesliga so thoroughly that the three leagues they won under him rank among the least exciting title races in German history. But Bayern did not hire him to win the Bundesliga. They have 80 per cent more money than their closest rivals, Borussia Dortmund, and keep buying their best players.
As Felix Magath pointed out: "In these circumstances it would have been more surprising if he had not won the league."
No, Bayern's idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola's Barcelona had done. They wanted to stamp the name of Bayern indelibly on the era. Instead, 2013-16 will go down as an age of Spanish dominance unprecedented since the start of the 1960s.

Too perfect

Catalan writer Sònia Gelmà suggests that Guardiola's problem is that he is simply "too perfect". "Too educated, too elegant, too neat, too successful." She argues that Guardiola's extreme accomplishment aroused suspicion and resentment. She advises those who would judge Guardiola a failure: do so by all means, but at least be consistent. "Judge yourself by the same standards, and then try not to kill yourself."

Guardiola is certainly one of those guys who seems to have it all, and when such a figure suffers a setback there is often more schadenfreude than sympathy. And Guardiola has had an incredible career; the charge that he is "a failure" is absurd.
But the charge that he has failed at Bayern is not. And the notion that any criticism of the maestro must be rooted in envy of his perfection is laughable. Guardiola was good at Bayern, but he was far from perfect.
For a start, a perfect coach would not have been so quick to point the finger at others when things went wrong.
Marti Perarnau's book Pep Confidential records that Guardiola spent the night of Bayern's 4-0 defeat to Real Madrid in the 2014 semi-final cursing himself – not for having lost 4-0, but for having allowed his players to talk him into an excessively-attacking approach. This, he reckoned, had been the biggest mistake of his career. Ostensibly taking all the blame, he found a subtle way to share it with the players.
In 2015, it was the doctors' turn to let Guardiola down. There had been rumours of discord between Guardiola and Bayern's medical department for weeks by the time of the match at Bayer Leverkusen in April, when the coach reacted to Mehdi Benatia's injury by turning around to his bench and ostentatiously showering the medics with sarcastic applause. A few days later, the medical department quit en masse, saying they were no longer prepared to put up with Guardiola blaming them for bad results.
Their replacements have fared little better. Guardiola seems unwilling to accept that injuries are part of the game. Last week, Bild reported that he had again lost his temper with Bayern's doctors, demanding to know why they couldn't get Arjen Robben fit when Atletico Madrid's doctors had got Diego Godín back in action after barely a week out injured.
The coach reacted to that report by blaming a mole who, he claimed, had blabbed dressing room secrets "in order to hit me". Disagreements in football are normal, he said, but usually they stay in the dressing room. A pity that last year he couldn't remember his own rule about disagreements staying in-house, instead of publicly humiliating his medical team in a packed stadium.
These lapses could have been forgiven if Guardiola's football genius had made the difference in more of the key moments.
"They say you defend well if you have 11 men in the box, like Bayern had with Trapattoni and Hitzfeld," Guardiola said. "But my idea is completely different. I like to defend by playing the game 40 metres away from our goal."
Bayern would play this way against mediocre German sides, winning easily and barely conceding a shot. But the defining international image of Guardiola's Bayern will be of a superstar of world football – Ronaldo, or Bale, or Messi, or Neymar, or Suarez, or Griezmann – eluding through a high Bayern line and bearing down on Manuel Neuer. In the big matches, that 40 metres of space always seemed to work against Bayern.

There was one sure way for Guardiola to avoid the charge of failure. It was to stick around at Bayern until he had finished the job he had been hired to do. Instead, he joined Manchester City, who offered him more money and more control. At City he will face very different problems from the ones he faced at Bayern, and he can prove new dimensions of his greatness.
But let's not pretend what happened at Bayern was anything other than a bitter disappointment for everyone involved.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 07, 2018, 12:40:58 PM
City in the news the last week.

Who'd have thought City were up to no good when their commercial revenues are over £100m more than Liverpool's and Chelsea's and so many of their sponsors are from the same part of the world as the owners.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 10:03:46 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.

Makes Leicester's win even more spectacular, Liverpool must be sick given they're the closest to them at the minute and will probably still end up 9/10 points back.

Would you rather...

City continue to win via financial doping or Liverpool get that elusive first PL title with the potential to kick on for more?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
Oh I understand the difference. Hence why I asked was the concern for ethical reasons. I just don't see how one is worse than the other if your concern is for fair competition.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 11:06:13 AM
Financial doping, is this a new thing or was it always the same when the owner of a club spunked their personal wealth into a club like the Jack Walker at Blackburn or more recently Roman Abramovich at Chelsea.

The "traditional" big clubs don't want anyone upsetting the status quo with them at the top of the pile buying all the best players, utter scutter.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

In no way was that Leicester team acquired in the manner of financial doping, it was an exercise in top class scouting and a fairytale season. Yes the Thai billionaire owns the club.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 11:20:11 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 11:06:13 AM
Financial doping, is this a new thing or was it always the same when the owner of a club spunked their personal wealth into a club like the Jack Walker at Blackburn or more recently Roman Abramovich at Chelsea.

The "traditional" big clubs don't want anyone upsetting the status quo with them at the top of the pile buying all the best players, utter scutter.
Exactly Johnny. No doubt about it City are breaking the rules, but they would be a long time raising the monies through merchandise and gate receipts, the way the established big clubs do. So what is the solution for other clubs that want to compete at the top?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
On a side note I am always interested when GAA people say something like this regarding soccer. Because they are generally the same people who give off about Dublin and unfair competition. And yes I am aware that the GAA is amateur before anyone asks.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
On a side note I am always interested when GAA people say something like this regarding soccer. Because they are generally the same people who give off about Dublin and unfair competition. And yes I am aware that the GAA is amateur before anyone asks.

On a side note you saying this in relation to me is nonsense.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

In no way was that Leicester team acquired in the manner of financial doping, it was an exercise in top class scouting and a fairytale season. Yes the Thai billionaire owns the club.

Are you seriously postulating that it wasn't his money that won them the league?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.



Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

In no way was that Leicester team acquired in the manner of financial doping, it was an exercise in top class scouting and a fairytale season. Yes the Thai billionaire owns the club.

Are you seriously postulating that it wasn't his money that won them the league?

Aye
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 08, 2018, 03:17:47 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

Leicester worked from limited budget compared to the likes of Man City and Chelsea. They were the 4th lowest in terms of wages for that title winning season, it was more or less same team that spent the bulk of the season before near the bottom of the Premier League. The highest priced signings they made was Kanté for a mere £5.6 million and Shinji Okazaki for £7 million.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 08, 2018, 04:40:27 PM
I think City should be docked points. And I think they should do it this season. 15-20ish should do.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2018, 05:28:24 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 08, 2018, 04:40:27 PM
I think City should be docked points. And I think they should do it this season. 15-20ish should do.

Think they would still win the league this year
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2018, 07:20:12 PM
You'd need to dock points off Chelsea too  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 09, 2018, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 09, 2018, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

It seems that City have invested heavily in their academy so I very much doubt that although they certainly wouldn't be bidding for the high end players.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: NAG1 on November 09, 2018, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 09, 2018, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

It seems that City have invested heavily in their academy so I very much doubt that although they certainly wouldn't be bidding for the high end players.

Invested being the word, these academies are not solely developing young local talent.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 09, 2018, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 09, 2018, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

It seems that City have invested heavily in their academy so I very much doubt that although they certainly wouldn't be bidding for the high end players.

Invested being the word, these academies are not solely developing young local talent.
Long gone are the days they did that. It's a global market for young kids as well.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 24, 2019, 10:45:11 AM
I dont for a second believe Utd will lie down tonight.
Sunday's performance by them was probably the worst thing that could have happened us.
If they raise their game to unbelievable levels then they could sneak a draw.

We need 3 points tonight - anything else and we can kiss goodbye to the PL.

Going from a possible quadruple to the two mickey mouse cups will be a bad season given the resources Pep has
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on May 09, 2019, 08:56:03 AM
Some craic in this thread.

Given who is now in the CL final, as good as Pep is he has to be now under serious pressure to win the CL next season.

Given the money we are spending each year I dont think the PL will be enough going forward
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Dearg on February 13, 2021, 08:28:49 AM
Pep is no fraud, he is a fantastic manger.
Man City have been excellent this year when teams all around them have lost their shit they have kept calm and worked away winning football matches.
I think it will be their most impressive title win of them all.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: reillycavan on February 13, 2021, 07:58:14 PM
City getting Everton game called in December was a game changer. Will they present Jordan Pickford with a medal for his contribution? His tackle on Van Dijk ruined liverpool season.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: maldini on February 14, 2021, 08:50:28 PM
Wouldn't have made a difference
Fulham and Newcastle have won at Everton in recent weeks I'm sure City in this form would have done so too had the league not called off the fixture for covid
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on March 08, 2021, 11:26:10 AM
Thoroughly outplayed yesterday unfortunately. The run was always going to come to an end - its just a pity who it was against.

They played a very high line against us as well as putting us under immense pressure when we played out from the back.

Had been reading a lot about Martial however I thought he had a great game yesterday and was a real thorn in our side- he held the ball up well - our CB's will be disappointed.

KDB & Sterling were not great yesterday and Sterling had his customary miss against Utd.

Even Cancelo who has been our best player recently had an off day.

Southampton and Fulham up next so we should be fine there - cant see anyone coming close to us for PL but the real goal has to be CL - nothing else will do

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: macker15 on May 04, 2021, 08:03:19 PM
Going for 5 0 City. Neymar and PSG  are overrated.  Pep will confirm himself as greatest gaffer of all time. Resting Cancelo, Rodri and Sterling for the final . Di Maria is shocking.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: BennyCake on May 04, 2021, 08:43:56 PM
PSG were always a bunch of chokers.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: macker15 on May 04, 2021, 09:27:28 PM
Di Maria must have some agent.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2021, 09:35:09 PM
Game ruined. Never had any time for dimaria.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: macker15 on May 04, 2021, 10:00:20 PM
Man City have champions league sown up.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: maldini on May 04, 2021, 10:40:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 04, 2021, 08:43:56 PM
PSG were always a bunch of chokers.

Just outclassed over the tie, didn't choke
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on May 05, 2021, 08:22:54 AM
The performances over those two legs were as good as we have played in a long time.

Solid and composed at the back. Stones has really benefitted from having Ruben Dias beside him - Dias makes him look a superstar because he is so dominant. I would go so far to say he will be better than VVD very soon. He is only 24 or so.

No idea how Fernandinho didnt get a card last night. He was superb mind you.

Foden, KDB & Mahrez worked their socks off and never gave PSG any peace.

Sterling's form has completely fallen off a cliff - I would like to see him playing better so there is more competition for places.

PSG are a different beast without Mbappe - Neymar is over rated IMHO.

This is the best chance we will ever have to win the CL - have to take it

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on May 05, 2021, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: Taylor on May 05, 2021, 08:22:54 AM
The performances over those two legs were as good as we have played in a long time.

Solid and composed at the back. Stones has really benefitted from having Ruben Dias beside him - Dias makes him look a superstar because he is so dominant. I would go so far to say he will be better than VVD very soon. He is only 24 or so.

No idea how Fernandinho didnt get a card last night. He was superb mind you.

Foden, KDB & Mahrez worked their socks off and never gave PSG any peace.

Sterling's form has completely fallen off a cliff - I would like to see him playing better so there is more competition for places.

PSG are a different beast without Mbappe - Neymar is over rated IMHO.

This is the best chance we will ever have to win the CL - have to take it

Big fan of Mahrez who doesn't get the same exposure as KDB nor Foden, but in fairness the three of them are different gravy.

I'd like to see City do it.

They've some panel when you see the bench.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: BennyCake on May 05, 2021, 09:14:46 AM
Remember this dude?

(https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2010%2F05%2F06%2Farticle-0-0974F7EB000005DC-193_224x423.jpg&sp=1620202297Td3e04f72f1502acb4e2d611e724a803a4b677e1b510b2db351e79aacd735adc7)

He might only have to go back to the tattooist and change a 1 for a 2.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on July 26, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
Kane saga is dragging on and on - definitely not worth £160m

I see Lewandowski being touted as a target if Kane doesnt come.

At 32 we wouldnt get many top years out of him so it would be a stop gap
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 26, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 26, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
Kane saga is dragging on and on - definitely not worth £160m

I see Lewandowski being touted as a target if Kane doesnt come.

At 32 we wouldnt get many top years out of him so it would be a stop gap

What age is Aguero? surely they are similar age
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on July 27, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
33 but he had been picking up a lot of injuries.

Lewandowski is a gamble that we cannot afford to take this season
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: lurganblue on July 27, 2021, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 26, 2021, 03:51:51 PM
Kane saga is dragging on and on - definitely not worth £160m

I see Lewandowski being touted as a target if Kane doesnt come.

At 32 we wouldnt get many top years out of him so it would be a stop gap

£160m is nuts. I still think city should be punting for Haaland instead but what do i know :)
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: thewobbler on July 27, 2021, 09:05:25 AM
What's nuts is that a team with (by top level standards) moderate income streams has nearly a full team of subs every week that earn >£100k a week. And that's just the amounts that they're declaring in their accounts ffs.

They're the epitome of everything that is wrong with football and fair play.

So any chairperson who doesn't do their utmost to maximise any potential income from City would need a good shoeing.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 27, 2021, 12:04:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 27, 2021, 09:05:25 AM
What's nuts is that a team with (by top level standards) moderate income streams has nearly a full team of subs every week that earn >£100k a week. And that's just the amounts that they're declaring in their accounts ffs.

They're the epitome of everything that is wrong with football and fair play.

So any chairperson who doesn't do their utmost to maximise any potential income from City would need a good shoeing.

Yes....it is nuts,  it is also likely against FFP but because the authorities have no balls and fucked up around the investigation into them they will continue to get away with sports washing through suspicious sponsorships
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: lurganblue on July 27, 2021, 12:33:31 PM
Am I right in saying FFP has now been relaxed due to covid and reduced incomes?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on August 19, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Have booked tickets to take young lad next Spring, flights are open but 'all games subject to change'. V Brighton, down for 3pm on a Saturday. Any City men here could offer advice? I know Celtic used to have guaranteed Saturday 3pm games starred so the travelling Paddies could book in confidence, City don't seem to do that.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 19, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Have booked tickets to take young lad next Spring, flights are open but 'all games subject to change'. V Brighton, down for 3pm on a Saturday. Any City men here could offer advice? I know Celtic used to have guaranteed Saturday 3pm games starred so the travelling Paddies could book in confidence, City don't seem to do that.

Sky / BT release their games a few times a year. I can't remember the exact date, but I'd say it'll be the end of Jan / middle of Feb for March and April fixtures. You'll get the exact date at some stage a good bit in advance
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: StPatsAbu on August 19, 2021, 08:42:01 PM
Nothing is guaranteed until Sky say so. Every team is their biatch
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on August 19, 2021, 09:47:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 19, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Have booked tickets to take young lad next Spring, flights are open but 'all games subject to change'. V Brighton, down for 3pm on a Saturday. Any City men here could offer advice? I know Celtic used to have guaranteed Saturday 3pm games starred so the travelling Paddies could book in confidence, City don't seem to do that.

Sky / BT release their games a few times a year. I can't remember the exact date, but I'd say it'll be the end of Jan / middle of Feb for March and April fixtures. You'll get the exact date at some stage a good bit in advance
I booked the flights out there anyway for early Saturday am, cheap as chips at this stage, will sort the return when the match is confirmed, dunno if it's going to be a 1 night or 2 night stay at this stage, match day & time will dictate. That game has got early Saturday morning BT game wrote all over it I reckon.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 19, 2021, 09:47:08 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 19, 2021, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 19, 2021, 06:58:13 PM
Have booked tickets to take young lad next Spring, flights are open but 'all games subject to change'. V Brighton, down for 3pm on a Saturday. Any City men here could offer advice? I know Celtic used to have guaranteed Saturday 3pm games starred so the travelling Paddies could book in confidence, City don't seem to do that.

Sky / BT release their games a few times a year. I can't remember the exact date, but I'd say it'll be the end of Jan / middle of Feb for March and April fixtures. You'll get the exact date at some stage a good bit in advance
I booked the flights out there anyway for early Saturday am, cheap as chips at this stage, will sort the return when the match is confirmed, dunno if it's going to be a 1 night or 2 night stay at this stage, match day & time will dictate. That game has got early Saturday morning BT game wrote all over it I reckon.

Fingers crossed you strike it lucky. Sat 3pm, the traditional KO time is ideal.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on March 02, 2022, 12:01:48 PM
Ended up I'm taking my lads to the Champions League game next Wed v Sporting Lisbon (pity they're 5-0 up tho). Got all reorganised pretty easily, Covid obviously changed Easyjets outlook on life too.

Anybody got any experience of getting back to base after a mid week game? I'm sure it's bedlam trying to get taxis etc.. am I safer just hoofing it in? Looks like 1.5m to hotel, safe?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: CK_Redhand on March 02, 2022, 03:23:55 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 02, 2022, 12:01:48 PM
Ended up I'm taking my lads to the Champions League game next Wed v Sporting Lisbon (pity they're 5-0 up tho). Got all reorganised pretty easily, Covid obviously changed Easyjets outlook on life too.

Anybody got any experience of getting back to base after a mid week game? I'm sure it's bedlam trying to get taxis etc.. am I safer just hoofing it in? Looks like 1.5m to hotel, safe?
I am for this match too. My first champions league game, its a pity about the scoreline from the first leg.

The etihad is in a pretty isolated part of the city. There are trams back to the center after the match, I would say it can be walked if your lads can manage it.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2022, 12:39:36 PM
Utd are playing rubbish so expect a 1-2 win Utd,  Pogba with the winner
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: cokers on March 06, 2022, 02:46:21 PM
You're always good for a laugh MR2
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 06, 2022, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: cokers on March 06, 2022, 02:46:21 PM
You're always good for a laugh MR2

22/1, thank me later  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on March 07, 2022, 03:22:11 PM
As dominant a second half display as you are likely to see.

Seemed to really increase the pace after half time and they had no answer at all. We were helped by them seeming to completely throw in the towel.

Once we got past their high press we created countless chances. Their defence is as bad as most of the teams around the relegation zone.

KDB was again sublime - he is in a rich vein of form. Mahrez had a super second half.

Even Jack looked like a world class player although that would probably be down to the opposition defenders rather than Jack himself.

The ole's were really rubbing in into them but why not  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on April 25, 2023, 12:39:53 PM
Heading to City v Arsenal 2moro nite, booked it last Autumn as an Xmas present for my lad, took a chance on it staying a Wednesday night fixture, little did I know how crucial a game it was going to be, should be a cracker! And unbelievably I could be going to Everton v Newcastle on Thursday night. Stars have aligned.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 25, 2023, 04:28:28 PM
Should be a cracking game Benny.

Fully expecting a comprehensive victory given how Arsenals defence have been playing without Saliba
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on April 26, 2023, 11:03:05 PM
Jesus, that was a joy to watch. City just streets ahead and I was wondering how the hell Arsenal were top of the PL. Halaand terrorised that defence all night and he's a pugnacious hoor, was battering any defender who came near him all night. KDB & Rodri 2 x Rolls Royces.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: RedHand88 on April 27, 2023, 06:28:48 AM
Holding v Haaland was always going have one outcome.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: mrdeeds on April 27, 2023, 07:13:31 AM
Over 100 charges against them and UEFA investigation they were never cleared off. Everything they win has an asterisk.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Nanderson on June 10, 2023, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: sensini on June 10, 2023, 08:37:03 PM
This Man City team will overtake Fergie 99 team.
How do you overtake a team?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: seafoid on June 10, 2023, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 10, 2023, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: sensini on June 10, 2023, 08:37:03 PM
This Man City team will overtake Fergie 99 team.
How do you overtake a team?
Put 2 flakes in the 99
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: general_lee on June 10, 2023, 10:01:40 PM
90% of that final was shite.
Nice finish for the goal, Lukaku is a donkey and Ederson kept Abu Dhabi FC in it
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: snoopdog on June 11, 2023, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on April 27, 2023, 07:13:31 AM
Over 100 charges against them and UEFA investigation they were never cleared off. Everything they win has an asterisk.
100% yet the guys on skysports  bbc itv etc never mention that.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: DhoireTheas on June 11, 2023, 01:35:43 PM
It just gets boring from here on in when your club have won everything, it is called the hedonistic treadmill. Those older fans will secretly be wishing they were a struggling mid table team again or even a team in the 2nd Division as that is where the excitement is at. Dublin Gaelic football fans would have felt the same after 6 in a row.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: trailer on June 11, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Hard to believe Lukaku is a paid professional footballer. Fat and useless.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: snoopdog on June 11, 2023, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on June 11, 2023, 01:35:43 PM
It just gets boring from here on in when your club have won everything, it is called the hedonistic treadmill. Those older fans will secretly be wishing they were a struggling mid table team again or even a team in the 2nd Division as that is where the excitement is at. Dublin Gaelic football fans would have felt the same after 6 in a row.
Yeah I'm delighted utd and Down are shite now.   
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: From the Bunker on June 11, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 11, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Hard to believe Lukaku is a paid professional footballer. Fat and useless.

He has fooled quite a few in his time to spend money on him.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Captain Scarlet on June 11, 2023, 05:34:57 PM
If City lose Gundogan or Silva (I know it's only gossip) that is massive. The pair of them are so flexible.
Mahrez probably going to.

But in terms of the midfielders they need to be well drilled by Pep and it's not for everyone.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 11, 2023, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 11, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Hard to believe Lukaku is a paid professional footballer. Fat and useless.

He has fooled quite a few in his time to spend money on him.

Helps to have a good agent. Even at his peak Lukaku was a flat track bully. Right now he's should be playing in Saudi league or for Inter Miami instead of the Champions league.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: JimStynes on June 12, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 11, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Hard to believe Lukaku is a paid professional footballer. Fat and useless.

He has fooled quite a few in his time to spend money on him.

Did he not score a bucketful at inter the first time he played for them, hence the reason they wanted him back. He wasn't as bad as people are making out.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on June 12, 2023, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 12, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 11, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Hard to believe Lukaku is a paid professional footballer. Fat and useless.

He has fooled quite a few in his time to spend money on him.

Did he not score a bucketful at inter the first time he played for them, hence the reason they wanted him back. He wasn't as bad as people are making out.

His best season in the EPL was with Everton, play the ball over the top and let him barge his way through.

Limited footballer.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: imtommygunn on June 12, 2023, 09:30:27 AM
He doesn't seem to have a good footballing brain. His athleticism / power etc is great but movement in the box is very poor and instinctiveness is very poor. It was really highlighted in one of the world cups with belgium and tbh hasn't improved really.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:02:00 AM
The open-top bus victory parade starts from Deansgate at 5.30pm. 
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: JimStynes on June 12, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 12, 2023, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 12, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 11, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Hard to believe Lukaku is a paid professional footballer. Fat and useless.

He has fooled quite a few in his time to spend money on him.

Did he not score a bucketful at inter the first time he played for them, hence the reason they wanted him back. He wasn't as bad as people are making out.

His best season in the EPL was with Everton, play the ball over the top and let him barge his way through.

Limited footballer.

Going by Wiki he has 106 international games and 72 goals and for inter a few years ago he has 95 games and 64 goals!
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:02:00 AM
The open-top bus victory parade starts from Deansgate at 5.30pm.


Parade is about a few hundred yards long, a far cry from United's 10 mile parade in 99.

There's been no change in City's support in Manchester the last decade despite their success, miles behind United.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: imtommygunn on June 12, 2023, 11:08:36 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 12, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 12, 2023, 09:13:38 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on June 12, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 11, 2023, 03:20:41 PM
Hard to believe Lukaku is a paid professional footballer. Fat and useless.

He has fooled quite a few in his time to spend money on him.

Did he not score a bucketful at inter the first time he played for them, hence the reason they wanted him back. He wasn't as bad as people are making out.

His best season in the EPL was with Everton, play the ball over the top and let him barge his way through.

Limited footballer.

Going by Wiki he has 106 international games and 72 goals and for inter a few years ago he has 95 games and 64 goals!

He's very effective if you play a system centered round him but when he goes to the bigger clubs that doesn't happen so much.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: J70 on June 12, 2023, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 11, 2023, 03:57:59 PM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on June 11, 2023, 01:35:43 PM
It just gets boring from here on in when your club have won everything, it is called the hedonistic treadmill. Those older fans will secretly be wishing they were a struggling mid table team again or even a team in the 2nd Division as that is where the excitement is at. Dublin Gaelic football fans would have felt the same after 6 in a row.
Yeah I'm delighted utd and Down are shite now.

Hyperbole aside, it is a fair point. It becomes about diminishing returns - it is simply not possible to get anything remotely like the same thrill winning the Premier League for the fourth time in five years (which will likely become fifth in six) that you did as a City fan that first time in 2012, even leaving aside the "Agueroooo" moment. It gets stale. Let's say they win another two Champions Leagues as well in the next 3-4 years, or even equal what Bayern and Ajax did in the 70s. Where do you go at THAT point? There are literally "no more worlds to conquer!", to quote the great Hans Gruber. :P



Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: maldini on June 12, 2023, 05:34:27 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:02:00 AM
The open-top bus victory parade starts from Deansgate at 5.30pm.


Parade is about a few hundred yards long, a far cry from United's 10 mile parade in 99.

There's been no change in City's support in Manchester the last decade despite their success, miles behind United.

No change whatsoever, despite the stadium capacity and average attendance increasing in the last ten years and due to do so again?

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on June 12, 2023, 07:25:49 PM
Someone's brought the ching to the bus parade  ;D wasted
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: AustinPowers on June 12, 2023, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2023, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:02:00 AM
The open-top bus victory parade starts from Deansgate at 5.30pm.


Parade is about a few hundred yards long, a far cry from United's 10 mile parade in 99.

There's been no change in City's support in Manchester the last decade despite their success, miles behind United.

Take the  Gallagher's out of  it , there's not  much there
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: screenexile on June 12, 2023, 09:38:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyclNMLWYAweMLF?format=jpg&name=medium)

Nobody there...

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: imtommygunn on June 12, 2023, 09:58:27 PM
Jack Grealish is on some ripper  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Saffrongael on June 12, 2023, 10:01:45 PM
City getting 35k in L1 but they have no support lol
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: maldini on June 12, 2023, 10:14:20 PM
There were 200,000 there tonight
Hardly no support now
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:36:36 PM
One does get the feeling that Manchester is now blue after tonight.

I wouldn't be surprised if lifelong Reds fans are now switching to City.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2023, 01:33:04 AM
Sure they used to say normal Manchester people supported city, where every blow in and hanger on outside Manchester supported Utd. Typical example been all there support on here.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: jcpen on June 13, 2023, 07:15:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2023, 01:33:04 AM
Sure they used to say normal Manchester people supported city, where every blow in and hanger on outside Manchester supported Utd. Typical example been all there support on here.
There will be definitely a generation of kids now who grow up supporting Man City, here in Ireland also.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: RedHand88 on June 13, 2023, 07:48:19 AM
https://twitter.com/grizzkhan/status/1668383711685926913?s=48&t=RYtl0Il2l5K_ejkHKyVHiA (https://twitter.com/grizzkhan/status/1668383711685926913?s=48&t=RYtl0Il2l5K_ejkHKyVHiA)

These are treble celebrations. Treble. Celebrations.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: RedHand88 on June 13, 2023, 08:25:07 AM
Quote from: maldini on June 12, 2023, 10:14:20 PM
There were 200,000 there tonight
Hardly no support now

Liverpool got 750,000 out for 1 trophy (Champions league) in 2019.
We'll never know what a 2020 League parade would have brought out but it would have been more.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2023, 08:40:43 AM
Around 40,000 at it, not physically possible to fit 200,000 into the few streets in town they went down.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Saffrongael on June 13, 2023, 08:42:38 AM
Who cares how many people were at it ffs ? They won it, it's over
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on June 13, 2023, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:36:36 PM
One does get the feeling that Manchester is now blue after tonight.

I wouldn't be surprised if lifelong Reds fans are now switching to City.

It's the kids that are key.

Most fans stick with the club the supported as a kid. Kids more often than not support the winning teams so it'll take a few years for City's success to filter into a bigger fanbase putting their hands into their pockets.
City allegedly leave Utd in the ha'penny place when it comes to community outreach in the city, don't underestimate the impact that has.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: AustinPowers on June 13, 2023, 09:50:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 13, 2023, 07:48:19 AM
https://twitter.com/grizzkhan/status/1668383711685926913?s=48&t=RYtl0Il2l5K_ejkHKyVHiA (https://twitter.com/grizzkhan/status/1668383711685926913?s=48&t=RYtl0Il2l5K_ejkHKyVHiA)

These are treble celebrations. Treble. Celebrations.

They couldn't  cheer while they  had prawn sandwiches in their  mouths
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 13, 2023, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2023, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:36:36 PM
One does get the feeling that Manchester is now blue after tonight.

I wouldn't be surprised if lifelong Reds fans are now switching to City.

It's the kids that are key.

Most fans stick with the club the supported as a kid. Kids more often than not support the winning teams so it'll take a few years for City's success to filter into a bigger fanbase  ets.


That's what I would have thought, but are there many Irish Chelsea supporters who were kids when they were a top team?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on June 13, 2023, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 13, 2023, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 13, 2023, 09:14:19 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 12, 2023, 10:36:36 PM
One does get the feeling that Manchester is now blue after tonight.

I wouldn't be surprised if lifelong Reds fans are now switching to City.

It's the kids that are key.

Most fans stick with the club the supported as a kid. Kids more often than not support the winning teams so it'll take a few years for City's success to filter into a bigger fanbase  ets.


That's what I would have thought, but are there many Irish Chelsea supporters who were kids when they were a top team?
Funny Armagh City has its fair share of middle aged men who are Chelsea & Leeds fans from the previous mini glory eras in the 70s.  I can think of quite a few City fans of that age too.

There are certainly a lot of young City fans knocking about with no familial connections. One of my lads is City, other United - I support neither.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: AustinPowers on June 13, 2023, 01:53:29 PM
Only ever came  across one  City fan . And that was  back when  they were in  the old third division

Only known  2 forest fans , 1  Sunderland,  1 West Ham , 1 Newcastle and a few Everton .  Most others  Liverpool Man U,  Arsenal
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 13, 2023, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.

You could say that about 99% of Irish premiership fans. It's hardly coincidence that nearly everyone supports one of the big clubs. It's not like they have any genuine ties to the clubs.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: bennydorano on June 13, 2023, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 13, 2023, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.

You could say that about 99% of Irish premiership fans. It's hardly coincidence that nearly everyone supports one of the big clubs. It's not like they have any genuine ties to the clubs.
Beat me to it. The lack of self awareness in the original post is astounding.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on June 13, 2023, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.

Read that back to yourself. Demeaning
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: clarshack on June 13, 2023, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.

Growing up most people supported either Liverpool or Man Utd probably for the same reasons a young person would support City now.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on June 13, 2023, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.

Read that back to yourself. Demeaning
I did. I would double down on it even further and say same goes for the new generation of Newcastle fans that will pop up when they start winning things too. Especially if they have family members that support a different team and they actively choose to 'support' them.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: maldini on June 13, 2023, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 13, 2023, 08:25:07 AM
Quote from: maldini on June 12, 2023, 10:14:20 PM
There were 200,000 there tonight
Hardly no support now

Liverpool got 750,000 out for 1 trophy (Champions league) in 2019.
We'll never know what a 2020 League parade would have brought out but it would have been more.

Liverpool have more fans and are a bigger club than City
I don't think any City fan would argue
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: maldini on June 13, 2023, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 13, 2023, 08:42:38 AM
Who cares how many people were at it ffs ? They won it, it's over

A lot of United and Liverpool fans it appears
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: maldini on June 13, 2023, 10:37:40 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on June 13, 2023, 01:35:00 PM
Anyone young people from here calling themselves city fans are laughable. They're glory hunters therefore they can't be taken seriously. As plastic as the club itself.

And that's why Liverpool and United have most fans here
As they were very successful in the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s
That's how it works
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2023, 11:08:05 PM
I asked my dad years ago, what was his reason for picking Utd as his team.

The success and tragedy of Munich would have been his main reasons
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:03:14 AM
I wonder more why all these Irish men suppose foreign clubs but wouldnt go outta there way to watch a local soccer team.! Half of them are the Same lads who shout brits out of Ireland. We don't do irony well.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2023, 07:25:36 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:03:14 AM
I wonder more why all these Irish men suppose foreign clubs but wouldnt go outta there way to watch a local soccer team.! Half of them are the Same lads who shout brits out of Ireland. We don't do irony well.

Not too many Brits playing in the premiership nor are there many Brits that own them
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 14, 2023, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2023, 01:33:04 AM
Sure they used to say normal Manchester people supported city, where every blow in and hanger on outside Manchester supported Utd. Typical example been all there support on here.

They did and it was utter nonsense, no change in that either.


Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: RedHand88 on June 14, 2023, 09:04:45 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 14, 2023, 12:03:14 AM
I wonder more why all these Irish men suppose foreign clubs but wouldnt go outta there way to watch a local soccer team.! Half of them are the Same lads who shout brits out of Ireland. We don't do irony well.

Because my local teams are shite and/or rooted in sectarianism.