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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 09, 2006, 11:52:00 PM
No Ziggy - I'm only messing
Frick, I thought there was hope then ;)
Nice new board.
Arsenal to get stuffed at weekend. (Wishful thinking, I'll take a boring 0-1 off crouchs knee)
I agree with what cicfada said!!!!
I will take a draw Saturday as it is the toughest game Liverpool really have left!!! They have all the top teams at home from here in so just maybe there is still that glimmer of hope!! Oh they are going to win Europe again this year! ;)
Good stuff lads. I see a lot of the threads have made it over :)
QuoteI think we`ll beat Arsenal at the weekend,
Why are Liverpool fans always so delusional, Liverpool have an average defence, an excellent midfiled and a poor attack. I fully expect Arsenal to win this one comfortably.
Arsenal should have it as comfortable as they had last week at the hammers!!!! :-\
We've reason to be delusional dinny. Success does that to a team!! ;)
QuoteWe've reason to be delusional dinny. Success does that to a team!! ;)
Not in the Premiership, Liverpool are a good side more suited to cup competitions. Arsenal have paid the price in failing to convert chances, the Hammers deserved something last week. If Liverpool try and play football they will be beaten, if they put 10 men behind the ball they might get a point. A draw is no good for either side.
"If Liverpool try and play football they will be beaten, if they put 10 men behind the ball they might get a point."
Sorry dinny but that's bollix!! Liverpool have enough good passers in the team now to be able to pass the ball about and play good football. I think your over-rating Arsenal and under rating Liverpool. Which is fair enough your an Arsenal supporter, just dont expect me to agree with you!!
Shocking stuff again from Liverpool today. I didn't think they could be as bad again as they were against United, but that was close! I doubt if Arsenal will get many easier points than that. No intensity or belief at all; too many players off-form or not up to scratch. The only positive is that the toughest away games have now been played, so it probably can't get any worse (well, it can't anyway, given that no points have been taken nor any goals scored in those games!).
Carragher very fortunate not to get a second yellow.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 10, 2006, 02:04:44 PM
Why are Liverpool fans always so delusional, Liverpool have an average defence, an excellent midfiled and a poor attack. I fully expect Arsenal to win this one comfortably.
Who would have predicted ;D
Nobody likes a smart arse.Even if he's right. So piss off Dinny.
Don't mean to offend but when someone tells me I'm talking bollix I'm entitled to reply, anyway no more WUM from me, I shall leave you to discuss....
savage poor performance from Liverpool. I do wonder about selection with Liverpool sometimes. Really didn't think that Crouch and Kuyt were going to be able to do a job on Toure and Gallas. Disappointed with the whole showing today. Even Riise and Gerard were at each other. Poor all round
Woeful performance from the team today. Didn't even think Arsenal played all that great but we stank the place out. I'm baffled why we are so poor away from home in the Premiership.
I am starting to believe the rumours about Stevie G. He was piss poor. There seems to be definite problems in the camp. On paper this Liverpool team is not as bad as their results are showing.
...bottom half team. :P They are as far a way from winning a league title now as they ever were under Houllier. Hopefull Benitez's CL win will keep him in the job for at least another 5 years tho. Makes for a very unhappy Christmas on merseyside tho, what with the Farepack running off with all their Christmas savings.
Are you all stupid or something? They had a bad game yesterday and this happens. They have been on a decent run and lets face it Arsenal are a pretty damn good team. Trophies are given out in April and May and while I don't expect them to win the League they are progressing. Get some persepctive ffs.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2006, 10:52:36 AM
Are you all stupid or something? They had a bad game yesterday and this happens. They have been on a decent run and lets face it Arsenal are a pretty damn good team. Trophies are given out in April and May and while I don't expect them to win the League they are progressing. Get some persepctive ffs.
I don't think they are progressing BC, they've lost 5 league games away already and have not scored ONE goal from open play, that is not progression. I'm not sure Benitez is suited to the premiership. I do think he is a good manager though, but he doesn't seem to be getting it right in the league.
Get a grip lads, for f**k's sake! Liverpool finished with more points last season than they did in most of their championship-winning seasons. They won the Champions League 18 months ago. Benitez has introduced a few new players who need time to adjust (which doesn't necessarily mean that they will), while quite a few players are off form. Anyone who writes Benitez off at this stage is just an idiot.
Would have to agree with the "don't panic" posts. The team's performance can only really be judged at the end of the season. Whilst I'm as disappointed as any lifelong fan to be so far behind at this stage, there is nothing to be gained by joining in with some sort of media driven feeding fenzy. The true worth, strength/weakness of the squad will be most accurately reflected in the end of season picture. In the meantime the manager must be allowed to continue with his rebuilding without every, in hindsight mistake, being jumped upon.
Yesterday was not the game for Benitez to be stubborn! This is the only reason why I can think he kept Stevie G on the wing!! He killed Steve Finnan all day!! With no outlet on the right for Liverpool Finnan was having to run up and down the wing all game and with Henry always pulling to the left on attacks it was clear to be seen thats were Arsenal were killing us!! :-[ Chin up lads there is alot to play for yet!
I'm no Liverpool fan but surely Agger has to start instead of Hyppia for the rest of the season.
Bellamy must of really fucked Benitez off when he starts Crouch and Kuyte ahead of him. I suppose he hasnt' been scoring goals but away from home when possession is going to be limited you need a bit of pace up front.
Gerard isn't 100% for whatever reason and playing him in the centre isn't going to remedy it
Sissoko is a bigger loss than most Liverpudlians imagine
Pennant is worse than useless.
The Liverpool players don't look too confident with the zonal defencive strategy they are trying to use at set pieces.
def agree a massive loss when we lost him last year for benfica games we went 2 shite.def wud have agger starting ahead of hyppia.crouch and kuyt are there on merit tho wiud agreee bellamys pace gives sumthin different even if he has been misfiring
Are Liverpool really any better off than under Houllier? Benitez has spent alot of money as well and bought badly it seems.
he is.very few managers would have won the european cup with the group of players we had in 2005.sissokko and alonso have been 2 great signings.reina went 10 or 11 games without conceding a goal, crouch has also done very well after a bad start and kuyt also looks the ticket.no matter wat u say bot garcia, he has a tremendous record in europe and gets alot of goals 4a midfielder not playing every week.agger also looks gud.il admit aurelio,gonzalez,zenden etc dont inspire me witrh confidence.we got 82 points last year that would have won the prem in previous years.away form is horrible but we have seven new signings and have played our big rivals as well as the top three challengers and bolton.
I think the manager has to take a look at himself as well as the players but our main problem I think is that we have too many players who are out of form currently. Gerrard and Carragher are the heartbeat of the side but both of them are playing well below last season's standards, Bellamy can't buy a goal, age is catching up with Hyppia, etc. This is dragging down the performance levels generally and confidence is low when we're not playing at Anfield.
''I think is that we have too many players who are out of form currently''
Yes, that is the problem and the current squad depth in terms of quality players that will take a leading role or have leading roles exected of them is lowered in comparison with Man U and Chelsea.
Take the Top four teams in England:
Man Utd:
Made signings over the summer and released players.
Man U look to Rooney and Giggs as well as Gary Neville for the leading roles, at the moment they are in form and Man U are refelcting that, also other smaller players have began to take more serious roles when it is not expected of them - Vidic, Scholes.
Should these top players drop in form the league position will inevitably be affected dropping thme to 2nd.
Chelsea:
Made two world class signings over the summer.
Teams like Chelsea are able to gel well together but in terms of leaders the start of this year would have seen Ballack and Sheva as being the main men on the squad with Terry and Lampard, As it stands Sheva and Ballack are still settling but again like Man U other players are filling lead roles boots, Didier Drogba (love him or hate him) and probably joint best this year Essien.
Unlike Man U if and is the current situations the big players have not hit form but when they do the league position will be bolstered which is why Chelsea will be champios again.
Arsenal:
Made their signings also.
Again simillar to Man U Asrenal look to big players to take the lead role, Henry Lehmann.
This year has seen quality signings in Rosicky and Gallas, these players are joined by others who are taking lead roles but are not outstanding which means a drop in form will no unsteady the progress of the team and therefore league position will be maintained possibly 3rd come end of season.
Now Liverpool,
Made signings over the summer which appear to be short term solutions. Bellamy and Fowler(last year) as well as Gonzales.
These players cannot take lead roles as it is not expected of them to do so. This leaves the 'old faithfuls' Sissoko and Gerrard. The Problem now is that Sissoko has been sidelined which leaves the pressure direct on Gerrard to bolster Liverpool as a team. Liverpool need more natural leaders. As stated liverpool are knockout cup champions as a big performance can be gained for these matches but it is about maintaining the form and big performances if the premierhsip is their goal.
Solution, play Gerrard where he is best suited to regain a bit of confidence in the team, let him leads as a leader and see if the other players around him can step up to the mark (Kuyt, Reina, Carragher etc.) as it will be needed should Gerrards poor form continue.
Verdict: Too reliant on Central Players and no fringe players make long/short term progress as leaders. They lack the Essiens and Scholes, consistently good players which will hit patches of good form, and to do this less rotation and let the plaers gel, especially in the run up to Christmas to get back on track and compete for European placement, possibly 5th this year.
Only a guess but i think thats whats holding up Liverpools league progression.
In mitigation we have had the hardest start in terms of league fixtures of any team in the Premiership. We've played Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton and Bolton all away from home. Arguably the five hardest away fixtures in the premiership for us. Still the performances have been well below par in those games but I still expect us to improve and to get a Champions League place especially given our easier run of games in the 2nd half of the season. Apart from that we're looking at the cups again.
Posted this on another forum in response to yet ANOTHER article lazily suggesting that simply moving Gerrard to the centre will be the solution to all our woes. IMHO Liverpool are stuck right in a nasty rut and moving Gerrard about won't fix it:
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All this weeping and whining and moaning about Gerrard in the centre is just masking the real problem at Liverpool IMO, and that problem is Benitez himself and his strait-jacket negative approach.
It might seem sacrilege to question a man who took us to a Champions League, but am I the only one who can see all too many parallels between himself and Houllier? Just like GH in that summer when we were supposed to be going on to challenge for a title, he's made some signings that aren't working. Just like that season, title aspirations were rapidly revised downwards to battling for fourth place, but most of all, we're still playing like a Houllier team – functional, systematic, over burdened with 'tactics' and with no spark, life or fizz whatsoever.
We're robotic and seem to be playing to a rigid system. We have wingers who receive the ball, put their foot on it, and pass backwards into midfield who then pass it back to Hyppia or Carragher, who then hoof it back to the opposition. Our players seem petrified of taking a chance at attacking the opposition for fear of losing the ball so you get the shuffling huff and puff we got against Arsenal last week. If you didn't know the score and looked in you'd never have guessed Liverpool were trailing in the game such was their lack of urgency and forward momentum. All the spark and spontaneity seems to be coached out of our players. Look at Bellamy this season and compare him to last, look how Morientes has blossomed away from Benitez' over cautious approach and stultifying tactics, look how Pennant has regressed from last year even in a poor team like Birmingham.
As soon as we go 1-0 down I just know it's all over. Our turgid gameplan is totally predicated on not conceding first which might have been alright back when the defence was solid but it's far from it now and we're in major trouble any time we let a goal in. The loss of Hammann, who was one of the real heroes of Istanbul, is exposing our defence for what it is – porous when not shielded by an expert holding midfielder.
Forget about Gerrard on the right, that's just the press obsessing about a big name England player and missing the very real factors that are under their noses.
The only thing about leaving Gerrard on the right is that IMO he's not even trying in that position anymore. Against Arsenal I thought he looked completely disinterested until he got moved into the middle. In his head he's given up on right midfield.
Do agree with a lot of what you said. Our play is so static it's untrue. Players are sticking to their positions and nobody is making runs. No movement in the team whatsoever. Full-backs are barely getting past half-way, midfielders are not making runs into the box, etc.
Cavan maniac, whatever about the selection/rotation policies, the poor form or whatever the statement that when Liverpool concede it is over is not borne out by the facts. Granted they have started this season spectacularly badly away from home, but under Houllier there was a stat something like Liverpool never won a game from behind. That has changed under Benitez, numerous time.
I'm with BC, and the more cautious members here. Let's not get carried away. LFC has reached a plateau, but with the new signings, a tough away first half of the premiership and the heavy schedule with CL group games, I always thought there was going to be a poor to middling start to the season.
I agree that there is something wrong, but to be honest I'd prefer to let Rafa sort it out, and I'd also prefer him to at most buy one or two new players over the January and Summer transfer seasons. Last summer gone by, there was too many holes that needed to be plugged, and most of us were fairly happy with the likes of Bellemy, Gonzalez, Kuyt and Pennant. But that many players coming into a team is always going to take time to bed in.
So I say, be patient, look for a much better run from here to April/May, and most importantly let the team bed in.
I would prefer Benitez to have a core, settled team of 8-9 players, with only 2 or 3 changes, maybe the likes of Pennant, Gonzalez, Garcia, Aurelio, etc, but all in all I am willing to see how this team finishes the season, and how they start the next one.
Biut no more buying 5 or 6 squad players.
QuoteThat has changed under Benitez, numerous time.
It did initially and believe me nobody was more delighted with that one development than me, it totally illustrated a major shift in emphasis in the team.
But now I'm equally depressed because I think this season we've somehow regressed to be a carbon copy of Houllier's Liverpool and worryingly there's no change in sight just yet.
I agree we should all hold fast and not push the panic button for the reasons you expressed, but I am definitey very worried.
Liverpool should sell Gerrard at Christmas before people cop on that he's actually not that good/finished - the same way Ferguson got rid of Beckham in the nick of time (he should have sold him a couple of years earlier when he stopped trying against Madrid in a CL game at OT). Gerrard simply doesn't have the stomach and professionalism to be the player 'pool fans claim he is. Some clowns in Spain with more money than sense would be the ones to offload him to, i.e. Real Madrid, though that said Capello would need to get sacked first.
Its a long time since I've seen Liverpool as lacking in huger and bite as in recent weeks (against the better sides).
Failing that Liverpool could try to get the back pass rule changed back again to its original state. Barwick might be able to get the ball rolling on that with the FA.
Seanie if Liverpool want to sell Gerrard I'm sure Utd would gladly take him of their hands. (oh how I wish they would)
From watching the match on Sunday Liverpool were brutal imho! If i was Benitez, Gonzalez would get a toe in the hole back to where he came from. Pennant alot like Richardson is way below the standard expected for a top team. As for the Freak up front why not give Bellamy a run alongside Kuyt. The man must be kicking himself watching that shite every week. Just my opinion!
I don't think United would be interested in someone who would be overpriced for the bench (before the flaming starts who would you drop?) and anyway - there's no way they'd have the money for him.
I'd swap ye Carrick for him anyday but I think that Scholes doesn't have that many yrs left in him so he could replace him but like you say Gerrards way of the pace at the minute whereas Scholesy is on top of his game
Magpie, i have to agree with Ben ther I feel you're being a bit harsh on Gerrard, he a quality player who is going through a minor slump albeit his wife is shagging and snorting town and country and he's being played out of position. Id have him at utd no problem.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2006, 03:37:45 PM
Liverpool should sell Gerrard at Christmas before people cop on that he's actually not that good/finished
He scored 23 goals from midfield last season (mainly from right midfield) and won a ridiculous amount games for Liverpool. Not even the staunchest Man U fanboy would say that Gerrard is no good at playing association football or that he's finished at 26 years of age. Ferguson would probably paint his arse yellow and walk naked from Manchester to Liverpool to get him in a United jersey.
He's a moody character though and plainly not in good form at present but if every club sold their best players the minute they hit a bit of bad form then where would they be?
Gerard will come good. This bit of tension between him and Benitez is bound to be doing his head in. Benitez is just being twisted because everyone is pointing out exactly what he should do. If gerard doesn't hit some form soon liverpool could be in big trouble. He was the one that carried them through last season.
could be time to ask Stig Inge Bjornabeeeee back to sort out the mess at Anfield
The great Stig was manager of the team that beat Drogheda in Dalymount in the UEFA Cup. 11-10 on penos or something. Myself and Billy's Boots were there to witness his managerial brilliance. Wasit IK Start or something Billy?
If ye think Gerrard can play centre of midfield in a 4-4-2 then a lot of you are more deluded than I can imagine. There's a couple of reason's why he scored 23 goals last season the most important one being that he doesn't bother doing much defending, i.e. he is really a deep playing striker. That puts it in context. The reason he was "winning the games for Liverpool" is because the rest of the players did the hard, unfashionable work for him.
"Ferguson would probably paint his arse yellow and walk naked from Manchester to Liverpool to get him in a United jersey."
You might be right. Ferguson has made more and more bad decisions in recent years.
can see Stevie G leaving at the end of this season. Think it would do him and Liverpool the world of good to be honest.
Don't think Chel-ski have any need for him now though and he wouldn't go to United (would he?)
Would have to be Spain or Italy, would his game be suited in either of these two countries? I doubt it.
Hang them up Stevie!
Quote from: hows she cutting on November 15, 2006, 05:35:24 PM
Don't think Chel-ski have any need for him now though and he wouldn't go to United (would he?)
I very much doubt it given what he said about United in his autobiography.
what was that bought it at weekend, but student commitments have stopped me getting 2 far
Gerrard will score a screamer and find his form over the next few weeks, and suddenly he'll be the best midfielder in the Premiership again!
This shite is as bad as those who were doubting Wayne Rooney a few weeks back - typical fickle press-led bullshit. All players lose their form at some stage, and with Gerrard's alleged off- and on-field difficulties, its no big surprise that he's a bit off colour at the moment. Its just unfortunate that its come at a time when the likes of Carragher and Alonso are not playing great either.
From the LFC official site:
WHEN SQUARE PEGS FIT ROUND HOLES
Paul Tomkins
15 November 2006
It's easy to pigeonhole players. It's easy to get into the mindset that they can only perform one particular role. But it's also often wrong. Talent should come hand-in-hand with versatility.
I've never been of the opinion that players have one set, defined position, and that that is therefore the end of the matter. While you wouldn't want too many goalies deciding they'd rather be left wingers (especially 15 minutes into a game), good players should be adaptable.
Players will always have a position that suits them best, where they are at their most effective. But if it's a question of getting only 90% from a player in order to get more from the team (in that the alternative would be to play someone whose very best is only 75% of the other player), then that's what counts.
Providing they have the physical attributes for the role, they should be able to at the very least do a job elsewhere. If Denis Bergkamp could play left-back for the Ajax youth team (albeit only as part of his education as a footballer), then it's something all players, and fans, should be open-minded to.
There are a select few Liverpool players in recent years who have had two distinct careers at the club: a number of seasons spent being one type of player, only to then be switched to a new role.
I began going to Anfield in 1990, when John Barnes was still the most exciting talent in the game: a sublime left-winger. But of course, it was also around the time when he'd had a very successful spell as a striker, having topped the league scoring charts and finished with 28 goals in all competitions. But it was also shortly before a serious Achilles tendon injury robbed him of his pace.
I grew up fairly obsessed with Liverpool, like any football-mad kid who supports a club. But it was only in 1987, when I was 16, that I really fell head over heels in love – and it was following the arrival of Barnes, Peter Beardsley, John Aldridge and Ray Houghton. Kenny Dalglish's side sparked my imagination in a way I'd never previously experienced. They played a kind of football that really was like watching Brazil. And at the heart of it was John Barnes, the man who'd scored arguably the best goal Brazil had ever witnessed three years earlier.
One game shortly after his arrival sticks out in my mind. QPR visited Anfield as the surprise early league leaders in 1987. They weren't so much beaten 4-0 as well and truly dismantled. At one point it looked as if Amnesty International would have to intervene (not to mention the RSPCA, given one Rangers' defender was made to look like a lame cart horse time and time again.)
One moment stands out to this day. 'Digger' won the ball on the halfway line and sprinted forward towards the edge of the area, drifting to his left past one defender before almost defying the laws of physics with a turn to his right which took him past England international Paul Parker. It would have been easy to blast a shot at goal, but he had the coolness and presence of mind to slip the ball under a young David Seaman – who premiered his look of bemusement mixed with dejection which he would later reprise for Nayim, Ronaldinho, and of course, most delightfully, Michael Owen at Cardiff.
By the time 2nd-placed Nottingham Forest arrived at Anfield in April 1988, and were beaten 5-0 in what was widely regarded as the finest-ever display on these shores, we pretty much knew that anything was possible. After all, by then Steve Nicol (another supremely versatile player) had scored a hat-trick from left-back away at St James' Park. Teams had been routinely thumped for nine months by that stage. Barnes was the star of a special show.
In 1991 Graeme Souness inherited an ageing squad from Dalglish. Souness then sold some of its better players (Beardsley, Houghton) and replaced them with inferior ones. Alan Hansen had to retire as age, and dodgy knees, caught up with him. But perhaps the biggest factor was Barnes losing his ability to ghost past people and leave them for dead.
Barnes would later be reborn in a midfield role under Roy Evans. His waistline may have expanded to mirror Jan Molby's, but his game started to resemble the great Dane's, too: he hardly got around the pitch, but for three or four years he simply never gave the ball away.
While Barnes is only regarded as a legend on the basis of his salad days, when he took wingplay to new breathtaking heights, he remained a class act even during his later, erm, hamburger days.
Of the current team we know Steven Gerrard has the ability to play anywhere. And of course, his position on the pitch comes with a raging debate, and ludicrous suggestions that Benítez chooses to play him on the right merely to prove a point. And there was me thinking it was so he could have a free role to ghost infield (admittedly something he didn't really do at Arsenal), in the way top-class "central" players of the calibre of Ronaldinho, Zidane and Figo have over recent years.
But it is Jamie Carragher who is enjoying a new career, now remade as a centre-back after the first half of his playing days were spent at full-back.
But in Carra's case it was a question of returning to the role he'd already been earmarked for. In 1999 Gérard Houllier said that one day Carragher would be Liverpool's Marcel Dessaily; he just wasn't ready at that stage. He had grown up as a kid in central midfield and central defence, but couldn't grow up quickly enough in those roles in senior football. It was a struggle.
Having been steady for years on either the left or right full-back slot, he spent the first two seasons of Benítez's reign excelling at the heart of the defence. While he's not been as his best this season, it's a timely (if unpleasant) reminder that he's not superhuman after all.
Perhaps the greatest transformation ever seen at the club was made by Ray Kennedy. When he arrived at Liverpool from Arsenal, as a battering ram of a centre-forward, it was obviously in this role in which Bill Shankly intended him to play. Things didn't exactly go as planned. Kennedy failed to make a spot in the side his own, and found himself in the reserves.
The transformation under Bob Paisley from a big and burly centre forward to an artful left-sided midfielder in 1975 is still seen by some as the greatest-ever manager's long-term tactical masterstroke. Of course, the main credit should go to Kennedy, as he was the man who took to the field and adapted so wonderfully.
Kennedy was a tall, upright kind of player. Watching him run, there seemed no way he could be a footballer; he was in the same club as Patrick Vieira and Chris Waddle in that he simply didn't look the part, didn't move naturally.
Put a ball at Ray's feet, however, and suddenly it was the most natural sight in the world. It stayed close to his side like an obedient sheepdog. He was suddenly a master, in control, calling the shots. Some players are busy, but busy themselves in going nowhere; Ray took his time, but always got there, always arrived.
In being upright, it meant he also played with his head up –– the sign of a good player. You need time on the ball to be able to lift your head, and only good players get time on the ball. You also need to know your control is perfect to take your eyes from the ball and survey the field. He had such quality he could look completely natural in the role.
But the debate of where certain players should be deployed will always come back to Steven Gerrard. Momo Sissoko's injury might seem the obvious cue to move Gerrard back into the middle, and that may happen in the coming months.
But it's also true that on the right he has the ability to put in dangerous crosses, as well as the licence to get into advanced central positions in a way that can make him harder to pick up. Another bonus is that leaving gaps down the right is less immediately dangerous than leaving gaps in the centre, and that's why so many great central talents (such as those mentioned earlier) start from wide positions when drifting around the pitch. It's not like Benítez is doing anything other top managers haven't done in recent years with the best attacking midfielders in the world.
Of course, Arsenal was a game where this ploy didn't really work. And yet at Chelsea, starting on the left (an even more outrageous misuse if his talent to some!), Gerrard ghosted into some great goalscoring positions and really should have won the game for the Reds. Had his aim been just a few inches better on a couple of occasions, the decision would have been seen as a tactical masterstroke.
Maybe the time is right to move him back into a central starting position, to try something different in the absence of Sissoko. That's up to the manager to decide. But it was only a little over a year ago that the Reds were struggling in the league, and the problem was remedied to a large degree by switching Gerrard to a regular role on the right wing.
But hey, playing Gerrard out wide never works, does it?
Paul Tomkins is the author of The Red Review, Red Revival and Golden Past, Red Future.
"This shite is as bad as those who were doubting Wayne Rooney a few weeks back - typical fickle press-led bullshit. All players lose their form at some stage"
There's little comparison between the two. Rooney is genuinely a great player and even when he had a dip in output in terms of goals/assists his workrate was superb. The reason for the dip in form was a reaction to his rushed comeback for the World Cup and was therefore largely physical. A run of games would sort him out and it did.
Gerrard is standing up and letting players run away from him when Liverpool/England lose possession which is a huge no-no.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 16, 2006, 08:58:55 AM
Rooney is genuinely a great player
That English media hype bullshit annoys me, he has potential to be a great player, nothing more nothing less, he has won nothing in his profession. As Roy Keane would say you judge a player at the end of his career and assess what he has won and contributed to the game.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 16, 2006, 08:58:55 AM
"This shite is as bad as those who were doubting Wayne Rooney a few weeks back - typical fickle press-led bullshit. All players lose their form at some stage"
There's little comparison between the two. Rooney is genuinely a great player and even when he had a dip in output in terms of goals/assists his workrate was superb. The reason for the dip in form was a reaction to his rushed comeback for the World Cup and was therefore largely physical. A run of games would sort him out and it did.
Gerrard is standing up and letting players run away from him when Liverpool/England lose possession which is a huge no-no.
God forbid someone mention a Liverpool player in the same sentence as the great Wayne!
My point was that Gerrard is off-form and needs to be allowed to work through it, like Rooney was, whether the cause is burn-out or stress or friction with Benitez or whatever.
QuoteI very much doubt it given what he said about United in his autobiography.
And you only need to look as far as Alan Smith to see how footballers say anything that will endear them the fans more. Gerrard would crawl to Manchester to wear the united jersey if the money was right and he thought he might win a title make no mistake.
"That English media hype bullshit annoys me, he has potential to be a great player, nothing more nothing less, he has won nothing in his profession. As Roy Keane would say you judge a player at the end of his career and assess what he has won and contributed to the game."
Yes Dinny, point taken. I believe Rooney will fulfil that potential.
Great goal by Gerrard!! now we know his best position
Liverpool qualifiying in style unlike United
2-0 Crouch 88mins if only we could play like this in the premiership ???
Good performance tonight I thought. Gerrard's best game of the season. Kuyt was good too.
Injuries not so good. Alonso, Gonzalez and Pennant all off injured. Speedy looked the worst of those.
Last match a formality now so time to start climbing the league table and forget about Europe until after Christmas.
Great result. glad to see stevie G get on the score sheet. maybe now he'll bring some form back into the league
injury to alonso not good,means that zuke zenden prob getta few games
losing three midfielders in one night cud be a disaster for our premiership form.... any word on the seriousness of the injuries?
alonso looks like he will have a dead leg from the impact of challenge on him
Reds count cost of PSV victory
Rafael Benitez revealed that Liverpool have paid a heavy price for winning Champions League Group C with a 2-0 home win over PSV Eindhoven.
Chile winger Mark Gonzalez has a torn hamstring and could be out for at least three weeks, while Jermaine Pennant has a strained hamstring and is very doubtful for Saturday's home league game with Manchester City.
Spanish midfielder Xabi Alonso was also taken off in the Anfield match with a leg muscle injury.
Benitez said: "We are very pleased with the victory, it was good for the players, the fans and the whole club.
"But to lose three players with injuries is a high price. It made it a very hard match to manage, when you see players being taken off like that - two in the first half - it does limit what you can do as a manager.
"We found ourselves having to use Luis Garcia, who was not 100% after being out for three weeks with a calf injury, while Bolo Zenden too, was forced into the game without any warm-up because the injuries happened so quickly."
But boss Benitez was delighted with the performance of Steven Gerrard, who scored the first goal and led the side with drive and passion throughout.
He said: "We played very professionally, and Steven had a fine game. He scored another goal and it was good to see him playing with such confidence, the whole team were happy to see that."
PSV boss Ronald Koeman maintained that the difference between the sides was the performance of Gerrard.
Said Koeman: "The quality of Gerrard was outstanding, it was an excellent midfield performance and was something we could not match."
Koeman was critical of his own side's overall play, and said: "We did not do too badly, we did not give away possession but our build up play from the back let us down.
"We have dangerous players up front but if we do not get the ball to them properly, we will not score goals.
"A lot of our play was really sloppy, if you do that you do not create much up front."
Koeman, who confirmed that he lost Phillip Cocu with a fever just before the match, added: "We were not prepared to risk him because of the important games we have coming up.
"It would have been good to have won at Anfield, but playing away to Liverpool is very different to playing Galatasaray and Bordeaux on their own grounds.
"We know we have qualified, but we still want to end the group with a victory against Bordeaux in our last match, that would send us into the winter in good spirits."
Managed to get tickets for the game. Got back late last night. Good result alright but we were helped by PSV's negative 4-3-2-1 system.
It was 34 minutes before we got the first shot on target which shows what a dire first half it was.
Liverpool had most of the possession but their lack of creativity was glaringly obvious for most of the game.
Yes Stevie G worked hard but so did Peter Crouch, Stevie Finnann with Rise becoming more influential in the second half.
If Pennant had not been stretchered off he would have been taken off becuase he gave away so much ball and wasted so many opportunties.
Both goals were well taken but why, now that he has the central role, can't Gerrard make more of the runs he did to create more opportunities?
Its all well and good making well timed, crunching tackles in midfield but that is bread and butter stuff for any good midfielder.
Lets hope that his goal on Wenesday will restore some of the obvious lost confidence.
Was hoping to hear the KOP in full volume but it was the Dutch fans who made the most noise throughout the night even singing along to You'll Never Walk Alone at the start.
Overall the team were well organised, disciplined and patient but I can see now why this approach has cost us so many points this year.
will be interesting to see the midfield saturday any thoughts?garcia,gerrard,zenden and riise,with warnock at left back?please not aurelio!?
Quote from: charlie stubbs on November 24, 2006, 01:52:35 PM
will be interesting to see the midfield saturday any thoughts?garcia,gerrard,zenden and riise,with warnock at left back?please not aurelio!?
No Warnock, he out for a few weeks. All options on the left injured bar Riise - Kewell, Aurelio, Gonzalez, Warnock. Looks like Garcia or Zenden but no-one else in the middle with Alonso and Sissoko injured. Unless he throws Anderson from the Youth team into the mix but this would be very unrafa like.
its a goodthing we are at home this weekend.maybe play bellers on the right,garcia left with zenden and gerrard in middle.very attacking though.
says on skysports news that pennant should be fit
Any one think Fowler should be givin a fair chance? i reckon he'll be packed off somewhere in January
think 20 mins anyway bellamy hasnt done it kuyt hasnt been 2 gud away from anfield think fowler wud do well playn off crouchs knockdowns
1-0 Stevie G !! ;) more like ya!
All over 1-0 ! :)
slack enuf performance,but sign off a good team suppose not playn well and all that
Quoteslack enuf performance,but sign off a good team suppose not playn well and all that
Classic!
While happy to get the points i'd be alot happier if Liverpool actually put in a performance that would allow you to think that things might be improving!! Been very dissappoined with the performances. It's not even like they are playing like the gunners with some slick football and being unfortunate. Their just not inspiring at the minute at all!!
With the January transfer window just around the corner is there any player who ye think might improve Liverpool at this time or on the flip side any player we should be selling on?
I'd love a proper winger as im less than convinced about Gonzalez or Pennant or even Garcia
swp i think would be a great purchase
West ham bound by all accounts
Zenden out for 4/5 weeks. Midfield will now consist of Stevie G and ??????.
Options - Carra (played there in his formative years and last year for England), Agger or Guthrie (untried youngster).
Prob go for Carra with Hyypia and Agger CB, Riise LB and Garcia on left, Pennat on right. Not too many options though.
Might be time to give the youngsters a go. Portsmouth at home (who have their own injuries) would be as good a game as any to blood Guthrie. Should defo get a run against Gala in a dead rubber match. Also Anderson, Hamill, Peilter could get a run.
carra would be v defence mided which could suit stevie g but we would miss him at the back and agger hyppia aint played together much
Poor result tonight we lose yet more ground on the leaders
Quote from: laoislad on November 29, 2006, 10:10:47 PM
Poor result tonight we lose yet more ground on the leaders
One of those typical frustrating Anfield 0-0 games by all accounts, where Portsmouth got they point they came and defended for. Liverpool couldn't break them down, and that's why they're in the predicament they're in.
Forget the leaders. United and Chelsea are away over the horizon. Getting the third or fourth spot is all that matters for Arsenal and Liverpool now.
Saw Chelsea and Bolton tonight and as 5ivetimes said Chelsea are grinding out results,Bolton and some great chances to draw level but Chelsea come thru yet again and also yeah i hate to say it United look very good
At least Arsenal lost but then again Portsmouth and Bolton even feckin Reading look like better 3rd or 4th placed bets at moment
Quote from: laoislad on November 29, 2006, 10:28:13 PM
Saw Chelsea and Bolton tonight and as 5ivetimes said Chelsea are grinding out results,Bolton and some great chances to draw level but Chelsea come thru yet again and also yeah i hate to say it United look very good
At least Arsenal lost but then again Portsmouth and Bolton even feckin Reading look like better 3rd or 4th placed bets at moment
Liverpool and Arsenal will finish third and fourth.
I wouldn't be putting my mortgage on it
theres a lot of talk about the club changing hands very soon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A17787883
anyone know if Alonso is fit tomorrow?
Surely we should record our first away win tomorrow
Alonso is ready for tomorrow :) hope our strikers are ::)
needs a big result today... important to keep another clean sheet!
4-0 can't complain.Bellamy is a thick little **** though isn't he,can't keep his bleeding mouth shut,good goals though!!
Hopefully this game will break the spell like the 5-1 result against Fulham did last season when Liverpool couldn't score.
Eight clean sheets in nine games as well. Maybe the quality of the opposition wasn't the best, but you have to start somewhere. It remains to be seen if they start scoring regularly enough though. One result means nothing.
What did you all think of the new formation?? Didnt get to see it but getting good reports! Will Rafa stick with it?? Guess he could try it again in Istanbul............ ohh ISTANBUL what great memorys! ;D ;D
What a memory!!!!! ;D ;D
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/istanbul_2_1280-1.jpg)
What do you call the guy in the suit? Wonder what he's texting?
Nice one!!! ;D
could start a new thread on its own carmen, or should i say artie?
Liverpool v arsenal in 3rd round of FA Cup. Nice!!!
what about larssons last game for utd being at anfield? i would be gutted if he scored past us. heres hoping hes injured or suspended that day!
Stiffler. He doesn't join until January. Lots can happen from now to then and he might never play for Man Utd. IE Injury etc
Liverpool prepare for Arab takeover
Oliver Kay
Liverpool are close to accepting a £450 million deal that will allow a consortium from Dubai to become the latest overseas investors in English football. After a three-year search, the Merseyside club's board believes that it has found the right deal to secure its long-term future and will allow the Dubai International Capital group (DIC), a subsidiary of the Arab state's government, to begin the due diligence process this week.
The news will spark a mixture of emotions among Liverpool supporters, but David Moores, the chairman, and Rick Parry, the chief executive, believe it is a deal that will allow the club to re-establish themselves at the summit of English football. Under the terms of the proposals, it is believed that DIC — effectively owned by the al-Maktoum family, the billionaire rulers of Dubai — will take on the club's £80 million debts and provide up to £200 million for a new 60,000-capacity stadium, in addition to meeting Moores's £170 million valuation of the club.
In theory, this would allow work to start on the stadium in Stanley Park within months, while also providing funds for Rafael Benítez, the manager, to compete at the top end of the transfer market, but it is too early to say whether it would generate the kind of money that has enabled Roman Abramovich to turn Chelsea into the world's richest club — or indeed whether Liverpool, a club based on tradition and sensible housekeeping, would even favour such an approach.
Liverpool have attracted offers from several other bidders, most recently George Gillett, the American billionaire, and John Miskelly, the Belfast-born property tycoon, but after serious consideration they are understood to have granted DIC, a subsidiary of the government-owned Dubai Holdings, due diligence, which gives them exclusive rights to study their accounts with a view to finalising a deal.
The precise details of the proposals remain unclear, with uncertainty over whether it will be a full-scale takeover or whether DIC will merely take over from Moores as majority shareholders. It is also unclear whether Moores, whose family has been part of the furniture in the Anfield boardroom for 50 years, will stay in some capacity, but there have been indications that Parry will continue as chief executive.
Unlike the Glazer family's takeover of Manchester United last year, there is no great opposition to overseas investment in Liverpool, with many supporters regarding it as an opportunity to restore the club to the glory days of the 1970s and 1980s. There were serious concerns expressed when Thaksin Shinawatra, then Prime Minister of Thailand, made a high-profile bid to invest in the club in May 2004, but they had more to do with Thailand's human rights record than with the principle of overseas ownership.
There is certain to be concern, however, within the FA Premier League, which is known to be worried by the number of its clubs that have fallen into foreign ownership. In addition to Manchester United and Chelsea, Aston Villa, Portsmouth and West Ham United are all now owned by overseas investors.
Chris Bacombe, Liverpool Echo
CHRIS BASCOMBE traces the history of missed chances and false promises over the years
IT IS appropriate that Liverpool head back to the scene of their greatest comeback today.
Off the pitch, the most lucrative deal in the club's history, with a man wealthier than Roman Abramovich, will be noted by generations to come as a fightback of equal significance.
With the clock ticking on the club's dreams of building a £180m stadium, a three-year pursuit for investment is finally on the brink of conclusion, ensuring that the Stanley Park plans proceed.
The stakes could not have been higher for the Liverpool hierarchy, with the temperature within the boardroom increasing daily.
A multi-million pound deal with one of the richest economies on the planet would represent a stunning hat-trick for chairman David Moores and chief executive Rick Parry.
Not only have they ensured that the Stanley Park stadium can be built, but the resources Rafael Benitez craves should also be available.
More significantly, the long-term financial security of Liverpool Football Club would be strengthened through an alliance with one of the richest and most stable economies on earth.
To put it into perspective, Liverpool's last strategic partnership, when Granada purchased a 9.9% stake for £21m in 1999, looks no more than a generous handshake with a Big Issue salesman in comparison to the wealth and powerof the United Arab Emirates.
And although the imminent agreement should not be compared with the Roman Abramovich takeover of Chelsea, even the Russian looks like a pauper when stood alongside the UAE royal family, who are ultimately the power behind Dubai International.
The wealth of the Emirate states is measured in trillions, not billions.
Their pockets are deep, and if a successful Liverpool Football club becomes their ambition, their financial insecurities can be consigned to history.
The first priority of the club is to safeguard the stadium plans so the Dubai group should not be seen as an Abramovich style benefactor willing to sign the cheques which will allow Benitez to make Chelsea-style bids for players.
Fans or rival clubs expecting an instant series of £20m offers for the world's top stars would be misinterpreting the deal.
But as well as helping to pay for the stadium, it would be illogical if funds were not also made available to the manager. The concerns he's expressed should be eased, if not completely eradicated.
That said, it would also be unwise for Liverpool to advertise an increased transfer kitty too publicly.
As the board said at last year's AGM, "all roads lead to investment". After hitting a cul-de-sac for so long, Liverpool can now drive forward unobstructed.
If the process concludes as well as anticipated over the next three weeks, Parry and Moores can share a glass of bubbly with a sense of relief, triumph and satisfaction of a job, eventually, well done.
The process of attracting investment has been painful, emotional and expensive.
The chairman was on the brink of resigning in public on at least two occasions, while behind the scenes he was tantalisingly close to selling part of his stake to rival Steve Morgan.
Morgan valued the club at £70m and vowed to invest millions more, but he refused to proceed with a deal which would see Moores claim 51% of his bid.
Either side of the local entrepreneur's forlorn proposal, the club flirted with some of the richest men on the planet, with Parry clocking up air miles with a prolific zeal.
The lowest point was arguably Parry's meeting with Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra in May, 2004.
When the Liverpool chief executive was pictured in Bangkok, it provoked a furious reaction from human rights campaigners, urging the Reds to steer clear of such dirty money. The meeting with US businessman RobertKraft last season was greeted more enthusiastically, but Parry's trip to America was as much a fact finding mission as arealistic bid for cash.
Kraft financed his New England Patriots American football stadium by entering a partnership with Gillette.
While the Thai and American links led to brief media hysteria, Liverpool were still no closer to securing investment.
Less publicised interest emerged from Arab countries, with the Abu Dhabi government understood to be showing their interest in late 2005, and investment groups from Saudi Arabia and Dubai increasingly linked with stadium sponsorship.
An alternative plan would see Liverpool follow the Arsenal blueprint and take a £200m loan from a variety of banks.
However, this strategy was incredibly risky, effectively mortgaging Liverpool's future based on a decade of Champions League participation.
Parry wisely advised against this from the start.
A plan to move to a new stadium was first announced in 2000, but the unpredictability of football threatened to scupper the club's plans.
When Parry confidently unveiled his vision for Liverpool's future, no fan could foresee the economic mis-fortune ahead.
Liverpool were seemingly heading in the right direction under the leadership of a visionary French manager.
Two years on, the Reds were not even in the European Cup.
Major investment in the squad was rewarded with a series of dud signings, and the manager and his back-room team eventually left at a cost of £20m.
While the team failed to raise capital, the stadium costs threatened to spiral out of control. Feasibility studies were undertaken at huge expense, while the Northwest Development Agency seemed reluctant to provide the grant.
Liverpool were urged to reopen the shared stadium debate in order to cut costs. Parry steadfastly fought against these outside pressures, maintaining his confident stance that he would deliver.
By November 2006, Belfast businessman and lifelong Liverpool fan John Miskelly appeared to be in pole position.
He valued the club at £140m, preparing to pay £4,000 a share to take control of the club. In addition, he was prepared to consider ploughing in a further £80m to underwrite stadium costs and provide manager Rafa Benitez with a transfer kitty.
Rival bidders were prepared to pay £4,400 ashare, valuing Liverpool at more than £150m.
Parry and Moores also met George Gillett Jnr, an American businessman best known as the owner of Canadian Montreal Ice Hockey team and former owner of the Harlem Globetrotters.
But Gillett also favoured are opening of the shared stadium debate with Everton, which meant Liverpool were less enthusiastic about his interest.
Parry knew his regular jaunts to the United Arab Emirates offered a regular chink of light in pursuit of investment. The Abu Dhabi government-owned Etihad Airways were close to agreeing a shirt sponsorship deal 12 months ago.
Approaches to Arab investors were increasing in frequency and it was hoped a major investment deal would be struck ahead of last year's AGM, which was deliberately delayed.
Dubai International had negotiated with Liverpool before, but chairman Moores has always been adamant he'd only sell shares to the right bidder.
After years of criticism, Parry and Moores can now justifiably argue they have delivered the goods.
With investment on the brink of being secured, a new stadium backin the realm of reality and transfer funds surely to be made available to Benitez, Liverpool fans can soon allow themselves a smile as bright as one of their chief executive's famously eccentric shirts.
DUBAI is one of seven states which make up the United Arab Emirates.
Oil was discovered there in the 1960s, but has now been replaced by tourism as the most lucrative income source.
Dubai City, located on the coast of the Persian Gulf, is growing faster than any city on earth.
The state's beaches, which stretch for 25 miles, are currently home to almost $100bn worth of development projects either underway or planned.
Dubai International Capital (DIC) was established in 2004 as the international investment arm of Dubai Holdings
QuoteUnlike the Glazer family's takeover of Manchester United last year, there is no great opposition to overseas investment in Liverpool
Typical lazy journalism. The major difference between this deal and the Glazers taking over United (apart from the huge chasm in the values of the clubs!) is that the Dubai crowd can proably afford this
Hope this is good for us.We do need the money for the new stadium and a few world class players would be nice
Handy one tonight lads what ye think? Great to be already qualified unlike Unitedscum!
Read today that Arab fella is worth more than Abramovich looks like the good times are ahead of us
Wasnt great lads but i guess from what I can read above its not all bad tonight!!!!! Fowler with two also interesting! :)
Beware of the fake sheik lads. You never know
QuoteRead today that Arab fella is worth more than Abramovich looks like the good times are ahead of us
Yes, Chelsea are the type of club Liverpool would aspire to be like. Dull, cautious, boring but who cares if we win, eh?
If this deal doesn't work out go for the reinstatement of the backpass to ensure a return to glory days.
Miaow!!
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 06, 2006, 12:48:32 PM
QuoteRead today that Arab fella is worth more than Abramovich looks like the good times are ahead of us
Yes, Chelsea are the type of club Liverpool would aspire to be like. Dull, cautious, boring but who cares if we win, eh?
If this deal doesn't work out go for the reinstatement of the backpass to ensure a return to glory days.
That backpass rule was certainly the crucial factor in Liverpool's success. They were the only team allowed to pass the ball back to the keeper, after all. ???
Haven't won the league since the rule was changed....
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 06, 2006, 01:44:29 PM
Haven't won the league since the rule was changed....
Try not to be such an idiot, you'll never be a fearon. Run along now.
Was there something factually incorrect with my statement that caused you to debase yourself by lowering yourself to petty insults?
Seanie, while the Liverpool teams of the late 70's early 80's were masters of the back pass(lawro and Hansen being the prime candidtaes) they did play devastating football going forward.The teams that won the last few championships are rightly regarded as some of the best attacking teams ever in English football, Barnes, Beardsly, Rush, Aldridge,all top-class forwards. Like any team of the era though they were able to slow games down to their own pace when it suited. I would venture that this is why Liverpool were, and still are excellent in Europe. They can slow the came down to the pace of continental teams and then break at pace. Not as much now as they used to but they certainly could do it well.
Without trying to stir things, I reckon Liverpool fans are being a bit hypocritical on the takeover issue. I know several of them who have lambasted Chelsea for the money they have spent, accusing them of buying the title etc. Some of them actually want United to win the league due to this fact. Then all of a sudden a rich investor from abraad comes in and their tune changes. Now of course they reckon it is essential to spend scandalous ammounts of money to compete in todays market.
I am quite surprised a club with such a rich history as Liverpool have decided to go down the same route as a club who are growing more unpopular by the day.
CHELSKIS UNPOPULARITY IS PROB DUE TO THEIR MANAGER THINKING HES KING OF THE HILL AND NEVER WRONG,THATS WHAT FUCKS ME OFF BOT THEM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on December 06, 2006, 03:08:10 PM
CHELSKIS UNPOPULARITY IS PROB DUE TO THEIR MANAGER THINKING HES KING OF THE HILL AND NEVER WRONG,THATS WHAT FUCKS ME OFF BOT THEM
Completely agree with ya Charlie as a club i have nothing against Chelsea and as the season is already over for us i hope Chelsea win the league coz i couldn't bear Man United winning it
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 06, 2006, 12:48:32 PM
QuoteRead today that Arab fella is worth more than Abramovich looks like the good times are ahead of us
Yes, Chelsea are the type of club Liverpool would aspire to be like. Dull, cautious, boring but who cares if we win, eh?
If this deal doesn't work out go for the reinstatement of the backpass to ensure a return to glory days.
Do you realise what shite your talking?
Chelsea are not a dull boring team and anyone who watched them against Barcelona ,Man United or even against Bolton would see that as for the comment about the backpass rule just look at bingobus's reply and i second that
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 06, 2006, 01:44:29 PM
Haven't won the league since the rule was changed....
So it follows that the change in the back-pass rule is the cause? Does that mean that Liverpool would have continued at the top if the back-pass hadn't been abolished?
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 06, 2006, 02:17:31 PM
Without trying to stir things, I reckon Liverpool fans are being a bit hypocritical on the takeover issue. I know several of them who have lambasted Chelsea for the money they have spent, accusing them of buying the title etc. Some of them actually want United to win the league due to this fact. Then all of a sudden a rich investor from abraad comes in and their tune changes. Now of course they reckon it is essential to spend scandalous ammounts of money to compete in todays market.
I am quite surprised a club with such a rich history as Liverpool have decided to go down the same route as a club who are growing more unpopular by the day.
This is certainly a difficult issue, and I would find it a little hollow if Liverpool do what Chelsea (and AC Milan before them) do and buy the title by outbidding everyone else for players. However, the choice is either accept a future as a second-tier team, or attempt to compete with Chelsea and United.
The ould back pass one really gets them going. Peach.
fulham up next should be a home win, wonder if the growler will start after getting 2 during week.bellamy seems b running into form
Would love to see Fowler get a run don't think it will happen though it will be Kuyt and Bellamy i'd say
wud say thatl be the combo meself.think dat rafas 1st choice
Anyway lads who de ye fancy for the last 16 in the CL?
A choice from
Barcelona
Inter Milan
Roma
Real Madrid
Celtic
Porto
Lille
Have to say Celtic, Porto or Lille are probably the three you'd like to draw.
Wouldn't mind a game against Real Madrid though. Haven't played them in ages. We have a good record against Roma too.
Too be honest i don't mind who we get as i think with the way we play and how good Benitez is in Europe i think we could beat any of them
when is the draw?
Friday 15th december. Lots of big teams there, I hope we draw Madrid as well would be nice to beat the merengues
0-0 half time against Fulham we should be 2 or 3 up
PENALTY!!!!!!!!!!
Saved but Gerrard scores on the rebound 1-0 Liverpool
2-0 Jamie Carrarager :o :o :o first goal since 1999!!!!
Garcia 3-0 easy easy easy ;D ;D
Gonzalez 4-0...... Full time
Happy days, great win for the lads. Just what the doctor ordered. With our run of games coming up we should be able to cement our place in the top 4. Is been quite a while since we last conceded in the premiership as well. Apart from the arse game i think its about 8 games
4 goals in first half last week 4 in the second this week can't complain ;D
Nice free from Gonzalez and very easy in the end. As usual, the first goal is the vital one in Liverpool's home games. Had Fulham scored it, or had Liverpool not won the penalty when they did, it could have been another frustrating afternoon. Good to see Carragher score! He anticipated the flick-on very well and finished it nicely at the back post.
P.S. Tell Gerrard not to take penalties! He's nearly as bad as Owen was!
Good result, and nice to move up into 4th, although it still is not that fluid. Fulham were woeful.
I though Carra scored in the Champions league a couple of seasons ago? Must be his first league goal since 99.
Finnan was good today. Our own Mr. Consistancy.
Good win today but just say this billionaire takes over who out of todays team would survive if we start spending big and clearing out some dead weight?
For me it be Agger Gerrard Carragher Alonso and Kuyt think the rest of them inc Fowler,Crouch,Bellamy,Pennant,Finnan,Garcia etc could and should be worried
Any thoughts?
Its hard to know who will come in and who will leave. I thought at the start of the season we definitely had a squad capable of competing for the title but it just has happened. Reina has found his form of late (this goes for the entire defence) and you can't argue with the mans record. Finnan has been great over the last few seasons so would say he is another keeper. Agger looks absolute quality and alongside Carra they have the potential to be mentioned in the same breath as Hansen and Lawro. Riise has been a loyal servant whether at left back or in midfield. However when he's up against a quality winger he can be caught out. Mid-week against Galatasary being an example. Gerrard, Alonso and Sissoko speak for themselves, its just hard gettin all 3 into the team. Up front although its early days Kuyt looks a class act and Bellamy has shown the form we know he can produce over the last few weeks. Jury is still out on Gonzales. he has got the pace to frighten any defence, i reckon (and I hope) he just needs time to settle (as most foreigners do).
So to conclude I would retain Reina, Carson, Finan, Agger, Carra, Hyppia (got another season in him), Riise (good back up), Gerrard. Sissoko, Alonso, Kuyt, Bellamy
The maybe's would be Garcia, Gonzales, Kewell (displayed good form last year), Fowler(just because he's God), Crouch
Out would go Dudek, Pennant (failed on the big stage), Zenden, Aurelio (doesn't seem up to it although I would love to be proved wrong as he has the sweetest left foot).
In i would go for Simao (rips ushited to shreads), SWP or Joaquin, Alves or Nelson (Benfica) for right back, Bridge or Lahm for left back, a quality left sided midfielder (Van der vaart, Victor ??), and up front some one with pace like Defoe, Bent or equivalent. Also possibly cover for centre mid, some strong defensive midfielder
Another 3 points should be ours tomorrow Charlton not going great at moment maybe a chance for Fowler up front??
doubtful,id say he will maybe start with last weeks team 4 a shock
barca in cl any thoughts.daunting prospect though benetiz will have homework done and wud imagine had half decent record against them prev
Barcelona are in good form at the minute. Ronaldinho is showing more of what he can do. they won 4-0 win over Club America in the final of Fifa's Club World Championship.
Benitez will relish the prospect though. I'm glad we got the fixture. We can be a horrible enough team to play against. Europe's the stage for us anyway. sure we're knockout specialists!!!
It doesn't get much easier than that away from home, especially at a place where Liverpool have a very mediocre record. Charlton look finished. Some shocking mistakes from them at times.
Liverpool should've had a few more, but three goals and another clean sheet is fine by me!
Had a tenner on 3-0 not bad 110 bones!!! :o
just seen game on match of the day,in all honesty it could have been 8-3
Good to see poor Djimi Traore hasn't changed one bit ;D
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 17, 2006, 07:39:35 PM
Djimi was unlucky for the penalty, I think he was very wound up from the start and the challenge that led to the penalty was a result of this, there was no malice in the challenge. I always like Djimi, he had an outstanding champions league final and for that I think we all owe him one. Great clearance from Pennants shot.
Almost a good set of results for us today. United lost, but sadly Chelski sneaked a win. I hate to say it but they look good. Plenty of fight.
I think you're being rather generous in your evaluation of Djimi's Champions League final performance. He dove in to give away the free from which Maldini scored in the first minute. He got caught out (as did the rest of the defence) by the criss-cross runs that lead to the second goal. He nearly gave away a goal early in the second when he miscontrolled a simple five yard pass, allowing Kaka to run at Hyypia and win a free on the edge of the box, which Dudek saved from Shevchenko, just before Gerrard scored. Yes, he made a couple of clearances and played well after that, but overall, it wasn't great stuff from him.
He certainly has some very strong aspects to his game, such as his speed and tackling, but I don't think he has the head to play for a top-level team. He makes too many simple errors of judgement and technique, and often cannot complete a short pass. For example, why the hell didn't he just clear the ball with his head in the penalty incident? Pennant was never going to beat him in the air.
On today's game, they're irrelevant as far as Liverpool are concerned. As a Liverpool fan, Chelsea are certainly the lesser of two evils, in that United are our greatest rivals, but I think that is about the extent of Liverpool's interest in the top two, barring some dramatic collapse by both, which is not going to happen.
Too be honest Djimi would be in my top 5 of all time worst Liverpool players.I remember watching a match a couple of years ago where after making a good few mistakes Gerrard actually went over and took the ball of Djimi as he atempted a clearance,He was at fault for two of the 3 goals against Milan and let us never forget the own goal in the FA Cup match against Burnley
Always felt sorry for the chap as he tried his heart out but really the fella was awful and not up too the standard Liverpool needed
some of the things djimi done on saturday were brutal. what was he thinking with that tackle for the penalty. He did have a few good moments though.
good to see Stevie keeping the form. Glad he got the goal, especially after the reports from his autobiography
tonights game in doubt - pitch inspection at the minute - fog at Anfield
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Should be another handy 3 points tomorrow lads. Be nice to get christmas period off to a good start
Team for today:
Reina
Finan, Carra, Agger, Riise
Pennant, Gerrard, Alonso, Garcia
Kuyt, Bellamy
1-0 Bellamy ;D
Quote from: laoislad on December 23, 2006, 04:19:00 PM
1-0 Bellamy ;D
Awful game though. Watford don't make it easy. Hopefully Liverpool will get another before the end as Watford push up a bit.
Awful game though. Watford don't make it easy. Hopefully Liverpool will get another before the end as Watford push up a bit.
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where you watching it?
Quote from: laoislad on December 23, 2006, 04:25:51 PM
Awful game though. Watford don't make it easy. Hopefully Liverpool will get another before the end as Watford push up a bit.
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where you watching it?
Its the live match on the Fox Soccer Channel in the US. Most of the big English games are available on the internet as well - the lack of broadband in Ireland might be an impediment in that respect though.
Bellamy just missed a sitter when clean through!
I have broadband do you know any website where i might get it or games in the future?
Quote from: laoislad on December 23, 2006, 04:33:07 PM
I have broadband do you know any website where i might get it or games in the future?
Get them here: http://www.myp2p.eu/Saturday.htm. You'll have to download programmes such as PPMate, PPLive or whichever to watch them.
The Liverpool game is available here http://www.myp2p.eu/Matches/Match2.htm at the moment.
Keeper just denied Carragher another goal for the decade with a great save!
Crouch just hit the post from the edge of the box...
2-0!
Screamer from Alonso - whipped it into the top corner from 25 yards!
GREAT STUFF ;D
Tried downloading those programs and got the game but it keeps stoping and starting
Quote from: laoislad on December 23, 2006, 04:51:05 PM
GREAT STUFF ;D
Tried downloading those programs and got the game but it keeps stoping and starting
Some days the streams aren't great, other days they're excellent. You're better off trying a few of them to get a good one. Not all are in English though!
2-0 final score.
Seven clean sheets in a row.
Seven clean sheets in a row is great.Isn't it a pity we threw away points at start of season
On this form we'll give Barca a right bash
Quote from: laoislad on December 23, 2006, 05:06:13 PM
Seven clean sheets in a row is great.Isn't it a pity we threw away points at start of season
On this form we'll give Barca a right bash
Hopefully. However, the fixture list has been relatively kind of late, whereas it wasn't earlier in the season. The next two or three weeks will tell a lot: Blackburn away, Bolton at home, Arsenal in the cup.
Should be beating Blackburn and Bolton...Arsenal in cup gonna be tough
Which would you rather lads beating Arsenal in FA Cup or Carling Cup? consider now of course if we win in Carling cup we're only one step away from Wembly
Makes you wonder why we couldn't have started the season like this? Even if we were within 6 or 7 points of the top two we'd still be in with a shout but we let the gap get too big unfortunately.
Its been happining last few years though hasn't it,we start awful then go on a great run till end of season
Think we are gonna have to settle for 3rd this year and maybe hopefully one or more of the Cups..Then bring on the Arabs Billions ;D
Agreed 5ive times but the likes of Wigan nearly got a draw out of Chelsea today and United have been up against it with lesser teams too(west ham) so you can only beat whats put in front of you,Don't think Everton will hammer us when we meet at Anfield like they did in first match
We are on the right track so hopefully we'll get our Champions League spot and make good signings.The Pools future does look good though you'd have to admit
Very Bad result yesterday we were awful in second half,Really think Fowler should be given a chance now
Probably right, laoislad, Kuyt is a hard worker but is not a natural goalscorer.
There's not enough goals in the team from midfield as well as the forwards. I think Gonzalez has been poor and is struggling to adapt to the premiership.
Tough one enough today..On paper we are far better but the season is a bit up and down so far so i reckon a draw would be a good result today
Whats the story with Fowler not getting a game.he's not even on the feckin bench...and who is 40 Martin?
1-0 Garcia!!!
1-0 great result
hehe, 3-0 over Bolton, first ime we've beaten them soundly in a long time. We looked decent today, played good football and mixed it physically when we had to. Having a semo settled team helps I think, Kuyt did well again i thought
Yeah i agree great win today Kuyt is a great player
Wonder what signings if any we will get this month..Ive heard Upson,David Villa,Lucas Neill just too name a few
Do we really need Neill - I thought Finnan was doing a good job at the minute. Might be a few other going out the other end, mind you.
Don't think we need Neil...Anytime i see him play he either gives away penos or gets sent off i don't really rate him...Is it true Cisse could still play for Liverpool?
Great performance in the second half by Liverpool. They played some of the best attacking football i've seen from them in a while. An to do it against Bolton who are so hard to break down normally is quite a result. Kuyt is proving to be a very important buy for us!! Works very hard and is very unselfish with his distrubution.
Pennant finally put in a good game, but he needs to start doing this week in week out to justify him staying!! Too unreliable at the minute.
The defence is beginning to find form again as well. Carragher is getting back to his best and even Hypia, who i had my doubts about at the start of the year, is playing well.
Just a real pity we mucked thing up so badly at the start of the year as both Cheski and United have dropped points in the last wee while!!
got a great dvd at christmas.. 100 greatest moments of the kop.Brings back some great memories
I too agree that Neil is not a excellent buy but at one million and acting purely as cover to Finnan, i think it could be a shrewd move. I read during the week that Newcastle were prepared to pay £12 million for Crouch, yes please if it paves the way for Villa (a distant chance i believe).
On yesterdays match the second half showed us at our best. Pennant is slowly but surely justifying the money tag. He is our first natural winger in a while who will get cross after cross in. If Crouch could head we would be laughing.
That's the problem, for such a big fella he's always going to get plenty of chances with his head. Unfortunately he hasn't a clue how to head the ball!! If you ask me he's better with the ball to feet than he is in the air!! The misses against Blackburn were terrible!! It would be like Newcastle to offer £12 million for him alright!! And if they did i'd bite their hand of for it!!
Newcastle is a graveyard for decent players!!
I actually like Crouch i think he is one of the few decent genuine players left,but i agree with what everyone is saying.he has so much to his game but lacks a awful lot he really isn't a Liverpool type of player,.but in fairness great goal yesterday
By the way is it true Cisse can play?is he only loaned out?
Cisse is loaned to Marseille, but with a view to a permanent deal. But lets not go there eh? Cisse is a busted flush.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I would prefer there were minimal, or no, transfer deals done this January and even in the Summer. It takes a while to bed players in, and barring someone exceptional becomes available, and LFC have the money to do a deal, I say leave it so. Let's not go down the path of buying 3 or 4 more lads who take time to bed in, without adding anything major anyway.
If you look at LFC on paper this season as opposed to last, they are a better team and squad. But players need time to learn about each other, the manager, the environment etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love the money and the chance to buy a world class Striker and a couple of fantastic wingers, but that's unlikely to happen in fairness. As such, lets just see how this season ends and next season begins, and enough of the buying of decent squad players.
If Liverpool are offered 12m for Crouch you have to let him go. He will never be a regular scorer of goals. The misses against Blackburn had me tearing my hair out. Most telling of all was the miss at the end of the Bolton game, Crough just has to be scoring headers from 6 yards out. We will finish 3rd at a canter I'd say, lose to Barca and go on a run in the cup (after beating Arsenal). I wouldn't splash the cash now but I would go for quality in the summer if DIC put up the cash, buy two or three 15-20m players, the type of player Liverpool can't afford now. Anyone know when Momo is back?
when is the Carling Cup match with Arsenal
FA Cup is on Saturday
Carling Cup is on Tuesday night
David Villa was in the directors box at Anfield yesterday
RTK: A RECLAIM THE KOP POEM
Paul Jones, RTK 02 January 2007
Following on from yesterday's official launch of the campaign to 'Reclaim The Kop', here's the first of many poems we'll be publishing over the next ten weeks.
Some of you just may have heard, about the RTK
Then some of you may not have yet, so it's time to have our say
RTK, just 3 letters, but means a thousand things
From banners, flags and attitude, to all the songs we sing
It's all about the spirit, the spirit of the Kop
Reclaim our terrace culture, that put us at the top
Most knowledgeable fans throughout the world is how we once were known
But is that a reputation that we have now outgrown?
I'd like to think it wasn't, that we still show respect
Sing songs different to all the rest, that's how it should be kept
No Great Escape or Easy chants, that's not how we are seen
Leave all that stuff to the ones that follow the national team
Away fans stand and sing all game, ours sit there in a bore
Then as one the muppets rise, "You're not singing anymore"
The irony is lost on them, new fans all seem the same
Mocking those that sing while they've sat silent through the game
If they sing anti-scouse songs, it's rude to laugh along
Remember who you're sitting with, it's just another song
The same old tired insults, original ones are rare
Sing something sharp back at them, don't just sit and stare
Our nation is called Liverpool, we belong in no other place
But the shrine we know as Anfield, and Liverpool is our race
Black or white, man or women, we all stand as one
To support our club the way we know, as fans we've always shone
We clap the other goalie, applaud the better side
We're not just bums on seats you know, not just here for the ride
We have a reputation, traditions we have earnt
But some fans turn a blind eye, it's about time they learnt
What Liverpool fans all stand for, and why we're so concerned
We don't throw away the standing, that older Kopites earned
As our chairman once announced, the clubs exists in his hands
"Only to win trophies and be a source of pride for its fans"
The fans are the heartbeat, we all have our role
To maintain the spirit and keep Liverpool's soul
It's not just a game, or a day out with the wife
Supporting our club is part of our life
Respect the Reds that stood before, and passed the mantle on
It's up to us to make them proud, as Liverpool we're one
In '89 we lost our friends, it's time to sing out loud
Reclaim The Kop where they once stood and make our Anfield proud!
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F*cks sake, they were awful. Why would anyone buy them? And every time I see that flecky abomination I think of Glen Hysen!!
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 03, 2007, 02:16:34 PM
F*cks sake, they were awful. Why would anyone buy them? And every time I see that flecky abomination I think of Glen Hysen!!
Even worse, Torben Piecnik!
The late 80s/early 90s certainly was the nadir of soccer gear design!
Glen Hysen was quality AZ - I hope you aren't saying something otherwise
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2007, 02:20:25 PM
Glen Hysen was quality AZ - I hope you aren't saying something otherwise
He certainly was very highly rated when he Liverpool signed him. Maybe he just fell victim to the overall decline in the club after Hillsborough.
He was part of the team that won our last league title. Then Kenny quit and Sou ............. well, Sou know the rest.
See what I did there? ;D ;D
Don't forget the legend that was Nicky Tanner lads! That Cabdy jersey always reminds me of "hit the crossbar" Rosenthal.
Hurl is it likely that Crouch will go to finance the move for Villa. have to say I would like to see Villa coming or Torres but it is tough on Crouchie, and to go to the striker's graveyard, sorry for him if it happens.
Lads just a query, what is Benitez's mentality when it comes to Crouch, he couldn't hit a barn door for weeks and weeks when he signed and was consistantly starting games, yet from about April last year he has been England no 1 striker by a mile, the goals he scored at the start of the season were great but Benitez has reverted him to a last 10 mins player. Maybe i've missed a dip in form (not a big pool fan) i don't know? but it just seems a weird one to me. I know Bellamy has come in but he has hardly set the scoring charts alight
Quote from: Spiritof98 on January 03, 2007, 06:15:56 PM
Lads just a query, what is Benitez's mentality when it comes to Crouch, he couldn't hit a barn door for weeks and weeks when he signed and was consistantly starting games, yet from about April last year he has been England no 1 striker by a mile, the goals he scored at the start of the season were great but Benitez has reverted him to a last 10 mins player. Maybe i've missed a dip in form (not a big pool fan) i don't know? but it just seems a weird one to me. I know Bellamy has come in but he has hardly set the scoring charts alight
Bellamy's been playing quite well though, and has got a few in the past few weeks. I think Benitez has concluded that the Bellamy-Kuyt partnership is the best one for the team.
The big test is going to come when Sissoko returns. What happens with Gerrard then.
http://www.reclaimthekop.co.uk/cgi-bin/main.pl?action=campaign_news&nid=7
RTK Truth Day - Liverpool vs Arsenal
Banners, Mosaic, Chants
"THE TRUTH" - MOSAIC FOR 6 MINUTES
On 15th April 1989, tens of thousands of us set off to support our beloved Redmen in the semi-final of the world's oldest and greatest football knockout competition - the F.A Cup. 96 of us never returned, crushed to death inside Hillsborough stadium - an unspeakable tragedy which we, as Liverpudlians, will never forget. The memory of loved ones who never came home lives on in the eternal flame that now burns alongside the iconic Liverbird as the enduring symbol of Liverpool Football Club.
Very recently, the memory of those loved ones was once again desecrated by Kelvin Mackenzie, the despicable former editor of low-life gutter rag The Sun. This man is almost beyond contempt - but not quite. Not only does he disrespect the grief of families still at a loss to come to terms with the events of 15/4/89, he denigrates the city and the people of Liverpool. He is our enemy - he has made himself so.
He also besmirches the history and tradition of the fabled F.A Cup. In showing our wholehearted revulsion towards this wretch and his supporters, every F.A Cup tie involving Liverpool F.C is designated Truth Day. Starting with Saturday's tie against Arsenal, the first 6 minutes of every F.A Cup tie will commemorate the Hillsborough 96, their families, and the ongoing plight for Justice. For 6 minutes, raise the roof with songs for the 96, songs of Truth - and songs of unrestrained disgust at Mackenzie, shameless perpetrator of shabby lies.
Saturday 6th January will be an official RTK flag day – Any JUSTICE banners and flags you have, bring them! Any banners at all (KFS compliant), bring them! The game is live on the BBC and the perfect opportunity to raise awareness of the fight for Justice, as well and letting the world know we're still the greatest fans about. It's time to make ourselves seen and time to make ourselves heard.
A flyer campaign will be in operation on the day of the game, highlighting the plans for the 6 MINUTES FOR THE 96. A banner will be held aloft at the front of the Kop for the first 6 minutes of the game, non-stop songs of Justice for the 96 until the banner is dropped. The perfect start to maintaining an eye opening atmosphere for the rest of the game.
The RTK have also arranged for a crowd mosaic in The Kop. Reading THE TRUTH we are going for maximum impact. Remember the BBC - recent employers of MacKenzie - are showing the game live. We ask all Kopites to hold the mosiac up for the whole duration of the 6 munite protest. Your view may be slightly impaired but please remember who you are doing this for.
We will require your help to lay out the mosaic on Saturday morning. Anybody that can lend a hand, please make their way to Shankly Gates for 10am on Saturday. If you think you'll be able to help please register your interest on the forum. It's expected to last around 1-2 hours. We also require volunteers to hand out flyers on Saturday. Again, if you can make it please meet outside the Arkles pub at 3pm.
DON'T BUY THE SUN. JUSTICE FOR THE 96!
RTK THE 96 - Bring your banners!
Not looking good for Liverpool at half time. The first goal from Rosicky was just a class strike, but what kind of defending was that for the second one? Gerrard won't enjoy looking at either.
Arsenal can just continue to sit back and play on the break now, so I can't see Liverpool clawing this back. Arsenal could easily get another too.
I thought Alonso should have had a penalty. Definitely looked like contact to me.
3-1 Arsenal jaysis Dudek had nothing to do in 2nd half and Henry still scores in fairness Henry is just pure class great goal
Champions League here we come :-[ :-[
Just as I wasn't going to get carried away with the recent run of results against crap teams, I don't think all is suddenly doom and gloom again after today. It was just a bad overall performance, with some shocking defending thrown in. The second and third Arsenal goals were ridiculous. Three or four players had chances to get tackles in on Rosicky in the lead up to the second, whereas there isn't much to say about Carragher's mistake for the third. Given their second-half dominance, Liverpool could easily have got something, but Arsenal defended very solidly on the night, and Liverpool can have no complaints. Anyway, results away to Watford and home to Chelsea (far from a certainty obviously) will wipe this away pretty quickly. That Liverpool need the Dubai money to bring in a few top class players is hardly news. The main thing for this season is a Champions League spot, which should be easily attainable, given the competition.
I hope Benitez sends the reserves out on Tuesday. Give the likes of Fowler, Palletta, Warnock and some of the young lads a run. Dudek could use the practice too. I doubt if Wenger will be fielding a strong team.
Liverpool were one dimensional and never looked like scoring from open play. Aside from a 10 minute spell after the Liverpool goal Arsenal were always in control.
You might reclaim the Kop but you won't be reclaiming the league title with that side any time soon.... ;)
QuoteGive the likes of Fowler, Palletta, Warnock
Is Warnock not at Wolves on loan? Or is that Potter?
I take it there will be a lot of critical remarks about Alonso's dive? Thought Liverpool were poor today, and carried little threat. The 2nd and 3rd goals were poor defending, but do you not think Dudek was flat footed for the first too?
It was the FA Cup tonight Dinny so no need for comments on the premiership and Arsenal are way off re claiming the Premiership too
As for tonight the defending was awful,Don't think Arsenal were all that good either and if that 3rd hadn't gone in Liverpool were on for a 2nd but as good as a goal it was by Henry he should never been allowed in with the ball,but sure how many times has Carrargher saved us in the past so really it's not fair just to blame him
Really for all the ball we had we didn't create enough clear cut chances thought Bellamy would have been brought on around the hour mark
So the FA Cup is gone now so whats next?
2nd or 3rd in league and Champions League...Carling Cup i suppose is a trophy but not what a club of Liverpools stature should be bothered with but if we were to get Chelsea in final it be worth winning i suppose
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 06, 2007, 07:35:19 PM
Liverpool were one dimensional and never looked like scoring from open play. Aside from a 10 minute spell after the Liverpool goal Arsenal were always in control.
You might reclaim the Kop but you won't be reclaiming the league title with that side any time soon.... ;)
Whereas Arsenal are powering ahead with the rebuilding of their title challenge... ;)
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 06, 2007, 07:37:17 PM
QuoteGive the likes of Fowler, Palletta, Warnock
Is Warnock not at Wolves on loan? Or is that Potter?
I take it there will be a lot of critical remarks about Alonso's dive? Thought Liverpool were poor today, and carried little threat. The 2nd and 3rd goals were poor defending, but do you not think Dudek was flat footed for the first too?
Was it a dive? I watched it on an internet stream, so I haven't seen any detailed replays. Looked like contact to me, but I stand to be corrected. If it was a dive, then the card was deserved. Its not as if he is someone who does that every week.
Dudek probably should have done better for the first, but he's hardly played in the past year, so you can't be too hard on him.
QuoteIt was the FA Cup tonight Dinny so no need for comments on the premiership and Arsenal are way off re claiming the Premiership
It was a tongue in cheek comment, hence the wink. Both Liverpool's squad as Arsenal's are currently not good enough however Arsenal can live with and beat the top sides away and home wins over Liverpool, away win over Manure and away draw to the Russians, Liverpool imho lack quality up front Arsenal are too young to cope with physical football at the mo' but will come good in the next two years.
There was contact on Alsonso but he brought his trailing right foot across to hit Silva, seen them given but the ref was perfectly positoned and wasn't codded. Not a blatent dive though imho..
Anyone shed any light on why there was a 6 minute protest at the start of the match?
Just read the previous page and found my answer ::)
QuoteAnyone shed any light on why there was a 6 minute protest at the start of the match?
check gabriel Hurls last post on the previous page..
The protest was a credit to Liverpool fans everywhere, a touching moment I tought, the BBC did their best not to mention as well...
What a shite performance. What on earth was Dudek doing out there? He looked yards off the pace. Reina I feel would have saved at least 2 of the 3 goals. If he wanted to rest Reina why not do it in the Carling Cup game instead? The defending was atrocious as well for nearly all the Arsenal goals. Real gifts.
Well done to the fans on the protest. Came across fantastic.
QuoteI take it there will be a lot of critical remarks about Alonso's dive?
Considering there was clear contact I don't think he should even have been booked.
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What do you think of this rumour lads
The reason Craig Bellamy wasn't used last night is beacuse Rafa didn't want to cup tie him as he is planning to sell him to Aston Villa in order to finance money to buy Darren Bent from Charlton
What ye think could it be true?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 06, 2007, 08:55:41 PM
What a shite performance. What on earth was Dudek doing out there? He looked yards off the pace. Reina I feel would have saved at least 2 of the 3 goals. If he wanted to rest Reina why not do it in the Carling Cup game instead? The defending was atrocious as well for nearly all the Arsenal goals. Real gifts.
Well done to the fans on the protest. Came across fantastic.
QuoteI take it there will be a lot of critical remarks about Alonso's dive?
Considering there was clear contact I don't think he should even have been booked.
http://homepage.mac.com/rob.cozens/LFC/iMovieTheater23.html
when i click on the link it opens as an e-mail, haven't see the incident so cant comment
Terrible performance. Never really looked like causing a threat. Thought Garcia, Crouch, Pennant were all crap!! I would clear these out for a start. As i said before if Newcastle were stupid enough to offer 12 M for Crouch them liverpool should bite their hand of. When he plays for liverpool we become one dimensional like Dinny says!! Lofting a long ball in to a big target man!!
Kuyt to me still looks like he'll be a great signing!! Works his ass of and has great control on the ground.
Ref the Alonso booking. If def wasn't a booking as there was contact but whether or not it was a penalty i'm not sure. Ref should have just played on as i felt the card was harsh.
Henry did feck all for so long and then makes just one chance and puts it away!! He'll be back to his best in no time unfortunately!!
What was the protest about and more importantly what is it supposed to achieve? Its not clear to me.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2007, 12:40:06 PM
What was the protest about and more importantly what is it supposed to achieve? Its not clear to me.
I think there are still journalists and others out there who maintain that the Liverpool fans were to blame for Hillsborough.
I think it was more that they reckon Liverpool fans stole wallets from the dead lying on the pitch,it was reported in The Sun newspaper at the time and i don't think The Sun ever withdrew the comments
Kelvin McKenzie who was editor of the Sun made very hurtful and scurrelous remarks in the immediate aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster regarding the alleged behaviour of Liverpool fans.
In recent years he subsequently withdrew his remarks but just within the last few weeks he has stated that his apology was false and that he now stands by all that was written.
This is what the 6 minute protest was about (the length the game lasted)
Was listening to Alan Green's commentary on Radio 5 Live and he was very fervent in his approval of what the Liverpool fans were doing.
He more or less said "I was there that day and have a fair enough picture of what exactly happened".
He was very scathing on McKenzie and his disgraceful turnaround.
Quote from: laoislad on January 08, 2007, 01:04:47 PM
I think it was more that they reckon Liverpool fans stole wallets from the dead lying on the pitch,it was reported in The Sun newspaper at the time and i don't think The Sun ever withdrew the comments
Of course, but the Sun article at the time, titled "The Truth" also alleged that drunk fans without tickets caused the crush by trying to force their way into the stand past the cops. I think there was a lot of anger over the past few weeks because Kelvin McKenzie recently claimed that he only retracted the allegations under pressure from above.
And the reason for the protest being held yesterday specifically is that the BBC has recently employed McKenzie to work on a number of programmes for them. It was as much a protest against the BBC as McKenzie.
QuoteOf course, but the Sun article at the time, titled "The Truth" also alleged that drunk fans without tickets caused the crush by trying to force their way into the stand past the cops.
I don;t want to barge in on a very emotive issue, but was this not the case? I was speaking to someone at the game a few years back and they said the crush outside from ticketless fans was severe, that they HAD to open the gate outside. Not too sure if he said they were drunk or not.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 08, 2007, 01:57:42 PM
QuoteOf course, but the Sun article at the time, titled "The Truth" also alleged that drunk fans without tickets caused the crush by trying to force their way into the stand past the cops.
I don;t want to barge in on a very emotive issue, but was this not the case? I was speaking to someone at the game a few years back and they said the crush outside from ticketless fans was severe, that they HAD to open the gate outside. Not too sure if he said they were drunk or not.
There was a hold range of problems that led to the tragedy. Firstly Liverpool fans were given the smaller Leppings Lane end of the ground even though they had a much bigger support than Notts Forest. Many Liverpool fans arrived late due to traffic problems and poor directions leading to the stadium. The gates were opened and the fans were coralled by the police into two small central pens while there was plenty of space in the pens to either side of them. Fans entering at the rear had no idea that fans at the very front were being crushed up against the wire fence. Police thought for a while that it was a pitch invasion and tried to keep the fans inside the wire fence rather than trying to help them out. The fans were no more drunk than any set of fans arriving at any stadium for a match.
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What ever happened these people lost there lives and thats the important thing to remember
If only one had died it would have been one too many
Spot on Laoislad!!!
QuoteI don;t want to barge in on a very emotive issue, but was this not the case? I was speaking to someone at the game a few years back and they said the crush outside from ticketless fans was severe, that they HAD to open the gate outside. Not too sure if he said they were drunk or not.
Unfortunately many people are still of that opinion, ignoring the fact that the Taylor report places the blame squarely on the shoulders of the police and others in charge of managing supporters that day.
To try and briefly highlight a few of the facts of the day;
There were approx 24,500 Liverpool fans with tickets that day, and due to the peculiar segregation requirements of an FA Cup semi final (ground split approx 50:50), there were 23 turnstiles available for those fans, which could have been managable if it were not for the fact that most of the coaches were held up by police searches and road works, meaning a large number arrived at the same time.
When these fans made their way to the stadium they joined other queuing fans who were being further delayed by police searches at the stadium gates. There were only 3 gates, leading to 10 turnstiles for the 10,000 fans going to the Leppings Lane terracing, with the police carrying out searches at these gates. With the supporters seated in the West Stand also using these gates, an inevitable bottleneck was created, exascurbated by the stream of fans arriving off delayed coaches.
As you can imagine in such a scenario, a sense of panic spread amongst the crowd, which surely wasn't helped by the fact that kick off was fast approaching. At this point a police officer who saw what was happening requested that the kick off be delayed to ease the panic and allow fans to get in safely. This request was denied. A request was then made for an exit gate to be opened to ease the congestion, this was also denied.
With the build up of fans joining those already queuing in a narrow entry, the natural momentum of the fans created a crush at the turnstiles. Officers again asked for a gate to be opened, and after hesitation it was eventually agreed.
The terracing was split into pens, and the entrance tunnel to the two central pens, 3 & 4, was directly opposite the gate that had been opened. Normally when these pens are filled, police close the tunnel and direct fans to the pens on either side.
There were no police to stop fans going down that central tunnel that day, so when the gate was opened, hundreds of fans were forced down that tunnel into already full pens.
If you ever see aerial photos of the Leppings Lane that day, you can't help but notice the empty spaces at each side of the terracing.
When the first people started to spill onto the track, dog handlers were called in to keep them behind the fences.
Of course some fans were drinking that day, just as some fans drink at every match, but for people to still trot out the excuse that drunken fans stampeded into the stadium is a disgrace given the volume of evidence, eyewitness accounts and a Lord Chief Justice's report that are all readily available for anyone who wants to know the truth.
If you want to educate yourself, spend 10 minute here www.contrast.org/hillsborough (http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough)
watched pool and arsenal on sat thought the "protest" was interesting but can somebody fill me in what this mckenzie fella is supposed to have done wrong? is he to be villified for just doing his editorial job? typical liverpool fan attitude, blame somebody else.
Quote from: two man tackle on January 08, 2007, 08:34:55 PM
watched pool and arsenal on sat thought the "protest" was interesting but can somebody fill me in what this mckenzie fella is supposed to have done wrong? is he to be villified for just doing his editorial job? typical liverpool fan attitude, blame somebody else.
Maybe you should read up on it (try the previous posts in this thread for a start) a bit before coming out with your idiotic "typical Liverpool fan" shite.
Don't mind him or rise to him J70 he has 14 posts and nearly every one has been trying to cause a row
Wonder will Dudek keep his place tonight lads?
Surely God will get a run out?
Quote from: laoislad on January 09, 2007, 05:15:33 PM
Wonder will Dudek keep his place tonight lads?
Surely God will get a run out?
Apparently Dudek was promised a start in all domestic cup games, so I would assume he will.
Fowler should get a start too, although Benitez sounded like he was leaning towards full strength after Saturday's debacle.
I'd imagine Arsenal will rest quite a few players though.
Dudek,Peltier,Paletta,Hyypia,Warnok,Gonzalez,Gerrard,Guthrie,Aurelio,Fowler,Bellamy
Tonights team v Arsenal...Not that strong is it?
1-1 after 35 mins
suspected fractured tibia for gonzalez
4-1 down not even half time...
Half time Liverpool 1-4 Arsenal
What the f**k is going on?
40/1 to win outright in 2nd half now 12/1 to qualify for next round
Remember Istanbul i always regret not putting money on them then gonna do it now 12/1 looks alright it's worth the tenner
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 09, 2007, 08:50:04 PM
Save your money, put it on Laois to win the All-Ireland :)
Laois and Liverpool Im really blessed when it comes to my teams arent I :-[
Disaster.Confidence is low. Barcelona looks a little daunting.
At least Fowler knows where the net is- and that is without a run in the side...
Laughed my bollocks off at the defending! Yes Fowler knows where the net is, but Dudeck doesn't!
Sooner we get Jagielka the better
The commitment to play Dudek in the cup games is a bit silly- his confidence was low after saturday and tonight will hardly be the making of him.Raffa is a man of principle but pragmatism is sometimes a better option.
Jaysus Dudek is a one man disaster zone.
Great penalty save from Dudek!
Always said he was a good keeper !
You can't blame him for the 5th. How many is it going to be? Liverpool are all over the place at the back. A total joke.
F this for a game of golf.There's only the Mc Kenna Cup to look forward to now.
Christ almighty. In what way is this any different to the hammering West Ham got at Reading? :-\
2-5, great goal from Gerard. Start of a great comeback?
2-5 down and two stretchered off! What a night for Liverpool!!
At least Cliftonville have won at the Oval.
Jaysus lads, what the hell is going on? :o
I'd forgotten it was on and arrive back in the office to find Arsenal winning 5-2!
So much for the big teams still having to come to Anfield! :(
3-5! The comeback continues!
AH lads you wouldn't do that would you. Think of the children for the love of God.
The number 5 in sport is very significant.Apart from Arsenal's tally tonight. Lough Derg if we equalise.
Oops! 3-6. 4 for Baptista
Don't like black toast anyway. Over and out.
1914 since Liverpool conceded 6 goals at home. Hard to believe.
On the bright side, we can now concentrate all our energy on the League and the upcoming Barcelona fixture... :P :o
Some joke nothing else i can say
Quote from: laoislad on January 09, 2007, 09:51:53 PM
Some joke nothing else i can say
I haven't seen any of it yet. Is there a main culprit, or was it just general defensive chaos?
Can I be the first to say....
Rafa Out!!!
;)
Seriously though, the capitulations to Arsenal 3 times now, as well as Man United at Old Trafford and Everton at Goodison are very worrying signs to me. Something is seriously awry when Liverpool concede 6 goals to anybody, not to mind at Anfield. regardless of the team he sent out. Is he trying too hard? All this rotation shite? I'm a firm believer in a settled side, with changes only for injuries/suspensions or the occasional rest.
I'm not too worried about tonight in isolation, but there are too many of these inept performances piling up this season. It's all very well to say we will put it up to Barcalona, but in fairness they'd be liable to score 7 or 8 against LFC if they perform as they have done in the other 'big' games this season.
For me Dudek should have stopped a couple and Paletta was at fault for a few as well
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 09, 2007, 09:57:32 PM
Can I be the first to say....
Rafa Out!!!
;)
Seriously though, the capitulations to Arsenal 3 times now, as well as Man United at Old Trafford and Everton at Goodison are very worrying signs to me. Something is seriously awry when Liverpool concede 6 goals to anybody, not to mind at Anfield. regardless of the team he sent out. Is he trying too hard? All this rotation shite? I'm a firm believer in a settled side, with changes only for injuries/suspensions or the occasional rest.
I'm not too worried about tonight in isolation, but there are too many of these inept performances piling up this season. It's all very well to say we will put it up to Barcalona, but in fairness they'd be liable to score 7 or 8 against LFC if they perform as they have done in the other 'big' games this season.
And just when they seemed to have sorted out the early season defensive problems. I don't really care about being out of the cups, but it is absolutely vital that they get it back together for Watford away on Saturday, especially since I think its Chelsea at home after that.
FFS >:( Arsenal had even the luxury of missing a penalty
Don't be too disheartened...the abuse UTD fans got last year for only winning the Carlng cup!!
Arsenal must have been good all the same....7 shots - 6 goals!!???
OMG what was Rafa thinking...
A complete defensive shambles, Dudek didn't help matters in fact he prob made them worse. And instead of bringing on the Freak Rafa throws on Carragher at a time when Liverpool needed goals!
As a UTD fan I dnt think I'll say much more :D :D
There seems to be a repeat of the Houllier situation happening at Liverpool where a few trophies early in their reign masks a lack of knowledge of the English game and a raft of inadequate signings.
I felt he showed an apathy toward the League Cup last night that he couldn't afford to do as it presented Liverpool with their most realistic chance of winning a trophy. He has been a lucky manager so far. If it wasn't for a once in a lifetime comeback against Milan and a wonder goal from Gerrard his job would be under severe pressure.
I have consistently backed Rafa and have rarely if ever be known to go OTT. I will not do that now but I have to say that I am worried about the way things are going. Realistically the only trophies we had a reasonable sout in this year were the two domestic Cups. To lose in both of those in such devastating fashion is embarressing and some serious soul searching needs to be done. Like AZ and maybe some others I was around when Liverpool were dominating.
Two things from that time which are seriously lacking are that Anfield used to be a Fortress where teams were a goal down before the game started. While they may have the best home record in the League it does not exude the fear in teams that it used to and many games are tougher at home than they should be.
Secondly, Liverpool used to be able to control games and bring it to their own particular pace. Maybe Seanie is right when he says that with the abolition of the backpass Liverpool have lost their ability to control games :P. But seriously they are allowing teams dictate how they play the game too much and not imposing their own game on other teams. A major look at personnel over the transfer window is needed. If this deal with DIC doesn't come through maybe it is time that some difficult decisions are made and players sold to fund rebuilding.
Was watching with a few Arsenal mates last night and even they couldn't get too excited about their victory because of Liverpool's such inept display.
Stevie G my arse. A wonder goal every now and again does not a leader make.
Yes I know that Dudek and the defence where as leaky as Abi Titmus in a Girls Aloud video but come on Stephen, lets start seeing what all the fuss was about.
Would Abi Titmus be that leaky in a girls aloud video?
I have long believed that liverpool have a collection of solid pros without much "spark". they have no world class players. noone to turn a game and noone step up to the plate when the shit hits the fan. first one to utter stevie g as a riposte goes the way of flameboy!!
while the arsenal youngsters are good, they are not all that...yet. but they do have a tried and trusted system to adhere to and the movement and speed & accuarcy they pass the ball with never faltered from that of a premiership game.
am i right in saying that if baptista had converted the penalty he'd have tied with frankie bunn's record for goals in a game?
Quote from: winghalfun on January 10, 2007, 10:15:24 AM
Was watching with a few Arsenal mates last night and even they couldn't get too excited about their victory because of Liverpool's such inept display.
Stevie G my arse. A wonder goal every now and again does not a leader make.
Yes I know that Dudek and the defence where as leaky as Abi Titmus in a Girls Aloud video but come on Stephen, lets start seeing what all the fuss was about.
I certainly think questions need asked of Stevie G's input now that he is in centre midfield. His defending is poor, nay almost pathetic at times, Rosicky's second goal on saturday, he pulled out of a block like a big girl, then last night he went sailing into a challenge on Baptiste and was easliy side stepped leaving a clear shot on goal which he duly put away.
With Sissoko back in the reckoning shortly it's back out to the right wing for you I'm afraid.
Sammi, goodbye big lad, it's time for Agger to get the start.
Paletta, where oh where did he come from?
Last November I posted Liverpool had a average defence, an excellent midfield and a poor attack and that if Liverpool tried to play football against Arsenal, Arsenal would win comfortably. I was told in no certain terms I was talking bollix, in fairness I think Rafa is a good manager but some of his signings are questionable and if I was him I'd sell Gerrard. Gerrard is capable of scoring fantastic goals sush as last nights but he was there last night to lead, he didn't and was anonymous for most of the game. Liverpool always had a great team spirit and for this neutral looking at them that team spirit is lacking.
They have conceded 12 goals in 4 games against Arsena and I havel picked up the following stats from 365
Liverpool's record against Man Utd, Chelsea & Arsenal in the league since Benitez took over
P15 W2 D1 L12
In all competitions
P23 W4 D4 L15
For facks sake it was only the league cup.
The team picked was the right team - you have to give lads a chance, and this is the competition to do it in. It was easily the strongest side he put out this year in the league cup.
The actually played quite well for the first 25 minutes or so. Dominated possession, and in the 10 minutes prior to Arsenal's opener they had started to create chances. Arsenal scored on the break with literally their first attack. Immediately after the goal Andy Gray mentioned 4 Arsenal players who had not touched the ball prior to the goal - which tells a story of how the game was going up to then.
The goal gave Arsenal confidence and they then started to play and Liverpool went into their shell a bit. As the game went into injury time it was 1-2, not an altogether unfair reflection but then came the most critical few minutes of the game. First a Dudek mistake from a corner leads to the ball ricocheting into the net off Song's arm (a pure fluke), then the 4th goal should have been disallowed as it was clearly offside.
That was game over and there was little to be done.
The second half was 2-2, which reflected Liverpool huffing and puffing and occassionally having some success, but with Arsenal sitting back and being very dangerous on the counter. Aluminia made a couple of great saves and Arsenal missed a penalty - it was one of those games that could have been any score. But it was only league cup.
It was disappointing for Liverpool that none of the second string who played took their opportunity to state a case for first team selection. And very disappointing to see Gonzalez and Garcia stretchered off which could well mean long spells out. And there will be some others who wont get next nor near a Liverpool first team jersey for the rest of the season.
Only the League Cup!!!
The League Cup is, sorry, was the only chance of a trophy this season for Rafa's army
Bring on Barcelona :D :D
Is it really goalkeepers Liverpool need to be signing?
Did u not c the game last nite?
I dont understand this interest in buying young keepers just to farm them out. We've got Carson who is a good keeper, we had Kirtland. We need one good solid keeper(Reina) and one other who would be happy playing second fiddle. Not a young kid who is going to want to be playing as many games as possible. And someone with more talent than Dudek!!
Like BCB i'm not going to go too over the top on last nite's result. We need to start plugging away in the League and try and get a bit of confidence back before we meet some of the bigger teams. And as for anything in the Champions League past this stage, that would be a bonus.
A bad few days for a Liverpool fan for sure. Even worse when you consider my best friend is an Arsenal fan.
Don't care about last night really, we knew Dudek was not great, Paletta was very, very poor as was our hero Stevie G.
I'd prefer to finish 3rd in the league than win the worthless cup, can anyone name the last 5 winners....
Remember we lost to Crystal Palace last year.
Made a bet at 1-5 that Liverpool will finish above Arsenal in the league and I'm confident I will collect.
Disappointed about the FA Cup exit but Reyna would have saved two of the goals.
The worse news was the stories that DIC may not plough in the cash we were expecting into the club.
The positive news is that Momo is due back on the 3rd of February for the Everton game and Stevie G can go back on the right wing and forget about covering the defence.
Scousers will beat the Russians in a few weeks and all will be well again........
I don't have faith in Benitez whatsoever. It may turn out the the CL victory was his highlight, but also the catalyst for more seasons playing catch-up. He has never made us remotely anything near challengers for the title. The FA Cup I suppose was some consolation last year but doing well in cups was the perserve of Middlesbrough and Leicester at one stage. We are Liverpool. Utd, Chelse and Arsenal to a lesser extent are getting richer in terms of players willing to believe they can be the best. Bellamy is a liability. Crouch is not a title-winner. Kuyt is unproven. Garcia and Alonso are adequate at best. We need class buys, no more obscure purchases.
2 bad defeats against Arsenal, 1st in the FA Cup, ok it wasn't the best performance of the season but certainly not the worst either, Arsenal had 3 shots on goal & scored all 3, last night Arsenal had 7 i think and scored 6.
For me jerzey looks like a keeper well short of match practise and confidence, always will be remembered fondly by all reds fans for his role in Istanbul but for me it's time to show him the door along with Crouch, Aurellio, Warnock, Gonzalez, Zenden and Kewell, none of which are good enough for a club like Liverpool
I'm still firmly behind Rafa in what he is trying to do at the club, with a limited budget for players, he has to go for possibly 2nd & 3rd choice transfer targets, this postion will not change unless there is an influx of cash into the club
For all those calling for Rafa's head, what manager available would be better, Look at mourino, has a limitless amount of money available, but at the minute he appears to be struggling
Quote from: Fr Ted on January 10, 2007, 11:56:19 AM
Look at mourino, has a limitless amount of money available, but at the minute he appears to be struggling
Media nonsense. He's 2nd in the league. Still in both cups. Topped European group. When was the last time they lost? Don't kid yourself.
Bad night last night although Im not too bothered about the Carling Cup. Getting a CL place is far more important in order to keep in touch with the top teams. At least we're still ahead of Arsenal in the league and it wouldn't surprise me if we were still ahead of them at the end of the season. Think we have to give Rafa an oppertunity to spend some of the investment money in the Summer.
On the two games with Arsenal it just showed that our squad isn't deep enough. Dudek and Fowler are finished. Our local youngsters aren't up to the standard of all the foreign youngsters Arsenal poach from clubs unfortunately. Reina I feel would have saved at least 5 of the 9 goals we conceded over the two games. That's how bad Jerzy was. Virtually anything Arsenal got on target ended up in the net.
Rafa is going to have to get too grips with playing the big teams though. Even Houllier managed regular wins against the likes of Man U and Arsenal. It seems it's beyond Rafa at the moment.
Have Liverpool any chance against Barca? If the crowd get behind them like at the Chelsea semi final maybe?
After the past few days I fear for Pool V barca.
Gunners are nearest thing to Barca the premiership have as regards pace/passing/movement
Gunners have now smashed in 12 in 3 games against Pool.
If they defend like that against Eto'o it will be a massacre and will be over after 1st leg..
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 10, 2007, 01:06:17 PM
After the past few days I fear for Pool V barca.
Gunners are nearest thing to Barca the premiership have as regards pace/passing/movement
Gunners have now smashed in 12 in 3 games against Pool.
If they defend like that against Eto'o it will be a massacre and will be over after 1st leg..
I was thinking the same myself. If Liverpool go a goal or two behind, it will be a massacre. The only chance they have is to grind out a 0-0 in the Nou Camp and produce something like they did against Juventus two years ago at Anfield (Barca are quite a bit ahead of Juve though) and then try to close it out.
It will be a hell of an ask to beat Barca but they haven't been as fluent as lats year. Can blow a team away for 60 mins and then sleep for half an hour. There midfeild and back four can get attached and that can be their undoing.
Rafa and his Spanish knowledge should give some (once he doesn't decide to rest his players for pre-season ;)
Would go with 4 -5 -1 away with Momo back in middle with Alonso and Gerrard. Bellamy up front to use his pace. With Pennat and Zenden (all thats left) on teh right. Tight disciplined show with ball retention the key. (Carra Agger Riise and Finnan at back with Dudek in Liverpool and Pepe in goals).
Nick a 2-1 in Anfield and roll on the quarters.
If that wee shit Garcia was fit I would play him insteand of Ballsup Bolo. Also I think for the away tie Kuyt would be the one to start on his own as he is very hard working and smarter than Bellamy. When he tires put Bellamy on to run behind a tiring defence and matbe nick a goal.
QuoteIf that wee shit Garcia was fit I would play him insteand of Ballsup Bolo.
there ya go again - BC - criticising Garcia - what happened the last time you did that? Went out and scored 2 goals the next game.
Roll on Watford on Saturday
United fans have short memories, 10 years ago they lost to southampton 6-3 and still won the league, losing a carling cup match isn't the end of the world, 3 weeks ago we were flying!
I'd play Zenden as he not loss the ball as often as Garcia dn would offer more protection. Both players are ex-Barca so should be keen to play, if fit.
I do think he'll play Kuyt but think Bellamy is more pacier and able to play on his own better. Kuyt would work his socks off but I'd like to see Bellamy exploit Puyols and Marquez lack of pace.
Doubt if Garcia will be scoring 2 on Saturday-was he stretchered off last night?
that was Speedy Gonzalez
Garcia was stretchered off as well Gab.
Ah Christ - i turned it off after 60 mins
I would have just rolled him off against the advertising hoardings out of the way.
I would hardly say Fowler is finished- he still looks like the only one of our strikers that can consistently put the ball in the back of the net. I'd love to see what he could do playing off Bellamy/ Kuyt when Momo is back controlling the middle and Stevie G can keep hitting his Hollywood balls into the strikers.
Consistently Liverpool flap with Dudek at the back- the keepers job isn't just to save the shots, he has to keep the back line organised, Dudek is failing miserably in that role. Interesting to see whether the kid will get a couple of games at the expense of the 2 more senior keepers. (did anyone else think Sander Westerweld got a rough deal) The first choice back 4 I would have with Finnan, Carra, Hypia and Riise are generally composed, and a presence behind them willl provide stability. Momo in the middle will allow Alonso to contribute more and see if Kewell can actually play.
Ah, but what would I know
Dirk Kuyt's career has gone downhill since The Goonies, its understandably hard to follow up such a glittering performance.
Uninteresting trivia - the guy who played Sloth in the Goonies won 2 Superbowl rings with the LA Raiders
Interesting interview with Benitez in the Echo today.
It's time for us to get realJan 10 2007
Exclusive By Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo
RAFA Benitez says Liverpool must learn the lessons of last night's Carling Cup humiliation, as he urged the club to match Arsenal's ambition in the recruitment of young talent.
Benitez, who apologised for the 6-3 defeat, is deeply frustrated his efforts to create an equally powerful reserve line-up has been thwarted by lack of funds.
But the boss insists he was right to stand by his team selection at Anfield, and argued the gulf in class was a result of Arsenal's ten years of careful planning and recruitment.
He says Liverpool's prospective new owners must take note if they want the club to match the Gunners.
"The first thing we must do is say sorry to our supporters. They were magnificent and deserved better," said Benitez.
"Secondly, although we made mistakes in the game my players worked hard and I must recognise this.
"But when you analyse the situation, the conclusion which worries me is Arsenal could pick nine reserves and score six goals at Anfield. We had seven players of the first team and could not win.
"There is a lesson in this for the whole of our club. If you want to compete at the top level, you must be able to spend a lot of money not only on your first team, but on the young players and reserves.
"Arsenal spent £4m on Diaby, £4m on Denilson, £8m on Walcott and Baptista is a £22m player.
"They have been working for ten years to build a strong squad, and we have been working for two years. My scout department has done an excellent job, but sometimes we go too slow as a club to make signings we need, and when we do there is not a lot of money.
"Today, for example, we are signing a young Italian keeper on loan with an option for later. We've also been working for many weeks to sign the young Scottish player James McCarthy.
"These are the deals we are doing because we want to build a squad of similar quality in the future, but without spending big money it's difficult.
"The money we sign is for the first team, and when you look at the quality of Reina, Sissoko, Alonso, Bellamy and Crouch it's clear all are worth more now than when we bought them."
Benitez has come under fire for his team selection in the wake of the latest cup exit, but he's standing firm.
"I used Momo Sissoko in the Carling Cup against Birmingham and lost him for four months," he said.
"Last night we believe we've lost Luis for the rest of the season and Gonzalez and Warnock were injured. Steven Gerrard has a dead leg and Xabi Alonso a tight hamstring.
"What is more important? The Premiership, the Champions League or the Carling Cup?
"If Arsenal can play nine reserves and score six at Anfield, people should be asking why is this. It's not because of one game, it's because of many reasons. I picked a team with seven players from the first team last night.
Do people expect me to play Finnan every week? He has had to play in every fixture this season. The players I used were good players."
Thats a very defensive and aggressive interview by Rafa. Very unlike him.
But fair play to him for explaining his position. He's still the man for me.
Quote
Sampdoria goalkeeper Daniele Padelli will join Liverpool on a six-month loan deal, his agent has confirmed.
The Italy Under-21 goalkeeper will undergo a medical on Wednesday afternoon with the Reds before starting training under Rafael Benitez.
Agent Silvano Martina said: "Padelli will travel to Liverpool this afternoon.
"The clubs have agreed on a six-month loan deal and the player is excited at the prospect of playing for Liverpool."
Padelli, one of Italy's most promising goalkeepers, joined Serie B side Crotone on loan from Sampdoria in the summer with the aim of getting some first-team football under his belt.
However, the 21-year-old has merely served as an understudy to Salvatore Soviero, playing in just one league game.
Samp have cancelled the loan deal with Crotone which was set to run until June, and have accepted the offer made by the Premiership club.
Garcia gone for the season >:( >:( >:(
QuoteLiverpool have been dealt a serious injury blow with the news that Luis Garcia won't play again this season.
The Spaniard was stretchered off during last night's Carling Cup clash with Arsenal and a scan has today confirmed he has ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee.
Liverpool Head of Press Ian Cotton said: "Unfortunately we expect to be without Luis for six months."
Chilean midfielder Mark Gonzalez, meanwhile, faces up to three weeks on the sidelines with the shin injury he sustained against the Gunners.
An x-ray after last night's game immediately confirmed there was no fracture, but a scan today has revealed severe soft tissue bruising and bruising to the bone of his right shin.
yeah cruciate ligament injury
Have to be a good win tomorrow esp after what happenend mid week
Going well so..
Not before time - good to get the Arsenal hangover(s) behind us.
Just what the lads needed after the last 2 games
10 clean sheets in last 11 EPL games - nice
Big one next weekend now - 6-pointer
From the BBC
Liverpool are on the verge of agreeing a £156m takeover by the investment arm of Dubai's government.
The club's board of directors will discuss the final proposals by the Dubai International Capital Group at a meeting on Tuesday.
The deal, which will net chairman David Moores more than £75m, is close to bring completed, but is not expected to be finalised until next week.
Moores, who owns 51.6% of shares, made an initial investment of around £10m.
Interview: Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry
DIC has almost completed its due diligence, but Liverpool are keen to get the deal done in time to allow them to bring in some new players before the closure of the transfer window on 31 January.
It is unclear what level of investment in players will be made available to manager Rafael Benitez should the deal go through.
On Sunday, Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry said the deal was "not a quick fix, a rich man's play-thing. It's a long-term model for success, based around the new stadium".
"This will take us to the next level," he added.
So it might be done in time to get a couple of new players? Any ideas who might be drafted in?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6267319.stm
QuoteLiverpool have sent a letter to Fifa asking for special dispensation to sign Argentine midfielder Javier Mascherano on loan from West Ham.
Under Fifa regulations, Mascherano, 22, cannot play for another club this season because he has already represented Corinthians and West Ham.
But Liverpool hope Mascherano will be allowed to complete a move to Anfield.
A Fifa spokesman told BBC Sport that the "player status department" was currently considering the matter.
Mascherano arrived at Upton Park with international team-mate Carlos Tevez on 31 August.
But he has played only six minutes since the defeat at Tottenham on 22 October and is desperate to leave the club
But under the world governing body's rules, a footballer cannot play competitively for more than two different clubs between 1 July and 30 June the following year.
No doubt all Liverpools friends in the FA will push FIFA to allow this to happen.
Yep.
And we'll get Barcelona kicked out of the CL as well. It;s our only hope.
Why would LFC want Maschereno though? When Sissoko comes back there'll be a plethora of midfielders again.
Not central midfielders. When Sissoko comes back that's only two. Mascherano would be a good addition. Cannot understand why it hasn't worked out for him (or Tevez) at West Ham.
Well Sissoko, Alonso and Gerrard are going to be battling for 2 positions as it is. Another one will add to the confusion there. And then Stevie G can do a big sulk if he's on the right to accomodate Mascherano.
No need to say Steven Gerrard is not a central midfielder. We've heard it before.
Exactly no need for him, Stevie G will huff if he is played on right. No need in my opinion.
Rafa just seems to be going Argie crazy at the minute!!! ???
Can't see how Liverpool have a case here. Rules are rules. If Mascherano hadn't made any first team appearances for West Ham, it might be different.
Just because Stevie would go into a sulk is no good reason not to buy another CM and move SG onto the right. And the real benefit of Mascherano is it should mean no more Zenden in a red jersey.
In any event there are plenty of signs that Benitez is gradually moving towards a 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2) system, which would mean Gerrard being the most offensive of three central midfielders.
I think that is the case exactly Hound. I see Liverpool playing 3-5-2 next season. At the moment the team would be along the lines of Reina, Finnan, Carra, Agger, Pennant, Sissoko, Alonso, Gerrard, Riise, Kuyt, Bellamy.
I wouldn't mind that to be honest.
I have been saying that for some time that it is the way to go. Another top class CB, pushing Finnan out to the right and then they would be a serious proposition for the League.
I could just be mischievous here but does anyone see the possibility that Rafa is laying the ground for Gerrard heading to Barca/Madrid in the summer. I could be wrong but I think he wants to have full control over proceedings and if Stevie is huffing everytime he has to play out right then Rafa is being undermined. Mascerhano on loan, with a view to a permanent. He will not cost as much as Gerrard could be solf for. Pick up £20m plus in the summer, with the war chest from Dubai this would give them a lot of money to work with for next season.
QuotePick up £20m plus in the summer, with the war chest from Dubai this would give them a lot of money to work with for next season.
No better man to waste it than Rafa! ;)
Cheski are all over the place at the back! It should 3-0.
Great Result - now for the scum to beat the scum tomorrow and we'll be comfortable in 3rd and chasing 2nd spot.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on January 10, 2007, 11:32:14 AM
Scousers will beat the Russians in a few weeks and all will be well again........
Ahem!
Nice to finally take some points off Chelsea and it shows the hysteria after the Arsenal games up for what it was.
Chelsea look to have some big problems though. If United beat Arsenal tomorrow, I'd say its over. I can't see them letting a nine point lead slip over 14 games given the form they're in.
Good result and performance. Granted Chelsea were missing a few players but we didn't deserve to lose to them at Stamford Bridge earlier in the season so swings and roundabouts. Thought Bellamy should have come on a bit earlier.
Only 5 points behind Chelsea now. Hopefully Arsenal pick up the 3 points tomorrow.
QuoteHopefully Arsenal pick up the 3 points tomorrow
Definitely united are getting very close on the league titles front
Great result today didn't see it live was working but looking forward to match of the day i hear Riise had a cracker hit the cross bar
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 20, 2007, 07:38:33 PM
Great result today didn't see it live was working but looking forward to match of the day i hear Riise had a cracker hit the cross bar
He was very unlucky. Hit it from about 40 yards!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bifdp0mRsww
Thank you Liverpool!
Fair play to Liverpool today, as they thoroughly deserved their win. Was fairly confident going into this one until Cavlaho wasn't playing, and then I'd of took a draw with bells on.
The absence of 2 centre-halfs certainly cost the Blues. The first goal came from Fererria ball watching and letting Kuyt steal in behind, and the second was probably attributable to Robben being injured. It was critical that Cole and Geremi stopped delivery into the box today so as to protect the centre. However when the cross was headed clear to Pennant, the plan would've been for Robben, and Kalou to be backing up.
Still thems the breaks.
Thought the second half we showed better, but lacked leaders, and some class in the top hlaf of the pitch. Wright-Phillips did ok today, and with a wee bit of luck two of his crosses could've worked there way into the goal. Lampard was too quiet, and lacked the authority of JT to grab the game. Ballack...well what does he actually add?
I think if Man U win tomorrow it's not all over but some of the crowd will be on the pitch. However if points are dropped I still believe. The next 3 PL games are winable, and if we get JT back before, or during that run it can still be done...........
Wycombe (H) CC
Forest (H) FA
Blackburn (H) PL
Charlton (A) PL
Boro (H) PL
just watched match of the day..two great goals shopuld have been 4 or 5...
Oh yeah was that Djimi Traore playing for Portsmouth? when did that happen
Get in there, Arsenal! Man U have to come to Anfield, play Chelsea at the Bridge . . . we can still do this!!
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Dr Fun has passed on to that great Spion Kop in the sky. Truly one of sport's great nutter fans, he will be missed
RIP Dr Fun (http://forum.raotl.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=44205&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
The following is from the Liverpool Echo! ;D ;D
WELCOME to the real world Jose. The world where football managers have to manage with economic restraint. A world where injuries and suspensions have to be overcome through shrewdness and acumen, not the wave of a chequebook.
And a world where the loss of three players from one department of the team has to be stoically endured.
So while many will focus on the poverty of Chelsea's defending at Anfield on Saturday – and for 20 minutes it was Dog and Duck United stuff – perhaps some will now feel inclined to celebrate Rafael Benitez's recent enforced reshuffles.
Three central defenders missing on the same afternoon? Get on with it. Like the Liverpool coach has done for the past two months shorn of the services of a trio of influential midfielders.
Aside from Steven Gerrard, Momo Sissoko is the most influential member of Liverpool's midfield. He has been missing since November 8.
Liverpool's record in that timescale? Won 10, drawn two and lost two in the Premiership.
Bolo Zenden and Luis Garcia are also important options in that same department. Both have been missing for large chunks of the season – and in case anybody has forgotten, Harry Kewell is also a member of Liverpool's midfield.
The Reds even lost Xabi Alonso for 10 minutes on Saturday while he had a mouth injury patched up.
Their overwhelming superiority over the champions – especially in midfield – didn't dip for even a second.
In the engine room of the match, Liverpool totally dominated Lampard and an expensive German show pony.
Ballack? Change a vowel and you're not far away from an accurate description of his performance. One decent crossfield pass was the sum total of Michael Ballack's afternoon contribution – while he was even nutmegged by a team-mate during a comedy free-kick routine which seemed to epitomise Chelsea's troubles.
Mourinho afterwards tried to explain away his side's slump by labelling Liverpool route one. Hmm. Potenciometro, chaleira and preto, Jose. That's Portuguese for pot, kettle and black.
And while Chelsea's defensive deficiencies might explain Liverpool's approach, they don't adequately explain why Pepe Reina was not called upon to make a single meaningful save all afternoon.
That's because Liverpool were totally and utterly in command.
And while it's still fanciful to talk of a title charge, with reinforcements on the horizon the hitherto written off Champions League challenge may not be the lost cause some outside of Anfield appear to think – and Chelsea are now visible on the Premiership horizon.
Momo Sissoko is back in training now and itching to launch himself into a tackle.
But his absence seems to have dispelled one Anfield myth for the time being at least – that Gerrard and Alonso can't play together. Hands up for occasionally airing that theory...
"I've read that myself, and I don't think it's true," said Liverpool's skipper in a programme interview. "I think that good players play with each other whoever they are and I enjoy playing with Xabi. I think if you look at the results we've had playing together we've done well. I think we complement each other."
Perhaps. Or maybe Gerrard's more thoughtful approach to his midfield responsibilities, following discussions with his manager, has resulted in a better balanced partnership.
On Saturday Gerrard showed commendable restraint. With Sissoko on board, he can rampage forward and make your first goalscorer bet the equivalent of buying money.
Alongside Alonso he has to sit deeper, and time his bursts more cannily, and Liverpool's results since Sissoko's shoulder popped suggest he has taken that lesson on board spectacularly.
Six goals in the same period underline the argument.
On Saturday, with Liverpool playing long to make full use of the unsung Peter Crouch and the excellent Dirk Kuyt, he wasn't required to burst forward as often. Long, short or anything in-between, Chelsea were always second best. So what of the Chelsea manager?
"Bye, bye Mourinho!" The Kop provocatively roared, along with a mischievous airing of "Rafa's The Special One!"
It will undoubtedly be a sad day for the Premiership when the little Portuguese takes his talents and personality to new shores.
But despite his charisma, despite the colour he has brought into English football and despite his undoubted ability, it is impossible to feel sympathy for him.
You can't feel sorry for a man who regularly slanders opposition players, a manager who waves imaginary yellow cards on the touchline and makes such sweeping accusations he eventually has to issue an apology, who has managed without economic restraint and a man who has even impugned the integrity of the Royal Berkshire Ambulance Service.
None of the above can be levelled at Rafael Benitez. Perhaps observers outside Merseyside may now start to appreciate him a little more.
Here is another article from it! :)
JOSE Mourinho wanted so much post match sympathy at Anfield, some of us presumed the match sponsors were Kleenex.
Every excuse he desired was willingly presented as he assessed where it went wrong for his side and right for Liverpool.
As 'The Special One' admitted he's not so special after all and complained about a lack of centre-backs, it was tempting to ask if this was because of injuries in defence, or whether he was missing Robert Huth's impact up front in the last 10 minutes.
Hearing Mourinho complain about lack of support in the transfer market is a bit like hearing a billionaire moan about paying tax.
Liverpool finally beat one of their main rivals in the Premiership on Saturday, only for Rafa Benitez to be told this was not the 'real Chelsea'.
Quite how defensive problems prevented Lampard, Ballack, Wright-Phillips and Drogba making any contribution – and turned one of the best strikers in the world into a £30m dud – is a matter for debate, but no doubt there's a good reason.
Strangely, sympathy was less forthcoming two years ago when Benitez regularly headed into fixtures against the Londoners, Arsenal and Manchester United with striking options of Neil Mellor or Florent Sinama-Pongolle, or used Steven Gerrard as a makeshift frontman.
These facts are overlooked when Benitez's overall record against the 'big three' is presented. As he said before kick-off, history only records results, not circumstances which led to them.
In those days, it wasn't an Anfield injury crisis, or lack of strikers which was Benitez's problem. When the Reds failed in those fixtures, it was the real Liverpool who had shown up. One rule for Benitez and another for Mourinho? You bet.
Not that Liverpool will particularly care about the inquest at Stamford Bridge. That Benitez still has more important Premiership considerations made this win so significant.
Finishing above Chelsea remains a dream as much as an aspiration, but Liverpool have achieved their first goal of the season six months in. They have shown an eternally disbelieving public they can challenge the country's elite.
It remains to be seen if slicing the gap between third and second has any impact on an unlikely title tilt, and the caution from manager, skipper and a succession of Liverpool stars was wise.
Too often a significant Anfield victory has ballooned in its self importance with fans as guilty as journalists and players of absorbing the hype.
There are times when the moment of victory itself is satisfying enough, without attaching greater worth which would be undermined by a poor performance at Upton Park in 10 days.
This campaign began with the pursuit of Chelsea the prime objective. Just three months ago, that looked beyond the club. Not now. But even as the Reds came to terms with the enormity of a win which safeguarded their wildly optimistic league hopes, there was an acknowledgement of the scale of the task remaining.
The days when beating Roman Abramovich's Chelsea signified the end of Benitez's journey to restore Liverpool's place at the top of the English game have already passed.
Now it's just another tick on the things to do list.
Signs of decline at Stamford Bridge mean even if the Reds are able to shrug the Londoners aside, their ultimate target is still way in the distance.
Come May, one hopes this will be perceived as the victory which gave Liverpool the momentum and confidence to believe anything was possible.
Equally, like so many other occasions since 1990, it may be looked upon as a triumph which underlined the sense of 'if only', as a team capable of so much more still finds itself too far behind the likely champions.
It's impossible not to stare at the table today without lamenting wasted opportunities against Sheffield United, Middlesbrough and Blackburn, against whom a series of wins would have magnified the value of this success. Instead, Liverpool must use this win as a platform for much more.
Chelsea, it must be acknowledged, were there for taking.
But weakened or not, Liverpool had to take advantage and show their class. They did so with ease, enjoying a win every bit as comfortable as every other home triumph this season.
Benitez kicked Mourinho where it hurts, pairing Crouch and Kuyt and urging his players to go direct against the inexperienced and nervous centre-backs. Once Kuyt put the Reds ahead with an elegant finish on four minutes, it seemed more a case of how many Liverpool would get.
That they only added one was as improbable as the second itself. Jermaine Pennant's steady rather than spectacular improvement has been noted and he confirmed this with a strike which was out of the ordinary.
Although Chelsea enjoyed plenty of possession once they settled, Pepe Reina was untroubled, while chances flowed at the Kop end.
Crouch could curse his lack of aerial power again. He would be on 30 goals by now if he could add the phrase 'bullet header' to his portfolio.
Riise's thunderbolt and a late Kuyt volley could have piled on the humiliation for the Londoners.
The energy and commitment across the park made a comeback impossible. Steven Gerrard gave arguably his best display against Chelsea since you know what, while Jamie Carragher reduced the formidable Drogba to the role of ball boy.
The full-time inquisition regarding the identity of the impressive left back was also notice of the impact of Fabio Aurelio, although he tired late on.
Liverpool had far more to lose than their opponents on Saturday, but the circumstances of the season means the gain won't be measured until later.
What is beyond dispute is the buoyancy at Anfield today, and the firm belief that not only can Chelsea be caught, but that Manchester United's lead can also be reduced.
Unlike previous false dawns, this is balanced with caution as the perils of predicting too much often prove counter-productive.
The broadcasters love spending the week emphasising how the destiny of the Premiership can be decided by such fixtures, but when the dust settles, a win still represents a mere three points, no matter how much sweeter the victory.
This was a very good weekend for Liverpool, but everyone at Anfield recognises there's much more to be done to transform it into a pivotal one.
Steven Warnock gone to Blackburn Rovers..I liked him thought he was a right good player
QuoteSigns of decline at Stamford Bridge mean even if the Reds are able to shrug the Londoners aside, their ultimate target is still way in the distance.
It think it says more about Chelsea that a decline is when we are still challanging for 4 trophies!
QuoteMourinho afterwards tried to explain away his side's slump by labelling Liverpool route one. Hmm. Potenciometro, chaleira and preto, Jose. That's Portuguese for pot, kettle and black.
Completly out of context. He stated that Rafa wasn't stupid, that he knew Chelsea's weakness in the air at the back and exploited it.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 22, 2007, 04:44:10 PM
Ballack? Change a vowel and you're not far away from an accurate description of his performance. One decent crossfield pass was the sum total of Michael Ballack's afternoon contribution – while he was even nutmegged by a team-mate during a comedy free-kick routine which seemed to epitomise Chelsea's troubles.
Ho ho, very satirical. David Prentice, you are a complete numpty
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 22, 2007, 06:21:37 PM
QuoteSigns of decline at Stamford Bridge mean even if the Reds are able to shrug the Londoners aside, their ultimate target is still way in the distance.
It think it says more about Chelsea that a decline is when we are still challanging for 4 trophies!
QuoteMourinho afterwards tried to explain away his side's slump by labelling Liverpool route one. Hmm. Potenciometro, chaleira and preto, Jose. That's Portuguese for pot, kettle and black.
Completly out of context. He stated that Rafa wasn't stupid, that he knew Chelsea's weakness in the air at the back and exploited it.
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They were all predicting last week after the Arsenal games that Liverpool's progress had reached an impasse under Rafa. Now they're probably blowing Mourinho's problems up out of all proportion. One or two players back, a good win or two, and this shite will blow over for Chelsea as well.
Nice article on Carra on the official site.
CHRIS BASCOMBE ON JAMIE CARRAGHER
You don't half write some crap you," Jamie Carragher said the first time he saw me at Melwood.
"Any chance of getting the man of the match right one day?"
Actually, he didn't use the word crap. It was much scouser.
It was also said in that typical Carragher way. Sharp enough to sound funny, but blunt enough to make a point. You'll have heard this tone many times since.
It's the one that confronted Geoff Shreeves of Sky, who was asked 'who's bigger than Liverpool?' after quizzing Carragher if Steven Gerrard could leave for a 'superior' club.
And the one that cut off the poor Paxman imitator in his prime who urged Carragher to describe the ethos of Liverpool.
"What are yer goin on about mate?" was the appropriate response.
Reporters, especially the most pompous, regularly come a cropper and provoke the same humorously contemptible comeback whenever they try to trip him up.
Fortunately, those of us with more experience have learned the hard way never to ask him questions which are dumb, patronising or both. And pity the individuals who dare attempt to catch Carragher with the use of statistics. He'll pounce as swiftly as he does when making last ditch tackles, with his encyclopaedic knowledge of Liverpool's history ensuring even the match day programme writers need to be on their guard when compiling career details.
Carragher's style of play echoes how he comes across to the media off the park.
Honest, dedicated, obsessive about football and always ready to go in where it hurts when he senses his club, team mates, city or family is getting a kicking.
How often do you hear him talking up players he feels are being unfairly treated? Probably because he's been there himself. After all, it took him the best part of five years to stop those letters to the ECHO saying Liverpool would never win the big prizes with players like him in defence.
The Kop sings about a team of Carraghers now, but it wasn't so long ago the one they've got wasn't appreciated.
If Liverpool take a beating, you won't see him quickening his step or accepting imaginary mobile phone calls to swerve reporters. If Liverpool win, he's most likely to slip away unseen while others take the credit. Such modesty isn't a calculated act.
Supporters regular call the ECHO with tales of Carragher's charitable donations, a contribution recently recognised when he was given the freedom of Sefton.
In 2002 he agreed to write a World Cup column on the condition the payments were sent to Alder Hey Children's Hospital, but didn't want that publicised (a few years later I decided it was information which deserved to be shared).
Proceeds from his forthcoming testimonial will go to charity.
Most players go mad if they're getting battered in a newspaper. Carragher gets more annoyed if he's made to sound like he's a world beater.
To this day, touch wood, the only time he's been angry with the ECHO was in 1999 when he was needed to play in the 'unfamiliar' role of centre-half because of an injury to Sami Hyypia.
"I'll fill Sami's boots," read the headline. Carragher thought it made him sound big-headed, as if he was putting himself in the same class as Hyypia. Eight years on, it may seem astounding to supporters a world class centre-half like Carragher would take exception to anyone putting him in a bracket he so clearly is. The notion he'd have to fill anyone's shoes is ridiculous. But it was all about the context. Creating an image of him bigging up himself, and more seriously demeaning one of his team mates, was unacceptable to him, and he made it known.
Fortunately, grudges don't last and he's got most reporters sussed. That's not surprising as he and Steven Gerrard are the most requested for interview.
It's a running gag in the reporting industry how when anyone starts on a newspaper, their first call will be to the Melwood Press Office to set up a meeting with Carragher, who has an inability to fail to be interesting and forthright in his opinions. Need a double page spread for your Saturday or Sunday supplement? Get hold of Carra and fill it with those condescending images about Bootle and scally kids made good (check the archives, it's compulsory all 'serious journalists' have to refer to this when writing about Carragher. If it's Gerrard, just replace Bootle with Huyton).
And do you think the race for the title is hotting up? It's nothing compared to the fight to write Carragher's autobiography when he decides to do it.
All the Jimmy Hill Sunday Supplement crew are desperate for the nod, and have been known to end interviews with an appeal to write it for him. He'll keep them all guessing, but his delay putting pen to paper is further evidence of his disinterest in the footballing cult of celebrity. He's got a Premiership medal to win before he divides his career into chapters.
Let's not forget, this is the fella who when asked if he'd sell his wedding photographs to Hello replied: "I'd rather sell them to The Kop Magazine for £1."
Legendary status - and let's not hear anyone say that's going too far - wasn't achieved overnight.
Across 10 years, Carragher has developed as the ultimate player of the people. The Kop loves him because they know he's one of them. He thinks like them, gives his all as if it was is only appearance for the club, and shows the twin ecstasies of joy and grief as and when appropriate.
If he wasn't playing, he'd be watching and travelling with the family entourage which never misses a game. How do we know? Because he did it in 2003 when he was recovering from a broken leg, joining his dad and cousin on the Happy Al's coach to Middlesbrough and shouting at the incompetence of El-Hadji Diouf with everyone else in the away end.
Steven Gerrard has been the heart of the Liverpool at the start of this Millennium. Jamie Carragher is its soul.
Oh, and I nearly forgot. He's also one of the greatest defenders Liverpool has ever had, and has many more years in red still to serve.
But you knew that bit already.
Great article, the man is a great role model!
QuoteLiverpool have signed 18-year-old Dutch striker Jordy Brouwer from Ajax.
The player joins goalkeeper Daniele Padelli and defender Emiliano Insua as the new arrivals at Anfield in the transfer window.
"We've made a good signing for the future in Jordy," club chief executive Rick Parry told Liverpool's website.
"He had a youth contract at Ajax, but opted to build his career at Liverpool. We've monitored his progress and look forward to developing his potential."
Quote from: derryexile on January 24, 2007, 12:32:37 AM
Great article, the man is a great role model!
and he donates money to the poor too!!! :o
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 24, 2007, 01:47:07 PM
QuoteLiverpool have signed 18-year-old Dutch striker Jordy Brouwer from Ajax.
The player joins goalkeeper Daniele Padelli and defender Emiliano Insua as the new arrivals at Anfield in the transfer window.
"We've made a good signing for the future in Jordy," club chief executive Rick Parry told Liverpool's website.
"He had a youth contract at Ajax, but opted to build his career at Liverpool. We've monitored his progress and look forward to developing his potential."
Good to see us finally investing in young European talent like Arsenal have been doing for the past 5+ years or so.
Glad to see them going Dutch for young talent.
Feel they are more suited to the English game than a young South American or Spaniard.
Yeah, like Pierre Van Hojdoink (sp?) and Marco Boogers :D
Quote from: derryexile on January 24, 2007, 12:32:37 AM
Great article, the man is a great role model!
It actually made me want to barf :-[
I wouldn't exactly say they were young talent AZ
I know, but they are Dutch.
I actually agree. I think Dutch and Scandinavians have a more immediate impact in England compared to Italians, Spanish or South Americans, with obvious exceptions of course.
Am sure you have Luis Garcia included in one of your obvious exceptions AZ.. :P
CELEBRITY KOP CLUB: DR KARL KENNEDY
Jimmy Rice 25 January 2007
Welcome to Celebrity Kop Club, a unique band of Reds who've risen to fame with hope in their hearts and a Liver Bird on their chest. The third inductee might come from OZ, but he has more than a little understanding of what it means to be a Red...
Everybody needs good neighbours - so goes the theme tune of the popular Aussie soap. And it seems Anfield could soon be getting one of the best ever.
"Eventually I will move to the UK and I think Liverpool may well be the place I end up. It'd be great to be able to take my lad to Anfield," reveals Dr Karl, aka Alan Fletcher.
While Neighbours' fans are led to believe Susan is the love of his life, The Doc has in fact been cultivating an affair thousands of miles from Ramsay Street.
"I'm in love with Liverpool," he confesses. "I was attracted primarily because it was the home of the Beatles. I also have some distant relatives living on Merseyside, so the Reds were a natural fit for me.
"I've been over about five times in the last two years. Perhaps it's the Irish influence in the city, but I find Scousers to be incredibly friendly, open people with a delicious sense of humour."
Okay, so he loves our great city, and he's chosen the correct team. But it can't be easy being a Red Down Under, can it?
"No," admits the ultimate out-of-towner. "It's very difficult to see games because of the time difference; they're played in the middle of the night.
"The SBS television network shows all the football highlights, but I'm planning to get an e-Season Ticket to make things easier.
"I take my allegiance to LFC very seriously. I still have an enormous amount to learn about the team, though. My son and I spend a lot of time watching DVDs about the club and its great victories.
"My favourite is 100 Years of The Kop. I can only imagine what the atmosphere was like crammed into that stand watching the Reds at their finest."
The 49-year-old tries to get to as many games as he can while on tour with his band, Waiting Room. And he likes to reveal his support in another, more vocal fashion.
"I started singing You'll Never Walk Alone at gigs as a tribute to the club," he says.
"The great thing is that everyone loves to sing along with the song regardless of who their team is.
"We were playing the Walkabout in Nottingham on the night of the Champions League final. Minutes after we won I walked on stage and sang it wearing my shirt. The audience went wild."
Such is the force of The Doc, he's even managed to get a bunch of Evertonians singing their hearts out to our famous anthem.
"After the FA Cup win last year I was performing in Liverpool for the Edge Hill College ball. Again the crowd went berserk for it. Even the Everton fans joined in!"
KK is clearly doing his best to spread the Liverpool word, then. So how come YNWA never featured when he appeared on Soapstar Superstar earlier this month?
"We had no choice of songs for the show," scoffs The Doc, not hiding his irritation. "Sadly they didn't choose it as part of my repertoire."
Coming from OZ, The Doc's passion for the Reds has to compete with an unhealthy interest in cricket and Aussie rules. But when push comes to shove, there's only ever one winner.
"The thing is, because Aussie rules matches are high scoring, the crowds have frequent occasions to release their tension," he explains.
"The tight nature of the scoreline and speed of British football makes the game so much more exciting and tense.
"Football is very popular in Australia because of the big European population and the success of the Socceroos in the World Cup. The game is still dwarfed by Aussie rules but that is changing rapidly.
"When my son and I have a kick down at the park and we wear our Liverpool strips, many people stop and profess their support for the club."
This is the same strip – with FLETCH embezzled on the back – which he wears on the set of Neighbours, though he admits he's yet to convince any of his co-stars to join him in the Kop.
"I don't have any friends who support the Reds but I do have a mate who follows West Ham, and I've had some fun at his expense lately!" he says.
Despite a lack of Kopites in his address book, The Doc is friendly with another member of Celebrity Kop Club – as well as a current Liverpool player.
He said: "I met Euan Blair in London when he came to see my band at the Walkabout in Shepherd's Bush.
"Then I was working in Manchester recently and had the pleasure of meeting Harry Kewell. I had a terrific night with him and his darling wife Sheree."
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2007, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 24, 2007, 01:47:07 PM
QuoteLiverpool have signed 18-year-old Dutch striker Jordy Brouwer from Ajax.
The player joins goalkeeper Daniele Padelli and defender Emiliano Insua as the new arrivals at Anfield in the transfer window.
"We've made a good signing for the future in Jordy," club chief executive Rick Parry told Liverpool's website.
"He had a youth contract at Ajax, but opted to build his career at Liverpool. We've monitored his progress and look forward to developing his potential."
Good to see us finally investing in young European talent like Arsenal have been doing for the past 5+ years or so.
Ajax said they were undecided as to whether to offer this Jordy guy a professional contract. Hopefully they're just lying to avoid the embarrassment of having lost a top prospect for no more than €50,000 in compensation. But it doesnt breed confidence - surely if he was any good he'd have been offered a pro contract long ago...
I see that Salif Diao has eventually left Liverpool on a permanent basis and signed for stoke
Is that the last of the tripe that houllier bought?
Not in the same league as diao but
(http://www.liverpool.in.th/player/dudek.jpg)
I'M DESPERATE FOR MAN UTD TO WIN MORE TITLES THAN LIVERPOOL!
GARY NEVILLE XCLUSIVE: TROPHY CHALLENGE WILL KEEP DRIVING ME ON
David Mcdonnell
GARY NEVILLE has admitted his deeprooted hatred for Liverpool is the driving force pushing him towards further glory in the final years of his Manchester United career.
Neville, famed for his longstanding loathing of Liverpool, is determined to help United beat their arch rivals' haul of 18 league titles before the end of his glittering playing career at Old Trafford.
And with Sir Alex Ferguson's side six points clear of Chelsea at the top of the Premiership and on course to claim their 16th championship this season, Neville is confident United can soon overtake their bitter Merseyside enemies.
"When we started winning championships in 1992-93, I always thought it would be a dream to leave this club having won more titles than Liverpool," Neville told a Q&A session for United supporters at Old Trafford.
"Obviously we haven't won the championship for a few years now, but we are only three behind Liverpool and it would be fantastic to think that in the next few years we could win three or four titles and overhaul them.
"When I was growing up, people of my age group will know that Liverpool were winning everything. That was hard to take. But they haven't won the championship for so long now and we have to make sure we keep that going."
What do you expect from a pig but a grunt,
He is a hateful wee ugly tosser
Quote from: Ethan Edwards on January 26, 2007, 01:33:00 PM
He is a hateful wee ugly tosser
Because he aspires to be the best?
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We're all highly amused when Fowler holds up the five fingers to United fans. Steven Gerrard has admitted in his autobiography to a deep-seated antipathy to United (although he is nothing but highly complementary about the vast majority of individual United players and staff, including Neville). This stuff goes both ways.
I always loved this picture though...
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Exactly J70. I think it's much better that Neville actually gives a sh*te about who he plays for, and also recognises and embraces the rivalry with Liverpool.
As for the article, I notice that 'hatred' and 'loathing' are not direct quotes. Read what he actually said, and it's perfectly understandable from his point of view. (Even if it is flawed :D)
Is that the last of the tripe that houllier bought?
Is Cisse not still on the books at Liverpool?
Dudek was fantastic for the first year or so after we signed him. Then he had that horror show against Man U which didn't save Diego Forlan's career in England but most royally screwed Jerzy's. I don't think we should should forget how good he was in that first year though.
Or in Istanbul !!! ;D
(http://www.redandwhitekop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/25362/jr83_liverpool_dudek_small.jpg)
He was bilge for 117 minutes - can there be any more humiliating experience than having to be bailed out by Djimi Traore? Then . . .
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Quote from: deiseach on January 26, 2007, 05:35:05 PM
He was bilge for 117 minutes - can there be any more humiliating experience than having to be bailed out by Djimi Traore? Then . . .
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I remember Dudek spilling the one that hit his knees early in the second half, just before Gerrard's goal, but I don't Dudek had much to do with the fact that Liverpool were three down.
Who do ye think was the worst Liverpool player over the last decade or so
Traore?
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Bruno Cheyrou?
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Phill Babb?
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Diouf?
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Kromkamp?
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or does anyone remember
Erik Meijer
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Luckily the last decade rules out the Souness years otherwise you could have added another 15 players to that list. ;D
Two great songs about Djimi- after the OG against Burnley in the cup
Michael Jackson
Don't blame it on the Biscan
Don't blame it on the Hamman
Don't blame it on the Finnan
Blame it on Traore
I just can't, I just can't ,I just can't control my feet
Dean Martin- That's Amore
Who's the bloke at the back
Who got Houlier the sack
That's Amore
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 26, 2007, 08:05:12 PM
Who do ye think was the worst Liverpool player over the last decade or so
Traore?
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Bruno Cheyrou?
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Phill Babb?
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Diouf?
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/diouf.jpg)
Kromkamp?
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or does anyone remember
Erik Meijer
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There's been far far worse than that bunch. I think Douff, apart from being a bit of a p***k, is an excellent player, but he just never showed it for Liverpool. The only really great game I remember him having was when he destroyed Silvestre in the 2003 League Cup Final.
Traore has some good qualities, but the overall package just isn't good enough for top class football. He had a decent runs of matches, but a disastrous mistake was never far off. I thought similarly of Westerveld, although in his position, he was better than Traore. A lot of days he was brilliant, but he didn't seem to have the concentration to be a top-class keeper.
Babb threw his career away. Meijer seemed to be thrilled just to be at a club like Liverpool, and although he was very limited, he always gave everything. I remember him having a very good game at Old Trafford one year when Fowler and Owen were both injured (the day Patrik Berger scored the 35 yard free kick).
Cheyrou was always injured, but never seemed to get to grips with the speed and physicality of the English game. Kromkamp was probably mainly bought to cover Finnan and Gerrard, but didn't do too badly in a lot of the games, IMO.
As for really poor players over the last decade, how about Jean Michel Ferri or Sean Dundee? Vladimir Smicer, for a very skillful player, was disappointing overall.
Biggest waste of undoubted talent - Jari Litmanen (through no fault of his own) or Stan Collymore.
They were a fair bad buch all the same i wouldn't be as generous as you in my opinions of any of them
Any views on this american takeover bid?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 26, 2007, 09:37:26 PM
They were a fair bad buch all the same i wouldn't be as generous as you in my opinions of any of them
Any views on this american takeover bid?
Didn't think I was particularly generous to any of them, although some may disagree with my opinion of Diouf! ;D
I don't know very much about the American takeover, except the little bit on the BBC website, so I don't really have an opinion. We'll see how it plays out.
Liverpool have announced the signing of Javier Mascherano from West Ham in an 18-month loan deal that has bent football's rules.
Mascherano, who was deemed not good enough for West Ham's relegation battle by Alan Curbishley, will be thrust into Liverpool's Champions League campaign instead.
The signing is reward for Liverpool's patience.
They hoped to sign the Argentine midfield powerhouse, 22, at the start of the transfer window, but have had to wait while lawyers have thrashed out a deal with UEFA and FIFA, because players aren't supposed to move clubs twice in a season. Mascherano has already played for Corinthians, as well as West Ham.
The authorities finally agreed to cave in on the transfer and it will be announced tomorrow, on the final day of the transfer window.
Rafa Benitez last night saluted the signing. "We have an agreement to take him on loan for 18 months then we have an option to sign him permanently.
"He is a top class player and played at the top level at the World Cup. We were monitoring him when he was with River Plate. The only question is whether he can play to his level in England, but I know he can play a lot better than he did at West Ham.
"We don't have another holding midfielder and this is a crucial time for us. We will play against West Ham, Everton, Newcastle, Sheffield United and Barcelona twice."
Mascherano made only three Premiership starts with West Ham, and seven appearances altogether.
Benitez added: "Maybe Liverpool can be a better option for him because we can speak in Spanish to him and we play a different style of football that suits him better. Corinthians and River Plate are top sides in their countries and he is used to winning trophies. I think he will have more possibilities with us."
Benitez also explained why he expected to get his man. "There is a big difference between the law and the rules," he said. "A worker cannot be stopped working. That's the law in the European Community.
"Then there are the rules, which can change depending on your country or continent. There are players in the world now who have played for three or four clubs in a season.
"The rules are one thing, but the law is another. Nobody can stop people moving to other jobs. They have freedom and they need to work. The law is more important than the rules."
Liverpool are moving to secure the long-term future of a number of their top men because of a new regulation giving a player the right to buy out his contract when it entered the last two years.
Benitez confirmed that Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher would be offered new deals in the summer along with Spanish pair Xabi Alonso and Luis Garcia.
West Ham last night had a £2.5m offer turned down by Charlton for Icelandic central defender Hermann Hreidarsson.
Great news, hopefully he'll settle in better with liverpool, at least he'll be speaking the same language as half the team!
Seriously talented player but where will he fit in with alonso, sissoko & gerrard?
Possibly the talk of alonso leaving is true?
Dunno how I feel about this one. It's a loan deal so the risk is pretty low!!
Not sure how well he will fit into the liverpool set-up!! With Sissoko back ready in the next week or so is there much of a need for him? I don't doubt that he's a decent signing but i would hate to think that his coming could signal Alonso leaving!!
First and foremost he'll be cover for when 1 or 2 of Alonso, Gerrard, Sissoko are unavailable - so we should see no more of Bolo Zenden in centre midfield.
But it could also signal that we'll see more and more of the wing back formation, with three central midfielders.
I'm not sure the signing is in the bag just yet, but they are very hopeful that it will happen by the deadline.
Liverpool to land Malaga teenager
Liverpool are set to sign Spanish midfielder Francis Duran from Malaga, BBC Sport understands.
The 18-year-old is expected to be heading to Anfield on Tuesday to sign a contract with the Reds.
Duran made his debut with Malaga's first team earlier this month but does not have a professional contract with the second division club.
"It's a unique opportunity and I couldn't let it go by," Duran told the Spanish press.
Liverpool have continued their flurry of activity ahead of Wednesday night's transfer deadline by signing Deportivo La Coruna defender Alvaro Arbeloa.
With Rafa Benitez targeting three signings over the next couple of days, the centre back is travelling to Merseyside to undergo a medical.
Malaga's Francis Duran has agreed to his switch to Anfield and Javier Mascherano looks likely to obtain permission from FIFA to arrive from West Ham.
Benitez has looked to his homeland again to swoop for Arbeloa after thrashing out a deal with Depor.
"The club has got a very good investment," declared coach Joaquin Caparros in confirming the transfer.
Real Madrid are entitled to 50 percent of the profit on the money earned on the 24-year-old, who has made 14 appearances this term, after he started his career with the capital club
Phil Babb - Joe Guest destroyed him :-X - (lucky boy)
Rafael Benitez has made two changes to the Liverpool team for tonight's Premiership clash against West Ham.
Out go Jermaine Pennant and Fabio Aurelio, with Craig Bellamy and Sami Hyypia coming in to replace them.
Bellamy will form a three-pronged attack alongside Dirk Kuyt and Peter Crouch as Benitez opts for the system that worked so effectively at Watford recently.
Team in full:
Reina,
Finnan,
Riise,
Hyypia,
Agger,
Carragher,
Gerrard,
Alonso,
Crouch,
Kuyt,
Bellamy.
Subs – Dudek, Fowler, Gonzalez, Pennant, Zenden
Kuyt scores first 11 seconds into the 2nd half
Crouch doubles the lead
Another good result, although LFC were hanging on a bit at the end, albeit not too nervously really. I felt Rafa shouldn't have brought off Crouch, LFC were definitely in the ascendency at that point with the 3-4-3 formation. After Pennant and Gonzalez came on it was essentially 4-5-1.
No matter though, just 2 points behind the Russians now, I just hope the run goes on until the end of the season.
That Crouch goal was one of the goals of the season, the build-up was fantastic.
It was a good, old fashioned Pass and Move build up alright. Great finish as well, the way he opened up and side footed with the big size 17. Great ball be Riise onto his run though.
I feel sorry for the not-so-happy hammers. I hope they stay up.
Good win. Liverpool don't have a great record at Upton Park and this was the sort of match that they have tended to lose over the past decade or so. Two stunning goals too!
Three of the next four games are very tough, although three of them are at Anfield. Everton first, then Newcastle away and, after Sheffield United at home, United come to Anfield! The Barcelona games are in there too. Maybe its just as well Arsenal put us out of the cups!
Liverpool getting more rules bent to suit them today again...
1st it was entry to the Champs league, after finishing 5th!!!! Now they are allowed to sign inelgible players!
Rick Parry was Liverpool's best signing over the years!!!!!!
& David Dein at Arsenal - I don't trust him either!
(2 cracking goals last night though!)
Maybe I've been supporting Liverpool too long but I thought we were poor last night. I though Kuyt has a very poor first half (gave the ball away every time he touched it). In the second half after we were 2 up, West ham were left pass through the midfield way too easy, the West Ham goal was coming for a bit. Last 20 mins we were hanging on for dear life. Now the positives Agger looks better with each match, Gerrard hitting top form, great goals, 2nd was the best team goal for a bit. Finnan is class - Stan please take note. Tough run coming up. Rafa must really reject the start to the season now.
On the BBC site that the Liverpool board are stalling for more money from DIC.
Bit harsh SDC. I know what you are saying though. I wasn't blown away at all, and apart from a period of about 20 minutes where Liverpool tore them apart and could have scored 4 or 5, I don't think it was anything more than a 'satisfactory' performance.
I do like the fact that Rafa goes for the throat against teams LFC should be beating, 3-4-3 is positive formation.
I don't think LFC were really under severe pressure towards the end, but it was a bit uncomfortable.
There's no harm in bending the rules.
FIFA explained that its ruling was determined partly because the South American and European seasons overlap.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2007, 01:11:56 PM
There's no harm in bending the rules.
Typical Tyrone man view!!! ::) :P
DIC have pulled out. :o
I hope they pulled out in time ;D
Thats Granads fault, for wanting to review the share price because Gillet offered more. Shower of greedy cnuts! >:(
I think this is bad news.
I read the statement on the BBC website and they seem to be saying that they will not overpay for the club.
Hopefully this won't affect transfer deadline day deals.
im gutted dic pulled out,don't know what to make of this american fella but he hardly has as much cash as the arabs
Lets not jump the gun just yet, with Moores & Parry steering the ship they will be wanting the best possible deal on offer for the club
Quote from: Fr Ted on January 31, 2007, 05:32:32 PM
Lets not jump the gun just yet, with Moores & Parry steering the ship they will be wanting the best possible deal on offer for the club
Yer right there Ted(always wanted to post that!) .Moores and Parry are Liverpool through and through and will do the best for the club not themselves
Gillet is Canadian.
It is not Liverpool's fault. Granda have 9.9 % shares in Liverpool and they called a review of both offers, which must of put off DIC.
Gillett is American.
He owns a Canadian hockey team called the Montreal Canadiens - boooooooooooooooooooooo
aw i see, apologies. He is American then? thats much worse.
2201: LIVERPOOL buy/DEP. LA CORUNA & MALAGA sell
No sooner said than done. Liverpool land Spanish duo Alvaro Arbeloa and Francisco Manuel Duran. Defender Arbeloa, 24, is believed to have cost £2.6m from Deportivo La Coruna. As for 18-year-old midfielder Duran, he is for the youth ranks.
All in all i would have to say that rafa has generally bought well with the limited funds at his disposal, the squad is in much better shape than the 1 that he inherited. If the signings don't come up to scratch he gets rid quick smart. (bit of a ruthless streak). what would he not do with a bit of money to spend on a couple of world class players, which liverpool could do with to take them to the next level.
Just in - the taped converstion of the Gillette offer:
George Gillette : The name's Gillette. George Gillette. And I come before you good people tonight with an idea. Probably the greatest... Aw, it's not for you. It's more of a Shelbyville idea.
Moores : Now wait just a minute! We're twice as smart as the people of Shelbyville! Just tell us your idea and we'll vote for it!
Alvaro Arbeloa is a defender , but is he a centre half, left back or Right Back, does anyone know anything about this guy, we sold warnock is he the replacement ?
Heard he was a right back, cant see him pushing Finnan out!! ???
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2007, 08:44:21 PM
Gillett is American.
He owns a Canadian hockey team called the Montreal Canadiens - boooooooooooooooooooooo
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Quoteim gutted dic pulled out,don't know what to make of this american fella but he hardly has as much cash as the arabs
Would you try and live in the real world for God's sake. No-one (bar Roman Abramovich and Jack Walker a while back when it was a lot cheaper) is going to buy a soccer club and throw good money after bad to buy players to keep fans happy. Just be hopeful the buyer is not a leech like Glazer though it's most likely that he will be to an extent anyway. As for Parry and Moores not looking out for themselves......
Iirhs bid from Co Down man John Milliskey now being considered.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on February 01, 2007, 09:26:35 AM
Just in - the taped converstion of the Gillette offer:
George Gillette : The name's Gillette. George Gillette. And I come before you good people tonight with an idea. Probably the greatest... Aw, it's not for you. It's more of a Shelbyville idea.
Moores : Now wait just a minute! We're twice as smart as the people of Shelbyville! Just tell us your idea and we'll vote for it!
Monorail. Monorail. Monorail!!! :D Nice one SDC. Let's hope the new stadium doesn't go the same way as the Monorail...
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 01, 2007, 06:05:38 PM
Quoteim gutted dic pulled out,don't know what to make of this american fella but he hardly has as much cash as the arabs
Would you try and live in the real world for God's sake. No-one (bar Roman Abramovich and Jack Walker a while back when it was a lot cheaper) is going to buy a soccer club and throw good money after bad to buy players to keep fans happy. Just be hopeful the buyer is not a leech like Glazer though it's most likely that he will be to an extent anyway. As for Parry and Moores not looking out for themselves......
Everyones entitled to their own views and concerns it doesn't mean im living in a fantasy world,And i believe Moore and Parry while obviously are trying to make a few quid for themselves are still trying to secure Liverpool Football Club's future and won't sell out just too make a quick buck
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6323037.stm
QuoteLiverpool have agreed a deal with American tycoons George Gillett and Tom Hicks, who are set to complete their takeover of the club early next week.
Gillett and Hicks flew to England earlier this week for a secret meeting with senior Liverpool officials.
They persuaded the club to stall talks with Dubai International Capital, which had been expected to buy out the club.
Hicks and Gillett will split the £470m takeover on a 50-50 basis with £215m of that earmarked for a new stadium.
Gillett owns National Hockey League side Montreal Canadiens while Hicks owns rival NHL franchise Dallas Stars as well as the Texas Rangers baseball team.
Hicks has built up a reputation for developing state-of-the-art new stadia for his teams and his participation was a key factor in Liverpool deciding to go with the US bid.
The other issue which clinched the deal is the Americans guaranteed that Liverpool's new stadium on Stanley Park would not be on a groundshare basis, which had been Gillett's original plan when he was considering a solo takeover.
Gillett has impressed Liverpool with his proposals and the speed at which he completed due diligence - the process of investigation by potential investors - in three days.
The 68-year-old American has also stressed his experience in running successful sporting operations.
However, the Independent has claimed that Gillett's business empire collapsed in 1992, leading to a £33.7m personal bankruptcy.
Gillett and Hicks have worked together in the past on the board of a major US meat-processing firm.
Their idea to take over Liverpool gathered force when they met at the NHL All-Star Game last week.
It would be the first time that two owners of rival sports clubs in one league have combined to purchase a club in another.
I feel a lot better knowing there's someone else coming in with him - and this fella Hicks seems to know what he is at
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 03, 2007, 01:40:42 PM
Finding it hard to break Everton down they are well organised at the back,hope we're not going to drop valuable points here
Half time : Liverpool 0-0 Everton
are you watching it on the internet? its on PPMate and the quality isnt bad, its on ESPN
reds were poor and looked like they lacked ideas. glad to see fowler on put would have taken off Bellamy and Crouch, and looked for balls to feet from a bit of width. Everton dealt very well with the high ball in and yet Liverpool had no other ideas. very disappointing day at the office for a lot of players, and to be fair for Benitez also
Fowler is to fat an old to be playing in the PL. why did reds by him? i dono. he was crap at Man shitty an he is not gona do anything for reds this year. hes passed it. End of story.
Quote from: Armagh4SamAgain on February 03, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
Fowler is to fat an old to be playing in the PL. why did reds by him? i dono. he was crap at Man shitty an he is not gona do anything for reds this year. hes passed it. End of story.
Fowler did the business for Liverpool in the run-in last season, getting a few vital goals at a time when Liverpool were struggling with the likes of Morientes and Ciise. While he may be surplus to requirements at this stage, he's still scored a goal for every three appearances this season, which is not bad given that most of them have come in the form of late substitute appearances.
I remember when Man Utd was bought by the yanks every Liverpool was laughing..................well who's laughing now boys??? ;)
PS Good result yesterday :-*
Quote from: cicfada on February 04, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
I remember when Man Utd was bought by the yanks every Liverpool was laughing..................well who's laughing now boys??? ;)
"Football fans in hypocrisy shocker!!"
At least you won't have Liverpool fans flouncing off to form FC Liverpool of Anfield and thinking they're somehow the keepers of the flame ;)
Quote from: cicfada on February 04, 2007, 08:23:00 AMPS Good result yesterday :-*
Terrible result against a shower of small time Charlies.
Everton FC - The Small Club
Poor performance from everton. johnson should have won the game but 4 points from a possible 6 against the bin dippers is a good season's work.
Quote from: Uladh on February 04, 2007, 11:27:58 AM
Poor performance from everton. johnson should have won the game but 4 points from a possible 6 against the bin dippers is a good season's work.
If Liverpool fans are 'bindippers', what does that make Everton fans? :D
Quote from: cicfada on February 04, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
I remember when Man Utd was bought by the yanks every Liverpool was laughing..................well who's laughing now boys??? ;)
I think you might want to check out the difference between investment and indebtedness. I've no problem with anybody (American or otherwise) investing in Liverpool. The issue with the Glazers and ManUre was that they didn't invest a brass farthing, they took out a £600 million plus mortgage which took ManUre from one of the richest and most profitable clubs in the World to being one bad season away from bankruptcy. Hardly the same thing.
Quote from: SammyG on February 04, 2007, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: cicfada on February 04, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
I remember when Man Utd was bought by the yanks every Liverpool was laughing..................well who's laughing now boys??? ;)
I think you might want to check out the difference between investment and indebtedness. I've no problem with anybody (American or otherwise) investing in Liverpool. The issue with the Glazers and ManUre was that they didn't invest a brass farthing, they took out a £600 million plus mortgage which took ManUre from one of the richest and most profitable clubs in the World to being one bad season away from bankruptcy. Hardly the same thing.
Both franchises being owned by Yanks...the same thing!!
Quote from: cicfada on February 04, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
I remember when Man Utd was bought by the yanks every Liverpool was laughing..................well who's laughing now boys??? ;)
PS Good result yesterday :-*
Rafa Benitaz to get a transfer kitty of 250million Alex Ferguson got exactly how much off the Glaziers?
Having a transfer kitty that size will bring its own problems, inflated prices, unscrupulous agents, panic buys.... we don't know how much he has or hasn't but if he wants a player he will get he money, he has went after 2 players from the start of the season, all he wants is OH and thats that.
Spend wisely
Yeah true square ball i was only making a point that there is a great difference between the Glaziers takeover of Man United and this Americans takeover of Liverpool
Quote from: deiseach on February 04, 2007, 11:43:32 AM
If Liverpool fans are 'bindippers', what does that make Everton fans? :D
The more integrated and domesticated of the species...
Upon completion of the takeover at Anfield yesterday, the new owners declared the old Liverpool crest would be replaced with a more modern look.
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I'm sure it has already done the rounds....
Scouts have prepared a guide to the Liverpool Reds
>
> Jose (Pep) Reina
>
> Netminder with an impressive 19 shutouts this regular season. Save
> average of .854 in last five outs. Replaces New Jerzy Dudek as
> first-choice goaltender after veteran's series of high-profile
> handling errors. Nicknamed after Pep Le Pew, the cheese-eating
> surrender skunk.
>
> James 'The Minister Of Defense' Carragher
>
> Captain of defense and native 'Scouser'. 2963 minutes of field time
> with powerplay change-up stats of 5-6-3. Awesome displays in penalty
> zone versus aerial offense plays. Awesome displays at club Christmas
> parties. Distribution ranked only 245th in EPL. Note: communication
> may be difficult as James does not speak English.
>
> Steve O'Finnan
>
> Defensive cornerback/outside linebacker ranked six in division for
> forward offense running plays. Highly-rated change-up, groundspeed.
> 245 defensive tackle ratio. Proud Irishman: merchandising
> opportunities with millions of east coast Americans who are 1/64 from
> Cork. Vital cornerman, new shorts.
>
> Sam Hyypia
>
> Veteran centerblocker famed for aerial rebound ability,
> composureability, although lacks change-up, questions over groundplay
> v forwards with nimbleness quotient. Radical air with headbombs from
> special plays ensures a conversions per season tally average of six.
> Hails from Finlandland, a country in Europe that is part of the 'Axis
> Of Pleasantness'.
>
> John-Arnold Riise
>
> Cornerman who regularly features in goalshot of the month sweeps with
> a left peg rated in top five nationwide for sweetness. Rookie,
> sophomore seasons raised expectations of possible Hall of Famer status
> but recent semesters have seen the person of redly-challenged hair
> demoted to bullpen on occasion. 7-6-8.
>
> Gerrard Steven
>
> Team MVP, captain and midfielderman famed for power running, pass
> accuracy, assists. Has dressed as center, right wingerbacker
> (offensive and defensive) and even as secondary power forward. Can
> rush goal or sit back in the pocket. Career high came in Pro-Ball
> showdown against the Milan Tumblers in Istanbul (believed site of
> WMD).
>
> Craig Bellamy
>
> Controversial wide receiver/goal forward rated division's third most
> likely player to face red card takedown in grudge slams. Lightning
> fast in joggy work down winglines, although critics question net
> targeting infield. Has switched franchises several times in career
> amid rumors of all-star level jackassery.
>
> Robert Bernard Fowler
>
> Veteran strike attacker and all-time Liverpool Reds Hall of Famer.
> Once considered league MVP for shotzone rebounds and accuracy in the
> paint. Famously flagged on field for displaying his tight end to
> opponent Graeme Le Saux, and for calling into question The War On
> Drugs.
>
> Xavi Alonso (ITA)
>
> 6-5-7, 12, 468, 0.43, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 98632548, 1, 1, 0 (?), 0, 1. 0.3.
>
> Jermaine Pennant
>
> Wide receiver/running forward has rushed for over 1,000 yards in
> Liverpool Reds rookie season. Crossfields delivery success rate well
> into point-seven-ohs, play action, sprinty, jigglebomb, DUI. 6.662.
> Off-field activities saw him given bum's rush from Steve Bruskowski's
> Birmingham Brums. Only soccerplayer on roster with a sensible
> sportsman's name.
>
> Peter Crouch Jr
>
> Power forward who could have potential if consortium moves into NBA.
> Noted for headbomb assists, ganglyhole, salmon leap, robotics. 0.673,
> runners batted in, three points. Traded several times early in career
> but has flourished under head coach Benitez at the Anfield Taco
> Bellodrome.
Rafa got manager of the month for Jan as well
We need to stop buying second rate crap like Pennant and go for the real, to use an american phrase, "marquee" players if we are to ever win the league again......
JACK TODD in Montreal, CanWest News Service
Published: Thursday, February 08, 2007
George Gillett Jr. hung a left on his way into the presser in the bowels of the
Bell Centre yesterday.
It was the only wrong turn he made all morning.
Between watching his Montreal Canadiens defeat the Pittsburgh Penguins on Sunday afternoon and seeing them lose to the Hurricanes on Tuesday night, Gillett had flown to Liverpool and back -- and all he brought us was this lousy soccer team. Just kidding.
With deep pockets partner Tom Hicks of the Texas Rangers and Dallas Stars, Gillett had just acquired fabled Liverpool. Now he was back, a little the worse for jet lag, and ready to explain things to the supporters of his other team, the Montreal Canadiens. When after half an hour or so Habs VP Donald Beauchamp tried to rescue him from further questions, Gillett held up a hand.
"It's OK," he said. "This is home, I'm here, let's talk a while."
And he went on for another 45 minutes, addressing everything from the effect this will have on the Canadiens (none) to the future of the NHL on television (where Gillett believes high-definition has the power to bring a real sense of the game to Americans who don't understand the speed or the impact of hockey.) It was quite a performance.
You could say that Gillett made a lot of friends in that room yesterday, but Gillett never had any real enemies here anyway. What he demonstrated, especially given the jet lag, was that he is an excellent communicator and an effervescent salesman with a wide-ranging grasp of the issues in big-time professional sports in the 21st century.
He also showed that he could probably sell a few trainloads of ice to Winnipeg right now -- but that is part of Gillett's charm. Whereas fellow Americans Malcolm Glazer (at Manchester United) and Randy Lerner (Aston Villa) have alienated supporters of their teams by refusing to have anything to do with either the media or the fans, Gillett revels in rubbing elbows with both those who cover his teams and those who pay the bills by purchasing the tickets.
"It's not that they're doing anything wrong," Gillett said of Glazer and Lerner, "it's just a difference of style."
On that point we disagree. It is a difference of style, but it goes much deeper than that. What Glazer and Lerner have done is flat wrong. Whether the team is the Canadiens or the Reds or AC Milan, owning an institution in which fans have invested so much blood, sweat and tears (not to mention their hard-earned cash) is a public trust and it comes with public obligations.
Gillett is popular here because he has shown again and again that he has a sense of that public trust. When he talked about walking alone at Anfield yesterday and visiting the sacred Kop, the menacing terrace that puts the fear in visiting teams and is one of the most legendary spots in all of soccer, you believed that he felt the tradition and that it really meant something to him.
While Gillett downplayed concerns over any negative impact the Liverpool deal might have on the Canadiens, he also pointed the way to the potential for the two teams (Gillett was soundly spanked on the other side of the pond for using the word "franchise" in Liverpool, an Americanism that did not go over well with the leftish supporters of the Reds) to grow together in ways that are a little more concrete than that woolly business term "synergy" usually suggests.
First there is Hicks with his extensive cable and Fox Sports holdings in Central and South America. Then there is Gillett. While he may not have pockets as deep as Hicks, he has the vision and the gift for salesmanship of what is already a hugely popular international brand.
"In Greater Europe, Liverpool is the No. 1 brand in Europe," Gillett said. "If you go to the Far East, where Manchester United has historically been the No. 1 brand, Chelsea has recently become quite popular. They have a global branding concept which involves playing a number of games in the Far East.
"In that part of the world, Liverpool is No. 2 and growing. We have had conversations with management in the last several months and I believe you will see Liverpool playing some friendlies in Asia. I think you'll see Japan first in this coming year and then others beyond that.
"We have looked at the possibility of branding in a different way in that investments in soccer clubs in emerging parts of the world might be part of our strategy. There is a strong consciousness within the Liverpool family about the world-wide aspects of the sport. When you see the number of people who watched the World Cup, it was something like 2.3-billion people.
"You have the Texas Rangers in baseball, which is hugely popular in the Far East, the Dallas Stars, the Montreal Canadiens, the Liverpool Football Club and our family's involvement with NASCAR. You've got four unbelievably popular sports with growing international interest. If we get a hard-hitting marketing team that could provide potential sponsors with that array of opportunity, that's something I don't think has ever been put together before.
"There's a unique opportunity because the market is demanding it. If you look at the new sponsors in the Premiership within the past five years, more than a third of them are from Asia. There are something like 1,000 new Mercedes dealerships in China. The greatest amount of true new wealth in the world is in Russia. This alliance could have some interesting benefits for all of us."
We won't dwell on the potential negatives here, such as cigarette sponsorships in Asia or the global warming implications of all those Mercedes dealerships in China. But when you look at these far-flung sports and business empires, Gillett is now at the epicenter of one and it is likely not a bad thing for the Canadiens to tag along. At the end of the day, we were left with only one real regret: it's a pity Gillett didn't see the same potential in the Montreal Expos. He's the one guy who might have saved the team.
Did everything but score- 3rd place is dicey. Cannot see any joy from Barcelona.
Reading a great book at the moment maybe some of ye have already read it but if not i highly recommend it
It's called 'A season on the brink'-A portrait of Rafael Benitez's Liverpool and it's wrote by Guillem Balague who some may know from Sky Sports La Liga coverage
It's based around the Champions League winning season and gives a great insight into Benitez's life,personality,his love for footbal,realationships withplayers etc
Some of the writing just makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck as he desribes the Liverpool dressing room at half time in Istanbul
A great read
I have just started reading it, its a great read.Its only 5 or 6 quid on Play.com. Cant believe Benitez was getting so much shit when we got put out of the two bullshit cup competitions, ringleader of course was that gobshite tosser Andy Gray. If i had a good shot on him i would take the turd out.
By Dominic Herbert & Anthony Kastrinakis
A FUN sing-song turned into a vicious punch-up as Liverpool ace Craig Bellamy saw red and waded into team-mate John Arne Riise in a drunken rage.
The sensational bust-up erupted in the early hours of Friday at the team's Portuguese hotel after a marathon boozing session.
An eye witness says the feuding Premiership stars:
TRADED INSULTS during a bar's karaoke contest when Riise refused to take the stage,
SCREAMED ABUSE as they faced each other toe to toe,
TOTTERED back to their training camp base at 2am,
FOUGHT in a hotel as Bellamy lashed out at Riise's £5 million legs with a golf club, until the pair were
SEPARATED by head coach Rafael Benitez.
The outrage has massive implications for both players and the club, who have just been taken over by new American owners.
Tycoon co-chairmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks who invested £470 million were said to be furious that their name has been dragged through the mud just before a vital Champions League clash with Barcelona on Wednesday—their most important match this year.
Insiders have predicted it could spell the end of 27-year-old bad boy Bellamy's career at Anfield.
The astonishing incident kicked off at Monty's Restaurant and Bar in the upmarket Algarve Vale do Lobo resort where Welsh international Bellamy and Norwegian World Cup hero Riise, 25, were winding down with colleagues after five days' training in preparation for Wednesday.
An inside source revealed: "There had been a lot of drinking and everyone was enjoying themselves.
"But it all went wrong when Craig tried to drag John up for a song.
"There was a karaoke competition going on, but John's a quiet one off the pitch and wasn't having it at all.
"It started off as a bit of a lark with some of the other lads having a go but then it got completely out of hand. John went ballistic because Craig wouldn't take no for an answer. He was screaming at Craig to leave him alone, saying he wouldn't do it and yelling insults.
"Everyone was completely stunned by it because they were really having a go, standing there toe to toe swearing at each other. There were about 20 players in the bar including all the senior guys, like Steven Gerrard, Peter Crouch and Dirk Kuyt.
"They were warned to keep a lid on it and it appeared to calm down.
"It was really late, about 2am, and the players eventually started drifting off to bed. But Craig, who was sharing with Steve Finnan, was so wound up he couldn't sleep.
"He suddenly grabbed a golf club and went looking for John. And when he found him he waded in, hacking at his legs with the club.
"All hell was let loose and John suffered a lot of bruising. Craig was out of control and shouting that John had belittled him in front of the lads."
Eventually coach Benitez was called to separate the two stars. The boss was said to be horrified and called both players to an emergency summit after they sobered up.
Benitez had plenty to worry about. Unconfirmed reports in a local newspaper said one footballer had also been handcuffed after allegedly trying to headbutt a policeman.
And it was claimed other players smashed electrical equipment in the resort with their golf clubs.
Staff at the four-star Barringtons Centro Deportivo hotel were ordered to keep quiet about the disturbance.
"The players flew back to Britain on Friday and were trying to keep a lid on the shameful incident.
But our source said: "With Liverpool just about to play one of the most important matches in their history this is the last thing they need.
"The break was meant to be a bit of rest and recreation with light training to get the team acclimatised for the Nou Camp on Wednesday, but this fight has ruined everything.
"It has heaped disgrace on the club when all the attention should be focused on what happens on the pitch. The new owners can't understand how grown men can behave like this. They believe the club's reputation is in the gutter and find it incredible that this should happen just before the Barcelona game.
"If Liverpool lose the match because of this there'll be hell to pay."
Riise's teammates are shocked at Bellamy's attack on a fellow professional and friend. A source said: "To smash a golf club into a fellow player's legs is unforgivable.
"It's the worst place ever to attack a footballer. Damaged legs are no good to anyone in this business and Riise is known for his trademark blockbusting shots.
"It's like deliberately trying to break someone's leg on the pitch — however cross or angry you are, it's a no-brainer. You just can't do it.
"John was mortified when Craig came bursting into his room like that. Anything could have happened."
It is not clear what punishments the players face. But hard-line Spaniard Benitez is unlikely to tolerate such loutish behaviour ever again and at the very least is expected to fine both men heavily.
One insider said: "Some people feel it's time to ship Bellamy out so he can be someone else's problem."
A Liverpool spokesman said: "We're not prepared to make any comment."
Bloody hell, what sort of professional footballer tries to deliberatly ruin a fellow pros careerer, never mind a team mates. I wonder will he ever play again for Liverpool?
where was this report taken from?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 18, 2007, 05:13:05 AM
By Dominic Herbert & Anthony Kastrinakis
A FUN sing-song turned into a vicious punch-up as Liverpool ace Craig Bellamy saw red and waded into team-mate John Arne Riise in a drunken rage.
The sensational bust-up erupted in the early hours of Friday at the team's Portuguese hotel after a marathon boozing session.
An eye witness says the feuding Premiership stars:
TRADED INSULTS during a bar's karaoke contest when Riise refused to take the stage,
SCREAMED ABUSE as they faced each other toe to toe,
TOTTERED back to their training camp base at 2am,
FOUGHT in a hotel as Bellamy lashed out at Riise's £5 million legs with a golf club, until the pair were
SEPARATED by head coach Rafael Benitez.
The outrage has massive implications for both players and the club, who have just been taken over by new American owners.
Tycoon co-chairmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks who invested £470 million were said to be furious that their name has been dragged through the mud just before a vital Champions League clash with Barcelona on Wednesday—their most important match this year.
Insiders have predicted it could spell the end of 27-year-old bad boy Bellamy's career at Anfield.
The astonishing incident kicked off at Monty's Restaurant and Bar in the upmarket Algarve Vale do Lobo resort where Welsh international Bellamy and Norwegian World Cup hero Riise, 25, were winding down with colleagues after five days' training in preparation for Wednesday.
An inside source revealed: "There had been a lot of drinking and everyone was enjoying themselves.
"But it all went wrong when Craig tried to drag John up for a song.
"There was a karaoke competition going on, but John's a quiet one off the pitch and wasn't having it at all.
"It started off as a bit of a lark with some of the other lads having a go but then it got completely out of hand. John went ballistic because Craig wouldn't take no for an answer. He was screaming at Craig to leave him alone, saying he wouldn't do it and yelling insults.
"Everyone was completely stunned by it because they were really having a go, standing there toe to toe swearing at each other. There were about 20 players in the bar including all the senior guys, like Steven Gerrard, Peter Crouch and Dirk Kuyt.
"They were warned to keep a lid on it and it appeared to calm down.
"It was really late, about 2am, and the players eventually started drifting off to bed. But Craig, who was sharing with Steve Finnan, was so wound up he couldn't sleep.
"He suddenly grabbed a golf club and went looking for John. And when he found him he waded in, hacking at his legs with the club.
"All hell was let loose and John suffered a lot of bruising. Craig was out of control and shouting that John had belittled him in front of the lads."
Eventually coach Benitez was called to separate the two stars. The boss was said to be horrified and called both players to an emergency summit after they sobered up.
Benitez had plenty to worry about. Unconfirmed reports in a local newspaper said one footballer had also been handcuffed after allegedly trying to headbutt a policeman.
And it was claimed other players smashed electrical equipment in the resort with their golf clubs.
Staff at the four-star Barringtons Centro Deportivo hotel were ordered to keep quiet about the disturbance.
"The players flew back to Britain on Friday and were trying to keep a lid on the shameful incident.
But our source said: "With Liverpool just about to play one of the most important matches in their history this is the last thing they need.
"The break was meant to be a bit of rest and recreation with light training to get the team acclimatised for the Nou Camp on Wednesday, but this fight has ruined everything.
"It has heaped disgrace on the club when all the attention should be focused on what happens on the pitch. The new owners can't understand how grown men can behave like this. They believe the club's reputation is in the gutter and find it incredible that this should happen just before the Barcelona game.
"If Liverpool lose the match because of this there'll be hell to pay."
Riise's teammates are shocked at Bellamy's attack on a fellow professional and friend. A source said: "To smash a golf club into a fellow player's legs is unforgivable.
"It's the worst place ever to attack a footballer. Damaged legs are no good to anyone in this business and Riise is known for his trademark blockbusting shots.
"It's like deliberately trying to break someone's leg on the pitch — however cross or angry you are, it's a no-brainer. You just can't do it.
"John was mortified when Craig came bursting into his room like that. Anything could have happened."
It is not clear what punishments the players face. But hard-line Spaniard Benitez is unlikely to tolerate such loutish behaviour ever again and at the very least is expected to fine both men heavily.
One insider said: "Some people feel it's time to ship Bellamy out so he can be someone else's problem."
A Liverpool spokesman said: "We're not prepared to make any comment."
I can't believe this is it true? I don't see anything about it on sky news
Quote from: Square Ball on February 18, 2007, 12:35:24 PM
Bloody hell, what sort of professional footballer tries to deliberatly ruin a fellow pros careerer, never mind a team mates. I wonder will he ever play again for Liverpool?
where was this report taken from?
News of the Screws.
There is reference to it on bbc website. Bellamy will never change, once a gypo always a gypo........
If that's how Liverpool try to prepare to win the European Cup 6 times then so be it... ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 18, 2007, 04:33:47 PM
If that's how Liverpool try to prepare to win the European Cup 6 times then so be it... ;)
Farandeelin.....Salford City Reds will not be preparing to win a 6th European Cup in your lifetime.
Bellamy is filth. He fits into the Liverpool set-up so well. ;)
see barca are getting beat 2 0
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 18, 2007, 07:04:09 PM
Bellamy is filth. He fits into the Liverpool set-up so well. ;)
Over the bar....Fair comment he should have behaved a bit better, like that deceased wifebeating, alcoholic waster you Salford City supporters hold in such high regard......
News of the World? Must be true. ::)
syd you are a fool
QuoteOver the bar....Fair comment he should have behaved a bit better, like that deceased wifebeating, alcoholic waster you Salford City supporters hold in such high regard......
He had talent tho. Bellamy's just a dwarf who can run fast.
He really utilised that talent,was it 6 months or something he played for United for? his main talent was in the players lounge after the matches.Bellamy might be a tool but we have the right manager to deal with him, not a manager that spends half his days in a brandy induced haze... ;)
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on February 18, 2007, 07:31:04 PM
He really utilised that talent,was it 6 months or something he played for United for? his main talent was in the players lounge after the matches.Bellamy might be a tool but we have the right manager to deal with him, not a manager that spends half his days in a brandy induced haze... ;)
what manager would that be?
Quote from: superblues on February 18, 2007, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on February 18, 2007, 07:31:04 PM
He really utilised that talent,was it 6 months or something he played for United for? his main talent was in the players lounge after the matches.Bellamy might be a tool but we have the right manager to deal with him, not a manager that spends half his days in a brandy induced haze... ;)
what manager would that be?
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Alex "Rosey Cheeks" Ferguson
Team for wednesday.
Reina
Carragher, Hyppia, Agger
Finnan Riise
Gerrard, Sissoko, Alonso
Crouch, Kuyt
If reports are true about Bellend he should be sold in the summer if not immediately. Northern Ireland fans were lambasted for booing him apparently because he played for celtic, ballax its because he's a wee tr**p and one of the most hated players currently in the premiership. These recent reports only back this up
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: superblues on February 18, 2007, 07:34:55 PM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on February 18, 2007, 07:31:04 PM
He really utilised that talent,was it 6 months or something he played for United for? his main talent was in the players lounge after the matches.Bellamy might be a tool but we have the right manager to deal with him, not a manager that spends half his days in a brandy induced haze... ;)
what manager would that be?
Alex "Rosey Cheeks" Ferguson
If Benitez manages to finish within 10 points of "rosey cheeks" he'll be doing well, never mind win a premier league title.
thats a bit rough on Fergie, you'll drive a fair way to find another manager like him.
(http://www.peasepud.com/temp/bellers_golf.jpg)
Over The Bar......I wonder will it take Fergie another 13 yrs to win the European Cup again.....
Joking aside, Bellamy chose the wrong club for this kind of nonsense.
Ye shoudda used a four iron.
Liverpool have had some mad parties in the past, whether it invloves players cavorting with strippers in front of a disgusted Michael Owen or Don Hutchison running round naked apart from a beermat covering his c**k.
QuoteLiverpool have had some mad parties in the past, whether it invloves players cavorting with strippers in front of a disgusted Michael Owen or Don Hutchison running round naked apart from a beermat covering his c**k.
Was it a beer-mat or Stevie G's missus?
QuoteOver The Bar......I wonder will it take Fergie another 13 yrs to win the European Cup again.....
Who's to know sydney? Will liverpool win the title again before their 20th anniversary?
Not sure, you will be the first to know. Why dont you fcuk off back over to the Man Utd board.......Whenever youse win 5 of them come back and talk to me or on second thoughts........
Didn't want to start a new thread on this one, but can any of the Liverpool fans here recommend a good website for getting a tickets, flight and accommodation deal for Liverpool home matches? Wanting to buy for someone as a present but have never gone over before, can anyone help?
Am I better to book flights separately or go for a bundled deal?
Thanks in advance...
(http://chelsea2.chelseafc.com/chat/uploads/54312414.jpg)
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on February 18, 2007, 06:08:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 18, 2007, 04:33:47 PM
If that's how Liverpool try to prepare to win the European Cup 6 times then so be it... ;)
Farandeelin.....Salford City Reds will not be preparing to win a 6th European Cup in your lifetime.
Well I'm only 19 so there's plenty of time... I bet in 1990 you didn't think we'd be chasing 16 League titles 17 years on!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 19, 2007, 04:32:08 PM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on February 18, 2007, 06:08:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 18, 2007, 04:33:47 PM
If that's how Liverpool try to prepare to win the European Cup 6 times then so be it... ;)
Farandeelin.....Salford City Reds will not be preparing to win a 6th European Cup in your lifetime.
Well I'm only 19 so there's plenty of time... I bet in 1990 you didn't think we'd be chasing 16 League titles 17 years on!
Well i would have to take issue with that son, in almost 21 years of managing that shower Alex "Lush" Ferguson has won the European Cup precisely once so at this rate you will be getting your arse cleaned in a nursing home by the time you are ready to win it 6 times.......
Is Voronin really what we are looking for? 5 goals this season, 6 in 40 appearances for Ukraine. He is not exactly the kind of blue chip player i thought we would be going for with our apparent new wealth.I have a feeling we will be another 8-10 goal a season man and we have enough of those......
Mascherano cleared to join Reds (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6379977.stm)
Finally
QuoteJavier Mascherano has been cleared to play for Liverpool this season after the Premier League accepted the club's request to register him at Anfield.
The Argentine midfielder, 22, agreed to join the Reds before the close of the transfer window last month.
The deal was held up as the Premier League wanted to assess whether the relationship between club and player was "subject to third-party influence".
But the Premier League is now satisfied the move does not breach its rules.
A statement on the Premier League's website read: "The Premier League has confirmed that the application by Liverpool FC to register Javier Mascherano as a player has been accepted.
"The Premier League is satisfied that the contractual arrangements proposed by Liverpool FC are consistent with its rules; particularly that the relationship between club and player is not subject to third-party influence.
"The Premier League is grateful for Liverpool FC's cooperation and openness at the start and throughout the process."
QuoteIs Voronin really what we are looking for? 5 goals this season, 6 in 40 appearances for Ukraine. He is not exactly the kind of blue chip player i thought we would be going for with our apparent new wealth.
It seems Benitez like his predecessor is very much a quantity rather than quality kinda guy when it comes to buying players. Will be interesting to see if the new owners wish to keep him at the helm come the end of the year.
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/Bellamy.jpg)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/Riise.jpg)
All friends again training in the Nou Camp tonight?
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 20, 2007, 04:30:26 PM
QuoteIs Voronin really what we are looking for? 5 goals this season, 6 in 40 appearances for Ukraine. He is not exactly the kind of blue chip player i thought we would be going for with our apparent new wealth.
It seems Benitez like his predecessor is very much a quantity rather than quality kinda guy when it comes to buying players. Will be interesting to see if the new owners wish to keep him at the helm come the end of the year.
Apparently Voronin has been lined up as a replacement for Fowler, so he must be happy to come in as a back-up. Not the most exciting of signings, that's for sure.
I cannot see how Benitez' position could be in jeopardy though. Who else is going to come in and do a better job? Personally, as a Liverpool fan, I'm perfectly content with his performance so far. He would need to get the team playing from the start next season though.
Apparently Riise is out, he's feeling a bit below par. He has got a fairway to go before he's better. Of course, he reckons Bellamy is driving him mad and that he has a huge chip on his shoulder, although that might be putting it mildly. He said he wood be feeling a bit rough in the morning and he was looking a little green, although he'd probably feel better after a sandwedge and some tee.
Firstly, these golfing puns have to stop, they're no longer funny, if they were ever.
Secondly, Eto is out tonight, left out of the squad altogether.
Here hoping for a game as boring as the 0-0 achieved by Houllier in the semi final of the Uefa cup in '01.
Champions League 0-0 in '02 deserves another notable mention (although Liverpool did cross the half way line in '02).
Papers predict a defensive team, had to blame Rafa, last think we want is to be chasing 0-2 score line (or worse) in Anfield.
Was at the Barca - Racing game in the Nou Camp 2 weeks ago, Barca looked awesome that night, a good splattering of Liverpool tops in Barca that night too.
And just for good measure a Dublin top.....I was in a Liverpool top. Locals expect to go through easily enough.
Can't wait for tonight and i think it will be more exciting than then time Houlliers team went,Rafa is the Euro tactic's king and i fully expect us to get at the very least a draw but i also fancy us getting the away goal.
Barcelona are in a bit of turmoil at the moment and after watching them sunday night against valencia they looked awful
Pool will never get a better chance to beat the Catalans. I wouldnt use the word turmoil but they are not the team they were last year. The Eto'o situation is damaging but Messi is back and has looked sharp.
The "nutter with the putter" mess may have upset Pools plans as Bellamy would be the ideal player V Barca due to his pace and the the fact that Barca conceded 2 on Sunday to a counter attacking Valencia team.
The one huge worry Pool should have is the fact that the most similar team to Barca they have played all year is Arsenal and received a few tankings..
Alvaro Arbeloa will make his first start for Liverpool against Barcelona in tonight's Champions League last sixteen first leg tie.
The recent signing from Deportivo La Coruna has been named in Rafa Benitez's starting eleven for big clash in the Nou Camp.
Team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Riise, Agger, Carragher, Finnan, Gerrard, Alonso, Sissoko, Kuyt, Bellamy. Subs - Dudek, Hyypia, Pennant, Crouch, Gonzalez, Mascherano, Zenden.
Barcelona 1
Liverpool 0
Brilliant goal by Deco, Gerrard pulled out of a tackle and they were in like a flash!!Sorry to all my Liverpool supporting pals here!! :'(
Half an hour gone and Liverpool will do well to go into the dressingroom only 1 down and then anything can happen in the second half.
1-1
Terrible goalkeeping by Valdez!
1 each.....
bellamy!
What a celebration!!
please tell me he did a golf swing
He did, very funny :D
He was 100-1 to score and do that today
Bellamy to Riise...2-1!!!
Well deserved - Riise with his right (foot that is)
pick it fuckin out.....
yeah good goal, you'd have to fancy Liverpool now in the home leg as well.In fact you'd have to fancy all 4 english teams to advance now to be honest.If there was 1 english team that are fickle mentally it's Utd but they are a goal ahead and an away goal as well!
Great result lads, dont think Barcelona will be as bad at Anfield though. I wouldnt swap Benitez for any manager in the world....
GET the Fcuk in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pity it's not here until 3am
Fuckin brilliant...Great preformance all round Thought Sissoko was excellent but the yellow card he has is a worry for future rounds if we get through
Riise took his goal well and great celebration from Bellamy
Come on the Pool ;D
While basking in a great win my mind wandered back to when beloved Arsenal hammered us in The Rumbelows Cup or whatever its called now, that managerial heavyweight (sacked at Walsall) & cokehead Paul Merson was berating Benitez on Sky for picking a weak team. He said he had lost the plot and said all they had to play for now was the Barcelona matches, Jamie Redknapp piped up that Liverpool could beat Barcelona, at which point the smackhead started pishing himself laughing as if to say "they have no f**king chance".......I wonder does he even know what day it is today???
Liverpool are going to get battered in the second leg
(Guess who's going to be there to bring his unique brand of hex?) :-[
Got a feeling Liverpool will win the return leg quite well.
Very sweet win (keeping the tie alive was my primary wish!), but its far from over. Barcelona are well capable of coming to Anfield and getting the goals they need.
Funny game. Pool winning in the Nou camp and not playing well..
The tie is theirs to lose at this stage. Barca heads dropped when Pool got level, and as long as they didnt get blown away in the 1st half you always fancied Pool to get something out of game. There actually was a 3rd goal there if they were more positive.
They might get a fright or 2 in Anfield but shouldnt blow it.
Excellent result last nite and looked like it could have been more at the end but lets not get greedy!
Thought Sissoko was phenomenal last nite, everywhere.
Reina looked dodgy out a few times but got away with it
Thought riise & bellamy both did reasonably well nad worked their socks off.
Can see an anxious second leg if barca get the first goal!
To all those posters who come into this thread to have a go at the mighty reds 'up your fuckin holes'
Sweet sweet victory esp after all the recent who ha over the portugal trip.
According to Johnnie Giles Liverpool did'nt play well with the ball but played very well without it and still managed to beat the reigning CL holders, I'd love to know what he is on
I didnt get to see the game, by all accounts we played very well, but how did Arbeloa play in is debut? good signing or not ?
Have to disagree with u there Ted, i didn't think Liverpool were overly impressive but really worked hard and harried barca, ronaldinho had 3 people on him everytime he got the ball
Arbelo was good without being fantastic, i would hold him, and not riise at fault for getting sucked into the middle for the goal
Arbelo was marking someone though and Riise should really have been covering.Actually looking back on it Riise didn't have one of his better games either did Gerrard or Alonso for that matter.
Carragher was imense and Finnan didn't do much or you could say didn't do much wrong either..Agger wasn't in the game much either but maybe thats more of a testiment to how well Liverpool controlled the game.
Sissoko was excellent and i thought Kyut as per usual worked his socks off without being brilliant to the veiwing television public.Bit like Roy Keane you don't see the work he does until you see a match in person.
Bellamy played well too.Renia is a liability,He seems to lose concetration in the bigger matches,but in his defense he did make a great one on one save from Deco i think?I'd love to Shay Given come to Liverpool probably the most consistent goalie out there
Ted Giles was right Liverpool were poor. The didnt string any passes together and round the middle of 1st half they were getting swamped.The created good chances more out of Barcas shakey defending. It may be harsh to say but they are a better team without the ball.
Alonso wasnt in the game. Gerrard neither. Momo & Bellamy were the best players and after a very shakey start Arbelo had a good 2nd half.
What a result, Beyond my wildest dreams to steal a Munster rugby phrase.
Have to agree that we didn't play that well but the spirit was there.
Reyna is not a championship winning goalie, he is terrible with crosses, I'd say he needs to come out more then he does and flaps at a cross....
Finnan was excellent, Carra outstanding, Agger solid, Arbelo marked Messi out of it.
Gerrard was in and out, Alonso was effective, Momo was MOTM,Riise didn't have his best game but got the winner.
Bellamy ran his heart out, a great game, finishing still not first class but attitude was last night. Celebration up there with Robbie snorting the goal line....
I'm going to buck the trend slightly with Kyut, I thought he was poor last night, his touch was terrible, never held up the ball, terrible miss on the header and poor control on the lead up to the goal.
Rafa take a bow a great team selection even if we did look under terrible pressure in the first 40 minutes.
One final point, Bara are some shower of diving and moaning bastards, touch them and they do down, Yellows should have been flashed for some dives like Ronnies dive in the box early on.
We picked up a fair few soft yellow card. Tie is a long way from being over though.
Have to agree about Riise, has anyone else noticed that he just kicks the ball about 15 yards in front of him and runs like fcuk after it, he does not have the pace to do this & its a bit of a playground move anyway.....He gives the ball away so much. I cant see Barca being as bad again at Anfield.....
Agreed about Barcelona diving Zambrotta was the worst at it
Does anyone else think Ronaldhino is overated? What actually makes a great player? Yes he has all the tricks and show boating but he does f**k all when it comes to team work he's a lazy f**ker really
My point being Giles and Co never give Liverpool any credit any time they are on RTE, Brady said he thought Barca would win comfortabley, implying the reds had'nt a hope in hell
Quote from: Fr Ted on February 22, 2007, 12:36:41 PM
My point being Giles and Co never give Liverpool any credit any time they are on RTE, Brady said he thought Barca would win comfortabley, implying the reds had'nt a hope in hell
And I thought it was only United they had it in for! :P
Brady's there to give his opinion and his prediction was hardly that controversial. Predicting results is not an exact science, and when playing to their capabilities and with a bit of unity, Barcelona are probably well ahead of Liverpool.
NEWS STORY
BELLAMY: MY BEST MOMENT IN FOOTBALL
Jimmy Rice 21 February 2007
Craig Bellamy declared Wednesday night's victory in the Nou Camp his greatest moment in football.
The Reds achieved an historic win over Barca with strikes from Bellamy and John Arne Riise – an irony not lost on the Welshman.
"You couldn't make up what has happened tonight," he said. "I've not been reading the papers so I've not been too bothered what people say.
"All I wanted to do was make the most of the special atmosphere and the build up to the game. I've been reasonably lucky in football, playing for my country and other big clubs, but this is my best moment in the game.
However, despite two away goals, the striker insists no one at Anfield will be getting carried away.
He said: "It was important at the final whistle that we didn't milk the victory. The dressing room was actually quite subdued afterwards. Well, as subdued as it can be after a win at the Nou Camp.
"This is a great result but it is only half-time. We've got to go back to Anfield for a completely different game, so as good a result as this is, there's still a long way to go.
"I take the rough with the smooth and to be honest I'm a bit gobsmacked tonight - coming here to the Nou Camp was something else. It's also my boy's 10th birthday today so it's just been really special.
"We wanted to hold them out for as long as possible but we knew it was going to be difficult. They are a top, top side and the reigning champions of Europe, but we've done a lot of work to prepare for this game and I think you could see that."
Meanwhile, Riise paid tribute to Rafa's tactical prowess.
He said: "We knew we needed to enjoy it out there and believe in ourselves. To be fair we started the game very well. They scored but we knew that if we worked hard we would get a goal back.
"The boss has shown tonight that, tactically, he's one of the best around."
Feckin' great result, still on a high about it. Once we had the self belief to have ago we showed them up for what they are. How easy do those barca bastards fall over though? I never seen as much diving and theatrics in my life
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on February 20, 2007, 10:02:48 AM
Is Voronin really what we are looking for? 5 goals this season, 6 in 40 appearances for Ukraine. He is not exactly the kind of blue chip player i thought we would be going for with our apparent new wealth.I have a feeling we will be another 8-10 goal a season man and we have enough of those......
Was watching Bayer Lev against Blackburn last night and yer man Voronin was playing.Didn't really see a whole lot to impress me about him to be honest
Thought the same myself Laoislad but in Rafa we must trust.Anyone booking for Athens?
Voronin has 6 goals in 21 appearances for Leverkusen this season, and at international level he has 5 in 40.
Prolific!
And to top it off he has a lovely blonde pony tail, which is always a good sign...
He looks a bit of a gypo alright!
Hes not exactly what we are looking for, we need somebody to give us 20-25 goals a season, i know they sont come cheap but the money should be there now......
Anyone in mind? David Villa?
Of course he is coming on a free transfer so lets gibe it a chance eh?
How come the Mirror gave Gerrard MOTM, I am sick of the media outlet bestowing this honour on him the majority of games even when he has been poor. I would imagine he does be embarressed occassionally about this.
Bellamy and Carragher were super but Momo stood out for me.
Gerrard was no man of match the other night defo Carra or Sissoko
Fowler with 2 peno's
Sami H - 3 up now
Gerrard 4-0
If a foreign player went down like Gerrard yesterday for the penalties they would have got hauled over the coals......
Definitely the first one. He looked back at the ref, complained about the United player holding on to him, and when the kick came in he engineered a tangle and went down. I defintely call that a dive.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 25, 2007, 04:38:40 PM
Definitely the first one. He looked back at the ref, complained about the United player holding on to him, and when the kick came in he engineered a tangle and went down. I defintely call that a dive.
In fairness i dont care if he does it again on Saturday against the scum.........
Bad dive for me, Giles thought it was stone wall but I disagree.
First was no penalty but i wonder should Crouch have got one anyways for the high kick?
Delighted for Robbie two excellent penos and what a great pass to set up Gerrard,Would definatly hold on to Fowler instead of that Vororin fella next year
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 25, 2007, 07:57:26 PM
First was no penalty but i wonder should Crouch have got one anyways for the high kick?
Delighted for Robbie two excellent penos and what a great pass to set up Gerrard,Would definatly hold on to Fowler instead of that Vororin fella next year
I wouldnt even bother signing Voronin, he will just be a squad player. Maybe Benitez just wants him as a squad player and will chase a top striker in the summer, Torres/Villa.......?????
From the angles I've seen, I'm not sure if it was or wasn't a foul. If it was, Gerrard definitely played for it (as he is entitled to do) and the defender obliged him. The problem is that kind of crap goes on all the time at corners but is rarely penalized. In this case, the ref was right there beside them, so the defender should probably have had more sense. That everyone disagrees after watching slow motion replays shows how difficult it can be for the referees though! I don't think there was any doubt about the second one.
Had a nice wee bet on Robbie for First scorer on Saturday, 5-1 but Bar-one pay again for each subsequent goal the fist scorer scores, so 5-1 became 10-1. Thank you Robbie for that.
Big game this weekend (and I'll do a Fearon if you don't mind, my match ticket arrived on Friday), it looked a bigger game up to the Everton/Newcastle games but against that shower its alaways a big one.
Knowing Rafa he may rest a few with the CL return against Barca onTuesday. I would hope not as after the display at OT this year the players need to get the win. Haven't beat them since 2001 in the league at Anfield (Owen x 2, Riise thuderbolt ). That has to be corrected.
Reports today that Robbie Fowler is on his way to the States in the summer to join up with New England Revolution who are coached by former Liverpool legend Steve Nicol
Pity if it's true as Fowler is better than this new fella Vororin
I read that myself. It has been floating sbout for a week or two and may be part of him securring a final year extension. If not, and they get E'To I wouldn't be too unhappy. The Ukrainian is on a free and therefore good business. He will always make a profit on sale. Maybe the E'to annoucement is mind games in the build up to next week after Barca did the same with Alonso. I hope the plan is not to use Alonso as part of the deal to bring E'to
brokencross.. whats the Etoo story??
QuoteOver in Liverpool, meanwhile, Rafa Benítez will bump "best finisher" Robbie Fowler even further down the pecking order by taking Samuel Eto'o off Barcelona's hands. New American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are willing to spend the £20m necessary, and Benítez reckons his Spanish contacts could help him beat Arsenal and Chelsea to the punch. He needn't actually worry about Arsenal, to be fair, since Arsène Wenger - rather predictably - is actually after a completely different, cheaper Eto'o - Samuel's brother Etienne, currently playing up front for Mallorca
Taken from today's Guardian. maybe just paper talk, but who knows? I added the bit about Alonso myself.
E'To? Yes please!
£20m would be a steal.
Some factions in Barca believe himself and Ronaldihno cannot play in the same team and have been given the mandate to
sell him. Others want him to stay. It looks like it will become the transfer story of the summer.
I think he is brilliant. Without him Barcas whole attack is static. No surprise when he was back last sunday they had their best performance of the season. An assist and goal before coming off after 60mins.
Should he come through the top of table clash with Sevilla this weekend he is the man Pool need to fear next Tuesday..
Barca would be crazy to sell him but if they do Pool should burst the bank to get him.
Eto would be a great addition to the team, could be the 20 goal a season man that has been missing since fowler and owen (when fit). But i would take this story wth a pinch of salt, the reds are gonna be linked with every tom, dick and harry now that there appears to be a bit of the the yanky dollar available, although it is nice to seen the reds being linked to big name players again
Big one against United tomorrow.
Team selection will be difficult i'd imagine with the Barcelona match coming up i wonder will he risk some players seeing as the Barcelona match has to be regarded as more important
Fowler maybe to start with Crouch? And keep Bellamy and Kuyt for tuesday?
Yeah i agree to the fans yes the United game is tops but i can't see Rafa thinking that way,In the context of the rest of the season the Barca game is more important
Though i'd love to beat those United b******S
Right
no bravado or crap, just what do you think the score will be?
I think Xavi will be rested with sissoko and Gerard in the centre midfield. He may play Mascerhano on the right to get him game time and to do a spoling job on Giggs with Aurelio on the Left. Fowler and Kuyt will start up front. Is Crouch fit after breaking his nose?
I think a win would be ideal but a draw would probably suffice. Tuesday is a more important game to the overall season as I think they have CL for next year more or less booked.
I hope he plays our strongest team. He rested a fair few last weekend against Sheff Utd. They should be able to hack playing 2 games at home in 4 days especially as the team has been rotated most of the season.
That said I think he'll leave one or two regulars on the bench.
I want the win though. Haven't beaten these f**kers at home in the league since 2001.
If we play our strongest team I think we might edge it. If not it'll probably be a score draw. maybe 1-1.
2-1 to Utd
Rooney & Ronaldo
Fowler pulling 1 back for a penalty following a fowl on Stevie G
Quote from: Square Ball on March 02, 2007, 03:27:42 PM
Right
no bravado or crap, just what do you think the score will be?
1-1
QuoteFowler pulling 1 back for a penalty following a fowl on Stevie G
Not only do Utd have all the luck this year but they are taking to throwing chickens at players to stop the scoring goals! ;)
2-1 Liverpool.
3 nil United.
Heading on a stag wkend to Newcastle tonight. Half the boys are Liverpool and half united! hould be a great bit o craic. I'm going for a 2-1 Liverpool with goals from Riise and Fowler. Ronaldo to pull one back for united!!
Newcastle is excellent make sure and go to Buffalo Joes i think its called,All the waitresses get up and dance on the counter ala coyote ugly
Confession - I hate hate Man U, from that useless c*nt Gary Neville, to the simpleton that is Rio ferdinand right to the Scottish tosser that is Sir Alex (Up there with Sir Clive).
That said the biggest game Liverpool have this season is Tuesday and not tomorrow. Hand on heart I would take a loss tomorrow with a weakened team to go through on Tuesday night.
In the normal course of events go full blooded at the b@stard but Tuesday night is more important. Hope Chelsea win the league naturally.
Can't stand Neville either or Ferdinand talk about being over rated Carragher is far ahead of the great Rio
Honestly though United have two of my favourite players Giggs and Scholes i would have loved to see either play for Liverpool other than that i couldn't think of anyone else who i would have liked to see play for the Pool not even Rooney who i also think is overrated and much hyped by the media
would rather see Bellamy play with fowler than Kuyt to be honest. He does have a fondness for scoring against united.
Can't really see the win tomorrow, but a draw would be a reasonable result
http://www.soccertv.com/england.cfm
It is on live on ESPN2
and it is also on ESPN360 http://broadband.espn.go.com/espn360/
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 02, 2007, 04:40:24 PM
Can't stand Neville either or Ferdinand talk about being over rated Carragher is far ahead of the great Rio
Honestly though United have two of my favourite players Giggs and Scholes i would have loved to see either play for Liverpool other than that i couldn't think of anyone else who i would have liked to see play for the Pool not even Rooney who i also think is overrated and much hyped by the media
Carragher does what defenders are supposed to do....defend!! Rio would rather prance about like a frustrated midfielder. Rooney is the most overrated player in years, if he was Scottish or Welsh you wouldnt hear half the shite you do about him. As for a temporary loss of form that has been associated with him, i would say no goal in 17 Champions League games is a bit more prolonged than "temporary"......
The jammiest of jammy wins for United,But then we only have ourseleves to blame should have been 2 or 3 up at that stage
Im gutted United were awful,and the Pool were all over them God i hate that John O'Shea >:(
Classic smash and grab from United. You have to hand it to them, they defended well and took the only chance they had. League's over.
Yeah agreed league over...Roll on Europe now for ourselves
Talk about being mugged. As soon as the free-kick was given I thought they'd pox a winner from it.
Should have won but didn't. Only ourselves to blame. We really need a reliable striker up front to take these chances. Eto'o would be great in the Summer.
Sorry lads it's my fault :( Had just texted a United fan about how boring they were when United scored, I put the Blink on Liverpool
If todays match wasnt a perfect illustration of why we need to bust the bank for a top striker i dont know what is.......
Yeah they do desreve it,they didn't deserve to win today but thats what it takes to become champions
Top Class striker and two wingers needed Gonzalez and Pennant in my opinion not up to it
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 03, 2007, 06:35:46 PM
Yeah they do desreve it,they didn't deserve to win today but thats what it takes to become champions
Top Class striker and two wingers needed Gonzalez and Pennant in my opinion not up to it
Have to agree with you, Gonzalez has the speed of a 100m sprinter but never takes the man on, he always takes the easy way out and plays the ball inside. As for Pennant we had to go for him because we couldnt afford Dani Alves of Sevilla last summer, hopefully the days of having to settle for 2nd rate players are behind us.....
Sissoko could do with improvin his first touch and passing, most of it was brual............he near gave it away everytime he got it. If Risse had have been given a better lay off for his freekick he'd have scored, sure he had to stretch to get it!
QuoteHave to agree with you, Gonzalez has the speed of a 100m sprinter but never takes the man on, he always takes the easy way out and plays the ball inside. As for Pennant we had to go for him because we couldnt afford Dani Alves of Sevilla last summer, hopefully the days of having to settle for 2nd rate players are behind us.....
Going for 2nd rate players makes us a 2nd rate team - which in Premiership terms, we are.
Sissoko was surprisingly poor today, even given the fact that his passing often leaves a lot to be desired.
I thought the substitution of Bellamy was a poor enough decision on Benitez's part, as he was doing a good job winning and holding up the ball out on the wings. Easy to say so in hindsight though.
Quote from: FermBoy on March 03, 2007, 08:56:08 PM
Sissoko could do with improvin his first touch and passing, most of it was brual............he near gave it away everytime he got it. If Risse had have been given a better lay off for his freekick he'd have scored, sure he had to stretch to get it!
For sure, if he could pass the ball he would be unplayable, brilliant tackler, amazing stamina but he couldnt pass water. He gave the ball away nearly every time he got it but he is still young.
Ye, Bellamy was a good outlet today...........thought Crouchie should have stuck his head in that last chance.............probably afraid of hitting his nose!
Quote from: FermBoy on March 03, 2007, 09:06:43 PM
Ye, Bellamy was a good outlet today...........thought Crouchie should have stuck his head in that last chance.............probably afraid of hitting his nose!
Bellamy did do well other than his shit pass to Kuyt in the 1st half, but his pace scares the shit out of teams. And its not the kind of running like a f**king headless chicken as Mr Cisse used to do!!He may not be a bright boy off the pitch but he does make clever runs on it.......
We won the league on the Mersey, We Won the league on MERSEYSIDE!! :D ;D
Quote from: SlimShady on March 05, 2007, 09:27:03 AM
We won the league on the Mersey, We Won the league on MERSEYSIDE!! :D ;D
Slim you seem to be in the wrong thread, i think its the Clontibret one you need...... ;)
we won the league on MERSEYSIDE! ;D
Quote from: SlimShady on March 05, 2007, 10:32:14 AM
we won the league on MERSEYSIDE! ;D
No intelligent debate from slim, he won't even go on to the mu thread , only likes slagging people off, he is as big a muppet as he looks after all, others told me that, now I know what they mean.
what is there to debate? my analysis of the game is on the Man United thread if you wish to read it. until then, read this....
We won the league on the mersey, we won the league on Merseyside :D ;D
Fair enough slim. This years win will bring Utd up to 16 League titles. Two more and you will have caught Liverpool, that is unless Liverpool add another one.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 05, 2007, 11:16:58 AM
Fair enough slim. This years win will bring Utd up to 16 League titles. Two more and you will have caught Liverpool, that is unless Liverpool add another one.
:D ;D
Here we go, its a bit early for the annual 'we're going to win the league next season speech' i have a mate who is a mad Liverpool fan and he's been saying this for the past 12 years or so!! :D
if the league was won on merseyside 5ive times then it is definitely IN TOPIC!!
come on lads,
ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE!
Jaysus Slim, I was actually hoping United would beat Chelski this season, once Liverpool were out of it (in november!!). You make it very hard though :)
do you think i care whether you want Chelski to win or lose?! its the biggest fixture of the premiership season when United play Liverpool, therefore i'm still elated that United came away with the points!
i know it hurts lads, u may just hope Barca dont dump you tomorrow night and you pull United in the Champions League ;)
I don't give a shite whether you care or not. I'm just making an observation.
And you better be careful in your mouthing off as well. There's f*ck all won in March. It'd be a sad sight if ye won nothing after all this :D
I am under no delusions slim. It pains me greatly to say it but I, like AZ, wanted ot see Man Utd win it rather than Chelski. Although it will be tough for Chelsea to get back, it is still very much a possibility so don't get the brasso out just yet.
As regards Saturday, it wasn't the greatest preparation for the infinitley more important game on Tuesday night, but positives can be drawn. Liverpool are hard to break down and if they can hold Barca for the first 20-25 minutes on Tuesday then a last eight slot is a high likelihood. Bellamy is playing well as is Kuyt but the need for a prolific goal scorer is becoming more painful as the weeks go on. Who that is I am not sure, but there must be a poacher of some description unearthed.
A major positive was that Barca actually lost as well and therefore their confidence could have taken a dent. With talk of internal problems hopefully the game on Tuesday will bring bit more joy.
I remember when Liverpool were dominating in the early 80's, Man Utd were always the team they struggled against most, even when they had the legends like Peter Davenport. Saturday was another example of that and I would not read too much into it. 3rd place and a good finish in the CL will be a satisfactory season in my view.
indeed, are any of ye wanting a bet?! didnt think so ;)
having endured the Kop and 'you lost the league on Merseyside' a few years ago me thinks i'm due this gloat!!
incidentally, that year when 'we lost the league on the mersey' we actually ended up winning... could history repeat itself?! hope not!
QuoteThere's f*ck all won in March
Exactly. It would be dangerous to read too much into this result. It puts United in a strong position but they are playing poorly.
Still you can't blame United fans for glorying in the result. If the boot was on the other foot the United thread would be full of similar stuff. There weren't too many thread police getting on to Syd the Sailor (hope you enjoyed the result!) when he made his sick Munchen comments.
I thought those Munich comments were sick, and I think they were edited and a warning given as well no?
But you are right, the gloating is part and parcel of it. And we just have to take it on the chin for now, and acknowledge United are deservedly top of the table again.
But it's a long road that has no turn :D
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 05, 2007, 11:49:00 AM
QuoteThere's f*ck all won in March
Exactly. It would be dangerous to read too much into this result. It puts United in a strong position but they are playing poorly.
Still you can't blame United fans for glorying in the result. If the boot was on the other foot the United thread would be full of similar stuff. There weren't too many thread police getting on to Syd the Sailor (hope you enjoyed the result!) when he made his sick Munchen comments.
Exactly Seanie.
The glee on Gary Nevilles ugly mug was great after the game :D
He hates scousers you know? ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 05, 2007, 11:49:00 AM
QuoteThere's f*ck all won in March
Exactly. It would be dangerous to read too much into this result. It puts United in a strong position but they are playing poorly.
Still you can't blame United fans for glorying in the result. If the boot was on the other foot the United thread would be full of similar stuff. There weren't too many thread police getting on to Syd the Sailor (hope you enjoyed the result!) when he made his sick Munchen comments.
Dont worry Syd The Evil Sailor will appear again, youse can have the league and we will take big ears for a 6th time......First time you meet a decent team you are out on your f**king ear......
Apparently the Hillsborough memorial was defaced according to some of the Liverpool websites. "Murderers. Hillsborough, it should have been more" was spray painted on in the middle of the Friday night but cleaned early Saturday morning before the crowds arrived.
I would have thought that after the events in Lille that the penny might have finally dropped.
What were United fans doing in Liverpool on Friday night?
QuoteApparently the Hillsborough memorial was defaced according to some of the Liverpool websites. "Murderers. Hillsborough, it should have been more" was spray painted on in the middle of the Friday night but cleaned early Saturday morning before the crowds arrived.
All clubs have the scum element. Please don't start all this again
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 05, 2007, 01:04:16 PM
What were United fans doing in Liverpool on Friday night?
I presume like any set of fans some will come down the day before to make a night of it.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 05, 2007, 01:06:13 PM
QuoteApparently the Hillsborough memorial was defaced according to some of the Liverpool websites. "Murderers. Hillsborough, it should have been more" was spray painted on in the middle of the Friday night but cleaned early Saturday morning before the crowds arrived.
All clubs have the scum element. Please don't start all this again
I'm not starting anything. I just thought it was a bit sad in this day and age especially so close to the Lille incident. I'm under no illusion that most clubs have a sc**bag element following them. Including ourselves.
yes, United fans would have been down the night before- of course. The journey is about 45mins down the road but they'd have felt the need to make a night of it!! dont be ridiculous.
making these accusations (if it wasnt you it was some other browned off Liverpool fan) is merely trying to piss on our parade!
Quote from: SlimShady on March 05, 2007, 01:28:56 PM
yes, United fans would have been down the night before- of course. The journey is about 45mins down the road but they'd have felt the need to make a night of it!! dont be ridiculous.
making these accusations (if it wasnt you it was some other browned off Liverpool fan) is merely trying to piss on our parade!
Actually, slim a good lot of united's fans come form the south of England and Ireland as well so quite a few of them may have stayed overnight.
Quote from: SlimShady on March 05, 2007, 01:28:56 PM
yes, United fans would have been down the night before- of course. The journey is about 45mins down the road but they'd have felt the need to make a night of it!! dont be ridiculous.
making these accusations (if it wasnt you it was some other browned off Liverpool fan) is merely trying to piss on our parade!
Slim most United fans are coming from further afield than Manchester though ;) So they maybe did make a night of it. Is that SammyG coming on to say the graffiti was actually misinterpreted...... ;D
Quote from: SlimShady on March 05, 2007, 01:28:56 PM
yes, United fans would have been down the night before- of course. The journey is about 45mins down the road but they'd have felt the need to make a night of it!! dont be ridiculous.
making these accusations (if it wasnt you it was some other browned off Liverpool fan) is merely trying to piss on our parade!
Well maybe it was Everton fans (although highly unlikely as they don't bang on about Hillsborough as some of them had relatives who died there).
I do believe it was already condemned on RedCafe already.
Maybe it was just Liverpool fans who did it themselves?
Who knows?
Unfortunately the nasty element that follow both clubs tend to surface at this fixture every year.
Quote from: SlimShady on March 05, 2007, 01:28:56 PM
yes, United fans would have been down the night before- of course. The journey is about 45mins down the road but they'd have felt the need to make a night of it!! dont be ridiculous.
making these accusations (if it wasnt you it was some other browned off Liverpool fan) is merely trying to piss on our parade!
Cop onto yourself ya fool,Galwaybaybhoy was only stating how wrong it was that this was done, he wasn't trying to get back at united coz they won on saturday,Whoever done this hasn't much sense or morals,same as the Liverpool fans who wrote stuff about Munich on the seats in Old Trafford that was just as wrong
it may be the case that Old Trafford holds United fans from far flung places but their away fans are mostly from Manchester!
yes, it was wrong that this happened (if it did) but GBB (and whoever firstly made up the story) was simply trying to dampen down the spirits of Uniteds win by coming out with it on here.
i mean, f**k sake- who in their right mind would be at it? for fear of being caught if nothing else!
Really don't think this was Galwaybaybhoys intention,And if he really wanted to rain on your parade would he not have posted it in the United thread?
Quote from: SlimShady on March 05, 2007, 01:50:56 PM
it may be the case that Old Trafford holds United fans from far flung places but their away fans are mostly from Manchester!
yes, it was wrong that this happened (if it did) but GBB (and whoever firstly made up the story) was simply trying to dampen down the spirits of Uniteds win by coming out with it on here.
i mean, f**k sake- who in their right mind would be at it? for fear of being caught if nothing else!
I doubt the story is fabricated. There things happen when the two sides meet unfortunately. It was on some of the Liverpool forums since yesterday morning and no doubt next time at Old Trafford the Liverpool fans will probably destroy the toilets or something equally stupid.
You could get away with it up at Anfield though. Most of the houses behind and to the side the Anfield Road end (where the away fans sit and the Hillsborough memorial is) are derelict. There isn't many people around there even in the middle of the day let alone in the middle of the night.
Anyway don't want to keep banging on about it.
Quoteno doubt next time at Old Trafford the Liverpool fans will probably destroy the toilets or something equally stupid.
Didn't they already do that at last year's Cup Semi-Final
Yeah they did and it was wrong and they were scumbags that done it,Same as the scumbags who done this to the Hillsborough memorial
I'm bricking it today - our biggest game since Istanbul
I have a feeling there might be a nasty sting in the tail tonight.... :(
looking forward to watching this game tonight although i support neither team. i have a feeling that barca might just nick it with the return of Eto'o...
what do ya's think liverpools tactics will be? will crouch start up front as more of a target man to relieve pressure and hold it up as liverpool sit back? or will they push on from the start for another goal?
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on March 06, 2007, 12:53:52 PM
I have a feeling there might be a nasty sting in the tail tonight.... :(
Here's hoping Syd ;)
Liverpool have the defensive capabilities to withstand the Bara attack but we cant sit back and allow them time and space to come at us, best form of defense is attack, I think if we control midfield we will win the tie,
Interesting game tonight alright, without doubt the biggest game of the season. I would go with the same team as Saturday with Riise on the wing and aballerdo at left back. Basically the team that started in Spain. Liverpool are playing good stuff, Bellamy only came off against united to rest for tonight. The goal last Saturday will have wiped away any over confidence. Close Barca down and we win. Set pieces will be key. I think (rather than hope) we will be in the hat on Friday. 2-0 to the pool.
Pool should hold on but if they concede in 1st half then it will be nervy.
If Pool happen to score and frustrate them you could see Barca collapse. They are fairly fragile at the moment and
should things not go their way the internal problems which they are having will surface..
Were a goal up, a man up and had a peno V Seville on Saturday.. Missed the pen had 2 men sent off and lost 2-1..
Have faith lads, rafa will see us through, bound to have more luck than we did on saturday against the mancs, i hope we stick with Bellamy and Kuyt up front, more of a threat than the leaning tower of pisa
Bit nervous over this i have a bad feeling in me tummy but that might just be the curry i had at lunch!!
Im going 1-1 with the Pool winning 3-2 overall though i wouldn't be surprised if it went all the way to penaltys
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The Rafatola is being paraded up to Anfield.
Rafa Benitez has named the same side that beat Barcelona 2-1 in the Nou Camp a fortnight ago for tonight's Champions League last 16 Second Leg at what's sure to be a rocking Anfield.
That means Alvaro Arbeloa returns to the defence, where he's joined by Jamie Carragher, Daniel Agger and Steve Finnan. Rafa has opted for Dirk Kuyt and Craig Bellamy up front and he'll be hoping they can cause the Barca defence problems again.
Liverpool - Reina, Finnan, Arbeloa, Carragher, Agger, Riise, Gerrard, Alonso, Sissoko, Kuyt, Bellamy. Subs - Dudek, Hyypia, Crouch, Pennant, Aurelio, Mascherano, Zenden.
The right team-let's get the right result!
Yep lets get wired into the greasy fucks......
Impressive start from the Pool, Benitez is too shrewd to blow this i think
Don't ike the way these yellows are building up, and reina looks ropey
18 minutes left, barca move to a 2-4-4 formation. Gudjonsen pulls one out of nowhere 1-0 barca
Ohh Scousers are bricking it now!!
Wouldn't you know Eidur the Chelsea bastard
"Squeaky bum!!"
Rafa has brought this on himself! He took Bellamy (the main threat!) off against UTD also!!
Confused there heganboy...I thought it was extra time & if the result stayed the same 'pool were through!
Liverpool through, full time where were you getting extra time from?
Good Result!
f**king great result, there is no one to fear now.....
Not a Pool fan but Carragher, Finnan and Agger were excellent, Sissoko's type of game too.
Inter match marred by mass brawl at the end incidentaly
Great to be through.
Should have been 2 or 3 up at half-time. We really need to start taking our chances and a top striker in the Summer.
We were comfortable in the second half until Arebola played Gudjonsen onside. Was always going to be nervy after that.
Dunphy now going through us for a shortcut. Considering we were written off completely when the draw was made I think he's got some neck.
Anybody else watching the inter valencia fight?? its serious stuff, bound to be big trouble for this, still fighting in the tunnel 10 minutes later
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 06, 2007, 09:47:56 PM
Great to be through.
Should have been 2 or 3 up at half-time. We really need to start taking our chances and a top striker in the Summer.
We were comfortable in the second half until Arebola played Gudjonsen onside. Was always going to be nervy after that.
Dunphy now going through us for a shortcut. Considering we were written off completely when the draw was made I think he's got some neck.
Dunphy is a drunken kn**ker so we will not worry too much about him....I know everyone keeps mentioning this but we really need a top striker in the summer.....Just to digress anyone that is a Liverpool fan has to read "A season on the brink" by Guillem Balague (Skys Spanish Football Correspondent), it goes behind the scenes of 2004/05, i have just finished it and its only about £6 on www.play.com Benitez worked for 22hrs steady in one day before the Chelsea semi final match at Anfield !!!
Dunphy can go and fcuk off - it it had have been United and his "beloved" Roy doing that tonight - he'd be all different
Quote from: ExiledGael on March 06, 2007, 09:51:01 PM
Anybody else watching the inter valencia fight?? its serious stuff, bound to be big trouble for this, still fighting in the tunnel 10 minutes later
Seen it, an absolute disgrace. The fracas in the Carling cup final was handbags when compared to this. the Valencia reserve keper came running on a punched a Inter player in the face, he done a runner with 3 players after him, fight in the tunnel, dressing room, ayala, Figo and all semed to be having a go. must be something done to Inter as they always get away with this type of behaviour.
I wonder would there have be a few more "imposter" people posting tonight from a different thread if things hadnt went our way tonight???? I bet the slabbers were running out of their mouth at the thought of it..... Just a thought......
Dunphy, Giles and "I love Barca" Brady can go and shite. Did they expect a red carpet and a round of applause for the fancy flicks and tricks. They get stuffed.
No credit whatsoever for comfortably beating the reigning champions over two legs. It may have been nervy after the goal but they weren't flying shots in or making the keeper work too much.
Delighted to go through, not scoring when we should have made it more difficult that it should be. A quality striker is needed in summer but we have a better team than we had two years ago.
Bring anyone on.
Carra, Agger and Finnan immense.
Blessed at the end to hang on and there was absolutely no need for it. First half was quite good, but I definitely thought Benitez blew it in the second half. Going with one up front was absolutely begging Rijkaard to take off a defender and go with 4 up top. When the four are Messi, Giuli, Ronaldinho and Gudjohnsen, there's always a likelihood that they will score, especially when the ball comes back as quick as Liverpool were clearing it because there was no one up front to hold it up.
Great performances from Finnan, Carra and Agger, and good displays from Sissoko (without the ball!) and Gerrard at times. Riise was also one of our better players.
I am a little concerned about the direction LFC are taking though. One of Bob Paisley's truisms was to 'take care of the little things and the big things will take care of themselves'. He meant that if you put in the hard work, and pass the ball and move to get the return pass, the results will look after themselves. And if the results look after themselves, the titles and trophies follow.
Liverpool do not seem to have moved on much *with the ball* in the past 5 years or so. Very rarely do you see concentrated possession in European games against the best teams, which always leads to pressure coming back on us. Paisley would be turning in his grave at some of the 'passing' that LFC engage in in these games. It's just a credit to the team's fighting spirit and workrate that this carelessness does not cost them dearly every time they play. That game should have been all over at half time, not only with the chances they missed, but if LFC passed the ball correctly, that Barca back line would have crumbled.
However, not to be too negative on the night, it's a great, great result over the two legs, and a massive scalp to take, notwithstanding Barca's current problems, so well done to Rafa and the lads, but improvement is needed.
Also, I think LFC should break the bank to get Villa, Eto'o, Torres or someone like that. Even playing the way they are, they are making chances, and they have got to take them to win games, points and titles.
phewwwwwwwwwwwwwww just changed my boxers!!!!!!!
Great too be through we deserved it over the two legs.Dunphy and co must have been watching a different game we should have been 3 or 4 up at half time and could have got two in the second
We done enough to get through and i reckon if United do the same tomorrow night Dunphy will say their class
What did he expect Liverpool couldn't keep up that pace for the whole match and it would have been foolish to keep chasing it when we didn't need too.Would Dunphy think it be better if we had attacked the whole game and lost 4-0 than to be a bit more defensive in the second half and be through to the next round
Great preformances from Carragher,Finnan and Gerrard and many others
Delighted but bit worried we have created so many chances the last two games but didn't score
Is the draw on friday a open draw or seeded? Good chance that Liverpool,Celtic,Man U,Chelsea and Arsenal will all be in it that would be something else..
Only seen snippets of the Liverpool game out of the corner of my eye in the pub, but yousons looked well in control in the first half, and should've been 2,3 up. Good result over the 2 legs though.
QuoteIs the draw on friday a open draw or seeded? Good chance that Liverpool,Celtic,Man U,Chelsea and Arsenal will all be in it that would be something else..
Open draw, no country protection or nothing. I have a feeling it'll be your good selfs Chelsea will face, however at this stage I'd prefer Valencia, or Lille.....anyone will do though.
I've preface this by saying that I don't follow any team in England or anywhere else, although I always like to see all the English teams winning in Europe. I watched the second half last night and forgetting about the football, I thought the crowd were magnificent, great atmosphere, and the flag and scarf waving at the end was a great spectacle. This never seems to happen at Man Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal games, I'm just wondering why?
BTW was that the fields of Athenry the fans were singing or were they changing the Athenry bit, I just couldn't make it out?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 06, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
Dunphy can go and fcuk off - it it had have been United and his "beloved" Roy doing that tonight - he'd be all different
To be fair, he has be slabbering of about Utd as well in recent times, so dont go thinking it is just the 'Pool getting the sh1t.
I noticed that as well last about the Fields Of Athenry, the supporters seemed to be changing certain parts of it ???
Would you like the loan of John O'Shea to put the ball in the net for you? :P
I haven't lost my bottle so badly at a match since the Worthington Cup final in Cardiff against the Mancs. I could barely stand for the first twenty minutes of the second half, I was so nervous. Still, it was all worth it for the moment right at the end when Pennant earned a free right under the Kop. We all realised any free here was going to soak up at least thirty seconds so it was effectively game over and the ground just erupted. Then it was over. Fantastic.
It was like watching Ireland during the Charlton era again. Great without the ball but couldn't pass water. Whats happened to Alonso?
Quote from: full back on March 07, 2007, 08:14:43 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 06, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
Dunphy can go and fcuk off - it it had have been United and his "beloved" Roy doing that tonight - he'd be all different
To be fair, he has be slabbering of about Utd as well in recent times, so dont go thinking it is just the 'Pool getting the sh1t.
I noticed that as well last about the Fields Of Athenry, the supporters seemed to be changing certain parts of it ???
Its the "Fields of Anfield Road" they sing, not Athenry.....
RTE panel sicken me to be honest. Liverpool murdered Barca in the first half, very unlucky not to be 2-3 up. Picked up a few booking (deserved) but Barca not picking up booking for the same fouls. Thurman should have walked for the elbow in the second half. Liverpool had all the chances yet at the end you swear Barca were unlucky to lose listening to those moppets. RTE is MUTV2, they always show that useless shower no matter who they are playing (game v Lille tonight for example, tie is over and not to show the Arsenal game is shocking).
If Man U has Keane playing and put in the same performance last night, Dunphy, Brady and Giles would have had multiple orgasms in the studio.
Barca are European champions, Spanish champions and joint top of La Liga they were bound to have chances last night yet I can only remember three chances for them, the goal (Pennant (who had a mare when on) slipped to let Eider in, Ronnie's shot after the goal and Ronnie's shot off the post.
We were very nervy after the goal but in the last 8 minutes (85-93) the ball was in the Barca half and we were still creating chances... Would have preferred pennant to go to the corner and waste time rather than put in crossed in the end of the game.
Kuyt was a disappointment against last night doesn't seem to have the pace/vision for this level will have to spend the dollars in the summer to get two top class strikers, Bellamy was good again last night and shouldn't have been taken off. Finnan, Agger and Cara were outstanding....
Bless me father for i am about to sin, but thank christ thats over,
Another famous result over the two legs to take the scalp of Barca. After the comments made by the Utd fan club on RTE during the last game i watched the game on ITV, flicked over at half time and heard the same shite over again, don't think i'll watch anymore CL games on RTE when the pool are involved.
The pool really need and goal getter, i don't agree with the comments about Kuyt, though he worked very hard for the team although at times he was very deep.
I was a bit confused with the Subs, as i feel they actually made the team weaker and encouraged barca to come on to us, but as i said before in rafa we trust, he is the man
I know everyone has been talking about Carraghers performance this season, and rightly so, but i think Agger is turning out to be a great buy. He was immense again last night.
Great to be in next round but it was nervy. Pool seemed to run out of gas. With all the chances they missed
they looked like they would get caught.
To be fair to RTE pundits they are football fans firstly. They like to see flowing football.
I think they were frustrated that a team playing like liverpool can knock out a team who try and play the "correct" way.
Hand on heart I would prefer see Liverpool play completely different than they way they are.
Its good to win and qualify but its not pretty.
If the end justifys the means then fair enough but its not the way I would like to see football/liverpool continue to develope.
QuoteNo credit whatsoever for comfortably beating the reigning champions over two legs.
I didn't see the game but you could hardly describe an away goals win as comfortable! Also, the reported criticism by Giles, Dunphy and co seems to be valid from some of the comments here. They aren't often wrong. If you want cheerleaders switch over to SKY or ITV or BBC.
If United go through Liverpool would be a nightmare draw all the same.
Lads, I know the RTE Panel are always OTT, but they are the same to every team. Remember the slating they gave United last year? And Arsenal?
I think they are not too far off the mark, but they lose people because they are too aggresive about it.
FFS will all the Scouse supporters wise up.
Ye got your result & fair play to ye, but stop bleating about the pundits on RTE.
Some on here are starting to sound like Jose 'we dont get the praise we are due'.
If you want someone to blow your trumpet listen to Jamie 'I have no feckin opinion & always sit on the fence' Redknapp.
So enjoy the result and stop this bullsh1t
Despite the 1 goal defeat Liverpool were immense last night once again in Europe - Sissoko will be a big loss in the first leg of the 1/4-Final despite his penchant for clumsy tackling. Just need a little more luck with the attempts on goal - how they didnt score last night is hard to fathom - sissoko's reaction effort particularly noteworthy.
Quote from: full back on March 07, 2007, 09:36:48 AM
FFS will all the Scouse supporters wise up.
Ye got your result & fair play to ye, but stop bleating about the pundits on RTE.
Some on here are starting to sound like Jose 'we dont get the praise we are due'.
If you want someone to blow your trumpet listen to Jamie 'I have no feckin opinion & always sit on the fence' Redknapp.
So enjoy the result and stop this bullsh1t
You would never get anyone from Man Utd bleating about the coverage they get, oh thats right Alex "I love the sauce" Ferguson doesent speak to BBC anymore......
QuoteYou would never get anyone from Man Utd bleating about the coverage they get, oh thats right Alex "I love the sauce" Ferguson doesent speak to BBC anymore
In fairness there is no-one in RTE to compare with that turd Alan Greene. He absolutely detests United. Actually, cvome to think of it - Syd - are you Alan Greene?
Quote
Liverpool murdered Barca in the first half
Such an unfortunate phrase to use!
Liverpool's best players on the night were defenders...says it all really!
QuoteIn fairness there is no-one in RTE to compare with that turd Alan Greene
Alan Green is so biased it maked him funny to listen to. He turns into a gibbering idiot when Liverpol score and crys like a spoilt schoolboy when they come undone. Everyone other than Liverpool & England fans detest the sight of him.
There was a lot at stake last night, barca needed to score al least twice to go through, so l'pool did'nt have to go chasing the game, and could afford to let barca have the ball in there own half but once they came over the half way line they were put under pressure, l'pool took the game to barca in the 1st 20mins, but after that they kept things tight.
Barca are probabley the best team in eurpoe at the minute, on paper the barca team were alot better than what we had, so to put barca out is a massive result.
It will be interesting in the summer to see what top class players rafa can buy to take l'pool to the next level any challange for the league.
QuoteI think they are not too far off the mark, but they lose people because they are too aggresive about it.
Well I like them because they tell it like they think it is, and are far removed from what passes for analysis on BBC/ITV/Sky. To call them Utd fans is rubbish - Dunphy does have it in his pants for Keane, but Keane's not playing any more so that's irrelevant. They did a very thorough (and analytical) hatchet-job on Ronaldo recently, and they were saying last night (what I've been saying for years) that Gerrard was rubbish. Can you imagine that anywhere else? Of course Liverpool did a job last night, and they repeated that over-and-over; their point was that they could have made it easier on themselves against an off-form Barcelona side - anyone who disagrees with that would want to get a grip.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 07, 2007, 09:59:39 AM
QuoteYou would never get anyone from Man Utd bleating about the coverage they get, oh thats right Alex "I love the sauce" Ferguson doesent speak to BBC anymore
In fairness there is no-one in RTE to compare with that turd Alan Greene. He absolutely detests United. Actually, cvome to think of it - Syd - are you Alan Greene?
No im not but i do detest Salford Reds, i wont be skipping through the meadows hand in hand with the rest of youse. Have always hated them and always will.....
A few things about last night. I didn't see the first half but listened to it on 5 Live. To hear it there Liverpool were all over them, first 10 mins especially. Bellamy seemed to cause a lot of problems with his pace and Riise seemed to have the freedom of the left side of the field the amount of times he was on the ball. The amount of times that Carrageher seemed to be the last man clearing the ball was unreal. Kids may love the big names like Gerrard but BC1 jnr told me last night when he grows up and playes for Liverpool he wants to be like Jamie Carragher. Like a good wine he is improving with age. I have said it before and will say it again Agger seems to be the real deal and has a huge future if looked after. Finnan is very Denis Irwin like and that is enough of a compliment in my book.
I have to seriously disagree with Grumpy over his absurd analysis of Gerrard. He may not have been spectactular last night but he got through a lot of work and could have had 1 if not 2 goals if he didn't try to knock the keeper into the Kop. Alonso was quiet, Riise tired a lot inthe second half but seemed to have a great first half. After a very promising start to his Liverpool career I am havin my doubts over Sissoko. Sure he is a great ball winner and worker, but does this compensate for the amount of times he gives the ball away through poor control or bad pacing. With two excellent ball players beside him in Alonso and Gerrard he has to just give the ball to them and sit his ground in the middle. With him being suspended for the next game, this will need a re-jigging with ,I presume either Pennant or Mascerhano coming in. The next few games should be used to blend either of them in, and preferably Javier. from what I have seen of him he could be a major acquisition and give that wee bit more than Sissoko in the ball playing side of things.
The lack of final cutting edge is the killer at the minute. Both Bellamy and Kuyt are good palyers for different reasons and would be ideal if yoy blend the two of them into one. I agree that Kuyt has not the pace but he certainly has the bility and awareness to play at the very highest level. Bellamy's pace is brilliant as is his agressive approach but he has to become a bit smarter in his runs. To become top class team a better left back and an out and out goal scorer are required.
Barca were not up to their best but they are still top of the Spanish league and have some of the best players on the planet playing for them. Liverpool had a job to do and did it. Like the Manure fans retroting about this being the worst Premiership Liverpool only have to beat what is before them. They did this and fo rabout 100 mins of the 180 mins of the two games where the better team.
Personally I always switch over to RTE for analysis but I found them to be completely OTT and ridiculous in their analysis of the match last night. When the draw was made Liverpool were completely written off by virtually everyone and yet when they still manage to knock out Barcelona they get slated to high heaven.
At half-time they were effusive with their praise. Liverpool could easily have been 3 up as they constantly attacked Barcelona. However when you're playing a team like Barcelona they are always going to get a period of 15 to 20 minutes in a game when they are just going to knock the ball around and make you chase after it and that's what happened in the second half. Despite this they only created their goal and Ronaldinho's effort that hit the post in the entire game. The goal being a c**k up by Arebola who didn't step up and played Gudjonsen onside. All the while Liverpool were still forcing the Barcelona keeper to make saves so it wasn't like Liverpool were sitting back at the edge of their box.
Then we get Brady at the end seemingly nearly in tears that Barcelona were knocked out. Giles in a huff too and Dunphy going ballistic slating Gerrard (who I thought played pretty well), Benitez and the whole team in general. The only thing I could agree with them was that Bellamy shouldn't have been taken off with 10 mins to go. At one point Dunphy goes "that's it, I've made my mind up about Benitez" and sure you know he'll probably be his biggest fan again in a couple of weeks.
He slags off off Benitez but nothing said about Rikjaards clueless performance over both legs? In fact, they analyse one half at a time. At the end, the entire tie (both legs) was condensed into the second half of the second leg in their eyes.
Great entertainment but a couple of wind up merchants.
Rijkaard was very generous to Liverpool.
QuoteWe won this leg but maybe we were lucky considering the amount of chances they created in the first half. We tried everything possible and I am proud of the spirit and effort my players put in. They worked hard and tried everything but Liverpool are a difficult team to play against. They are strong and mentally tough. That is the way it goes. Sometimes it is like that in football however hard you try. I can only congratulate Liverpool, they are a vigorous side and for the neutral it must have been a game full of good attacking football. From Liverpool it was a great performance. Their style is very difficult to play against. We tried everything, although we were not at our best. We fought to the very last seconds but Liverpool were highly motivated and they defended in such a way to stop us getting close to their goal. Anfield is such a difficult place to play in, so we are out, but I was very impressed with the spirit and fight we showed. I now expect to see that for the rest of the season.
Clearly on the way out.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 07, 2007, 11:59:53 AM
The goal being a c**k up by Arebola who didn't step up and played Gudjonsen onside.
Was it Pennant who didnt step up?
Quote from: full back on March 07, 2007, 12:21:08 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 07, 2007, 11:59:53 AM
The goal being a c**k up by Arebola who didn't step up and played Gudjonsen onside.
Was it Pennant who didnt step up?
Think Pennant slipped. Arebola was playing him onside at the far end.
But GBB, I think they are right to criticise Liverpool when thye have the ball. We gove it away so often it's crazy. It's something that has to change. I already mentioned that I thought at the time that Benitez' substitution to go 4-5-1 (or 4-4--1-1) was bananas. It invited Barca on to them. And that was longer than 10 minutes to go. It was before they got their goal I thought.
Liverpool have many admirable qualities. They are brave, they battle and they are full of energy when they attack. The quality is still missing going forward though, and LFC will not win a title until that is addressed in my opinion.
Of course RTE's panel are OTT, but they are OTT, hyper critical, about everything.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 07, 2007, 01:05:54 PMOf course RTE's panel are OTT, but they are OTT, hyper critical, about everything.
True. Dunphy was asked after Liverpool beat Olympiakos in 2005 whether Liverpool could win the European Cup. "No chance!" barked Amoan. More please.
By the way for all the criticism he gets does anyone think we've been missing Garcia since his injury? The little fella drives me mental at times but he's fantastic at drifting into scoring positions and he's one of the best finishers at the club. It's tight games like the last two where he would have popped up in the box to slide one home. Even if he was just coming off the bench.
What annoys me about the 3 RTE panel members more than anything is that while they are all outspoken and OTT they never disagree which each other to any great extent. I know plenty of people like this and they are all fine people but put any three of them in a room, give them any topic and they'll disagree about it on a range of issues.
Them 3 wait for the first to speak and then all pull in behind them. Only Bill dares to disagree and they normally respond "we played football, blah, blah, blah...."
QuoteBy the way for all the criticism he gets does anyone think we've been missing Garcia since his injury?
No.
I know what you are saying, and we can't deny he scored some vital goals, especially in Europe, but he is one of the WORST culprits at giving the ball away. I want Liverpool to go back to the pass and move game. Retain possession, pull teams around with clever passing, and take opportunities when they arrive. Garcia treats the ball as if it will give him a disease.
Ah bingobus, I think there are plenty of occassions when the RTE panel disagree. Brady and Dunphy regularly fall out, and Giles and Dunphy don't speak to each other off air since the Roy Keane situation. I think the reason that they agree most of the time is that they tend to be fairly much on the ball. The problem is how far 'over the ball' they go.
Quotepull teams around with clever passing
Thats not going tp happen with the current crop. Garcia for all his faults has a passing football brain.
He is the one player who can play a clever pass. More often than not he irritates but at times you think he is thinking too far ahead for his team mates..
Garcia is an annoying wee bollix and they are better without him than they are with him him. I firmly believe if they had one more top class defender and a goal scorer they would be an excellent team. Also a change in formation could see them playing better too. Instead of playing 4-4-2 if they had Hyppia(or another top class defender) in alongside Carra and Agger with Riise and Finnan as wing backs, Alonso and Sissoko or Mascherano as the holding midfield players with Gerrard in an advanced midfield role with Kuyt and Bellamy(or a new striker) I think they would be much better. You would have Gerrard where he can cause most damage, and the balance would be better than it is at the minute.
Those RTE boys are way OTT about everything. Really, listen to them tonight about the Utd players and all you'll hear is Ronaldo's crap, as is Carrick, as is Ferdinand, as is Saha, as is all the Utd players who haven't played in the treble season (apart from Rooney). It sickens my hole the way they are always OTT about everything.
QuoteI firmly believe if they had one more top class defender and a goal scorer they would be an excellent team
Do you not think that last night showed that our midfield completely lacks a footballing brain??
Am very disappointed with Alonsos form at the moment.
The 2 goals we got in the Nou camp were defensives errors..
Yes we hit the bar twice last night but it wasnt creativity that made the chances..
Alonso is playing poorly at the minute but that doesn't mean he is not a good player. I have seen him dictate games with his range of passing, and I sometimes feel that because so much has to go through Gerrard that Alonso's game suffers. I think he has the footballing brain to be the one who makes things happen. I would be more concerned about how much Sissoko gives away than Alonso. I feel that his contribution is outweighed at the minute by how much possession he losses. From what I have seen of Mascherano he can do an adequate enough ball winning job but is smarter on the ball.
Rossie, you say 'not with the current crop', and to an extent I agree. However, these guys are professional footballers and should be able to pass the ball around. You need to work on these things in training, and I think that is being neglected.
Also, if the 'current' crop cannot do this, even after training, then get rid of them. I still think that every one of them could be proficient ball-players if that was made a priority. You can't tell me that Xabi Alonso cannot pass a ball 15 yards, and that Sissoko should not be able to do likewise.
Pass and Move is more than a tactic, it's a philosophy, and it has to be drummed into the players. Arsenal have it, United have it and Liverpool made an art form of it in the 70s and 80s. We need to get it back.
Do ye remeber Sissoko hoofing the ball straight up in the air last Saturday. There was no-one near him and the ball came straight down to him. A surreal moment.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 07, 2007, 02:11:24 PM
Rossie, you say 'not with the current crop', and to an extent I agree. However, these guys are professional footballers and should be able to pass the ball around. You need to work on these things in training, and I think that is being neglected.
Also, if the 'current' crop cannot do this, even after training, then get rid of them. I still think that every one of them could be proficient ball-players if that was made a priority. You can't tell me that Xabi Alonso cannot pass a ball 15 yards, and that Sissoko should not be able to do likewise.
Pass and Move is more than a tactic, it's a philosophy, and it has to be drummed into the players. Arsenal have it, United have it and Liverpool made an art form of it in the 70s and 80s. We need to get it back.
it is, its the Liverpool groove :D ;D
Yep Seanie. That was the moment when I finally got to use George Best's quote, and mean it. 'That lad can control the ball further than I can kick it'.
He did something similar last night as well. Sissoko will be a good player for Liverpool if he is groomed right, and made learn passing (see my posts above) but at the moment he is pure raw, and a liability when LFC have the ball.
He's like Hamann - only he can't pass
Pass and move is the only way to do it and from reading about the teams under Shanks and "Sir" Bob :P I think the only way to achieve this is by plaing endless 1 touch 5 a side games. Liverpool have become too much of a Charlton-esque 'put um under pressure' team and players like Alonso are suffering as a result. These players have the ability to play the game the way it should be and should be encouraged to do so. Maybe,as AZ says, it is being neglected at Melwood. Any successful team in any sport is made up of a group of good players, with a clear strategy which they constantly practise. To my mind Liverpool have all this, it is just that the strategy is not what we all would like.
That's it Slim, and if they even made a (c)rap song out of it, it shows what they were built on. If they were to release a single now it'd be something like 'Tackle and Punt, Garcia's a cnut'
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 07, 2007, 02:22:20 PM
That's it Slim, and if they even made a (c)rap song out of it, it shows what they were built on. If they were to release a single now it'd be something like 'Tackle and Punt, Garcia's a cnut'
:D :D
A couple of points, if barca were kerry 2002 liverpool are Armagh. Finnan and Carra made a lot of wonder tackles, agger is fitting in well. Midfield can only do as well as the movement of the fwds will allow. Keegan, rush, fowler (mark 1) aldridge all had brilliant positional sense and the midfielders knew where the runs were being made and the passing was great to watch. Dalglish and to an extent Litmannen were pivots that could score and tore defences apart. Fowler mark 2 has the positional sense but isn't fit enough to play week in week out so the midfield don't get the familiarity required for a natural finisher. Crouch and kuyt work hard admittedly, but I really don't care and don't want to watch a hard working 12 goal a year striker. Liverpool are not sheffield wednesday. Bellamy is another mickey owen except not as good, and I didn't really have that much time for the first one. Maschareno I feel will be a good cog in the wheel. Sissoko as a poor mans keane, and we need that snarl in the middle. The key to a premiership win is a world class forward line, a pivot and a natural finisher. Bellamy, crouch and kuyt should go. Fowler mark 2 has another year as a back up, but the other three should be worth enough in the transfer market plus the dollars available in the summer should be able to bring in 2 class acts up front. The platform is there to be built on
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Chelsea
PSV
AC Milan
Valencia
Bayern Munich
Roma
Man United
Well lads who'd ye like?
Wouldn't be afraid of any of them myself i think we are more than capable of beating any of those over two legs
It's wide open now with Inter,Real and Barcelona gone
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 07, 2007, 10:28:20 PM
Chelsea
PSV
AC Milan
Valencia
Bayern Munich
Roma
Man United
Well lads who'd ye like?
Wouldn't be afraid of any of them myself i think we are more than capable of beating any of those over two legs
It's wide open now with Inter,Real and Barcelona gone
I wouldnt give a shit about any of them, PSV or Milan will do. Milan were rubbish and if you watch Kaka they can be dealt with....
Liverpool will beat PSV. A poor side.
Think we can beat anyone left over 2 legs. Benitez knows how to set his teams up for two legged affairs. Hopefully Chelsea and United draw each other although I'm sure United will get PSV knowing their luck in the draws.
Everyone will want PSV but Bayern and Milan don't have great sides at present by their own high standards.
I'm sure Rafa would know Valencia inside out.
It really is wide open now.
Out of them all i think Valencia are the biggest threats
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 07, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
but Bayern and Milan don't have great sides at present by their own high standards.
Kahn, Sagnol, Lucio, Lahm, Hargreaves, van Bommell (although he did get sent off tonight so will miss the next game), Schweinsteiger (sp?), Makaay, Pizarro, Podolski.....
I reckon Bayern won't be too far away.
I will agree that it's wide open though.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 07, 2007, 10:28:20 PM
Chelsea
PSV
AC Milan
Valencia
Bayern Munich
Roma
Man United
Well lads who'd ye like?
Wouldn't be afraid of any of them myself i think we are more than capable of beating any of those over two legs
It's wide open now with Inter,Real and Barcelona gone
It would be some crack if Liverpool and United got each other at some stage! It doesn't bear thinking about, getting knocked out of the Champions League by United, and, I'm sure, vice versa for them!
In terms of progressing, I would like to avoid United, Valencia and Chelsea, although not one of those sides is a walk over for any other.
Its going to be fun!
Benitez makes perfect pitch to new owners
By Sam Wallace
Published: 08 March 2007
Lucky old Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, because events like Tuesday night at Anfield are exactly why American billionaires of a pensionable age buy English football clubs. The chance to hear a load of songs you do not quite understand, to watch on both sides a lot of famous footballers you do not quite recognise. When you can have all that, why leave the money to the grandchildren?
The Glazers would love to do the same but they have not been accepted in the same way in Manchester, certainly not to the extent of Stars and Stripes being flown on the Stretford End, as they have been on the Kop of late (with a star for every European Cup triumph). Nights like Tuesday are when the Americans can appreciate the full eccentricity of their new sport - victory in defeat? - as well as a place in the Champions League quarter-finals.
In short, a great Liverpool night and, in terms of the opposition eliminated, knocking out Barcelona compared with all the big ones in recent memory, Roma (2002), Olympiakos (2004) and Chelsea (2005). That is the simple version for the owners who arrived at Anfield talking the innocents' jargon of "goaltenders" and "defensemen"; the more complex interpretation requires a bit more explanation. Namely, is the way that Liverpool played - the hustling, the containment, the pressing - the long-term solution, enough to win another European Cup?
Just the debate itself is one that is likely to make Benitez despair. For 180 minutes we had heard barely a tinkle from the great orchestra of Barcelona's attacking talent. Whatever problems that club is experiencing it is an astounding achievement just to keep Ronaldinho in check, let alone Samuel Eto'o, Lionel Messi and Deco.
And yet on Irish television's RTE the pundits John Giles and Liam Brady whipped up something of a storm among the club's following there by saying that more should have been done against a Barcelona team there for the taking. And Rijkaard, who was gracious and philosophical in defeat, also talked about a Liverpool team "full of teamwork" - and a way of playing, he added pointedly, "they do quite well".
Unfortunately Benitez's style means that he can eliminate the European champions and still have people asking him for more. He might say that with the money promised by his American owners he will be able to assemble a more dominant team. For now he is busy taking apart English football's comfortable old approach of honest naïvety in European competition; the days when the English would throw the kitchen sink at the opposition and the opposition would throw them out of the competition.
Anfield was an education in a more sophisticated way. Some might squirm in their seats at the prospect of not trying to beat Ronaldinho and his team-mates at their own expansive game, but to Benitez that kind of talk is madness. The Liverpool manager, and to a lesser extent Jose Mourinho, have made their sides in Europe less lovable and a lot more successful.
There were also some performances which were beyond reproach. Jamie Carragher is a defender who seems to intervene in the very last frame of the action, in that brief moment of vulnerability when the attacker draws back his foot and takes one last glance at the goal. So, too, Steve Finnan and Daniel Agger, who never wavered in their concentration. This was a brilliantly conceived performance in which - other than in Eidur Gudjohnsen's goal - Benitez must have seen the drills and the patterns of the training ground played out to perfection.
Benitez has ignored the British game's obsession with declaring your best XI and your way of winning. He has a different team for every different game, he asks players to play different ways on different occasions, he is happy to win away and lose at home if that gets the team through. He wins European Cups before Premiership titles. It does not always work, but on Tuesday night even the novice Americans would have seen it was Europe's defending champions who looked the most naïve.
jamie carragher is the best centre back in the world
If ferdinand is worth 30mill then jamie is worth 90million
Carragher is fully committed I'll give him that....but Ferdinand is that quick he doesn't need to make all those last ditch blocks Carra is reknown for.
The 2 of them together would be a decent partnership....though I wouldn't swap Rio & Vidic for any centre back pairing!
i'd have anton over rio anyday
your last 2 posts are absolutely ridiculous, switch your computer off before you make any more of a bollocks of yourself!! :D
European Football
by Phil McNulty - BBC Sport 07 March 2007
Take your mind back to the first week of January - the week when Arsene Wenger was hailed as the great visionary and Rafael Benitez as a bungler who did not know his best team.
Arsenal dumped Liverpool out of the FA Cup on the Saturday then became the first visiting side to score six at Anfield for 77 years in a Carling Cup tie on the Tuesday.
Wenger's brilliant band of youngsters ran Liverpool ragged, with Benitez accused of betraying Anfield's great traditions by fielding weakened sides.
Liverpool supporters voiced disapproval, but Benitez was unrepentant, effectively saying he had not come to Anfield to win the Carling Cup.
He wanted the Premiership or the Champions League.
Arsenal and Wenger, in contrast, were almost obliterated by the bouquets hurled in their direction. The world was at their feet.
How we laughed. At Benitez.
Turn the clock forward to where we stand after a dramatic two nights of Champions League football and who is laughing now?
Wenger's season has collapsed in the space of 10 days that have damaged Arsenal's image and left them empty-handed in their glittering new Emirates Stadium.
Arsenal were outstanding in defeat against Chelsea in a Carling Cup final that ended in acrimony, but were then promptly dumped out of the FA Cup by Blackburn.
And the Champions League exit at the hands of PSV Eindhoven capped a miserable 10 days.
Benitez, on the other hand, has been hailed as one of the finest tactical brains in football after meticulously plotting Barcelona's downfall to reach the last eight.
Arsenal went the way we always knew they would. Passing the opposition into submission, then missing the chances that should have sent them through.
The glitter has been taken off Wenger's golden generation - for now at least.
Benitez is an altogether more pragmatic figure. If you want romance, send flowers but don't look for it in his football teams.
He deals in the small details, whereas Wenger is an admirable man of footballing principle who embraces the beautiful game.
But after two seasons without a trophy, it may be time for Wenger to adopt a little of Benitez's hard-nosed realism.
No-one would suggest for one second Wenger is under pressure, but two seasons without a trophy is not good news for Arsenal as they settle into a new home.
Benitez's insistence that he was seeing the bigger picture has arguably made Liverpool the best-equipped of the Premiership trio still in the Champions League to go on and win the trophy.
And that statement is made with the knowledge that Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson have set their heart on reclaiming the trophy.
The Spaniard still fails to nail down the Premiership, but he has no peers when it comes to plotting a route around Europe.
And Liverpool's fans will start to see uncanny echoes of 2005, when they emerged from the shadows to win the trophy in Istanbul.
Examine the evidence.
Benitez was criticised for fielding a below-strength team in an FA Cup defeat at Burnley, but then a succession of high-quality opponents fell by the wayside in Europe.
Make no mistake, no team in the draw will want to be paired with Liverpool in the quarter-final.
And this is not just because of the prospect of facing Steven Gerrard or confronting The Kop. It is also the fact that they will have to out-smart Benitez.
Wenger will be a miserable man after their loss.
He is a bad loser at the best of times, and three hammer blows in less than a fortnight will not be well-received.
Unthinkable as it may seem, maybe it is time he put his principles - laudable though they are - to one side and put a little bit of the Benitez philosophy into his talented but flawed Arsenal side.
He must dwell on that while Benitez eyes up another Champions League crown - but wasn't that what he said he was doing after losing 6-3 to Arsenal in the Carling Cup?
Quote from: SuperSub on March 08, 2007, 12:12:57 PM
i'd have anton over rio anyday
WTF :D :D
Who let this joker in :D
alright the anton thing was meant as a joke,but in fairness carra is way better that rio
Ferdinand would look more at home in a pond full of ducks in a park somewhere than on a football field ;). He has one of those faces you just want to punch ;D ;D
Part of the best defense in the Premiership all the same. Along with Gary Neville. Just cos you hate someone doesn't mean they're shite.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 08, 2007, 12:55:56 PM
Part of the best defense in the Premiership all the same. Along with Gary Neville. Just cos you hate someone doesn't mean they're shite.
Plug isn't shite. Just overrated. Although I'm not even sure he's rated as highly now as he used to be anyway so maybe it's a moot point.
Quote from: hobnob1 on March 08, 2007, 12:49:15 PM
He has one of those faces you just want to punch ;D ;D
Jaysus, you are one tough motherfcuker :-*
Galwaybayboy.....The article you posted brings me back to when Arsenal beat us 6-3 in Carling Cup. That managerial juggernaut (sacked from Walsall) Paul Merson (on Sky Sports) was telling Jamie Redknapp that Rafa had lost it & this was the 1st time he was under pressure as Liverpool manager. Jamie got off the fence & told Merson that we could beat Barcelona, Merson started pissing himself laughing........Oh how i laughed on Tuesday night
QuoteThat managerial juggernaut (sacked from Walsall) Paul Merson
There must be something about Walsall and great managers!
...& their assistant managers!!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
So PSV it is then probaly the best draw we could have got,they weren't a handfull in the group stages
Would have been happier meeting United in semis if we get through rather than Chelsea but there all hard at this stage
Liverpool v Ac Milan final again?
It's 10/1 with paddypower for Liverpool v Milan in final
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6441661.stm
looks like Alex is out for the rest of the season for PSV
Interesting article about the takeover of your "franchise". No wonder Moores was whoring the club all over the world to get the f**k out as soon as he could. Looks like the tooth fairy or Santa Claus will be funding all these big purchases you are going to be making in the summer....
Americans borrow £298m to buy Liverpool
Club likely to foot annual £21.5m interest payments
Moores family loaned £10m for new signings
David Conn
Wednesday March 14, 2007
The Guardian
Thomas O Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the two American businessmen who are close to completing their takeover of Liverpool, have borrowed almost £300m from the Royal Bank of Scotland to finance the deal. The bank has loaned the money at 1.5% above the current standard lending rate, meaning that about £21.5m interest will be payable this year.
The debt is not being taken on by the club in the way the Glazer family loaded Manchester United with £660m borrowings from their 2005 takeover, but professionals close to the deal said it was nevertheless likely that Liverpool would pay the interest, or pay Hicks and Gillett "a big dividend" at the end of the year to enable them to do so.
The terms of the loans are in the offer document sent to all shareholders, revealing that the two men are borrowing £185m to pay for the £174m takeover itself and associated costs, with another £113m available as a "revolving credit facility" to absorb Liverpool's debts and fund the club and preliminary work on the new 60,000-seat stadium. A further £200m will be borrowed to build the stadium but the way that will be done has not been worked out. The initial £298m loans are guaranteed by Hicks and Gillett personally.
The offer document also reveals how stretched Liverpool became financially last year as the chief executive, Rick Parry, searched for someone to take over the club. In August the then chairman David Moores lent the club £10m - £2m personally and £8m from a family trust - to let the manager, Rafael Benítez, have some money to strengthen the squad, which he spent on buying the striker Dirk Kuyt.
Parry said that with a takeover likely the club had not wanted to take on more bank finance. "We were at the limit in terms of our short-term borrowing facilities and were racking up expenditure keeping the stadium on schedule, so it was a fantastic gesture by David to make that money available." Along with the money Hicks and Gillett are paying for his shares, Moores will have his loans repaid in full.
The takeover is certain to go through after it was confirmed last week that over 80% of Liverpool shareholders had accepted the offer of £5,000 a share. Moores, the former 51.5% shareholder, will be paid £89.615m for the 17,923 shares he bought for about £12m.
Robert Tilliss, the New York-based financial adviser to Hicks and Gillett, said the men had been attracted by buying "one of the leading brands in the world's No1 sport". He said they would bring their sports business expertise over from the US, where $20bn (£10.3bn) has been spent in recent years upgrading stadiums whose ticket prices make those in the Premiership seem like a snip. Tilliss said the popularity of English football in Asia had also been a factor. "All clubs in the US continue to drive on international, national and local revenues, and the great brands of English football certainly have room to develop."
Hicks and Gillett, who have said they intend to be "custodians" and hold Liverpool as a family asset, will own the club via a company structure based in the tax havens of the Cayman Islands and the US state of Delaware. The ultimate holding company, Kop Investment LLC, is registered in Delaware, which has low corporation tax and no capital gains tax, and its principal office is at Hicks's corporate headquarters in Dallas, Texas. One professional involved with the deal said that this did not mean the two men foresaw a sale or flotation and were "sheltering" those future gains from tax, but that it was simply "a tax efficient" way to structure the deal.
How is it a "franchise" Seanie? Can we be moved anywhere?
Why don't you ask Mr Gillett? It was his word, not mine.
An American making a mistake a few days after he bought the team - shock horror
I would suggest that those boys make very few mistakes. But by all means ignore the article (and the little jibe) and continue to keep your heads in the sand and dream of competing in the transfer market with Chelski.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6450893.stm
QuoteLiverpool's new owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have suspended work on their proposed new stadium and ordered a review of the plans.
BBC Sport understands the pair want to examine ways of increasing the 60,000 capacity of the arena in Stanley Park.
Liverpool have targeted 2009 as an opening date for the stadium, but if major changes are made, there would need to be a new planning application.
This could result in a delay, although the original date may yet be met.
Liverpool have yet to confirm the decision to suspend preparatory work on the £215m project.
But BBC Sport believes the club's hierarchy regards the move to commission a review of the plans as a sign of the huge ambition of Gillett and Hicks rather than any move to back away from the original scheme.
Gillett and Hicks are fully behind the project as part of their takeover plan, and it is understood the review will take ''weeks rather than months'', allowing work on any alterations to the original design to get under way as soon as possible.
An increased capacity will be one of the plans under discussion during the review, but this is not a guarantee that this will happen.
Work on the new ground needs to start in the spring because public money has been allocated to the regeneration element of the plan, and it has to be spent by the end of 2008.
Gillett said in early February: "The shovel needs to be in the ground in the next 60 days.
"We are fully supportive of the Stanley Park development and of building a facility that we hope will be the greatest facility in this sport.
"We do work hard on design and development and making sure the quality of the fan experience is unparalleled.
"We want to make sure the newest technology is incorporated in it. It is about the comfort of fans."
And Hicks added: "We have our own people lined up to see if, within the confines of the plans, there are any other ideas that would be good for the fans."
I wouldnt pay too much attention to that toolbag Magpie Seaneen shitstirring, i think most Liverpool fans agree we have the right manager and the right owners.
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on March 14, 2007, 08:56:08 PM
I wouldnt pay too much attention to that toolbag Magpie Seaneen shitstirring, i think most Liverpool fans agree we have the right manager and the right owners.
We have the right manager. Whether the new owners will do the business for the club remains to be seen.
Quote from: J70 on March 14, 2007, 11:01:43 PM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on March 14, 2007, 08:56:08 PM
I wouldnt pay too much attention to that toolbag Magpie Seaneen shitstirring, i think most Liverpool fans agree we have the right manager and the right owners.
We have the right manager. Whether the new owners will do the business for the club remains to be seen.
Time will tell but they seem to have a good track record.
Quotei think most Liverpool fans agree we have the right manager and the right owners
That's my very point. The unquestioning acceptance of these guys is amazing to me. Granted a lot of the muppets that support United did the same with the Glazers but at least there was significant resistance to them foisting massive debt on the club. Do some maths FFS. Unless some bargains are picked up or Liverpools youth system produces a few beauts then the long wait for your first post backpass rule change championship will go on for a while yet.
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is ready to swoop for Athletic Bilbao defender Mikel San Jose. (Daily Mirror)
Anyone know much about this guy?
Quote from: supersarsfields on March 15, 2007, 12:33:11 PM
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is ready to swoop for Athletic Bilbao defender Mikel San Jose. (Daily Mirror)
Anyone know much about this guy?
Horefully not another f**king Josemi or Pellegrino..... >:(
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on March 15, 2007, 05:44:56 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on March 15, 2007, 12:33:11 PM
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is ready to swoop for Athletic Bilbao defender Mikel San Jose. (Daily Mirror)
Anyone know much about this guy?
Horefully not another f**king Josemi or Pellegrino..... >:(
Josemi was strange, because he looked very solid after he arrived. Then he got injured, and when he came back, he was a bloody headless chicken, giving the ball away and constantly getting caught out of position! Pellegrino hadn't played in months before he came, and I suppose it was a bit much to expect a veteran defender, even one as good as he was in his prime, to adapt to the English game at that stage of his career. Even a great like Lauren Blanc struggled a bit during his spell at United.
This lad is only 17 and won't cost very much, so I doubt if we're going to be seeing him near the first team squad for the next while.
Lucky escape before half-time there, from the chance first, and then from the foul on Petrov. Looked a penalty to me.
What a crap game. They would need to get their fingers out in 2nd half. Mascherano has contracted Sissokoitis and is giving the ball away cheaply
Not playing well at all,very bad game,if anything Villa look more like scoring
Fcuk that was painful watching that, need to get some new faces in the summer.
So close from Fowler would love to see him score
All over 0-0
I think the title of the thread on Red and White Kop says it all!: Aston Villa 0-0 Liverpool: Post Game Discussion (For those still awake)
Liverpool have been struggling a bit in front of goals over the last month - Everton, United, Villa, Barcelona at home (Sheff Utd game, with two penalties, excepted!). Could be a worry with Arsenal and PSV coming up next.
We will struggle for goals until the summer when we get somebody prolific in. I know i risk incurring the wrath of the English Medis but i think Gerrard is playing shite at the minute just when we need him to be on top of his game. I thought the commentator on Sky was gonna have a f**king hernia when Gerrard went down after a tackle, "Oh Steve Mc Claren will be crapping himself" etc, who gives a f**k about England.
We look tired although Andy Johnston did us a big favour. Is there any chance Garcia will be available before the end of the season ?I think his touch could be what the Doctor ordered for the CL final victory over MUFC ;)
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 18, 2007, 07:54:13 PM
We look tired although Andy Johnston did us a big favour. Is there any chance Garcia will be available before the end of the season ?I think his touch could be what the Doctor ordered for the CL final victory over MUFC ;)
Hopefully those cnuts will get their medicine before the final ;D
PSV lost 5-1 at home to Ajax! :o
QuotePSV lost 5-1 at home to Ajax!
As I've said before, Arsenal made them look good. Think ahead to worrying about Chelsea 'cos PSV are dross.
I see the ref was about to send off the granny shagger at the end of the United game but bottled it....
Definitely, if that was anyone else he was off!! He was behaving like a p***k there for the last fifteen minutes, they say he's smart but the ignoramus could have been sent off and blown United's title
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on March 19, 2007, 09:57:22 PM
I see the ref was about to send off the granny shagger at the end of the United game but bottled it....
Syd
he was replacing the red card back in his pocket after the Boro thug tried to take Ronaldos legs off from the knees down, mind you hes was a silly fecker and could have balloxed up the run in
How do youse think the match will go tomorrow against the gutless wonders??
Liverppol win..I see John Arne Riise was declared bankrupt today
Critical game today.See Crouch is available but not sure if he should start. The Guardian had an interesting feature yesterday about the contribution Agger has made to the defence. We have only conceded 5 goals in the league when he has played. Also our defence has become meaner overall - in 04/05 conceded average 1.07,05/06 average 0.87,06/07 average 0.66. Total anorak stuff but if we had a consistent striker....
4-1 Crouch
Big man playing well
So we only lost 13-8 on aggregate :D
The 3rd was a beauty
Was working so only got last five mins of match..Easy enough today was it?
Great result - nicely set up - if only crouchey had played like that all season.Arsenal seem to have lost it so lets make third place ours.
Yeah, the Gunner Boys were reading to many Daily Sun's about how great there B side was before the season got serious. No medals are handed out in January. Still have a talented bunch, but needed a reality check. Beating two slapped together L'pool sides does not make you great. In fact beating two unslapped together L'pool sides side only ranks average. They are one for the future, but Leeds will tell you how that can fall apart!
The Villa sleepwalk aside, today's match wasn't hugely different to recent performances against the likes of United and Barcelona - Liverpool just stuck a few in the net this time!
I don't think it matters much whether Liverpool finish third or fourth. At this stage, the priority has to be the Champions League quarter final and getting the five wins from the remaining seven league games to guarantee Champions League football next year. Beyond that, if Arsenal win their game in hand and finish third, what difference does it make?
Prestige ,money and bragging rights
Great performance yesterday, pity we could not be as prolific all season and it does not change my mind about the need for new strikers in the summer. I think Mascherano could be the steal of the season now that he isnt playing with a pile of wasters. I think in a year or two Agger will be the best central defender in the premiership.
GOOD TO SEE RAFA HAS A HEADACHE FOR THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE GAME!WILL BELLERS BE FIT AND IS MASCHERANO AVAILABLE?ID IMAGINE FINNAN WAS NOT IN THE SQUAD TEAM,AS RAFA WILL START HIM AT RIGHT BACK SAME WITH RIISE AND MOMO.ID IMAGINE IT WILL BE REINA,FINNAN,CARRAGHER,AGGER,RIISE,STEVIE,ALONSO,MOMO,AURELIO,CROUCH,KUYT?ANY THOUGHTS?THOUGH BELLERS WILL OFFER A THREAT INBEHIND THE DEFENCE.HARD TO DROP CROUCH AFTER WEEKEND AND IMO KUYT IS RAFAS NUMBER 1
Only getting round to posting on this now. Good preformance by liverpool alright. Crouch was on top form and took the goals well. Was impressed with Aurelio as well. Had big doubts over him to be honest but his crosses were inch perfect for most of the game. And Mashcerano looks like he might unsettle Sissiko (sp). He can make the tackles and is also able to ball a ball over 10 yards. His ball over the top to Pennant for Crouch's third was great. Tho he just might not have the engin that Momo has.
But have to be honest I thought Arsenal were terrible in patches. I know Liverpool closed them down early and put pressure on them, but you'd still expect them to put up a better performance than that.
So fingers crossed we can hold out for 3rd place and maybe get a bit farther in that auld European cup thingy we seem to like so much!!
Great result against the arse. We needed this after what they did to us in january. Big match tonight i reckon team will be something similar to the one that faced Barca.
Reina
Finnan, Carra, Agger, Arbeloa
Gerrard, Alonso, Masch, Riise
Kuyt, Bellamy
Crouch could come in for Bells if his ribs are still giving him jip
tink rafas main front 2 bellamy and kuyt.i was thinking the same.would def start crouch as we havent been fulla goals
I would personally start Crouch, but ye know what Rafa is like. Kuyt is in there for his work rate and because he knows the dutch game inside out. Bells is in for his pace, which is essential in the away leg.
If i was picking the team I would have it a bit like saturdays line up. With Crouch up front and Gerrard supporting him (impossible to mark). I'd have Alonso and Masch (how could he not get in the west ham side?!) in the middle, breaking attacks up and controlling things. I'd slot Riise in at left back and have Aurelio in front of him, swinging in balls to Crouch to attack or lay off for a Stevie G thunderbolt. Finnan and Pennant on the right doing the same thing. But no doubt Rafa will think up some tactical masterplan nothing like what I have just mentioned
gawa u may be right as rafa has been known 2 play 1 up front in away european games.though i feel that playing 2 up front will help us get the vital away goal we crave especially with psv minus a few men 2nite.on the back of the mirror 2day it says rafa will be given 40 million during summer ;D this will mean we can go for top players not potential like gonzalez etc.aparantly eto'o the main target,with alves,deco and d bent also linked
He would hardly get all them for 40million.
Deco would be great.Thought he'd get more than 40mill though i understood it was gonna be 100million
they where the names linked.duno if deco would fit into our 4-4-2 formation,rafa likes to play 2 ball winners e.g.albelba,baraja at valencia and momo/xavi at the pool.would love eto'o,would be unsure of bent though 2 b honest.id say fowler will be away during summer and possibly crouch or bellamy
Rafa could spring a surprise and go for the jugular, he played 2 up front at the nou camp, PSV is on a bad run at the minute and minus a few regulars.
for me has to be bellamy and kuyt up front, pack crouch off in the summer to villa or man city or newcastle for 12mill
bellamy played wide left at the nou camp
Prediction tonight? 1-0 to the Pool
THEY APPEAL AT 6/4 LASTIME WENT THERE WITHOUT STEVIE G AND THEY HAD A STRONGER SIDE OUT
your caps lock stuck on charlie? i say 1-1 tonight, jan molby first goal scorer
thanks h apologies
Crouch and Kuyt up front
Midfield Alonso,Mascherano,Gerrard,Aurelio
Finnan Carragher Agger Riise in the backs
and Renia
Absolutely cracking header from Gerard!! Came through his own man to get it
Quite start to match then up pops Gerrard 1-0 Liverpool after 28mins great headed goal
Brilliant goal by Gerrard but its a very boring game! 2-0 pool at end i'd say.
Half Time 1-0 Liverpool..Very comfortable at the moment
Milan winning 1-0
not great viewing, but psv are playing very poorly- even given the players they are missing. They must improve in the second half. Alonso has been quiet
Great cross by Finnan hope Stan the Gaffer is watching,Didn't see Finnan in that position to cross once while playing for Ireland
cracker by riise 2-0
What a strike from Riise!! Pool are cruising, does he ever score a shit goal??
crouch 3-0
3-0 Crouch, another assist from Finnan!!!
PSV are playing totally shite
Easy Easy Easy....Probably still won't be good enough for the "experts" on RTE
Aurelio in trouble looks painfull,Gonzalez comes on
Game over 3-0 Liverpool. Better second half. Riise scored a top goal!
I told you PSV were pure dung.
That is one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a team at this stage. Must be some seriously important players that they're missing.
Shows how crap Arsenal played.
Jaysis Johhny Giles is a grumpy f**ker.4-1 on saturday and 3-0 tonight and he's still not convinced with Liverpool
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 03, 2007, 10:03:43 PM
Jaysis Johhny Giles is a grumpy f**ker.4-1 on saturday and 3-0 tonight and he's still not convinced with Liverpool
Well they're not exactly world-beaters yet, are they? 20-odd points behind United tells its own story, especially about goal-scoring.
No reason why Liverpool can't go on to win the Champions League though. On their day, they can match anyone.
Their not World beaters yet they can match anyone on their day is that not a bit of a contradiction?
While they are not the best team in the world they certainly deserve more credit than those fools on RTE give them
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 03, 2007, 10:21:30 PM
Their not World beaters yet they can match anyone on their day is that not a bit of a contradiction?
While they are not the best team in the world they certainly deserve more credit than those fools on RTE give them
I'm sure you know what I mean, given the rest of my post. They're not world beaters in that they cannot consistently grind out wins even when not playing well, like United have done this season, and Chelsea in recent seasons.
I wouldn't get too carried away yet. Liverpool couldn't put away a subdued but determined United recently. Same with Everton. The less said about the Villa game the better. We played well and got the breaks against Arsenal, but another day we might not, the same as those other games. As for tonight, its great to be almost through, but PSV were absolute garbage.
Can't always put it down to the other team being garbage they still had to score the goals,if United done the same tomorrow night after Roma being garbage it be hailed as a great european result..My beef is not with you J70 it's those knobs on RTE
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 03, 2007, 10:35:24 PM
Can't always put it down to the other team being garbage they still had to score the goals,if United done the same tomorrow night after Roma being garbage it be hailed as a great european result..My beef is not with you J70 it's those knobs on RTE
But the United lads on the board are forever whinging about bias against them, from both RTE and BBC!
What did the three stooges have to say on RTE tonight?
Was just Giles and Brady tonight the only onw who talked any sense was Trevor Steven who Giles and Brady both disagreed with not surprisingly..
Liverpool won 3-0 yet Giles reckon they should have done more in first 20mins while Stevens thought in the first half of a first leg match you don't go gung ho which i would agree with.FFS they won 3-0 what difference does it make that they didn't drive forward in first 20mins ???
Also Giles was saying Liverpool didn't play well but football is all about the result and not the preformance...Strange then that after the Ireland/Wales match he said it's just as much about the preformance as the result a contradiction or what!!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 03, 2007, 10:47:33 PM
Was just Giles and Brady tonight the only onw who talked any sense was Trevor Steven who Giles and Brady both disagreed with not surprisingly..
Liverpool won 3-0 yet Giles reckon they should have done more in first 20mins while Stevens thought in the first half of a first leg match you don't go gung ho which i would agree with.FFS they won 3-0 what difference does it make that they didn't drive forward in first 20mins ???
Also Giles was saying Liverpool didn't play well but football is all about the result and not the preformance...Strange then that after the Ireland/Wales match he said it's just as much about the preformance as the result a contradiction or what!!
Its all about context. After the rubbish against Wales, it was probably very fair to say that Ireland required a decent performance. There weren't too many satisfied with the victories over either Wales or San Marino, were there. If you can't put on a semi-decent show against teams of that calibre, what hope do you have against the likes of the Czechs or Germans?
And Liverpool, while obviously far better than PSV tonight, didn't even get out of second gear, but we know they are well capable of putting on a better show. That does not apply to Ireland under Steve Staunton.
Anyway, I think some of you lads take what the pundits have to say far too seriously and far too personally. They're all there to give an opinion, and given that football isn't a science, they're all going to have different ones. Personally, I think Giles, Brady et al. are superb at what they do. RTE's analysis is streets ahead of everyone else.
A good result last night, but the opposition weren't up to it. They didn't really seem to have any fight in them, especially after Gerrard scored. that fkd their plans up. Nil nil was their aim.
Had to laugh at RTE commentary after the match. Finnan was criticised for not going forward even though he set up 2 goals. all the talk was about the first 20 mins. what do they expect defenders to do?
Their a complete joke on RTE it's time for a change.
They have been slaging Ronaldo all year and their abuse has got so bad it would be impossible from them to do a U turn now,so instead they sit there week after week making up new ways to slag him.Now i don't think that Ronaldo is the worlds best player as Ferguson thinks but in fairness to him he's top scorer in Premiership and has won a lot of games on his own this year for the scum
Dunphy is just a complete w**ker..Can you imagine O'Rourke or Brolly coming on the sunday game and saying they hoped Meath/Derry lost so they could prove a point?
Giles has lost it altogether he just sits there every week contradicting what he said the previous week.
When Liverpool won the treble they got no credit,when they won the Champions League they got no credit,after beating Barcelona this year was the worst of all,Slagging them off because they didn't attack Barcelona in the last 20mins of a 2nd leg tie in which Barca needed to score twice,surely defending was the right thing to and play on the counter attack rather than go gung ho and leave gaps at the back,Oh and they never mentioned the three times Liverpool hit the crossbar in the first half or any of the goal line clearence's
j70 what are u talking about rte has the best tv coverage.joke!i just turn over the odd occassion to have a laugh at how ridiculous they are and the amount of crap they talk.your ideal line up for tv coverage would probably be giles,dunphy and ian wright!
in response to lpool being "worldbeaters"think that totally unrealistic at this stage.definate=ly need a 20 goal a season man and a left winger during the summer,possibly another central defender coz sami getting on.however,in europe rafas tactical knowledge seems to pull through.clive tyldsley said on itv last night that if there was one team in europe u wouldnt want be one down against its liverpool
Giles and chippy both made excellent points about liverpool being fantastic without the ball, the organisation is fantastic. And they had a point about alonso shirking his responsibilities to get on the ball but talk about bullying stevens, and he was perfectly right, getting ur wing backs forward int he first 20 mins would have been stupid.
So it looks fairly certain its onto chelsea or valencia, tough call as to who you would want. We have the beating of chelsea at the minute but would fear drogba. Valencia are excellent but rafa would know them inside out
Quote from: charlie stubbs on April 04, 2007, 09:28:35 AM
possibly another central defender coz sami getting on.
In fairness Sami is only a reserve at this stage, Carra & Agger are as good a pairing as there is about.
Excellent result which should make the return leg fairly comfortable. The performance to my mind was suffiicient but must really be seen in light of a very inept opposition. Whatever about how they played against Arsenal, they were dreadful last night. Thety were shaky and disorgainised in defence and had to rely on Gomez to pull them out a few times. Midfiled lacked invention and Cocu for all his attributes is definitely the feet up stage of his career. With no out and out striker they were never going to be a threat from open play and were only really going to be dangerous on setplays. They were negative and were only working on damage limitation as opposed to geeting anything out of the game.
Liverpool approached the game correctly in my view. Going out they didn't know how PSV would really play. Although Koeman said in the press they were going to play a defensive game, managers generally get into this sort of codology to try to unhinge the preparations of the opposition, therefore Liverpool were right to take it cautious at the start and it is amazing that I am agreeing with a former Everton and Rangers player but he called it right. Chippy and Giles had points, but they treat us like dummies by trying to force it down our throats. They must think that the viewers have no capacity to think for themselves and therefore have to provide us with opinions we should agree with. In any event Chippy os still sore that the Gooners are out and that Liverpool spanked them at the weekend ;D
The thing is though that I am not sure this will beat either Chelsea or Valencia and Rafa needs to get them pushing on a bit more. With Aurelio likely to be out Arbelo is probably going to come in at left back in his place. Mascherano will keep his place I hope as he is providing more in the middle than Momo and I think provides a better balance to the team as he holds the middle better. Although the strikers cannot be faulted for their workrate, at least one of them has to start being more of a poacher. Crouch took his goal well so maybe he is the man to be in and around the box more.
Anyway, the semis beckon and complaccncy is the biggest threat now. They have to stamp their authority on the return leg early and I think Bellamy should start it as his pace will terrify the central defenders early on and hopefully nick the early goal which will flatten the tie completely.
Despite vowing never to watch the match on RTE, i could'nt resist havin a wee look, then i heard Brady backing the pool to go on a win the CL, the same man who said before the Barca game that the pool had'nt a chance :'(
CONTRADICTION,A COMMON THEME ON RTE
Quote from: charlie stubbs on April 04, 2007, 12:01:27 PM
CONTRADICTION,A COMMON THEME ON RTE
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I dont think its contradiction, he didnt fancy them v Barcelona and said so.
But they impressed and possibly changed his mind, surely thats allowed.
At the start of the season I didnt think they would win the CL, now I think they might, thats not contradiction, thats football.
Well I think BC more or less summed it up alrite. A good result against poor oppsition. But have no doubt winning 4-1 at the wkend and 3-0 last night should have a postitive effect on confidence going into the business end of the season. They should have at least 4th place sewn up at this stage so winning the CL would be a great finish to the season.
Macherano seems to have been a steal. I have no idea why Unite didn't move for him as I think they would have needed someone like him more so than Liverpool.
But he seems to have cemented himself into the team well and he'll give things a bit of an option in midfield.
Pity about Aurelio. I had doubts over him at the start as I though he was too loose in defending but his crosses were quality and he'll be sorely missed in the run in. But at least we'll get a look at this Aurbelo boyo now.
Crouch is playing well which causes a bit of a problem. I had thought that we should sell him of in the summer for £12 m or so. So now that he's popping in these goals,should liverpool sell him or not. Chances are these goals will push his value up even more if he keeps knocking them in at this rate. you could maybe sqeeze £15m out of some dim club like newcastle. Or would he be worth holding on to?
"Also Giles was saying Liverpool didn't play well but football is all about the result and not the preformance...Strange then that after the Ireland/Wales match he said it's just as much about the preformance as the result a contradiction or what!!"
DEPENDS WHO WE ARE GOING TO GET IN.IF WE WHERE TO PAY SILLY MONEY FOR BENT THEN WOULD KEEP HIM BUT IF THE SALE FOR VILLA OR ETO'O WOULD TAKE 12 OR SO
Quote from: charlie stubbs on April 04, 2007, 12:22:13 PM
"Also Giles was saying Liverpool didn't play well but football is all about the result and not the preformance...Strange then that after the Ireland/Wales match he said it's just as much about the preformance as the result a contradiction or what!!"
Charlie thats a contradiction alright!
I was talking about Brady changing his mind.
apologies dubnut
Dubnut,
Brady said he did'nt fancy the pool to win the CL before the Barca game
Quote from: Fr Ted on April 04, 2007, 12:52:18 PM
Dubnut,
Brady said he did'nt fancy the pool to win the CL before the Barca game
I know, but either did I, now I do.
Thats not contradiction, If I didnt fancy them and did fancy them at the same time its a contradiction, Brady just changed his mind.
Call the cops
Dare I say it and there was an article in one of the papers recently saying the same thing but I think the lads are getting past their best punditry wise. It's got to the stage now where I know what they're going to say before they come out with it themselves. Last night 5 minutes before half-time I could have come out with their half-time analysis almost verbatim.
Thing is there doesn't seem to be any younger pundits who are ready to take their place. No good ones anyway.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on April 04, 2007, 09:24:42 AM
j70 what are u talking about rte has the best tv coverage.joke!i just turn over the odd occassion to have a laugh at how ridiculous they are and the amount of crap they talk.your ideal line up for tv coverage would probably be giles,dunphy and ian wright!
Actually its Giles, Dunphy and Brady.
And the British line-ups must have seriously improved if you think they're better. But each to his own.
Best line-up
Hansen, Mc Coist & Dunphy with Lineker in the chair
When you add in Curly Dunphy the 3 boys have become plastic punditry. They criticise for the sake of it,they do not analyse each game dispassionately as they have pre-conceived ideals as to how a certain team plays and refuse to be moved form that and have viewpoints on managers and players which border on the ridiculous sometimes.
In essence what they were saying last night was correct to a point but they over-emphasised the value of their own wiews on it. They have an "I'm right your wrong attitude" which is tiresome and has caused to to start watching CL games on other channels.
There are few real good younger heads that have been used, Trevor Stevens I rate, if he has time between buying up different clubs Souness is a breath of fresh air. Apart from that I cannot think of any. Maybe it is time for them to start throwing the net a wee bit wider to get good ananlysis.
In regards to potential purchases, Crouch and Bellamy i think will go in the summer and Liverpool should net close to £20m for them. Cisse and Scott Carson are still Liverpool players but their loans will probably be made permanent with some form of transfer fee paid, maybe around £5m for the two of them. This added to the money the new owners are provides them with serious money to invest. Villa, E'to and a winger would be the top of the order. I don't know about Alves but rafa likes him so I think he would be likely to be the target. Bent would not be an option in my view.
Brady has taken such a venomous attitude to Liverpool's progress in this year's CL that I can't help but feel he is resentful that Arsenal can bust humps over the best part of a decade to win the thing only to have the cup dashed so cruelly from their lips, while Liverpool can bumble along aimlessly and still have more success in Europe over the last ten years than Arsenal have had in their entire history - did someone say 'Valencia', Liam? :D
Aurelio's out for four months with a ruptured achilles tendon.
Its a shame - he was starting to look the part in the last few games, and has been very unlucky with injuries so far.
Real shame about Aurelio but it's been a great 4 days.Up Brady's hole- shower of begrudgers,bring on the Chelski !
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 04, 2007, 06:22:57 PM
Real shame about Aurelio but it's been a great 4 days.Up Brady's hole- shower of begrudgers,bring on the Chelski !
mitent be chelski after lnight
Quote from: charlie stubbs on April 05, 2007, 09:29:57 AM
mitent be chelski after lnight
did you go to school at all Charlie? :D
explain
Quote from: charlie stubbs on April 05, 2007, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 04, 2007, 06:22:57 PM
Real shame about Aurelio but it's been a great 4 days.Up Brady's hole- shower of begrudgers,bring on the Chelski !
mitent be chelski after lnight
ONeill is a teacher, perhaps he could help you out.
QuoteBrady has taken such a venomous attitude to Liverpool's progress in this year's CL that I can't help but feel he is resentful that Arsenal can bust humps over the best part of a decade to win the thing only to have the cup dashed so cruelly from their lips ...
I think there's an element of truth there alright deiseach, but I don't think anyone said anything that grated with what transpired the other night. PSV were missing key players and weren't able to mount a serious challenge - Liverpool played well within themselves and won easily. The debate about whether Benitez stifled creativity in his team/players was inconclusive; I think even Rafa's family would agree that he's, ahem, careful. What is very clear is that Mascherano has made a significant difference, and has freed up Gerrard to do what he does best - playing with no responsibilities but to himself.
Really like tho look of Masher so far. But Sissoko is one of Rafa's favourite sons so I'm braced for his return and the inevitable drawbacks it would bring in terms of holding possession, and decent passing in big games where it's paramount to do so properly.
agree with cm,i rate sissoko but his tendancy to give the ball away cheaply is worrying,masch has a fine range of passing,however, dont forget how immense momo was in the camp nou.now favourites for the cleague i see
Mascherano is twice the player of sissoko.
I appreciate sissokos work ethic, but a player who is there to tackle and disrupt in midfield must be able to consistantly pass to a more creative player, or be able to release players himself, something sissoko is unable to.
Might be a bit early to judge still, but the Maschereno I saw in the last 2 games for Liverpool is the player I thought West Ham signed.
Gerrard on the Right, Maschereno and Alonso in the middle and Riise on the left is a very strong midfield.
Mascherano is one of the best midiflders in the world, despite the west ham debacle. how all of the big clubs sat on their hands and allowed liverpool to get him in january i'll never know. united in particular, given their meagre midfield resources, missed a trick.
Most clubs didn't have the political clout to get the rules bent for them to sign him.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 05, 2007, 12:36:59 PM
Most clubs didn't have the political clout to get the rules bent for them to sign him.
Exactly right...and hopefully with the Yankee money we can pay a few heads off and re-introduce the back pass rule and watch us conquer England again.
I would re-phase it as been most clubs didn't have the foresight to sign him.
Jaysus seanie you're awful bitter these days. I know we got him for a song and Utd got Carrick for ....well too much anyway, but that doesn't mean you have to be so hateful about it.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on April 05, 2007, 11:35:33 AM
agree with cm,i rate sissoko but his tendancy to give the ball away cheaply is worrying,masch has a fine range of passing,however, dont forget how immense momo was in the camp nou.now favourites for the cleague i see
Dont get too carried away, we are only favourites because we are practically in the Semis, you cant say that about the other teams yet.
no what your saying syd, when the semi-final pairings known we will prob be pushed out.agree mascherano maybe better than momo but imo he still has a big part to play for lpool for the next few years!
ETO'O: I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY WITH STEVIE G
EXCLUSIVE
By Darren Lewis
05/04/2007
BARCELONA striker Samuel Eto'o has given Liverpool fans the first hint he could be attracted by the new-found riches of Rafael Benitez.
The Cameroon hitman is the top target for the Reds following the the multimillion pound investment of new American owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks.
Widely viewed as one of the best strikers in world football, 26-year-old Eto'o was missing with a knee injury when Liverpool dumped Barca out of the Champions League. But he admits he is a big fan of Anfield skipper Steve Gerrard, Arsenal striker Thierry Henry and the Premiership.
Eto'o said: "I like Liverpool's courage. They have a big red heart. They showed that against us. We did not underestimate them. You have to recognise that in the two games, Liverpool played extremely well. They defend well and are organised. I like Gerrard. He runs a lot. He does everything well.
Gerrard is the best English player. No, change that, at the moment he is the best player in England."
Eto'o told Four Four Two magazine: "I watch English football. I like the crowd because it is always close to the pitch and the stadiums are always full.
"It's not always like that in Spain. We played at Anfield and it was very loud, with lots of different songs. I like that. Football is different in England. It has a place in English hearts." Eto'o also admitted that his love for English football extended outside Merseyside when asked about his top three strikers.
He replied: "Thierry Henry, Thierry Henry and Thierry Henry.
"He is a great player. He is number one of the great players. Great players score goals and for me he is above everybody."
But Eto'o claims he is not actively seeking a move from Barcelona, and added: "I have a contract here until 2010 and I am happy with that."
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 05, 2007, 12:36:59 PM
Most clubs didn't have the political clout to get the rules bent for them to sign him.
Well as Rafa said "The rules are the rules. The law is another thing". Your right, UEFA/FIFA would only take one of the 18 or so major European clubs seriously in that regard, in that it wouldn't just be sabre rattling, they actual would launch a case in the EU wrt to labour laws etc. Look what happened with Cork City for example of the dual standards applied. The last thing they want is another Bosman case, which might invalidate their "rules", and weaken their control further. I think such a case is inevitable in any event.
2-1 to Liverpool with a couple of minutes left.
Tough match - Reading have been very good indeed.
Champions League football next year is almost assured now,with Arsenal losing as well
If Ferdinand is worth 30million going on that basis how much is Carragher worth?
150 million?
Not saying he is worth 150million but if Ferdinand is worth 30 well then....................... :P
That is the biggest pile of shit i ever heard, yes ferdinand had a bad game 2day...but that doesnt make him worse that that hatefull **** carragher
Shut up you fool Carragher is ten times the player Ferdinand is
10 times ??? wise up child, theres a place for children like u... HOGANSTAND
Quote from: new devil on April 08, 2007, 02:50:45 AM
10 times ??? wise up child, theres a place for children like u... HOGANSTAND
"...hatefull **** carragher"
Who's the child?
Quote from: new devil on April 07, 2007, 10:22:14 PM
That is the biggest pile of shit i ever heard, yes ferdinand had a bad game 2day...but that doesnt make him worse that that hatefull **** carragher
Do you actually know Carragher? What is the basis for a childish imbecile-like comment like this?
btw hateful only has one l
yaeh New Devil I know you!!!!!!! Stay out of the liverpool thread you upstart! >:(
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 08, 2007, 02:20:02 PM
yaeh New Devil I know you!!!!!!! Stay out of the liverpool thread you upstart! >:(
spill ;)
Arsenal drop points again today,3rd place should be Liverpools now
"Cybercop" aka J70 go and cry to your mammy and get a life......
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 09, 2007, 09:13:10 PM
"Cybercop" aka J70 go and cry to your mammy and get a life......
The only children around here are those who have to resort to aggressive and offensive name-calling to get some attention because they have nothing worthwhile to say.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 09, 2007, 09:12:00 PM
Arsenal drop points again today,3rd place should be Liverpools now
Arsenal would need to be careful or their top four spot might yet be in jeopardy. Bolton are only two behind, albeit with an extra game played and an inferior goal difference.
Quote from: J70 on April 09, 2007, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 09, 2007, 09:13:10 PM
"Cybercop" aka J70 go and cry to your mammy and get a life......
The only children around here are those who have to resort to aggressive and offensive name-calling to get some attention because they have nothing worthwhile to say.
Would you include "Newdevil" in that Serpico?
Liverpool favs to win Champions League at 11/4 and its 4/1 for a Liverpool v Man Uinted final :o
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 09, 2007, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 09, 2007, 09:35:39 PM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 09, 2007, 09:13:10 PM
"Cybercop" aka J70 go and cry to your mammy and get a life......
The only children around here are those who have to resort to aggressive and offensive name-calling to get some attention because they have nothing worthwhile to say.
Would you include "Newdevil" in that Serpico?
I've already made my opinion of Newdevil's post on this thread known a bit further up the page. I don't keep track of his other posts.
Good programme on Sky One at moment... Greatest Goals scored against Man United
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 09, 2007, 10:32:40 PM
Good programme on Sky One at moment... Greatest Goals scored against Man United
Ronnie Whelan, Robbie Fowler, Riise and Patrik Berger are in there, I hope?!
Riise's is the best free kick i've ever seen :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDfQiZsQa4
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 09, 2007, 10:50:40 PM
Riise's is the best free kick i've ever seen :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDfQiZsQa4
Great shot, no question. I think that was the last time Liverpool beat United in the league at Anfield as well! :-[
Morientas on fire for Valencia tonight never saw him play like this for Liverpool
Would probably rather play Valencia and i think if Munich get through they will sort the other shower out....
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 09, 2007, 10:50:40 PM
Riise's is the best free kick i've ever seen :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDfQiZsQa4
Saw it in the flesh, as I did his mazy dribble which inspired this ditty (to the tune of Waltzing Matilda):
John Arne Riise, John Arne Riise
Ran down the wing and scored at The Pit
And we sang
And we danced
And we shook the ground that's made of wood
John Arne Riise scored against the Shit
Ah, I can feel the endorphins flooding into my system and blotting out any thoughts of tonight's results . . .
After watching match tonight i would really have preferred Valencia in semis i didn't see much from them that would trouble Liverpool
You have to wonder how many times Chelsea will lose in semi finals?
Chelsea in the semi. Bollocks! They're hard enough to beat without the motivation of the '05 semi to drive them on. Its going to be tough!
(All of this assumes an unprecedented collapse doesn't allow PSV through tomorrow of course!)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 10, 2007, 10:03:13 PM
After watching match tonight i would really have preferred Valencia in semis i didn't see much from them that would trouble Liverpool
You have to wonder how many times Chelsea will lose in semi finals?
Will Liverpool match their hunger?
God i hopw so,but im not confident we are gonna win this one :-\
It's not that I think Valencia would have been an easier tie than Chelsea (PSV, chickens, counts, hatching etc yadda blah), it's that the intensity of another Chelsea semi-final is going to send my blood pressure through the roof :-[
Quote from: deiseach on April 10, 2007, 10:32:50 PM
It's not that I think Valencia would have been an easier tie than Chelsea (PSV, chickens, counts, hatching etc yadda blah), it's that the intensity of another Chelsea semi-final is going to send my blood pressure through the roof :-[
And just think what it be like if Liverpool were to play United in the final :o :o
Fantastic performance by the boys in Blue tonight. Got to agree with Jose and state that this was the best away performance of his time at the Bridge. Caizares made 2 stunning saves to stop Chelsea winning by a greater margin that wouldn't have flattered us.
This side, no matter what people say about their style, is special. To be sitting mid April, with all the adversity that has happened this season, and still by shoting for an unprecadented quadruple is unreal. Some day, hopefully this side will get the credit that they have never received. Sure money can buy you good players, but it can't buy the spirit, hunger and determination onshow tonight.
Joe Cole showed us exactly what we have missed in the 45 minutes he was on tonight. John Obi Mikel....just gets better, and better....and better!
Perhaps we will fold now, and win nothing else, but their efforts have stiil being stunning!
Oh...and good to see both sets of fans shaking hands at the final whistle, and no trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivs0OQsBwCc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivs0OQsBwCc)
QuoteThis side, no matter what people say about their style, is special. To be sitting mid April, with all the adversity that has happened this season, and still by shoting for an unprecadented quadruple is unreal. Some day, hopefully this side will get the credit that they have never received. Sure money can buy you good players, but it can't buy the spirit, hunger and determination onshow tonight.
Norf - you are right and when Mourinho sauys this is the season he is proudest of I can see why. A phenomenal achievement to be still fighting on all fronts even with a big squad when you consider the injuries that they've had. Its going to be an interesting end to the season.
QuoteSure money can buy you good players.....
Being able to out-price any other club in the transfer market is a significant advantage tho!
Quoteeven with a big squad when you consider the injuries that they've had. Its going to be an interesting end to the season.
Thanks MS....but I believe our squad is small!
We have a 22 man squad, including 3 keepers. Outside of that there are some young lads that we have loaned out, but nothing else!
Consider of the 19 outfield players we've had long termers to JT, Cole, Robben and Boularouhz. Our two creative outlets, and two centre backs!
Cech
A Cole
Maka
Essien
Carvalho
Sheva
Lampard
Boularouhz
J Cole
Drogba
Mikel
Ballack
Geremi
Robben
Bridge
Diarra
Fererria
Kalou
Carlo
SWP
Terry
Hilario
United's squad is of the same number from a quick glance at soccernet (including Chris Eagles who I don't think has played in CL, FA Cup or Prem). Liverpool and Arsenal probably have more players but United and Chelsea have big enough squads.
Anymore than 24 in a squad is too much in my view. What happens is that players go soft and pick up their money for doing feck all.
As regards last night a great 2nd half performance by Chelsea. They have an absolute clinker with Essien and he is the sort of player that would fit into any team. I am glad he will miss the first leg of the semi! If Liverpool do a professional job tonight and close the tie out early Rafa should obviously rest as many players as he can. The FA Cup break this weekend is at a good time for Liverpool and should help them prepare for the run in for the final few games of the season.
An early goal tonite would be great. Crouch I believe is top scorer for the CL ahead of Kaka and Drogba. You can get him at 8-1 to end up tournament top scorer. On current form he could get a few tonight and solidify that top scorer spot. Worth a wee flutter I think ;D
QuoteCrouch I believe is top scorer for the CL ahead of Kaka and Drogba.
7 Kaká Milan 6 Ruud Van Nistelrooy Real Madrid
6 Fernando Morientes Valencia
6 Didier Drogba Chelsea
5 Peter Crouch Liverpool 5 Raúl González Real Madrid
4 Claudio Pizarro Bayern 4 Nicolae Dica Steaua
Bold means still in competition.
I stand corrected! A few tonight probably would do the trick, and is still worth a few bob at 8-1.
What price Drogba and Kaka? 8-1 is not bad in what is really a 3-horse race...pardon the pun :-)
I dunno about the other two, but shurely you woulf only put money on Didier ;)
So it's the Chavs in the semis. Not too bothered really. Was going to be a hard game no matter who it was. Can see two more low-scoring tight affairs like 2005. Scorelines like 0-0 or 1-0. So far under the current managers they've had the better of league games while we've had the better of cup games.
Think they are missing Essien for the first game and Drogba, J Cole and Robben are one yellow away from a suspension.
All to play for.
Think he should pick strong enough team tonight maybe just leave out those on yellow cards.
Maybe im being over worried but i won't relax until we can score another few goals tonight to make it beyond doubt
Can't get the thought of that 6 mins of injury time outta my head the last time we met chelski in the semi's. Has to be the longest 6 mins of my life, especially as that gudjonsen shot whizzed past the post. If we do get through tonight, I am dreading the semi. I hate matches like that, heart racing, butterflies in my stomach etc etc. As for a final against the scum, oh my god!!!!
QuoteCan't get the thought of that 6 mins of injury time outta my head the last time we met chelski in the semi's. Has to be the longest 6 mins of my life, especially as that gudjonsen shot whizzed past the post. If we do get through tonight, I am dreading the semi. I hate matches like that, heart racing, butterflies in my stomach etc etc. As for a final against the scum, oh my god!!!!
Remember it painfully well. The Eidur shot made time stand still....and then agony. Hopefully that'll be the spur of revenge that we probably don't need anyhow.
QuoteIf we manage to get to the final, is anyone able to get tickets from a reliable source?
I had a man in the FAI but I cant locate him at the minute.
I have a few sources 5times, but not confident on any yet. I'll do you a deal if you get to the final, and I get a ticket you can have it...and vice versa?
Tonight's line-up: Carragher, Gerrard, Mascherano, Finnan rested. Kuyt suspended.
Reina, Arbeloa, Hyypia, Agger, Riise, Pennant, Sissoko, Alonso, Zenden, Crouch, Bellamy
Anyone know who's got yellow card issues?
would you not have thought this would have been an ideal game for Fowler?
Anyone else got a bad feeling about tonight?
I'm always scared of teams with nothing to lose.
Bellamy stretchered off
God on in his place
and as if by magic, he appears- g'wan God
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Andy Grays hatred for Liverpool comes out of every pore in his body, he really is a rotten ****.
Go on the big Crouch-meister
and God creates the goal...
"PSV are 1-0 down, 4-0 down overall, and Ronald Koeman takes off striker Arouna Kone and replaces him with a defender. Discuss."
BBC Five Live summariser Mark Lawrenson
Job Done
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 11, 2007, 09:06:13 PM
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Andy Grays hatred for Liverpool comes out of every pore in his body, he really is a rotten ****.
*cough* Bluenose *cough*
Quote from: deiseach on April 11, 2007, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 11, 2007, 09:06:13 PM
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Andy Grays hatred for Liverpool comes out of every pore in his body, he really is a rotten ****.
*cough* Bluenose *cough*
I know he was a blue nose but he is supposed to be impartial as a commentator.
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 11, 2007, 09:46:33 PM
I know he was a blue nose but he is supposed to be impartial as a commentator.
Britain's Bitterest (http://forum.liverpoolway.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=40)
;D
Seems it was a right jamboree at Anfield tonight. The calm before the storm . . .
Crouch is Judas in disguise
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 11, 2007, 09:06:13 PM
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Andy Grays hatred for Liverpool comes out of every pore in his body, he really is a rotten ****.
Couldn't disagree with you more do you not remember GEEERRRRRAAAARRRRDDDDDDD YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKT-agQE_N8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKT-agQE_N8)
Anyway tonights preformance was to be expected no one wanted to get injured or booked so it was never gonna be a classic.
Was delighted to see Fowler getting a game and would love to see him score
Chelsea now in semis...if im honest im not over confident and if i wasn't a Liverpool fanatic i be putting money on a Chelsea Milan final...But i am a Liverpool fanatic so my heart says Liverpool but me head says otherwise
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 11, 2007, 11:36:18 PM
Couldn't disagree with you more do you not remember GEEERRRRRAAAARRRRDDDDDDD YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
So he got a bit excited because an English club produced a barnstorming finish exclusively live on Sky Sports. Even that moment was an indicator of another beef I have with Gray, his constant cutting across of the great Martin Tyler.
Gray is Scottish............And i doubt he has as much hate for Liverpool as Syd the Sailor seems to think
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 11, 2007, 11:47:17 PM
Gray is Scottish............And i doubt he has as much hate for Liverpool as Syd the Sailor seems to think
I know he's Scottish, but it's in the interests of Sky to big up the Premiership and Gray is nothing if not a slave of the Dirty Digger.
Chesterfield v Middlesborough on sky sports 1 now,if there was ever a team robbed it was chesterfield in that match
Is there a commentator or pundit out there who isn't perceived to be an idiot or doesn't have an alleged grudge against Liverpool and/or Man Utd?
Quote from: deiseach on April 11, 2007, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 11, 2007, 11:47:17 PM
Gray is Scottish............And i doubt he has as much hate for Liverpool as Syd the Sailor seems to think
I know he's Scottish, but it's in the interests of Sky to big up the Premiership and Gray is nothing if not a slave of the Dirty Digger.
And ??? You still haven't given your view on if he hates Liverpool or not..I don't care if he bigs up the premiership etc but i have never known him to be a hater of Liverpool..anything but in my opinion
Laoislad seems right to me. Gray is the ultimate hype whore. He was nearly cumming in his pants at United's loss to Pompey last weekend as it livens up the title race - not cos he hates United. Unlike that **** Alan Green.
Gray has to hype everything up on Sky - even if it is a woeful game.
If he doesnt he will end up in the back of a van or pitchside freezing his gonads off like Andy, Robbie & Ally!
Champions League odds
Outright winner
Chelsea 2/1
Man Utd 2/1
Liverpool 3/1
AC Milan 4/1
Final pairings
Liverpool v AC Milan 7/2
Liverpool v Man United 11/5
Chelsea v AC Milan 3/1
Chelsea v Man United 7/4
Quote from: J70 on April 12, 2007, 12:01:03 AM
Is there a commentator or pundit out there who isn't perceived to be an idiot or doesn't have an alleged grudge against Liverpool and/or Man Utd?
Gray is the only one I have a grudge against. Listening to him getting his knickers in a twist a few years back over the possibility that Liverpool might score after the alloted two minutes of injury time during the derby was the tipping point for me.
On the other hand, we have Alan Hansen :D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 12, 2007, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on April 11, 2007, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 11, 2007, 11:47:17 PM
Gray is Scottish............And i doubt he has as much hate for Liverpool as Syd the Sailor seems to think
I know he's Scottish, but it's in the interests of Sky to big up the Premiership and Gray is nothing if not a slave of the Dirty Digger.
And ??? You still haven't given your view on if he hates Liverpool or not..I don't care if he bigs up the premiership etc but i have never known him to be a hater of Liverpool..anything but in my opinion
You must watch the matches with the sound turned down......
::)
IT may be an exaggeration to suggest Peter Crouch has cemented his future at Anfield with his recent blistering spell.
Rafa Benitez has never suggested he wanted to sell the popular striker, while Crouch couldn't be any more emphatic about his desire to stay on Merseyside.
However, it wasn't that long ago rumours of a possible summer exit were gathering pace, so the forthright statements on the issue from player and manager have been a welcome consequence of his impressive 17-goal haul.
It's little wonder Benitez is keen to keep the striker because he epitomises the kind of signing he values most.
In the summer of 2005, Crouch wasn't the 'big name' player the Sky Sports generation craved when Benitez was pondering his striking options.
But Benitez will always prefer young, hungry players with much to prove, rather than superstars.
"I will put my reputation as a manager on Crouch being a good player for us," Benitez said, in those distant days, now forgotten, when his new signing was trying to score his first goal.
Crouch has since succeeded in turning himself into an 'A-lister', seizing an opportunity few predicted would come his way three seasons ago.
And, having grabbed the chance, not surprisingly, he has no intention of letting it slip.
"It's obviously really pleasing to hear what the manager said about keeping me at the club," said Crouch.
"The manager is someone who likes to keep his cards close to his chest and sometimes you're not sure what he's thinking, so I was happy when I read those comments.
"I knew there were a lot of rumours earlier in the season about other clubs being interested, but I always made my feelings clear when I was asked about the future.
"There's no way I'd want to leave Liverpool. Where do you go from Liverpool other than to a club at a lower level?
"I love it here and being at a top four club you know you've a chance to play in the Champions League every year and continue to compete for trophies.
"I also think there's a great team developing here and with the help of the new owners we could put in a serious challenge for the Premiership over the next few years. I want to be part of that."
Numerous recent events have helped Crouch's cause.
The conclusion of the takeover means Benitez should not have to raise funds through significant sales in order to fund transfers he may see as a priority.
The school of thought that argued doubling money on Crouch made economic sense, even if it was a risk, seems utterly redundant now.
Second, and most importantly, the rate of improvement in a striker with unique talents means if Crouch is valued at £14m today, he should be worth considerably more in the years to come.
Lest we forget, he's currently competing with Kaka for the Champions League golden boot.
"It's been going really well for me recently. I'm on a good scoring run and to be in with a chance of finishing top scorer in the Champions League is great," he said.
"UEFA say I'm on six goals, but I'm definitely counting the qualifying game because that was an important one for us.
"To be up there with such a quality player as Kaka is fantastic. I do take a lot of satisfaction from that. But if you ask me what I'd prefer, I'd rather the team won the Champions League than finish top scorer.
"I feel over the last few years I have proved myself at the top level, whether it's been the step to a club like Liverpool, the Champions League or internationals.
"That's down to working with such a good manager who always wants you to keep on improving.
"There are parts of my game I'm still looking to work on. People have mentioned my heading quite a bit this season.
"To be fair, I've always scored goals with my head, but there were a few occasions earlier in the season when I should have scored headers. It's something I was aware of so to get a few recently was pleasing.
"In a funny way, I think the nose operation came at a good time in the season where a little break has done me the world of good.
"When I came back I felt really fresh and sharp and it's gone on from there. There were a few of us who took time to hit our best form earlier in the season, but now we seem to be clicking at the same time which bodes well for the big games to come."
If Crouch can eclipse Kaka, the chances are he'll have helped Liverpool overcome yet another battle with Chelsea.
The striker wasn't too impressed at being 'outed' as a former Chelsea fan on TV in midweek, and is only too pleased to set the record straight.
"I was stitched up a bit with that," he explained.
"When I was younger my dad did take me to see Chelsea, but when I was with my mates I was more a QPR fan, so it's not like I was ever a big Chelsea supporter.
"You've also got to remember the Chelsea back then was nothing like the Chelsea it is now. I remember going along there when they were in the old Second Division.
"Put it this way, there's no question where my allegiance is now. I'm firmly in the red camp. The same applies to my dad.
"He's been travelling to our European games with Jamie Carragher's dad and his friends, so you don't have to worry who he'll want to win.
"We know what the hype is going to be like over the next two weeks and it's already started. I'm looking forward to everything about it.
"Last time Liverpool played Chelsea at this stage I was on the outside looking in, hoping rumours that Liverpool were interested in me were true and wishing I could be part of such a big game.
"Now it's going to happen you just want it to come about.
"You're always focused on the game , but there's no escaping the attention of such a massive match."
What an awful game today
18 years today.
RIP the 96. YNWA.
Cisse had his chance, just not good enough. I was really excited when he came but Benitez does not fancy him at all
cisse = collymore II
www.myp2p.eu/weekdays.htm
follow the links to watch the match online
that link doesnt seem to be working.
This one works:
http://www.myp2p.eu/Weekdays.htm (http://www.myp2p.eu/Weekdays.htm)
good man j70
Liverpool V Middlesbrough
2-0
Job Done :)
Quote from: Ethan Edwards on April 18, 2007, 10:03:50 PM
Liverpool V Middlesbrough
2-0
Job Done :)
Hopefully no injuries and we should put out a shadow team against Wigan on Saturday to get ready for Chelsea. Not too confident, they look almost unbeatable at the minute.
Quote from: heganboy on April 18, 2007, 04:40:49 PM
cisse = collymore II
dont think cisse was nearly as talented as collymore, but i see the psycho element ok
Quote from: nifan on April 18, 2007, 10:13:02 PM
Quote from: heganboy on April 18, 2007, 04:40:49 PM
cisse = collymore II
dont think cisse was nearly as talented as collymore, but i see the psycho element ok
The one common factor was both were lazy, how many times did you see Cisse turning and screaming at a team mate if the ball didnt go straight to him, instead of trying to win it back.
neither what you would call team players...
Quote from: heganboy on April 18, 2007, 10:26:41 PM
neither what you would call team players...
And they have both given the Missus a slap.......
Poor enough game the nite. Great goal by Gerard but the rest very forgetable!!
But as said above job done. But showed up a few things. Liverpool never started playing til Sissoko went of. I don't know why we set out with only one striker for a home game. This would have been perfect to give Fowler a full game. Pennant was a constant threat but apart from that we didn't create many chances.
It kills me to say it but Garcia might be a miss after all!!
What odds on a fowler cl final bow?
Good result, didn't see the game but 3 points and a clean sheet are all that was needed. As has been said rest a few boys on Saturday and focus on the Chelsea game. With 3 points guaranteeing CL football next year, a win, however scrappy on Saturday, would allow them to relax against Chelsea. I checked the last ten games of the two teams and the stats are familar, Liverpool 6 W, 2 L, 2 D, 14 F 4 A Chelsea 7 W, 1 L, 2 D, 20 F, 8 A. More impirtantly Liverpool had 6 clean sheets and Chelsea only had 3. They are a bit more porous than they have been in previous years whereas Liverpool have become nearly watertight at the back.
Heganboy, how does thsi sound. Liverpool Manure in the Final, 10 minutes to go in Extra Time and God comes off the bench. Rio trips up the Flying Dutchman as he speeds for the goal and God hammers home the winner! What a night that would be ;D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 19, 2007, 09:22:18 AM
Good result, didn't see the game but 3 points and a clean sheet are all that was needed. As has been said rest a few boys on Saturday and focus on the Chelsea game. With 3 points guaranteeing CL football next year, a win, however scrappy on Saturday, would allow them to relax against Chelsea. I checked the last ten games of the two teams and the stats are familar, Liverpool 6 W, 2 L, 2 D, 14 F 4 A Chelsea 7 W, 1 L, 2 D, 20 F, 8 A. More impirtantly Liverpool had 6 clean sheets and Chelsea only had 3. They are a bit more porous than they have been in previous years whereas Liverpool have become nearly watertight at the back.
Heganboy, how does thsi sound. Liverpool Manure in the Final, 10 minutes to go in Extra Time and God comes off the bench. Rio trips up the Flying Dutchman as he speeds for the goal and God hammers home the winner! What a night that would be ;D
Sounds good but as long a we beat the bas*ar*s i dont mind if it comes off Rio's ear for an OG...........
I reckon team for chelski will look something like this,
Reina
Finnan, Carra, Agger, Arbeloa
Pennant, Masch, Alonso, Riise
Gerrard
Crouch/Kuyt
Nice to see Stevie G come back into a bit of form last night. Lets hope he and the lads can pull out a result on wednesday night
No arguments here for that team gawa. I reckon he'll play Kuyt away for definite as he works harder than Crouch. That really is the strongest team at the minute as Pennant is showing better form and The two boys in the centre are as good a partnership as has been in the club game for a very long time. They work very well together.
That will be the team for Cheslea with Crouch starting. I for one would bee pleased with it.
Bc,
I'd settle for that no problem. Of course an 8 minute hat trick wouldn't be too bad either...
That would only happen against an easy team like Arsenal though heganboy :P
Will anyone else find it hard to watch the match if it is us and the Mancs?
If it is us & the Scousers I would have to watch it in the house with the phone off the hook.
Although opposing teams Corn I know what you mean
Quote from: full back on April 19, 2007, 03:48:02 PM
If it is us & the Scousers I would have to watch it in the house with the phone off the hook.
Although opposing teams Corn I know what you mean
If its us and United i am gonna get a load of cash on United to win and hopefully the bet will fail, if we do get beat may as well make a few quid !
Quote from: corn02 on April 19, 2007, 03:43:42 PM
Will anyone else find it hard to watch the match if it is us and the Mancs?
It would be a game where the emotion (plus long term suffering) of losing would outweigh the emotion of winning.
Far rather lose to Chelsea in the semi than lose to United in final.
Quote from: corn02 on April 19, 2007, 03:43:42 PM
Will anyone else find it hard to watch the match if it is us and the Mancs?
I remember when Liverpool were making comeback against Milan my auld lad who was just over a triple heart bypass was sitting beside me and was holding his chest all way thru extratime and penos,he said it was worse than the bypass the emotions he went through that night,I think playing United in the final would finish him off altogether and me for that matter :-\
To be honest I don't even want to think about the possibility of that match until it actually occurs. Gettin that churning feeling in my stomach already. It'll be watched in the house by myself with no outside communication near hand and a bottle of vodka in the freezer. It'll be either drunk on route to the pub if we win or slumped on the sofa conptemplating suicide
According to soccer saturday Gerrard is palying today
I be happy with a draw and no injury's from todays match
no way!! :(
which? Gerrard or a draw
your mob are on PPMate
gerrard!! Surely they can leave him out today?
Could I get a link? Please :)
Sorry i actually meant to say ISN'T PLAYING not IS :D
Feck me had me going there!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 21, 2007, 02:46:00 PM
gerrard!! Surely they can leave him out today?
Could I get a link? Please :)
sent you a PM
Cheers SB ;)
1-0 Kuyt
Terrific cross from Gonzalez. Keeper messed up though.
was it a good goal? who scored? im watching the Laois match
Ok just see you had Kuyt as scorer :-[
Good header from Kuyt, but the keeper missed the cross entirely!
correction... pennant hit the cross
has it been all liverpool so far?
2 - 0 Kuyt again
brought on gerrard ???
Handy win no injury worries,Bring on Chelski :D
see pennant played well sat with another assist he is starting to justify the price tag at last,doubt rafa at your peril! :)
would go for
reina,finnan,cara,agger,riise,pennant,alonso,mascherano,bellamy,stevie g,kuyt. reason would play bellamy left midfield is that he did well there in nou camp and this is the area of the pitch that we can expose chelsea.they have played essien,diarra,boulhourouz,geremi and ferreira there this season and the only one who fills me with confidence is essien who will bw utilisied sumwhere else im sure.i think milan could be big threat in the comp,they remind me of us in 2005,played poorly,but then get a great result like us v juve05 and them v bayern away.especially now that utd are "playing with 12 players" and have a back four like f**k all! :D
Can see Rafa starting with 5 midfielders for the away leg with Gerrard playing off Kuyt - Alonso and Sissoko (would prefer Mascharano myself) Pennant one side and Riise the other. Full backs Finnan and Arbelo with Carra and Agger at CB.
It wouldn't be pretty and can't see either side making too many chances. Would happily take a 1-1 or any score draw.
Pennat has been playing well and it seems he has the confidence that he lacked at start of season. His delivery has also improved. Hopefully he will be able to keep Ashley cole busy on Wednesday and limit his attacking runs.
Is Essien the only player suspended for the russians?
Quote from: gawa316 on April 23, 2007, 10:27:06 AM
Is Essien the only player suspended for the russians?
Yes.
Drogba, Robben, Joe Cole all one yellow away from a suspension.
Get Drogba booked on Wednesday much like how Gudjonsen got Alonso booked in 2005. ;D
I think Essien is the only major player suspended. Rafa will play the 4-4-1-1 with Gerad behind either Crouch or Kuyt. Abelaro will be left back with Riise in front of him. I think that Chelsea will go all guns blazing early on to try to knock the back hard. This would suit Liverpool if they keep it tight as they are better on the counter than having to press a game.
Odds of 5-1 for Liverpool-Milan Final, or so I heard earlier. With Inter having won the Scudetto and Milan in CL spot, and Liverpool guaranteed at least 4th, both teams can concentrate all their energy into the CL. The fact that Chelski and Manure are doing so well in so many competitions will go against them. Ideally a away win, but a score draw would be a satisfactory result.
Good to see scumbags like this won't be tolerated...
SPECTATOR BANNED FROM ANFIELD
Jimmy Rice 23 April 2007
A spectator caught chanting racist abuse during this season's home match against Manchester United has been given a three-year football banning order.
Jonathan McInally, from Back Lane in Little Crosby, was arrested following an undercover police operation during the game on March 3.
The sting, in which a plain-clothes officer was positioned in the Anfield Road Stand, was mounted after a complaint from a fellow spectator.
McInally was hauled before North Liverpool Community Justice Courts last week, where he pleaded guilty to racist chanting.
As well as an order banning him from all football stadia, the 25-year-old was fined £200.
A spokesperson for Merseyside Police said: "We take this type of behaviour very seriously. We will not tolerate any type of racist chanting.
"Just because someone is at a football match, it does not mean that they can behave as they like. We will not stand for any racist behaviour."
banned for racist chanting but Munich songs, stoning ambulances, throwing cups full of shite at away fans and singing songs about a players broken leg as he lies on the field are all acceptable?
scumbags? Tolerated? never :-\
Quote from: SlimShady on April 24, 2007, 08:58:14 AM
banned for racist chanting but Munich songs, stoning ambulances, throwing cups full of shite at away fans and singing songs about a players broken leg as he lies on the field are all acceptable?
scumbags? Tolerated? never :-\
Maybe you should sort out your own back yard before slaggin' others. Kettle, pot and black spring to mind
Ignore Slims attempts to get an argument going. Pointless exercise, he's after the Tony Fearon Crown.
The BBC have reported that Michael Essien has been arrested on suspicion of Drink Driving in the early hours of Monday morning. I know he is suspended for the tie anyway but would this have any bearing on his long term future in the English game? One hell of a player.
Ahh Slim people in glass houses and all that. Surely we wouldn't have to bring up united's exceptional support in Europe this season would we!! ::)
when did United fans do any of the above?
Slim please make your way back to the Manure thread in a prompt fashion......
*bites nails*
*shits pants*
f**k off Sailor :D
Lads, why does every thread turn into the two of ye throwing insults at a) each other and b) each other's club. Do ye know each other? Would it not just be better to set up your own private thread?
BENITEZ: OUR IDEA IS TO WIN
Mark Platt 24 April 2007 liverpoolfc.tv
As Liverpool apply the finishing touches to their preparations for the Champions League semi-final first leg at Stamford Bridge, Rafa Benitez insists they aim to return with a win.
The Reds squad will fly down to London later today ahead of Wednesday's tie and Benitez admits confidence in the camp is high.
"Our idea is to win if possible," says the boss. "Sometimes you have to play counter-attack and sometimes press high, it depends on the situation. But it would be good to score a goal and come away with the win.
"This is a very good positive situation for us and you have to approach games like this with confidence.
"We know them, they know us, that is clear and at the end of the day it could be just the small details that make the difference.
"Chelsea have been champions in this country for the last two years and they are a very strong side, especially at home. Maybe they are a better side than two years ago but we also have more experience now and I think we can do it."
AZ its the first time i've spoken to the sailor and no, i do not know him thankfully. i asked a question on this thread and was told to f**k off, none of the bin dippers saw fit to answer the question either.
Bit of gossip for ye from a Liverpool FC forum i post on from time to time but it's probably bolix ;)
Celtic's SFA Player of the year Nakamura and Sabrosa of Benfica could be wearing the Red of Liverpool next year
Quote from: SlimShady on April 24, 2007, 11:03:37 AM
AZ its the first time i've spoken to the sailor and no, i do not know him thankfully.
Slim i didnt know you felt so strongly......
Naw slim united fans didn't do that alright. They just got stuck in to the opposing fans, tore seats up from the stadiums, and fought with the police. Classy real Classy!!
compare the two then.
a good oul riot never harmed anyone....oh wait, i forgot about Hysel!
Slim, that's a bullshit post. Edit it for God's sake.
Why score points off an incident like Heysel? Do you think Liverpool fans are not ashamed of Heysel or something?
This infantile abuse on the LFC and MUFC threads is crap.
I agree with my BIFFO friend
One thread, "funny" footie songs, was already terminated on the back of this crap, but some people don't want to play nice.
What I find completely laughable about it all is this "we" sh!t. Any of you would be likely to get a good box in the mouth on the strength of your accent alone in most of these North England cesspits. Grow the fcuk up.
What I find completely laughable about it all is this "we" sh!t. Any of you would be likely to get a good box in the mouth on the strength of your accent alone in most of these North England cesspits. Grow the fcuk up.
And I laugh at people who complain about people who support a club refering to them as "we". Why the hell wouldn't I say we?
And as for the second part I've been over to liverpool many a time and never once received a " Good box in the month" due to my accent. Nor any of my mates.
a good oul riot never harmed anyone....oh wait, i forgot about Hysel!
And as for Slim, you were ( Rightly) complaining about Liverpool fans signing about Munich or about Smith and you come out with this crap. That's the bit I was on about glass houses, and you prove the point for me!!
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 24, 2007, 12:35:50 PM
What I find completely laughable about it all is this "we" sh!t. Any of you would be likely to get a good box in the mouth on the strength of your accent alone in most of these North England cesspits. Grow the fcuk up.
And I laugh at people who complain about people who support a club refering to them as "we". Why the hell wouldn't I say we?
And as for the second part I've been over to liverpool many a time and never once received a " Good box in the month" due to my accent. Nor any of my mates.
a good oul riot never harmed anyone....oh wait, i forgot about Hysel!
And as for Slim, you were ( Rightly) complaining about Liverpool fans signing about Munich or about Smith and you come out with this crap. That's the bit I was on about glass houses, and you prove the point for me!!
Count yourself lucky then, I can relate many stories of my own and others expericnes of both Liverpool and Manchester, I've been attending spoorting events in both cities for over 15 years, but this recent beauty will suffice:
Group of Irish women on a hen night. Note I use women, not girls, these were mostly married and in their late 30s. At the end of a very eventful night, and not in a good way, they are queueing for a taxi back to their hotel. Just as they are about to get their cab 3 lads jump the queue ahead of them. One of the women, foolishly, sits into the front seat of the cab, and points out it's theirs. "Fcuk off out of it you Fenian whore" was used among other phrases. One of our heroes then proceeds to grab the woman by the back of the hair and belt, throws her from the cab, and then stands on her whilst asking do any of the other "Irish bitches" want to argue with him about it. Oh, did I neglect to mention the woman was also pregnant? I'll leave out the club of the jersey the guy was wearing, as it's irrelevant to the story. My point is the hardcore of the people who live in these cities don't give a fiddler's fcuk about you, you are not part of their "we", and you can see that on any of their discussions boards when Irish subjects are brought up. Then to come on here bandying insults and scoring points about events most of you know next to nothing about, and where real people died? Pathetic. I'm betting some of you aren't even old enough to actually have witnessed Heysel, maybe not even Hillborough? Well after those I could never try and take the hand about Munich etc.
I must admit i do use "we" but only in relation to Liverpool FC i have no love or affinity to Liverpool City or its people I've been a Liverpool fan since i was 5 so thats almost 25years and the term "we" is just something i use i don't even think bout it when i say it but it's the club i follow not the city
Lads - f**k off with this shite will ye's
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 24, 2007, 01:08:47 PM
Lads - f**k off with this shite will ye's
Quick lads knock it off before the boul Hurl locks this thread......
Feel free to point out were I insulted anyone mental man.
Slim came on here to make a dig at liverpool supporters because the actually took ACTION against someone regarding loutish behaviour. And it's well know that Slim likes to take a pop at anything he can regarding Liverpool. Which is fair enough if he wants, I was pointing out that United fans were hardly angels either. And you'll see earlier that I condemned any signing about Munich or anything like that.
And I'm sorry about that story, it's not nice. But Shit like that doesn't just happen in Liverpool or "North England cesspits". I've ran in to trouble in both Dublin and Belfast in my time. So are they "Irish holes" then?
And if the hard core fans in these cities don't like me, tough. I'm not supporting the city, or the people in it. I'm supporting the team. And to be honest I don't know why I should have to justify saying "we" about anyone.
Like Laoislad, I have been a fan of Liverpool for years, my first solid memory being the 1984 European Cup Final and Brucie(he was always my hero, even after the dodgy hands) I would sometimes refer to Liverpool FC as us/we and think little of it. Mentalman, that could have happened to a crowd of English girls on the streets of Dublin or Cork with some drunken lout in a shamrock rovers jersey :P or a cork jersey or any jersey and it would not have been acceptable. I have been in the company of fans in numerous places without any fear, and in fact the only place I was scared was in Belfast in the week before the Ireland England game in 1993 but that is another story!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 24, 2007, 12:17:02 PM
I agree with my BIFFO friend
Indeed. Rather ironic that gobshites who make generalizations and complaints about Liverpool fans see nothing wrong with casually using the label "bindipper"!
Some fans of both clubs on this board seem incapable of having an adult discussion of the teams.
Lets get back to the footy
Any team news for tomorrow night? Im persuming it will be Kuyt/Crouch up front?
And another thing you can be sure of is that many of the United fans who were defending and rationalizing the events in Rome and Manchester last month (very possibly with complete justification) would be expressing outrage, talking about typical Liverpool supporter behaviour, and refusing to accept any defense such as police provocation and over-reaction if it had been Liverpool fans and not United fans in that situation.
or maybe Aldridge/Rush?? (Just checking to see if anyone's bothered with football matters anymore)
Supersarsfields, the whole comment wasn't aimed at you, apologies if it seemed that way, obviously you did condemn the Munich comments. It was more a carry over from the previous threads about "funny" songs and some of the carry on with regard to both Utd. and the 'Pool on here over recent weeks.
I'm sure many similar stories can be picked out about incidents in other cities. The point of this story, and plenty of others, was people being singled out because of their Irishness. I'm a supporter too, and enjoy a bit of p!sstaking with my friends who support rival clubs, but there's a limit to it, and for me that's where people start living and dying, it's only a game at the end of the day. Also personally I stopped talking about "we" years ago, when it was made obvious "we" weren't really wanted - "we" are just "woollybacks" after all.
QuoteQuick lads knock it off before the boul Hurl locks this thread......
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) - it'll not be locked - as long as you keep your racist comments out of it
All the reports that I have been reading is that it will be 4-4-1-1 with Gerard behind either Crouch or Kuyt. I initially thought it would be Kuyt, but havea notion he will play Crouch because of his goals in europe this season.
I have to say I am very nervous, which is not helped by the fact that I will not be able to see it as I have to head away. I fear Chelsea at the minute and can only hope than the fatigue factor over the two legs is going to be beneficial.
I don't think Liverpool will let more than 2 in tomorrow night, but they need to score to make sure they go through in the second leg.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 24, 2007, 01:36:32 PM
QuoteQuick lads knock it off before the boul Hurl locks this thread......
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) - it'll not be locked - as long as you keep your racist comments out of it
How did you feel about Slims reference to Heysel, ok to mention 35 people dying but as long as we are PC you are happy.....
ahoy there Sailor,
Slim didnt say anything that was untrue. Heysel happened.
I couldn't see Chelsea scoring two against Liverpool not with the defense we have this season
Being totally honest i think Chelsea will win the tie,but if tiredness is a problem for them we may just do it
QuoteHow did you feel about Slims reference to Heysel, ok to mention 35 people dying but as long as we are PC you are happy.....
The nerve of you to post this after some of the shite you've posted previously.
QuoteHow did you feel about Slims reference to Heysel, ok to mention 35 people dying but as long as we are PC you are happy....
You are as bad as each other
Mr Whiter than White Hurl, please point out anything I've said that is untrue and I shall duly Edit it.
if not, please refrain from comparing me to Uncle Albert over there.
Quote from: SlimShady on April 24, 2007, 02:00:08 PM
Mr Whiter than White Hurl, please point out anything I've said that is untrue and I shall duly Edit it.
if not, please refrain from comparing me to Uncle Albert over there.
You should not speak ill of the dead.......and im referring to Uncle Albert before Hurl has a fit ;)
Personally - I think we should line out like this
Reina
Finnan Carragher Agger Arbeloa
Alonso Mascherano
Pennant Gerrard Riise
Crouch
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 24, 2007, 02:15:41 PM
Personally - I think we should line out like this
Reina
Finnan Carragher Agger Arbeloa
Alonso Mascherano
Pennant Gerrard Riise
Crouch
Wouldn't have Pennant i'd have Kuyt/Crouch with the other 4 you mentioned across the middle
I think Rafa will only play one up front in the away leg. But who are we to judge gim
In Rafa we trust
Naw LL you got to play Pennant. I wasn't a big fan to be honest, but he's hit some great form at the minute. Up front, I reckon Crouch to start with but i'd have Kuyt on around the hr mark. Just to try and see how tired the Russians really are!!
Any word of their line-up?
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=462954&CPID=8&clid=14&lid=2&title=Rafa+coy+on+Torres+talk&channel=football_home&
I can't copy the article across for some reason, but Liverpool now strongly linked to Torres. Aparently he has "You'll never walk alone" tatooed on his arm. I certainly would prefer him to Villa and he could be the one to be a 20 + goals a season for us.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 24, 2007, 03:22:11 PM
Aparently he has "You'll never walk alone" tatooed on his arm.
Seen this in the paper. It isnt tatooed on his arm, but it is on the inside of his captain's armband. The armband came loose & you can clearly see "You'll never walk alone" on the inside of it.
Would p1ss you off slightly of you were an Athletico Madrid fan.
Lucky he doesnt play for the Hammers or he would be a dead man walking
I just read it wrong full back. I reckon he could be a great signing if it comes off as I reckon Bellamy is on his way to Villa, with God off to the states, Torres, Crouch, Kuyt and A.N Other would be a nice mix of strikers, with that wee fcuker Garcia to come back as well.
Would be a super signing if Benitez persuades him to go.
Just what the scousers are missing at the moment-a top class striker who consistently hits 20+ goals a season
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/02007181679001tm0.jpg)
Maybe he's a Celtic fan?
QuoteMaybe he's a Celtic fan?
Or the Rogers and Hammerstein Musical Carousel? Or Gerry and the Pacemakers?
Jose is getting in good preparation for tomorrow night
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Jose says Chelski have played 27 games in 2007 and you lot 4, cheeky monkey
Jose Mourinho has cranked up the heat on the eve of Chelsea's UEFA Champions League semi-final with Liverpool by claiming he would not be surprised if The Reds attempted to get Didier Drogba booked.
Ivory Coast star Drogba is one of a number of Chelsea players one booking away from a suspension and Mourinho feels Liverpool could attempt to force him into a rush of blood which would lead to a caution.
The Portuguese tactician has also accused Liverpool striker Dirk Kuyt of picking up a deliberate booking in the first leg of their quarter-final win over PSV Eindhoven in order to serve a suspension in the second leg.
"We don't have four important players and there is another factor that can play an important part and that is that they don't have yellow cards," Mourinho said on Sky Sports News.
"They had the chance even to clean cards. You see for example when Kuyt gets a yellow card in the last minute against PSV it is because he does not want to play the second game in order to be clean for the rest of the competition.
"Chelsea had a group with Werder Bremen, a group with Barcelona, two games with Porto and two games with Valencia and we have Essien suspended and a lot of players with two yellow cards.
"And it would not surprise me tomorrow if they chase Drogba for 90 minutes and try to get him suspended for the second game."
Quote from: SlimShady on April 24, 2007, 08:58:14 AM
banned for racist chanting but Munich songs, stoning ambulances, throwing cups full of shite at away fans and singing songs about a players broken leg as he lies on the field are all acceptable?
scumbags? Tolerated? never :-\
Where was this tolerated? The club apologised for the ambulance thing. Smith himself thanked the club and supporters for their behaviour on the day, correctly recognizing that a small minority of scumbags does not typify the behaviour of all Liverpool or any other fans.
What would you have the club do about the person who threw the shit? Was he identified?
And the Munich songs are returned with gusto by United fans' with their songs about Hillsborough etc.
Yourself and Syd post this crap to get a rise. I doubt if either of the two of you are stupid enough to believe the shit you write.
Big night tonight at the Bridge, looking forward to it immensely. Don't think there will be many goals, and would settle for 1-0 at the minute. Ballack's loss is magnified due to Essien's suspension, but I hope, nay pray that Lord Percy makes it. To be honest if Carvalho misses out, I'd be concerned.
Going into the tie Liverpool should start favourites, due to their experience at this level, and the lack of fatigue. Truth be told they have been gearing towards this game for 2 weeks.
Chelsea Probable
Cech
Diarra
JT
Percy
A Cole
Maka
Obi Mikel
Lampard
Drogba
Shevchenko
J Cole
I dunno about liverpool goin in favourites. The bookies have a liverpool win priced at 3-1. Still confident.
It would be great if mourinho's prediction of a drogba yellow card worked out ;)
Liverpool are not favourites regardless of what Chelsea say. They may be tired but when you spend £500million or whatever on a squad you should have no excuses. Liverpool are 11/4 with Eastwoods tonight i think. Essien is a huge loss for Chelsea, their best player in my opinion. Score draw would do tonight.
According to Graham Hunter Carvalho plays as does Makalele. Chelski team as follows:
Cech
Diarra Carvalho Terry Cashley
Makalele
Obi Mikel Fat Lamps
Joe Cole
Drogba Shevchenko
Good or bad news? - hard to see either player figuring before the end of the season.
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Liverpool fans will be delighted with the news that both Harry Kewell and Luis Garcia are making great strides in their recovery from injuries.
The Reds duo have been out of action for some time now, but could just make it back in time for the final few games in the Premiership and Champions League run-in.
Winger Kewell has not featured at all this season for the most successful team from Merseyside after he played through the pain barrier for Australia at last summer's World Cup.
The former Leeds United player is back in full training now at Melwood, and could make a surprise return to the Liverpool squad for their remaining fixtures.
Spanish playmaker Luis Garcia is another player fighting back to fitness after falling down injured in a cup tie against Arsenal in January.
He isn't as close as Kewell is to a comeback, but could be fit in time for the Champions League Final - if Liverpool make it there.
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Think we need to score tonight - hard to see Chelsea not scoring over the 2 legs like 2 years ago.
Head ruling heart 1-2 with Gerrard getting the goal....
Mourinho has won a mediocre Premiership after spending about £350 million on players. Hardly broke much delft himself.
The one he really wants (and I'm sure his employer Mr. Abramovich wants too) is the Champions League. Mark one in the Rafa Benitez column for that one!
Jose
Finnan Jamie Agger Arebola
Stevie G Alonso Mascarano Riise
Crouch Kuyt
WHAT YOU THINK
SCORE 1 - 1
Liverpool team:
Reina
Arbeloa
Carra
Agger
Riise
Gerrard
Alonso
Mascherano
Zenden
Kuyt
Bellamy
Subs:
Dudek
Hyypia
Gonzalez
Crouch
Pennant
Sissoko
Paletta
Zenden?
Is that the offical team Gab Hurl?
Surprised with Zenden if it is
Finnan - sore neck
1-1 draw i predict
20mins gone 0-0 I think we are riding our luck a little Chelsea should have at least scored one
I think we are missing Steve Finnan,A couple of times now a cross has come in from Riise and it files straight over head of Chelsea defense to other side of pitch with no one there from Liverpool to collect,Finnan would always be there to send it back in again
1 0 joe cole
1-0 Cole, can't say it hasn't been coming, defence can't handle Drogba at all
Get Zenden off to f**k
True, he's bad, but Bellamy was far worse and deserved to be hauled off.
Only five seven fouls in the first half according to Andy Gray, know he's a p***k but that's pretty tame stuff!
Frustrating >:(..Never looked liked scoring,As for Zenden ??? ::) is all i can say
Very disapointing overall and I think we have left ourselves with too much to do
Arbeloa was terrible as well
Disappointed with the performance - but we got away lightly tonight with the result tonight.
We were terribly narrow in the middle - and had no creativity
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 25, 2007, 09:53:39 PM
Disappointed with the performance - but we got away lightly tonight with the result tonight.
We were terribly narrow in the middle - and had no creativity
Thats the best way to desribe tonight no creativity,How many times did Zenden have a chance to send in a good cross? Surely after 60mins he should have brought Gonzalez or Pennant on?
So another comeback needed at Anfield it's been done before but I can't see Liverpool winning 2-0 or 3-1 and so on,Also can't see it going all the way to penos
We are crying out for a 25 goal a season striker,Kuyt just isn't a top class finisher and Bellamy is not the player we had hoped he was
Its not over yet lads! It'll certainly be very tough, and the advantage is obviously very much with Chelsea, but lets see what happens. One crappy deflected Liverpool goal a la Frank Lampard, and its game on!
Of course, if Chelsea score first, its over. If that happens, they could get two or three on the break as Liverpool will have no option but to throw caution to the wind.
Dont think we deserved anything out of the game tonight, infact we were lucky only to lose by 1 goal. All is not lost,
I admire yer optimism lads and i wish i could share it with ye,but im very doubtful but i hope im wrong
I'm not exactly optimistic. I think Chelsea are overwhelming favourites at this point and are well capable of keeping a clean sheet. However, Liverpool have pulled big performances out before when given little chance. They're only a goal behind and the second leg will be a massive night at Anfield. All it takes is one goal. It could be a hell of a lot worse.
Another Historical European night in Anfield awaits!! and I cant feckin wait we are still in this cup tie I beleive we can do it! Good luck to the lads next week!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyKNTP1QbX4
;D ;D
that match was f**king woeful and its sad to see such shite played in the semi-final of the European Cup. No exciting players on either side apart from a minor glimpse of Drogba but that was overshadowed by the silly big nonce diving all over the show and he should have been booked.
If Chelsea score at the Stadium of Bindippers then they go through, there is no way i can see Liverpool score 3 times. Especially after last nights efforts.
Quote from: SlimShady on April 26, 2007, 08:36:01 AM
that match was f**king woeful and its sad to see such shite played in the semi-final of the European Cup. No exciting players on either side apart from a minor glimpse of Drogba but that was overshadowed by the silly big nonce diving all over the show and he should have been booked.
If Chelsea score at the Stadium of Bindippers then they go through, there is no way i can see Liverpool score 3 times. Especially after last nights efforts.
::)
Also, i hear the scumbags were singing about Alan Ball at last nights game.
They really are different gravy.
it was on talksport this morning, a steward at the ground!!
also, great behaviour from the fans by throwing bottles and coins at an injured player.
also reported was bottles of what looked like piss being thrown.
my comments are exactly that-MINE, and you 5ive Times, will read them ;)
Was the great tactician, Beniitez up to his work last night?
Has he lulled Chelsea into a false sense of security by letting them think that Liverpool are that shite with Zenden and Arbeloa staying on the full game?
Is it all part of the master plan?
Terrible performance last night, terrible team picked and terrible changes made. Not one of Rafa's better nights at the office.
Agger learned more last night that he did in his career to date, Riise had his worst game of the season.
Midfield/up front didn't look like they would score if they were there until next week - Cech's save from Gerrard was more routine than world class.
The only positive from last night is that it was only 1-0, thought Chelsea deserved a lot more especially with the header in the last minute (thought it was in).
Can't see Liverpool scoring three so if Chelsea score that's it. Chelsea overwhelming favourites to go through.
Liverpool need to splash the dollars to get a decent centre forward in the summer.
Lads at work saying Dunphy had a go at Rafa after the match - does anyone watch the three grumpy old men anymore?
Not doing much mouthing this morning Syd The Wailer :D
Fcukin mouthpiece
How do Liverpool fans feel about Zenden?
Jaysus, he was woeful last night - the ball came down his wing a number of times in the 2nd half but he seemed incapable of getting a decent 1st touch or putting a decent cross in-how he stayed on the full game is baffling.
Gerrard looked inept last night, which is not like him in a big game.
As for that diving b4stard Drogba, he was good last night, but FFS the way he drops & whines everytime someone touches him is a disgrace. Book the b4stard & he will soon wise himself up.
Great night fo the Blues last night, and a good result. Would've took 1-0 with bellls on before the game, and fairly confident of Athens now!!
The definitive game of 2 halves. Chelsea excellent in first half, with the big man Drogba scaring the s**t out of the Pool back 4 especially Agger. However hopefully we don't regret not getting the 2nd or 3rd goal that could've came.
Liverpool more it it in the second half, but only tested Cech with Gerard's excellent half volley.
The ref I thought was decent last night, only the lack of a card for the persistant fouling of Alonso, and the free kick that shoul've been given for the hand ball the only grips.
KTBFFH...........
PS...Is Syd about? :D
I am in position, thanks for asking ;)
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on April 26, 2007, 09:59:26 AM
Lads at work saying Dunphy had a go at Rafa after the match - does anyone watch the three grumpy old men anymore?
For once I could understand where Dunphy was coming from. Liverpool were poor last night. How Zendan is even a proffesional footballer nevermind playing for Liverpool is beyond me!!!
When I seen Alonso coming off I thought Rafa had lost the plot myself!
They persisted with these long balls up to the front...when Crouch wasn't even on the field!!! Hello Terry & Carvalho...2 of the best headers in the premiership!! - Lucky to escape with 1-0.
Chelsea were up for that!
They did well to keep it at 1-0, at least we know Zenden will not be playing next week, he is missing one ingredient you need for a wide left player, pace. I would not be overly confident next week but maybe Chelsea will s*it the togs again next week like 2 yrs ago and big brave JT will be crying like a p*sy again.
by the way, is Andy Gray riding Stevie Gerrard or whats the craic? its cringeworthy stuff every time he opens his gob about him.
With the performance the 'Pool put in last night 1-0 away from home is a decent result. You'd like to think they'll not play as poorly again and Rafa must realise that persisting with Zenden was a big mistake.
Oh and Drogba is a horrible cheating piece of shit.
QuoteI would not be overly confident next week but maybe Chelsea will s*it the togs again next week like 2 yrs ago and big brave JT will be crying like a p*sy again.
QuoteOh and Drogba is a horrible cheating piece of shit.
;D Would yous not be better off looking in house, at your fans behaviour last night chaps?
Norf Tyrone, are you saying Drogba isnt a lying, cheating b4stard? :D
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
QuoteI would not be overly confident next week but maybe Chelsea will s*it the togs again next week like 2 yrs ago and big brave JT will be crying like a p*sy again.
QuoteOh and Drogba is a horrible cheating piece of shit.
;D Would yous not be better off looking in house, at your fans behaviour last night chaps?
Listen have we any control over the fans? I think we have a right to voice an opinion on the team, and they can steal all the hubcaps and eat all the rats they want for all i care, as long as the team do the business i wont worry about the crime rate in Liverpool
Drogba isnt a lying,
Dunno I never heard him lie about anything! However I'd say like 99% of the population he probably has lied at some point in his life.
cheating
Fair enough. He has in the past, and still does dive too much for my liking. Remember last season how the Chelsea fans booed his every touch because of this! Never head Man U or Liverpool fans boo Ronaldo, or Gerard when they dive.
b4stard?
Don't know this either to be honest, but if his parents weren't/aren't married it's not that important to me.
Catch a grip Norf Tyrone, some of antics last night were a disgrace. If there is ever any pushing or shoving in a game he is first in mouthing & throwing his size about, yet if anyone touches him, he drops like he was taken out by a sniper. That in any man's book is lying & cheating
QuoteListen have we any control over the fans? I think we have a right to voice an opinion on the team, and they can steal all the hubcaps and eat all the rats they want for all i care, as long as the team do the business i wont worry about the crime rate in Liverpool
you should bare that in mind when you start slabbering about 'fans' of other clubs.
Chelsea started that game very aggressively, and will regret they didnt score more than one, its all up for grabs at anfield, thankfully from a football point of view the home need two to win, so will make for an more open game at least at the start. If liverpool get two in the first hour, you can expect them to be borrowing that bus from Martin Jol..
Watching liverpool play soccer is akin to wiping your hole repeatedly with sandpaper after a weekend on bad stout.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on April 26, 2007, 11:40:32 AM
Quote from: Uladh on April 26, 2007, 11:39:31 AM
Watching liverpool play soccer is akin to wiping your hole repeatedly with sandpaper after a weekend on bad stout.
Thats rich coming from an Armagh man.
At least he wipes his arse more than 2/3 times a year 5times :D
QuoteCatch a grip Norf Tyrone, some of antics last night were a disgrace. If there is ever any pushing or shoving in a game he is first in mouthing & throwing his size about, yet if anyone touches him, he drops like he was taken out by a sniper. That in any man's book is lying & cheating
Am I arguing with you?
He's a self-confessed cheat - that's what I hate so much about him.
If he cut that shit out - I'd respect him a bit more - because you can see - he's a quality player
Liverpool fans calling Drogba a cheat yet they have an even bigger cheat on their team, aka Stevie G ::)
Was I saying Stevie G is a saint? His diving antics are cringe-worthy at times. I have no time for cheats at all
Dinny - thats a bit rich coming from a fella who supports the team containing the greatest diver of them - Mr R Pires.......
Didn't say you did but I just hope you see the irony...
I have little or no interest in premiership/CL soccer outside Arsenal anymore, it's a sport that has lost it's way and it annoys me to see people calling this player a cheat or that player a cheat yet rarely attack the players on the team they support. For the record Eboube, Ronaldo, Drogba and Gerrard and the biggest cheats around imho, throw in the likes of Rooney, Ashley Cole, Bellamy etc etc and it really is a sport that epitomises greed. Gordon Gekko would be proud, the sooner salary caps are introduced the better....
Arsenal players are never known to cheat either
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Mr R Pires plays in Spain at the minute and scored against Barca at the weekend.
Are you a Villareal fan Dinny?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 26, 2007, 01:41:26 PM
throw in the likes of Rooney, Ashley Cole, Bellamy
That's right Dinny, throw in a player from each of your biggest rivals ::) ::)
Since when did I support Villareal? But when Pires was an Arsenal player he was a diving cheat and his dive against Portsmouth was gamesmanship at its worse. If you ever read the Arsenal thread myself and O'Neill in particular constantly attack Eboube for his cheating, he is a disgrace. I just wish people would recognise cheats for what they are and not defend them because of who they play for. These guys are highly paid professional athletes they need to start acting like the role models which sadly they are suppose to be.....
I won't defend Arsenal players Pires and Eboube are constant cheats as are Drogba, Ronaldo and Gerrard. That Viera incident is shocking and yes he cheated but he wasn't a constant cheat, even the boy Roy Keane wasn't adverse to the odd dive.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 26, 2007, 01:49:26 PM
even the boy Roy Keane wasn't adverse to the odd dive.
EH????
Has everyone here got only one eye or something ::)
Roy Keane Diving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLmbUQPYzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcLmbUQPYzs)
Trevor Francis is right, no way was that a free kick... stone wall penalty
Lads everyone who has played ball has at one stage or another gone down easily as they say. The issue with Drogba is that he's a serial offender and goes down as if he's been shot.
Elleray would have sent Keane off for farting...was the second yellow not for getting involved in handbags with Hendry and Co...
Lads, bit of a free for all today - discussing fans, diving, you supports who, who plays for who, etc.
Name of thread - "Liverpool Supporters Thread". Alot are use just posting to have a cheap shot but I'd hold off till the tie is over, not at halftime.
The game it self was disappointing, toothless up front and a bit careless at the back. If Steve Finnan was playing I don't think Cole would have got that goal. Agger should have also dealt with it better. Chelsea did create the better chances and could have won by 2-0 without dominating possession.
Second leg will be tight again and may go to extra time. Chelsea will be happy to play on the break which will be dangerous for both teams, as Liverpool are bound to get a few clear chances while Chelsea can play on the break and to their strength.
Couple of grips about last night - Crouch gets penalised for his height. He gets up early for a ball, wins the header, Cech jumps with him but is caught under him and wins a cheap free out. Not saying it was a goal chance but eased the pressure.
Also Maureen has no shame - claiming it was a penalty as "fact" yet it was clearly outside the box and weather it was a free was debatable. He was clearly relying on second half info, as the replays show he didn't react during the actual incident.
Heard commentatotr comment that Crouch hasn't scored when subbed on. You would imagine that he would be an impact sub with his height but obviuosly needs to start. And needs wingers to supply him i.e Pennant.
Crouch put his arm across that of Cech. That was obvious to anyone and is blatantly clear in the replay.
Quote from: bingobus on April 26, 2007, 02:35:36 PM
Also Maureen has no shame - claiming it was a penalty as "fact" yet it was clearly outside the box and weather it was a free was debatable. He was clearly relying on second half info, as the replays show he didn't react during the actual incident.
Just to add to that, the twat slated us for playing long ball to crouch when he came on. Well what the f**k was that **** cole doing everytime he got the ball...thats right pumping it up to that other **** up front. Does he not realise the irony of what he says. Goes back to slating Barca for diving...this is the ultimate irony when he has the likes of robben, drogba etc not to mention his porto team
To me Crouch got up early and had his Arms up (which is natural when jumping), Cech jumped under him and was restricted by crouch but not as a result of a foul. I thought the replays showed that Crouch eyes were fixed on the ball.
But i would expect you keepers to stick together.
Quote from: gawa316 on April 26, 2007, 02:55:47 PM
Well what the f**k was that **** cole doing everytime he got the ball...thats right pumping it up to that other **** up front.
Wouldnt mind being from Chelsea - quite a lot of cnuts there :D
What do you really think of them gawa?
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 26, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
Elleray would have sent Keane off for farting...was the second yellow not for getting involved in handbags with Hendry and Co...
this could all be very true but nevertheless he dove.
ronaldo, drogba etc are in a complete league of their own in this diving crap. what ever happened to a player being tripped or kicked but still trying his best to stay on his feet.
Quote from: full back on April 26, 2007, 03:01:54 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 26, 2007, 02:55:47 PM
Well what the f**k was that **** cole doing everytime he got the ball...thats right pumping it up to that other **** up front.
Wouldnt mind being from Chelsea - quite a lot of cnuts there :D
What do you really think of them gawa?
They are all c***ts..well maybe a few twats in there aswell. However they are effective at what they do. Strong defense...hit long balls to drogba...knock downs to midfield...deflected goals.
Was it just me or did Stevie G jump in with both feet on Carvalho in the second half last night??
Wasn't mentioned and he didn't catch him but I thought he tried to do him???
QuoteAlso Maureen has no shame - claiming it was a penalty as "fact" yet it was clearly outside the box and weather it was a free was debatable. He was clearly relying on second half info, as the replays show he didn't react during the actual incident.
Mourinho had the grace to apologise after the game in the press conferance. He stated it should've been a free-kick, and the ref made a mistake. However stated that he also made mistakes, and that the ref had a fairly good game.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2007, 03:47:07 PM
QuoteAlso Maureen has no shame - claiming it was a penalty as "fact" yet it was clearly outside the box and weather it was a free was debatable. He was clearly relying on second half info, as the replays show he didn't react during the actual incident.
Mourinho had the grace to apologise after the game in the press conferance. He stated it should've been a free-kick, and the ref made a mistake. However stated that he also made mistakes, and that the ref had a fairly good game.
Mourinho initially complained that referee Markus Merk had missed a "clear" penalty offence when Liverpool's Alvaro Arbeloa handled.
However, after watching replays which showed the incident was outside the area, the Chelsea boss tempered his comments.
"I don't know whether it was inside or outside the area," he said.
"For me the referee was top, but he made a mistake with the handball. It was a big mistake, but if it's a free kick it reduces the possibility of us scoring.
"He made a mistake, but normally the mistakes are against Chelsea."
Grovelling apology alright ::)
Quote'It was handball for sure. If it's inside the box and a penalty or outside the box and a free kick is something I cannot say.
But the referee had a very good game. He controlled a game like this with one yellow card - it could be two: one for Javier [Mascherano] and one for Alonso. No more than that. The players were super-correct.
For me the referee was top but, like everybody can, he made a mistake with Arbeloa's handball. But we all make mistakes, me, the players, the ref, even Syd The Sailor! If it's a penalty or free kick, I don't know but it's one decision against us - a big one. But it's not fair to say the referee is responsible for the 1-0 scoreline and with this handball decision it could be 2-0. For what we did in the first-half, we had more than enough chances to score two, three or four goals. We had big chances to score so 1-0 is very short.
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;D
only 39,000?
tut tut tut
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2007, 04:17:05 PM
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;D
Bit early to be gloating NT.
Woudn't want you to put the mockers on your team or anything.
Something to stick on the door of the home dressing room next Tuesday evening!
Good game on sky sports 2 FA Youth Cup Final
Liverpool 1 - 0 Man United
its 2-2 on agg now in extra time
Liverpool have some good youngsters,Jimmy Ryan looks good not sure if he's Irish or not
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 26, 2007, 09:45:50 PM
Good game on sky sports 2 FA Youth Cup Final
Liverpool 1 - 0 Man United
its 2-2 on agg now in extra time
Liverpool have some good youngsters,Jimmy Ryan looks good not sure if he's Irish or not
Liverpool should be out of sight by now, sound familiar ?? !!
Haven't seen all match,Does away goals not count? If they do United are ahead as they scored two at Anfield
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 26, 2007, 10:06:01 PM
Haven't seen all match,Does away goals not count? If they do United are ahead as they scored two at Anfield
No will go to penalties.
All over peno's it is so
QuoteBit early to be gloating NT.
Woudn't want you to put the mockers on your team or anything.
Canna help myself GBB. It's a life time of Manc and Scouse gloating that has turned me into the bitter man I am today.
Gabriel....The 39 thousand odd was a few K short of capacity, but WAS a sell out. UEFA put some strange rules in place from the last 16 phase that requires extra TV cameras, which shuts parts of the ground! Madness!
Tickets changing hands in the Fulham Rd for around £300 last night!
Liverpool Youth Cup Winners 2007, beat the scum on penalties after 2-2 overall draw. The wankers on United thread dont seem too bothered this week but were shooting their mouths off last week when United won the 1st leg
Lay off it Syd no need for that
Liverpool win on penos,good game and Liverpool have a couple of youngsters coming thru who look like they might make it
Hope the senior team were watching and see how to win a second leg from a losing position
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 26, 2007, 10:32:11 PM
Lay it off Syd no need for that
Well its true whether you like it or not, do you think they wouldnt be on the Liverpool thread sticking it to us if they won tonight? They had plenty to say last week. So i will give it to them every chance i get.
You also posted this on the Man Utd thread Syd
QuoteI have went on the record before ladies about how i wouldnt attach too much significance to the Youth Cup
So don't just jump on bandwagon now they have won it
well done liverpool deserved the win tonight some good players on both sides
Syd maybe you should have watched the respect between the players before making stupid comments.
Excellent display by Liverpool, totally destroyed United, especially in second half. I have been watching Lingfield for a while now, he is a class act and surely has a future in the senior squad, as does Spearing.
It may not have shown tonight but the long haired midfielder, the Swedish boy? he is quality too.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 26, 2007, 10:42:44 PM
You also posted this on the Man Utd thread Syd
QuoteI have went on the record before ladies about how i wouldnt attach too much significance to the Youth Cup
So don't just jump on bandwagon now they have won it
And i still stick by that but it always gets the juices going when you beat United at any level. I would be surprised if more than 2 of that team establish themselves in the first team.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 26, 2007, 10:42:44 PM
You also posted this on the Man Utd thread Syd
QuoteI have went on the record before ladies about how i wouldnt attach too much significance to the Youth Cup
So don't just jump on bandwagon now they have won it
Laoislad are you Gandhi in disguise?
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 26, 2007, 10:25:43 PM
Liverpool Youth Cup Winners 2007, beat the scum on penalties after 2-2 overall draw. The wankers on United thread dont seem too bothered this week but were shooting their mouths off last week when United won the 1st leg
thought it didnt matter to you.....
Quote from: An Fear Rua on April 27, 2007, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 26, 2007, 10:25:43 PM
Liverpool Youth Cup Winners 2007, beat the scum on penalties after 2-2 overall draw. The wankers on United thread dont seem too bothered this week but were shooting their mouths off last week when United won the 1st leg
thought it didnt matter to you.....
It doesent but i cant resist a chance to give them a bit of stick, they cant have it both ways, slabbering when they won the 1st leg & totally erasing all memory of the competition when they are beaten.
Fcuk, you are some w4nker sidney
Well done to the Liverpool Youth team
Quote from: full back on April 27, 2007, 10:14:25 AM
Fcuk, you are some w4nker sidney
Well done to the Liverpool Youth team
Cheers boss ;)
How often do you lads get to anfailed? any regulars?
Not anywhere near a regular. 4 times this year, best I've managed in few years. Can't manage midweek games so have missed out on the Euro's.
I know a few who are Euro regulars and don't go to league games.
Why you ask? Is this going to turn into a "part-time supporter rant"?
just curious is all , it will only turn into a rant if you start ranting...
Quote from: An Fear Rua on April 27, 2007, 10:58:13 AM
just curious is all , it will only turn into a rant if you start ranting...
Apologies, no ranting. Getting paranoid round this thread as must things end up in a rant.
TBH Bingo, IMHO, Most of the Scouse supporters on here are genuine, know their football & enjoy the slagging (giving & taking), but it is the likes of sidney the wailer that turns every topic in a mud-slinging shit talking session
Quote from: full back on April 27, 2007, 11:16:48 AM
TBH Bingo, IMHO, Most of the Scouse supporters on here are genuine, know their football & enjoy the slagging (giving & taking), but it is the likes of sidney the wailer that turns every topic in a mud-slinging shit talking session
I totally agree and generally have learnt to stay away until these little "mines bigger than yours" rants are over. I enjoy a bit of slagging on the boards with genuine fans who will engage in a bit of banter and debate. Somehow with the likes of these around it will always end up in a school boy slagging match.
Quote from: full back on April 27, 2007, 11:16:48 AM
TBH Bingo, IMHO, Most of the Scouse supporters on here are genuine, know their football & enjoy the slagging (giving & taking), but it is the likes of sidney the wailer that turns every topic in a mud-slinging shit talking session
Maybe you should have a word with Slimfast & New Devil, bindippers, rateaters hubcaps etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: The Truth on April 27, 2007, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: full back on April 27, 2007, 11:16:48 AM
TBH Bingo, IMHO, Most of the Scouse supporters on here are genuine, know their football & enjoy the slagging (giving & taking), but it is the likes of sidney the wailer that turns every topic in a mud-slinging shit talking session
Maybe you should have a word with Slimfast & New Devil, bindippers, rateaters hubcaps etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tony isnt here any more!!
QuoteMaybe you should have a word with Slimfast & New Devil, bindippers, rateaters hubcaps etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Bit of a difference with this and glorying in a plane crash that killed players nearly fifty years ago.
Or in a crush were people were killed.
Aye Syd wise up. You've probably only been supporting Liverpool since May 25th 2005. I reckon you've been a Leeds, Blackburn, Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea fan in the past ;)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 27, 2007, 11:53:56 AM
Aye Syd wise up. You've probably only been supporting Liverpool since May 25th 2005. I reckon you've been a Leeds, Blackburn, Man United, Arsenal and Chelsea fan in the past ;)
Not guilty, as Rooney once said "once a blue, always a blue" ooopsss, maybe not a great example
Quote from: SlimShady on April 27, 2007, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: The Truth on April 27, 2007, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: full back on April 27, 2007, 11:16:48 AM
TBH Bingo, IMHO, Most of the Scouse supporters on here are genuine, know their football & enjoy the slagging (giving & taking), but it is the likes of sidney the wailer that turns every topic in a mud-slinging shit talking session
Maybe you should have a word with Slimfast & New Devil, bindippers, rateaters hubcaps etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Tony isnt here any more!!
He has a few clowns claiming to be him though......
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 27, 2007, 11:53:13 AM
Or in a crush were people were killed.
when has anyone "glorified" or revelled in Hillsborough on this board?? your on autopilot on this one.
It was a tragedy, and changed the shape of english football, IMHO for the worse.
Munich was a tragedy, as was Hysel,Bradford, Ibrox, Burnden park etc, we would all do well to remember that.
Bingo looks like your the only person who has actually gone to a game !!
No auto pilot required.
Quote from slim earlier in the tread when discussing the rows at United games.
a good oul riot never harmed anyone....oh wait, i forgot about Hysel!
If you don't find this distasteful or to be honest down right scummy then fair enough. For me comments like that are every bit as bad as singing about Munich.
And I've been to a few games aswell. Not as many as I'd like but a few. What has that to do with anything?
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 27, 2007, 12:47:34 PM
No auto pilot required.
Quote from slim earlier in the tread when discussing the rows at United games.
a good oul riot never harmed anyone....oh wait, i forgot about Hysel!
If you don't find this distasteful or to be honest down right scummy then fair enough. For me comments like that are every bit as bad as singing about Munich.
And I've been to a few games aswell. Not as many as I'd like but a few. What has that to do with anything?
whats wrong with what i said? Liverpool fans caused the Hysel disaster, simpli sin!! Have i poked fun at the dead? No.
that was said in direction to a post by someone who was revelling in the fact United fans were involved in a riot in Rome. I merely pointed out that yer own supporters (''the best in the world'' yer havin a laugh!!) have the worst record in Europe.
If you don't have a problem with it Slim that down to yourself.
personally I found it a distasteful comment. in the end of the day people still died. So how is that sort of a comment any worse than people saying a flippant comment Munich?
Both are scummy.
yes people died, and its a shame. Liverpool fans caused it, and thats a fact. Flippant my hole.
again with this bollocks?
And what Slim? you're the only one round here that brings up the "Best supporters in the world crap" I don't here any of the Liverpool supporters mentioning anything like that. And it's been you and Sid that's been coming out with the shit about Munich and Hysel.
So in my eyes you's are both as bad as each other.
ok, you win. anything to shut you the f**k up you whingeing big girls blouse.
Hurl, I argue no more with this fool and you bindippers can post in peace for a day or two...until the ECL Final...i hope!
Ouch!!
:D
An Fear Rua, get over to a couple a year. Not as much as I would like but funs/ lack of tickets is a problem at the moment. I do believe I am on the season ticket list but I also hear 27,000 others are too.
You a United man, do you get over to Old Trafford much? Who you think will win the semis next week?
I get to OT about 20-25 times a season, and prob about 15 away games, then again I only live around the corner from OT.
Semi are hard to call, as I mentioned elsewhere, If liverpool get an early goal, and then stiffle chelsea with Martin Jols bus, Id prob expect them to go through, but it will be brutal to watch.
As for Utd and Milan, Utd have agreat chance , and I full expect them to score out there, BUT the complete lack of a top class defence will cost them. How much they pay will have to be seen.
All in all Ive no idea, everyone is in with a shout.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on April 27, 2007, 10:34:22 AM
How often do you lads get to anfailed? any regulars?
Usually get over 3 or 4 times a season. Only been once this season though (I was in Barcelona though as well for the quarter-final game) as I was away during the 6 nations and am saving for a trip to the World Cup in September.
Wonder what kind of team he puts out tomorrow?
I have a draw backed,and in fairness i'd take it with no injurys ahead of Anfields greatest night to be on tuesday
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 27, 2007, 10:55:43 PM
Wonder what kind of team he puts out tomorrow?
I have a draw backed,and in fairness i'd take it with no injurys ahead of Anfields greatest night to be on tuesday
He should put the reserves out tomorrow. There is no point in taking a risk with anyone that will be involved on Tuesday. Result is irrelevant.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 27, 2007, 10:55:43 PM
Wonder what kind of team he puts out tomorrow?
I have a draw backed,and in fairness i'd take it with no injurys ahead of Anfields greatest night to be on tuesday
I can't see too many of the first choice playing. I think Portsmouth will probably nick it. They need the points for a UEFA spot, while they mean nothing to Liverpool, beyond the hollow prize of finishing third.
May as well give Fowler a runout and give him a chance to bow out with a goal or two before the season is over. One of the best there has been in Premiership albeit for a short period of time.
Quote from: Syd The Sailor on April 27, 2007, 11:05:07 PM
May as well give Fowler a runout and give him a chance to bow out with a goal or two before the season is over. One of the best there has been in Premiership albeit for a short period of time.
I agree, along with John Aldridge,Fowler is one of my favorite players ever
Some of his goals from YOUTUBE inc his five against Fulham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM4LaXPYu3A&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM4LaXPYu3A&mode=related&search=)
I think after Ian Rush and King Kenny, Peter Beardsley was one of my favourite players. He always gave 100% unlike a lot of the wasters playing Premiership soccer these days.
Team v Portsmouth
Dudek
Arbeloa
Hyypia
Paletta
Insua ???
Sissoko
Alonso
Zenden
Gonzalez
Fowler
Bellamy
Argentinian left back.
It will be Crouch and Pennant playing tuesday night me thinks
One of the worst Liverpool teams I have ever seen.
Ooh Portsmouth 2-0 Liverpool
Pompy 1 - 0 Liverpool (Benjani 29)
2-0 now :-[
I f**king knew it. What is the sense of putting out this crap. Doesn't make sense.
At the most only 3 of that team might be considered for tuesday night Alonso,Sissoko and Bellamy
As long as he keeps that tube Zenden as far away as possible from the team - hell, I would even let him on the team bus.
Zenden just smashed the cross bar with a brilliant volley from about 35 yards very unlucky
Quote from: Cloc Mor on April 28, 2007, 03:41:21 PM
I f**king knew it. What is the sense of putting out this crap. Doesn't make sense.
Would it make more sense if he put out all the regulars and got a few injuries ahead of Tuesday night ?
2-1
Free header from a corner for Hyypia
2-1 Hyypia
Nabil El Zhar forward replaces Mohamed Sissoko. ?????????
All over lost 2-1 not that bothered with todays result too be honest and i have no doubt Rafa won't be either
Hopefully after Chelsea's tough game today they will have tired legs on tuesday night
Quote from: 5iveTimes on April 28, 2007, 05:11:10 PM
Todays result is irrelevant, Tuesday is what counts.
Utd won the league today :(
Yeah well done Scunthorpe Utd Championship football for ye next year ;)
Any word on Carvalhos injury? He went off today against Bolton
He's out.Still plenty to do.However, they lost the league today so let's hope it's the start of a bad week for them.
any views on a team for tomorrow night lads?
I'd go for
Renia
Finnan Carra Agger Riise
Pennant Gerrard Alonso Gonzalez
Kuyt Crouch
There might be a case for playing Riise on the left wing and bringing Aurelio in at left back too
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 30, 2007, 10:35:01 AM
any views on a team for tomorrow night lads?
I'd go for
Renia
Finnan Carra Agger Riise
Pennant Gerrard Alonso Gonzalez
Kuyt Crouch
There might be a case for playing Riise on the left wing and bringing Aurelio in at left back too
Aurelio will find it difficult playing with a bust achilles !! ::) ::)
My apoligies Syd i meant to say Arbeola
Is Finnan fit?
Its reported on sky sports news today that he is fit
My Team would be
Renia
Finnan Carra Agger Arbeloa
Gerrad Mascarano Alonso Riise
Kuyt Crouch
I honestly think we need Gerrard in the middle with Pennant putting decent delivery on the wing
Wouyld you not consider playing Hyypia?
He is the only defender at the club who could maybe deal with Drogba in the air!? - although he will get roasted on the ground!
You make a fair point there Goats,and Hyypia can always come up with a goal himself
I think though Agger will be better able for Drogba this time
Anyone else think if Drogba gets booked he won't bother trying to much as he'll know he's gone from the final?
Micheal Owen expected to start for Newcastle tonight im delighted to see him back hope he stays injury free now
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 30, 2007, 03:59:49 PM
Anyone else think if Drogba gets booked he won't bother trying to much as he'll know he's gone from the final?
Would expect him to be substituted if this happens! I like your team we gotta get wide and get crosses in for Crouch !! Starting to sweat thinking bout it nervous as f***! :)
Well its shit or bust now isn't it we have to go for the jugalar from the off,Chelsea must be tiring now
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 30, 2007, 04:13:35 PM
Well it shit or bust now isn't we have to go for the jugalar from the off,Chelsea must be tiring now
Any word on Carvalho? would give up my right testicle to be in the Kop for this one !!! they seemed tired near the end of the game last week and that bolton game was no walk in the park for them either!
Carvalho out as per Sky Sports News with Boularouz taking his place and he hasn't played for 8 weeks!
Ballack also out
Would give both testicles to be there :D
:D :D :D
carvalho definately out. against bolton lampard, joe cole, and drogba all started on the bench, so fatigue will be a factor for terry, cashley etc rather than those three.
in the news today-bellamy claims he no longer enjoys a professional relationship with rafa, and also that the deal for simao is more or less done and dusted.
my team v bolton:
pepe
finnan agger carra arbeloa
pennant gerrard alonso riise
crouch kuyt
....would give all three of my testicles to be there :-\
I see Scott Carson was named Charltons player of the season,He'll hardly be happy warming Liverpools bench next season so
Rafa to pull another tactical fast one on the "Special One" tomorrow and line out 3-5-2
Reina
Agger, Hypia, Carra
Finnan, Alonso, Gerrard, Mascarano, Riise
Kuyt, Crouch
Liverpool to run amock and win 2-0
wouldnt be surprised to see the 3-5-2 either.
not feeling confident about tomorrow night. shame on me! hopefully rafa and stevie g can produce some magic and pull us through. someone from milan said recently about the necessity to have a few magic moments in order to win the Champions League, we havnt had too many of these this season, bar maybe the performance v Barca. In 2005 we had the 3-2 win over Olympiakos, Luis Garcia's goal v Juve, the Chelski affair, not to mention the final.
My dream/outlandish prediction for tomorrow night: Chelsea to score an early goal, and go in at half time leading the tie 2-0 with an away goal. Jose to give a cocky halftime interview, totally belittlling Rafa. The Reds to emerge in the 2nd half, (Hamann on for Finnan??), goals from Kuyt, Stevie and a last minute scrappy goalmouth effort from God see us through!! Fingers crossed!!
RAFA: MOURINHO COST CHELSEA TITLE
Rafael Benitez has fuelled his feud with Jose Mourinho by claiming that tinkering with his Chelsea team at the weekend "cost him the league title".
Liverpool boss Benitez has had to listen to Mourinho's suggestion that the Anfield men have been playing "testimonials" for weeks because they have only one trophy to play for.
The Chelsea manager has also been critical of Benitez's decisions to rest players ahead of Liverpool's Champions League clashes.
But now Benitez, ahead of tomorrow's decisive semi-final second leg at Anfield, claims that by trying to do the same in the 2-2 draw against Bolton on Saturday, Mourinho lost Chelsea their Barclays Premiership crown.
"It has cost him the league title," Benitez said.
And that, believes Benitez, will make the pressure-cooker atmosphere at Stamford Bridge even more difficult for Mourinho to handle.
Benitez even took a sly dig at Mourinho's 'Special One' tag, saying: "We have our special ones here, they are our fans, who always play with their hearts."
He added of Chelsea: "They know the pressure they have, but everyone has their own problems. We want to win this game, we want to finish third and, as for them, I do not need to put them under more pressure because they know full well what pressure they are under to win things.
"They try to win everything - that is enough pressure without me saying anything.
"They know the pressures they are under, you only have to ask Mr Abramovich what he wants, the Champions League or the Premier League. They know.
"It is clear they will be under pressure because they were talking about trophies, trophies, trophies. Maybe they have one less to win now and that makes the Champions League their priority."
Mourinho has also been critical of Liverpool's fans over the past week, but Benitez hit back by saying that, unlike Chelsea, Liverpool do not need to hand out free flags to get their fans in the right mood.
He added: "At Stamford Bridge, we showed that our supporters won their battle, even though Chelsea had their fans all with flags to wave. But our supporters were there with their hearts.
"We do not need to give away flags for our fans to wave - our supporters are always there with their hearts and that is all we need.
"I aim to be concentrating on one competition after the semi-final, and I do not worry whether Chelsea have one or two to think about.
"They will know that Anfield is a difficult place for them. I know they can say it is not a problem and they have experienced it before, but we know it will be a problem for them.
"Our supporters, they are the special ones, that is clear. Chelsea know why."
Two years ago, the Anfield hordes roared their team into the Istanbul final on a memorable night against Chelsea, and Benitez believes they can do it again, with the Merseysiders 1-0 down from the first-leg.
He said: "We can use the memories of two years ago to our advantage because we know what the players and fans can do working together.
"I remember before the game in 2005, the Chelsea players spoke a lot about being ready for the Anfield atmosphere, but when the game was played they could not handle it. It's very difficult for any opposing team to prepare to play against 12 men.
"Our fans cannot give red cards or award penalties, but they can score goals. I like this about our supporters because we know they will show they are in the best in the world again tomorrow night.
"The players can also use these positive memories. We will go into the game with a lot of confidence, but we know Chelsea are a very good team and we cannot afford to make mistakes.
"They are a team which has been built with a lot of money to win major trophies. They spent a lot of money on [Andriy] Shevchenko and [Michael] Ballack last year because their priority is the Champions League. Now they have more difficulties in the Premiership, it's clear if they're going to win a major trophy, this is the one they want to win."
And Benitez reveals he has spent time working on the mistakes made in the first leg last week at Stamford Bridge.
He said: "We are trying to learn from our mistakes in the first leg, they are very good, but I have confidence because playing with 12 men is a great advantage for us.
"It is no secret we will try to play with a high tempo from the beginning, something we didn't do in the first-leg. If we can keep a high tempo going for 90 minutes, that will be perfect.
"We did not play to our best level in the first leg, that is the key for me.
"If we play to our best, we will win."
Shevcheko out of tomorrow's game as well.
Where you hear that Galway?
It's on the BBC
QuoteLiverpool full-back Steve Finnan is set to return as the Reds look to overhaul a 1-0 first-leg deficit in their Champions League semi-final at Anfield.
Striker Peter Crouch could also be in line for a starting place.
Chelsea striker Andriy Shevchenko has joined Ricardo Carvalho and Michael Ballack on the injured list but fit-again Arjen Robben is in the squad.
Midfielder Michael Essien returns for the Blues, but he could be drafted into central defence in place of Carvalho.
Quote from: SuperSub on April 30, 2007, 07:19:24 PM
Where you hear that Galway?
Sports news on the radio.
Getting nervous now I hope this time tomorrow night im in a good mood!
On a vaguely Liverpool related matter, I was waiting all evening for Michael Owen to conjure up a goal. Alas, he failed. Never mind Michael, I'm sure you'll have plenty of chances in the Zenith Data Systems Cup, or whatever Newcastle are going to aim for next season.
Did anyone see ESPN last nite , they did a story on Dalglish, christ he was quality, we could be doing with him tonight
Saw a bit of Owen last night. He's got strong (put on a stone and its all muscle according to himself) and if he hasn't lost the pace (looked fine last night) he could be a better player than he was before. Will score a good few goals for the barcodes next year alongside Martins.
Hopefully Owen enjoys playing the remainder of his playing days between mid table & relegation zone. He was a greedy wee f*cker and tried to hold Liverpool to ransom before he left for Madrid.
here here syd,reminds of that c**k lucas neill
2-0 I hope :-[ :-[
Not long now folks!! whats the thoughts?? think we are in for a good one, Liverpool to win it on penaltys ;D
Hi Stateside. Cant make out who that is on your photo .Is it you?
Liverpool 3-0.
I can but dream.
Very very tight tonight. I'm looking forward to it and not looking forward to it (negative side).
Reckon we need to score in opeing 20 minutes or it could turn into another Barcelona match this season or Benifca game from last.
Have a very negative vibe though and can see Chelsea score. Hope I'm miles off. Glad that Sheva is out (Think he owes us a boot in the balls big time) and hope Essien is at CB with Terry rather than in Midfield.
Finally,........COME ON YOU REDMEN!!!!
Quote from: Wee Roddy on May 01, 2007, 04:50:06 PM
Hi Stateside. Cant make out who that is on your photo .Is it you?
Na its Wee Dan!
Right, close to kick off, predictions?
2-1
2-0 Chelsea.
Reina
Finnan
Carragher
Agger
Riise
Pennant
Gerrard
Mascherano
Zenden
Crouch
Kuyt
Cech
Ferreira
Terry
Essien
Cole
Makalele
Mikel
Lampard
J Cole
Drogba
Kalou
Feckin Zenden plays again. >:(
Alonso dropped.
FFS whats Zenden playing for :o At least Gerrard is in the middle i suppose :-\
3-1 Liverpool and we'll play Milan in Final again
2-nil again
I like to look of this team - I'm not fussed on Zenden play - who else can we stick out there?
A score draw or liverpool win.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 01, 2007, 06:59:50 PM
2-nil again
I like to look of this team - I'm not fussed on Zenden play - who else can we stick out there?
Gonzalez or Riise?
liverpool 1 (1) chelsea0 (1) aet. reina to put pool into final with save on shevchenkos penalty ;D
Quote from: overdabar on May 01, 2007, 07:13:57 PM
liverpool 1 (1) chelsea0 (1) aet. reina to put pool into final with save on shevchenkos penalty ;D
He ain't playing
Riise is already left back
and Gonzalez is rubbish
It is what it is lads strange or not, 2 0 Zenden with both ;D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 01, 2007, 07:21:46 PM
Riise is already left back
and Gonzalez is rubbish
I know Riise is left back but he could have put Arebola there and Riise on the wing
Also Gonzalez isn't that bad and he is much quicker than Zenden and can deliver decent crosses wheras as Zenden didn't give one good cross against Chelsea
Anyway what do i know i hope Zenden scores a hat trick 8)
ESPN gives best champions leauge goal to Peter crouch for his bicycle kick against Galatasaray ;D Take another one!
Goal Liverpool! All square
game on...
go oooooooonnnnnnn ;D :D cole should have been booked too!
Liverpool are missing the boat here, they stepped up the gas played well and got the goal they deserved from the opening half hour. The need to keep playing at that tempo. Retire back the pitch and Chelski will sneak one and kill the tie
Half Time, same score, this is a bloody brilliant game!
I'm dying here
This is some game, you'd expect Chelsea 2 be a bit better, pool should be leading, could go either way!
Carragher is doinng so good in defence.
This is unreal!! Hearts bout to go! :-[
What the hell is that guy from "Bottom" doing playing for Liverpool?
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No, wait hang on, its Zendon.
Full Time, heading to extra time!!!! Great Game!
KYUT NET NETS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OFFSIDE WOW!!!
Still level
bellamy coming on for the last 15
Still time for God
Reds look stronger. We can win it now if they go for it!!
i will never stick penelties feel sick :'(
lets go GOD
;D
Game going to PENALTIES!!!!
here we go:
2 great keepers...
liverpool first into anfield rd end
zenden first
1-0
robben next
miss 1-0
alonso up
2-0 (just)
lampard
2-1
gerrard
3-1
geremi
miss 3-1
kuyt
4-1 liverpool through
yessssssssss
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Congrats Liverpool
Form is temporary, Class is permanent.
GO ONNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Go on the mighty Reds!!!
Get the fcuk in
Ah, penalties. Even won the Youth Cup on penalties!
I watched it as a neutral - not really being too bothered about soccer.
One thing that struck me is the complete bias of the RTE commentary team and the analysts in the studio apart from Dunphy towards Liverpool.
I would expect more from RTE.
And also, for what its worth, IMHO Liverpool getting to the champions league final (and winning it 2 years ago) devalues the title of "best team in Europe". There is no possible way they can be considered as such regardless of their results in the champions league
Please be United ;D ;D
Oh please!!!!
Lads, has anyone the number of a good cardiologist? I'm shaking like a leaf.....
On the night, I think Liverpool deserved it, they had a few chances and played whatever football was there, especially in the first half. In fairness to Chelsea, they showed savage character again, Terry and Essien and Makelele were superb. Their season just caught up on them I think.
IF it's United in the final, I may well die.
Walk on, Walk on....
YESSSSSSS!!!!
I nearly had a heart attack twice during the game. God knows what the final is going to be like.
Pepe Reina is a legend!
I'd rather have Milan for health reasons
but a Pool - ManUre final
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I could hardly watch. Great stuff. Roll on Ac Milan!
Quote from: blast05 on May 01, 2007, 10:31:08 PM
I watched it as a neutral - not really being too bothered about soccer.
One thing that struck me is the complete bias of the RTE commentary team and the analysts in the studio apart from Dunphy towards Liverpool.
I would expect more from RTE.
And also, for what its worth, IMHO Liverpool getting to the champions league final (and winning it 2 years ago) devalues the title of "best team in Europe". There is no possible way they can be considered as such regardless of their results in the champions league
I don't think anyone with half a brain in their head would consider the RTE panel biased towards Liverpool. They get stuck into us regularly. They just wanted us to win tonight as we were the better team in general play so in their minds "deserved" to go through.
As for Liverpool "devaluing" the Champions League well that's utter tripe. The European Cup and CL is a knockout cup competition. Not a league. The best team in Europe doesn't always win it. In fact more often than not they don't.
GO ON YOU ******* BEAUTY!!!!!!!!!
THAT WAS STIRRING STUFF. COULD BARELY WATCH IT.
Need a drink of something very strong....
BLAST05...Blow it out your arse!
:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
I went through every single emotion tonight
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
QuoteI don't think anyone with half a brain in their head would consider the RTE panel biased towards Liverpool. They get stuck into us regularly. They just wanted us to win tonight as we were the better team in general play.
As another neutral would agree with most of that except Ray Houghton is very pro-Liverpool but understandable as an ex-player, the other 3 are far from pro-Liverpool if fact they're probably anti-everything. I see Dunphy offered odds on Chelsea of 2/1 just before the penalties..
Congrats by the way lads, better team on the night won it, Chelsea should have put the game away in the first leg but they didn't...
Quote from: blast05 on May 01, 2007, 10:31:08 PM
I watched it as a neutral - not really being too bothered about soccer.
One thing that struck me is the complete bias of the RTE commentary team and the analysts in the studio apart from Dunphy towards Liverpool.
I would expect more from RTE.
And also, for what its worth, IMHO Liverpool getting to the champions league final (and winning it 2 years ago) devalues the title of "best team in Europe". There is no possible way they can be considered as such regardless of their results in the champions league
If your not really bothered about soccer why post such shite why do you care ::) f**k OFF YOU TOSSER
COME ON THE POOL
Reina saved 2 from 3 tonight
3 from 4 in the FA Cup Final last night
and in his last season with Villareal - he saved 7 out of 9 in the league
Quote
I don't think anyone with half a brain in their head would consider the RTE panel biased towards Liverpool. They get stuck into us regularly. They just wanted us to win tonight as we were the better team in general play.
Maybe so, i don't watch the Premiership often enough but there is no question that Darragh Maloney and Ray Houghton are Liverpool supporters
QuoteAs for Liverpool "devaluing" the Champions League well that's utter tripe. The European Cup and CL is a knockout cup competition. Not a league. The best team in Europe doesn't always win it. In fact more often than not they don't.
I didn't say that - i said "devalues the title of best team in Europe". The 2nd part of your line above agrees with this comment.
QuoteTerry and Essien and Makelele were superb.
I thought Makelele was shite
QuoteBlast05, we can only beat what is put in front of us.
I'll never understand the use of the word "we" from people who weren't born into it (my loss i guess). Apologies if you were born into it
QuoteIf your not really bothered about soccer why post such shite f**k OFF YOU TOSSER
True to form insightful analysis and commentary
Good luck to yee all anyway. I'm sure it would never compare with your county winning the All-Ireland
Im havin a few Milllers 5ive times it's working for me to slow down my heart rate
QuoteRay Houghton are Liverpool supporters
Ray Houghton a Liverpool fan no never ::) who would have thought a former Liverpool Legend would be a Liverpool fan ???
If its United in the final then to be honest I dont know who to support. Either way, a scouser will get his paws on the trophy.
Quotethere is no question that Darragh Maloney and Ray Houghton are Liverpool supporters
Defo. They were cheerleaders not commentators.
Liverpool deserved it on the night. Chelsea are a brave team but didn't have enough in the tank for this hurlde and must really regret no having a bigger lead from the first leg.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 01, 2007, 10:49:23 PM
I was at the 2005 final in Istanbul, that game tonight was much harder to watch, especially the penalties. I couldnt sit down, I was out taking the washing in off the line for the last 5 minutes. Its gonna take me a couple of hours to calm down and get to sleep, but it was worth every single minute of it.
I feel like I had a dozen red bulls, poor fratic at moment, phone flat out as well!!
Jaysus, you go through the ringer with this club.....but you couldn't beat it with a big stick!!!
BTW the 9/4 that I took on Liverpool going through was sweet. Thanks PP.
anyone thinking of going? lookng at flights here, unless im missing somethng ryanair or easyjet dont do athens? any tips?
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 01, 2007, 10:55:38 PM
BTW the 9/4 that I took on Liverpool going through was sweet. Thanks PP.
The 12/1 that i got on a AC Milan/Liverpool final is looking good too
Liverpool FC website - been down nearly an hour now
yeah been trying it to Gab Hurl
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Agger you legend
unbelievable result... pure balls in the end. chelski have fallen down the slope...
AWESOME REDS ARE GOING TO ATHENS
Liverpool are through to the Champions League Final in Athens after they produced an awesome performance to overturn Chelsea's first leg lead and win the Tuesday's Semi Final on penalties on a glorious night at Anfield.
The Reds sealed their place in the final against either Manchester United or AC Milan after Daniel Agger's first half leveller had taken them into extra time and then penalties. And they beat Chelsea 4-1 on penalties with Pepe Reina the hero saving three of Chelsea's spot kicks.
It was a cruel way to go for Chelsea, but on the balance of chances Liverpool deserved their win because they were the ones who had come closest and controlled most of an epic 115 minutes.
It wasn't just on the pitch that this battle was won. The Anfield atmosphere was simply breathtaking. You could search far and wide and still not find a support to match it. No one does scarves and flags like Liverpool and, combined with the noise; it presented a wall of power that drove the players on to a fantastic prize.
And it will be Liverpool's second European Cup Final in just three years, a throw back to the late 70s and early 80s, when the Reds dominated Europe just as they are doing now.
With what was at stake it was no surprise to see this game start slowly. Jose Mourinho had said his side would come here to attack, but they dropped inside their own half every time Liverpool had the ball and the Reds were finding space hard to find.
Rafa had stated his intention by starting with Steven Gerrard at the centre of the midfield and with two strikers in Dirk Kuyt and Peter Crouch. And it was Liverpool who did all of the early pressing, without really threatening to test Petr Cech in the Chelsea goal.
That was until the 22nd minute, when Daniel Agger scored and sent an already noisy Anfield into an absolute frenzy. It came from a free kick on the left of the Chelsea penalty area. Steven Gerrard fooled everyone when he rolled the ball back to Agger 12 yards from goal and he finished superbly side footed.
We needed a great save by Reina from danger man Drogba just minutes later and Chelsea got on the front foot for the first time as half time approached, but Agger's goal had levelled the tie and it was game on when the sides went in for the break.
The game was on a knife edge. A goal for Liverpool would put them in pole position, but a goal for Chelsea would leave the Reds needing two. Steven Gerrard though wasn't about to stick, he wanted to force the issue and only the timely intervention of Ashley Cole deprived him of a run on goal with the second half just minutes old.
Chelsea responded with a shot wide from Cole, but Liverpool were soon back on the attack and it took a brilliant save from Cech to stop Crouch's far post header after Pennant's cross had picked him out.
Liverpool were looking the more likely and they came desperately close again in the 59th minute when this time Riise's cross found the head of Kuyt; and he rattled the Chelsea crossbar with Cech beaten.
The chances kept coming for Liverpool. Next it was a last ditch deflection that sent Pennant's fierce shot over the crossbar and into the Kop. The Reds were on top, but the question on everyone's lips was would the goal come; and would Chelsea come again.
Liverpool escaped when Carragher deflected the ball just inches over his own crossbar with Drogba closing in, but as the clock ticked towards 90 minutes it became obvious that we would have extra time.
It was again Liverpool who had the better chances in extra time. It took a great block to stop Riise's goalbound effort and all of Anfield thought they'd scored the winner when Kuyt slammed the ball home after Cech could only parry Alonso's shot, but they were cruelly denied by what looked a wrong offside decision. And in the dieing minutes, it took another fine Cech save to deny Kuyt a certain winner.
So it was penalties and it was just like Istanbul with Liverpool's goalkeeper and penalty takers again proving they had the greater strength of mind. Zenden scored, Reina saved from Robben , Alonso scored, Lampard scored, Gerrard scored, Reina saved from Geremi and then Kuyt scored. What a night!
Teams
Liverpool: Reina, Riise, Agger (captain), Carragher, Finnan, Zenden, Gerrard MBE, Mascherano, Pennant, Crouch, Kuyt. Subs - Hyypia, Fowler, Padelli, Gonzalez, Arbeloa, Bellamy, Alonso
Chelsea: Cech, Cole, Terry (captain), Essien, Ferreira, Cole, Lampard, Makelele, Obi Mikel, Drogba, Kalou. Subs - Cudicini, Bridge, Wright-Phillips, Diarra, Boulahrouz, Robben,
Referee: Mejuto Gonzalez
Conditions: Dry
Attendance: 42554
Liverpoolfc.tv Man-of-the-Match: Jamie Carragher
Unbelieveable, I was in hospital with Mrs BC and had no TV access. My old buddy AZ kept me informed of the whole thing as the new Maternity in Cork has no TVs yet. I got home with 5 minutes of extra time to go. Bloody hell but Pepe is one hell of a keeper for penos.
I knew as soon as Robben placed the ball that he was missing. I turned to BC junior and told him he would miss. His whole body language said it.
Please AC win as I could not get through a final against Manure :-[
QuoteLiverpoolfc.tv Man-of-the-Match: Jamie Carragher
Without a shadow of a doubt
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We've won 10 out of 11 penalty shoot-outs in Europe now.
Starting to calm down a bit, think I told wife that if the baby is a boy its been called Rafa, end of. Just been reminded of it and told it was silly...I agreed, if its a girl its been called Rafa as well !!!
How Javier Mascherano couldn't get into that West Ham team is unbelieveable.
I'm convinced that Dirk Kuyt has an identical twin and the play alternative halves, how he kept going!! Unreal.
Credit to Riise, Agger and Sir Jamie of Liverpool, had Drogba sorted all night.
Reina is a banker at these peno's...he must have the fear or god in the peno takers before they even hit one.
Kilkenny took a wee bit of the fun (only a wee bit, mind) out of last Sunday by being uniformly magnanimous in defeat. Happily we've no such problems with Mourinho. So long Jose, don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 01, 2007, 11:07:47 PM
We've won 10 out of 11 penalty shoot-outs in Europe now.
The only one Liverpool have lost was against Wimbledon in the League Cup. Two European Cup finals and one semi-final, FA Cup final, League Cup final, FA Cup semi-final, Youth Cup final . . . all won.
We're going to lose in Athens on penalties now
What did dunphy the mouth say about it?
He was hoping Chelsea would win shoot out,probably because he could berate Benitez's tactics
Once again he's left with egg on his face,What did he say after Barcelona? Benitez was found out tonight or something to that effect ::)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 01, 2007, 11:19:00 PM
He was hoping Chelsea would win shoot out,probably because he could berate Benitez's tactics
Once again he's left with egg on his face,What did he say after Barcelona? Benitez was found out tonight or something to that effect ::)
Eh? He said Liverpool were "certain" to win. His only reason for hoping Chelsea would win was to keep The Special One in English football.
He said he "hoped" Chelsea won
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 01, 2007, 11:21:17 PM
He said he "hoped" Chelsea won
Because he wanted to Mourinho to survive. Sympathy for a fellow anti-Christ, I guess
I don't believe that were his reasons i reckon he wanted to be proved right about Liverpool
Anyways what odds does it make he's a w**ker and a bitter bitter man
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 01, 2007, 11:05:23 PM
I knew as soon as Robben placed the ball that he was missing. I turned to BC junior and told him he would miss. His whole body language said it.
Was just up out of bed in Sydney and flicked on SBS to see if I could get the result, saw there was 10 minutes left in Extra time, as soon as the final whistle went the first shot I saw was of Mourinho going over to Robben and he was shaking his head saying no, when I saw him step up for the peno I turned to herself and said he's going to miss, you're right BC1 , he choked big time, reminded me of your old managers saying, "I don't want the guy who'll turn up to a Saturday night challenge in his disco pants and score 2-6, give me the man who'll burst his gut in the last five minutes of a championship match when the fat is in the fire"
Well done to Liverpool, don't care who wins really but would like to see a UnitedvPool fina
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1v9vj_liverpool-1-0-chelsea-agger
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QuoteHe was hoping Chelsea would win shoot out,probably because he could berate Benitez's tactics
Once again he's left with egg on his face
I fairness to Dunphy he called the penalty shootout to a tee and he specifically said that the reason he hoped Chelsea would win was that Mourinho did not deserve to end on such a note and as one with only a passive interest in soccer, i would have to agree on this latter point
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I did warn Norf Tyrone but would he listen to me?
Nooooo. ;D
What a douche ;D
Jose being a gracious loser as usual. ;D
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Quote from: blast05 on May 01, 2007, 11:35:39 PM
QuoteHe was hoping Chelsea would win shoot out,probably because he could berate Benitez's tactics
Once again he's left with egg on his face
I fairness to Dunphy he called the penalty shootout to a tee and he specifically said that the reason he hoped Chelsea would win was that Mourinho did not deserve to end on such a note and as one with only a passive interest in soccer, i would have to agree on this latter point
Well anyone who has"more than a passive interest in soccer" will know what w w**ker Dunphy is and i don't believe those were his reasons i think he had other motives why,Mainly so he could give us his most laughable quote to date "Gerrard is a nothing player" Or "Benitez was found out tonight" He was just waiting to tell every one how right he was
ps Blast for some one who only has a passive interest your very opinionated about soccer
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 01, 2007, 11:45:20 PM
Jose being a gracious loser as usual. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO8FxTmAqjk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO8FxTmAqjk)
How can he say with out laughing that Chelsea were the better team tonight?
Quote from: blast05 on May 01, 2007, 10:31:08 PM
And also, for what its worth, IMHO Liverpool getting to the champions league final (and winning it 2 years ago) devalues the title of "best team in Europe". There is no possible way they can be considered as such regardless of their results in the champions league
How many times does "the best" team win any competition, especially one played in a knock-out format?
Are Italy the best international side in the world? Were Greece the best in Europe three years ago? Would Arsenal have been the best had they held on last year?
Liverpool have knocked out Chelsea and Barcelona. Had one of those gone on to win it, you probably wouldn't be making this complaint.
And let's say the competition returned to league champions-only entry. If United pip Chelsea for the league title by a point, suggesting two very closely matched teams, would it not be devaluing the competition to lose a team of the quality of Chelsea (or vice versa), thus giving a team from a weaker league an increased chance of winning it?
To use an example closer to home, Dublin had a relatively handy passage to the All Ireland semi-final last year. Say they had beaten Mayo (a mere two point swing) in the semi, and caught Kerry on the hop in the final. Would the All Ireland championship thus be deemed a devalued competition?
No sign of Syd tonight lads he must be on the porter :)
My heart is still racing i'll never get to sleep tonight
QuoteAdd that to your history Liverfool
Don't mind if we do, thanks.
Watching Mourinho made me feel a little sorry for journalists. He can say talk utter nonsense, safe in the knowledge that anyone who pulls him up on it will be blackballed by the very people he / she depends on for their livelihood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esbmiuQgZNE
No Prawn Sandwich men here lads what a atmosphere what a club 8)
Huh. No shots of Mrs deiseach yet. Shame.
QuoteHow many times does "the best" team win any competition, especially one played in a knock-out format?
Are Italy the best international side in the world? Were Greece the best in Europe three years ago? Would Arsenal have been the best had they held on last year?
Liverpool have knocked out Chelsea and Barcelona. Had one of those gone on to win it, you probably wouldn't be making this complaint.
And let's say the competition returned to league champions-only entry. If United pip Chelsea for the league title by a point, suggesting two very closely matched teams, would it not be devaluing the competition to lose a team of the quality of Chelsea (or vice versa), thus giving a team from a weaker league an increased chance of winning it?
To use an example closer to home, Dublin had a relatively handy passage to the All Ireland semi-final last year. Say they had beaten Mayo (a mere two point swing) in the semi, and caught Kerry on the hop in the final. Would the All Ireland championship thus be deemed a devalued competition?
Fair enough, i just think that if you had the top 20 clubs in Europe competing in a 38 games season, that the title "champions of Europe" as a title could be much more justified and from what little i know, i doubt Liverpool would be contenders for such a title.
In most other sports, the cream tends to rise more in the premier competition be it due to the structure of the competition or the nature of the sport.
Pardon my ignorance, but would Premier League clubs prefer to win the champions league or the Premier League. .... innocent question for fear that the answer is obviously the latter
QuoteTo use an example closer to home, Dublin had a relatively handy passage to the All Ireland semi-final last year. Say they had beaten Mayo (a mere two point swing) in the semi, and caught Kerry on the hop in the final. Would the All Ireland championship thus be deemed a devalued competition?
Yes. In the 21st century you have to knock out Armagh to win a real all-Ireland.
However Liverpool have as much right to be in the final and win the competition as anyone else.
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Rafa gets some Yoga practice in during the penalties.
I was wondering why there was such a low turnout at training this evening - until I came home and saw the penalties. Why do they have to put on the Champions League mid-week when club training is on. The young lads will make any excuse not to go training.
Quote from: blast05 on May 02, 2007, 12:31:30 AM
QuoteHow many times does "the best" team win any competition, especially one played in a knock-out format?
Are Italy the best international side in the world? Were Greece the best in Europe three years ago? Would Arsenal have been the best had they held on last year?
Liverpool have knocked out Chelsea and Barcelona. Had one of those gone on to win it, you probably wouldn't be making this complaint.
And let's say the competition returned to league champions-only entry. If United pip Chelsea for the league title by a point, suggesting two very closely matched teams, would it not be devaluing the competition to lose a team of the quality of Chelsea (or vice versa), thus giving a team from a weaker league an increased chance of winning it?
To use an example closer to home, Dublin had a relatively handy passage to the All Ireland semi-final last year. Say they had beaten Mayo (a mere two point swing) in the semi, and caught Kerry on the hop in the final. Would the All Ireland championship thus be deemed a devalued competition?
Fair enough, i just think that if you had the top 20 clubs in Europe competing in a 38 games season, that the title "champions of Europe" as a title could be much more justified and from what little i know, i doubt Liverpool would be contenders for such a title.
In most other sports, the cream tends to rise more in the premier competition be it due to the structure of the competition or the nature of the sport.
Pardon my ignorance, but would Premier League clubs prefer to win the champions league or the Premier League. .... innocent question for fear that the answer is obviously the latter
The superleague thing will never happen. The Champions League evolved from the old Champions Cup to fill that gap and allow the top European clubs to play each other with more regularity.
Not sure I agree entirely about the other sports either. The big Americans sports have a post-season knock-out competition to find a champion. The so-called best team may not always win that. In golf, the majors are the biggest prizes, but you often get a relative unknown or a journeyman who hits form winning them. But it probably varies from sport to sport.
As to the question of whether clubs would prefer to win the premier league or the champions league, I think the two competitions are seen as the two major prizes that must both be won. Neither Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger or Jose Mourinho were/are satisfied with winning just the premier league. Ferguson has often spoken of his wish to win the champions league for a second time before he retires. Rafa may well add a second champions league this season, but if he doesn't build a team to challenge and win the premier league over the next few seasons, his will not be seen as a completely successful spell in charge. If he does win it in Athens, the longing for a premier league on the part of the fans and the club will probably just increase, as he will have proven to be a master of one competition, but not yet the other.
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I did warn Norf Tyrone but would he listen to me?
Nooooo. ;D
That has to be up there with some of Fearon's best Spurs threads.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 01, 2007, 11:55:19 PM
No sign of Syd tonight lads he must be on the porter :)
My heart is still racing i'll never get to sleep tonight
There wasnt a drop passed my lips, was training last night so missed the 1st half. I had a mate of mine who is a United fan on the phone while the penalty shootout was taking place, made it even more enjoyable. Dont know if the nerves will stick a final against that other shower. Hopefully Milan do the business tonight......
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Liverpool deserved to win last night but wasn't a great game for the nuetral to watch. Very disappointed in Chelsea's attempts at getting back in the game. Route One stuff the whole time. Agree re the penos and Dunphy called them perfectly.
It would be a great finale to the season if Utd get through tonight to face Liverpool and I'd have thought that all Liverpool anfd Utd fans would want it to happen. The only possible bigger final would be Real v Barca
One thing that struck me last night watching - how can Liverpool leave Anfield?
History, tradition, atmosphere. What a place.
Congratulations last night lads, a deserved victory.
How Mourinho can say that Chelsea were the best team with a straight face is beyond me especially as Kuyt hit the bar & had a goal ruled out.
Thought Chelsea were incredibly disappointing. Even after spending millions & millions they still launch the ball upfield at every opportunity-route one stuff a la Wimbledon or more recently Bolton, although Fat Sam did this at a fraction of the cost.
Mind you how is Zenden staying on that team? Granted he scored the penalty, but f**king hell he has no pace and his crossing is terrible. Although to be fair in 2005 when the Scousers won there was a few passengers (Djimi Djimi).
Roll on tonight and hopefully the dream final ;)
I'm with Syd - I really don't know if I'll be able watch a final against Man Yoo without being sick with nerves!
A terrible game of football which both teams were determined not to lose after the tie went to one each.
If 0-0 was worth three points, liverpool could win the league, but there is no other possible way for that to happen.
It must be difficult to have been a liverpool fan throught eighties and to now have to watch this current shite.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 02, 2007, 10:57:57 AM
2 Jose is on his way out of English football
Catch happen soon enough IMO
Quote from: An Lark on May 02, 2007, 10:15:53 AM
One thing that struck me last night watching - how can Liverpool leave Anfield?
History, tradition, atmosphere. What a place.
It will be very hard to leave Anfield behind and take nights like that to the new stadium but to be competitive in the future it has to be done.
The plus side is that the new stadium is literally a stones throw from Anfield, people will know the area, still go to the same pubs etc.
The club have been active in getting supporters views on the stadium and have stated that it will retain a single tier at one end i.e The Kop end. They have been in discussion with supporters groups to retain the atmosphere but in fairness Anfield can be like a lot of EPL grounds for league games, where the atmosphere is poor at a lot of games.
The Yanks are big into stadiums and rumour is that they are planning to scrap the current stadium design to make it bigger 70k plus. This will delay move for at least a year, as a whole new Transport plan would have to be put in place.
Also Gillet said that he wanted to watch the game from the Kop last night but wasn't allowed by security. It may have been big talk but he was known for it in the states apparently and instead he went to Derby Square in Liverpool yesterday when he heard that alot of supporters where meeting there. He happily chated to all who approached him and posed for pictures. An impressive talker by all accounts.
Couldn't imagine the Glazers been able to do this.
Quote from: Uladh on May 02, 2007, 10:36:03 AM
A terrible game of football which both teams were determined not to lose after the tie went to one each.
If 0-0 was worth three points, liverpool could win the league, but there is no other possible way for that to happen.
It must be difficult to have been a liverpool fan throught eighties and to now have to watch this current shite.
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Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 02, 2007, 10:57:57 AM
2 Jose is on his way out of English football
Catch happen soon enough IMO
Wonder would it be worth sticking a few quid on Alyardyce being next Chelsea boss?
Quote from: An Lark on May 02, 2007, 10:15:53 AM
One thing that struck me last night watching - how can Liverpool leave Anfield?
History, tradition, atmosphere. What a place.
Very same thing crossed my mind last night,But im sure the new stadium will be just as good as it's the fans that make it not the bricks and mortar
just a few delightful images flaoting about today
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QuoteCouldn't imagine the Glazers been able to do this.
no they wont, unlike like liverpool fans who seem to welcome becoming a US franchise, there are still a large and active group in Manchester who absolutely detest what has happend with the glazers. The glazers will never be able to walk about Manchester safely. They have to sneak in and out everytime, and its not very successful. They were attacked last week at the lowry hotel.
I dont not condone etc etc blah blah blah
Rick Parry Classic
"I guess when you've invested £500m it's a fantastic season to win the League Cup. He's welcome to his opinions, we care about Liverpool."
Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 02, 2007, 12:08:37 PM
QuoteCouldn't imagine the Glazers been able to do this.
no they wont, unlike like liverpool fans who seem to welcome becoming a US franchise, there are still a large and active group in Manchester who absolutely detest what has happend with the glazers. The glazers will never be able to walk about Manchester safely. They have to sneak in and out everytime, and its not very successful. They were attacked last week at the lowry hotel.
I dont not condone etc etc blah blah blah
That is what I meant, well aware of the dislike towards the Clazers at United, have a mate who is into the boycott and I fear mentioning their names round him.
I think the difference between the Liverpool and United fans view point on the US "franchise" (as you put it) is that Liverppol needed the investment, be it Thai, Dubai or Yankee, we needed the money for the stadium, players and to become more competitive in all areas (Marketing, Transfer etc). Liverpool had more to gain than to lose and the supporters porbably had alot of faith in David Moores and so trusted him when he said this was the best option. Soccer is a business and we were been run like a second hand car dealership.
United had everything - Stadium, Fanbase, transfer funds, marketing, global brand etc. They had nothing to gain from a takeover and more to lose. That prob is the reason for the hositility and I can see why a lot would be apprenhensive but due to Uniteds massive fanbase, it wouldn't affect the Glazers plans until the club slide on the pitch. No sign yet.
Would you agree with this been the reason between the Fans reactions to the US takeovers?
As a sie, is it true that there is actually a big rivalry between FC United and the United Fans (albeit the more "hardcore" element" that stayed loyal) and that they has been a few "disagreements" this season? Maybe its idle gossip.
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Here's my answer to that paticular picture ;D ;D
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Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 02, 2007, 12:08:37 PM
QuoteCouldn't imagine the Glazers been able to do this.
no they wont, unlike like liverpool fans who seem to welcome becoming a US franchise, there are still a large and active group in Manchester who absolutely detest what has happend with the glazers. The glazers will never be able to walk about Manchester safely. They have to sneak in and out everytime, and its not very successful. They were attacked last week at the lowry hotel.
I dont not condone etc etc blah blah blah
United had everything - Stadium, Fanbase, transfer funds, marketing, global brand etc. They had nothing to gain from a takeover and more to lose.
You say that as though there was a decison made somewhere to accept it. i assume you've heard of the free market economy they run over there?
also, no fan of any club, anywhere, has any say in who owns their club. this will always be dictated by the pound note and any group of fans who think they have some semblence of ownership of their club are deluding themselves
That was some abuse Carragher was giving Crouch last night. And Crouchie didnt take it lying down.
What was it all about besides "GET STUCK IN THERE CROUCHIE!!!!"
Ha Ha, you could not make this up.
Just heard on the radio that while reina was pulling off heroics last night, some of the lovable locals were pulling away in his porsche after removing several items from his house. Thats gratitude for you.
What is it about Liverpool players and having their cars pinched, wasnt so long ago someone helped themselves to Riises 4x4 thanks to the fishing rod through the letterbox trick.
Reina's house ransacked
The home of Liverpool goalkeeper Jose Reina was burgled last night while he played in last night's Champions League semi-final against Chelsea.
The Spaniard booked Liverpool's place in the final by saving two out of three penalties in a shoot-out.
He returned from the celebrations at 12.45am to find that his home in Woolton, Liverpool, had been ransacked.
Jewellery, a Bang and Olufsen entertainment system, personal documents and a grey Porsche Cayenne with Spanish number plates were taken.
The Porsche was found burnt out in the West Derby area of Liverpool at 6.30am, according to Merseyside Police.
Reina did not want to comment.
The burglary follows a trend of footballers' homes being targeted, often when they are playing matches.
The Merseyside home of Jerzy Dudek, Liverpool's goalkeeper from the 2005 Champions League final penalty shoot-out, was burgled in June 2006.
He was on holiday in Poland when thieves took his Porsche car, jewellery and football memorabilia, including his European Cup medal.
Daniel Agger, who scored for Liverpool last night, had his Wirral home burgled in September last year.
Reds striker Peter Crouch's house in Alderley Edge was targeted in the same month while he was on England duty.
Everton winger Andy van der Meyde was burgled twice last year, including one raid in which his pedigree puppy was taken.
Wayne Rooney also lost memorabilia, including his BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year trophy, when his parents' Liverpool home was burgled in July 2006.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 02, 2007, 01:18:35 PM
Ha Ha, you could not make this up.
Just heard on the radio that while reina was pulling off heroics last night, some of the lovable locals were pulling away in his porsche after removing several items from his house. Thats gratitude for you.
What is it about Liverpool players and having their cars pinched, wasnt so long ago someone helped themselves to Riises 4x4 thanks to the fishing rod through the letterbox trick.
Probably Everton fans ;)
Quote from: bingobus on May 02, 2007, 12:58:23 PM
That is what I meant, well aware of the dislike towards the Clazers at United, have a mate who is into the boycott and I fear mentioning their names round him.
I think the difference between the Liverpool and United fans view point on the US "franchise" (as you put it)
Its not me who puts it like that its the likes of the glazers and gillette, check their press releases, its their (American) terminology
Quote from: bingobus on May 02, 2007, 12:58:23 PM
As a sie, is it true that there is actually a big rivalry between FC United and the United Fans (albeit the more "hardcore" element" that stayed loyal) and that they has been a few "disagreements" this season? Maybe its idle gossip.
lets just say there have been a few heated discussions about the subject among the more "active element" of the support coupled with a few internet warriors mouthing or should i say typing off.
pm me your mates name, ill most likely know him.
Lads can anyone help me? need to find out time of Kick off in Athens because I fly back from Miami that day and i am sure it will be during the fecking game! :'(
I would imagine 7.45pm Carmen
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Quote from: Uladh on May 02, 2007, 01:06:08 PM
also, no fan of any club, anywhere, has any say in who owns their club. this will always be dictated by the pound note and any group of fans who think they have some semblence of ownership of their club are deluding themselves
AFC Wimbledon
FC United of Manchester
Barcelona
all owned by its members, all of who have a vote on how every aspect of the club should be run, either by voting on an issue directly or voting a representative who will best represent their view.
And there are others ....
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Good photo of the new owners in the directors box last night. Isn't that Martin Johnson and Ben Kay behind them?
Think I am flying at 2 >:( Got to get that changed maybe an excuse for an extra night in Miami ;D
Whats that on the chairmans scarf............ :D
What were West Ham thinking - sticking Masch on the bench for 6 months
They deserve to go down for that reason, and that reason alone
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 02, 2007, 02:10:45 PM
What were West Ham thinking - sticking Masch on the bench for 6 months
They deserve to go down for that reason, and that reason alone
Totally agree! what a steal he was :D Put in a mountain of work last night and his long passing was brilliant!!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 02, 2007, 01:40:49 PM
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Good photo of the new owners in the directors box last night. Isn't that Martin Johnson and Ben Kay behind them?
Thats the big b4stard alright
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 02, 2007, 03:12:04 PM
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I have to say seeing Rafa sitting like that before the penalty shootout made laugh and for a split second eased the gut wrenching that was taking place in me stomach
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 02, 2007, 02:10:45 PM
What were West Ham thinking - sticking Masch on the bench for 6 months
They deserve to go down for that reason, and that reason alone
Mascherano looked like a class act last night...Alonso deserved the chop big time...he hasnt contributed at all this season...If I was a Liverpool fan I'd defo be hoping Benitez sticks with Gerrard and Mascherano in the centre for the final...which he prob will after last night
laoislad where u gettin all these pics from?
Quote from: Stalin on May 02, 2007, 04:04:17 PM
laoislad where u gettin all these pics from?
A mixture of emails and some googling.I took today off to get my books and accounts in order,between watching highlights from last night and being on net im not getting much done :-[
Meant to comment on Drogba last night how he didn't get booked was unreal he was diving all over place
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I had hoped Milan would beat United as i couldn't bear losing to United in Final but watching this match so far im not so sure i want Milan anymore they are playing some football :-\
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 02, 2007, 09:16:05 PM
I had hoped Milan would beat United as i couldn't bear losing to United in Final but watching this match so far im not so sure i want Milan anymore they are playing some football :-\
benitez will make sure his team play a much more intensive game than utd have tonight, that will have a huge impact on the game.
Milan it is Bring it on!!!
fcuk milan did look very good tonight. their some team with one of the best records in europe and their due a win in the final. but theres always hope with rafa
milan didnt even have to be at their best to win tonight. utd were woeful. giggs and ronaldo especially
liverpool fans everywhere breathing a sigh of relief ;D
Not sure about that after seeing Milan :-[
Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 02, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
liverpool fans everywhere breathing a sigh of relief ;D
Why would we be? We've got to face the better team now in the final.
Playing United would have been too tense though.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 02, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
liverpool fans everywhere breathing a sigh of relief ;D
Yes, I'm sure you're grinning right now
How the serious stuff, who is going?
Very very tempted. Time against me though, off to Italy on Saturday for a week, so realistically need to get booked and sorted by Friday.
Abbey very pricey at 1999 but ticket included. First flight full, awaiting on 2nd.
Premier soccer promotions - 1299 two nights (Out Tuesday and back Thursday) No ticket included at this stage but may become available.
Whartons will now be doing a package as its not a Liverpool/United final. Details available tomorrow.
If anyboby else knows of any can you post them up. I have two mates who are booked on a there own flights via Budapest from Tuesday to Saturday for about 500 but they have no tickets and are taking chance that someone will produce two for them. I'd take this route if i thought I'd turn a ticket up.
Could be a busy day Thursday!!!
Not a chance. I have easy access to a ticket as my brother-in-law bought four tickets for every home match, one of which was on my fan card. But spending several hundred euro on a 60/40 against chance of victory seems like a horrible gamble, especially seeing as you don't have to be there to really enjoy it!
Quote from: deiseach on May 02, 2007, 11:00:09 PM
Not a chance. I have easy access to a ticket as my brother-in-law bought four tickets for every home match, one of which was on my fan card. But spending several hundred euro on a 60/40 against chance of victory seems like a horrible gamble, especially seeing as you don't have to be there to really enjoy it!
I suppose then that there is no chance of you giving me your ticket then ;) ;D
Had to ask!!!
anybody know of any travel agents doing a student rate? ;D
Rafa the new mystic Meg.
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=449416&CPID=5&clid=14&lid=&title=Rafa+eyes+Milan+repeat (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=449416&CPID=5&clid=14&lid=&title=Rafa+eyes+Milan+repeat)
Rafa Benitez believes Liverpool will meet Milan in this season's UEFA Champions League final.
The Spaniard has predicted that the two sides could contest the final in Athens in a repeat of the epic showpiece in 2005.
Liverpool face holders and favourties Barcelona in the last 16 and Benitez is confident his troops can cause an upset again like they did against Milan two years ago.
"I think the final will be Liverpool v Milan and that we will win again. It's sure," Benitez told Corriere dello Sport.
Liverpool face the daunting task of Barcelona this week and Benitez has hit out at critics who have ruled out his side's chances of progressing.
"In football there is nothing impossible," added Benitez. "We are ready to astonish you once again.
"Whoever sees us as victims is wrong. We were the same also against Milan in Istanbul's final and to those who see us already beaten by Barcelona, I suggest to see how that match ends."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUlTSUSnL4A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUlTSUSnL4A)
he's magic!
Apologies for not being on earlier to congratulate yous on your victory.
Disagree with TSO in that I thought Liverpool narrowly deserved it, however I agree in the fact that the effort taken to compete in so many competitions these days has a massive effect. The Blues have been running on empty the last few weeks, and this was reflected in the final third of the pitch where we had no ingenuity whatsoever until SWP came on. It was no surprise to that our best players IMHO were Mikel, and Makalele who haven't played that often this season, plus Essien...who is superb no matter what. Indeed we looked most threatening when Essien burst from defence especially in the 2nd half. Our worst players were easilly Lampard and Drogba who have played far too many games.
For Liverpool Carragher as usual was excellent, but I thought Mascherano was poorish, unlike most on here. He was good in the tackle but his passing was nearly our best creative outlet!
Good luck in Athens, but I believe AC will be hell bent on revenge. However I also thought that they'd hammer you in 05, as would Barce, Chelsea and company this year........
Liverpool stronger than in the past
Oliver Kay
Step into the players' lounge at Anfield and you will notice an enormous mural of Liverpool players celebrating their Champions League final triumph over AC Milan in Istanbul two years ago. To try to put names to all the squad is a difficult exercise, so unfamiliar are some of the faces, as is picking out the 19-year-old who hopped over a fence and joined the celebrations thanks to an official tracksuit "borrowed" from the vacated dugout.
Lee Dames, a semi-professional player with Vauxhall Motors, treasures the photographs of him among his victorious idols, but he is unlikely to have been alone in feeling like a gatecrasher. Liverpool supporters still joke that Djimi Traoré and Igor Biscan have won more European Cups than any Evertonian, but the same applies to Josémi and Antonio Nuñez, two Spanish imports who were among the substitutes.
And what of Salif Diao, Ritchie Partridge and Zak Whitbread — now with Stoke City, Rotherham United and Millwall respectively — who were not in the 18-man squad but also joined the marginally more obscure Dames in the post-match festivities?
Say what you like about this Liverpool team's chances in Athens on May 23, but Rafael Benítez knows they are stronger, far stronger, than the motley crew who somehow overcame Milan two years ago. Back then, in his first season in charge at Anfield, the Liverpool manager would start his team-selection plans with a core of four or five players and would often have to ask the likes of Traoré, Biscan and Nuñez to fill in around the edges. Now he can look forward to this season's final knowing that he has appealing options (he would say "possibilities") in just about every position, particularly central midfield, where the presence of Steven Gerrard, Xabi Alonso, Mohamed Sissoko and Javier Mascherano amounts to an embarrassment of riches.
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Milan v Liverpool: who has the advantage?
The 2005 final will be remembered as Jerzy Dudek's finest hour, as he made a stupendous save from Andriy Shevchenko late in extra time before denying Andrea Pirlo and, decisively, Shevchenko in the penalty shoot-out. Dudek joked afterwards that "I can retire now" and, in terms of his Liverpool career, he may as well have done as Benítez, not exactly the sentimental type, brought in José Manuel Reina to replace the likeable but inconsistent Pole.
Reina has had the odd erratic moment since his arrival from Villarreal, but he is a far more reliable goalkeeper than the jittery Dudek of 2005. And, as he proved against Chelsea in the semi-final, second leg on Tuesday and indeed in the FA Cup Final against West Ham United last May, he is no less adept in penalty shoot-outs.
Gradually, the team have begun to bear the Benítez hallmark. As Carlo Ancelotti, the Milan coach, said on Tuesday, "Liverpool are not as good as Manchester but they are harder physically". Might they also be harder mentally, at least when it comes to beating top-class opponents on the European stage? Their record in the Champions League under Benítez includes two-leg victories over Barcelona, Juventus and Chelsea (twice) and, for all that they lack the flair to win enough matches to challenge for the Barclays Premiership, their tactical nous in Europe — starting with Benítez but embraced on the pitch by Jamie Carragher, Alonso and Mascherano — appears unrivalled.
Deficiencies persist. Despite a rapid turnover of personnel in attack, Liverpool still lack a top-class striker, even if Benítez trusts Dirk Kuyt far more than he did Milan Baros. There also remains lack of quality from wide areas, which is one reason why Gerrard is likely to find himself consigned to the right wing. But where there is Gerrard, there is hope. Man for man, Liverpool may remain inferior to Milan, but the gulf in class is not half as wide as the one they bridged in Istanbul.
How Liverpool rates
José Manuel Reina A far more reliable goalkeeper than Jerzy Dudek looked two years ago and, like the Pole, is a penalty-saving expert 8
Steve Finnan Seemed one of the weak links in team who reached 2005 final, but has emerged as an integral part of the defence 7
Jamie Carragher Would not have begun to merit comparison to Alessandro Nesta three years ago, but has grown in stature 8
Daniel Agger Liability in first leg against Chelsea, but vastly improved on Tuesday, when he also scored all-important goal 7
Álvaro Arbeloa Likely to play at left back in Athens, even though he is right-footed. Jury is out 6
Steven Gerrard Can expect to be sent back out to right wing against AC Milan but will be desperate to repeat Istanbul heroics 8
Javier Mascherano A calamity at West Ham United, but a revelation at Anfield. Guile may secure place ahead of Mohamed Sissoko 7
Xabi Alonso Classy deep-lying playmaker in Andrea Pirlo mould but has not reached that level this season. Left out on Tuesday but likely to be involved from start against Milan 7
John Arne Riise Honest, committed, gives team balance and packs thunderous left-foot shot. But would not get close to Milan team 6
Dirk Kuyt Struggles against top-class defences and is yet to score in Champions League for Liverpool. Is a Rafael Benítez favourite because of workrate rather than flair 7
Craig Bellamy A likely selection because of pace, but struggling to convince Benítez in longer term 6
Total 77
Heighway: Rafa's plan for young Reds 'crazy'
Liverpool academy boss Steve Heighway has described Rafael Benitez's decision to assume control of the coaching of the club's up-and-coming players as "crazy".
Heighway oversaw the Reds' triumph in the FA Youth Cup final last week and announced after the second leg that he would be leaving the academy after 19 years.
He told The Times: "Rafa is a terrific manager, tactically astute with qualities I really admire, but in my view I'm the best coach of 17 and 18-year-old players in this club.
"But I no longer get the chance to do that. That's crazy, that's mad; it's to the detriment of the young players at this club."
During Heighway's time at the club players such as Michael Owen, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher have come through the ranks.
Former Liverpool striker Milan Baros has been banned for three games for pretending that an opponent smelled. (Daily Mirror) :D :D
Quote from: Declan on May 04, 2007, 08:45:11 AM
Heighway: Rafa's plan for young Reds 'crazy'
Liverpool academy boss Steve Heighway has described Rafael Benitez's decision to assume control of the coaching of the club's up-and-coming players as "crazy".
Heighway oversaw the Reds' triumph in the FA Youth Cup final last week and announced after the second leg that he would be leaving the academy after 19 years.
He told The Times: "Rafa is a terrific manager, tactically astute with qualities I really admire, but in my view I'm the best coach of 17 and 18-year-old players in this club.
"But I no longer get the chance to do that. That's crazy, that's mad; it's to the detriment of the young players at this club."
During Heighway's time at the club players such as Michael Owen, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher have come through the ranks.
Although Heighway has to be commended on our 2 recent youth cup wins, no player since Stevie G has been able to make the step up to the first team, which is disappointing considering the resources we have put into the academy.
On your other mans ratings of the team (although slightly bias) I would mark them as follows:
Reina 8, Finnan 8, Carra 9, Agger 8, Arbeloa 6, Gerrard 9, Mascherano 8, Alonso 8, Riise 7, Kuyt 7 & Bells 6. Total 84
We'll get to wear the Red kit in Athens as AC have chosen to where their white kit.
:)
Crouch must start in the final. Keep Bellamy for later on in the game to run at Milan's tired old legs. My team would be the same as second leg v Chelsea with the exception of Alonso replacing Zenden. However if there were to be any injuries or if Pennant remains out, i would go for midfeild of Gerrard, Alonso, Masch, Zenden.
Quote from: High Catch on May 04, 2007, 12:39:42 PM
However if there were to be any injuries or if Pennant remains out, i would go for midfeild of Gerrard, Alonso, Masch, Zenden.
At the risk of being tole to fcuk off, how can Liverpool honestly think of playing Zenden in the final?
He done rightly in the second leg. I would not have him in my first choice 11 for the final but if there were to be any injuries then Zenden would certainly be in with a shout.
Quote from: full back on May 04, 2007, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: High Catch on May 04, 2007, 12:39:42 PM
However if there were to be any injuries or if Pennant remains out, i would go for midfeild of Gerrard, Alonso, Masch, Zenden.
At the risk of being tole to fcuk off, how can Liverpool honestly think of playing Zenden in the final?
fcuk off ;)
Harry Kewell played 20 minutes in the mini derby and by all accounts is looking very lean. I'd expect him to start in his usual Cup final cameo role. Rafa plays Zenden to keep the ball, unlike Gonzalez. He was played agianst Chelsea to allow Riise playe LB and use his physicall presence to give Agger a hand with Drogba. I'd expect Riise to start LM nad Arbeloa slot back in at LB.
See Gerrard looking to end his career at Anfield. £120,000 a week. At least it would put an end to the annual transfer speculation. Altough i'm don't think he will ever have thoughts about joining Chelsea now ;)
Quote from: full back on May 04, 2007, 12:42:08 PM
Quote from: High Catch on May 04, 2007, 12:39:42 PM
However if there were to be any injuries or if Pennant remains out, i would go for midfeild of Gerrard, Alonso, Masch, Zenden.
At the risk of being tole to fcuk off, how can Liverpool honestly think of playing Zenden in the final?
I'm not a fan of Zenden but you can see the logic in him being picked.
Kewell and Aurelio are both injured. Both would play ahead of him.
Riise is having to play left-back as Arbeloa can do a good job at right-back but not so much at left-back.
Gonzalez hasn't shown enough yet to get picked for the big games. He might be better going forward than Zenden but there are big question marks over the defensive side of his game.
It's not like Zenden is first-choice there but he's being played to give a bit of balance to the side. Personally I'd probably move Riise up but then you have to decide who plays left-back.
In fairness to Zenden I though he played quite well against Chelsea at Anfield but I admit I'd prefer to see him on th bench in Athens.
Any sign of Rafa's lovechild being back for the game?
He's a big-game player
Quote from: High Catch on May 04, 2007, 12:51:37 PM
See Gerrard looking to end his career at Anfield. £120,000 a week. At least it would put an end to the annual transfer speculation. Altough i'm don't think he will ever have thoughts about joining Chelsea now ;)
Is he worth this much?
More fake Liverpool jersies
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2834/liverpooljt6.jpg)
QuoteGILLETT: NOTHING COMPARES TO ANFIELD
Jimmy Rice 03 May 2007
George Gillett believes nothing in world sport compares to what he experienced at Anfield on Tuesday night.
And while the American knew he was buying something special when he arrived on Merseyside earlier this year, he admits it has only this week dawned on him what it means to be part of Liverpool Football Club.
"What can I say after Tuesday night? It was magical," said Gillett.
"It was like attending the greatest sports event you ever go to on steroids. Nothing can compare to it.
"I couldn't have imagined when we bought the club the kinds of experiences we've already had. David Moores told me I had to understand what it was like and I would nod and say, 'Yes, we understand'.
"Really, neither I, Foster or the Hicks family could say we did. This is so much bigger and so much more important to so many people than we could ever have imagined.
"We walked around town on Tuesday to see some of the sights. There was a lot of singing going on, and I know this may shock a few people, but there was quite a lot of beer drinking. And I'm sure there was a lot after the game, too!"
Gillett again spoke of his desire to one day sit on The Kop – whether in its current form or in its new incarnation as the centerpiece of the club's new stadium.
"I wish I had been on The Kop on Tuesday, but I was concerned it would be a distraction. We've acknowledged the importance of The Kop already since we arrived and it's clear why the new stadium must be designed around it.
"We'll try to have as many seats in there as there used to be when it was originally a standing area. That's our ambition.
"That was once 24,000. We may not be able to get that many, but we'll certainly go beyond the 12,000 we have now."
On the subject of The Kop and its inhabitants, Gillett also made public his concern about ticket allocations for Athens.
He said: "What's on our minds more than anything now is the fans. This is all about them. I'm really interested in the statistics for the tickets to the finals.
"UEFA has taken over 20,000 tickets already, so it's going to be very difficult for everyone to get tickets.
"We have huge support and I'm really sorry for those fans who follow the club everywhere and won't be able to get tickets. It's a huge challenge for the organisers but a very difficult situation.
"Our aim now is to go on and win the Champions League, but there's one thing we can be absolutely certain of: the players and the fans will never quit.
"They'll give their all to win. They have a spirit unique to the north west of England, which you see on the pitch in Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard.
"I saw the banner on The Kop before the game which read, 'Not English but Scouse'. It sums it up.
"When you have that heart in the team and combine this with the energy and ability of those around them, it's quite a combination.
"I could not believe the passion of Dirk Kuyt on the pitch. He never stopped running and it was amazing to see."
The more I hear from this guy - the more I like him
So long Flo-Po
QuoteLiverpool striker Florent Sinama-Pongolle's loan spell at Recreativo Huelva has become a £2.7m permanent move.
Sinama-Pongolle, 22, has signed a contract until June 2011 with the Primera Liga club.
The France Under-21 international's loan, which began at the end of the season, contained an option to buy him.
He told Recreativo's website: "I'd like to thank the club and the fans for the affection they have shown me."
Sinama-Pongolle was bought by Liverpool from Le Havre in 2001 along with distant cousin Anthony Le Tallec, but both remained with the French club until 2003.
Neither were able to hold down a regular first-team place and Sinama-Pongolle spent the second half of last season out on loan at Blackburn.
Recreativo president Francisco Mendoza said: "Today is a very happy day for all those connected with Recreativo.
"We have waited for the moment of seeing Sinama as a member of the club.
"We have obtained him by putting in the most important financial push of this organisation in its 118-year history."
Will always remember him for scoring soon after coming on as a sub against Olympiakos it set us on the road for another great comeback and ultimately on to winning the Champions League 8)
I actually thought he was a decent little player certainly better than this Vororin player they are bringing in
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 04, 2007, 02:22:19 PM
More fake Liverpool jersies
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2834/liverpooljt6.jpg)
Were those jerseys you posted yesterday real?
these are all rumoured designs
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7361/liverpoolawaybr7.jpg)
Fowler after missing a sitter :( just before half time
0-0 half time v Fulham
Liverpool 0-1 Fulham 77mins
Harry Kewell on for Liverpool :o
All over 0-1 Fulham
Liverpool didn't look that bothered today,another reserve team out today apart from Alonso,Sissoko and Bellamy
Fowler had two great chances and good to see Kewell back because im for one am a fan of the Aussie and i think a fit Kewell is a great asset to the Pool
Regarding the Liverpool jerseys from a few pages back, I found this which substantiates one of the designs.....geez look at the Chelsea away effort :-(
http://www.soccer-tops.com/sections.htm?sid=4 (http://www.soccer-tops.com/sections.htm?sid=4)
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 05, 2007, 11:01:21 PM
Harry Kewell an asset? A depreciating asset >:(
That would be the same Harry who came off injured in Istanbul when we were 3-0 down, but was the first man to run onto the field when we won. Actually the fastest he had run all night.
In fairness we should give him the benifit of the doubt,he was injured,a fit Kewell is worth having in the squad IMHO
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 06, 2007, 10:51:21 AM
Harry bottled it in Istanbul, his injury got worse as the goals went in. He should go in the summer, in fact he should have gone a long time ago.
Really?
Check out when Kewell went off (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/4579949.stm)
Never liked Smicer myself.Was in Prague about five years ago and while sitting outside a pub i saw Baros,Smicer and Rosisky walking down the road towards us all dressed in their Czech tracksuits.
I went over to ask for a autograph and get the Liverpool jersery i was wearing signed.Baros and Rosisky couldn't have been nicer and we talked about the Irish team etc albeit in bad broken english from the two lads,But Smicer completly blanked me and my mates and only grunted when we went to shake his hand
I know these players are probably sick and tired of people coming up to them but in fairness to Baros and Rosisky they were two sound fellas and we had a good chat with them while Smicer was a ignornant little shite
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 06, 2007, 12:17:42 PM
Never liked Smicer myself.Was in Prague about five years ago and while sitting outside a pub i saw Baros,Smicer and Rosisky walking down the road towards us all dressed in their Czech tracksuits.
I went over to ask for a autograph and get the Liverpool jersery i was wearing signed.Baros and Rosisky couldn't have been nicer and we talked about the Irish team etc albeit in bad broken english from the two lads,But Smicer completly blanked me and my mates and only grunted when we went to shake his hand
I know these players are probably sick and tired of people coming up to them but in fairness to Baros and Rosisky they were two sound fellas and we had a good chat with them while Smicer was a ignornant little shite
I'd probably be inclined to let the guy off on the basis that supporters are a nuisance. But Vladi always made a big deal of playing for Liverpool, with jersey kissing that would make a Waterford hurler blush. So you're right, he was being a right cheeky bastard!
I see the mancs thread has started this discussion on possible transfer targets and i started to think about who Liverpool might consider buying
Are there any others bar the Eto's etc that we've already heard about?
Who would ye like?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 08, 2007, 03:56:23 PM
I see the mancs thread has started this discussion on possible transfer targets and i started to think about who Liverpool might consider buying
Are there any others bar the Eto's etc that we've already heard about?
Who would ye like?
The Champions to you Laoislad ;)
Yaddy ya ya ya >:(
also :'( :'( :'( :'(
That's a tough one.
My opinion this summer we should cut loose Garica, Bellemy, Fowler, Kewell and Hypia.
Granted we won't make a pile o these but should cut one hel of a lump outa the Wage bill.
Then we need to get in One established striker in the E'to Mould. And one other. I wouldn't might seeing Rafa putting in an offer on Teves (sp). I have been impressed by his form for WH.
Other than that, maybe an established left winger. Pennant has done alright on the right after a poor enough start. If he could start to get a bit of consistancy together he could be very useful.
Course we would need to get in a bit of cover for Carra and Agger if Hypia goes.
I'd go for one of the big guns in spain..Torres, Villa or E'to and then someone like Bent who is proven in the prem and will be looking for a move with the euro champs coming up. We need creativity big time in midfield, somene who can do something out of nothing e.g. Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho. Quaresma from portugal looks good but would he adapt to the prem?
How about someone lke Gamst Pedersen at Blackburn i think he is a fine player and a great striker of the ball
We need world-class players - Pedersen is not that
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 08, 2007, 08:11:50 PM
We need world-class players - Pedersen is not that
World class players don't always make a good team though,Real Madrid for example
I think you need a blend of world class and hard workers to make a good team.I think Pedersen is a decent player and has had a great season at Blackburn,anythime i have seen him play he's impressed me
Going to Have to get up at 2.45 in the morning again to watch it over here in Oz but thats the sacrifice you make
for the Pool. See that alex is doing his best to motivate the Liverpool players ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6637733.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6637733.stm)
QuoteFerguson backs Milan to beat Reds
Milan's semi-final victory over United impressed Ferguson
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson believes Liverpool have no chance of beating AC Milan in the Champions League final on 23 May.
Milan beat United in the semi-finals to set up a repeat of the 2005 final, which Liverpool won on penalties.
Ferguson told The Sun: "I'd bet for sure that Milan will win the Champions League. I'm absolutely certain of it.
"I told their manager Carlo Ancelotti at the end of our semi-final that there is no way he can not win it now."
Ferguson plans to toast Milan's victory with a bottle of wine given him by Ancelotti after his side had lost in Italy.
I'm still trying to analyse the factors involved but the truth remains we faced one of the best performances in the history of AC Milan
"Carlo gave me a magnificent bottle of wine," Ferguson added. "But I immediately told him I would only drink his win once I see him lifting the Champions Cup."
The United boss admits his team were outclassed in the second leg of their semi-final, which Milan won 3-0.
But Ferguson believes his side were tired from their efforts in the Premiership the previous weekend, which helped United regain the title for the first time since 2003.
"Milan's second-leg victory over us was stupendous, fantastic and extraordinary," Ferguson said.
"But I know we paid a high price for the Premiership fightback which we needed at Everton to turn a 2-0 scoreline into a 4-2 victory.
"Last week, Milan were fresher and better prepared tactically and physically.
"I'm still trying to analyse the factors involved. But the truth remains we faced one of the best performances in the history of AC Milan."
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 08, 2007, 08:14:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 08, 2007, 08:11:50 PM
We need world-class players - Pedersen is not that
I think Pedersen is a decent player and has had a great season at Blackburn,anythime i have seen him play he's impressed me
"A decent player"....high praise indeed. Pedersen is exactly the kind of player we need to avoid, we have had too many "decent"players over the last few years. We need players who are world class, Pedersen is not.
Syd, you should know by now that Benitez only signs players who put the team first and are grafters i.e Crouch who I believe ended up with the most assistes this season.
Benitez will pick the right players, don't expect a team of super individuals, he has his layou in his mind and he will follow it.
I seriously suggest that everyone reads A season on the Brink by Guillem Baluage(?). A great insight into Rafa's thinking.
Quote from: corn02 on May 09, 2007, 11:50:16 AM
I seriously suggest that everyone reads A season on the Brink by Guillem Baluage(?). A great insight into Rafa's thinking.
Do yo think he doesn't feel he has a squad capable of challenging for the title yet?
Quote from: corn02 on May 09, 2007, 11:50:16 AM
Syd, you should know by now that Benitez only signs players who put the team first and are grafters i.e Crouch who I believe ended up with the most assistes this season.
Benitez will pick the right players, don't expect a team of super individuals, he has his layou in his mind and he will follow it.
I seriously suggest that everyone reads A season on the Brink by Guillem Baluage(?). A great insight into Rafa's thinking.
There are plenty of world class players who work for the team, i think we need to get away from the calibre of player we have been getting in last few years if we want to win league, Pennant, Gonzalez etc.I have read "A Season On The Brink", a great read and boy is he thorough!
He is a smart man Uladh and I am sure he knows the squad is most defientely well off Premiership champions standard. However United won the league this season with a poor squad and I suppose that mirrors Liverpool in Europe.
For Liverpool to be challengers alot of changes will have to be made, how would you rate their current squad Uladh (P.S are you for game tonight?)
i think liverpool's squad players (outside the starting 11) are far too mediocre. united got lucky early in the season with injuries but it caught up in the end. the same players played every week, twice a week and got results in the league and in europe but as a result ther legs were gone a month ago. when rafa rotates his squad players in, they are achieving mostly draws or losses in the league. a tip top squad will be able to absorb 5/6 changes and still go to places like bolton, everton, etc and get three points. for anyone outside of chelsea, it is not possible to challenge for a league as competitive as the epl and europe successfully similtaneously (without a huge slice of luck). for the forseeable future, united will challenge for the title and the champions league will be a nice bonus if it happens. unless liverpool spend major bucks (the currency of choice) in the summer, they too will have to prioritise again. rafa set out his stall at xmas to go as far as he could in the cl as the title was already beyond him.
If i can bluff off training later i'll get up to the game. can't see yous living with cross at the minute though
No but should be a good game.
Couldn't agree more regarding Lyour analysis of Liverpool by the way.
Fowler is gone - so long Robbie - legend
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6646921.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6646921.stm)
At least this time he gets to make a graceful exit. Obviously not the player he was, but I'd still prefer a fit Fowler to any of the other strikers we have.
Cheers 'God'.
I'm with Az- underutilized this year IMHO, thought we would have seen a lot more and we probably should have in the premiership. Sunderland?
Any thoughts on whether he'll see a bit of Champions league action- still the most natural goal scorer in our panel by a long long way
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=466027&CPID=8&clid=14&lid=4161&title=Liverpool+close+to+Lucas+deal
Another centre-midfielder on the way - who makes room for him?
Stevie Gerrard.......
taking the positives from fowler leaving,though a legend best days gone.means that with him leaving and probably bellamy,that we will get a least one top striker during summer
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 11, 2007, 06:24:38 PM
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=466027&CPID=8&clid=14&lid=4161&title=Liverpool+close+to+Lucas+deal
Another centre-midfielder on the way - who makes room for him?
Probably one for the future he's only 20
Fowler was and always will be my Favourite Liverpool player God your a living legend!! :'(
hope he comes to the states might get to see him before he retires!
Fowler was a legend what a player
John Aldridge is my all time favourite with Fowler a close second
My All Time Liverpool favourite players
1) King Kenny
2) Alan Hanson
3) Ian Rush
4) Robbie Fowler
5) Ronnie Whelan
6) Graeme Souness
7) Jamie Carragher
8) Jan Molby
9) Ray Clemence
10) Steven Gerrard
It would be great if Robbie could get a CL winners medal after missing out in 2005. Maybe he'll come on as a sub and score the winner deep in injury time of extra time! What a way to go!!!! ;D
Did Syd get the ax from the forum?
My favourite players:
Kenny Dalglish
Ian Rush
Peter Beardsley
John Barnes (although he was a lazy bollox)
Jan Molby
Robbie Fowler
Steve McMahon
John Aldridge
Alan Hansen
Steven Gerrard
My favourite Liverpool players
Robbie Fowler
King Kenny
Jamie Carragher
Aldo
Steve Mc Mahon
Jan Molby
Ronnie Whelen
Craig Johnston (for his hair alone)
Sammy Lee (for you loaislad ;))
Ray Houghton
oh and Razor Ruddock
Ian Rush - #1
Jan Molby :D :D :D :D - reminds me of me
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 11, 2007, 10:07:53 PM
Jan Molby (we have a lot in common)
You have a Scouse accent?
Barnes - (87-90) he was almost unplayable, who gave a shit if he never did it for England....
Rush
Beardsley
Rob Jones
Fowler
Aldridge
Molby
Mc Mahon
Craig Johnston (just for the perm)
Souness
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 11, 2007, 10:03:35 PM
Newcastle Chairman, Freddie Shepherd has offered to carry Michael Owen back to Anfield for £9 million.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWx5RK1G9c0
:D :D :D pity he didnt finish what he was going to say about the agent :D
Before that video motivates any of you to check out Koptalk, please go here (http://koptalkinsider.wordpress.com/). Thanks.
Anyone any views on the Brazilian Liverpool are close to signing, he is described as a "holding midfielder", i would have thought its a bit more creativity we need.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 12, 2007, 07:29:48 PM
Just what we need, another midfielder. NOT
We need at least two world class strikers, a couple of wingers and some cover at the back, not more midfielders.
Hopefully the strikers etc will be in addition to the Brazilian. This summers transfer market is a chance for the new owners to make a statement of intent with the quality of player we chase.....
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 12, 2007, 07:29:48 PM
Just what we need, another midfielder. NOT
We need at least two world class strikers, a couple of wingers and some cover at the back, not more midfielders.
At least five players? Bloody hell, we're poor - or, as Ray Houghton would say, pewer.
Should be a good send of for Robbie today!!
FFS, Liverpool win a last-minute penalty on front of the Kop, 30 seconds after Fowler goes off! :-[
Kewell scores, to make it 2-2, for what its worth...
Quote from: J70 on May 13, 2007, 04:50:59 PM
FFS, Liverpool win a last-minute penalty on front of the Kop, 30 seconds after Fowler goes off! :-[
Kewell scores, to make it 2-2, for what its worth...
Hopefully Fowler will save a penalty for the penalty shoot out in Athens........
Looking at the favourite players, what would be your best eleven, and it has to be players you saw playing.
Brucie, he may have been a bad boy, but on his day he was something else.
Stevie Nicol, Mr Consistency, and Mr versitile
Jamie Carragher, Red true and true and not a bad player
Hansen, it is a pity he has become such a bore on the TV as he was sublime on the pitch
Phil Neale, a rock
Stevie Gerard, behind all the media shit, he is a damn fine player
Souness, boss on the pitch, poor boss off the pitch
Jan the Man, like myself, never the fittest, unlike me the skills of a master
Digger, will always remember him not just for his football but for the Anfield Rap and an appearance on A Question of Sport which provided me and my friends years of enjoyment.
King Kenny, as the name states simply the best.
Rushie, not just a supreme goal scorer but also the best defender Liverpool had for years.
didn't see any of todays game and was only aware of the scores thru text alerts.How did Kewell play? I have a sneaky feeling he'll be playing in Athens
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 13, 2007, 07:56:59 PM
How did Kewell play? I have a sneaky feeling he'll be playing in Athens
I will be praying every day that he does not. A waste of space.
kewell crossed for the goal and scored a pen thats all i know.that keeper,hope he had a good look at anfield he wont be back you or i could have done better for bents goal.kewell fit and in leeds form definately an asset only time will tell if he can reproduce it would give him a chance next year anyway.better option than zenden,gonzalez,aurelio imo
Quote from: charlie stubbs on May 13, 2007, 09:55:59 PM
kewell crossed for the goal and scored a pen thats all i know.that keeper,hope he had a good look at anfield he wont be back you or i could have done better for bents goal.kewell fit and in leeds form definately an asset only time will tell if he can reproduce it would give him a chance next year anyway.better option than zenden,gonzalez,aurelio imo
Kewell will never be in Leeds form again, even when people were conviced he had recovered that form i never thought he had. He is lazy and his best years are behind him IMHO.
QuoteHe is lazy and his best years are behind him IMHO.
Sounds like you ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 13, 2007, 10:03:00 PM
QuoteHe is lazy and his best years are behind him IMHO.
Sounds like you ;D
Not likely Anthony.
Kewell did well when he came on today. Set up Alonzo's goal, and was very unlucky with a shot that hit the bar shortly after. It will be interesting to see if he starts in Athens.
Funny picture of him and Crouch here from the official site (reminds me a bit of George Kennedy and the guy who played "Al" in the Naked Gun!):
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images5/130507_npx_cafc_h_hk_379_1.jpg)
took fowler of 2 minutes too early...
unlucky for robbie indeed. kewell looked in good form and lean when he came on, deserves a chance in athens or that shot that hit the bar alone! ;D
padelli looks absolutely duff
Quote from: heganboy on May 14, 2007, 12:45:13 AM
took fowler of 2 minutes too early...
Im sure Rafa just wanted Robbie to have the standing ovation that he got and deserved,I personally think Fowler wasn't used enough and should have stayed another year,I've watched a bit of this Voronin fella in the German League and he looks awful IMHO
Kewell looks considerably fitter than he did before his injury. He's lost the double chin and the ponytail which is a good start anyway.
If he had a little more game-time under his belt I'd be tempted to start him ahead of Zenden for the final.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 14, 2007, 12:22:18 PM
Kewell looks considerably fitter than he did before his injury. He's lost the double chin and the ponytail which is a good start anyway.
If he had a little more game-time under his belt I'd be tempted to start him ahead of Zenden for the final.
lol that ponytail didhim no favours
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 14, 2007, 09:09:23 AM
Quote from: heganboy on May 14, 2007, 12:45:13 AM
took fowler of 2 minutes too early...
Im sure Rafa just wanted Robbie to have the standing ovation that he got and deserved,I personally think Fowler wasn't used enough and should have stayed another year,I've watched a bit of this Voronin fella in the German League and he looks awful IMHO
I forgot about him!
I was kinda hoping Rafa had aswell.
A piece from Tim Vickery, of BBC Sport, about Liverpool's proposed new signing, Lucas Leiva:
----
"These moves are always a gamble, but I think this is a good one.
He's an exciting player of a type that Brazilian football hasn't produced too many of recently. Of late their central midfielders have tended to be 'holders' who sit and allow the full-backs to push forward.
Lucas is different. He's a big, blonde figure whose power and physical strength comes with attacking ability.
He can pass well and loves to rumble forward. He gets on the scoresheet both with blistering shots from range and from bursting beyond the strikers.
You can certainly imagine him playing alongside Javier Mascherano, for example.
I don't have the same fears for him as I did with Paletta. He's had two full seasons behind him - one helping Gremio win promotion from the second division, and then last year's success when he was chosen as the player of the championship.
In a perfect world you might want him to stay another year before moving on, but (a) Gremio need to sell to balance the books and (b) with Liverpool's strength in depth in central midfield it looks as if his first campaign will be a bedding in season. "
So we'll have Sissoko Alonso Mascherano Gerrard and this new fella all fighting for two places I wonder is someone on their way out?
My guess would be Alonso
Think it might be Alonso myself! Someone definetly going! What would they get for him?
I'd guess Sissoko is on his way- Maschareno is his replacement. If we get the new Brazilian then he'll take a while to get into the first team I'd say Alonso has a while there just yet.
Fowler to Sunderland?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 14, 2007, 05:26:13 PM
Think it might be Alonso myself! Someone definetly going! What would they get for him?
Couldn't be anything less than 10million could it?
Alonso is a great player but the alarms bells starting ringing for me anyway when he was left out of Chelsea game,Im doubtfull he will start Champions League Final either
My Team for Champions League Final
Renia
Finnan Carra Agger Riise
Pennant Gerrard Mascherano Kewell
Crouch Kuyt
would agree with your selection laoislad.hink pennant deserves a start the way he has played the last two months.kewell is a big call but he has a better chance of beating a man than zenden and dont want arbeloa at left back with riise in midfield.worry would be kaka and if gerrard pushed on isolating mascherano.however, think milans weakness at the back so 2 upfront and gerrard in the middle can help us get at them!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 13, 2007, 07:56:23 PM
Looking at the favourite players, what would be your best eleven, and it has to be players you saw playing.Brucie, he may have been a bad boy, but on his day he was something else.
Stevie Nicol, Mr Consistency, and Mr versitile
Jamie Carragher, Red true and true and not a bad player
Hansen, it is a pity he has become such a bore on the TV as he was sublime on the pitch
Phil Neale, a rock
Stevie Gerard, behind all the media shit, he is a damn fine player
Souness, boss on the pitch, poor boss off the pitch
Jan the Man, like myself, never the fittest, unlike me the skills of a master
Digger, will always remember him not just for his football but for the Anfield Rap and an appearance on A Question of Sport which provided me and my friends years of enjoyment.
King Kenny, as the name states simply the best.
Rushie, not just a supreme goal scorer but also the best defender Liverpool had for years.
Do you mean saw playing live or just seen playing on telly?
If you mean best seen playing live in the flesh then this is my best XI
Renia
Finnan Carra Hyypia Staunton
McManaman Gerrard Whelan Houghton
Fowler Aldridge
How about worst Liverpool team you could assemble?
Here's my version
Pegguy Arphexad
Bjørn Tore Kvarme Julian Dicks Phill Babb Djimi Traore
Antonio Nunez Bruno Cheyrou Igor Biscan El Hadji Diouf
Sean Dundee Erik Meijer
Subs
Paul Stewart
Pelligrino
Kromkamp
Rigobert Song
Abel Xavier
Christian Ziege
Torben Piechnik
Salif Diao
Matt Busby ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 14, 2007, 05:39:40 PM
My Team for Champions League Final
Renia
Finnan Carra Agger Riise
Pennant Gerrard Mascherano Kewell
Crouch Kuyt
I'd bring in Alonso for Pennant and move Gerrard out to the right.
So ya would play Kewell J70?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 14, 2007, 10:54:22 PM
So ya would play Kewell J70?
Yes. If fit and in form (a big if, obviously), he's our best option on the left.
Watching MOTD last night i couldn't get over how lean and fit he looked,There is no doubting his skill level it's his commitment i wonder about
But i would start him ahead of Gonzalez or Zenden too
Lot of talk on soccer forums about Robbie Fowler heading north, with Celtic and Rangers both said to have expressed an interest, any truth do you think? Did he not state a half allegiance to the Blue half of Glasgow many moons ago?
Quote from: J70 on May 14, 2007, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 14, 2007, 05:39:40 PM
My Team for Champions League Final
Renia
Finnan Carra Agger Riise
Pennant Gerrard Mascherano Kewell
Crouch Kuyt
I'd bring in Alonso for Pennant and move Gerrard out to the right.
I'd go with that as well. Milan would over run us in the midfield with Gerrard and Mascherano basically up against Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini, Seedorf and even Kaka (who as we know drops deep). It would be harsh on Pennant though who has been top notch in recent months. I'd save Bellamy for the last half hour (if we need him) to run against Milan's aging defence. Shite me heart rate is up just thinking about this :o
Reina
Finnan Carragher Agger Riise
Gerrard Alonso Mascherano Zenden
Bellamy Kuyt
I would play Bellamy in the wide positions with Kuyt up-front by himself. Crouch would offer very little threat against a physically strong Milan defence; Bellamy has the potential to test their dubious mobility. The above team would certainly pack the midfield, but this is where Milan can overrun Liverpool, as they did to United, so I feel this is necessary. I think a team with both Pennant and Kewell, while offering a lot more from an attacking point of view, would leave itself horrendously open to the Milan creative engine.
Luis Garcia was back training today.
Miraculous recoveries all round. ;D
that's it - we've it as good as won
Lil Luis :D :D :D
lads i have been trying to get tickets for athens since the semi and like most no luck even though i have been lucky enough in the past to get tickets for european and fa cup matches in the past through work but on this occasion no joy so instead i and a few mates have booked flights to liverpool to soak up the atmoshpere and have a few drinks,any suggestions where the best place over there to watch the match?was there a big screen in concert square 2 years ago?
No outdoor big screens anywhere in the city after trouble at the England world cup match screening. The Olympia have laid on the concert hall for a 1000 seater showing but I think its nearly sold out.
Concert square will have no outdoor seating on the night and will be shown in the pubs only that are aound the square. A lot of pubs are expected to close doors early due to capacity restrictions and are also expected to have a cover charge. So get in early. Concert square was scene of mad celebrations last time and that why they have cleared it this time to avoid the repeat of the damge caused to the furniture which was almost entirely wrecked.
Garcia can not feature, Macherano has his place and Luis is not registered.
Found this on the liverpool echo website, im going over to liverpool myself for the game, might hit aldos place its a god spot.
City Big Screen ban for matchMay 15 2007
by Luke Traynor, Liverpool Echo
PUBS and bars in Liverpool are gearing up for their biggest night of the year as they prepare to screen the Champions League final.
Thousands of people are expected to cram into the city centre on May 23 to recreate the famous Anfield atmosphere.
But all viewing will be indoors after outdoor screens were ruled out by city officials.
Violence erupted in Clayton Square last year at a World Cup game, while Reds fans caused £40,000 damage in Concert Square after the Istanbul win.
Police and Capital of Culture Company officials are anxious to avoid a repeat.
Clayton Square's TV will remain off and no other outdoor viewing points set up. Chairs, tables and canopies will be cleared from Concert Square .
Joe Curran, licensing co-ordinator for Liverpool Chamber of Commerce, said: "The risk of showing football on outdoor screens is far too high."
The 1,000-plus capacity Olympia, in West Derby Road, is hoping to create an Athens-style Kop. Fans are encouraged to bring their homemade banners.
Where the action is
The Newz Bar in Water Street has a capacity of 550, but its 30 private booths and upstairs floor have already sold out. The downstairs floor is open to all.
Aldo's Bar, Victoria Street, owned by former Reds striker John Aldridge, will link up to owner John Aldridge, co-commenting for Radio City.
The Sandon, in Oakfield Road, Anfield, will hold up to 1,000 punters for a Athens/Liverpool party with staff in traditional Greek costume.
Andersons in Exchange Street East is selling tickets for £30 for a free bar event while showing the football.
Pan American Club and Blue Bar, at the Albert Dock, are hosting Greek-styled menus before the game.
thanks lads,i might give aldo's a go, was in there before.angels doent have a screen by any chance? :D
ZENDEN FACING FINAL FITNESS FIGHT
Paul Eaton 18 May 2007
Bolo Zenden's dreams of figuring in the Champions League final could be shattered after he picked up an ankle injury in training this week.
The Dutch midfielder was in contention for a starting place on the left side of the Reds' midfield, but manager Rafael Benitez has revealed it's now touch and go whether he'll be fit for the clash with AC Milan.
"Bolo injured his ankle in training yesterday," said Benitez today. "He's been treated by the doctor and the good news is the swelling is not that bad. We will need to see how it is after more checks today.
"It will be difficult to say he will be fit for the final now, but I wont say no yet.
"He is strong and determined and it may recover quickly. I still hope he will be okay.
"It will be a big disappointment for him and for us if it's not possible. Bolo can bring character, experience and tactical knowledge to the team.
"He is one of the good options for the left side, but now we must see how he recovers and decide what to do."
It may mean Harry Kewell sarting but he could be no worse than the bold Bolo.
On hearing this news, William Hill has slashed the odds on Liverpool lifting the cup
Even though i dont rate Bolo, I would rather see him start on the left hand side and then bring Kewell on for the last 30. Bolo has a half decent defensive side to his game, and his work rate is higher than Kewells.
Quote from: stiffler on May 18, 2007, 12:56:47 PM
Bolo has a half decent defensive side to his game, and his work rate is higher than Kewells.
Paris Hilton has a higher workrate than the boul Harry.....
Since when does playing half a game against an already relegated Charlton count for anything? Jeez lads some of yis have short memories. Harry has been mediocre to shíte throughout his Liverpool career. Still though probably a better option than the useless Bolo and the unproven Gonzalez. However, none of those mentioned should start on the left v Milan. It should be either Riise with Arbeloa behind him or Gerrard to accomadate a midfield of Pennant-Masch-Alonso-Gerrard. Kewell then can come on a sub - no chance Rafa will risk starting him.
Hound I don't disagree with you there. I just know how Rafa thinks and he is likely to play Kewell. I would rather him than Zenden, but would more prefer Riise in front of Arbeloa if they play 4-4-2.
It really depends on how Rafa sees the game panning out. He probably will feel that the likes of Pennant and Bellamy would be better coming off the bench for the last 20 to run at a tiring defence. Bellamy on for Crouch and Pennant on for Riise with Gerard going wide on left.
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2007, 01:29:31 PM
Since when does playing half a game against an already relegated Charlton count for anything? Jeez lads some of yis have short memories. Harry has been mediocre to shíte throughout his Liverpool career. Still though probably a better option than the useless Bolo and the unproven Gonzalez. However, none of those mentioned should start on the left v Milan. It should be either Riise with Arbeloa behind him or Gerrard to accomadate a midfield of Pennant-Masch-Alonso-Gerrard. Kewell then can come on a sub - no chance Rafa will risk starting him.
Kewell played well last season. True enough, he was poor or injured before that, but I think the consideration of him as a starting option is probably more to do with the paucity of any other decent left-side options than with any certainty that he will be able to play at the level he has shown in the past.
What do yis reckon about Gonzales? He seems destined to leave this summer. All that shite over his visa and after a poor season he's away. Bit disappointing, I would give him one more season to try and find his feet. His pace alone is frightening
Quote from: gawa316 on May 18, 2007, 02:53:26 PM
What do yis reckon about Gonzales? He seems destined to leave this summer. All that shite over his visa and after a poor season he's away. Bit disappointing, I would give him one more season to try and find his feet. His pace alone is frightening
Dunno whether he's any good or not. But I do know its unreasonable to expect a South American who's been playing in La Liga to be an instant hit in his first season in English football. Imagine the success Arsenal would have thrown away had they got rid of Bergkamp, Henry and Pires after their first season - which was poor in all three cases.
J70, if you believe Kewell "played well" last season, then your standards are lower than mine. Only in tiny glimpses has he shown the form he had regularly with Leeds. But I recognise his talent, and would have no problem with him appearing as a sub in Athens.
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9804/spartansjr3.jpg)
Mark Gonzalez is hoping to stay at Liverpool next season, but he concedes he could be shipped out by Rafa Benitez.
The winger has had a fitful debut season in the Premiership and has yet to truly convince on the left-hand side of midfield.
The former Albacete ace has been linked with a return to Spain, with rumours suggesting he could be used as a makeweight in a deal for Real Zaragoza defender Gabriel Milito.
Gonzalez accepts he has not enjoyed a productive season at Anfield and is waiting to learn if he figures in Benitez's plans for next term.
"I have a three-year contract, but you never know what might happen," Gonzalez told the Liverpool Echo.
"This is football and if I have to go somewhere else then I will have to deal with that.
"But at the moment I'm here and I'm very focused for the final and what happens in the future will come.
"If I have to go then I will go, but I will arrive there with confidence because I have been at Liverpool and I must have been there for something.
"I would like to stay at Liverpool next season and beyond. But it has not been the best year for me and I know I can do more."
Courtesy of skysports. If we get a better player in return in Milito it would be good business.
I feel sorry for him in many ways. He does seem to have ability but lacks confidence/cuteness to make the final cut. Another year may bring him on but he may suit the better weather in Spain so leave go is my view.
Good man 5Times, was it in todays second ballot by any chance?
Quote from: Hound on May 18, 2007, 01:29:31 PM
Since when does playing half a game against an already relegated Charlton count for anything? Jeez lads some of yis have short memories. Harry has been mediocre to shíte throughout his Liverpool career. Still though probably a better option than the useless Bolo and the unproven Gonzalez. However, none of those mentioned should start on the left v Milan. It should be either Riise with Arbeloa behind him or Gerrard to accomadate a midfield of Pennant-Masch-Alonso-Gerrard. Kewell then can come on a sub - no chance Rafa will risk starting him.
Don't rate Arbeloa at all i think he was found out against Chelsea in Stamford Bridge also against Portsmouth the following weekend.I would have Riise left back and i would start Kewell on the left wing no problem at all
Well done 5ive times on getting a ticket i officially hate you now :D
dont worry the real laoislad you can come with me to liverpool and watch it in angels
I'll be watching it with the Toronto LFC supporters group
I'll have to listen to Tommy Smyth though
My little sister is getting married next day which means i'll be down in Laois for it so im gonna go to a mates house as i'll get no peace or god forbid still her thunder while celebrating Liverpool being crowned Champions of Europe
Congratulations to Chelsea on winning the Champions League 3rd place playoff.
Another example of how Scholes in his prime is alot better than Ronaldo in his prime, the occasion always gets the better of Ronaldo.
Quote from: corn02 on May 19, 2007, 05:52:08 PM
Another example of how Scholes in his prime is alot better than Ronaldo in his prime, the occasion always gets the better of Ronaldo.
Ronaldo is the same as the Portugese national team, play some lovely stuff but when hardy comes to hardy they shit in the nest.......
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 18, 2007, 07:55:24 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 18, 2007, 03:49:43 PM
Good man 5Times, was it in todays second ballot by any chance?
Actually got the ticket from a Car Dealer in the midlands (UK).
Laoislad you should have a word with your sister, imagine organising a wedding on the day of the CL Final and while you are at it ring Bertie and get him to put the election back by a week, not only do I not get to vote, but I`ll miss the results as well.
If you keep me updated on how the election is going I`ll get you a programme.
Actually any chance you would get me a programme? I would appreciate it
Now that the warm-up is out of the way we can await the main event on Wednesday. ;D
A bit of music to get ready.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCYpwo5QgWc&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCYpwo5QgWc&mode=related&search=)
hope u dirty scousers get stuffed on wed night.by the way thats the 3rd place cup the scoousers won last yr
Quote from: oakleaf stateside on May 20, 2007, 03:30:59 AM
hope u dirty scousers get stuffed on wed night.by the way thats the 3rd place cup the scoousers won last yr
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 20, 2007, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 19, 2007, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 18, 2007, 07:55:24 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 18, 2007, 03:49:43 PM
Good man 5Times, was it in todays second ballot by any chance?
Actually got the ticket from a Car Dealer in the midlands (UK).
Laoislad you should have a word with your sister, imagine organising a wedding on the day of the CL Final and while you are at it ring Bertie and get him to put the election back by a week, not only do I not get to vote, but I`ll miss the results as well.
If you keep me updated on how the election is going I`ll get you a programme.
Actually any chance you would get me a programme? I would appreciate it
No bother Laoislad
Good man 5ive Times thanks
Flags and banners for Athens. Some crackers there.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N155991070521-0854.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N155991070521-0854.htm)
It's doing the rounds now that Juventus are looking for Alonso and Sissoko and Obi Martins of Newcastle
apparantly in the papers today rafa going for big clearout in the summer targets include etoo,torres,bent,milito and alves! ;D
I had a dream last nite that Sissoko moved to Spurs and Alonso went to Juve, hope it doesnt become true!
I'd like to take this opportunity to wish AC Milan the very best of luck in the final tomorrow night.
Lightening can't strike twice...
Quote from: Uladh on May 22, 2007, 11:42:50 AM
Lightening can't strike twice...
Oh it can... just not in the same place! But we're in Athens this time around, so Liverpool should be fine ;D
rafa rafael
rafa rafael
rafa rafael benitez
YNWA
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How you getting on 5times, whats the craic like? How much are the touts charging?
Quote from: Uladh on May 22, 2007, 11:42:50 AM
I'd like to take this opportunity to wish AC Milan the very best of luck in the final tomorrow night.
Lightening can't strike twice...
They didnt need much luck in beating that shower of wankers in the previous round.....
Woh Syd watch your language now!
Or you'll have to come back as Sailor next time ;)
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 22, 2007, 10:18:52 PM
Woh Syd watch your language now!
Or you'll have to come back as Sailor next time ;)
:D :D :D :D
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Hicks the cereal buyer enjoys Anfield honeymoon
The Anfield owner is hoping for better results than those achieved at Texas Rangers, writes Lawrence Donegan
Tuesday May 22, 2007
The Guardian
Even billionaires have bad days. The rain is falling, the stands at the Ameriquest Field at Arlington are half-empty and the Texas Rangers - the Leeds United of baseball's American League West - are sliding to a miserable defeat against the Los Angeles Angels. "I've had the best success and I've had the lowest success," says Tom Hicks, glumly reflecting on the team's fortunes since he bought it in 1998 from a group of investors headed by his friend, George W Bush.
Baseball pedants, or even pedants of the ordinary variety, would argue this assessment is putting an overly positive gloss on Hicks' tenure as the Rangers' owner. The last time the team made the play-offs was 1999. Since then they have not finished higher than third (out of four teams) in their division. The highlight, or rather lowlight, of the last eight years was the infamous $250m (£127m) contract - the richest in American sports - given to Alex Rodriguez, who singularly failed to lift the team out of the mire and quickly departed to the New York Yankees.
The Rangers are currently in last place and, barring a reversal of fortune straight from the script of a Ron Sheldon movie, they will not win the world series this year. All in all it is little wonder the big Texan looks pleased when the subject changes to the newest acquisition in a business empire that stretches from electronics in China to the pet food business in Argentina: Liverpool FC.
Two months ago Hicks and the Montreal-based businessman George Gillett bought the club from David Moores. The price was £178m, plus a hundred million or so to clear off the club's debts and pay the fees associated with the deal. In return the pair bought one of the most storied teams in the global game and a share in the Premiership's financial bonanza.
As a bonus they also received that most elusive of sporting windfalls: instant success. Tomorrow night the two men will be in Athens to watch Liverpool take on Milan in the Champions League final. "I feel kind of guilty about it all. It's like buying a baseball team a month before they go to the World Series. I feel guilty. I had nothing to do with any of it but I'm going to enjoy it," says Hicks, who will be taking his family to the game. "I couldn't think of a better honeymoon for new owners than for the club to win the cup. It would be the perfect start. But even if we don't win, it will still have a been a great start."
Hicks' history in the ruthless world of leveraged buy-out business deals - in short, using other peoples' money to buy companies - suggests someone who is astute and hard-nosed but in person there is a gee-shucks approachability about him that can be disarming. At times he seems more like a cuddly uncle than a businessman. As the public face of Liverpool's new ownership this apparent friendliness has served him well, especially when it has come to selling the idea of yet another of England's biggest clubs being bought by North American owners.
"Clearly I think that was a blueprint of what not to do," he says when asked if he had learned anything from the experience of the Glazer family, whose reluctance to speak in the aftermath of their Old Trafford takeover left a vacuum that was quickly filled by critics' bile. "Their style is different. They are very private people. I have owned sports teams for 13 years. I gave up my privacy a long time ago so it is easier for me to be open about these things.
"The English football press can be . . . " The sentence trails off as Hicks punches his open palm with his fist. "But I think the press and the fans can see we want to win and that when we say we want to win we mean it. I much prefer it [press coverage] to be like this but I know how the world of sports works. Things will probably change down the line but George and I will enjoy it while we can. But so far I have been pleasantly surprised."
The gregarious Texan has every right to be surprised at the contrasting response to the two transactions. Admittedly the Glazers' takeover was a hostile one while Hicks and Gillett were invited to buy Liverpool but in essence the two deals were the same. Like the Glazers Hicks and his partner borrowed money to buy the club. Like the Glazers they face enormous interest payments on their borrowings. It turns out, too, that the Anfield owners, like their counterparts at Old Trafford, will take money from the club to meet the debts. "Hopefully there will be extra cash flow so [the club] can pay us a dividend to do that," Hicks says, citing new revenue streams he believes have yet to be exploited such as the nurturing of Liverpool's vast fan base in the Far East to the club's new stadium at Stanley Park.
Those seeking guidance on future ticket prices, the sale of naming rights to New Anfield and on the size of Rafa Benítez's transfer budget will have to wait a while longer. And so, too, will anyone waiting for Liverpool's new owner to make the old-fashioned case that owning a football club is as much about nurturing a social institution as it is about maximising the return on your investment.
"When I was in the leverage buy-out business we bought Weetabix and we leveraged it up to make our return. You could say anyone who was eating Weetabix was paying for our purchase of Weetabix. It was just business. It is the same for Liverpool. Revenues come in from whatever source and go out to whatever source and, if there is money left over, it is profit."
One can only begin to wonder what diehard Liverpool fans would make of the comparison between their beloved club and a breakfast cereal. Presumably, if the result in Athens goes their way tomorrow night, they will not care less - at least not until the business realities of life under the new owners begin to bite.
and this lot were welcomed in with open arms, where as a real fan, with money ended up buying Wolves for £10.00.
The worst thing about this is, that if Hicks & Gillette or the gimps decide they have had enough they can walk away and it wont cost them a penny. All the debt has been transferred to the club. So to date that leaves Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea open to extinction at the drop of a hat. More to follow?
Better get chomping shithouse
The day has come................COME ON THE POOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An fear Rua......Take your particular brand of bullshit elsewhere. Bitter wee turd that you are....
The day has arrived and i can't wait for kick off!!
Im off down to Laois now as my sister is getting married tomorrow
So let me take this chance to wish the Red Army best of luck tonight and bring back Number 6
COME ON THE POOL
Quote from: Syd on May 23, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
An fear Rua......Take your particular brand of bullshit elsewhere. Bitter wee turd that you are....
oooh personal insults in the public domain, naughty naughty
Quote from: Syd on May 23, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
An fear Rua......Take your particular brand of bullshit elsewhere. Bitter wee turd that you are....
That's a bit ironic Sidney
Ye're all only jealous coz United aren't there now please exit the Liverpool thread thank you
Ach supersub it is only a bit of banter, I enjoy the United ones coming and trying to wind us up. Plenty Liverpool fans do it on the United thread.
Getting nervous now, come on the Pool!
Have a hurling match tonight, will probably only see the last half hour :( . We tried to get it moved but the other team wouldnt budge. Hopefully we have it in the bag by the time i tune in........
banter or not, Hicks has admitted that liverpool are mortgaged up , just like utd, almost Tony Blair like making those comments amidst the euphoric build up to a euro final.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 23, 2007, 11:13:01 AM
banter or not, Hicks has admitted that liverpool are mortgaged up , just like utd, almost Tony Blair like making those comments amidst the euphoric build up to a euro final.
Im sure Steven Gerrard will care if he lifts old big ears tonight
Millionaire Steven Gerrard wont give a flying f**k either way, just like he doesnt give a flying f**k if ticket prices are £5 or £50, but then again you probably dont either, that the atittude the likes of Hicks and Glazer love.
cant wait for the match, could be hard for liverpool to get one over on milan again but here hoping....
Tenious link time - when Liverpool fans look to anything to give the right sign.....
2000 Kerry win All-Ireland - 2001 Liverpool win in Europe.
2004 Kerry win All-Ireland - 2005 Liverpool win in Europe.
2006 Kerry win All-Ireland - 2007 ;D
Will be really tight tonight, 5 man midfield should make it difficult for Milan.
Here're hoping the Pool do it...
How gives a flying f**k about how some team in Hicktown USA is doing?
2-0 Millan. ;D ;)
Check this classic out ;D John Barnes was not only a genuis footballer!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcy3gwwxat4&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcy3gwwxat4&mode=related&search=)
Or how about Pass and Move it's the Liverpool Groove :-\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYbST1yCeE8
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 25, 2007, 09:34:58 PM
Good to see a few Down tops at the game.
Its the only final you will see Down tops at this year...... ;) Seriously though i am not as disconsolate as i thought i would be, the defeat has made it patently obvious that we need top class additions in the summer so we should be in a strong position going into the new season.
Someone already put that on the Champions League thread earlier.........
QuoteNo complaints the better team won, even though the first goal was offside and a handball.
To be honest Milan weren't the better team on the night. Liverpool pretty much controlled the first half and had the better of the second although to a lesser degree.
However Milan were by a distance the better team in 2005 so maybe it was just karma levelling the score.
I agree i don't think Milan were the better team on the night but are a classier outfit than Liverpool overall,I echo Syds comments about not being to down over the whole thing,As i posted on the Champions League thread there are bright times ahead and with a few top class signings we could be challenging on all fronts next year
Were the scenea that bad in Athens ? the Article is one reason I decided many years ago not to mix with thoes animals that follow English football
Quote from: johnpower on May 25, 2007, 10:42:08 PM
Were the scenea that bad in Athens ? the Article is one reason I decided many years ago not to mix with thoes animals that follow English football
Bit of a generalisation Mr Power?
I speak from experience . if 22 years after Heysel we still have these scenes then some thing is wrong . My view is a personal one based on experience of attending many games in the uk over a 5 year period . I know they are not all animals but for feck safe it still is bull shit some of their carry on .
FFS
How do you work out that the first goal was offside?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ud_O8vmbo&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ud_O8vmbo&NR=1)
Mr Kewell's not a popular boy...
QuoteHow do you work out that the first goal was offside?
Milan's first goal was clearly onside, and Kuyt's goal was clearly offside.
No one else has mentioned that Billy, possibly because it made little difference, but I couldn't believe Kuyt's goal wasn't given off side.
not tht it matters or will change anything but milans first was marginly offside and clearly came of his hand and kuyts was onside dnt be silly by suggesting otherwise! but doesn change anything in a way the fact we lost highlights the need for a top class striker and a winger such as joaquin (real betis not sure how its spelt) and for the strikers id take tevez and eto'o i think if rafa wants tevez we have good chance with macherano there to help him settle!
personally that alves fella can stay in spain i dnt want him to arrogant and not in the same class as steve finnan! but we need at least one world class player up front ot bag 20+ league goals!
Quotekuyts was onside dnt be silly by suggesting otherwise
Kuyt was a yard off, look at the video ffs.
I can only assume that the linesman thought the ball only hit the Milan defenders head - therefore Kuyt wouldn't have been offside
OK. Sorry for the picture quality, they are screenshots from YouTube, but I think they are clear enough
Milan's first, at least 2 yards on.
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Liverpool's goal. Clearly Offside I think.
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Why thank you AZ, you are a gentleman. :P
QuoteCisse got 10 tickets for the CL Final and sold them for £1000 stg each
sc**bag...he should be arrested and banned for touting.
I thought Kuyt's goal was offside too but whenever I saw a replay i was happy he was onside. In that picture AZ the ball still has a bit to travel before it gets flicked on, I think Kuyt manages to get level.
But yes, it's as irrelevant now as Donegal's square ball yesterday!
That's after the flick Will. (After the Liverpool player flicks it anyway).
Rumour mill well and truelly started. I see football 365 are linking Rafa with the French boyo Malouda for £10M.
The Independent also reckons that Liverpool are interested in signing Florent Malouda - without quite going as far to state that the Reds will definitely bid for the France international. Instead, the player 'has emerged as a test of Liverpool's transfer resolve this summer with Rafael Benitez hoping to beat a host of leading European clubs to the £10m-rated Lyon midfielder'.
Rafa has publicly called on the club to get their act together in the transfer market and a move for the in-demand Malouda, who is believed to want to leave the French champs, 'would represent a statement of intent from the Americans - far more effectively than their public assurances have done - if they can conclude a deal in the face of intense competition for the Lyon winger.'
Also Liverpool have bought two young Hungarian kids at 17 and 18.
Another Midfielder??? WTF? Is Rafa trying to build Hadrian's Wall across the middle of Anfield or what?
Yeah I know. If the Americans want to make a statement of intent they would be far better of going for Eto or Tevez or a good out and out striker.
I also see Carra and Stevie Gerrard are putting pressure on Rafa to look into signing Mickey Owen again!! I hope to god Rafa tells them were to go.
On the subject of Malouda I was impressed with him in the WC last year. Looked very sharp. But the fact that he is coming from the French league would scream alarm bells at me. Once bitten twice shy!!
to be honest the ball has travelled a fair bit in the first 1 and even if he was on it still hit his hand and in th second clip there it looks level! i wonder could u get a picture of the handball?! either way liverpool came closer to winning it than united did! at least we went down with a bit of pride by arguably out playing milan for most of the game but united got humiliated by milan!
Mooncatiii,
I'm a Liverpool fan of more than 25 years (about 28 actually), so I am in no way running them down. I agree they played well in the game, but there's no point making crazy statements about the goals, as that just weakens the case. Milan's first goal came off Inzaghi's upper arm, no doubt, but his arm was tight to his side, he didn't lift his arm up to deflect the ball or anything. But it could have harshly been called handball. It was never in a million years offside.
As for Liverpool's goal, if that looks onside to you, well then I obviously won't be able to persuade you with words. In my view Kuyt was a good yard off side.
Anyway, forget last week, next season is what's important now.
understand the owen arguments but end of the day he walked frm liverpool and i know many greats left and came back and where equally as good but i just think has gone through too much! his best attibute was his pace which after a cruciate injury cannot be the same! and then there is the fact he is injury prone, id take him but at no more than 6r7 million! id prefer eto'o r tevez! and i wudn go near david villa dnt rate him at all he wont score 20-25 prem goals a year which is what we need!
Naw I wouldn't be interested in Owen either unless it was cut price.
I reckon you could get Tevez for a similar price as MO and I know who i'd prefer.
Course Eto'o would be my choice but the money will prob be crazy.
Of course it's no good getting a top striker without giving him the ammo as well, so I think we need quality out wide as well, especially on the left. I know there were a good few chances missed during the season, but we didn't create a whole lot either. Andy Cole missed a scatter of chances for Man Utd over the years, way more in proportion than Owen or Fowler or even Kuyt would have done, but Man U were so good going forward that they created hundreds of chances for him, so he still ended with 20 goals a season.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 29, 2007, 12:11:41 PM
Of course it's no good getting a top striker without giving him the ammo as well, so I think we need quality out wide as well, especially on the left. I know there were a good few chances missed during the season, but we didn't create a whole lot either. Andy Cole missed a scatter of chances for Man Utd over the years, way more in proportion than Owen or Fowler or even Kuyt would have done, but Man U were so good going forward that they created hundreds of chances for him, so he still ended with 20 goals a season.
Correct AZ, at one stage Andy Cole was converting about 1 of every 6 half chances/chances that were created for him. What the scousers need are wide players
& a top striker. Would still not be totally convinced about Pennant either. Just because he has a few decent games at the end of the season I still dont think he is good enough if the pool are to challenge for honours
agree about a left winger id go for joaquin frm betis he is unreal! on the right i think he'll stick with pennant was our best player in th final and has really come into his own the last few months, next year could be his season to really shine.
another player we're linked with is alves, what u think of him AZ? personally i think i would lace finnans boots! i think we're left winger and a prolific goalscorer and maybe a few cover players of a premiership winning side!
Joaquin plays for Valencia and has had a pretty terrible season to be fair.
Joaquin has been in great form this past month/six weeks, but you've got him wrong.
He's an out and out right winger!
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 30, 2007, 09:21:48 AM
Sami Hyypia insists he has no plans to leave Liverpool despite speculation linking him with a summer move.
And the Finnish defender says he has been assured of his future at the club by boss Rafa Benitez.
"Rafa said, 'We are happy with you and you are not for sale.' I will go back to Liverpool in July for pre-season training," said Hyypia.
"Next season will be my ninth in Liverpool and I still have one year left on my current contract."
Hyypia is currently back in his homeland preparing for Euro 2008 qualifiers against Serbia and Belgium.
I think big Sami is staying for the green, a move to Fulham broke down over his wage demands i think.
personally il be glad if sami stays he been a great servant to the club has never put a foot wrong and you know should he be called upon in a few games next year he'll do a job! gna be hard to find cover of his quality for agger and carrargher! we've palleta as well for cover! never mind the talk about centre backs what we need is a goal getter, and i think we should big on eto'o or even dare i say but personally i would love to ruud van nistilrooy at anfield if we could get him cheap
The Guardian Rumour Mill
So it's not too surprising that Rafa Benítez wears a worried expression on his face this morning as he surveys the footballing buffet spread before him. The Sun reckons he'll fill the howling void that is Liverpool's left-flank with Valencia winger David Silva. Once he's done that Djibril Cissé will become the Lord of the Manor of Lisbon when he's used as bait in Rafa's pursuit of Benfica midfielder Simão Sabrosa. Meanwhile, our proper journalist colleagues report that Carlos Tevez and Florent Malouda are being forced to watch Bread repeats on a 20-hour loop to prepare them for their new lives as official Scousers. While all that kerfuffle is going on, Sami Hyypia will slip out the back door and make his way to Wigan.
Simao would be a great addition as he can play on both flanks and actually as a bit of flair and creativity. Haven't seen much of yer man silva so will hold judgement. Is it just me or was Malouda not the greatest in the world cup? Any reports on how he has played this season? Tevez would be a great buy but still think we would need a real poacher to get 25 + goals a season.
P.S. Sami please don't leave :'(
I think we would really benefit from a player of the RVN mould, however possibly without the arrogance and the horse features. A Left Winger is a must, so is a Centre half with experience, Distin would have been a good signing but he prefered the bucks at pompey.
In your face Man Utd :D :D
Liverpool finally win something this year ;)
LIVERPOOL TOPS ONLINE PREMIERSHIP
source www.liverpoolfc.tv
Liverpoolfc.tv is the most popular football club website in England according to a new Online Premiership table.
The Reds beat Manchester United in second, with Arsenal third and Chelsea fourth.
The research, carried out by internet analysts NetRatings based on each club's share of the domestic online audience, threw up a few surprises, with Wolves, QPR and Bristol Rovers all featuring prominently.
The 20 teams deemed to make the Online Premiership are:
1. Liverpool
2. Manchester United
3. Arsenal
4. Chelsea
5. Tottenham Hotspur
6. Everton
7. Wolves
8. Leeds United
9. Sunderland
10. Charlton Athletic
11. Nottingham Forest
12. Manchester City
13. Queens Park Rangers
14. Bristol Rovers
15. Newcastle United
16. Leicester City
17. Sheffield Wednesday
18. Southampton
19. West Ham United
20. Blackburn Rovers
Looks like United have just spent 54 million on three players. Very hard to compete with that level of spending. Either the yanks get the finger out or we'll be scrabbling around in the bargin bin again this Summer.
54 million but cant really see it changing them too much, the 2 portugese fellas r wingers, so r more for cover for ronaldo and giggs! and hargreaves £17 million for him to play in the same position as carrick so michael carrick id gna be a dear substitute at 18 million or whatever them scumbags paid for him!
if we get eto'o il be happy! maybe another winger or so left and right! with kewell aurellio riise and garcia all fit again next year we'll be ok i think, but what liverpool lack is real goal threat up front, theres penty of goals in the mid field i think but the new owners should invest alot in a top drawer striker
With Salford Reds already making a dip in the transfer market i hope we are not going to wait and wait until all our targets are gone........
This is becoming uncomfortable like 'deja vu all over again'.
If we end up spinning our wheels for a month (excuse the Americanism, I'm tainted since working there), and signing someone like Bellemy and Pennant again, I'll be seriously pissed off, and we can write off another season.
bellamy il admit wasn good enough and should go, but as for pennanat i think his been r best player the last month r so, in the CL final he was the only player to show ambition and get at milan and in the chelsea game he kept cole defending and on the back foot all nite which speaks for itself not many players do that!
We'll give you o'shea sure. all you need is two more midfielders with no apparent ability to have the full set.
The United boys are getting cocky after they've had a bit of a splurge :D
In fairness to them, United have left us in the blocks so far in terms of re-tooling for the 2007/08 season. I hope LFC can catch up with them fairly soon or else it's another fallow season. I only hope that the reason United have gotten the three lads (assuming Hargreaves goes through) is that nobody else was in competition with them, and that Liverpool are closing in on their own targets.
Well i don't think anyone other than SAF were willing to pay that sort of dough for Hargreaves. i think if it had been left last season and united were making their first quiet enquiry for hargreaves now, they'd get him for less than £10m.
Nani is much sought after but thankfully united have a "relationship" with Sporting Lisbon which usurps any outside interest in any of their players.
Anderson is a gamble pure and simple. he has huge ability but the bits i've seen of him he hasn't produced much end product. he's a bit like a very young CR or Robinho... he has all the touches and flicks without actually creating anything. so far anyway.
I think the reason why Liverpool have been slow to hit the transfer marker is that the Spanish season if not over.
I'd say a few deals are in the offering but obviously can't be announced until the end of the Spanish season.
I hope Eto arrives, two decent wide player and I would love Liverpool to get Tevez.
We need to start spending in the 20m category not the 10m.
Some of my opinions here may be shot down but here it goes.
Players out
Scott Carson £3m
Bellamy £8m
Alonso £14m or part exchange for E'to
Kewell - a wheel barrow full of turnips and a good milking cow.
Players in
As above E'to
Tevez - whatever is necessary
A left sided midfielder maybe Malouda Baluba
Start blooding some of the younger ones on the reserves more regularly, eg Jack Hobbs.
I know he is a turn coat and may not fit in with Rafa's turgid game plan but Owen will score goals when fit. Activate the escape clause is what I say and get him back. Maybe not just like it but Rushie came back and well he was a bit special too.
Read today Finnan could be on way to Villa
Finnan was for Sunderland the other day, paper talk is so stupid at thid time.
But to add my own view I can not see Eto leaving Barcelona.
All these rumours of Finnan are absolute bollix, why would the best right back in the EPL want to move to villa and why would we want to sell him? Papers make any oul shite up these days >:(
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 31, 2007, 03:08:41 PM
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Don't like it,Its more like a training top
the black one is nice alright
QuoteJuventus are reported to have tabled a bid for Liverpool midfielder Mohamed Sissoko.
Sissoko has fallen out of favour at Anfield following the arrival of Javier Mascherano from West Ham in January.
The Mali international has stated his frustration at his current situation with Rafa Benitez's men, and could be open to a new challenge.
Sissoko's future in England is therefore in doubt, despite still having three years remaining on his contract, and Barcelona are also thought to be interested.
Liverpool are unwilling to sell Sissoko to another English club, but may be tempted by Juventus' attractive offer.
The Italian giants are rumoured to be offering The Reds between €15million and €20million (£10m-£13.5m) for Sissoko.
Meanwhile, Juventus are also reported to be interested in Lyon's out-of-favour midfielder Alou Diarra, who is also a target for Everton, Bordeaux and Marseille
Take their arm off Rafa
10 - 13 million? Hell yeah. And hold onto Alonso instead.
Quote from: gawa316 on May 31, 2007, 02:31:17 PM
All these rumours of Finnan are absolute bollix, why would the best right back in the EPL want to move to villa and why would we want to sell him? Papers make any oul shite up these days >:(
gary neville aint leavin utd is he? ;)
Take him out by the roots. Too much money to turn down for a player like him. It may settle Alonso a bit and hopefully he can get back to his form next season. If they have that sort of money, on top of what they get for Bellamy and Zenden :P, along with the so called war chest that Hicks and Gillett have made available, Rafa has no excuses about not getting the right players.potentially a serious load of money available.
Quote from: laceer on June 01, 2007, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 31, 2007, 02:31:17 PM
All these rumours of Finnan are absolute bollix, why would the best right back in the EPL want to move to villa and why would we want to sell him? Papers make any oul shite up these days >:(
gary neville aint leavin utd is he? ;)
FFS Gary Neville wouldn't be the best player if the category was ugly fcukers called Gary Neville, nevermind in the EPL
Quote from: SammyG on June 01, 2007, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: laceer on June 01, 2007, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 31, 2007, 02:31:17 PM
All these rumours of Finnan are absolute bollix, why would the best right back in the EPL want to move to villa and why would we want to sell him? Papers make any oul shite up these days >:(
gary neville aint leavin utd is he? ;)
FFS Gary Neville wouldn't be the best player if the category was ugly fcukers called Gary Neville, nevermind in the EPL
who'd win then?
QuoteJuventus are reported to have tabled a bid for Liverpool midfielder Mohamed Sissoko.
Sissoko has fallen out of favour at Anfield following the arrival of Javier Mascherano from West Ham in January.
The Mali international has stated his frustration at his current situation with Rafa Benitez's men, and could be open to a new challenge.
Sissoko's future in England is therefore in doubt, despite still having three years remaining on his contract, and Barcelona are also thought to be interested.
Liverpool are unwilling to sell Sissoko to another English club, but may be tempted by Juventus' attractive offer.
The Italian giants are rumoured to be offering The Reds between €15million and €20million (£10m-£13.5m) for Sissoko.
Meanwhile, Juventus are also reported to be interested in Lyon's out-of-favour midfielder Alou Diarra, who is also a target for Everton, Bordeaux and Marseille
I like Momo and think he has huge potential but Mascherano is better and Momo doesn't look like being anything other than 4th choice at the moment. Plus with Lucas arriving it might be better for all concerned to let him go especially if Juventus are offering as much as that.
The amount of money attached to that rumour about sissoko is nonsense.
dream on lads.
I would imagine Liverpool would sell for 7.5 million. So if it is an offer of ten, take it at all costs and try and hide the smile.
Quote from: Uladh on June 02, 2007, 03:18:26 PM
The amount of money attached to that rumour about sissoko is nonsense.
dream on lads.
I dont think its that outlandish when United paid £17 million for Hargreaves
£10m for sissoko? sure we'll wait and see but i wouldn't hold my breath
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 02, 2007, 03:20:06 PM
so unlike Armaghs Ulster aspirations it may not be a dream at all ;)
like ronan murtagh's ability to defend, it is indeed a complete fairytale
Quote from: Uladh on June 02, 2007, 03:18:26 PM
The amount of money attached to that rumour about sissoko is nonsense.
dream on lads.
I wouldn't sell him for anything less than 10 million. He's had some brilliant performances for Liverpool (especially in Europe), he's young, a superb athlete and has vast potential. Only for the fact that Mascherano fell into our laps I don't think we'd even be considering selling him.
QuoteI dont think its that outlandish when United paid £17 million for Hargreaves
Geez...that's twice I have agreed with you in the last few weeks. I think I need help.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 02, 2007, 10:37:10 PM
QuoteI dont think its that outlandish when United paid £17 million for Hargreaves
Geez...that's twice I have agreed with you in the last few weeks. I think I need help.
Most Chelsea supporters need help......
QuoteMost Chelsea supporters need help......
;D
Word has it round Scouseland that Liverpool are trying to poach Henry from Arsenal, apparently Ladbrokes and William Hill have shortened the odds on the transfer from 10-1 to around 3-1!
Tommy Smith has had a heart attack just announced
Is he ok?
out by the weekend they reckon, so mustnt be too bad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6727365.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6727365.stm)
He might even qualify for sickness benefit this time round ;)
Henry was in Melwood today with Rafa
aye, and somebody tried to hijack the Popemobile ::)
Know the rumours are rife, but how could Henry be in Melwood with Rafa as France are playing an important European Championships qualifier tonight against Georgia, is he suspended?
I remember seeing a interview a few years back where Henry said Anfield was his favourite ground to play at outside of Highbury,and that he loved all the history that goes with Liverpool FC
Dunno which thread to post this in.
From Football365. Like Buzzword Bingo if you watch the England match tonight. Award yourself the relevant points each time you see/hear the item.
1. Steve McClaren calling for patience in the pre-match build-up - one point.
2. Fans begging to differ - six points minus number of minutes it takes for booing to start.
3. During the warm-up, Michael Owen practising not looking relieved if he scores - one point.
4. During the warm-up, Frank Lampard flopping his hair over his ears to hide the fact that he's wearing earplugs - two points.
5. Team-mate calling, shouting at, then screaming at Lampard - five points.
6. Commentator expressing surprise that Estonia "are actually quite well-organised at the back", as if it's strange that smaller European teams do, in fact, train for football matches - one point.
7. England not appearing quite so well-organised at the back - one point per unmarked Estonian at a corner.
8. Commentator observing that "Joe can give you a bit of magic out there on the wing" - one point.
9. Joe Cole attempting fancy but amateurish stepover - two points per blurry leg movement.
10. Full-back dispossessing Joe Cole with embarrassing ease - three points.
11. Ex-pro praising McClaren's tactical awareness, modern methods etc - one point per bottle of Lucozade on side of pitch.
12.Sophisticated modern methods manifested by booting ball 80 yards at Peter Crouch and hoping it bounces favourably off him - one point.
13. England winning an early corner and Steve McClaren applauding loudly and urging his men forward, then pursing his lips 30 seconds later - one point.
14. A man on the radio defending Frank Lampard - five cakes.
15. Man is surprisingly not a relative of Frank's - ten cakes. And a lasagne.
16. Terry Venables scratching the back of his head then looking over towards the corner flag, as though he's at a bus stop - five points.
17. McClaren drawing frantically on his tactics pad, then crossing it all out and starting again - ten points.
18. Terry Venables slowly edging further away from Steve McClaren - five points.
19. One for lip-readers: McClaren saying "I can't move my legs" after Estonia take the lead - ten points.
20. England fans chanting: "You don't know what you're doing." - five points.
21. The press box chanting: "You don't know what you're doing." - ten points.
22. Becks scoring free-kick, followed by calls for him to be made Pope - XXIII points
23. An annoying pre-prepared punny intro from Gary Lineker on MOTD - five points.
24. McClaren insisting that he's not worried about losing his job - one point.
25. McClaren in the dugout furiously crayoning himself a new CV - three points.
26. John Terry vowing "I'll take blame for failure"; blaming referee - one point.
27. Headline featuring Estone The Crows/Tallint Show/Coq up etc - one point per smuggled-in can of Stella that sports sub-editor has consumed during game (maximum 15).
28. Kieron Dyer missing after the game and later hauled out of Estonian "gentlemen's club" - one point.
29. Yourself looking at the TV listings, wondering if you'd be better off missing the last 15 minutes in favour of seeing the whole of The Apprentice - five points.
30. Yourself daydreaming about Sir Alan Sugar being head of the FA and telling Steve McClaren: "You've lost me money, you're an utter shambles, YOU'RE FIRED!" - 100 points.
By Philip Cornwall and Alan Tyers
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 06, 2007, 05:55:51 PM
Liverpool legend Tommy Smith is in hospital after suffering a heart attack at his home on Tuesday.
The 62-year-old ex-defender collapsed at his Crosby home while mowing the lawn but crawled into the house before his wife, Sue, called an ambulance.
The former Reds skipper was taken to Fazackerley Hospital and is expected to be discharged at the weekend.
Liverpool spokesman Ian Cotton said: "Everyone at Liverpool sends him their best wishes for a speedy recovery."
He added: "He is a legend of the club and remains a very popular figure in the press box on match days.
"We look forward to seeing him again fit and well next season."
Smith's former Anfield team-mate Ian Callaghan added: "I'm shocked to hear about this. But he is on the go all the time doing things.
"Only last week we were together for a lunch at the Crowne Plaza. Maybe this is just a little warning. I am sure will be up and about before long."
Smith was famed for his hardman reputation during his playing days and was a fierce tackler with a no-nonsense approach to the game.
Born just a mile from Anfield, he joined the club ground staff as a 15-year-old in 1960.
Smith went on to become the first Liverpool captain to lift a European trophy when Bill Shankly's side won the League and Uefa Cup double in 1973.
He headed the decisive second goal in the 1977 European Cup final against Borussia Monchengladbach on his 600th appearance.
He went on to make 637 appearances for the Reds and had complained recently of chest pains.
He has also been having treatment for painful rheumatoid arthritis.
I will never forget the time he took part in a half-time penalty shoot-out at Wembley while claiming disability. Only 100 million pepole saw him. Quality stuff.
Alonso has signed a new contract so looks like he's going nowhere. Apparently Finnan and Momo are due to sign new contracts too apparently so maybe Momo isn't leaving after all?
was readin there that liverpool have been in talks with malouda.. chelsea also interested. And gonzales probably gon to betis
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 08, 2007, 12:55:34 PM
But an Evertonian got the blame for squealing on him :D
I think the lad who reported him had to publicly deny that he was a toffee. It was Smith started the rumour himself.
A rumour like that would spread like wildfire round a football-mad city like Liverpool.
Quote from: Hank Everlast on June 08, 2007, 01:27:18 PM
was readin there that liverpool have been in talks with malouda.. chelsea also interested. And gonzales probably gon to betis
Not sure what to think about Malouda? He's never impressed me all that much when I've seen him play with France but apparently he reallly does the business for Lyon.
just heard on the radio that benitez in trying to sign diego forlan :o,and is prepared to pay £16 million,now if this is the case this will probaly be the biggest waste of money of all time,as he showed at utd he may be a skillful player but just not up to prem football
Quote from: isourboydownyet on June 11, 2007, 08:53:02 AM
just heard on the radio that benitez in trying to sign diego forlan :o,and is prepared to pay £16 million,now if this is the case this will probaly be the biggest waste of money of all time,as he showed at utd he may be a skillful player but just not up to prem football
In fairness to Forlan he is a lot better than he showed at United,I watch alot of Spainish football and he is one of the best strikers in that league
Wouldn't just judge him on a bad couple of years at United,Remember Henry was terrible a Arsenal for first few years too..
I think he be a good buy
You are more than welcome to him laoislad. If you lot sign Forlan it will be a joke. Certain players just cant cut the Premiership (Veron being a prime example) & Forlan is one of them
i have to agree with you ther full back, he is the type of player that really doesnt suit the physical side of premiership footy!
Benayoun story ?? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6752777.stm)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 14, 2007, 02:01:42 PM
Benayoun story ?? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/6752777.stm)
He isnt exactly the kind of player i thought we would be going for........ >:(
Rightly or wrongly expectations have been raised that super summer signings are on the way.
If we get Forlan and Yossi then these are far short of what was talked about.
If a championship challenge is what we are after (and it must be) we need starters not squad players.
Tevez, Eto'o, Villa, Torrez that is the quality of player I was hoping for.....
I have to say I am getting soemwhat perturbed by the lack of action in the business end of the transfer market. Bennyoun is a decent player but hardly the kind of one to change the team into a Premiership winning one. I have to have faith that Rafa has a few signings on the back burner waiting for things to be sorted out but I am very afraid that he doesn't.
This is a massive season for the club. After having succeeded in resigning the players he has for a longer period of time, and with Manure catching on the title ladder of supremacy, only one thing will suffice and that is the League. Too many times have false daws been followed by weak excuses so now they must take it to the next level and finally breakthe Premiership hoodoo.
Real Madrid in for Dudek (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=471816&CPID=23&clid=186&lid=2&title=Real+move+for+Dudek&channel=football_home&)
Well it's still very early and the Spanish season isn't even over yet so no need to worry unduly just yet. The only team to spend big money so far has been Man U.
That said I think there's a growing realisation that the yanks aren't the sugar daddies that we and the media thought they were going to be. By all accounts coming out we aren't going to be spending much more than our usual Summer outlay on players. I think the fans will be very disappointed with that though as Gilette and Hicks certainly talked a good game after they took over but it looks like even the much maligned Glazers will be shelling out much more funds than them.
But let's see if they pull something out of the hat.
In the grandiose surrounds of Queenwood in Surrey, arguably the most exclusive and expensive of Britain's golf clubs, George Gillett Jr is beginning to ponder the American invasion of English football when the news he has been waiting for flashes up on the television, telling him that Liverpool, the club he co-owns, will play Randy Lerner's Aston Villa in their opening match of the Barclays Premier League season. "And we're the guys on the right," Gillett says, scrutinising the opening-day fixtures. "So that means we're the away side, right?"
Just as he promised when he and Tom Hicks arrived on Merseyside in February, Gillett is finding out about the sport he once knew as soccer. It is a learning process that has taken in heady triumphs over Barcelona and Chelsea en route to an agonising defeat by AC Milan in the Champions League final. Already he and Hicks have discovered that the highs are higher and the lows far lower in football than in any sport they have known. Emotions run high among the supporters, not least at Liverpool, a club thirsting not only for success but also for a reassertion of the kind of dominance they knew in the 1970s and 1980s.
In many ways, Liverpool seemed like the last English club that should pass to speculators from the United States, but while David Moores, the former chairman, may have been tearful as he sold his family's 51.6 per cent stake to Gillett and Hicks for £89.8 million, he had no hesitation in calling the deal "a great step forward" for the club.
Nor did the supporters. Whereas another American family, the Glazers, encountered hostility at Manchester United before and after their takeover two years ago, Gillett and Hicks were given a cautious welcome by most Liverpool fans and were embraced with a remarkable zeal by others. The odd star-spangled banner even appeared on the Kop.
Such warmth left Gillett feeling humble, he says. But the honeymoon period ended for the new owners at about 11am in Athens on May 24. It was then, the morning after defeat by Milan in European club football's showpiece event, that Rafael BenÍtez, the Liverpool manager, said that the time had come for the club to stop talking and start acting in the transfer market.
It was an outburst that took the new owners by surprise. Evidently, Gillett would not expect such comments from Guy Carbonneau, the head coach of the Montreal Canadiens, the ice hockey franchise he owns. Asked if BenÍtez's outspoken comments surprised him, Gillett says: "Taken out of context, yes. I'm a very private person and both Tom and I don't typically talk about things publicly. So [for BenÍtez] to say things publicly was a bit of a surprise.
"But to put it back in context, Rafa had had a very disappointing night and was walking the streets of Athens for five hours after the game. He didn't sleep after the game and then he saw you guys in the media, so I think we understood that. We've all been there and said things in a moment of frustration or passion."
To prove that there are no hard feelings, Gillett and his wife, Rose, have a dinner date with BenÍtez and his wife, Montse, next week. Gillett, presumably, will pick up the bill. But there may be more than pleasantries discussed between courses.
The manager talked last month of moving immediately to secure the top-class targets he wanted, but today the ambition has switched from Samuel Eto'o, the Barcelona striker, to more prosaic names such as Diego Forlán, Darren Bent and Yossi Benayoun, who was the subject of what West Ham United considered a derisory offer on Wednesday.
Have the new owners, after their Messianic welcome, proved to be gods with feet of clay, unwilling to sanction the kind of spending that BenÍtez had demanded? "I sense that kind of pressure building from the media," Gillett says of the growing scrutiny of their regime. "I think the fans know that we have huge regard for Rafa. He has a number of initiatives and concepts and plans under way. We're not going to do something just to try to prove something. I can assure you that we are working on different things.
"What we've said and what Rafa has said was that we had a programme and he would share that with us and that we would support it. The first part was that we identified a number of our existing star players [José Manuel Reina, Jamie Carragher, Steven Gerrard, Xabi Alonso] whom Rafa wanted to sign on long-term contracts. That was the first step and it has been done. Now we're moving on to phase two, which is bringing players in."
Gillett remains reluctant to discuss figures and describes the budget as "player-specific and situation-specific". Already there have been rumours of disagreements with Hicks over the level of investment in the squad. Gillett does not confirm this directly but says: "We go through everything together and if one or other of us doesn't feel that it's something we're comfortable with, we're highly respectful of that.
"As partners, you don't always agree, but when you don't agree, that really gives you a reason to ask yourself why and look at the other side of the debate. I think we get strength from that. We've been partners in a number of businesses for a number of years. I think we work pretty well together."
The new regime is in its early days, with Gillett and Hicks acting as co-chairmen from the other side of the Atlantic while Rick Parry, the chief executive, deals with BenÍtez on a day-to-day basis. In August, work permit allowing, Gillett's son, Foster, will arrive to work with Parry in an unspecified executive role.
"It won't be as CEO and it certainly won't be as manager," Gillett says. "Foster will be there to improve communication. This is a very fast-changing sport, where decisions often need to be made very quickly. There was substantial concern on Rick and Rafa's part as to how, with the time differences, we could guarantee quick decisions and quick communication. This is a way of doing that."
Communication is clearly a watchword for the two Americans. Their approach contrasts with that of the Glazers, whose only communication with United supporters in two years at Old Trafford came in a single, sanitised interview on MUTV, the club's television channel. But are they not similar in other respects? Will they, as the Glazers have done, send ticket prices soaring while keeping a tight hold on the purse strings – at least until this summer? Apparently not.
"Liverpool's relationship with its fans with regard to ticket prices is a matter of record," Gillett says. "We are not going to do anything material to change what has been done over a number of years. Just because we are here doesn't mean we will approach it the same as other people." Gillett insists that he and Hicks did not buy Liverpool to make money, but to enjoy the glory and the thrills associated with "the most important club in the most important sport in the world".
"I can't speak for other American investors," he says. "I really can't tell you why others have invested. I've met Randy Lerner and I know the Glazers and I know Stan Kroenke [who has bought a large stake in Arsenal]. I can't talk for them. But for Tom and me, this really is about trying to win championships. And that takes commitment, no matter what sport."
In modern football, though, with no salary caps and no draft system, it also takes money and the willingness to spend it. United have already committed up to £55 million on three players to add to last season's title-winning squad, which is one reason why Liverpool's relative inactivity has caused such agitation among supporters, with the signings of Lucas Leiva, a £6 million Brazilian midfield player, Andriy Voronin, the Ukraine forward, and the perennial smattering of youngsters largely forgotten.
"With regard to Man United, I think what we would say is that they were way down in their investment in the transfer market last year and in my view this [their recent outlay] is averaging out," Gillett says. "We are pleased with Rafa and his strategy. It's not dissimilar to what he outlined to us in February. His belief is to look for players with the proper chemistry to enhance the team. We support Rafa. He has a programme under way and, as that unfolds, that will be the time for us to be judged, not now."
— Gillett on the brilliance of BenÍtez and the fervour of the fans
On Rafael BenÍtez "[For him] to say things publicly was a bit of a surprise. But he had had a very disappointing night and was walking the streets of Athens for five hours after the game. We've all been there and said things in a moment of frustration or passion. He's a very interesting, responsible, brilliant man, always trying to do better."
On Tom Hicks "As partners, you don't always agree. But when you don't agree, that really gives you a reason to ask yourself why and look at the other side of the debate. I think we get strength from that. It works very well."
On David Moores, the former chairman, and Rick Parry, the chief executive "They have done an extremely good job with this club and we want to add to that."
On the fans "They're amazing. David and Rick did their best to explain the passion and the intensity of the fans. But it has to be witnessed to be believed."
— Why the price was right at £434m
George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks won the ownership battle for Liverpool after Dubai International Capital (DIC), the private-equity investment arm of the Arab state, withdrew from negotiations on January 31 because of a lack of progress in its talks with the club once it had reached the due diligence stage (Oliver Kay writes).
The Americans' £5,000-a-share offer was £500 more than DIC's, meaning that David Moores, left, the former chairman, earned £89.8 million by selling his 51.6 per cent stake, but the Liverpool board was unanimous in declaring that the offer was the right one for the club.
The total cost of the takeover is estimated at £434 million, which comprises £174.2 million to buy the shareholding, £44.5 million to write off debts and £215.3 million towards the reconstruction of a new stadium in Stanley Park, the design of which has since been modified. The capacity remains 61,000, with relocation expected in the summer of 2010, but there is scope for further expansion.
Sources at DIC claimed that it would have provided more funds for Rafael BenÍtez to strengthen the squad, but the Anfield board was won over by the "energy and enthusiasm" of Gillett, whose bid gained weight when he took Hicks on board as his "running partner". Their offer was accepted by 98.6 per cent of shareholders.
All must be forgiven in the gerrard household given that the nuptuals are going ahead...
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on June 16, 2007, 01:21:08 PM
All must be forgiven in the gerrard household given that the nuptuals are going ahead...
He should have kicked the dirty whore out long ago........
well lads, now that the spanish season is done and dusted i would expect rafa to make his move in the transfer market, all the hype that the media is creating is putting pressure on the yanks to relaese the funds needed to buy some top quality players.
Although being linked with darren Bent and yer man from Israel does not strike me as being top quality.
But in rafa we must trust, he will so us the way
whats that about gerrard's mrs lads? i missed that one, and scrolled back a few pages but cant see anything
Quote from: goldenyears on June 18, 2007, 02:00:16 PM
whats that about gerrard's mrs lads? i missed that one, and scrolled back a few pages but cant see anything
Some drug dealing bouncer in Liverpool was "allegedley" banging her and it was about to break in the papers but Gerrard begged them not to run the story. There was talk Gerrard was asking for a paternity test for one of his children, thought it may not have been his.
I didn't know anything about this lad till I read this piece on the official site. Sounds promising, although we'll obviously have to wait and see how things go when he gets a few starts in the Premiership.
WHY LUCAS LEIVA WILL BE A BIG HIT
Jimmy Rice 18 June 2007
Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva is set to be a big hit in the English game, according to South American football expert Tim Vickery.
Vickery believes the Liverpool-bound youngster, who captains Brazil Under-20s, has all the attributes necessary to succeed in Europe.
"These moves are always a gamble but I think this is a good one," he said.
"Lucas has two full seasons behind him - one helping Gremio win promotion from the second division and then last year's success when he was chosen as the player of the championship.
"He's an exciting player of a type Brazilian football hasn't produced too many of recently.
"Of late their central midfielders have tended to be 'holders' who sit and allow the full-backs to push forward. Lucas is different. He's a big, blonde figure whose power and physical strength comes with attacking ability.
"He can pass well and loves to rumble forward. He gets on the scoresheet both with blistering shots from range and from bursting beyond the strikers. You can certainly imagine him playing alongside Javier Mascherano, for example."
Leiva will arrive at Melwood in pre-season. His current club, Gremio, was also the breeding ground for Barcelona playmaker Ronaldinho and Manchester United newboy Anderson.
Rumours a flowing.... Benitez is quitting today folks...press conference is called!! :o
Yanks wont give him the money he NEEDS!
...then again it might be just about this new stadium!?
calm down, calm down, as far as i know the stadium plans where to be shown yesterday to the council so it's probabley about it alrite.
I had heard last week that there would be a few big names announced today. I don't know if it was BS but it would be nice.
Any word what time the press conference is at?
QuoteI had heard last week that there would be a few big names announced today.
How about Dimitrios Papadopoulos? I have no idea if Rafa is interested in him, but he has a big name :D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2007, 09:47:12 AM
I had heard last week that there would be a few big names announced today. I don't know if it was BS but it would be nice.
Any word what time the press conference is at?
Who is BS?
Forget about that question, i've just realised, d'oh ???
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I had heard last week that there would be a few big names announced today.
How about Dimitrios Papadopoulos? I have no idea if Rafa is interested in him, but he has a big name
So has Salt and Vinegar of Hesiltine but I don't think Celtic will sell him.
GAWA, never mind, take it easy, we all forget our heads sometime. :P
Leiva was ranked number 2 as Argentinas most promosing youngster in some magazine, behind Messi.
I thought he was Brazilian?
He is Brazilian, from the hotbed of Gremio, same as Ronaldinho.
I am corrected, second most promosing South American I meant.
I can't find any word of a press conference?
Right I am getting mixed up. I am talking about Leto who you probably don't even know we have. He is an Argentine Winger who World Soccer Magazine rated Argentinas second best youngster behind Messi.
Quote from: corn02 on June 19, 2007, 12:45:57 PM
Right I am getting mixed up. I am talking about Leto who you probably don't even know we have. He is an Argentine Winger who World Soccer Magazine rated Argentinas second best youngster behind Messi.
Here's the boy:
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Argentine Starlet Leto Relishing Liverpool Chance
The young Atletico Lanus winger is relishing the prospect of playing for Liverpool, who have reportedly struck a deal with the Argentine club.
Liverpool have reportedly signed the prodigious winger from Lanus for just under $4 million, and loaned him back to the club for the rest of the season.
While any action alongside Gerrard and company will have to wait for next season, the starlet was confident about the prospect of representing the Reds.
"I am calm," said Leto. "Liverpool are a club with a lot of history, but I do not fear the challenge.
"I have not spoken with Benitez, but I have seen a lot of Premiership games on television.
"I'm a winger who likes to counter-attack. I don't anticipate struggling to adapt to life in England."
The 20-year-old Argentine is rated as one of the best young wingers in Argentina at the moment, and Benitez, who is looking for quality width on the pitch, jumped at the opportunity of landing him on the cheap.
Leto has played 34 games for Lanus since breaking into the first team, scoring six times.
http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=206921 (http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=206921)
time to show Kewell & Gonzalez the door. 'mon the 'pool.
wif united dippin in2 the transfer market already liverpool will hada buy some quality pronto.
Rafa seems to be gettin his way buy improving the young players at the club, but he would still need to buy a couple of big hitters if the pool are to contest the league.
IMO the following need to be shown the door
J dudek - past his best
H Kewell - never done it for the pool
Gonzalez - i think he is already gone
Aurello - not good enough
Crouch - same as above
Pennat - sane as above
Bellamy - same as above
Zenden - would'nt get on Linfiled
Le Tellac - same as above
Cisse - nut case- anger issues
Pongolle - disaster
Quote from: Fr Ted on June 19, 2007, 04:01:49 PM
Rafa seems to be gettin his way buy improving the young players at the club, but he would still need to buy a couple of big hitters if the pool are to contest the league.
IMO the following need to be shown the door
J dudek - past his best
H Kewell - never done it for the pool
Gonzalez - i think he is already gone
Aurello - not good enough
Crouch - same as above
Pennat - sane as above
Bellamy - same as above
Zenden - would'nt get on Linfiled
Le Tellac - same as above
Cisse - nut case- anger issues
Pongolle - disaster
fr ted to sell all these players would be stupid! for example aurello was beginning to come good when he got, kewell last season before the world cup was in very good form and even at the end of this year, and if u sell these 2 then who is your cover on the left side? crouch, dnt no what the lad has to do to prove himself if u look at his goals/starts ratio im sure its as good as any1s in th country! and as for pennant, did u watch the champions league semi final when he did what very few players do, in keep ashley cole defending for most of the match. then in the champions league final; he was r man of the match. fair enough first half of the season he was poor but he has came good and i would have him startin next season!
but the rest i agree pongolle, cisse, le tallec, zenden bellamy and dudek to go!
Quote from: Fr Ted on June 19, 2007, 04:01:49 PM
Rafa seems to be gettin his way buy improving the young players at the club, but he would still need to buy a couple of big hitters if the pool are to contest the league.
IMO the following need to be shown the door
J dudek - past his best
H Kewell - never done it for the pool
Gonzalez - i think he is already gone
Aurello - not good enough
Crouch - same as above
Pennat - sane as above
Bellamy - same as above
Zenden - would'nt get on Linfiled
Le Tellac - same as above
Cisse - nut case- anger issues
Pongolle - disaster
Keep Pennant, Crouch and Aurello; the others are either on their way out or have left liverpool all together.
What happened this press conference that was supposed to be today?
Lads, ask yourself this question would pennant , crouch or aurello make the Utd or chelski teams, not a hope in hell.
Plain and simply we need a better quality players.
IMO that these 3 are not, maybe ok for mid table teams, but not for title contenders
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Rafa seems to be gettin his way buy improving the young players at the club, but he would still need to buy a couple of big hitters if the pool are to contest the league.
IMO the following need to be shown the door
J dudek - past his best
H Kewell - never done it for the pool
Gonzalez - i think he is already gone
Aurello - not good enough
Crouch - same as above
Pennat - sane as above
Bellamy - same as above
Zenden - would'nt get on Linfiled
Le Tellac - same as above
Cisse - nut case- anger issues
Pongolle - disaster
Wouldn't disagree necessarily except to say...
Aurelio - was disastorous towards the start of the season, but was really showing some quality crossing just when he got injured, and was linking up well with Riise. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, a South American getting used to the Premiership, I thought he was coming around. IMHO he's no worse an option than Riise, who's got plenty of heart but not much technical ability. Aurelio seems technically sound, the bottle is still quesitonable. But on the premise that you don't need squad players, you need 22 starters you are probably correct.
Mark Gonzalez - I think he is worth at least a fraction of the time wasted on Kewell over the years. After all the struggle to get him to dispose of him after his opening season seems a bit odd. Leads me to believe the coaching staff see some other problem there - attitude or personality, not doing as he's asked on the pitch, or some such. Pity really, thought he could be an exciting addition after seeing some of his games for Sociedad
Quote from: Fr Ted on June 19, 2007, 05:29:25 PM
Lads, ask yourself this question would pennant , crouch or aurello make the Utd or chelski teams, not a hope in hell.
Plain and simply we need a better quality players.
IMO that these 3 are not, maybe ok for mid table teams, but not for title contenders
on last season efforts not many players would make uniteds side! but as for chleseas then some of them probably would. so would u have had shevchenko last season? so i think crouch would have made the chelsea team! and pennant on his end of season form probably would make it as well, he tortured chelsea in the two games at anfield this season!
and aurellio on his form before he got injured or evra? who would you pick?
my point is these players r very good players and should be kept at the club lets not forget aurellio and pennant r still very young. but in my opinion we r a world class left winger and striker of a great side! bar slow starts th past 2 years we would have been serious title contenders
Former Liverpool Legend :D Abel Xavier has signed with LA Galaxy.Maybe this is old news but it's the first i heard of it..He made his debut on sunday
it's pretty old LL - especially for us MLS heads
Its because i come from a landlocked county it takes ages for news to reach us!! How's that Berlin wall coming along is it knocked yet ;)
I had heard this before alright, but now that you mention it - Lalas and Xavier in the one club??? Holy Shite, Vidal Sassoon will have a stroke.
Lalas is fairly clean cut now
Fernando Torres could be the player to end Liverpool's summer of inactivity after Atletico Madrid finally decided to sell.
The Spanish striker will cost around £25m because of a clause in his contract but The Liverpool Echo believes that price will not put off Rafa Benitez.
Torres has previously been a target for Manchester United and Chelsea, but he is thought to favour a move to Liverpool - during a recent match his captain's armband allegedly slipped to reveal the words 'You'll never walk alone' printed on the reverse.
Atletico have finally agreed to sell Torres after failing to reach the UEFA Cup following a disappointing season in which their star striker still managed to score 14 goals.
One internet report suggests that Liverpool have despatched officials to Madrid in order to open talks with Atletico Madrid, who might be tempted by an offer of former player Luis Garcia in part exchange.
Football365.com
I would love for this deal to come off
Alot of Torrres talk in the usual bullshit outlets, lets hope they are on to something this time.
From The Times
June 21, 2007
£27m price will not stop Liverpool putting Torres top of shopping list by James Ducker
Liverpool's protracted search for a world-class striker took another twist yesterday when it emerged that Rafael Benítez has revived his attempts to sign Fernando Torres, the Atlético Madrid and Spain forward. Atlético are desperate to keep Torres, but after failing to qualify for the Uefa Cup on the final weekend of the Spanish season last weekend, the club have reluctantly agreed to part with their most prized asset.
Torres, 23, has a release clause of about £27 million in his contract, which expires in 2009, but having concluded that he does not have the funds to compete at the top end of the transfer market, Benítez will either have to drive Atlético's asking price down or offer a player in part exchange.
Talks have taken place and there were suggestions last night that a delegation from Liverpool was in Madrid trying to tie up a deal before other clubs could muscle in — Torres has attracted interest from Manchester United and Chelsea, among others — but an agreement is not thought to be imminent.
It has been mooted that Luis GarcÍa, who is out of contract at Anfield next summer, could be offered as bait, in addition to about £16 million in cash, although BenÍtez is not believed to be keen on the prospect of losing the former Barcelona forward.
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Nonetheless, BenÍtez is said to be confident of signing Torres, whom he had identified as his principal target, along with Samuel Eto'o, of Barcelona, before it emerged that there were disagreements between George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, the club's co-owners, over transfer funds that prompted the manager to pursue an alternative list of targets.
Diego Milito, the Real Zaragoza and Argentina forward, is under consideration, although BenÍtez has misgivings about his lack of pace.
The arrival of Torres, who has scored 14 goals in 42 international appearances, would go some way towards appeasing supporters who have become alarmed about the club's inactivity in the transfer market. Four weeks have passed since BenÍtez's plea for the club to move swiftly to secure players — or risk losing them — after the Champions League final defeat by AC Milan and yet, but for the capture of Andriy Voronin, the Ukraine forward, and a handful of promising youngsters, there have been no prominent signings.
That is expected to change, however, as talks progress with Florent Malouda, the Lyons winger, despite the French club's insistence that they will not accept less than £17 million. Alessandro Mancini, the £11 million-rated AS Roma winger, is also on BenÍtez's radar.
Although doubts persist about how Torres would adapt to the Barclays Premier League, the striker is known to be desperate to work with BenÍtez.
Coincidentally, he was given a captain's armband bearing the logo "You'll Never Walk Alone" by friends for his birthday in March and was spotted wearing it last season, adding to speculation.
Mohamed Sissoko, the Mali midfield player, is expected to sign a new four-year contract with Liverpool.
Torres and crouch would be the combo rather than torres and kuyt! Although it wud be a nice dilema to have!!
Did that sports reporter just value luis garcia at £11m stg?
What would you value him at Uladh?
£2m, but considering he's going into the last year of his contract.... not a bean
Just because they are looking £27 mill for Torres and are willing to offer £16 mill + Garcia does not necessarily mean they believe he is worth £11million. I would quite happily get rid of him. In fairness all players have over inflated values, Carrick & Hargreaves £17 million each being prime examples.
That is extreme anti Liverpool blinkers on Uladh, he is about £6 million pound.
not a chance corn. how many games did he start for liverpool last season? there'll be noone paying any money for him.
Well his non-existant goals are worth about 10million a piece apparently!
Last year isn't exactly a fair comparison is it, considering he was injured for the whole season. Was Roy Keane, not saying they are in the same class at all, worthless after the 1997-98 season because he didn't play?
I'd say if he was on offer at around 5million the hand would be snapped off ya. Annoying yes, frustrating yes, but for performing on the big occasion in Europe he is well worth it.
Quote from: Uladh on June 21, 2007, 11:49:31 AM
not a chance corn. how many games did he start for liverpool last season? there'll be noone paying any money for him.
Its difficult to play with a busted cruciate ligament ::)
All Liverpool fans are a bunch of f**king gyppos, speciallt mooncat and charlie stubbs
thievin c***ts
I think garcia would be well suited to la liga and he is defo worth 6-8 million no matter about his injuries last season.
Whats all his talk about Forlan - wasn't he tried before in the premiership before and found lacking?? Would take Bent over him, at least he's tried and tested.
Gillett and Hicks will need to pull their respective fingers out or Benitez will be hoking about in the Bargain bin again.
And this Voronin fella, anyone know if he's up to much? How many squad players do they need??
Would agree about gonzalez - give him another few run outs, quality wingers are hard to come by.
Sounds like most of the budget will go on Torres. Is he worth it?
QuoteAnd this Voronin fella, anyone know if he's up to much?
Voronin
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Pile of Shite
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Quote from: Hitmaster on June 21, 2007, 12:31:29 PM
All Liverpool fans are a bunch of f**king gyppos, speciallt mooncat and charlie stubbs
thievin c***ts
you're gonna last long around here
Leverkusen - 92 appearances 32 goals.
Ukraine 44 appearances 5 goals.
He is shite that is all you need to know.
Uladh he was out most of last season and when he did play he actually looked like he had cut aload of that fancy stuff out of his game and was more substance. Like him or loathe him he is a scorer of important goals and suits the European game especially. Hence him being worth about £6 million.
If we were offered £6M for Garcia I'd jump at it.
Has scored some quite remarkable and important goals for Liverpool in his time but the premiership is priority now and that means Consistantly good performances. Which Garica doesn't offer. That is why Pennant is also another doubt for me. Can he take the step forward and give a high level all of the time?
This Torres offer has me worried but only because I haven't seen enough of him? Is he really worth 25m? Is he better that E'to?
If he does come in then I'd assume that's the end for Bellamy as Torres is another quick forward. I'd imagine the only reason this deal is being also to be mentioned is if half that figure ( Bellamy and Garica?) is coming back into the club from sales as the Americans aren't as forth coming as we had hoped.
Torres I think I would welcome at Anfield. Only concern I might have at this minute is that he doesnt seem to have improved any in past 2/3 years, and now that he seems to have become available you would have thought the Spanish clubs would have been chasing, which they dont seem to be.
Forlan a big no no for me. Vornin I dont know much about so cant comment.
All the talk of Bent also, granted he has scored goals in 'crapper' teams, but at £12/£17Mill a def no no. If you were going English r I would rather take a chance of David Nugent at half the price.
Gabriel I'm not here for a good time I'm not here for a long time
Try the veal its fantastic
David Nugent why? His strike rate is nothing exceptional and has no experience at the top level. Another typical over hyped British player.
Quote from: Hitmaster on June 21, 2007, 02:54:43 PM
Gabriel I'm not here for a good time I'm not here for a long time
Try the veal its fantastic
stupid **** :D
Liverpool likely to raise bid for West Ham's Benayoun
By Jason Burt
Published: 22 June 2007
Liverpool were last night preparing to raise their bid for Yossi Benayoun to £4.5m - with West Ham United keen to do a deal if they can persuade Craig Bellamy to move to Upton Park.
The revised offer from Liverpool, who had initially offered £3m, comes close to the £5m that West Ham hoped to receive for the Israel international. The likelihood is that Liverpool will eventually agree to pay especially as Benayoun is desperate to join them.
West Ham have grown frustrated with the 27-year-old midfielder after he reneged on a verbal agreement to sign a lucrative new contract. That offer has subsequently been withdrawn but it will be tabled again if Benayoun, who has two years left on his current deal, pledges his future to West Ham when he returns from holiday next week.
Benayoun has been trailed by the Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez for some time. The Spaniard came close to making a bid last summer, as did Arsenal, and The Independent revealed earlier this month that Benitez was now determined to sign Benayoun, who first came to prominence at Racing Santander before joining West Ham two years ago for £2.5m.
Benayoun had threatened to hand in a transfer request when he held talks with West Ham at the end of the season. However, it had appeared that a new deal - doubling his pay to around £50,000 a week - and reassurances that he will play more regularly had persuaded him to stay. But once he became aware of Benitez's renewed interest Benayoun informed West Ham that he wanted more time before signing.
West Ham were determined to keep the player but after losing out on Darren Bent, with the Charlton striker changing his mind at the 11th hour on a £18m move, they have turned their attentions to Bellamy. The Welsh international can leave Anfield although his £12m valuation - twice what Liverpool paid Blackburn last summer - has scared off potential bidders.
West Ham will hope that if they offer a reduced fee plus Benayoun for Bellamy, then it will help secure the deal especially as they will also increase his wages. They regard Bellamy as an ideal partner for Dean Ashton, which further indicates that Carlos Tevez is leaving.
Quote from: Hitmaster on June 21, 2007, 12:31:29 PM
All Liverpool fans are a bunch of f**king gyppos, speciallt mooncat and charlie stubbs
thievin c***ts
hear the craigavoner there, u lot invented the word theif! Charlie stubbs is alrite i like him, at least he doesn piss himsel after 4 magners
one word to describe hitmaster idiot.torres i think would be a good signing,however, after morientes i lost faith in us getting a striker to score 20 a season,voronin certainly wont
rumoured that athletico would take less than 26mill for torres! wouldn be happy with that, if rafa is goin to pay that for torres why no just pay 30 for eto'o! dnt rate torres at all!
Check out the commentry on this highlights of the '06 FA Cup Final..Brilliant ;D ;D
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Heard that about Benayoun - £4.5 million, sweet jesus.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 23, 2007, 11:15:00 AM
Check out the commentry on this highlights of the '06 FA Cup Final..Brilliant ;D ;D
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Maybe its because I watch the Fox Soccer Channel every day and I'm used to these fellas, but what's the big deal? They may have Canadian accents and dialects, but they're not that bad. If it wasn't for them, there'd be almost no soccer coverage on North America television, apart from the legendary Louth man giving us the Champions' League on ESPN2.
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2007, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 23, 2007, 11:15:00 AM
Check out the commentry on this highlights of the '06 FA Cup Final..Brilliant ;D ;D
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Maybe its because I watch the Fox Soccer Channel every day and I'm used to these fellas, but what's the big deal? They may have Canadian accents and dialects, but they're not that bad. If it wasn't for them, there'd be almost no soccer coverage on North America television, apart from the legendary Louth man giving us the Champions' League on ESPN2.
Just some of the phrases they use i find it amusing but maybe it's just me :)
I seen a report yesterday linking Cisse with a 5million pound move to Bolton.
Cisse in Atletico link
By Graeme Bailey - Created on 25 Jun 2007
Liverpool are looking to use Djibril Cisse to strike a deal with Atletico Madrid for Fernando Torres, according to sources in Spain.
The French striker spent last season on loan at Marseille and they are keen for him to return to the Stade Velodrome.
However, Liverpool have ruled out any prospect of a new loan - which could hamper Marseille's efforts.
Bolton, who could struggle to hold on to Nicolas Anelka this summer, have also been linked - but Liverpool could have other ideas as they look to bolster their own forward line.
Reports in Spain suggest Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has made contact over Torres and he is ready to offer Cisse and other players to try and land Atletico's captain.
Arsenal and Manchester United are also being tipped to mount bids for the Spanish international, but Liverpool appear to be heading the race at present.
Torres has never shirked in his commitment to the Atletico cause, but the Rojiblancos may be ready to do a deal for the 23-year-old.
The chance to sign Cisse could be tempting for Atletico, who it is claimed have also been offered the chance to sign Luis Garcia - who is on his way back from a serious knee injury.
English reports suggested Peter Crouch could be offered for Torres, but Benitez has already insisted that the England striker is in his long-term plans - unlike Cisse.
Good business if it can be done.
LIVERPOOL'S hopes of securing a transfer fee for Djibril Cisse received a boost after the player's agent confirmed Bolton Wanderers have entered the race to sign the striker.
Cisse – a £14million capture from Auxerre in 2004 – is still eager to make his loan move at Marseilles permanent, with the French side having secured Champions League football for next term.
However, the flamboyant forward's chances of extending his stay at the club he supported as a boy looked to have diminished with the Ligue One outfit's reluctance to meet the pre-arranged £8m asking price.
Liverpool have told Marseilles, who received £17.5m from Bayern Munich for winger Franck Ribery, they will only accept a permanent deal for Cisse, and will not countenance a further loan.
With the two clubs unable to reach an agreement, it has opened the door for Bolton manager Sammy Lee to pounce.
"It is true that there has been some contact with Bolton," said Cisse's representative Ranko Stojic.
"I have met up with Sammy Lee on one occasion. He impressed me, not just as a coach, but as a person."
Stojic added: "He is a fantastic man. We are meeting Liverpool next week to find out what they want to do."
Bolton are also believed to favour an arrangement similar to the one which took El Hadji Diouf to the Reebok, but Benitez will now be hopeful that Bolton's interest will force the French club's hand, as he looks to bolster his summer war chest.
Marseilles remain confident of negotiating a reduced fee for the France international over the course of the next week.
"About Djibril Cisse, the negotiations should be finished early next week," said their club president Pape Diouf
"We would prefer a loan but Liverpool want a definitive transfer.
"We are in talks about a transfer fee inferior to 12million euros (£8m). I have a lot of hope."
One player Benitez looks certain to resist the temptation to cash in on, however, is keeper Scott Carson – the subject of a £3.5m bid from Aston Villa on Thursday.
The Spaniard yesterday moved to assure the England Under 21 international, who enjoyed a spell on loan at relegated Charlton, that he still has a future at Anfield.
And Benitez has now challenged the former Leeds man to fight for a first-team place with Pepe Reina.
"I was speaking to Scott recently and I told him he will be part of our first team squad next season," Benitez said.
"He must fight with Pepe Reina now for a starting place. We knew when we fought off Chelsea to sign him he was a talented goalkeeper.
"He got some good experience last season and now he is coming back to us."
Meanwhile, Liverpool have confirmed two further pre-season friendlies against Wrexham and Crewe Alexandra.
Benitez's men will travel to Wrexham's Racecourse Ground on July 7 before facing Crewe at Gresty Road on July 14. Both games kick-off at 3pm.
Anyone else getting a bit worried about the lack of signings? It's only about seven weeks till start of new season and so far nothing in terms of World Class players
After Champions League Final i posted that i wasn't overly disapointed as i believed better times were ahead,Im starting to doubt that now
Im sick of checking the papers every morning waitin to see liverpool sign a top class player as promised and all that we get is links with other players...
Torres would need to be snapped up soon before he goes elsewhere!
Benitez's market, in general, is the Spanish leagues. They have only just finished their season, so with players obviously away on holiday for a week or 2 its obvious it may take a little while longer than maybe expected.
Patience is all that is required
fingers crossed giggler....
From the beeb:
Liverpool's hopes of landing top target Fernando Torres hang in the balance as talks continue with Atletico Madrid over the £27m-rated striker.
Atletico president Enrique Cerezo says Liverpool have not tabled a bid for the 23-year-old Spain striker.
But BBC Sport understands discussions between the clubs are ongoing and have now reached a crucial stage.
Atletico are reluctant to sell, but Torres is believed to be keen to link up with Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez.
Liverpool are reluctant to pay the £27m release clause in Torres' contract, and Benitez does not want to part with midfield man Luis Garcia, who is reported to be interesting Atletico.
Benitez wants to land Torres to provide a spearhead for an assault on the title - and also allow new owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks to demonstrate their own financial commitment to his plans.
Torres has been consistently linked with a move to England, particularly with Arsenal and Chelsea, but Liverpool are now at the head of the queue.
If he signs, he will join fellow countrymen Garcia, Pepe Reina and Xabi Alonso, as well as boss Benitez.
Atletico had earlier played down Liverpool's interest, with president Cerezo saying: "We've had no offer from Liverpool for Torres. He's on his holiday and resting.
"I repeat that there has been nothing about Torres from any team. We're now working to create a good team for the coming year."
Torres, 23, scored 14 league goals in 36 starts this season as Atletico finished seventh in La Liga.
The Spanish international's Atletico contract runs until 2009.
Torres came up though the youth ranks at Atletico and has been their leading scorer in each of the last five seasons.
Juts heard a rumour that we have signed him for £25 million, but he is entitled to 10% of a transfer fee and the two clubs are haggling over who should pay it.
Rumour as I say.
Can't believe Rafa is haggling of Garcia going the other way. In all fairness if they take Garcia we should owe them *more* cash.
Without Garcia, Liverpool would not have won the champions league in 2005, hes a player who can spark a bit of magic from midfield,and can also play behind the main striker. I can see why Benitez wants to keep hold of him.
Garcia gives the ball to the opposition more often than he does to a team mate. I will not argue that he scored a few vital goals in the Champions league, but Liverpool are trying to win the Premiership and he has been worse than poor in that competition. If he is a regular on the team , Liverpool will never win the Premiership.
Garcia will score 15 league goals this season – and we'll romp to the Premiership title by February
:D :D :D :D
Luis García,
He drinks sangria,
He came from Barca,
To bring us joy,
He's five foot seven,
He's football heaven,
So please don't take our Luis away
I used to hate Garcia. But now I do believe that he is better than Pennant, Kewell or Gonzalez. Garcia gives the ball away because he tries to make things happen - but at least sometimes he does score and does create. Overall he contributes more than the others. Still I won't cry if he goes.
I would contend that if every goal was worth +10 points, and every assist was worth + 5 points, and every successful pass was worth +1 point, with every unsuccessful pass or idiot flick being worth -1 point, Garcia would be in the red by a mile at the end of the season.
Agrred AZ, I do not think he should be near the team, but a squad player perhaps. I say this because a few games last season when he was injured I was wishing he could come on.
We are spending so much time trying to land Torres im hoping Benitez doesn't forget he needs at least 3 or 4 more top players to get us closer to winning the Premiership,All the good ones could be gone by the time we sign Torres
I knwo what you're saying Laoislad, but which other top class ones would you have in mind? All the ones in the paper outside of maybe Tevez are not up to scratch.
And don't get me started on the diving wee, thumb-sucking waste of sperm that is sangria garcia >:( >:( >:( >:(
Well Tevez would be a start i suppose,Also think we need two wingers as IMHO Pennent or any of the rest of them aren't up too it
But i hear what your saying Brokencrossbar who does he go for?
Problem is -everyone has money now and not enough quality players to sign -I can see alot of prem teams wasting huge amounts of cash on relatively average foreign players just to keep fans happy - it will be pretty much like it was 10 years ago, excpt with the safety blanket from the tv revenue
liverpool need a striker -why not go for naismith at killmarnock -not taking the p1sh -he would be good as 2nd or 3rd choice -normally I think all scottish strikers are rubbish but this guy COULD do it in england
Lads,
liverpool never do there business through the papers, so i would'nt panic just yet, the hype at the minute has been partly caused by the media.
The pool are at the same level they were 3/4 years ago with Houllier. He bought hastley and look what we ended up with. So lets give rafa a bit of time and space to get the players of real quality the we need to get us a team capable of mounting a title charge next year
Quote from: scottish-dub on June 27, 2007, 03:56:55 PM
Problem is -everyone has money now and not enough quality players to sign -I can see alot of prem teams wasting huge amounts of cash on relatively average foreign players just to keep fans happy - it will be pretty much like it was 10 years ago, excpt with the safety blanket from the tv revenue
liverpool need a striker -why not go for naismith at killmarnock -not taking the p1sh -he would be good as 2nd or 3rd choice -normally I think all scottish strikers are rubbish but this guy COULD do it in england
i have never heard worse!what is this idiot on about
5live reporting strong insider info that eto is heading for the emirates
Just what we need alright!! ::)
REDS SWOOP FOR KEEPER MIHAYLOV
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Bulgarian side Levski Sofia confirmed the sale of goalkeeper Nikolay Mihaylov to Liverpool.
The country's champions claim the under-21 international has signed a three-year contract with an option for a further two years.
Mihaylov - 19 on Thursday - told Bulgarian sports website www.sportal.bg after passing a medical: "I have no words - this is the greatest moment of my life."
The goalkeeper, who made his senior international debut in a 5-1 defeat by Scotland in the Kirin Cup in Japan last May, is the son of Bulgarian soccer federation chairman Borislav.
Quotewho made his senior international debut in a 5-1 defeat by Scotland in the Kirin Cup in Japan last May
No more needs to be said ::) ::)
Liverpool have completed the capture of Athletic Bilbao defender Mikel San Jose.
The 18-year-old central defender becomes Liverpool's second signing of what has been a quiet pre-season, after the two clubs struck an accord over a €400,000 (£270,000) fee.
San Jose is highly thought of at the Basque outfit and was expected to progress to the club's second team next season, after a series of mature displays in junior sides.
Bilbao concede they were loath to let a player of promise leave, but have wished him well as he sets about a fresh challenge on Merseyside.
"For us it is bad news, but Mikel has decided on the choice of Liverpool and it was impossible for us to fight against a European giant," read a club statement.
San Jose is now looking forward to the opportunity to link-up with his compatriot Rafa Benitez (pictured) at Liverpool.
"It was a surprise for me but I have decided to accept the chance at Liverpool," said San Jose.
"I am very excited but now I know that I have to work more each day to get in the first team."
Feck's sake. We are amassing a great minor team, but any chance of a few established players coming in?
New Anfield Design - very American-esque
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Apparently Atletico Madrid are close to the signings of Riquelme and Forlan for 21M.
Word is that the Torres deal is inching closer but that Atletico want to bring in some players in order to stop their fans rioting at Torres' departure.
Capello sacked, here's hoping that Real don't come after Benitez again cause if you believe the press he's not too impressed with the yank money men
Don't think that is it Gabriel, not being released to the 3rd of July as far as I know.
The Mali international had been linked with a summer move away from Liverpool but the player himself has denied he ever considered leaving Anfield.
After putting pen to paper on a contract that will keep him at the club until at least 2011 Sissoko told Liverpoolfc.tv: "It was never in my thoughts to leave Liverpool.
"I read about the speculation linking me with other clubs but I am already at a big big club and it's an honour for me to be able to call myself a Liverpool player.
"I feel fresh and can't wait for the new season to start. I am injury-free and although I know I'll face a battle for a place in the team as we have so many great midfielders I'm prepared to fight for a position.
"It obviously gave me a huge boost to my confidence that the manager believes in me and wanted me to stay at the club. Now I want to repay him on the pitch."
Looks like rafa is slowly gettin what he wants from the yanks, - main players committing themselves long term, a better youth policy, and we hope a couple of big signings
Love the goatee Rafa
:D :D :D :D
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 28, 2007, 05:32:54 PM
Love the goatee Rafa
:D :D :D :D
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He looks like David Blaine :D
Liverpool will pay record-breaking £27m for Torres
By Andy Hunter
Published: 29 June 2007
Liverpool are close to delivering the emphatic statement of intent demanded by manager Rafael Benitez having agreed a club record £27m deal with Atletico Madrid for their venerated striker Fernando Torres.
The transfer, expected to comprise around £20m in cash plus Luis Garcia, has been accepted in principle by Atletico and is now dependent on the Spanish international declaring an intent to leave his boyhood club when he returns from holiday on 10 July.
Liverpool officials have been in negotiations all week after being rebuffed in their preliminary enquiries for the 23-year-old who has risen through the ranks to captain Atletico, scoring 82 goals in 212 appearances for them, and has been a target for several leading clubs including Chelsea and Manchester United.
Under pressure to make their first major signing of the summer, not least from Benitez, the Anfield hierarchy have accepted that Atletico will not sell Torres for less than the €40m release clause in his contract. And, while that has been agreed with Atletico president Enrique Cerezo, the club want Torres to publicly announce his desire to leave before confirming a departure that will enrage their supporters.
For Liverpool owners George Gillet and Tom Hicks the capture will represent a coup in the face of unease at the lack of big name talent at Anfield.
In the wake of the European Cup final defeat in Athens Benitez delivered a damning indictment of Liverpool's recent transfer dealings and claimed: "We talk and talk but we never finish. I am worried about talking to players, for one or two months or even six months, and then losing them. I want things done."
Benitez had hoped to use the club's current record signing, £14m Djibril Cissé, as a makeweight in the deal rather than Garcia, who he brought to Liverpool from Barcelona for £6m in 2004 and wants to keep. However, Cissé made it clear in talks with Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry that he would not join Atletico while Garcia, who played for them in 2002-03, has warmed to the idea of a return to Spain.
Liverpool had hoped to use the Cissé fee for other transfer targets and with around £20m committed on the Torres deal, albeit in instalments, they will have to raise funds through the sale of players such as Craig Bellamy to secure Benitez's remaining objectives for the summer.
Two wingers and a defender will remain on the manager's list once, as expected, the Atletico forward announces his time at the club is over. Madrid have lined up Villarreal's Diego Forlan as a replacement.
Benitez's demand for Liverpool to invest in more potential talent has also been addressed this week, with the club signing 18-year-old defender Mikel San Jose for £270,000 from Athletic Bilbao and 19-year-old Bulgarian goalkeeper Nikolay Mihaylov on a three-year contract from Levski Sofia.
Midfielder Mohamed Sissoko has signed a new four-year deal at Anfield.
From The TimesJune 29, 2007
Liverpool preparing to dig deep for TorresOliver Kay and Gary Jacob
Liverpool have moved closer to easing the frustrations of a difficult summer by agreeing a new contract with Mohamed Sissoko and making further headway in their pursuit of Fernando Torres, for whom a club-record deal may hinge on them finding the £27 million that would trigger a get-out clause in his contract with Atlético Madrid.
Atlético have informed Liverpool that a deal for the 23-year-old Spain forward is possible, but that, partly for political reasons, accepting an offer of less than £27 million is not an option. That is a daunting prospect for Liverpool, whose record outlay is the £14 million they spent on Djibril Cissé, and for their new owners, George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, but a deal is now expected, particularly if Atlético agree to accept deferred payments on half of the fee.
Luis GarcÍa, the Spain forward, is expected to move in the opposite direction, possibly in a separate deal worth £4 million, and Liverpool are also confident of raising funds by selling Cissé to Marseilles. Negotiations with the French club could be finalised over the weekend if Marseilles increase their offer beyond £6 million.
Liverpool have also concluded a £270,000 deal to sign Mikel San José, an 18-year-old defender, from Athletic Bilbao, but a more significant accord was reached with Sissoko, whose wages will rise under the terms of a four-year contract.
Some thought had been devoted to selling the Mali midfield player, given the imminent signing of Lucas Leiva from Grémio, of Brazil, and the impact made by Javier Mascherano since his arrival in January, but all three players will compete for places next season against Steven Gerrard and Xabi Alonso, who have signed new contracts this summer.
Don't know too much about Torres, but from what is posted on YouTube, he seems to be quite an accomplished finisher, and strong as hell too. I supposed he'd want to be for the money they're talking! Let's hope he can live up to the price tag.
He's a very good player. strong and athletic he can create opportunities out of nothing. but a finisher he ain't. he'll miss a few before he scores.
Sissoko signs new Reds deal
By Mark Buckingham -
The Mali midfielder admitted at the end of last season that there was a question mark about his situation at Anfield after the January signing of Javier Mascherano.
Reports had claimed that Juventus had tabled a £10million bid for Sissoko, while Barcelona were rumoured to be showing an interest.
But the 22-year-old has now put the speculation to bed by accepting a contract to stay on Merseyside until 2011.
"It was never in my thoughts to leave Liverpool," Sissoko told the club's official website.
"I read about the speculation linking me with other clubs, but I am already at a big, big club and it's an honour for me to be able to call myself a Liverpool player.
"I feel fresh and can't wait for the new season to start. I am injury-free and although I know I'll face a battle for a place in the team as we have so many great midfielders I'm prepared to fight for a position.
"It obviously gave me a huge boost to my confidence that the manager believes in me and wanted me to stay at the club. Now I want to repay him on the pitch."
Since joining Liverpool from Valencia in a £5.6million deal two years ago, Sissoko has made over 70 appearances, but has yet to score.
With hopefully the imminent signing of Torres and the renewal of the contracts by a number of key players the future is hopefully looking good. Obviously there is still more work to be done and the need for at least one more defender, a winger and another forward needs to be addressed.
I read this morning that Tevez has turned Inter down. Hopefully Mascerhano can use his influence in the Copa to convince him that Anfiled is the place to be, sell Cisse for £6m, use Bellamy as a makeweight in the deal for about £9m worth, add another few million and Tevez could be bought. If there was a choice of 2 from Tevez, Kuyt, Crouch and Torres, it looks much healthier than previous years. Strong midfield, excellent defence, it could be a good year.
Uladh, if Manure had him you would be saying he was the best finisher since Denis Law :P
Come on BC you forgot about your boyo Vorionin or whatever his name is!! I'm sure he'll be starting every game from the sound of him!! :-\
I'd agree with the sales of Cisse, Bellamy and I'd even throw in Kewell if I thought we'd get a couple of Mill for him. Would like to see them go after a quality left winger. But I'd say after the Torres deal money will be pretty hard to come by!! So I can't see them splashing out on another forward and a left winger. More's the pity.
Sars, trust me I did not forget about Voronin ;)
I think that the way Kewell has his contract negotiated that it would be folly for Liverpool to sell him as they will get very little cash for him. If he stays fit, and that is a big IF he can be a good player for this season. Personally I would favour a top class left back and push Riise forward. He is not a great defender as he often gets caught ball watching, but he is too good going forward to leave out.
Or maybe if they got Tevez play a 3 man strike force with a three man midfield. Torres and Kuyt up front with Tevez slightly behind them.
is the Lord about to leave (fingers crossed & toes crossed)
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Cisse on verge of Marseille deal
By Paul Fletcher
Cisse spent last season on loan at Marseille
Liverpool striker Djibril Cisse is set to sign a permanent deal with Marseille despite a late approach from West Ham.
Bolton and Portsmouth were also interested in signing the 25-year-old, who cost Liverpool £14m in July 2004.
But Cisse, who spent last season on loan at Marseille, is keen to join the French club on a permanent basis.
"Marseille is definitely the choice for Djibril," Cisse's agent Ranko Stojic told BBC Sport. "I think the deal will happen on Friday or Saturday."
There are some details to sort out between Liverpool and Marseille but I think it will happen soon
Djibril Cisse's agent Ranko Stojic
Stojic added: "I have been very busy this week - I caught six planes in two days - and I am sorry for the people I have not had the chance to call back, Mr Eggert Magnusson of West Ham for example."
Magnusson, who was thwarted in his attempt to sign Darren Bent from Charlton, tried to contact Stojic earlier in the week - but Cisse had already opted to join Marseille permanently.
"The Marseille option is the best choice for Djibril because of the Champions League," said Stojic.
"West Ham, Bolton and Portsmouth I understand are very, very good clubs but Djibril wants to play in the top level of European competition next season."
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez made it clear that Cisse would only be allowed to leave Anfield on a permanent basis.
"Mr Benitez has been very, very correct," added Stojic.
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"Of course he tried to get a little bit more money for his club but I think it will be a good deal for everybody.
"There are some details to sort out between Liverpool and Marseille but I think it will happen soon."
Marseille started their pre-season training on 25 June and the player is keen to sort out his future as soon as possible so he can join his new team-mates.
Cisse, who has two years left on his deal at Liverpool, has broken his leg twice in the last three years, first in 2004 and then in a friendly for France against China last year just before the World Cup in Germany.
And after suffering such serious injuries, Stojic stated: "He is so motivated after all the problems he has had."
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 29, 2007, 08:58:11 AM
Uladh, if Manure had him you would be saying he was the best finisher since Denis Law :P
Certainly not. he's a quality player but not an out and out finisher. also, he's overpriced at £27m, but every player the top 4 buy is overpriced these days... except mascherano.
It's still less than United payed for that donkey Ferdinand
Its the same actually.
and he's not bought.... yet
Quote from: Uladh on June 29, 2007, 07:03:10 PM
Its the same actually.
and he's not bought.... yet
Maybe not but Ferdinand is still a Donkey :D
Everyone is overpriced now, Bent (£16.5 million, has the world gone f**king mad?) You have to pay top money for a striker, Hargreaves and Carrick (combined £35 mill) are attempting to set a world record for the most sideways passes in the upcoming season........
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 29, 2007, 07:50:19 PM
Maybe not but Ferdinand is still a Donkey :D
he wouldn't get on the liverpool team obviously?
Quote from: Uladh on June 30, 2007, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 29, 2007, 07:50:19 PM
Maybe not but Ferdinand is still a Donkey :D
he wouldn't get on the liverpool team obviously?
Well i wouldnt play him ahead of Carragher and it would be a toss up between Agger & Daffy Duck,he is a defender that wants to be a midfielder that is more interested in looking good than defending......
Quote from: Balboa on June 30, 2007, 10:43:04 AM
it would be a toss up between Agger & Daffy Duck
Speaks volumes about you.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 29, 2007, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: Uladh on June 29, 2007, 07:03:10 PM
Its the same actually.
and he's not bought.... yet
Maybe not but Ferdinand is still a Donkey :D
Is that why he was on the team of the year ??? ::)
According to reports in todays newspapers(so don't shoot the messenger) Gabriel Heinze could be on the verge of a shock move to Liverpool :o
Was hoping to see Torres at the Emirates so well done on that. El Niño is a talented lad though I'm not convinced Benitez will get the best out of him. Out of interest, in 2004, Reyes said:
Quote"I've spoken to Wenger about bringing in Torres this year. He's Spain's best young player and he's set to become on of the best in the world in the next few years. We can't allow another team, Man U for example, to get to him first
Fernando Torres is a world class player. His ability to use his gifts to maximum effect is incredible. He's fast, he's got fantastic touch, skill and an intelligence that makes him stand out from other great players."
Ferdinand would start for Liverpool no problem, I do think he is a bit over rated but he is still a class act and if he concentrates he usually plays as well for United as Carragher does for Liverpool.
I am happy about Torres (I know it is not official) but we are defientely paying well over the odds, Baluge says he will need a season to adapt but for that money the Liverpool fans will be expecting immediate results which probably won't happen.
A couple more youngsters signed yesterday which will surely please Rafa.
I posted a few months back that I thought Hinze would be a good buy for Liverpool. With a derth of good left sided defenders, Heinze was as good as there is out there. He had a poor season last year but form is temporary as they say, and I think he would be ideal as either an orthodox left back or the left side of a back 3.
Looking forward to seeing Torres playing and Garcia not playing ;D
Quote from: new devil on July 01, 2007, 12:10:31 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 29, 2007, 07:50:19 PM
Quote from: Uladh on June 29, 2007, 07:03:10 PM
Its the same actually.
and he's not bought.... yet
Maybe not but Ferdinand is still a Donkey :D
Is that why he was on the team of the year ??? ::)
so was evra, speaks volumes about the reliability of that system! carragher is twice the player ferdinand is
Quote from: mooncatiii on July 02, 2007, 09:29:36 AM
carragher is twice the player ferdinand is
:D :D ;D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D
€130,000-a-week, but Torres taking pay cut
FERNANDO TORRES may be on the verge of becoming the most expensive signing in Liverpool's history, but the Spain striker will take a pay cut to hasten his move to Anfield.
Torres has also indicated that he is prepared to cut short his holiday to sign for Liverpool this week, but, failing that, the Atletico Madrid forward will fly to Merseyside to sign what is expected to be a five-year contract worth about £90,000-a-week (€130,000 approx) when he returns from the Polynesian Islands in seven days' time.
Although the deal will put him among the club's best-paid earners, alongside Xabi Alonso and Jamie Carragher, it is still less than the annual €8million (about £5.4million) he presently earns with Atletico and some way short of the reputed £120,000-a-week salary of Steven Gerrard, Liverpool's highest-paid player.
Liverpool have agreed a deal in principle with Atletico, although it is thought to be significantly less than the £27million release clause stated in the player's contract.
The precise details of the deal are unclear, but it is thought that Liverpool will pay between €26-30million, with Luis Garcia, who is valued at about £4million, moving the other way.
The Torres transfer will not collapse if Garcia rejects a return to his former club, while Atletico have agreed a deal with Villarreal to sign former Manchester United striker Diego Forlan in a deal worth around €21m. The Madrid club may also swoop for Argentine midfielder Juan Roman Riquelme who helped Boca Juniors to the Copa Libertadores title while on loan from Villarreal.
Whatever the eventual cost of the Torres move to Liverpool, it will still comfortably eclipse the £14.2million that the Reds paid for Djibril Cisse, who is expected to complete his move to Marseilles early this week after the deal was held up over the weekend in the wake of late intervention from West Ham United.
Liverpool would still like more than the £6.1million fee that has been agreed with Marseilles, but Cisse, who spent last season on loan at the French club, has indicated that he wants to join only a team that can offer him Champions League football, despite initial suggestions that he favoured a return to England.
Hopeful
"We're hopeful that the deal will be concluded this week," Ranko Stojic, the player's agent, said. "I'll be talking to Liverpool again, but Djibril wants to return to Marseilles and play Champions League football next season."
Aside from Torres, Benitez is said to be confident of making another significant signing - possibly a winger - within the next week, although the identity of that person is unclear.
Benitez also wants to force through a deal for Gabriel Heinze, although the Argentina defender is thought to favour a move to Spain, while Manchester United are reluctant to sell him to their rivals. Heinze's future is unlikely to be decided until he returns from the Copa America, in Venezuela, in a little more than a fortnight.
Amid the clamour for star signings, Benitez's desire to follow the path trodden by Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, and acquire the Continent's best young players before they become established has gone largely unnoticed. Dani Pacheco became the eighth such youngster to agree to join Liverpool when the 16-year-old forward completed his move from Barcelona over the weekend.
Barcelona were reluctant to lose Pacheco, but after the relegation of their B team last season, which brought about the removal of the C team, the Catalan giants, who had already lost under similar circumstances Cesc Fabregas and Gerard Pique, now at Arsenal and Manchester United respectively, are fearful that more young players could follow suit. Liverpool will pay Barcelona about £350,000 in compensation for Pacheco, who has been likened to Romario.
Joining Pacheco at Anfield are Lucas Leiva, Alex Kacaniklic, Nikolay Mihaylov, Krisztian Nemeth, Andras Simon, Marvin Purie and Mikel San Jose, players Benitez hope will make Liverpool a force for years to come. (© The Times, London)
well what do you reckon about this Heinz swoop. I reckon he's a solid defender and despite a poor enough season last year I'd be happy enough with him at LB. I would imagine that by doing that he would push Riise up to the left wing and give him a greater chance to get forward. My only worry is that heinz looked to have lost a bit of speed last year. whether or not this was due to the WC is another matter. In the papers the day it says that he might buy out the rest of his contract at MU to allow for the move as MU are reluctant to sell him to Liverpool.
But there's talk of £4-6M. What age is he anyway?
Quote from: supersarsfields on July 03, 2007, 12:26:38 PM
well what do you reckon about this Heinz swoop. I reckon he's a solid defender and despite a poor enough season last year I'd be happy enough with him at LB. I would imagine that by doing that he would push Riise up to the left wing and give him a greater chance to get forward. My only worry is that heinz looked to have lost a bit of speed last year. whether or not this was due to the WC is another matter. In the papers the day it says that he might buy out the rest of his contract at MU to allow for the move as MU are reluctant to sell him to Liverpool.
But there's talk of £4-6M. What age is he anyway?
Thought he was quality when Utd. first went in for him. Then when he played in the Copa America rather than report for pre-season that first year I actually thought he wouldn't last gig time with Lexo. Seemed to have an indifferent season last year, then again I could just be judging him on his performance against Milan, he won't be facing Kaka every week in the premiership, plus has played well against him in any event for Argentina. Can cover centre half too. Hope the plan isn't really to push Riise forward, game lad, great shot, but I don't even think he'sa good full back, never mind a left midfielder/winger. Can't see this happening anyway, Utd. to Liverpool or vice versa, just doesn't happen? He's 29 I think.
Garcia gone for £4 mil.
Annoying as hell sometimes, but he scored some cracking goals.
Does anyone know what is happening with Gondzales, i thought he was away after the CL final to real betis, but i think he is still a liverpool player at the minute.
Torres to sign tomorrow if he passes medical today
Fernando Torres has passed his medical according to reports in Spain.
Signing for 6 seasons.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156273070703-1828.htm
QuoteLiverpool Football Club has announced that Spanish striker Fernando Torres passed a medical on Tuesday and will complete his move to Anfield on Wednesday.
The 23-year-old is expected to make the deal official on Wednesday afternoon before being unveiled to the media.
A club spokesman said: "The player has passed a medical. All the agreements are now in place and he will put pen to paper on the deal on Wednesday."
The striker has spent the previous 12 years at Atletico Madrid, the club he supported as a boy. The Spanish giants snapped him up at the age of 11 after he netted 55 goals in his first season at amateur side Rayo 13.
Three years after his arrival, Torres was named the best under-14 player in Europe following his performances in the Nike Cup. He signed his first professional contract in 1999 but had to wait until May 27, 2001 to make his debut against Leganes.
Still, at 17 years and 68 days, he was Atletico's youngest ever player. Within a week, he'd scored his first goal in a match against Albacete.
The 2001-02 season saw him net six times in 36 league appearances, helping his side win promotion to La Liga.
Meanwhile, he was still making waves on the international scene.
Torres was top scorer and player of the tournament in the 2001 European Under-16 Championships and 2002 European Under-19 Championships, both of which Spain won.
The frontman bagged 13 goals during his first season in the Spanish top flight, earning him a first under-21 cap for his country.
The 2003-04 campaign proved to be a momentous one for Torres. Not only did he score 19 goals in 35 league appearances, but he was also handed the club captaincy. At 19, he was the youngest skipper in Atletico's long and illustrious history.
On top of all this, the youngster was also called up into the senior Spain squad, making his full debut in a friendly with Portugal on September 6, 2003. The following April he scored his first international goal against Italy. He was then part of the Spain squad which traveled to Euro 2004 in Holland and Belgium.
Torres got his first and only taste of European competition when Atletico entered the Intertoto Cup prior to the 2004-05 campaign. He scored twice in five games but tasted defeat in the final at the hands of Villarreal.
The player nicknamed El Nino (The Kid) because of his youthful appearance was selected for the 2006 World Cup in Germany, where he scored three goals.
In May 2007 Torres hit the headlines when he revealed the words 'You'll Never Walk Alone' on the inside of his captain's armband during a match against Real Sociedad.
If he completes his move to Anfield as expected on Wednesday, he'll leave Atletico with a record of 82 goals in 214 league appearances.
Quotehe'll leave Atletico with a record of 82 goals in 214 league appearances.
hardly the mark of a top class striker and certainly not a 27million pound striker.
he's a good player but liverpool have over paid in a big way and i'd imagine atletico can't believe their luck.
Gonzalez is still a Liverpool player. not sure if this means Rafa has changed his mind or any possible transfer is on hold until after Copa America.
still think we need a good wide player, all talk of Malouda (chelsea) & in particular Simao have ceased.
Can see Kewell being a regular in the side this season coming, one final chance to prove himself. Seems to finally be over all his problems from past couple of years, and he's fantastic to watch if in any sort of form.
Quote from: girt_giggler on July 04, 2007, 10:47:25 AM
Gonzalez is still a Liverpool player. not sure if this means Rafa has changed his mind or any possible transfer is on hold until after Copa America.
still think we need a good wide player, all talk of Malouda (chelsea) & in particular Simao have ceased.
Can see Kewell being a regular in the side this season coming, one final chance to prove himself. Seems to finally be over all his problems from past couple of years, and he's fantastic to watch if in any sort of form.
How many chances does Kewell need? He is a bluffer, even when there was talk of him playing well a couple of yrs ago it was all relative, he was performing better than he had been at the start, so what. We need someone hungry to prove themselves, unfortunately Kewell is one of those players that has made his fortune & does not give a s*it anymore......
Don't know much about Torres but based on that info he has a knack of scoring goals at every level, which surley has to be a good sign, but 1 decent signing won't turn us into a title challanging team, lets hope a few more will follow before the start of the season, i suspect bellamy will get the road now.
Quote from: upthedubs on July 04, 2007, 10:41:36 AM
Quotehe'll leave Atletico with a record of 82 goals in 214 league appearances.
hardly the mark of a top class striker and certainly not a 27million pound striker.
he's a good player but liverpool have over paid in a big way and i'd imagine atletico can't believe their luck.
How do you know they have overpaid? We will not know for a year or two. He was expensive because he is a proven goalscorer and is young, the reason Henry only went for 16 mill is because he is 30.
QuoteHow do you know they have overpaid? We will not know for a year or two
because they paid 27 million for a striker who is not a prolific goal scorer and they could have gotten him (or someone of similar ability) for less money.hence they overpaid.
i accept that he may well end up scoring 30 goals a season for the next 8 years but that does not change the fact that if they had negotiated better they could have got him for less money.they are paying for the big name and potential rather than current ability or past performance.
Quote from: upthedubs on July 04, 2007, 11:26:33 AM
QuoteHow do you know they have overpaid? We will not know for a year or two
because they paid 27 million for a striker who is not a prolific goal scorer and they could have gotten him (or someone of similar ability) for less money.hence they overpaid.
i accept that he may well end up scoring 30 goals a season for the next 8 years but that does not change the fact that if they had negotiated better they could have got him for less money.they are paying for the big name and potential rather than current ability or past performance.
With all due respect what makes you an authority on negotiating for international footballers? How could they have got him for less than £27 million? Who could they have got of similar ability for less money?
QuoteWho could they have got of similar ability for less money?
Michael Owen. ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 04, 2007, 11:42:10 AM
QuoteWho could they have got of similar ability for less money?
Michael Owen. ;)
Injury prone & over rated. No thanks
Not even at 1/3 of the cost?
not if he misses half a season - no
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 04, 2007, 11:51:53 AM
Not even at 1/3 of the cost?
What use is a player that never plays? Do you think Newcastle have got value for money?
Fernando Torres passion was key - Rafa
Jul 4 2007 EXCLUSIVE by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo
FERNANDO TORRES' "passion for Liverpool" was the key to Rafa Benitez smashing Liverpool's transfer record to land the Spanish striker.
The 23-year-old passed a medical last night and was due to be unveiled at Anfield today.
And delighted boss Benitez said: "Atletico Madrid had better offers and the player had better offers.
"But he always wanted to join Liverpool. That was the key for me.
"We needed to work hard because there were other clubs who wanted him that we knew about - other clubs offering more money.
"But the player said straight away 'I want to join Liverpool'. He said we were his first choice and that was the key for me.
"He has taken a pay cut to come here. Okay he is still on a very good contract because he is a top player. But to be a successful club you need players with passion and Fernando has passion."
Liverpool completed a £20m deal yesterday, with the £5m rated Luis Garcia moving in the opposite direction, and Benitez added: "I am happy for everybody at the club, for George Gillett and Tom Hicks who agreed to sanction the deal and for Rick Parry who worked hard to make it happen.
"He is a fantastic player who can score goals and will work hard for the team.
"I have also seen that he is a very hard worker in training sessions.
"He has talent, but he can also improve."
Torres has finished top scorer for Atletico in each of the last five seasons, but Benitez believes the player's goals record can get even better.
"If you analyse the figures," he said, "he was a footballer playing first team football at 17-years-old and it is very difficult to score goals consistently at that age.
"Then Atletico Madrid were not a top four team and Torres was playing up front on his own.
"But if you read the comments of the Madrid supporters they say he couldn't have worked any harder for the team.
"To score the goals he has at his age, every season, shows he has great potential and he has the capacity to improve. I hope that at a big club surrounded by good players he will get even better."
Benitez also admitted that the sale of Garcia in the opposite direction had been a sacrifice.
"Luis was a fantastic player for us," he added. "He had ability and he could change a game. But it is a good move for him and his family. Atletico is a good club and we are professionals."
27 odd million was the activation clause in his contract, they or no-one were ever going to get him for any less. Most Spanish clubs have crazy prices for a buy-out clause in star players contracts i.e. Henry, Messi, Ronaldinho etc - ranging from £80M-£120M!
Reds onto a winner with star Torres'
Jul 4 2007 by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo
EARLIER this year, friends of Fernando Torres gave the young Spanish star an unusual birthday present.
It was a captain's armband bearing the logo: "We'll never walk alone".
It was meant simply as a symbol of their friendship, but led to inevitable speculation.
"My group of mates have got that logo tattooed on their arms," Torres later had to explain. "I have been told about Anfield and how special it is, but I haven't managed to go yet. I would like to, though."
Four months later and that innocently intended gift now has real sporting symbolism, with Torres set to make Anfield his new home.
But strangely the signing of a player coveted in the past by Chelsea, Manchester United and Arsenal, has not met with universal approval from Liverpudlians.
Perhaps it's the curse of the long awaited "final piece of the jigsaw".
Built up, and then let down by a succession of big money strikers . . . Stan Collymore, El Hadji Diouf, Djibril Cisse, even the other Fernando, the much maligned Morientes, some fans prefer to wait before passing judgement.
Sky TV's La Liga expert Guillem Balague, however, has watched Torres since he made his debut as a raw 17-year-old. And he has already cast his vote - Liverpool are on to a winner.
"There is one thing I think everyone is getting wrong," he declared.
"I've heard people say 'Why pay so much money for someone who doesn't score 25 goals every season?'
"But you don't need that to be a successful team.
"You need a team which can score goals and Fernando is much more than just a goalscorer.
"He is only 23 now and is still a work in progress. He's not the finished product but he is still an outstanding player.
"I would put him on the same level as Wayne Rooney and the stats bear out that comparison.
"Atletico Madrid has always been a club which relies on counter attacking football and that has been, in a way, his success and his downfall.
"Obviously he fits very well into that system because of his explosive pace and his strength, and as a result he did very well very quickly for Atletico.
"But the problem is that you can get stuck in that type of role, as Michael Owen found out.
"Fernando is much more than just a counter attacking player.
"He is a very clever player, especially outside the penalty box, and I can see him forming very effective partnerships, especially with Dirk Kuyt.
"Fernando is prepared to do the dirty work outside the box, Kuyt is more effective inside, both are hard working, both are mobile and both can drift wide to complement the other."
Torres has agreed a six year contract at Liverpool, and Balague has warned that fans may have to be patient if they are to see the very best out of Torres.
But he believes it will be well worth the wait.
"Of course he will need time to adapt," he added. "People will have to be patient.
"He has always played up front on his own in Spain. Now he will have to play a different system and in a different league.
"It might not even be his first season before we see his best. Like Didier Drogba at Chelsea, we may have to wait until the second season before he can make his biggest impact.
"But he is very clever, on and off the pitch, and he is very humble.
"People may have to be patient while he adapts to English football but I am so excited about seeing him play in front of the kind of atmosphere Anfield generates.
"The fans there will love him.
"I have spoken to Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher and they are both very excited and I am very excited too."
Balague has interviewed Torres many times – and in their last meeting, in May, there were hints that Torres was finally ready to make the break from Spanish football and move across to the Premier League.
"It is important that Spanish players go to another league," he said. "All those in England have grown as players, they are more complete.
"I love learning from the best forwards in the world. [Thierry] Henry has been better than any other player in the world.
"Until recently, people didn't talk about the Premiership that often. But for the last two years it is almost an obligation to sit down to watch the Premiership."
In recent years three of the Premier League's big four all tried to turn that interest in English football into a permanent move.
In 1999 Torres was voted best young player in Europe.
Arsenal tried to sign him because he had no contract. He got one straight away.
Rumours last summer suggested that Torres was close to joining Manchester United.
There were meetings between Sir Alex Ferguson and his representatives in Paris, but after United signed Michael Carrick from Tottenham Hotspur, the chance had gone.
Then Chelsea made representations, but Torres made it clear he wanted to stay in Spain for another season.
Now he has finally made the break – and Balague is convinced it is the right move.
"He comes from a working class family from a working class district of Madrid and he became a working class hero," he said.
"The fans of Liverpool can relate to him and he can be a big success."
Quote from: upthedubs on July 04, 2007, 11:26:33 AM
QuoteHow do you know they have overpaid? We will not know for a year or two
because they paid 27 million for a striker who is not a prolific goal scorer and they could have gotten him (or someone of similar ability) for less money.hence they overpaid.
i accept that he may well end up scoring 30 goals a season for the next 8 years but that does not change the fact that if they had negotiated better they could have got him for less money.they are paying for the big name and potential rather than current ability or past performance.
i dont they overpiad that much, the game has gone that way if you wanto to sign top players that is the sort of money you r dealing with! look at chelsea and man utd, united have defenders who cost more than that they paid 17 r 18 million each for those 2 portugese 18year olds las week then whatever they paid for hargreaves!
goin for michael owen would have been silly he has not proven his fitness and thsi team is about looking forward not going back, owen decided to leave for bigger glories and missed out on th biggest prize of all IMO his best has long since passed, Torres is 23 and has his future ahead fo him and if he scores 30 goals a season for the next 8 years then 26 million is a bargain even if he scores 15 league goals a season for the next 8 years it is still a bargain!!
Quote from: mooncatiii on July 04, 2007, 01:30:14 PM
Quote from: upthedubs on July 04, 2007, 11:26:33 AM
QuoteHow do you know they have overpaid? We will not know for a year or two
because they paid 27 million for a striker who is not a prolific goal scorer and they could have gotten him (or someone of similar ability) for less money.hence they overpaid.
i accept that he may well end up scoring 30 goals a season for the next 8 years but that does not change the fact that if they had negotiated better they could have got him for less money.they are paying for the big name and potential rather than current ability or past performance.
i dont they overpiad that much, the game has gone that way if you wanto to sign top players that is the sort of money you r dealing with! look at chelsea and man utd, united have defenders who cost more than that they paid 17 r 18 million each for those 2 portugese 18year olds las week then whatever they paid for hargreaves!
goin for michael owen would have been silly he has not proven his fitness and thsi team is about looking forward not going back, owen decided to leave for bigger glories and missed out on th biggest prize of all IMO his best has long since passed, Torres is 23 and has his future ahead fo him and if he scores 30 goals a season for the next 8 years then 26 million is a bargain even if he scores 15 league goals a season for the next 8 years it is still a bargain!!
Good point moondag, but what about Mr Kewell - you are keeping him & he hasnt exactly proven his fitness. ???
IMO, Torres is a good signing, but the scousers are still missing a poacher in front goal. His goalscoring record proves he isnt a poacher, he is more the type of player who can turn a game & make something out of nothing. In the last few years Gerrard was the only man who could do this, so he will be a huge help on this front.
If the wingers arent weighing in with a quota of goals every season then a poacher is still required
Now that Torres has signed, who else in Benitez going to go after?? Siamo? Heinze?? Mich Johnson?? All the rumours are there but action will be needed swiftly if we are to build on this signing..
Who would fans like to see leave? I for one think there is no place for Kewell, Bellamy perhaps...???
Great signing for the Pool and I for one am excited for the start of the Season to see Torres in action!!
Fullback.......At atletico he played quite a lot on upfront on his own so you are not going to get "poacher" statistics,at Liverpool he will probably benefit from a strike partner. His stats are comparable with anyone at such a young age i would think. I am not sure where the sudden uncertainty has come from about him, this time last year every top club in the world was apparentley after him, including United, maybe he needed a change of scenery.
I think we definitely need a left-winger. Even though we've lost Garcia from the right we still have Gerrard and Pennant that can play there. On the left we have two very injury-prone players in Kewell and Aurelio. An out and out left winger is needed.
Don't think we'll see any more strikers arriving.
A left-back would also be nice. Riise has never really convinced defensively and Rafa is obviously looking at this area with us being linked to Heinze (who can also cover centre-back).
Think Cisse (for around 7M) and Bellamy (for around 7 or 8M) will follow Garcia out the exit door.
Plus we have signed nearly a dozen youngsters in the past few weeks but obviously they might not be ready for first-team action for a while.
So the deal is done with a six year deal and getting the number 9 shirt. Hopefully he will do it justice and be as prolific as Robbie and Rushie.
Hinze is believed to be looking to purchase his remaining contract for £4.5m and getting that as a signing on fee from Liverpool. I think it would be a great deal as he has a lot to offer still and if Liverpool get a better left back for that money I would be seriously shocked. Can play left back or centre back, but I ideally would like him on the left of 3. For what it is worth my favoured team as it stands would be(if Heinze signed)
Reina
carragher Agger Heinze
Finnan Mascherano Alonso Riise
Gerrard
Kuyt Torres.
I think that would be a hard team to beat.
The actual fee for Torres is EUR 30 million, so thats about STG£20.5m. Garcia was sold for about £4m, so Liverpool have to give cash of £16.5m.
£20.5m is not bad at all when compared to other transfers so far this summer:
Owen Hargreaves £17m
Darren Bent £16.5m
Anderson £20.4m
Nani £17.3m
Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2007, 03:59:26 PM
The actual fee for Torres is EUR 30 million, so thats about STG£20.5m. Garcia was sold for about £4m, so Liverpool have to give cash of £16.5m.
£20.5m is not bad at all when compared to other transfers so far this summer:
Owen Hargreaves £17m
Darren Bent £16.5m
Anderson £20.4m
Nani £17.3m
Where did you make them figures up??
Anderson & Nani's fees are undisclosed, yet are thought to be £30 for the pair combined!! - Also I'd imagine this is the highest figures that will be paid for the pair, considering how how successful MAN UTD are & also themselves personally!
Not sure if this is the case with Torres if talk of the release clause is true?
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Quote from: Hound on July 04, 2007, 03:59:26 PM
The actual fee for Torres is EUR 30 million, so thats about STG£20.5m. Garcia was sold for about £4m, so Liverpool have to give cash of £16.5m.
£20.5m is not bad at all when compared to other transfers so far this summer:
Owen Hargreaves £17m
Darren Bent £16.5m
Anderson £20.4m
Nani £17.3m
Where did you make them figures up??
Anderson & Nani's fees are undisclosed, yet are thought to be £30 for the pair combined!! - Also I'd imagine this is the highest figures that will be paid for the pair, considering how how successful MAN UTD are & also themselves personally!
Not sure if this is the case with Torres if talk of the release clause is true?
I don't make stuff up! (that'd be you with your £30m ??? ).
Here's the link:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2017636.ece
What the hell has United being successful got to do with anything. ManU always overpay for players. When you've buckets of money its doesnt really matter if you get ripped off, so long as the player does a job when he comes in.
Atletico accepted an amount for less than the release clause because Torres told them he wanted to move to Liverpool, and Atletico think they're getting a good deal for Garcia.
To be fair I don't think they were getting a great deal for Garcia, would doubt they would of paid anymore, he only cost us £6 million and is 29.
£20 million is excellent business for a 23 year old striker who is tipped for massive success. He may not have a super scoring record but let us not forget he was not exactly playing with a team who would provide the best service. The £26.5 million figure probbably come from somehwere and I would expect this could be the final fee based on goals / apperances.
Did anyone see the press conference? Looks like Bellamy will be gone.
QuoteThe £26.5 million figure probbably come from somehwere and I would expect this could be the final fee based on goals / apperances.
From what I understand £20M is the final fee. I think any extra money would come from Liverpool winning Champions League or Premiership titles. In which case we'll gladly pay the extra cash.
Official interview here.
In his first interview in English football, Fernando Torres talks to Liverpoolfc.tv about signing for the Reds, goals targets and his famous You'll Never Walk Alone captain's armband.
You've just put pen to paper Fernando, how does it feel?
I am very, very happy. This was the biggest decision of my footballing life but I've come to a winning club. This is a club of champions - one of the biggest there is. I now want to play my part in that and be a champion too and help the club progress.
How much do you know about Liverpool Football Club?
Obviously growing up in Spain you are aware of all the big clubs there, but you also keep an eye on Europe, and Liverpool always catches the eye. It always did for me. I had older brothers who'd tell me about the likes of Keegan and Rush, but the first players I remember seeing as a fan are players like Robbie Fowler. My main memory is seeing Liverpool's incredible record in Europe, and I certainly followed that closely.
When did you first hear of Liverpool's interest in you?
It was just a couple of weeks ago, it's all happened very quickly. I was aware of offers from other clubs but as soon as I knew Liverpool were interested I said to Atletico: "Look, please listen to this offer." There were many clubs being banded around. Offers go directly to Atletico, so I wouldn't necessarily know about them, but as soon as I heard about Liverpool, I told them that Anfield was the only place I was interested in.
Why did Liverpool stand out for you?
I'm aware of the history and how special this club is. The tragedies that have happened have made the bond between the fans and the club so strong. Liverpool just ticks all the boxes for me. There's team spirit and a desire to win instilled by Rafa, and then there's my new teammates like Pepe and Xabi. They, as well as Luis, have always spoken very positively about life here in Liverpool. I didn't speak to them directly before signing because it all happened so quickly. I've been getting planes here, there and everywhere. My other half has spoken to Pepe's other half though. She said: "We're here for you. Let us know if there is anything you need."
Tell me about the captain's armband you displayed during a game against Real Sociedad last season, with You'll Never Walk Alone written on the inside?
There is a group of my mates, about five or six of us, and we've all grown up supporting Liverpool. Because they are all so committed to Liverpool, they've had We'll Never Walk Alone tattooed on their arms. It's changed slightly because it's a symbol of our friendship as well as our support for the club. Obviously I couldn't have that tattooed on my arm playing for Atletico, but they gave me this armband as a present for my last birthday.
Why have you decided to leave Atletico now?
The time is right because Liverpool have come in for me.
Was it a difficult decision to make?
You have certain chances in life. You can't afford to miss them because they only come around once. I've been with Atletico since I was 10, I've grown up as a person and a player there. But we haven't been getting the opportunities to play in Europe and I think I now need to take that step up.
How big a factor was Rafa Benitez in your decision to come to Merseyside?
The first time I spoke to him, I was convinced. Just to know Rafa has confidence in me and trusts me is massive. I feel honoured because Liverpool are such a big club, they could have signed anyone. I am very pleased they have chosen me!
What do you know about the fans here in Liverpool, and how much are you looking forward to playing in front of the Kop?
I've spoken to many people about it and watched many DVDs, but you can't possibly know what it feels like to play at Anfield until you have experienced it. I am dying to play in front of the Kop.
Have you set yourself a goals target for your first season?
Not really, but I suppose the first target is to beat what I got in Spain. My average there was 15.
Finally, what message would you like to send to Liverpool fans?
I just want to say thank-you, because from today, day one, people have been trying to meet me at Melwood. I've also seen some at the airport. They all seem to be behind me, so I want to say thank-you very much.
Benítez plans to carry on spending as Torres trains sights on title
James Ducker
The intense pressure that comes with being Liverpool's record signing may have claimed plenty of victims, but Fernando Torres seemed only too happy to raise expectations yesterday, the Spain striker boldly announcing that he could be the man finally to end the club's long wait for the league title.
Having signed a six-year contract worth £90,000 a week hours after flying in from Madrid, Torres was presented amid much fanfare at Anfield and spoke of his desire to follow in the footsteps of such legendary figures as Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler.
The Times can reveal the full story behind the £20.2 million transfer that eclipses Liverpool's previous record outlay of £14.2 million for Djibril Cissé, whose No 9 shirt Torres inherits, although the deal is only likely to be the first of several eye-catching signings by Rafael Benítez as the manager seeks to end the club's 17-year wait for the championship.
Benítez is also in the hunt for a new winger, possibly two, and the indications from Portugal last night were that Ricardo Quaresma, of FC Porto, could fit the bill. Liverpool are said to have had a £13.5 million bid for the 23-year-old Portugal winger turned playmaker rejected, although a slightly improved offer could be enough to persuade the Portuguese club to sell.
Alessandro Mancini, of AS Roma, and Yossi Benayoun, the West Ham United midfield player, are also thought to be targets, while the manager is also hoping to force through a deal for Gabriel Heinze, the Argentina defender, even though Manchester United appear reluctant to sell him to their fiercest rivals.
Yesterday was all about Torres, though, and the 23-year-old forward is adamant that he can succeed where others such as Cissé, Stan Collymore and Fernando Morientes have failed.
"I'm convinced it's the right decision and hopefully this will be the year where things happen quickly and we win trophies and things turn out well personally for me," Torres, whose sale sparked demonstrations by angry supporters in Madrid, said.
"I'm aware that the expectations are really high and that people are very keen to see me score lots of goals, but I'm just as keen to fulfil all their hopes and desires and I'm confident that I will have the necessary ammunition. I'm playing in a top side and that gives me the confidence to be positive about the challenge.
"I don't have any fear of this responsibility and it's not something that worries me unduly. I know that with hard work you can overcome the pressure and reach your targets reasonably well.
"The fact that they have given me the legendary No 9 shirt that has been worn by so many great players shows they have confidence in me and that brings great responsibility."
Torres had been linked with Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United and was the subject of a firm inquiry from Old Trafford last summer, but he insists that Liverpool was the only club for which he was prepared to leave Madrid.
"It was a great opportunity. It's true I have had offers in the past, but this is the very first time I've asked Atlético to listen to any of those offers," he said. "This is the first time I have been tempted to leave.
"Liverpool are a massive club and they could literally approach anyone in the world of football, so to approach me was very special."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle2028699.ece
Yes please to Quaresma. Class player.
When lads were taking the piss about how much United "paid" for Carrick they'd quote the final figure/max figure of £18.6M but now with Torres they're only on about £20.5M even though the comparable figure is £26.5M. Its gas. Still, here's hoping Liverpool don't get anywhere near paying the full fee. ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 05, 2007, 08:54:41 AM
When lads were taking the piss about how much United "paid" for Carrick they'd quote the final figure/max figure of £18.6M but now with Torres they're only on about £20.5M even though the comparable figure is £26.5M. Its gas. Still, here's hoping Liverpool don't get anywhere near paying the full fee. ;)
Wrong Seanie, the full fee is €30m, (similar to Anderson and only a few mill more than the wonder that is Nani ;) ), about £20m depending on what exchange rate you use
The Times, as posted above says £20.2m
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/07/07/05/SOCCER_Liverpool_Benitez.html
(just under £20m)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/6239286.stm
(about £20m)
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475192&CPID=8&clid=14&lid=2&title=Reds+seal+Torres+signing
(about £20m)
There is no £26.5m and there never will be. The only way Atletico will get more money is if Liverpool sell him and make a profit.
Why are you lads arguing?
Is it your money the team is spending?
stolen from another forum
Quote
Three years into his managerial reign - the Liverpool manager calls a press conference to announce the signing of a new player.
The player comes with great expectations, but no english league experience.
In fact he can hardly make himself understood.
He is however a proven international, with an impressive goal scoring record.
He has captained his club at an early age and leaves his home town fans heartbroken at his departure.
There were even demonstrations by these same fans out side their own stadium.
Some of the Liverpool fans think that breaking the transfer record for this player is too great a risk.
But he wants to come to Liverpool.
He says "Its the only other club I would have considered in England".
The month is July.
The year is 1977.
The player is Kenny Dalglish.
QuoteThere is no £26.5m and there never will be. The only way Atletico will get more money is if Liverpool sell him and make a profit.
Err, Hound - did you actually read those links? This bit in particular from skysports......
Liverpool have paid a club record £26.5million to land the highly-rated forward.
???
Who gives a feck what Torres cost. We'll prob never know the true cost. If he's a flop it'll be because he didn't score goals and cost a lot of money, £5/6m won't make a difference come next May. Judge him then and only then.
I'm more than happy to get him. For Spain he has always looked dangerous and quality, more so than he did for atheltico. In Spain only two strikers have scored more than him in the 5 years he has played in Spain - Eto and Villa. Villa wasn't seen as a the quality player he is now till he joined Valencia. He's no James Beatiie or Darius Vassell.
Its big money but in Rafa I trust. It was obvious it was Rafa's first choice, as at that money he could have bought any striker.
As a side - Tevez 7 goals last year in EPL, 27 games inc sub appearances. Dirk Kuyt 12 goals last year in EPL, 34 games inc sub appearanaces. ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 05, 2007, 02:55:05 PM
QuoteThere is no £26.5m and there never will be. The only way Atletico will get more money is if Liverpool sell him and make a profit.
Err, Hound - did you actually read those links? This bit in particular from skysports......
Liverpool have paid a club record £26.5million to land the highly-rated forward.
???
Are you winding me up or are you serious??
On that link Sky say:
"Liverpool have paid a club record £20million to land the highly-rated forward. "
No mention whatsoever of £26m.
Maybe you had the same page opened yesterday when the wrong figure was quoted. Click refresh and you'll see there is unanimity over the £20m fee.
Jaysis who gives a fiddlers f**k what he costs,once he scores 20+ a season
QuoteAre you winding me up or are you serious??
No - when I opened that page after you posted yesterday it said the £26.5M as mentioned above. When I checked it today its says £20M. Weird.
Anyway, Graham Hunter last night on Newstalk reckoned it was (including Garcia) something from £24-25.5M. If it was £20m it was great value in a market where Bent cost £16.5M. Hunter reckoned otherwise and that Athletico had done well out of it.
Lad nobody will know if its good value for a season or two.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 06, 2007, 11:44:00 AM
QuoteAre you winding me up or are you serious??
No - when I opened that page after you posted yesterday it said the £26.5M as mentioned above. When I checked it today its says £20M. Weird.
Anyway, Graham Hunter last night on Newstalk reckoned it was (including Garcia) something from £24-25.5M. If it was £20m it was great value in a market where Bent cost £16.5M. Hunter reckoned otherwise and that Athletico had done well out of it.
Guillem Balague was on saying it's a straight £20M. In fact £20.2M to be exact but let's not quibble over £200,000. ;D
QuoteHe says "Its the only other club I would have considered in England".
The player is Kenny Dalglish.
The only
other club in England????
What was the other club??
Just on 5Live that Bellend is going to West Ham. Excellent news, he should never have been allowed to darken the door at Anfield, in the first place.
Zenden is off to Marseille on a free
Quote from: 5iveTimes on July 06, 2007, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: SammyG on July 06, 2007, 02:38:33 PM
Just on 5Live that Bellend is going to West Ham. Excellent news, he should never have been allowed to darken the door at Anfield, in the first place.
Good Riddance, no place at Anfield for Cnuts like that.
sure its full of them ;D
seriously he is a scum bag
Quote from: new devil on July 07, 2007, 03:22:10 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on July 06, 2007, 02:40:30 PM
Quote from: SammyG on July 06, 2007, 02:38:33 PM
Just on 5Live that Bellend is going to West Ham. Excellent news, he should never have been allowed to darken the door at Anfield, in the first place.
Good Riddance, no place at Anfield for Cnuts like that.
sure its full of them ;D
seriously he is a scum bag
Rooney will be able to show Tevez all the best whorehouses in Manchester.....
Quote from: Balboa on July 07, 2007, 11:54:18 AM
Rooney will be able to show Tevez all the best whorehouses in Manchester.....
Good one :D
:-\
I quite liked Bellamy, did not get enough chances for me.
Did United get Tevez, would be a superb signing for them.
Happy enough to get decent money for Bellamy, i thought he maybe just wasnt good enough in the end. All this shit about good riddance cos he is a wee f**ker is enough to make you puke. Who cares about his personality as long as he is not interfering with team morale,Maradona was a wee **** too but i think you would have had him on your team. It isnt the boy scouts. Anyway decent bit of business shifting Cisse (who i dont think got enough chances as a central striker) & Bellamy to recoup some of the Torres money. Cant wait for the new season to start.
How much did Bellamy cost and how much did they recoup?
How much did cisse cost (£15m?) and how much did they recoup?
I believe we got Bellamy for 6 or 8 million? A buy out I do believe and we will probably get a similar figure back.
Cisse was £14 million and I think we are getting just over £6 million for him. Big loss there.
But every team has there big losses on players.
QuoteBut every team has there big losses on players.
Without a doubt. The more you have to spend, the more you will f*ck up in the transfer market now & then. Look at Celitc blowing most of John Barnes transfer funds on Rafael Scheit, who tunred out to be eacatly that - S*h*it!
Now Liverpool seem to have about the same dosh to spend as their rivals, it will be interesting to see how they go about spending such a budget and this season putting so much into an obvious goal-getter. If they focus their play on getting the ball to Torres to score, will they leak more? Their odds on winning the prem have shortened dramatically, however United have ploughed a different furrow by off-loading a 25+ goal man to win back the prem title but scoring just as many goals as before! Can't see any individual player on the United team scoring more than 16/18 this season as others will now be chipping in from all over the place. Intersting season ahead!!
Interesting indeed OTB.
I see Benitez said he would prefer four strikers scoring 15 more than one scoring 20, so rotation will probably happen again. Although with Torres' fee he will probably play most games and I would imagin Crouch and Kuyt will be rotated quite frequently.
Uniteds break down of goals will be close and Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez will probably end up just shy of 20. Either one could top score.
QuoteI see Benitez said he would prefer four strikers scoring 15 more than one scoring 20
60 instead of 20 - hardly a maths genius then Senor Daft-Beard!! :P
Every team will take a hit on transfer fees, Veron £27 million ! ;D ;D
I think he meant the two main strikers getting 20 each, he was basically trying to justify his reason for rotation.
Cisse and Bellamy going for £8 million each, how on Earth are we getting £8 million for Cisse?
Quotehow on Earth are we getting £8 million for Cisse?
Judging by Benitez's beard, I'd guess it must be because he's blowing the Marseille president in the public toilets somewhere! :P
highlights froms yesterday's first pre-season game vs Wrexham
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hhhs_wrexham-23-liverpool-highlights
Liverpool close to capturing Babel
By Sam Wallace
Published: 09 July 2007
Liverpool made their second major move in the summer transfer market yesterday with a bid for the highly rated Dutch winger Ryan Babel. The club were understood to have offered around €10m (£6.75m) for the Ajax attacker, who was also a target for Arsenal and Newcastle.
Babel, 20, has attracted interest from all over Europe but it seems Rafa Benitez, the Liverpool manager, wants to make him the club's second significant signing of the close season after Fernando Torres. The player impressed in the Netherlands Under-21 team who won the European Championship on home soil last month and is regarded as the best of a crop of outstanding young Dutch talent.
He has already been capped by the full Netherlands side, scoring on his debut against Romania in March 2005, while the national team manager Marco van Basten has said Babel has the potential to be the next Thierry Henry.
Liverpool already have four first-team strikers in Torres, Peter Crouch, Dirk Kuyt and Andrei Voronin, but Babel is more adaptable and can be used as a winger. Benitez has said before that wide players are his priority this summer and he seems to have lost out on Florent Malouda, who will join Chelsea this week.
Ajax have not yet accepted Liverpool's bid for Babel, but it is close to their valuation of the striker.
By Sam Wallace
The Independent
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First I have heard of this guy, hope he is not another Mark Gonzalez!!
Seen a bit of this lad Babel in the European Championships & he looked impressive.
Would be a good signing for the scousers as he can also play on the wing
Indeed he was probably the star of the recent European U21 championship. Have not seen enough of him though.
It's not fair to suggest that Fernando Torres is the piece to complete the Liverpool jigsaw.
For starters, it's a phrase that's been abused too often in the past. He's here to improve the team as much as possible, not to 'complete' it.
But make no mistake: this is, in himself, a complete centre-forward, with the potential to get better still.
And most importantly, one who changes the dynamics of Liverpool's attack.
Irrespective of his individual ability, which people will always quibble about ('is he world-class?', 'does he score enough goals?', etc), Torres is the type of player who will not only suit Benítez's system but combine unique individual talents with a mature team ethic.
Whether or not he is worth £20m is moot. If you can buy one individual who, as well as contributing directly himself, brings the best out of four or five others, then how do you put a price on that?
And, of course, what he is worth to Liverpool depends on how much he gives the club over the next half-decade (or more), not how he does in the first few weeks of the season when the critics will be hyper-sensitive.
If, in the next few years, he helps land some of the trophies that matter, that will justify the outlay. He doesn't have to score 50 goals and win the World Player of the Year, simply help the team win games. Wayne Rooney only scored 14 league goals last season, but he contributed in a number of ways to United's title success.
Reading a whole host of testimonials made in recent years by many of the the leading lights of the Spanish game –– Frank Rijkaard, Raul, Ronaldo, David Beckham –– it's clear just how highly rated Torres is.
They have waxed lyrical about him. The same applies to his ex-coaches, from youth level up to first-team bosses, and some of La Liga's retired greats.
Each talks in awed terms of Torres' pace, his power, and his skill. But perhaps more tellingly, every last one mentions at least one aspect of his psychological make-up. Because more than anything, it is this last thing that will determine just how much of a success he proves in English football, and is what gives him a much better chance than most.
He is labelled mature, determined, responsible, mentally strong and a winner. To captain Spain's third-biggest club at the age of 19 highlights remarkable personal qualities.
But to also be its local hero, talisman, and principle goalscorer, when that team lacked overall quality, speaks of an ability to handle immense pressure. While he now has the new pressure of a big price tag, he has, at long last, lost the overwhelming burden of carrying an entire club. At Liverpool, others will share that weight.
How he will fare in English football cannot be foretold –– no signing comes with a guarantee –– but what's clear is that Torres has the potential to be a legend at Anfield.
He has never worked with a coach anywhere near as good as Benítez, and certainly not played with so many top-class players at club level. He has the ability, in the right setting, to see his game go up a notch or two from his previously impressive highs.
Torres is not a player whose reputation has been founded on hard, cold figures; he was not so prolific in Spain that his stats were uttered in hushed tones, as proof of some outrageous talent. Having said that, 75 league goals in 173 games, which edges close to a goal every other game, is still a fine record.
But as regular watchers of Spanish football will attest to, he is a footballer who needs to be seen, a footballer capable of special things.
Rather than a great goalscorer, he had been a scorer of great goals. While he may never be ultra-prolific, Torres has that gift of scoring goals out of nothing: a curling shot from distance, an outrageous lob from an unlikely angle, a spectacular flying volley, a thumping header.
It's said by some that Torres misses too many chances. It's also noted that he has never hit 20 league goals, although having managed 19, that's a tad pedantic. In that sense he's like Michael Owen: his best league total for Liverpool was 19, and he was also accused of missing too many chances. But good strikers aren't afraid to miss. The best keep getting back in there, and win the team enough games when it matters. Bad strikers are the ones who never miss any because they shy away.
Torres is also someone who, like Thierry Henry, can create his own chances. And that's a priceless commodity. Anyone who can score goals out of nothing is a valuable asset. Torres runs at defenders with pace and directness (but also intelligence), and that in itself can win a host of free-kicks and penalties, and simply create panic in opposition defences.
Of course, 'panic' is not measured by statistics. But it makes defences crumble, and others can profit. Like Henry, he can drift wide to where he is very comfortable, either to pick the ball up and run infield to shoot, or merely to create space, or chances, for others.
From a tactical point of view Torres ticks all the boxes. The Reds now have a quick striker who can play centrally, either in a pair or, as he did in Spain, on his own: something that never suits smaller strikers, who can't offer the physical presence, and usually require a 'bodyguard'. It instantly limits things, if you have to include one player just to get the best out of another.
It's not so much the quantity of goals Torres will score that will elevate the team, but his ability to score the kind of goals that few other strikers can, and to offer a different threat to the Reds' top duo last season.
While Kuyt and Crouch shared an impressive 32 goals last season, 30 came from within the penalty area. But it's not just that the pair finished these chances in the box –– without fail, they either received the ball inside the box or right on the very edge. That requires accurate supply. What Torres provides is the ability to take the ball into the box himself, perhaps from as far back as his own half; or to score from outside the box with his powerful shooting.
Complete
One thing Rafa Benítez was not able to utilise during his first three years was a 'complete' centre-forward: the quick, strong and tall striker who could be relied upon to score goals as well as link play intelligently, create chances for others, work for the team and hold the ball up.
By this I mean someone along the lines of Didier Drogba and Thierry Henry, or going a little further back, Blackburn-era Alan Shearer, when at his quickest, or Nicolas Anelka, when he burst onto the scene. Ruud van Nistelrooy, when he wasn't being blown over by a gust of wind, was another. It's notable that the aforementioned players all led the line in league title triumphs.
Kuyt and Crouch remain hugely effective players and, in their mid-20s, are still improving. No one in England offers more sweat for the cause than Kuyt –– again, stats don't really measure how the Reds won games like the one in Barcelona, in large part down to his sheer leg-work –– and no other striker in the Premiership can pose the kind of problems Crouch does.
But teams are so much more dangerous with pace in attack, and either of Kuyt or Crouch would benefit from playing alongside Torres, with his ability to get in behind defences. Torres can help Kuyt and Crouch bag more goals, and that's one of the reasons he's been bought. Not to score them all himself. Thirteen of Kuyt's 14 goals last season were close-range finishes, so getting him into those areas more often will help the team. Remember, this is also a player who hit the woodwork seven times, all with fine efforts.
Also, with so many talented midfielders now at the club, Torres gives the option of an attacking 4-5-1, particularly away from home in tougher arenas, where the Spaniard can do the lone striker stuff so well, but also help lead the kinds of lightning breaks that can win such matches.
While Torres' goals record is not remarkable, there are precedents that suggest he could yet turn into a real goal-machine. There are no guarantees, of course, and there will always be so much more to his game than goals, but two of modern football's greatest goal-getters were actually far less prolific at the same stage of their careers.
Torres arrives in England a fraction older than Theirry Henry was when he started his Highbury love-in. Before his move to London, Henry had scored just 23 league goals in 126 games for Monaco and Juventus. While also sometimes utilised as a winger, Henry was not noted for his clinical finishing when playing as a striker.
In a better team, and under a compatriot and mentor who thoroughly understood him, Henry came of age at Arsenal. His career strike rate went from a goal every five games to better than a goal every 1.5 games for Arsenal.
So if that's the example of the overseas' star who came good at 22/23, you can also look at another example closer to home.
Alan Shearer showed little sign of what was to come when, aged 22, he moved from Southampton to Blackburn in 1992. While he'd just enjoyed a fine season at the Dell, he left the south coast with very similar figures to pre-Arsenal Thierry Henry: 23 league goals in 118 games.
In four seasons at the Lancashire club he notched a phenomenal 112 Premiership goals in just 138 games, followed by 148 in 303 league games for Newcastle.
This is not to say Torres will automatically follow suit. But it does show that, at 23, some goalscorers are yet to reach their full potential, and a move to a better team can help unlock it.
Luis Garcia, a great little player, will be missed. But it's a team taking on a new shape.
Harry Kewell is fit and ready, and, if his problems are behind him and he can retain his pace and power, should be like signing a new top-class player.
Andrei Voronin, who often plays behind the main striker and who can also play in midfield, is another quick and powerful frontrunner. Not an out-and-out striker, he averaged a respectable one-in-three for Bayer Leverkusen, and is someone who can fit Benítez's ideal of four attacking players sharing 15 goals each. It's clear the Reds will be a big, strong side –– but, crucially, not at the expense of skill. All of these are technically gifted players.
While the elements continue to fall into place, the opposition haven't been idle, either, and even mid-tier teams are spending fortunes. While Torres will almost certainly improve the Reds significantly, the competition for the title will be hotter than ever.
All Benítez can do is make Liverpool better, and for me, Torres is one player who perfectly fits the bill.
This article from Paul Tomkinson highlights the realities of the Torres purchase. At the same time in their respective careers Henry and Shearer were scoring 1 league goal in 5 for their respective teams. Torres is scoring 1 in 2-3 games for Athletico. If you look at these stats on their own it has me excited even more.
Jamie Carragher has confirmed he is considering his international future with England.
Widespread reports over the weekend suggested Carragher was quitting the international scene after growing increasingly frustrated at his bit-part role in the England side.
Carragher was suprisingly omitted from the England side for last month's Euro 2008 qualifier with Estonia despite a number of defenders being unavailable.
The Liverpool stalwart now believes at this stage of his career he is not a regular in the England side he may as well concentrate all his efforts on Liverpool
"There are a number of reasons why I've been thinking about this," Carragher told the Liverpool Echo.
"I first thought about it after the World Cup because I wondered how many chances I'd get for England at centre-half.
"Then when Sol Campbell was out of the picture I thought I could put pressure on Rio Ferdinand for the other centre-half position alongside John Terry.
"Given my form for Liverpool, I genuinely thought that was possible, but over the last 12 months players like Jonathan Woodgate and Ledley King have played there ahead of me.
"It's just that from a purely personal point of view, it's been disappointing because after some of my performances for Liverpool I thought I deserved a chance.
"I hoped I could come in, play out of my skin and do well enough to keep my place, not just for one game or two, but cement it.
"It was particularly disappointing for me when Rio was out against Estonia and I wasn't picked.
"I thought I'd had a good season for Liverpool, especially helping us get to the Champions League final.
"Like any player I thought I deserved to play, but not doing so made the situation crystal clear to me.
"I'm 29 now, and I have to accept if I'm not a regular starter now, I don't think I ever will be.
"It's going to be difficult for me to be seen as anything more than a squad player, and at this stage of my career that's not what I'm interested in.
"Playing the odd game here and there isn't enough. Four or five years ago I was happy to have that role, but not now."
Carragher insists his decision to consider his international future has nothing to do with Steve McClaren.
"I want to stress this has nothing do with Steve McClaren," continued Carragher.
"It wouldn't have mattered who was the England manager, I've been thinking about this for a while. I've worked with Steve for five years as part of the England set-up.
"I have a great time working with him and a lot of the England coaches. I'm just thinking about this from a purely personal point of view.
"The reason I'm delaying a final decision is because I didn't want people to think I have a bad attitude or I'm turning my back on the country at a bad time
I hope he does pack it in for those wankers, will prolong his Liverpool career. All he does is defend, maybe thats not what Mc Calren is looking for in a central defender. Maybe if he was a bit more high profile with the media, ( obvious Mc Claren is a media whore when he let them dictate that he should take the great white hype Beckham back) or if he got his hair braided or dreadlocks put in it he would be further up the pecking order.
Benitez trumps rivals with £6.75m deal for Babel
By Sam Wallace
Published: 10 July 2007
The Ajax winger Ryan Babel is due in Liverpool tomorrow for a medical with a view to completing his £6.75m move to Anfield. The deal to bring the Dutch international to Liverpool is understood to be worth up to £10m according to the success he achieves.
The signing of Babel represents something of a triumph for Rafael Benitez, who has secured one of the most highly-prized young players in European football. Coming barely a week since Liverpool's £27m signing of Fernando Torres the acquisition of Babel, 20, was sealed despite serious interest from Arsenal, Tottenham and Newcastle.
Babel has been played as an orthodox striker for Ajax but it is as a wide player that Benitez intends to use him this season. The Liverpool manager may yet move again in the transfer market for another winger before the window closes. He already has a quartet of strikers in Torres, Peter Crouch, Dirk Kuyt and Andrei Voronin and, after his attack on the club's transfer policy in May, next season's squad is taking shape.
While Babel's agent Winnie Haatrecht claimed yesterday that he was yet to negotiate personal terms for his player that is not understood to be a stumbling block to the deal. Babel was one of the stars in the Netherlands Under-21 team that was victorious in the European Championship earlier this summer but had come to the attention of the Premiership's leading clubs long before then.
Babel has already scored four goals in his 14 appearances for the Dutch national team and Arsène Wenger has been a long-time admirer. However, with the Arsenal manager prepared to concentrate on signing the Croatian Eduardo Da Silva, the Liverpool manager has taken his chance.
Having put pressure on his American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett to back him with money, it would appear that Benitez had been given his wish. When the Babel deal goes through, only Manchester United will have spent more than Benitez this summer.
Djibril Cissé has signed a five-year contract with Marseilles after leaving Liverpool.
Steve McClaren has not given up on persuading the Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher to continue making himself available for his country. The England manager has spoken to Carragher twice, and intends to talk to him again before he names his squad to face Germany on 22 August.
Carragher's decision was prompted by being omitted in favour of Ledley King against Estonia, and he said: "I'm 29, and I have to accept if I'm not a regular starter now, I don't think I ever will be. Playing the odd game here and there is not enough. Four or five years ago I was happy to have that role but not now."
Yesterday he hit back at the talkSPORT presenter Adrian Durham, who accused him of lacking the stomach to play for his place. He said: "Don't ever call me a bottler on radio with all those thousands of people listening
Quote from: Balboa on July 09, 2007, 10:25:55 PM
I hope he does pack it in for those wankers, will prolong his Liverpool career. All he does is defend, maybe thats not what Mc Calren is looking for in a central defender. Maybe if he was a bit more high profile with the media, ( obvious Mc Claren is a media whore when he let them dictate that he should take the great white hype Beckham back) or if he got his hair braided or dreadlocks put in it he would be further up the pecking order.
Its hard to argue against Ferdinand and Terry as the first choice - they're not inferior players to Carragher, even if Ferdinand's mind wanders from time to time! Carragher is right though, if at this stage he's not even going to the first choice back-up for that pair, he's probably wasting his time and energy going on international duty. Unfortunately for him, England have got a number of decent options at centre-half. Ireland were in a similar, if not better, position in the late eighties when Jack Charlton could afford to banish a top-class defender like David O'Leary to the wilderness for two years because he had McCarthy, Moran, Lawrenson (albeit very briefly) and McGrath. And its not quite up there with Alex Ferguson leaving Alan Hansen, captain of Liverpool and one of the classiest defenders in Europe, behind when going to Mexico in 1986!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJxocLDfEA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJxocLDfEA)
Fair play to Carragher
Bells out the door! funding for Babel to come in??
A bit of profit on the Bellend deal, Babel will come in and give more options going forward. I don't know whether the Heinze deal comes through but it is not absolutely necessary if Babel plays on the wing in front of Riise.
Getting fed up with no real games on, role on August!
I would imagine that this deal might change the need to get Heinz. Personally I like Riise as a wing back. Fair enough he's prob much better going forward than he is as a defender but you can get away with that in alot of the premiership games when we're trying to break down the likes of Bolton or someone who drop 10 men behind the ball.
But I suppose having heinz would mean a bit of cover for Agger and Carra.
I wonder will this mean that either Kewell or Gonzales will be out?
I'll be honest I don't know much about this Babel guy? But he's young and from the sound of it he had a great U21 Championship.
Quote from: J70 on July 10, 2007, 02:01:11 AM
Quote from: Balboa on July 09, 2007, 10:25:55 PM
I hope he does pack it in for those wankers, will prolong his Liverpool career. All he does is defend, maybe thats not what Mc Calren is looking for in a central defender. Maybe if he was a bit more high profile with the media, ( obvious Mc Claren is a media whore when he let them dictate that he should take the great white hype Beckham back) or if he got his hair braided or dreadlocks put in it he would be further up the pecking order.
Its hard to argue against Ferdinand and Terry as the first choice - they're not inferior players to Carragher, even if Ferdinand's mind wanders from time to time! Carragher is right though, if at this stage he's not even going to the first choice back-up for that pair, he's probably wasting his time and energy going on international duty. Unfortunately for him, England have got a number of decent options at centre-half. Ireland were in a similar, if not better, position in the late eighties when Jack Charlton could afford to banish a top-class defender like David O'Leary to the wilderness for two years because he had McCarthy, Moran, Lawrenson (albeit very briefly) and McGrath. And its not quite up there with Alex Ferguson leaving Alan Hansen, captain of Liverpool and one of the classiest defenders in Europe, behind when going to Mexico in 1986!
Rio Ferdinand is nowhere near as good as Carragher
Do you think there's a reason why only Liverpool supporters believe that?
QuoteRio Ferdinand is nowhere near as good as Carragher
Why don't ye start a petition?
Quote from: Declan on July 10, 2007, 09:25:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJxocLDfEA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJxocLDfEA)
Fair play to Carragher
Yeah fair play to him is right,Can't believe the presenter said Woodgate was better than him never mind Rio the Donkey
I perfer Carragher to Rio....but neither are as good as Carvalho or Terry!
This Rio v's Carragher debate will just run and run!! :D
My personal view on it is prob that Rio has more natural footballing ability. However I don't believe he uses it to all his potential. Were as I believe Carragher while maybe not as naturally gifted plays to his full potential most games.
Personally I'd pick Carragher but again i'm bias.
New kid on the block,
well we may have got Torres, but its the Austrian teenager, Besian Idrizaj that scored a 19minute hat trick against Wrexham in Liverpools first game of the new season...
p.s. all 3 came from pennant crosses!
Comparing Ferdinand and Carragher is an apples and oranges one. Totally different players and I actually think they would make a very good partnership. Ferdinand is a better ball player and is faster. Carraghers is a great general and organiser with a great ability to play above his limitations. His reading of play is better but Ferdinand strenght and speed covers his tendency to lose concentration.
Hegan, that young lad looks handy enough and if this new Academy boy lives up to his reputation then the long term future looks pretty good.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on July 10, 2007, 03:36:00 PM
From the bbc.
Liverpool are set to sign Ajax winger Ryan Babel after returning with a £13.5m bid on Monday night on the back of having a £10m offer rejected.
Have too admit i've never heard of this fella.
13mill seems alot
Quote from: Uladh on July 10, 2007, 04:02:52 PM
Do you think there's a reason why only Liverpool supporters believe that?
Trawl through some football forums. There's plenty of non LFC fans who would agree.
Personally I think Carragher is a better defender. At simply defending. Getting tackles in, blocks in, heading balls away, positioning, etc.
Ferdinand is quicker over the turf and probably a bit better with the ball at his feet and coming out of defence but wouldn't be quite as good at the nuts and bolts of defending as Carragher.
Like the man said chalk and cheese. I too believe they would complement each other perfectly. Carragher, despite starting his Liverpool career in midfield, has become an old fashioned, and very good stopper. Rio on the other hand has higher ideals for himself, I imagine in Italy you would have been a libero, bringing the ball out fromthe back and spraying passes, and his natural pace allowd him that luxury, as he always seems to be able to recover from all but the most horrendous errors. That's also why I think himself and Vidic work so well togther, Vidic been a bit of a Carragher/Stevie Bruce clone.
A defender is there to defend..That might be stating the obvious but Carra is a proper defender whereas Ferdinand is i admit more skillfull but you don't need your centre back too be skillfull you want him to defend.When the going gets tough you want someone to stick their head in where most players wouldn't put their foot.Ferdinand isn't that type of player he's all flash and relies on his speed to get himself out of trouble.
Every goes on about how Gerrard dragged Liverpool back against Milan in '05 but IMHO Carragher was man of the match that night
How anyone thinks Ferdinand is a better defender than Carragher is beyond to be honest
Is there any word of us buying a playmaker? Complete waste of time buying Torres if we dont have creativity.
Benayoun was mentioned. I would take him as at the moment we have completely nothing in middle of park to do this job.
Slated and all as he was Garcia would link well with Torres but he is now gone and was never suited fully to English game anyway.
If we dont have a playmaker by the start of season you can already write off winning the premiership as a realistic ambition..
Hate to say it but true in my opinion.
I don't think Liverpool are near winning a Premiership next year even if we sign a few more players
Hate to say it but with the signings Man Unshited have made they look odds on again
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2007, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on July 10, 2007, 03:36:00 PM
From the bbc.
Liverpool are set to sign Ajax winger Ryan Babel after returning with a £13.5m bid on Monday night on the back of having a £10m offer rejected.
Have too admit i've never heard of this fella.
13mill seems alot
He's been touted as the next Thierry Henry for a while now. Mainly I think because he moves a lot like and plays a lot like Henry does. Too early to tell though if he'll ever turn out that good but he's been the next big thing to come out of Dutch football for the past year or two. Wenger has been keeping tabs on him for a while now and everyone expected him to move to Arsenal eventually and in fairness Wenger has a fair record in spotting young talent.
Saw quite a bit of him in the U-21 European championships when he played up front for the Dutch though he has also played as a left winger for Ajax. He does remind you of Henry with his movement although I would say he's not quite as quick as Henry but he is quick. Technically excellent on the ball and like Henry he's not and out and out striker. He tends to drift between attack and midfield and drift out to the left wing.
Think if Liverpool sign him he will be used mainly on the left-wing at least for the first season.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
A defender is there to defend..That might be stating the obvious but Carra is a proper defender whereas Ferdinand is i admit more skillfull but you don't need your centre back too be skillfull you want him to defend.
Hey, but you can have both! :) Franco Baresi, hard as a coffin nail, and cynical with it, but that man could play ball!
To my mind a centre half pairing should complement each other, in a similar way that a strike pairing should. You need the hammer and the rapier. That's why to be honest I think the pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand is better than Carra and Agger. Vidic, like Carragher, is the type of guy who will stick his head in where it hurts, everytime. That's why I couldn't believe those rumours he was off to Juventus. To me it would make mre sense to compare Vidic with Carragher, and Rio to Agger, and Daniel seems to like to play ball a bit more. In that scenario Carra is a bit ahead of Vidic, not much, and Agger is behind Rio, with youth on his side, he actually reminds me quite a lot of Alan Hansen in his style of play.
was some aul craic alright hardly quit laughing all weekend,at the end i just laughed at the conditions was a clean joke.went to the bog one time myself ppl on the job 2 cubicles up,1 of my mates saw some fella lying in the muck wrote off playing with himsel.the only downsides i thought was the journey home and some complete tossers from the south who gave us abuse because we from the north!dicks all we where there was to have a good time and make new friends
wrong thread sorry
Charlie your a clown!
I seen on some fan's site that Benitez has his eyes on a Brazilian wonderkid called Gazebo. Liverpool seem to be trying to emulate arsenal's success with the kids.
Quote from: Mentalman on July 10, 2007, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
A defender is there to defend..That might be stating the obvious but Carra is a proper defender whereas Ferdinand is i admit more skillfull but you don't need your centre back too be skillfull you want him to defend.
Hey, but you can have both! :) Franco Baresi, hard as a coffin nail, and cynical with it, but that man could play ball!
To my mind a centre half pairing should complement each other, in a similar way that a strike pairing should. You need the hammer and the rapier. That's why to be honest I think the pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand is better than Carra and Agger. Vidic, like Carragher, is the type of guy who will stick his head in where it hurts, everytime. That's why I couldn't believe those rumours he was off to Juventus. To me it would make mre sense to compare Vidic with Carragher, and Rio to Agger, and Daniel seems to like to play ball a bit more. In that scenario Carra is a bit ahead of Vidic, not much, and Agger is behind Rio, with youth on his side, he actually reminds me quite a lot of Alan Hansen in his style of play.
Too be honest what you just posted is spot on i agree fully,only i hope your not saying Ferdinand is up there with the likes of Baresi
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2007, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on July 10, 2007, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
A defender is there to defend..That might be stating the obvious but Carra is a proper defender whereas Ferdinand is i admit more skillfull but you don't need your centre back too be skillfull you want him to defend.
Hey, but you can have both! :) Franco Baresi, hard as a coffin nail, and cynical with it, but that man could play ball!
To my mind a centre half pairing should complement each other, in a similar way that a strike pairing should. You need the hammer and the rapier. That's why to be honest I think the pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand is better than Carra and Agger. Vidic, like Carragher, is the type of guy who will stick his head in where it hurts, everytime. That's why I couldn't believe those rumours he was off to Juventus. To me it would make mre sense to compare Vidic with Carragher, and Rio to Agger, and Daniel seems to like to play ball a bit more. In that scenario Carra is a bit ahead of Vidic, not much, and Agger is behind Rio, with youth on his side, he actually reminds me quite a lot of Alan Hansen in his style of play.
Too be honest what you just posted is spot on i agree fully,only i hope your not saying Ferdinand is up there with the likes of Baresi
:D not likely!
Quote from: stiffler on July 10, 2007, 06:56:00 PM
Charlie your a clown!
I seen on some fan's site that Benitez has his eyes on a Brazilian wonderkid called Gazebo. Liverpool seem to be trying to emulate arsenal's success with the kids.
The great Gazebo! Heard he's top alright, could turn up anywhere in the park! ;) Right up there with Carlos Cicaball!
he plays on the left,he plays on the right,gazebo he will make you look shite!
Liverpool close in on Babel and Benayoun Jul 10 2007
by Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo
LIVERPOOL hope to tie up their double swoop for Ryan Babel and Yossi Benayoun within the next 24 hours.
Negotiations for the pair have entered a key stage, with the Reds increasingly confident of reaching agreement with Ajax and West Ham.
The arrival of 20-year-old attacker Babel appears more of a formality, with the player determined to complete the switch to Anfield for a fee likely to be around £10m.
Benayoun has also informed his club he's made up his mind to join the Reds, but talks with West Ham have proceeded delicately from the outset with the valuation of the player a sticking piont.
Progress was made during another day of tough negotiations yesterday, and it's hoped the deadlock will be broken today.
West Ham want £6m for the Israeli international.
Meanwhile, Rafa Benitez says Jamie Carragher's decision on his international future should be respected by the whole country.
Carragher will speak to Steve McClaren again before the next international with Germany on August 22.
"In any situation like this we need to think about what's best for the player, the club and the country," said Benitez, who today completed the £7.5 million sale of Craig Bellamy to West Ham.
"If the player is physically and mentally fit to play in every game, it's naturally better for his career and the country or club he's playing for.
"That's what Carra is thinking about because I know he is someone who never gives less than 100 per cent.
"Everyone knows he is a fantastic professional who wants to perform at the very best level possible in every game he plays.
"We must all respect any decision he makes, because it is certain he is thinking about what's good for everyone."
I like Benayoun,seen him a good few times now and always thought he was good
benayoun reminds me a little of garcia plays wide but in a more central role,likes get past the strrikers and can make a goal out of nothing.also less likely give ball away.im disapointed rafa haznt went for an out and out left sided winger think babel suppodsed be prodominantly a striker as a wideman though havent seen him play.
According to the BBC Benayoun has signed for 4 million
Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2007, 08:07:50 PM
According to the BBC Benayoun has signed for 4 million
Sky Sports News just confirmed it too
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2007, 06:24:53 PM
I don't think Liverpool are near winning a Premiership next year even if we sign a few more players
Hate to say it but with the signings Man Unshited have made they look odds on again
Couldn't agree more with you laoislad, Mau U signings make them odd on for the title. Only hope is that with all the forward thinking players they have bought (granted the Canadian is a defensive player) they may be top heavy upfront and may get caught on the break. Utd's title to lose.
Happy with the Benayoun deal he is the creative player we don't have.
QuoteHappy with the Benayoun deal he is the creative player we don't have.
Don't mind the Benayoun signing at all. We've lost Garcia and Zenden and Benayoun is a lot better than Zenden anyway for a start. Not sure if he'll play most of the games but after losing the above two I think Benayoun will be a handy squad player. He's good on the ball and creative. Might not score as many as Garcia but won't give the ball away as much.
Looks like Babel isn't far from signing too.
Benayoun and Babel boost Liverpool spree
By Jason Burt
Published: 11 July 2007
Liverpool will today complete the double signing of Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel as they reshape their squad for the new season. It means that their manager Rafael Benitez, following the acquisition of Fernando Torres, will have spent £42m inside a week.
Both Benayoun and Babel were due on Merseyside for medicals after their clubs, West Ham and Ajax, agreed fees with Liverpool last night. Benayoun is expected to cost £5m £1m less than West Ham hoped for and Babel £10.8m.
Benitez yesterday recouped £7.5m with the sale of Craig Bellamy to West Ham which, added to the £6m for Djibril Cissé and £3.5m for Mark Gonzalez, will allow the Spaniard to balance the books a little on his transfer dealings.
However, his signings will come as a serious statement of intent from Liverpool, especially after they missed out on one of Benitez's original summer targets, Florent Malouda, who yesterday completed his move from Lyon to Chelsea after his asking price escalated.
Benayoun has agreed a four-year deal and will be paid £45,000 a week, slightly less than the £50,000 a week he was offered by West Ham at the end of last season. However, after shaking hands on a new contract at West Ham, where he had threatened to hand in a transfer request, the Israeli decided he wanted a buy-out clause inserted once he was made aware of Liverpool's interest.
The dispute led to an irreconcilable fallout with West Ham, especially as the midfielder then threatened never to play for the club again. It quickly became apparent that he would have to leave, with the London club initially offering to do a deal involving Bellamy moving to Upton Park.
Eventually that transfer was concluded separately, with the striker yesterday agreeing a five-year deal, through which he will earn £75,000 a week, after sorting out a contractual dispute with Liverpool over a bonus payment for reaching the European Cup final.
After signing for his new club, Bellamy claimed that he had been forced to consider his future at Liverpool because of Benitez's rotation policy. " I'll be turning 28 this season so I want to start playing football now," Bellamy said. "I think I played 10 or 11 full games last year. I want to try and improve on that and play every week."
In reality, Bellamy was told by Benitez that he had no future at Liverpool at the end of last season, even though he had arrived only last summer from Blackburn Rovers for £6m. Liverpool had hoped to receive more than £10m, but West Ham were the only serious bidders.
Liverpool had offered £2m and then £4m for Benayoun, who first came to Benitez's attention when he played for the Spanish club Racing Santander, before finally coming close to West Ham's valuation after protracted negotiations yesterday.
Babel's fee is more surprising. The Dutch international had held talks with Arsenal in January, but they had decided not to bid for the 20-year-old, with their manager, Arsène Wenger, believing he was not worth the price being demanded and fell some way short of commanding a place in his first team. But Babel, who starred in the Netherlands' triumphant Under-21 European Championship campaign and is a full international, is rich in promise and can play anywhere across the forward line, although Benitez has identified him as a left-winger.
Benayoun will compete with Jermaine Pennant for the role on the right of midfield but, like Babel, is also versatile enough to play in other positions.
REDS TO LAUNCH NEW TV CHANNEL ON SETANTA
Paul Rogers 11 July 2007
Liverpool Football Club will launch its very own dedicated television channel - LFC TV - in September after signing a major three-year deal with Setanta Sports.
LFC TV will be carried at no extra charge as part of the Setanta Sports Pack, a nine-channel offering, available on satellite.
LFC TV will be included at no extra cost - the recently reduced price of £9.99 a month applies to the full Setanta Sports Pack, and there is no annual contract.
The channel will also be broadcast live on www.liverpoolfc.tv as part of e-Season Ticket, the official website's premium content service.
Although LFC TV will not be available as a stand-alone channel on Freeview, fans with a Freeview subscription to Setanta will be able to watch some of the top action on Setanta Sports 1, including LFC TV-branded Champions League and Premier League matches. LFC TV will also be available on cable via Virgin Media as part of the Setanta Sports Pack – further details to be released shortly.
For the first time in the club's 115-year history, supporters will now be able to enjoy every minute of every Premiership and Champions League game from the comfort of their own homes.
And fans who subscribe to LFC TV won't miss a thing - whether it's exclusive footage of the latest star signing or the very latest news from the club's Melwood training complex.
With LFC TV positioned right at the heart of the club, the channel's flagship news programme 'LFC Now' will have every angle covered – including exclusive interviews with the manager, former stars and, of course, the current players themselves.
With LFC TV planning to broadcast selected Reserve team games live, fans will also be given a unique opportunity to cast an eye over the emerging talent knocking on the first team dressing room door.
And for a glimpse of the future, we'll report from the club's state-of-the-art Academy on the youngsters hoping to lift trophies for the Reds after the current crop of stars have hung up their boots.
While the club's future success is paramount, LFC TV will also cast a respectful eye on the dramas and triumphs of days gone by, the bedrock on which the Anfield success story has been built.
Many of the players who brought so much joy to fans on the way to earning legendary status at the club will be regular visitors to the LFC TV studios. The expert views of former heroes – trophy winners all – will form the backbone of the channel's innovative 'This is Anfield' show – a live, interactive football forum where the big issues are debated.
And it won't just be the professional pundits who have their say - 'This is Anfield' will provide a platform for the fans to have their say. It's the perfect opportunity for supporters to put forward their views and demonstrate why Liverpool followers are rightly considered by many to be the most passionate and knowledgeable in the world.
Perhaps most importantly of all, LFC TV will demonstrate just why the club's supporters remain so passionate. It's about being part of Liverpool Football Club, a world famous footballing institution with a history that has charted 115 years of triumph and trophies.
With five European Cups, seven FA Cups and a record 18 League Championships collected since the club was founded by John Houlding on March 15 1892, there's certainly plenty to talk about.
What's On LFC TV and When
All Liverpool FC matches in the English Premier League and UEFA Champions League (not live)
At least six hours of original programming content per day, five days a week, fifty two weeks per year
Daily news round-up with all the latest from Anfield and Melwood
Exclusive interviews with the manager, coaching staff and current players
Classic matches from Liverpool's illustrious past
No less than 50% of all friendlies involving the Liverpool football team on a live and exclusive basis
Live studio discussions with former Liverpool stars, supporters, celebrity fans and football experts
The channel will raid the extensive Premier League archive, replaying some of the greatest games since the competition came into being in 1992 – that's 15 seasons of Reds action and no fewer than 285 victories to choose from. We'll also be sharing some of the greatest wins with the stars who made them possible so look out for some big, big names joining us on the LFC TV sofas.
Liverpool Football Club has never just been about the Premiership however and we'll be delving into the more distant past with some of the trophy-lifting triumphs of the Seventies and Eighties. LFC TV will revisit the glory years alongside the guys who were there at the sharp end.
If its news you're after, 'LFC Now' will be available twice a night, with bulletins repeated throughout the day - ensuring viewers never miss the latest developments.
Liverpool's weekend matches will be transmitted in the first instance at midnight on Sunday, then repeated throughout the next day and at regular intervals during the following week. Midweek games will be available from midnight the same night – and again repeated over the next few days at varying times allowing fans to watch matches at their leisure and, most importantly, at a time it suits them.
Our match previews will be extensive, with the latest word from Melwood on team selection and injury news as well as exclusive pre-match interviews with the manager and his players and, of course, the low-down on the opposition.
And after the game, our post-match analysis will be all-encompassing with our resident experts casting a critical eye on the day's events alongside the views of the Liverpool camp at the game. And you can be sure that if the Man of the Match is wearing a red shirt - we'll be looking to speak to him.
LFC TV will be available at no extra cost as part of the Setanta Sports Pack. Setanta's exclusive live content includes:
Barclays Premier League (from August 2007)
Under the new FAPL rights contract, 138 games will be broadcast live with Setanta showing 46 of them.
LFC TV viewers subscribing to Setanta Sports will receive the club's brand new designated channel plus:
Setanta Sports 1
Setanta Sports 2
Setanta Golf
Racing UK
Racing World
NASN (North American Sports Network)
Celtic TV
Rangers TV
Anybody hear Graham Hunter on newstalk this morning saying Rafa is trying to sign the Porto winger Quaresma - might not be a bad addition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9W2o5WBgb4
Liverpool have agreed a fee with West Ham for the transfer of Yossi Benayoun as the Reds also look to secure a deal to bring Dutch youngster Ryan Babel to Anfield.
Benayoun has agreed to join the Reds after rejecting an offer of a new contract at West Ham United while Babel, the star of Holland's success in the recent European Under-21 Championships, has been given permission to talk to Liverpool.
Chief Executive Rick Parry said today: "We've agreed the fee with West Ham for Yossi Benayoun.
"We're not quite there with Ryan Babel yet, but we've now been given permission by Ajax to talk to the player. We hope to reach an agreement with Ajax very shortly."
Source: Liverpool FC Official Website
Ryan Babel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGw6lgmYrzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmrdGUCP5Ic&mode=related&search=
Looks like a good player alright..
Of course he looks good - they are youtube tribute videos
Anyway I hear Unlce Tom just confirmed the imminent signings of Babel and Benayoun on Sky Sports News
He has also said that the transfer dealings will be wrapped up after one more signing but wouldn't say who or what position.
Might only be a youtube but he still done what was on it..I challenge you to make a good youtube video of Gary Doherty or Clinton Morrison.... :D
Good news about the new LFC channel on Setanta.
I've got Setanta but the premiership games are always blocked. Anyone else in the same boat?
Babel passes his medical
QuoteBabel passes Anfield medical
written by Dave Needham
on Wed 11 Jul 07 at 17:07
Ryan Babel, the Ajax and Dutch 20 year old winger has today passed a medical with Liverpool FC. The player arrived in the city late last night and undertook his medical at Melwood today.
Liverpool are expected to complete the deal for the player before the end of the week.
The reds are expected to pay around £8 million up front in a deal worth a potential £12 million dependant on appearances and bonuses.
The 20 year old plays on the left wing and places pressure on Harry Kewell. With Gabriel Heinze still one of Rafa's targets - suggestions in the media are that Newcastle will attempt a move for John Arne Riise.
Babel has moved through the ranks at Ajax to the first team and has scored 14 times in 73 appearances for the first team.
Only last month the player took part in the Under-21 European Championships and was man of the match in the final - a game in which Holland beat Serbia 4-1, Babel scoring twice.
Story by Phil Mc Nulty - BBC Sport
Jamie Carragher's public profile is low-key to the point of invisibility - light years away from the cult of celebrity that has submerged England's under-achieving national team.
So it is ironic that Liverpool defender's decision to consider his England future has brought so much attention to a player who is happy to stay well beneath the radar of publicity.
And Carragher added fuel to the fire by ringing a radio station in fury at being branded a bottler by a presenter - even appearing to suggest a good old-fashioned Scouse straightener next time they meet.
Carragher should have brushed off such ignorant and ill-informed insults.
A "bottler" does not play as he has for Liverpool and England in recent seasons - or volunteer to take a penalty in a World Cup quarter-final shoot-out when other colleagues stood back.
And a bottler certainly does not have every major club honour bar the title in his trophy cabinet.
The serious question is whether Carragher is right to end his England career to concentrate on helping Liverpool finally mount a serious Premier League title challenge.
And I believe he is.
England coach Steve McClaren's treatment of one of Europe's finest defenders has arguably been more insulting than having Carragher's courage questioned by someone specifically paid to provoke such a debate.
McClaren might just swing the idea of picking Ledley King ahead of him in the absence of the injured Rio Ferdinand in Estonia, although I would still have picked Carragher.
But the selection of Wes Brown - not even outstanding in his favoured position of centre-back - instead of Carragher as right-back was surely the final straw.
McClaren will disagree but this was a desperately poor and inexplicable decision.
And it rightly crystalised doubts Carragher already had in his mind about his role with England.
Why should he, at 29 and with limited time remaining at the top left, turn up for England and be treated in such a fashion?
And sorry, I don't buy all the hysterical 'three lions' jingoism that states that the call of your country comes above all else.
It certainly doesn't in the north of England.
Ask Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United and Manchester City fans whether country comes before club and I'd wager a large amount on the majority answering in the negative.
Sorry if this comes as a shock to some but most football fans put club before country every time.
At this stage of his career, Carragher does not need to prove his quality or worth to McClaren.
He has been doing that for years against the finest strikers in the world at home and abroad.
And he also has no need to turn up for a few five-a-sides or a McClaren coaching masterclass only to sit in the stands at the end of it all.
If McClaren wanted to send a message to Carragher that his England future was behind him, then picking Brown ahead of him in Estonia did the job.
Carragher had every right to be insulted and decide to focus on Liverpool.
England is not the be-all and end-all for Carragher. Liverpool is and that is why he has decided to channel all his efforts into winning more trophies with the Merseysiders.
This is not the decision of a bottler, it is an understandable move by a player who has made a realistic assessment of his England future.
Liverpool will be the beneficiaries, as will their fans, who would not mind another 10 "bottlers" like Carragher in their side.
Already postet..Here it is live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJxocLDfEA
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2007, 07:49:42 PM
Already postet..Here it is live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJxocLDfEA
It wasnt already posted, this is the fellas opinion (bbc.co.uk/football) on the whole affair, not the Talksport interview.
Great clip. That Adrian Durham is a smug prat. Good to see him get his comeuppance. Had to laugh when he told Carragher that he had to 'prove himself'. Arsehole.
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 12, 2007, 02:25:41 AM
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How can them lads keep a straight face looking at Rafa's Goatee?
Rumour has it Torres is a lurker on gaaboard.
He saw Gabe's tatoo and said "I'm having one of them" ;D
Quote from: stiffler on July 12, 2007, 11:34:44 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 12, 2007, 02:25:41 AM
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How can them lads keep a straight face looking at Rafa's Goatee?
In fairness its only the Spanish players who are looking at Rafa and they wouldn't laugh...its prob cool in Spain. The rest of the players are looking the opposite direction to say themselves!! ;D
QuoteLiverpool are set to sign striker Ryan Babel from Ajax after the two clubs agreed an £11.5m deal for the player.
The Premier League club have told BBC Sport that the deal to sign for the 20-year-old has not yet been completed.
But a statement on the Ajax website said: "The striker, who had a contract until 2010, will sign a five-year deal with the Champions League finalists."
Babel was a member of the Dutch team that won the European Under-21 Championship in June.
He made his Ajax debut in 2004 aged 17 and has scored 24 goals in 11 matches for the Dutch club.
Ajax technical director Martin van Geel had previously made it clear that they did not want to sell Babel and were determined to secure a good price for the player.
"Liverpool are willing to pay a huge sum for Ryan," he said. "We have told them what we want, and that's 20m euros (£13.5m). That is our price.
"We would like to see Babel play here next season, it's not for nothing that we have extended his contract until June 2010," added Van Geel.
"But if these kind of clubs want to pay us these figures it says something.
"We will see if we can reach a deal in the coming days."
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 12, 2007, 05:12:31 PM
He made his Ajax debut in 2004 aged 17 and has scored 24 goals in 11 matches for the Dutch club.
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Thats some record there! seems like a bargin!
QuoteThats some record there!
Sorry to piss on your bonfire (very topical there!) but its the Dutch league. David Connolly got a rake of goals there too!
it's more like 14 goals in 73 games
Liverpool have a new Adidas training range out but i can only find it on Liverpoolfc.tv, they are always sold out, anyone know where else to get it?
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 12, 2007, 05:20:16 PM
QuoteThats some record there!
Sorry to piss on your bonfire (very topical there!) but its the Dutch league. David Connolly got a rake of goals there too!
Perhaps so, but 24 goals in 11 matches is one hell of a strike rate, especially for a young fella.
Quote from: J70 on July 13, 2007, 12:50:17 AM
Perhaps so, but 24 goals in 11 matches is one hell of a strike rate, especially for a young fella.
if it were true...
Quote from: Uladh on July 13, 2007, 01:36:38 AM
Quote from: J70 on July 13, 2007, 12:50:17 AM
Perhaps so, but 24 goals in 11 matches is one hell of a strike rate, especially for a young fella.
if it were true...
I take it it was 11 goals in 24 games then?
Which is still not bad for a young fella, even in the Dutch league! :P
As i said a few posts above
Quoteit's more like 14 goals in 73 games
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 13, 2007, 05:38:25 AM
As i said a few posts above
Quoteit's more like 14 goals in 73 games
Was this error clarified with Rafa before he forked out the money? :P
Quote from: Balboa on July 12, 2007, 11:27:32 PM
Liverpool have a new Adidas training range out but i can only find it on Liverpoolfc.tv, they are always sold out, anyone know where else to get it?
http://www.kitbag.com/stores/kitbag_4_5/football/product_browse.aspx?cid=2330 (http://www.kitbag.com/stores/kitbag_4_5/football/product_browse.aspx?cid=2330)
QuoteBABEL SIGNS FIVE YEAR DEAL
Paul Eaton 13 July 2007
Liverpool have today confirmed the signing of Ryan Babel on a five year contract.
The 20 year old Dutch international agreed the terms of his move from Ajax yesterday and will be officially unveiled as a Liverpool player alongside fellow new boy Yossi Benayoun this afternoon.
"I was in Aruba at the end of last week when I was told to start thinking about Liverpool because a move could happen," Babel said. "I have met Rafael Benítez and my conversation with him was the moment I knew the deal would get done.
"He is like the ideal father-in-law. He has a lot of football knowhow and he told me that I would be challenging with six other players for four positions. I have a good feeling about things.
"I met Dirk Kuyt at training, who I knew from the national team. At that moment he did not feel like a rival but I suppose that is what will happen.
"It was very important how the coach spoke to me, how I would fit in his team. After that conversation I knew it was the right decision."
Babel will wear the number 19 shirt at Anfield with Benayoun taking over the number 11 jersey.
So the deal is complete. With Hicks saying that there will be one more siging before the new season starts the squad has its complete look for the season. Finnan has also signed a 2 year extension to his contract.
Depending on who the final signing is the first team looks very strong with good back up. One more defender and there will be complete cover for every position with players who have played at a very high level for a sustained period. I hope they get Heinze as he is a serious player and will be much better this year than last and can only make Liverpool stronger.
I see arbeloa has changed to number 17 leaving the number 2 vacant. Possibly for Heinze?!
be happy enough if arbeloa didnt get a number at all!def think the next signing got to be a centrre back that can play as a full back.if finnan got injured or riise i would be very worried as aurelio far better going forward.competition for midfield very strong.stevie,pennant,masch,xavi,momo,kewell,aurelio,babel. ;D
Quote from: charlie stubbs on July 13, 2007, 04:36:46 PM
be happy enough if arbeloa didnt get a number at all!def think the next signing got to be a centrre back that can play as a full back.if finnan got injured or riise i would be very worried as aurelio far better going forward.competition for midfield very strong.stevie,pennant,masch,xavi,momo,kewell,aurelio,babel. ;D
And you can put Benayoun into that midfield too...I agree about Arbeola i think he's brutal
Didn't we sign a Brazilian as well? Levia or something like that can't find any mention of him on liverpoolfc.tv
Quote from: gawa316 on July 13, 2007, 02:10:42 PM
I see arbeloa has changed to number 17 leaving the number 2 vacant. Possibly for Heinze?!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 13, 2007, 05:12:43 PM
Didn't we sign a Brazilian as well? Levia or something like that can't find any mention of him on liverpoolfc.tv
squad number 2, honest ;D
Liverpool's confirmed signings:
Andriy Voronin (Bayer Leverkusen) - Free.
Sebastián Leto (Lanús) - 2,500,000.
Lucas Pezzini Leiva (Gremio) - 6,750,000.
Krisztian Nemeth (MTK Hungaria) - 750,000.
Andras Simon (MTK Hungaria) - 750,000.
Alexander Kacaniklic (Helsingborgs) undisclosed.
Gary Makay Steven (Ross County)- undisclosed.
Marvin Pourie (Borussia Dortmund) - undislosed.
Jay Spearing (Acadamy graduate.)
Ray Putterill (Acadamy graduate).
Martin Hansen (Acadamy graduate).
Nikolay Mihaylov (Levski Sofia) -undisclosed.
Mikel San Jose (Athletic Bilbao) 270,000.
Dani Pacheco (Barcelona) - undisclosed.
Mihail Aleksandrov (CSKA Sofia) - undisclosed.
Fernando Torres (Athletico Madrid) - 20,300,000
Ryan Crowther (Stockport County) - undisclosed.
David Amoo (Millwall) - undisclosed.
Yossi Benayoun (West Ham Utd) - 4,500,000.
Ryan Babel (AFC Ajax) - 11,500,000.
When you take out the money we received for sales, its a net spend of £25 million.
Apparently Arbeloa requested the change to number 17. Its the number he wore at Deportivo and with Bellamy leaving it became free. Disagree with the previous posts about Arbeloa, I think he looks a good player.
Erm - why do people think Arbeloa is shit?
#2 is ready for yer man Kompany
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 14, 2007, 08:28:35 AM
Erm - why do people think Arbeloa is shit?
#2 is ready for yer man Kompany
He didn't play to many games last year but from what i saw of him he didn't look great..The Cheslea Champs League semi final at Stamford Bridge springs to mind
Quote from: Hound on July 14, 2007, 07:06:41 AM
Sebastián Leto (Lanús) - 2,500,000.
Lucas Pezzini Leiva (Gremio) - 6,750,000.
Mikel San Jose (Athletic Bilbao) 270,000.
Fernando Torres (Athletico Madrid) - 20,300,000
Yossi Benayoun (West Ham Utd) - 4,500,000.
Ryan Babel (AFC Ajax) - 11,500,000.
I suppose these are the signings that will be featured more often than not..Didn't realise there was almost 7million spent on Lucas Levia
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 14, 2007, 08:45:38 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 14, 2007, 08:28:35 AM
Erm - why do people think Arbeloa is shit?
#2 is ready for yer man Kompany
He didn't play to many games last year but from what i saw of him he didn't look great..The Cheslea Champs League semi final at Stamford Bridge springs to mind
Arbeloa settled in pretty quickly last year I thought he gave us options throughout the backline. 2 games that come to mind are the Barca ones where he played left back and I don't remember Messi doing much against him.
Is Kompany that fella who plays for Anderlect? Where did you her this?
Who is Leto who we signed for£2.5 mil? Where position does he play?
Quote from: gawa316 on July 14, 2007, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 14, 2007, 08:45:38 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 14, 2007, 08:28:35 AM
Erm - why do people think Arbeloa is shit?
#2 is ready for yer man Kompany
He didn't play to many games last year but from what i saw of him he didn't look great..The Cheslea Champs League semi final at Stamford Bridge springs to mind
Arbeloa settled in pretty quickly last year I thought he gave us options throughout the backline. 2 games that come to mind are the Barca ones where he played left back and I don't remember Messi doing much against him.
Is Kompany that fella who plays for Anderlect? Where did you her this?
Who is Leto who we signed for£2.5 mil? Where position does he play?
Two games against Barca yeah maybe he was ok but he had just come from the Spainish League and was use to playing against the Spainish system ...I thought he was dreadfull against Chelsea and was completly at fault for Joe Cole's goal by not tracking him back and if i remember correctly Liverpool played Portsmouth the following weekend and again he was at fault for a couple of goals
QuoteMartin Hansen (Acadamy graduate).
Anything to Alan?
Quote from: Armamike on July 14, 2007, 03:34:31 PM
QuoteMartin Hansen (Acadamy graduate).
Anything to Alan?
Nope, he's a Danish keeper!
Quote from: Balboa on July 12, 2007, 11:27:32 PM
Liverpool have a new Adidas training range out but i can only find it on Liverpoolfc.tv, they are always sold out, anyone know where else to get it?
Lifestyle in the Pavillion in Swords has a full rack dedicated to the new LFC training range. I'd say plenty of sports shops have similar
Quote from: gawa316 on July 14, 2007, 02:03:23 PM
Is Kompany that fella who plays for Anderlect? Where did you her this?
Who is Leto who we signed for£2.5 mil? Where position does he play?
Kompany - defender who used to play with Anderlecht - now at Hamburg - was injured most of last season though
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=346657
Sebastian Leto is a young Argentinian fella we signed - he's a winger
I've been watching a good bit of the U-20 wolrld cu and another of our new signings - an Argentine left back has been playing deadly stuff for them - Insua is his name
Liverpoolfc.tv
Two goals inside three first half minutes from Lee Peltier and Peter Crouch have given Liverpool a 2-0 half time lead at Crewe this afternoon.
The Reds - who have given Andriy Voronin a debut during the first period - have been on top for most of the half and could have been ahead as early as the fourth minute when Steven Gerrard curled a left footed shot against the bar from the edge of the area.
The breakthrough came after 21 minutes when Voronin's powerful drive was well parried by Crewe goalkeeper Ben Williams, but youngster Lee Peltier was on hand to fire home the rebound.
Crouch doubled the lead just three minutes later when he expertly flicked the ball beyond Williams into the back of the net from John Arne Riise's cross.
Rafael Benitez is expected to make a number of changes in the second half with Jamie Carragher and Xabi Alonso likely to be among those involved.
Is Aurelio Left or Right back, hope he is back from injury soon looked quite decent near the end of the season.
Quote from: corn02 on July 14, 2007, 07:29:51 PM
Is Aurelio Left or Right back, hope he is back from injury soon looked quite decent near the end of the season.
Left back. He's got a great left foot and can swing in a superb cross. He struggled for a large part of the season though injuries didn't help. Had a good run in the team late in the season before gettin injured again. I would definitely give him another season.
We beat Crewe 3-0 today with Crouchy and 2 of th young lads gettin the goals. Vorinin got man of the match!
There is some chat today about crouch going to man city for 20m
is that million or M and Ms!!
so Crouch 20m and Henry 16m, know where the bargin is there!!!
Quote from: heganboy on July 15, 2007, 11:43:25 AM
There is some chat today about crouch going to man city for 20m
Wouldn't sell Crouch. Well I might for 20M but he was our top scorer with 18 goals last season and even with Torres arriving it wouldn't surprise me if he was top scorer again next season.
Darren Bent went for 16.5M. Crouch is an established international so he's worth at least that or more.
Henry is a world class striker, and bent and crouch well............are not.
Quote from: Square Ball on July 15, 2007, 03:56:06 PM
Henry is a world class striker, and bent and crouch well............are not.
What's that got to do with the price of eggs?
Henry's cost was relatively low because due to his age he has no resale value for Barcelona. Three or four years there and his career is over. They won't be able to sell him on for big money.
Crouch and Bent obviously aren't as good but do have resale value.
i think that match is live on setanta, should be worth watching.
whats this about liverpool going for italian midfielder mancini??
What time is it on at?
19.15 on setanta sports1
Brilliant documentry i found on that Tvlinks website about the Olymiakis match in 2005.Worth a watch
http://www.tv-links.co.uk/link.do/9/4797/7262/48480/70717
Sorry lads....canna resist :-))
(http://chelsea2.chelseafc.com/chat/uploads/67039350.jpg)
It's only been 15 years trying to win the Premiership
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 16, 2007, 10:28:12 PM
Sorry lads....canna resist :-))
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Funny Guy :D
Pre season friendly against Werder Bremen is on Setanta this evening.
Torres debut.
Although its great to see Benitez buying some flair players, shouldn't he be spending a few pounds on some cover for defence?
Sami's been a great stalwart, but he's not gonna play a whole season. Agger is promising, but still learning. Carraghers a rock
but can he be expected to play every game this season? Heinze's an option, if he comes.
Seriously think they're short a Central defender.
Team v Werder Bremen
Carson
Finnan
Paletta
Hyypia
Riise
Pennant
Hobbs
Gerrard
EL Zhar
Crouch
Vororin
ps COOL 2000th post
3mins GOAL!!
Liverpool 1 - 0 W Bremen
Vororin :o
6mins
Liverpool 1-1 W Bremen
Shindler
13mins GOAL!!!!
Liverpool 2-1 W Bremen
Riise
You won't see a better goal all season
Classic Riise goal from a free kick
who needs Heinze?!?!
Voronin gets another - he's looking good here
3-1
Vororin
Torres has just come on
Not looking good anymore - Torres on for him
Strong team on pitch now...Alonso,Benyaoun,Torres,Kuyt,Sissoko,Agger
wheres it on?
Swiitzerland ;)
Sentanta Sports 1
Babel about to come on
Ryan Babel about to come on
3-2 now
3-1 again :)
It's 3-2 again
Full-time Liverpool win 3-2
Torres could have scored a couple of goals he looked impressive as did Babel
Not a bad match for a pre-season friendly. Voronin and Sissoko were both excellent and Torres looked good when he came on.
Voronin looks like he could be a very good buy. Looks like there will be a lot more attacking potential this year, with Torres, Babel, Benayoun and Voronin. Should be a lot more creativity and flair but another quality full back and even a centre back is needed.
United have turned down a Six million pound bid for Heinze seemingly they don't wanna sell to their rivals..I think Alex is worried about the team we have now!!!
Roll on the Premiership 8)
Don't rate Riise as a defender much prefer him futher up the pitch..I think we could do with Heinze
Why take United reject, not a good sign for me!
wouldnt say he is a reject he was the best left back in the league before he got injured then evra emerged and it was a very hard decision for fergie to push on and drop him
Evra was played because he was better, not because Fergie would not drop him. Heinze was welcomed warmly by the United fans for his no nonsense robust approach. Ferguson being the great manager he was realised Evra gave away less frees and got up the wing alot more.
I'm not too keen on Heinze. He had a great first season at United but after his injury he just hasn't been the same player IMO. Would like to see some defensive cover being brought in though and Heinze fitted the bill in that regard as he was a left-full that could cover centre back as well.
Quote from: corn02 on July 19, 2007, 07:08:13 PM
Why take United reject, not a good sign for me!
Whether or not he's a United reject is debatable, seems he wants out of the club to me, who rejected who? The questions are in that case, given his age and ability i.e. your not buying him for potential or as a squad player, is he better than what Liverpool have got in that/those position(s)? I think he is, he's a genuine left back, something Liverpool haven't had for a while, who can cover centre half. If so is there someone else who provides better value for money in the present market? It would seem that at the moment Rafa doesn't think so. Either way, it seems it's not on the cards, as Heinze didn't buy out his contract, and Lexo doesn't want to do business with Liverpool.
Lads Heinze just wouldnt go well with Liverpool, he should either stay with United or feck off to some other league! I'd say Leeds Utd would welcome him with open arms! I'd say Man Utd will win the League in 07/08 wouldnt have much hopes for Liverpool this year unfortuneatly.
As much as I would have liked to have seen someone like Heinze come to Liverpool, because he is a good player and because of the funny-to-watch but thoroughly understandable reaction such a move would elicit from United fans, I wouldn't want to see a resumption of transfers between the two clubs. I certainly wouldn't like to see a Liverpool star move the other way.
Liverpool will turn their attentions to £7m-rated Juventus left-back Giorgio Chiellini after Man Utd snubbed their offer for Gabriel Heinze. (Daily Star)
Quote from: J70 on July 20, 2007, 03:41:09 AM
As much as I would have liked to have seen someone like Heinze come to Liverpool, because he is a good player and because of the funny-to-watch but thoroughly understandable reaction such a move would elicit from United fans, I wouldn't want to see a resumption of transfers between the two clubs. I certainly wouldn't like to see a Liverpool star move the other way.
They're would have been a few over the last few years that we'd have gladly given them...Diouf,Diao,Traore :D
But it just goes to show what a strong team Liverpool have now as there isn't one i can think of now that i'd like rid of...Arbeola maybe but he hasn't really had much game time so far so will reserve complete judgement on him just yet
It seems as though the door may still be open for the Heinze deal, He was used quite effectively last year by Fergie, away from home when United wanted to keep it tight at the back more often than not Henize was played, very strong defender and although he won't give you much in the way of attacking I think he would be a great buy, If we can push Riise up the field we have an extremely strong defence, and the whole left side of the team will be very strong which i think it hasnt been over the past 5 - 6 years!
I reckon if he does go to Liverpool he'll hate it there, if hes leavin Utd he should go to some other league in some other country.
Quote from: Goin Down on July 20, 2007, 04:49:49 PM
I reckon if he does go to Liverpool he'll hate it there, if hes leavin Utd he should go to some other league in some other country.
Know him personally do you?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 20, 2007, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: Goin Down on July 20, 2007, 04:49:49 PM
I reckon if he does go to Liverpool he'll hate it there, if hes leavin Utd he should go to some other league in some other country.
Know him personally do you?
Yes I do actually, want me to say hello for you?
Liverpool's lawyers are talking to ManU's lawyers re Heinze according to the Liverpool official website.
ManU sent a letter to Heinze's agent saying he could leave if they received an offer in excess of a certain amount (thought to be £6 million). Liverpool made such an offer which ManU rejected. Looks like ManU have no choice but to change their decision and accept the offer - unless the letter has no legal weight. Could get messy if ManU fight it.
I saw Liverpool's friendly win v Auxerre. That Babel lad was dire!! Presumably he'll improve ;D
Benayoun was very good, Torres and Voronin did pretty well, but it was a poor game so not easy to judge. Young El Zhar was very lively when he came on.
Liverpoolfc.tv can reveal that Steve Finnan has agreed a new three-year deal with the club.
The Republic of Ireland international will complete the formalities of the contract when he returns from Liverpool's two-game tour of Hong Kong.
Right-back Finnan has been a Reds player for four years now, during which time he has made 182 first team appearances.
He follows in the footsteps of Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Xabi Alonso, Pepe Reina and Momo Sissoko in pledging his future to the club this summer.
Great news that we've extended the best right back in the premierships' contract
Good news about Finnan alright..
Liverpool now have best Goalie,Right back,Centre back,Centre Midfielder and hopefully soon to be best striker in the Premiership in
Renia,Finnan,Carragher,Gerrard and Torres
No doubt some United fool will come on and say they have Van de Sar,Neville, :D,Ferdindand :D,Scholes and Rooney
But of course they be talking bollix ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 23, 2007, 10:21:11 AM
Good news about Finnan alright..
Liverpool now have best Goalie,Right back,Centre back,Centre Midfielder and hopefully soon to be best striker in the Premiership in
Renia,Finnan,Carragher,Gerrard and Torres
No doubt some United fool will come on and say they have Van de Sar,Neville, :D,Ferdindand :D,Scholes and Rooney
But of course they be talking bollix ;)
foster,oshea,vidic,hargreaves and tevez then ;)
Newdevil stop quoting your own posts you plank.
sorry rocky wont happen again :-\
Will Setanta be showing all of the liverpool games live or will it be delayed coverage
The LFC Channel will show all games delayed, not live. There are a good few Liverpool games on Setanta 1 live as well though.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 23, 2007, 10:21:11 AM
Liverpool now have best Goalie
Even as a 'Pool fan myself I'd have to take issue with you here. Cech is a far better keeper. I get an attack of the shkitters every time he comes out for a cross. Great shot stopper but slightly prone to mad cap dashes, punches too often and has yet to be fully tested behind a team not set up to play conservatively.
Wouldn't argue with you on the rest though. ;)
It seems to me that this boyo Vororin has made quite an impact in pre-season. maybe he'll not be as bad as alot of us were predicting!!
He'll be a good back-up striker
that South China free kick :o :o :o :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UobVWk7nEWI
Finished 3 - 1. Agger got the 3rd
Agger is quickly turning into on the the best CB in the Premiership
Kudos to the man who signed him
Just saw the goals from todays match..f**k me Riise's free kick was unreal :o
As good as the one he scored against the Scum a few years ago
he driv the ball straight through the wall from 20 yards. big fcukin wow
Quote from: Uladh on July 24, 2007, 08:59:29 PM
he driv the ball straight through the wall from 20 yards. big fcukin wow
::)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2lzs1_liverpool-1-0-south-china-riise_sport
Brilliant :o
And here's a goal that was quite similar(edited to keep 5ive Times happy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FlplfGTpY&mode=related&search=
Not winding anyone up I just posted that i thought Riise's goal was excellent
This is a Liverpool Thread isn't it??
??? ;)
So after a few pre seasons games, what would you consider Liverpool's strongest XI be? I would go for:
Reina
Finnan
Carragher
Agger
Riise
Pennant
Alonso
Masherano
Babel
Gerard
Torres
I think Pennant showed enough in the last 10 games of last season to warrant a position in the strongest 11.
I hear what your saying about the 4-4-1-1 formation, not a great fan of it myself, but i feel it would be hard to leave alonso out of the team. Its hard to know who is going to be the ideal partner for Torres, but I suppose there still is time with plenty of friendlies left before the real action starts
Would you not have stevie g in before Masherano stiffler
Of course Stevie has to play, and its fair to say that he plays better in the central role. its just liverpool have alot of talent in the middle of the pitch, very hard to choose between mascherano/alonso/sissoko/Lucas. Thats why i suggested playin Xabi and Javier central with Stevie G pushed on forward
I think Kuyt and Torres would be a good partnership. Is Kuyt injured or anything, havnt heard much about him in a while. I still cant see liverpool winning the premiership to be honest though.
Na hes not injured, played the 2nd half today and looked lively. Don't think he scores enough goals, however he could be a new player playing alongside El Nino.
Strongest Liverpool Squad in 20 years. The only trouble with that is the oppostion are stronger than they have been in the last 20 years also.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on July 25, 2007, 05:57:41 AM
I like the looks of Voronin
Do you usually go for the eastern European pony tailed porn stars? ;)
i see that we are being linked with a defensive midfielder garcia from real madrid on skysports.com cant understand the logic especially when we require a defender and or left back(heinze).in regards to the strongest side think the keeper and back four pick themselves, i think we need 2 up front as against the bigger teams we w ill struggle for goals with 4-4-1-1. gerrard would be the only real threat running in2 the box.i agree with stiflers thoughts on pennant.good towardss end of season and has been doing well this preseason.mascherano has to play and io would say the same for alonso.babel would be expected to start as we dont have much else in that department.kuyts work ethic real impresses me but crouch causes more problems imo.torres will obviously start the big games.
It is near impossible to pick our best team, but at the minute I would go for
Reina
Finnan, Carra, Agger, Riise
Gerrard, Alonso, Masch, Babel
Torres, Kuyt
The main thing is though we can change our team in so many different ways. Pennant can come in on the right for a more orthodox winger, Benayoun can play right/left/behind main striker, Crouch can be used as a target player, Sissoko brings energy, of what I've seen in pre-season Vorinen is a valuable addition who again brings something different. The options and strength in depth are there so here's hoping for the season
Jeez Louise, have yis all missed the pre-season games?
No chance of Babel being ahead of Benayoun or Kewell based on performances so far. Yossi and Harry didnt do a whole heap yesterday, but still far better than what Babel did when he played. And Benayoun was very good against Auxerre and good against Bremen. Of course, presumably Babel will improve when he settles in, and all three will see their fair share of action.
For the Chelsea game which is early in the season, I think we'll see Gerrard and Pennant on the wings, with Torres and Kuyt up-front.
Arbeloa is going to be putting a lot of pressure on Finnan and Riise this year.
New stadium plans revealed today.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156481070725-1100.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156481070725-1100.htm)
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2007/edit-0707-STADIUM-ex2.jpg)
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2007/edit-0707-STADIUM-in1.jpg)
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/newstadium/images/2007/edit-0707-STADIUM-ex1.jpg)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I like it. At least it doesn't look like it came out of an IKEA flatpack box like nearly all the modern stadia like City of Manchester, Emirates, etc. They all look the same.
Bit of individuality about it. Especially with the huge new Kop end.
State of the art.... looks unreal
O my god.
:D
Jesus Uladh I never seen that coming. ::)
Looks class, the Kop is huge.
Two points though:
- Why are the stands as far away from the pitch?
- why does it look like a 5 year old drew the plans?
Jaysis lads i think it's awful i really do and im a Liverpool fan
ok a few things- first of all the design you see is for 60,000 and has been submitted for planning approval, the reason its is looks like that is that it has been built to accommodate another 18,000 seats. The transportation infrastructure isnt there to support more and there is work being undertaken to re-open the Bootle branch of the local train system. When that is done the new 78,000 plan gets submitted.
This Utd carry on regarding Heinze is becoming a farce. Cant see them not being able to stop Heinze moving to Anfield when it all gets sorted out. Will Liverpool have the patience to hang on til a solution is reached?
Which got me thinking,we need a left back & from what Ive saw of Leighton Baines (wigan) he seems a good player & alot of years ahead of him to improve further. Sound defensively it seems, superb left foot, eye for goal & available at in and around the same price.
I think we will get Heinze in the end, and he would be my preference but feel Baines could be a reasonable alternative.
Rant over
I like th look of the new stadium, i think its unique and looks like no other stadium ive seen which is exactly what liverpool is all about!
in relation to other comments i seen, i think liverpool have a realistic chance of the title this season the key will be gettting a good start this has consistently let us down! i think the players benitez has brought in have been very good buys they r all young and will be with th club for a number of years which at this time is important as there may not be much money to spend the next few seasons with the new stadium. so in a way the pressure is on because if this squad doesn't get it right there may not be the £40 million next summer to bring in more players
Quote from: corn02 on July 25, 2007, 01:32:42 PM
Jesus Uladh I never seen that coming. ::)
Looks class, the Kop is huge.
Two points though:
- Why are the stands as far away from the pitch?- why does it look like a 5 year old drew the plans?
They don't appear to be far away from the pitch at all to me. In the original plans for the new stadium which was a more oval shaped structure they deemd it too far away from the pitch & very 'un-Anfield' like, hence why new designs were made. If you read Parry's comments on the website it tells you as far as i remember
At the end of the day all that really matters in a new stadium is
A. Facilities
B. Capacity
C. Atmosphere
What the stadium looks like from the outside is largely irrelevant. Anfield isn't much to look at from the outside, neither is Celtic Park or even the Nou Camp. It's what's inside the stadium that matters.
would agree with the theory that baines is a good player,but i think rafa needs someone who can cover both centre half and left back.at min we are in big trouble imo if riise gets injured or either carra or agger and if finnan gets injured wouldnt be overly fussed on arbeloa.think we slept in bigtime getting woodgate on loan last summer or just this summer would been a great signing,but injury prone.think benayoun,babel,kewell and aurelio will be constantly changed on the left esp if the reports of babel in pre-season are correct,though the lad needs time!hads anyone saw much of lucas?will he be pushing for a position in midfield?would nneed be good as we have four top notch central midfielders at min
In Rafa We Trust... I reckon he has someone in mind in case the Heinze deal falls through.
Quote from: stiffler on July 25, 2007, 06:49:17 PM
In Rafa We Trust... I reckon he has someone in mind in case the Heinze deal falls through.
Gary Kelly has left Leeds.......Maybe him :P
AZ will be happy
Stick the Kop in where "The Red Zone" section is and you'll get a good impression of what it'll look like - if and when the corners get filled in
(http://www.azcentral.com/ent/calendar/venues/pics/cardsstadium.jpg)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 21, 2007, 02:33:45 PM
QuoteAnd this Voronin fella, anyone know if he's up to much?
Voronin
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/66736_1453_by_timcn.jpg)
Pile of Shite
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/r83215_242504.jpg)
what was that LaoisLad?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 25, 2007, 08:55:07 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 21, 2007, 02:33:45 PM
QuoteAnd this Voronin fella, anyone know if he's up to much?
Voronin
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/66736_1453_by_timcn.jpg)
Pile of Shite
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/r83215_242504.jpg)
what was that LaoisLad?
A few good performances against teams like South China ::)...I wouldn't get carried away yet
But for the good of the team i hope i am wrong about him for once i wouldn't mind to be proved wrong
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/Liamardo/AerialStadiumSouthEast.jpg)
Gabriel that artists impression would make you think the new stadium is going to be in Phoenix, i have never seen Liverpool look like that !
That's architects for ya
There isn't that much grass in Phoenix, unless you count the golf courses. Is the new Liverpool design based on the Cardinal's stadium?
It was a different firm that did it.
the firm that are doing Stanley Park are doing the Cowboys ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys_New_Stadium ) and Colts ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucas_Oil_Stadium) new stadiums at the minute
I like the Cowboys stadium,The other one looks like a cross between a stadium and B&Q
Heinze brings in Liverpool's legal team
Daniel Taylor
Friday July 27, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
Gabriel Heinze has defied Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United by taking the extraordinary step of employing Liverpool's legal advisers to secure what would be a controversial and highly acrimonious move to Anfield.
Heinze is so desperate to quit United he has appointed Richard Green, a partner at the Liverpool office of Hill Dickinson. Green specialises in working on legal cases for Liverpool and, acting on behalf of Heinze, he has instructed Andrew Green of the London-based Blackstone Chambers. It represents a hostile move on Heinze's part and United have indicated they are willing to fight him all the way, bringing in their own solicitors, Brabners Chaffe Street, to fight their case.
The latest development in what is becoming a major political dispute effectively makes Heinze's position at Old Trafford untenable, even if he does not get the transfer he craves, and will seriously damage his standing among United's supporters. On Wednesday Ferguson appealed for the Argentina international to show some loyalty to the club, pointing out the favourable treatment he received when recovering from a serious knee injury in the 2005-06 season. Instead Heinze has made it clear he wants to join their most despised rivals and that he will not tolerate staying at a club where Patrice Evra is now regarded as the first-choice left-back.
His action is on the grounds that United had allegedly agreed in writing to sell him to any club that matched their valuation of £6m. Liverpool submitted that bid last week but United refused to do business with their old foes. Heinze has two years remaining on his contract and United's lawyers will argue that he must honour his present deal.
This could be interesting. I would be pleased if Heinze came we need cover for centre half which he would provide and also he would fight it out with Riise for the left back slot but the main reason would be to piss off that ferguson ****!
not to sure if i want heinze riise is doin well in preseason but as you say he would provide good cover and an excellent replacement and if it pisses of the hoor ferguson then all the better!
Well it means that he won't be staying at United anyway. There is no way he'd be accepted by the fans now. I dare say Sir Alex will start flaunting him around some of the european teams now.
anyone know if the match is on sky or setanta today?
this carry on with heinze is turning out to be a nightmare,hope this does not turn out the same way as things did for ziege,after all the hassle liverpool went through to get him he was a real let down
Heinze is so much better than riise ffs. for a start, he has positional sense and can tackle. he can also head the ball without closing his eyes.
You think Heinze is going to leave the champions because he may only start less than half their games to go to a team who has never won the the premiership since its inception and sit on the bench?
Obviously he'd be a cert starter for the bin dippers and riise would hav to fight it out for the left side birth while covering left back.
Maybe he's bored of the domestic medals and fancies trying to get a european one Uladh. And sure he knows that's never going to happen at OT.
think heinze is the best left back in the league to be honest.like his no nonsense approach, think riise can be a bit suspect defensively at times and maybe better option on left of midfield.the fact that he is equally able at centre half and plays there for the national team makes me feel he would be a good purchase
Not pushed about Heinze to be honest. Yes he had a very good first season with the 2nd most successful club in the north west but since his injury he hasn't been the same at all. I thought he was quite poor at times last season. Seemed sluggish and leaden footed.
Now maybe it was just him taking time to get over the injury and he'll be better this season but I'm not sure if it's worth risking 7 million on.
Any score in the match yet?
Game finished 0-0
Penalties
Portsmouth just won 4-2.
Torres & Benayoun missed (well saved by James)
when torres stepped up i said to my mate "it will be terrible bad 4 his confidence if he misses, hes defo not gona score" and he didnt--he looks uptight and nervous--hes gonna b a flop-shevchenko style
Quote from: Gold on July 28, 2007, 01:33:30 AM
when torres stepped up i said to my mate "it will be terrible bad 4 his confidence if he misses, hes defo not gona score" and he didnt--he looks uptight and nervous--hes gonna b a flop-shevchenko style
not being a liverpool supporter i thought he showed glimpses of quality in that match and i cant see him being a flop. thought pennant played well too, along with sisoko and of course MOTM David James
Quote from: Gold on July 28, 2007, 01:33:30 AM
when torres stepped up i said to my mate "it will be terrible bad 4 his confidence if he misses, hes defo not gona score" and he didnt--he looks uptight and nervous--hes gonna b a flop-shevchenko style
You cannot be serious! missing a peno in a micky mouse game goina make him a flop....the mans quality, wont be far away from topscorer in premiership.....hope iam wrong ;)
From 365
Liverpool are being linked with a move for Leighton Baines if they fail to land Gabriel Heinze.
The Wigan left-back is their back-up option, according to the Daily Mirror, who also claim that the Reds have finally worked out that they need cover for Jamie Carragher and Daniel Agger at centre-half.
Baines has already turned down a move to Sunderland, while Everton have had a bid of £4m plus a player turned down.
The Mirror also claims that Benitez is still looking for a wide player and although he would 'love' to sign Arjen Robben, he looks set to join Real Madrid.
Well Baines would be a good enough buy for Left back but can he cover Centre half as well?? I can't recall him playing there but never seen to much of Wigan to be honest.
Wouldn't be that fussed on Robben. ( Sorry Norf) He's a good player and when he's on form he's lighting!! But just not the sort of player I'd like Liverpool to get. We get enough abuse for diving already!!
REDS FACE TOULOUSE IN CL: ALL THE LATEST
Jimmy Rice 03 August 2007
Liverpool will face Toulouse in the Champions League third qualifying round following Friday morning's draw in Nyon, Switzerland.
The French club - who'll become the Reds' 100th opponent in continental football - finished third in their domestic league last season to qualify for Europe's premier competition for the first time.
The achievement was unexpected as a week before the end of the season they were mathematically out of the race for a CL spot following a draw with Nantes.
However, the game was abandoned with three minutes to go because of a pitch invasion, and Toulouse were later awarded three points instead of one.
Five years ago they were in the third division.
Their star men include Swedish striker Johan Elmander, who scored 11 goals in 32 league games last season and was subject to interest from Lyon and Man City this summer.
LFC secretary Bryce Morrison said: "It will not be easy. This qualifying round of the competition seems to be getting harder each year. The French league is strong.
"They are a rugby town and it is a new ground for us. They will be really up for it.
"Rafael Benitez has brought in some new players and everyone in the club feels we are stronger and there is no reason why we can't go all the way again."
Dates for the tie have yet to be confirmed by Liverpool Football Club. Fans are advised not to make any travel arrangements at this stage.
Could have got an easier tie but still should progress handy enough!
Was trying to look into tickets for first few games of the season but first two fixtures sold out already
Quote from: derryexile on August 03, 2007, 01:45:21 PM
Could have got an easier tie but still should progress handy enough!
Was trying to look into tickets for first few games of the season but first two fixtures sold out already
Anyone know the best way to obtain tickets for Liverpool matches. Does anyone think the Fan-Card system on the offical Liverpool website is a good way of getting a ticket?
I think "personally" the fan card system works well, although you do need to be well aware in advance of the release dates.
There are a lot of package deals catering for Liverpool fans but with overinflated prices, they also claim to offer overnight accomodation in Liverpool, if you read the small print you may find yourself staying in Wigan!!!
Failing that, if you can get yourself affiliated with a supporters club, there always a great source for match tickets and always good for a bit of craic too!
With less than a week now before kick off :o Im really getting excited
Wonder what sort of team we gonna put out for the first game of season
Liverpool 1-1 Feyenoord
Wasn't a bad game,Gerrard scored a great goal but should have been sent off for punching one of their players,He had to be held back by Reina..
Also what the f**k with the black jerseys i think they are awful
i like the new black strip
The Black jersey is the nicest we have had in years.
Regarding the fancard, it was excellent and I awlays got sorted through it, however at the moment they have done away with online sales meaning I have no chance of getting tickets.
I think the black strip is awful..I like last years white one with the green stripe
villa v liverpool should be one of the better opening games of the season. both teams are going well what with all liverpools new signings and villa putting inter milan away 3 - 0 the other night.
Anyone reccomend any half decent bars to watch the Liverpool Villa game in the Capital that wont be jam packed with Dubs?
Stiffler with all your exxxperience I would have thought you would have known a few decent bars in the capital!
Where you looking to drink, North or South of the canal?
Any of the bars around the temple will have the Liverpool game on with most of the Dubs either in Coppers or Quinns
Quote from: derryexile on August 09, 2007, 08:55:16 AM
Stiffler with all your exxxperience I would have thought you would have known a few decent bars in the capital!
Where you looking to drink, North or South of the canal?
Any of the bars around the temple will have the Liverpool game on with most of the Dubs either in Coppers or Quinns
I was thinking of maybe somewhere around the temple bar myself, the thing is Dublin wont be too friendly to Northerners after Derry dump them out of the championship on Saturday!
Looking forward to the game,Wonder will Carson play ??
They played some good stuff in the first half, and again when Babel came on. Torres and Kuyt looked a very promising combination up front. You're never going to completely dominate an away game.
I think we played very well and only for a few great saves from Taylor escpecially the Babel shot we would have won comfortably
We played well but we have been down this road before, plenty of chances, good build up, but not taking numerous chances. Maybe a bit early for sweeping statements though, give Torres etc a while to settle and it has to be a positive winning away from home as the away record last year was a disgrace.
Is the champions league qualifier on rte tomorrow afternoon?
Yep, 3 o'clock in Toulouse. They will be dangerous enough. They beat Lyon 1-0 at the weekend...
Just checked RTE 2 listings for tomorrow and this is what is on around 3pm!
14:30 Shuriken School
Animation series following the martial arts-fuelled adventures of 10-year-old Eizan Kaburagi and his friends during their first year at an under-funded Ninja school
14:55 All Grown Up!
Tales of the Rugrats, ten years later
15:25 Tutenstein
Animation about a young pharaoh who reawakens in the present day
15:50 Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
Set a generation into the future, Yu-Gi-Oh! GX revolves around a boy named Jaden Yuki as he begins life at the Duel Academy
16:15 Mortified
Comedy. Taylor Fry feels like a misfit, but deals with the world around her with a little imagination
16:45 Hannah Montana
Children's drama series centred on the adventures of an all-American teenage girl, Miley Stewart, who regularly adopts a disguise to become Hannah Montana, the famous pop star
Its on Setanta.
Sorry gawa, I thought you asked whether it was on, I didn't realise you meant on TV. Sorry 'bout that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 14, 2007, 11:08:55 AM
Sorry gawa, I thought you asked whether it was on, I didn't realise you meant on TV. Sorry 'bout that.
No worries. I'll have to sign up for this setanta package now. it seems a good enough deal and the amount of money it will save me from not going down the pub to watch the matches will more than make up for the tenner.
On Toulouse...Elmander is there star player. although no world beater he has a decent record. Seen him play for Sweden against Norn Iron and he is big and physical with a decent touch. Would like to think Carra aand Agger can cope with him though.
starting team for tomorrow?couldnt see rafa playing the same team in consectuive games this season too often especially when you look at the quality we have in central midfield and there wouldnt be alot to choose between the strikers.see the sun reported crouch was looking showdown talks after the game sat.think he could be a good man for holding the ball up tomorrow away from home.rafa will also take into account that we play chelski at the weekend.
maybe something like
reina
finnan carra agger arbeloa(dont rate)
pennant gerrard masch riise
kuyt torres
though could see rafa playing five in midfield with stevie supporting a loan striker.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on August 14, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
reina
finnan carra agger arbeloa(dont rate)
pennant gerrard masch riise
kuyt torres
though could see rafa playing five in midfield with stevie supporting a loan striker.
Going to stick my neck out and suggest
Reina
Finnan, Carra, Agger, Riise
Benayoun, Gerrard, Masch, Kewell
Crouch, Vorinin
I don't think i have ever predicted one of Rafa's team so not holding much hope for this one. With chelski coming up reckon he'll rest a few, although it maybe wise player Crouch against them with no terry in the team
Quote from: charlie stubbs on August 14, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
starting team for tomorrow?couldnt see rafa playing the same team in consectuive games this season too often especially when you look at the quality we have in central midfield and there wouldnt be alot to choose between the strikers.see the sun reported crouch was looking showdown talks after the game sat.think he could be a good man for holding the ball up tomorrow away from home.rafa will also take into account that we play chelski at the weekend.
maybe something like
reina
finnan carra agger arbeloa(dont rate)
pennant gerrard masch riise
kuyt torres
though could see rafa playing five in midfield with stevie supporting a loan striker.
Would be easier to win the Lotto than try and pick a Liverpool team.So many options for Rafa to mull over.
Would like to see Benayoun get a good run in the team,Im still not convinced about Pennant and i would also agree with you about Arbeloa
I have to hold my hands up though and admit it looks like i was wrong in my opinion on Vorinon
Quote from: charlie stubbs on August 14, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
reina
finnan carra agger arbeloa(dont rate)
pennant gerrard masch riise
kuyt torres
You could be right with this team Charlie, but I think he might go a bit extra defensive as we are away from home and Toulouse had a good win at the weekend against Lyon. Think he will play with one striker up front, iw ould like to see this line out if he where to go with one up front:
Reina
Finnan Carragher Agger Arbeloa,
Masch Sissoko
Pennnt Riise
Gerrard
Kuyt
Please feel free to slate my line up everyone :)
Quote from: gawa316 on August 14, 2007, 11:26:49 AM
No worries. I'll have to sign up for this setanta package now. it seems a good enough deal and the amount of money it will save me from not going down the pub to watch the matches will more than make up for the tenner.
Definately recommend getting Setanta, great coverage Liverpool Vs Villa was on saturday live. Also good for any games either GAA or soccer that you missed at the weekend as they will usually be shown again some night during the week.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 14, 2007, 12:49:25 PM
I have to hold my hands up though and admit it looks like i was wrong in my opinion on Vorinon
Thats one of the way...now how will the Dubs win you round ;D
Jaysus, I forgot clean about Kewell not making the squad on Saturday!!!
I can see Vorinin, Crouch and Babel starting. But to be honest its a thankless task, never get close to his team, particularly this time of season. Would prefer to see a more settled team this year with maybe a core 8 players been played consistently - Reina, Finnan, Carra, Agger, Gerard, Torres, Masch/Aloonso (count as one player ;) ), Babel. And rotate the rest - Riise, Penant, Arbeloa, Kewell, Kuyt, Crouch, Vornin, Sami, Benayoun, Sissoko. Good squad is used right - keep playing players in form and they'll not need rest.
However, In Rafa we Trust!!
I think he will hold Kewell in reserve and put him against Glen Johnson at the weekend. I would say he will be a bit defensive so I can see the same back four as the weekend,
Gerrard, Masch, Alonso and Riise in midfield and Kuyt and Crouch up front.
this just in- pennant not included in the 18 that have travelled!!!
neither Kewell or Pennant have travelled. I think he will go for 4-5-1 and with Gerard behind Kuyt, and Torres to come on for last 20
no pennant would indicate that rafa will start with gerrard or benayoun wide right.if gerrard on right,expect masch to partner alonso think masch suits european games as he protects better than xavi.no kewell will mean babel/benayoun/riise on the left with arbeloa at left back or riise if he doesnt start in midfield.will leiva be anywhere near team soon?aint saw voronin yet any reports
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqLnO1YxU20
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 14, 2007, 03:46:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqLnO1YxU20
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqLnO1YxU20)
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Thats a nice beard you have Norf
Thanks SS.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on August 14, 2007, 12:40:37 PM
starting team for tomorrow?couldnt see rafa playing the same team in consectuive games this season too often especially when you look at the quality we have in central midfield and there wouldnt be alot to choose between the strikers.see the sun reported crouch was looking showdown talks after the game sat.think he could be a good man for holding the ball up tomorrow away from home.rafa will also take into account that we play chelski at the weekend.
No 1: From your posts you seem to have a fair knowledge of Liverpool. In that case why oh why do you read or make reference to that rag, or have the issues re the S*n somehow bypassed you in this internet age??
No 2: Since when did tabloids become accurate reporters of sports news? Is there a direct quote from Crouch saying he wants 'showdown talks'? Or is it the usual 'sources close to the striker say...' rubbish? Not that any attention should be paid to anything written in the rag anyway
i apologize for quoting from the paper.
I lived in Liverpool for a few years and it was hard to get the Sun because it seemed to be the most widely read paper in the city. In my experience Its a bit of a myth that it has been boycotted.
Quote from: Balboa on August 15, 2007, 10:38:11 AM
I lived in Liverpool for a few years and it was hard to get the Sun because it seemed to be the most widely read paper in the city. In my experience Its a bit of a myth that it has been boycotted.
Balboa you are talking through your arse. Its hard to get because many of the newsagents don't stock it!! Its readers numbers are so poor in the Liverpool area that they tries to make an apology and signed up Wayne Rooney to get a market share on merseyside.
Even Everton supporters don't read it.
Myth ??? ???
Balls Bingobus, there were plenty of newsagents stocking it. I support Liverpool so why would i lie? If you went to our local Tescos after midday it was sold out, there is a difference in not stocking a paper and it being sold out. Dont let the truth get in the way though.
Sorry Balboa, but the Sun is read very little in Liverpool.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2007, 10:58:41 AM
Sorry Balboa, but the Sun is read very little in Liverpool.
Things must have changed......
Isn't it time someone came up with some figures on the readership of the Sun in Liverpool instead of just saying "I'm right, you're wrong". AZ and bingobus have you actually been in every shop in Liverpool to check if the Sun is sold there?
Tony, The Sun made a big apology, and have had several love ins towards Liverpool, the city and the club, since 1989. They acknowledge themselves that they have a problem with circulation in Liverpool, and I heard their Editor, can't remember his name now, interviewed on Radio 5 Live last year and he acknowledged the same thing. Of course people will read it, and newsagents will stock it, but I guarantee you their readership in Liverpool is way lower than the national average.
Edit: This is from the Independent (English) At the time of the Wayne Rooney - Sun rumpus.
An own goal? Rooney caught in crossfire between 'The Sun' and an unforgiving city By Ian Burrell, Media Editor
Published: 08 July 2004
Fifteen years after the event, The Sun has apologised to the people of Liverpool. It said sorry for reporting, in the immediate aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster which claimed 96 lives, that Liverpool fans had stolen from fellow supporters as they lay injured on the turf, and that they had urinated on police and the bodies of those who died.
The newspaper published a full-page apology yesterday for its reporting of the disaster, and acknowledged it as "the most terrible mistake in its history".
The city, though, was not in a forgiving mood and Liverpudlians jammed radio phone-ins to express their anger. The reason? What they saw as the cynical manipulation of a series of interviews this week with England's football sensation, Wayne Rooney, who plays in the city for Everton. Listeners queued up to accuse The Sun of trying to cash in on the interviews with Rooney and his girlfriend, Colleen McLoughlin, with the apology.
In its editorial, The Sun said the reports were "a mistake ... for which we are truly sorry". The Liverpool Echo ran an editorial last night accusing the tabloid paper of being "cynical and shameless".
The Sun, which sells 3.3 million copies nationwide but only 12,000 in Liverpool, remains the subject of a boycott in Merseyside. The Sun's coverage of the disaster lost the paper around around 200,000 readers in the city and sales have never recovered since.
The Sun sought to suggest that Rooney, only a toddler at the time of the disaster, had become a hate figure for selling his story to it - but most reserved their ire for the newspaper.
Peter Sampara, who survived the disaster, said: "The Sun's apology is too little, too late. They're doing it on the grounds of economics, not morality. Some people say forgive and forget, but the depth of the insult to the people who died, to their relatives - why should The Sun be forgiven? It increased the pain for everyone. Rooney's been ill-advised. Maybe he can't appreciate the devastating impact on people in the area. But I've got a 10-year-old daughter and she sees it."
The paper carried an article yesterday claiming that Rooney was "hurt" by a "hate campaign" against him because of his deal with The Sun. The story, headlined "Backlash! Fans turn on Rooney", was illustrated with a picture of Rooney and Ms McLoughlin, holding up a copy of last Thursday's edition of The Sun.
The photograph - used to give the impression that the player was sympathetic to The Sun's attempt to bury the hatchet with Liverpudlians - was taken in an entirely different context and the Rooney camp was feeling deeply let down by the newspaper .
The football player was not consulted about the apology, despite detailed discussions on the series of articles - thought to have cost the paper £280,000.
Liverpudlians were deeply suspicious of The Sun's claim that Rooney had been targeted in a hate campaign. Steve Hothersall, the news editor of Radio City, said: "I don't think anyone blames Wayne. They just think he is a bit naive."
The footballer is represented by the agent Paul Stretford of Proactive Sports Group (PSG). A spokesman for PSGsaid that it had "absolutely no comment". Graham Dudman, the associate editor of The Sun, which says it long ago apologised for the Hillsborough report, told the BBC Radio's Five Live that the "entire senior team" of 1989 had left the paper, "yet we are still being blamed and tarnished for what was a terrible mistake".
Phil Hammond, who lost his 14-year-old son at Hillsborough, said: "This will not be accepted by me or any of the Hillsborough families. They are hiding behind Rooney.
"They think that because they've got a big name on board people will start to buy the paper but we're not that stupid."
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2007, 10:58:41 AM
Sorry Balboa, but the Sun is read very little in Liverpool.
I can only give anecdotal evidence.
It's hardly a big miss anyway is it no matter what they said about Liverpool supporters.
Maybe it does not sell because the Bin dippers can't read that well :D :D :D
Quote from: EC Unique on August 15, 2007, 11:26:34 AM
Maybe it does not sell because the Bin dippers can't read that well :D :D :D
Reading and The Sun??? Whats the connection? Most apes only buy it for the pictures and big bold headlines.
Balboa - I've been to Liverpool fairly regular and haven't seen it read once. I have a mate who took it over once on the plane and the racing section on him later in the pub (The beehive). To say he was soon eductated by some of the locals is an understatement. Luckily we weren't in Rileys next door or I'm sure he would have got a slap.
Quote from: bingobus on August 15, 2007, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on August 15, 2007, 11:26:34 AM
Maybe it does not sell because the Bin dippers can't read that well :D :D :D
Reading and The Sun??? Whats the connection? Most apes only buy it for the pictures and big bold headlines.
Balboa - I've been to Liverpool fairly regular and haven't seen it read once. I have a mate who took it over once on the plane and the racing section on him later in the pub (The beehive). To say he was soon eductated by some of the locals is an understatement. Luckily we weren't in Rileys next door or I'm sure he would have got a slap.
Well i can only tell you my experience, i lived in Liverpool for a few years and i saw different. Anyway its my last word on the matter.
No team news yet ahead of todays game???
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 15, 2007, 12:50:28 PM
No team news yet ahead of todays game???
You asking us or telling us ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 15, 2007, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 15, 2007, 12:50:28 PM
No team news yet ahead of todays game???
You asking us or telling us ;)
question marks usually mean a question numbnuts. team in accordance to the daily mirror Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Agger, Arbeloa, Benayoun, alonso, sissoko, riise, voronin, crouch
Bit of both LoaisLad ;). official website not yet updated and match only 2 hours away. Wondering has anyone heard anything through the grapevine??
Quote from: longball on August 15, 2007, 01:14:37 PM
team in accordance to the daily mirror Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Agger, Arbeloa, Benayoun, alonso, sissoko, riise, voronin, crouch
So thats probably no where near the team then ;)
Apparent in Toulouse its up to 37C (100 degrees in old money!!) for the match!!! Going be very hot, if Torres is on he will love it!!!! ;D
Quote from: longball on August 15, 2007, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 15, 2007, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 15, 2007, 12:50:28 PM
No team news yet ahead of todays game???
You asking us or telling us ;)
question marks usually mean a question numbnuts. team in accordance to the daily mirror Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Agger, Arbeloa, Benayoun, alonso, sissoko, riise, voronin, crouch
Well numbnuts if you read the way he phrased the question you will see it was a rhetorical question in so much as he answered his own question thus leading me to saying as a joke are you asking or telling us
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on August 15, 2007, 01:31:31 PM
Apparent in Toulouse its up to 37C (100 degrees in old money!!) for the match!!! Going be very hot, if Torres is on he will love it!!!! ;D
So will Sissoko.
Peter Crouch and Andriy Voronin are both recalled to the Liverpool side to start up front for the Reds in Toulouse this afternoon.
Fernando Torres and Dirk Kuyt both begin on the bench as Rafael Benitez rings the changes from the side which won at Aston Villa on Saturday.
Yossi Benayoun and Ryan Babel both make their first competitive starts for the club while Sami Hyypia is back in the centre of defence alongside Jamie Carragher.
The Liverpool team for this afternoon's game, which kicks off at 3.30pm, is:
Reina
Finnan
Carragher
Hyypia
Arbeloa
Benayoun
Gerrard
Mascherano
Babel
Voronin
Crouch
Subs:
Itandje
Agger
Riise
Torres
Alonso
Kuyt
Sissoko
Any winners of the team lottery selection??
Strong midfielder pairing and will be interesting to see how the wingers pan out.
Hope someone has the box infront of them to keep us posted.
Quote from: bingobus on August 15, 2007, 02:34:04 PM
Any winners of the team lottery selection??
I got 8 of the players right, anyone do any better?
I'm liking that line-up a lot
I hope they haven't mad pacy strikers. Hypia could tire very quickly there in that heat.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2007, 02:47:52 PM
I hope they haven't mad pacy strikers. Hypia could tire very quickly there in that heat.
He could but Agger and Riise are on bench so i wouldn't worry...
Its games like this where you can see the strength in depth we have in the squad this year.
Able to drop Riise,Agger,Pennent,Alonso,Torres,Kuyt and still be able to put out a strong team capable of beating anyone
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 15, 2007, 02:47:52 PM
I hope they haven't mad pacy strikers. Hypia could tire very quickly there in that heat.
I reckon Hyppia is in there to deal with the physical threat of Elmander.
On another issue
CARRAGHER DECLINES ENGLAND RETURN
Posted 15/08/07 11:52EmailPrintSave
England manager Steve McClaren has confirmed Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher has decided not to return to international football.
The centre-back has deliberated long and hard over his original decision to ask not to be considered for his country.
McClaren made a personal visit to Liverpool's training ground on Monday for a face-to-face meeting with Carragher, but the situation remained the same, with the tough defender politely declining a request to change his mind.
McClaren told a press conference, televised by Sky Sports News: "I met Jamie on Monday and had a very good conversation but unfortunately he's stayed with the decision to not be involved with us.
"We respect that, Jamie has been a fantastic servant for England.
"I won't close the door, who knows in the future."
Thank f**k for that. McClaren in my eyes is a joke. How can you play woodgate and a half fit king (Who missed most of the season) in front of Carra who was unbelieveable for Liverpool especially in the Champions League. To make matters worse he then plays brown in front of him!! ??? Everyone can see (not just Liverpool fans) that Carra has been the most consistant English centre back (along with Terry) over the last 3/4 years. Now when he has a few injury concerns he comes crawling back to Carra. Well I for one I'm glad he hasn't went back as it will only be goog for LFC
Carragher is one of the best centre backs in the world IMHO.Certainly way ahead of Donkey Ferdinand and Woodgate
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 15, 2007, 02:50:04 PM
He could but Agger and Riise are on bench so i wouldn't worry...
Its games like this where you can see the strength in depth we have in the squad this year.
Able to drop Riise,Agger,Pennent,Alonso,Torres,Kuyt and still be able to put out a strong team capable of beating anyone
Agree Laois lad, its definatley the strongest squad we have had in many a year..lets all hope the new buys fulfill their potential
Quote from: bingobus on August 15, 2007, 10:43:28 AM
Quote from: Balboa on August 15, 2007, 10:38:11 AM
I lived in Liverpool for a few years and it was hard to get the Sun because it seemed to be the most widely read paper in the city. In my experience Its a bit of a myth that it has been boycotted.
WUM plain and simple, a myth indeed!
As regards the apology, the 'apology' consisted of the S*n having a go at Liverpudlians for being up in arms at Rooney giving them an interview. Rather than redressing the damage they did by apologizing on the front page, like their initial slur, the 'apology' took place in the editorial with their front page devoted to how the reaction in Liverpool had been a hate campaign towards Rooney.
The editorial basically had an 'apology' of sorts totally undermined by twisting the thing to have a go at those so incensed at Rooney (the fact Rooney gave the interview in the first place in indefensible anyway) The editorial brought up World Wars and a whole other load of horses**t, whatever relevance that had to saying sorry. The last line of the 'apology' reads: 'It's time to move on'. Who are they to tell victims when they should 'move on'.
I have little interest in going to the trouble of having a cyber-arguement with anyone. However, personally I don't expect anyone who follows Liverpool to have anything to do with the rag, and I feel that fans of other clubs perhaps should appreciate that playing down the issues regarding the S*n annoys those who may perhaps have followed developments in more detail.
Gerrard freekick just wide of the post.
not much football so far!! Scrappy start.
What's with no sponser on the liverpool kit?
no alcohol sponsorship in France
Has the makings of a 0-0
are any of you guys wachin this online? any links?
naw watching on Sentanta.
Agreed it has nil nil all over it.
Babel looks powerful when he decides to run but that's about it!!
Vorinon 1-0 Liverpool what a goal :o
GOAL - Vororin. Great goal. Outside the area.
Feck me pink i was wrong about him :-[
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 15, 2007, 04:14:54 PM
Feck me pink i was wrong about him :-[
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2772/hpyc3.jpg)
Yip fine finish. But apart from that they look very uninterested. I know they are trying to keep the tempo low away from home but too many long hopeful balls. I'd rather see them get it down and pass it about more. Especially like to see Babel and Gerrard run more with the ball.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 15, 2007, 04:20:07 PM
Yip fine finish. But apart from that they look very uninterested. I know they are trying to keep the tempo low away from home but too many long hopeful balls. I'd rather see them get it down and pass it about more. Especially like to see Babel and Gerrard run more with the ball.
Apparently it's very hot over there so I don't think we'll see them charging about the place.
Yeah I suppose that will be a factor alright. Didn't think about that. Anyway I'd be happy enough with the 1 goal advantage
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 15, 2007, 03:46:18 PM
no alcohol sponsorship in France
Carlsberg isn't always alcohol it has often replaced the blood in my veins after a bank holiday weekend session!
I'd be happy with 1-0 or 2-0 as well. No point playing too high tempo over there, horses for courses, cutting your cloth to fit and all that. Big game at the weekend versus CSKA London as well, so I'd be happy with a professional job, a clean sheet and a win.
The Voronators goal
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/1260154
Dean Saundars is getting on my nerves..Anyone elses?
Vor-OWNED
I had a feeling that was Saunders was not sure, what a prat! he has done my head in from the first minute.
The game itself is very dull, Toluse don't look like they want to push forward and the Pool are happy enough to pass about. Babel and Hyppia have been excellent. Not a lot more to note, the goal was super.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 15, 2007, 04:33:21 PM
The Voronators goal
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/1260154
:o Nice one!! Forgot this game was on early! >:( Keep the updates coming lads!
If the Pool aren't carefull Toulouse could score they are looking more dangerous
The Tornado is coming on
1-0 full time. Job done.
QuoteDean Saundars is getting on my nerves..Anyone elses?
Paul Elliotts.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 15, 2007, 04:33:52 PM
Dean Saundars is getting on my nerves..Anyone elses?
I quite like him. Even when he's cracking lame gags. Which is most of the time. ;D
He's always saying "when i was playing" he's a pain in the sac so he is
well lads. Have to say that i am impressed with Liverpool so far. Good opener against Villa and a controlled performance last night.
Big game this weekend and one we need to win. Was watching the review of last season on my flight home from Singapore and we
were really shocking against the other big 3 teams. If we get a victory this Sunday that would open a 4 point gap on United and thats
nice to have after 2 weeks of the season. Do youse think that we will do the Heinze deal and if not, you do you think we will move for??
If Carragher picks up an injury(God forbid) we will be in serious diff's!!!
Gerrard may miss Chelsea match after foot injury
Louise Taylor in the Stade Municipal
Thursday August 16, 2007
The Guardian
Steven Gerrard fears he will miss Liverpool's crucial Premiership match with Chelsea on Sunday and England's friendly against Germany next week after injuring his foot during yesterday's Champions League qualifying tie in the south-west of France.
The midfielder flew back to Merseyside last night with his right foot heavily bandaged having been the victim of a cynical stamp from Toulouse's Achille Emana during the second half.
He was substituted after the incident and immediately headed to the dressing room for ice treatment where he was examined by the Liverpool medical staff.
Great!!
not to worry- he's only going to miss england games
Gerrard passed fit for Liverpool
Gerrard was given a tough time by Toulouse
Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard has a hairline fracture of his toe but will be fit to face Chelsea on Sunday.
However, manager Rafael Benitez said the midfielder is unlikely to be available for England's friendly against Germany on Wednesday.
"I think he'll be available for Sunday, but if we push him for that he will have to rest afterwards," said Benitez.
Gerrard, 27, took a painful crack on his right foot during the Champions League tie with Toulouse.
Interview: Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez
He was substituted after 61 minutes.
Benitez said: "It's not serious but we have to be careful. It's not a big risk but we can push him and then he needs rest.
"He will need an injection but then he can play without pain against Chelsea.
"I now have to talk to [England coach] Steve McClaren, but he has to understand playing Steven for England will be a big risk for his future."
Quote from: FermGael on August 16, 2007, 08:30:49 AM
well lads. Have to say that i am impressed with Liverpool so far. Good opener against Villa and a controlled performance last night.
Big game this weekend and one we need to win.
I disagree. Liverpool have dominated possession in both games, but still the age old problem exists that we havent being creating enough good chances for our strikers. We create the odd one here and there, but when dominating possession, we should be able to create chance after chance. We've relied on screamers to win games - they don't come every game.
However, it will take a while for the new lads to bed in, so performances might be mixed, and its great to be getting wins on the board in the meantime.
Quote from: hardstation on August 17, 2007, 01:39:54 AM
He's ok to play for us at the weekend but he won't be ok to play an international next week.
Likely story.
Take yourself off to fcuk Rafael.
Why does it bother you? Giggs/Old Whisky nose has been doing the same thing for years
Quote from: hardstation on August 17, 2007, 01:39:54 AM
He's ok to play for us at the weekend but he won't be ok to play an international next week.
Likely story.
Take yourself off to fcuk Rafael.
Eh? ???
Quote from: Hound on August 17, 2007, 09:43:34 AM
Quote from: FermGael on August 16, 2007, 08:30:49 AM
well lads. Have to say that i am impressed with Liverpool so far. Good opener against Villa and a controlled performance last night.
Big game this weekend and one we need to win.
I disagree. Liverpool have dominated possession in both games, but still the age old problem exists that we havent being creating enough good chances for our strikers. We create the odd one here and there, but when dominating possession, we should be able to create chance after chance. We've relied on screamers to win games - they don't come every game.
However, it will take a while for the new lads to bed in, so performances might be mixed, and its great to be getting wins on the board in the meantime.
In fairness Hound they created lots of chances against Villa. Didn't take them granted but they had plenty of chances in the 2nd half. Gerrard had a shot from 8 yards out that was going in until it hit a defender who knew nothing about it, Babel had two decent chances sending one whizzing just past the post, there was another chance too that fell to someone I can't remember. They definitely should have been more than one goal up. Granted they have to strat putting these chances away but they did create openings against Villa.
Didn't see the Toulouse game but heard it was a dull enough game played in searing heat.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/media/preview_0708_new_stadium_feature_170807_medium.asx
Video footage of the new Anfield
Thought Liverpool played well today and were robbed by a horrible decision from the ref!!! Thought the ref was brutal overall!No matter Torres is off the mark and that goal should settle him down well :)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 17, 2007, 03:14:27 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/media/preview_0708_new_stadium_feature_170807_medium.asx
Video footage of the new Anfield
19,500 capacity on the Kop! Sound engineering!
Looks fantastic!
Quote from: J70 on August 19, 2007, 06:57:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 17, 2007, 03:14:27 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/media/preview_0708_new_stadium_feature_170807_medium.asx
Video footage of the new Anfield
19,500 capacity on the Kop! Sound engineering!
Looks fantastic!
Kop looks great, but the stand behind the other goals is very small looking, and takes away from the stadium as a whole IMO.
Absolutely filthy with that result today. >:(
Team played very well. Got themselves ahead and were in complete control of the game when Rob Styles bails Chelsea out by awarding them a quite ridiculous penalty. All the more frustrating as Chelsea never looked like they were going to score. I won't even mention him showing 2 yellow cards to Essien (which he clearly did but has since tried to wriggle his way out of).
Overall a stunningly inept display of refereeing.
Fcuk it lads, we'll be on the right side of those decisions this season too. Every team will.
For me the highlight of the match was Torres standing up to Terry both physically and mentally. He put himself about against Terry a few times and when Terry started giving him shit he was nonchalant said 'que pasa' and tapped Terry on the cheek. If you're 23 in your home debut against one of the best , not to mention biggest and strongest, centrebacks in the business, that to me as rafa would say shows 'the right mentality'. A lesser player would have been cowed by that, hes a skillful player and looks to be mentally tough. Great finish and i'm happy that hes easing the reservations I had about him. BTW Babel has a ridiculous shot on him
Quote from: J70 on August 19, 2007, 08:27:54 PM
Fcuk it lads, we'll be on the right side of those decisions this season too. Every team will.
We'd want to get some big payback for that shambolic refereeing performance today.
I'm not one to start blaming referees for results but something has to be said when refs are deciding the outcome of these games. At the very least Styles should be demoted to the championship for a farce of a display.
As an aside I honestly think we'll be there or thereabouts come the end of the season.
Totally disgusted with the penalty decision today. Is it just me or do Chelsea and Man Utd always see to get their way with dubious decisions made by referees? Steve Finnan did no where near foul Malouda, the ball was actually played behindthe chelsea player and he ended up running intoFinnan so how the ref can give a peno is fuckin beyond me...was totally rippin with the decision,as someone has already pointed out, chelsea once again bailed out by the ref.
That was a very Henry-like finish by Torres.
Quote from: ONeill on August 19, 2007, 11:00:11 PM
That was a very Henry-like finish by Torres.
Now that you mention it, it certainly was!
The reason the other stand is small is that its the one that gets ripped out if the extension gets the ok in a couple of years.
Shite.
I think Liverpool paid the penalty for not being more than one up despite dominating the game. That Liverpool XI was far better than Chelsea. But Chelsea had that huge slice of fortune to get a draw. Fantastic goal by Torres - pity his teammates couldnt create any more chances for him. Riise in particular, but also Gerrard, wasted a lot of ball.
Liverpool's defence is looking rock solid. Arbeloa adds a lot in that respect, but being on his wrong side, he doesnt offer a whole lot going forward.
Sunderland, Derby, Pompey, Wigan and Brum to come in the next 5 games. 3-0, 4-0, 2-0, 3-0, 5-0. Then I'd consider us title contenders ;D But no doubt there'll be a 0-1 and a 0-0 in there....
I'm hoping for Voronin and Torres to start v Sunderland.
Maybe should have scored more than once but you are not going to give Chelsea a tanking, they dont concede that many. Ref was a total disgrace, people talk about the poor standard of GAA officiating but these fellas are volunteers, Premiership refs are professionals & you get a performance like that yesterday. I hope Babel starts against Sunderland, he has looked bright the last 2 games when he has come on and seems to have a rocket of a shot.
QuoteReferee Rob Styles will not officiate in the Premier League next weekend following his performance in the Liverpool-Chelsea game on Sunday.
Styles was criticised for awarding a controversial penalty to Chelsea.
Referees' chief Keith Hackett told BBC Radio 5live: "It is just like with players, if they miss an open goal they are likely to be dropped."
Styles also appeared to show Chelsea's Michael Essien a second yellow card but then failed to send him off.
Former referee Hackett is general manager of Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), the body which oversees referees.
The referees' supremo has apologised to Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez for the error.
Hackett added: "I spoke to Rob this morning and obviously he is extremely disappointed with the decision and admitted he got it wrong. I have left a message with Rafael Benitez to apologise.
"Having looked at a video and seen a better angle and a better view, clearly he (Styles) now recognises that he got it wrong and he's deeply apologetic for that. I think, in fact, he too will be making contact with Liverpool in order to offer his apologies."
Asked about the confusion when Essien appeared to be booked for a second time, Hackett said: "I'm informed by both the fourth official and Rob he retained the card shown to John Terry then held the card to indicate a direct free-kick, and failed to put the card away.
"So it was a basic, if you like, admin error as against an error in application of law.
"We'll look at the video to ensure we don't get a repeat of that."
Benitez was left incensed and skipper Steven Gerrard said Styles had "cracked" after he penalised Steve Finnan for a foul on Florent Malouda, although replays showed there was no contact.
"That decision is impossible to explain, it was the invisible penalty" said Benitez after the 1-1 draw.
Hackett also revealed assistant referee Ian Gosling will be given next weekend off, after he denied Fulham a late goal at home to Middlesbrough when David Healy clearly forced the ball over the line.
He said: "Clearly the assistant referee has made an error, so he won't be operating next week for us either."
But Hackett defended the overall standard of refereeing, describing the mistakes over the weekend as a "hiccup".
The Essien incident happened shortly after Styles had awarded Chelsea their penalty, which Frank Lampard converted to level the scores after Fernando Torres put Liverpool in front with a goal on his home debut.
Former Premier League referee Graham Poll told BBC Radio 5live that Styles did not book Essien twice but that his award of a card to Terry looked "messy".
"At the first look I definitely thought he had booked Essien a second time," said Poll.
"Having looked I can see that as Rob raises the yellow card he points over to John Terry and says that it is John he has cautioned.
"He had just given a penalty and you have a gut feeling as a referee that you might have made a mistake.
"You are under pressure then and when the stress is at its highest it is difficult to think clearly and get everything right."
Poll, who booked Croatia's Josip Simunic three times during a World Cup match in 2006, added: "It was a big mistake."
Benitez had no sympathy with Styles after the match, adding: "I want to have a lot of respect for referees, but sometimes I cannot understand why they give some decisions.
"I think he will watch the video of the match and admit that his penalty decision was a mistake."
And Gerrard asked for Styles to apologise for his penalty decision.
"I don't want to say too much because I will get into trouble, but the referee didn't play well," said the Liverpool skipper.
"Whether it was because the Chelsea players were talking I don't know, but in the end he's cracked and made a bad decision.
"It wasn't a penalty and I hope he comes out and says sorry now."
Meanwhile, Mourinho did not criticise Styles over the penalty decision but suggested his job had not been made easier by the behaviour of certain players from "a different culture".
"I haven't seen the replay of the incident and it was difficult to make out what was happening at the time," he insisted.
"Rafa has his opinion and I have mine. I judged the game to be a good and a fair one.
"Perhaps there were too many cards but overall I thought Mr Styles had a positive game.
"Not every player on the pitch was helping the referee."
Styles handed out eight yellow cards - while Mourinho was believed to be referring to Liverpool's Spanish duo of Torres and Alvaro Arbeloa.
Dont no why you's are crying.....it was a clear cut peno :D
Quote from: new devil on August 20, 2007, 03:00:04 PM
Dont no why you's are crying.....it was a clear cut peno :D
Run along to the "relegation battle" thread now Devil.
QuoteI'm not one to start blaming referees for results but something has to be said when refs are deciding the outcome of these games. At the very least Styles should be demoted to the championship for a farce of a display.
Is the championship not entitled to good refs too?
Right. I'll give my unblinkered views on yesterday. The ref had a mare. When he booked Essien after 5 minutes he made a rod for his own back. Liverpool made 4 fouls in the next 10-15 minutes, of which 2 were similar offences, and he didn't book any of them. Chelsea then upped the pressure on him- rightly in my opinion- and he buckled. The cards started to flow. Off the top of my head, I think the only one that merited a booking yesterday of the 9 was Mikel. The penalty decision was fair I thought.
Only joking. It was a bad decision no doubt about it. The ref had basically lost the plot at this stage, and I think he hardlt gave Chelsea a decision afterwards. I know that Jose has bleated on about the 'ghost goal' for sometime, but I think reaction in today's media has been OTT. It was a bad decision, but it made the news today for feck sake. As fans we get frustrated, but this is the same ref that gave Liverpool a penalty in the first game of last season against Sheff United too. Also as Stevie G said last week "These things happen and some decisions you get, some you don't. I'm sure over the season decisions will even themselves out" - Steven Gerrard, August 11, after the ref awarded him a match-winning free-kick at Aston Villa.
The game itself was tight. Liverpool impressed me yesterday, with Pennant having his usual blinder against Chelsea. I thought they dominated the play without unlocking the Chelsea defence too often. Chelsea had a few chances of their own, headers from Drogba and Pizarro and Terry's first half miss from a yard. I think Chelsea should've reverted to 4-3-3 yesterday with Johnson or Ferrira at RB, Essien shoring the midfield and Kalou dropping to the bench.
After 3 games I am delighted with 7/9 and to 5 clear of United especially consdering that's one of the 'harder' wans out of the road.
All in all I think there will definately be less in it, as it's obvious that the middle ground teams have all improved, and away trips to places like Man City, Blackburn, Reading etc will be much tougher.
norf. do you know something the rest of us dont?
QuoteAfter 3 games I am delighted with 7/9 and to 5 clear of United especially consdering that's one of the 'harder' wans out of the road.
Quote from: Balboa on August 20, 2007, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: new devil on August 20, 2007, 03:00:04 PM
Dont no why you's are crying.....it was a clear cut peno :D
Run along to the "relegation battle" thread now Devil.
I'll remind you of this next may!! ;)
Quote from: Stalin on August 20, 2007, 11:23:56 PM
norf. do you know something the rest of us dont?
QuoteAfter 3 games I am delighted with 7/9 and to 5 clear of United especially consdering that's one of the 'harder' wans out of the road.
Sorry....have I made a faux pas??
was impressed by liverpool on sunday but chelsea did what good teams do and got a point even if it was a disgraceful decision.i hate that w**ker mourinho couldnt even admit that it was a joke of a decision.and he goes on about the cl semi in 2005!though pennant had a good game down the right and babel looked sharp when he came on would like to see him get a start against sunderland at the weekend.thought alonso was a bit sloppy at times on the ball.crouvch should maybe have came on for kuyt earlier as he seemed top be tiring,not surprising all the work he does!think we can def make big push this season and torres can maybe have that bit of class we have been missing up front since owen and a fit fowler!
Was a surprisingly open game for these 2. Reckon they are sick to the back teeth of each other and were both trying something differnet.
Peno decision was a joke but its too early in the season to make much of a difference. There will be a dozen more similar ones involving the top sides which can go either way between now and May.
Pool should forget about it and concentrating on winning the next 6 games which I think they must if they are to capture title this year.
A letter from lil Luis Garcia
QuoteDear Reds,
First of all I'd like to apologise for not having been back in touch sooner, but I needed to take some time to take on board all the recent changes and then to put down these words for you.
I'm sure you will understand.
I would rather this be a letter of thanks and gratitude, not simply a goodbye.
Yes, that's right, gratitude, because that is the word that best sums up my feelings for you all.
Taking the decision to change clubs hasn't been easy. Not easy at all.
I've experienced three fantastic years at the club and in the city. Three years in which together, the fans and the team, we have accomplished some fantastic achievements, and I'm sure that these successes will continue to be repeated in the near future.
You know that I like a challenge and that I don't just settle for second best.
Back then Liverpool Football Club gave me the opportunity to be part of an ambitious plan to put the Reds back at the summit of the game.
I think that together we managed to achieve that.
As I said, I do like challenges and in spite of the fact that at that time I was playing for my home town club, one of the biggest in the world, I wanted to be a part of that project that was being presented to me by Liverpool, and so I accepted the challenge.
Now, after three seasons in the Premier League and having won some major trophies, the chance came up for me to return to La Liga and be part of a new project at a club I already knew.
The idea of enjoying things in a Spanish club like we experienced together at Liverpool over these last three years appealed to me, and that's why I accepted the offer.
I want to thank everyone working at Liverpool Football Club for how well they have treated both my family and I, making us feel at home from the very first day to the last.
I also want to thank the management, coaching staff and directors for the opportunity they gave me back then to be part of such an important and well-loved club as Liverpool. A club which has helped me to grow as a footballer and where to date I have enjoyed the biggest success of my career.
Without a doubt, this success has been possible thanks to the outstanding group of players with whom I've been able to share a dressing room over the last three seasons.
I'm not going to mention anyone specifically, because I think that the secret of this team's success has been exactly that: nobody wanted to stand out above the rest and there has always been a great togetherness in the squad, which made it into something more than a group of players, it was a group of friends.
Thanks to all of you for your help and your friendship.
I've left until last the thank you which for me is the most important: Thank you to the supporters.
Your support allowed me to settle quickly at both the club and in the city, and you made me feel really at ease with you all right from the word go; that's the kind of help that you notice most of all during the difficult times, of which there have been a few during my time here.
I'd like to especially thank you for making up a song for me and you should know that every time I heard you singing it, it was like an extra injection of strength and motivation, even helping me to overcome pain occasionally during a game.
Your unconditional support is the thing that ensures that this team manages to pull through in the most difficult circumstances; and I can assure you that the whole squad is aware of this and thanks you for it.
A football club isn't just made up of players, coaches and directors. More than anything else it's the supporters who make a club, and that perhaps is the ingredient which best distinguishes Liverpool Football Club from every other team. The supporters.
Because if one thing has remained obvious to me after these few years, it's that with supporters like you, Liverpool Football Club will never walk alone.
I really hope that the club wins lots of major trophies in the future; I'll be following it all from a distance, with the pride that you can only get from having been a Red and played for the home team at Anfield – a ground that every football fan must visit at least once in their life.
Thank you for everything. Yours most sincerely,
Your friend, Luís García
Did he copy it to "The Special One" Gabriel?
I assume that letter is a piss take.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 22, 2007, 02:51:28 PM
I assume that letter is a piss take.
Yeah seanie - that's why it's on the Liverpool website
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N156758070821-1605.htm
Its not you, it me!!!!!
FFS.
Why doesnt he just wait outside the kop on his knees ::)
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 22, 2007, 02:51:28 PM
I assume that letter is a piss take.
I thought it was a nice touch.
Nice touch,Shows that some players aren't just all about greed and money
Great player,very frustrating most of the time but could change a game with one flash of brilliance
The following is a true certified copy of Rio Ferdinands letter, penned in advance of him leaving United...........
Yo Yo Yo
Awight guys, i fink we dun gR8 wen i was wif Man U,peace. It hass bean a triffic time 4 me at Trafford Stadium and i must giv a bigg shout out to all the fanz that made me the wealfiest man in Peckham. And a mesage to all the kidz out their,staye in skool.
Respec
Rio
Brilliant Balboa - brilliant
::) ::)
Quote from: Balboa on August 22, 2007, 03:36:14 PM
The following is a true certified copy of Rio Ferdinands letter, penned in advance of him leaving United...........
Yo Yo Yo
Awight guys, i fink we dun gR8 wen i was wif Man U,peace. It hass bean a triffic time 4 me at Trafford Stadium and i must giv a bigg shout out to all the fanz that made me the wealfiest man in Peckham. And a mesage to all the kidz out their,staye in skool.
Respec
Rio
:D :D :D
Quote from: Balboa on August 22, 2007, 03:36:14 PM
The following is a true certified copy of Rio Ferdinands letter, penned in advance of him leaving United...........
Yo Yo Yo
Awight guys, i fink we dun gR8 wen i was wif Man U,peace. It hass bean a triffic time 4 me at Trafford Stadium and i must giv a bigg shout out to all the fanz that made me the wealfiest man in Peckham. And a mesage to all the kidz out their,staye in skool.
Respec
Rio
That can't be Rio Ferdinand.
The spelling is too good.
Gerrard out of Sunderland game
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2007, 06:32:35 PM
Gerrard out of Sunderland game
Well a loss but we're not exactly short of central midfielders. We should have the squad to cope. Alonso and Mascherano in centre midfield?
QuoteNice touch,Shows that some players aren't just all about greed and money
Great player,very frustrating most of the time but could change a game with one flash of brilliance
Agree with that...
Surely thats a piss take?
if we cant beat sunderland without gerrard we dont deserve to be considered title contenders.masc,alonso,sissokko should have enough quality to slot in and beat this standard of opposition.think we will win 2 nil saturday hoping for babel to get a run and maybe crouch and torres to start upfront!
Quote from: charlie stubbs on August 24, 2007, 11:11:07 AM
if we cant beat sunderland without gerrard we dont deserve to be considered title contenders.masc,alonso,sissokko should have enough quality to slot in and beat this standard of opposition.think we will win 2 nil saturday hoping for babel to get a run and maybe crouch and torres to start upfront!
Aye cant see too many problems tomorrow ( hope this post doesent come back to haunt me tomorrow), after Sunderlands initial bright start last week was probably a true barometer of where they are at, played off the pitch at Wigan.
Ferguson has his knickers in a twist again. How can it be tapping up anyway? Didn't they have a fax/letter going around inviting offers for Heinze should a certain fee be reached? ::)
Reds 'investigate' Liverpool
Sir Alex Ferguson has promised United will "not let Liverpool off" in an investigation into the Anfield club's conduct in the recent Gabriel Heinze affair.
Whilst the Reds boss said he had no qualms with Heinze, a player he described as a "warrior" for the club in three years at Old trafford, he did express his frustration at the 29-year-old's agent and recent comments made by Rafael Benitez.
Heinze joined Real Madrid this week, but the move only came a failed, drawn out attempt to join Liverpool, which ended with a three-man Premier League panel ruling against the player's claims that a letter signed by Reds chief executive David Gill gave him license to sign for United's rivals as the stated fee had been met.
"We are looking at Liverpool's whole role in this," said Sir Alex on Friday, although he would not go into specifics.
"We are not letting them off with it. That is what we are investigating."
Asked whether it was a case of 'tapping up' Heinze, Sir Alex said: "David Gill is working on it at the moment. We will get to the bottom of it and see how it comes out."
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 24, 2007, 12:06:49 PM
Ferguson has his knickers in a twist again. How can it be tapping up anyway? Didn't they have a fax/letter going around inviting offers for Heinze should a certain fee be reached? ::)
Reds 'investigate' Liverpool
Sir Alex Ferguson has promised United will "not let Liverpool off" in an investigation into the Anfield club's conduct in the recent Gabriel Heinze affair.
Whilst the Reds boss said he had no qualms with Heinze, a player he described as a "warrior" for the club in three years at Old trafford, he did express his frustration at the 29-year-old's agent and recent comments made by Rafael Benitez.
Heinze joined Real Madrid this week, but the move only came a failed, drawn out attempt to join Liverpool, which ended with a three-man Premier League panel ruling against the player's claims that a letter signed by Reds chief executive David Gill gave him license to sign for United's rivals as the stated fee had been met.
"We are looking at Liverpool's whole role in this," said Sir Alex on Friday, although he would not go into specifics.
"We are not letting them off with it. That is what we are investigating."
Asked whether it was a case of 'tapping up' Heinze, Sir Alex said: "David Gill is working on it at the moment. We will get to the bottom of it and see how it comes out."
Gill is going to look like a bigger wa*ker than he usually does, he said the other day he had no issue with how Liverpool acted on this. Maybe Fergie woke up with another bad hangover.......
Source - www.timesonline.co.uk
In legal terms, the dispute is a contract issue between Heinze and United, and Gill has said he has "no issue with what Liverpool have done". The Anfield club are convinced that Heinze will win the fight and Rafael Benitez has kept a place open for the Argentinian in his squad.
Fergie must have been at the cooking sherry again.
QuoteThe Anfield club are convinced that Heinze will win the fight and Rafael Benitez has kept a place open for the Argentinian in his squad.
Ha ha ha!
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 24, 2007, 01:06:42 PM
QuoteThe Anfield club are convinced that Heinze will win the fight and Rafael Benitez has kept a place open for the Argentinian in his squad.
Ha ha ha!
Did you choose to ignore the first part of the quote?
I usually ignore most things that that liar Gill says anyway.
So what's Heinze's new squad number at Liverpool?
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 24, 2007, 03:22:45 PM
I usually ignore most things that that liar Gill says anyway.
So what's Heinze's new squad number at Liverpool?
Surely United could find some position for you within their ranks, you seem to have so much to offer to the cause. Maybe you could organise a feeder linkup with your "beloved" Sligo Rovers.......
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 24, 2007, 03:22:45 PM
I usually ignore most things that that liar Gill says anyway.
So what's Heinze's new squad number at Liverpool?
:D :D :D ;D ;D :D :D :D
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 24, 2007, 03:22:45 PM
I usually ignore most things that that liar Gill says anyway.
So what's Heinze's new squad number at Liverpool?
He signed for Madrid Seanie - didn't you know?
Hows the FF goin? Whos top socre?
Poor at moment.Ryan Babel hasn't felt the weight of the ball yet
1-0 Sissoko first goal for Liverpool ;D
Good stuff!!! Keep us posted LL!! Got up this morning to find the cable was down so no premiership for me today >:(
Should have been 2-0...
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 25, 2007, 01:28:31 PM
Good stuff!!! Keep us posted LL!! Got up this morning to find the cable was down so no premiership for me today >:(
You need to get yourself over to www.footballstreaming.info
You can find multiple streams of all Premiership games
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 25, 2007, 01:28:31 PM
Good stuff!!! Keep us posted LL!! Got up this morning to find the cable was down so no premiership for me today >:(
have you tried myp2p CS?
Quote from: Square Ball on August 25, 2007, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 25, 2007, 01:28:31 PM
Good stuff!!! Keep us posted LL!! Got up this morning to find the cable was down so no premiership for me today >:(
have you tried myp2p CS?
Cant get it to work for me trying it all morning! :'(
no problem for me, and I just tried to see if it was working, on sopcast
Which sopcast will i download?
any of the mirror ones here
http://www.myp2p.eu/Programs/Sopcast.htm (http://www.myp2p.eu/Programs/Sopcast.htm)
go to here http://www.myp2p.eu/Matches/Match1.htm (http://www.myp2p.eu/Matches/Match1.htm)
and under sopcast click on play and away you go
Quote from: Square Ball on August 25, 2007, 02:12:45 PM
go to here http://www.myp2p.eu/Matches/Match1.htm (http://www.myp2p.eu/Matches/Match1.htm)
and under sopcast click on play and away you go
Cheers Square Ball! This is not the first time you have tried to help me with this! I havent a clue about computers! Working of wireless probably doesnt help?
Should be at least 3-0 hope we don't live to rue those misses
2-0 Voronin ;D
You'll Never Walk Alone being sung...Im sure Keane is loving it ;D
Hyypia broke his nose and Carra could have broken ribs :(
i have this as 0-2 in the IKTS
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 02:39:04 PM
Hyypia broke his nose and Carra could have broken ribs :(
Not good!! >:(
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 02:39:04 PM
Hyypia broke his nose and Carra could have broken ribs :(
it could be worse LL at least your bet is intact ;)
How did Babel get on ?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 25, 2007, 02:46:09 PM
How did Babel get on ?
Not great too be honest wasn't in the game at all
Good result, should have won by 4 or 5, Sunderland are very limited and will struggle this year. But good to get an away win at any time of the year, Pennant was probably the best player today and is starting to become more consistent. Would like to see us taking a few more chances, we left it too late to wrap it up.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 02:53:04 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 02:50:32 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 25, 2007, 02:46:09 PM
How did Babel get on ?
Not great too be honest wasn't in the game at all
Was it not Babel who back heeled the ball in the lead up to the second goal?
Though he didnt have a great game.
Voronin looked good and Torres is an excellent addition to the squad.
Maybe so but he was being took off by Benitez 15 mins before that so really he didn't play all that well today
Quote from: Balboa on August 25, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
Good result, should have won by 4 or 5, Sunderland are very limited and will struggle this year. But good to get an away win at any time of the year, Pennant was probably the best player today and is starting to become more consistent. Would like to see us taking a few more chances, we left it too late to wrap it up.
Thought Sissoko was excellent
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: Balboa on August 25, 2007, 02:54:32 PM
Good result, should have won by 4 or 5, Sunderland are very limited and will struggle this year. But good to get an away win at any time of the year, Pennant was probably the best player today and is starting to become more consistent. Would like to see us taking a few more chances, we left it too late to wrap it up.
Thought Sissoko was excellent
Aye his passing was better today and obviously the goal was a bonus, Torres is an excellent outlet with his pace.
Didn't think Babel played well at all
Good win but i thought we looked a bit laboured at times and resorted to a lot of long balls,thought we should have went for jugular and finished the game off sooner
Watched Sunderland last week and thought they were horrible against Wigan. Non of the team premiership standard apart from Mc Shane and Chopra! Didnt expect Liverpool to have many problems here!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 25, 2007, 02:40:01 PM
i have this as 0-2 in the IKTS
So did i
Actually had it as a Banker Square Ball so thats triple points for me! I'll catch you at the top of table soon :D
I thought Torres and Voronin were great. Supply into them wasnt so good, too many long balls, especially early on - but Sunderland were marking very tight in midfield, Ethutu sitting on Alonso fo example, therefore the CBs hadnt many options. Torres and Voronin both seem very unselfish, which means they are creating more chances for each other. Gordon was great for sunderland. Save from Torres header particularly good.
Babel wasnt good, but did show flashes of skill, and in fairness he did really well for the second goal. I reckon the more he plays the better he'll get.
Arbeloa is now proving himself to be a very good defender. Looks like he'll have to help out at centre half for a game or two. Don't think he'll have a problem playing there v Toulouse or Derby.
Hopefully Benayoun starts v Toulouse. He deserves a start.
I think Benayoun is a great player.Not convinced about Arbeloa though
IMO Arbeloa replacing Riise has strengthened our first choice back 4 considerably, and I'm delighted Benitez has made that decision. He didnt give Messi a kick last year when he man marked him and that showed his potential. Now that he's settled into the Liverpool system, he's proving a big asset.
I've always been impressed with Yossi anytime I've seen him playing for Israel or West Ham. Very clever player. Whether he makes it at Liverpool is another thing, but hopefully he'll get chances.
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
IMO Arbeloa replacing Riise has strengthened our first choice back 4 considerably, and I'm delighted Benitez has made that decision. He didnt give Messi a kick last year when he man marked him and that showed his potential. Now that he's settled into the Liverpool system, he's proving a big asset.
I've always been impressed with Yossi anytime I've seen him playing for Israel or West Ham. Very clever player. Whether he makes it at Liverpool is another thing, but hopefully he'll get chances.
I think Aurelio will be a better option once he gets fit again,I have seen Arebeola a few times now and im not overly impressed as yet with him.He was brutal against Chelsea in the Champions League semi finals
He didn't do much wrong today but he really didn't have much to do either
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 08:35:14 PM
What do you all think of Sunderland, will they stay up?
Hard to say isn't it...I was amazed with the amount of hype believers and bandwagon jumpers that were predicting Sunderland being a success this year,I never bought into it myself to be honest.
I think maybe they might just escape relegation but i would be amazed if they were in the Top 10 like some were suggesting
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 08:46:28 PM
I have always like Sunderland, I was there for Niall Quinns testimonial and found them to be great people, but I hate Keane with a passion. There do seem to be a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon though, and speaking of Bandwagons, where have all the Chelsea supporters come from. I knew one when I was growing up, they seem to be everywhere now???
Im not a fan of the country deserter either..Great player and might make a great manager but i hate his smugness and how everyone is expected to bow to the altar of Keano and of course i think he was wrong in Saipan but sure lets not drag all that up again :-X
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 08:33:48 PM
I think Aurelio will be a better option once he gets fit again,I have seen Arebeola a few times now and im not overly impressed as yet with him.He was brutal against Chelsea in the Champions League semi finals
He didn't do much wrong today but he really didn't have much to do either
Ah, he made a mistake - they all do occassionally. But he's different class to Aurelio. Guarantee a fit Auerlio will
never play a big game for Liverpool ahead of a fit Arbeloa. But we'll see!
As for Sunderland, I'd be a fan of Keane. Think he did tremendous last year.
Sunderland arent any good, but they're hard to play against, work very hard. If they'd been lucky they could have sneaked a draw - they got the break against Spurs and got the win. But they have to play with that intensity every week - they clearly didnt against wigan - probably because they were too confident - but it tunred out Wigan were too good for them - not a good sign!
Derby are the only team definitely worse than them. Then there's 5 or 6 gunning for the last two relegation places, with little between them. For Sunderland to get safe they'll need to get strikers in scoirng mood. Hopefully, from an Irish point of view, Murphy or Stokes will get a scoring run shortly. No way could I see Sunderland finishing higher than 15th. In saying that its not all that sensible predictions after only 3 or 4 games, but if I was, from what I've seen, I'd pick the 3 who came up to go back down again. Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, Reading, ManU, Mboro, WHam all seem to have a bit more.
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2007, 09:29:56 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 08:33:48 PM
I think Aurelio will be a better option once he gets fit again,I have seen Arebeola a few times now and im not overly impressed as yet with him.He was brutal against Chelsea in the Champions League semi finals
He didn't do much wrong today but he really didn't have much to do either
Ah, he made a mistake - they all do occassionally. But he's different class to Aurelio. Guarantee a fit Auerlio will never play a big game for Liverpool ahead of a fit Arbeloa. But we'll see!
As for Sunderland, I'd be a fan of Keane. Think he did tremendous last year.
Sunderland arent any good, but they're hard to play against, work very hard. If they'd been lucky they could have sneaked a draw - they got the break against Spurs and got the win. But they have to play with that intensity every week - they clearly didnt against wigan - probably because they were too confident - but it tunred out Wigan were too good for them - not a good sign!
Derby are the only team definitely worse than them. Then there's 5 or 6 gunning for the last two relegation places, with little between them. For Sunderland to get safe they'll need to get strikers in scoirng mood. Hopefully, from an Irish point of view, Murphy or Stokes will get a scoring run shortly. No way could I see Sunderland finishing higher than 15th. In saying that its not all that sensible predictions after only 3 or 4 games, but if I was, from what I've seen, I'd pick the 3 who came up to go back down again. Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, Reading, ManU, Mboro, WHam all seem to have a bit more.
I don't care who he plays Aurelio or Arbeola or anyone else once they are winning games.Im just not convinced with Arebola and Benitez must not be either otherwise he wouldn't have gone to the lenghts he did to try and sign Heniez
Not to fussed on Arbeloa myself!! Would be happy with Riise going back and trying to get Kewell back in! :-\
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 26, 2007, 03:06:01 PM
Not to fussed on Arbeloa myself!! Would be happy with Riise going back and trying to get Kewell back in! :-\
Wouldn't rate Arbeola either i would think Aurelio is a better option...I see in todays paper they are looking at another left back from Juventus Giorgio Chiellini...No i never heard of him either!!
Just goes to show though Rafa isn't happy with his left back options as he seems intent on signing a new one
Liverpool have confirmed Jamie Carragher sustained a broken rib during Saturday's 2-0 victory over Sunderland.
Tests on Sunday morning also revealed the defender has developed a pneumothorax.
Meanwhile, it has been confirmed that Sami Hyypia broke his nose at the Stadium of Light. However, he trained at Melwood on Sunday and is expected to be fit to face Toulouse on Tuesday.
Club spokesman Ian Cotton said: "Sami has a broken nose but will be available for the second leg of our Champions League qualifier.
"Jamie underwent a series of investigations on Sunday morning which confirmed he has a broken rib and has also developed a pneumothorax. He will continue to be monitored on Sunday but at this stage no further treatment will be required."
Not good news on Carra. Looks like he'll be out for a while. Paletta has been let go too so I think we have to get in a new defender before the deadline.
WTF??
more like GTF!!!
No way is that needed. Their going to have bother keeping the current strikers happy with enough games.
I'd be thinking the defence needs more looked at now that any other area.
We dont need that tub of overweight s*it, if he isnt good enough for the Goners he isnt good enough for us.
Cant see this being true! Maybe he could be thinking of playing him on the left? Hopefully not! So any predictions for tonight?
Tonights team
Reina,
Arbeloa,
Hyypia,
Agger,
Riise,
Benayoun,
Leto,
Sissoko,
Mascherano,
Crouch,
Kuyt.
Subs:
Itandje,
Finnan,
Torres,
Alonso,
Pennant,
Babel,
Lucas.
I wish he'd play Benayoun and Mascherano in the Premiership, he's killing my fantasy team
Quote from: heganboy on August 28, 2007, 07:37:28 PM
I wish he'd play Benayoun and Mascherano in the Premiership, he's killing my fantasy team
You should have known not to pick any Liverpool players except Reina,Carra Finnan and Gerrard as there is no way the same team will be playing from week to week
I have Finnan and Gerrard as they are almost guaranteed to be playing every week
1 - 0 Crouch ;D
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1-0 at the half!! should be at least 4!! Crouch and Kuyt missing a host of chances, Benayoun impressing as is Sossoko and Mascherano( class act) ! Liverpool Cruising!
Big Sammy 2-0!
Kuyt deserved that! worked hard all game!
4-0 Kuyt again on the stroke of full time! Good win!
Good performance by Liverpool, looked very solid. Toulouse were very limited though. Arbeloa did very well - he has come on a hell of a lot since last season. Benayoun impressed as well, and gave a beautiful ball for Kuyt's second. He reminded me a bit of Peter Beardsley with that type of pass. Hopefully he will produce more of that.
Liverpool are looking good at the minute. The new signings are showing glimpses of real quality and there is a real hunger about the club for success.
4-0 win so i expect 11 different players for Derby County on saturday :o...Very excited about Liverpool this year there is a different attitude in their play they look really confident and it's great to see them chase and fight for every ball..
Wonder will he sign anymore players before deadline..Don't know what to make of the Baptista story
Liverpool should be confident of progressing through this group without much trouble. Dont like Rangers chances!! :D
Quite happy with the draw..Does this mean a return for Cisse to Anfield?
and Zenden
Heard reports that Paco wants to leave ???
AYESTERAN HEADS FOR ANFIELD EXIT
Posted 31/08/07 15:13EmailPrintSave
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has been rocked by the imminent departure of his right-hand man Paco Ayesteran from Anfield.
His fellow Spaniard and long-term friend had been Benitez's number two at Tenerife and Valencia before he followed the Reds chief to Merseyside.
It is believed that the players were informed of the news on Thursday after training, and it is not expected that Ayesteran will be alongside Benitez in the dug-out for Saturday's home game with Derby.
Liverpool would not confirm any further details, although Benitez said: "Paco has told me he wants to leave, apart from that I cannot say any more. We will have to assess the situation."
:'( :'( :'(
Any news on Stevie G ?
Not being risked tomorrow but will join up with England next week!! >:(
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 01, 2007, 02:31:30 PM
Rafa Benitez has made five changes to the side that beat Toulouse here on Tuesday night, with Xabi Alonso, Steve Finnan, Ryan Babel and Jermaine Pennant also coming back in.
Liverpool - Reina, Finnan, Hyypia, Agger, Arbeloa, Alonso, Mascherano, Babel, Pennant, Kuyt, Torres. Subs - Itandje, Riise, Voronin, Sissoko, Benayoun.
The game is live on Setanta.
3-0 Liverpool i reckon
Even enough so far. Derby aren't giving them much time. Could take a bit of patience to win this one.
1-0 ALONSO A free kick from about 40 yards :o
The usual nightmare-for-the-keeper ball whipped into the back post, only to go in when no one gets a touch!
It should open up a bit now.
Pennant playing well. Kuyt not taking the chances Pennant's creating.
should be about 3 up at least
I think we just seen the goal of the month! ;D
Great through ball from Agger, lovely work and setup by Arbeloa, before Babel dummies two defenders and places the ball into the top corner!
2-0!
Great stuff, good value for the six goals.
Plenty of pace, good movement, controlled in midfield.
Babel isn't the finished article but took the goal brillantly.
Torres is tireless in his work.
Kuyt is another workhorse - shame he can be a bit wasteful.
Early days, but playing with plenty of verve and purpose.
Liverpool go Top of Ppremiership ;D
They are such a different team now,The old Liverpool even from last year would have struggled to win 2 or 3-0 today
Encouraging, but very early days yet. Liverpool need to win every league game for the next five or six weeks, because from mid-October onwards, they've a run of very tough games. Can't complain though - making and scoring plenty of chances, and giving up nothing so far except two penalties, one softish but probably correctly awarded, the other ridiculous! The competition for places looks very impressive, although we are light in central defense.
Was this game on tv? I couldn't see it anywhere on setanta.
Quote from: Armamike on September 01, 2007, 05:53:11 PM
Was this game on tv? I couldn't see it anywhere on setanta.
It was on Setanta Broadband in the US. From their coverage, it appeared they were going out live in Britain/Ireland. They were advertising that they were going to show the United/Sunderland game, but the US coverage switched to a Championship game, probably because Fox Soccer Channel had the United game.
Pat Dolan was the studio pundit. Wasn't too bad actually!
I have to say its the fisrt time in a long time I've seen Liverpool with a serious team. Workrate and huger superb. Serious contenders for the title and will finish ahead of United this term in the Prem. Gerrard gonna be a problem. Not suitable for this team.
Delighted with the way things are going,Magpie is right too it's the first time Liverpool look like a serious team,They never stopped going yesterday even when the went 3 and 4 up
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 02, 2007, 02:02:52 PM
Have to say, I was very impressed with the work rate yesterday, even at 4-0 they were still chasing every ball. Alonso seems to be a different player when Stevie G isnt playing. Kuyt deserved a goal yesterday, he never stopped and the rest of them got their just rewards. BUT, its very early in the season to be getting carried away and at the end of the day we have only beaten two relegation candidates and a mid table team, though we were robbed against the Russians.
Its been a great start by recent standards, but lets not get carried away................YET
Words of wisdom from 5 Times - most unusual!
Judging by some other posts, I thought the Title had already been won . . . suppose it'll be like last season though and United will wait until May before collecting it!!!! AGAIN ;) ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Datsun Donaghy on September 03, 2007, 12:00:58 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 02, 2007, 02:02:52 PM
Have to say, I was very impressed with the work rate yesterday, even at 4-0 they were still chasing every ball. Alonso seems to be a different player when Stevie G isnt playing. Kuyt deserved a goal yesterday, he never stopped and the rest of them got their just rewards. BUT, its very early in the season to be getting carried away and at the end of the day we have only beaten two relegation candidates and a mid table team, though we were robbed against the Russians.
Its been a great start by recent standards, but lets not get carried away................YET
Words of wisdom from 5 Times - most unusual!
Judging by some other posts, I thought the Title had already been won . . . suppose it'll be like last season though and United will wait until May before collecting it!!!! AGAIN ;) ;) ;) ;)
Yes, because no one has included any qualifiers to their good impressions with Liverpool about it being early days and there being a long way to go.
Great teamwork being shown by the Liverpool lads. None of this ridiculous shooting from 35 yards when there's 2 or 3 lads in better positions ahead. Hopefully that's a sign of the new Liverpool approach rather than just a sign that Riise and Gerrard arent playing.
I'm in love with Javier Mascherano. Is there a better holding midfielder in the world? Shame he'll miss the Pompey game because of going to Australia to play a friendly for the Argies.
Pennant is on fire at the moment. Lot of talk on Sky Sports over the weekend about whether to play SWP or Bentley on the right side of midfield for England. No harm that nobody seems to have noticed that neither of them are a patch on our Jemmy at this moment.
The weak point of the team is central defence. Big Sami obviously has his weaknesses, given he's over the hill. Derby missed two sitters, at least one of which was down to Sami. But with Mascho in front of him and two great full backs to try and stop balls going in, we should be able to restrict the damage until Carra returns. I'm inclined to think Agger isnt playing as well as he did last year - if I'm right, hopefully its just a temporary blip.
What has Agger done? They've only conceded two goals in six games so far, both penalties, one very doubtful and the other given away by Carragher and questionable as to whether it was intentional or not. I haven't seen Agger do much wrong defensively, while he played a peach of a pass to Arbeloa for the Babel goal.
QuoteGerrard gonna be a problem. Not suitable for this team
Agree magpie. Only place I would put him is right back.
He has pace can tackle and is a better distributor than Finnan. Of course Sky, the beeb (and Gerard himself) would do a nut..
Very impressed with Liverpool's start but I keep wondering if Benitez is certain of his strongest team? Who's going to lose out, especially in midfield, Sissoko and Alonso most likely, though Alonso was excellent at the weekend. Excellent squad but it remains to be seen if they'll be happy as squad players. Would this be the strongest XI all being fit?
Reina
Finnan Agger Carragher Arbeloa
Pennant Gerrard Mascherano Riise
Torres Kuyt
what has Benayoun done wrong this season?
Good start for the Pool. I didn't/don't rate Torres, but he's slowly prooving me wrong. Someone hit the nail on the head there a wee while back, and stated that Liverpool's main problem is that Benitez doesn't know his strongest 11 and that could manifest itself later in the year.
It's certainly going to a lot more interesting title race this year, with very little between the 'big 4' and a group of 5, or 6 teams well capabale of taking points e.g. Spurs, Villa, Man City, Everton etc.
I hope the fact that Benitez and his assistant Ayesteran have fallen out with Ayesteran (leaving/left?) does not destabilize or have a negative influence on things this year.
I was worried there'd be too much tinkering with the team early on and that would cost Liverpool points. It still may, but at the moment there's no apparent weak links among the players being used. For 3 games in a row (Sunderland, Toulouse, Derby) the team has played in a very similar way - depsite the fact that the team for the middle game was totally different from the other two. There is no Zenden-type player this year, who automatically brings the level down when he comes in (personally I think the two weakest first team players in the squad, who get starts, are Riise and Crouch - but I can certainly live with that). Of course those were 3 poor teams - but at this early stage it does look like Liverpool shouldnt have many problems putting the poor teams away this season.
Does Bentiez know his best XI? Maybe not, but I dont think there's any such thing as a best XI any more, because it changes from week to week, depending on form, level of fitness and opposition.
And obviously the question hasnt been answered (coz it hasnt been asked yet) about how this team, the new guys in particular, will cope in the lashings of cold rain in the winter and when they are getting kicked around by the more physical teams.
The way Benitez operates he isnt worried about his "best 11". He picks the team based on opposition not on the current form of the individuals at his disposal..
In my opinion its not the way to go as it takes the trust away from the players.
It has worked for him in Spain and is a system more suited to Europe/knock out competitions, hence his success there.
I dont think it will work long term at a club as players will eventually get pissed off of not knowing where they stand but it may work this year in the Premiership.
Good Jamie Carragher interview on the Times football podcast.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/audio_video/podcasts/thegame/article2363430.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/audio_video/podcasts/thegame/article2363430.ece)
Quote from: Rossie11 on September 05, 2007, 09:22:56 AM
I dont think it will work long term at a club as players will eventually get pissed off of not knowing where they stand but it may work this year in the Premiership.
So a full season isn't long term? Benitez chooses players with the 'right mentality' for rotation, if they don't like it he will be ruthless as before.
I see Engerland want Gerrard to take a pain killing injection...
I was thinking about this and started to wonder if this injection could be classed as performance enhancing drug?
If Gerrard wasn't to take the injection surely if he played he wouldn't be able compete or play as well as if he did have the injection..Just wondered what everyone else thought.Obviously it's not a banned substance that will be used but technically it is performance enhancing
Quote from: Rossie11 on September 04, 2007, 09:13:33 AM
QuoteGerrard gonna be a problem. Not suitable for this team
Agree magpie. Only place I would put him is right back.
He has pace can tackle and is a better distributor than Finnan. Of course Sky, the beeb (and Gerard himself) would do a nut..
doubt he would like playing right back.
all this talk about a great start and being world beaters is too early imo.sunderland will be found out,11 players from this board could beat derby and are perenial problem of beating the top four still exists,even though we where robbed against chelsea.
the derby result was great win,but you have remember gerrards importance,who pulled us out of a hole on the first day?its great to have the current competition for places though and being able to replace 1 good player with another which until know rafa hasnt really been able to do.voronin has taken me and alot of people by surprise,seems be number three striker at the min ahead of crouchie
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 05, 2007, 10:39:35 PM
It cannot be classed as performance enhancing, it is merely a pain killing injection. The effects will wear off after 4 hours and he had one before the Chelsea game.
But he is able perform better with the injection than without the injection
LL - Once he has it, he should be able to perform at or close to his normal level. It wont make him any better than he normally is.
It's like if you damage your wrist - bandage it up - it wont help you, but you should be able to perform close to your normal level
Quote from: full back on September 06, 2007, 11:17:59 AM
LL - Once he has it, he should be able to perform at or close to his normal level. It wont make him any better than he normally is.
It's like if you damage your wrist - bandage it up - it wont help you, but you should be able to perform close to your normal level
Grand so!
Quote from: full back on September 06, 2007, 11:17:59 AM
LL - Once he has it, he should be able to perform at or close to his normal level. It wont make him any better than he normally is.
It's like if you damage your wrist - bandage it up - it wont help you, but you should be able to perform close to your normal level
Laoislad knows all about damage to the wrist :o
Unfortunately Fat Frank's injury has increased the chances of Gerrard playing. Just hope there is no long term damage.
Was in Champion Sports in Liffey Valley at weekend.They have the old Liverpool Candy jersey with the white dashes on it for sale
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Glen Hysen!
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 11, 2007, 05:14:12 AM
Any news on Jamie Carraghers injury?
CARRA TO STEP UP TRAININGJamie Carragher will step up training today in a bid to prove his fitness for Saturday's clash against Portsmouth.
Carragher is keen to be involved at Fratton Park but manager Rafael Benitez is unlikely to take any risks after the Reds' defender broke a rib against Sunderland last month.
"We must be careful with Carra, and we will wait until the end of the week to see how well he is," explained Benitez.
"He is running again and he will do more training and then maybe we can see if he has a chance to play at the weekend. At this moment, it's still too early to say."
Meanwhile, Benitez was delighted to see skipper Steven Gerrard come through Saturday's England clash with Israel with no ill effects after recovering from a broken toe.
"Steven did not need an injection and the fact he played with no problems and did well is good news for England, but even better news for Liverpool, thinking about our game with Portsmouth, added the manager.
QuoteLiverpool and Manchester United opposed Uefa president Michel Platini's plans for cup winners to qualify for the Champions League when 102 members of the European Club Forum met in Nyon, Switzerland. (Daily Mail)
Liverpool defender Fabio Aurelio returned to action in a behind-closed-doors friendly against Crewe on Tuesday after damaging his Achilles tendon in April. (The Times)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/6990547.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/6990547.stm)
Yeah, its not fair to make liverpool play this weekend when everyone else has the weekend off
in fairness, he means for all teams.
Its the same for all teams az. get on with it and shut up rafa!
that's you told AZ
Quote from: Uladh on September 13, 2007, 02:16:01 PM
Its the same for all teams az. get on with it and shut up.
Uladh go and get an ice pack for Fergies nuts and run along.
It's hard to come back against qiuck wit and repartee like that
Quote from: Uladh on September 13, 2007, 02:32:16 PM
It's hard to come back against qiuck wit and repartee like that
Its also hard to come back against dyslexia like the above post.
With the lovein going on on this thread over the last few weeks, the last thing this thread is more positiveness.
Tomorrow will be as tough as the Chelsea match, Portsmouth are a totally different proposition at home.
balboa saying this will be as difficult as the chelski game is going a bit far but i understand where you are coming from saying they are a different team at home.could see stevie g behind left out after playing those 2 games for england esp with people like pennant,alonso and benayoun being fresh from no games during the week.we are lucky there where international games last wee as we would have been without jamie and finnan at the back.a defence of arbeloa-hyppia-agger-riise doesnt inspire me with confidence.can see the strikers behind rotated over next 2 games also!
Only just tuned into match was working all morning...Andy Gray just said David James hasn't had a save to make yet in the second half...Can't be going well for the Pool so?
From what i have seen they looked happy to take a point from the game
Didnt see the game as i was working but its the kind of fixture we were losing last year. As long as we keep picking up points away from home we will be fine. Still only 2 goals conceded, both penalties.
Lucky to get away with a point today. Portsmouth missed a couple of sitters.
Would take a draw tonight..
Alonso Riise out,No other team news as yet
Good strong line-up, very attacking, surprised as Rafa is normally cautious away from home in CL.
Expect a victory with that line up.
Torres to score at least one. ;D
Great to see Aurelio back hope he gets a run in the team soon
Very shakey start while it is 1-1 now i think we look very dis organised and all over the place
So Liverpool get the first red card of this years Champions league I think, very ironic, they went ages last year without getting a red card!
Think Pennant deserved an England call-up lately but you have to admit the fella is obviously stupid. What goes through his head?
Didn't see it, but from the sound of the way things went, 1-1 away to Porto was a very decent result!
Good result v Porto. We are at the Mickey Mouse end of the competition where you have to get the required 10 points.
Poor attacking display, didn't pass the ball enough. Bad start seemed to knock them back.
Porto were poor enough in the end and lacked quality up front. Pennant was a bit silly but we coped alright with out him.
RTE boys been a touch critical of Rafa's tatics. Mightn't be pretty at times but I think they will get better as the year goes on.
Overall fairly happy with the point in what is prob the toughest away tie of the group.
Shocking result for Chelsea. Will Maureen last past Christmas?
It was a poor performance tonight but a decent result. They didnt keep the ball well enough & Gerrard was brutal in my opinion.
Pennant acted like an absolute ball-bag all night and was deservedly sent-off
i think pennant just tries to chase every ball and make every tackle in an attempt to show willingness, he just got a bit carried away last nite... It was more over eagerness than anything else.
Decent result, not a very good performance. Porto played really well in the first 15/20 minutes, but while they owned the ball for most of the rest of the game they never really threatened. Liverpool had 3 half chances in the last quarter and could even have taken an undeserved win. After the first quarter, Liverpool's defence defended very well. But the distribution was awful and contributed to Porto having so much of the ball.
Aurelio looked in A1 condition when he came on, so he should see plenty of action in the upcoming games
I think last night shows that Alonso is a huge loss to Liverpool when he's not playing. There's no passing game without him on good form. The amount of times Super Steve gave the ball away cheaply was untrue.
A point is not really a bad result away from home, sure half a loaf is better than no bread at all!
Typical pennant though, he simply cant tackle (bit like paul scholes)
Gerrard didnt set the world on fire but confident Porto can be turned over at Anfield for sure.
Very lucky to get a point last night, poor attacking performance from Mascherano and stevie G, as for pennant a waste of space, needs a shave and a hair cut, just does'nt do it for me at all.
But a point away from home is a good result especially after the below par display
That is probably the hardest match in the group out of the way already though so there is not too much cause for concern.
We will take the point away from home after a poor showing.
But last night again showed that despite what Sky reckon Gerard isnt (and never will be in my opinion) a centre midfielder.
Mascherano isnt a creative player so it was up to Gerard to provide the guile which is needed in Europe. He doesnt have it.
Great engine for bursting into attacking positions, great heart, spectacular goals but no footballing brain.
Right back, right side of midfield or not on pitch at all
Have to laugh at George Hamilton creaming himself at the ovation Ronaldo received from the Sporting fans as he went off tonight. Nothing they haven't been doing at Anfield for decades (former players that is, not Ronaldo)
Alonso and Agger out for 6 weeks, bollocks!!!
Bollix. Alonso will be a loss but with the amount of CM's we have it's a loss that can be dealt with. Agger on the other hand is a disaster. No harm to Hypia but he's done. Got turned over for his lack of speed against Porto and that will happen constantly. Just shows how dodgy it was not to get a decent back up to agger and Carra in the summer.
I wonder will he move Arbeloa or maybe even Riise (Think he's moved in before) into centre back now Aurelio is back? Sami is grand against your physical striker but as soon as he comes up against a speedster with good movement he's bucked!
Quote from: deiseach on September 19, 2007, 11:06:39 PM
Have to laugh at George Hamilton creaming himself at the ovation Ronaldo received from the Sporting fans as he went off tonight. Nothing they haven't been doing at Anfield for decades (former players that is, not Ronaldo)
I'm sure most clubs would do it...not just at Anfield.
Looks like Hyypia made the right decision to stay! Arbeloa can also play center-half if needed, and the return of Aurelio will free him up. At least we're not short of cover in the center of midfield, although Alonso had made a very good start to the season.
Liverpool TV about to air at 6pm, should be good viewing!
How considerate are they to delay the start of the transmission til after Neighbours!
Quote from: stiffler on September 20, 2007, 05:57:18 PM
Liverpool TV about to air at 6pm, should be good viewing!
How considerate are they to delay the start of the transmission til after Neighbours!
I have NTL Digital with the Setanta Sports pack but can't find the Liverpool channel..
Win tomorrrow would be great as Chelsea and United will take points of each other on sunday whatever the result
Is it any good?
If it's anything like Real Madrid TV, it's absolute gash. Corporate whoredom at its worst
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 22, 2007, 12:07:49 AM
I doubt it will be very corporate at all. Thats not the Liverpool way.
Er, whatever you say. But I've seen the crappy Supporters Club packs.
And been charged £10 to see a reserve team match. In Southport.
Very bad display from Liverpool so far,Don't look like scoring at all with ten mins left
o-o Final Score.
Just not good enough.
0-0 again. Awful performance from Liverpool. This wasn't one of those 0-0s where the away team hangs on by the skin of their teeth. They created very little at all until Torres came on, and even after that, once Crouch came on, they just lumped high balls towards the Birmingham box. Passes were hit either too short or too long, and there was little cohesion. The likes of Voronin and Babel were very poor, while I don't know how Setanta picked Gerrard out as man of the match! That's three poor performances in a row - hopefully they'll get it back on track quickly.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 22, 2007, 06:16:45 PM
Why did we pay over £20 million to leave him sitting on the bench, it is in these games that the league is won or lost. There is no point in saving him until we are out of contention. Benitez got it wrong today and has to take responsibility for it.
I don't know if Torres alone would have made a huge difference though. There was just something off about the performance today. No sign whatsoever, one or two isolated incidents aside, of the speed and movement that we saw in the first month of the season. Maybe Birmingham need a huge amount of credit, but Liverpool have been poor in general since the international break. None of those three games should be considered easy, in the sense that the wins over Derby and, to a lesser extent, Sunderland were, but Liverpool would have hoped for better performances and at least another two league points from them.
Quote from: FermGael on September 22, 2007, 04:54:56 PM
o-o Final Score.
Just not good enough.
Quite frankly, I think it's wonderful! :D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2007, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: FermGael on September 22, 2007, 04:54:56 PM
o-o Final Score.
Just not good enough.
Quite frankly, I think it's wonderful! :D
I agree :D :D
Did Stevie G throw his jersey at Rafa? :o :o starting to fall apart lads :-\
Quote from: new devil on September 22, 2007, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 22, 2007, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: FermGael on September 22, 2007, 04:54:56 PM
o-o Final Score.
Just not good enough.
Quite frankly, I think it's wonderful! :D
I agree :D :D
Did Stevie G throw his jersey at Rafa? :o :o starting to fall apart lads :-\
Yeah, we might as well just give up and hand it over to the free-scoring and rapidly disappearing over the horizon United.
J70 i am only winding. seriously but did Stevie g throw his jersey at him?
Quote from: new devil on September 22, 2007, 11:48:06 PM
J70 i am only winding. seriously but did Stevie g throw his jersey at him?
I hadn't actually heard. Gerrard was nothing to write home about today either, so I'm not sure what he would be upset about.
QuoteI doubt it will be very corporate at all. Thats not the Liverpool way.
You should take up a career in strandup. Liverpool way me hole. Where is the famous "pass and move" that was the real "Liverpool way". As I Said earlier on this thread Alonso is your main man. Some of you tools think a Danish hoofer is more important but I wouldn't expect better.
Quote from: new devil on September 22, 2007, 11:48:06 PM
J70 i am only winding. seriously but did Stevie g throw his jersey at him?
Well - you were the one who asked the question twice - you must have seen something otherwise you wouldn't have bothered your ass saying anything at all
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 23, 2007, 05:03:07 AM
QuoteI doubt it will be very corporate at all. Thats not the Liverpool way.
You should take up a career in strandup. Liverpool way me hole. Where is the famous "pass and move" that was the real "Liverpool way". As I Said earlier on this thread Alonso is your main man. Some of you tools think a Danish hoofer is more important but I wouldn't expect better.
Your rational, friendly tone aside, what people were saying was that while Alonso will be missed, Liverpool have plenty of cover in central midfield. Whether they're all as good as Alonso is a separate issue. The only recognised centre-half cover for the "Danish hoofer" is the aging Hyypia. Understand?
Very disappointing performance yesterday. Never looked like scoring until Torres came on with 30 minutes to go and nearly scored with a bicycle kick and put a clever backheel through for Crouch. The international break seems to have taken the wind from our sails and the injuries to Agger and especially Alonso haven't helped. Xabi does help in adding some fluidity to our attacking play and Agger brings the ball out of defence better than anyone else. The best we can say is that we still haven't conceded a goal in open play yet this season. Just 2 penalties. So we are looking solid.
Think people are getting a bit hacked off with Rafa's rotation now. Twice in a week he left Torres on the bench. No reason for it IMO. We have a Carling Cup game this week and he could have been rested for that instead. That said the team that took the field should still have been good enough to beat Birmingham even with the bus parked in front of their goal.
Need to go to Wigan next weekend and win.
What the hell is the point in paying £26 million for a player and not playing him, is he saving him so he will be fresh later in the season when we are 15 pts behind and out of contention? A few bad traits coming back into play, if we are unable to break a team like Birmingham down what does that say about us?
Quote from: Balboa on September 23, 2007, 10:11:29 PM
What the hell is the point in paying £26 million for a player and not playing him, is he saving him so he will be fresh later in the season when we are 15 pts behind and out of contention? A few bad traits coming back into play, if we are unable to break a team like Birmingham down what does that say about us?
You's are shit :-\
Quote from: new devil on September 24, 2007, 12:45:03 AM
Quote from: Balboa on September 23, 2007, 10:11:29 PM
What the hell is the point in paying £26 million for a player and not playing him, is he saving him so he will be fresh later in the season when we are 15 pts behind and out of contention? A few bad traits coming back into play, if we are unable to break a team like Birmingham down what does that say about us?
You's are shit :-\
Once again New Devil shows himself to be the mental midget we have all believed him to be, please try and post something sensible just once, then maybe just maybe we will only see you as being partially mentally retarded. I am willing to give you a second chance.
Fernando Torres starts as Rafa Benitez names a strong side to face Reading at the Madejski Stadium.
The Reds boss has made several changes from the side that faced Birmingham City at the weekend with Fabio Aurelio making his first start of the season.
Peter Crouch will partner Torres up front while Brazilian youngster Lucas makes his first full appearance in a Reds shirt.
Team: Itandje, Finnan, Aurelio, Carragher, Arbeloa, Leto, Sissoko, Lucas, Benayoun, Crouch, Torres. Subs: Martin, Gerrard, Riise, Hobbs, Putterill
rested torres in the premiership to play him in a weakened side in the carling cup? dont really see the point in that at all
1-1 at the moment
That is the first goal from play that Liverpool have conceded all season, all others were from penalties.
Nando!!!!!!
3 great goals by Torres.
Now please play him the league Rafa you numpty.
I think its about time the rotation policy in the league got the deadner...
(As they say in Armagh)
So we're rotating Torres so we can maximise the chances of winning the Carling Cup? :D
There's nothing wrong with rotating players, as long as you don't drop the key and class-apart men like Torres for important games. Rotate away with the likes of Riise and Pennant and Crouch.
I actually agree with the rotation, i just think Rafa has it arse ways at the minute!
Keeper,2 central defenders, 2 of 3 in central midfield and Torres should play majority of the league games. Torres can play with any of the otehr strikers as he is quick, hard-working but most importantly very clever. The team should be built around this spine and rotate the others.
Good win, Reading have gone back a lot. What a shower of hackers they have become, a lot of very dangerous tackles. The most impressive thing for me in it all was that they targetted Torres with some brutal challenges and he still stuck a hat-trick. The sign of someone who will go far.
Special mention for GOD. Still banging them in for the Welsh ones, 37 League cup goals during his career, not bad for a has been :D
Quotethere were 3 men offside for their first goal.
I had a couple of glasses of wine taken when I saw these goals but are you sure you understand the offside rule?
ive been impressed with the way torres has been picking himself up after he gets clattered, that was a bit of a concern when he signed - how hed handle the hatchet men like duberry and bikey last night
Aha - but were they "active"?
Seanie, the lad directly in front of the Liverpool keeper was clearly interfering with the Goalkeepers view, and was therefore active, and offside.
Edit. This is from an explanation of the offside rule, by offside-ref.co.uk
Commiting an Offside Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play
interfering with an opponent
gaining an advantage by being in that position
Thing I liked most about Torres last night (apart from the goals) is that he was kicked up and down the park all evening but he kept working hard and kept coming back for more. The lad seems to have a great attitude and is certainly dispelling fears that he would struggle to adapt to the hatchet men of the premier league. He is well able to hold his own in the physical exchanges.
I cant really get my head around Torres playing last night, but not starting against Birmingham. However, the team that started on Saturday were well able to win the game, and if they had ended up winning there would not have been too many complaints about leaving Torres on the Bench.
I think Alonso was missed on Saturday, and believe it or not Luis Garcia. That was the sort of game he would have thrived in.
All is not lost though, were still in touching difference to Arsenal and its still early doors. What we need to do is be more clinical up front with our opportunities.
I was dissapointed in not seeing Jack Hobbs get a start last night. If there are a few more injuries in our defence he will have to be pushed into the starting eleven. 90 minutes under his belt would have done him the world of good.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 26, 2007, 11:59:22 AM
I had a couple of glasses of wine taken when I saw these goals but are you sure you understand the offside rule?
If one of them had been standing any closer to the goalie he'd have knocked the goalie over.
Might be an interesting tactic - plonk a striker directly in front of the goalkeeper at all times. As long as he doesn't attempt to go near the ball then he's not offside . . .
Is that not what Peter Crouch does?
Quote from: stiffler on September 26, 2007, 12:05:47 PM
I was dissapointed in not seeing Jack Hobbs get a start last night. If there are a few more injuries in our defence he will have to be pushed into the starting eleven. 90 minutes under his belt would have done him the world of good.
I too would have liked to see Jack being played. Supposed to be playing exceptionally well for the reserves. Big strong lad and a game against a premiership side would have done he the world of good. Shame Rafa didnt start him after talk of the possibility of a senior start for the lad.
Yeah, it could be argued that the lad in the line of the keepers view was "active" alright but i'm not sure its conclusive. I think we'll all agree on this though - the rule is no complete bollix.
Like a few here I simply cannot understand Benitez playing Torres last night but not in the league last weekend. Makes no sense.
:)
QuoteLiverpool boss Rafael Benitez has demanded greater protection from referees for striker Fernando Torres.
Benitez was furious with the treatment dished out to Torres as he scored a hat-trick in the 4-2 Carling Cup win at Reading on Tuesday.
He said: "I was trying to make my feelings clear during the game about how he was being kicked all the time.
"The answer is clear. Players with quality must be given better protection by officials."
Benitez added: "You need to protect key players. It is important that if you want to see better football you need to protect the players with quality then we'll see more goals and maybe people will be happier.
"People keep wondering whether Fernando will be in the starting line-up on Saturday when they should be asking why he isn't getting more protection.
"That is the real question and it needs addressing. Every time he goes out there he faces a physical problem from centre-backs. People have to decide if they want football to be worth watching or not.
"It is fortunate that he is a strong boy and can stand up to the challenge, but there is always a chance he could pick up an injury that may keep him out for two or three days - or even two or three months."
Benitez, meanwhile, says his squad rotation system will pay dividends at the end of the season.
He did not start Torres in the goalless draws with Portsmouth and Birmingham before the forward scored a hat-trick at Reading.
"I don't need Torres for playing Birmingham if I have Dirk Kuyt, Andriy Voronin and Peter Crouch," he said.
"I need the speed of Torres in the last game of the season - maybe a Champions League final or to win the league."
"Those are the decisions of a manager," he added.
Despite Torres' triple in the Carling Cup win over Reading, Benitez said it does not guarantee him a starting place for the Reds at Wigan on Saturday.
"When you are playing for winning trophies you must analyse everything and say 'OK for the last 10-15 games I need Torres fit'," he said.
"People are talking about players playing a lot of games now. They can do it. I don't say that they can't.
"You can play 20, 25 or 30 games in a row. No problem. Everybody can do it. The problem is at the end of the season after 30-40 games.
"The last 10-15 games you are playing for trophies and you must be fresh, ready and fit."
never like to see finnan dropped :-[
1-0 away to Wigan. Good win in the end. Didn't look like they were going to do it for a long time, as quite a number of chances were missed and given up at the other end. Apparently a Wigan forward missed a free header from six yards out in injury time! Nice goal from Benayoun according to the Liverpool FC internet commentary.
Quote from: J70 on September 29, 2007, 04:55:34 PM
1-0 away to Wigan. Good win in the end. Didn't look like they were going to do it for a long time, as quite a number of chances were missed and given up at the other end. Apparently a Wigan forward missed a free header from six yards out in injury time! Nice goal from Benayoun according to the Liverpool FC internet commentary.
Phew!!!! ;D
the goal
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1423084
Thinking this might be (relatively) easy one for the Reds, I made the mistake of following it on Soccer Sat . . ., sorry, Gillette Soccer Saturday. Every oooh and aaah from the Greek chorus watching the games knocked a few days off my life expectancy.
Liverpool have a tough month ahead of them in the league:
Spurs (h), Everton (a), Arsenal (h) and Blackburn (a)
QuoteLiverpool have a tough month ahead of them in the league:
My prediction:
Spurs - win
Everton - win
Arsenal - draw
Blackburn - lose
Quote from: J70 on September 29, 2007, 08:21:31 PM
Liverpool have a tough month ahead of them in the league:
Spurs (h), Everton (a), Arsenal (h) and Blackburn (a)
The last 3 are, but I wouldnt call Spurs at Anfield tough at this moment in time.
I Predict:
Spurs - Win
Everton - Lose
Arsenal - Lose
Blackburn - Win
Way to go Stevie, run that wee lad over...
Only jokeing, thing is that he has visited the child in question, who happens to be a United supporter, in hospital and stayed there for a few hours, he brought him a signed England shirt and a pair of Rooneys boots :D
Quote from: Goin Down on October 01, 2007, 05:13:42 PM
Everton - Lose
If we can't do better than Metalist . . .
I see there was a bit of crowd trouble on Saturday, Wigan fans reacted badly to Liverpool fans when they celebrated the winner. Once again shows how well behaved GAA fans (most of the time) are to their soccer counterparts.
Another kid in.
Benitez beats Real to 'new Messi'
20070929 13:59
Liverpool have signed a 16-year-old Argentinian prospect from Real Madrid - who is being dubbed the 'new Leonel Messi'.
Rafael Benitez has swooped to capture the schoolboy star from the Spanish giants, taking advantage of the same loophole in junior contracts that enabled Arsenal to snap up Cesc Fabregas from Barcelona.
Gerardo Bruna will arrive at Anfield on a three-year deal, carrying a big reputation after dazzling performances in midfield for the Real Madrid youth set-up.
Spanish newspaper AS reports the deal today as a major blow for the Madrid club who had likened his talent to that of Messi.
Bruna is half Spanish and has an EU passport which means he won't need a work permit to play in England
Peter Crouch returns to the Liverpool side to partner Fernando Torres up front against Marseille.
Sebastian Leto also makes Rafa Benitez's starting XI, while for the visitors Djibril Cisse has to settle for a place on the bench.
However, Bolo Zenden will line up against his former teammates.
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Finnan, Aurelio, Carragher, Hyypia, Sissoko, Gerrard, Benayoun, Leto, Torres, Crouch. Subs: Riise, Voronin, Arbeloa, Kuyt, Babel, Itandje, Mascherano.
Is this on any tv or live on the net at all?
Benitez is going to rotate himself out of a job........
Rotation had nothing do with it. Just a bad display from a team that don't seem confident enough to play or pass the ball. Gerard way off his game, Momo played like a Traroe in midfield, no natural width and just a very bad day at office that has been building over the last few games.
Rotation my arse...good players can play well with each regardless of if they never met before, these players train day in day out, they know how to pass to each other and how to run for each other. Rotate up Andy Grays arse for all I care.
On a side note, if going out of group stages gives a better run at league title lets go all out and lose the rest of the group games and avoid the UEFA cup.
So you think that was the strongest available team Bingobus?
Can we get the sniper from Parkhead down to do a job on Sissoko at Anfield?
Bar Leto on the wing it was a very strong team.
Who was to come in? Mashercano..quality player but is Siisoko miles worse. Normally not. Babel hasn't done anything of note apart from goal against Derby while Benayoun has eanred a place after his half hour at the weekend.
Crouch is an England International and should be able to trouble a second rate French side.
Only replacing Leto would have strenghted the team to any great extent with Riise, who was equally bad against Wigan at weekend? Babel- see above?
This display was on the cards - we've been bad V Porto, Birmingham and Wigan. This display was on the cards and hopefully will be a kick in arse.
If the manager is averaging just under 5 changes per game how can any team expect to gain some momentum or rhythm? A number of the players have had their confidence shattered, most of all Crouch who now looks like he'll never get a goal. Surely a settled team, injuries permitting, would be a better team.
Professionals or not you can't just throw them together in different partnerships every week hoping they click together. You need to work on these things and become accustomed to these things in big games, training together is totally different, but then I suppose you have to look at his record and say how can you argue.
Think he's holding hte team back though at the minute IMO
Shocking display. One of the worst under Rafa. We've been awful ever since the international break. The departure of Pako at the same time along with the injuries to Agger and Alonso seem to have had an affect on the team. Couldn't believe how bad Momo was. When he's good he's fantastic but when he's bad he's bloody rotten. Should have been subbed early on. Gerrard too has been completely out of sorts since he went off to play for England with his gammy toe.
Rafa needs to get the team playing again because I think the fans are getting tired of the constant rotation now. He's very stubborn though so I don't think he'll change. We have some tougher games coming up so we need to get 3 points from Spurs on the weekend.
Didn't see it (mercifully it seems!) as I was working. There's no excuses for losing at home to a struggling team like Marseilles, even if we haven't been too hot of late either. Its a good job United had a slow start and Chelsea are struggling a bit too, otherwise Liverpool might be starting to slip back into the pack. They'd better get it together quickly, in the league and in Europe. They probably can't afford to lose another champions league now at this stage, and may have to go to France and beat Marseilles. And after Spurs on Saturday, its Everton, Arsenal and Blackburn. The form of the last few weeks will not be near good enough to keep Liverpool in the hunt going into November.
Tuned in for a few minutes near the end and maybe I'll have to accept you guys are right about the great Anfield Euro nights atmosphere. The fans never stopped singing and made great noise. Funny how they were all wearing that light blue and white strip - must be a new away strip or something.
Ive always thought sissoko was rubbish - i know all the plusses "good engine", "braks up play", but come on, the man cant pass the length of himself.
He wins the ball (when he doesnt try to take someones leg off at the knee), strides away and then passes it 5 yards to the opposition. How the feck can someone like that be expected to replace the likes of Hamann!
Bingobus - mascherano is miles better than sissoko
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 04, 2007, 12:30:21 AM
Shocking display. One of the worst under Rafa. We've been awful ever since the international break. The departure of Pako at the same time along with the injuries to Agger and Alonso seem to have had an affect on the team. Couldn't believe how bad Momo was. When he's good he's fantastic but when he's bad he's bloody rotten. Should have been subbed early on. Gerrard too has been completely out of sorts since he went off to play for England with his gammy toe.
Rafa needs to get the team playing again because I think the fans are getting tired of the constant rotation now. He's very stubborn though so I don't think he'll change. We have some tougher games coming up so we need to get 3 points from Spurs on the weekend.
My sentiments too GalwayBayBoy.
Rafa's stubbornness was highlighted perfectly when, after his explanation about leaving Torres out against Birmingham was that how little space he would get and therefore other strikers would be more suitable, he was then asked was he now shown to be wrong about leaving Torres out after his hattrick against Reading. He replied along the lines of - "It is clear. You can see what Fernando can do when he gets space." Infuriating!
A point too about the atmosphere lastnight. It was very flat from the start. Maybe both the team and the supporters thought it was a matter of turning up? The Marseille fans were excellent and were a credit to their club.
Sissoko makes Danny Murphy's passing look on a par with Jan Molby!
Bingobus......Mascherano is a far superior player to Sissoko, how often does Mascherano give the ball away? how often does Sissoko?......Sissoko is possibly the kind of player you need in an away game when you are under the cosh but he does not offer enough in a home match when we should be attacking a team. A sfor the fans, they need something to feed off, they were not getting it last night.
I would always pick Mash above Sissoke but regarding giving the ball away have you not seen the last few games? Mash has been as guility of giving the ball away as much as anyone. He's been poor of late, although Sissoko took it to new levels last night. But we all thought he had turned the corner this season, against Sunderland he was MOM in manys eyes.
My point is that a team should never put in a display like that. Regardless of 5 changes, Marseille are fourth for Bottom of French league and have just appointed a new manager. Yet they passed us of the park. Did we even look to pass it? Nasa must be looking at the Liverpool Centre backs to luanch the next space probe, we hit that many long balls from the back.
I would be far more worried that we have no structure ot our game, that making 5 changes from the weekend, that shouldn't have weakened the team imho.
Going on what the lads said on TV last night, Rafa picks his team to suit the opposition. In that case he severely underestimated OM and got his homework wrong, simply as that really. I think the product of all the chopping and changing could be seen in someone like Momo, who, while not the best passer, is normally very alert and forceful, looked like a guy short of game time. Sticking in Leto showed a complete lack of respect for the French also. Nothing against the lad, he's a young fella learning his trade, but in the two games I've seen him in he's been as timid as a mouse, and standing on the sideline like he would rather be in the dressing room. Not his fault he's selected for a champs league match. Was the team not changed at the last minute, as that weasn't the side publicised earlier? I thought Mascher and Babel were due to start?
That's the worst perfomance I've seen in 10 years. Momo was awful his second touch was always a tackle, his 1st touch was that bad. Leto wasn't much better. He reminds me of Zenden. No pace but a half decent left foot. Crouch again looked well short (no pun intended) of the pace. I could go on but that'll do me for now.
Please Alonso hurry up and come back from injury
Gawa, Alonso hasnt been firing on all cyclinders this past 2 seasons although i do respect his passing is usually up to scratch most of the time which it definatly wasnt last night from a Liverpool team that looked fresh out of ideas. Never ever seen them play worse, can anyone remember if we even created 1 half decent scoring opportunity until the 89th minute???
Only man that can hold his head up last night was Steve Finnan as usual, totally reliable, totally dependable got forward and defended well.
Im a big fan of Sissoko but he had his worst game in a Liverpool jersey last night - agree with the opinion that the team is not settled and this is affecting players...their is a big difference between a training game and a real game no matter what anyone says.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 04, 2007, 09:39:18 AM
Tuned in for a few minutes near the end and maybe I'll have to accept you guys are right about the great Anfield Euro nights atmosphere. The fans never stopped singing and made great noise. Funny how they were all wearing that light blue and white strip - must be a new away strip or something.
Yes, it was all lies all along.
Not too worried about the result. Given the choice between three points in this and three points in the league, I know which I'd prefer - not only because the league is the priority, but they can recover easier from three points dropped in a four-team group where finishing second is somewhere (so to speak).
But the performance seems to have been rank. You can't just switch it on and off, and it's been off for a half-dozen games now. Worrying.
Quote from: deiseach on October 04, 2007, 02:28:21 PM
Not too worried about the result. Given the choice between three points in this and three points in the league, I know which I'd prefer - not only because the league is the priority, but they can recover easier from three points dropped in a four-team group where finishing second is somewhere (so to speak).
But the performance seems to have been rank. You can't just switch it on and off, and it's been off for a half-dozen games now. Worrying.
Its all very well to say we're not pushed about the Champions League and would prefer the league, but as you then say, you can't just switch it on and off depending on the competition. If the team was playing as it should, keeping up in the league AND quickly accumulating the necessary points to get out of the group should not be a problem. If they don't find form quickly, they could be out of the running in both, very soon.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on October 04, 2007, 08:46:09 PM
Hopefully that is the bad performances over for a while, we cant play as bad again, but I am very worried about the defence, Carragher cant keep covering for everyone.
Hopefully thats what it is, just a bad patch. If it lasts any longer we could be out of the title race & Champions League so they would need to get their collective fingers out, starting with the Spuds on Sunday. The scum are not playing that well either but they are still taking maximum points and if they finally click they could be out of sight.
Quote from: J70 on October 04, 2007, 02:33:34 PM
Its all very well to say we're not pushed about the Champions League and would prefer the league, but as you then say, you can't just switch it on and off depending on the competition. If the team was playing as it should, keeping up in the league AND quickly accumulating the necessary points to get out of the group should not be a problem. If they don't find form quickly, they could be out of the running in both, very soon.
I'm not saying I'm not pushed about the CL. Memories of Istanbul - ah, the endorphins are lifting my weary spirit aleady - make sure of that. I'm saying that if we lost last weekend and won in midweek, I'd have been more annoyed than with what happened.
I agree with the lot of what you say. I need to lie down . . .
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 04, 2007, 09:39:18 AM
Tuned in for a few minutes near the end and maybe I'll have to accept you guys are right about the great Anfield Euro nights atmosphere. The fans never stopped singing and made great noise. Funny how they were all wearing that light blue and white strip - must be a new away strip or something.
and sure what the fcuk would a Manchester United supporter know about experiencing a good nights atmosphere at a European game?
I had the pleasure of being in Liverpool on Wednesday and got taken to the game by a client - very poor performance and the euro atmosphere really was a let down!
Stayed in The Radisson and spent the late night with the Marseille team - Cisse and Zenden were really good to all the fans and Lou macari was there celebrating Celtic's Win - great night!!!!!!
I think Wednesday night proved that, despite what Jaimie Redknapp and the boys think, Steven Gerrard's best position is NOT central midfield. We were completely over-run in midfield, I know Momo was crap, but so was Stevie. Either play him on the right wing or in behind a lone striker, but he can't do the nuts and bolts of central midfielder's job. he's a great player but NOT a great central midfield player.
Any updates on when Alonso is due back?
Quote from: mackers on October 05, 2007, 10:31:29 AM
I think Wednesday night proved that, despite what Jaimie Redknapp and the boys think, Steven Gerrard's best position is NOT central midfield. We were completely over-run in midfield, I know Momo was crap, but so was Stevie. Either play him on the right wing or in behind a lone striker, but he can't do the nuts and bolts of central midfielder's job. he's a great player but NOT a great central midfield player.
Any updates on when Alonso is due back?
Gerrard has been playing like a pub player the last few games, people say Alonso hasnt been at his best the last 18 months but there is a huge drop off when he is not playing. His control of the game & passing is what is being missed at the minute,its all very hurried without him, Sissoko couldnt pass water and Gerrard is always looking for the killer ball each time he gets it. Alonso will be out for another month i think.
Quoteand sure what the fcuk would a Manchester United supporter know about experiencing a good nights atmosphere at a European game?
:D
Just exploding a myth.
The simple reason as to why Liverpool did not beat Marseilles was they underestimated them. The manager by gambling on Leto and the players by not getting stuck in. Gerrard looked totally uninterested, and is it a coincidence that Liverpool's best three performances this season came when he was injured?
Crouch isnt good enough to start for Liverpool, never has been, never will be. He should be on the bench for European games and in the stand for league games.
Pressure is now on in Europe. Still no reason Liverpool shouldnt win their remaining 4 games, so long as the attitude is correct.
Big game v Spurs on Sunday. The return of Mascherano will be a big plus, and no doubt they'll play with a bit of passion this time. I'd play Torres and Voronin up front.
Quote from: Hound on October 05, 2007, 01:46:35 PM
The simple reason as to why Liverpool did not beat Marseilles was they underestimated them. The manager by gambling on Leto and the players by not getting stuck in. Gerrard looked totally uninterested, and is it a coincidence that Liverpool's best three performances this season came when he was injured?
Crouch isnt good enough to start for Liverpool, never has been, never will be. He should be on the bench for European games and in the stand for league games.
Pressure is now on in Europe. Still no reason Liverpool shouldnt win their remaining 4 games, so long as the attitude is correct.
Big game v Spurs on Sunday. The return of Mascherano will be a big plus, and no doubt they'll play with a bit of passion this time. I'd play Torres and Voronin up front.
I was thinking the exact same thing. He's a great player but the whole team does not revolve round him.
Not sure about the "not interested" theory though, if it was a one off performance I would agree with you, but they have not played a decent game of football since the international break and Aysteran (sp.?) leaving.
Glad to see Torres and Voronin up front, with Crouch and Sissoko dropped from the squad.
But the team needs to put in a big performance to get back on track.
Rafa's selection plays wonder again
The Ponytail scores
Robbie Keane 1-1 on the stroke of half time
This game on tv?
Don't think so, couldn't get it anywhere
2-1 to spurs. oops.
send for the robot...
Kinell
2-2 Torres scores in injury time
Looks like Spurs are going to be the team involved in classic draws this season....... ;D
What a relief. What with losing in midweek, an unwanted guest who can't get my name right and the best pet in the world going missing, I thought things couldn't get any worse. Thankfully they didn't, but it was close
If i was a bookie i would start paying out on United winning the league now......
I am hugely disappointed about recent results and this has been symtomatic of Liverpool of recent seasons, October/November has been where they have gone out of the running for the league.
However, while Rafa blamed the last international games for a poor turn in form, I actually think the break could not have come at a better time. The next two games will either make or break the season in regards to the league, the derby and the gunners at home. If Liverpool can get 6 points from these two games, then they are right back in it with the Gunners only 3 points maximum in front of them and Liverpool level on points with Manure with a similar goal difference.
It is not great but it is hardly all doom and gloom. Lets face it Torres has scored 7 goals so far, the defence has been reasonably solid, even though Agger is desperately needed, Gerrard can only get better and Alonso has to come back.
Be optimistic lads!
5Times
I agree that teh defence has not been playing well but they have conceded only 4 goals in 8 premiership games and 4 more in the rest of the games, including 2 in the Carling cup, so for all their poor play they still are not conceding much. It may be luck, but it is still pretty mean.
I think they will ride the current bad run and come out of it on the up.
Indeed this season this defences performance has set alot more uneasy with me. However, the facts do not back up this feeling. Maybe because the defence has always been head and shoulders above the forwards and midfield they have looked unreal but with the attack somewhat performing the defence may not look as mighty. The stats support the fact that the defence is doing well. Forget the carling cup, 2 goals from open play so far in the premiership is excellent.
If anything i think its up front our problems are
v - Sunderland 2-0
Had numerous chances and only sealed it with a few mins left
v- Chelsea 1-1
Should have won match comfortably
v - Birmingham 0-0
Wouldn't have scored if we were still playing them now
v - Portsmouth 0-0
same as Birmingham match
v - Wigan 0-1
Left it until the 75min before midfielder Benayoun scores
v - Spurs 2-2
Should have been 2 or 3 up by half time left it very very late to equalise
Only expection was Derby match
We miss agger at the back - a much more mobile option than whats there, and hes prepared to bring it out as well, rather than hit and hope
I think Agger and Alonso are both big losses. That said, if we can get to the end of November within 6 or 7 points, there's still a decent chance for LFC. It just seems to be deja vu again.
Not sure if the Liverpool fans have seen this :D
http://www.fantasyrafa.com/ (http://www.fantasyrafa.com/)
Any word on Torres and how his injury is? We are gonna need him for Everton on saturday
Don't think he's going to be avaliable.
Also see that rumours of Riise heading to Aston Villa in Jan. 6 Mill being quoted for him.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 15, 2007, 07:11:34 PM
Any word on Torres and how his injury is? We are gonna need him for Everton on saturday
Injured Torres eyes derby return
Torres has been in impressive form in his debut season in England
Liverpool striker Fernando Torres says he is desperate to return to fitness in time to play in Saturday's Merseyside derby against Everton at Goodison Park.
Torres, 23, pulled up while training with Spain and a scan on Monday "confirmed an adductor injury", said a statement on Liverpool's website.
But Torres, who has scored seven goals for the Reds, said: "I intend to be fit for Saturday. I don't want to miss out.
"I've been told how special the game is and I need to be ready in time."
Torres has been in fine form for Liverpool since moving from Spanish side Atletico Madrid in a £26.5m deal in the summer.
He added: "I am very happy at Liverpool and I've learnt a lot - I love being at a big club like this.
"I have played in big derby matches before. I played for Atletico against Real Madrid and I'm looking forward to enjoying something similar in the Premier League."
Torres missed Spain's 3-1 win away in Denmark on Saturday as his side boosted their hopes of qualifying for Euro 2008 from Group F.
LIVERPOOL have eased fears that Fernando Torres could miss the most crucial week of their season so far.
The Reds striker tore a thigh muscle in training with Spain on Friday, and missed their 3-1 win in Denmark the next day.
Spanish physio Genaro Borras initially cited his recovery period as "eight to 10 days," but Melwood staff are hopeful he will be available for a week which includes a Merseyside derby, a crucial Champions League clash in Istanbul and then the visit of title rivals Arsenal to Anfield.
Torres' injury was analysed this morning and the player will begin a period of intensive treatment.
With fellow striker Dirk Kuyt also receiving treatment for a minor hamstring strain, Torres' injury is a headache Benitez could do without.
Ryan Babel, meanwhile, will be hoping to win over Dutch coach Marco van Basten this week after missing Saturday's defeat by Romania because he overslept.
The Reds winger was left out of the starting line-up as a punishment, after twice missing team meetings.
Van Basten explained: "It was the second time that Babel overslept on a match day. That should never happen.
"That's why I left him out of the team. Robben trained hard and he is fit, so he played instead. It is very well possible that Babel feels disappointed. It is also not my style to handle these kinds of things this way. But we also expect that players obey rules during a match.
"The first time that he arrived too late, he settled the matter with a joke.
"The second time he joined us too late for the meal and that was a bit too much. He has to appear on time, just like all the others."
Babel, 20, came into the match in the 78th minute as substitute for Robben but could not prevent the Dutch from losing 1-0 to Romania in a clash between the two Group G leaders.
The Reds, meanwhile, have confirmed assistant manager Pako Ayesteran's departure from the club, but effectively ensured he cannot work for any of their rivals by keeping him under contract until next June.
A statement issued by chief executive Rick Parry said: "Following discussions between Rafael Benitez and Pako Ayestaran, it has been agreed that it would be in the best interests of all parties if Pako leaves his post as assistant manager. Pako, however, will remain under contract to us until next summer.
"The club thank Pako for his hard work and contribution to our success over the past three years."
Quote from: Balboa on September 04, 2007, 10:12:38 PM
I hope the fact that Benitez and his assistant Ayesteran have fallen out with Ayesteran (leaving/left?) does not destabilize or have a negative influence on things this year.
Balboa saw it in the stars.....
Quote from: 5iveTimes on October 15, 2007, 11:37:19 PM
Quote from: Balboa on October 15, 2007, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: Balboa on September 04, 2007, 10:12:38 PM
I hope the fact that Benitez and his assistant Ayesteran have fallen out with Ayesteran (leaving/left?) does not destabilize or have a negative influence on things this year.
Balboa saw it in the stars.....
You reading The Sun again?
Again? ???
should there really be a debate on whether to play robben or babel? surely robben is a lot better?
Quote from: DMarsden on October 16, 2007, 10:56:22 AM
should there really be a debate on whether to play robben or babel? surely robben is a lot better?
Eh?
I think Diarmuid is referring to Babel getting dropped by Holland at weekend in favour of Robben, because he slept in.......twice.
i was responding to the content of your post, which had the story, GBB
Looks like Torres will not be playing today :(
Terrible from Liverpool in the first half,ater a bright start we just went out of it altogether..
Despite the fact the goal was a own goal from Hyypia Everton deserve their lead
Half Time
Everton 1
Liverpool 0
Penalty for Liverpool......................Hibbert sent off :o
Kuyt scores peno!!!!!!!!!!
1-1
Game hots up...
Everton have penalty claim turned down Riise misses great chance for Liverpool
Quote from: 5iveTimes on October 20, 2007, 02:19:26 PM
WTF is Benitez at? Taking Gerrard off when he clearly doesnt want to? FFS it was his run that brought the goal.
We have to win this game.
I understand your point and agree but then again no player is bigger than the team,Lucas has done well since he's come on..
Babel is a big disapointment for me he's had plenty of chances to send in a good cross and fluffed them all
Lucas has done very well indeed. Surprising as it was, Gerrard's substitution hasn't had any detrimental effect. Now if they could take one of these chances...
Another peno for Liverpool..........Neville sent off. :D
Kuyt scores
2-1 Liverpool
It was a good save from Neville all the same!
Would have been nice to see Lucas get the winner though.
All over...
Liverpool were very lucky today and didn't deserve to win..Should have been a Everton penalty right at the end
It looked dodgy all right. I guess the ref thought he was backing in.
Hopefully that will turn things around. I only saw the second half, but I thought they played all right in that period. It was a 100-miles-an-hour derby game - you're never going to dominate completely.
Jamie Redkapp doesn't think it was a penalty..
I agree that Benitez is using strange tactics at moment..
Great win yes but in fairness they didn't deserve it in my opinion,You would never have guessed that Everton were down to 10 men and thats a worry in my opinion..
Babel hasn't impressed me at all this season so far,Thought Lucas was very good when he came on and pity he didn't score but wasn't it great to see one of the Neville sisters getting sent off.
I have a feeling Crouch will be gone in the new year,He seems to be gone out of favour completely,
I think we need another 20 goal a year striker as Voronin and Kuyt are not of that mould
Doesn't get much sweeter than that today...didn't play well today but got the result in the best possible fashion against the rivals. Rafa still very negative though. Should be playing Stevie G center midfield as we all seen how dangerous he is when he breaks from the middle. You cannot play Sissoko & Masc at the same time...cant fault heart but lack of creativity. Anyway 3 points is the most important thing.
Neville to replace Robbo in nets for England - it was a great save
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 20, 2007, 02:55:22 PM
Jamie Redkapp doesn't think it was a penalty..
I agree that Benitez is using strange tactics at moment..
Great win yes but in fairness they didn't deserve it in my opinion,You would never have guessed that Everton were down to 10 men and thats a worry in my opinion..
Babel hasn't impressed me at all this season so far,Thought Lucas was very good when he came on and pity he didn't score but wasn't it great to see one of the Neville sisters getting sent off.
I have a feeling Crouch will be gone in the new year,He seems to be gone out of favour completely,
I think we need another 20 goal a year striker as Voronin and Kuyt are not of that mould
how many 20 years a goal strikers do we need? ???
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 20, 2007, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 20, 2007, 02:55:22 PM
Jamie Redkapp doesn't think it was a penalty..
I agree that Benitez is using strange tactics at moment..
Great win yes but in fairness they didn't deserve it in my opinion,You would never have guessed that Everton were down to 10 men and thats a worry in my opinion..
Babel hasn't impressed me at all this season so far,Thought Lucas was very good when he came on and pity he didn't score but wasn't it great to see one of the Neville sisters getting sent off.
I have a feeling Crouch will be gone in the new year,He seems to be gone out of favour completely,
I think we need another 20 goal a year striker as Voronin and Kuyt are not of that mould
how many 20 years a goal strikers do we need? ???
what ??? if you read my post i said i think Crouch will be gone so that means he's gonna have to buy another striker and as Kuyt and Voronin aren't of the 20 goals plus a season mould and with all the chances we are missing we need someone who will put them chances away and Torres can't do it all on his own..
And i said 20 goals a year as in a season not as you say 20 years a goal
sorry - it's early here - and I'm still hungover
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/shut-the-f**k-up/kuyt3-2.jpg)
I think that was a massive result but i couldnt see us winning when it was 11 v 11, the finishes of Sissoko & Voronin (lump of shite analogy was correct today) near the end were a f**king disgrace. Would have had Pennant on earlier, Benitez is almost impossible to second guess at the minute, and he would have been hammered for taking the golden boy off if we didnt win. I also thought Andy Gray was his usual biased **** self today, when Gerrard was taken off i thought (hoped) he was going to have a heart attack, its as if someone like Rooney, Gerrard, Terry are not allowed to be tactically substituted in a game. Agree Masch and Sissoko cant play in the same team, one or other, and it should be Mascherano. As for Sami, thanks for the service but get your coat the taxi is outside. Missed Torres hugely today.
Benitez said in his interview after game that he took Gerrard off because he wanted players on the pitch who played with their head rather than their heart
Geez lads you were steeped in it today!
First penalty was outside the box, and the ref COULD NOT have seen the offence. Evertone should've had one an maybe two penalties...and how in under geez did Kuyt stay on the field for that tackle in the 2nd half!! In addition what was Stevie G doing influencing the ref....and Carragher! Every time I looked he was in the ref's face!!!
Couldn't believe you stole it.
Next weekend's a big'un with Chelsea v Man City, Liverpool v Arsenal, and United going to the Goons in a fortnight's time.
Jesus Christ, how much did the ref cost?
Yep, Everton were rode by the ref big-time. Unbelieveable.
The biggest positive after the game was the celebration, good to see in regards hunger. Man shoe always celebrate when they get a result against the odds. Looks like we got payback today for the dodgy Chelski penalty (swings and roundabouts)!
Liverpool have proven beyond doubt they are still a fair bit off being Championship winning material.
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 21, 2007, 08:12:32 PM
Liverpool have proven beyond doubt they are still a fair bit off being Championship winning material.
Maybe, but they are hanging in there, unlike recent seasons.
Of course they need to beat Arsenal next week!
QuoteLooks like we got payback today for the dodgy Chelski penalty (swings and roundabouts)!
Was the dodgey pen v Chelsea not payback for the dodgy free v Villa?
I'm confused ;)
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 21, 2007, 08:48:13 PM
QuoteLooks like we got payback today for the dodgy Chelski penalty (swings and roundabouts)!
Was the dodgey pen v Chelsea not payback for the dodgy free v Villa?
I'm confused ;)
There is a big difference between a soft free thirty metres from goal and a ridiculous penalty!
But as the more reasonable Liverpool supporters accepted at the time, these things are just part of the game. Some days they go for you, some days they go against you.
Jaysus that was the equivalent of the great escape. From what I saw of it, Gerrard dived, Lescott was mugged and Kuyt should have been red carded. Absolutely steeped. Mind you, you always need luck to have a good season. The problem is you must ally that luck to good form as well. This result won't be worth a knob of goat's sh1t if Liverpool's form doesn't pick up soon.
wasnt it easy to see Mark Clatenburg accompanied them to Asia last summer............
Lucky, lucky Liverpool. Firstly, Gerrards dive for the penalty. If a non-English player did that there would be war over it. The minimal contact that was made was defo outside the box. Wouldn't be too concerned about Gerrard reminding the ref of the rules but it shows the ref up for the fool he is. Then you had two penos for Everton not given, the second one was completely undeniable. Thirdly the Kuyt "Bruce Lee" attempt at a tackle. Must have been a sickener for Evertonians to see him stick the winner when he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
Amidst all the madness Benitez showed that he is finally copping on the the fact the Gerrard is a fraud. It was completely the right decision to take him off. He is an expensive luxury for their team to carry. In one off cup games he can make a difference but over the course of a season he doesn't do enough. When Alonso comes back its the bench for Stevie and eventually a move to the continent.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 22, 2007, 11:48:31 AM
Lucky, lucky Liverpool. Firstly, Gerrards dive for the penalty. If a non-English player did that there would be war over it. The minimal contact that was made was defo outside the box. Wouldn't be too concerned about Gerrard reminding the ref of the rules but it shows the ref up for the fool he is. Then you had two penos for Everton not given, the second one was completely undeniable. Thirdly the Kuyt "Bruce Lee" attempt at a tackle. Must have been a sickener for Evertonians to see him stick the winner when he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
Amidst all the madness Benitez showed that he is finally copping on the the fact the Gerrard is a fraud. It was completely the right decision to take him off. He is an expensive luxury for their team to carry. In one off cup games he can make a difference but over the course of a season he doesn't do enough. When Alonso comes back its the bench for Stevie and eventually a move to the continent.
For once Seanie i agree with you, about Gerrard anyway ;) He gives the ball away too often, i think it is apparent how much we miss Alonso when he is not there, his isnt as flash as Gerrard but all he does is pass the ball to a Liverpool player, when Lucas came on for Stevie G he kept the ball well and we started to utilise the extra mans advantage.
Liverpool
25 Reina
03 Finnan
23 Carragher
04 Hyypia
06 Riise
16 Pennant
08 Gerrard
20 Mascherano
19 Babel
10 Voronin
18 Kuyt
Substitutes
30 Itandje, 11 Benayoun, 14 Alonso, 15 Crouch, 21 Lucas, 22 Sissoko, 46 Hobbs
Just got two tickets for Liverpool v Arsenal at the weekend ;D ;D ;D
As for tonights game nothing only a win will do,here's hoping :-\
1-0 down.
Another Sami own goal.
If Sami was a horse he would f**king be put down......
Can't blame him so much for that. If anything Carragher was more at fault after actually making a good tackle
Quote from: Balboa on October 24, 2007, 08:22:30 PM
If Sami was a horse he would f**king be put down......
If Ryan Babel was anygood he wouldn't be playing for Liverpool
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 24, 2007, 08:24:42 PM
Can't blame him so much for that. If anything Carragher was more at fault after actually making a good tackle
Maybe so but he looks as if he has the high heels on all the time.......he isnt athletic enough, he would make a good bouncer, thats about it.
True, he's been like that for a while, what's Agger's injury situation?
Liverpool look pretty clueless going forward there, going to need a bit of individual brilliance to score
Liverpool seem fairly ****** again. They need to got rid of that rotation policy or somthing has them ruined, mabye they just need to get rid of Rafa.
Wonder is there any chance he'd take the Ireland job? ::)
I dont know if its the rotation policy, the defence has been playing like a pub team lately. I think we were all getting carried away with Voronin at start of season, he doesent half miss some chances. Gerrard is still going for the killer ball and giving it away.
Gerrard hasnt been performing well since he broke his toe. Carragher isnt having half as good a season as he did last season either. I'd say Finnan is their best defender at this moment in time.
Finnan has been very unsteady this season actually. Carragher and Hyypia have generally been doing well O.Gs aside.
I still dont think Carragher is anywhere near as good as he was last season.
I'd be bringing on Crouch and Lucas about now
Marseille one up at home to Porto. probably good news for Liverpool. They'll go clear and the other three fight for second
What a miss from the turks :o
Holy crap he missed!!!!!!!!
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 24, 2007, 09:18:41 PM
Marseille one up at home to Porto. probably good news for Liverpool. They'll go clear and the other three fight for second
1-1 now
BOLIX >:(
2-0, good goal but you could probably accuse Hyypia of diving in and making it far too easy for the Turk
that's that then
Come on 2-1
I wonder is Hyypia been paid by opposition teams to score 1 OwnGoal in each game he plays?
4mins injury time
Brutal...Too pissed off to say anything else >:(
The Gunners will murder us if we play like that
Oh and one more thing Ryan Babel is a f**king joke..He lost the ball in the second minute of injury time and sat on his hole on the ground as Liverpool tried another attack so far in all the games i have seen him he's been nothing only a donkey and a massive waste of money
The season (as in winning anything meaningful) could be just about over this weekend. If that doesn't shake them out of this slump, nothing will.
They got what they deserved.....f**k all. The wheels are close to coming off this season.....Voronin- not good enough, Babel- not good enough (maybe there is more to come) Riise - has the touch of a rapist, Pennant - not good enough Hypia - finished
Liverpool desperately missing possibly their two best passers at the club, Agger and especially Alonso. Gerrard is obviously a great passer but always tries the 40 yard killer ball. Can never control a game at midfield the way Rafa obviously wants him to
These wankers are banging on about why Crouch didnt start and that little Stevie was out of this world tonight, i dont know what match they were watching.
Quote from: Balboa on October 24, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
These wankers are banging on about why Crouch didnt start and that little Stevie was out of this world tonight, i dont know what match they were watching.
I agree that they are going OTT about Gerrard but i think Crouch should have started too..Voronin and Kuyt are too alike too play together in my opinion
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 24, 2007, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: Balboa on October 24, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
These wankers are banging on about why Crouch didnt start and that little Stevie was out of this world tonight, i dont know what match they were watching.
I agree that they are going OTT about Gerrard but i think Crouch should have started too..Voronin and Kuyt are too alike too play together in my opinion
When you say alike do you mean both are shite?
Quote from: Balboa on October 24, 2007, 10:10:37 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 24, 2007, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: Balboa on October 24, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
These wankers are banging on about why Crouch didnt start and that little Stevie was out of this world tonight, i dont know what match they were watching.
I agree that they are going OTT about Gerrard but i think Crouch should have started too..Voronin and Kuyt are too alike too play together in my opinion
When you say alike do you mean both are shite?
Wasn't my orginal thought but now that you mention it.......
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 24, 2007, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: Balboa on October 24, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
These wankers are banging on about why Crouch didnt start and that little Stevie was out of this world tonight, i dont know what match they were watching.
I agree that they are going OTT about Gerrard but i think Crouch should have started too..Voronin and Kuyt are too alike too play together in my opinion
Rio has scored more that crouch this season :D :D :D :D
What happend to 'in Rafa we trust'???
I see the blinkers re the great 'stevie G' are starting to slip....
Hello all the vultures are circling.
Quote from: Goin Down on October 24, 2007, 09:32:48 PM
I wonder is Hyypia been paid by opposition teams to score 1 OwnGoal in each game he plays?
That goal wasn't Hyypia's fault! The one to blame there was Carragher - he did really well to win the ball cleanly, then he just blindly scoops it away, it rebounds off Finnan to the forward, rebounds of him before he flicks it to his team mate, he totally scuffs his shot, it bounces awkwardly and hits Hyypia, only beating Reina because of the deflection. Shite goal, but not Hyypia's fault.
QuoteThe Vultures can circle all they want, the Vultures will never be as successful as Liverpool.
Unless of course the "vultures" are AC Milan or Real Madrid and as for the others - well the way 'pool are going its only a matter of time!
Bad position but its such a piss poor group that if Liverpool come back to any sort of form they'll still get through.
lads, asa fellow red, i think we have problems;
very little genuine pace in our team, finnan,carra,riise are ok, but no flyers, i'l not mention sami, (and it wasnt his fault for the goal);
likewise up front;
for the ones slaggin babel, at least he showed, and tried to take his man on; i think there is ability there;
think the vorinator is more a super sub type of player who is being found out; losing patience with kuyt too; for all his huffing and puffing; there has been very little goal threat recently;
and stevieg tries the holywood pass too much, doesnt overly seem to want to get overly involved in paly unless its him on the end of the goal chance....
so there ye go; i think we have problems!!
i know we are missing alonso,agger and torres, 3 big players, but i thought we were meant to have this brilliant squad that could cover for all eventualities....
having said all that, we'll beat the arse 3 zip on sunday.......
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 24, 2007, 10:08:49 PM
Quote from: Balboa on October 24, 2007, 10:01:13 PM
These wankers are banging on about why Crouch didnt start and that little Stevie was out of this world tonight, i dont know what match they were watching.
I agree that they are going OTT about Gerrard but i think Crouch should have started too..Voronin and Kuyt are too alike too play together in my opinion
They said that about Tevez & Rooney....
Crouch should never start for Liverpool, but he should have been on a lot earlier, esp. as they are throwing long balls into the box!
I actually rate Kuyt (Even though you lot don't!), he should have a fruitful partnership with Torres.
Babel looks very un fit. He could hardly move at the end! Benayoun should start!
What's all the fuss about Mascherano?? Terrible player!
Might put a couple of pound on Liverpool winning the UEFA cup this year! ;)
QuoteWhat's all the fuss about Mascherano?? Terrible player!
Can't agree there GDS, I know you're a United fan on wind up duty today :D, but MAscherano is the new, fitter Did Hamann. Our problem in Midfield is Stephen Gerrard cannot play as a traditional central midfielder. I know he runs around and makes tackles, but he is just not your prototype central midfielder, despite what Sky Spurts say about him. He is a fine player, and would be a great player if you absolved him of any positional responsibility, but he seems to think he is a midfield general, and he isn't. No fault or harm to that, but if you try to accomodate him there, the midfield gets unbalanced. There is no linking up at all. The little passes keeping possession that Liverpool were so good at 20 years ago, and that practically every European team can do with ease.
I think this would be my Liverpool team to play in games where the Opposition pose a threat.
Reina
Finnan Carragher Agger Arbeloa
Pennant Alonso Gerrard Mascherano Riise
Torres
And my team for home games against Birmingham, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Wigan etc etc would be
Reina
Finnan Carragher Agger Riise
Pennant Gerrard Alonso Babbel
Torres Kuyt.
in the first formation, I wouldn't play Gerrard 'in the hole' I would just make him an auxiallary centre fielder with a a licence to pop up wherever he wants, and go forward. Masch and Alonso would be the more disciplined midfield men. Obviously there will be injuries, suspensions etc, but in those two formations, Sissoko could replace Mascherano, Benayoun could replace Babbel or Pennant, Gerrard could move out right, and obvoiusly Voronin and Crouch could replace Torres or Kuyt. I also think Crouch will be on his way in January.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 24, 2007, 11:28:36 PM
I see the blinkers re the great 'Stevie G' are starting to slip....
Stevie G coming for a lot of 'unjust' stick in my opinion. If the team itself isn't clicking ifs very hard for one player to lift the whole team when they are all obviously playing with zero confidence. As Eamon Dunphy said last, Gerrard can do the spectacular in the final third of the pitch, its beyond this point where he has no influence in the game.
I would like to see him play in behind the strikers, closer to the goals where he is more dangerous and when he is driving at defences because when he goes froward he is mighty hard to stop. Strikers really pissed me off last night, every ball that went up to them didn't stick and when your forwards cant keep the ball it puts pressure back on the midfield and defence straight away.
Agree Dirty Dozen, I have great time for Stevie G, I just do not think he is a 'proper' central midfielder. Gerrard doesn't control games the way Jan Molby, Graeme Souness, Gelnn Hoddle, even John Barnes later on, used to do. He is more effective, as you say, popping up in strange positions and influencing the game from there. Sometimes though, you just need to pass the ball from A-B-C and back to A.
As an onlooker with Chelsea Backgorund, if one was to look at the table
Played Points
Marseille 3 7
Porto 3 5
Besiktas 3 3
Liverpool 3 1
Now assuming Liverpool win all three matches and get to ten points in theory they may not be assured qulaification:
If Porto beat Marseille in the next round of games they would move to 8 points with Marseille on 7.
If Porto and Marseille both take full points from Besiktas and liverpool beat both teams, rather likely, then would it come down to goal differences and from looking at an indepth table Liverpool have scored 2 and conceded 4, not good.
The problem now facing Rafa is that in his next three CL games he has to start his best XI to get the full nine points and a few goals to boost teh difference. The problem arises that due to the loss of his asst mangers and the fact he rotates more that fairground attraction i personally dont think he knows who his best XI are:
My team would be
Reina
Finnan Carra Agger Risse
Gerrard Alonso Mascherano
Benayoun Babel
Torres
Or something similar to this, the well reknown Mourinho 4-3-3.
His team
Reina
Finnan Carra Agger Arbeloa
Gerrard Alonso Mascherano Risse
Kuyt Torres
It doesnt look good for Liverpool.:)
A blessing in disguise perhaprs but it is not possible to overlook such a bad performance. The turth in the matter is were still not up to standard. When I heard Torres was out I wondered where the goals would come from. There is no creative spark except when Torres is there.
Reina is as solid as they come, a new decent sub keeper may be a good purchase but he is one of the best in the World in my opinion.
Defence: Our solid base for years now seems to be coming in for some unjust flak. The mistakes have been more frequent his year bu the likes of Ferdinand makes plenty too but he is still a class act. Hyypia has been playing excellent despite the two ogs'. His spped is suspect but his positioning and reading is as good as Carraghers. Regarding Jamie a big mistake last night. Just because he has not been making spectacular challenges i.e Champions League campaign 05, he has still done his job brilliantly bar Spurs. Finnan has me worried. In the Premierhip he has been fine but in Europe he has lost like a lost puppy especially last night and Porto away.
Riise will always be an enigma with me, a great orward player but not the best defender. His decision making is not good enough. I never thought I would say that we missed Arbeloa but we certainly did last night. Himself and Aurelio have come through after shaky st\rts are are deemed good enough squad players in my book.
Agger is a class act and is learning all the time, enough said.
Overall defence verdict: Two signings needed before start of next season (Will not say January because that is wishful thinking). Celchini (sp?) The Juve defender has been touted. I always maintained letting Milito slip was a mistake and alas Barca pounced.
Midfield: The song says we have the best midfield in the World, sadly we have one of the worst midfielders out of the 'big four', stand up Sissoko. He punched above his weight for a couple of years and his now showing his true quality, poor. Gerrard is another one to sort out. He whinged for playing on the right but he has no real defensive qualities. However Alonso and Mascherano can do that for him and he will come good.
People were saying Alonso has had a few bad years. Ok he did not score from his own half but people need to look at what he does do. He does what Hamann done superbly for years the 'dirty work'. A class act who has been missied significantly. Mascherano is pure class. He has the touch of a baby elephant but his tidying up excuse this unlike Sissoko.
Bable for me has looked terrible. A risky gamble that will not pay off. Yossi has started brightly and merits his place on the squad. I am Pennants biggest fan but he needs to kick start it soon. On form he is deadly and his assists stats the last few years have been excellent. Kewell is a lost cuse.
Midfield evaluation: A quality winger needed in summer: Mancini or Quaresma please. Either one will be enough to turn this team around.
Forwards:
Crouch is getting a hard deal but at the same time when he has played he has been awful, a player low on confidence. He just needs that one goal like when he first joined. The chances are few and far between though.
Kuyt: Great worker but the jury is still out. His goals against Evertonwere his first in the Premiership this year, a damning statistic as he has got plenty of playing time.
Vornin: He is exceeding all expectation, not surprising as he was a free. An average player doing well. The fact he is having success should not cloud the fact he is not good enough.
Torres: A star for years to come.
Forward evaluation:
We need a first rate stiker to play with Torres. Villa would be ideal but I think he signed a new contract. When E'to returns from injury it will be interesting to see who gets dropped. I think it will be him which may open the door for Rafa.
Overall: we are still two starters and a couple more squad players away from challenging United.
Istillthink Liverpool will go thru but if they fail to qualify from what is arguably the easiest Champions League group ever, I think Benitez will have to go if he doesnt finish at least 3rd & win the FA Cup.
Excuse my language but who gives a f**k about the FA Cup.
Liverpool might the way they're goin.
To be honest, going out of the Champions League wouldn't upset me greatly this season if it meant Rafa would stop the crazy revolving doors policy with the first team.
QuoteExcuse my language but who gives a f**k about the FA Cup.
Every manager under pressure does. It has meant the difference between the sack and glory. It has saved Ferguson's, Mourino's and Wenger's ass at times.
Quote from: corn02 on October 25, 2007, 11:18:45 AM
Excuse my language but who gives a f**k about the FA Cup.
I'm going to take a guess that you're under 30 and have been brought up in the 'football began with the Premiership era', otherwise you wouldn't be making that statement.
As far as football in Engerlund the order of importance is
League
FA Cup
Europe
League Cup
Always has been and always will be.
It once was Sammy, but can you honestly say the big teams see the FA Cup as more important than the champions league??
No chance.
Sammy, I'd say that order has slightly been skewed now. Notwithstanding individual club circumstances, i.e. Chelsea and Unilted wanting a CL above all at the moment, I would think that on average, to both fans and teams they would rank
1. League
2. Champions League
3. FA Cup
4. UEFA Cup
5. League Cup
Interesting article by Paul Tomkins on the official site today.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG157443071025-1458.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG157443071025-1458.htm)
Traditionally stronger from the start of winter onwards, the foundations for a title challenge have been laid, even if the scaffolding is currently a bit wobbly.
But there's been a clear reversal of fortunes with the European form. While far from out, and while still capable of winning the necessary games, it's very much an uphill climb.
But I really don't understand any criticism of the manager over the European form, given it's an area where Benítez has excelled since his arrival at Anfield. He's a European master, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed in it every season. Particularly when deprived of three of his best five signings: the spine of Agger, Alonso and Torres.
It's been an undeniably poor Champions League campaign so far, but only five months ago the team went to Athens in optimistic mood. I know you can't live off the achievements of last season, but equally you can't say that current form is definitive of the quality of the team or the manager, and ignore the recent past.
Arsenal, this weekend's visitors at Anfield, are currently in supreme form, but that won't last unbroken until May. There will be injuries, and there will be disrupting factors, such as the African Nations Cup. And if they're still going well both major competitions in the New Year, something will inevitably have to give. It always does.
Even defeat at home to Arsenal on Sunday will not mean Liverpool's season is over, or anything remotely like it.
I loathe this kind of thinking about the game. It's the kind of thinking that suggests Liverpool were better off sneaking out of the back door of the Ataturk at half-time when 3-0 down to AC Milan. Success in sport often means overcoming the odds. It's about riding out difficult patches and finding strength to go again. It's what winners do.
Nothing is over in the league with three quarters of the season left, unless you're right down the bottom and in dire straits. Perhaps the reason I seem optimistic to some is simply because I don't feel the Reds are going to win every game and stroll through any given season, therefore I don't hit rock bottom every time things don't go our way. I expect a bumpy ride, but to arrive somewhere satisfying come May.
You'd think no other teams in the history of the game ever had slumps. I'm not denying that the team are playing below their capacity, but we have to get away from the finality that surrounds the thinking at such times. Man United were woeful at the start of the season. Now they can do no wrong. It happens.
I will continue my attempts to move football debate away from sensationalist "all or nothing" rhetoric. All valid criticism and concerns over form –– which are natural –– get lost in a sea of hysterical overstatement. Every defeat is a disaster, signalling the end of the world.
You just have to look at Arsenal, to see how big clubs with classy players and a quality manager can find things change dramatically from one season to the next, often unexpectedly so. Two seasons ago Arsenal made the Champions League final. The following season they flunked at the first knock-out stage, to a team Liverpool subsequently dispatched with consummate ease.
Are Liverpool now a bad side in Europe? Does Benítez no longer understand continental football? Of course not.
Just as, in 2005/06, Liverpool hadn't suddenly become a bad European side when losing to Benfica in both legs without scoring. (Coincidentally, Benfica were managed by Ronald Koeman, the same man who undid Arsenal last season, and on whom Rafa reaped revenge.)
Indeed, sandwiched between the less remarkable league seasons of 04/05 and 06/07, it was Liverpool's best league season in terms of points since 1988. I keep harking back to the stat, but to win 66 per cent of league games in a season is proof Benítez knows English football; only Bob Paisley won more league games in a season for the Reds (based on 38 games), and even he did it just once.
It shows what can be done. When Liverpool ended with 82 points, just 17 months ago, Arsenal were way back on 67.
Maybe it all seems a bit schizophrenic, but Alternate Season Syndrome can be quite common. Few top teams do consistently well in the same competition year after year. As soon as you do well in one competition, you become a more valued scalp. If you did less well in another competition the year before, the pressure is lifted a little.
And once you do well in one competition, everyone suddenly says you should be concentrating on another.
You only need to look at Benitez's past for evidence of Alternate Season Syndrome, starting with his first season at Valencia. The pattern reads: league title, league disappointment (5th), league title, league disappointment (5th), league "success" (Liverpool's highest domestic points tally for 18 years), league disappointment (3rd, but fairly off the pace). So far this season, the pattern is very much in place.
Confidence is a strange thing, as at times it can attach itself to one competition and not another, depending on how things are going. Teams in the relegation zone can go on a good cup run, and teams doing well in the league can balls it up in the cup.
I felt Liverpool had turned a corner in terms of overall confidence after beating Everton, and there were some signs of that against Besiktas; for the second game running there was a first half where the opposition's only shot on target was an unfortunate Sami Hyypia own goal.
Whereas in the league the Reds just refuse to be beaten, rescuing last-minute points, in Europe the belief isn't as strong this time around.
While we are digging out results of one kind or another in the league –– apparently the sign of a good team when not playing well –– the fact that Liverpool aren't at their best means the chain can break at its weakest point, and after the defeat at home to Marseilles, the weakest point this season seems to have become the Champions League.
The same thing happened in those two legs against Benfica –– it coincided with a dodgy spell for the club in the Premiership, but whereas a paucity of goals in the league didn't stop the Reds picking up a few key 1-0 wins here and there to keep towards the top of the table, in Europe it proved costly.
You can see a similar thing with both of this year's French opponents. Toulouse are actually doing much better than Marseilles in the French league, but the floor was well and truly wiped with Toulouse at Anfield in August. Marseilles' confidence, meanwhile, is totally in Europe.
Getting back to the Premiership, last year Arsenal looked a pretty unremarkable team. Now, with the addition of virtually no-one of any note, and the departure of a world-class striker, they suddenly look pretty remarkable. The very same thing can be said of Manchester United a year earlier, when they signed only one player and sold van Nistelrooy.
Arsenal's away form in the Premiership last season was poor. As was Liverpool's. This year, the two have the best away records in the division. So things can change –– sometimes frequently within a season, other times from campaign to campaign.
I'm actually more certain than ever things are moving in the right direction at Liverpool, in that the players Benítez added this summer are capable of taking the team to a new level, but it's not quite gelling at the moment. There are signs, flashes, and there have been games when it's come together perfectly, but there are a lot of quality additions in need of bedding in to form a cohesive unit.
In rotating, Benítez has actually been giving each of the new players a steady taste of the action. He could have stuck three or four of them into the team at once at the start of the season, and persisted with the same side, and maybe they would all be in top form now. Who knows?
But if they'd struggled in those initial games, as can easily happen with any new signings, Liverpool might not have even made the Champions League, while points could have been dropped earlier in the league that, as equally-big-spending Tottenham have found, makes clawing them back incredibly difficult. Then everyone would have been even more hysterical.
Man United added a few expensive players, but as champions they only really needed Tevez immediately. Arsenal added no major players, and you can see the continuity there. Benítez had no such luxury. He is still trying to unify his most significant summer's rebuilding work. The fact that he's had to introduce new players while losing key spine players to injury going back to the start of the season has made life more difficult.
One new boy, Ryan Babel, showed some real touches of class in Istanbul –– he uses his body brilliantly, and has amazing control and balance, not to mention a real turn of pace; I doubt John Barnes was much different, or indeed any better, at just 20. Babel's got a lot of developing still to do to bring his game together, to learn when to pass and when to go it alone, but his talent is clear to see.
Benayoun is such a clever player who can open teams up with his movement and vision. Voronin is a versatile attacker who has already managed four important goals. Lucas already looks a quality all-round midfield general at just 20. And of course, Torres is the kind of world-class striker who can make a difference for a long time to come. So the quality is there, it's just a question of bringing it together, and bringing out the confidence.
Believe me, I do not defend Benítez for the sake of it, or because it's expected of me. I defend him because I'd defend any Liverpool manager who I feel has what it takes. I'd like to think I'd have done the same for Shankly and Paisley during their difficult periods, particularly early in their tenures, and especially with Shankly during his seven trophy-free years from 1966 to 1973.
And if Benítez's Alternate Season Syndrome continues, then there should still be a lot of interest come May, and plenty more to write about.
Quote from: corn02 on October 25, 2007, 11:18:45 AM
Excuse my language but who gives a f**k about the FA Cup.
I do.Always loved FA Cup Final day and especially when Liverpool are in it..Will always remember the two Merseyside finals in the late 80's
Quote from: SammyG on October 25, 2007, 11:57:31 AM
Quote from: corn02 on October 25, 2007, 11:18:45 AM
Excuse my language but who gives a f**k about the FA Cup.
I'm going to take a guess that you're under 30 and have been brought up in the 'football began with the Premiership era', otherwise you wouldn't be making that statement.
As far as football in Engerlund the order of importance is
League
FA Cup
Europe
League Cup
Always has been and always will be.
So from 77 to 84 you would have swapped the 4 Europen Cups for 4 FA Cups ?
Regarding Paul Tomkins artcicle, i have read his stuff quite few times and the glass is always half full for him and the red tinted glasses are always on, which i suppose they have to be as he is contributing to the official website. If he asked searching questions of the team/manager he would be out of a job sharpish.
As for importance of trophies -
League
Champions League (Swap those round for Chelsea & United)
FA Cup
League Cup
QuoteLeague
Champions League (Swap those round for Chelsea & United)
The CL can never take precedence over the league but rather is the icing on the cake having won the league. A team can't claim to be the best in Europe if they aren't even the best in their own country.
Quote from: Balboa on October 25, 2007, 09:37:28 PM
Regarding Paul Tomkins artcicle, i have read his stuff quite few times and the glass is always half full for him and the red tinted glasses are always on, which i suppose they have to be as he is contributing to the official website. If he asked searching questions of the team/manager he would be out of a job sharpish.
As for importance of trophies -
League
Champions League (Swap those round for Chelsea & United)
FA Cup
League Cup
I think Tompkins is spot on regarding the knee-jerk reactions of the media and fans though, whether to the recent bad form or the rotation. Is it Benitez' fault that the likes of Gerrard, Sissoko, Carragher and so on are in relatively poor form, or that Alonso and Agger have been injured for the past six weeks? And even Ferguson and Wenger have been through the "have they reached the end of the line?" bullshit over the past five years. Let the man do his job. He's proven he's a winner in the past, there's no reason why he can't do it again.
Id take CL over FA cup as well, but the FA cup is still a very important competition.
Bad news about Pennant,Wasn't his biggest fan last year but i thought he had started this season quite well
Any word on Torres?
Quote from: 5iveTimes on October 26, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
Pennant is out for 10 week's :(
Liverpool have been rocked by the news that Jermaine Pennant requires surgery on a stress fracture of his right tibia and faces 10 weeks on the sidelines.
The winger limped out of the Red's Champions League defeat at Besiktas on Wednesday night and the club tonight confirmed he had been carrying a problem for almost the whole of this season.
He will go under the knife this weekend.
Club spokesman Ian Cotton said on the Reds' official website, www.liverpoolfc.tv: "For the last eight weeks Jermaine has undergone intensive treatment at Melwood between matches for the injury.
"But following an acute exacerbation of the problem during the game against Besiktas, it has now been decided he requires surgery.
"We anticipate Jermaine will be out for approximately 10 weeks."
Makes that smart mouth Ray Houghton eat his words now. He said that players always develop a 'limp' when they are substituted, implying that there was nothing wrong with Pennant. Bad news about Pennant, though he was playing well this year, looked a lot more dangerous than Babbel the against Besiktas.
I am under 30 Sammy but I have a sound knowledge and appreciate the value of the FA Cup historically. I love the competition but my statement was in regards to Liverpools situation not the competition as a whole. Rafa will be judged on the league this year and winning the FA Cup will do nothing to help him in my view if he performs poorly in the league. It is third on the agenda for the Big Four so therefore of no significance this year.
1-1 probably a fair enough result in the end, given that, for all their obvious technical superiority, Arsenal didn't create that many chances.
They still looked very impressive though, and assuming they don't suffer a serious run of injuries, they should be well in with a chance for the title.
Liverpool didn't create much either, and with Alonso and Torres probably out again for another while, you'd have to be worried with games like Blackburn away coming up next. They mind grind out draws in those sort of games, but the rest will be disappearing off into the distance if Liverpool don't snap out of this slump soon. Mascherano was superb (is there a better ball-winner around?), but some of the other players such as Riise look to be struggling. Crouch should've done enough to earn a starting position next time out, but that isn't guaranteed. I'd be more inclined to leave Voronin in there instead of Kuyt, as he seems to have a good eye for a through pass, but his first touch lets him down a bit, which isn't good when you need someone to hold up the ball (which is something Kuyt is excellent at)!
Hard to know whether Liverpool can mount a challenge. They're still there, but the gap is growing by a point or two each week.
Was a great atmosphere in Anfield yesterday and a cracking match to be at,Was disappointed we didn't get the win but relieved we weren't beat my 3 or 4 which we easily could have been.
Thought they played far better in the second half compared to the first and Crouch made a big difference when he came on.
Would have been nice to get the 3 points but lucky really to get the 1.
Arsenal are some team to watch live in the flesh,the movement off the ball and the passing they do is just mesmerising
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 29, 2007, 05:12:55 PM
Was a great atmosphere in Anfield yesterday and a cracking match to be at,Was disappointed we didn't get the win but relieved we weren't beat my 3 or 4 which we easily could have been.
Thought they played far better in the second half compared to the first and Crouch made a big difference when he came on.
Would have been nice to get the 3 points but lucky really to get the 1.
Arsenal are some team to watch live in the flesh,the movement off the ball and the passing they do is just mesmerising
In fairness even though Arsenal hit the post twice Liverpool had plenty of chances too and Almunia had to pull off a few good saves (once from Gerrard and twice from Crouch). Arsenal had a lot of possession but Liverpool had the better chances until the last 10 minutes. I thought a draw was a fair result. Didn't help us that were virtually playing the game with 9 and a half men (Torres never looked fit to play and Alonso was only a bit better). Then Mascherano played the final 15 minutes on one leg he was limping so bad.
Terrible news that Torres and Alonso have reinjured themselves again. Neither of them looked right yesterday. Torres gone for 3 weeks and Alonso for a month. Mascherano just has bad bruising thankfully. Injuries are killing us this season. Carra missed a few weeks earlier on and now Agger, Alonso, Torres and Pennant all have significant injuries. I guess it's some consolation that we're still unbeaten in the league given the run we've had but we haven't been able to build up any kind of momentum at all. Our home form in particular is dodgy.
Thought Crouch did really well when he came on and wasn't sulking. Unlucky not to score. He always seems to give Arsenal problems and I'd have him in the team ahead of Voronin and Kuyt anyday if he could keep up that level of performance. Gerrard too seems to be getting back to some good form.
Just have to try and stay in touch with the leaders now while we get over this run of injuries and hope that we don't lose too much ground. Away to Blackburn next weekend so that'll be another tough one.
Pack 'er up for the season folks
QuoteLiverpool have been dealt a blow with the news that Fernando Torres has been ruled out of action for three weeks with an adductor injury.
A Liverpool spokesman said: "A scan this morning has shown a tear to a different adductor muscle to his original injury and we expect Fernando to be out for about three weeks.
"As for Xabi Alonso, an x-ray showed a fracture to the fourth metatarsal in his left foot. Xabi will be seen by a consultant tomorrow after which we will have a much better idea of the timescales involved.
"With regards to Javier Mascherano, he had an x-ray which has showed no bone injury, but he will receive intensive treatment on extensive bruising in his foot."
I never said owt like that
The Liverpool team in full for Cardiff City game is: Itandje, Aurelio, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hobbs, Leto, El Zhar, Gerrard, Lucas, Babel, Crouch. Subs: Martin, Riise, Kewell, Benayoun, Mascherano.
Nice strike from El Zhar.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on October 31, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
Havent seen either of tonights goals, are they on youtube yet?
http://www.101greatgoals.com/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/)
Well worth a look if you have a few minutes
"The soul of Liverpool in 50 moments"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2778185.ece
Quote from: Balboa on November 01, 2007, 04:56:53 PM
Well worth a look if you have a few minutes
"The soul of Liverpool in 50 moments"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2778185.ece
Very good
Massive match for us this evening.
Looks like Rafa will go for the 4-2-3-1 system he favoured at Valencia. Here's hoping....
Reina
Finnan Cags Hyypia Riise
Sissoko The Monster
Gerrard Babel
Flossy
Diggler
Brutal so far...Im watching the game with my 7 year old cousin..Im trying to convince him to start supporting Liverpool..
He turned to me a few minutes ago and asked me "Why aren't Liverpool trying to score,They keep passing it backwards"....Says it all really :(
Babel should be up front - yossi on the left and gerrard on the right
Jury is still out on Kuyt for me, can be so sloppy with his 1st touch at times at finishing is still not that of a 20 goal a season striker. Crouch has caused some problems since he has come on but Liverpool are just playing completely shite at the moment in time. In saying that though, Mark Hughes has made a fine side of Blackburn over recent years, expect him to manage United after Fergie quits. Drawing far to many games in the premiership & we dont seen to be able to open defences up to create clear cut scoring opportunities.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 03, 2007, 06:19:33 PM
Babel should be up front - yossi on the left and gerrard on the right
I wouldn't even put Babel in the f**king reserves,he is nothing only a overrated expensive lazy f**k..
As for the game..Frustrating again,We only came to life in the last ten minutes Kewell and Crouch made a great difference and it makes you wonder why Crouch didn't start or come on a lot earlier...
3 points would have been great especially as Arsenal only drew today
Glad to see Kewell back today, i rate him highly. Good ball player,strong and he will give us much needed width. Granted he was a little bit rusty at times today which can only be expected considering his long lay off but he showed glimpses of his quality & creativity which Liverpool desperately need at the minute.
Once again frustrating. Kuyt was terrible again and I am beginning to think hard work is not enough to get him by. Regarding Crouch, Benitez sees him five times a week and maybe is wise in his judgement that he is a better impact player. Hyypia is too slow, can not blame him but Riise is getting worse with every game, Aurelio will soon take his place.
Only real positive was Kewells excellent cameo.
If we want to get to the level of Chelsea, United and the way they are progressing, Arsenal players such as Riise and Kuyt should be jettisoned. Riise can touch the ball further than i can kick it,Kuyt is a tireless worker, excellent attribute in a defensive midfielder but you need a bit more to be a striker in a top team. We are playing for 3rd/4th place again this season. I hope to f**k Torres is back sooner than expected
Are you serious?..... liverpool are miles behind united,arsenal and chelsea....by the way which cup will be your priority this year ;D ;D
Liverpool for all their spending are still not much more than a team thats good at grinding out a 0-0.
I predict Liverpool will not finish in top four and thus fail to make CL qualification. Going on this years performance in it maybe all the better!!! :D Rafa will get P45 this year.. They are miles off Utd Arsenal and Chelski. Man City for CL next year ???
Liverpool will finish fourth probably, nobody else is good enough to finish above them.
As has been said, they are light years away from Arsenal & Man Ure. I think Benitez should be sacked personally, they are no better off than what they were a couple of years ago. He has brought in players like Voronin who had scored something like 6 goals in 20 Bundesliga games when he was signed last January, a distinctly average premiership player never mind him being at Liverpool.
Crouch should be in the team regularly, he looks much more dangerous than Kuyt or Voronin do.
I dont think Crouch could play with Torres, Torres thrives on balls in behind the defence.
While I'm not too enthuasiastic about the form of the team right now it should be said that they are still unbeaten in the league and still in touch with the leaders despite Liverpool having by far and away the worst injury troubles of the top sides. Losing players like Agger, Alonso and Torres (and even Pennant to a lesser extent) right up the spine of the team has been a huge disruption. Torres is our best striker, Alonso is the playmaker and Agger is our only central defender who will bring the ball out of defence and pass it rather than lump it forward. I agree though that Crouch should really be getting more of a chance. After Torres he's the best striker we have but he seems to have been blacklisted by Benitez. He came on against Arsenal and Blackburn and done very well IMO. He should get a chance.
Our next few fixtures in the league are
Fulham (H)
Newcastle (A)
Bolton (H)
Reading (A)
We should be looking to win all those games and the injured players should be back for the last three of them as there is an international break after the Fulham game. If we're not taking 10 to 12 points from those games then we really will be struggling.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 05, 2007, 12:45:23 PM
While I'm not too enthuasiastic about the form of the team right now it should be said that they are still unbeaten in the league and still in touch with the leaders despite Liverpool having by far and away the worst injury troubles of the top sides. Losing players like Agger, Alonso and Torres (and even Pennant to a lesser extent) right up the spine of the team has been a huge disruption. Torres is our best striker, Alonso is the playmaker and Agger is our only central defender who will bring the ball out of defence and pass it rather than lump it forward. I agree though that Crouch should really be getting more of a chance. After Torres he's the best striker we have but he seems to have been blacklisted by Benitez. He came on against Arsenal and Blackburn and done very well IMO. He should get a chance.
Our next few fixtures in the league are
Fulham (H)
Newcastle (A)
Bolton (H)
Reading (A)
We should be looking to win all those games and the injured players should be back for the last three of them as there is an international break after the Fulham game. If we're not taking 10 to 12 points from those games then we really will be struggling.
12 points.
Quote12 points.
Probably should take 12 points given the poor quality of the opposition but it's unlikely given liverpool's form.
Team for Tonight:
Reina
Finnan, Carra, Hyppia, Aurelio
Benayoun, Masch, Gerrard, Kewell
Crouch, Kuyt
Aurelio and Kewell to fire in crosses all night for crouchy knock downs and let stevie do the rest
Quote from: gawa316 on November 06, 2007, 03:16:17 PM
Team for Tonight:
Reina
Finnan, Carra, Hyppia, Aurelio
Benayoun, Masch, Gerrard, Kewell
Crouch, Kuyt
I like the look of the side tonight, especially midfield, it is a lot more balanced than our previous games. Benayoun & Kewell should give us much needed width and big crouchy definately deserves his start. Pressure is on Kuyt to perform also as he has been poor in the last few games.
Is Riise injured or just dropped gawa?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 06, 2007, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 06, 2007, 03:16:17 PM
Team for Tonight:
Reina
Finnan, Carra, Hyppia, Aurelio
Benayoun, Masch, Gerrard, Kewell
Crouch, Kuyt
I like the look of the side tonight, especially midfield, it is a lot more balanced than our previous games. Benayoun & Kewell should give us much needed width and big crouchy definately deserves his start. Pressure is on Kuyt to perform also as he has been poor in the last few games.
Is Riise injured or just dropped gawa?
Going by some of his recent performances i would say he got the hook......
Quote from: Balboa on November 06, 2007, 03:24:40 PM
Going by some of his recent performances i would say he got the hook......
Would think so myself, he hasnt been playing well at all. Maybe the fact that the world has seen his payslip has altered his performances :D
I dont think thats the team, i think its just gawa's guess.
not 100% sure but i think voronin and crouch will start tonight.
Yeah sorry just my guess at what it might be. Rafa probably has other ideas ???
I really hope that there is some fluidity to the attacking tonight. I think that we can be good going forward, esp in must win European games such as tonight, when the tempo is much higher. In the EPL we seem to get it up quick to a front man, who holds it up, then knocks it back, allowing the opposition to filter behind the ball. Riiise used to be such an attacking outlet, what the hell has happened him? Remember the derby goal he scored a few seasons back, I want to see that Riise back!
Aurelio is in, Crouch and Voronin up front from the start
Arbeloa for Finnan too. Kewell still on bench, Flossy starts again
2 nil win - Crouch to get the 1st
Yossi with a second
Quite impressive.
Masch, Arbeloa, Crouch and Flossy playing particularly well
Yossi with a 3rd
and a 4th
Hat-trick for Yossi, woeful keeping, 4-0
Gerrard with #5
Babel with #6 and a 7th
How the hell did these cutouts beat the 'pool 2-1 at home !
Good win but i wouldn't get carried away..I'd have fancied my chances of scoring tonight
My father-in-law doesn't get to the ground much since his stroke. He was there tonight though. He should go more often.
Could be too little too late though.
Both Marseillles and Porto would be expected to beat Besiktas, which would put them on 11 and 10 points respectively. I presume its head-to-head match-up tie breakers, so even if Liverpool beat both, they'll probably have to win by 2 in Marseilles, which is far from a certainty.
Quote from: J70 on November 06, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
Could be too little too late though.
Both Marseillles and Porto would be expected to beat Besiktas, which would put them on 11 and 10 points respectively. I presume its head-to-head match-up tie breakers, so even if Liverpool beat both, they'll probably have to win by 2 in Marseilles, which is far from a certainty.
Is it not goal difference that would decide it if Liverpool and Marseilles both finish on 10points
Quote from: J70 on November 06, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
Could be too little too late though.
Both Marseillles and Porto would be expected to beat Besiktas, which would put them on 11 and 10 points respectively. I presume its head-to-head match-up tie breakers, so even if Liverpool beat both, they'll probably have to win by 2 in Marseilles, which is far from a certainty.
Well Marseille still have to go to Besiktas and the Turks are a different proposition on their own turf.
But surely even a 1-0 win would do Liverpool in Marseille as then the head to head would be 1-1 so it would go down to goal difference and Liverpool's is now way better.
Have to beat Porto first of course.
I was flicking over every now and then too see how Celtic were doing and everytime i went back to Liverpool match i had missed a goal
Good to see a more rounded performance for a change. Better Tempo in midfield and full backs who pushed on and got goos early ball in from the right type of positions. An early goal makes such a difference. Hopefully we can push on now and put a good run of wins together.
Dunphy was his usual negative self, reckons that there was nothing that Liverpool could take from the game!! I know the turks was bad but a 8-0 rarely happens at any level. His funniest comment (cause thats what he is, a clown) was something along the lines that Liverpool done to the turks what Arsenal did to Liverpool a few weeks back!!! 8-0 = 1-1 :o They may have played the better football but we weren't embaressed and could have easily won it.
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 04, 2007, 06:47:17 PM
Liverpool for all their spending are still not much more than a team thats good at grinding out a 0-0.
Grinded out a 8-0 tonight... ;)
we could gather up 11 from the gaaboard tonight that would probably have put 5 past that besiktas side ...never seen worse!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 06, 2007, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 06, 2007, 10:02:39 PM
Could be too little too late though.
Both Marseillles and Porto would be expected to beat Besiktas, which would put them on 11 and 10 points respectively. I presume its head-to-head match-up tie breakers, so even if Liverpool beat both, they'll probably have to win by 2 in Marseilles, which is far from a certainty.
Well Marseille still have to go to Besiktas and the Turks are a different proposition on their own turf.
But surely even a 1-0 win would do Liverpool in Marseille as then the head to head would be 1-1 so it would go down to goal difference and Liverpool's is now way better.
Have to beat Porto first of course.
I thought that through well, didn't I! :-[
In all seriousness what does it say about a team when it takes all sorts of threats by the manager thru the media to get a performance out of them? Teams need to be self-motivated to mount a sustained title challenge and that Liverpool team ain't got it.
Good result but there has to be an asterix beside that result. It also begs the question, how the fcuk did they beat us in Turkey? I actually was expecting to see Stephen "Talking through my nose" Watson there because they were like an Irish League team. Hopefully the goals will instill a bit more belief in Babel, i wouldnt be as quick to put the boot into him as some on here, he is young, coming from a different country and will need a while to settle. As for Riise.......did anyone see him doing the old Siisoko trick from last year, nobody near him and hoofing the ball straight up into the air. Need to transfer some of that goalscoring to the League now starting with the Northern Ireland Select XI on Saturday.
No doubt he will change team again tomorrow..
Any news on Torres?
Played well. Torres was just that bit of class we needed up front. In 20 ish minutes showed exactly why we payed so much money for him. Thought that Hyppia played well tonight along with Babbel when he came on. Feel that he is beginning to get used to the physicality of the premiership and he can hopefully begin to push on from here. Again bringing Lucas on was also another good move. Looks like he could be a player.
We need to use this as a springboard for the rest of the season and need to get another 9 points out of our next 3 games before we meet the Scum
Definitely an improvement on recent form, although it looked like they wouldn't get the first goal for a while. Excellent goal out of nothing from Torres. Hopefully he'll stay fit. Voronin was impressive again today. He's definitely more creative than Kuyt, even if he gives the odd ball away.
Agree with you about Vorinin. Think that he and Torres could make a really good combination with Torres as an out and out striker and Vorinin playing off him. See as well that Liverpool and Villa seemed to have agreed a 8m+ deal for Scott Carson. Pity because i think he is a good keeper who never really did anything wrong and has never got a chance.
At the start of the season, Torres and Voronin appeared quite dangerous together and it could be the future. Crouch is a great option to have imho as an impact sub but could also work with Torres.
Torres is pure quality and we need him fit. Could have had 2 in his 20 min spell.
Fermgael, Carson prob unlucky to have Reina in front of him. Can have his moments but I think he is the best keeper we've had since Ray Clemence. His poistioing and quickness of the line is so important when you consider the lack of pace at the back without Agger.
Lucky enough with the penalty today, as the contact was definitely just outside the box. Looked a certain penalty in real time though, so I suppose you can't condemn the ref too much (if you were so inclined! :P). I hope those who made arses out of themselves after the Chelsea game remember it the next time one goes against Liverpool.
Bingobus agree about Reina. I think he has been our most consistent keeper in decades but would be worried about him deciding to head back to Spain and play for Athletico. He has always said he wants to finish his career there and it would cost big money to replace him if Carson has gone
He's just gone 25. He could be at Liverpool for another five or six years and still have time for a long spell at Atletico. There's no way a good keeper like Carson can sit as second choice at Liverpool for a few years. I've never understood that about Cudicini, who was arguably one of the top keepers in the league before Cech joined Chelsea. Or the Polish lad at United either, who seemed too good to me to join a team as a back-up.
Lads i must have been watching a different match re Voronin, did nobody see the two miskicks when he had excellent chances? He gets so many chances and finishes very few of them. As for Torres if he wasnt 100% fit there was no point in risking him, if the squad we have are not capable of beating Fulham without Torres they should pack up and go home. Torres is pure gold and seems to be head and shoulders above any other striker in the Premiership.
Voronin is not really in there as a finisher, though, is he? He plays as the striker who drops off. He did a lot of good stuff today, and was very unlucky with the shot just before he was subbed. I thought he had a very good game, miskicks or not.
Quote from: J70 on November 10, 2007, 09:00:00 PM
Voronin is not really in there as a finisher, though, is he? He plays as the striker who drops off. He did a lot of good stuff today, and was very unlucky with the shot just before he was subbed. I thought he had a very good game, miskicks or not.
He may not be there as a finisher but when someone plays as advanced as that you want him to be able to put the ball in the net,if Carragher misses a few i wouldnt be worried as that isnt his primary job but when one of the strikers misses as many as Voronin you will have problems. What happens when we play United, Chelsea, Arsenal etc when you wont get 5/6 clear cut chances and a gilt edged one falls to Voronin instead of Torres.......
Quote from: Balboa on November 10, 2007, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 10, 2007, 09:00:00 PM
Voronin is not really in there as a finisher, though, is he? He plays as the striker who drops off. He did a lot of good stuff today, and was very unlucky with the shot just before he was subbed. I thought he had a very good game, miskicks or not.
He may not be there as a finisher but when someone plays as advanced as that you want him to be able to put the ball in the net,if Carragher misses a few i wouldnt be worried as that isnt his primary job but when one of the strikers misses as many as Voronin you will have problems. What happens when we play United, Chelsea, Arsenal etc when you wont get 5/6 clear cut chances and a gilt edged one falls to Voronin instead of Torres.......
Does he miss more than Kuyt or Crouch? I think I've even seen Torres miss a couple this season. Yes, Voronin mistimed two shots from crosses flying in perpendicular to him (for which timing has to be spot on), but given his overall performance and several other decent attempts, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If you think he was/is shite, fine. It's football, not science.
Who said it was science J70? I dont think he is anything other than a squad player, and hopefully Benitez will get someone in during the transfer window, and since you ask i dont rate Crouch or Kuyt either.
I meant that this is a subjective argument that can't be won. If you want to insist that Voronin was shit because you think that two mistimed attempts at shots negate everything else he did, there's not much I can do except disagree.
You really think they're going to fork out for another top-class striker in January? I doubt it. Maybe if Crouch leaves or Torres gets a long-term injury, but otherwise I can't see it. Benitez likes to play with a withdrawn striker to link up the play (as do most clubs these days). Voronin and Kuyt (when on form), do that job pretty well and I cannot see another 20 million being forked out so soon, especially if they're still in the Champions League and all the best players are cup-tied.
There has been talk for ages that Crouch will go in the transfer window, if they get decent money they should let him go. I dont think they will be paying £20 million for anyone in January, deals of that magnitude are almost always done in the summer. As for players being cup tied for Champions league, well it may not matter by then !
If they're not willing to fork out the money, they're probably not going to get anyone who is much of an improvement on what they already have. If you want a top-class finisher, you're going to have to pay.
Torres is, as i said a while ago, an Henry for Liverpool. He'll score you 25+ from next season on.
Quote from: ONeill on November 10, 2007, 11:28:22 PM
Torres is, as i said a while ago, an Henry for Liverpool. He'll score you 25+ from next season on.
You are a bit like me O'Neill, always right. Aye he seems to be a cut above most players in the premiership, he always seems a couple of steps ahead of the defenders.
The fact that he's the only Liverpool striker worth tuppence certainly makes him look good. Kuyt and Voronin are akin to Championship standard versions of Mark Hughes, leaving you with no effective back up for Torres. Don't expect him to dig you out of a hole at every time of asking.
QuoteKuyt and Voronin are akin to Championship standard versions of Mark Hughes
Kuyt and Hughes' scoring ratios are actually pretty similiar. Both average roughly 1 goal in every 3 games. Hughes around a lot longer though obviously.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 12, 2007, 12:58:17 PM
QuoteKuyt and Voronin are akin to Championship standard versions of Mark Hughes
Kuyt and Hughes' scoring ratios are actually pretty similiar. Both average roughly 1 goal in every 3 games. Hughes around a lot longer though obviously.
Don't cloud the "argument" with statistics! :P
Daniel Agger nears Liverpool return
Nov 10 2007 by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo
DANIEL AGGER is back in training with Liverpool and could make his long awaited return to the first team squad for the trip to Newcastle United in a fortnight's time.
The Danish international has been out of action for seven weeks since suffering a broken metatarsal but the injury has now healed and he is now building up his fitness at Melwood.
Agger's return to training is a huge boost for Rafa Benitez who has had only two centre backs with Premiership experience to call on since mid-September in the form of Jamie Carragher and Sami Hyypia.
Rookie defender Jack Hobbs has made one appearance in the Carling Cup clash with Cardiff City during this period but at just 19 is still to make his Premiership debut.
So Agger's comeback has been given a cautious welcome by the Reds boss, who hopes he will shortly have three senior central defenders to pick from.
He said: "We don't have a definite date in mind for Daniel just yet but it is looking very positive for him at the moment.
"If he continues to progress the way he has been then maybe he will be back in one or two weeks.
"The thing we have to keep an eye on is that the player can be fit, but that is not necessarily the same thing as being ready for a match.
"If he can run this week without any problems then maybe he can be involved in games soon."
Meanwhile, the Liverpool manager has welcomed Harry Kewell's return to form of fitness, describing his comeback as "like having a very good new player".
But Benitez reacted to Kewell's selection for the Australian national squad after just three substitute appearances with caution and is calling on the Aussie football federation to take no risks with hisplayer.
He said: "Harry is a player who can score goals, beat players and is good in the air, as we saw against Blackburn when he set up that late chance for Dirk Kuyt.
"It is always good to see players coming back and in the last week we have seen Alvaro Arbeloa, Fabio Aurelio and Kewell all do that.
"Harry being back is like having a very good new player.
"Maybe it is good that he will go with the national team but I would like to see the player training with a proper programme so we need to talk to the Australian federation to see if we can maintain the progression of the player."
Steven Gerrard has received another accolade after he was named in the FIFpro World XI.
The Reds skipper was named as one of the top 11 players in the world over the past 12 months, following a vote by more than 57,000 professionals around the world.
Team in full: Buffon, Nesta, Cannavaro, Terry, Puyol, Christiano Ronaldo, Gerrard, Kaka, Messi, Drogba, Ronaldinho.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 12, 2007, 06:24:43 PM
Daniel Agger nears Liverpool return
Great news, badly missed while out. Talk of spending 20 million on another striker during January maybe be wishful thinking, but another experienced centre half is a must, can't believe Rafa left his squad so exposed in that position after letting Paletta go back home.
QuoteKuyt and Hughes' scoring ratios are actually pretty similiar.
By that reckoning 3 goals in 3 games would be akin to 300 goals in 300 games.
Maybe it's old news but i read today that Riise plus cash for Defoe in the January transfer window
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 12, 2007, 07:28:45 PM
QuoteKuyt and Hughes' scoring ratios are actually pretty similiar.
By that reckoning 3 goals in 3 games would be akin to 300 goals in 300 games.
I'm just stating that both their scoring ratios are roughly 1 goal in every 3 games. That's just counting their respective careers with Man U and Liverpool. I'm leaving out Kuyt's record in Holland (as it's far better than that) and I'm leaving out Hughes' record with other clubs (which makes his average worse). Can't get fairer than that.
Obviously Hughes was over 12 years at Man U and Kuyt's only been at Liverpool a season and a half but you were the one who initially brought up the comparison.
QuoteMaybe it's old news but i read today that Riise plus cash for Defoe in the January transfer window
That would be a prudent move although Defoe might just choose to stay and try to impress under Ramoz. No point swapping one bench for another!
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 12, 2007, 11:09:32 AM
The fact that he's the only Liverpool striker worth tuppence certainly makes him look good. Kuyt and Voronin are akin to Championship standard versions of Mark Hughes, leaving you with no effective back up for Torres. Don't expect him to dig you out of a hole at every time of asking.
Do you think Torres would get a game for Salford Reds?
With Rooney injured he probably would.
£10 milllion (if we get it) is great business, especially as we only paid £1 mil or so. I reckon we need to use this money to go and buy a player like Queresma (Sp?). Yes he can be a huffy get, but he can turn it on and make goals out of nothing. Something which could have came in handy so far this season
Big game v Newcastle at week end especially with United and Arsenal likely to get 3 points each against Bolton and Wigan a win is a must for us but Newcastle are no easy side especially in St James's
Dont think you will be getting £10 million for Carson now :D
Quote from: full back on November 22, 2007, 05:38:53 PM
Dont think you will be getting £10 million for Carson now :D
To be fair he's done very well for Villa.
Nowhere near as good as Reina though.
Quote from: full back on November 22, 2007, 05:38:53 PM
Dont think you will be getting £10 million for Carson now :D
Whether he is, on the whole, worth 10 million has little to do with his mistake last night. There isn't a keeper around that hasn't done what he did at some point.
Quote from: full back on November 22, 2007, 05:38:53 PM
Dont think you will be getting £10 million for Carson now :D
He's English - English clubs always pay over the odds for English players - well get 15 mill for him
mmmm
From Liverpools website:
Liverpool co-Chairmen Tom Hicks and George Gillett have today released the following statement.
"We made a significant investment in the playing squad during the summer and desperately want this team to succeed.
"There are some very important games coming up in the next couple of weeks and all of us need to focus on winning those games and getting the best out of the players we already have at the club.
"We will leave any talk of buying or selling players until we come across to Liverpool in December and sit down with the Manager then."
and at the same time from Sky Sports interview with Benitez:
And having been quizzed on any interest in replacing McClaren, the Spaniard admits he is keen to become an international coach in the future.
Benitez continued: "In the future, you never know what can happen. If I improve my English, maybe!"
or maybe learning German....
probably nothing
Quote from: An Fear Rua on November 22, 2007, 06:46:17 PM
mmmm
From Liverpools website:
Liverpool co-Chairmen Tom Hicks and George Gillett have today released the following statement.
"We made a significant investment in the playing squad during the summer and desperately want this team to succeed.
"There are some very important games coming up in the next couple of weeks and all of us need to focus on winning those games and getting the best out of the players we already have at the club.
"We will leave any talk of buying or selling players until we come across to Liverpool in December and sit down with the Manager then."
and at the same time from Sky Sports interview with Benitez:
And having been quizzed on any interest in replacing McClaren, the Spaniard admits he is keen to become an international coach in the future.
Benitez continued: "In the future, you never know what can happen. If I improve my English, maybe!"
or maybe learning German....
probably nothing
Unusual timing, definitely threatening to apply the Chinese burns I reckon...I wonder is that the way owners behave in American sport though? Do they see giving the manager a "gee-up" as fair game?
Taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7108721.stm
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7108721.stm)
QuoteLiverpool boss Rafael Benitez has said he may be interested in the England job after an apparent disagreement with the club's owners over transfer targets.
Benitez described his week as "not the best" after arriving late for a news conference following a conversation with George Gillett and Tom Hicks.
"Maybe I could be Steve McClaren's replacement if I improve my English," said the 47-year-old Spaniard.
"I was being serious. You never know what can happen in the future."
During his news conference, Benitez used the answer "I am focused on training and coaching my team" a number of times in response to a series of questions on various issues.
Despite a huge transfer outlay in the summer on players like Fernando Torres and Ryan Babel, Liverpool are fifth in the Premier League and in danger of failing to get beyond the group stage of the Champions League.
Benitez is thought to have already started making plans for the January transfer window, but the club's American owners have issued a statement suggesting that they are not thinking that far ahead at the moment.
"There are some very important games coming up in the next couple of weeks and all of us need to focus on winning those games and getting the best out of the players we already had at the club," said the statement.
"We will leave any talk of buying or selling players until we come across to Liverpool in December and sit down with the manager then."
How didTorres miss :o Good half but :)
2 - 0 kuyt
How poor are Newcastle? Awful performance
all to easy at the toon! 3 - 0 babbel
Torres should have 5!! :( Whats happening with Newcastle but!! :-\
The coaching and training of the team has certainly paid off this week.
Traffic cones would be more effective than Newcastles defence.
Big Sam for England!!
Newcastle getting a bit of a chasing here. Could easily have been 7 or 8.
Good win but Newcastle were terrible. Hope Torres isnt as wasteful during the week. What did you all think of Lucas? seemed to play ok Sissoko played well.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-8pELTkiQ (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-8pELTkiQ)
;D
I thought Sissoko was rubbish today, although Harry Kewell impressed me!!
Quote from: stiffler on November 24, 2007, 06:51:34 PM
I thought Sissoko was rubbish today, although Harry Kewell impressed me!!
Yeah Momo is a bombscare when he has the ball. He's great when he has to chase possession and is brilliant in winning the ball back but once he has it he's a liability.
Kewell had a decent game. He had a shot blocked at one point that I think was going in. Torres missed a fair few chances today but we are a completely different team when he's in the side. He scares the shite out of defenders and is capable of making chances for himself out of nothing. Lucas was quite tidy in midfield as well I thought. Very efficient in possession.
looks like this row is getting serious
taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7108721.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7108721.stm)
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Benitez renews attack on owners
Benitez has refused to back down in his dispute with the owners
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has again risked the wrath of the club's American owners by openly questioning their transfer policy.
The Spaniard was told by club co-owner Tom Hicks to "quit talking about new players" after suggesting they were holding up his transfer plans.
But Benitez ignored that plea, saying: "They don't understand what the transfer window means in Europe.
"They need to understand how difficult it is to sign players."
The rift between Benitez and Liverpool's American owners is now considered to be so deep that a report in Sunday's News of the World suggests the Spaniard will be sacked imminently, with Jose Mourinho in line to replace him.
We need to talk to the agents now, if not we will lose targets
Benitez himself admitted that the relationship had soured since a meeting after the draw with Arsenal on 28 October.
"We had a meeting which was really positive. After this something changed," he said.
"They told me to be focused on coaching and training because Rick Parry will be looking after signing players."
In a bizarre press conference ahead of Saturday's win over Newcastle, Benitez answered a series of questions with the words: "I am focused on training and coaching my team."
He even went as far as suggesting he could be a candidate for the England post.
That led Hicks to tell the Liverpool Echo: "We told him to concentrate on the games coming up. I guess he didn't like it.
"We will come over in December. That is the time to talk about other issues."
But Benitez insists December will be too late to discuss plans for the January transfer window.
"It's clear Mr Hicks wants the best for the club. So do I," he said.
"It's not a draft system. We have free players available now. I'm not talking about players that cost money.
"We need to talk to the agents now, if not we will lose targets.
"In the summer, the players will be more expensive. I have not been talking about spending but doing the opposite.
"We have brought money back. We brought in £26m this year and you can see the value of the squad."
Benitez made a similar plea to the owners after the Champions League final in May.
The owners responded by spending close to £45m on the likes of Fernando Torres, Ryan Babel and Yossi Benayoun.
Benitez is now keen to tie up a £17m permanent deal for Javier Mascherano.
But his position could be further weakened if Liverpool fail to beat Porto on Wednesday - a result which would see them almost certainly eliminated from the Champions League.
Looks like Rafa is going to have to swallow his pride or walk the plank
Has Benitez walked? Unofficial reports say he has!
Lucas gave a great performance yesterday. Liverpool are unbelievably hard to break down, on yesterday's performance Lucas on a par with the Monster when it comes to breaking up play. I really hope theres no future for Momo as he is a poor man's version of them both, touch of a rapist.
Uns missed it yesterday, 2nd half. Stevie G trotting back out to the middle after we get a goal kick, quiet enough. Some fat no neck Geordie leaps from his seat and shouts some witticism about him being shite for Engerlund. Stevie shouts back 'shutup you geordie twat' and puffs out his cheeks to call him a fat ****. Priceless!
Quote from: mrroscommonman on November 25, 2007, 05:33:21 PM
Has Benitez walked? Unofficial reports say he has!
you wouldnt by any chance have started a very similar thread on f365 by any chance :-\
nope, not me anyway. Just saw it on another football discussion board today... 606.
must be another 'rosco' :-\
the story comes from lfconline, and it even says it comes from 'dubious sources'
http://www.lfconline.com/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=3 64504
That story is doing the rounds, I believe the NOTW started it so dubious is an understatement. If Benitez had to go it would be one of the worst decisions in Liverpool history.
From the official website:
Liverpool co-Chairmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks have today released the following statement.
"Despite speculation in today's newspapers, there is nothing new to say.
"We had a good win yesterday and have got some very important games coming up starting with Porto on Wednesday, followed by Bolton and Reading, before Marseille and Manchester United in a few weeks.
"Both of us, together with Chief Executive Rick Parry, plan to meet with Rafa when we come over mid December to make decisions on the team's requirements at that time."
So he's safe... for now!
Will he stay though? Is the long-term signing of Mascherano really in jeopardy if they wait? Or if Liverpool don't make the next stage of the Champions League?
Rafa has left the club!
from a very good source!
Any annoucements yet?
none. :-\
Very good source, it is the News of the World you tit. Club released a statement saying nothing has changed.
Rafa will be Liverpool manager in 2012.
Hopefully!! :D :D
Quote from: new devil on November 25, 2007, 10:17:31 PM
Hopefully!! :D :D
That greedy oul f**ker Fergie will probably still be at United in 2012, going by Benitez's first 3 years we should have another couple of Champions League trophies by 2012
Greedy as in winning trophies...then he is indeed one of the greediest managers of all time ;)
Quote from: new devil on November 25, 2007, 10:23:57 PM
Greedy as in winning trophies...then he is indeed one of the greediest managers of all time ;)
No greedy as in money, the way he tried to screw Magnier and Mac Manus out of the Rock Of Gibraltar money, in fairness he was out of his depth with those boys. I would have been interested to hear his interview on Match Of The Day last night, thats right the oul w**ker doesent speak to them.
benitez is just a fat Spanish Waiter hope he stays for years
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on November 25, 2007, 10:46:20 PM
benitez is just a fat Spanish Waiter hope he stays for years
Excellent post, what does that make Fergie? An alcoholic jock
Thanks for that daddy.
Well if you paid attention here you would realise that children come on and make shameful claims against United and Pool fans. This board has a reputation for good debate without going too far so like 5Times says, lets keep it that way.
NewDevil can I ask why you hope Benitez does stay, surely even the most die hard United fans realise how good he is doing?
Quote from: corn02 on November 25, 2007, 10:59:54 PM
Well if you paid attention here you would realise that children come on and make shameful claims against United and Pool fans. This board has a reputation for good debate without going too far so like 5Times says, lets keep it that way.
NewDevil can I ask why you hope Benitez does stay, surely even the most die hard United fans realise how good he is doing?
You expect a serious, considered answer form NewDevil? :D
Because hes a great manager... which is good for the premiership!! Thats why
Stalin, I deleted your personal abuse post there. Cut it out.
Thanks for posting that 5iveTimes. I was going to do the same thing myself. Let's make sure this thread doesn't descend into rubbish again. The soccer threads are very popular, especially the Man U and Liverpool ones. However, they do seem to be a hair trigger away from ridiculous insults and abuse all the time. Make sure we don't get bans or threads locked on account of silliness lads.
Cheers
Quote from: Gaaboardmod3 on November 26, 2007, 10:57:15 AM
Stalin, I deleted your personal abuse post there. Cut it out.
Whatever, Trevor
The rumours were rife in the media last night the Rafa had handed in his resignation. It appears that doesn't seem to be the case. It's only a matter of time though. It is the Chelsea situation all over again and something will give.
I heard an interesting interview with spanish football journalist Graham Hunter over the weekend. He has sources close to Beinitez who say that his ego has got out of control in recent times and that he has moved away from the traits that made him successful in Spain.
Perhaps this might explain his treatment of certain players in the rotation system. He seems to want to teach some players a lesson and Gerrard, Torres and Crouch have all been on the receiving end this year.
QuoteHe has sources close to Beinitez who say that his ego has got out of control in recent times and that he has moved away from the traits that made him successful in Spain.
yeah, unbeaten in the premier league after about a third of the season is the definition of being unsuccessful. Who is this 'Beinitez' chap anyway?
As for teaching players a lesson, Gerrard has been almost an ever-present. The one (media-enforced) 'controversial' decison was taking him off in the merseyside derby, a decision thoroughly vindicated by Lucas winning the match for Liverpool.
Torres has played a role in every match he has been fit for, dropped for one match, big deal.
Crouch was out of favour for a long time, happens under every manager at every club.
This constant media speculation/drumming up adverse publicity against 'rotation' is such a load of shite. All that shite in that rag yesterday was a joke as well, Bascombe shoudl be ashamed of himself. If he was a true liverpool fan he wouldnt be involved with NOTW anyway
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 26, 2007, 11:37:14 AM
if we win our game at hand we are back up to third place, three points behind Man Ure and six behind Arsenal.
If we win our game in hand we will be level with salford fc
What I found gas was even though LFC have had seriously dodgy performances, the goal difference is the same as Uniteds. + 16. LFC have only scored one less than United all season, which must be unusual at this time of the season, 1/3 through. I know the Derby game had a lot to do with that, but even so it's encouraging.
Actually if Liverpool win their game they will go above Man Utd on goal difference.
I was very impressed with the performance on saturday and was delighted that Kuyt scored. If Torres had have had his scoring boots on he would have had a hat-trick and he is easily the most dynamic striker playing in The Premiership. It bodes well and hopefully will transfer itself to the CL.
On the whole Rafa row, I am disappointed in rafa that he feels the need to play this game in the media. This has become a trait of his that I do not like as it is best to keep things in house. I can however see his point as he needs a top class centre half and a striker in the new year, and also needs to finalise getting Mascherano signed permanently. If you look at it from his viewpoint it is completely understandable.
Anyway, the game on Wednesday is crucial as it can make or break the season in some respect. If CL qualidfication is secured then it will guarantee at least £10m. The sale of Carson will bring in approximately £8m. I think that Crouch will go for £10m, so that leaves him with a minimum kitty of £28m. He would do a good bit of damage with that kind of money.
In the last few games theyve started looking much more threatening when attacking. When teams come out and attack us we look as dangerous as anyone on the counter. Saying that, we still struggle against teams who refuse to come out and attack. Benny Noon has looked a great addition so far and will be keys in games liek the oens i mentioned where we need that bit of guile to create a chance. Xabi returning will also be a great help. Babel was absolutely wanktastic when he came on on Saturday too, easily his best performance so far. Looks much more comfortable on the right than on the left.
The CL game will probably decide Rafa's season. Fail to qualify & he will be out the door by January.
I hear Jose's name being mentioned as a replacement, if someone of his calibre got the job I would be suprised to see any more than 5/6 players of the 1st 11 keeping their places
Quote from: Stalin on November 26, 2007, 11:38:05 AM
QuoteHe has sources close to Beinitez who say that his ego has got out of control in recent times and that he has moved away from the traits that made him successful in Spain.
yeah, unbeaten in the premier league after about a third of the season is the definition of being unsuccessful. Who is this 'Beinitez' chap anyway?
As for teaching players a lesson, Gerrard has been almost an ever-present. The one (media-enforced) 'controversial' decison was taking him off in the merseyside derby, a decision thoroughly vindicated by Lucas winning the match for Liverpool.
Torres has played a role in every match he has been fit for, dropped for one match, big deal.
Crouch was out of favour for a long time, happens under every manager at every club.
This constant media speculation/drumming up adverse publicity against 'rotation' is such a load of shite. All that shite in that rag yesterday was a joke as well, Bascombe shoudl be ashamed of himself. If he was a true liverpool fan he wouldnt be involved with NOTW anyway
I wasn't quoting from any rag. I was just commenting on what I heard from a respected journalist who I am sure knows more about Benitez's characteristics than most of us. I also never said he was unsuccessful either, I just said that his friends believe he has a larger ego than when he was in Spain.
There is definitely something up at Liverpool and Benitez is playing with fire by having digs at the owner.
Benitez has been described as "dead man walking", i cant imagine Gillette and Hicks taking any nonsense from Benitez. At the end of the day they didnt make their money without making hard decisions.
One thing that crossed my mind is that the two boys must find it very hard to see sense in this 'rotation' policy. Remember that both of them come from Ice Hockey backgrounds where players play 82 physical games a season, often 3 or 4 in 7 days, and there is no such thing as large scale rotation, apart from physically incapacitating injuries. They must find it very strange that you need to rest players, especially when the results go against you.
Quote from: SeanSouth on November 26, 2007, 12:06:44 PM
Benitez has been described as "dead man walking", i cant imagine Gillette and Hicks taking any nonsense from Benitez. At the end of the day they didnt make their money without making hard decisions.
Described by who seansouth? Mirror, Sun, NOTW, Mail, another forum? Its all pure speculation at this stage, commenting on it is pointless, why not wait until something definite comes out. At the end of the day, H and G have to realise they risk turnign the fans against them if they sack rafa. Rumours abound of a pro-rafa protest at wednesdays game
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 26, 2007, 11:37:14 AMbbut even after a bad run of draws we are still unbeaten and if we win our game at hand we are back up to third place, three points behind Man Ure and six behind Arsenal.
I think we actually go 2nd on goal difference if we win our game in hand.
Not sure what to make of all the unrest rumours but would hope they get it sorted out pronto. It can't be allowed to fester.
"Rafa end-game draws near" - Times Online
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article2943513.ece
Sounds ominous.
He won't be out of work for long. The Birmingham City job is there for the taking. Would he bring Gerrard with him tho? :-\
Quote from: under the bar on November 26, 2007, 01:51:04 PM
He won't be out of work for long. The Birmingham City job is there for the taking. Would he bring Gerrard with him tho? :-\
would you want Gerrard or have you bought into the Sky/Sun/Daily Mirror/Times myth that he is world class along Lamps.
Quote from: SeanSouth on November 26, 2007, 01:36:12 PM
"Rafa end-game draws near" - Times Online
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article2943513.ece
Sounds ominous.
Seriously seansouth give it a rest...how is that more ominous sounding than anything else has came out over the weekend, just another newspaper reporting the story.
Well Josef i think The Times report on stories a bit more responsibly than Sun/Mirror/NOTW etc but sure just bury your head in the sand and maybe this will all blow over. It is only ending one way, Benitez will not be the manager next season.
Aye but where do you think the Times is getting this story from? It all emanates from the story carried on lfconline that rafa had walked. Theres strong links between the Tims/NOTW/Sun as well.
Im not burying my head in the sand, im fully aware theres a good chance rafa wont be here next season. i just dont see the point in this scaremongering, regurgitating the same story over and over again from a different source.
Go and join the rest of the mongs on the Lfc eseason ticket forums, where theres a petition for Mourinho to be next manager, you'll fit in well there.
Preparations are in full swing for the protest on Wednesday night, happy days.
In Rafa we trust
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 26, 2007, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 26, 2007, 01:51:04 PM
He won't be out of work for long. The Birmingham City job is there for the taking. Would he bring Gerrard with him tho? :-\
would you want Gerrard or have you bought into the Sky/Sun/Daily Mirror/Times myth that he is world class along Lamps.
I'm pretty sure if Gerrard was put up for sale there would be no shortage of potential buyers.
Rafa will be manager next season, common sense will prevail. I wish they would keep this in house, all parties are looking stupid.
BC you say you were glad Kuyt scored, do you think he is Liverpool standard? I am having my doubts this season. That was his first league goal from play this year and he has had plenty of playing time. In January I would rather he went that Crouch.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 26, 2007, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 26, 2007, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 26, 2007, 01:51:04 PM
He won't be out of work for long. The Birmingham City job is there for the taking. Would he bring Gerrard with him tho? :-\
would you want Gerrard or have you bought into the Sky/Sun/Daily Mirror/Times myth that he is world class along Lamps.
I'm pretty sure if Gerrard was put up for sale there would be no shortage of potential buyers.
so that means they are world class, its means the men buying them don't know either. There performances of the world cup bcaks up all is needed to say. its one thing playing footy on the premiership, its another controlling a game in the summer world cup, when it comes down to real skill
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 26, 2007, 02:52:20 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 26, 2007, 02:47:16 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on November 26, 2007, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: under the bar on November 26, 2007, 01:51:04 PM
He won't be out of work for long. The Birmingham City job is there for the taking. Would he bring Gerrard with him tho? :-\
would you want Gerrard or have you bought into the Sky/Sun/Daily Mirror/Times myth that he is world class along Lamps.
I'm pretty sure if Gerrard was put up for sale there would be no shortage of potential buyers.
so that means they are world class, its means the men buying them don't know either. There performances of the world cup bcaks up all is needed to say. its one thing playing footy on the premiership, its another controlling a game in the summer world cup, when it comes down to real skill
I couldn't give a monkey's what he does or doesn't do for England. He does it for Liverpool which is all that I care about.
I don't know if I'd describe Gerrard as world class. It's a term bandied about too easily these days anyway but he's certainly capable of delivering world class performances on his day.
Gerrard has nothing to prove to anyone, cometh the hour cometh stevei g, as 2005 CL final showed and also the FA Cup 2006.
He could fetch a massive fee in the transfer market
QuoteThere performances of the world cup bcaks up
max you might find looking at the keyboard when ur typing helps...
I am reminded of Eamon Dunphy's (not that I agree with any of the shite he comes out with) description of Stevie G after Barca home leg last season:
"Steven Gerrard, found out tonight. A nothing player, Bill, a nothing player!"
Rav im failing to see the relevance? stick to the celtic thread :P
Dunphy also does not rate Ronaldo and who can deny he is World class.
Max Ronaldinhio has hardly shined at the World Cup either so is he not World Class. It is not the same anymore, Club comes before Country now.
Liverpool win 8-0 last time out and 4-1 tonight yet Dunphy and co still can't give them credit,if it was United Arsenal or Chelsea they would be creaming themselves
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 09:49:37 PM
Have to agree with you LaoisLad but I would agree with Dunphy to a certain extent about some of the Liverpool players not being good enough, Voronin in particular who you were very critical of pre-season.
Its in our own hands now though and a win in France sees us through to the next round, you wouldnt have bet on that after the loss in Istanbul.
Agree re Vorinon and yeah i did say it pre-season but i thought he had proved me wrong but it looks now like i was right,Dunphy also slating Benayoun but in fairness i think he is a great player
Good win but wasnt the best performance. Torres really starting to get going! Class above everyone else!
Lads we were brutal for large patches of the game, Babel - what the f**k was he doing on the whole game? Voronin - Laoislad you were correct with your analogy with the lump of shite earlier this year. On a more positive note, Torres - what a player, would not swap him for any striker in the world. Laoislad, Benayoun is a decent player, calling him "great" is pushing it a bit.
5Times Arbeloa are you serious? I had massive doubts about him but he has been consistently excellent this season, Kewell is also proving that he is a class act. You are correct about Riise though, not good enough - a squad player at best.
On tongiht a poor performance but a result is a result. Half time we were lucky to be at 1-1. Yossi and Torres were excellent in the first half. Second half Yossi was terrible as was Babel. Torres was quiet but how can he be questioned with finished like the second goal. Gerrard was terrible but he still got a goal.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
From tonights team, who should stay and who should get the road.
I would keep Reina, Carragher, Finnan, Stevie G, Babel, Torres and maybe Benayoun, I think Babel has the makings of a future star.
Those getting the road would be Voronin, Kewell, Arbeloa, OhNO Sissoko and maybe Riise.
Would probably agree with you 5iveTimes, Babel has a bit of the headless chicken about him though. Big Sami has to go too, it is like watching a train crash everytime he plays.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
From tonights team, who should stay and who should get the road.
I would keep Reina, Carragher, Finnan, Stevie G, Babel, Torres and maybe Benayoun, I think Babel has the makings of a future star.
Those getting the road would be Voronin, Kewell, Arbeloa, OhNO Sissoko and maybe Riise.
I'd give peachy bum a chance to prove his fitness. He'd be getting a 50% pay cut to stay though. If he doesn't like it......
I'd keep Riise too.
Their goal seemed to knock our confidence. The last 15 mins of the 1st half were a shambles.
Quote from: Chrisowc on November 28, 2007, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
From tonights team, who should stay and who should get the road.
I would keep Reina, Carragher, Finnan, Stevie G, Babel, Torres and maybe Benayoun, I think Babel has the makings of a future star.
Those getting the road would be Voronin, Kewell, Arbeloa, OhNO Sissoko and maybe Riise.
I'd give peachy bum a chance to prove his fitness. He'd be getting a 50% pay cut to stay though. If he doesn't like it......
I'd keep Riise too.
Their goal seemed to knock our confidence. The last 15 mins of the 1st half were a shambles.
On what grounds would you keep Riise? For the screamer into the top corner once a year and the rest of them into the Kop?
Why does Crouch rarely start for Liverpool? Very underrated...
In fairness 5ive Times i would get rid of him too but that was a pretty bad injury he got then that required surgery.
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 28, 2007, 10:18:10 PM
Why does Crouch rarely start for Liverpool? Very underrated...
I would think he will be looking out of Anfield in January. Would hate to see him go myself but he hes not getting many chances under Rafa.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 10:17:38 PM
Corn02 I am afraid Kewell is another of those Liverpool players who continually flatters to deceive. My lasting memory of Kewell is from Istanbul in 2005 going off injured when we looked dead and buried, his head had gone down well before his "injury" but he was the fastest man onto the field when we won on penalties. For the first time in his Liverpool career his injury healed pretty quick.
He should be given his P45 ASAP.
If my leg was under my arm and I was on the pitch that night, I'd have been faster than Kewell.
I think Kewell will be so important of he stays fit, has looked good since his latest return and made the second tonight, Torres had a bit too do and is creamable!!
We know Sami is no longer first choice and I would imagine after Jan he mightn't even be 3rd choice but the big man has been great and stayed at the pool when he could have left for handy money in the summer, I'm sure he's well paid but stayed at a club where he knows there will be pressure. Don't think he shpuld be knocked.
Lost our way after the goal and maybe tried too hard at times. Stuck at it and it paid dividends, other years we wouldn't have scored.
Quote from: SeanSouth on November 28, 2007, 10:13:02 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on November 28, 2007, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
From tonights team, who should stay and who should get the road.
I would keep Reina, Carragher, Finnan, Stevie G, Babel, Torres and maybe Benayoun, I think Babel has the makings of a future star.
Those getting the road would be Voronin, Kewell, Arbeloa, OhNO Sissoko and maybe Riise.
I'd give peachy bum a chance to prove his fitness. He'd be getting a 50% pay cut to stay though. If he doesn't like it......
I'd keep Riise too.
Their goal seemed to knock our confidence. The last 15 mins of the 1st half were a shambles.
On what grounds would you keep Riise? For the screamer into the top corner once a year and the rest of them into the Kop?
I think he's a decent left sided player who is better in an advanced position. 5 Times is suggesting getting rid of 3 players who can play on the left side.
Riise is only 26/27 maybe? If we can get somebody who is better then great. Still a good player to have in the squad.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 10:24:26 PM
I would keep Crouch, but he would have to be happy as a squad player, we need another World Class striker to play alongside Torres, who is shaping up to be the best striker in the world.
His biggest criticism in Spain was his finishing. He makes himself a chance out of nowhere then blazes over. Once he gets that sorted who knows what he can achieve?
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 28, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
From tonights team, who should stay and who should get the road.
I would keep Reina, Carragher, Finnan, Stevie G, Babel, Torres and maybe Benayoun, I think Babel has the makings of a future star.
Those getting the road would be Voronin, Kewell, Arbeloa, OhNO Sissoko and maybe Riise.
Give Voronin a chance! I think he's done fine so far. Arbeloa has been excellent as well, in my opinion. Riise is certainly been below par over the past year or so for sure. Kewell I think is worth giving a chance to, provided he can stay fit for a few months. Sissoko's future depends on Mascherano's situation. Lucas looks a much better prospect than him at the moment.
I still think Mascherano is terrible... he doesn't do anything & seems a bit clueless!
... I am convinced that if Dirk Kuyt was told to play defensive midfielder, he'd be much better at it, than Javier!
Masch is a quality player. does alot of the donkey work that goes unnoticed, bit like makalele with real madrid a few years ago & to a lesser extent chelsea as well. covers alot of ground, strong in the tackle & has great vision.
sooner we snap him up permanently the better
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 29, 2007, 08:14:36 AM
I still think Mascherano is terrible... he doesn't do anything & seems a bit clueless!
Goats talk a bit of sense now ! you hatred for everything Liverpool is blurring your vision slightly....
Not really, I can recognise the qualities of Torres - smashing player.
Reina is a decent goalkeeper.
Gerrard is passionate & energetic - with the occasional glimpse of class...
Alonso is a terrific player, yet a little slow.
Carragher is very passionate, & reads the game very well.
Finnan, seems to have started playing well again, decent full back.
Arbeloa I reckon is decent enough too...
If Mascherano was from the North of Ireland... he wouldn't be in the Liverpool starting line up! - Sissoko is a better defensive midfielder, unfortunately he just cannot pass or control the football!
Crouch will never be anything more than an "impact" sub, good to bring on in the last 20 minutes when you need a goal but i dont think he could play with Torres game in game out. We would end up doing as England did and hoof aimless balls up to him instead of playing decent balls into Torres.
Jesus what an awful load of gash has been written on these past two pages. Get rid of Mascherano, are you wise? The amount of attacks he breaks up is unreal, he is also comfortable on the ball and very rarely gives it away. Last night for example saw Masch run down the wing and cross the ball in, when have you ever seen Alonso or Sissoko do that? In my opinion Mascherano has been our top performer this season, apart from El Nino.
Also, for those of you suggesting to get rid of Kewell, I was a massive critic of him as well after the Istanbul fiasco, something just told me that he didn't have the heart for it that night. But no-one can deny that since his latest return from injury he is looking sharper and leaner than ever. Kewell created the second goal last night, and his arrival on the pitch along with Crouch is a large part of the reason why we triumphed last night. Kewell simply must be given another chance, he has looked immensely threatening since his return, and hopefully will continue in this vein.
The signing of Arbeloa has proved to be a particularly astute one, and it would also be folly to get rid of him. He adds so much more to our side as an attacking force when he is in the team. He very rarely gets caught out defensively, as he is an extremely difficult obstacle for wingers to negotiate wih his fleet-footedness.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 29, 2007, 09:12:51 AM
Not really, I can recognise the qualities of Torres - smashing player.
Reina is a decent goalkeeper.
Gerrard is passionate & energetic - with the occasional glimpse of class...
Alonso is a terrific player, yet a little slow.
Carragher is very passionate, & reads the game very well.
Finnan, seems to have started playing well again, decent full back.
Arbeloa I reckon is decent enough too...
If Mascherano was from the North of Ireland... he wouldn't be in the Liverpool starting line up! - Sissoko is a better defensive midfielder, unfortunately he just cannot pass or control the football!
Lad if that's the best you can come up with, you'd be better keeping quiet. Sissoko is not a better defensive midfielder than Mascherano. Go and watch last year's Champions League semi-final and final from last year to see two massive performances from Masch.
QuoteLast night for example saw Masch run down the wing and cross the ball in, when have you ever seen Alonso or Sissoko do that?
The only attacking input I have seen from him since he joined the pool! - & only because there was nowhere else to go!
Alonso brings alot more to the party! - Anybody can pass the ball 4 yards back or across ... look at Neil Lennon! ;)
But mascherano does much more than pass the ball 4 yards. He is a great passer of the ball, whether it be long or short. You obviously haven't been paying much attention to the game he has played in. If we lose him it will be catastrophic.
Have to say I agree. Masch has been out standing. Very strong in the tackle yet can actually pass a ball.
If he did come up for sale due to the americans I'm sure Alex Ferguson would be keeping a close eye on it as he's much better that Hargreaves. And the cost looks about the same.
Last night was weird. Liverpool win 4-1 yet you don't get the feeling they played well. Torres definitely looks the real deal and could hopefully be the difference in us making a decent challenge for the league. His turn of speed when he drops the shoulder is great.
Quote from: Stalin on November 29, 2007, 09:17:48 AM
Jesus what an awful load of gash has been written on these past two pages. Get rid of Mascherano, are you wise? The amount of attacks he breaks up is unreal, he is also comfortable on the ball and very rarely gives it away. Last night for example saw Masch run down the wing and cross the ball in, when have you ever seen Alonso or Sissoko do that? In my opinion Mascherano has been our top performer this season, apart from El Nino.
Also, for those of you suggesting to get rid of Kewell, I was a massive critic of him as well after the Istanbul fiasco, something just told me that he didn't have the heart for it that night. But no-one can deny that since his latest return from injury he is looking sharper and leaner than ever. Kewell created the second goal last night, and his arrival on the pitch along with Crouch is a large part of the reason why we triumphed last night. Kewell simply must be given another chance, he has looked immensely threatening since his return, and hopefully will continue in this vein.
The signing of Arbeloa has proved to be a particularly astute one, and it would also be folly to get rid of him. He adds so much more to our side as an attacking force when he is in the team. He very rarely gets caught out defensively, as he is an extremely difficult obstacle for wingers to negotiate wih his fleet-footedness.
Well said mate. I think Arbeloa has been one of our best players this season. Masch is immense, anynody who can't see what he brings to the game needs to give up
Ive just had a look through Goats Do Shaves post history, appears he is a Manc on the windup
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 29, 2007, 09:12:51 AM
Reina is a decent goalkeeper.
Dear god, that quote says it all ::)
Lads, of course Goats Do Shave is a Man U supporter. He's not secretive about that. I'm not sure if he's on a windup or not, but I would disagree about Mascherano. I think Masch is the heir apparent to Didi Hamann in the Liverpool midfield, and Didi was the most underrated player in the League for years.
This lark about passing the ball 4 yards being a bad thing, well that's not true. Sometimes you just need to keep possession and keep control of the ball. Passing it 4 yards to a Red shirt when there's nothing else on is better than trying a Stevie G 50 yarder between 4 defenders. If there is something on, then by all means make the more incisive pass. But when you have the ball, the other team can't hurt you, and you can control the tempo of the game.
Patience is a virtue.
Quote from: Stalin on November 29, 2007, 09:27:12 AM
Ive just had a look through Goats Do Shaves post history, appears he is a Manc on the windup
Correct Stalin, best ignored. I think he realises what a pair of clowns they have in Hargreaves and Carrick.
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 29, 2007, 09:34:02 AM
Lads, of course Goats Do Shave is a Man U supporter. He's not secretive about that. I'm not sure if he's on a windup or not, but I would disagree about Mascherano. I think Masch is the heir apparent to Didi Hamann in the Liverpool midfield, and Didi was the most underrated player in the League for years.
This lark about passing the ball 4 yards being a bad thing, well that's not true. Sometimes you just need to keep possession and keep control of the ball. Passing it 4 yards to a Red shirt when there's nothing else on is better than trying a Stevie G 50 yarder between 4 defenders. If there is something on, then by all means make the more incisive pass. But when you have the ball, the other team can't hurt you, and you can control the tempo of the game.
Patience is a virtue.
All this 4 yard talk - Bill Shankly (R.I.P), his simple instructions to the players was - just pass to the nearest red shirt!
Ok, normally I avoid this and the Man U thread but I can't ignore the praise Mascherano is getting. Anytime I have see this player play he has been pants, he is dreadful. He is to passing what Paul Scholes is to tackling.
Macherano is indeed fantastic but to suggest he is a good passer is just crazy. He breaks attacks up and should pass to the nearest man. He is a bad a passeer as Sissoko but fortunately his breaking up of attacks is the best I have seen for Liverpool in years.
Riise should be sold when we can still get 3 or 4 million for him. He is a player who is over rated due to a few screamers.
Regarding Kewekk and the Champions League final, the club made the mistake of suggesting he did not need surgery. The club blackened his name and must of felt bad when they relaised it was serious enough for surgery. His introductions against Blackburn and Porto are enough for him to get a chance. Unlike Babbel or Yossi he is a player who 'gets chalk on his boots'. With Crouch in the box that is what you need. Crouch is an impact player, maybe one of the best impact players but not a starter.
One final note how come on BBC ratings the fans give Gerrard the second highest out of the 11 starters. He was terrible last night? Sometimes people just see it is Gerrard and will notsay he had a bad game.
Quote from: girt_giggler on November 29, 2007, 08:45:30 AM
Masch is a quality player. does alot of the donkey work that goes unnoticed, bit like makalele with real madrid a few years ago
Holy fcuk - have you been sniffing glue again
Masch wouldnt lace Makalele's boots
The best thing about Mascherano was his association with Tevez. He looks like he can't be bothered at Liverpool.
I missed the analysis after the game by dumb, dumber and ballbeg face. Anyone enlighten me to what they said?
I'm sure it was along the lines of. 'Although under immense pressure to perform, Liverpool (who didn't play particularly well) still managed to put 4 past the unbeaten portugese league leaders. Surely a sign of a good team, who can convincely win when not at their best!!'
Quote from: Dinny Breen on November 29, 2007, 11:48:42 AM
Ok, normally I avoid this and the Man U thread but I can't ignore the praise Mascherano is getting. Anytime I have see this player play he has been pants, he is dreadful. He is to passing what Paul Scholes is to tackling.
With comments like that Dinny you're better off away from these threads. It's laughable for you to suggest Mascherano is 'pants', he has been a revelation since coming to Liverpool. Like I said above, go and and watch the CL Final, or his performance against Chelski in last year's CL.
He is a great ball winner and rarely gives away possession, and has a wide variety of passes in his repertoire. For those of you contending that he is not a good passer, I challenge you to define what is a good passer and then point out specific reasons why Mascherano isn't one.
Stalin I challenge that belief. A superb player yes but an average passer at best. You point out about the CL semi e.t.c but I have watched pretty much all his matches this season and he has a tendancy to give the ball away when passing more than ten yards. The reason for this is that he seems to have an inability to pass a ball into a players run i.e the player makes a run and instead of playing it a few yards in front he passes it too him resulting the ball being behind the recieving player when it reaches him. Last night his passing was surprisingly good and I hope it continues but passing is obviously the weak point of his game and this is coming from one of his biggest fans.
I'll repeat - Neil Lennon! ;)
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 29, 2007, 12:48:39 PM
I'll repeat - Neil Lennon! ;)
hold on til i check - yes, this is the liverpool supporters thread
Can't see the wood for the trees....for every Fabregas you have a Senderos for every Torres you have a Mascherano....the guy is rubbish, I shall take my leave now, because in the land of the blind the man with one eye is King......and I don't have time to be your King...
You're not much of a loss Dinny, with those insights.
Corn, we will agree to disagree on Masch I guess.
Well we are not really disagreeing as we both agree that he is a class act and one of the best midfielders in the Premiership.
That's more like it! :-*
QuoteBill Shankly (R.I.P), his simple instructions to the players was - just pass to the nearest red shirt!
Gerrard would have been playing for Tranmere those days, and rightly so.
Torres is the man. He got us out of another self-dug hole last night. Tremendous.
Quote from: full back on November 29, 2007, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on November 29, 2007, 08:45:30 AM
Masch is a quality player. does alot of the donkey work that goes unnoticed, bit like makalele with real madrid a few years ago
Holy fcuk - have you been sniffing glue again
Masch wouldnt lace Makalele's boots
didn't mention anything about laces or boots, maybe you are on the glue...
nor did i mention masch is better than what makalele was, my posted quite clearly suggests that, in my opinion, the role masch plays is in someways similar to that of makalele @ Madrid/Chelsea.
Quote from: girt_giggler on November 29, 2007, 02:25:18 PM
nor did i mention masch is better than what makalele was
Oh right, apologies. I thought you were alluding to a similarity between the two in regards to player, class & quality which would have been absurd. You are correct in saying they play in a similar role
apology accepted! ;D
Quote from: full back on November 29, 2007, 02:44:22 PM
Quote from: girt_giggler on November 29, 2007, 02:25:18 PM
nor did i mention masch is better than what makalele was
Oh right, apologies. I thought you were alluding to a similarity between the two in regards to player, class & quality which would have been absurd. You are correct in saying they play in a similar role
Now i dont kno if the comparison could be described as absurd, now perhaps comparing Hargreaves to Makalele would be absurd but Mascherano is a top quality player regardless of your blinding Man Utd bias.
Quote from: SeanSouth on November 29, 2007, 02:51:55 PM
Now i dont kno if the comparison could be described as absurd, now perhaps comparing Hargreaves to Makalele would be absurd but Mascherano is a top quality player regardless of your blinding Man Utd bias.
Comparing both Masch & Hargreaves to Makalele is absurd.
Masch is a quality player, nothing more yet
Spot on full back.
The Liverpool team in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise, Benayoun, Gerrard, Lucas, Kewell, Torres, Crouch. Subs: Itandje, Mascherano, Babel, Kuyt, Hobbs.
Take it Finnan has a knock? Good to see Hobbs on the bench all the same. Would be good in a weird kind of way for Sami to have to come off, Hobbs come on and have a blinder, prove he can make the step up.
Good to see Lucas in as well, another cracking prospect.
Finnan has been in and out of the team of late. Arbeloa seems to be becoming the preferred option.
2-0 just at the half. Marvellous goal again from Torres (and lovely pass from Gerrard). Anelka with the miss of the season 10 minutes before.
4-0 mental. Bolton were poor
Could have been a lot more in the end.
Still, shite start to the season and all, we are now level with United, a point behind Chelsea (with a game in hand) and haven't let Arsenal disappear into the distance. Also still in with a good shout of progressing in the champions league. The quality of the football isn't too bad at all.
That could all change over the next few weeks of course with some tough fixtures coming up, but all in all, its not looking too bad.
Torres is looking nigh unmarkable. Babel is doing well when he comes on late in games. Agger and Alonso still to come back, Mascherano not needed today.
I still believe Liverpool will be Arsenal's nearest challengers for the title. Still unbeaten in the league despite playing fairly average for the most part.
Happy Christmas Liverpool. Signed, Nicolas Anelka (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/1577054)
Revere him...
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:D :D
Quote from: Stalin on December 02, 2007, 02:17:02 PM
The Liverpool team in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Riise, Benayoun, Gerrard, Lucas, Kewell, Torres, Crouch. Subs: Itandje, Mascherano, Babel, Kuyt, Hobbs.
Take it Finnan has a knock? Good to see Hobbs on the bench all the same. Would be good in a weird kind of way for Sami to have to come off, Hobbs come on and have a blinder, prove he can make the step up.
Good to see Lucas in as well, another cracking prospect.
Careful what you wish! Carra had to come off.
The one thing that springs to mind when watching Torres (name me a striker you would swap him with anywhere in the world) is the talk when he came to Liverpool that he was not prolific enough, indeed i remember some of the "experts" on the Man United thread saying he was pish........Experts indeed. He is on his way to being the best striker at Liverpool since Ian Rush.
I thought he wasn't prolific enough. I thought wrong. He's definately firing more than I anticapated...
Got to my first match of the seaon yesterday and was very impressed. From the viewpoint of the stands we dominated completely. Anelkas miss was criminal and got some cheer. I thought Diouf was one of their better players but should of walked for that tackle. Lucas was my man of the match, calm as you like his tackling and passing was spot on. At least we know if the Masch deal messes up we should have someone who can fill the void even if he is a bit more attacking.
Everyone played well best were Arbelo, Gerrard, Lucas and Torres.
Tough game on Saturday with 3 points essential.
Quote from: new devil on July 28, 2007, 05:42:40 AM
Quote from: Gold on July 28, 2007, 01:33:30 AM
when torres stepped up i said to my mate "it will be terrible bad 4 his confidence if he misses, hes defo not gona score" and he didnt--he looks uptight and nervous--hes gonna b a flop-shevchenko style
You cannot be serious! missing a peno in a micky mouse game goina make him a flop....the mans quality, wont be far away from topscorer in premiership.....hope iam wrong ;)
Well i wasnt one of them ;)
I know were some people might have been coming from regarding Torres. In Spain he was making loads of chances for himself yet wasn't always taking them. And to be fair he doesn't always make the best of the chances he creates. I'm thinking of the Porto game were he could have had a hat trick. But from what I've seen so far he looks to be the best striker at Liverpool for a long time. His turn of speed when he drops the shoulder is amazing.
That said I would have to agree with what some one else said earlier. I'd keep Crouch over Kuyt anyday of the week. To be fair I think our striking line-up is strong. Vorinin started well but seems to have dies a bit but at least he'll provide a decent cover is any of the three main strikers get injured. Then with Kewell and Pennant coming back into contension there's plenty of cover.
I'd still have a worry over the CB's. I don't think Hobbs could be expected to take the big step up yet if there were any other injures back there, The sooner Agger gets back the better.
Agree 100% sarsfields.
Torres hasnt taken a few he should have, when he gets his shooting boots on hell be unstoppable!
Quote from: Chrisowc on November 28, 2007, 10:38:39 PM
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His biggest criticism in Spain was his finishing. He makes himself a chance out of nowhere then blazes over. Once he gets that sorted who knows what he can achieve?
Try and keep up lads ;D ;)
Always dukes onto his right foot which defenders can combat. Regarding his finishing, bar Newcastle it has been pretty classythus far.
Hopefully he lifts the net against the team from outside Manchester in two weeks.
One thing I've noticed about him is that he'll often dummys to go right to make space then cuts to the left. But then he tries to finish it with his right foot. Surely he would be better dummy left then cutting to the right to allow him to have a clean shot with his stronger foot.
Look at me giving advise to a premiership player!! :-X
I actually know where your coming from Sarsfields. Basically to hit it with his right foot the way he does he ends up being quite wide.
No mention of rotation recently i see.
Team against Blackburn
Pepe Reina
John Arne Riise
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Steve Finnan
Ryan Babel
Javier Mascherano
Momo Sissoko
Yossi Benayoun
Steven Gerrard (c)
Dirk Kuyt
Team against Besiktas 4 changes from blackburn game
Pepe Reina
Fabio Aurelio
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Alvaro Arbeloa
John Arne Riise
Steven Gerrard (c)
Javier Mascherano
Yossi Benayoun
Peter Crouch
Andriy Voronin
Team against Fulham no changes from Besiktas game
Pepe Reina
Fabio Aurelio
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyppia
Alvaro Arbeloa
John Arne Riise
Steven Gerrard (c)
Mascherano
Yossi Benayoun
Peter Crouch
Andriy Voronin
Team against Newcastle 6 changes from Fulham game
Pepe Reina
Alvaro Arbeloa
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Steve Finnan
Harry Kewell
Lucas Leiva
Momo Sissoko
Steven Gerrard (c)
Dirk Kuyt
Fernando Torres
Team against Porto 4 changes from Newcastle game
Pepe Reina
Alvaro Arbeloa
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Steve Finnan
Ryan Babel
Steven Gerrard (c)
Javier Mascherano
Yossi Benayoun
Torres
Voronin
Team against Bolton 4 changes from Porto game
Pepe Reina
John Arne Riise
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
Alvaro Arbeloa
Harry Kewell
Steven Gerrard
Lucas Leiva
Yossi Benayoun
Peter Crouch
Fernando Torres
The only game Rafa didn't rotate was after Besiktas, which needed the introduction of subs to change the scoreline. Just goes to show the media only ever bring it up when a result goes against us
Reserves on tonight v Everton on lfctv
QuoteNo mention of rotation recently i see.
Strangely enough it's never mentioned when you're winning. ;D
Quote from: gawa316 on December 04, 2007, 12:53:25 PM
The only game Rafa didn't rotate was after Besiktas, which needed the introduction of subs to change the scoreline. Just goes to show the media only ever bring it up when a result goes against us
Team spirit is an illusion glimpsed only in victory - Steve Archibald
The Reds are coming up the hill boys
The Reds are coming up the hill boys
They all laugh at us
They all mock us
They all say out days are numbered
Born to be Scouse
Victoriously
If you want to win a cup
Then you'd better hurry up
Cos of Liverpool FC
Victorious and glorious
We took the Gwladys Street between the four of us
Glory be to God that there wasn't any more
Cos the four of us took the f***in' lot!
Someone just blew on the flickering embers of hope, the bastard.
So.... was the Beskitas game fixed??? :o :o
I knew there was something up with that result! ;)
Liverpool involved in match-fixing :o
Dont believe it ;)
Yes because Babels goal etc was a fix.
Stupid paper talk.
Jack Hobbs to make his first start against Reading:
Reina, Arbeloa, Riise, Hobbs, Carragher, Gerrard, Mascherano, Sissoko, Voronin, Torres, Crouch
Reading 2
Liverpool 1
after 60mins :(
Gerrard smacks the crossbar from 35yards
Reading 3
Liverpool 1
:o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(
Fully deserved i might add
Stevie G off :o
3-1 down and Benitez takes off Torres and Gerrard what the f**k is going on ???
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 06:47:41 PM
3-1 down and Benitez takes off Torres and Gerrard what the f**k is going on ???
Tuesday night and next Sunday?
Quote from: Square Ball on December 08, 2007, 06:48:34 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 06:47:41 PM
3-1 down and Benitez takes off Torres and Gerrard what the f**k is going on ???
Tuesday night and next Sunday?
there was 25 mins left what about getting points from this game it just doesn't make sense it be different if we were 3-1 ahead
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 08, 2007, 06:48:34 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 06:47:41 PM
3-1 down and Benitez takes off Torres and Gerrard what the f**k is going on ???
Tuesday night and next Sunday?
there was 25 mins left what about getting points from this game it just doesn't make sense it be different if we were 3-1 ahead
Its a bit bizarre all right. The game is just petering out. It looks like Benitez just said "f**k it, we'll make it up some other day".
Makes United next week a must-not-lose game though.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 06:43:05 PM
Reading 3
Liverpool 1
:o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(
Fully deserved i might add
Yep, they took their chances.
The ref hasn't done Liverpool any favours at all, but that's the way it goes. Liverpool looked very lackadaisical today anyway.
No complaints from the laoislad on this result we deserved nothing from this game and fair play to Reading,I would agree with J70 on that i think Benitez said f**k it we'll take this one on the chin...I still think he is more interested in winning Europe again than the Premiership,In my opinion this was just as much of a must win game as Marseille and United next week
Yes it wasn't a penalty but i wouldn't say that had much too do with how we played,they never got out of second gear and looked un interested for most of the game hopefully its only a blip
Quote from: J70 on December 08, 2007, 07:02:23 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 08, 2007, 06:48:34 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 06:47:41 PM
3-1 down and Benitez takes off Torres and Gerrard what the f**k is going on ???
Tuesday night and next Sunday?
there was 25 mins left what about getting points from this game it just doesn't make sense it be different if we were 3-1 ahead
Its a bit bizarre all right. The game is just petering out. It looks like Benitez just said "f**k it, we'll make it up some other day".
Makes United next week a must-not-lose game though.
Certainly does,Im heading over to it next weekend hopefully they play better than today
Benitiz is a c*nt. What's he at?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 08, 2007, 07:11:26 PM
No complaints from the laoislad on this result we deserved nothing from this game and fair play to Reading,I would agree with J70 on that i think Benitez said f**k it we'll take this one on the chin...I still think he is more interested in winning Europe again than the Premiership,In my opinion this was just as much of a must win game as Marseille and United next week
Yes it wasn't a penalty but i wouldn't say that had much too do with how we played,they never got out of second gear and looked un interested for most of the game hopefully its only a blip
Liverpool's penalty against Fulham was similar, in that the initial contact was outside the box, so we can't complain too much about that. Torres should have had one in the first half, and the one where he got the knock looked suspect too, but those decisions go for and against every team. Throw in the two shots off the post/bar, and on another day, Liverpool would have got a result, despite the rather flat performance. Every team is going to have an off-day somewhere along the line - the important thing is that they recover quickly from it, as United did after the Bolton game and Chelsea after the Villa one after Grant took over. The thing for Liverpool is the magnitude of the next two games - win both, and today will be forgotten very, very quickly. Lose both, and recovering this season will be very tough.
I think Sissoko's days as a Liverpool player are seriously numbered now. He mixed the sublime with the ridiculous again today, winning 20/80 balls, then screwing up five yard passes. Even the one he laid back to Gerrard for his chip off the bar was played short! It looked like men and boys with Mascherano beside him.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 08, 2007, 07:20:02 PM
Today is the start of a make or break week for Liverpool and it hasnt started well. Team selection was questionable to say the least and then taking Gerrard off was a joke. What Benitez needs to understand is, the Champions League means nothing compared to the League. This was a bigger game than the game on Tuesday, those 3 points lost today may be very valuable come the end of the season. If Rafa hasnt realised that the League means everything to Liverpool and everything else is secondary then he should be asking himself some difficult questions. The Liverpool of old played their strongest XI week in week out and we owned the League in those days, this rotation nonsense has to stop now.
Reading fully deserved their 3 points today, they wanted it more than Liverpool, but they were playing with an extra man, the Referee, who gave them a 1 goal start and then denied Liverpool a couple of penalties, he didnt want to give us anything and I think his performance today should be seriously questioned.
Maybe a few decisions went against us but i really think blaming the ref is being unfair to Reading,even apart from the ref Liverpool never looked like doing much today they were disjointed looking and as i said before they looked un interested
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 08, 2007, 07:20:02 PM
Today is the start of a make or break week for Liverpool and it hasnt started well. Team selection was questionable to say the least and then taking Gerrard off was a joke. What Benitez needs to understand is, the Champions League means nothing compared to the League. This was a bigger game than the game on Tuesday, those 3 points lost today may be very valuable come the end of the season. If Rafa hasnt realised that the League means everything to Liverpool and everything else is secondary then he should be asking himself some difficult questions. The Liverpool of old played their strongest XI week in week out and we owned the League in those days, this rotation nonsense has to stop now.
Reading fully deserved their 3 points today, they wanted it more than Liverpool, but they were playing with an extra man, the Referee, who gave them a 1 goal start and then denied Liverpool a couple of penalties, he didnt want to give us anything and I think his performance today should be seriously questioned.
Gerrard may have had a knock, as Benitez had initially decided to take off Hobbs and Gerrard was holding an ice pack to his side afterwards.
No one was saying a word about rotation over the past month, so why is it suddenly the culprit once more? Benitez was always going to make a couple of changes for this match, given the next two. If they had a result, no one would be saying a word, as they haven't been over the past few weeks.
My complaint today would be more to do with the formation and intensity - Liverpool were far too narrow in the first half, and didn't get going at all until they scored, somewhat against the run of play. Maybe there was a bit of complacency in the side after the recent run.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 08, 2007, 07:25:55 PM
Yes Laoislad, they were disjointed and Benitez must take the blame for that. The team would do a lot better if it was a settled side with less changes. Get a starting XI and dont change it during the league unless there is an injury or a player losses form. FFS we are starting players who clearly havent found any sort of form.
You were right about Voronin.
I agree the team needs to be settled but i honestly believe with Rafa in charge that is never gonna happen,Is it time for a change of manager ?..Don't get me wrong im not suddenly jumping on the get Rafa out bandwagon just because we lost one game but im seriously starting to think that Liverpool will never win the League with Benitez in charge.
There is still a lot of deadwood at Liverpool, Riise isn't the player he use to be and i don't rate Arbeloa,Voronin,Babel
Benitez proved in Spain that he had what it takes to win the league. Nonchalant attitude? Wtf, we were unbeaten until today, something that does not be achieved through nonchalance. Was Fergie 'nonchalant' last week in his selection against Bolton, does he not have what it takes to win another league.
We certainly wernt at our best today but to say with certainty that Reading deserved to win the game is somewhat blinkered. They gained impetus from a penalty that never was. We had the better opportunities, and 17 shots. How many did Reading have? What chances did they have apart from their goals?
5times you say this rotation has to stop, but there were many many changes during our winning streak there, Rafa only kept same team once I think. Clearly, for me, the rotation isnt the problem, moreso the selection of square pegs in round holes eg Voronin. Sissoko is a complete calamity and has to be sold in January.
Laoislad why do you not rate Arbeloa and Babel? Arbeloa has certainly proved himself worthy of selection for me, and Babel continues to impress me when he gets a run out. I think he could go on to great things in a few years. To 'not rate' him halfway through his first season is a tad knee-jerk in my opinion.
This clamour about taking Gerrard off is ridiculous. I was as surprised as anyone to see him being taken off, but he looks to have taken a knock and with two season-defining games ahead this week, I think the substitution would have made a lot of sense anyway. With Kewell and Babel on we started looking more dangerous going forward.
Last week Benitez was being proclaimed as the messiah, but failure on Tuesday, coupled with defeat against Man United on Sunday, and the clamour to have him axed could be deafening!
Who proclaimed him as the messiah? Must have missed that one ::)
I'll laugh when the rotation excuse is rolled out again, certainly was not audible over the last five games.
Very poor performance. I felt the formation Rafa sent out was all wrong. Bad luck tonight but Reading value for the win. Only bright note was once again Kewell looked a class act.
Someone already did roll it out above :-\
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 08, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
Last week Benitez was being proclaimed as the messiah, but failure on Tuesday, coupled with defeat against Man United on Sunday, and the clamour to have him axed could be deafening!
While the opposite results will see him elevated to messiah status again. Its a thin line. Hopefully the Liverpool owners are a bit more realistic and rational than the average supporter.
Quote from: Stalin on December 08, 2007, 08:12:22 PM
Who proclaimed him as the messiah? Must have missed that one ::)
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2nd Dec...to me that's messiahish worshiping!
Quote from: Stalin on December 08, 2007, 08:03:20 PM
Laoislad why do you not rate Arbeloa and Babel? Arbeloa has certainly proved himself worthy of selection for me, and Babel continues to impress me when he gets a run out. I think he could go on to great things in a few years. To 'not rate' him halfway through his first season is a tad knee-jerk in my opinion.
From what i have seen of Babel he looks a lazy git but he is young and hopefully will go on to prove me wrong but from what i have seen of him so far im far from impressed.
I don't think Arbeola is a good defender he makes to many mistakes for my liking and also can look a tad lazy i would prefer to see Aurelio play to be honest..
All a matter of opinion i suppose but they are just my thoughts on them two players
Quote from: J70 on December 08, 2007, 08:19:31 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 08, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
Last week Benitez was being proclaimed as the messiah, but failure on Tuesday, coupled with defeat against Man United on Sunday, and the clamour to have him axed could be deafening!
While the opposite results will see him elevated to messiah status again. Its a thin line. Hopefully the Liverpool owners are a bit more realistic and rational than the average supporter.
True...it can be a funny old game. I'll be cheering the draw or a Scouse win next Sunday!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 08, 2007, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: Stalin on December 08, 2007, 08:12:22 PM
Who proclaimed him as the messiah? Must have missed that one ::)
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2nd Dec...to me that's messiahish worshiping!
The Rafatollah? Ah come on, it was just a bunch of lads having a laugh! I thought it was hilarious, and a nice tribute and show of support for him.
Stalin i am also willing to give Babel a chance but he has only really scored looked sharp when we have been tanking teams,"garbage time" as the yanks call it....... Derby, Newcastle, Besiktas, Bolton. When matches have been tight i havent seen enough from him yet.
I take it Agger wont be rushed back for the United game?
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 08, 2007, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 08, 2007, 07:30:17 PM
Gerrard may have had a knock, as Benitez had initially decided to take off Hobbs and Gerrard was holding an ice pack to his side afterwards.
No one was saying a word about rotation over the past month, so why is it suddenly the culprit once more?
Stevie looked peeved at being taken off. He is the one man who can grab a game by the scruff of the neck and get you back into it. Hobbs had a poor debut and was at fault for one of the goals. Maybe Rafa realised the game was gone and took Stevie off to save him for bigger games to come, but I think there is no bigger game than the one you are playing in and Rafa got things badly wrong today.
I have always been a huge critic of Rafas Rotation policy. You wont win the league with an unsettled team.
Yet United and Chelsea have been chopping away at their line-ups as well over the past few seasons. Yes, they keep the key men in there most of the time, but so does Benitez in the vast majority of games. Gerrard has played almost every game this season, Torres has too when he is fit. Carragher has only missed the couple of games at the start of the season when he fractured his rib. Mascherano has also played most matches. All of the teams tend to change a couple of players each match, yet the only time its ever really criticized is when Liverpool lose a game.
Benitez got it wrong today, no question, but that doesn't mean that rotation is the problem.
We haven't won the league in so long - it makes me sick!! Benitez doesn't understand how important it is!
He just doesn't get it.
i think evryone agrees that the problem is namely:
a)sissoko;
b)voronin
c)a little bit of riise sprinkled on top.
Anyone else staying up for the fight?
Quote from: Stalin on December 09, 2007, 01:54:02 AM
i think evryone agrees that the problem is namely:
a)sissoko;
b)voronin
c)a little bit of riise sprinkled on top.
Anyone else staying up for the fight?
Sissoko just isn't good enough at the moment, and until he finds a bit of composure when on the ball, he won't be. Given the options Liverpool have at their disposal in his position, it looks like he'll have to look elsewhere.
I know I'm probably in the minority, but I think Voronin has been quite good, especially when he's played supporting the striker, where he can slip balls through. He does tend to disappear a bit however, particularly when played out wide. He was no worse than Crouch has been over the past couple of games anyway.
3-1 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
;D
f**k I sound like Fearn
I've been READING a COPPLE of good books lately. I'm on the HUNT for the new one from Roddy DOYLE as well....... ;)
A bit of a break for Liverpool there with Arsenal's loss. Beat United next weekend, and all is well again! :)
Quote from: J70 on December 09, 2007, 03:30:52 PM
A bit of a break for Liverpool there with Arsenal's loss. Beat United next weekend, and all is well again! :)
That's Liverpool's problem, They've no problem getting motivated for certain big games and European nights but until they can consistently comfortably dispose of all the Premier league cannon fodder they will never win the Premier League.
Why on earth play two defensive midfielders against Reading and play your front three in a Bolton type shape up front, with Torres and Voronin playing wide.
QuoteI've been READING a COPPLE of good books lately. I'm on the HUNT for the new one from Roddy DOYLE as well.......
Is that published by HARPER Collins like most sport's book?
Quote from: under the bar on December 09, 2007, 11:56:10 AM
I've been READING a COPPLE of good books lately. I'm on the HUNT for the new one from Roddy DOYLE as well....... ;)
:-\
Any chance you fellas could stay to your own supporters threads before this degenerates into a slanging match?
no
Quote from: Stalin on December 09, 2007, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: under the bar on December 09, 2007, 11:56:10 AM
I've been READING a COPPLE of good books lately. I'm on the HUNT for the new one from Roddy DOYLE as well....... ;)
:-\
Any chance you fellas could stay to your own supporters threads before this degenerates into a slanging match?
Checks 'The Official Thread of Chelsea FC'
Checks date: December 08 2007
Checks time: 08:14:10pm
Checks comment: "A Chelsea supporting Tyronie. Hmmm. So GAA started in 2002 was it? And soccer in 2003/4?"
Checks poster: Stalin
If it's good for the goose? ;)
Meh. Im not continually going into your plastic thread and trying to windup. What is it now, 8 pages and counting?
Quote from: Stalin on December 09, 2007, 08:14:20 PM
Meh. Im not continually going into your plastic thread and trying to windup. What is it now, 8 pages and counting?
Sorry...but I'm not always on the wind up. I generally call it as I see it.
QuoteWhat is it now, 8 pages and counting?
It actually tells you the number of pages beside the title of the thread. It's 6 at the moment. Probably because there are less Chelsea fans around I'd say in this neck of the woods.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article3025820.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article3025820.ece)
Kenny Dalglish and Fernando Torres come from different eras and from different countries but, as their meeting shows, they have more in common than they realise.
No comparisons. The Kid makes it very clear. He does not want to be compared to the King. "As of right now, I haven't done anything," Fernando Torres says. "To tell the truth, I'm almost embarrassed to be here. Please, no comparisons."
And what about "King Kenny"? How does it feel when, for half your life, people have called you a legend and treated you as a footballing deity? And what do you do when you come face to face with your supposed heir apparent?
"You're only a legend in someone else's mind," Kenny Dalglish says. "As long as you're not a legend in your own mind, there's no problem. As for Fernando, people like to put you in pigeonholes, to categorise you, to compare you. But the most important thing is to be yourself."
That is easier said than done because you cannot help but draw comparisons. To appreciate something you need a context, a frame of reference. And as you sit and share a table with these two talented men, you cannot help but notice the common ground.
It is not only that both are strikers, both have the star sign Pisces, both were Liverpool's record signings, both have the ability to turn the Kop into a frenzied hive of humanity. Or even that, less than 24 hours earlier, against Bolton Wanderers, Torres had delivered a finish that was uncannily similar to Dalglish's famous match-winner against FC Bruges in the 1978 European Cup final: the same timed run, the same right-foot caress, the same gentle bounce just before crossing the goalline, the same helpless goalkeeper.
There is an obvious red thread connecting these two men – and that is what a club is about. Players come and go, but the shirt and the continuity remain. Torres plays with Jamie Carragher, who played with Robbie Fowler, who played with John Barnes, who played with Ian Rush, who played with Dalglish. And Dalglish played with Emlyn Hughes, who played with Ian St John, who played with Roger Hunt, who played with Ronnie Moran, who played with . . . Well, you can keep it going all the way back to Malcolm McVean, the man who scored the first goal in Liverpool's history in 1892.
In that sense, Torres and Dalglish are torchbearers for the same 115-year-old tradition. They may bristle at comparisons – whether through modesty or good manners – but they understand the responsibility. "We are the ones who carry out the dream," Dalglish says. "The dream that the supporters will never achieve because they can't play. So they live through us.
"But we have dreams we can't realise too," he adds, after a quick glance at Torres's wide eyes. "I always wanted to stand on the Kop. But I could never go there. I could only go there when it was empty. It's funny, my son got to stand on the Kop. I left him with someone who took him in, looked after him and he got to stand there during a game. He got to achieve a dream that I never could."
The words wash over you. You think about how a man such as Dalglish could miss something as mundane as a Saturday afternoon in the stands supporting his team. And then Torres pipes up, almost wistfully: "I've stood on the Kop. But also only when it was empty. And I would love it if, by the time I retire, I, too, will also be unable to go stand on the Kop."
His grin is sheepish, but with a touch of mischief. The "no comparison" rule? It has gone. But then he knows all too well why he was asked to come here today.
Both men share the fact that they were supporters who got to live the dream. Torres's was perhaps more complete. He got to play for Atlético Madrid, the club he supported as a boy, but Dalglish never played for his childhood idols, Rangers. In fact, as the story goes, on the day Jock Stein's assistant came to his door to take him to Celtic, Dalglish frantically ripped all his Rangers posters off his bedroom wall.
When football becomes your profession, club loyalty goes out of the window. "When you play, it's hard to be a supporter," Dalglish says. "The exception is your country. That's why I really enjoy Scotland games, because I can be the same as everybody else. I can be a fan."
Your eyes flick to Torres's face and you try to guess what he is thinking. The national team. Everyone pulling for their country. And how things in his country are different.
"In Spain, the clubs are far more important," he says. "When I was at Atlético, whenever I'd go to the Bernabéu [the home of Real Madrid] with the national team, the fans would boo me because I was from Atlético. It's a big problem. We're all wearing the same shirt, but when you trained with the national team you would see the Real Madrid guys together, the Valencia guys together, the Barcelona guys together. And they'd go in hard in training, as if they were still wearing their club shirt."
Torres's voice trails away. Then Dalglish chimes in: "You know, there has never been a successful team that's not had a good dressing-room. I mean, they don't have to go drinking together, but the dressing-room is very important."
"Vestuário!" Dalglish repeats the word in Spanish, for emphasis.
"We had a great dressing-room here [at Liverpool], we were real close. Even now there's six of us who remain close. We play golf, we go out with the wives, we're still very close. It's special. That's not a modern thing, is it? In 20 years' time there won't be six of you sticking around Liverpool, will there?" The words hang in the air. It is not an accusation. It is a statement of fact. Football has changed. Eight of Liverpool's starting XI hail from outside Britain. Some things can exist only at a certain point in time. The world moves on.
Back to football. What happens when a superstar is having a stinker? What happens when nothing goes right? Perhaps you expect them to trot out some cliché, like "going back to basics", or that they will defer to more inform teammates. But no, they respond with the same disdain. It is the indignation of those who are used to carrying the weight of responsibility. "I always want the ball, no matter how badly I'm playing," Torres says. "Even if I've missed ten chances in a row I will want the ball. That's what I'm there for. I'm not going to hide."
Dalglish says: "Of course you keep looking and wanting the ball. You have to continue. Look, in the position Fernando plays, he'll miss more than he scores. But it's not the goals that are important, it's the ones you miss. The more you miss, the closer you are to the next one. You have to think that way. And if you don't have the courage to have that mentality, you're not going to be playing at this level."
You search for more common ground. And you find it. "I'll watch Atlético because it's my team," Torres says. "But apart from that, I don't like watching a lot of football. Although I do watch a lot, I don't watch for enjoyment. I do it because I need to know the players and the opposing teams, I need to study and prepare for them."
Dalglish's face lights up. "I was much like Fernando," he says. "I used to watch to see who I was playing against, to see the habits of the goalkeepers, the characteristics of defenders, see if I could learn something.
Later, I would watch if there was a player I wanted to sign, things like that. But now, well, it doesn't grab me the way it did when I was a boy. I'm not really concentrating when I watch football."
Having studied the game for 50-odd years – as a fan, player and manager – Dalglish is content to sit back and let the game be just that: a game. And maybe that is why he seems to be enjoying his time with Torres. The Spaniard's disarming humility and confidence has brought him some joy. And, maybe seven years after leaving the sport for good, it feels good to reconnect, even for just a few hours.
As for Torres, there is more than a little of the student facing up to the master in his demeanour. He may have been embarrassed before arriving, but he is glowing at the connection that has been made.
"I learnt many things today," Torres says when it is time to go. "I like the way Kenny is so accessible, he's a normal person. He says he doesn't feel like a legend, but the fact is that he is and that's why his 'normality' is so shocking to me. You guys brought me here even though I told you that I'm not anywhere near his level. But I'm very proud that I've been able to spend time with him. And I'm honoured that he took the time to talk to me. Seeing someone like him makes me even more hungry to continue to work hard and, perhaps, some day, reach his level."
Their eyes lock. Dalglish knows that it is his turn to impart some wisdom. "Today, footballers are criticised for the money they earn and for their lifestyles," he says. "But Fernando seems to appreciate everything he gets.
"Fernando, this is a special club with special fans." Dalglish is now talking directly to the young man. They may as well be alone in the room. "They love people who love to wear their shirt. But they're not daft, they know when it's real and when it's just for show, kissing the badge and all that. They love to identify with people on the pitch. And I think they will identify with you very, very easily."
Not long to go now lads
Enjoy your last few hours in the CL 2007/08 :D :D
Quote from: full back on December 11, 2007, 04:25:57 PM
Not long to go now lads
Enjoy your last few hours in the CL 2007/08 :D :D
Comments like that usually come back to bite people in their arses
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 11, 2007, 04:54:19 PM
I think its time the mods did something about needless comments like that.
Catch a grip of yourself fivetimes
Quote from: full back on December 11, 2007, 04:25:57 PM
Not long to go now lads
Enjoy your last few hours in the CL 2007/08 :D :D
I might be on my own here but i'd take a win on sunday and a defeat tonight obviously I'd like to win both but if i had to choose between both i'd rather see us beat United on sunday and make a real go of the League
I know the CL is important but it a case of being there done that i would love nothing more than to win the Premiership
In fairness 5ive Times ,full back isn't that sort he doesn't post things to start rows he is one of the good lads and is always fair with his analysis on games etc,I've no doubt he was only having a joke rather than trying to cause chaos
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 11, 2007, 05:06:51 PM
Fullback, childish posts like yours only wind people up and threads quickly descend into chaos. I take it you have read the following post. http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=2778.0
Cheers LL, glad you are in better form this evening, if I had said that yesterday evening you would have been on my back too. Hope you got that cuddle ;)
5ivetimes, wise yourself up & take a chill pill
I didnt say anything controversial
Fernando Torres and Dirk Kuyt will lead the Liverpool forward line in Marseille tonight as the Reds bid to keep their European dreams for this season alive.
Harry Kewell also starts on the left side of midfield while Yossi Benayoun is recalled down the right.
The team in full for the clash in the Stade Velodrome is:
----------------------Reina--------------------
----Arbeloa-----Carragher-----Hyypia-----Riise----
---Benayoun-----Gerrard-----Mascherano-----Kewell----
---------------Torres-----------------Kuyt
Subs:
Itandje, Finnan, Aurelio, Crouch, Babel, Lucas , Hobbs
Liverpool will probably go through to the next round tonight.
Cheyrou to score first, Liverpool to win.
GET IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D
Torres ya boy ya
Who is that new lad out on the left wing? :D
Has to be said Torres is world class. Porto one up so Liverpool would finish second as it stands. Can English sides meet in the next round?
Torres is a genius...
Had to laugh at Dunphy before the game when he really confirmed his Anti-Liverpool bias by saying only two Liverpool players would get on the first eleven of the other 3 Top 4 teams in Premiership Torres and Gerrard and the rest wouldn't even make the other 3 squads
I reckon he forget to mention Alonso,Masherano,Carragher,Renia and maybe even Finnan and it was even a stupid comment to make because really every club in the Top 4 has players who wouldn't make the other teams XI does anyone think O'Shea,Ferdinand,Wes Brown,Louis Saha,Gary Neville,Hargreaves,Silverstre are any better than what Liverpool have?
game over?
As someone who doesnt like liverpool, at least now they have become half decent to watch. Kewell is playing great stuff right now, hes a new man. Torres is a class act.
Whats the deal with the marseille kit, did they lose a bet or something?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 11, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
O'Shea,Ferdinand,Wes Brown,Louis Saha,Gary Neville,Hargreaves,Silverstre are any better than what Liverpool have?
Ferdinand would make the Liverpool team - the rest wouldnt
Just as well Liverpool are going through - that Marseille defence is woeful
Gerrard playing very very well
Torres - what can you say. He has a superb burst of speed & is showing how good he really is tonight. Why the fcuk isnt he playing every minute of every game??
Get the good game out of the system tonight lads ;)
BTW, who is the skinny lad on the left wing.....
Quote from: full back on December 11, 2007, 09:02:25 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 11, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
O'Shea,Ferdinand,Wes Brown,Louis Saha,Gary Neville,Hargreaves,Silverstre are any better than what Liverpool have?
Ferdinand would make the Liverpool team - the rest wouldnt
Just as well Liverpool are going through - that Marseille defence is woeful
Gerrard playing very very well
Torres - what can you say. He has a superb burst of speed & is showing how good he really is tonight. Why the fcuk isnt he playing every minute of every game??
Get the good game out of the system tonight lads ;)
BTW, who is the skinny lad on the left wing.....
Jamie carraher is a tremendous asset to Liverpool and to me would walk on to any national team in the world, he is that good. Ferdinand is a gifted athlete who has a poor attention span and makes big blunders at bad times and to me he is vastly over rated as a central defender.
Quotedoes anyone think O'Shea,Ferdinand,Wes Brown,Louis Saha,Gary Neville,Hargreaves,Silverstre are any better than what Liverpool have?
Ferdinand is better than either of Liverpool's central defenders. Gary Neville is a better right back than Steve Finnan. Hargreaves would definitely get on for Liverpool - better than Sissoko or Mascherano.
None of the rest of the players you named would be in United's best XI
4 nil - lovely.
16 goals in our last 3 CL games :D :D
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2007, 09:16:30 PM
Quotedoes anyone think O'Shea,Ferdinand,Wes Brown,Louis Saha,Gary Neville,Hargreaves,Silverstre are any better than what Liverpool have?
Ferdinand is better than either of Liverpool's central defenders. Gary Neville is a better right back than Steve Finnan. Hargreaves would definitely get on for Liverpool - better than Sissoko or Mascherano.
None of the rest of the players you named would be in United's best XI
Hargreaves better than Mascherano? Doubtful. No debate with Sissoko though.
Ferdinand has improved greatly over the past few years he's been at United. I wouldn't swap him for Carragher or Agger though.
As for Neville, he's solid I suppose, but Finnan (and lately, Arbeloa) are perfectly capable players there for Liverpool. The position is not exactly a weak one for Liverpool either.
Not getting envolved in the who is better than who debate, all personal opinion, but Torres is one hell of a player
Men against boys......Hopefully they have saved some for the wankers on Sunday.....
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 11, 2007, 09:51:10 PM
Men against boys......Hopefully they have saved some for the wankers on Sunday.....
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Quote from: SeanSouth on December 11, 2007, 09:51:10 PM
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Whya re you quoting your own posts ?
should beat united on sunday sure its at anfield just pray o shea does not play
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 11, 2007, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 11, 2007, 09:55:24 PM
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 11, 2007, 09:51:10 PM
Men against boys......Hopefully they have saved some for the wankers on Sunday.....
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Whya re you quoting your own posts ?
What does that mean ??? ???
Rafa might have perferred a stronger test for his boys ahead of mighty ManU at Anfield. Beating a team 3-0 who are languishing in the lower half of the crap French division might give them a false feeling of invincibility.... Roll on the big clash......
Quote from: under the bar on December 11, 2007, 11:38:05 PM
Rafa might have perferred a stronger test for his boys ahead of mighty ManU at Anfield. Beating a team 3-0 who are languishing in the lower half of the crap French division might give them a false feeling of invincibility.... Roll on the big clash......
Well no matter what the result tonight United fans were going to find some way to spin it in their favour! ;)
Good result. Torres' goal was pre class.
What's the story with Mascherano, and for those who are interested...
Just to advise you of fixture change
Chelsea V Liverpool
Sunday 10th February
Kick Off 4pm
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 11, 2007, 09:16:30 PM
Quotedoes anyone think O'Shea,Ferdinand,Wes Brown,Louis Saha,Gary Neville,Hargreaves,Silverstre are any better than what Liverpool have?
Ferdinand is better than either of Liverpool's central defenders. Gary Neville is a better right back than Steve Finnan. Hargreaves would definitely get on for Liverpool - better than Sissoko or Mascherano.
None of the rest of the players you named would be in United's best XI
Ferdinand isn't good enough to lace Carraghers boots FFS,he is nothing but a over rated flash donkey,and as for Hargreaves getting on the Liverpool team ahead of Mascherano are ya having a laugh ???
Remind me why Carragher retired from international football then?
& why has he only been discovered as a centre half about 5 years ago... before he was a central midfielder, but was too slow to be competent in this position. He was then tried at centre half, as a stop gap...
Kuyt is still the best partner for Torres, don't know why you underestimate him!
Arbeloa too is impressive, better than Finnan in my eyes & Rafa's by the looks of it!
Kewell is starting to look like a footballer again!
I still don't see the fuss with the Argentine Neil Lennon.
Liverpool players that would start in a UTD strongest XI - Gerrard & Torres (you would find room for him, but who to drop?? Rooney/Tevez? - Doubt it!)
I like Alonso, Reina, Arbeloa, Kuyt & Carragher... but they wouldn't start!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 12, 2007, 08:08:22 AM
Liverpool players that would start in a UTD strongest XI - Gerrard & Torres (you would find room for him, but who to drop?? Rooney/Tevez? - Doubt it!)
I like Alonso, Reina, Arbeloa, Kuyt & Carragher... but they wouldn't start!
i see we have eamon dunphy on the board.
Quote from: Abble on December 12, 2007, 08:21:06 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 12, 2007, 08:08:22 AM
Liverpool players that would start in a UTD strongest XI - Gerrard & Torres (you would find room for him, but who to drop?? Rooney/Tevez? - Doubt it!)
I like Alonso, Reina, Arbeloa, Kuyt & Carragher... but they wouldn't start!
i see we have eamon dunphy on the board.
Sh!t i'm outed! :o
goats ur a madman, only rooney, vidic and ronaldo wud get on the liverpool team, the likes of carrick, hargreaves, nani, anderson, evra, brown, oshea, fletcher and saha wudnt even get in the squad....
As for carragher ur sayn he cant be a gud centre back becuz this wasnt always his position.... if thats the case henry cant be much of a striker, sure he was a winger til arsene tried him upfront!
Carrick, Nani, Anderson, Brown, O'Shea, Fletch & Saha don't get on the storngest UTD team!!
I said I liked Carragher...but nobody in their right mind can say he's better than Ferdinand!
By the way, Evra, Saha, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani & Brown would have got on that pool team last night!
evra for Riise, Brown for Hyypia, Nani for Benayoun, Anderson for Kewell, Saha for Kuyt & Hargreaves for Neil Lennon!
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 11, 2007, 09:42:45 PM
Comfortable victory, but they shouldnt have needed a win here tonight, it was an easy enough group. Still we are through to the next round and that is all that matters. Who said we wouldnt make it ?
I did, but then you started whingeing and redirecting me to the rules of the board ::)
Lads, no need for the slabbering as to who would make the man u/liverpool teams. I'm happy with our current team (Man u) as I'm sure them pool fams are with theirs! Let's just wait til Sunday! ;)
Torres is the best signing Liverpool have made in years, no decades!! When you consider that Liverpool have played Utd off the park on the last number of meetings and couldn't stick the ball in the net, Torres will obviously be the key on Sunday. That along with an improved performance by Stevie (he hasn't played well in this tie for some time). Last night's result also puts the substitutions on Saturday in prospective, the match was lost at the time and the team had a huge week ahead. As somebody mentioned earlier, I don't think the 'Pool can get Manure, Arsenal, or Chelsea so surely they're looking down the barrell at a choice of AC, Real Madrid or Barcelona!!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 12, 2007, 09:11:25 AM
Carrick, Nani, Anderson, Brown, O'Shea, Fletch & Saha don't get on the storngest UTD team!!
I said I liked Carragher...but nobody in their right mind can say he's better than Ferdinand!
By the way, Evra, Saha, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani & Brown would have got on that pool team last night!
evra for Riise, Brown for Hyypia, Nani for Benayoun, Anderson for Kewell, Saha for Kuyt & Hargreaves for Neil Lennon!
I wouldn't compare Carra and Rio (and certainly wouldn;t swap Carra for Rio). Carra would be more like Vidic or John Terry. Rio is not half the footballer that he should be unless he has this type of player along side him. Since Vidic has settled he has looked more assured, as he knows that Vidic will do the hard, physical work and put his head in the nasty places. Rio brings composure on the ball, pace and reading of the game to the party. If he has to do the other work he can be exposed.
For Carra, Agger is the Rio of the partnership.
As Tintin Said I'm happy with our pair and I'm sure that Manyoo are happy with their lot.
I was in two minds at start of season if we should have went for Tevez or Torres. Any doubts have been blown away. Torres any day.
Masch is equally the footballer that Carrick, Hargreaves or Anderson. Finnan likewise with Neville, Brown or whoever may be RB at united.
Never had any doubt we would win the final 3 games but we will soon see the consequences for f**king about earlier in the group when the draw is made. Milan, Madrid or Barcelona i would imagine, i would take Milan any day of the week the way they are playing now. United will probably get Olympiacos........
Hopefully last night's form can be carried into Sunday. Would be confident of gettin the win but wont be easy.
prediction; Liverpool 2
United 1
1.30 kick off
Raiders target Gerrard's mansion
Steven Gerrard was playing football in Marseille at the time
Steven Gerrard has become the sixth Liverpool football player to be burgled while playing away from home.
The 27-year-old's wife Alex Curran, who was in the property at the time of the incident, was left shaken following the raid in Formby, Merseyside.
Merseyside Police have described the incident on Tuesday night as a "confrontational burglary".
The England star was away playing in the Champions League against Marseille at the time of the incident.
It is not known if the player's children were in the property when the raid took place.
The incident is the latest burglary targeting members of the Liverpool team while they are away playing for the club or on international duty.
Porsche stolen
Three weeks ago, striker Dirk Kuyt's home in Woolton was targeted by thieves while he was away on international duty with Holland.
The Merseyside home of former Liverpool goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek, was raided during the Champions League final penalty shoot-out in June 2006. Current goalkeeper Pepe Reina was also burgled while he played for Liverpool in last May's Champions League semi-final against Chelsea.
His Porsche was taken during the raid and later found burnt-out in west Derby.
Defender Daniel Agger had his home in Caldy, Wirral, burgled in September last year and striker Peter Crouch's house in Alderley Edge was targeted in the same month while he was on England duty.
Quote from: full back on December 12, 2007, 11:52:02 AM
Raiders target Gerrard's mansion
Steven Gerrard was playing football in Marseille at the time
Steven Gerrard has become the sixth Liverpool football player to be burgled while playing away from home.
The 27-year-old's wife Alex Curran, who was in the property at the time of the incident, was left shaken following the raid in Formby, Merseyside.
Merseyside Police have described the incident on Tuesday night as a "confrontational burglary".
The England star was away playing in the Champions League against Marseille at the time of the incident.
It is not known if the player's children were in the property when the raid took place.
The incident is the latest burglary targeting members of the Liverpool team while they are away playing for the club or on international duty.
Porsche stolen
Three weeks ago, striker Dirk Kuyt's home in Woolton was targeted by thieves while he was away on international duty with Holland.
The Merseyside home of former Liverpool goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek, was raided during the Champions League final penalty shoot-out in June 2006. Current goalkeeper Pepe Reina was also burgled while he played for Liverpool in last May's Champions League semi-final against Chelsea.
His Porsche was taken during the raid and later found burnt-out in west Derby.
Defender Daniel Agger had his home in Caldy, Wirral, burgled in September last year and striker Peter Crouch's house in Alderley Edge was targeted in the same month while he was on England duty.
Feckin scummy bluenose feckers!! ;)
Quotegoats ur a madman, only rooney, vidic and ronaldo wud get on the liverpool team, the likes of carrick, hargreaves, nani, anderson, evra, brown, oshea, fletcher and saha wudnt even get in the squad....
As for carragher ur sayn he cant be a gud centre back becuz this wasnt always his position.... if thats the case henry cant be much of a striker, sure he was a winger til arsene tried him upfront!
What a load of cow dung!! Van Der Sar is a better keper for one, although I would like Reina for penalties. You trying to say Scholes wouldn't get into the liverpool team? I can honestly say that the only certs from the pool team that would make Uniteds would be Torres, who looks a class apart. Hargreaves is as good a holding midfielder as there is, while Nani and Anderson have shown glimpses of their talent but take into account their age etc. There is no better raiding right full-back in the Premiership than Neville, and Evra is a great attacking option at left back. Stevie G shines from his little cameos or free kick drives, but there is surely a reason he is played spare or on the right, he simply cannot dominate a midfield the way Keane, Viera or Scholes have done.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about the Liverpool defence, they are consistently one of the best defences in the league and in Europe. Vidic is a good player (don't forget he was a Benitez tagrget first but got outmuscled in the transfer market) but I don't trust Rio Ferdinand. He is always liable to lose concentration, see drogba in the FA Cup final.
Mascherano is easily a better player than Hargreaves, Carrick and Anderson. I think Anderson may become a better player in a few years but he is not as good as Mascherano now. mascherano had kaka in his pocket in last years CL final, he only set up Inzaghi for the 2nd goal after he was taken off. Kaka destroyed Utd twice in the semi-final.
Also, I don't think Liverpool have to anything to fear in AC, Barca or Real. They were better than AC for large parts of that CL final without any cutting edge, we did beat barca over two legs last year and Real could be unplayable or a disaster or anything in between. A lot depends on form and injuries in Feb and March.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 12, 2007, 12:46:20 PM
Quotegoats ur a madman, only rooney, vidic and ronaldo wud get on the liverpool team, the likes of carrick, hargreaves, nani, anderson, evra, brown, oshea, fletcher and saha wudnt even get in the squad....
As for carragher ur sayn he cant be a gud centre back becuz this wasnt always his position.... if thats the case henry cant be much of a striker, sure he was a winger til arsene tried him upfront!
What a load of cow dung!! Van Der Sar is a better keper for one, although I would like Reina for penalties. You trying to say Scholes wouldn't get into the liverpool team? I can honestly say that the only certs from the pool team that would make Uniteds would be Torres, who looks a class apart. Hargreaves is as good a holding midfielder as there is, while Nani and Anderson have shown glimpses of their talent but take into account their age etc. There is no better raiding right full-back in the Premiership than Neville, and Evra is a great attacking option at left back. Stevie G shines from his little cameos or free kick drives, but there is surely a reason he is played spare or on the right, he simply cannot dominate a midfield the way Keane, Viera or Scholes have done.
;D That is your opinion and I respectfully exercise my right to laugh out loud at it and wish you well in your years ahead as a RTE pundit with messers Dunphy and Giles. ::)
Van Der Sar
Neville (when fit, if ever) / Finnan
Carragher
Vidic
Evra
Ronaldo
Gerrard
Scholes
Tevez
Torres
Rooney
I wonder was Alex Curran alone when this burglary took place.....cats away and all that.......
Quote from: full back on December 12, 2007, 01:03:37 PM
Van Der Sar
Neville (when fit, if ever) / Finnan
Carragher
Vidic
Evra
Ronaldo
Gerrard
Scholes
Tevez
Torres
Rooney
for a start you can take Tevez out and throw in big crouchy
Quote from: Abble on December 12, 2007, 01:11:03 PM
for a start you can take Tevez out and throw in big crouchy
Crouch cant even get on the scousers first 11
ffs ::)
reina
Finnan
Carragher
Vidic
(weak position on both teams)
Ronaldo
Gerrard
Macher
???
Torres
Rooney
Lads all this talk of who would get on each others team........One mans piss is another man champagne.....
It's an argument that will go on and on.............and it's absolutely pointless. Sunday will show who the better team is and really that's all that matters.....
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 12, 2007, 09:11:25 AM
Carrick, Nani, Anderson, Brown, O'Shea, Fletch & Saha don't get on the storngest UTD team!!
I said I liked Carragher...but nobody in their right mind can say he's better than Ferdinand!
By the way, Evra, Saha, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani & Brown would have got on that pool team last night!
evra for Riise, Brown for Hyypia, Nani for Benayoun, Anderson for Kewell, Saha for Kuyt & Hargreaves for Neil Lennon!
You're entitled to your opinion.
That is about the kindest thing I can say. :P
Quote from: gawa316 on December 12, 2007, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: full back on December 12, 2007, 11:52:02 AM
Raiders target Gerrard's mansion
Steven Gerrard was playing football in Marseille at the time
Steven Gerrard has become the sixth Liverpool football player to be burgled while playing away from home.
The 27-year-old's wife Alex Curran, who was in the property at the time of the incident, was left shaken following the raid in Formby, Merseyside.
Merseyside Police have described the incident on Tuesday night as a "confrontational burglary".
The England star was away playing in the Champions League against Marseille at the time of the incident.
It is not known if the player's children were in the property when the raid took place.
The incident is the latest burglary targeting members of the Liverpool team while they are away playing for the club or on international duty.
Porsche stolen
Three weeks ago, striker Dirk Kuyt's home in Woolton was targeted by thieves while he was away on international duty with Holland.
The Merseyside home of former Liverpool goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek, was raided during the Champions League final penalty shoot-out in June 2006. Current goalkeeper Pepe Reina was also burgled while he played for Liverpool in last May's Champions League semi-final against Chelsea.
His Porsche was taken during the raid and later found burnt-out in west Derby.
Defender Daniel Agger had his home in Caldy, Wirral, burgled in September last year and striker Peter Crouch's house in Alderley Edge was targeted in the same month while he was on England duty.
Feckin scummy bluenose feckers!! ;)
They only way to stop your house being burgled in Liverpool is to hire Duncan Ferguson as your security guard!
Sunday will give a good indication. I had to laugh at Avrim grant slabbering about how Chelsea have done so well recently in spite of injuries, and how United, Arsenal and Liverpool have done badly while having nearly full teams out. This is the same crap that was spouted last year when they lost Terry and Cech. It seems to be only when Chelsea lose a player or 2 that the media constantly focus on it. Look at United this year, have been without Neville, Silvestre, Scholes, Rooney, Saha, Hargreaves and Carrick.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 12, 2007, 02:02:33 PM
Sunday will give a good indication. I had to laugh at Avrim grant slabbering about how Chelsea have done so well recently in spite of injuries, and how United, Arsenal and Liverpool have done badly while having nearly full teams out. This is the same crap that was spouted last year when they lost Terry and Cech. It seems to be only when Chelsea lose a player or 2 that the media constantly focus on it. Look at United this year, have been without Neville, Silvestre, Scholes, Rooney, Saha, Hargreaves and Carrick.
And Ronaldo (suspension)
QuoteSunday will give a good indication. I had to laugh at Avrim grant slabbering about how Chelsea have done so well recently in spite of injuries, and how United, Arsenal and Liverpool have done badly while having nearly full teams out. This is the same crap that was spouted last year when they lost Terry and Cech. It seems to be only when Chelsea lose a player or 2 that the media constantly focus on it. Look at United this year, have been without Neville, Silvestre, Scholes, Rooney, Saha, Hargreaves and Carrick.
Carvalho, Essien, Ferreria, Bridge, Terry, Ballack, Cech all have missed a fair few games this season! More than a player or two........
Lads the best 11 would be:
Reina
Arbeloa Carragher Vidic Evra
Ronaldo Scholes Gerrard Kewell
Rooney
Torres
That is the best eleven no doubt.
Quote from: corn02 on December 12, 2007, 08:32:02 PM
Lads the best 11 would be:
Reina
Arbeloa Carragher Vidic Evra
Ronaldo Scholes Gerrard Kewell
Rooney
Torres
That is the best eleven no doubt.
Would agree on nearly all that bar Kewell and Arbeloa i would have Finnan anytime ahead of Arbeloa,Christ i might even have Neville ahead of Arbeola...Jesus did i really just say i'd have Neville ahead of someone....I need to lie down before i faint :-[
As for Kewell i think i would have Nani ahead of him too be honest or maybe even Pennant
LL lets not have the Irish bias here, even though he is is Irish as the Queen, but Arbeloa gives better options as an attacking wingback than Finnan. You always know what Finnan is going to do with the ball in advanced positions.
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 12, 2007, 09:12:22 PM
LL lets not have the Irish bias here, even though he is is Irish as the Queen, but Arbeloa gives better options as an attacking wingback than Finnan. You always know what Finnan is going to do with the ball in advanced positions.
Absolutely no Irish bias at all if there was I'd have O'Shea in there too !!
A defender is there to defend first and foremost....Arbeloa can't defend in my opinion and what he might or might not contribute to an attack isn't enough to include him in a best of Man U/Liverpool team or in the Liverpool team at all in my opinion and if it is a attacking full back you want then i also think Aurelio is a better player
Finnan is actually quite productive in attack as well and has many a time sent over a killer cross that the end result was a goal,Crouch's spectacular bicycle kick last year was from a Finnan cross for example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGQwa2EGhF8
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 12, 2007, 09:12:22 PM
LL lets not have the Irish bias here, even though he is is Irish as the Queen, but Arbeloa gives better options as an attacking wingback than Finnan. You always know what Finnan is going to do with the ball in advanced positions.
Steve Finnan was born in the Janesboro area of Limerick City,Ireland so i would reckon he is more Irish than you might think
QuoteArbeloa can't defend in my opinion
I stopped there
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 09:31:24 PM
QuoteArbeloa can't defend in my opinion
I stopped there
Why? Do you not think Arbeola makes his fair share of mistakes? Finnan is as consistent as you will get he is the nearest thing Ireland has had to Denis Irwin and one of the best Liverpool performers over the last 3/4 years
Remind me again of those 2 legs against Barcelona last year?
Remind me of how many kicks Messi got in each game?
Remind me of who was marking him?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 09:36:20 PM
Remind me again of those 2 legs against Barcelona last year?
Remind me of how many kicks Messi got in each game?
Remind me of who was marking him?
Remind me of the mistakes he made in Chelsea Champions League semi final that led to Joe Coles goal
Remind me again of the mistakes he made the following week against Portsmouth that led to more goals against us and a defeat.
He has had numerous dodgy moments in the defense this year when Carra or someone has had to bail him out
You mention one game last year against a Spainish team that he was use to playing against as he had just come from the Spainish League,I personally don't rate him as a Premiership defender..Now if he goes onto score a hat-trick against Man United and makes 3 goal line clearences in the same game that be great as im a Liverpool fan first and want to see all the players play well but so far im not that impressed with him and i do think Aurelio is a better option
Aurelio is a left back.
Arbeloa is a right back/ centre-back
Group Winners
Porto
Chelsea
Real Madrid
Ac Milan
Barcelona
Man United
Inter Milan
Seville
Group Runners Up
Liverpool
Schalke
Olympiacos
Celtic
Lyon
Roma
Fenerbahçe
Arsenal
I don't think we can draw Porto again or any Premiership teams so those in red are the ones we can face..Seville looking like the best draw
Bring any of them on - why should any of them be feared?
It shouldn't matter who we get in the next round because we knew the situation before last night. But you can bet your bottom dollar all those clubs do not want Liverpool more than any other team.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 09:59:42 PM
Aurelio is a left back.
Arbeloa is a right back/ centre-back
You beat me to it, Finnan is in my view one of those "loyal servant" type players that i dont think are good enough week in week out. I think Benitez is beginning to realise players like Finnan/Riise have been there long enough and dont quite cut it against the top teams.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 10:03:04 PM
Bring any of them on - why should any of them be feared?
I agree Liverpool are capable of beating any of them
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 09:59:42 PM
Aurelio is a left back.
Arbeloa is a right back/ centre-back
Yes but Arbeola has played on the left on the few occasions Finnan and Arbeola both start...What i was getting at was i think Finnan and Aurelio should be the first choice left/right backs,all a matter of opinion i suppose but as i said before i don't care who plays once they play well and if Arbeloa has a stormer on sunday then great as it's the team results that matter at the end of the day
QuoteYes but Arbeola has played on the left on the few occasions Finnan and Arbeola both start.
there you go - he's more versatile than Finnan :D :D :D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 10:16:02 PM
QuoteYes but Arbeola has played on the left on the few occasions Finnan and Arbeola both start.
there you go - he's more versatile than Finnan :D :D :D
Yeah but Finnans a better defender ;)
QuoteCarvalho, Essien, Ferreria, Bridge, Terry, Ballack, Cech all have missed a fair few games this season! More than a player or two........
True, but United have been missing more players throughout the season, yet how often do you hear Fergie nyamming or even journalists mentioning it. Grant is starting to take a leaf out of Mourinhos book now and moan about injuries whenever other teams have the same or worse situation yet get on with it.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 13, 2007, 09:58:53 AM
QuoteCarvalho, Essien, Ferreria, Bridge, Terry, Ballack, Cech all have missed a fair few games this season! More than a player or two........
True, but United have been missing more players throughout the season, yet how often do you hear Fergie nyamming or even journalists mentioning it. Grant is starting to take a leaf out of Mourinhos book now and moan about injuries whenever other teams have the same or worse situation yet get on with it.
I know you would never get Fergie yapping or whinging........
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 13, 2007, 09:58:53 AM
QuoteCarvalho, Essien, Ferreria, Bridge, Terry, Ballack, Cech all have missed a fair few games this season! More than a player or two........
True, but United have been missing more players throughout the season, yet how often do you hear Fergie nyamming or even journalists mentioning it. Grant is starting to take a leaf out of Mourinhos book now and moan about injuries whenever other teams have the same or worse situation yet get on with it.
It's all about the managers approach to pyschology, and Fergie is the king of 'the world hates us' approach. Sure bar Sunday night, when's the last time he talked to the BBC?
Anyone got shares in the steel industry? I wouldnt be getting your hopes up on a big dividend next year if reports are true....
Quote from: An Fear Rua on December 15, 2007, 02:39:39 PM
Anyone got shares in the steel industry? I wouldnt be getting your hopes up on a big dividend next year if reports are true....
Whats the story an fear Rua ?
new super dooper stadium is off, they cant afford it(hicks & Gillette)
instead there will be a "revised version" , which could possibly be along the style of the Sunderland, Derby, Boro, Southanpton etc bowls...
I think the phrase is "value engineering".
as if by magic
Following press speculation on Saturday morning concerning Liverpool's new stadium in Stanley Park, Rick Parry today said: 'We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design'
Chief Executive Rick Parry told liverpoolfc.tv: "We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club.
"It will have a capacity of around 70,000, be higher quality and have a substantially increased Kop which will form the centrepiece of the new plans.
"Ever since the original designs were unveiled, we have been continuously revising and refining with the intention of delivering the best possible solution to our future needs.
"The situation in the credit markets has not affected our design, programme, or implementation of building our new stadium. The priority has always been to build a winning team on the pitch and everything else we do is geared towards that."
this wasnt brought to you by carrier pigeons flying south..
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 08, 2007, 08:31:28 PM
Quote from: Stalin on December 08, 2007, 08:12:22 PM
Who proclaimed him as the messiah? Must have missed that one ::)
http://forums.lfconline.com/photopost/data/507/medium/PICT0012.JPG (http://forums.lfconline.com/photopost/data/507/medium/PICT0012.JPG)
2nd Dec...to me that's messiahish worshiping!
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8753/jesusrafazj1.jpg)
Very good TRL... :D
The two United central-midfielders are sitting on front of the back-four and cleaning up everything. I can't see Liverpool scoring from open-play, unless they up the tempo a bit more, but given the way passes are going astray so far, I don't see that having much of an effect anyway. United will probably hit them on the break and get another.
Kewell is not having much of an effect and is constantly losing or giving the ball away. They may need a change there. Benayoun as well - he's not contributing much, while Evra is getting far too much of the ball. Sooner or later he's going to get a good cross in. Maybe get Lucas on and move Gerrard out wide.
L'pool far the better team but 1 down. That's life. Have get on with it in the second half. Van Der Saar is having a nightmare but we need to take the chances he is givin us. I'll still go for 2-1 to the reds.
PS. Kewell is simply not good enough. You'd hardly know he was on.
van der sar is having something of a shocker and has been bailed out on two occasions already.
need to ensure he is worked more in the second half.
Kewell off for babel? Another puzzler from Benitez!
What a sickener. They didn't even have to play well to win. Excuse me while I go away to block out the world
Went pretty much as all the recent games at Anfield has gone - United sit back, stay tight, do little or nothing offensively, but take their chance when it comes. Liverpool have all of the possession, plenty of effort and commitment, but huff and puff and create little or nothing (apart from the chances van der Sar presented them with), and fall asleep to give United their chance. The gap in class is still there - United won without having to play anywhere near their best. Their two central midfielders were awesome.
I really would like to see lucas getting a bit more game time in the team. Mascherano is hit and miss for me and the less said about momo the better.
Quote from: Puckoon on December 16, 2007, 02:59:39 PM
Kewell off for babel? Another puzzler from Benitez!
Kewell was f**king rubbish out there today
Was Gerrard even playing?
Quote from: nifan on December 16, 2007, 03:45:38 PM
I really would like to see lucas getting a bit more game time in the team. Mascherano is hit and miss for me and the less said about momo the better.
I thought Mascherano was one of our better players! Lucas has looked decent though - I would liked to have seen him given a run for the last 20 and Gerrard moved out wide in place of Benayoun.
A shocking game..
Whats the point of paying 30m for a striker when you play like wimbledon. Vidic and Rio will clear the ball away all day when its humped into the box.
QuoteTheir two central midfielders were awesome.
No they were made look good by a brainless midfield performance by Pool
Cant see Rafa surviving after that performance and no loss if thats the style of play we have to look forward to
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 16, 2007, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 16, 2007, 02:59:39 PM
Kewell off for babel? Another puzzler from Benitez!
Kewell was f**king rubbish out there today
Was Gerrard even playing?
Kewell is RUBBISH every day. How they justify paying him is beyond me.
How the f**k do you work out Kewell is rubbish every day? He has been in great form since he has returned from injury, one poor performance and you all jump on his back. And yes, Gerrard was playing today. Quiet enough game offensively but he tried hard, put in a good few tackles and tracked back well, better than he normally does.
In a game as frenetic as todays, its going to be hard for anyone to impose themself on the game. Had liverpool managed to score first (which we were unlucky not to do), we would probably ahve sat back with everyone behind the ball and saw the game out 1-0.
We played extremely well defensively today, restricting an attacking unit as good and fluent as United's to one chance from open play is no mean feat.
But sure y'all go and jump on the bandwagon and slag off some easy target. Kewell maybe? Rafa? Just make sure you dont come up with any independent thoughts.
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 16, 2007, 04:11:15 PM
A shocking game..
Whats the point of paying 30m for a striker when you play like wimbledon. Vidic and Rio will clear the ball away all day when its humped into the box.
QuoteTheir two central midfielders were awesome.
No they were made look good by a brainless midfield performance by Pool
Cant see Rafa surviving after that performance and no loss if thats the style of play we have to look forward to
Who paid 30m for a striker?
No it is doom merchants like you that slate Rafa on internet forums and have the cheek to slate a fellow supporter for sticking up for our manager and a much maligned player that is the problem with SOME so called fans. To say we won the CL in spite of Rafa discredits anything else you say
QuoteWho paid 30m for a striker?
We did.. torres.. 26.5 but whos counting.
Playing like we did today renders whoever you have upfront sterile..
Torres' strength isnt in the air so why persist launching scuds up to him
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 16, 2007, 04:11:15 PM
A shocking game..
Whats the point of paying 30m for a striker when you play like wimbledon. Vidic and Rio will clear the ball away all day when its humped into the box.
QuoteTheir two central midfielders were awesome.
No they were made look good by a brainless midfield performance by Pool
Cant see Rafa surviving after that performance and no loss if thats the style of play we have to look forward to
Or maybe the midfield performance look poor because of the pressure the United players were putting Liverpool under, sitting back and quickly closing everything down whenever Liverpool got into the final third?
United were camped on the edge of their box for most of the second half. Liverpool tried to work it down the wings, but between the numbers United had in the box and the aerial ability of their defenders, there just wasn't any space in there, even when they did manage to put a ball across. Even Arsenal would have struggled to create space in that United backline today.
None of us complained when Liverpool won a few at Old Trafford under Houllier using the exact same tactics. Give credit where its due.
Benitez isn't going anywhere. Who are they going to get to replace him? Mourinho? Do you think he'll be keen when he's told that money is going to be relatively scarce?
I'm not saying that they should be endlessly patient with Benitez, but the club is plainly in far better shape than it was when Houllier left. Its unfortunate that Chelsea have become a powerhouse since then and that United and Arsenal have also raised their game, but that's the way it goes. I just hope the owners are a bit more patient and realistic than the fans who venerate him one week then call for his instant dismissal after every setback.
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 16, 2007, 04:35:19 PM
QuoteWho paid 30m for a striker?
We did.. torres.. 26.5 but whos counting.
Playing like we did today renders whoever you have upfront sterile..
Torres' strength isnt in the air so why persist launching scuds up to him
How would you have played the game, tactically, then? Would you have asked United to move their back line up the field a bit, and lose the two midfielders in front of their back four, just to give Torres a bit of space to attack and through which Gerrard could play some passes?
WTF? ???
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8753/jesusrafazj1.jpg)
You were raised on a diet of league success? When the teams 'back in the day' lost a game, did you jump on their backs then and start slating all the players then? Surely a fan as loyal as yourself wouldnt have been up to such shenanigans.
What do you mean we managed to win the CL 'in spite' of Rafa? Is this some revisionist bullshit theory that Rafa was not the main reason behind the CL victory? Was it players the quality of Traore, Sinama Pongolle, Mellor, Nunez, Baros etc that won it for us?
Rafa is our most successful, and best qualified manager since Kenny Dalglish. He doesnt have what it takes to win the PL? I guess those skills that saw him take Valencia to La Liga arent transferrable.
On todays performance we are no closer...-Yeah, Utd really outclassed us in every department today. They created so many chances that we just didnt know what to do. Ronaldo, widely acclaimed as the best player in the world, really tore us apart, didnt he?
Of course im disappointed at losing what was a mustwin game but knee-jerk reactions such as your own are such a load of shite. The truth of todays game that there was nothing to choose between the two sides. It was a scrappy, fast paced encounter in which no side can truly say they dominated.
QuoteMaybe the odd cup success is ok for people like yourself and your soccer am attitude, but I was raised on a diet of League success.
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Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2007, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 16, 2007, 04:11:15 PM
A shocking game..
Whats the point of paying 30m for a striker when you play like wimbledon. Vidic and Rio will clear the ball away all day when its humped into the box.
QuoteTheir two central midfielders were awesome.
No they were made look good by a brainless midfield performance by Pool
Cant see Rafa surviving after that performance and no loss if thats the style of play we have to look forward to
Or maybe the midfield performance look poor because of the pressure the United players were putting Liverpool under, sitting back and quickly closing everything down whenever Liverpool got into the final third?
United were camped on the edge of their box for most of the second half. Liverpool tried to work it down the wings, but between the numbers United had in the box and the aerial ability of their defenders, there just wasn't any space in there, even when they did manage to put a ball across. Even Arsenal would have struggled to create space in that United backline today.
None of us complained when Liverpool won a few at Old Trafford under Houllier using the exact same tactics. Give credit where its due.
Benitez isn't going anywhere. Who are they going to get to replace him? Mourinho? Do you think he'll be keen when he's told that money is going to be relatively scarce?
I'm not saying that they should be endlessly patient with Benitez, but the club is plainly in far better shape than it was when Houllier left. Its unfortunate that Chelsea have become a powerhouse since then and that United and Arsenal have also raised their game, but that's the way it goes. I just hope the owners are a bit more patient and realistic than the fans who venerate him one week then call for his instant dismissal after every setback.
Good to see a bit of reasoned sense being talked on here amongst the shite. J70 you will probably be castigated for your 'soccer am' attitude now. 5times was raised on a diet of league success, dontchaknow, and because of supporters like us we are 'mediocre.'
Cos 2 CL Finals in 3 seasons is the very defiinition of mediocrity, or didnt you know? :-\
J70 we made it easy for united. We were playing at home and we didnt get our midfield on the ball, winning 50/50 balls, crisp passing, 1-2s round them. get the wingers into the game and stretch their defence and create space. Sweet jesus Brown Anderson and Hargreves were part of that awesome immovable force you speak about.
What did we do. Long balls up field. Just cause Van der sar dropped a few did we think he might keep doing it..
Was there no plan B?
Once Utd seen that all we had was the long ball of course they were going to set themselves up the way they finished the game.
I for one am not happy with the style of play and its down to Rafa. Its lazy and brainless and while it may win once off cup games it wouldnt come with an asses roar of the premiership. With trips to Utd CFC and arsenal still to come we are looking at being 20 points off the pace again this year come May.
I think you'll find we were much the better side against Milan, 'probably the best club side in the world' last year. Who would you have played instead of Zenden? Incase you hadnt noticed we werent exactly overwhelmed with quality players in LM last year. But im sure your managerial CV is more impressive than Rafas, you seem to think you know much better than him anyway.
You obviously are a plastic. 'Genuine' supporters dont come on internet messageboard and start criticising our players and manager, given any excuse. Congratulations on being rich enough to be able to afford season tickets. Maybe after my student days are behind me Ill be able to get one too, and be as 'genuine' a fan as yourself.
A settled team to win the league-yeah tell that to Mourinho, Fergie and Wenger. You dont have a clue, do you?
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 16, 2007, 05:00:18 PM
J70 we made it easy for united. We were playing at home and we didnt get our midfield on the ball, winning 50/50 balls, crisp passing, 1-2s round them. get the wingers into the game and stretch their defence and create space. Sweet jesus Brown Anderson and Hargreves were part of that awesome immovable force you speak about.
What did we do. Long balls up field. Just cause Van der sar dropped a few did we think he might keep doing it..
Was there no plan B?
Once Utd seen that all we had was the long ball of course they were going to set themselves up the way they finished the game.
I for one am not happy with the style of play and its down to Rafa. Its lazy and brainless and while it may win once off cup games it wouldnt come with an asses roar of the premiership. With trips to Utd CFC and arsenal still to come we are looking at being 20 points off the pace again this year come May.
sure kewells shite, no point giving the ball to him. seriously, when utd are defending in numbers it is incredibly hard to get wingers to find the space needed to get to byline and get a meaningful ball in. they stifled the life out of us. when a defensive unit as good as that sits and defends it is going to be extremely hard fo anyone to unlock them.
whats this style of play youre unhappy with? whats lazy and brainless about it?
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 16, 2007, 05:00:18 PM
J70 we made it easy for united. We were playing at home and we didnt get our midfield on the ball, winning 50/50 balls, crisp passing, 1-2s round them. get the wingers into the game and stretch their defence and create space. Sweet jesus Brown Anderson and Hargreves were part of that awesome immovable force you speak about.
What did we do. Long balls up field. Just cause Van der sar dropped a few did we think he might keep doing it..
Was there no plan B?
Once Utd seen that all we had was the long ball of course they were going to set themselves up the way they finished the game.
I for one am not happy with the style of play and its down to Rafa. Its lazy and brainless and while it may win once off cup games it wouldnt come with an asses roar of the premiership. With trips to Utd CFC and arsenal still to come we are looking at being 20 points off the pace again this year come May.
If you're unhappy with the style of play, fair enough. Who am I to tell you you're wrong?
However, it was clear from a very early stage today that Liverpool weren't going to pass the ball around United. Sure, they tried it, but balls kept going astray or being cut out by United's defense/midfield. How many times did Kewell lose it, either being outmuscled, outnumbered or by giving a pass away? It certainly looked like Liverpool were doing their best to get him and Benayoun in the game to me.
And I'm not sure what game you were watching if you think Liverpool weren't competing for 50/50 balls. They won a succession of tackles, particularly throughout the second half, as United tried to clear their lines, after which Liverpool generally tried to work the ball onto the wings. The problem was that the crosses were going into areas packed with players and dominated by the likes of Ferdinand and Vidic.
One other thing - this was the exact same lineup that was lauded for their performance in Marseille. Had he changed it and still lost, the screaming about rotation would now be drowning out all other criticisms of things like formations and tactics!
Torres came to Liverpool with a good scoring record but with a reputation as a big game choker. He vanished when up against Real or Barca in Spain and his debut against ManU did him no favours. He looked like a conference player. His first touch today was the worst I've seen for some time.
I cannot believe so many of you think Kewell is Shiite, this really annoys me, i mean, are you guys watching a different Kewell than me. Liverpools biggest problem, which once again was exposed today, is natural width. Kewell is the only natural winger we have. Benynoun & Babbel whilst good players on their day are not natural wingers. Both players are inclined to cut into the middle when running with the ball as opposed to getting down the byline and whipping in a good meaningful cross. When Kewell has had possession of the ball in the last few games, i think he has looked the most likely to create something.
The same goes for Arbeloa, i dont not see how this man starts over Finnan (think he is back from injury). Again as a right back, Arbeloa tends to cut into the middle instead of staying out wide. This is what makes Finnan so good, he supports the attack and keeps the thing wide and most of all, he puts good crosses into the danger area, Please take note John Arne Riise who should be riding pine in my opinion as he has offered absolutely nothing this season.
He scored great goals against Chelsea and Marseille and has a couple of beauties against Barca to be proud of. He was well marshalled by Utd today. More a case of that than him not playing well I would say.
5times you are very arrogant, you claim to watch alot of matches and to have formed your opinion from this. Strangely enough it is predominantly reactionary posters on internet forums who spout the sort of lazy drivel you are coming out with, I have never heard any liverpool fan whose opinion I respect advocating sacking Rafa . Do you think you are the only supporter who wants the league ::). You chastise other posters who have shown something your posts have lacked, passion and loyalty.
I suppose you also decided all by yourself that Rotation and zonal marking are to blame :P
Quote from: Over the Bar on December 16, 2007, 05:35:13 PM
Torres came to Liverpool with a good scoring record but with a reputation as a big game choker. He vanished when up against Real or Barca in Spain and his debut against ManU did him no favours. He looked like a conference player. His first touch today was the worst I've seen for some time.
That's funny - he scored a marvellous goal against Chelsea, and (according to an article in the London Times today) has an excellent record against Barcelona.
But, if the standard of the debate is judging a player on select games, including today's, lets talk about Cristiano Ronaldo...
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on December 16, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
I cannot believe so many of you think Kewell is Shiite, this really annoys me, i mean, are you guys watching a different Kewell than me. Liverpools biggest problem, which once again was exposed today, is natural width. Kewell is the only natural winger we have. Benynoun & Babbel whilst good players on their day are not natural wingers. Both players are inclined to cut into the middle when running with the ball as opposed to getting down the byline and whipping in a good meaningful cross. When Kewell has had possession of the ball in the last few games, i think he has looked the most likely to create something.
The same goes for Arbeloa, i dont not see how this man starts over Finnan (think he is back from injury). Again as a right back, Arbeloa tends to cut into the middle instead of staying out wide. This is what makes Finnan so good, he supports the attack and keeps the thing wide and most of all, he puts good crosses into the danger area, Please take note John Arne Riise who should be riding pine in my opinion as he has offered absolutely nothing this season.
When Arbeloa first came back into the team from injury earlier in the season he was great at joining the attack and getting to the byline. In recent games he has not, for whatever reason. i think he tried today but found it difficult. I get frustrated by Finnan when he attacks, but a lot of others seem to think he does well. Did i reas somewhere that Finnan had large no of assists last season?
Id like to see Aurelio start before Riise. Kewell gave a great ball into Gerrard at one stage today, took some vision to pick out that ball. Kewell is really busting a gut this year and performing well.
Torres v Barca
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iZZH_aGDhg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1hnuGxXXK-s&feature=related
v Real
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y4Iv6KGL8vQ
Bottler indeed :-[
Id drop riise before kewell on todays performance
As i said before id like to have seen Lucas come on - he looks to have a pass which we could have done with today.
I didnt think kewell was that bad, ultimately I could care less as long as arsenal hold on here at the emirates.
Quotewhats this style of play youre unhappy with? whats lazy and brainless about it?
Honestly are you happy that a team of liverpools stature playing at home resorts to aerial bombardment for a whole 2nd half.
Thats caveman football.. Wigan Birmingham Tranmere Rovers stuff
Pool pride themselves on being up there with best in Europe.
Do Barca do it? Or Milan? Do they hell.
Utd themselves when faced by a defensive wall continue to pass the ball keep possession and probe for openings.
The chances will eventually come.
As a defender when you are being dragged all over the place with slick passing watching for runners you have to be on high alert and mistakes more than likely creep in late in a game.
What Vidic and Rio had to do today did not require the same level of skill/alertness.
Wait for liverpool to land the ball on their heads, Hargreaves will clean up and get back into position and wait for the next scud missile
That is the brainless tactics we employed.
Sorry if we disagree on this lads, we all want that title but it aint gonna happen under this regime or tactics.
Quote from: Over the Bar on December 16, 2007, 05:35:13 PM
Torres came to Liverpool with a good scoring record but with a reputation as a big game choker. He vanished when up against Real or Barca in Spain and his debut against ManU did him no favours. He looked like a conference player. His first touch today was the worst I've seen for some time.
He didn't choke today. Once Man U scored they just got everyone behind the ball and there was very little room for anyone around their penalty box and the service into him wasn't much use anyway. Sometimes it just goes like that.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 16, 2007, 06:35:10 PM
For those singing Harry Kewells praises, I have only one thing to say, He is a choker, he walked off against Milan in Istanbul when we looked dead and buried with a myseterious injury. I was one of the lucky fans who stood up and sang YNWA at half time when we were 3-0 down. Rafa heard us, Stevie G heard us and you know the rest. If you watch the final penalty that Dudek saves, Kewell was the first man to sprint down the field and celebrate, where was his injury then. He has played far to few games for Liverpool, in fact I think he came to Liverpool a few years too late, he would have been a perfect Spice Boy. He is a s famous for being married to some actress from Emerdale as he is for playing football, enough said.
According to Steven Gerrard's autobiogrpahy, Kewell's injury in Istanbul was genuine (apparently his groin had swollen up to the size of a tennis ball by half-time!). Maybe Gerrard was protecting Kewell, but I've not heard anyone else from within the club say it wasn't legit.
First of all >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
In John Lennon airport at the moment lads and i ain't happy,I was sitting in the Anfield RD end today above the United fans...
I've read all the comments posted thus far and i agree with a bit of what everyone says...
My opinion on the game is...
I think ye are being overly harsh on Kewell,he was no worse than anyone else today..Riise wasn't on his game or hasn't been for ages,Carra and Hyypia done ok but hadn't much too do.
I though Arbeola was awful..I can't remember one pass he made that wasn't misplaced he didn't deliver any crosses and Evra was skinning him on every occasion that United went down the left in the first half
Gerrard done his best as did Masherano..Benayoun didn't really impress me,Kuyt huffed and puffed but i would have brought Crouch on at half time
I think calling Torres a choker in big games is a funny statement,Right he didn't play at all well today and his touch was all over the place but that was more down to United having 3 players around him everytime he got the ball..
I'm with 5ive Times on that i don't think Benitez is going to deliver the title to Anfield,I appreciate he is a great manager and all that and i am not jumping on any bandwagon as i have voiced my concerns over this before..
There was a report in a Liverpool paper today that Jurgen Klinsman might be lined up for Liverpool job has anyone else heard this?
United far from outclassed Liverpool today but what does that matter they won and at the end of the day thats all that matters, they know how to win against the bigger teams Liverpool just can't seem to win these big games on a regular basis like Arsenal,Chelsea and United can..We looked void of any ideas of how to break down United
I did think Babel played well when he came on and i haven't been his biggest fan but he looked bright,Also i do think Lucas should be getting more of a run in the team
Anyways i have a plane to catch i'll leave ye to argue among yourselves :)
QuoteRafa is our most successful, and best qualified manager since Kenny Dalglish.
You aren't measuring him against much!
Ruud Gullit said after the game, and i agree, that we are missing creativity in the midfield area. When we go a goal down like today could anyone see us scoring ?, the plan seemed to be to get the ball out left to Riise and cross in for Vidic & Ferdinand to head away. It was brutal. All this talk about Kewell, my opinion is this. He has been at the club for a fair legth of time and has delivered nothing consistentley, you get the odd flash and everyone thinks he has turned the corner but it is patently abvious his best days are behind him. We will not reach the level of United with Kewell or Kuyt, Riise in the team. That is the league over for another year.
Here, have a few happy faces to cheer you lot up after today. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 16, 2007, 09:04:53 PM
Here, have a few happy faces to cheer you lot up after today. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You should have your own show.
A rather short and vague press statement from the club this evening:
Liverpool FC issued the following press statement on Sunday night.
A meeting was held this evening involving Tom Hicks, George Gillett, Foster Gillett, Rick Parry and Rafa Benitez which was wide ranging and positive.
The discussions were amicable and constructive. All those present are united in their desire to bring further success to the club.
Rio made torres look like a little boy ;)
Yous can cry and whine about having more shots and possession than us but at the end of the day we walked out of anfield with 3 points again
I love it when we beat yous LOVE IT :-* :-* :-* :-*
Quote from: new devil on December 17, 2007, 01:07:17 AM
Rio made torres look like a little boy ;)
Yous can cry and whine about having more shots and possession than us but at the end of the day we walked out of anfield with 3 points again
I love it when we beat yous LOVE IT :-* :-* :-* :-*
Outstanding contribution as always new devil.
Who is crying about having more shots and possession? Just about everyone here agrees that Liverpool can have few complaints about the result.
Very frustrating today lads and I find it hard to disagree with most of the comments here. Personally I think we are missing a lote of top class players - in most positions. I mean the likes of Riise (who hasn't played well this year), Arbeloa, Yossi, Sissoko, Kewell, Kuyt etc are basically average players. I mean, apart from Torres, when was the last time Liverpool bought a big name player who actually done well? We had Cisse, Kewell etc but they never performed at Liverpool. And then we seem to continually sign unproven, obscure players who never make any sort of impact. Although we have shown glimpses at stages this season, I really can't see us winning any silverware. We just don;t have the class to unlock teams (especially the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Utd.) week in week out.
Finally how much longer can Benitez look at Kuyt? As far as I am concerned he is useless and a lot of my Liverpool mates share the same view. Granted he works very hard and will hassle and harry but that'll only get you so far. Again a complete lack of class >:(
Steve Gerrard Gerrard
He kisses the badge on his chest
He puts in a transfer request
Steve Gerrard Gerrard
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John O'Shea is magic
He wears a magic hat
And when he saw the ball drop
He said I fancy that
He didn't hit the bar or post even though he's shite
Instead he hit the back of the net cos we're f**king dynamite.
20 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Lads,
Just a pre-emptive note here. Can we make sure that all slagging remains good natured? The Liverpool and Man Utd threads have been grand for the past while, and are very popular. Let's not ruin it because some of us are sickened, and some of us are on a high.
Cheers
Stalin, I've edited that personal abuse. There's no need for it, and whatever about trying to make sure the banter between LFC and MUFC fans stays above board, there's no future in this thread if disagreeing fans of the same teams heap personal abuse on each other. No more of it please.
Cheers
Alright lads...calm down, calm down, (in a scouse accent) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
And now its down to 3... ;D ;D ;D
Fergie got it spot on with his tactic yesterday, in the end it was like watching England aginst Croatia at the end, constant launch of high balls into the box - meat to the bears for messrs Ferdinand and Vidic. It is clear that Liverpool havent got the quality, the like or Riise who will always try and take the ball to his left, its embarrasing to watch a player getting probably £80k who cant kick a ball with 2 feet. As for Stevie G, he again shows his class - well, he probably will next week or whatever when Liverpool are playing Derby or Sunderland or whoever!!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 17, 2007, 09:46:10 AM
Fergie got it spot on with his tactic yesterday, in the end it was like watching England aginst Croatia at the end, constant launch of high balls into the box - meat to the bears for messrs Ferdinand and Vidic. It is clear that Liverpool havent got the quality, the like or Riise who will always try and take the ball to his left, its embarrasing to watch a player getting probably £80k who cant kick a ball with 2 feet. As for Stevie G, he again shows his class - well, he probably will next week or whatever when Liverpool are playing Derby or Sunderland or whoever!!! ;D ;D ;D
Riise in on about 32K a week. Still a lot but nowhere near 80K.
Gerrard I felt played well defensively. Made a number of important interceptions and tackles but wasn't playing forward enough for my liking. He was certainly in the game more than Ronaldo and Giggs were but then again it wasn't really a day for wide men.
We can't complain about Ferguson's tactics anyway. We did the same when we went to Old Trafford under Houllier and won 3 on the trot there. Keep it tight at the back, get men behind the ball and hope you nick something from a set piece or a mistake.
Since Rafa has been in charge, against the top 3 sides (Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd), there has been a total of 63 points up for grabs, Liverpool have just claimed 15 of those points.
At the end of the day, if you want to be champions you must be winning in games like this against the big teams. We could have played for 5 hours yesterday against United and we still would not looked like scoring. Most disappointing for me was the lack of pace and urgency we played with. Build up play is far far to slow, we never went at the united defence with any pace. When Babbel came on he looked a little dangerous as he injected some speed into the play. Also, why i have defended Kewell in the past is because he is willing to attack players.
Was looking to get tickets for my brother as a Christmas present to a Liverpool home game as he's a big fan, but my jaw dropped upon seeing the prices for tickets. Even for games against useless opposition they were way above £100 for one ticket. Am i looking in the wrong place or what. Thats f**king extortionate. I dont know if soccer fans are dedicated followers or idiots to pay those prices
That's madness Juice. You must have been checking the touts' sites or something. The last time I was over a Kop ticket was £35.
Ah well, what can you say :D :D
Once the opposition argue among themselves, you know the end is nigh!!
Poor game yesterday, but all that matters as someone said is the result. WTF was Benitez at with tactics like that yesterday? Lumping the ball forward and hoping something would happen. It just played into Utd's hands. Why the fcuk have Torres standing up front if you wont pass it to his feet?
Although the pool dominated they had no cutting edge whatsoever.Once the goal went in it was route 1 everytime.
To be fair, the pool will not win the EPL when they start with Kewell, Kuyt & Benayoun in one of the big games.These players are simply not good enough for a club like Liverpool, if they are to have aspirations of winning the EPL. Do you think these players would come close to starting for any of the other big 3? I doubt it.
BTW, Babel played well when introduced & perhaps shpould have been on earlier
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 17, 2007, 09:46:10 AM
As for Stevie G, he again shows his class - well, he probably will next week or whatever when Liverpool are playing Derby or Sunderland or whoever!!! ;D ;D ;D
Stunning performance yesterday from Ronaldo too.
Barney et al are counting their chickens quite early, still along way to go. And for the 20 more years Barney my maths is not good but 18 plus 5 > 16 and 2?
Regarding Kewells injury, it was genuine and the club made him look a **** when it was not needed. You do not get surgery on a 'fake injury'.
Regarding yesterdays match we just lacked spark. As much as I hate him I though Riise was very very good. The team line out was good, the mood was good. It just did not click. Lots of hustle and bustle but no spark. Rio and Vidic were superb as were Heargreaves and Anderson. Regarding Gerrard I though he done ok nothing special but one tracking tackle on Anderson sticks out. It is dissapointing when we can not beat them even with Ronalso and Rooney having stinkers, not a good sign.
We are creating a team capable of winnin the league but we are not there yet. Central defender, Winger and striker needed. We will probably win the Champions League this year, I think we need too.
Staggering Statistic from the BBC
Liverpool have suffered more Premier League defeats to Manchester United
than any other club (16), and conceded more Premier League goals against
them than to any other side (44).
Think about how many sh*te sides there have been in the Premiership?
Now realise that *no one* has done worse against United than Liverpool.
Are you sure that's what it's saying under the bar? I thought it was that Liverpool has lost more to Man Utd than they have to any other side.
Quote from: under the bar on December 17, 2007, 01:54:47 PM
Staggering Statistic from the BBC
Liverpool have suffered more Premier League defeats to Manchester United
than any other club (16), and conceded more Premier League goals against
them than to any other side (44).
Think about how many sh*te sides there have been in the Premiership?
Now realise that *no one* has done worse against United than Liverpool.
You need to rethink this utb ???
Don't whinge at me....but just been sent this one. Hopefully it's not a Noah.
Coppers arrive at Gerrard's gaff to interview him:
"I swear officer, there were 6 Premiership medals in the cabinet"
"Come on Mr Gerrard, you're a good player, but you're no Phil Neville"
Quote from: EC Unique on December 17, 2007, 09:39:00 AM
Alright lads...calm down, calm down, (in a scouse accent) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
And now its down to 3... ;D ;D ;D
How is it down too 3? If Liverpool win their game in hand they are a point behind Chelsea so if anything it's down too 2 and even at that i think it's a little early too be ruling any of the big 4 out of it
rumour in the daily telegraph that Martin O Neill is being lined up to replace Benitez...
Norf Tyrone that again is brutal. Once again you post a shit scouse joke, come on man get some decent ones at least.
Quote from: heganboy on December 17, 2007, 03:10:24 PM
rumour in the daily telegraph that Martin O Neill is being lined up to replace Benitez...
A local paper in Liverpool yesterday had it that Jurgen Klinsman was being lined up..
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 17, 2007, 11:54:10 AM
That's madness Juice. You must have been checking the touts' sites or something. The last time I was over a Kop ticket was £35.
Checked on Offical Liverpool site, needed to buy a loyalty card of sorts, anyone here have one of those, is it much hassle to get and could i get one in my brothers name. and would it take ages before it could be used to get decent tickets. Aiming for perhaps the game vs Newcastle in March
Quote from: thejuice on December 17, 2007, 11:46:16 AM
Was looking to get tickets for my brother as a Christmas present to a Liverpool home game as he's a big fan, but my jaw dropped upon seeing the prices for tickets. Even for games against useless opposition they were way above £100 for one ticket. Am i looking in the wrong place or what. Thats f**king extortionate. I dont know if soccer fans are dedicated followers or idiots to pay those prices
Send 5ive times a PM, he has a couple of season tickets and if he or his nephews are not using them that weekend he may be able to accomodate you.
Juice if you keep an eye on the papers ie Sunday World etc you should get a package deal inc Flights,Accommodation which is usually two nights and match ticket for around €350 for a match against the likes of Bolton,Wigan etc but expect to pay more for the bigger matches..Below is a link to the company i use when i go to Anfield,I have been using them for a while now and have never had any problems with them
http://www.celtichorizontours.com/celtichorizon/Main/Category-2006.asp?iCategoryID=12
Quote from: under the bar on December 17, 2007, 01:54:47 PM
Staggering Statistic from the BBC
Liverpool have suffered more Premier League defeats to Manchester United
than any other club (16), and conceded more Premier League goals against
them than to any other side (44).
Think about how many sh*te sides there have been in the Premiership?
Now realise that *no one* has done worse against United than Liverpool.
yeah but Since its inaugural first term back in 1992, only seven teams have played in all fourteen seasons of the English premiership. These teams are Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Tottenham Hotspur and Everton. That makes 5 teams that Man u could have met as often as Liverpool, so you will have such a record....the other teams that Man u would take year in year out are relegated and cannot be played consistently.
Juice get a few fancards. If you get them by the time of the Newcastle sale you will have as much chance as anyone. You will just have to get onto the online sales at about 6 50 on the morning of the sale. Rember its one ticket for fancard online so get a few. £3.50 for life, excellent value I have got about 20 tickets of it over the last 2 seasons.
Quote from: corn02 on December 17, 2007, 03:11:19 PM
Norf Tyrone that again is brutal. Once again you post a shit scouse joke, come on man get some decent ones at least.
I'll leave it to others for the oh so obvious punchline to that!
Humour me....
Quote from: Deal_Me_In on December 17, 2007, 03:26:20 PM
Send 5ive times a PM, he has a couple of season tickets and if he or his nephews are not using them that weekend he may be able to accomodate you.
Is 5times still on here, or did he get the boot from the mods. Might get him a fancard, although it'll never arrive on time. just have to get him something else as well.
QuoteA local paper in Liverpool yesterday had it that Jurgen Klinsman was being lined up..
You might as well pick Joe Kernan as replacement as you get twice the fatness for your money plus a ready made training camp at Joe's villa in La Manga!! ;)
Match ratings from the Guardian today for those interested.
Monday December 17, 2007
The Guardian
Reina - 6 - The goalkeeper must feel his defenders badly let him down at the decisive moment.
Arbeloa - 6 - There were not many occasions when Ryan Giggs eluded him, although needs to improve his distribution.
Hyppia - 6 - He can look vulnerable but, aerially at least, he was never going to be troubled by Carlos Tevez and Wayne Rooney.
Carragher - 7 - His contest with Wayne Rooney was one of the more intriguing sideshows and he mostly had the better of his opponent.
Riise - 7 - The Norwegian acquitted himself admirably and was among the home side's better players.
Benayoun - 5 - This was not a day when any of the wide players excelled and Benayoun was a peripheral figure at times.
Gerrard - 7 - Probably Liverpool's best player, although unable to dictate the game in the fashion that he would have liked.
Mascherano - 7 - Argentinian did his best to add some quality to the midfield battle and made a number of impressive interceptions.
Kewell - 5 - For spells in the first half he was the worst player on the pitch. Improved slightly thereafter but contributed little.
Torres - 5 - One of his least effective displays since joining the club although he could cite a lack of service.
Kuyt - 5 - A trier, but is he really a striker to win the league? The reluctance to play Peter Crouch continues to mystify.
Substitutes
Babel (for Kewell, 65)
Aurelio (for Riise, 80)
Crouch (for Kuyt, 73)
Not used Itandje, Lucas
Referee M Halsey
Van der Sar - 5 - Blundering coming off his line nearly cost United twice. Looked unusually nervous but was well protected
Brown - 6 - Has been impressive in Gary Neville's absence but lacks finesse supplementing Cristiano Ronaldo.
Ferdinand - 8 - There is a myth that he dislikes these fast, frenetic matches. But his obduracy was a major factor here.
Vidic - 7 - Not as impressive as his partner in central defence, but another robust display and was seldom troubled.
Evra - 7 - Probably United's best player this season, but it is disappointing to see him trying to win cheap free-kicks.
Ronaldo - 6 - It is a paradox of Ronaldo's brilliance that he rarely illuminates these top-of-the-table encounters
Hargreaves - 8 - His harrying style makes him ideally suited to these kind of games - quick to the ball, strong in the tackle and self-assured
Anderson - 7 - The teenager refused to wilt when the heat of the battle was dangerously close to intolerable.
Giggs - 6 - Flickered sporadically but, overall, little impact - even if it was a neatly worked corner that led to the goal.
Rooney - 6 - The former Everton player had a glorious chance to silence the crowd but squandered his solitary chance.
Tevez - 7 - Might have been let down by the number of high balls. Eager to be involved and, ultimately, the match-winner.
Substitutes
Carrick (for Tevez, 83) O'Shea (for Anderson, 90)
Not used Kuszczak, Saha, Fletcher
I thought Gerard played well but was employed too deep, too often. I thought that Benitez should've pushed him up to hassle and occupy Hargeaves and Anderson.
Juice PM sent.
Tompkins on the defeat.
Before this game I promised myself and others that I would not get carried away by the result and write something distorted by either victory or defeat. So in the face of a narrow defeat, I'm doing as promised.
paul tomkins
I wrote: "...Whatever happens, it's just one game. A very important game, which will set some kind of marker and invoke a lot of passion and pride, but not a cup final, and not a title decider. And some things in football are not fundamentally changed by the result of one game in the first half of the season."
I never, ever have a good feeling when we play Manchester United. And with a crucial European away game preceding this encounter while United rested their team, my hopes weren't exactly strengthened. There was five days between the matches, so it wasn't as bad as it could have been, but clearly it wasn't the ideal preparation either. But that's football life, and you have to live with it.
Zonal marking was blamed for the goal, in typical and predictable fashion, but United's man-marking at set-pieces was far more farcical. The difference was arguably the bounce of the ball and the rub of the green. (And of course, Chelsea's set-piece man-marking against Arsenal was a joke.)
However, the one weakness with zonal marking (and every system has a weakness) is that anything done with real invention can cause uncertainty on the second phase of play. Liverpool were set up perfectly for the ball into the box, as they always are, but were slow in reacting to the pull-back outside the box. To make matters worse, Rooney's shot was going wide, but also straight at Carlos Tevez.
It seems that it doesn't matter how well Liverpool play in this fixture, it seems will not be the Reds' day.
A lot of it is making your own luck, and United are certainly good enough to do that, but where they find that extra 20% of good fortune in these games I'll never know. United somehow cleared two efforts off the line, and scraped a late first-half goal with their first effort of the match.
Liverpool were progressing nicely before the last two league games, but it remains the same story when it comes to meeting the top English teams, and United in particular.
Liverpool simply have to score the first goal against United soon, because every time Ferguson's men either earn it or steal it, the challenge becomes that much harder. The one time the Reds did just this was in the FA Cup; and they won.
But this defeat does not change what has been a very good first half of the season in the league, even if there remain areas for improvement. The aim now is to get a victory or two at places like Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and the Emirates Stadium.
With Torres' pace in the side, not to mention the emerging Ryan Babel, it's much more likely than in recent seasons. This is a crucial point: it's only really now that this team can do what all the top teams can, namely counter-attack effectively. So there are legitimate grounds for optimism.
I never get too upset when Liverpool play fairly well and lose against the run of play. It wasn't vintage in terms of free-flowing football, but once United scored it was never going to be easy carving out chances. The Reds cannot be faulted for effort, and for looking for a way through –– the players kept hammering away, looking to keep the tempo high and the pressure on, but passes had to be millimetre perfect to find a way through United's massed ranks; while dribbling with the ball often resulted in beating the first man but then getting smothered out by the second and/or third.
And unfortunately, the final ball wasn't good enough on many occasions, while the shots, when space was created, were a little hurried or wayward. But it says a lot about the balance of the game when United's best players were their central defensive pairing. Their football was certainly no better than the Reds', but of course, they had the space to pass and run into; that's the beauty of the counter-attack. Even then, they rarely worried the Reds.
The United goal meant there was then zero space for Torres to run into. The Spaniard looked a little leggy after all his recent outings, and his goal touch deserted him with a close-range header. The sharpness in the final third was just a little lacking from all Liverpool players, but of course, had either of those two chances cleared off the line had a fraction more pace on them, everyone gets a big pep-up from taking the lead.
Crucially, I also feel that this is the strongest United side since 1999, and their best squad perhaps in all the time Ferguson has been there. I don't enjoy saying that, but I feel it's true all the same. He still has some of the important elements in place from the '90s, and he bought Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand and the underrated Saha before Benítez was even at Liverpool. And this summer United spent bigger in net terms than Liverpool to reinforce their title-winning side, which was already more expensively assembled.
I've said it over the years, but for me the crucial time was between 2002 and 2004, when Ferguson was strengthening with the real aforementioned quality, and Houllier (who had previously bought fairly well) got it horribly wrong. Looking back, that was always going to be a hard point to recover from. I think Benítez has bought at least as well as Ferguson since 2004, but those two preceding years set the Reds back a long way. Arsene Wenger also made some of his best signings, like Fabregas, Clichy, Van Persie and Toure in those years.
If Benítez had inherited players like Ronaldo and Rooney instead of Cheyrou, Diouf and Diao, it could, and almost certainly would, have been so different. And while Rooney was never a realistic target, due to the fee and his Evertonian roots, Anelka, who could have been a Liverpool player full-time, is far, far closer to him than Diouf ever was.
And of course, Liverpool could do nothing to stop losing Michael Owen in the summer of 2004, and it's only now, in 2007, that Rafa has been able to ally pace to reliable finishing ability, something that is so important to have in at least one striker., but also so costly Meanwhile, one of Houllier's few good signings between 2002-2004, Harry Kewell, is only now rebuilding his career after three years of injury woe. He's looking fit, but there's more sharpness to come.
So Liverpool are playing catch-up, and to my mind, are catching up. It's just never an overnight process, and one made more difficult by the confidence boost United had last year, that helped them increase their belief, as well as the good players they also added in the summer. It took Benítez until this summer to be able to buy a £15m+ player, but Ferguson's squad is full of them: Rooney, Hargreaves, Carrick, Ferdinand, Anderson, Nani, and in time, Tevez. And while Cristiano Ronaldo, at £13m, is not in that list, Benítez has only signed one single player who cost more than the Portuguese winger.
Think about this: once United had signed most of those top-class players back in 2003 and 2004, it took two-to-three years for the blend to strike gold.
The progress of that team was very steady, but almost imperceptible at times. In 2005 and 2006, United looked a long way away from a title-winning side. But it clicked into place last season, without many new additions, and I can honestly see Liverpool getting closer to such a point. And I think that most Liverpool fans, in moments of quiet reflection once the sting of the United result has worn off, will feel the same.
This Liverpool team is in essence a work in progress from 2005 onwards; so started after Ferguson began building his current side. Only Xabi Alonso predates that as a Benítez signing. And while a nucleus of inherited names remain, players like Alonso, Torres, Reina, Babel, Agger, Mascherano, Lucas, Benayoun, Kuyt, Arbeloa and Crouch are just some of those the manager has looked to in order to add new elements or dimensions. And for the most part, that's been the case.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on December 15, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
as if by magic
Following press speculation on Saturday morning concerning Liverpool's new stadium in Stanley Park, Rick Parry today said: 'We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design'
Chief Executive Rick Parry told liverpoolfc.tv: "We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club.
"It will have a capacity of around 70,000, be higher quality and have a substantially increased Kop which will form the centrepiece of the new plans.
"Ever since the original designs were unveiled, we have been continuously revising and refining with the intention of delivering the best possible solution to our future needs.
"The situation in the credit markets has not affected our design, programme, or implementation of building our new stadium. The priority has always been to build a winning team on the pitch and everything else we do is geared towards that."
this wasnt brought to you by carrier pigeons flying south..
Lies...
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7148782.stm (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7148782.stm)
Once again with Tompkins the glass is always half full.......
There's nothing wrong with bringing a bit of optimism and perspective to the debate in the midst of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that accompanies every setback.
Is there anything you specifically disagree with, or do you just not like his tone?
I do think Tompkins is often a bit too upbeat about everything although I thought that was one of his more balanced articles.
We expect to challenge for league titles even though our spending power is simply not in the same league as Man U or Chelsea's. Wenger is managing a challenge at Arsenal (even though they themselves haven't won a trophy for 3 years) but he's had 10 years at the club and been allowed to invest big money on great young players and been given the time to allow them to emerge.
Quote from: J70 on December 18, 2007, 01:10:58 PM
There's nothing wrong with bringing a bit of optimism and perspective to the debate in the midst of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that accompanies every setback.
Is there anything you specifically disagree with, or do you just not like his tone?
Nothing specific, i just think we have to remember he is writing for the official Liverpool website and so any criticism be it constructive or otherwise will be minimal or he will be out of a job sharpish.
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 18, 2007, 01:30:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 18, 2007, 01:10:58 PM
There's nothing wrong with bringing a bit of optimism and perspective to the debate in the midst of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that accompanies every setback.
Is there anything you specifically disagree with, or do you just not like his tone?
Nothing specific, i just think we have to remember he is writing for the official Liverpool website and so any criticism be it constructive or otherwise will be minimal or he will be out of a job sharpish.
In fairness his articles were pretty much along the same lines even before he started writing for the official website.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 18, 2007, 08:08:29 AM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on December 15, 2007, 02:44:12 PM
as if by magic
Following press speculation on Saturday morning concerning Liverpool's new stadium in Stanley Park, Rick Parry today said: 'We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design'
Chief Executive Rick Parry told liverpoolfc.tv: "We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club.
"It will have a capacity of around 70,000, be higher quality and have a substantially increased Kop which will form the centrepiece of the new plans.
"Ever since the original designs were unveiled, we have been continuously revising and refining with the intention of delivering the best possible solution to our future needs.
"The situation in the credit markets has not affected our design, programme, or implementation of building our new stadium. The priority has always been to build a winning team on the pitch and everything else we do is geared towards that."
this wasnt brought to you by carrier pigeons flying south..
Lies...
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7148782.stm (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7148782.stm)
They cant get the funding in the states due to the dollars weakness, plus the fact they are mortgaged up to the hilt just like Utd and the Glazers. They are back to square one design wise, and It wouldnt surprise me to see it built at less than 70k with the foundations/planning in place to extend it in the future, when they have leeched abit more money from everyone and/or the dollar picks up.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7149636.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7149636.stm)
Liverpool deny transfer ban claim
Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry has dismissed claims boss Rafael Benitez has been told he cannot do any transfer deals in January.
It was reported Liverpool's American co-owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks had placed Benitez under a transfer embargo on moves in and out of Anfield.
But Parry told BBC Sport: "I can say that this is absolute rubbish."
Liverpool, however, are likely to wait until the summer to complete a proposed £17m move for Javier Mascherano.
Benitez met Hicks and Gillett after Sunday's defeat against Manchester United at Anfield in a bid to settle recent differences over transfer policy.
The meeting was described as "amicable" - although BBC Sport understands the American duo made it clear to Benitez that any further debate on club policy must not be made public.
Benitez remains confident of completing the purchase of Argentine midfield man Mascherano at the end of the season, while he is also hoping to complete two free transfer Bosman deals when the transfer window opens next month.
Peter Crouch and Momo Sissoko have been linked with moves away from Liverpool, while Benitez had also been hopeful of concluding a deal for AC Milan defender Kakha Kaladze.
The Spanish coach made a public attack on the club's hierarchy when he was told to concentrate on coaching rather than transfer business until they arrived back in England for the Manchester United game.
It was a stance that brought a stinging public rebuke from Hicks, who ordered Benitez to "quit talking".
Benitez is now unlikely to jeopardise his position further with any renewed criticism of Hicks and Gillett after a meeting described by one Anfield insider as "surprisingly low-key".
The manager was pleased with the meeting, saying: "We needed to clarify the situation and it was a very positive meeting.
"The conversation was very fluid because we were face to face, whereas it's more difficult over the phone or by e-mail.
"My English isn't always the best but having the chance to talk to them slowly and with time allowed us to analyse small problems. Now we can move forward."
Someone is rocking the boat somewhere, and leaking these stories out....
Thing is If Hicks and Gillette think that spending 17m on Masceran , a player they already have in their team is going to satisfy Benitez or the fans , they are a bit off the train of thought are they not.? If thats all the money he gets, then the squad is already complete for the year
An Fear Rua......I think you are the leak.
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 18, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
An Fear Rua......I think you are the leak.
you can think?
That Macherano figure is apparantly including his wages over the five years. The transfer fee is seemingly around the £8 million mark.
Quote from: corn02 on December 18, 2007, 03:37:47 PM
That Macherano figure is apparantly including his wages over the five years. The transfer fee is seemingly around the £8 million mark.
At that price It shouldnt even need to be debated, for a club of liverpools stature and turnover etc, its a relatively small fee.
Well thats the story doing the rounds. As you say if true should be snapped up espeically as we will somehow probabely get £6 million for Sisokko.
Chelsea in the League Cup Wednesday night.
Does anyone give a toss?
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2007, 01:08:51 AM
Chelsea in the League Cup Wednesday night.
Does anyone give a toss?
Me.
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2007, 01:08:51 AM
Chelsea in the League Cup Wednesday night.
Does anyone give a toss?
Well it is the only realistic chance of yous winning a trophy this season :D :D
HAHAHAHA New Devil fantastic, where do you get your material?
Norf Tyrone still waiting for that punchline?
Quote from: corn02 on December 19, 2007, 02:35:40 PM
HAHAHAHA New Devil fantastic, where do you get your material?
Norf Tyrone still waiting for that punchline?
Leave him alone Corn, i find him amusing in a harmless, simple sort of way......
Lads not trying to be funny....its the truth :)
Quote from: new devil on December 19, 2007, 04:16:58 PM
Lads not trying to be funny....its the truth :)
no it's not ???
Team for tonight
-----------------------Itandje-------------------
Arbeloa ----- Hobbs ----- Carragher ----- Aurelio -----
-------Alonso-------- Lucas ---------- Sissoko -------
-------Voronin ------ Crouch ---------- Babel -----
Subs: Martin, Hyypia, Riise, El Zhar, Benayoun.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 19, 2007, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 19, 2007, 04:16:58 PM
Lads not trying to be funny....its the truth :)
no it's not ???
Of course it is. Liverpool didn't actually reach two champions league finals or an FA cup final in the past three years. We all collectively dreamt it. ::)
typical >:(
2-0 now...good goal
Not a bad performance considering the team out. Cheslsea should have scored more probably. Stupid by Crouch Idjante (sp?) done well but should of had the second saved.
Don't think Benitez is taking this competition seriously. Shame. It's going to be rough seeing the Bitters carrying the Scouse flag against the massed Lahndahn forces (come on the cockneys!)
Not a shame at all.
It's a shame. For the sake of avoiding (at most) another 5.5 hours of football, Rafa lost any chance of winning the League Cup tonight. Excluding the League Cup, Liverpool have won five trophies since last winning the League. We cannot afford to be sniffy.
Indeed we can. Perhaps being sniffy is why we have not one many other cups. It is no shame in putting a half decent performance at Stamford Bridge. A cup for the likes of Villa, Spurs or Blackburn. It is only gained some credit in the last couple of years because of the performance of Arsenals kids which in fact is an example of how Arsenal treat it with contempt. United also, they rarely care about the FA Cup either and they win leagues. This competition is not an aim for Liverpool F.C.
Corn - Liverpool is about winning trophies. They have won this particular competition more than any other club.
On another point. Is anyone else pissed off with the constant sniping at the club and manager from Murdoch's empire?
The News of the World broke the Rafa 'Sacked' story, Oliver Kay, in the Times, for the past 3 weeks has been on a crusade to find a new angle from which he can sack Rafa. I can only imagine what that rag the Scum has been printing. Even Jeff Stelling was getting in on the act tonight. He was sharpening his knife before the game even kicked off then the first question he asked Gary Mac after the game was - 'so did Rafa get it wrong?' then managed to squeeze in a question on whether Rafa will be worried about his job.
Quote from: Chrisowc on December 19, 2007, 11:14:36 PM
On another point. Is anyone else pissed off with the constant sniping at the club and manager from Murdoch's empire?
Nothing new there. The media have never liked Liverpool. Whether they were winning or not. They are never slow to stick the knife in certainly in comparison to some other clubs.
QuoteIt's a shame. For the sake of avoiding (at most) another 5.5 hours of football, Rafa lost any chance of winning the League Cup tonight. Excluding the League Cup, Liverpool have won five trophies since last winning the League. We cannot afford to be sniffy.
Yip. I can't understand Benitez' attitude to the trophy. Annexing this takes a great deal of pressure off his shoulders. I think among fans a certain degree of silver snobbery exists. I was reared on a diet of division 2 football, and glourious failures, so it'll be a long time before I turn my nose up at a trophy.
Your keeper was very good today. Where did he come from and how much was he?
Signed from Lens in the summer French U-21 international
Has Benitez been taking lessons in humility from Mourinho?
Last night he sais his team played well and the turning point was the sending off. It was hardly the turning point, they were 1-0 down at the time.
On Sunday he said United were lucky despite the fact his team hardly created a chance.
Surely once in a while it would be best to admit that his team weren't up to it or perhaps he picked the wrong team.
I have to admit i was watching the match last night with total ambivalence, i actually thought the most worthwhile aspect of it would be for Alonso to get some match practice. For that end alone it was worthwhile.The league cup is like a ginger bird, it just doesent do it for me.
Agreed.
Why should we take it seriously when our main rivals don't. It is a competition in the same vein as the World Club Championship, worthless. It should be used for young players to gain experience. I would have rather El Zhar started last night. Also thought more of the youth squad from 2 years ago should have been playing what about Lindfield where is he?
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 20, 2007, 09:36:11 AM
The league cup is like a ginger bird, it just doesent do it for me.
Think about it though ss, if its the only bird you are going to have for the next year you might as well try & get yer leg over when you have a chance.....
Quote from: full back on December 20, 2007, 10:08:54 AM
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 20, 2007, 09:36:11 AM
The league cup is like a ginger bird, it just doesent do it for me.
Think about it though ss, if its the only bird you are going to have for the next year you might as well try & get yer leg over when you have a chance.....
Ah but i would prefer to save "a bagful" for the big one........
Brilliant full back.
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 09:13:40 AM
Has Benitez been taking lessons in humility from Mourinho?
Last night he sais his team played well and the turning point was the sending off. It was hardly the turning point, they were 1-0 down at the time.
On Sunday he said United were lucky despite the fact his team hardly created a chance.
Surely once in a while it would be best to admit that his team weren't up to it or perhaps he picked the wrong team.
When you're 1-0 down with eleven men, you're in a better position than when you're 1-0 down with one of your strikers having been sent off, don't you think? The game wasn't exactly lost when the first goal went in, whether or not it was a weakened team.
United created virtually nothing on Sunday either, apart from a weak shot which led to the goal, and the breakaway chance that Rooney should have scored.
When is the last time Ferguson or Wenger stood up in a press conference and said "I fucked it up!"?
Quote from: J70 on December 20, 2007, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 09:13:40 AM
Has Benitez been taking lessons in humility from Mourinho?
Last night he sais his team played well and the turning point was the sending off. It was hardly the turning point, they were 1-0 down at the time.
On Sunday he said United were lucky despite the fact his team hardly created a chance.
Surely once in a while it would be best to admit that his team weren't up to it or perhaps he picked the wrong team.
When you're 1-0 down with eleven men, you're in a better position than when you're 1-0 down with one of your strikers having been sent off, don't you think? The game wasn't exactly lost when the first goal went in, whether or not it was a weakened team.
United created virtually nothing on Sunday either, apart from a weak shot which led to the goal, and the breakaway chance that Rooney should have scored.
When is the last time Ferguson or Wenger stood up in a press conference and said "I fucked it up!"?
I wouldn't expect him to say that but he could once in a while say that the best team won. Wenger and Ferguson have both admitted over the years that they have been out-played or out-battled. He is quick enough to point out other teams deficiencies in front of the camera so perhaps he should admit his own teams once in a while. Last night Mikel was assaulted by one of his players, yet he blamed Mikel. Ludicrous.
It was potentially a bad tackle on Mikel but he didnt make that much contact,no complaints with the red card though,but certainly not enough contact for Mikel to writhe about as if the sniper was out again.
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 20, 2007, 03:08:49 PM
It was potentially a bad tackle on Mikel but he didnt make that much contact,no complaints with the red card though,but certainly not enough contact for Mikel to writhe about as if the sniper was out again.
It would have been a lot worse if Mikel had not been running away from the tackle. If he had been standing still it would have hit him on the thigh. I don't know what came over Crouch, very unlike him. He just lost the run of himself.
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 20, 2007, 03:08:49 PM
It was potentially a bad tackle on Mikel but he didnt make that much contact,no complaints with the red card though,but certainly not enough contact for Mikel to writhe about as if the sniper was out again.
It would have been a lot worse if Mikel had not been running away from the tackle. If he had been standing still it would have hit him on the thigh. I don't know what came over Crouch, very unlike him. He just lost the run of himself.
Might it have been frustration at getting a rough deal this season by Rafa and he might know he is in the last few weeks of his Liverpool career!!
Hope for yees yet lads :D :D
20/12/2007 10:13, Report by Gemma ThompsonStill a four-way fightCristiano Ronaldo believes Chelsea and Liverpool will still have a big say in this season's title race, despite losing out in the battle of the big four last weekend.
United left Anfield with all three points thanks to Carlos Tevez's first half winner, while William Gallas' goal gave Arsenal victory over Chelsea at The Emirates.
Avram Grant's side are six points adrift of leaders Arsenal, while Liverpool lie ten points behind. United are currently second in the table, one point behind the Gunners.
Despite the points gap, Ronaldo remains convinced it is still a four-horse race.
"We have a good chance — we are at the top of the league, Arsenal and ourselves," he said. "But I don't think it is just between the two teams. Chelsea and Liverpool are still there and are strong.
"Arsenal play fantastic football but I think we have a better team this season that we had last year. We have good players, a good spirit and we have to do the same as last season."
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 20, 2007, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 09:13:40 AM
Has Benitez been taking lessons in humility from Mourinho?
Last night he sais his team played well and the turning point was the sending off. It was hardly the turning point, they were 1-0 down at the time.
On Sunday he said United were lucky despite the fact his team hardly created a chance.
Surely once in a while it would be best to admit that his team weren't up to it or perhaps he picked the wrong team.
When you're 1-0 down with eleven men, you're in a better position than when you're 1-0 down with one of your strikers having been sent off, don't you think? The game wasn't exactly lost when the first goal went in, whether or not it was a weakened team.
United created virtually nothing on Sunday either, apart from a weak shot which led to the goal, and the breakaway chance that Rooney should have scored.
When is the last time Ferguson or Wenger stood up in a press conference and said "I fucked it up!"?
I wouldn't expect him to say that but he could once in a while say that the best team won. Wenger and Ferguson have both admitted over the years that they have been out-played or out-battled. He is quick enough to point out other teams deficiencies in front of the camera so perhaps he should admit his own teams once in a while. Last night Mikel was assaulted by one of his players, yet he blamed Mikel. Ludicrous.
What he said was that Crouch reacted to Mikel trying to kick him. He said the red card was probably correct.
Also, I'm pretty sure I've heard Benitez admit when Liverpool haven't played well on a number of occasions e.g. after Marseille home defeat:
"You can talk about team selection, and we have been talking about big names. But those big names did not play well from the start. It was a poor game for us, we did not play well and we did not make many chances. It was clearly not our day. "
Benitez is very reluctant to admit his team deserved to lose when they are beat by the like of Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U.
As for Crouch's sending off, it takes alot for him to react - I have never seen a bigger tr**p than that Obi Mikel boy, he's a dirty hoore and doesnt bring alot to Chelsea, well apart from his slight forehead!
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 21, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
As for Crouch's sending off, it takes alot for him to react - I have never seen a bigger tr**p than that Obi Mikel boy, he's a dirty hoore and doesnt bring alot to Chelsea, well apart from his slight forehead!
He's a dirty little fcuker alright. Always hacking away at players. Definitely someone that's going to perform a horror tackle and get sent off before the season is out.
Anyway Inter Milan. Could have been worse IMO. Flying in Serie A but they've always been a bit unpredictable and flaky in Europe. They won't have been too happy drawing us.
how could it have been worse?
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on December 21, 2007, 11:43:13 AM
how could it have been worse?
Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan IMO of course.
Inter despite flying in Serie A are notoriously flaky in Europe and European pedigree tends to count in this competition.
AC Milan may be well behind in the league but they are masters of playing in Europe and winning over two legs.
Barcelona still have the greatest array of attacking talent in Europe (and have Eto'o back fit). Granted we beat them last year.
Real Madrid like Milan tend to know what they are doing in Europe and are top in Spain.
So could have been worse IMO but obviously you don't know till you play the game.
Inter won't be looking at us with any great deal of satisfaction either.
not the worst draw
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 20, 2007, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 09:13:40 AM
Has Benitez been taking lessons in humility from Mourinho?
Last night he sais his team played well and the turning point was the sending off. It was hardly the turning point, they were 1-0 down at the time.
On Sunday he said United were lucky despite the fact his team hardly created a chance.
Surely once in a while it would be best to admit that his team weren't up to it or perhaps he picked the wrong team.
When you're 1-0 down with eleven men, you're in a better position than when you're 1-0 down with one of your strikers having been sent off, don't you think? The game wasn't exactly lost when the first goal went in, whether or not it was a weakened team.
United created virtually nothing on Sunday either, apart from a weak shot which led to the goal, and the breakaway chance that Rooney should have scored.
When is the last time Ferguson or Wenger stood up in a press conference and said "I fucked it up!"?
I wouldn't expect him to say that but he could once in a while say that the best team won. Wenger and Ferguson have both admitted over the years that they have been out-played or out-battled. He is quick enough to point out other teams deficiencies in front of the camera so perhaps he should admit his own teams once in a while. Last night Mikel was assaulted by one of his players, yet he blamed Mikel. Ludicrous.
Would ya go away ta f**k,Ferguson has blamed everything from the ref to the length of the grass to the f**king jerseys they were wearing..."We couldn't see each other in the gray jerseys so we changed at half time"...Yeah thats why Southampton were thumping ye 6-3 because of the colour of the jerseys ::)
Ferguson won't even do interviews now when ye lose instead he sends out that muppet Querioz
Happy enough with the draw..I don't think it really matters who they got Liverpool should have no fear of anyone with getting to two finals in three years,if anything Inter will be the ones who won't be pleased with the draw
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 21, 2007, 03:17:03 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 02:59:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 20, 2007, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: Great Leap Forward on December 20, 2007, 09:13:40 AM
Has Benitez been taking lessons in humility from Mourinho?
Last night he sais his team played well and the turning point was the sending off. It was hardly the turning point, they were 1-0 down at the time.
On Sunday he said United were lucky despite the fact his team hardly created a chance.
Surely once in a while it would be best to admit that his team weren't up to it or perhaps he picked the wrong team.
When you're 1-0 down with eleven men, you're in a better position than when you're 1-0 down with one of your strikers having been sent off, don't you think? The game wasn't exactly lost when the first goal went in, whether or not it was a weakened team.
United created virtually nothing on Sunday either, apart from a weak shot which led to the goal, and the breakaway chance that Rooney should have scored.
When is the last time Ferguson or Wenger stood up in a press conference and said "I fucked it up!"?
I wouldn't expect him to say that but he could once in a while say that the best team won. Wenger and Ferguson have both admitted over the years that they have been out-played or out-battled. He is quick enough to point out other teams deficiencies in front of the camera so perhaps he should admit his own teams once in a while. Last night Mikel was assaulted by one of his players, yet he blamed Mikel. Ludicrous.
Would ya go away ta f**k,Ferguson has blamed everything from the ref to the length of the grass to the f**king jerseys they were wearing..."We couldn't see each other in the gray jerseys so we changed at half time"...Yeah thats why Southampton were thumping ye 6-3 because of the colour of the jerseys ::)
Ferguson won't even do interviews now when ye lose instead he sends out that muppet Querioz
Ferguson does do interviews when they lose. Querioz is trotted out to BBC because Ferguson refuses to work with them after a fall-out a few years back.
Agree though that all managers are just as bad as each other when it comes to that sort of shit., something stupid for us to fight about I suppose.
QuoteHe's a dirty little fcuker alright. Always hacking away at players. Definitely someone that's going to perform a horror tackle and get sent off before the season is out.
Lovely.!
Obi one's tackling leaves a lot to be desired though. He can't tackle essentially. If he masters this part of his game, he will be approaching world class.
He is probably Chelsea's POTY to date, but if you ask me what he does....I'd struggle to answer. He has very 'Guillit' like qualities, and is extremely efficent on the ball.
Half Time
Liverpool 2
Pompy 0
Kewell playing well,Great goal by Benayoun aswell
Big result yesterday but not a great performance, a draw yesterday really would have finished us. Great goal by Torres even though he wasnt great from general play, his touch was a bit off for a change but he is still scoring goals.
Cant slip up tomorrow now!! All teams still going to drop points here and there for the rest of year! Go on the Hammers :D
Very tricky game tomorrow and as Carmen says we can't slip up...City are flying it at home and only just dropped their first points at home
A reckon it will end as a draw myself
I can't help but think that today's results will spur the boys on tomorrow
2 nil win - you gotta be optimistic
Hope your right Gab...
Also hope Rafa sticks to his strongest 11 if he knows what that is :-\
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 29, 2007, 05:25:02 PM
I can't help but think that today's results will spur the boys on tomorrow
2 nil win - you gotta be optimistic
hope so!
If the bluenoses manage to get even a point from Arsenal then Liverpool could go within 6 points of the top two tomorrow with a win over City. With a game in hand.
So a win tomorrow is vital although it definitely won't be easy.
Could see Everton taking all three! 8)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 29, 2007, 05:32:15 PM
Could see Everton taking all three! 8)
They are 1 up after 20mins
Cant beleive Cahill claiming it :o
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 29, 2007, 05:40:18 PM
Cant beleive Cahill claiming it :o
I hope he gets it i have him on my fantasy team
I reckon Rafa should pick this team today depending on injuries
Reina
Finnan, Carragher, Agger, Arbeloa
Mascherano
Gerrard, Alonso
Babel Kewell
Torres
Can easily revert to 442 with Babel going up top and Gerrard moving out to the right. Need to be strong out there with the threat of petrov. Masch is essential to pick up Elano
The Reds XI in full is:
Reina, Aurelio, Finnan, Carragher, Arbeloa, Benayoun, Kewell, Mascherano, Gerrard, Kuyt, Torres.
Subs: Itandje, Riise, Alonso, Voronin, Babel.
Alvaro Arbeloa will partner Jamie Carragher at the heart of Liverpool's defence at City in the absence of the injured Sami Hyypia. ???
The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Aurelio, Finnan, Carragher, Arbeloa, Benayoun, Kewell, Mascherano, Gerrard, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Itandje, Riise, Alonso, Voronin, Babel.
**COUGH COUGH**
Poor again, could I say choked, would that be fair?
That being said, couldn't believe arsenal yesterday, yer wee man and his three hand balls, net result 2 goals and a yello card! And as for fabregas' theatrics, he should see a fine for that, not that'll bother him. 2 hand balls, a dive and the stupidist mix up and arsenal win 4-1, feel sorry for the other half...
Liverpool were just ok but they really needed the 3 points today if they want to close in on Arsenal and United. How good was Richard Dunne today?? Probably the most impressive centre half in the premier league so far this season.
Rafa not too happy:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44327000/jpg/_44327168_benitez_getty300.jpg)
Quote from: FermPundit on December 30, 2007, 06:06:06 PM
Liverpool were just ok but they really needed the 3 points today if they want to close in on Arsenal and United. How good was Richard Dunne today?? Probably the most impressive centre half in the premier league so far this season.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44327000/jpg/_44327191_torres_pa300.jpg)
At one stage I seen Dunne out race Torres!!
(And just to note that I'm not being smart, or running down Liverpool, I am simply stating my admiration for Donkey-turned-world-class defender Richard Dunne)
QuoteAnd just to note that I'm not being smart, or running down Liverpool, I am simply stating my admiration for Donkey-turned-world-class defender Richard Dunne
On one balmy Sept afternoon in 2001 the same Richard Dunne played 90mins in south Dublin with Van Nistlerooy, Hasselbaink, Overmars, Van Hooijdonk, Kluivert & Van Bronkhorst all in his back pocket! He had the makings of a decent centre half then.
True OTB, but he had numerous bouts of crapiness. The last year or two he is one of the premier league's most reliable performers.
Quote from: Over the Bar on December 30, 2007, 09:20:54 PM
QuoteAnd just to note that I'm not being smart, or running down Liverpool, I am simply stating my admiration for Donkey-turned-world-class defender Richard Dunne
On one balmy Sept afternoon in 2001 the same Richard Dunne played 90mins in south Dublin with Van Nistlerooy, Hasselbaink, Overmars, Van Hooijdonk, Kluivert & Van Bronkhorst all in his back pocket! He had the makings of a decent centre half then.
We went straight out to the 2nd U2 concert in Slane after that. The best non-GAA day of my life by a mile.
Richard Dunne was like a man possessed yesterday. Absolutely fantastic! I couldn't believe his goal line clearance then 2 minutes later his block on Benny's goal bound shot.
I thought it was a foul on Torres though that might have got him a red card.
Anyone know where i can catch the game tonight...internet or otherwise?
Quote from: gawa316 on January 02, 2008, 06:40:56 PM
Anyone know where i can catch the game tonight...internet or otherwise?
If you pm Square Ball he usually has all the info
Team v Wigan
Renia
Finnan
Arbeola
Carragher
Aurelio
Pennant
Alonso
Mascherano
Kewell
Gerrard
Torres
Good too see Pennant back,Is Kuyt injured?
he's on the bench
Subs: Itandje, Riise, Benayoun, Crouch, Kuyt.
0-0 at half time by all accounts a bad match
tis a bad match LL, LPool have all the ball but not creating much
Is it really bad Square? Im not actually watching it but reading Yahoo's live text commentry
seen worse mate, they have had two great chances and hit the keper with both, not watching it on Sopcast?
Usual story. If they can't get an early goal it is a struggle.
BBC Radio Merseyside have commentary
that was well timed, sopcast froze for the goal...... my sister, nephew and brother-in-law will be pissed off with that goal, ther are at the match, Wigan supporters!!!
Christ 1-1 Titus Bramble of all c****
Oh my god...
Full Time
Liverpool 1 - 1 Wigan
Torres Bramble
Boo's at the final whistle...Premier League as good as gone need a miracle now.
Looks like we'll have too make do with Champions League/FA Cup double ;)
absolute rubbish >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
1 up front at home against Wigan????
f**king Wigan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title challenge officially over for another year!
Benitez needs to bring in at least 2 world class offensive players. One to play alongside Torres because the rest especially Kuyt aren't up to it. The other has to be a winger in the Ronaldo mould who can change a game by himself. I want hold my breath though...he'll probably buy a couple of team players who can run all day but not much else
Could be the end for Crouch. He must be seriously pissed off with that shit.
Well that's done and dusted for another year.
I love Rafa but he is far too conservative to win a league title in England. One up front at home to Wigan? That said the team picked should have been good enough to win the game anyway.
Listening to a radio phone in show on that station Gab Hurl was talking about..
One irate scouser phones in and says Benitez has lost his marbles and has spent €50million on donkeys..
Has a point hasn't he
Who can we buy that might change things?
Anelka anyone?
Queresma and Anelka for me
According to the radio phone in this is the first time ever Wigan have taken a point off any of the Top 4 teams :-[
I actually think its a creative midfielder we need as opposed to another striker. You can say what you want about Gerrard but he wont pick a killer pass to win a tight game. That is it for another year though and im not sure we are any closer, Benitez will be gone in the summer i would think.
do you think he will get much money in the window? Anelka is apparently in discussion with two clubs with Chelsea one of them.
Quote from: Square Ball on January 02, 2008, 10:15:24 PM
do you think he will get much money in the window? Anelka is apparently in discussion with two clubs with Chelsea one of them.
I doubt Anelka would go back to Liverpool not after the way he was treated the last time...
Quote from: Square Ball on January 02, 2008, 10:15:24 PM
do you think he will get much money in the window? Anelka is apparently in discussion with two clubs with Chelsea one of them.
I dont think they will give him silly money as i dont believe Hicks and Gillette see Benitez as the long term answer. In any case you cant usually get the kind of blue chip players we need in January window.
Goals from tonights match
http://profile.imeem.com/UjpwMAK/video/OEkkj791
That was some hash of an attempted clearance from Gerrard for Brambles goal. Finnan would have been a great asset for the Armagh team in last few years, everytime he gets the ball he flights an aimless diagonal ball to the far side of penalty box.
Good saves from Kirkland
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/1655913
Wayne Bridge being touted as on his way to Anfield.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 03, 2008, 02:13:12 AM
Wayne Bridge being touted as on his way to Anfield.
That's all we need. Another average player.
QuoteThat's all we need. Another average player.
Maybe Rafa wants people with experience of winning the premiership in his squad?
QuoteMaybe Rafa wants people with experience of winning the premiership in his squad?
He can have Wes Brown if he likes....
Good man Minder, have a dig at the player who actually created our only goal, certainly Torres finished well but only for Finnan getting in behind the defence it wouldn't have been scored. Very disappointinmg result and Premier League is gone for the season.
Quote from: mackers on January 03, 2008, 10:26:58 AM
Good man Minder, have a dig at the player who actually created our only goal, certainly Torres finished well but only for Finnan getting in behind the defence it wouldn't have been scored. Very disappointinmg result and Premier League is gone for the season.
I am giving my judgement, not solely on last night. He is one of the calibre of players we need to jettison if we are ever to reach the level of United and win the league. He just isnt good enough, now of course there will be one off games where he performs well (Nou Camp last year) for example.
Steve Finnan is one of the least of our worries. One of the best RB's in the league and is always well up there when it comes to assists every season.
Only problem is he's 32 in a few months so probably doesn't have too many years left.
Yep, all over for another year. The drought is approaching Utd's now, with them only two league trophies back. After West Ham turned over Utd. I thought Liverpool might get back in the race but they couldn't take the opportunities handed to them, no one to blame but themselves, just not the character in the squad and the gaffer still hasn't come to terms with English football. Rafa will surely be gone, the summer at the latest, unless he pulls off another miracle and wins the chumps league. Begs the question as to whether the Yanks will back him at all in January?
Got this From a bloke that posts a lot on liverpool forums...
I have heard that the Echo and 1 national have a massive story about the club and its not a good 1 by all accounts by are having to hold back for now for legal reasons!I think its about Gillet and Hicks and their debt loan.
Things not looking good on the red side of the mersey. I was at the Man City game and they were shocking. Torres missed a couple of sitters and faded and Gerrard disappeared the longer the game went on. How Harry Kewell continues to get a game is beyond me
Nice and vague there Declan.
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2008, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 03, 2008, 10:26:58 AM
Good man Minder, have a dig at the player who actually created our only goal, certainly Torres finished well but only for Finnan getting in behind the defence it wouldn't have been scored. Very disappointinmg result and Premier League is gone for the season.
I am giving my judgement, not solely on last night. He is one of the calibre of players we need to jettison if we are ever to reach the level of United and win the league. He just isnt good enough, now of course there will be one off games where he performs well (Nou Camp last year) for example.
Sorry mate but i have never heard so much brown talked in my life. Steve Finnan consistently performs well in a Liverpool jersey, what more do you want from a right back??? Name me a right back in the premiership who is better than him??
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 03, 2008, 01:48:27 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2008, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: mackers on January 03, 2008, 10:26:58 AM
Good man Minder, have a dig at the player who actually created our only goal, certainly Torres finished well but only for Finnan getting in behind the defence it wouldn't have been scored. Very disappointinmg result and Premier League is gone for the season.
I am giving my judgement, not solely on last night. He is one of the calibre of players we need to jettison if we are ever to reach the level of United and win the league. He just isnt good enough, now of course there will be one off games where he performs well (Nou Camp last year) for example.
Sorry mate but i have never heard so much brown talked in my life. Steve Finnan consistently performs well in a Liverpool jersey, what more do you want from a right back??? Name me a right back in the premiership who is better than him??
Eboue.
He is playing out on the right wing more at the moment, Sagna is right back for Arsenal 8)
QuoteNice and vague there Declan.
Only passing on the mail I got Minder.
Quote from: Declan on January 03, 2008, 01:44:45 PM
I think its about Gillet and Hicks and their debt loan.
The more I think about Dumb and Dumber the more I despair!!
They wouldn't know a sawker ball if it cracked off their scons! They do know about making money, which is precisely what they did after forcing Rafa to recoup upto £20m (including getting rid of Garcia, which was madness when you look at Veronin) before even considering splashing any cash on Torres. Oh and the small matter of the Champions League final and prize money for finishing in the top 4 in the prem etc. Nevermind the prize money already accumulated for this years Champions league........
then according to the Daily Telegraph, Rafa must get rid of Riise, Sissoko and Kewell just to pay for Mascherano!!! - then we have the stadium debacle! It has to be re-designed because of the weak dollar?!!? Do me a favour! What next??
Oh and another thing. I wish they wouldn't go running to the media every time they get their knickers in a twist over Rafa's pigeon English!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 03, 2008, 02:01:40 PM
He is playing out on the right wing more at the moment, Sagna is right back for Arsenal 8)
I know that but he has played the majority of his time at Arsenal as a right back, he is fast, athletic and good going forward.
Minder, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're on a loser here, Finnan is one of the more consistent performers and indeed, with all the talk of the rotation policy, he was one of the few players not to be rotated up to his injury.
Chrisowc, I would gladly sacrifice the players you have listed to keep Mascherano!
One phrase sums up Momo for me, "his second touch is always a tackle".
Quote from: mackers on January 03, 2008, 02:42:03 PM
Minder, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're on a loser here, Finnan is one of the more consistent performers and indeed, with all the talk of the rotation policy, he was one of the few players not to be rotated up to his injury.
Chrisowc, I would gladly sacrifice the players you have listed to keep Mascherano!
One phrase sums up Momo for me, "his second touch is always a tackle".
I wasn't saying these players should stay in the long run. These clowns won't back the manager and are constantly under-mining him in the press.
At the start of this season I really felt that we would have a squad that could challenge for the title. It was the first time I felt that in a long time. That's why this years f*ck ups seem to be worse than any other year. I had actually allowed myself to hope that come April and May we would still be in with a fighting chance. How wrong I was. Patience is running a bit thin with Rafa. I have no doubt that he has an eye for a player and can organise his defence well. What is getting me now is this reluctance to make changes in a match. Last nite I made two predictions based on the team that we had out. I said we'd draw the game and Crouch would come on after 80 mins.
I just don't understand why he didn't play two strikers, especially at home to wigan. Crouch should have started. He has been treated poorly by Rafa and I would not blame him for wanting away. And my opinion is that he would be a loss for Liverpool.
We were chatting at half time who should have been taken of. And we had a list of about 5 players who were so poor. Finnan had a poor game, Kewell and Pennant did not do enough, Alonso and Mache gave alot of easy balls away. It could have been a real toss up for who should come of. But the changes didn't happen. I think it was near the 70 min when Kewell came of.
My opinion is that Rafa is lacking balls. I think he is that scared of lossing either Alonso, Masche or Gerrard that he is trying to get a formation that will suit all three. Indeed there may be games were all three were needed but it is most certainly not against Wigan at home and with just one striker up front!!
For me the wide men are poor. I know Babel was bought to try to add speed to our attack but he's no Ronaldo. There needs to be a serious look at this. In jan I would try to ship out Kewell and Sissoko for definite. And if a half decent offer came in for either Riise, Pennant, Benny, Vorinion they happy days. Even Kuyt if a suitable offer came in. I would however hold on to Crouch.
I know this sounds harsh on some of the players especially Riise and Benny who have looked ok for the most parts. But we need someone who would be an automatic starter on the wing and will put in big preformances more times than not. Babel may come good. He's young and looks like he might settle well enough. Hasn't had the impact I was hoping for but it might come yet.
Other than that, it's down now to hoping for the CL again. And if Rafa fecks that up then I don't think he'll be there come august.
SuperSarfields......Cant take issue with any of that. Babel is worth persevering with, he is young. Players like Riise, Kewell have been there long enough and are not good enough. Voronin never was and never will be good enough.Benayoun has been ok in patches but would he get on for United, Arsenal or Chelsea? We all know the answer. I used to be a huge fan of enitez but have to say that is wavering at the minute.
Can't understand criticism towards Finnan.He along with Carragher and Renia have been the most consistent Liverpool players over the last few seasons..
LL I was only critical of him in the Wigan match. I agree he's been very good over the last couple of seasons. But he is hitting 32 this year. And a replacement is needed. Over all I don't have that big problems with the defence. It's the wings that need a good overhaul.
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Real Madrid are ready to discuss a sensational swap deal with Liverpool over the sale of former Manchester United fullback Gabriel Heinze.
The People says Real want to talk to the Merseysiders about a deal to take Spaniard Xabi Alonso home and will use former Manchester United left-back Heinze or striker Julio Baptista - or both - as bait.
Rafa Benitez has tracked Argentina defender Heinze since it became apparent he wanted out of United in the summer.
Heinze alone would not be enough for Benitez to do business, but the addition of Baptista would tempt him.
Baptista, who spent last season on loan at Arsenal, has just reclaimed his spot in the Real starting line-up and scored a wonder goal against archrivals Barcelona last week.
Baptista looked like a heap of shite more often than not last year( other than the time he scored 4 in Rumbelows Cup against us), he hasnt really impressed since he was at Sevilla. Heinze's best days are probably behind him. Alonso may need a change of scenery though.
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2008, 11:10:05 PM
Baptista looked like a heap of shite more often than not last year( other than the time he scored 4 in Rumbelows Cup against us), he hasnt really impressed since he was at Sevilla. Heinze's best days are probably behind him. Alonso may need a change of scenery though.
Rumbelows Cup :D Long time since i heard that..I still call it the Littlewoods Cup :D
Hearing rumours about Ezequiel Garay (Argentine centre-back) plays for Racing Santander has agreed terms for a 5 years deal with Liverpool late tonight - 8 million quid fee
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 03:08:24 AM
Hearing rumours about Ezequiel Garay (Argentine centre-back) plays for Racing Santander has agreed terms for a 5 years deal with Liverpool late tonight - 8 million quid fee
Source? He is supposed to be good though.
Mourinho 'keen on Benitez's job'
Duncan Castles
Sunday January 6, 2008
The Observer
Jose Mourinho is growing increasingly restless in his search for a return to management and, after possible openings at Real Madrid and Barcelona failed to materialise, is monitoring the position of Rafa Benitez at Liverpool. If the Spaniard pays the price for failing to keep the Reds in serious contention for the Premier League title, then the former Chelsea boss would be interested in talking to the club's American owners.
There has been no approach to Mourinho by the Americans, but Hicks and Gillett are understood to be actively considering replacement managers and are well aware of the abilities of the Portuguese, who discussed becoming Liverpool manager before joining Chelsea in 2004. Asked last night to comment on the pair's interest in employing Mourinho, Hicks declined.
Mourinho's family were keen to live in London again when he was considering becoming England coach, although they do not hold the same enthusiasm about the wetter, colder and (in their view) less cosmopolitan North-West. 'Liverpool is not the same as London,' said a friend. 'But Liverpool is a big club and Jose loves English football. For now we have to wait.'
Mourinho had received indications that Real Madrid or, more likely, Barcelona would move for him during the Spanish league's winter break, but has been disappointed by Barcelona's continued faith in Frank Rijkaard and Bernd Schuster is still in place at Real. Mourinho has dismissed reports that he has agreed to take over from Carlo Ancelotti at AC Milan next season, issuing a strongly worded formal denial. He believes Milan will stick to their policy of appointing former players.
Mourinho would be interested in an approach from Bayern Munich, who are set to replace Ottmar Hitzfeld at the end of the season, and club president Franz Beckenbauer wrote in a recent newspaper column: 'Mourinho, why not? Our club needs a big name.' Mourinho's camp has interpreted these words as a clear statement of intent. However, the Portuguese would prefer a return to England and reports he is learning German are untrue.
Mourinho came close to accepting the England job in December, despite long-held plans not to move into international management until the latter stages of his career. At the time, Mourinho's assistants were so confident that he would take the post, ultimately filled by Fabio Capello, that they talked openly of being back in London by January and discussing where they would live.
There were several reasons for Mourinho's late change of plan. Senior FA figures are understood to have held reservations about his radical plans for creating a 'Club England' national team. The Portuguese wanted unprecedented control over support structures and involvement in the training regimes of Premier League clubs. Mourinho was also concerned about media intrusion into his private life, discussing this with the FA before withdrawing his candidacy. Though still an issue, it would not be such a great concern if he took the less public position of club manager.
Berti Vogts has admitted that his future as Nigeria coach is in doubt just two weeks before the start of the African Nations Cup. Vogts said delays in salary payments were making him consider quitting 12 months into his four-year contract. 'I love Africa, but I don't know how long I can put up with these problems,' the German said.
The Liverpool team in full: Itandje, Finnan, Riise, Carragher, Hyypia, Lucas, Alonso, Benayoun, Babel, Crouch, Kuyt. Subs: Martin, Hobbs, Mascherano, El Zhar, Voronin.
Poor stuff so far :(
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 05:20:03 PM
Poor stuff so far :(
That is being generous........Rafa may not get until the summer
At least they're 1-0 now, even if Luton did gift them the goal against the run of play.
Don't really give a toss to be honest though. The cups don't mean shit if we don't see an improvement in the league.
1-1
Pure shite, but then some of those players will never be anything else.
Really is becoming a joke! :( The scary thing is, that was probably our strongest team considering the injurys and Torres!
Awful stuff today,and really were lucky to get a draw..
Was almost happy for Luton at the end that they got the draw as it will help them with their financial problems
Very poor today, Kyut gets worse with every game. The rafa revolution may be grinding to a halt. Hopefully we can pick it up over the next few games.
Kuyts contribution this season has been zero! Striker needed badly plus a wide man! Never seen as much individual play from a liverpool team in along time, got to start playing as a team again..... soon!
I know he ain't World Class or arything but i think Steven Hunt would be a good fella to sign,especially as seeing money might not be plentyfull,He is having a great season and certainly doesn't lack passion or skill for that matter,Richard Dunne is another who is playing excellent stuff and Hyypia looked a shadow of his former self today so i think a centre back is needed..
I read on a LFC forum that Robbie Keane is being mentioned around Liverpool too :o Not sure how true that is,its just something a scouser posted on the forum
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 06, 2008, 10:06:42 PM
I know he ain't World Class or arything but i think Steven Hunt would be a good fella to sign,especially as seeing money might not be plentyfull,He is having a great season and certainly doesn't lack passion or skill for that matter,Richard Dunne is another who is playing excellent stuff and Hyypia looked a shadow of his former self today so i think a centre back is needed..
I read on a LFC forum that Robbie Keane is being mentioned around Liverpool too :o Not sure how true that is,its just something a scouser posted on the forum
I'd put money on Keane staying at Spurs for the rest of his career. He's had too many clubs and he's a success at Spurs so why leave? He may get Champions League football at Liverpool, but he won't start every game.
Hunt is good but just another Pennant / Kewell a decent player in what has to be a great team.
I would take Bentley no problem though.
Someone got stuck into me a while back for saying the League Cup is worthless well guess what the FA Cup is worthless too. If we were still in with a league chance I would not have cared if we were beat. There are only two things that matter to the big 4 the League and the Champions League.
I still think the FA Cup is worth winning...
Am I on my own in thinking that?
I wold like to win it, I would not deem it unsuccessful if we did not. Rember FA Cup in 05? what happened that year!
QuoteSomeone got stuck into me a while back for saying the League Cup is worthless well guess what the FA Cup is worthless too. If we were still in with a league chance I would not have cared if we were beat. There are only two things that matter to the big 4 the League and the Champions League.
I cannot understand this attitude at all. Winning is winning. Sure there is a pecking order of trophies, but winning the league cup gave the Chelsea players the belief (And the feeling) that they had a squad to lift silverware. It bred 2 premierships, another LC, and a FA Cup! You'd think that Liverpool were coming down with trophies every season!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 06, 2008, 11:35:52 PM
QuoteSomeone got stuck into me a while back for saying the League Cup is worthless well guess what the FA Cup is worthless too. If we were still in with a league chance I would not have cared if we were beat. There are only two things that matter to the big 4 the League and the Champions League.
I cannot understand this attitude at all. Winning is winning. Sure there is a pecking order of trophies, but winning the league cup gave the Chelsea players the belief (And the feeling) that they had a squad to lift silverware. It bred 2 premierships, another LC, and a FA Cup! You'd think that Liverpool were coming down with trophies every season!
Surely Mourinho and Abramovichs roubles bred 2 prems etc.......
Norf to suggest winning the League Cup gave Chelsea belief is a crazy statement.
It is like saying Tyrone winning the McKenna Cup gave them belief to win Sam. If winning is winning why do teams put out weak teams for League Cup especially. It is nothing to do with Liverpool coming down with Cups. But if we win the League Cup and frig up elsewhere it ain't going to turn it into a good season. For the standard of club Liverpool is, these Cups are not important and that is a fact. F.A Cup is a nice one t o win but it would not save Rafas job that is for sure. It has come along way since Ferguson was saved by it. The romance of that Cup is dead, especially for the Big Four. Ask City or Everton which is more important finishing fifth or winning the FA Cup and they will say fifth.
When United did not field the last importance of the Cup was withdrawn also.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 06, 2008, 11:35:52 PM
QuoteSomeone got stuck into me a while back for saying the League Cup is worthless well guess what the FA Cup is worthless too. If we were still in with a league chance I would not have cared if we were beat. There are only two things that matter to the big 4 the League and the Champions League.
I cannot understand this attitude at all. Winning is winning. Sure there is a pecking order of trophies, but winning the league cup gave the Chelsea players the belief (And the feeling) that they had a squad to lift silverware. It bred 2 premierships, another LC, and a FA Cup! You'd think that Liverpool were coming down with trophies every season!
Liverpool have actually been winning trophies pretty regularly since the millennium. Except the league title that is.
FA cup is nice to win and your interest in it perks up if you go past a few rounds but when you see teams like Everton and Blackburn (sides who could potentially win the thing) put out makeshift teams in it you can see why it's not what it once was.
It aint that long ago that we were glad to be winning FA cups!! And it could be that way again for quite some time after what was seen today. As i said before bar Torres that was the best team we could have fielded, so we can stop this talk about a weak team being put out today!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:11:09 AM
It aint that long ago that we were glad to be winning FA cups!! And it could be that way again for quite some time after what was seen today. As i said before bar Torres that was the best team we could have fielded
Gerrard?
Not that it matters really. The team that took the field should still have been goood enough.
Sorry bar Torres and injurys.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 06, 2008, 11:35:52 PM
QuoteSomeone got stuck into me a while back for saying the League Cup is worthless well guess what the FA Cup is worthless too. If we were still in with a league chance I would not have cared if we were beat. There are only two things that matter to the big 4 the League and the Champions League.
I cannot understand this attitude at all. Winning is winning. Sure there is a pecking order of trophies, but winning the league cup gave the Chelsea players the belief (And the feeling) that they had a squad to lift silverware. It bred 2 premierships, another LC, and a FA Cup! You'd think that Liverpool were coming down with trophies every season!
To me, winning the FA Cup would mean very little at all. Even the Champions League would be a consolation prize, even given the fact that I couldn't have envisioned Liverpool being in any kind of position to even think about winning it up to four years ago. Were any of the Liverpool fans here anywhere near as excited when Liverpool reached the final last year, as they were in 2005? Liverpool have proven that they are well capable of winning those trophies, but they are still well short of winning the league, so, for the moment at least, they appear to have reached some kind of impasse. Whether they can get past that under Benitez remains to be seen, but a serious league challenge is the only thing that would satisfy me, in terms of making further progress. In the absense of progress in the league, the FA Cup would signify nothing more than they are treading water. It would be like Houllier expecting to stay on in 2004, just because he had manage to scrape the last champions league spot - it was the very, very least he should have been achieving. And spare us the arrogant Liverpool fan stuff - any fan of United, Arsenal and, lately, Chelsea would say the same about their clubs. The same goes for the leading clubs in the other major European leagues.
To change sports, in retrospect, what actual worth is attached to Donegal's league win last year? Yes, at the time, it was exciting, even if our county did appear to be taking more seriously than others, but the gloss was taken off it when the team fell apart in the summer, when the serious prizes were up for grabs. I couldn't be arsed about the league this year, except to the extent that I hope it doesn't go so badly as to end in relegation and completely torpedo confidence going into the championship. Winning consolation prizes are fine in themselves, but serious self-respect and the respect of others can only be earned by competing when the major prizes are there to be won. I'll take a decent championship run over a league win any day.
QuoteAsk City or Everton which is more important finishing fifth or winning the FA Cup and they will say fifth.
Do you think? I'd say Everton an City fans would take the Cup over 5th spot. Any 'non big 4' fans want to comment??
QuoteWhether they can get past that under Benitez remains to be seen, but a serious league challenge is the only thing that would satisfy me, in terms of making further progress.
So essentially if Liverpool win the FA Cup and come 4th this year, you will say that they are going backwards?
QuoteAnd spare us the arrogant Liverpool fan stuff - any fan of United, Arsenal and, lately, Chelsea would say the same about their clubs.
As I said there is a pecking order of trophies, but I would never turn my nose up at ANY trophy. Maybe that's just me.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 07, 2008, 10:38:42 AM
QuoteAsk City or Everton which is more important finishing fifth or winning the FA Cup and they will say fifth.
Do you think? I'd say Everton an City fans would take the Cup over 5th spot. Any 'non big 4' fans want to comment??
QuoteWhether they can get past that under Benitez remains to be seen, but a serious league challenge is the only thing that would satisfy me, in terms of making further progress.
So essentially if Liverpool win the FA Cup and come 4th this year, you will say that they are going backwards?
QuoteAnd spare us the arrogant Liverpool fan stuff - any fan of United, Arsenal and, lately, Chelsea would say the same about their clubs.
As I said there is a pecking order of trophies, but I would never turn my nose up at ANY trophy. Maybe that's just me.
Stagnating would be the term i would use.
Anyone else fed up with the current fad of - they don't want to win this trophy - they want to win this one?
Utter bollix imo. If it's there to win you try and win it.
I would say at this stage of the season both Everton and more so City have their eye on forth spot in the League and Liverpool would need to tighten up if they are to claim it. It would be some disaster if Liverpool did not make CL next year and I think it is a very real possibilty.... :o
I seen the last 25 minutes of the game yesterday and I thought L'pool were just awful...no amount of excuses covers the absence of quality in that team
Bring back Souness........
Liverpool were absolutely woeful and Luton fully deserved the draw. I've been a pro-benitez man all along but I cant believe he left kuyt on for 90mins of that game and stuck him out on the right wing!!! That said the players need to take a long hard look at themselves - there was enough quality in the team to beat Luton but bar carragher, there seemed to be no leadership whatsoever. very disappointed with the likes of alonso who should have the ability to control the midfield v teams like Luton.
as for the argument surrounding the worthiness of the FA cup. It's one of the few competitions we lag behind the other English teams, in terms of qty won, so for that reason alone it'd be great to win. It's the 2nd best domestic trophy and since the Premier League is out of reach, it'd be great to win it.
As for the inabilty to compete in the PL, unfortunately until the yanks open the wallets further, we'll never compete with the top 3 (and im sorry but even though the top 4 get CL qualification, in the PL there are only 3 top teams, the others are playing catchup). We need another 2-3 players in the Torres class (and cost!!) before having a panel capable of competing with utd, arsenal & chelsea. and from the sounds of the financial state of the club, that aint gonna to happen too quickly...
Interesting this as if Benitez was going to get the bullet either now or in the Summer you imagine he wouldn't be getting any money to spend.
Liverpool prepare to splash record £6.5m for defender Skrtel
Jan 7 2008
Martin Skrtel
LIVERPOOL are set to break their transfer record for a defender by paying £6.5m for Slovak international centre back Martin Skrtel.
The Zenit St Petersburg star arrived on Merseyside last night ahead of a medical today and the club are confident the deal will be finalised within the next 48 hours.
Chief executive Rick Parry thrashed out a deal with Zenit officials during talks in Russia at the weekend.
Skrtel is rated as one of the most promising defenders in European football and Liverpool have had to beat off competition from some of the continent's top clubs to set up the deal.
Should the transfer go through as expected it will mark the end of Rafa Benitez's search for a new centre-half that began with the ultimately unsuccessful pursuit of Gabriel Heinze and which became increasingly urgent in recent weeks following injuries to both Daniel Agger and Sami Hyypia.
Skrtel is a 23-year-old full Slovak international with 15 caps to his name.
He joined Zenit in 2004 and has gone on to make more than 100 appearances in the Russian league.
Standing 6 ft 4 ins tall, Skrtel has a reputation as a no-nonsense defender who does not shy away from the physical side of the game.
With Agger – who was named Denmark's player of the year at the weekend – still not ready to make his return to first team action after suffering a metatarsal injury last September, Benitez has been short of cover at centre back for several months.
That situation worsened recently when Hyypia picked up an ankle injury at Derby County on Boxing Day, leaving Benitez with only Alvaro Arbeloa, a full-back, and teenager Jack Hobbs as his options to partner Jamie Carragher in the centre of defence.
Benitez will be keen to see the deal for Skrtel tied up as quickly as possible so he can be added to the Liverpool squad, possibly even in time for the trip to Middlesbrough on Saturday.
Quote from: Chrisowc on January 07, 2008, 11:31:30 AM
Anyone else fed up with the current fad of - they don't want to win this trophy - they want to win this one?
Utter bollix imo. If it's there to win you try and win it.
Totally agree with you
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 07, 2008, 10:38:42 AM
QuoteAsk City or Everton which is more important finishing fifth or winning the FA Cup and they will say fifth.
Do you think? I'd say Everton an City fans would take the Cup over 5th spot. Any 'non big 4' fans want to comment??
I agree with you,I would reckon Everton/Man City fans would rather win FA Cup than finish 5th..If I'm not mistaken winning the FA Cup guarantees a UEFA Cup place same as 5th place so wouldn't be better to win something and qualify for UEFA Cup than finish 5th win nothing and qualify for UEFA Cup
QuoteQuote from: The Real Laoislad on January 07, 2008, 04:00:53 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 07, 2008, 10:38:42 AM
QuoteAsk City or Everton which is more important finishing fifth or winning the FA Cup and they will say fifth.
Do you think? I'd say Everton an City fans would take the Cup over 5th spot. Any 'non big 4' fans want to comment??
I agree with you,I would reckon Everton/Man City fans would rather win FA Cup than finish 5th..If I'm not mistaken winning the FA Cup guarantees a UEFA Cup place same as 5th place so wouldn't be better to win something and qualify for UEFA Cup than finish 5th win nothing and qualify for UEFA Cup
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Ha ha...Never thought of that...but validates my point!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 07, 2008, 12:49:29 PM
Interesting this as if Benitez was going to get the bullet either now or in the Summer you imagine he wouldn't be getting any money to spend.
Liverpool prepare to splash record £6.5m for defender Skrtel
Jan 7 2008
Martin Skrtel
LIVERPOOL are set to break their transfer record for a defender by paying £6.5m for Slovak international centre back Martin Skrtel.
The Zenit St Petersburg star arrived on Merseyside last night ahead of a medical today and the club are confident the deal will be finalised within the next 48 hours.
Chief executive Rick Parry thrashed out a deal with Zenit officials during talks in Russia at the weekend.
Skrtel is rated as one of the most promising defenders in European football and Liverpool have had to beat off competition from some of the continent's top clubs to set up the deal.
Should the transfer go through as expected it will mark the end of Rafa Benitez's search for a new centre-half that began with the ultimately unsuccessful pursuit of Gabriel Heinze and which became increasingly urgent in recent weeks following injuries to both Daniel Agger and Sami Hyypia.
Skrtel is a 23-year-old full Slovak international with 15 caps to his name.
He joined Zenit in 2004 and has gone on to make more than 100 appearances in the Russian league.
Standing 6 ft 4 ins tall, Skrtel has a reputation as a no-nonsense defender who does not shy away from the physical side of the game.
With Agger – who was named Denmark's player of the year at the weekend – still not ready to make his return to first team action after suffering a metatarsal injury last September, Benitez has been short of cover at centre back for several months.
That situation worsened recently when Hyypia picked up an ankle injury at Derby County on Boxing Day, leaving Benitez with only Alvaro Arbeloa, a full-back, and teenager Jack Hobbs as his options to partner Jamie Carragher in the centre of defence.
Benitez will be keen to see the deal for Skrtel tied up as quickly as possible so he can be added to the Liverpool squad, possibly even in time for the trip to Middlesbrough on Saturday.
This sounds promising. Let's hope Utd dont hijack this lad from us, like they did when they signed Vidic at the 11th hour - he was just about to sign for Liverpool at the time.
Anyway, by the sounds of Skrtel, it's still essential Agger gets back asap - he's the only Liverpool defender who can play the ball out of defence with real purpose. His absence has really hurt the team.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 07, 2008, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on January 07, 2008, 11:31:30 AM
Anyone else fed up with the current fad of - they don't want to win this trophy - they want to win this one?
Utter bollix imo. If it's there to win you try and win it.
Totally agree with you
Yes, you try to win it, but the point is that winning it won't, in itself, represent progress. The best teams win, or at least seriously challenge, for the league title. That is the standard by which Liverpool managers and teams have been judged since Shankly rebuilt the club in the early 60s. Everything else is window dressing.
The financial gains would be better finishing fifth than winning the FA Cup so finishing fifth is the better option.
I agree if your in it try to win , but the fact is teams don't try to win them becuase if they did they would play there strongest 11 in League Cup/ FA Cup which again does not happen anymore. When Sheffield United play a B side in the FA Cup third round it says alot.
I'll be the first to jump in now- I'm bored with Benitez, did great in the cup competitions but I'm not sure that he sees the big picture in English league football, or that he can do enough to persuade the Hicks/Gilette axis of evil that he deserves more cash for better players.
I'd be happy enough to see him go come the summer.
I'm open to suggestions about who can do a job though. Martin O Neill would be my first choice, Jose and coat of many colours would be fit for it, but I'd say he'd need big commitments in writing from the septics before he'd go for it. Any other decent managers out there?
Quote from: heganboy on January 07, 2008, 09:20:45 PM
I'll be the first to jump in now- I'm bored with Benitez, did great in the cup competitions but I'm not sure that he sees the big picture in English league football, or that he can do enough to persuade the Hicks/Gilette axis of evil that he deserves more cash for better players.
I'd be happy enough to see him go come the summer.
I'm open to suggestions about who can do a job though. Martin O Neill would be my first choice, Jose and coat of many colours would be fit for it, but I'd say he'd need big commitments in writing from the septics before he'd go for it. Any other decent managers out there?
Starting to feel the same way myself,And not jumping on a bandwagon i posted that a few months back too....
As for managers..Klinsman was decent enough with Germany was he ever with a club?
What about Paul Jewell? He's a scouser and im sure if a offer came in he wouldn't hesitate in leaving Derby..
I doubt O'Neill will leave Villa and really is he that good?
Fair enough he done well at Celtic but i'd fancy my chances as Celtic manager because really that League is only about winning the 4 old firm games as the other teams are pure dung...
Look at Souness he won all around him at Rangers and wasn't a success at Liverpool,Blackburn or Newcastle
My choice would be and i haven't heard his name been mentioned yet is Carlo Ancelotti of AC Milan...But the chances of getting him are slim i would imagine
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 07, 2008, 10:02:00 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 07, 2008, 09:20:45 PM
I'll be the first to jump in now- I'm bored with Benitez, did great in the cup competitions but I'm not sure that he sees the big picture in English league football, or that he can do enough to persuade the Hicks/Gilette axis of evil that he deserves more cash for better players.
I'd be happy enough to see him go come the summer.
I'm open to suggestions about who can do a job though. Martin O Neill would be my first choice, Jose and coat of many colours would be fit for it, but I'd say he'd need big commitments in writing from the septics before he'd go for it. Any other decent managers out there?
Starting to feel the same way myself,And not juming on a bandwagon i posted that a few months back too....
As for managers..Klinsman was decent enough with Germany was he ever with a club?
What about Paul Jewell? He's a scouser and im sure if a offer came in he wouldn't hesitate in leaving Derby..
I doubt O'Neill will leave Villa and really is he that good?
Fair enough he done well at Celtic but i'd fancy my chances as Celtic manager because really that League is only about winning the 4 old firm games as the other teams are pure dung...
Look at Souness he won all around him at Rangers and wasn't a success at Liverpool,Blackburn or Newcastle
My choice would be and i haven't heard his name been mentioned yet is Carlo Ancelotti of AC Milan...But the chances of getting him are slim i would imagine
I would take Mourinho as first choice but it wont happen, dunno about Klinsmann. He was in charge of a team on home soil at World Cup, can you really draw a lot from that? O Neill would not be capable of a job like Liverpool/United in my humble opinion.
I would agree with Minder regarding O'Neill...As for Jose..The thing is he wouldn't have the same money he had with Chelsea to buy players but then he did win Champs League with FC Porto so he obviously is a good manager who can win things with little money...
I'd still have Ancelotti as my number 1 choice and Jose my number 2 choice and Brian Cody my number 3 :D
QuoteI agree if your in it try to win , but the fact is teams don't try to win them becuase if they did they would play there strongest 11 in League Cup/ FA Cup which again does not happen anymore.
Most teams will generally field a team that they think is good enough to beat their opponents on the day. They try to conserve a star or two but still get by. Look at the Everton team on Saturday who should've beat Oldham, but Cahill was injured (I think), Arteta suspended, and Lescott was on the bench. They still should've had enough to beat them. Blackburn fielded what looks like to me their strongest 11 (Santa cruz) injured. The Liverpool side that drew yesterday was picked to win. Minus Torres and Gerard who were rested/injured they still, I believe, went out to win.
Have to disagree about O Neill. I think he done a great job with Celtic and has impressed me alot with his management of a poor Aston Villa squad!
Like the sound of this defender, think the Americans even seen the need for one!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article662037.ece (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article662037.ece)
Carragher in hot water. Banter is one thing, but apparently those 'fans' throw 'liquid' at him too. Hate fans that give abuse and then e.g. the recipient scores and celebrates in front of them. Next thing you know the poor fecker is being done for inciting a riot!
Defoe told he can leave the Spuds, we could do a lot worse.......
and Juve interested in sissoko. things looking up...
Juventus declare serious interest in out-of favour Sissoko
Paolo Menicucci Milan and Louise Taylor
Tuesday January 8, 2008
The Guardian
Juventus's coach, Claudio Ranieri, has admitted an interest in signing Liverpool's out-of-favour midfielder Momo Sissoko. "I had the pleasure to coach him at Valencia and I like him a lot," the former Chelsea manager said yesterday. "I know him very well. He is a great player."
Juve are third in Serie A despite the disappointing performances of their summer signings Tiago Mendes and Sergio Almirón, and Ranieri is eager to bring in reinforcements. Sissoko, 23 this month, has appeared nine times in the Premier League this season, 12 times in all competitions. Internazionale had also expressed an interest in the former Auxerre player but have turned their attentions elsewhere, to Atlético Madrid's Maniche.
QuoteCarragher in hot water. Banter is one thing, but apparently those 'fans' throw 'liquid' at him too. Hate fans that give abuse and then e.g. the recipient scores and celebrates in front of them. Next thing you know the poor fecker is being done for inciting a riot!
Agrreed Norf. Fans give the worst abuse that could possibly come out of their mouths then a player responds and blah blah blah... 'Role Model' ...etc.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2008, 12:11:21 AM
Have to disagree about O Neill. I think he done a great job with Celtic and has impressed me alot with his management of a poor Aston Villa squad!
I watched celtic beating liverpool 2-0 (uefa cup 03) the other day on celtic tv. that celtic team was miles better than the villa team he has now yet villa are still within touching distance of fourth spot. people keep knocking the SPL but they also forget the scalps he took in europe. he took celtic to a uefa cup final - only 3 premiership sides have reached the uefa cup final since english teams were allowed back in europe in 1990. he knocked barcelona out of europe and also beat the likes of juventus, ajax, valencia, porto & lyon. there were also respectable draws with bayern and milan. although he didnt reach the last 16 of the champions league it was more to do with cruel luck than anything else. if o'neill was in charge of a top four side he would do very well.
As some one else said earlier, to talk of a top 4 is not really representative of the premiership at the minute. To put Liverpool in the same bracket as Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea is just wrong. They are in the same bracket as Man City, Villa and Everton. I know the top four thing prob comes from the CL qualification but it seems there is a massive jump from 3rd to 4th and who gets 4th this year is anyones quess!!
Quote from: EC Unique on January 08, 2008, 10:41:47 AM
As some one else said earlier, to talk of a top 4 is not really representative of the premiership at the minute. To put Liverpool in the same bracket as Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea is just wrong. They are in the same bracket as Man City, Villa and Everton. I know the top four thing prob comes from the CL qualification but it seems there is a massive jump from 3rd to 4th and who gets 4th this year is anyones quess!!
Liverpool finished in 3rd above Arsenal last season and were in the Champions League final. Arsenal haven't won a trophy in 3 years so by that logic neither should Arsenal be in the Big 4. Liverpool win their game in hand and they are 3 points behind Chelsea so they are hardly miles behind 3rd position at present.
Also Liverpool have won the last two European trophies (barring Newcastle's Intertoto win :P) and the only English winners this century /millenium (take your pick) and won 5 in all (only bettered by Milan and Real) so maybe they should be called the "Big 1" :)
They'll be the big one all right when they finish outside CL qualification. The one big english fish in the uefa cup pond.
The reporting about Liverpool and comments on phone-ins and message boards are getting hysterical.
Radio 1 said yesterday the biggest shock of the 3rd Round was Liverpool's 1-1 draw with Luton.
Ian Mcgarry of the Daily Mail said on 5 live that Rafa's record in the FA Cup was attrocious apart from winning it that is.
FFS!
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 12:13:56 PM
They'll be the big one all right when they finish outside CL qualification. The one big english fish in the uefa cup pond.
You were badly missed during your hiatus....
Quote from: Chrisowc on January 08, 2008, 12:16:09 PM
The reporting about Liverpool and comments on phone-ins and message boards are getting hysterical.
Radio 1 said yesterday the biggest shock of the 3rd Round was Liverpool's 1-1 draw with Luton.
Yeah some of the reporting around the club is getting ridiculous. Definitely a little campaign underway to stir trouble in the media. While it was a shite performance against Luton how can it compare to Everton getting beaten at home or Blackburn getting thrashed at home?
Martin Skrtel to sign for Liverpool after passing medicalJan 8 2008
by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo
MARTIN SKRTEL has moved a step closer to becoming the most expensive defender in Liverpool history after passing his medical.
A club record £6.5m fee has been agreed with Skrtel's club, Zenit St Petersburg, and personal terms have been agreed with the player.
Skrtel is now waiting for the deal to be rubber stamped by Liverpool's owners.
The Slovakia international centre back is Rafa Benitez's top target for the January transfer window and the Reds boss is looking to get the transfer wrapped up as quickly as possible so he can incorporate Skrtel into the Liverpool squad.
With Daniel Agger still continuing his rehabilitation from a broken metatarsal, Benitez has been short of cover at centre back for several months and was keen to add competition for places to such a crucial position.
If the 23-year-old completes his move today he is likely to go straight into the squad for Liverpool's trip to Middlesbrough on Saturday.
Fabio Aurelio has been ruled out of that fixture with a minor hamstring injury and the Brazilian today admitted he is becoming increasingly frustrated with the succession of injuries which have blighted his Anfield career.
"It's a pity I've had to stop again because I was feeling good," he said. "It's normal after a long injury to pick up little problems when you come back but, hopefully, I will only miss one league game and be back for the Aston Villa game the following week.
"I've spent a long time out and it's very difficult to explain how frustrating it's been."
As one player is about to arrive at Anfield another could be about to depart.
Juventus are the latest club to register an interest in out of favour Liverpool midfielder Momo Sissoko, with coach Claudio Ranieri hinting the Mali international is a player he would be keen to snap up.
"He is a player that I like a lot and I know well," he said. "I had the pleasure of coaching him at Valencia."
Inter Milan are also interested in signing Sissoko but as yet neither Serie A club has turned their interest into a concrete offer.
Meanwhile, chief executive Rick Parry was today meeting Tom Hicks and George Gillett in New York in a bid to bring Liverpool's long running new stadium saga to a positive conclusion.
After plans for a 76,000 capacity ground on Stanley Park were abandoned last month, Hicks and Gillett instructed two leading firms of architects to come up with new designs.
Dallas-based HKS and Manchester firm AFL have both produced their proposals and it is now up to the owners to decide which one they wish to pursue
It's the Big 3 because Liverpool have never won the Preimiership whereas Man U, Chelsea & Arsenal have all won it more than once.
Until we win a Preimiership we will be sucking the hind tit. This year is gone because all of the Big 3 are not going to fall away leaving the way open for Liverpool. Saying "If we win our game in hand we are only 3 pts behind Chelsea" is pointless. Firstly I wouldn't bet on us beating anyone in the that game in hand and secondly 3 pts behind Chelsea and 9 behind Arsenal is still 4th plave and nowhere near good enough.
Time for change at the top IMO but I wouldn't be surprised if those Yanks left before Rafa BTW. The weak $ and credit crush is hurting them big time and they may move on leaving the way open for owners who know something about football to take over.
Quote from: Silky on January 08, 2008, 12:28:39 PM
It's the Big 3 because Liverpool have never won the Preimiership whereas Man U, Chelsea & Arsenal have all won it more than once.
exactly. and we havent come within an ass's roar of winning the top league in 17, going on 18 years. When I say the top 3, I mean the only 3 teams capable of winning the PL. Yes we won the champs lge in '05, and took big scalps along the way, but looking back on it now - with the likes of traore, kewell, smicer, biscan & cisse in the team, i still cant believe we won it.
The top 3 have invested heavily for many years now and we are playing catchup big time. Is benitez the man to bring PL glory?? I thought so originally but Im becoming less & less convinced. It was his tactics/selections, and not funding, that cost us vital points againt Portsmouth, Reading & Wigan - could easily have got an extra 7 extra points from those matches and be right in contention.
The only thing is - if Rafa got the boot, could we be in danger of losing reina, alonso & torres???
If I was picking the team today, and trying to keep this settled as possible for the entire run in it would be 4-5-1 or 3-5-2 against the weaker teams.
4-5-1 would be
Reina
Finnan
Carra
Agger
Riise
Babbel
Masherano
Alonso
Gerrard
Benayoun
Torres
Gerrard wouldn't play as an 'off the front man' striker, that doesn't seem to suit him. Instead I'd play him as an auxilliary central midfielder, with instructions to arrive late into the box. It would also allow him a bit of space to play passes for Torres. Torres likes those passes where he can spin away from his man and run onto it. Alonso and Mascherano could then control the tempo (namely pass it to a red jersey and make themselves available to receive easy passes from defenders)
3-5-2 for games v Fulham, Wigan, Birmingham etc etc would be
Reina
Carra
Agger
Arbeloa
Babbel
Mascherano
Alonso
Gerrrard
Benayoun
Torres
Crouch
Same midfield formation but Arbeloa in for Finnan, because Arbeloa can play a bit more 'tucked in' than Finnan. Crouch comes on for Riise because he can add something different. In those games where the opposition are packing the midfield.
For Rafa's 'rotation' then you could substitute Kewell for Benayoun, Pennant for Babbel, this new hulk for Agger or Carra, and Kuyt (God help us) for Crouch. But whatever happens, In all the league games between now and May, I think they *have* to play Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard and Torres.
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Gerrard can follow those? :D
AZ I said that they should play that formation last year (3-5-2) and my mind has not changed on that. I think that to get the best out of the players available that has to be done.
I have been a Rafa backer for a long time and I still think he can do it. The biggest change that is needed is not on the field but on the sideline. They need to get a replacement for Pako as he was, in my view, the players man and had their respect. They need someone in who can rebuild that link and get the confidence again.
One small adjustment I might make to that line up at 3-5-2 is that I would play Lucas in CMF and push Babbel up with Torres with Gerard on the right.
I would also like to see Lucas get more gametime..Not convinced about Babel though
3-5-2 will get the job done against weaker opposition but is too exposed for games against top opposition or european games.
babel hasn't convinced at all, nor has vorinin but benyhoun (sp) has done very well.
btw there are better things to do with £17m than buying Mascherano (who i was a huge fan of playing in s america).
I have no problem keeping Mascherano (who has probably been our best player in the past month) if we get rid of Sissoko for 10M. If we leave him go you can be sure one of the big European clubs or united will quickly jump in there. Basically selling Sissoko and Carson lets you keep Mascherano.
If any of our central midfielders hasn't been performing over the past 18 months (apart from Sissoko) it's Alonso IMO.
I agree Uladh, I would only play the 3-5-2 in games where LFC would be expected to win, but face teams hard to break down. Games against United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter Milan, and a few others, especially away, I would play the 4-5-1 variation.
The key thing for me is that LFC need to start being more controlled in their play, and creating more chances. For that I would demand a 3 man midfield, with 2 wide players, and either 1 or 2 up top depending on the game. Alonso and Mascherano need to take more responsibility for demanding the ball, and passing it to a team mate. Just keep things ticking over. Then let Gerrard, the two wingers and Torres or Torres and Crouch come up with the goals.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2008, 01:00:03 PM
3-5-2 for games v Fulham, Wigan, Birmingham etc etc would be
Reina
Carra
Agger
Arbeloa
Babbel
Mascherano
Alonso
Gerrrard
Benayoun
Torres
Crouch
Same midfield formation but Arbeloa in for Finnan, because Arbeloa can play a bit more 'tucked in' than Finnan. Crouch comes on for Riise because he can add something different. In those games where the opposition are packing the midfield.
For Rafa's 'rotation' then you could substitute Kewell for Benayoun, Pennant for Babbel, this new hulk for Agger or Carra, and Kuyt (God help us) for Crouch. But whatever happens, In all the league games between now and May, I think they *have* to play Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard and Torres.
I would love to play against a Liverpool team lined out like that for 2 reasons.
Firstly, the wing-backs in a conventional 3-5-2 would have to be capable of defending and attacking in equal measure. I don't think Benayoun or Babbel would have the positional sense or the desire to make tackles when the role required them to be a full-back.
Secondly, no English team has been successful with a 3-5-2 and it is now a dated formation, even the Germans have abandoned it. This is probably because it is one of the easiest formations for the opposition to expolit. All you need is 2 pacy wide men to get in behind the wingbacks and you are in trouble. The 4-4-1-1 formation seems to be the flavour of the month but finding the player to play the split striker is is the problem.
Great Leap Forward, as I've said a couple of times now, I would only be using this formation in games where you are playing inferior, defensive minded opposition who are looking to 'keep it tight' and get a 0-0.
There are weaknesses in every system, but if you played 3-5-2 against a weaker team, you should at least create a few chances.
I mentioned that I would prefer 4-5-1 with Finnan and Riise in for Arbeloa and Crouch in the games where you know you are going to be doing a bit of defending and possibly barely breaking even in terms of possession.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2008, 01:54:37 PM
I agree Uladh, I would only play the 3-5-2 in games where LFC would be expected to win, but face teams hard to break down. Games against United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter Milan, and a few others, especially away, I would play the 4-5-1 variation.
The key thing for me is that LFC need to start being more controlled in their play, and creating more chances. For that I would demand a 3 man midfield, with 2 wide players, and either 1 or 2 up top depending on the game. Alonso and Mascherano need to take more responsibility for demanding the ball, and passing it to a team mate. Just keep things ticking over. Then let Gerrard, the two wingers and Torres or Torres and Crouch come up with the goals.
If the stats and Benitez are to be belived Liverpool have more shots on goal/target than any other Premiership team this season..
I think the problem is not that we're not creating enough chances it's the finishing thats the problem..
Without Gerrard or Torres there is no one to put the ball in the back of the net
No way Laoislad. I don't care what the stats say. Probably Stevie G shooting from 40 yards out counts as a shot on goal. We are still not making enough clearcut chances. Against United, for example, LFC huffed and puffed for 90 minutes, and apart from Van der Saars Saint Vincent de Paul impressions, we never looked like scoring.
It has changed a bit against very poor teams alright. We created chances against Marseille, Besiktas, Derby and co. But against good teams, we don't do enough.
Or the quality of the chances? nonsense pot shots from 35 yards still count as a shot on target, as do most of crouch's powder puff headers.
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Or the quality of the chances? nonsense pot shots from 35 yards still count as a shot on target, as do most of crouch's powder puff headers.
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
You think Hargreaves is better than Mascherano?
Still don't think we have enough goalscorers in the team regardless of how many chances we are/aren't creating..
And there was games against bigger teams where there was plenty of chances and none converted..Even against Luton on sunday there was chances galore..Same with the Spurs match and even the Arsenal game and the Chelsea game at the start of the season..
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
i rate Mascherano and for me, the jury is still out on whether hargreaves is the better player or not. However, when Utd signed hargreaves, was there any question about the player being too expensive?? of course not - they simply wanted the player and payed the price. and thats the mentality that the Liverpool owners need to get - Mascherano is a quality player and they should pay up. simple as that.
QuoteEven against Luton on sunday there was chances galore
Chances galore? I saw maybe 2. Against a League 1 side. Even our goal wasn't creativity, it was fluke.
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 08, 2008, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
i rate Mascherano and for me, the jury is still out on whether hargreaves is the better player or not. However, when Utd signed hargreaves, was there any question about the player being too expensive?? of course not - they simply wanted the player and payed the price. and thats the mentality that the Liverpool owners need to get - Mascherano is a quality player and they should pay up. simple as that.
Well that much is true. If United want a player they have no hesistation in paying the going rate while Liverpool have to look at balancing the books. Eg, to buy Mascherano they'll need to sell Sissoko/Carson.
By the way Laoislad, if your argument is that we need another top quality striker, then you won't find me disagreeing with you. What I'm trying to say is that with what we have at the moment, we are not creating enough.
I'd love Liverpool to get Anelka or Berbatov or something, but it's not going to happen.
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If we got €15M for Momo I'd drive him to Italy myself.
Is that still in Lira?? :D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 08, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Or the quality of the chances? nonsense pot shots from 35 yards still count as a shot on target, as do most of crouch's powder puff headers.
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
You think Hargreaves is better than Mascherano?
of course. you don't?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2008, 02:46:46 PM
By the way Laoislad, if your argument is that we need another top quality striker, then you won't find me disagreeing with you. What I'm trying to say is that with what we have at the moment, we are not creating enough.
I'd love Liverpool to get Anelka or Berbatov or something, but it's not going to happen.
Im not arguing with anyone,Just think there is plenty of chances being created and they are not being put away....
Besitaks away,Luton,Chelsea,Spurs,Reading,even against United there was two very scorable chances created,yes you will say two isn't enough in any match but whats the point of creating all these chances that you wish for when there is nobody there to score them bar Torres/Gerrard..What happens if either one or both aren't playing ?
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 08, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Or the quality of the chances? nonsense pot shots from 35 yards still count as a shot on target, as do most of crouch's powder puff headers.
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
You think Hargreaves is better than Mascherano?
of course. you don't?
No I doubt most people would either. If you were to go around to managers all over Europe I think I'd know which one would be more in demand and it wouldn't be the Canadian.
In fairness Hargreaves is a bit better going forward (even though he's unlikely to ever hurt you with his passing) but isn't in the same class as Mascherano as a holding midfielder. Kaka spent the CL final last May getting hunted down by Mascherano at every turn. Barely getting a kick. Mascherano taken off and suddenly Kaka is popping up everywhere making passes and running the show. Could Hargreaves do a similiar job? I doubt he could do it as efficiently.
Not that Hargreaves is a bad player but as a sitting midfielder Mascherano is better. Hargreaves of course though can take corners and the odd free-kick which Mascherano can't.
I'd agree, for the job that they were bought for I would pick Masch over Hargreaves every day of the week.
Laoislad, of course you need someone to stick them away, but with Torres there, and we have to assume he will be there, you must create more chances. If we were creating 7 or 8 clear cut chances a game, and not taking them, then that would be a different matter. If you are creating 1 or 2 every game, then the pressure on Torres to score is immense, and if Torres is playing, then we are unlikely to score.
Remember Andy 'Andrew' Cole with United? He must have had one of the worst goals to chances ratios ever, but he still scored a hatful because United created a ton of chances. If Liverpool were playing fluid, attacking football, then even the likes of Kuyt would score double figures easily.
I'd love another top class striker, but no matter how many top class strikers you have, if you only create 2 chances per game, the most you can expect is 1 goal. That's not enough. Create 8 and score 3. Much better :D
As for your litany of 'chances' created, I afraid I didn't see many clear cut chances in those games. The chances against United had hardly anything to do with Liverpool's creativity. We created nothing that day. Liverpool are relying on Gerrard to score through his drive, or Torres through his class. Then when they are 2 up, the likes of Kuyt and Babel can score the odd one.
That's not good enough in my opinion. And the way they are playing, if they signed Berbatov in the morning, I still wouldn't fancy them to start scoring 2,3 and 4 regularly.
AZ i see what your saying and we all want Liverpool to start winning/scoring etc. But i really don't think it's a bad as your saying regarding chances created..
There has been numerous fluffed chances this year,Loads of occasions when the ball went anywhere but into the back of the net..
We simply don't have anyone bar the two i mentioned to score goals regularly..
I do agree though we need other personal other than a top striker as i don't think Babel is up to it and Benayoun plays in patches and we won't even get into talking about mad Harry :-\..
I suppose really we are both right in what we are saying and the bottom line is Liverpool need a few more quality players to compete at the level we need to be in contention for the Premiership
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 08, 2008, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 08, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Or the quality of the chances? nonsense pot shots from 35 yards still count as a shot on target, as do most of crouch's powder puff headers.
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
You think Hargreaves is better than Mascherano?
of course. you don't?
No I doubt most people would either. If you were to go around to managers all over Europe I think I'd know which one would be more in demand and it wouldn't be the Canadian.
In fairness Hargreaves is a bit better going forward (even though he's unlikely to ever hurt you with his passing) but isn't in the same class as Mascherano as a holding midfielder. Kaka spent the CL final last May getting hunted down by Mascherano at every turn. Barely getting a kick. Mascherano taken off and suddenly Kaka is popping up everywhere making passes and running the show. Could Hargreaves do a similiar job? I doubt he could do it as efficiently.
Not that Hargreaves is a bad player but as a sitting midfielder Mascherano is better. Hargreaves of course though can take corners and the odd free-kick which Mascherano can't.
I'm astonished that anyone (not really on this thread especially) would think mascherano does a better job than hargreaves. hargreaves protects the back four equall as well if not better than mascherano
and can actually give it to teammate when he wins it. hargreaves also has superior pace, fitness and energy. its not even a contest. i'd put mascherano on a par with carrick or sissoko.
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 08, 2008, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 08, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Or the quality of the chances? nonsense pot shots from 35 yards still count as a shot on target, as do most of crouch's powder puff headers.
Mascherano hasn't turned out to be as polished as i'd expected. as good as he is at breaking up play, his capacity to keep posession has disappointed. hargreaves was the better option for the same money.
You think Hargreaves is better than Mascherano?
of course. you don't?
No I doubt most people would either. If you were to go around to managers all over Europe I think I'd know which one would be more in demand and it wouldn't be the Canadian.
In fairness Hargreaves is a bit better going forward (even though he's unlikely to ever hurt you with his passing) but isn't in the same class as Mascherano as a holding midfielder. Kaka spent the CL final last May getting hunted down by Mascherano at every turn. Barely getting a kick. Mascherano taken off and suddenly Kaka is popping up everywhere making passes and running the show. Could Hargreaves do a similiar job? I doubt he could do it as efficiently.
Not that Hargreaves is a bad player but as a sitting midfielder Mascherano is better. Hargreaves of course though can take corners and the odd free-kick which Mascherano can't.
I'm astonished that anyone (not really on this thread especially) would think mascherano does a better job than hargreaves. hargreaves protects the back four equall as well if not better than mascherano and can actually give it to teammate when he wins it. hargreaves also has superior pace, fitness and energy. its not even a contest. i'd put mascherano on a par with carrick or sissoko.
I don't particularly rate Hargreaves. Decent player with a good engine but nothing special. Your lad Anderson I would rate higher even if he's a bit raw yet.
As I said put Hargreaves and Mascherano on the open market and see who attracts the most interest. I think we all know the answer to that one.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 08, 2008, 03:24:53 PM
I suppose really we are both right in what we are saying and the bottom line is Liverpool need a few more quality players to compete at the level we need to be in contention for the Premiership
and this is the real crux of the problem. we just havent been buying/been giving the funds to buy enough quality players. now splashing out 6.5m on a new defender is promising and that had to be the priority considering Agger's injury & hyppia's age. sure we'd be totally screwed if carragher got injured/suspended. we need to wrap up the mascherano deal in the summer, get a quality partner for torres (either an attacking midfielder or striker) & also need a full back in the cole/evra/clichy class. then we'll be in a position to challenge and i'd be confident benitez could take that team to a PL title.
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 03:49:06 PM
i'd put mascherano on a par with carrick or sissoko.
FFS, are you for real???
Its not that long ago that Hargreaves was being berated from all quarters before England went to the World Cup..Their was people laughing at the thought of him even being in the England squad..Then because he had a half decent World Cup..which wasn't hard really as i'd have looked good in that England squad suddenly he is a World class player...
I don't see it myself really i think United payed way too much for a player who is no more than above average..certainly not in the same class as Masherano
:D
Mascherano better than hargreaves. you had me going for a bit there lads. next you'll be telling me anyone bar torres would get on the united first xi
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 04:48:10 PM
:D
Mascherano better than hargreaves. you had me going for a bit there lads. next you'll be telling me anyone bar torres would get on the united first xi
Reina,Carra,Alonso,Gerrard would all get on the United team IMHO
VDS
Neville
rio
vidic
evra
CRonaldo
Hargreaves
Scholes
Tevez
Rooney
Torres
Hmm. Interesting statement alright Uladh, and maybe that would be an accurate barometer of where Liverpool need to make up the ground. Assuming 4-4-2
Reina v Van der Saar - i'd say Reina
Finnan v Brown - I'd say Finnan
Carra v Ferdinand - This season, I'd say Ferdinand
Agger v Vidic - Vidic, but Agger is not a million miles away
Riise v Evra - Evra
Benayoun v Ronaldo - Ronaldo
Mascherano v Hargreaves - Close one. I like Mascherano though
Gerrard v Anderson/Carrick - Gerrard
Kewell/Babel v Giggs - Giggs
Rooney v Kuyt - Rooney
Tevez v Torres - Close one, but Torres.
I have it at 5 Liverpool and 6 United in a team of 11. I didn't look at squad though. Even so, I think the difference is in players like Ronaldo, Giggs and Rooney. i.e. the Creative players. I think at the back, and in the centre of midfield it would be close enough, and you could end up with 2 or 3 positions going the other way. Carra v Ferdinand, Torres v Tevez and Masch v Hargreaves for example.
I think the main thing is that United have more options going forward, and have a better squad.
Jaysus, not the XXXX would get in the United team, no they wouldn't, yes they would.
At the end of the day, I wouldn't want any dirty, contaminated, scummy, Manc in our team and I would not wish for any Red to be inflicted to have to wear a the filthy Manc Rag (Even Riise).
You have yours and we'll keep ours, on Doomsday the titles trophies can be counted and the top team will emerge.
Simple as that ;) ;D
PS Masch would eat Hargreaves for Breakfast but would soon spit him out as he'd turn even the stronest stomach the filthy half breed ;)
Quote from: bingobus on January 08, 2008, 05:02:48 PM
At the end of the day, I wouldn't want any dirty, contaminated, scummy, Manc in our team and I would not wish for any Red to be inflicted to have to wear a the filthy Manc Rag (Even Riise).
Says the monaghan man.
goalkeepers are close.
Gerard wouldn't lace scholes' boots.
Consecutive england managers haven't even rated cara in their best 4 centre halves.
i seriously thought ye were jokin abou mascherano. come on lads, he's ahacker.
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 05:09:25 PM
Quote from: bingobus on January 08, 2008, 05:02:48 PM
At the end of the day, I wouldn't want any dirty, contaminated, scummy, Manc in our team and I would not wish for any Red to be inflicted to have to wear a the filthy Manc Rag (Even Riise).
Says the monaghan man.
goalkeepers are close.
Gerard wouldn't lace scholes' boots.
Consecutive england managers haven't even rated cara in their best 4 centre halves.
i seriously thought ye were jokin abou mascherano. come on lads, he's ahacker.
Yeah because they proved what excellent International managers they were by making England into a World Class team... ::)
Thats a ridiculous argument
QuoteConsecutive england managers haven't even rated cara in their best 4 centre halves.
And look how well they've done.
Seriously, soccer, as with most sports is full of opinions. I think Hargreaves is a useful player, but I also think Mascherano is just as good. Certainly Mascherano playing well is a very important player for Liverpool, and that's all that matters at the end of the day.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 08, 2008, 05:04:12 PM
Reina
Finnan
Carra
vidic
evra
CRonaldo
Gerrard
Scholes
Tevez
Rooney
Torres
I think Mascherano is way above Hargreaves but Scholes is better than both
That midfield would get eaten alive, a bit like Spurs under Ossie, "always going forward cause we can't fins reverse, star treking across the universe...."
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 08, 2008, 04:36:15 PM
Its not that long ago that Hargreaves was being berated from all quarters before England went to the World Cup..Their was people laughing at the thought of him even being in the England squad..Then because he had a half decent World Cup..which wasn't hard really as i'd have looked good in that England squad suddenly he is a World class player...
I don't see it myself really i think United payed way too much for a player who is no more than above average..certainly not in the same class as Masherano
In fairness to Hargreaves that was because he was constantly played out of position in fullback, and cos he was a bit of a johnny foreigner. The media jumped on his back and that was it.
I thought he was a very good player when I saw him for Bayern, and was hoping united wouldnt buy him and persist with carrick instead. He is a very good player in my view, unfortunately.
Quote from: bingobus on January 08, 2008, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 08, 2008, 05:04:12 PM
Reina
Finnan
Carra
vidic
evra
CRonaldo
Gerrard
Scholes
Tevez
Rooney
Torres
I think Mascherano is way above Hargreaves but Scholes is better than both
That midfield would get eaten alive, a bit like Spurs under Ossie, "always going forward cause we can't fins reverse, star treking across the universe...."
Yeah maybe...
Who would you drop and replace with who?
Simple put Masch in for Scholes ;D put Scholes in for Gerrard (although he is nearing the end of a great career) and put Gerrard in for Tevez on the right. Tevez can warm the bench with Kuyt, Voronin and David May.
Cant play Scholes and Gerrard so it's bye bye Scholes and in with Masch/Alonso/Hargreaves.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 08, 2008, 05:24:37 PM
Cant play Scholes and Gerrard so it's bye bye Scholes and in with Masch/Alonso/Hargreaves.
Cant play Scholes and Gerrard so it's bye bye Scholes and in with Masch/Alonso/
Hargreaves
pointless exercise this but for what its worth:
reina
finna, rio, vidic, evra
gerard, masch, scholes, ronaldo
rooney, torres
liverpool - 5, utd - 6. you could argue neville v finnan, carragher v rio & hargreaves v mascherano.
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 08, 2008, 07:59:31 PM
pointless exercise this but for what its worth:
reina
finna, rio, vidic, evra
gerard, masch, scholes, ronaldo
rooney, torres
liverpool - 5, utd - 6. you could argue neville v finnan, carragher v rio & hargreaves v mascherano.
No argument regarding Carra v Donkey or Hargreaves v Masch maybe Neville v Finnan could be argued alright
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 08, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
No argument regarding Carra v Donkey....
:D :D :D you're right, dont know why i suggested otherwise......
There we have it. had sven and the rest picked carragher in front of rio, who has been on team of the tournament in the last three major finals, they'd have won.
explains a lot when you look at some of the scouse tinted teams i'm seeing above!
Have we not been down this road a few weeks ago arguing about who would get on a "bst of XI"....? Its pointless.
Quote from: Uladh on January 08, 2008, 09:46:58 PM
There we have it. had sven and the rest picked carragher in front of rio, who has been on team of the tournament in the last three major finals, they'd have won.
explains a lot when you look at some of the scouse tinted teams i'm seeing above!
Are you sure Uladh ???
I took all these off Wiki i can provide links if you want ;)
FIFA World Cup 2002 All Star Team Oliver Kahn
Rüştü Reçber
Roberto Carlos
Sol Campbell
Fernando Hierro
Hong Myung-Bo
Alpay Özalan
Rivaldo
Ronaldinho
Michael Ballack
Yoo Sang-Chul
Claudio Reyna
Ronaldo
Miroslav Klose
El Hadji Diouf
Euro 04 all star Team of the Tournament Petr Čech
Sol Campbell Michael Ballack Milan Baroš
Antonios Nikopolidis Ashley Cole Theodoros Zagorakis Angelos Charisteas
Traianos Dellas Pavel Nedvěd Henrik Larsson
Olof Mellberg Maniche Wayne Rooney
Ricardo Carvalho Frank Lampard Jon Dahl Tomasson
Yourkas Seitaridis Zinedine Zidane Ruud van Nistelrooy
Gianluca Zambrotta Luís Figo Cristiano Ronaldo
World Cup 2006 All Star team Gianluigi Buffon
Jens Lehmann
Ricardo
Roberto Ayala
John Terry
Lilian Thuram
Philipp Lahm
Fabio Cannavaro
Gianluca Zambrotta
Ricardo Carvalho
Zé Roberto
Patrick Vieira
Zinedine Zidane
Michael Ballack
Andrea Pirlo
Gennaro Gattuso
Francesco Totti
Luís Figo
Maniche
Hernán Crespo
Thierry Henry
Miroslav Klose
Luca Toni
I dont see Rio Ferdinand's name anywhere...strange
As i said i can provide links if you don't believe me
Ah what the hell here's the links anyway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup#All-star_team
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_European_Football_Championship#Awards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIFA_World_Cup#All_star_team
Anyone know much about the new Slovakian Centre half signed from zenith St Peterburg?
Let Carra then tell you were he thinks he is in the pecking order!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KbeKG5R9EM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KbeKG5R9EM)
Quote from Minder:
QuoteHave we not been down this road a few weeks ago arguing about who would get on a "bst of XI"....? Its pointless.
Of course it is. What fool would put Spains sub keeper ahead of VDS. Ill give Reina his dues though, he can save a penalty.. but the man is the closest Liverpool have had to a calamity James replica!
At the moment Van der sar is making a lot more errors than Reina.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from Minder:
QuoteHave we not been down this road a few weeks ago arguing about who would get on a "bst of XI"....? Its pointless.
Of course it is. What fool would put Spains sub keeper ahead of VDS. Ill give Reina his dues though, he can save a penalty.. but the man is the closest Liverpool have had to a calamity James replica!
I suppose he is a clown, the award he had received the last two years for the most clean sheets in the EPL season is obviously a mistake or is it down to the good defence in from of him? Couldn;t be that either, sure Carra is a liability, Hyypia has been finished since Henchoz left ang Agger is a rookie learning his trade, Riise is paid too much and can't defend. That only leaves Finnan who by the looks of it should have been awarded World player of the year as he is single handly responsible for Liverpools impressive total of clean sheets last two seasons. ::)
Quote from: bingobus on January 09, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from Minder:
QuoteHave we not been down this road a few weeks ago arguing about who would get on a "bst of XI"....? Its pointless.
Of course it is. What fool would put Spains sub keeper ahead of VDS. Ill give Reina his dues though, he can save a penalty.. but the man is the closest Liverpool have had to a calamity James replica!
I suppose he is a clown, the award he had received the last two years for the most clean sheets in the EPL season is obviously a mistake or is it down to the good defence in from of him? Couldn;t be that either, sure Carra is a liability, Hyypia has been finished since Henchoz left ang Agger is a rookie learning his trade, Riise is paid too much and can't defend. That only leaves Finnan who by the looks of it should have been awarded World player of the year as he is single handly responsible for Liverpools impressive total of clean sheets last two seasons. ::)
:D :D
I love the way nrico2006 has labelled Reina as 'Spain's sub keeper' as if that somehow makes him sh*t. ::)
QuoteAt the moment Van der sar is making a lot more errors than Reina.
Against Liverpool there was a few iffy moments, but nothing of real note. He was out for a few games though. The pool game wasn't really all his fault either as Vidic blocked him off once and Torres did in the 1st half before he headed wide
Quote from: Chrisowc on January 09, 2008, 10:25:35 AM
I love the way nrico2006 has labelled Reina as 'Spain's sub keeper' as if that somehow makes him sh*t. ::)
Was thinking that, I'd take Spains no2 over Englands no1 any day!
I'd take Cliftonville's No1 over England's number 1 at the minute!
Quote from: bingobus on January 09, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from Minder:
QuoteHave we not been down this road a few weeks ago arguing about who would get on a "bst of XI"....? Its pointless.
Of course it is. What fool would put Spains sub keeper ahead of VDS. Ill give Reina his dues though, he can save a penalty.. but the man is the closest Liverpool have had to a calamity James replica!
I suppose he is a clown, the award he had received the last two years for the most clean sheets in the EPL season is obviously a mistake or is it down to the good defence in from of him? Couldn;t be that either, sure Carra is a liability, Hyypia has been finished since Henchoz left ang Agger is a rookie learning his trade, Riise is paid too much and can't defend. That only leaves Finnan who by the looks of it should have been awarded World player of the year as he is single handly responsible for Liverpools impressive total of clean sheets last two seasons. ::)
Let me get this straight, are you saying that if you were picking a team today and both keepers were available, you would pick Reina before VDS?
Quote from: EC Unique on January 09, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: bingobus on January 09, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from Minder:
QuoteHave we not been down this road a few weeks ago arguing about who would get on a "bst of XI"....? Its pointless.
Of course it is. What fool would put Spains sub keeper ahead of VDS. Ill give Reina his dues though, he can save a penalty.. but the man is the closest Liverpool have had to a calamity James replica!
I suppose he is a clown, the award he had received the last two years for the most clean sheets in the EPL season is obviously a mistake or is it down to the good defence in from of him? Couldn;t be that either, sure Carra is a liability, Hyypia has been finished since Henchoz left ang Agger is a rookie learning his trade, Riise is paid too much and can't defend. That only leaves Finnan who by the looks of it should have been awarded World player of the year as he is single handly responsible for Liverpools impressive total of clean sheets last two seasons. ::)
Let me get this straight, are you saying that if you were picking a team today and both keepers were available, you would pick Reina before VDS?
Reina is the best keeper amongst the top 4 at present.
Van der Sar was flapping all over the place in the game against Liverpool nearly costing united 2 goals. Cech was the best of the lot until this season but he's made a number of blunders recently. Maybe still not recovered fully from his injuries? I can't remember the last time Reina made a misjudgement. I think it was early last season against Everton.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 09, 2008, 12:06:17 PM
I can't remember the last time Reina made a misjudgement.
Joining serial also rans Liverpool?
Uladh this thread was relatively peaceful while you were away :P
I was thinking that.
Quote from: Uladh on January 09, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 09, 2008, 12:06:17 PM
I can't remember the last time Reina made a misjudgement.
Joining serial also rans Liverpool?
Its the way you tell them......
Quote from: Uladh on January 09, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 09, 2008, 12:06:17 PM
I can't remember the last time Reina made a misjudgement.
Joining serial also rans Liverpool?
Maybe he just wanted to win Champions League medals...got close last year. Slur Alex would love to get so close again.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 09, 2008, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 09, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: bingobus on January 09, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 10:00:48 AM
Quote from Minder:
QuoteHave we not been down this road a few weeks ago arguing about who would get on a "bst of XI"....? Its pointless.
Of course it is. What fool would put Spains sub keeper ahead of VDS. Ill give Reina his dues though, he can save a penalty.. but the man is the closest Liverpool have had to a calamity James replica!
I suppose he is a clown, the award he had received the last two years for the most clean sheets in the EPL season is obviously a mistake or is it down to the good defence in from of him? Couldn;t be that either, sure Carra is a liability, Hyypia has been finished since Henchoz left ang Agger is a rookie learning his trade, Riise is paid too much and can't defend. That only leaves Finnan who by the looks of it should have been awarded World player of the year as he is single handly responsible for Liverpools impressive total of clean sheets last two seasons. ::)
Let me get this straight, are you saying that if you were picking a team today and both keepers were available, you would pick Reina before VDS?
Reina is the best keeper amongst the top 4 at present.
Van der Sar was flapping all over the place in the game against Liverpool nearly costing united 2 goals. Cech was the best of the lot until this season but he's made a number of blunders recently. Maybe still not recovered fully from his injuries? I can't remember the last time Reina made a misjudgement. I think it was early last season against Everton.
Reina does not play for a top four team... His team is in 5th :D ;)
Good quote from Guillem Balague this week:
Since Jose Mourinho left Chelsea the press in England have pointed their weapons towards Benitez and Liverpool, and they won't stop until they see him out of a job
Guillem on Benitez
The way the press react to rotation, tactics etc is ridiculous. There is never a mention of old whiskey nose when rooney is left out.
QuoteVan der Sar was flapping all over the place in the game against Liverpool nearly costing united 2 goals. Cech was the best of the lot until this season but he's made a number of blunders recently. Maybe still not recovered fully from his injuries? I can't remember the last time Reina made a misjudgement. I think it was early last season against Everton.
VDS is as good as there is. Great shot stopper, commanding and the most comfortable with the ball at his feet. Reina frequently comes for crosses and balls into the box and flaps like a shot crow. He is terrible when dealing with balls into the box. He is a good shot stopper, and his strong point is that he is possibly the best at saving penalties.
Regarding 'Slur Alex' and his ambition to get to a champions league final - I'm sure if United were out of contention for the league from Jan/Feb every year and most other competitions then it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to work out that United would have a great chance of getting to the CL Final if all they had to focus on was that one competition.
But the top sides like Chelsea and United are challenging on more fronts than one which can take its toll.
Quote from: gawa316 on January 09, 2008, 12:49:11 PM
Good quote from Guillem Balague this week:
Since Jose Mourinho left Chelsea the press in England have pointed their weapons towards Benitez and Liverpool, and they won't stop until they see him out of a job
Guillem on Benitez
The way the press react to rotation, tactics etc is ridiculous. There is never a mention of old whiskey nose when rooney is left out.
Was considering posting words to the effect in the last couple of days.
Heaven forbid substituting 'Stevie G' in the Merseyside derby. Nevermind the kid he brings on in his place would have scored the winner if it wasn't for Phil Neville staking a claim for Paul Robinson's England shirt.
Sure that isn't a story. Much rather they sh*t stir and report on the 'split' between manager and captain. Merely a prelude to the soap opera that is manager v owners that we are subjected to daily by HM gutter press.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 02:35:58 PM
Reina frequently comes for crosses and balls into the box and flaps like a shot crow. He is terrible when dealing with balls into the box.
totally untrue. can you back that up with some recent examples please?? admittedly, he wasnt good under crosses when he first arrived, but he has been in exceptional form for the last 2 seasons and I'd have him ahead of VDS at the mo. I actually think Kuszczak could take the no.1 spot at utd next season.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 02:35:58 PM
QuoteVan der Sar was flapping all over the place in the game against Liverpool nearly costing united 2 goals. Cech was the best of the lot until this season but he's made a number of blunders recently. Maybe still not recovered fully from his injuries? I can't remember the last time Reina made a misjudgement. I think it was early last season against Everton.
VDS is as good as there is. Great shot stopper, commanding and the most comfortable with the ball at his feet. Reina frequently comes for crosses and balls into the box and flaps like a shot crow. He is terrible when dealing with balls into the box. He is a good shot stopper, and his strong point is that he is possibly the best at saving penalties.
Regarding 'Slur Alex' and his ambition to get to a champions league final - I'm sure if United were out of contention for the league from Jan/Feb every year and most other competitions then it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to work out that United would have a great chance of getting to the CL Final if all they had to focus on was that one competition. But the top sides like Chelsea and United are challenging on more fronts than one which can take its toll.
I don't particularly want to get involved in this infantile "my daddy's bigger than your's" crap, but how many times has Reina screwed up on crosses or balls to his feet? Is it more than any other keeper?
I certainly have no complaints about him. If all the rest of the team were anywhere near as accomplished and consistent as Reina is, Liverpool would have few problems.
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 09, 2008, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 09, 2008, 02:35:58 PM
Reina frequently comes for crosses and balls into the box and flaps like a shot crow. He is terrible when dealing with balls into the box.
totally untrue. can you back that up with some recent examples please?? admittedly, he wasnt good under crosses when he first arrived, but he has been in exceptional form for the last 2 seasons and I'd have him ahead of VDS at the mo. I actually think Kuszczak could take the no.1 spot at utd next season.
Certainly not getting dragged into this "my English team is better than yours" crap but Kuszczak? Are you serious. I'm a very part time United fan and I reckon the lad Foster will be first choice next season. Kuszczak is rubbish.
Benítez begs for more time as owners discuss the future
Daniel Taylor
Wednesday January 9, 2008
The Guardian
Rafael Benítez has made an impassioned plea to Liverpool's American owners to allow him to continue as manager, despite their reservations about the team's progress. George Gillett and Tom Hicks were having talks last night with the chief executive Rick Parry amid growing speculation that Benítez does not figure in their plans beyond the end of the season, but the man who brought the European Cup back to Anfield insists he wants to stay.
"I don't know how many times I have to say this before certain people believe me," said an exasperated Benítez. "But I will say it again because it is really important that everyone understands this - I love the club, I love the fans, I love the city and I am very, very happy here. I do not see my future at Real Madrid or Inter Milan or anywhere else. I see my future at Liverpool and this is where I want to stay."
Benítez could hardly have been more unequivocal as he waited to hear the outcome of Parry's discussions with Gillett and Hicks in the United States. The official line from Anfield was that Benítez's future was not on the agenda, but the Spaniard is entitled to be worried given his precarious relationship with the Americans and reports that Jürgen Klinsmann is to be sounded out about replacing him.
It has not helped Benítez that an off-the-record conversation with a number of Sunday newspaper journalists led to reports at the weekend that he feared he could be sacked. "I was shocked when I was told about the stories in the Sunday papers," he said. "To see my name linked with other clubs in such a manner really disappoints me. And the fact that the newspapers said that the stories had come from 'a source close to me' is what disappoints me most.
"All I can say is, no such quotes came from me and I know my friends well enough to know that they did not come from them. So I can only assume that the conversation I had with the journalists from the Sunday newspapers meant something different to them than me."
Benítez has completed the £6.5m signing of the centre-back Martin Skrtel from Zenit St Petersburg and turned down an inquiry from Fulham for Sami Hyypia, "The squad is the best it has been since I first came here and we have many young players who are going to get only better," he said, "so I have no wish to be at any other club. I want to be here this summer and many other summers after that."
Premier League - Euroscout: Martin Skrtel
Eurosport - Wed, 09 Jan 15:21:00 2008
With Liverpool about to finalise the signing of Slovakian Martin Skrtel from Zenit St Petersburg for £6.5 million, we bring you a Euroscout of the centre-half that could become Rafael Benitez's very own Nemanja Vidic.
Rafa failed last season with a bid to sign Gabriel Heinze from rivals Manchester United, but is now set to plug the gap left by injured duo Daniel Agger and Sami Hyypia with the most expensive defender in the club's history.
"The last two weeks I have been in constant contact with my agent Karol Csonto," he told Plus. "I hope everything will turn out well in the end, the dream will come true, and I will become a player for a famous club. I cannot wait to put pen to paper.
"I have realised that in all likelihood a new era of my life is beginning. I have been pondering what will be waiting for me there and how I will get used to the conditions."
But is he worth it?
Skrtel, 23, is widely considered the number one stopper in Slovakia. The keystone of the national team's backline is very strong in the air, possesses good positional sense, has great technique on the ball and most of all is lightning-quick.
He has been praised by many at Zenit for maintaining good form over a long period of time, avoiding costly dips - which resulted in the club winning the Russian title in 2007, their best finish in a domestic season since the USSR league victory in 1984.
Another quality that marks him as a Vidic clone is his penchant for hard tackles, added to a generally whole-hearted style of play, which should see him slot straight into the Premier League's rough-and-tumble weekly shenanigans.
There is an occasional question mark against his defending from set-pieces, something that Benitez - or his replacement in the summer, if you believe the papers - may look to iron out.
Still, for a young player he certainly looks the part. Zenit coach Dick Advocaat has long tipped the international to grow into one of the top defenders in Europe, just as Serbian Vidic is now considered as indispensable to Manchester United's back four as the likes of Rio Ferdinand.
Skrtel has played for both Zenit and Slovakia since 2005, earning 15 caps for his country and scoring one goal against Cyprus in their unsuccessful attempt to qualify for Euro 2008.
Liverpool have a genuine goal-threat in Fernando Torres; but if they are to seriously challenge for the Premier League title in the coming years, perhaps an investment in a solid defender such as Skrtel will make the difference.
Let's give the lad a chance before we build him up! We've all seen numerous players fail to adapt to English football - there is no guarantee that he'll be as important to Liverpool as Vidic is to United.
Anyone who says that they would have Van Der Sar ahead of Reina is obviously on the wind up but there is no doubt about it overall United have a far superior squad even if the first eleven would be split fairly even. I'll add to that by saying if you tookinto account the first 11 along with the three subs you would have alot bigger United dominance.
Norf Tyrone I have read article after article about Blackburn, Everton, Sheffield United e.t.c, e.t.c fielding a weakened team. The romance is dead my friend. It pains me too but it is fact. Dave Kitson summed it up well.
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2008, 07:52:47 PM
Let's give the lad a chance before we build him up! We've all seen numerous players fail to adapt to English football - there is no guarantee that he'll be as important to Liverpool as Vidic is to United.
Blame Eurosport.
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2008, 07:52:47 PM
Let's give the lad a chance before we build him up! We've all seen numerous players fail to adapt to English football - there is no guarantee that he'll be as important to Liverpool as Vidic is to United.
Anyone remember how poor the slovakians looked in both games against us??? So I certainly wont be building him up as the next vidic, but at that money, you'd expect a certain quality.
Klinsmann to become new Bayern Munich coach on July 1st 2008.
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2008, 10:46:14 AM
Klinsmann to become new Bayern Munich coach on July 1st 2008.
Thank god for that, what has he actually done in club football anyway.
The media will have to find another avenue to attack Liverpool and Benitez now
Quote from: gawa316 on January 11, 2008, 11:15:31 AM
Thank god for that, what has he actually done in club football anyway.
The media will have to find another avenue to attack Liverpool and Benitez now
yea, im happy with that news too. although im sure the media will have little trouble finding something else to attack benitez with.
news that Agger is finally coming back from injury. was scheduled to play a reserve game midweek only to have it cancelled due to weather. after 4 months out, it'll be a big boost once he comes back into the side.
Looks like Juve gonna shell out 10m for Sissoko.
Good bit of business.
Money will probably be used to tie up Mascherano deal.
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 11, 2008, 11:30:40 AM
Looks like Juve gonna shell out 10m for Sissoko.
Good bit of business.
Money will probably be used to tie up Mascherano deal.
It's ridiculous to think we have to sell in order to make purchases. I thought with the aid of the yanks we would have the financial muscle to compete with utd and chelski...obviously not. Am I the only one who thinks regarding transfers they have give us f**k all? Yes we spent in and around £40 mill in the summer but this would have been offset by over £20 mil of player sales and the money we would have received forgetting to the champions league final.
Your Thai bloke who bought Citeh (who we turned down) seems to be throwing money at them left, right and centre. Yes we have the stadium etc to think about but it was stated somewhere that its' development would not hinder our transfer budget which it clearly has
SKRTEL SIGNS UNTIL 2012
Liverpool have today confirmed the signing of Slovakian international defender Martin Skrtel from Zenit St Petersberg on a four and a half year contract.
The established centre half has 15 international caps for his country and Reds boss Rafael Benitez is predicting a bright Anfield future for the 23-year-old.
"I think he is a player maybe not many people know about but he played against Everton for Zenit St Petersberg, and he is a centre half that knows the English style," said Benitez.
"He is aggressive, quick, is good in the air and I think he's a very good player for the future and also for the present.
"He is very competitive, but his mentality for me is very good. Watching him in some games his mentality is similar to Carra so I think it's very positive for the team.
"Our scouts first knew of him when he was playing for Slovakia and we have been monitoring him since the start of the season.
"We saw him play against Everton in the UEFA Cup match at Goodison and during the last few months we have been checking him closely.
"I don't think he will be ready for Middlesbrough because the Russian league season ended more than a month ago and the last competitive game Martin played was in the UEFA Cup in December.
"He has been training but I don't think that will be enough. He needs to get to know his team-mates and the league but I will look at him in training because he has a very good physical condition."
The Reds boss also believes Skrtel is a player who will settle quickly into life at Anfield and put pressure on the likes of Jamie Carragher, Sami Hyypia and Daniel Agger for a starting role in the first team.
"He has quality and he can be a problem for them and a good problem for me if I need to decide who to play in the future," added Benitez.
"He has experience and enough quality for playing as soon as possible."
Skrtel will wear squad number 37 at Anfield.
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 11, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 11, 2008, 11:15:31 AM
Thank god for that, what has he actually done in club football anyway.
The media will have to find another avenue to attack Liverpool and Benitez now
yea, im happy with that news too. although im sure the media will have little trouble finding something else to attack benitez with.
news that Agger is finally coming back from injury. was scheduled to play a reserve game midweek only to have it cancelled due to weather. after 4 months out, it'll be a big boost once he comes back into the side.
That was probably Rafa's fault too.
Liverpoolfc.tv to Rafa
'Can we expect any more business from Liverpool in the transfer window?'
'Not really. I think we are pleased with the squad.' :'(
Quote from: gawa316 on January 12, 2008, 12:06:45 PM
Liverpoolfc.tv to Rafa
'Can we expect any more business from Liverpool in the transfer window?'
'Not really. I think we are pleased with the squad.' :'(
He knows more than any of us where the squad needs improving. The players he wants to do that probably aren't available at this stage and there's no point bringing someone in for the sake of it.
Brutal so far.Vorinin is one of the worst players ever to play for Liverpool and he is proving it again today..
He's been poor all right, but he's hardly the only one.
its only half time ;)
Boro 1 up at half time?
Quote from: J70 on January 12, 2008, 03:58:04 PM
He's been poor all right, but he's hardly the only one.
True..
Arbeloa is once again doing nothing to make me think he is a good player..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 12, 2008, 03:55:18 PM
Brutal so far.Vorinin is one of the worst players ever to play for Liverpool and he is proving it again today..
Alright he hasn't been good so far .................the worst?? Not even close
Julian Dicks ......Istvan Kozma ....... Torben Piechnik ......... Erik Meijer ........ Sean Dundee
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2008, 04:06:21 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 12, 2008, 03:55:18 PM
Brutal so far.Vorinin is one of the worst players ever to play for Liverpool and he is proving it again today..
Alright he hasn't been good so far .................the worst?? Not even close
Julian Dicks ......Istvan Kozma ....... Torben Piechnik ......... Erik Meijer ........ Sean Dundee
Thats why i said
ONE of the worst
What is going on, we arent this bad are we? :(
You can't just blame what's going on on the likes of Voronin. There are players giving the ball away all over the pitch and there isn't enough fight and support play.
What the fcuk is the ref at?
;D what a goal
Fantastic goal. Let's hope they get the finger out now and win the game.
I want to have his babies
I shudder to think where we would be without "The Kid".......
JUST.NOT.GOOD.ENOUGH.
how rafa can say he is happy with this squad I'll never know.
Where was crouch today?
Lads we are now in real threat of not finishing 4th in the league.
Everton are level with us and Man City and Aston Villa are not far behind.
With our terrible form of the last couple of weeks we are in real danger here.
I have always been a huge Rafa fan but he is unable to crack the priemership.
I too thought we would be there or there abouts for the league, not scrapping it out for
4th place.
But you just have to look at the fact that Chelesa are after splashing out £15 million on Anelka to see the gulf that there is between us and Chelsea and United. Although Rafa has spent a good bit of money of youngsters,none of them are having any where near the same impact that Wengers youngsters are.
I do not know what the answer is?
Sack Rafa but then who wants to come to a club like Liverpool where expectation is huge but the money may not be there.
Or do we take the example our Manchurian friends did back in the 80's and stick with Rafa and hope we reap the same rewards that they did.
Good grief. Does Torres spread some kind of virus whereby his teammates become middle-of-the-table mediocrities making him look even better than he already is? Athletico, now Liverpool . . .
Looks like it will be an all out assault on 4th place again this year, no doubt Madrid and Barca will come sniffing in the summerfor Torres if, as expected, Benitez gets the hook.
Arabs eye £500m Liverpool buy-out
Duncan Castles and Richard Wachman, City editor
Sunday January 13, 2008
The Observer
Liverpool FC could change hands for the second time in a year as their American owners encounter difficulties in refinancing £350million of debt incurred in taking over and running the club.
Beset by the steeply rising costs of a new stadium and manager Rafa Benitez's demands for new players, Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr have been attempting to transfer the debt, for which they are personally liable, on to the club itself. City sources believe this is an extremely difficult task to complete before the loan's due date at the end of February.
It is possible that the Americans will meet the deadline, but if not an Arab investment group, Dubai International Capital, is understood to be close to lodging an offer to buy out the American pair, probably for about £500m. Takeover discussions are thought to be due before the end of this month.
If successful, DIC, led by Liverpool supporter Sameer Al Ansari, would invest heavily in two areas: the new stadium that Liverpool need if they are to compete with Arsenal and Manchester United for matchday revenue, and an improved playing squad. Were they also to acquire a new management team Jose Mourinho, who is known to be interested in managing Liverpool, would be a prime candidate.
DIC were extremely close to buying Liverpool last February, only to lose out to Hicks and Gillett when the club's chief executive, Rick Parry, switched his support from the Arab camp to the American. The latter paid £174.1m for a 100 per cent shareholding, also agreeing to take on the club's then debt of £44.8m.
The purchase, however, was funded solely with borrowed money, Hicks and Gillett's loan from the Royal Bank of Scotland swelling to £350m as it was used to fund several high-profile summer transfers, development work and architect's plans for a 60,000-seat stadium in Stanley Park, and to roll up the interest on the debt.
The RBS loan is due for repayment next month. The Observer understands that attempts to restructure it have so far failed and the Americans have yet to inject new equity into the refinancing.
While RBS have asked Hicks and Gillett to each commit £20m of their own cash to the deal, City sources believe that at least one of the pair is not prepared to do so. Hicks and Gillett declined to comment last night.
Meanwhile, work on 'New Anfield' has been held up by the impasse over the acquisition loan, with no chance of funding being put in place for the £400m stadium project until the issue is resolved. A meeting in New York last week at which architects HKS and AFL presented competing stadium designs, was described by Parry merely as 'another big step forward to finding the best possible solution. Everyone is reflecting on what they have heard and a clear decision will be taken soon'.
The global credit crunch has made it harder for Hicks and Gillett to raise new revenues elsewhere and also affected the value of their other assets. Should they fail in their efforts to repay the £350m acquisition debt on Liverpool when it comes due in just over six weeks, there would be the possibility of the next owner of the club becoming RBS.
The bank, however, are extremely unlikely to allow the situation to develop that way. Nor are Parry and club honorary life-president David Moores, the former principal shareholder. Parry and Moores are horrified that the Hicks-Gillett deal has not thus far brought long-term financial stability to the club. As a consequence, there are increasing tensions between the Americans and other board members as the refinancing deadline approaches. Parry and Moores are understood to be open to a second takeover.
Sources in the Middle East have confirmed that DIC remain as keenly interested in buying Liverpool as they were one year ago. DIC last night refused to comment on the matter, but they appear best placed to resolve the financial problems affecting the club's competitiveness in the Premier League. A mooted valuation of £1billion has been ridiculed, but an enterprise value of around half that figure might prove acceptable, allowing the Americans to exit with a profit of £75m each
to many average players in the squad! will never make any impression on the premiershp unless these players are got rid of.
the likes of
kuyt
voronin
arbeloa
kewell
sissoko, just not good enough!!
In one of todays paper its reported that Steven Ireland could be on his way to Liverpool in a swap deal with Crouch heading to Man City
Quote from: J70 on January 12, 2008, 04:24:18 PM
You can't just blame what's going on on the likes of Voronin. There are players giving the ball away all over the pitch and there isn't enough fight and support play.
No one is blaming Voronin for everything..Fact is he's shite and just one of a number of players who are not good enough to play for Liverpool FC
Interesting the talk of the Yanks not staying put. Mark Lawerson mentioned it last week and he is fairly close to things for past experience. Frankly, after all the bon hommie that their initial buyout brought the yanks seem to have stifled things. Coupled with the weak dollar they may be better off leaving now before it cost them too much. if a cash rich organisation bought into Liverpool then the real focus of re-building the club could start in earnest.
i actually think Rafa is the amn to do it if he can let his ego stay out of the equation. The down turn all began when Pako was roaded and I think the morale among the players has been seriously hit as a result. A seriously good number 2 is what is needed to bring the players along with the ideas Rafa is trying to implement. The reality is that if a new manager was brought in now it would be a set back as you would have a new system, you would lose some of the key players, eg, torres, reina and you would be on the lowest curve of the success swing. New owners, fine, new manager not yet.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 13, 2008, 01:54:56 PM
In one of todays paper its reported that Steven Ireland could be on his way to Liverpool in a swap deal with Crouch heading to Man City
thats all we need,another average squad player
QuoteFact is he's shite and just one of a number of players who are not good enough to play for Liverpool FC
He's good enough for Liverpool but wouldnt get anywhere near the door of the top 3.
it would be fair to say that Liverpool have fallen well behind the top 3. They seem to be in the same position that villa were 2 years ago. No drive no passion, seem to lift it for the european games, but even the "big" games in the league seems beyond them. Maybe a new ownership that's cash rich would lift them, however I would argue that a mass clear out to be replaced with a younger spine that can learn to play together. The team concept appears to have been totally lost. The sense of understanding and awareness of others seems to have been lost completely. Finger pointing seems to be the order of the day. I miss watching liverpool play good football, there is simply no sense of purpose in that midfield
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 13, 2008, 07:32:49 PM
QuoteFact is he's shite and just one of a number of players who are not good enough to play for Liverpool FC
He's good enough for Liverpool but wouldnt get anywhere near the door of the top 3.
How do you make out he's good enough for Liverpool ? I don't understand that statement
Quote from: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 07:45:57 PM
it would be fair to say that Liverpool have fallen well behind the top 3. They seem to be in the same position that villa were 2 years ago.
Eh?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 13, 2008, 09:28:12 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 07:45:57 PM
it would be fair to say that Liverpool have fallen well behind the top 3. They seem to be in the same position that villa were 2 years ago.
Eh?
I think he meant to put a "1" before the 2......
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 13, 2008, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 13, 2008, 07:32:49 PM
QuoteFact is he's shite and just one of a number of players who are not good enough to play for Liverpool FC
He's good enough for Liverpool but wouldnt get anywhere near the door of the top 3.
How do you make out he's good enough for Liverpool ? I don't understand that statement
I think it was a wind-up attempt.
Have to agree BC, I think I stated tat before that there was a correlatio nbetween performances and Pako's departure. Anyone who has read ' a season on the brink' will realise the importance Pako had and the closeness himself and Rafa had. It was a very weird situation and one that was never explained for me.
QuoteI think he meant to put a "1" before the 2......
sorry meant to put a 5 after the 2...
saunders quit, and the slow decline began for villa. If something drastic isn't done we're going to go another 18 years.
My ideal scenario now, DIC buy out the yanks. Sell Gerrard, riise, aurelio, sissoko, hypia, kewell, voronin, crouch and kuyt, give the money to mourinho and start buying players that will listen to instructions. There's the guts of 50/60m to get started. DIC has enough money to get on with the stadium in whatever way will pay off best for the value of the club in the long run, instead of wondering whether they will be able to service the debt in the short term.
I think that since Pako lft the team spirit that was there has been lost, and there is too much confusion in defence, I also think that the beard has upset Rafa's startegy, he's outthinking himself sometimes rather than his opponents.
QuoteSell Gerrard
When this old chesnut comes up I have to say I laugh. One way not to progress is not to sell your best players. The amount of times Gerrard has pulled something out of the bag for the team when needed is absolutely ridiculous and unfortunately a damning indictment of the quality of his teammates because unless he makes something happen you can be sure none of the others are capable of doing much.
The problem is the rest of the team from midfield up (bar Gerrard and Torres) is simply not good enough to win league titles. There are some good players there but short of 2 or 3 attacking players of genuine quality. Certainly if Mourinho were to arrive at the club he wouldn't be too pleased to see Gerrard going the other way.
QuoteWhen this old chesnut comes up I have to say I laugh
Its o.k. to laugh GBBoy. Benitez is a fantastic manager and Gerrard a fantastic player, its just that I'd like to see them be fantastic somewhere else now please.
p.s. its chestnut
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 01:37:24 AM
QuoteSell Gerrard
When this old chesnut comes up I have to say I laugh. One way not to progress is not to sell your best players. The amount of times Gerrard has pulled something out of the bag for the team when needed is absolutely ridiculous and unfortunately a damning indictment of the quality of his teammates because unless he makes something happen you can be sure none of the others are capable of doing much.
The problem is the rest of the team from midfield up (bar Gerrard and Torres) is simply not good enough to win league titles. There are some good players there but short of 2 or 3 attacking players of genuine quality. Certainly if Mourinho were to arrive at the club he wouldn't be too pleased to see Gerrard going the other way.
So the likes of Mascherano and Alonso are not good enough now either?
Liverpool reveal Klinsmann talks
Benitez will be disappointed by Hicks' revelations
Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has revealed the club held talks with Jurgen Klinsmann about taking over from Rafael Benitez as manager.
Benitez has been under pressure this season with the club struggling in the Champions League and faltering in the Premier League title race.
"We attempted to negotiate an option," Hicks told the Liverpool Echo.
"It was as an insurance policy, to have him become manager if Rafa left for Real Madrid or other rumoured clubs."
Hicks added: "Or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason."
Klinsmann's services have now been secured by Bayern Munich and he will take over the German club at the end of this season.
606: DEBATE
Will Rafa Benitez survive this latest revelation?
The confirmation of talks between Klinsmann and his bosses will come as a blow to Benitez, who has publicly stated his desire to remain in charge at Anfield after upsetting Hicks and fellow Liverpool owner George Gillett earlier this season.
Benitez criticised the duo about their transfer policy and the Spaniard's remarks angered both owners and put his position in jeopardy.
The side's indifferent form this season has not helped Benitez's cause with a 4-1 win over Marseille in their last group game of the Champions League needed to book their place in the knockout stages.
The Reds are 12 points off the top of the Premier League table, while being knocked out of the Carling Cup by Chelsea and being taken to a replay by struggling Luton in the FA Cup third round.
Rafa ain't gona be about too much longer with revelations like this...
Apparentley Klinsmann was signed up the other day was because of the interest from Liverpool.
To be honest I think Rafa's position is untenable at this stage without a seismic shift in either the team's performances or the attitudes of the Americans. American owners would not be as familiar with the cult of the manager over on this side of the pond. Coaches come and go in the US very regularly, it's more of a 'Front Office' change that tends to change the attitude towards the types of players being recruited etc.
Rafa's body language over the past month has been very very defeated looking, and I think this has seeped through to the players. There was absolutely no bite, or spring in their step at all last Saturday. It was muck to be honest.
I think Rafa is a good manager, but he has undermined himself with his whinging to the press, which has in turn made him a black sheep in the eyes of Gilette and Hicks.
Another 'rebuilding' phase approaches methinks.
Just when you think Dumb & and Dumber can't get anymore Dumb they decide to air Liverpool's dirty laundry in public. They are turning the club into a circus and a laughing stock.
Not only did they admit talking to Klinsmann (incase Rafa left of his own accord. FFS!) they admitted they were going to sack him if they had been knocked out of the Champions League.
Whether you think it is time for Rafa to move on or not this is not the way to handle things.
Being a stubborn bugger I hope he fights through this but you wouldn't blame him if he walked.
Liverpool will be the next Newcastle with these clowns at the helm.
I agree Chris, I think this latest revelation speaks more about the Americans than it does about Rafa. What sort of way is this to treat your manager? I think it's lawrenson who stated on radio that he heard the Americans will be away before Rafa. I hope so if this is how they treat their manager and the mess they're making of the proposed new stadium.
Rafa should be given more time like Slur Alex was given, he obviously has a passion for the club and has a proven track record.
In fairness we all thought they were great at first, they talked a great game and sold themselves well. In hindsight, they sold us a pup. (Credit to Magpie Seanie, the manc, who seen them for what they are)
They know as much about running a football club, as Homer knows about been a Nucleur plant safety officer.
Firstly, they can the original stadium plans and then release new plans that had everyone jumping. Then they can these and go back to the drawing board and still can't settle on a design due to prohibitive costs and the credit crunch.
They want to dictate signings to Rafa and listen to Parry for this element of running a club. They go to the press at every whim and I can't every remember another club (even Newcastle) admitting to negotiating with another manager, while the current one is still in charge. Absolute joke and its no wonder that these two of pals of George W Bush!!
I hope this gives the players a kick up the ass and they start to deliver on the field for their manager. If they don't, they must want him out as well as the "owners".
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2008, 04:07:49 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 01:37:24 AM
QuoteSell Gerrard
When this old chesnut comes up I have to say I laugh. One way not to progress is not to sell your best players. The amount of times Gerrard has pulled something out of the bag for the team when needed is absolutely ridiculous and unfortunately a damning indictment of the quality of his teammates because unless he makes something happen you can be sure none of the others are capable of doing much.
The problem is the rest of the team from midfield up (bar Gerrard and Torres) is simply not good enough to win league titles. There are some good players there but short of 2 or 3 attacking players of genuine quality. Certainly if Mourinho were to arrive at the club he wouldn't be too pleased to see Gerrard going the other way.
So the likes of Mascherano and Alonso are not good enough now either?
I should have been more specific and said that we lack genuine quality in wide areas and up front to help Torres. That said Alonso hasn't played up to this capabilities for quite a while now IMO.
Certainly these new owners (especially that cowboy Hicks) look like big trouble. They are never out of the media mouthing off about something. Not the Liverpool way at all. Despite being in charge for donkey's years you very rarely heard from the Moores family. The way it should be.l
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2008, 04:07:49 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 01:37:24 AM
QuoteSell Gerrard
When this old chesnut comes up I have to say I laugh. One way not to progress is not to sell your best players. The amount of times Gerrard has pulled something out of the bag for the team when needed is absolutely ridiculous and unfortunately a damning indictment of the quality of his teammates because unless he makes something happen you can be sure none of the others are capable of doing much.
The problem is the rest of the team from midfield up (bar Gerrard and Torres) is simply not good enough to win league titles. There are some good players there but short of 2 or 3 attacking players of genuine quality. Certainly if Mourinho were to arrive at the club he wouldn't be too pleased to see Gerrard going the other way.
So the likes of Mascherano and Alonso are not good enough now either?
I should have been more specific and said that we lack genuine quality in wide areas and up front to help Torres. That said Alonso hasn't played up to this capabilitiesl for quite a while now IMO.
Certainly these new owners (especially that cowboy Hicks) look like big trouble. They are never out of the media mouthing off about something. Not the Liverpool way at all. Despite being in charge for donkey's years you very rarely heard from the Moores family. The way it should be.l
Alonso was playing very well before he got injured, but otherwise I take your point.
If these latest reports are true, Rafa should just tell them where to stick the job. Its not as if he'll have trouble getting another.
I think Rafa should ride the storm. He may have made dubious signings but as a whole I think they are a stronger squad because of him. The current poor run is not a true reflection of how good the team is and should be put in perspective.
Stay on and if they are there in the summer they may sack hima nd he gets a good severence package. If they are not there any new owner will have to stick by him or sack him and he gets the same severance package.
The Yansk should shut their gobs and so should Rafa and let the palyers do the talking. As big Sami said it is affecting the players as much as anyone.
Lads lets not let the owners meddling cloud the issue, Rafa has not been able to put together a team that has been able to challenge for the premiership in 4 seasons now. He has bought questionably to put it generously.
I am cry at the whole situation
Minder, I don't buy into that. Rafa stsed at the outset that he had a five year plan to win the Premiership and build a solid foundation. I think he has gone some way to doing that and recent results do not reflect that. This is due to instability at the club over a number of things and obviously they are having a baring on the players.
If at the end of his 5th year they had not succeeded then give him his Pink slip. Until then I would prefer to see him stay, with the owners full backing.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 14, 2008, 01:56:53 PM
Minder, I don't buy into that. Rafa stsed at the outset that he had a five year plan to win the Premiership and build a solid foundation. I think he has gone some way to doing that and recent results do not reflect that. This is due to instability at the club over a number of things and obviously they are having a baring on the players.
If at the end of his 5th year they had not succeeded then give him his Pink slip. Until then I would prefer to see him stay, with the owners full backing.
Fair enough but if we were seeing an improvement i would be happy enough and were gradually building, Torres has been fantastic and my biggest fear is losing him
if when Benitez goes, but there are too many players that are not good enough, regardless of the owners and managers rift.
Well done Leg End, thanks for breaking that news for us.
Next season's home shirt apparently
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Another Euro one
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Liverpool defender Daniel Agger has a suffered a setback in his recovery from a metatarsal injury.
The Danish international has been out since September, with the problem restricting him to just five appearances in the Premier League this season.
Agger was due to play for Liverpool's reserves last week but saw the game cancelled due to bad weather, and has now suffered a recurrence of the original injury during training.
It is unclear at present how long the defender will be sidelined for but Rafa Benitez is not expecting to be able to call on his services for the rest of the month.
Bad news
"We've had some bad news in that Agger has the same problem again," the Spaniard told Liverpoolfc.tv.
"He was training and ready to play but yesterday (Sunday) in training he felt something, so we need to go back and start from the beginning.
"It's not easy to say when he will be back. He is going to see different surgeons and then we will be able to analyse the situation."
Aurelio back
Agger remains the only doubt for Benitez going into Tuesday's FA Cup replay with Luton and the Spaniard will have other players back in contention.
"Fabio Aurelio is fit again and the other players are available," he said.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2008, 02:47:49 PM
Next season's home shirt apparently
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Another Euro one
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How many different photoshop versions did we get the last time before the official unveiling? :)
345 - I got it right in the end though ;)
Was there else trying to get tickets today?
an absolute shambles if i ever seen one. I think it is a disgrace.. have being trying on the phones all day and not one thing yet there is people i know over in liverpool, they got through time after time all be it waiting a wee while!
CARRA CAPTAINS REDS V LUTON
Jamie Carragher will captain Liverpool as he makes his 500th appearance for the club in tonight's FA Cup 3rd Round replay against Luton Town at Anfield.
Regular skipper Steven Gerrard obviously holds Carra in as high esteem as the Reds faithful because it was at his request that Rafa has chosen to mark his landmark night with this honour.
Rafa Benitez has named a strong Reds line up, with Gerrard and Alonso in midfield and Peter Crouch partnered with 17 goal Fernando Torres in attack.
Liverpool - Itandje, Hyypia, Riise, Gerrard, Torres, Alonso, Crouch, Pennant, Arbeloa, Babel, Carragher.
Subs - Martin, Kewell, Aurelio, Kuyt, Lucas.
BENITEZ TO JOIN GUARD OF HONOUR
Rafa Benitez will pay tribute to Jamie Carragher by joining his players in a guard of honour ahead of the defender's 500th appearance tonight.
The Liverpool boss said: "It is my idea to join the players on the pitch before the game because to play 500 games for one club is a fantastic achievement."
Liverpoolfc.tv yesterday revealed that Carra will also be handed the captaincy against Luton at the request of friend Steven Gerrard.
The decision was a no-brainer for Benitez, who has witnessed Carra develop into one of Europe's top centre-backs during his three-and-a-half year tenure.
He said: "We always knew that he was a good player because when we played against Liverpool with Valencia we were checking on them and it was clear that he was a good player.
"I saw him playing in a lot of different positions in defence and he did well in all of them.
"But really you know the players best when you have worked with them because you get to know the mentality and the character and I now know how good Carra is.
"To play 500 games in your career is one thing, but to play them for just one team – to whom you give so much passion and so much determination – is even more special.
"It is really difficult to find players like this in the modern game."
Benitez could not wish for a better role model for the current crop of youngsters in the Academy, with Carra offering 11 years of service to his hometown club.
And the Reds boss believes the best may still be to come from Carragher.
"In football it is very important for clubs to have people coming through the academy, especially local players, so hopefully the young players at Liverpool will learn from Carra," he said.
"He is very professional and he always takes care of himself and I think that has made a big difference to him.
"Sometimes you have players who have a lot of passion but they are not as good professionals as Carra but he can play for a long time because he is always taking care of himself.
"He is still learning as well, especially tactically.
"He is at that age where he has experience and because of that he analyses everything and because of that he learns more all the time.
"That is the reason why he is still improving and in one or two years' time he will not need to be so physical because he has learned the movements and the positions – maybe he will learn the positions before so he doesn't need to go and run, he will be there."
Could have had two by now..Once again our finishing is off
But by the looks of things in the first ten mins we should be able score 3 or 4 tonight as the chances will be there but it's a matter of finishing them off
Looking at that line-up even Rafa believes the league is over.
took long enough
it will be 4 or 5 now
I thought Crouchie had done a Phil Babb there :o
there's the 3rd
and 4th
rafa's job safe for another week by the looks of it. great stuff! ;)
Gerrard hat-trick
Was listening to the radio earlier and they were in and around Anfield asking locals did they back "Boss or board".....One cheeky chappie reckoned he backed the board and we needed a "local lad to do it, someone like John Aldridge".......The knowledgeable Kop indeed.
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2008, 09:53:11 PM
Was listening to the radio earlier and they were in and around Anfield asking locals did they back "Boss or board".....One cheeky chappie reckoned he backed the board and we needed a "local lad to do it, someone like John Aldridge".......The knowledgeable Kop indeed.
would that be the John Aldridge who was born and bred in Liverpool?
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/past_players/players/aldridge/
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2008, 10:08:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2008, 09:53:11 PM
Was listening to the radio earlier and they were in and around Anfield asking locals did they back "Boss or board".....One cheeky chappie reckoned he backed the board and we needed a "local lad to do it, someone like John Aldridge".......The knowledgeable Kop indeed.
would that be the John Aldridge who was born and bred in Liverpool?
The point i would be making is would you want John Aldridge as Liverpool manager?, sure maybe we should give Mike Newell a crack at it if being local is the only pre-requisite.
Poor enough display tonight despite the five goals
Given the chances we had it took way to long to score the first..
Torres looked out of sorts tonight
I predicted 5-0 before the game, did not back it though. It was not a bad performance, what did we have 25 shots or so? Job done. Was always going to be two goals minimum. Can't take any real positives and certainly no negatives.
That will not be the strip, I could almost guarantee it.
Hicks talking to Klinsman may just have saved Rafa's job.
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2008, 10:16:40 PM
I predicted 5-0 before the game, did not back it though. It was not a bad performance, what did we have 25 shots or so? Job done. Was always going to be two goals minimum. Can't take any real positives and certainly no negatives.
That will not be the strip, I could almost guarantee it.
Hicks talking to Klinsman may just have saved Rafa's job.
Im not sure anything would save his job at this point.
Pretty certain winning the European Cup would. Hills go evens he will be manager on the last day, for me that is throwing money away.
Hicks and Gillets apparent Judas approach has turned alot of doubters back into the Pro Rafa chant, which was displayed at tonight's match.
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2008, 10:22:53 PM
Pretty certain winning the European Cup would. Hills go evens he will be manager on the last day, for me that is throwing money away.
Hicks and Gillets apparent Judas approach has turned alot of doubters back into the Pro Rafa chant, which was displayed at tonight's match.
The thing is if Rafa does get the boot and Liverpool get a big name in to replace him and Liverpool start well next season we will soon forget. Fans just want success, do we all remember the United fans protests against the Glazers not a million years ago, they have gone quiet in the last year........
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2008, 10:16:40 PM
I predicted 5-0 before the game, did not back it though. It was not a bad performance, what did we have 25 shots or so? Job done. Was always going to be two goals minimum. Can't take any real positives and certainly no negatives.
That will not be the strip, I could almost guarantee it.
Hicks talking to Klinsman may just have saved Rafa's job.
I had a handicapp bet on Liverpool -3 at the start ;D
Pity i had it as a double with Barcelona beating Seville :(
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2008, 10:22:53 PM
Pretty certain winning the European Cup would. Hills go evens he will be manager on the last day, for me that is throwing money away.
Hicks and Gillets apparent Judas approach has turned alot of doubters back into the Pro Rafa chant, which was displayed at tonight's match.
Only when we went 2 or 3 up though
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 15, 2008, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2008, 10:22:53 PM
Pretty certain winning the European Cup would. Hills go evens he will be manager on the last day, for me that is throwing money away.
Hicks and Gillets apparent Judas approach has turned alot of doubters back into the Pro Rafa chant, which was displayed at tonight's match.
Only when we went 2 or 3 up though
They were chanting his name before the match too.
IMHO,
It was a stupid move by Liverpool to contact Kilnsman.
It was a really stupid move by Liverpool to let it be know that they contacted Kilnsman.
It would be a really f**king stupid move by Liverpool if they employed Kilnsman.
Quote from: Orior on January 15, 2008, 11:15:24 PM
IMHO,
It was a stupid move by Liverpool to contact Kilnsman.
It was a really stupid move by Liverpool to let it be know that they contacted Kilnsman.
It would be a really f**king stupid move by Liverpool if they employed Kilnsman.
True
True
and that can't happen as he has now signed terms with B Munich
thought it was funny hearing the luton fans singing "you are going to get fired in the morning"
Just seen the Rafa's post match interview on Sky Sports news. He simply refused to talk about his position and would only answer questions on the match. Although I'm a united man I feel a high degree of sympathy for Rafa. I think he'll leave Anfield in the summer to save his reputation. The Americans have absolutely no interest or respect for Liverpool FC IMO
Quote from: FermPundit on January 15, 2008, 11:25:17 PM
Just seen the Rafa's post match interview on Sky Sports news. He simply refused to talk about his position and would only answer questions on the match. Although I'm a united man I feel a high degree of sympathy for Rafa. I think he'll leave Anfield in the summer to save his reputation. The Americans have absolutely no interest or respect for Liverpool FC IMO
And even though you are a United fan :P I would agree with you..
But whats to say that if a new man comes in that they won't treat him the same as they are treating Rafa..We could become another Newcastle changing managers every season
It looks like the American invasion of Anfield has done more harm than good..
QuoteTorres looked out of sorts tonight
Can't do it in the big games.....;)
I watched the Mark Lawrenson interview on BBC sport earlier and he is seriously depressed about the situation at Anfield. It's looking bleak in his opinion. What I can't understand is why the americans think Kilnsmann was ideal for the job?? Unproven at club level.
I was chatting Liverpool fans at work today and they have a feeling that Mourinho will be at Anfield in the summer... wishful thinking perhaps
Quote from: FermPundit on January 15, 2008, 11:38:32 PM
I watched the Mark Lawrenson interview on BBC sport earlier and he is seriously depressed about the situation at Anfield. It's looking bleak in his opinion. What I can't understand is why the americans think Kilnsmann was ideal for the job?? Unproven at club level.
I was chatting Liverpool fans at work today and they have a feeling that Mourinho will be at Anfield in the summer... wishful thinking perhaps
Can't see that happening but stranger things have happened..He certainly has a love/hate realationship with the Anfield faithfull
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 15, 2008, 11:42:02 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on January 15, 2008, 11:38:32 PM
I watched the Mark Lawrenson interview on BBC sport earlier and he is seriously depressed about the situation at Anfield. It's looking bleak in his opinion. What I can't understand is why the americans think Kilnsmann was ideal for the job?? Unproven at club level.
I was chatting Liverpool fans at work today and they have a feeling that Mourinho will be at Anfield in the summer... wishful thinking perhaps
Can't see that happening but stranger things have happened..He certainly has a love/hate realationship with the Anfield faithfull
I suppose Mourinho would look at the situation at Liverpool and see it as a major challenge to win the league after nearly 20 years. The premier league is the best competition in europe and I would be surprised if Jose didn't miss it. In saying this given his cold relationship with Roman at Chelsea I'm not sure if Mourinho would enjoy getting involved at 'politics' at another club. Unless the Americans sell up I can't see him heading to Merseyside.
Americans selling up is a option i like...
We defiantly backed the wrong horse when you see how well the Thai's money is going at Man City
Magpie Seanie called it dead right when they came in. LFC were so desperate for a financial saviour to challenge the clout of united and Chelsea that they were welcomed with open arms, especially when they made all the right noises.
Now it seems they are much more circumspect about spending money, and even backing the manager. They are running scared from the weak dollar and it's affecting the club in a real way.
However, contrary to popular sentiment here, when things were going poorly in November, and when the row was at it's height, and when Rafa's agent was leaking stories with Real Madrid, I think the two yanks would have been mad *not* to talk to potential candidates to replace Rafa had he left. It's contingency planning and it seems eminently sensible to me. The stupid part, and the part that makes me think they are now seriously trying to undermine him and make him quit, is to release that fact to the press now, 2 months after it happened.
I think this is a clumsy attempt to engineer Rafa to walk away, thereby sparing them a settlement claim. What they've done now is undermined him, undermined the team and also, ironically, left themselves open to a constructive dismissal claim were Rafa to walk.
Whether we like it or not, soccer is no longer a game, it is now a multi-billion pound international business. And when business men get involved, profit becomes the name of the game, not winning. Winning is only important if it drives profits.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 15, 2008, 11:51:19 PM
Americans selling up is a option i like...
We defiantly backed the wrong horse when you see how well the Thai's money is going at Man City
Well i think the horse we should have backed was the DIC one, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. The americans were all being lauded when they arrived, what they havent done is stay well out of things and let Parry and the board get on with running the football club, in fairness the Glazers have done this.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 16, 2008, 09:33:22 AM
Magpie Seanie called it dead right when they came in. LFC were so desperate for a financial saviour to challenge the clout of united and Chelsea that they were welcomed with open arms, especially when they made all the right noises.
Now it seems they are much more circumspect about spending money, and even backing the manager. They are running scared from the weak dollar and it's affecting the club in a real way.
However, contrary to popular sentiment here, when things were going poorly in November, and when the row was at it's height, and when Rafa's agent was leaking stories with Real Madrid, I think the two yanks would have been mad *not* to talk to potential candidates to replace Rafa had he left. It's contingency planning and it seems eminently sensible to me. The stupid part, and the part that makes me think they are now seriously trying to undermine him and make him quit, is to release that fact to the press now, 2 months after it happened.
I think this is a clumsy attempt to engineer Rafa to walk away, thereby sparing them a settlement claim. What they've done now is undermined him, undermined the team and also, ironically, left themselves open to a constructive dismissal claim were Rafa to walk.
Whether we like it or not, soccer is no longer a game, it is now a multi-billion pound international business. And when business men get involved, profit becomes the name of the game, not winning. Winning is only important if it drives profits.
Agree with that, except the bit in bold. The speculation with Rafa going to Real Madrid was nothing more that what has been going on in the last few years. Once Real Madrid hit a bad run the papers link Rafa to Madrid the next day. There was nothing more concrete than ever before. If they were worried about Rafa leaving, they should have been talking to him and no one else. If Rafa said he was considering it to them directly, then yes by all means look elsewhere but as per Hicks quotes it was also do with not qualifying for the CL knockout stages that had them looking elsewhere.
Winning does drive profits, it generates new support and attracts money to a club. We have not been able to capitalise on the CL win because we have a poor marketing structure, old stadium with little room for valuable Prawn Snadwich Income and our match day revenue is even below Newcastles. By all accounts we could build a 70,000 seater stadium but would we fill it without success. I went over to a Liverpool game in Houlliers last season with 13 tickets and 5 bums to put in them. I got rid of another 4 and took 4 home, stubs attached. Any amount of tickets could have been got that day, only 5 years ago.
We need stability at the club i.e Manager. If we replaced him with would still have to spend money as the squad is weak in lots of areas plus their is no guarantee that they would challenge in the immediate few seasons. Sir Alex was under fierce pressure in the early years and a FA Cup win followed by a Cup Winners Cup game, prob saved his job (Unfortunately)
I would prefer new owners than a new a manager. They are Clowns.
Rafa is pretty far from perfect, and makes some strange decisions, but on balance I too would prefer that the owners changed (as long as it was a change to someone who was content to put the money in, and trust the manager to do the business on the pitch) than Rafa.
I still think that they were wise in trying to cover their bases when there was imminent danger of Rafa leaving, whatever the reason. I'm sure that goes on all over the game. Where I fundamentally disagree with them is in making this public. Nothing wrong with insurance, but no need to tell the world.
Liverpool debt dispute forces Americans to consider sale
By Nick Harris and Jason Burt
Published: 16 January 2008
A dispute between Liverpool's American owners and the club's board over whether to laden the club with massive debts has cast fresh doubt over Tom Hicks and George Gillett's future at Anfield as new rumours circulated yesterday that they have agreed a deal to sell up.
One source, a major football financier, claimed last night that Hicks and Gillett had agreed a deal in principle to sell the club, which they co-own, for £350m, and that a process of due diligence was under way.
The potential buyers most consistently linked with Liverpool in recent months are Dubai International Capital, an investment vehicle ultimately controlled by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, one of the world's richest men. DIC came close to buying Liverpool a year ago and are certainly still circling, although the source suggested that a different investor – or partnership – might be behind the £350m bid. A DIC spokeswoman said: "We can only say 'no comment' at this stage."
Insiders at Liverpool denied a deal had been concluded with DIC, or that any due diligence was underway. Equally, both Hicks and the club maintain in private that Hicks, at least, is an unwilling seller, to anyone, at the moment.
However, a senior source at Liverpool told The Independent that "it is difficult to say categorically what is going on" and it is understood there is a growing schism between the board – which is trying to run the club on a day-to-day basis – and the owners.
The source of this rift is money, specifically a divergence of opinion about how Hicks and Gillett will restructure their finances. When they bought Liverpool last year, they paid for the club entirely with borrowed money, in the form of a £270m loan from the Royal Bank of Scotland. Of that, £174.1m was spent on equity, £44.8m on pre-existing debt, and the balance on working capital. The RBS loan is due to be repaid next month.
The Americans' representatives insist they are close to securing a new £350m loan, most of which will clear their first loan, with the rest spent on initial outlay on the proposed new stadium. The businessmen want to put the new debt directly on to Liverpool's books, guaranteed, crucially, against club assets, not their own.
Contrary to reports, the so-called "global credit crunch" has not been a significant factor in delaying a new loan. Rather, according to a well-placed source, "the very significant block" to the Americans' borrowing plans has been the board's opposition to heaping that debt on the club.
When Hicks and Gillett took over, they made much of the fact, referring to events at Manchester United two years beforehand, that theirs would not be a "Glazer-style" takeover, with the club potentially imperilled by debt set against its assets. Now, it seems, that is exactly what they were planning. Neither has spent any of their own cash yet. Unless they guarantee the new loans with their own money – which they may be unwilling or unable to provide – the impasse will continue.
In that sense, a buyer offering them £350m for their 100 per cent stake could well be attractive. It would allow them to repay their £270m RBS loan and walk away with an £80m profit between them after just a year's involvement. Yet as recently as last autumn, they were valuing the club at an extraordinary £1bn, a figure unrelated to financial reality.
Hicks and Gillett's relationship with the board is rapidly becoming as fractious as that with their manager, Rafa Benitez, upon whom they heaped huge embarrassment on Monday when Hicks revealed he had interviewed Jürgen Klinsmann in November as a stand-by candidate for Benitez's job.
"You might be able to make a case that they let Rafa know this had happened," said one exasperated Liverpool source. "But what on earth Hicks thought he would achieve by telling the world is beyond anyone."
Until the Americans have either resolved their financing problems or sold the club, plans for the new stadium, like Benitez's future, will remain up in the air.
Liverpool anger as Hicks reveals secret approach to Klinsmann
Andy Hunter
Wednesday January 16, 2008
The Guardian
Tom Hicks's admission that Jürgen Klinsmann was approached to succeed Rafael Benítez has spread internal division at Liverpool into the boardroom, with the other co-chairman, George Gillett, and the chief executive, Rick Parry, enraged by the public revelations which have undermined the Spanish manager and exposed the Americans' ownership to ridicule.
Hicks had intended to draw a line under the uncertainty about Benítez's future - at least until the end of the season - by saying that although he had spoken to Klinsmann last November he now backed Liverpool's current manager after the club qualified for the Champions League knockout stages. Instead the Texan has fuelled the infighting at Anfield as well as damaging Benítez's long-term prospects at the club.
Gillett is understood to be livid with his business partner at the embarrassment the Klinsmann revelations have caused and the fury it has provoked against their reign among the Liverpool support. It is not the meeting with the former Germany national team coach which has irked Gillett, however, because he himself was present at Hicks's Californian retreat when the Liverpool owners tried to secure their "insurance policy" against Benítez's rumoured departure. Klinsmann has since accepted an offer to coach Bayern Munich from July 1 and Gillett had intended the clandestine meeting to remain private.
The falling-out comes at a sensitive time for the Liverpool co-chairmen, given that they have six weeks to secure a £350m loan that would refinance their purchase of the club and enable work on a revised stadium project to commence. Failure to finalise a deal with the Royal Bank of Scotland and the US investment bank Wachovia, which rests on personal guarantees from the American pair, would heighten problems for Gillett and Hicks and increase the prospect of Dubai International Capital launching a fresh takeover bid. Sources close to the owners, however, are adamant the loan will be in place within the next few weeks.
Benítez could sue Hicks for constructive dismissal after this week's comments but he would have to resign from a job he cherishes before taking legal action and he is not considering that option at present. He would also risk losing a £6m pay-off should he walk away from Anfield.
Liverpool's former manager Kenny Dalglish yesterday insisted Benítez did not deserve to be treated so poorly for his public outburst against the Americans' transfer policy last November and said instability at the club had begun to affect the playing staff. "I think it's a disappointing phase when Liverpool, who have never washed the dirty linen in public, have contributed over the past two or three months to a lot of headlines which really you had never seen before," he said
it's plainly obvious that Gillet is the more sensible of the 2
Ian Callaghan on Jamie Carragher
Liverpool's record appearance holder Ian Callaghan has hailed Jamie Carragher as one the greatest players in the club's history after the defender clocked up a landmark 500th appearance against Luton Town last night.
The Reds legend, who played 857 matches for the club in a period spanning 18 years, knows just what it takes to enjoy such longevity with England's most decorated side and feels Carra's enthusiasm and love for the club have helped turn him into one of most valuable players Anfield has ever seen.
"It's quite a milestone and he certainly deserves all the praise he will get," Callaghan told Liverpoolfc.tv.
"It's no surprise to me because he's one of the most consistent players I've ever watched. Season after season he continues to produce the goods despite playing in up to 50 matches every year. He has such enthusiasm for both the club and the game in general and I think it does confirm his status as one of greatest players in Liverpool's history."
The landmark appearance means Carragher has now been officially inducted into the exclusive '500 club' - a unique group of Reds players of which there only 11 other members.
Cally believes the statistic proves just how important the 29-year-old's service has been for Liverpool over the years and insists he would be loathe to pick out one Carra moment in particular, as he feels it is his consistency over a long period that has been his strength.
"To be one of just 12 players in Liverpool's history to make 500 appearances says it all really," he said.
"I don't think I could pick out one particular memory that I think epitomises him as he always gives 100% every game. I keep talking about his enthusiasm and commitment, but that's what you get from him. He's always brilliant and prepared to do anything for the cause."
With just four goals in that time, Carra is unlikely to trouble Ian Rush's record of 346 goals for the club. And while Cally doesn't expect him to surpass his leading total of appearances for the Reds, he admits that if someone was to break it, he'd want it to be the no-nonsense number 23.
"I don't know if he'll ever beat my record," said Callaghan. "He's got 357 games to go, so it would take some doing. We'll have to wait and see but if anyone is going to do it, I'd love it to be him.
"It would be all the better if a local lad did it because I'm local too and it means more if someone from the area is reaching these types of landmarks.
"He's been the backbone of the team for countless years now and will be remembered in the future as a great player for Liverpool."
Arabs refuse to play down talk of buying into Liverpool FC
Jan 17 2008
Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks could be on the brink of being offered a way out of the troubled club.
A year ago this month Dubai International Capital were stunned by the last-minute failure of their bid to take control of the club but it is believed they are now set to try to buy the American's 50% stake in Anfield.
And DIC today made no attempt to play down speculation when a spokesman said: "We do not comment on such things, we have nothing to say on this."
But as the turmoil over the ownership of Liverpool by Hicks and fellow American George Gillett continues it has become clear DIC have never given up hope of owning the club, with lifelong fan and founder and chairman of DIC Sameer al-Ansari believed to be at the forefront of new moves.
It is the 44-year-old Loughborough University-educated financier who was the prime mover in last January's failed bid for the club, working on behalf of the real power behind DIC Sheikh Mohammed Al Maktoum.
A year ago then-chairman David Moores changed his mind at the last minute with DIC expecting to clinch their deal, and opted instead to sell to the Americans.
A board meeting at a London Docklands hotel hours before last January's match at West Ham signalled the change of heart.
But Al-Ansari has maintained close links with Liverpool, and in particular chief executive Rick Parry, and still attends matches regularly with his family.
And it is understood he has persuaded Sheikh Mohammed to become involved in a second bid.
Al-Ansari has also recently been linked with Sir Richard Branson's move to take over Northern Rock.
His Liverpool devotion was underlined recently when he said: "It took me two weeks to get over that (the failed bid), but it didn't dent my passion, I still go to every match when I am here."
The Liverpool Echo, in a report today, maintain an offer for Hicks' shares is being prepared and may even have been agreed in principle.
It was Gillett who brought Hicks on board last year when he did not have enough money to mount a solo bid for the club. Exactly where it would leave Gillett if DIC did buy into the club is open to doubt.
But the two Americans have discovered they have lost the backing of the club's supporters in recent weeks, compounded by the shocked outcry following Hicks' confirmation the pair had met Jurgen Klinsmann and offered him boss Rafael Benitez's job.
Hicks and Gillett have to reach an agreement with the Royal Bank of Scotland within six weeks to refinance the loan they took out to buy the club in the first place.
And there is major opposition from within the Liverpool board, believed to come from Moores and Parry, to any move that will see the club take on some of the debt from the loan.
Hicks could accept the bid and get out now with a profit, or continue with the refinancing plans, believed to be a matter of days from completion.
But with Liverpool fans preparing further demonstrations against the Americans at Monday's home match with Aston Villa, Hicks and Gillett could decide that their problems will only escalate if they continue to control the club from their bases in Dallas and Montreal.
However, the fact is that plans for the new stadium have still to be agreed a year after the takeover and funds to allow Benitez to compete with Manchester United and Chelsea have not been made available.
Hicks recently said he did not want to sell his shares but the reaction to his and Gillett's tenure this week from the fans could well see a change of heart.
Where would we be without the Liverpool fancy dress party? ;D
Football star Steven Gerrard posed as a geriatric when he turned-up at Liverpool's colourful fancy dress bash - as a disabled pensioner riding a mobility scooter.
Donning a flat cap and puffing on a pipe, the Liverpool skipper stunned his teammates as he trundled into the party venue on an 5mph electric scooter.
Still buzzing from netting three goals in his team's 5-0 FA Cup thrashing of Luton, Gerrard joined the rest of the team for their belated Christmas party.
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One passer-by was fooled by Stevie's brilliant disguise and offered to help the England midfielder from the four-wheel chair outside Sports Bar England in Liverpool city centre.
One reveller said: "This old looking guy drove up to the door in this electric scooter so I just thought he was a bit confused and offered him help.
"Next minute some of the players in the bar shouted it was Steven Gerrard in the chair."
"Afterwards they were calling him Steven Geri-hatric after his three goals. I was gobsmacked and totally fooled because it was a hell of a disguise."
The players put the Kop giants' off-field turmoil behind them for the night as they partied the night away in the plush haunt on Stanley Street.
Gerrard may have been the driving force of the fancy dress team, but it was fellow scouser Carra who had the X-factor.
The defender dazzled in a glittering silver suit and wig as he went as tele crooner Rhydian.
The reality tv theme was kept us by the Dane Daniel Agger, who turned up more looking like Big Bro livewire Pete Burns
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And the hilarious party was doused with a touch of controversy when Mail midlfielder Momo Sissokko stormed in as terror chief Osama Bin Laden.
Spanish midfiled maestro Xabi Alonso sipped luvly bubbly in a Del Boy outfit and Peter Crouch sparked fits of giggles went as a 6ft9 penguin.
Norweigan John Arne Riise flew in as Batman - but dissapointingly there was no Batmobile - while striker Dirk Kuyt claimed to be the King.
Only spoilsports Fernando Torres, Yosi Benayoun, and Alvero Albeloa chose to go in their own clothes.
Flying dutchman Ryan Babel made a less-than-impressive effort to be Hollywood Star Will Smith in jeans and a black tracksuit top.
The only noticeable absentee was boss Rafa Benitez as the players partied into the early hours, feasting on food and drink from the menu at the bar owned by Jamie Carragher.
The team then crossed the road for a lock-in at Aldo's bar - where they joined owner and ex-Kop hero John Aldridge for more drinks.
There Carra grabbed the mic and blasted out a hilarious impression of Rhydian and Kuyt tried to take off Elvis in a Stars in your Eyes style singing contest.
An onlooker said: "Carra couldn't resist getting up on the mic but he was dressed as Rhydian so I think he felt obliged to.
"Although I don't think the Welshman will be quaking in his boots judging by that performance.
"I would have loved to have been sitting at the players' table it looked like they were having a whale of a time."
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Rafa was there.... He was the fat waiter serving the food. A very cunning disguise.. :D :D
another day - another Liverpool jersey
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Not bad, but do they not realise that those jerseys can be hard to see in the middle of game? ;)
Only at The Dell :D
It's a Tesco now anyway.
FA Premier League All time records
Year Winner Runners-up
1992–93 Manchester United Aston Villa
1993–94 Manchester United Blackburn Rovers
1994–95 Blackburn Rovers Manchester United
1995–96 Manchester United Newcastle United
1996–97 Manchester United Newcastle United
1997–98 Arsenal Manchester United
1998–99 Manchester United Arsenal
1999–2000 Manchester United Arsenal
2000–01 Manchester United Arsenal
2001–02 Arsenal Liverpool
2002–03 Manchester United Arsenal
2003–04 Arsenal Chelsea
2004–05 Chelsea Arsenal
2005–06 Chelsea Manchester United
2006–07 Manchester United Chelsea
2007-98 LIVERPOOL
???
oh - were you trying to be funny?
www.bbc.co.uk
Liverpool braced for takeover bid
By Phil McNulty
Chief football writer
Dubai International Capital - the investment arm of the Dubai Government - is ready to table a new £350m bid to buy Liverpool Football Club.
BBC Sport understands DIC has drawn up plans to take control from American duo George Gillett and Tom Hicks.
But the deal is subject to conditions which Gillett and Hicks are currently unwilling to meet.
DIC was originally thought to be ready to make an offer for Hicks' 50% share, but now favours a total buy-out.
DIC was close to buying the club in January 2007, but pulled out when Liverpool refused to agree to a deadline on the deal and moved into advanced negotiations with Hicks and Gillett.
The interest has now been seriously revived, but DIC is insistent it will not pay over the odds to buy the club, and until Gillett and Hicks agree to certain terms contained within the deal, an impasse has been reached.
DIC has put together a package of around £350m to put to Gillett and Hicks, which also includes taking on the debts incurred by the pair when they took control in March last year.
Gillett and Hicks' reign has caused turmoil on and off the pitch at Liverpool, and DIC has always maintained a close eye on Liverpool's situation, despite the collapse of the previous deal.
The Americans are currently attempting to finalise terms on a £350m loan that would enable them to repay money borrowed for their £218.9m takeover, repay loans used to sign players, and enable them to start work on a re-scaled plan for a new stadium in Stanley Park.
DIC hopes the offer would present the American duo with a get-out clause before they take out the massive loan.
Hicks, in particular, is under pressure after being subjected to heavy criticism from fans following public disagreements with popular manager Rafael Benitez.
He has also come under fire for his admission that talks had been held with Jurgen Klinsmann about possibly succeeding the Spaniard.
Liverpool fans will turn up the heat on Gillett and Hicks with an orchestrated protest at Monday night's game against Aston Villa.
Website Reclaim The Kop issued a statement claiming they were "not fit to be associated with our club" and banners criticising the Americans and calling on DIC to launch a bid were held aloft on The Kop during the FA Cup win against Luton.
Liverpool supporters are also concerned at how much of the £350m loan will be shifted on to the club's books - with crippling interest payments.
They will also have to fund the £300m stadium plan, with a decision expected soon after two new designs were studied by Gillett and Hicks, along with chief executive Rick Parry, in New York earlier this month.
A spokeman for the Americans said on Thursday: "Any suggestion Hicks and Gillett are contemplating a sale of the club or any portion of it is categorically untrue."
DIC backed away from a £150m price tag for a 15% stake in Liverpool last October, but the financial uncertainty surrounding the club has increased and there is hope a new offer will prove more tempting.
Please God it'll happen. Nobody knows what DIC will be like but they couldn't be any worse than that gobshite Tom Hicks.
Quote from: Flat Hedgehog on January 18, 2008, 08:00:12 PM
FA Premier League All time records
Year Winner Runners-up
1992–93 Manchester United Aston Villa
1993–94 Manchester United Blackburn Rovers
1994–95 Blackburn Rovers Manchester United
1995–96 Manchester United Newcastle United
1996–97 Manchester United Newcastle United
1997–98 Arsenal Manchester United
1998–99 Manchester United Arsenal
1999–2000 Manchester United Arsenal
2000–01 Manchester United Arsenal
2001–02 Arsenal Liverpool
2002–03 Manchester United Arsenal
2003–04 Arsenal Chelsea
2004–05 Chelsea Arsenal
2005–06 Chelsea Manchester United
2006–07 Manchester United Chelsea
2007-98 LIVERPOOL
Not this year I fear.
Nothing less than a win over Villa tomorrow will do after yesterdays results..
Hicks denies Liverpool sale talk
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Gillett (left) and Hicks took over the club in March 2007
Under-fire Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks says he has no intention of selling his 50% stake in the club.
BBC Sport understands an offer to buy out Hicks and co-owner George Gillett is being readied by Dubai International Capital (DIC).
But Hicks said: "I've not received any offer to purchase the club from DIC or anyone else, much less accepted any such offer.
"Nor do I have any intention of doing so," added the American.
Hicks and Gillett are currently looking to refinance the club's debt.
The Americans are trying to arrange a £350m loan that would enable them to repay money borrowed for their £218.9m takeover in March 2007.
606: DEBATE
What do you think of what is going on at Liverpool?
They would also then be able to repay loans used to sign players and start work on a re-scaled plan for a new stadium in Stanley Park.
Reports in Liverpool on Sunday even suggested that the club had been sold to DIC.
"Whoever is behind this false report, the facts are that I and my family have always been, and remain, fully committed to co-owning the club," said Hicks.
"No-one in my family has ever indicated any intention or desire to sell our stake in the club.
"We expect and intend to be co-owners of the club, and to actively and enthusiastically support the club's manager, players and fans for many years to come."
Liverpool decided to sell to Hicks and Gillett instead of DIC last March but the American businessmen in particular Hicks, have been criticised for the way they have run the club.
Hicks admitted to talks last November with Jurgen Klinsmann about the German taking over from Rafael Benitez as manager.
The owners and Benitez have also had a very public spat after the Spaniard criticised their transfer policy.
Some Liverpool fans are planning to hold a protest against the American owners at Monday's home game against Aston Villa.
God this game just started and there hasn't been a word on it. I know things of the pitch are depressing but surely we can still build up a bit of interest for this game. I see Kewell is getting a run out again. Should be a good game with Villa going well at the minute aswell.
Benny Noon :D
dirk kuyt=worst
Its all set up for a kick in the balls at the death........
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2008, 09:23:30 PM
Its all set up for a kick in the balls at the death........
Was just thinking the same myself
What has Kuyt been at?
Get that shit out of here......f**king BASTARDS
Holy f**k! I don't have it on TV can youse up date me?
f**k me pink >:( >:( >:( >:(
Liverpool fell asleep at two free-kicks in two minutes - Villa scored from the knock-downs both times, one an over-head kick, the other a deflected o.g. off Aurelio.
Seriously - how bad is Dirk Kuyt?
He's still on - he is truly rubbish. How do they seriously expect to challenge for anything with him in their team?
The season/club is unravelling.
They'd actually played well enough tonight until the two minutes of madness. They should have been more than one up.
Go on ya Crouchie boy
If I was him I'd leave - he's been treated like a dog by Rafa
Nice finish from Crouch - awful defending from Villa!
WERE BACK!!!
A draw is no fecking use either........
f**king tossers
I don't think the Americans can be blamed for that. Liverpool dominated the game, but fell asleep at two free-kicks. Sooner or later the players and management have to take a bit of responsibility for something.
Quote from: J70 on January 21, 2008, 09:57:32 PM
I don't think the Americans can be blamed for that. Liverpool dominated the game, but fell asleep at two free-kicks. Sooner or later the players and management have to take a bit of responsibility for something.
Definetley, the Yanks didnt make Kewell, Kuyt etc shite players. The unrest at the minute will be used as a smokescreen, you will be waiting a while for a premiership footballer to take responsibility.
Can't defend. Thats not the owners fault. We're f*cked.
Quote from: Silky on January 21, 2008, 10:04:16 PM
Can't defend. Thats not the owners fault. We're f*cked.
The problem with Liverpool is inflated expectations from the start of the season! - Happens every year! - Quite similar to Newcastle (though granted - you lot have been spoiled in the past! :-[ )
Every year all my Liverpool supporting buds inform me Liverpool will win the league this year! - Lads its a long way off still! ;)
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2008, 10:03:50 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 21, 2008, 09:57:32 PM
I don't think the Americans can be blamed for that. Liverpool dominated the game, but fell asleep at two free-kicks. Sooner or later the players and management have to take a bit of responsibility for something.
Definetley, the Yanks didnt make Kewell, Kuyt etc shite players. The unrest at the minute will be used as a smokescreen, you will be waiting a while for a premiership footballer to take responsibility.
Gerrard hits out at unstable Reds
Gerrard has grown tired of the constant speculation at Liverpool
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard says speculation over the club's ownership and the future of manager Rafa Benitez is affecting the players on the pitch.
Liverpool lie fifth in the Premier League after a 2-2 draw at home to Aston Villa and are 14 points adrift of Manchester United and Arsenal.
Gerrard said: "It's not just this week, it's been going on for some time and it's certainly not helping the players.
"I've got to be careful what I say, but it's certainly not helping the team."
Liverpool have come under intense media scrutiny in recent weeks after prolonged speculation over Benitez's future and the management direction of American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
You try to put what's going on off the pitch to the back of your mind
Last week, Hicks revealed he had spoken to Jurgen Klinsmann in November about the possibility of taking over from Benitez, before the German agreed to become Bayern Munich's new coach at the start of next season.
The revelation followed a very public spat between Benitez and the Americans over the Spaniard's transfer policy.
BBC Sport understands Dubai Investment Capital is preparing a bid to buy the club from the American duo, who took charge less than a year ago.
Supporters at Anfield on Monday chanted and held up banners in support of Benitez, while also asking for Hicks and Gillett to sell the club to DIC.
Gerrard added: "We know what's going on, but as players you've got a job to do on the pitch and you try to put what's going on off the pitch to the back of your mind.
"But sometimes it's impossible, when it is every day."
That's balls.
It looks like it's fairy obvious that the players want to ratchet up the pressure on the owners. If the players start using the boardroom shennanigans as an easy opt out excuse, the fans will continue to go ballistic at the Americans. I'd say LFC/Gillette and Hicks would take DIC's hands off now if they made a decent offer
Gerard would be best advised at concentrating on addressing his own deficiencies, of which there are a few. Particularly bad again last night I thought, wayward passing and shooting being his main contributions. Bad and all as Benyaououn was, at least he can hold the ball and is a bit more creative. Can't see Liverpool winning the Premiership until Gerard is sold, I gotta say.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2008, 09:36:39 AM
It looks like it's fairy obvious that the players want to ratchet up the pressure on the owners. If the players start using the boardroom shennanigans as an easy opt out excuse, the fans will continue to go ballistic at the Americans. I'd say LFC/Gillette and Hicks would take DIC's hands off now if they made a decent offer
I'm sorry but what colour is the sky in your world?
The yanks are businessmen and don't give two flying fucks about the fans and their protest. They will sell Liverpool when the money is right and they have made a handsome profit and not before it. Unfortuantly with the stock markets falling their investment is worth considerably less than it was last week so they'll hang around for a couple of years until the markets improve.
They are business men and don't think in terms of football seasons the way we do. All they want is a profit and DIC won't be able to give them it this year.
They probably don't even know that a couple of thousand fans protested last night.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 22, 2008, 08:18:39 AM
Quote from: Silky on January 21, 2008, 10:04:16 PM
Can't defend. Thats not the owners fault. We're f*cked.
The problem with Liverpool is inflated expectations from the start of the season! - Happens every year! - Quite similar to Newcastle (though granted - you lot have been spoiled in the past! :-[ )
Every year all my Liverpool supporting buds inform me Liverpool will win the league this year! - Lads its a long way off still! ;)
Spot on. Reminds me of England fans spouting on every time the world cup comes around about how they are going to win it. ::)
Quote from: Silky on January 22, 2008, 09:42:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2008, 09:36:39 AM
It looks like it's fairy obvious that the players want to ratchet up the pressure on the owners. If the players start using the boardroom shennanigans as an easy opt out excuse, the fans will continue to go ballistic at the Americans. I'd say LFC/Gillette and Hicks would take DIC's hands off now if they made a decent offer
I'm sorry but what colour is the sky in your world?
The yanks are businessmen and don't give two flying fucks about the fans and their protest. They will sell Liverpool when the money is right and they have made a handsome profit and not before it. Unfortuantly with the stock markets falling their investment is worth considerably less than it was last week so they'll hang around for a couple of years until the markets improve.
They are business men and don't think in terms of football seasons the way we do. All they want is a profit and DIC won't be able to give them it this year.
They probably don't even know that a couple of thousand fans protested last night.
What colour is the sky on your world? If they sold it today, they'd make 85 million profit. They haven't put a cent in themselves, it's all been a loan so far. That loan will need to start to be paid off in about a month. They board are rejecting the Glazer option of saddling the club with the owner's debt, ergo they will have to borrow privately, or else spend their own cash. If DIC gives them an out, and the team, manager and fans continue to protest, why would they stay?
I agree that if there was no viable option, they wouldn't bother their ar*e, but there seems to be a viable alternative that will give them a decent return.
If they sold it last week they would have made a profit. Do you ever listen to the news? They'll make nothing near £85m today. Things have changed.
To quote Harold McMillan - "Events, dear boy events"!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7201658.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7201658.stm)
From a Villa point of view I was dissapointed that we could not hold on for the final few minutes, but all things considered a point at Anfield is a good result. Thought Liverpool struggled at the back all night with the physical threat of Carew and when Harewood came on this was highlighted even more.
When I seen the teams last night I knew we had a chance of getting a result, players like Kuyt, Kewel and Benayoun (granted he scored) do not frighten me and frankly they would not get a game for Villa. Think that is what distinguishes Liverpool from the rest of the so called 'top four' they have too many average players. Crouch would be a starter every game for me.
there is a real battle for fourth this year and for the first time in several years we have something to play for after Christmas.
Our American friends will be watching the NY stock exchange nervously. It's due to reopen later today after the Martin Luther King holiday.
They could find themselves in serious difficulties if the market continues to fall and there won't be many lining up to buy at a price they can afford to sell at.
Watched the game with a mad Scouser last night and he was ready to f**k everything at the TV. Totally frustrated by Rafa and his selection policy. Even the fact that he brought on a centre half when Villa equalised. Despite what people are saying about Kuyt - he made the goal last night, but Benayoun wouldn't get his game on my kids team. So one footed it's unreal and so easy to read what he's going to do. How can anybody have Kewell on a team? Crouch must be wondering what he has to do and as far Stevie G - completely overrated - he was rubbish last night and when I saw them live against City over Christmas I paid particular attention to his movement and contribution - as the game went on and Liverpool needed him to influence the game he hid.
Notwithstanding the owners etc - Rafa isn't up to it and they have only 1 world class player - Torres - and he was poor last night.
PS - Villa are pretty poor as well - No attempt to play constructive football at all - Reina didn't have a save to make until he picked the ball out of the net and it just shows how impoverished the premier league is when they are challenging for 4th.
Torres is used to the Xmas break in Spain and to me it looks like he is tired at the moment.
Gerard was hopeless last night. Didnt try a leg.
Kuyt Benayoun and Kewell have been given enough chances this season to prove themselves.
It hasnt happened so they should be put out to grass asap.
Rafa and the yanks have to go. They havent a clue and his team selection and tactics are dragging the club down the table.
He is a likeable guy but we are going nowhere fast
In my book we should now be outsiders in the race for 4th.
Complaints about Benitez resting Torres - now complaints that he's looking tired? :-\
To me he is tired and has been the past few games. Touch is off and a yard slower in pace and ends up getting flattened like last night.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 22, 2008, 10:33:51 AM
From a Villa point of view I was dissapointed that we could not hold on for the final few minutes, but all things considered a point at Anfield is a good result. Thought Liverpool struggled at the back all night with the physical threat of Carew and when Harewood came on this was highlighted even more.
You can't be serious?
I thought Villa were actually pretty poor to be honest. They didn't have a single chance worthy of the name until Harewood decided to knock in an overhead kick of all things and then it took a huge slice of luck for Mellberg's effort to be deflected over the head of Reina. Up to then Villa had been completely toothless up front and had been pinned in their own half for most of the game. Hyppia had Carew in his pocket and Sami is ancient.
I was very serious GBB, maybe its small team syndrome on our behalf but when we go to places like Anfield, OT etc we will play a containment type of game, the onus is not on us to attack too early for fear of being exposed at the back. In my opinion O'Neill got it right with tactics last night, we were one down and he brought on another striker who changed the game, contrast this with Rafa's changes and i think you will see my point, for you to basically imply that harewood's goal was a freak is ludicrous, credit where credit is due he did very well and actually looked very good every time he ran at the liverpool defence, the game should have been over when we went 2-1 up if Gabby had released the ball sooner to Reo-Coker. From my barstool I thought Carew won his battle up front, typical Liverpool reaction really as they cannot accept their obvious deficiences, as if to illustrate my point Laursen won every header in the liverpool box last night did he not? He was immense again but will feel he should have cleared the ball for the equaliser.
As poor a Liverpool team we have faced in years in my opinion.
If they don't get the defence sorted soon they'll be lucky to be playing UEFA cup football next year. Rafa is a greast guy but needs to sort out the defence quickly.
Finnan has retired from International football
Quote from: An Fear Rua on January 22, 2008, 02:55:04 PM
Finnan has retired from International football
He retired from club football a few months ago.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 22, 2008, 02:39:15 PM
I was very serious GBB, maybe its small team syndrome on our behalf but when we go to places like Anfield, OT etc we will play a containment type of game, the onus is not on us to attack too early for fear of being exposed at the back. In my opinion O'Neill got it right with tactics last night, we were one down and he brought on another striker who changed the game, contrast this with Rafa's changes and i think you will see my point, for you to basically imply that harewood's goal was a freak is ludicrous, credit where credit is due he did very well and actually looked very good every time he ran at the liverpool defence, the game should have been over when we went 2-1 up if Gabby had released the ball sooner to Reo-Coker. From my barstool I thought Carew won his battle up front, typical Liverpool reaction really as they cannot accept their obvious deficiences, as if to illustrate my point Laursen won every header in the liverpool box last night did he not? He was immense again but will feel he should have cleared the ball for the equaliser.
As poor a Liverpool team we have faced in years in my opinion.
Frankly we should have been 2 or 3 up even before Harewood produced an overhead kick which he probably won't manage for the remainder of his career but fair play to him he took it well.
I was actually disappointed with Villa. I thought they would have a go but really they were just hanging on for the entire game and then managed to nick something from a set-piece (which seems to be Villa's main way of scoring these days). I thought Carew was a big immobile lump up front. Sami had no trouble with him.
As a footballing side Villa offered very little. A few long balls into the box which to be fair they are good at as they have a fair few big players but that's it. Villa went 2-1 up having only been in the Liverpool penalty area twice all game so in that sense they were certainly economical.
Unfortunately for us it was a typical home performance this season. Dominate the game, dominate possession but not taking chances when they are presented. A 1-0 lead is not a safe one so it reminded me of the game against Wigan in that regard.
Watched the game last night in hope of some entertainment and was not let down. Obviously it wasn't the standard of play (I knew that would be mediocre at best) but I suspected the behaviour of the creators of the bestest ever atmosphere at games ever would be comical. So it proved. They started off full of gusto. Gone are the big embraces, scarf throwing and fawning that greeted the arrival of the yanks. Plenty of vitriolic chants in their direction. Understandable, if somewhat belated and a complete U-turn. 1-0 up and its Rafa this, Rafa that. Rafa's a great fella altogether. I found that a bit amusing. The fat waiter may be a nice chap but he's not going to win the Premiership with Liverpool and the fans are happy with this?
Fast forward to 2 Villa goals from set pieces. Plenty of camera shots of the vitriol being poured down on the players and management. Lads leaving in considerable numbers with 5 minutes plus stoppages to go (I thought this only happened in Old Trafford?).
It would make you laugh.
Someone said it earlier on this thread and last night highlighted, underlined and bolded it - Liverpool will not win the Premiership with Steven Gerrard in central midfield.
On Villa - I thought they were muck and very disappointing up until they scored. After that they were good enough and really should have seen out the win. Liverpool probably deserved the draw on the balance of play but Villa should be sick about it as it was a bad mistake by Laursen.
Why do you bother your arse Seanie?
Go troll elsewhere.
Go and immerse yourself with the real issues Seanie, like whether youse should have a minutes silence or a minutes applause before the Man City game.
QuoteWhy do you bother your arse Seanie?
Well a couple of things like the American owners and Gerrard I've been told I'm wrong about many times on here and I'm just delighted to see that a lot of people are coming round to my viewpoint. Just trying to help you along. ;D
Quotelike whether youse should have a minutes silence or a minutes applause before the Man City game.
Well to be honest as said by a spokesman for Manchester United (they are right about this) I don't see any reason why you would applaud 28 people being killed in an accident. If people can't keep quiet identify them and (1) never let them go to a match again (2) charge them with incitement to cause a riot. There will be enough cameras at OT on the day to cover that corner. Maybe I'm naive but I think the cITy fans will have respect in the end.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 22, 2008, 03:15:35 PM
Why do you bother your arse Seanie?
Go troll elsewhere.
If he lost a bit of the triumphalist and patronizing tone, he makes an arguable point.
Quote from: J70 on January 22, 2008, 05:55:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 22, 2008, 03:15:35 PM
Why do you bother your arse Seanie?
Go troll elsewhere.
If he lost a bit of the triumphalist and patronizing tone, he makes an arguable point.
Aye but its still hard to take from a[ Edited by Mod 3 - There are clear rules about the childish name calling between Liverpool and Man U fans especially. This is not on. Silky, you are now on a warning].
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2008, 04:50:55 PM
QuoteWhy do you bother your arse Seanie?
Well a couple of things like the American owners and Gerrard I've been told I'm wrong about many times on here and I'm just delighted to see that a lot of people are coming round to my viewpoint. Just trying to help you along. ;D
Quotelike whether youse should have a minutes silence or a minutes applause before the Man City game.
Well to be honest as said by a spokesman for Manchester United (they are right about this) I don't see any reason why you would applaud 28 people being killed in an accident. If people can't keep quiet identify them and (1) never let them go to a match again (2) charge them with incitement to cause a riot. There will be enough cameras at OT on the day to cover that corner. Maybe I'm naive but I think the cITy fans will have respect in the end.
The vast majority of City fans will be respectful, but it will only take a few idiots to spoil it, resulting in outbursts of sanctimony from all corners of the globe from United fans. How long did we have to hear about the couple of knobs who broke the sinks at Old Trafford during the '06 FA cup semi?
The whole Rafa v Yanks story certainly galvanised the fans and made for a very noisy atmosphere, which should have spurred the team on if anything. Gerrard's comments are a shit excuse really, every Liverpool player is paid a vast amount of money to go out and do a job for 90 mins or less on the pitch, if you are less committed or not concentrating on the game because the fans are agitated about some doomsday scenario whereby the manager might leave(as if they all haven't played under countless managers anyway) then you shouldn't be playing sport at the top level.
Just heard there that Havant and Waterlooville have turned down Liverpool's request to keep all of Saturday's gate receipts.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 22, 2008, 06:42:39 PM
Just heard there that Havant and Waterlooville have turned down Liverpool's request to keep all of Saturday's gate receipts.
:D
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 22, 2008, 06:42:39 PM
Just heard there that Havant and Waterlooville have turned down Liverpool's request to keep all of Saturday's gate receipts.
:D :D
I was athe game last night and came away obviously very deflated and dissapointed.
Villa were terrible, simple as. I thought they were brutal and only a three minute 'crazy' period changed the outcome of the match. Liverpool dominated the whole match but once again our problem of not extending a lead became our downfall. When United, Arsenal and to a lesser extent Chelsea go one up they have the conviction and threat to find the second and kill the game off, we do not.
For all our domination I think we achieved four shots on target and something like 10 off. The nost frustarting thing about last night was the amount of times Yossi or Kewell beat a man on the edge of the box and instead of having a shot, decided to pick out a man. Another problem we have had over the last few years is our inability to deliver good crosses from corners. No team is as bad as Liverpool when it comes to not beating the first man.
Of the players last night. Torres, Kuyt, Kewell, Gerrard, Aurelio were all very, very poor.
Mascherano was absolutely brilliant and at when people rate Hargreaves ahead of him I have to laugh in disbelief, the man is a class act and once again proved it last night, despite his usual discipline problem. Hyypia was man of the match by a country mile. One of his best performances in a red shirt.
As a squad we are still some way off the top three. Of the 11 that started last night I would put eight down as players who could be part of a premiership winning squad the three I have left out are Yossi, Kuyt and Kewell.
Skertl looked decent when he came on but that was when we were pushing for a win, Crouch is incredibly under used. I am a big Rafa fam but that is crazy.
The atmosphere last night was excellent but eerie. The chants were loud for Rafa and the anti- American songs were loud and clear. Of course there is no guarantee that the DIC men will be our saviour.
Depressing time, I still fancy us in Europe.
QuoteIf he lost a bit of the triumphalist and patronizing tone
You have a point here, granted. But sure its all part of the craic!
If united were falling apart and 14 points behind liverpool i am sure none of yous would be on the united thread gloating
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
Depressing time, I still fancy us in Europe.
:D :D
Jaysus corn, I would have had you for a brave knowledgable chap
Quote from: full back on January 23, 2008, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
Depressing time, I still fancy us in Europe.
:D :D
Jaysus corn, I would have had you for a brave knowledgable chap
Well, we won it with worse in recent times - Traroe has one of those shiny CL medals, so does Dudek, so does, Josemi, so does Baros, Cisse, Garcia etc etc etc.
Hyypia, Riise, Benayoun, Kuyt, Sissoko, Voronin, Kewell (again)
Not many worse than these at the minute.....
Quote from: full back on January 23, 2008, 05:27:57 PM
Hyypia, Riise, Benayoun, Kuyt, Sissoko, Voronin, Kewell (again)
Not many worse than these at the minute.....
Well time will tell and history says no matter how many crap players we have, we can still be optimistic about reaching a CL final. Rafa 2 finals out of 3 attempts, 1 win. Slur Alex 1 final out of 20 odd??, 1 win. Statistically we have a better probability of getting there ;D ;D
Lets hope you do very well & enjoy it this year bingo as the way things are going you wont be in it next year ;)
Quote from: full back on January 23, 2008, 05:27:57 PM
Hyypia, Riise, Benayoun, Kuyt, Sissoko, Voronin, Kewell (again)
Not many worse than these at the minute.....
Is Benayoun that bad?
Only seem Liverpool a few times this season but when I did he looked fairly lively.
Benayoun been bad has he??? 7 goals in 27 games this season. He's done a job - I didn't rate him much at the beginning - but he's well worth what was paid for him.
Dont rate him at all & it shows how standards at Liverpool have fallen both among the fans & on the pitch.
A club with the tradition of Liverpool should not be signing players of his standard IMHO
He's scored more than the whole Man United midfield platoon combined (excluding Ronaldo)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2008, 06:12:21 PM
He's scored more than the whole Man United midfield platoon combined (excluding Ronaldo)
FFS Gab, catch a grip & take off the red tinted glasses
He's got a point Fullback. From what I make he's scored more than Nani and Anderson together. And at a snip of the cost. Good business I'd say. If Liverpool were to ship him on now he'd make them money.
He's scored more goals than
Nani, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves, Fletcher, Scholes and Giggs combined - they've got 6 goals all season - and Giggs has 3 of them
the stats are there
not bad for spending 40-odd million
Tell me this lads - are Utd depending on any of the above players for goals?
We have enough goals coming from other players ;)
tell me this - has he scored more goals this season than those 7 players combined or what?
Scoring goals hasn't been our biggest problem. Conceding them is. And I'd blame a huge part of this on Agger being out.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2008, 06:59:20 PM
tell me this - has he scored more goals this season than those 7 players combined or what?
Has your calculator broke?
In the Premiership - no
In all competitions - yes
What point are you trying to make?
It hasn't broke no.
Oh, were you just talking about the Premiership with regards to all your posts?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2008, 07:11:19 PM
It hasn't broke no.
Oh, were you just talking about the Premiership with regards to all your posts?
No I wasnt
Again whats your point?
I think the point he's making is that for a Sh*te player he's not doing to bad compared to others ( In this case the others being Nani, Anderson etc).
I think Benayoun is having a good first season with Liverpool..
Admittedly he can drift in and out of a game but when he does play he can be very good
Full back regarding my European Cup post, it can not be denied that we have the pedigree in the Champions League. Liverpool prosper in cup situations and hectic atmospheres, which is good and bad. Good because we can knock out teams with arguably much stronger squads and bad because it means when we come up against Mid tabled teams and a quiet Kop we can not raise our game.
For your list of players I think Yossi is a bit harsh but he is defintely not good enough to START in a premiership winning team. I can not believe how you have put Hyypia on the list, the man has been immesnse ever since the derby. I had massive doubts but fair dues he has done very well.
Would agree largely with you there Corn. Sami has got a bit of abuse in the media about losing his pace but bar a few dodgy games he has been pretty solid. But therein, lies the problem for Liverpool, we have players who you could describe as 'solid' (Finnan, Sami, Pennant), 'workmanlike' (Kuyt), overrated (Gerrard) or just plain useless (Sissoko, Kuyt, Kewell). Like full back said, for a club like Liverpool who have tradition, has had success in recent times etc., we are not signing players who are in keeping with the names of the past (Dalglish, Keegan, Owen, Fowler, Barnes to name a few).
As much as i hate to say it but look at United. They've a superb back four, a relatively ok midfield but when you come to their attackers you really get the feeling they can produce a bit of magic. I mean liverpool simply do not have the combined class of Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs, Tevez etc. Even Saha would be a better option than Kuyt. FFS I would be a better option than Kuyt.
Obviously a lot of this has come down to the financial instability of the club but for one I am really starting to get frustrated with the way things are goin on, not so much the board stuff but the fact that the players there are simply not good enough. I'm also losing faith in Rafa, while he has brought us to some magical nights in Europe some of his signings have been disastrous, he hasn't bought one big player for Liverpool (bar Torres), instead it's all these young fella's, lads plucked from obscurity, lads with no major pedigree. And how in the name of sweet jaysus he can keep playing Dirk f**king Kuyt ahead of Crouch is beyond me >:(
Sorry, rant over...
If the scouse supporters are happy with your lot then fair enough. I'm just saying for a club hoping to win a Premiership or CL IMHO I just dont think liverpool are good enough & the players mentioned wouldnt make it into any of the other top 3 teams (probably wouldnt even make the bench if truth be told).
As regards Hyypia, he was a very good player but I think time has caught up with him although corn might not admit to this.
As sarsfields says
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 23, 2008, 07:00:42 PM
Scoring goals hasn't been our biggest problem. Conceding them is. And I'd blame a huge part of this on Agger being out.
and who replaced Agger?
QuoteHe's scored more goals than
Nani, Anderson, Carrick, Hargreaves, Fletcher, Scholes and Giggs combined - they've got 6 goals all season - and Giggs has 3 of them
the stats are there
not bad for spending 40-odd million
Hargreaves, Scholes and Carrick have been out for substantial periods this season, and their overall contribution from midfield has been far greater than Benayoun - clearly evident in the Liverpool game. Sure Ronaldo has more goals than Mascherano!! Midfielders aren't measured on their goals.
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 23, 2008, 07:00:42 PM
Scoring goals hasn't been our biggest problem. Conceding them is. And I'd blame a huge part of this on Agger being out.
Is this really true? Only one team has conceded less goals than Liverpool(16).... Utd(11). The difference is that Utd have scored 46 where Liverpool have scored 37. ;)
Liverpools problem is that they have drawn 10 of their 22 league games this year.(more draws than any other team in the premiership)
Interesting piece in the Guardian:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/01/23/prospectors_for_gold_leave_liv.html
A couple of years into the Premier League's brave new billionaire owners adventure and we have now seen the most surreal protest movement ever: Liverpool fans so rooted in tradition that their rallying call is Reclaim The Kop, chanting for their club to be taken over by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, dynastic ruler of Dubai.
Yet while the Anfield mood was summarised gruffly by some on the great former terrace this week as: "Get the Yanks out, get the Arabs in," Liverpool's current owners and their proposed bankers are adamant they are not departing the gold rush just yet.
Sources close to the refinancing which Tom Hicks and George Gillett have been negotiating with Royal Bank of Scotland and the US bank Wachovia insisted yesterday that the £350m loan remains on track and they expect to complete it by the end of this week. Similar deadlines have been cited and missed before but Hicks has persistently said, despite the fan protests and re-emergence of Dubai International Capital as a potential buyer, that he has no intention of selling the club. The figures, from Liverpool's present and future earnings, are said to have been inspected and, from the banks' point of view, show that Liverpool will be good for repayment of the hefty interest on that new loan.
Liverpool fans should perhaps have been a little more questioning 11 months ago when Hicks and Gillett gazumped DIC to buy the prize club, then talked seductively about upholding Liverpool's "cherished traditions" and "enhancing its reputation." There was remarkably little Scouse scepticism then about the men wearing scarves; the pair were presented as billionaires who would take Liverpool into their new stadium, girdled by all the banqueting required to finance competing with Manchester United, Arsenal and Roman Abramovich.
The fact that Hicks and Gillett had not spent one cent of their own money buying the club, but had borrowed fully £298m to do so, was there in the black and white of their official offer document, but few pointed it out as the men were embraced.
The document itemised how the loan was split: £174.1m to buy the club itself, at £5,000 per share - top dollar - which meant David Moores, for selling his 51.5% shareholding, was paid almost £90m. A further £11m was borrowed to pay banks and other advisers their fees. The loan also absorbed Liverpool's own debt, then £44.8m. The rest, £70m, was borrowed to keep the stadium project alive and "provide working capital".
That means money for the club to spend, so last summer, when Hicks and Gillett were again praised for "putting their hands in their pockets" to back Rafael Benítez with £26.5m to buy Fernando Torres and £11.5m for Ryan Babel, that was, in fact, also borrowed money. Interest was payable at 1.5% above banks' standard rate, which has been over 5%, and the £185m to buy the club and pay the fees is formally repayable by February 5, a week on Tuesday.
Hence the moves to replace the 12-month £298m with a new loan, of up to £350m, with interest and additional money for the stadium. Arguments began within Anfield about whether Hicks and Gillett were about to "do a Glazer" and load that debt, their own, on to the club itself. In their offer document, Hicks and Gillett said they had personally guaranteed the loan, and payment of the interest "will not depend to any significant extent on the business of Liverpool."
But then, in an interview with Lawrence Donegan for this newspaper last May, Hicks said for the first time that the pair would indeed use the profits made by the club itself - from the fans, essentially - to pay their interest.
"Hopefully the club will have extra cash flow so they can pay us a dividend to do that," Hicks said. "If they don't, then it will come from our pockets. But the club will have to have profits sufficient to pay those dividends."
As negotiations began with Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia, Gillett and Hicks are understood to have intended the full new £350m loan, to fall on the club. The chief executive, Rick Parry, and Moores, the former majority shareholder, argued vehemently that it should not.
Hicks and Gillett are understood to have agreed with that finally, and the proposed new deal will see the cost of buying the club and the fees, £185m, secured on the holding company. Called Kop Investment, with a nod to the tradition Hicks has so lauded, the company is registered in the US State of Delaware, and owns the great football club via another Kop company, registered in the tax haven of the Cayman Islands.
The banks sent accountants in to inspect Liverpool's projected future earnings from tickets at 45,362 capacity Anfield, from the Premier League's bulging TV deal which so attracted Hicks in the first place, Champions League revenue, sponsorship and merchandising - and the banks are understood to have been satisfied the club will make enough to service a £350m loan. So despite the furore inflamed by Hicks' glaring admission that he and Gillett talked to Jürgen Klinsmann about the not-vacant manager's job, and DIC's interest in taking the club over, the banks and Hicks are maintaining that the refinancing will happen.
Gillett and Hicks are believed to have committed to putting in around £40m cash between them - their first actual spending on buying Liverpool - and providing substantial personal guarantees to secure the lending. But the fact that the £185m will be secured on their Kop group does not mean the club itself will not pay the interest. It could still be required to pay a dividend out of its profits as Manchester United are to the Glazers' holding company to service £525m of debt taken on to buy the club.
Hicks is, as he has stressed, a businessman, and it has seemed inconceivable that he would willingly sell now to DIC without a huge profit, which the Sheikh's private equity investment corporation is not prepared to pay. If the refinancing does go through, Liverpool will walk on, to a further £400m it will cost to build the dream new home on Stanley Park. A large proportion of that, possibly £300m, will need to be borrowed, secured on naming rights, sponsorship, Emirates-style entertaining and keenly judged ticket price increases, added to the £350m already loaned. That all adds up to a lot of debt, to finance an ambitious future.
Everton, meanwhile, are planning their move to a new stadium in Kirkby part-financed by Tesco, a cut-price deal which was backed by a majority of fans, but about which nobody seems overjoyed. Liverpool City Council would like all this instability to open up renewed discussions about a shared stadium, for which the costs could be divided up, but in bloody-minded L4, that remains way out of the question.
Such are football's mad loyalties in the 21st century, with Liverpool fans calling on Dubai International Capital, about whose plans little is known, to buy their club, but who would not countenance sharing a ground with their grand old neighbours from across the park.
Reds in the red
£298m Borrowed by the US businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks to buy Liverpool last year
£89.6m Paid out of that sum to David Moores for his 51.5% shareholding
£350m Due to be borrowed to refinance that loan
7% Approximate interest payable on the original loan
£300m Projected further loan to build Liverpool's new stadium
Quote from: Silky on January 22, 2008, 05:59:25 PM
Aye but its still hard to take from a[ Edited by Mod 3 - There are clear rules about the childish name calling between Liverpool and Man U fans especially. This is not on. Silky, you are now on a warning].
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I'm on a warning so I have to be careful what i say.
That article from the Gaurdian is very worrying. How long before the club has to make a profit by selling players in order to pay a dividend to service the loan? Basically the servicing of the loan is now number one priority for the club.
If we miss out on 4th place are we completely fecked like Leeds? When these yanks arrived we thought there was light at the end of the tunnel - now it looks like a train coming towards us!
They are now in the same situation as Manchester United were put in by the Glazers. Trouble is Man Utd are 10 years ahead of Liverpool in terms of the first team, and also in terms of marketing. If Liverpool fail to become successful on the field consistently, this could be a vicious circle and a recipe for disaster.
United have managed to be successful, so they are avoiding their own doomsday scenario at the moment. If that changes for whatever reason (sell Ronaldo, Fergie retires, etc etc) United could also pay the price on the pitch. As I say though, they have a cushion LFC doesn't have.
The main cushion is they have a modern stadium and we don't. If we didin't have to borrow further for the stadium we would be just about ok. If we do borrow more and it all goes tits up we could do a Leeds.
I'm not a gambler and that's why I like the sound of a shared home ground.
That's true Silky. Although did they have to borrow some more for the latest increases to OT? Anyway, same applies, they leveraged their debt with the assets of the club. So if the debt can't be repaid, for whatever reason, the club's assets are in danger. I think both clubs are in the same boat on that one.
You are spot on AZ. At the risk of sounding arrogant and pompous again that's why I was ridiculing Liverpool fans welcoming of their Americans and their criticism/mocking of United fans opposition to the Glazers.
You were right Seanie although, to be fair, the Yanks at Liverpool said they were not going to indebt the club for the new stadium. They lied apparently.
QuoteSissoko Deal Done, Official Confirmation On Sunday
Juventus have agreed a deal to sign Momo Sissoko from Liverpool for €13m and the transfer will become official this Sunday, according to the Gazzetta dello Sport.
The 23-year-old midfielder has been strongly associated with the Bianconeri for several weeks now, with the only question seemingly being whether he would arrive in Turin this month or in June.
Sissoko will touch down in Turin on Sunday, where he will complete a routine medical, complete the final signature, before flying back to Ghana for the African Cup of Nations, where he is representing his country Mali.
Theoretically Sissoko is already a Juventus player after an agreement was reached yesterday over both a transfer fee and wages.
Juve will pay Liverpool €13m, with €11m being paid immediately, and another €2m after a set number of league and cup appearances.
Sissoko has agreed a four-and-a-half-year contract, with an option of an extra year after this. The player will receive a healthy €2.5m a year, which works out at just under €50,000 a week.
Juventus have been desperate to sign a centre midfielder this month following the disastrous performances of Tiago Mendes and Sergio Almiron, who were signed for a combined €22m last summer.
Sissoko had the chance to join the Old Lady last summer but he rejected the transfer in favour of signing a new contract at Liverpool.
This season he has barely featured for the Merseyside-based club, and it seems he has had a change of heart over a move to Italy's most successful club.
Sissoko, his second touch is usually a tackle. So long.
I have mixed feelings about him. No doubt this year he's been dreadful but he has showed in patches especially last year were he has been good. But I reckon he needs to be in a club were he's going to get playing ever week. That's why I'm not sure Juve is a great move for him. He gets badly affected by confidence. When he got a run in the side last year I was quite impressed with him. But there is definitely no need for him at Liverpool so it's cheerio to him and hopefully all the best. One thing for sure unlike the likes of Kewell he could not be faulted for effort.
Getting €13M for Sissoko will do nothing to diminish the oft held perception that Scousers are thieves!
He's been very, very poor this season, but with a run of matches and fitness (and some serious practice on the weak points in his game), he has excellent potential, IMO. Maybe he'll do better in the slower pace of the Italian league, where he's not rushing and thus, misplaying, his passes.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2008, 05:04:24 PM
Getting €13M for Sissoko will do nothing to diminish the oft held perception that Scousers are thieves!
Its very good money indeed, considering the year he's had. Hopefully they'll get Mascherano signed up now.
Does this copper-fasten the Mascherano deal now? What's €11million in the Queen's money?
Alright his distribution wasn't the best, but in Sissoko's first season he got through an animal amount of work. It's only this year his short comings have been exposed, but I put that down to lack of game time and the ensuing lack of confidence - leading to that performance against Marseille (I still blame Benitez for that night, he showed a complete lack of respect for the opposition). Benitez thought enough of the guy to, first of all, "steal" him from Auxurre, then give him 30 games in a La Liga & Eufa cup winning season, often ahead of Aimar. Not only that he stole him again from under the noses of the toffees. And now Claudio Ranieri is willing to shell out serious deniro for him after managing him briefly at Valencia. All that and he's only 23. I'll be sorry to see him ago, that first season I couldn't believe he wasn't at least nominated for young player of the year, even if Rooney or Ronaldo were always destined to win it. I suppose the logic is that this sale gives him an out, and Liverpool the money for Mascherano. To be honest, and I know this is not a widely held view, on the defensive side of things there has been nothing between the two in my opinion, both excellent, but unfortunately there also has been nothing between them passing and going forward - Javier has been a severe disappointment to me. Even stranger is I don't think it's down to him, as Alonso is suffering from the same malaise, and both of these guys can play, as we see when they turn out for their countries. So good luck to Momo, and I hope Liverpool don't regret it some day.
13 million Euro is 9.75 STG
Thought he had a few decent games last season, but after his injury he never seemed to recover & consequently played sh1t since then.
How the fcuk Juventus can pay that money is crazy.
Take the money & run (or at least pay off some of your bills) ;)
From BBC. Not good news IMO but not un-expected either.
Liverpool duo complete £350m deal
Gillett (left) and Hicks took over the club in March 2007
Liverpool's American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett have completed the £350m refinancing deal to secure their Anfield future, BBC Sport understands.
The financial package is expected to help the duo repay money borrowed for their £218.9m takeover in March 2007.
It also means that the club can finally launch their long-awaited plan for a new stadium at Stanley Park.
BBC sports editor Mihir Bose said £60m of the package will provide the start-up money for the new ground.
The deal, which is expected to be announced on Friday, underlines the pair's determination to remain at Anfield despite interest from Dubai International Capital (DIC), the investment arm of the Dubai government.
Hicks will also feel he will be in a stronger position should he decide to sell in the future, dealing a blow to DIC's hopes of mounting a swift bid to take control of the club.
The American pair were the target of crowd demonstrations from Liverpool supporters unhappy with their regime during Monday's televised game against Aston Villa, with banners calling for DIC to mount a bid.
Some fans were angry after the duo admitted they had sounded out Jurgen Klinsmann as a possible replacement for manager Rafael Benitez, with whom they had a high-profile falling-out.
A survey carried out by the Liverpool Supporters' network showed that 76% of 2,000 fans questioned said they would "seriously consider reducing their financial commitment to the club" if the current owners stayed in charge.
When asked to choose between the owners and the manager as to who had the best interest of the club at heart, 99% backed Benitez.
"The results of this survey are indicative of the strength of feeling among Liverpool fans that the club is very much in the wrong hands at present," said LSN spokesman Neil Atkinson.
"Tom Hicks and George Gillet are not trusted."
That's them fecked now.
"New" Stadium design
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N158580080125-1030.htm
Looks ok but will it ever give us this?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42909000/jpg/_42909323_kop_getty.jpg)
I'mworrried about what it will cost. Has anyone else any views on sharing with Everton? It sounds like a win-win to me.
Anyone know is the match on tele today?
Quote from: gawa316 on January 26, 2008, 10:51:58 AM
Anyone know is the match on tele today?
Don't think so unless you can get it on the net.
Oops
::)
Hicks plans long stay at Anfield
Hicks and Gillett took over at Liverpool last March
Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has insisted he plans to retain his stake in the club for the foreseeable future.
"There is no question in my mind that I will still be an owner of Liverpool Football Club in five years," he told BBC 5 Live's Sportsweek programme.
Liverpool have been the subject of speculation about a possible takeover by Dubai International Capital.
Hicks said that was never a "serious possibility" but the BBC understands he was in contact with DIC last Friday.
It is not clear what that conversation was about but Hicks said: "I can't think of a price where I would be interested in selling."
The Texan admitted speaking to DIC "a few months ago" about a "10% to 15% participation" in the club but DIC felt the price was too high.
"They would have been a minority investor and we would have used that capital to build a new stadium. We'll find other ways to capitalise the new stadium," he said.
Hicks, who along with fellow owner George Gillett took over the Reds in March 2007, confirmed a £350m refinancing package was put in place last week, with £105m of that as debt tied to the club.
Of that total, £45m will be used for future player transfers and to meet the club's working capital needs, while BBC sports editor Mihir Bose said £60m will provide the start-up money for the new ground.
There is no question in my mind that I will still be an owner of Liverpool Football Club in five years
"The refinancing will provide the capital for the next year-and-a-half to take the stadium move forward," added Hicks.
He repeated his backing for manager Rafa Benitez despite revealing earlier this month that he held talks with German Jurgen Klinsmann in November about taking over as manager in case the Spaniard left the club.
"We have a great manager who has our support," he said.
"After our meeting on 16 December he has shown his strong intent to do the right thing by the club.
"Rafa's got a contract for two more years and hopefully he'll stay for longer."
Did anyone else hear the Havant & Waterlooville fans singing "Can we play you every week?" during the first half. Classic!! :))
Heard an interview with a Havant & Waterlooville player, it may have been their captain, & he said towards the end of the game Stevie G went up to hit a corner and he went past the said player who was singng "You'll never walk alone' :D :D
Great occasion yesterday & the scousers in particular the Kop must be commended
Rumours going about at the minute linking us to Aimar. Has to be a positive move, at least Rafa is realising we need some flair and creativity in midfield. Whether he would settle into the english game is another thing
Barnsley @ Anfield - you'd have to be happy with that
We're getting steeped in this cup limp. (I can't use the phrase cup run this season).
Having said that, the performances against Luton away and Havant and Waterlooville would see Barnsley knocking Liverpool out at Anfield.
Momo confirmed gone
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N158634080129-1235.htm
good bye momo.
I never liked him as a player i have to say, but you couldnt fault the effort.
Good money for a player who can not pass the length of himself
£8.2m for sissoko!!!! great news. they should give rafa a medal for that bit of business.
I have always been a critic of Sissoko's footballing ability but nobody could fault him for effort, he always emptied the tank..... Perhaps if Kewell etc took a leaf out of his book.
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2008, 01:51:09 PM
I have always been a critic of Sissoko's footballing ability but nobody could fault him for effort, he always emptied the tank..... Perhaps if Kewell etc took a leaf out of his book.
totally agree. and he was excellent in his first season. but we just cant carry lads who are full of effort anymore - kuyt, another prime example. if we could get 8.2m for kuyt, i'd drive him to the airport myself.
the less said about kewell the better.
Momo wasnt the same player after that eye injury he received against benfica.
I think he had triple vision since then, may explain his mis kicks and mis timed challenges!
As someone said, his second touch is always a tackle! Harsh but fair :D
He tried like a divil, but in fairness he had the first touch of a bull elephant. He was probably 5th choice midfielder behind Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano and Lucas.
Good luck to Momo. We got a very good price for him in fairness.
As someone said he was never the same after that serious eye injury. Don't know whether it affected his vision permanently or his confidence suffered but he never got back to the level he played at in his first 18 months.
Good price for Momo, will always remeber the Fa Cup final but sadly your shit.
This thread is now very depressing, I read Magpie Seanies comment on us being thieves for getting that money for him and laughed out lout, bad sign.
Another Yank interested in owning Liverpool?
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7737158/Kraft-could-work-at-new-Reds-offer
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 29, 2008, 01:45:45 PM
£8.2m for sissoko!!!! great news. they should give rafa a medal for that bit of business.
The only medal he would be getting for a while to come :D :D :D
Team for Tonight
Reina
Finnan, Hyppia, Carra, Aurelio
Benayoun, Gerrard, Alonso, Kewell
Torres, Kuyt
How the f**k does Kewell , aurelio and kuyt keep getting picked?!!
Quote£8.2m for sissoko!!!! great news. they should give rafa a medal for that bit of business.
Little or nothin to do with Benitez I'd expect, probably Rick Parry. Amazing price for one of the worst midfielders in the premiership all the same!
Quote from: EC Unique on January 30, 2008, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 29, 2008, 01:45:45 PM
£8.2m for sissoko!!!! great news. they should give rafa a medal for that bit of business.
The only medal he would be getting for a while to come :D :D :D
Its the way you tell them......
depressing
PENALTY TO WEST HAM
edit
2139 - PENALTY! Freddie Ljungberg is felled by Jamie Carragher and the Hammers have a golden opportunity to snatch it.
2140 - GOAL West Ham 1-0 Liverpool
Mark Noble steps up... and sends the ball into the corner with a peach of a spot-kick! Liverpool's poor form continues and Rafael Benitez's reign hangs by a thread I reckon.
What do the BBC know? I thought the yanks were only after a replacement if the fat waiter went to another club?
I wonder will there be another protest in Rafas honour before the game on Saturday.........?
the good news is that Liverpool are still very much part of the Premiership's big 9
Now18 points behind ManU. Benitez could well set a new record for how far Liverpool finish behind Utd. 30+ is pretty likely.
Dirk Kuyt, he can fairly call them:
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/mediawatch/drilldown/MW12405080130-1309.htm
What the hell is going on at Anfield? Is it all because Torres isn't knocking in as many goals and no one else is capable of coming up with one when they are up against it? They'd want to correct this slump very quickly or they're going to be left with a gap to close just to make the top four!
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Things are getting bad when you have say "thank fcuk United beat Portsmouth!". :-[
Top 4 teams tend to win at places like West Ham but United lost there too on a number of occassions so don't worry too much. Isn't Ronaldo good?
stop that they are in bad form :D
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 30, 2008, 10:49:26 PM
Top 4 teams tend to win at places like West Ham but United lost there too on a number of occassions so don't worry too much. Isn't Ronaldo good?
Any team can have an off-day or a certain ground where they tend to struggle. If Liverpool had won their previous five or six very winnable league games, I don't think too many would be overly concerned by losing to a late penalty at Upton Park. When it's merely the latest chapter in an appalling run of form, its different.
I'm sorry but I can't help it J70 - :D :D :D
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 30, 2008, 11:16:45 PM
I'm sorry but I can't help it J70 - :D :D :D
Ah, you were taking the piss! :-[
Carry on... :D
on 606 last night - a few Liverpool fans were on saying there will be a protest against Rafa this week end!
Apparantly the tide has turned - he is now wanted out!
Personally, I still think this is harsh, but if he has lost the players, he'll not get them back!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7217238.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7217238.stm)
Interesting development
I am a Rafa fan but how the hell can he justify playing kuyt & kewell while babel & crouch warm the bench. It is getting beyond a joke. This "loyalty" or whatever it is, is his single biggest problem. We mightnt have the funds to compete with utd/chelsea/arsenal but Rafa's team selections have undoubtably cost us a alot of points this season.
What the fcuk is going on at Anfield. No win in the league from Boxing Day :o
Seriously though, as I said before the players simply arent there. With the transfer window about to close Rafa is going to have to make do with what he has - which outside of Carra, Stevie G & Torres isnt very much.
Although I had never seriously entertained it, is there a possibility of the scousers finishing outside the top 4?
Brutal result again. I didn't see any of it, as I was driving back from Offaly, but I listened to reports on 5 Live and it sounded gruesome. Liverpool are in serious, serious danger of imploding this season unless they show a bit of backbone now.
fullback, it is very possible, and if the current form continues I would say probable, that Liverpool will finish outside the top 4. They don't deserve anything else at the moment.
Do you think a team that has drawn 10 and lost 3 out of 23 games deserves to be in the Champions League? I think not but Liverpool could still turn it around to make that better reading but it is unlikely.
I presume that's not directed at me?
At least Benitez has shown some ambition by saying that he believes Liverpool will finish in the top 4. The progress they have made under the man is immense!
I was thinking that nrico. I still think he's the man for it, on balance, but this is a serious setback of a season. Up till just after Christmas he was constantly saying how much better off LFC were, in terms of points gained, compared to the same stage last year.
He's stopped doing that for some reason ::)
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 09:34:22 AM
I presume that's not directed at me?
No AZ, going by your above post you agree with me. I think the best thing for Liverpool is to get rid of rafa, forget about who owns the club because they are going to be there for the mid to long term now. Rafa has lost the players, some of the fans and lost control of himself, it is time to go.
The best bit for me is that many Lpool supporters were predicting Chelsea's demise when Jose left. The 'new' big 3 were meant to be Man U, Arsenal and Lpool!
Good enough idea, but would there be enough shops, banks & post offices to rob ;) (only kidding mods)
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3095760,00.html
A group of Liverpool supporters is to unveil an ambitious plan to buy the troubled Anfield club from its US owners.
A group calling themselves Share Liverpool FC aim to create a stakeholder base of 100,000 fans to raise enough cash to oust Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
It comes after weeks of worry about the financial future of Liverpool, sparked when the pair took out a £350 million re-financing loan.
There have also been tensions between the owners and club manager Rafa Benitez.
Rogan Taylor, a Kop season ticket holder and a director of the Football Industry Group at the University of Liverpool, is leading the buy-out campaign.
He said: "It is time to answer the concerns that football fans have about the patterns of ownership developing at our major football clubs.
"Thousands of Liverpool fans have already demonstrated their dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs.
"Large amounts of debt is often laden onto newly-bought clubs and the fans know that in the end, it will be them who will have to pay it off through increased ticket prices and other schemes.
"In such a case, why not simply buy the club yourselves?"
Purchase
The model proposed by Share Liverpool FC will be a 'member-share' scheme, aimed at raising £500 million to purchase the club from Hicks and Gillett and build a new stadium.
The group have pointed to Barcelona as an example of how the system works. Barca currently has more than 150,000 culis - members who own the club.
Mr Taylor added: "What many don't realise is that there are other ways of financing and taking ownership of big clubs.
"In Germany and Spain, most top-level football clubs are simply 'Not For Sale'. They are owned by many thousands of 'member fans'.
"The Champions League has been won on six occasions in the last 15 years by clubs owned and run in such a way."
The plan will be unveiled at the School of Management of the University of Liverpool.
Liverpool FC have so far refused to comment.
They want 100,000 fans to pay 5,000 each?
They do though, don't they though? :P
Quote from: EC Unique on January 31, 2008, 09:33:17 AM
Do you think a team that has drawn 10 and lost 3 out of 23 games deserves to be in the Champions League? I think not but Liverpool could still turn it around to make that better reading but it is unlikely.
It's a good thing this years Champions League qualification was based on last years league positions
Quote from: J70 on January 31, 2008, 01:20:58 PM
They want 100,000 fans to pay 5,000 each?
500million divided by 100000 is £500 each :-\
The supporter based ownership is a good idea but its a lot easier on paper than in reality. It is the way to go for clubs but in truth most "supporters" don't really give enough of a shit to put their hard earned where their mouths are.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 31, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
The supporter based ownership is a good idea but its a lot easier on paper than in reality. It is the way to go for clubs but in truth most "supporters" don't really give enough of a shit to put their hard earned where their mouths are.
I would certainly have a few issues about putting my "hard earned" into an institution that pays someone like Harry Kewell £50k p/w
I'd be wondering where the 'extra' money for transfers etc would come from. It's one thing buying out the shares, and building the stadium, but would the club be self sufficient after that to pay for wages, new players etc etc?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 01:33:51 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 31, 2008, 09:33:17 AM
Do you think a team that has drawn 10 and lost 3 out of 23 games deserves to be in the Champions League? I think not but Liverpool could still turn it around to make that better reading but it is unlikely.
It's a good thing this years Champions League qualification was based on last years league positions
We are talking about next years qualification which is looking unlikely. :P
QuoteThey want 100,000 fans to pay 5,000 each?
500million divided by 100000 is £500 each
500,000,000 100,000
Stroke out the zeros there and you will see how much each "share" would be.
A good idea in principle but at a time when the club needs stability it is the wrong timing. Rafa needs a serious rethink about where he is going in regards to team selection and development. They are on a shocking run, but not losing too many games. The reality is 4 home wins is not good enough. If tehy win their game in hand, which is currently a big if, they go back up to 4th. Focus on stability in team selection, achieve 4th palace and see what the cups can bring. This is the best case scenario.
To mirror a topic in the football section are Liverpool still one of the big 4 or is it now a big 3 and we are in the group with everyone else striving for the 4th spot.
Sadly I believe it to be the latter. Seems unbelievable to be writing this but I can now see a situation where Rafa could be gone before March, out the cup, out the CL and off 4th place. December and especially January have not been good the LFC.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 31, 2008, 02:15:31 PM
QuoteThey want 100,000 fans to pay 5,000 each?
500million divided by 100000 is £500 each
500,000,000
100,000
Stroke out the zeros there and you will see how much each "share" would be.
A good idea in principle but at a time when the club needs stability it is the wrong timing. Rafa needs a serious rethink about where he is going in regards to team selection and development. They are on a shocking run, but not losing too many games. The reality is 4 home wins is not good enough. If tehy win their game in hand, which is currently a big if, they go back up to 4th. Focus on stability in team selection, achieve 4th palace and see what the cups can bring. This is the best case scenario.
Opps, my mistake :o In that case there is no chance of finding 100000 people to part with 5 grand. Good idea on paper but will never happen.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 31, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
The supporter based ownership is a good idea but its a lot easier on paper than in reality. It is the way to go for clubs but in truth most "supporters" don't really give enough of a shit to put their hard earned where their mouths are.
It works for Barcelona
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 31, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
The supporter based ownership is a good idea but its a lot easier on paper than in reality. It is the way to go for clubs but in truth most "supporters" don't really give enough of a shit to put their hard earned where their mouths are.
It works for Barcelona
Certainly does. And they haven't felt the need so far to whore their shirt to alcohol/casino/telecommunications brands. I think 5000 is a bit steep, Barca's is more like 300 or 400 I think? I just remember Ardal O'Hanlon buying his during "Leagues Apart" (how did he ever sell the idea for that program? Genius!)
I'm sure that there will be an option to buy more than 1 share per person...
I would say there is heganboy but I would also imagine they may have an upper limit on the amount that people have to prevent say the like of DIC or your man Kraft buying a bulk load of them.
At this minute in time I actually think it is a bad idea as the is enough upheavel around the club and this is having an effect on the players. If this is something that has been thought up in recent weeks with the unrest then it may not be well thought through. I think people should back off a bit and give Rafa and the Yanks some breathing space. There is enoug pressure withou more being created. The reality is the League is well gone, but qualification for next years CL is in their own hands as sre the 2 cup competitions. Let them at it for now and re-assess in the summer.
I'd nearly bet that Liverpool will finish in the top 4 come the end of the season. All the other clubs around them are too inconsistent imo.
interesting, the shareliverpoolfc site is down
www.shareliverpoolfc.co.uk/ (http://www.shareliverpoolfc.co.uk/)
it would be fantastic if the share purchase scheme could come off, as gabriel said it works well for barcelona. imagine the fun and games when elections come around every year!! green bay in the nfl are also owned by their fan base to the best of my knowledge..
Mascherano permanent deal has been signed
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 31, 2008, 06:45:21 PM
I'd nearly bet that Liverpool will finish in the top 4 come the end of the season. All the other clubs around them are too inconsistent imo.
Very probable. Liverpool just can't continue to play this badly until the end of the season and Everton, Villa and Man City are drawing games at the moment rather than winning them which means they aren't opening up any kind of gap while we are in a slump. Certainly though we have to pull out of this slump in form soon or we could be in real bother.
Mascherano signed permanently for 18.6 million. A bit overpriced IMO but that's the going rate for players like that these days you only have to look at Carrick, Hargreaves, etc.
Quote from: magickingdom on January 31, 2008, 07:44:18 PM
it would be fantastic if the share purchase scheme could come off, as gabriel said it works well for barcelona. imagine the fun and games when elections come around every year!! green bay in the nfl are also owned by their fan base to the best of my knowledge..
The share idea is a great one but I can't see it working. Expecting 100,000 people to stump up £5,000 is asking a lot. £5000 is a lot of money for many people. Maybe if there was a sliding scale of investment instead such as £5,000, £3,000 or £1,000 it could attract in more punters.
I think it has a shot at working, 5k is certainly out of reach for a lot of people, but there are plenty of prawn sandwich eaters who would happily buy the share to vote mischievously, one in particular has already phoned me to let me know of his plan....
The share idea is a good one and I will support it but not with €5,000. I see a couple of problems with it though.
1) Hick & Gillette don't want to sell.
2) €500m will not be near enough the price they would want even if they did want to sell. They'll expect closer to 800m
3) I'm Liverpool daft but if I told my GF that we couldn't go on holiday because I was buying a share of the reds she'd be gone.
It works at Barca because they did it many years ago. They couldn't do it now. It could work well for a non league team or in the FAI league but not for a club on the scale of Liverpool.
This could have been done years ago. We're always too slow to catch on to change. Look at the stadium - we're trying to build a new one long after everybody else and prices have gone through the roof.
I have a mate who is an engineer and he was saying there won't be enough professionals about to build the fecking think if we don't get a fecking move on. It's because of the London olympics apparently.
Its five thousand sterling i think silky.
QuoteIt could work well for a non league team......
you are headin the right direction...so never say never! ;)
The Manchester United equivalent (which was previously mocked repeatedly by Liverpool fans) has 32,000 members and has long been campaigning for supporter ownership of clubs. To answer AZ's question about where would the extra money come from for transfers let me give an example. If Manchester United were a supporter owned organisation tomorrow then the £70M that the Glazers spent on thier loans last year would have been available for transfers. Now obviously Manchester United is a much bigger club financially but that hints at the benefits.
As for the practicality of it - well it would be difficult as many have posted here. Difficult, but not impossible. Loans would have to be taken and while these would impact profits it would be nothing like the drain at United at present. Liverpool supporters could do this first as their club would be a lot chepaer to buy than United.
Same auld shite different game....
20mins gone
0-0
half time
0-0
Pure tripe
Hard to watch. I actually turned over to the rugby when I heard Wales were beating England.
is it that bad?
On the BBC site it said there was the odd boo at half time?
Quote from: Square Ball on February 02, 2008, 06:28:37 PM
is it that bad?
On the BBC site it said there was the odd boo at half time?
Its effin awful Square Ball..
I just can't figure out what is wrong with the Pool i haven't seen them as bad in a long time...And it's not even todays game its been like this for months
It looks like Liverpool are waiting for Sunderland to score an own goal.
Get in.........
Crouch 1
Sunderland 0
Yessss
Liverpool 2
Sunderland 0
Torres great finish!!!
a bit of pressure off now - results elsewhere went the way you'd want them too
Crouch simply has to start against Chelsea - although I fear we'll see the headless chicken again
not a pool fan myself, but crouch done more in an hour on sat than kuyt has done all season. im a big fan of crouch and there are 16 other clubs in the prem who would love to have him in their team, maybe arsenal too
Big crouch is one of the best big men with the ball at his feet Ive ever seen...not getting a fair deal by Rafa
Kuyt should be sent to the knackers yard and turned into glue! Hes fast becoming Rafas Heskey , at least Heskey had one good season! We need to see Babel more, hes inconsistent but he has pace and power and can score. What about Torres and Babel upfront?
From 365
A number of Liverpool players are reportedly becoming increasingly restless about Rafa Benitez's team selection.
The Spaniard's rotation policy has caused much consternation with sections of the Liverpool support, but The Times now reports that several players have become disenchanted.
And the names of the players involved will cause the most concern to Liverpool fans.
Xabi Alonso, previously thought to be fiercely loyal to Benitez, is reportedly unhappy about his lack of chances in the first team in recent weeks, and relations between the two Spaniards are apparently increasingly strained.
Javier Mascherano has been preferred alongside Steven Gerrard in central midfield, and Alonso was left out of the squad altogether for the 3-0 win over Sunderland at the weekend.
Alonso refused to answer questions about his club situation when he was interviewed in Spain yesterday, and quotes from Benitez yesterday go further to suggest that all is not well in the Anfield dressing room.
Benitez said: "Xabi needs to step it up.
"When you are not 100 per cent fit, you want to play every game because you need to play more games to build up your fitness. But if Gerrard, Mascherano or Lucas [Leiva] are playing well, it means there is competition for places, which is good for the team. Xabi knows he needs to work harder if he wants to have a place in the team."
In addition, Jamie Carragher is apparently unhappy about being asked to play at right-back against Sunderland, while John Arne-Riise has sought to 'clear the air' with his manager.
So it looks like Rafa might be losing the dressing room bit by bit. Disappointing to see Alsono complaining. Usually very quiet so there must be something in it.
But can't you see Rafa's point as well? A lot of posters have pointed out that Xabi isn't playing to near the same standard as he was a couple of years ago. He does need to step it up.
Yeah course I can. And Alsono would have been one of my favorite players but he hasn't played consistently for two years now. But when he's on form I think he's brilliant. But in saying that Gerrard and Lucas have hardly set the world alight over the last few games. Masch is quality and deserves to start all games. Him Torres and carra should be starting every game.
I know the story is prob blown out of porportion but after a decent win you'd have thought the players would keep things quiet and try to get back to focusing on the football rather that the crap in the papers.
xabi needs to play more games, he just seems to be one of those players who gets more tuned in after a run of games. Bench Gerrard
Quote from: heganboy on February 05, 2008, 01:17:01 PM
Bench Gerrard
Can you imagine the complaining and stories of unrest then, from both Gerrard AND the press! :D
nearly worth it on that basis alone
I see the english have gone for david copperfield as captain!
you couldn't make it up
Rafa's best team at the mo in my opinion:
Reina
Finnan
Carra
Sami
Arbeloa
Stevie G
Xabi
Masch
Babel
El Nino
Crouch
I would love to see him given this team a run of games to see how it goes.
Quote from: heganboy on February 05, 2008, 02:17:46 PM
nearly worth it on that basis alone
Considering the knot they have got themselves over Beckham, the reaction to Gerrard being dropped by Benitezit would be hysterical!
I've long said that Crouch is the best partner for Torres, I think they would work well together, if he is going to play 2 up top.
Quote from: Uladh on February 05, 2008, 02:29:53 PM
I see the english have gone for david copperfield as captain!
you couldn't make it up
Who's David Copperfield?
Anyone who thinks Gerrard is not worth a first team place at Liverpool hasnt a fookin clue.
However, I think Rafa has been wrong to stick with Gerrard in a 2 man centre field for most of the season - and I think this has been down to media pressure. Liverpool would be at their best with Mascho and Alonso in the centre and Gerrard could play on the right or in a free role between midfield and attack. This should at least have been tried regularly.
No question now that Crouch is the second best striker at Liverpool. The problem has been that too often we play him as if he's a Niall Quinn. If you just launch high balls at him he's ineffective. He's far more football in him than Kuyt, hopefully Rafa will give him a run now.
For all his rotation, we've seen far too much of Kewell and Kuyt, so hopefully they've already filled their quota of appearances for the season.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2008, 03:54:04 PM
Who's David Copperfield?
Famous vanisher. first cousin of ciaran whelan's.
Well said Hound, some sense among the crazies.
Gerrad may not have been at his best in the last few games but that doesn't put him on a par with Liam Miller or Eric Jemba Jemba!! He has still been very good in a struggling side and has once again hauled them through games and put points on the board.
Why isn;t Rooney been slated from pillar to post? He has something like 6 league goals which is on a par with Dirk Kuyt (By the way I'm not suggesting Kuyt is on a a par with Rooney but I would consider a straight swap). Rooney could be siad to go missing in big games more so than Gerrad.
Give me stevie G any day over any other PL midfielder. I would like to see him freed up more. Alonso really needs to take the next chance he gets but he has been shocking of late, may be lack of games.
Quote
Famous vanisher. first cousin of ciaran whelan's.
Don't bite lads
Quote from: Uladh on February 05, 2008, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2008, 03:54:04 PM
Who's David Copperfield?
Famous vanisher. first cousin of ciaran whelan's.
The same player who has scored in a Champions League final, a UEFA Cup final, an FA Cup final, a League Cup final, etc, etc, etc.
I wish we had a few more who would vanish like that in big games for us.
QuoteGive me stevie G any day over any other PL midfielder. I would like to see him freed up more.
I would take Scholes or Fabregas before him anyday!
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 05, 2008, 05:02:19 PM
QuoteGive me stevie G any day over any other PL midfielder. I would like to see him freed up more.
I would take Scholes or Fabregas before him anyday!
Maybe Fabregas. Maybe not. Depends.
Def not Scholes.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 05, 2008, 05:02:19 PM
QuoteGive me stevie G any day over any other PL midfielder. I would like to see him freed up more.
I would take Scholes or Fabregas before him anyday!
scholes :D :D :D :D :D :D
if everyone else in the rotation gets benched why doesn't Gerrard? sit him down for a couple of games and see how Xabi does in the middle with Mascherano...
Scholes plays the same position as Gerard, only better. Stevie G cannot dictate a midfield, just fire him out right as a spare man and let him crack the odd thunderbolt. He is not in Scholes class!
Quote from: Uladh on February 05, 2008, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2008, 03:54:04 PM
Who's David Copperfield?
Famous vanisher. first cousin of ciaran whelan's.
Ronaldo must be Gerrards brother then......
More like Alter Ego. Ronaldo plays well for 30 games a season, and vanishes in the big games.
Gerrard frustrates the bejaysus out of you for 30 games a season, and drags them to success in the big games.
QuoteGerrard frustrates the bejaysus out of you for 30 games a season, and drags them to success in the big games.
Success? 2 Cups won on penalties?!?
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 06, 2008, 11:11:34 AM
QuoteGerrard frustrates the bejaysus out of you for 30 games a season, and drags them to success in the big games.
Success? 2 Cups won on penalties?!?
Aye you dont get to keep the cups when they are won on penalties, they are usually shared.........
Quote from: Minder on February 06, 2008, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 06, 2008, 11:11:34 AM
QuoteGerrard frustrates the bejaysus out of you for 30 games a season, and drags them to success in the big games.
Success? 2 Cups won on penalties?!?
Aye you dont get to keep the cups when they are won on penalties, they are usually shared.........
:D
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 09:21:29 AM
More like Alter Ego. Ronaldo plays well for 30 games a season, and vanishes in the big games.
Gerrard frustrates the bejaysus out of you for 30 games a season, and drags them to success in the big games.
The thing is, if you dont play well in the other 30 games you dont tend to get to many big games ;)
This is the scenario that is facing the scousers for the forseeable future
I'd kinda say two Champion league finals in three years are big enough games. But maybe not.
On another note which brings in the most money. Would winning the premiership or getting to the final in the CL? I've often wondered what sort of money do you get for each?
1 premiership or 9? ;)
Torres out from the Spain game with hamstring injury
f**k!!
Bollix to that. Chelsea feckers, it was probably Malouda.
Thye should have it written into their conracts that they are not allowed to play international games........
Shiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeee just heard about Torres.... :'( :'(
Just watching England on Sky Sports..Crouch done alright when he came on..
He will definatly (I hope)have to start against Chelsea now with Torres out..
Rafa Benitez has confirmed Liverpool fans' worst fears by revealing Fernando Torres is very unlikely to feature against Chelsea on Sunday.
The striker lasted just 23 minutes of Spain's 1-0 victory over France on Wednesday after picking up a thigh injury.
Bollocks!!
Ah well a draw is the best we can hope for unfortunately.....Maybe Dirk Diggler will suddenly remember he is a footballer.
Is it a pulled hamstiring? That's bad news if so. Few weeks out with that.
Strange no one has mentioned Chelsea game today...
Are things gone that bad that the interest is starting to go ?
No team news as yet..I would expect it will be 1 up front and hope to get out with a draw
QuoteAre things gone that bad that the interest is starting to go
Most definetly with me anyway. And I fear its going to get alot worse before things improve.
Cant see anything other than a CFC win today. Ballack has got his form back and I fear for Hyypia v Anelka.
Depressing times.
Liverpool team v Chelsea
Reina
Finnan
Carra
Skrtel
Riise
Stevie G
Mascherano
Lucas
Babel
Crouch
Kuyt
Quite a attacking Line up im surprised at that,I was sure he would go with one up front..
2-1 to the pool big crouch with the winner in the 87th minute!!
Quote from: new devil on February 10, 2008, 03:52:06 PM
2-1 to the pool big crouch with the winner in the 87th minute!!
Ya p***k you have just jinxed us...Chelsea to win 8-0 now :-[
:-[ :-[ OK then 8-0 to Chelsea big crouch doesn't get a kick :)
Gerrard on the right- wtf?
Lucas was poor against Sunderland, what is he going to do against chelski??
Quote from: new devil on February 10, 2008, 03:57:05 PM
:-[ :-[ OK then 8-0 to Chelsea big crouch doesn't get a kick :)
Thats better :D
Poor enough game so far,If im being biased Liverpool probably have had the better of it
Crouch missed a great chance,Our defense have not really been tested so far
Liverpool have had the better chances...crouch could of had a couple of goals
Quote from: new devil on February 10, 2008, 04:58:13 PM
Liverpool have had the better chances...crouch could of had a couple of goals
I have been saying it for ages,We have no problem creating chances its finishing them is the problem
Poor game,I thought Liverpool could have won it but looked happy with a point from the early stages of the game,Had the better of the chances though and Crouch should defiantly have put the one in the first half away
Happy enough with the point considering the opposition but it could have been 3
Happy enough with the point given we were missing Torres and Alonso but we were probably the better side overall so slightly disappointed not to take the 3 points after seeing how the match unfolded. Especially after Everton, Viila and Man City all winning.
Thought Skrtel played very well.
I thought the draw was the fair result. Neither side did enough to merit a win and each looked a bit toothless without their main striker. Anyway, a draw at Stamford Bridge is a decent result - its the other rubbish which has cost Liverpool.
The game was there for the taking today, we are really missing someone who can pick that final pass. Benitez does not seem to indulge this kind of player though. Crouch is just not clinical enough, i would be certain if that chance he missed fell to Torres we would be celebrating a win.
Whilst a draw was no good to either team is was an unbelievable result for liverpool given the gulf in class between the 2 teams. The loss of Torres made that gulf more like the grand canyon. Take Gerrard & Carragher out of the Liverpool set-up and it's like Glentoran versus Celtic.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 10, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
The loss of Torres made that gulf more like the grand canyon. Take Gerrard & Carragher out of the Liverpool set-up and it's like Glentoran versus Celtic.
Sure take Ronaldo and Rooney out of Utd. In fact just take Ronaldo out.
Or Drogba and Lampard out of Chelsea.
Or Fabregas and Adebayor out of Arsenal.
Any side is seriously weakened without its best players obviously.
QuoteWhilst a draw was no good to either team is was an unbelievable result for liverpool given the gulf in class between the 2 teams.
I don't think a draw with Chelsea will ever be considered an unbelievable result at Liverpool.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 10, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
Whilst a draw was no good to either team is was an unbelievable result for liverpool given the gulf in class between the 2 teams. The loss of Torres made that gulf more like the grand canyon. Take Gerrard & Carragher out of the Liverpool set-up and it's like Glentoran versus Celtic.
Gerrard has gone awol in quite a few games this year, far too many times he has been ineffective and a non factor and although a tremendous player on his day he sems to be having more ordinary games than he has in the past and he is not the player he was in seasons past.
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 10, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
Whilst a draw was no good to either team is was an unbelievable result for liverpool given the gulf in class between the 2 teams. The loss of Torres made that gulf more like the grand canyon. Take Gerrard & Carragher out of the Liverpool set-up and it's like Glentoran versus Celtic.
You obviously watched the game. ::)
Quote from: stew on February 10, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 10, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
Whilst a draw was no good to either team is was an unbelievable result for liverpool given the gulf in class between the 2 teams. The loss of Torres made that gulf more like the grand canyon. Take Gerrard & Carragher out of the Liverpool set-up and it's like Glentoran versus Celtic.
Gerrard has gone awol in quite a few games this year, far too many times he has been ineffective and a non factor and although a tremendous player on his day he sems to be having more ordinary games than he has in the past and he is not the player he was in seasons past.
I thought Gerrard played well today.
Quote from: stew on February 10, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 10, 2008, 10:03:42 PM
Whilst a draw was no good to either team is was an unbelievable result for liverpool given the gulf in class between the 2 teams. The loss of Torres made that gulf more like the grand canyon. Take Gerrard & Carragher out of the Liverpool set-up and it's like Glentoran versus Celtic.
Gerrard has gone awol in quite a few games this year, far too many times he has been ineffective and a non factor and although a tremendous player on his day he sems to be having more ordinary games than he has in the past and he is not the player he was in seasons past.
Actually he's got 16 goals so far this season which is his 2nd highest total ever with still a fair bit of the season left. He got 23 in 2005/6.
Sorry I haven't added my tuppence before now. Unfortunately I was over at the game on Sunday, and only back last night. Was it the worst game the Premiership has ever seen? It was a shocker where I was sitting.
Liverpool edged it, but neither side deserved a point in my opinion. For Liverpool Skertel, Carragher and to a lesser degree Mascherano played well, with only Alex deserving a mention for Chelsea.
Anelka will never be able to play on his own up front at home, where defences sit deep. Away from home, the back line tends to push up allowing him more space to move into. On Sunday he was totally lost. I was also disapointed to see Lamaprd start, as I don't think after 2 months out you can breeze straight back into the side. On Sunday it showed as he lacked fitness, and I thought he was very lucky to last 75 minutes. Indeed when he went off, Ballack found more space going forward and could've scored (I had Ballack 1-0 backed too!). This is the other enigma...can they play together?
Anyhow with 8 points to make up it's going to be very tough. In addition the Goons have another league game before we play again, and the pyschological affect of an 11 point defecit might be too much.
Heard a few rumours floating about the sites for summer transfers. i think it was mentioned earlier but a straight swap between Alonso and Henry. Would be OK as I think Alonso has lost a bit of the heart in playing for Liverpool. What I think is more interesting, and more likely, is a deal involving either one or both of Finnan and Pennant in a swap with David Bentley. I like Bentley and think he could give the wee bit extra on the wing.
Also givven that the Reserves are doing so well(top of the League by 5 points) maybe it is time to move some of them to the main squad on a more regular basis. i would like to see Insua getting a run at LB as I think he could save money and solve a major problem for us.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 13, 2008, 06:52:02 PM
What I think is more interesting, and more likely, is a deal involving either one or both of Finnan and Pennant in a swap with David Bentley. I like Bentley and think he could give the wee bit extra on the wing.
Also givven that the Reserves are doing so well(top of the League by 5 points) maybe it is time to move some of them to the main squad on a more regular basis. i would like to see Insua getting a run at LB as I think he could save money and solve a major problem for us.
Bentley would be good alright as he's an excellent crosser of the ball. Can't see Blackburn letting him go easily though. I'd say you'd be looking at 10 to 12 million.
Saw a bit of the reserves the last night against Sunderland. Some good players in there alright beating an experinced Sunderland reserve team. Rafa is obviously trying to do to the youth system what Wenger did at Arsenal. The Hungarian lad up front Nemeth has been banging them in.
DIC AGREE LIVERPOOL DEAL - REPORTS
Posted 14/02/08 08:22EmailPrintSave
DIC are reportedly on the verge of completing their takeover of Liverpool.
According to The Daily Mirror, the Dubai International Capital group - the investment arm of the Dubai government - have reached an 'outline agreement' with current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett to buy the club for around £460million.
The Mirror claims that 'sources in New York' have confirmed that a deal is in place, and could be completed by the middle of March.
DIC failed in their initial bid to buy Liverpool when Hicks and Gillett took over in 2007, but are now prepared to effectively double the Americans' money for the club.
Hicks and Gillett recently completed a £350million refinancing deal on the money they borrowed to buy the club, which left Liverpool saddled with around £105million of debt.
While Rafa Benitez has, to put it mildly, had his disagreements with Hicks and Gillett, the takeover might not be the best news for him after all.
I wonder is there any truth in this?
The mirror? Wouldn't believe their radio.
I heard on the sports news earlier that it was going a head. The Yanks have agreed to sell.
Which Sports News?
It might have been BBC. I wasn't in my own car at the time and the item was over before I caught on what it was about.
There's nothing on Liverpoolfc.tv
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 15, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
There's nothing on Liverpoolfc.tv
In fairness AZ you will be waiting a while before you see it on Liverpoolfc.tv They dont really deal in conjecture, strictly official announcements !
Quote from: Minder on February 15, 2008, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 15, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
There's nothing on Liverpoolfc.tv
In fairness AZ you will be waiting a while before you see it on Liverpoolfc.tv They dont really deal in conjecture, strictly official announcements !
That's what we should all deal in :D
Nothing on skysports.com or bbc.co.uk either.
Nothing on Football 365 either.
Maybe it was "It says in the papers"?
Quote from: Silky on February 15, 2008, 12:37:13 PM
Nothing on Football 365 either.
Maybe it was "It says in the papers"?
Or maybe you made it up.
;D
I must be feckin hearing things. I swear to God i thought I heard that very early this morning.
Snigger ;D
Time to concentrate on the league chaps!!!
Seen it coming, total disgrace, cant see nothing only a change in management!
*sigh* Form an orderly queue, folks
Why did Rafa take Babbel off!!!!!!
Kuyt and Kewell have to go - dying days of the rafa revilution I would say.
That said Liverpool should have won by about 4 but that man Kuyt who 'works his socks off...' can't score.....
benitez has to go!!!! not starting your two best players in a knockout competition, i know the players have to take the blame also, but this is one time to many he has done this!!!!!
Beaten in the last minute by Barnsley.
Watched the whole game on SopCast and they were not good. Even through Gerrard on for the last 15 minutes. The Barnsley keeper had a great game but we should have won that easily. We looked toothless up front without Torres and we just have too many average players at the moment.
Jesus i hope they were saving themselves for Tuesday night because that is the only trophy we have a chance of winning this season. If Liverpool do not get a result on Tuesday then Rafa will be living on borrowed time. I Have no idea why he took of Babbel and brought on Kewell.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
What about about Alonso's so called tackle just prior to their winner! Players showed no heart! Big changes needed and needed soon.
Fair fcuks to Barnsley, but I really don't give much of a shit. This year was all about improving in the league, but that hasn't happened. I'd give him another season, and after that, its time for a change.
Big problems for little Rafa.Apart from Pepe,Mascharano and Torres (!), has bought poorly.However, he mighy still redeem himself in CL.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on February 16, 2008, 04:58:59 PM
Why did Rafa take Babbel off!!!!!!
Kuyt and Kewell have to go - dying days of the rafa revilution I would say.
That said Liverpool should have won by about 4 but that man Kuyt who 'works his socks off...' can't score.....
if i was on the money kuyt was on i'd work my socks of too!! the man is just not good enough!! i'd go as far as sayin he is the worst 'striker' in the prem!
Quote from: bridgegael on February 16, 2008, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on February 16, 2008, 04:58:59 PM
Why did Rafa take Babbel off!!!!!!
Kuyt and Kewell have to go - dying days of the rafa revilution I would say.
That said Liverpool should have won by about 4 but that man Kuyt who 'works his socks off...' can't score.....
if i was on the money kuyt was on i'd work my socks of too!! the man is just not good enough!! i'd go as far as sayin he is the worst 'striker' in the prem!
I'd say it's Voronin.
Shocking result today.
On Sky Le Tissier was saying Liverpool were lumping long balls in to the box and Barnsley were playing the better football. Benitez is not the man for Liverpool, they don't play with any style whatsoever, have no class outside of Torres & Gerrard.
I wouldn't say Barnsley played the better football - they only got out of their own half about 10 times in the whole 2nd half.
Saying that - their keeper was out of this world (and a former United lad at that)
Didn't see any of the match or hear anything about it only heard the result...
What can i say..Im gutted..... :(
But fair play to Barnsley they came they played and they won no more can be said...
In a strange way maybe its a blessing in disguise because as D:Ream once sang Things can only get better...They certainly can't get much worse.... :-\
Anyways as i said fair fucks to Barnsley its great to see clubs like that in the latter stages of the FA Cup,pity its at Liverpools expense but sure thats life
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 16, 2008, 05:30:31 PM
I wouldn't say Barnsley played the better football - they only got out of their own half about 10 times in the whole 2nd half.
Saying that - their keeper was out of this world (and a former United lad at that)
I was just quoting Le Tissier off Sky. Liverpool should be beating teams like Barnsley by 4 or 5. Arsenal, United or Chelsea would have buried them, Liverpool have slipped well below that level.
To be honest i thought the FA cup was there for the taking this year, the players are totally at fault for the result and must accept responsibiltty.
The team rafa put out was capable of beating barnsley, but there are players that arent fit to wear the liverpool jersey.
Rafas one more year(if he doesnt walk himself).
have to say i agree with j70,i couldnt give a good f**k about the fa cup,this year was the year to really challenge for the league but again we have failed miserably. We will probably go out and beat inter milan,but all that would do is paper over the cracks. Rafa turn off the lights on the way out. . . . .if he got another year all we would have is another dose of kewell etc
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q)
Great moments of TV!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 16, 2008, 10:29:08 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q)
Great moments of TV!
That needs to go on the classic youtube thread along with his Boro rant.
Adios Rafa.
This week could spell the end for Rafa. Fair enough, they were unlucky to lose today, but luck shouldn't come into it in that sort of match. They haven't been scoring enough or playing well since Christmas and I don't see how they're going to be able to suddenly turn it on against a top class side like Inter. No matter what is going on behind the scenes, results like today and recent ones against the likes of Wigan should not be happening. As I said before, I don't really give a fcuk about the cups this season, but the Barnsley defeat is simply the latest and lowest in an appalling run of form and if followed by defeat to Inter could be looked back on as the decisive blow to Rafa continuing as Liverpool manager.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 16, 2008, 10:29:08 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q)
Great moments of TV!
Is le tiss still alive after that
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 16, 2008, 10:29:08 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpaB7ya16Q)
Great moments of TV!
Himself and Merson are such tossers.
Reckon they'll be sensible enough to wait until the summer to get rid of Rafa, unless they already have Mourinho lined up. Hope to God they don't though, he might actually transform them into a decent football club.
4 - 0 to the CHAMPIONS!!!!!
With such uncertainty about the ownership of the club, it's hard to see who will decide who is to manage the club. If Hicks and Gillette thought that Klinsmann was the man to take over then I would be afraid who would take over after Rafa. I'm not sure any top manager who touch us at the moment.
It is very similiar to the dying days of Houllier's reign. I think they need to move to heaven and earth to get Jose in.
I have some sympathy at a personal level for Rafa but his time has come and the question has to be asked why far has he brought Liverpool? Not far I would say.
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2008, 12:49:06 AM
I don't really give a fcuk about the cups this season
Quote from: Minder on February 16, 2008, 05:59:02 PM
have to say i agree with j70,i couldnt give a good f**k about the fa cup,this year was the year to really challenge for the league but again we have failed miserably. We will probably go out and beat inter milan,but all that would do is paper over the cracks. Rafa turn off the lights on the way out. . . . .if he got another year all we would have is another dose of kewell etc
I can't believe some Liverpool posters are saying they didn't give a shite about the result or FA Cup on Saturday..
Yeah its all well and good saying you wanted Liverpool to do better in the Premiership this year but that boat had sailed last November...so whats the point in saying you didn't want to win anything else because the league has gone
In my view any sort of trophy this year would be have been great,I understand what you are saying regarding the Premiership but why bother playing in these Cups if your not going to try and want to win them
Its not like Liverpol are that good that they can be too choosey at the moment in which trophy they would prefer to win..
I am really gutted they lost on Saturday,as its another chance for some silverware gone,and with the Premier League looking ever more unlikely this decade i for one would take winning Cups rather than be winning nothing
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 02:26:59 PM
Its not like Liverpol are that good that they can be too choosey at the moment in which trophy they would prefer to win..
I am really gutted they lost on Saturday,as its another chance for some silverware gone,and with the Premier League looking ever more unlikely this decade i for one would take winning Cups rather than be winning nothing
Agree with you TRL. This snobery exhibited here, and by other clubs this year (Arsenal for example) is baffling. I don't think the Goons have won anything since 2004 off the top of my head, but they insist in picking what they want to compete in. What happens to MrWenger if they win nothing this year as well? Winning silverware is a habit, and CCup wins or FA Cup wins aid a sense of belief that can only help when the
P is on in the premiership!
Lads we have had this argument before. Liverpool have won every other cup since 2001, Uefa, League (in its various guises) FA and Champions League. We have not got any closer to winning the premiership. I just dont see how winning the FA Cup prepares you in any way for having a shot at the Premiership in the subsequesnt years.
Quote from: Minder on February 18, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
Lads we have had this argument before. Liverpool have won every other cup since 2001, Uefa, League (in its various guises) FA and Champions League. We have not got any closer to winning the premiership. I just dont see how winning the FA Cup prepares you in any way for having a shot at the Premiership in the subsequesnt years.
So you'd rather Liverpool won nothing for however long it takes them to win a Premieship ?
Winning
or not winning cups is not going to bring them any closer to landing the Premiership but i would rather see them winning something than winning nothing...
Every Liverpool fan would take the Premiership over any of those throphys Champions League included but the simple fact is they aren't good enough and it could be the next decade before they are even close to challenging for the league so whats the f**king point of playing in any of these Cups if they aren't going to try and win them because they certainly won't be winning a Premiership any time soon
Quote from: Minder on February 18, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
Lads we have had this argument before. Liverpool have won every other cup since 2001, Uefa, League (in its various guises) FA and Champions League. We have not got any closer to winning the premiership. I just dont see how winning the FA Cup prepares you in any way for having a shot at the Premiership in the subsequesnt years.
Is winning something not better than winning nothing?
I only gave my opinion, "when i were a lad" the F.A. cup was huge but in the last few years teams do not give a s*it about it. When Reading and indeed teams in the Championship are playing weakened teams it tells you something about a competitions worth, and of course we had United not even entering in 99/00. Of course it would be nice to win it now and again but i dont get too bothered when we get knocked out of it. If i was asked would i rather win the F.A Cup every year for the next ten years or the league once i know what the answer would be.......
QuoteIf i was asked would i rather win the F.A Cup every year for the next ten years or the league once i know what the answer would be.......
I understand that, but at the minute it's win the FA Cup once or win FA!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 18, 2008, 03:08:10 PM
QuoteIf i was asked would i rather win the F.A Cup every year for the next ten years or the league once i know what the answer would be.......
I understand that, but at the minute it's win the FA Cup once or win FA!
Not quite true..
Anybody that writes Liverpool off in the Champions League hasn't watched much soccer over the past 3 years
Remember they won it with a far worse squad than they have now,
League form goes straight out of the window in the European Cup
Otherwise Man United and Chelsea would have the very least made a final in the last 5 or 6 years ;)
It's true. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we beat Inter Milan tomorrow and then fail to beat Middlesbrough at home on the weekend.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 03:45:33 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 18, 2008, 03:08:10 PM
QuoteIf i was asked would i rather win the F.A Cup every year for the next ten years or the league once i know what the answer would be.......
I understand that, but at the minute it's win the FA Cup once or win FA!
Not quite true..
Anybody that writes Liverpool off in the Champions League hasn't watched much soccer over the past 3 years
Remember they won it with a far worse squad than they have now,League form goes straight out of the window in the European Cup
Otherwise Man United and Chelsea would have the very least made a final in the last 5 or 6 years ;)
Here's the misconception, they were not a weak squad, that group finished alot closer to a Premiership title than the present bunch. There are alot of average players at Liverpool at the Moment.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 03:45:33 PM
League form goes straight out of the window in the European Cup
Just remember LL, if you dont finish in the top 4 you wont have to worry about the premier competition in Europe ;)
Not true, we could win the champions league and it doesn't matter where we finish in the league........
I think it is pretty much a cert that Liverpool are not going to win the CL. Their Priority must be to srcape forth in the premiership to get the money from CL next year. You boys are in lala land if you think pool are going to win the CL :D :D.. Its no mistake that they are 14-1 to get it.. ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 04:36:21 PM
I think it is pretty much a cert that Liverpool are not going to win the CL. Their Priority must be to srcape forth in the premiership to get the money from CL next year. You boys are in lala land if you think pool are going to win the CL :D :D.. Its no mistake that they are 14-1 to get it.. ;)
Was this the same lala land they were in in 2005 and last year when they reached the final.. ???
Not saying Liverpool will win it I personally doubt they will,but i wouldn't be in the least surprised if they made it to a another semi final or final,but only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer would write them off completely
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2008, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 03:45:33 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 18, 2008, 03:08:10 PM
QuoteIf i was asked would i rather win the F.A Cup every year for the next ten years or the league once i know what the answer would be.......
I understand that, but at the minute it's win the FA Cup once or win FA!
Not quite true..
Anybody that writes Liverpool off in the Champions League hasn't watched much soccer over the past 3 years
Remember they won it with a far worse squad than they have now,League form goes straight out of the window in the European Cup
Otherwise Man United and Chelsea would have the very least made a final in the last 5 or 6 years ;)
Here's the misconception, they were not a weak squad, that group finished alot closer to a Premiership title than the present bunch. There are alot of average players at Liverpool at the Moment.
The group of players who won the CL finished 5th that year so how do you make out they were a lot closer to a Premiership title... ???
Plus they had the likes of Traore,Baros,Mellor,Cisse,Smicer,Biscan,Josemi in the squad so IMHO as bad as they are playing at the moment the Liverpol squad is better now than in 2005
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 04:51:24 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 04:36:21 PM
I think it is pretty much a cert that Liverpool are not going to win the CL. Their Priority must be to srcape forth in the premiership to get the money from CL next year. You boys are in lala land if you think pool are going to win the CL :D :D.. Its no mistake that they are 14-1 to get it.. ;)
Was this the same lala land they were in in 2005 and last year when they reached the final.. ???
Not saying Liverpool will win it I personally doubt they will,but i wouldn't be in the least surprised if they made it to a another semi final or final,but only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer would write them off completely
I don't think it is the same. Things are much worse in Liverpool. The mood amongst the players seems worse. The manager is nervous and the fans are def un-settled. If Liverpool were to win the CL it would be a bigger up-set that 2005 I think. Tomorrow night will tell a tale or two. :) I think 'only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer' would fancy them to do well in the CL but time will tell. ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
If Liverpool were to win the CL it would be a bigger up-set that 2005 I think. Tomorrow night will tell a tale or two. :) I think 'only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer' would fancy them to do well in the CL but time will tell. ;)
If the scousers win the CL it would be similar to Elvis atop Shergar being led by Lord Lucan strolling down O'Connell Street for fcuk sake
They have no chance at all. Rafa is slowly tearing them apart & this must be very painful for any real pool fan
What's the odds on a liverpool win tomorrow night? Cert
Quote from: full back on February 18, 2008, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
If Liverpool were to win the CL it would be a bigger up-set that 2005 I think. Tomorrow night will tell a tale or two. :) I think 'only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer' would fancy them to do well in the CL but time will tell. ;)
If the scousers win the CL it would be similar to Elvis atop Shergar being led by Lord Lucan strolling down O'Connell Street for fcuk sake
They have no chance at all. Rafa is slowly tearing them apart & this must be very painful for any real pool fan
Not as painful as having to read your posts.
Quote from: bingobus on February 18, 2008, 05:22:44 PM
Quote from: full back on February 18, 2008, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
If Liverpool were to win the CL it would be a bigger up-set that 2005 I think. Tomorrow night will tell a tale or two. :) I think 'only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer' would fancy them to do well in the CL but time will tell. ;)
If the scousers win the CL it would be similar to Elvis atop Shergar being led by Lord Lucan strolling down O'Connell Street for fcuk sake
They have no chance at all. Rafa is slowly tearing them apart & this must be very painful for any real pool fan
Not as painful as having to read your posts.
Boo f**king hoo
It was supposed to be tongue in cheek ::)
It looks like people still haven't learned from 2005 and last year when we were told practically from day one with monotonous regularity that Liverpool have absolutely no chance of beating Juventus, Chelsea, Barcelona or Milan or whoever it was that was put in front of us. Cue much egg on face all round.
We may not even get past Inter (who you obviously have to make favourites) but I'm not so stupid as to write them off totally and look like an even bigger muppet in the process having not learned the lessons of the past couple of years. Of course if we don't get past them expect the gloaters to be out in force telling everyone how right they were despite being consistently wrong for years before that.
Liverpool to win... 6-4 with inter at 15-8.( Ill have a score on that)
Rafa to be next Prem manager to get P45.... 8-13 fav.
Quote from: full back on February 18, 2008, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: bingobus on February 18, 2008, 05:22:44 PM
Quote from: full back on February 18, 2008, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
If Liverpool were to win the CL it would be a bigger up-set that 2005 I think. Tomorrow night will tell a tale or two. :) I think 'only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer' would fancy them to do well in the CL but time will tell. ;)
If the scousers win the CL it would be similar to Elvis atop Shergar being led by Lord Lucan strolling down O'Connell Street for fcuk sake
They have no chance at all. Rafa is slowly tearing them apart & this must be very painful for any real pool fan
Not as painful as having to read your posts.
Boo f**king hoo
It was supposed to be tongue in cheek ::)
Lighten up, if you could make it more apparent that it is tongue in cheek that would greatly help.
Ps Anyone wishing to see Elvis atop Shergar being led by Lord Lucan strolling down O'Connell Street should attend this years St Patricks Day parade in Dublin where the theme is Mysterious Disappearances. It has not been confimed if Christain Ronaldo will be taken part. ;D ;)
Quote from: bingobus on February 18, 2008, 05:41:02 PM
It has not been confimed is Christain Ronaldo will be taken place. ;D ;)
eh ???
Quote from: full back on February 18, 2008, 05:44:32 PM
Quote from: bingobus on February 18, 2008, 05:41:02 PM
It has not been confimed is Christain Ronaldo will be taken place. ;D ;)
eh ???
Its a joke at the fact he goes missing in big games....
Quite funny actually :D
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 04:51:24 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on February 18, 2008, 04:36:21 PM
I think it is pretty much a cert that Liverpool are not going to win the CL. Their Priority must be to srcape forth in the premiership to get the money from CL next year. You boys are in lala land if you think pool are going to win the CL :D :D.. Its no mistake that they are 14-1 to get it.. ;)
Was this the same lala land they were in in 2005 and last year when they reached the final.. ???
Not saying Liverpool will win it I personally doubt they will,but i wouldn't be in the least surprised if they made it to a another semi final or final,but only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer would write them off completely
I don't think it is the same. Things are much worse in Liverpool. The mood amongst the players seems worse. The manager is nervous and the fans are def un-settled. If Liverpool were to win the CL it would be a bigger up-set that 2005 I think. Tomorrow night will tell a tale or two. :) I think 'only a fool or someone who doesn't know much about soccer' would fancy them to do well in the CL but time will tell. ;)
You were obviously wetting yourself so much with the chance to use my quote back against me that you didn't read my post correctly..
I never said Liverpool will do well in the Champions League they could get an awful hiding against Milan who knows?If i did know what would happen i would be a millionaire from winning bets, I mearly stated it would be foolish to write them off because of their PremierLeague form,They have proven time and time again in Europe they are a match for anyone and you are completely writing them off because of their form in Domestic competitions at the moment that to me is a very foolish thing to do...
yBut as Galwaybayboy stated if Liverpool do happen to lose which is very possible,People like you will be on here saying i told you so as if you are all knowlegable and as Galwaybayboy said even though ye have been wrong over the last 3 seasons...But im sure that fact will be completely forgotten ::)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2008, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 18, 2008, 03:45:33 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 18, 2008, 03:08:10 PM
QuoteIf i was asked would i rather win the F.A Cup every year for the next ten years or the league once i know what the answer would be.......
I understand that, but at the minute it's win the FA Cup once or win FA!
Not quite true..
Anybody that writes Liverpool off in the Champions League hasn't watched much soccer over the past 3 years
Remember they won it with a far worse squad than they have now,League form goes straight out of the window in the European Cup
Otherwise Man United and Chelsea would have the very least made a final in the last 5 or 6 years ;)
Here's the misconception, they were not a weak squad, that group finished alot closer to a Premiership title than the present bunch. There are alot of average players at Liverpool at the Moment.
The group of players who won the CL finished 5th that year so how do you make out they were a lot closer to a Premiership title... ???
Plus they had the likes of Traore,Baros,Mellor,Cisse,Smicer,Biscan,Josemi in the squad so IMHO as bad as they are playing at the moment the Liverpol squad is better now than in 2005
The Majority of that group were around for the 2001/02 Season which finished second on a respectable 80 Points. and where in with a shout under the terrible Houllier with two games to go. The present squad would have to win 12 of their final 13 games to equal that!
i think the biggest difference between 2005 & now is that back then, even though we had a brutal team, they had a huge amount of confidence, were actually playing well & had a habit of playing above themselves when needed. Totally different now, our lge form has been shocking and even regulars like carragher & alonso are off form and there is a huge lack of confidence throughout the squad. Also the off the field antics certainly havent helped either.
im very worried about tonight. will need to keep it tight and hope for something special from gerard or el nino. certainly possible, but it's more hope than expectation im filled with in advance of the game.
2 nil tonight - not saying to who though :D
`NO MORE ROTATION` FOR RAFA
Posted 19/02/08 10:41EmailPrintSave
Rafa Benitez has reportedly told his players that there will be no more rotation this season as he bids to save his job.
According to The Guardian, he gathered the players on Sunday after the FA Cup humiliation and 'told the assembled throng it was the intention to field only his strongest team in the pursuit of this season's remaining two targets: fourth place and the Champions League.'
Reports suggest that Benitez needs to at least finish fourth in the Premier League to keep his job beyond the summer, and Benitez is prepared to sacrifice his usual rotation tactics to achieve that.
"The atmosphere is not bad," he said on Monday. "Everybody's sad, everybody's disappointed but the players are training well. They know the Champions League is an important competition and also they know they have two targets now, to finish in the top four and the Champions League. I have explained this to them. We don't have to rest players with four competitions in mind."
That means that Steven Gerrard, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Torres and Jose Reina will be expected to play every remaining game of this season if they are fit.
Their season starts in earnest tonight against Inter Milan in the Champions League.
Does Rafa even know his best team?
If this is true, isn't he going back on all he believes? Why has it taken so long for him to realise? Is it to appease the media/former players?
Quote from: gawa316 on February 19, 2008, 05:34:12 PM
If this is true, isn't he going back on all he believes? Why has it taken so long for him to realise? Is it to appease the media/former players?
Has it taken this long for him to realise he has fcuked up?
I would expect a passionate, driven performance from Liverpool tonight - their entire season is on the line, so I would think they'll play like they did against Juve in '05 or Barcelona last year. If they can't raise their game tonight, Benitez is finished.
Reina, Finnan, Aurelio, Carragher, Hyypia, Mascherano, Lucas, Gerrard, Babel, Torres, Kuyt.
Subs: Itandje, Riise, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Pennant, Alonso, Crouch.[
Half Time 0-0. All the ball and cannot create anything. Now when have we seen that before.
Inter down to ten men and looking comfortable. They should be looking for 2-0 at least and finish the tie now but can't see us scoring.
And there is no point sending on Crouch, none of our crosses are higher than 3 feet!!!
Quote from: myball22 on February 19, 2008, 08:37:48 PM
Half Time 0-0. All the ball and cannot create anything. Now when have we seen that before.
Inter down to ten men and looking comfortable. They should be looking for 2-0 at least and finish the tie now but can't see us scoring.
And there is no point sending on Crouch, none of our crosses are higher than 3 feet!!!
There looking far from comfortable...liverpool all over them...1-0 liverpool
ITV commentator said he spent a few days with a women's Gaelic team recently. His words were......"Whats going on over in that country?" (or something to that affect) :D
Stone wall penalty turned down for Liverpool!! >:(
QuoteITV commentator said he spent a few days with a women's Gaelic team recently. His words were......"Whats going on over in that country?" (or something to that affect)
could not make it out either as son came into room at that time, telling me of his new high score on ps3
Where have we seen this before? Chance after chance.......
Torres unlucky there with a one on one, great save!
at least we are creating chances this half!
Finnans crossing is atrocious
Sweet
death dirk downs the dirty italians
1 nil
O' Choicht
Not sure one will be enough.
Two is better.....
2 nil
O' Gherraird
Ten behind the ball in the return leg me thinks......
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 19, 2008, 04:14:42 PM
2 nil tonight - not saying to who though :D
well lookie what we have here ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Anyone know why the return leg is a week later than all the other games
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/champions_league_fixtures/default.stm
Tuesday, 04 March 2008
AC Milan v Arsenal, R1, L2, 19:45
Barcelona v Celtic, R1, L2, 19:45
Man Utd v Lyon, R1, L2, 19:45
Sevilla v Fenerbahce, R1, L2, 19:45
Wednesday, 05 March 2008
Chelsea v Olympiakos, R1, L2, 19:45
FC Porto v Schalke 04, R1, L2, 19:45
Real Madrid v Roma, R1, L2, 19:45
Tuesday, 11 March 2008
Inter Milan v Liverpool, R1, L2, 19:45
Because AC and Inter are both at home for return legs.
Quote from: hardstation on February 19, 2008, 09:49:25 PM
Savage effort with the score call and the names, Gabriel.
imitation = sincerest form of flattery ;)
I see we got the usual credit from those twats on rte. How Souness has the gumption to slag anyone is beyond me.
What was dunphy saying about stephen ireland and some of the other rep players? missed that bit
QuoteWhat was dunphy saying about stephen ireland and some of the other rep players? missed that bit
Think he said that the Ireland players were as good as the Inter Milan players. Utter nonsense of course. Unfortunately some fans buy into everything he says and it looks like the expectations for Trapattoni are going to be unrealistically high.
Reasonable performance from Liverpool although the very soft sending off was the crucial point in the game. The game was their's after that. Think they may need a goal in Milan particularly if Inter score early.
I'm a big fan of Peter Crouch. Again tonight, when he came on, he created havoc in the Inter defence and Liverpool upped their game likewise, knowing that he's always about if a through ball was not an option. He also seems to have more attempts on goal in 20 mins that the entire Liverpool strike-force do in 70. I get the feeling Torres likes him as a partner up front too as he also came alive on Crouch's arrival.
The only think about Peter is that his presence usually means any subtle gameplan is out the window and it's bombs away. That's probably why he cannot be started.
As I said before the game.......................
NEVER WRITE LIVERPOOL OFF IN EUROPE
But some fools never listen ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't think it matters that Milan had a player sent off,And i admit unfairly sent off,
Inter weren't at the races even with 11 players,and too be honest its often a harder task to score against 10 than 11 as the team with 10 defends more as we saw tonight
Quote from: gawa316 on February 19, 2008, 10:15:32 PM
I see we got the usual credit from those twats on rte. How Souness has the gumption to slag anyone is beyond me.
What was dunphy saying about stephen ireland and some of the other rep players? missed that bit
f**k Dunphy he has never anything good to say about Liverpool even Bill pointed this out tonight..
If United had won tonight he would have been creaming himself
I think Souness was actually the best of them tonight,He was the only one who knew what he was talking about
The thing that Dunphy and Giles seem to have a real problem with is that the 'Champions' League is not about finding the best team in Europe. Liverpool are struggling to be the best team on Merseyside at the moment, never mind the best team in England or Europe.
The only way you would find the 'best team in Europe' is either a) Return the competition to only allowing national Champions to enter, or b) Make it into a straight league competition, with the team at the top at the end crowned Champions.
At the moment, the Champion's League is a glorified Cup competition, albeit with millions of pounds to be had as well.
Liverpool, on their night and with a full team, can play with anybody. Their problem is, and has been for about 15 years now, is consistancy. Play well against Chelsea, rubbish against Barnsley, well against Inter, rubbish against Boro etc etc. That is no way to win a league title.
However, in a series of knockout ties, which Liverpool have essentially been in since they lost to Besiktas over in turkey, Liverpool are very difficult opponents, and well capable of playing with anybody.
Dunphy shows his remarkable ignorance of this fact, along with ignorance of recent history when he says Liverpool will get nowhere near winning Europe, and haven't a hope against the likes of MAn Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Seville, Barcalona and Real Madrid. Leaving aside the fact that he felt the need to rubbish Serie A because it didn't suit his argument last night (Roma beat Real by the way Eamon, and AC are the current holders), it is fairly obvious that Eamon doesn't grasp this concept that a decent, well organised team, with their slice of luck can go a long way in a cup competition.
I'd have thought a football 'expert' would at least understand that.
Didn't hear what the lads on RTE were saying but Liverpool deserved to win last night and the sending off was a disgrace. Like AZ said Liverpool are a good cup team in that they can put in a performance against anyone on a given day and with a large slice of luck could go all the way in the CL - I don't think they will myself but on the basis of last night Inter certainly don't offer much of a threat and Liverpool should get through this tie. Italian teams fascinate me - I think Inter went out last night to play for a nil all from the start and got punished for doing so - How they are so fa ahead in Serie A to me is an indictment of the standard there. Maybe they'll up the ir game in the second leg but I was hugely disapointed in them.
Gerrard is so frustrating to watch though - I thought he was rubbish overall last night but then he pops up in the 91st minute and sticks that one away. Great finish but I suppose thats his value to the team.
Quoteunfairly sent off
I think every ref on the planet has the knives out for Matterazzi after Germany '06, and who could blame them? He made no attempt to play the ball in either 'challenge' on Torres, and seemed more interested in the man than the ball - interestingly he didn't get booked for his worst challenge on Torres (in the first minute or two), but even then you could see that the ref wasn't going to tolerate much of that kind of crap. He got sent off for his (at least) fourth foul on the same player in 20 mins, none of which were in threatening positions - as a defender he can hardly argue a harsh decision.
Inter, as Souness said, didn't seem to come with any intention to attack, and would have been very happy with a 0-0 - I'm glad they got beaten, and at 1-0 would have made for a very interesting second leg - I think Liverpool will get through now. Decent 2nd half display from Gerrard and Mascherano, kept them going til the final whistle. God, Kuyt is very ordinary.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 20, 2008, 12:47:01 AM
As I said before the game.......................
But some fools never listen ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't think it matters that Milan had a player sent off,And i admit unfairly sent off,
Inter weren't at the races even with 11 players,and too be honest its often a harder task to score against 10 than 11 as the team with 10 defends more as we saw tonight
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The un-fair sending off ruined the game as a contest (even though it took Liverpool 55 mins to score)
11 verses 11 in Italy will be interesting. I expect liverpool to play with a back 10 and the complete opposite to lastnights game. The question is.. can they hold off? I fancy 2-0 and penalties :o :o
Get your money on another Milan Pool final.
Dunphy reckons they are both crap..
Quote from: EC Unique on February 20, 2008, 09:30:56 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 20, 2008, 12:47:01 AM
As I said before the game.......................
But some fools never listen ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't think it matters that Milan had a player sent off,And i admit unfairly sent off,
Inter weren't at the races even with 11 players,and too be honest its often a harder task to score against 10 than 11 as the team with 10 defends more as we saw tonight
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The un-fair sending off ruined the game as a contest (even though it took Liverpool 55 mins to score)
11 verses 11 in Italy will be interesting. I expect liverpool to play with a back 10 and the complete opposite to lastnights game. The question is.. can they hold off? I fancy 2-0 and penalties :o :o
Naw it was ruined as a contest when Milan were playing for a nil nil from the of. I'd go two nil for the second leg as well. Tho no penalties!! ;D
Though Masch was very good and at least Liverpool were getting the ball out wide last night. Tho some of Finnan's crosses were woeful. Gerrard was poor enough without the goal. I was watching him during the game and when he had Masch and Lucas behind him he should have been making a better effort to get forward.
It was a definite penalty aswell. Paddy ya big p***k ya!!
Good result for yer lot last night. I didn't see much of it, but what I did see the saending off was harsh but Lpool seemed to dominate posession before and after anyhow. I was too busy watching the classic on ITV 4!
I jsut hope that as Lpool have nothing else to play for- getting 4th place should be a gimme- that they again can ply all their resources and energy into the CL. A luxury mssers Grant, Benitez and Ferguson cannot do!
How the fcuk do the scousers pull results out of the hat like that ???
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 20, 2008, 02:15:08 PM
I jsut hope that as Lpool have nothing else to play for- getting 4th place should be a gimme- that they again can ply all their resources and energy into the CL. A luxury mssers Grant, Benitez and Ferguson cannot do!
Bit of a contradiction there my friend.
I assume he meant 'Grant, Wenger and Ferguson'.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 20, 2008, 03:27:10 PM
I assume he meant 'Grant, Wenger and Ferguson'.
As AZ states....sorry!
Quote from: full back on February 20, 2008, 02:17:14 PM
How the fcuk do the scousers pull results out of the hat like that ???
Were you really that surprised?
Liverpool can match anyone in a cup-tie (they've knocked Chelsea out of cups three times over the past four seasons, while only beating them once in the league). Its the league that is the problem.
Quote from: full back on February 20, 2008, 02:17:14 PM
How the fcuk do the scousers pull results out of the hat like that ???
What surprises me is that people are surprised at results like that from liverpool in the CL. Over the past three years in the comp plus this year as well they have taken on whoever and have only been taken down when it counts by Benfica.
I would fear no-one in the tournement over two legs. Inter will prob pose more problems in the San Siro than they did last night but with their two CB possibly out, I would fancy us to nick one goal that would see us through.
Results like last night can be frustrating. However, I think that if Kuyts effort V City on Dec 29th went in like lasts night, then we wouldn't be too far off Chelsea. It is fine margins that make a season and if we got the three points their it would have lifted everyone at the time but it had the opposite effect. It is like the plastic treble season, Gary Mac's winner V Everton in injury time just carried the team onto greater heights while a draw then could have been disasterous.
Quote from: J70 on February 20, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: full back on February 20, 2008, 02:17:14 PM
How the fcuk do the scousers pull results out of the hat like that ???
Were you really that surprised?
Liverpool can match anyone in a cup-tie (they've knocked Chelsea out of cups three times over the past four seasons, while only beating them once in the league). Its the league that is the problem.
Except Barnsley :D :D
All joking aside Liverpool amaze me in this competition. They have been terrible for about 4 months in England but turn in a performance lastnight. Don't get me wrong they were far from outstanding but certainly alot better than they have been. Can they keep it going?? Can they up their performances at home to secure 4th or do they just win the CL and not worry about 4th :D :D :D
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 19, 2008, 11:11:16 PM
QuoteWhat was dunphy saying about stephen ireland and some of the other rep players? missed that bit
Think he said that the Ireland players were as good as the Inter Milan players. Utter nonsense of course. Unfortunately some fans buy into everything he says and it looks like the expectations for Trapattoni are going to be unrealistically high.
Not what he was saying at all. He was on about the level of performance that the players would give.
Inter Milan will be without both first choice centre backs for the return clash with Liverpool in the San Siro.
Marco Materazzi is suspended after being sent off for two bookable offences at Anfield, while Ivan Cordoba could miss the rest of the season after it emerged he sustained cruciate ligament damage during the second half of Tuesday night's game.
With Walter Samuel already sidelined with a similar injury, full-backs Cristian Chivu and Nicolas Burdisso are likely to be asked to hold the defence together by Inter coach Roberto Mancini.
Big bonus for Liverpool with Cordoba out, thought he was fantastic on Tuesday, however we probably would be better off with Matterazzi playing as Torres definitely had the better of him for the short time he was on the field.
Would be a case for Crouch to play with two FB playing in centre of defence. Doubt he'll start him though, should play some part though.
5 across the middle, Torres on his own to use his pace on the break. Inter will have to chase the game, so if you play maybe Babel and Benyoun on the wing they could use their pace as well.
Is Masch suspended? If not him, Gerard and Lucas or Alonso in the centre.
Soak it up for the first 20 minutes, get the home fans on Inters' back, they will leave gaps as they take chances and then hit them up the channels.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 21, 2008, 12:03:55 PM
5 across the middle, Torres on his own to use his pace on the break. Inter will have to chase the game, so if you play maybe Babel and Benyoun on the wing they could use their pace as well.
Is Masch suspended? If not him, Gerard and Lucas or Alonso in the centre.
Soak it up for the first 20 minutes, get the home fans on Inters' back, they will leave gaps as they take chances and then hit them up the channels.
If Rafa desides to go for a 5 man midfield (which I say he will), I hope he uses midfielders in these roles.
My team at present would be
Reina
Finnan Carragher Hyppia Arbeloa
Masch Lucas
Benyayoun Gerrard Babel
Torres
Possibility of swapping Lucas and Alonso. I know Alonso hasn't been playing to his best recently but he has big game temperament and won't (shouldn't) give the ball away.
Plan B if needed bring on Crouch and Pennant
Liverpool are terrible in the League I will admit that but what annoys me is people saying we are only good in Cup competitions. In 2005 we played 15 games to win the Champions League loosing once. It is not the fact that it is a cup competition, more the fact that tactics come into play alot more in Europe and in my eyes, tactically Rafa is the best about. (In Europe anyway)
Team for 2nd leg:
Reina
Finnan JC Hyypia Aurelio (even if he was brutal the other night)
Pennant Masch Alonso Babel
Gerrard
Torres.
Tuesday night's result got me thinking as to why Europe suits Rafa and he has struggled so badly in the Premier League. Playing in Europe seems to suit his tactical genius whereas in the Premier League nobody really plays with any great tactics, they just to go out to play. In the Premier League, it's down to how the players perform on the day. His tactical outlook on football is lost in the Premier League.
To win the Premier League he simply needs to buy better players than he has done (with the odd exception).
Quote from: mackers on February 21, 2008, 03:00:28 PM
Tuesday night's result got me thinking as to why Europe suits Rafa and he has struggled so badly in the Premier League. Playing in Europe seems to suit his tactical genius whereas in the Premier League nobody really plays with any great tactics, they just to go out to play. In the Premier League, it's down to how the players perform on the day. His tactical outlook on football is lost in the Premier League.
To win the Premier League he simply needs to buy better players than he has done (with the odd exception).
Dont know if that really makes sense... If he is a tactical genius and nobody else plays with any great tactics then he should be able to win more games. If his players are good enough to win in europe they should be good enough to win in Premiership. They will be found out in Europe this year I think. If they are going to the final they probably will have to beat Premiership opposition anyway!
Agreed, we are bound to meet Chelsea in the semis.
Not sure i subscribe to the "Rafa's tactical genius" theory either.
look at his results for liverpool:
Champ Lge: In the 4 seasons, Liverpool have played 52 CL games, winning 31 (59.6%), drawing 10 (19.2%) & losing 11 (21.2%). Now for the PL, in the last 2 full seasons, we have played 76 games, winning 45 (59.2%), drawing 15 (19.8%) & losing 16 (21%).
Very similar % rates. I think the simple reason we have been so successful in the CL, is that for away games a draw/narrow defeat isnt a bad result. However in the PL, you just fall further & further away from the top teams with those results.
Quote from: stevo-08 on February 21, 2008, 05:06:01 PM
Not sure i subscribe to the "Rafa's tactical genius" theory either.
look at his results for liverpool:
Champ Lge: In the 4 seasons, Liverpool have played 52 CL games, winning 31 (59.6%), drawing 10 (19.2%) & losing 11 (21.2%). Now for the PL, in the last 2 full seasons, we have played 76 games, winning 45 (59.2%), drawing 15 (19.8%) & losing 16 (21%).
Very similar % rates. I think the simple reason we have been so successful in the CL, is that for away games a draw/narrow defeat isnt a bad result. However in the PL, you just fall further & further away from the top teams with those results.
Also in the CL group stages you can afford to lose games and still qualify, as Liverpool have probably proved more than any other team in recent times - that's the system. Again proving that when the chips are down they can get themselves up for matchs of importance (Olympiacos), whereas the hum drum games often escape them (Marseille).
Quote from: gawa316 on February 21, 2008, 12:29:51 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 21, 2008, 12:03:55 PM
My team at present would be
Reina
Finnan Carragher Hyppia Arbeloa
Masch Lucas
Benyayoun Gerrard Babel
Torres
Plan B if needed bring on Crouch and Pennant
Quote from: corn02 on February 21, 2008, 02:26:37 PM
Reina
Finnan JC Hyypia Aurelio (even if he was brutal the other night)
Pennant Masch Alonso Babel
Gerrard
Torres.
Do you really think Babel is good enough to start for Liverpool or is it a case that their is nobody else to play in that position ?
I would pick Riise ahead of him to be honest i thought Babel was awful the other night,constantly giving the ball away,In fact i haven't seen anything from him this season to make me think he is worth a starting place
I'd have him up front with Torres as our first choice strikers
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 21, 2008, 08:08:15 PM
I'd have him up front with Torres as our first choice strikers
Thats not a bad idea,I certainly wouldn't have him on the wing.He gives the ball away to much and tries to take on players when a pass would be a better option..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2008, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 21, 2008, 08:08:15 PM
I'd have him up front with Torres as our first choice strikers
Thats not a bad idea,I certainly would have him on the wing.He gives the ball away to much and tries to take on players when a pass would be a better option..
The reason I've had him in is simple...pace. This could be useful as i expect we will have to play a lot of counter-attacking football. He also has a degree of unpredictability which we serious lack.
Quote from: gawa316 on February 21, 2008, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 21, 2008, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 21, 2008, 08:08:15 PM
I'd have him up front with Torres as our first choice strikers
Thats not a bad idea,I certainly would have him on the wing.He gives the ball away to much and tries to take on players when a pass would be a better option..
The reason I've had him in is simple...pace. This could be useful as i expect we will have to play a lot of counter-attacking football. He also has a degree of unpredictability which we serious lack.
Pace is all well and good but when you use it to run into dead ends like Babel does its not much use...
The only thing unpredictable i can see about Babel is you never know when he is going to make a simple pass or go on a crazy run and try and beat 4 defenders on his own
OK, tactical genius was a bit OTT, what I meant what he seems to enjoy the games of chess that you get more often in Europe than you do in the Premier League. Premier League teams & managers don't rely as much on tactics as European clubs do.
That's a good comeback though, stevo-08, kicks my theory into touch! :-[
seems to be a bit of a defensive crisis. Taken from the bbc website
QuoteLiverpool have a defensive headache with Jamie Carragher suspended and Martin Skrtel (ankle) set to miss out.
Daniel Agger can resume playing after his foot problem but he will not be risked, meaning Alvaro Arbeloa could partner Sami Hyypia in the centre.
Quote from: FermGael on February 23, 2008, 10:35:46 AM
seems to be a bit of a defensive crisis. Taken from the bbc website
QuoteLiverpool have a defensive headache with Jamie Carragher suspended and Martin Skrtel (ankle) set to miss out.
Daniel Agger can resume playing after his foot problem but he will not be risked, meaning Alvaro Arbeloa could partner Sami Hyypia in the centre.
Taken from Liverpoolfc.tv
With Jamie Carragher suspended for the Middlesbrough clash after picking up five yellow cards, Martin Skrtel is likely to partner Sami Hyypia.
The Slovak has recovered from a calf injury which kept him out against Barnsley and Inter.
Rafa Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv: "We will try to manage without Carra. We have the experience of Sami and Martin is available.
Quote from: mackers on February 22, 2008, 04:42:08 PM
OK, tactical genius was a bit OTT, what I meant what he seems to enjoy the games of chess that you get more often in Europe than you do in the Premier League. Premier League teams & managers don't rely as much on tactics as European clubs do.
That's a good comeback though, stevo-08, kicks my theory into touch! :-[
yea, i agree mackers. he definitely seems to enjoy the CL. and to be fair, i think in the CL, you dont often play teams who set out to defend 100%. unlike the PL, where man city for example, boasting a 100% home record and lying 5th, played for a draw against liverpool. that just doesnt seem to suit benitez. but i actually think he is a good manager and given more time & money could deliver the PL.
anyway, lets hope for some improvement in todays game v boro.
Liverpool 3-2 up. Torres Hatrick. it'll be good to get him back in the team and scoring again.
Boro got two goals marked of.
Son of club owner flees from irate Liverpool fans
25/02/2008 - 13:48:45
The son of one of Liverpool Football Club's unpopular owners had to flee a tough Anfield pub after fans turned on him.The son of one of Liverpool Football Club's unpopular owners had to flee a tough Anfield pub after fans turned on him.
Tom Hicks Jnr decided to go for a pint of lager at Anfield's Sandon pub after Liverpool beat Middlesbrough 3-2 on Saturday.
The 6ft 4in Texan talked for a few minutes with Scousers grilling him about controversy surrounding the historic club.
The scene soon turned ugly however with Hicks Jnr being spat at and showered with a pint before his minders formed a ring round him and escorted him to a waiting people carrier.
Tony Barrett, LFC writer for the city's Echo newspaper, was in the pub.
He wrote today: "A volley of protest songs – aired with increasing regularity on the Kop in recent months – rang out throughout the pub and the venom being directed at Hicks junior was plain for all to see.
"All of a sudden, his smile was replaced by a grimace of concern.
"And as the volume was cranked up still further by the swollen crowd, Tommy's facial expression quickly changed.
"It appeared to say: 'Get me out of here' to his bodyguards."
Hicks Jnr had been his father's representative at Anfield on Saturday and would have heard anti-American jeers – directed at the instability the Americans have apparently brought to the club.
Saying he wanted an opportunity to talk to fans, Hicks Jnr told the Echo: "I respect that some patrons have major disagreements with us, but that comes with the territory.
"I did have several constructive conversations in my short visit and look forward to following up with them next time I am in Liverpool."
Speculation continues that Hicks Snr and co-owner George Gillett may soon sell Liverpool to Dubai International Capital.
In recent months an LFC supporters' union, the Sons of Shankly, was established to overthrow the American businessmen and moves were made by the fans themselves to buy the club.
Heard about this.
What exactly was he expecting? A total PR disaster, I really can not see how he thought this would be a good idea.
PR disaster for who, Hicks or the fans? Idiotic thing to do when they are not popular. If they wanted to gauge the feelings of the fans they would have been better organising an open forum where people could go and air their views, not go down the local with the body guards for a quiet drink with the locals!
Might have been a stupid idea for Hicks to go to the pub but what kind of sc**bag spits and throws a pint at someone,Does anyone really care what this type of person thinks about Liverpool FC, Scumbags of the highest order,
No one deserves that kind of treatment if you ask me
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 25, 2008, 05:07:34 PM
Might have been a stupid idea for Hicks to go to the pub but what kind of sc**bag spits and throws a pint at someone,Does anyone really care what this type of person thinks about Liverpool FC, Scumbags of the highest order,
No one deserves that kind of treatment if you ask me
Nobody does but it was still daft to go to a pub like that. What was he expecting that's what I want to know?
It may have been ill advised but it doesent mean you have to act like a f**king kn**ker, whatever happened to that warm Scouse welcome coupled with the ascerbic scouse wit ?
Quote from: Minder on February 25, 2008, 08:39:10 PM
It may have been ill advised but it doesent mean you have to act like a f**king kn**ker, whatever happened to that warm Scouse welcome coupled with the ascerbic scouse wit ?
Exactly. There is no excuse whatsoever for that type of behaviour.
PR disaster for Hicks of course.
Because it would not be like the media to exaggerate what happened, from people who were there is was just some chanting.
Maybe, but some boy posted a supposed first-hand account on Red and White Kop on Saturday after the game, including the spitting. The thread was deleted.
Feb 25 2008 by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo
Liverpool FC reporter Tony Barrett was in the Sandon when Tom Hicks Jr dropped in. This is what he witnessed ...
UNLESS Birmingham City's Martin Taylor decides to pop into Eduardo's north London local for a swift half, it would be hard to imagine a more ill-judged pub visit than the one which took place in Anfield on Saturday evening.
Rumours of Tom Hicks junior going for a pint at the Sandon – the very place where Liverpool's most hardcore support congregates before and after matches – would have been almost impossible to believe had I not seen it with my own eyes.
In a display of bravery beyond the call of family duty or crass stupidity and insensitivity, depending on your point of view, Tommy waltzed into the packed watering hole without a care in the world.
Well, he was surrounded by a team of burly minders, so what is there to care about?
Hicks arrived outside the Sandon an hour after he watched the team his dad so controversially owns beat Middlesbrough 3-2.
Emerging from a silver people carrier, he enjoyed a cigarette outside before pulling out a camera and taking pictures of the exterior of the pub, the birthplace of Liverpool FC.
Even while he was puffing and snapping away, his security were never too far away from him.
Someone had clearly warned them young Tommy may not be too popular in L4 given the way his father is viewed by the vast majority of Liverpool's fans.
As supporters looked on, some oblivious to who this well protected individual was and others all too well aware, Hicks junior then told his bodyguards he fancied a drink and walked into the pub.
The Sandon may not be a coliseum and it may not have contained any lions but there was an inescapable feeling Roman-style blood sports were about to take place.
Having avoided the main bar, Hicks junior went to the slightly less crowded middle bar and ordered a pint of lager for himself and soft drinks for his always on-duty security guards.
As soon as he spoke, ears began pricking up and people quickly realised the identity of Texan in their midst.
It isn't exactly difficult to spot a sharp-suited American in a pub full of Adidas Samba wearing locals after all – and word spread around the boozer quicker than news of a goal against Man United.
All of a sudden, the bar was packed as fans flocked from all corners of the Sandon to see if the seemingly unbelievable rumour sweeping the pub was true. And it was.
At first, Hicks junior had nothing more troublesome to cope with than a few direct questions as to why he was there, what his dad was doing with the club and whether or not they were about to sell out to DIC.
Such polite questioning reflected the shock that someone so closely connected with the least popular man at Anfield – apart from Gary Neville – would have the chutzpah to turn up in their midst.
One fan took it upon himself to press Hicks junior on what was going on and interrogated him Paxman-style for a full five minutes.
But while that was going on, the mood was turning increasingly nasty as anger replaced the shock.
A volley of protest songs – aired with increasing regularity on the Kop in recent months – rang out throughout the pub and the venom being directed at Hicks junior was plain for all to see.
All of a sudden, his smile was replaced by a grimace of concern.
And as the volume was cranked up still further by the swollen crowd, Tommy's facial expression quickly changed.
It appeared to say "Get Me Out Of Here" to his bodyguards.
At least his desire to evacuate showed he had something in common with the fans who, by that stage, had adapted one of their favourite protest songs to inform him, not too politely, that the "lying b******d" should get out of their pub.
Hicks junior has not told any lies of course. And guilt by association is a heavy burden for any son to have to bear.
But as his father's representative at Anfield on Saturday it borders on the inexplicable that he could have expected anything other than the "welcome" he was given.
As his bodyguards got closer one fan swilled Hicks junior with a pint of lager – and given the price of a pint in the Sandon after the match that's quite a protest.
Another spat in his direction.
It was ugly and it was nasty. And, perhaps worst of all it was all so avoidable.
As it became increasingly clear things could have been about to go badly wrong, Hicks' bodyguards decided discretion was indeed the better part of valour. They positioned themselves around him and guided him out of the pub through the hostile crowd and into the people carrier.
His hasty departure was totally at odds with the way he sauntered into the pub.
And yet it is hard to imagine that he expected to get anything other than the reception he got, given the feelings of the fans towards the regime he is a part of.
At best, it was a well meaning attempt to build some bridges on Hicks junior's part.
At worst, it was yet another failure to understand English football culture and proof of the failure of Liverpool's owners to grasp just how unpopular they have become.
One thing is for sure – Tom Hicks jnr is unlikely to be going for another pint at the Sandon any time soon.
Everton keeping the pressure on for 4th ;D ;D How will they get on in the CL :P :P ;D
Everton are looking very solid in fairness. They're picking up good results and are a lot more consistent than Liverpool at the moment. At this stage I'll be surprised if Liverpool get fourth.
Quote from: EC Unique on February 26, 2008, 10:03:56 AM
Everton keeping the pressure on for 4th ;D ;D How will they get on in the CL :P :P ;D
Everton weren't equipped for the CL the last time they reached it but they have a far better squad now. I am not saying they will finish 4th but anybody that watched them last night would have to be impressed. But for inspired goalkeeping and a blind referee they would have put 6 by City last night.
If any team is going to oust Liverpool out of 4th it will be them. In all fairness I can't see reason why either team can't go for 3rd. Avram Grant looks clueness now that he has a full squad.
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At worst, it was yet another failure to understand English football culture
Culture alright to spit and throw beer over people you don't like
more talk about the DIC takeover (from the indo today)
American owners get Anfield takeover ball rolling
By Oliver Kay
Tuesday February 26 2008
TOM Hicks and George Gillett Jr, Liverpool's American owners, are preparing to signal the beginning of the end of their regime at Anfield by granting Dubai International Capital (DIC) permission to examine the club's accounts with a view to making an official takeover bid next month.
Hicks has consistently claimed that he has no intention of selling his 50pc stake in the club, but, while he plans to retain some of his shares and some of his influence at Anfield for the immediate future, face-to-face discussions with DIC officials in Dubai and, more significantly, London last week, have brought a deal closer.
Although a final agreement is understood to be some weeks away, with the Americans eager to maximise their profits after a turbulent 12 months in control, sources in the US have indicated that Hicks and Gillett are ready to show their willingness to sell by granting a period of due diligence to DIC.
Gillett, whose involvement with the club is now minimal, is expected to be the first to sell his 50pc stake, possibly by the middle of next month. Hicks is likely to sell only part of his stake initially, leaving DIC in majority control of the club but retaining some interest and his board place at least in the short term.
Hicks's abrasive manner means that he is regarded as the most likely obstacle to any deal being completed, but discussions are said to be progressing "sensibly and professionally", albeit slowly. Although Hicks could, in theory, buy Gillett's stake in order to strengthen his own bargaining position, that is thought to be unlikely.
For now, no price has been agreed between DIC and either of the co-chairmen. The Americans, whose initial takeover just over 12 months ago was valued at £218.9m, now put the club's worth at more than £400m, but £350m of that figure would be swallowed by the debts incurred as a result of their recent refinancing deal. DIC would be reluctant to meet that valuation if, as remains the case, Liverpool are in danger of missing out on qualification for next season's Champions League and the associated riches.
DIC's plans for Liverpool are not yet clear beyond its eagerness to conduct a wide-ranging review of all departments of the club, but its arrival would be greeted enthusiastically by many fans.
Welcomed by some as saviours in February last year, the Americans have attracted hostility not only by taking the club into debt -- something that they pledged they would not do -- but also by their treatment of Rafael Benitez, the manager, having held talks with Jurgen Klinsmann about replacing him. There was also the embarrassment over their grandiose designs for a new stadium, which were unveiled amid fanfare in July only to be dropped owing to spiralling costs five months later.
Tom Hicks Jr, who was invited to join his father on the board, was confronted angrily by some supporters when he visited a pub near Anfield on Saturday. He claimed yesterday that he "had several constructive conversations" during his visit and that he hoped to "follow up with them next time I am in Liverpool".
By contrast, Gillett's son, Foster, who was initially dispatched to Merseyside to liaise between Benitez and the owners, has spent the past month in Montreal, apparently with no plans to return. Benitez has attempted to build bridges with Hicks in the meantime, but now it seems that power at Anfield is about to be transferred to Dubai. (© The Times, London)
- Oliver Kay
I take it that is from the Times and not the "indo" ?
Taken from todays irish independent, See here:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/american-owners-get-anfield-takeover-ball-rolling-1297971.html
I think the point is the indo reprint a lot of their material from the Times' columnists.
Here you go...
QuoteBy contrast, Gillett's son, Foster, who was initially dispatched to Merseyside to liaise between Benitez and the owners, has spent the past month in Montreal, apparently with no plans to return. Benitez has attempted to build bridges with Hicks in the meantime, but now it seems that power at Anfield is about to be transferred to Dubai. (© The Times, London)
The Times' journalists are the only ones worth reading a lot of the time.
Where were all these protests when they first came in ? its not as if there wasnt enough evidence of what would happen just up the road , but instead they kissed ass
ah ok, i missed that point. :-[
would never read the indo myself but someone at work had the paper and i just spotted the article. anyway, just looked at the times online and exact same article there too...
In fairness AFR, they came in and said they were not following the Glazier model. Of course they turned around and did exactly that, but the most you could say is that the Liverpool fans were desperate for an infusion of money to the club, and totally naive. Then Hicks and Gillete did a complete second hand carsalesmans job on selling themselves, and it was music to our ears.
There is always the danger when you are desperate for a quick fix that you get stung, and that's what seems to have happened here. DIC seem to be much more cautious, which will be unpopular initially, but probably long term is far more stable.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 02:49:14 PM
In fairness AFR, they came in and said they were not following the Glazier model.
No they didnt, they came in and said that they wouldnt do what the glazers were doing wrt avoiding talking to the fans, They freely admitted that they were doing exactly what the glazers were doing money wise and that exactly the same model was used to buy weetabix.
Funny I didnt see many stars and stripes at anfield this year... :P
Initially they said they would not use the club to secure debt for the new stadium. They stuck to that line for a long time.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 02:54:35 PM
Initially they said they would not use the club to secure debt for the new stadium. They stuck to that line for a long time.
And they also said that they were using the fans money to buy the club for them!!
The guy was practically bragging about a couple of months in.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/championsleague200607/story/0,,2085147,00.html (http://football.guardian.co.uk/championsleague200607/story/0,,2085147,00.html)
Sorry? I don't understand that?
An Fear Rua.....Where are all the protests and burning of season tickets outside Salford Stadium, or does success make people forget?
dont understand what?
debt for a new stadium, is one piece of the club and the business model.
At the end of the day they borrowed a load of money, told everyone that they did it and that the punters would be paying back their loan for them, and everyone cheered.
Quote from: Minder on February 26, 2008, 03:03:36 PM
An Fear Rua.....Where are all the protests and burning of season tickets outside Salford Stadium, or does success make people forget?
come back when your ready to join in
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 26, 2008, 03:05:10 PM
dont understand what?
debt for a new stadium, is one piece of the club and the business model.
At the end of the day they borrowed a load of money, told everyone that they did it and that the punters would be paying back their loan for them, and everyone cheered.
You added in the link after I said I didn't understand. He made those comments in May, after they had taken over. I don't think anyone cheered then. That was the beginnings of the grumbling.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 26, 2008, 03:05:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 26, 2008, 03:03:36 PM
An Fear Rua.....Where are all the protests and burning of season tickets outside Salford Stadium, or does success make people forget?
come back when your ready to join in
If you are not willing to answer the question that is fine.
AZ,
do you honestly believe that the liverpools fans groups were not capable of getting the information up front on how the deal was to be financed?
The glazer model was well know even before the Magnier et al pulled out, and it was a well wore path for US Franchise investors/owners. Surely the gimps package at OT would have raised the slightest bit of curiosity or concern when Hicks and Gillette came in?
Either they didnt have the nous to look into or they didnt care......
Quote from: An Fear Rua on February 26, 2008, 03:13:30 PM
AZ,
do you honestly believe that the liverpools fans groups were not capable of getting the information up front on how the deal was to be financed?
The glazer model was well know even before the Magnier et al pulled out, and it was a well wore path for US Franchise investors/owners. Surely the gimps package at OT would have raised the slightest bit of curiosity or concern when Hicks and Gillette came in?
Either they didnt have the nous to look into or they didnt care......
I'd say the latter. We believed them, hook line and sinker. Incredible naivete in hindsight. But in fanzines there has always been a bit of this 'yeah but where is the money coming from?'. The rest of us said, 'Ssshhhhh, they are going to spend millions on players and a new stadium, and make us Champions again'. They made all the right noises publicly, and we bought it like a bunch of children. Mind you, it didn't take long for the major doubts to start setting in, for most of us anyway.
It's like looking back on when you believed in santy. :'(
Prepare to meet thy mecca
Which mecca?
This one?
(http://www.wsoccer.com/players/m/mc_manaman_steve/mcmanaman1.jpg)
Or this one?
(http://mog.com/pictures/artists/0000/0000/2905/pictures/83935.jpeg)
Well at least the reserves can beat United. Just caught some of it on Liverpool TV there, 2-0 to Liverpool with goals from Alonso (pen) and Kewell.
Kewell's goal came straight from a shocking decision to disallow a United equaliser in the last few minutes. A header from Simpson seemed to be well over the line, but the keeper kept his body between the linesman and the ball, and kept it in play.
Alonso, Skrtel, Agger and Kewell player for Liverpool, with Alonso and Kewell playing 90 minutes. Agger played the first half and Skrtel the second.
Nemeth was very good up front again for Liverpool , looks a bit like Torres in his appearance.
United had a very young team out, although Gary Neville did a bit at right back.
or this one:
(http://islamicdesigns.33host.com/pages/wallpaperimages/mecca.jpg)
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 09:26:58 PM
Well at least the reserves can beat United. Just caught some of it on Liverpool TV there, 2-0 to Liverpool with goals from Alonso (pen) and Kewell.
Kewell's goal came straight from a shocking decision to disallow a United equaliser in the last few minutes. A header from Simpson seemed to be well over the line, but the keeper kept his body between the linesman and the ball, and kept it in play.
Alonso, Skrtel, Agger and Kewell player for Liverpool, with Alonso and Kewell playing 90 minutes. Agger played the first half and Skrtel the second.
Nemeth was very good up front again for Liverpool , looks a bit like Torres in his appearance.
United had a very young team out, although Gary Neville did a bit at right back.
Did Neville play the whole match?
I didn't see him at the end, so I would think he got taken off. Probably just given a run out.
Hopefully hes not far off first team football!
He seemed to get a bit of a chasing from Harry Kewell, so I'd say he's a long way off being ready for the first team :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 09:57:39 PM
I didn't see him at the end, so I would think he got taken off. Probably just given a run out.
I often take our old and half blind sheepdog out for a walk and then let him run out about the fields at home...
More or less the same thing with Neville i would imagine ;)
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 09:57:39 PM
I didn't see him at the end, so I would think he got taken off. Probably just given a run out.
Maybe someone done a Neil Ruddock on him.
Quote from: stiffler on February 26, 2008, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 09:57:39 PM
I didn't see him at the end, so I would think he got taken off. Probably just given a run out.
Maybe someone done a Neil Ruddock on him.
I thought of that alright, but there was no mention in the commentary.
Nemeth seems to be a prospect, I wouldnt mind seeing him given a run out alongside torres later in the season.
What do yous think of Insua? is he the answer to the left back problems?
Good to see Agger back playing. Without Carragher playing at the weekend, the defence looked dodgy.
Quote from: stiffler on February 26, 2008, 10:18:21 PM
Nemeth seems to be a prospect, I wouldnt mind seeing him given a run out alongside torres later in the season.
What do yous think of Insua? is he the answer to the left back problems?
Good to see Agger back playing. Without Carragher playing at the weekend, the defence looked dodgy.
Saw plenty of him for the Argies U-20's last summer live in person - he was excellent. Should be given a run out
I like the look of Insua too. He would be well worth a blast at the first etam as I think he could save shd loads of money which could be used more productiveky elsewhere. If Rafa gets the chop what about Alan Hansen Mark II Ablett for manager? :P
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 26, 2008, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 09:57:39 PM
I didn't see him at the end, so I would think he got taken off. Probably just given a run out.
I often take our old and half blind sheepdog out for a walk and then let him run out about the fields at home...
More or less the same thing with Neville i would imagine ;)
How many league medals does your dog have?
Quote from: new devil on February 27, 2008, 07:57:32 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 26, 2008, 10:05:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 26, 2008, 09:57:39 PM
I didn't see him at the end, so I would think he got taken off. Probably just given a run out.
I often take our old and half blind sheepdog out for a walk and then let him run out about the fields at home...
More or less the same thing with Neville i would imagine ;)
How many league medals does your dog have?
He has won a dozen or more sheepdog trials in his time.How many dog trials has Neville won :D
Molby (named after the legend Jan ;D) is retired now though and is just a family pet
Here he is in his prime..
Im sure you'll agree he looks slicker than Neville ever did :D
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/Molby.jpg)
Hes a bit taller, thats for sure.
Quote from: Puckoon on February 27, 2008, 08:23:44 PM
Hes a bit taller, thats for sure.
:D
But they do have that little hairy chin and upper lip in common though ;D
does he hate scosers? :)
Does he hate scousers?
Whoops - beaten to the punch!
Do scousers hate him because of the pain he has inflected on them? :D :D
From BBC Website:
Gerrard reveals title frustration
We can't keep talking about next season all the time
Steven Gerrard
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard has aired his frustration over the side's continued failure to challenge for the Premier League title.
The Reds are 17 points behind leaders Arsenal and have a fight to take fourth place for a Champions League spot.
"I'm pretty gutted every time I look at the table and see the gap between us and Arsenal at the top," the 27-year-old told LFC magazine.
"I'm getting tired of saying the same thing over and over again."
Liverpool are still in the Champions League and hold a 2-0 lead over Inter Milan after the first leg of their last 16 tie.
But they have again flattered to deceive in their quest to land the title for the first time since 1990 and are currently fifth in the top flight.
"We believed we had the players to challenge for the title, and we wanted that one more than any other trophy available to us," said Gerrard.
"I still believe we have the squad to be a hell of a lot more competitive than we are right now."
Gerrard believes the side has progressed with the signings of Fernando Torres and Ryan Babel and has drawn hope from the example of Arsenal.
The Gunners finished fourth last season but have launched a strong title assault in the present campaign.
Liverpool have a difficult task on their hands to land the prized fourth spot with Everton, Aston Villa, Portsmouth and Manchester City all mounting serious challenges.
"In the position we find ourselves now, fourth is the least that is acceptable," said midfielder Gerrard. "But we have bigger ambitions than that.
"The only way we can fulfil those ambitions is in the Champions League.
I'm 27 now, I don't want to be talking about 'next season' for Liverpool when I'm 32
Steven Gerrard
"And I am not going to pretend that even winning that trophy - and we are a long way away from it at the moment - will make up for the disappointment of the league campaign."
He added: "We can't keep talking about next season all the time. There are only so many times you can say it and believe it.
"Sooner or later we have to make one season the season we make it happen and do the talking on the pitch.
"We need to make people believe it. I'm 27 now, I don't want to be talking about 'next season' for Liverpool when I'm 32.
"We've got the stadium, the fans, the manager and the players to compete for the Premier League.
"But we have no chance of doing that if we are always well out of it by the first week in January."
At least he's telling the truth.
I saw on Sky Sports News this morning, where they do the paper review, that one of Her Majesty's hacks tried to spin it that he was having a go at Rafa. Funny that he ommitted this part of the quote to keep the wheel turning....
"We've got the stadium, the fans, the manager and the players to compete for the Premier League.
Still, he writes for the same rag as Joe Lovejoy (The Express), who on sunday said that Liverpool's result on saturday wasn't very good for a team with their aspirations :-\
Yes that's right. A 3-2 home win in the league is now considered a 'not very good' result.
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 28, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
I saw on Sky Sports News this morning, where they do the paper review, that one of Her Majesty's hacks tried to spin it that he was having a go at Rafa. Funny that he ommitted this part of the quote to keep the wheel turning....
"We've got the stadium, the fans, the manager and the players to compete for the Premier League.
Still, he writes for the same rag as Joe Lovejoy (The Express), who on sunday said that Liverpool's result on saturday wasn't very good for a team with their aspirations :-\
Yes that's right. A 3-2 home win in the league is now considered a 'not very good' result.
Maybe he ment the performance more than the result. Liverpool were extremely lucky to get 3 points on Saturday. 2 goals were a gift, very easily could have been a defeat :-\.
QuoteStill, he writes for the same rag as Joe Lovejoy (The Express), who on sunday said that Liverpool's result on saturday wasn't very good for a team with their aspirations
In The Independent, on Sunday, the columnist postulated that no matter what Benitez won (as a manager) in Europe, he should still go if he couldn't win the Premiership. Little Englanders - how do they get to that frame of mind?
To be honest Billy, as a Liverpool fan, I think if Benitez doesn't win the league next year, and wins the CL this year and next, I think he should go as well.
So you're really saying that the CL is not the ultimate prize for any European soccer club, long-term or short-term? For me, there's no issue - the CL is far and away more important (in terms of growing revenue, building the club, attracting talent, 'branding' etc.) than the 'national' leagues.
Quote from: EC Unique on February 28, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
Maybe he ment the performance more than the result. Liverpool were extremely lucky to get 3 points on Saturday. 2 goals were a gift, very easily could have been a defeat :-\.
Yet if this was utd, chelsea or arsenal the report would have stated that its the sign of potential champions when you play badly and win ???
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 28, 2008, 12:27:59 PM
So you're really saying that the CL is not the ultimate prize for any European soccer club, long-term or short-term? For me, there's no issue - the CL is far and away more important (in terms of growing revenue, building the club, attracting talent, 'branding' etc.) than the 'national' leagues.
Without doubt, in commercial terms, and in growing the brand, the Champions League (misnomer and all) is the place to be.
However, I still believe Liverpool Football Club needs to get back to being the recognised best team in England first. Otherwise the CL victories are a tad hollow. Don't get me wrong, it's great to win, and I hope LFC wins it every year, and I wouldn't swap any we;ve won in the past for another League title, but for now, Liverpool need to win the Premiership, and win it a couple of times, very shortly.
If the Champion's League went back to being just for the Champions of each country, then I would place more value on it in sporting terms, because you have to be the best team in your league first, before taking on the other best teams. It used to take 2 years to win a European cup.
Just read that teh Mash deal is done, fee agreed and terms, simply the paperwork to sort.
It is s dilemma, the whole Rafa thing. I have been a supporter of him throughout and I still think he can be the man to bring them to the next level. I think he has to let go of some of his own control freak approach to the team and get the right number 2 in. Who that no.2 is I am not sure, but it must be someone who he and the players can trust and communicate with. I think the fallout from the Pako issue has meant that he does not trust easily as his trust was breached by Pako.
If there are to be new owners they must give him at least the year as there needs to be stability.
Billy, I know what you are trying to say, but the financial spin offs from winning the Premier League would be just as sweet as winning the CL. It rankles that Liverpool, the greatest of all English Clubs in terms of success, have not won it. At the minute I know how the Utd fans in school felt when we slagged the relentlessly about not winning the League. I didn't think that it would take this long :-[
QuoteI still believe Liverpool Football Club needs to get back to being the recognised best team in England first. Otherwise the CL victories are a tad hollow.
What have they done to you - revoke your Sky subscription immediately. :P
You can't be serious, seriously AZ - whatindanamajaysus use, other than a parochial sense of superiority, is putting a huge effort into or concentrating on winning the local league, at the expense of the important league. The Carling Cup and the FA Cup have become irrelevant - the Premiership is next on the chopping block, and it's not in Sky's (or other British media outlets') interests to admit or acknowledge that.
I'd disagee with you about the old Champions Cup, for the very reason you hail it - it took two years to win the bloody thing, so what happened was that the best teams (in real time) didn't necessarily compete for the title coming towards the closing stages of the competition. There is an elitism about the competition that has an unhealthy colour about it, but it's a formula that has merit, and has undoubtedly produced very memorable football in its history (something the Premiership would find difficult to claim). Rafa for Leeds! ;)
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 28, 2008, 12:27:59 PM
So you're really saying that the CL is not the ultimate prize for any European soccer club, long-term or short-term? For me, there's no issue - the CL is far and away more important (in terms of growing revenue, building the club, attracting talent, 'branding' etc.) than the 'national' leagues.
AGREED.
I think the Premier league is way overrated. Its a poor setup....basically what you have is about 2/3 top teams who've been running away with it a bit over the the past number of years...another 2/3 teams next to that who can play it out for fourth and then a lot of dirt..(ie those teams that either verge top half of league or relegation)...
a proper league should be where every feckin team is capable of competing to win something...i dunno what it is BOUT LIVERPOOL sometimes, whether they just take the foot off the gas on occassions....complacency...squad quality...opposing tactics...it can be annoying, but i'd never get too worked up about it cos its a sh1te quality league.
i've been enjoying liverpool performances in europe over the past few years and if they pick up an odd champions league trophy here and there...that has to be the way forward...competing among europes finest over knockout games...unbeatable when they focus on something like this....
i think that fa cup defeat also shows liverpools major failing / weakness at times and that's complaceny...there is absolutely no other reason a quality squad should struggle against lower league sides and when they slip up on occassions Rafa is always the first to get the abuse....he keeps them on their toes for europe, thats ok for me....
we could get a manager in who concentrates solely on league football and forgets europe, that could be a disaster !!! Keep it goin Rafa, your doing fine.
Carragher arrested on assault charge im hearing....
Billy, you are right about the PL being next for the chop, but it would be beneficial to win it before it goes ;D Put this in a more parochial sense. you would love Longford to win the AI, but I am sure you would like the local, parochial Leinster first!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 28, 2008, 12:41:18 PM
I think he has to let go of some of his own control freak approach to the team and get the right number 2 in. Who that no.2 is I am not sure, but it must be someone who he and the players can trust and communicate with. I think the fallout from the Pako issue has meant that he does not trust easily as his trust was breached by Pako.
Defo. When you think he also give Heighway the a highway so to speak and now also effectively runs the youth academy...well there's a touch of the Eddie O'Sullivans about it all.
Quoteyou would love Longford to win the AI, but I am sure you would like the local, parochial Leinster first!
Apples and Oranges Crossbar, Colmcille for the county championship would first always (the AI would naturally follow close after), but the club's not a county now, is it? All I'm saying is that the club should aim for the ultimate prize, and not get distracted by minor trinkets along the way (and certainly not punish the manager for doing the right thing).
Quote from: EC Unique on February 28, 2008, 12:09:14 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 28, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
I saw on Sky Sports News this morning, where they do the paper review, that one of Her Majesty's hacks tried to spin it that he was having a go at Rafa. Funny that he ommitted this part of the quote to keep the wheel turning....
"We've got the stadium, the fans, the manager and the players to compete for the Premier League.
Still, he writes for the same rag as Joe Lovejoy (The Express), who on sunday said that Liverpool's result on saturday wasn't very good for a team with their aspirations :-\
Yes that's right. A 3-2 home win in the league is now considered a 'not very good' result.
Maybe he ment the performance more than the result. Liverpool were extremely lucky to get 3 points on Saturday. 2 goals were a gift, very easily could have been a defeat :-\.
Whatever he mean't it was just an excuse to get the boot in.
See how the media creamed their pants on tuesday morning about Everton returning to 4th place in the league. They can't wait until Rafa is sacked and won't stop digging until it happens.
We now have a Liverpool fan on this board admitting that if they win the Champions League this year and next but don't win the league, then he will be calling for Rafa's head. Madness.
Remember how we laughed when Real Madrid sacked Del Bosque for not winning the Champions League even though they won their league?
That's the way we are going.
BC1, I don't know the full story as to why Pako left, you say that he betrayed Rafa's trust, what happened? I know you have said in earlier posts that Pako leaving has had a big effect on the season and I agree. I'd be very interested to hear the inside line if you have it.
QuoteWe now have a Liverpool fan on this board admitting that if they win the Champions League this year and next but don't win the league, then he will be calling for Rafa's head. Madness.
That was me, and believe me, I am not influenced by the media rubbish.
I just find it very, very frustrating that Rafa seems to have his priorities at complete opposites to mine. He plays Torres in a Carling Cup game, before resting him for the league??? He never gives a settled side a run out in the league, but always ensures the best team possible is playing in Europe.
I like Rafa, I think he is a good manager, but I really think he either doesn't know or doesn't care about what winning a Premiership would mean to the club. I am willing to bet you €100 that if you stood outside Anfield and polled the fans along the lines of.
Which would be the better return for you?
a) Finish 4th or 3rd in the Premiership this season and next, but win the CL both seasons or
b) Win the Premiership next season, but do not win the CL either season.
I would be willing to bet that at least 70% of the fans would say option b would be preferable.
Let's be honest, you do NOT have to be a good side to win the CL. Monaco, Porto and LFC in 2005 have shown that you can go a long way in that tournament with an average side, as long as they are hard to beat, and got a bit of luck. You have got to be a good, consistent side to win the Premiership.
By the way
QuoteRemember how we laughed when Real Madrid sacked Del Bosque for not winning the Champions League even though they won their league?
That's exactly the opposite of what I would like. I would still laugh at someone who sacked a league winning manager for not winning the CL. I think Chelsea were nuts to unsettle Mourinho, and I can't imagine Arsenal giving Wenger the old heave ho if he doesn't win the CL.
The league is your bread and butter. The CL is where the glamour and money are. Get a team fit to win the League, the rest will look after itself. But if you build, and mind a team, to win the CL, you will not be guaranteed coming near winning the League.
70%???? Did you poll some of the away supporters ;D
I'd put it at 99.9% with the .1% been Rafa if you caught him on his way to dressing room.
I did say 'At least' :D
This is what An Fear Rua was on about. Seems fairly harmless really. Probably an Evertonian bit off more than Carra would let him chew :D
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Liverpool defender Jamie Carrgher has been arrested and cautioned for common assault after an incident occurred on Tuesday morning.
The former England international was questioned on Wednesday about a roadside bust up with a man near his Crosby home on Tuesday morning.
The 30-year-old had been on his way to training at the club's Melwood ground at the time.
The assault was reported to Merseyside Police by a witness who saw the Bootle-born player arguing with the man.
Later that day the apparent victim reported Liverpool's vice captain to officers who arranged an appointment to interview Carragher.
He was formally interviewed and accepted his caution.
Accepting a caution is an admission of guilt in the eyes of the law.
Common assault is the lowest form of assault and can include anything from spitting to shoving.
A Merseyside Police spokesman said: "We can confirm that a 30-year-old man from the Blundellsands area received a police caution for common assault in relation to an incident on Liverpool Road, Crosby, on Tuesday February 26."
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2008, 02:38:56 PM
QuoteWe now have a Liverpool fan on this board admitting that if they win the Champions League this year and next but don't win the league, then he will be calling for Rafa's head. Madness.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2008, 02:38:56 PM
That was me, and believe me, I am not influenced by the media rubbish.
Quote
Fair enough. What you said sounds like something you would hear on 606.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2008, 02:38:56 PM
I just find it very, very frustrating that Rafa seems to have his priorities at complete opposites to mine. He plays Torres in a Carling Cup game, before resting him for the league??? He never gives a settled side a run out in the league, but always ensures the best team possible is playing in Europe.
Quote
In agreement here. I think this drives all Liverpool fans mad.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2008, 02:38:56 PM
I like Rafa, I think he is a good manager, but I really think he either doesn't know or doesn't care about what winning a Premiership would mean to the club. I am willing to bet you €100 that if you stood outside Anfield and polled the fans along the lines of.
Which would be the better return for you?
a) Finish 4th or 3rd in the Premiership this season and next, but win the CL both seasons or
b) Win the Premiership next season, but do not win the CL either season.
I would be willing to bet that at least 70% of the fans would say option b would be preferable.
Quote
I'd take either and certainly wouldn't sack a manager who had just won his 3rd Champions League in 5 years which is what you said you would do.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2008, 02:38:56 PM
Let's be honest, you do NOT have to be a good side to win the CL. Monaco, Porto and LFC in 2005 have shown that you can go a long way in that tournament with an average side, as long as they are hard to beat, and got a bit of luck. You have got to be a good, consistent side to win the Premiership.
Quote
I would say you do have to be a good side to win the Champions League. You don't have to be the best side to win it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2008, 02:38:56 PM
By the way
QuoteRemember how we laughed when Real Madrid sacked Del Bosque for not winning the Champions League even though they won their league?
That's exactly the opposite of what I would like. I would still laugh at someone who sacked a league winning manager for not winning the CL. I think Chelsea were nuts to unsettle Mourinho, and I can't imagine Arsenal giving Wenger the old heave ho if he doesn't win the CL.
The league is your bread and butter. The CL is where the glamour and money are. Get a team fit to win the League, the rest will look after itself. But if you build, and mind a team, to win the CL, you will not be guaranteed coming near winning the League.
You missed my point. It is the idea of sacking a successful manager to me is ludicrous whether he has won the League or Champions League.
Apologies how my last post has appeared. Hope it's not too hard to follow AZ.
QuoteThis is what An Fear Rua was on about. Seems fairly harmless really. Probably an Evertonian bit off more than Carra would let him chew
AZ - can you imagine if, say, it was Gary Neville or Roy Keane who did something like this? Mightn't be as
harmless then! You'd have the usual loonies with all sorts of accusations!
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 28, 2008, 05:32:57 PM
QuoteThis is what An Fear Rua was on about. Seems fairly harmless really. Probably an Evertonian bit off more than Carra would let him chew
AZ - can you imagine if, say, it was Gary Neville or Roy Keane who did something like this? Mightn't be as harmless then! You'd have the usual loonies with all sorts of accusations!
Well Andrew Cole was up to a bit of harmless fun at the weekend and no loonies here passed any judgement then. Maybe we are getting soft towards players nowadays ;D
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 28, 2008, 05:32:57 PM
QuoteThis is what An Fear Rua was on about. Seems fairly harmless really. Probably an Evertonian bit off more than Carra would let him chew
AZ - can you imagine if, say, it was Gary Neville or Roy Keane who did something like this? Mightn't be as harmless then! You'd have the usual loonies with all sorts of accusations!
It would still
be harmless Seanie. Whether or not the usual 'loonies' would treat it as such is another matter :D
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 28, 2008, 04:50:28 PM
Apologies how my last post has appeared. Hope it's not too hard to follow AZ.
I followed it alright Chris, and I don't think we are in disagreement over much. Obviously I would disagree with you in that I still think that LFC winning a Premiership far outweighs another couple of CLs at the moment. My brief to Rafa now, if he cared :D, would be 'Win the premiership, the rest is gravy'.
If he can't do that, or still looks as far away in 2 years as he is now, well then yes, I would ask him to leave.
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 28, 2008, 06:07:27 PM
Obviously I would disagree with you in that I still think that LFC winning a Premiership far outweighs another couple of CLs at the moment. My brief to Rafa now, if he cared :D, would be 'Win the premiership, the rest is gravy'.
If he can't do that, or still looks as far away in 2 years as he is now, well then yes, I would ask him to leave.
I totally agree with AZ, that LFC winning the PL far outweighs the CL, but not because 1 competition is better or gives more financial reward than the other. They are the 2 elite competitions but the fact is Liverpool have never won the PL and havent been champions in England for 18 years. Thats the single reason why it is far more important to win the PL. If you ask Fergie/Wenger/Grant, what competition they would prefer to win this year, I'd bet they'd all say the CL, simply because all 3 clubs have tasted PL success in recent years and they know they have strong chances of getting further PL titles in the coming years. The CL, on the other hand has eluded them all, apart from utd's title way back in '99.
Regarding the question about Rafa's future. He needs big money to buy 2-3 more high profile players - of the torres class. Then he needs to prove he can be competitive in the PL. But he also needs time, look how long it took united to win the title under ferguson!! It's no coincidence that the most decorated clubs in the PL are the two with the longest serving managers. Unfortunately, with the pressure at LFC and the fans demands for PL success, he mightnt be afforded the time he needs. But before sacking rafa, you need to have a good man to step into his place - who will that be??
QuotePremier League - Hicks: I have veto over Gillett
Tom Hicks claimed he has the power to block any attempt by Liverpool co-owner George Gillett to sell his half of the club.
Hicks 'committed' to Liverpool
Hicks this week insisted he had no intention of parting with his own 50% stake at Anfield, despite renewed interest from Dubai International Capital.
It is believed American businessmen Hicks and Gillett have suffered a breakdown in their relationship and DIC, the investment arm of the Maktoum royal family, remain determined to secure a controlling interest in Liverpool.
With Hicks refusing to budge, publicly at least, DIC are considering making a bid for Gillett's stake.
But Hicks told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram: "Not only am I not going to sell, my partner cannot sell without my approval.
"So, I kind of have the ability to determine the outcome of what is going to happen, and I am right in the middle of that."
DIC are only interested in buying Gillett's shares if they can gain control of Liverpool, which would involve Hicks selling at least part of his stake.
"For a lot of reasons I can't discuss, I haven't been able to fix it yet," Hicks said of the club's ownership.
"But I am preparing to be in a position to fix it."
Does this arrogant fecker seem to get more odious as this whole thing trundles on? >:(
He is more or less saying that he can call all the shots as he has the veto. Now I know that he has first option on Gilletts shares but surly he should realise when he is not wanted and get the fcuk out of there!
As I much as I dislike Hicks I can't help but partially admire his willingness to try and fight it out while Gillet has no be heard or seen in a long time.
Javier Mascherano today signed a permanent deal at Anfield and admitted: "This is the best moment in my career."
The Argentine international has put pen to paper on a four year contract with the Reds, bringing to an end one of the longest transfer sagas in recent years.
"I am very, very happy and now I can concentrate just on playing football," Mascherano told Liverpoolfc.tv.
"I said all along that I wanted to stay at Liverpool and now that I have signed I can say this is the best and the biggest moment in my career so far.
"From the first day I arrived at Liverpool the feeling was good and I knew this was where I wanted to play my football. It's good news for me and my family that everything is sorted and I know where my future is going to be. I just want to do my best for the fans and the people of the club.
"I am at a top side and I know I can win titles here. That's the big thing for me. I want to be at a club where we can win trophies and have success."
Manager Rafael Benitez was just as delighted to secure the services of the 23 year old midfielder.
"We must be really pleased with the situation now," said the boss. "He has been a key player for us since he has been here and now we know he can be a key player in our future.
"From the start we knew Javier was a player with quality and a fantastic mentality. We knew the player when he was in the reserves at River Plate but was playing for the senior national team and we had been monitoring his career since then.
"He is young but he has great experience having played for his country. We knew he would be a good signing for us.
"It's clear that he is one of the best midfielders in the world but he can get better with us. We now have a lot of good options in the centre of midfield and that's good news for the club."
Chief Executive Rick Parry, who worked painstakingly to finalise the deal, added: "Our overriding thought is that we are delighted to have signed a world class player on a long contract and I know Javier is thrilled too because he was keen to have his long term future resolved.
"I think this signing demonstrates two things. Firstly, that life at the club goes on despite all of the speculation to the contrary.
"And secondly it demonstrates in very large measure the ongoing commitment of the owners who once again have come good when funds have been needed."
Good news about Mascho.
Re Hicks: What exactly is it that he's done wrong, apart from having a chat with Kilnsmann?
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Carragher, Aurelio, Skrtel, Hyypia, Mascherano, Gerrard, Alonso, Babel, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Martin, Riise, Benayoun, Crouch, Arbeloa.
Still persisting with Kuyt ???
1 nil Jasskalinin OG :D
Quote from: stiffler on March 02, 2008, 01:43:27 PM
1 nil Jasskalinin OG :D
Top quality OG, dive for a ball that isn't going in and then head it back into your own net. ;D
we can still catch arsenal and united,if we keep this up we could be out of sight by easter
3 pts closer to the title,another very professional display
Quote from: SammyG on March 02, 2008, 01:45:01 PM
Quote from: stiffler on March 02, 2008, 01:43:27 PM
1 nil Jasskalinin OG :D
Top quality OG, dive for a ball that isn't going in and then head it back into your own net. ;D
and to get that amount of spin on the ball!!!
Great show from Babel today, more of the same would be fantastic. Mascherano does some serious work and his distribution seems to be improving. Not a great game and we looked shaky at setpieces but moving in the right direction
Very impresed with Babel yesterday, lets hope he can reproduce that form for the rest of the season
Sky Sports News understands Dubai International Capital (DIC) has made a £400million bid for Liverpool.
DIC, the private equity investment arm of the Dubai Government, has recently confirmed they are in talks with current Liverpool owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks.
However it is now understood that DIC has made a lucrative offer to the American duo and that they expect a response by the end of Tuesday.
I see on sky sports a deal of £400 million is on the table from DIC and may go through today!! :o £25 million profit each for the yanks.. Nice one!!
I doubt if their first offer will be accepted.
What do we know about DIC? I've heard they are much more long term in their vision, so I doubt there'll be a big war chest immediately.
Do they like Rafa? How will they finance the new stadium (really)?
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 04, 2008, 11:16:13 AM
I doubt if their first offer will be accepted.
What do we know about DIC? I've heard they are much more long term in their vision, so I doubt there'll be a big war chest immediately.
Do they like Rafa? How will they finance the new stadium (really)?
Exactly, we don't know much about them at all. What are there plans etc etc?
At least the fella who is behind the bid is a Liverpool fan I suppose
Reds owners get Dubai ultimatum
Gillett (left) and Hicks have become unpopular among Liverpool fans
Liverpool's owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks have 24 hours to accept an offer from Dubai International Capital to buy the club, BBC Sport understands.
Government-run Dubai investment fund DIC have been in talks to buy the Reds.
"I'm told the offer from DIC is £400m," said BBC Radio 5 Live football correspondent Jonathan Legard.
"Mindful of how they were passed over 12 months ago with a previous offer, DIC want an answer fast as I understand the situation."
He added: "That means George Gillett and Tom Hicks have, according to one source close to the talks, 24 hours to take this offer or leave it.
"DIC's frustration with Liverpool's owners has become abundantly clear."
DIC confirmed on Tuesday it had been in talks with American duo Hicks and Gillett about purchasing a stake in the Anfield club.
606: DEBATE
What do you make of the situation?
"It's no secret that we have been in discussions with the current owners," said DIC chief executive Sameer al-Ansari.
"It's not easy because (they) are in dreamland about valuations."
Al-Ansari later clarified that one of the club's owners "had come out of dreamland", without giving further details.
Texan billionaire Hicks said last month he was not planning to sell a stake in Liverpool, denying media speculation he was in talks with DIC over a sale.
He also revealed that Gillett could not sell his stake in the Premier League club without his approval.
However, both Hicks and Gillett have become increasingly unpopular among Reds fans, drawing criticism for their treatment of manager Rafael Benitez and their financial management of the club.
That has given fresh hope to DIC, who were considering buying Liverpool before the Americans joined forces to complete their own takeover in February 2007.
Hicks said in January he had talked to DIC "once" about a 10-15% stake, but DIC said the valuation was too high.
DIC are thought to want a controlling stake at Anfield, meaning they would need to convince Hicks to relinquish part of his 50% of the club as well as buying out Gillett.
Another obstacle is the refinancing package announced on 25 January that has loaded £105m of debt on to the club.
Of that, £60m is earmarked to kick-start the new stadium development at Stanley Park plus £45m for future player transfers and to meet the club's working capital needs.
DIC, which manages about £6.5bn of assets, is owned by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, the ruler of Dubai.
Al-Ansari was the man behind the takeover bid a year ago and looked to have succeeded until then Liverpool owner David Moores suddenly opted to sell to the Americans.
"It took me two weeks to get over that," said al-Ansari, who is a Liverpool fan. "But it didn't dent my passion - I still go to every match when I'm here."
Fingers crossed! They can't be worse than the present crowd. AZ may have a point though. We need more info on their plans before jumping straight into bed with them. It could be out of the flying pan into the fire.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7276383.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7276383.stm)
There was a good rundown on the 'Supporter Trust' idea in the Kop this week. It sounds noble but open to instability in fairness. That movement may die a death if the DIC bid is serious though.
Couple of questions for you scouse heads -
why are liverpool not playing their CL second leg this week?
what exactly have the american owners done to incur your wrath? have they not bankrolled rafa sufficiently? why is everyone keen to welcome DIC?
Quote from: Uladh on March 04, 2008, 12:01:29 PM
why are liverpool not playing their CL second leg this week?
Because Milan are playing Arsenal at the San Siro tonight
Ah right.
are all the other second legs tonight and if so could liverpool's not have been played tomorrow night?
disclaimer - sorry, i've been out of touch for a few weeks!
Quote from: Uladh on March 04, 2008, 12:01:29 PM
what exactly have the american owners done to incur your wrath? have they not bankrolled rafa sufficiently? why is everyone keen to welcome DIC?
No. Too much to go into now, but a brief summary would be he was forced to sell to buy and the yanks still made a profit into the bargain, without having spent a single penny of their own money. Nice work if you can get it.
Uladh, it has to do with the Regulations in regards to away teams being allowed a run out on the 24 hours before the game I think.
Quote from: Uladh on March 04, 2008, 12:01:29 PM
what exactly have the american owners done to incur your wrath? have they not bankrolled rafa sufficiently? why is everyone keen to welcome DIC?
Uladh, my main gripes with the yanks are as follows:
- Their complete lack of respect towards Rafa. They were tapping up Klinsmann as a possible replacement as soon we had a dip in form.
- They promised alot in finances but delivered little. People will point to torres, Babel, etc as big spending but yet again we had to sell players before getting these funds - Bellamy, Luis Garcia, Cisse & others. It's far from the big war chest that was promised.
- The club has being dragged through the gutters in relation to the off field activity. It's no coincidence that this has happened under the reign of the arrogant, loud mouthed yanks.
To be honest, I dont know alot about DIC. And with the relationship starting to settle between rafa & the yanks, Im wondering if selling to the arabs would be a good move. If the yanks could shut up, let rafa get on with his job & just write checks whenever required then I'd be happy enough with them. The recent Skyrtel & Masch deals were much appreciated, more of the same please.
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 04, 2008, 01:01:41 PM
- The club has being dragged through the gutters in relation to the off field activity. It's no coincidence that this has happened under the reign of the arrogant, loud mouthed yanks.
ah come on, you can't believe that?
Yes, of I course I believe that. Who are you blaming - Rafa??
Im fairly sure that if we had sold to somebody like the Man City owner or even DIC, there wouldnt have been half the dung in the media that we've seen over the last 5 months. A little bit of discretion isnt much to ask for.
As i said, let the yanks shut up & allow rafa get on with his job.
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 04, 2008, 02:54:04 PM
Yes, of I course I believe that. Who are you blaming - Rafa??
Im fairly sure that if we had sold to somebody like the Man City owner or even DIC, there wouldnt have been half the dung in the media that we've seen over the last 5 months. A little bit of discretion isnt much to ask for.
As i said, let the yanks shut up & allow rafa get on with his job.
I actually believe the stories around the manager's position are personal against him rather than professional. Maybe because he gives the same stock answers to questions and gives very little away? I dont know, but there is definately something in that. The only Journo I know who consistently sticks by him is Guillem Ballague (sp?) and thats because he's a mate.
On Sky's Sunday supplement Tony Evans of The Times, who I believe is a Liverpool fan, was calling for Rafa to be sacked saying he hadn't improved the team, has had enough time etc. Then, in the same breath complimented Bill Kenwright for sticking by David Moyes, when he could easily have sacked him last season for poor performances in the league!! He kept a straight face too.
At least the captain said in an interview yesterday (on LFC TV) that he was fed up with the press twisting his words to fit their agenda. Don't think that will make the papers somehow.
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 04, 2008, 03:07:35 PM
I actually believe the stories around the manager's position are personal against him rather than professional. Maybe because he gives the same stock answers to questions and gives very little away? I dont know, but there is definately something in that. The only Journo I know who consistently sticks by him is Guillem Ballague (sp?) and thats because he's a mate.
Probably right. I think the journos have been looking for something else to fill their papers ever since jose left. And my point is that Hicks, in particular, has given the media all the ammunition they need to slate both Rafa & the club.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N159067080305-1910.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N159067080305-1910.htm)
QuoteFernando Torres starts for Liverpool against West Ham tonight despite media reports of a stomach bug.
Meanwhile, Martin Skrtel partners Jamie Carragher at centre-back as Sami Hyypia drops to the bench.
The Liverpool team in full is: Reina, Carragher, Skrtel, Arbeloa, Riise, Mascherano, Alonso, Kuyt, Gerrard, Babel, Torres. Subs: Itandje, Pennant, Crouch, Benayoun, Hyypia.
anyone have a world wide interweb link for the match?
QuoteIm fairly sure that if we had sold to somebody like the Man City owner
I'm delighted we are not associated with Shinawatra. At least the Yanks are just cut throat capitalists. Shinawatra has serious questions to answer regarding his time in Thailand.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 05, 2008, 07:42:25 PM
I'm delighted we are not associated with Shinawatra. At least the Yanks are just cut throat capitalists. Shinawatra has serious questions to answer regarding his time in Thailand.
as am I AZ, im just making the point that the yanks have ensured we've rarely been out of the headlines and most of the time, it hasnt been good PR. They could take a leaf out of Shinawatra's book in that regard.
1 nil
O'Torraigh
Commentary is on 5 live sports extra
here's the goal
http://www.4shared.com/file/39898958/12674f4e/1-0_Torres.html
the link isn't working
watchin on sopcast. 1-0 HT. totally dominant but need the important 2nd to seal it. is that the 17th PL goal for el nino???
16 I believe
try this link
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/KPSY5R6DQH8FCJ3K
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 05, 2008, 08:51:36 PM
watchin on sopcast. 1-0 HT. totally dominant but need the important 2nd to seal it. is that the 17th PL goal for el nino???
Are you watching the game live as its not on tv?? What is this sopcast??? Please advise how i should get this messiah of a link!!!
Google for Sopcast
Download the software
go here
http://www.myp2p.eu/index.php?part=sports
:D
Its live on Setanta Broadband in the US. Do Setanta not have it over there?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 05, 2008, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 05, 2008, 08:51:36 PM
watchin on sopcast. 1-0 HT. totally dominant but need the important 2nd to seal it. is that the 17th PL goal for el nino???
Are you watching the game live as its not on tv?? What is this sopcast??? Please advise how i should get this messiah of a link!!!
yep, watcin widescreen on the laptop while the missus is watchin muck on the tv. you cant beat it. download the software from www.sopcast.org
Real Madrid as good as out lads. Roma have just scored after Madrid went down to 10 men. 15 minutes left, Madrid 0 - 1 Roma, Roma 1-3 up on aggregate. Another Dunphy 'great team' hits the shits.
Ooops. Spoke too soon. Raul equalised. 1-1 on the night. Can Madrid force extra time?
I just turned that madrid game over to the liverpool one and they score two goals. :(
2-0
Lovely play from Kuyt to set up Torres (again) for a simple header.
Ack FFS I just switched the liverpool game over to the madrid one. :D
should have been 3
torres almost with the hat trick. super ball from gerard, header from torres off post. keeper didnt even move.
And from our European correspondents..
Sin mar a bhfuil é. Vucinic with Roma's second, in injury time. 1-2 on the night 2-4 on aggregate.
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 05, 2008, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 05, 2008, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 05, 2008, 08:51:36 PM
watchin on sopcast. 1-0 HT. totally dominant but need the important 2nd to seal it. is that the 17th PL goal for el nino???
Are you watching the game live as its not on tv?? What is this sopcast??? Please advise how i should get this messiah of a link!!!
yep, watcin widescreen on the laptop while the missus is watchin muck on the tv. you cant beat it. download the software from www.sopcast.org
Which one do you choose Steveo when wishing to download?? Is it the 'Free Live Channels' or 'Free P2P broadcasting' or 'Sopcast embedded' or simply the latest version sopcast 2.0.4??
the boy is good
http://www.4shared.com/file/39905914/4b9baf68/2-0_Torres.html
there's his 3rd
Gabe, can you post a link to the Porto goal? Apparently it was quite the finish.
4 nil Gerrard
For those of us based on this side of the Atlantic, the highlights are on Sky Sports 2 at 10.30, and LFC TV at 00.30 (full coverage).
Performances like this would make you tear your hair out. 9 points out of 9 in the last 3 league games. Inter beaten 2-0 at home. Where the f*ck were these lads in December/January/February?
Great work getting those links up Gab, keep up the good work...El Nino on fire at the minute!!!! How are Liverpooli performing generally Gab?
Here Niall
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/JP1DLZ5KSLD9P8RB
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 05, 2008, 09:48:31 PM
For those of us based on this side of the Atlantic, the highlights are on Sky Sports 2 at 10.30, and LFC TV at 00.30 (full coverage).
Performances like this would make you tear your hair out. 9 points out of 9 in the last 3 league games. Inter beaten 2-0 at home. Where the f*ck were these lads in December/January/February?
Great performance tonight, but as you say, what the hell were they at for those 3 months?!!
It is worrisome that they're still so dependent on Torres though.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 05, 2008, 09:37:20 PM
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Which one do you choose Steveo when wishing to download?? Is it the 'Free Live Channels' or 'Free P2P broadcasting' or 'Sopcast embedded' or simply the latest version sopcast 2.0.4??
DirtyDozen, download & install the latest version sopcast. Then when you open the application, click on live tv channels. You'll see a list of channels with descriptions. Only downside is that it seems to be approx 5mins behind real time and somtimes freezes. But it's still damn good. let me know if you need any help.
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 05, 2008, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 05, 2008, 09:37:20 PM
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Which one do you choose Steveo when wishing to download?? Is it the 'Free Live Channels' or 'Free P2P broadcasting' or 'Sopcast embedded' or simply the latest version sopcast 2.0.4??
DirtyDozen, download & install the latest version sopcast. Then when you open the application, click on live tv channels. You'll see a list of channels with descriptions. Only downside is that it seems to be approx 5mins behind real time and somtimes freezes. But it's still damn good. let me know if you need any help.
Cheers mate, as you say when the women are hogging the tv watching muck we can still enjoythe footie on our laps!!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 05, 2008, 09:53:00 PM
Here Niall
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/JP1DLZ5KSLD9P8RB
Thanks Gabe.
Feck me Torres is something else - brilliant finishing tonight.
The quality of the streams in all those programmes tends to vary from day to day. As well as Sopcast, I'd download PPMate or PPLive or one or two others. You'll be able to try a couple of them to see which is running the best.
His 3rd was the best
http://www.4shared.com/file/39907850/83510cc9/3-0_Torres.html
Quote from: J70 on March 05, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
The quality of the streams in all those programmes tends to vary from day to day. As well as Sopcast, I'd download PPMate or PPLive or one or two others. You'll be able to try a couple of them to see which is running the best.
thanks for the tip J70. will try that. and yeah, sometimes the stream can be poor and you end up wanting to throw the laptop through the window. thankfully, the stream was good tonight and i got to see some quality goals.
Gerrard
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/QJBXFVM81YL648YX
Torres is the best striker in the world at the minute........
Babel starting to show some form,About time too
Good performance tonight,The team should remain settled now until the end of the season..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 05, 2008, 11:16:34 PM
Babel starting to show some form,About time too
Good performance tonight,The team should remain settled now until the end of the season..
in fairness for a young lad in his first season, i think he's played alright.
I think rafa will keep a settled enough team for the remainder of the season. But he'll still mix it, depending on the opposition - the likes of benny, penant, lucas, aurelio & crouch will all have parts to play. the crucial period will be at the end of the month when we have utd, everton & arsenal & maybe a CL q-final in 14days.
I think Babbel has been inconsistent, but has shown flashes. I still prefer him to Kew-ill. As a young lad, he has time to develop, but he has to be given games.
I note Rafa has adopted my 4-5-1 formation BC1 :D
More a 4-2-3-1, or 4-3-2-1. Who really gives a fcuk if they keep playing well ;D Great result, but lets not get over excited and cum in our trousers. Still only 4th in the league and have a tight away fixture in the CL. As Stevo said potentially tough games over a two week period could break the season as much as make it.
As regards Babel, I have said it from the very start and will continue to say it he will be a star! I see him as a serious player and when he gets a bit of consistency he will be top class. As for El Nino, what odds on a Liverpool striker ending up topof the Premier Legaue Charts this year. 3 behind Ronaldo at the top so it may happen. It would be something in his first season and more than we could have hoped for.
Quote from: Minder on March 05, 2008, 10:59:10 PM
Torres is the best striker in the world at the minute........
Now lets not get carried away :D :D :D :D
Liverpool seemed to have turned a corner lately. Can they maintain it? Are 2 goals enough to get them into next round of CL. It will be an exciting next few games for the scousers...
QuoteGreat result, but lets not get over excited and cum in our trousers.
Lovely :o
I don't think there is any danger of getting carried away. My overriding emotion is of frustration. The results and displays over the past two weeks are the sort of week-in week-out performances we should be seeing all the time.
Inconsistency is the most sickening thing.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 06, 2008, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 05, 2008, 10:59:10 PM
Torres is the best striker in the world at the minute........
Now lets not get carried away :D :D :D :D
Liverpool seemed to have turned a corner lately. Can they maintain it? Are 2 goals enough to get them into next round of CL. It will be an exciting next few games for the scousers...
Torres is certainly playing well at the moment, and there is a dearth of out and out strikers in world football at the moment, in the old #9 mould, like Drogba and Adabeyor.
Anyway, I hate that phrase I bolded above, remember the latter days of Houllier? We were turning so many corners we were going around in circles.
Lads the frustrating thing is how many times have we been here before? Underperforming in the middle part of the season and realistically eliminating ourselves from the title race only to make a late season surge when it does not really matter. It seems to be part of some of our players makeup. As for Torres, what makes it more impressive is (correct me if im wrong) all his goals have been from open play.
Quote from: Minder on March 06, 2008, 09:40:46 AM
Lads the frustrating thing is how many times have we been here before? Underperforming in the middle part of the season and realistically eliminating ourselves from the title race only to make a late season surge when it does not really matter. It seems to be part of some of our players makeup. As for Torres, what makes it more impressive is (correct me if im wrong) all his goals have been from open play.
100% Minder.
Mind you, I don't think it's in the players 'make up' as such. I think it stems from the rotation policy. One of the benefits of rotation is that players are fresh at the end of the season, and in good condition for a tilt at the CL. The bad thing is that we don't have the players to afford ourselves that luxury, and as a result of 'resting' players or making a large amount of changes, LFC drop points and go through a bad phase.
It's another reason why I think Rafa just doesn't 'get' the Premiership fixation.
I wouldn't mind giving a lad a rest, if the other 10 were the same, or bringing lads off early if the game is won, but large amounts of changes, coupled with facing teams who have 'bedded in' to their seasons, is a recipe for stupid dropped points, frustration, lack of confidence, stop-start seasons and no title challenge.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 06, 2008, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 05, 2008, 10:59:10 PM
Torres is the best striker in the world at the minute........
Now lets not get carried away :D :D :D :D
Who is then?
In fairness to rafa (not words lightly typed), he said consistently in the early part of the season that his rotation policy is aimed at being operating on full power from this part of the season to the end. the first part of the gamble obviously was to be within striking distance of the top of the league at this point, which has failed. the second part was to get through the CL group, which has obviously come off. The pool could once again be serious CL contenders for that reason
I definitely expect Liverpool to progress and 2 goals of a cushion is a very adequate .
I didn't rate Inter Milan as potential winners before the Anfield match, and i certainly don't foresee them knocking Liverpool out.
In fact, i believe the tie is perfectly set up for Liverpool to replicate Arsenal's feat and actually win on the night in the San Siro.
Inter are under pressure from the word go on this one, and are going to be tempted to push bodies forward in search of goals.
This will definitely leave gaps for the likes of Gerrard, and pacy players such as Babel and Torres, to hit on the break and finish Inter's chances.
Expect Liverpool to complete an English quartet in the Quarter Finals.
1 champions league goal in how many games - 15 or 16?
Not best in the world material...
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 06, 2008, 11:47:46 AM
1 champions league goal in how many games - 15 or 16?
Not best in the world material...
How do you work that one out...15 or 16 games? ???
He has actually started 5
I think that's in relation to Adebeyor.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 06, 2008, 11:47:46 AM
1 champions league goal in how many games - 15 or 16?
Not best in the world material...
I did not say he was.. I just said I would rate him higher than Torres. ;)
There are better strikers in the premiership without having to look on the world front..
Don't get me wrong though. He is a great talent and Liverpool would be fooked without his services.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 06, 2008, 11:56:17 AM
I think that's in relation to Adebeyor.
Oh right my mistake.
Adebeyor is having a great season but I admit in bias view it would be El Nino everytime
QuoteI would rate Adebayor higher.
are you having a laugh??? Not in the same league as torres. If liverpool has the same play makers or creative midfielders as arsenal, torres would be running away in the top goal scorer charts. Torres is definitely the best striker in the PL at the mo and possibly the best in the world.
Did anyone watch the highlights last night? Th co-commentator, was it Barry Horne or whatever you call him? As bitter as I have heard. Liverpool played useless but 4-0 was a fair reflection?? WTF.
Difference between Adebayor and Torres is that Torres can and will make it happen himself whereas I think Adebayor needs someone else to make it happen. Still an excellent player no doubt but he has Hleb, Rosicky, Fabregas etc whereas Torres just doesn't have support of that calibre(Gerrard aside).
The only striker in the same league I would say is Drogba. Perhaps Anelka at a push but don't think he's at that level.
Was also very impressed with Skrtel last night. it's too early to judge just yet, and we'll need to see him against much higher quality opponents, but i think he'll turn out to be an excellent signing.
The end in sight?
QuoteA DEAL for Dubai International Capital to buy George Gillett's Liverpool stake is imminent, it has been claimed.
Sources close to DIC today revealed Tom Hicks is ready to drop his resistance to George Gillett selling his stake in Liverpool Football Club to DIC.
An offer from DIC for Gillett's shares remains on the table and should the American accept he would walk away from Anfield with a profit of around £40m.
Gillett is believed to want more and DIC remain insistent they will not be raising their offer but with talks still going on between the two parties it is thought a deal could be reached within days.
Hicks' reluctance to enter into any sort of partnership with DIC is well known and on several occasions he has spoken of his willingness to use a veto to block any such deal.
But he has been in touch with DIC in the last 24 hours to tell them he will not stand in their way if they can agree a price with Gillett. He has also told DIC he is willing to enter into talks with them at the earliest possible opportunity to discuss the future of the club.
DIC's growing confidence that a deal can and will be done saw them dispatch a representative to Anfield for last night's Premier League game against West Ham.
The representative met with members of various fans group in a bid to gauge their opinion about the club and the best way forward for it.
He also witnessed first hand the latest protest by fans against the current owners with a demonstration which lasted the full 15 minutes of the half-time interval.
The Spirit of Shankly has already indicated it is ready to offer DIC a cautious welcome and would be prepared to enter into a dialogue with them.
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 06, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
QuoteI would rate Adebayor higher.
are you having a laugh??? Not in the same league as torres. If liverpool has the same play makers or creative midfielders as arsenal, torres would be running away in the top goal scorer charts. Torres is definitely the best striker in the PL at the mo and possibly the best in the world.
I think you need to get those tinted glasses off. He scores two hat-tricks in 2 weeks against shocking defence and all of a sudden he is the best striker in the world. Calm down and give him time to prove himself against decent defences and then we can talk. I am sure he will though. As I said he is a quality striker and as someone else said he can create chances with little or no help from the very average players around him but not the best in the premiership never mind the world..... Yet. ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on March 06, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
I think you need to get those tinted glasses off. He scores two hat-tricks in 2 weeks against shocking defence and all of a sudden he is the best striker in the world. Calm down and give him time to prove himself against decent defences and then we can talk. I am sure he will though. As I said he is a quality striker and as someone else said he can create chances with little or no help from the very average players around him but not the best in the premiership never mind the world..... Yet. ;)
ok, maybe i was exaggerating saying that adebayor wasnt in the same league, thats probably a bit harsh on the lad, cos he has had a great season. But i honestly dont see a better striker in the PL at the moment than torres. And thats not just because of the last 2 games, i've watched him over the whole season including the goal against chelsea & the 2 v porto (both of those teams are decent, arent they??). Drogba was mentioned and I think he is probably closest to torres. if you think adebayor is better, then fair enough but I think he's cashing in big time in a team with some outstanding creative midfielders. think of it this way - if/when torres gets over the 20 PL goal mark, he'll be the first liverpool striker to do so since fowler in 96!!! And maybe the defences were shocking but he still became only the 4th player in the clubs history to score hatricks in successive league games. Not bad in his first season. and i also said that torres was
possibly the best striker in the world. Im probably a bit bias in my view but i think there's a fair enough argument.
QuoteLiverpool seemed to have turned a corner lately.
from EC Unique
If you remember Ged Houllier used to turn a corner every 3 weeks or so...
Quote from: EC Unique on March 06, 2008, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 06, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
QuoteI would rate Adebayor higher.
are you having a laugh??? Not in the same league as torres. If liverpool has the same play makers or creative midfielders as arsenal, torres would be running away in the top goal scorer charts. Torres is definitely the best striker in the PL at the mo and possibly the best in the world.
I think you need to get those tinted glasses off. He scores two hat-tricks in 2 weeks against shocking defence and all of a sudden he is the best striker in the world. Calm down and give him time to prove himself against decent defences and then we can talk. I am sure he will though. As I said he is a quality striker and as someone else said he can create chances with little or no help from the very average players around him but not the best in the premiership never mind the world..... Yet. ;)
Torres, Drogba and Adebayor (in no particular order) and probably the three best out and out strikers in the premier league. Drogba by his own standards this season has not been great although has proved himself by already having successful seasons at Chelsea. Adebayor is finally making a big impact this season after flattering to deceive last year while Torres has made a frankly unbelievable impression in his first season given that many great players have taken at least a season to a season and a half to adapt to the English game.
Which one you prefer is really a matter of choice.
Different kinds of strikers, and difficult to compare in my view. Obvouvly from a biased Livepool point of view I would rate Torres better than the others and that is simply on the basis of how well he has adapted in his first season. The other two didn't set the world alight straight away, whereas Torres has been unreal and has firmly set himself among the favourites in the Kop. The one thing I like about him above all else is his honesty of effort. He is not afraid to get his hands dirty as it were and this is something that must be applauded for a young foreigner playing in the Premier League. He takes the bumps but doesn't take the soft option.
Anyway, has anyone seen much of Nemeth in the reserves? He is banging them in as well and may be worth a run out inthe first team before the season is out. I know he is still young but if he can adapt as well to the first team game he could save a few bob too.
He's got 7 in 7 for the reserves
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hQfNndAGV2s&feature=related - his first 5
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xJm7XysZJNY&feature=related - the 6th
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 06, 2008, 09:37:24 AM
Torres is certainly playing well at the moment, and there is a dearth of out and out strikers in world football at the moment, in the old #9 mould, like Drogba and Adabeyor.
Anyway, I hate that phrase I bolded above, remember the latter days of Houllier? We were turning so many corners we were going around in circles.
Circles don't have corners ;)
Anywho i think Torres is definatly in the Top 3 strikers in the Premiership...Adebayor and Rooney being the other..
Adebayor has to be there for the amount of goals he has scored and I would take Rooney ahead of any of the others too be honest..He is such a important player to United and while mabye not scoring as many as the others this year he certainly is having a great season in his own right and in my opinon is a more important player to Man U than Ronaldo
Anelka hasn't done much since joining Chelsea and Drogba is having a quite season,granted he was missing when he went to the ANC but still by his standards he has been quiet
QuoteAnelka hasn't done much since joining Chelsea
!What about giving him some time????
Anyhow..
....what happened Pennant he didn't play at the weekend? I am sure I read that he missed Sunday's game as he was ill. The reason I am asking is that he was clubbing in Strabane on Saturday night!
Note: This is not a wind up. He really was out in Strabane on Saturday evening. I think he is going with some yoke from Hollyoaks, and she was doing a PA here. He was tagging (Bad choice of word there) along I think.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 06, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
The end in sight?
Im not sure about that - Hicks seems adamant to maintain a majority shareholding. hard to see DIC buying into that arrangement. And if Hicks ends up buying out Gillett, mightnt be alot of funds available for buying more players.
Hicks orders Dubai visit for talks on Liverpool impasse
Andy Hunter
Friday March 7, 2008
The Guardian
Lawyers representing Tom Hicks intend to travel to Dubai next week to discuss a possible working relationship with Dubai International Capital, one that is based on the Texan's terms as he strives to become the majority Liverpool shareholder.
Anfield's co-owner appeared to soften his stance on the future ownership of the club yesterday when DIC claimed he was willing to meet them and to allow his co-chairman, George Gillett, to sell his 50% stake to the investment arm of the Dubai government for around £215m.
Hicks, however, has not veered from a determination to become the club's major influence and has instructed his lawyers to see whether DIC will reconsider their own ambitions to gain majority control. That is not an offer the Dubai company are currently prepared to accept.
Despite continuing efforts to raise funds for a rival bid for Gillett's investment and the power of veto over any sale to a third party, Hicks has indicated to DIC that he would allow his co-owner to sell them his stake, though only 49% or less. The leverage buyout expert is seeking a minimum 51% holding in Liverpool and remains resolute in his insistence that any new shareholder coming into the club would have to accept a minority stake.
The American's hardline stance continues to present a fundamental obstacle to DIC's intentions and the company will have to increase its £200m offer for Hicks' 50% before the co-chairman even reconsiders his position. DIC are also becoming increasingly exasperated by Gillett, and next week's meeting in Dubai is unlikely to go ahead unless he has finally accepted their bid for his 13-month investment.
Gillett has been offered a £40m profit on his 50% stake as a premium for dissolving his business relationship with Hicks and thereby allowing DIC to exert pressure on Hicks to follow suit. Over two days have now passed since Gillett was given a deadline to accept or reject DIC's package, however, and he has not given a decision.
DIC's representatives are continuing to work on a deal with Gillett's lawyers and are exploring ways for him to sell without his co-owner's permission, but until the sports tycoon agrees to sell there is no working relationship for Hicks and DIC to discuss.
Hicks has no plans personally to meet Amanda Staveley of private equity firm and DIC's advisors, PCP Capital Partners, and will have 90 days to lodge a formal rival offer for Gillett's shareholding should he block any attempt by his co-owner to sell his 50%. Although DIC remain confident a deal can eventually be struck with the Americans they may have to revise their intentions for Liverpool should the current impasse continue.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 07, 2008, 02:11:22 AM
QuoteAnelka hasn't done much since joining Chelsea
!What about giving him some time????
Anyhow..
....what happened Pennant he didn't play at the weekend? I am sure I read that he missed Sunday's game as he was ill. The reason I am asking is that he was clubbing in Strabane on Saturday night!
Note: This is not a wind up. He really was out in Strabane on Saturday evening. I think he is going with some yoke from Hollyoaks, and she was doing a PA here. He was tagging (Bad choice of word there) along I think.
Ye Norf Tyrone saw a picture of him minding a bottle of bud maybe he had a bad hangover ;)
Anyone else hear a rumour, and I do mean rumour about Agger?
Heard a story that the reason he hasn't returned from injury is more to do with him failing a internal drugs test than a re-occurance of the injury. According to this rumour he is to be shipped out in the summer.
I find that hard to believe, but it does seem like he has been out for ages with this injury!!
He was playing for the reserves last week against Man United.
If he is on the comeback trail we will see him in the first team squad soon enough, if there is anything to that rumour, which I hadn't heard, then he'll stay in the reserves I'd say. That might give us a hint.
Yeah I would imagine so. Like I say it was one of those ones that came through a friend of a friend type thing so I wouldn't be putting much faith in it. But like you say if he's in the reserves then he should be making a appearance for the first team soon enough which should dispell any rumours.
Think that agger story is just a load of balls. First it was a drink problem, now drugs. i doubt there's any real truth in it. I'd say he could be on the bench for the game tomorrow.
Firstly it was he was too scared to come back and risk the injury, then drink and now drugs. He played for the reserves against United and Bolton the other night too. He will most likely be on the bench against Newcastle or Inter.
I have watched a bit of Nemeth in the reserves. He looks a a very good player and likes to come dep and pick out a pass too, very good vision.
GOD AT WORK to keep the pedantic pats happy this is not actually god who as we know is Robbie Fowler it is a video of Torres (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmxWT2AP8g)
excellent Laoislad
Not to be pedantic, but God = Fowler, not Torres.
Quote from: corn02 on March 07, 2008, 05:35:20 PM
Not to be pedantic, but God = Fowler, not Torres.
That is pedantic ::)
Hope we aren't going to have a split between old testament Liverpool fans and new testament Liverpool fans :)
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 07, 2008, 06:08:02 PM
Hope we aren't going to have a split between old testament Liverpool fans and new testament Liverpool fans :)
No split at my end,Fowler will always be in my top 3 Fav Liverpool players...
I didn't think calling Torres a God could cause so much trouble :-\
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 07, 2008, 05:08:20 PM
GOD AT WORK to keep the pedantic pats happy this is not actually god who as we know is Robbie Fowler it is a video of Torres (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=qGmxWT2AP8g)
:D :D
Pedantic is right. The Fowler chant used by the Kop was recycled from that for Dalglish. Nothing is cast in stone.
Ach lads sure I'm only jesting. :D
1-0 to Liverpool, 2 minutes before halftime.
Screamer from Pennant - wait till you see it! :P ;D
2-0 just before half-time!
Lovely through ball from Gerrard, Torres dummies it, goes around Harper and sticks it in.
Quote from: J70 on March 08, 2008, 03:47:07 PM
1-0 to Liverpool, 2 minutes before halftime.
Screamer from Pennant - wait till you see it! :P ;D
aye, a quality strike from pennant alright :D :D
Liverpool all the possession but struggled to create many chances. lucky to be 2 up at the break. another nice finish by torres.
Quote from: J70 on March 08, 2008, 03:47:07 PM
1-0 to Liverpool, 2 minutes before halftime.
Screamer from Pennant - wait till you see it! :P ;D
Goal of the season. No doubt.
Torres is just pure class.
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 08, 2008, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 08, 2008, 03:47:07 PM
1-0 to Liverpool, 2 minutes before halftime.
Screamer from Pennant - wait till you see it! :P ;D
aye, a quality strike from pennant alright :D :D
Liverpool all the possession but struggled to create many chances. lucky to be 2 up at the break. another nice finish by torres.
Wasn't too worried to be honest. Once they scored one, they were always going to get another one or two, and I couldn't forsee Newcastle holding out. They were camped in their own half and constantly giving the ball away or losing the second ball. Liverpool didn't create much, but somewhere along the line Newcastle were bound to give up a couple of chances.
3-0 - fast break, Torres returns the favour for Gerrard.
What about the Newcastle offside trap? :D
A Nice way to warm up for the inter game.
Newcastle look in big trouble.
Nice to hear the Liverpool fans being so sympathetic to Keegan!!!
Newcastle are brutal. There's more goals there for Liverpool if they want them. Newcastle could go down!
Quote from: FermGael on March 08, 2008, 04:13:36 PM
A Nice way to warm up for the inter game.
Newcastle look in big trouble.
Nice to hear the Liverpool fans being so sympathetic to Keegan!!!
A bit harsh all right. Some of those fans mustn't know their club history.
Quote from: J70 on March 08, 2008, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: FermGael on March 08, 2008, 04:13:36 PM
A Nice way to warm up for the inter game.
Newcastle look in big trouble.
Nice to hear the Liverpool fans being so sympathetic to Keegan!!!
A bit harsh all right. Some of those fans mustn't know their club history.
Very True but then again Newcastle look like a team in free fall.
They have absolutely no fight about them
Quote from: FermGael on March 08, 2008, 04:13:36 PM
A Nice way to warm up for the inter game.
Newcastle look in big trouble.
Nice to hear the Liverpool fans being so sympathetic to Keegan!!!
im watchin the match online. what were the fans singing?
You're going Down, You're going down and
Keegan for england
Quote from: FermGael on March 08, 2008, 04:48:20 PM
You're going Down, You're going down and
Keegan for england
In fairness, it was for about two minutes after the third goal (unless they started again at the end - i didn't see the last 15).
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In fairness, it was for about two minutes after the third goal (unless they started again at the end - i didn't see the last 15).
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True that
Have to chuckle at the way Gerrard is all touchy-feely around Torres. No doubt he views Torres as an equal worthy of his attention. Should he be told that Torres is no equal - he's much better?
Quote from: deiseach on March 08, 2008, 11:10:41 PM
Have to chuckle at the way Gerrard is all touchy-feely around Torres. No doubt he views Torres as an equal worthy of his attention. Should he be told that Torres is no equal - he's much better?
I think Gerrard is just happy to have a player of that quality at the club. And I'm sure he'd like a few more like him.
Thank god for Fernando by the way. The lad is utter class and a great attitude to go with it.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 08, 2008, 11:36:43 PM
Thats a odd thing to say,How can you compare ??? Gerrard's a midfielder Torres is a striker so yes Torres is a far better striker than Gerrard but Gerrard is a better midfielder than Torres,But both are of equal importance to Liverpool and they are combining brilliantly together at the moment
You don't think you can compare strikers and midfielders. I think you can compare the value of players across all areas of the pitch. As far as I'm concerned, Torres is more valuable than Gerrard.
Deiseach, the way they dovetailed yesterday shows the value they have to each other.
I wouldnt say torres is much better than gerrard, i think they make each other better
Quote from: nifan on March 09, 2008, 05:35:17 PM
Deiseach, the way they dovetailed yesterday shows the value they have to each other.
I wouldnt say torres is much better than gerrard, i think they make each other better
They each make all those around them better. But if the Fates said one of the two was going to suffer a long term injury and I had to choose, I wouldn't even hesitate before bestowing my protection on Torres.
Quote from: deiseach on March 09, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
They each make all those around them better. But if the Fates said one of the two was going to suffer a long term injury and I had to choose, I wouldn't even hesitate before bestowing my protection on Torres.
i probably would pick torres too, but to be fair to Gerrard, for years he's proved that he can carry the team on his own. thankfully, torres hasnt had that chance yet!!
That sort of leads me onto another point - watching the premiership on saturday, it's so annoying listening to giles & houghton saying that "if it wasnt for gerrard & torres, liverpool would be in serious trouble" . Of course they would, but is that any different to any of the other top sides - how would utd fare without rooney & ronaldo, or arsenal without fabregas & adebayor? Sometimes it's like they hate seeing Liverpool perform well, means they have to nit pick for criticism.
QuoteHave to chuckle at the way Gerrard is all touchy-feely around Torres. No doubt he views Torres as an equal worthy of his attention.
Maybe it's cos he's not getting much touchy-feely [Edited by Mod3]
Quote from: deiseach on March 09, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
Quote from: nifan on March 09, 2008, 05:35:17 PM
Deiseach, the way they dovetailed yesterday shows the value they have to each other.
I wouldnt say torres is much better than gerrard, i think they make each other better
They each make all those around them better. But if the Fates said one of the two was going to suffer a long term injury and I had to choose, I wouldn't even hesitate before bestowing my protection on Torres.
First of all could you not have said if one of them had to be transfered rather than a long term injury?
Anyways apart from that, I wouldn't be as quick to choose between them as you are..Gerrard when on form is one of the best midfielders in the world in my opinion and has got Liverpool out of more holes than i can remember and i would have to think long and hard about who i would pick before i'd pick between the two,Torres has been brilliant so far but Gerrard has been doing it for Liverpool for the last 5 years
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 09, 2008, 10:15:29 PM
First of all could you not have said if one of them had to be transfered rather than a long term injury?
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Quote from: deiseach on March 09, 2008, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 09, 2008, 10:15:29 PM
First of all could you not have said if one of them had to be transfered rather than a long term injury?
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Yup you are a arsehole,That confirms it
Joining me in being pedantic Laoislad? ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 09, 2008, 10:37:54 PM
Yup you are a arsehole,That confirms it
Was there ever a doubt? :D
Quote from: under the bar on March 09, 2008, 08:22:23 PM
QuoteHave to chuckle at the way Gerrard is all touchy-feely around Torres. No doubt he views Torres as an equal worthy of his attention.
Maybe it's cos he's not getting much touchy-feely [Edited by Mod3]
Under the bar, that is the sort of stuff that is not on. Rule 2 Warning.
Well that is job done as far as the last 4 games are concerned. 12 points from 12 and a hatful of goals, with very few conceded.
Finish the job against Inter tomorrow night (far from guaranteed) and it'll have been a very good fortnight.
Torres is really hitting a run of form, and in fairness the 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 formation is suiting Gerrard as well.
Keep it going now lads.
AZ 4-2-3-1 is the accpeted formation ;D
Great performance and when you look at Torresand owen on the same pitch you can see how the right decision was made!
The next 2 weeks are so vital and could seriously open things up again. Liverpool will not win the League, but a win against Arsenal will put them 7 points off top spot(8 if Manure win their game in hand.) It si too late in the season but if Liverpool were to finish out the season and be within 7-8 point sof the winners I think it could be accepted that there has been progress, and only for that shocking run they would actually be top now.
Good news is that Masch is on the plane to Milan and available for selection ;D
I still call it 4-5-1 because it's exactly what I meant :) 2 proper midfielders, Alonso and Mascherano ideally, 2 wide players and Gerrard playing as a midfielder, but without the responsibilities of marking anyone.
Anyway, it seems to be working :D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2008, 11:00:56 AM
AZ 4-2-3-1 is the accpeted formation ;D
Great performance and when you look at Torresand owen on the same pitch you can see how the right decision was made!
The next 2 weeks are so vital and could seriously open things up again. Liverpool will not win the League, but a win against Arsenal will put them 7 points off top spot(8 if Manure win their game in hand.) It si too late in the season but if Liverpool were to finish out the season and be within 7-8 point sof the winners I think it could be accepted that there has been progress, and only for that shocking run they would actually be top now.
Good news is that Masch is on the plane to Milan and available for selection ;D
Aye, only 'if's' and 'buts' were Liverpool are concerned. They haven't been good enough to mount a title challenge this season....simple as.
Quote from: tintin25 on March 10, 2008, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2008, 11:00:56 AM
AZ 4-2-3-1 is the accpeted formation ;D
Great performance and when you look at Torresand owen on the same pitch you can see how the right decision was made!
The next 2 weeks are so vital and could seriously open things up again. Liverpool will not win the League, but a win against Arsenal will put them 7 points off top spot(8 if Manure win their game in hand.) It si too late in the season but if Liverpool were to finish out the season and be within 7-8 point sof the winners I think it could be accepted that there has been progress, and only for that shocking run they would actually be top now.
Good news is that Masch is on the plane to Milan and available for selection ;D
Aye, only 'if's' and 'buts' were Liverpool are concerned. They haven't been good enough to mount a title challenge this season....simple as.
funny but i dont see any "ifs" or "buts" in the section you highlighted above. :P :P
But i do agree that liverpool havent been anywhere near good enough (or consistent enough) to mount a serious title challenge. The frustrating thing is that it always seems to be 1 run of games where there's a serious dip in form which effectively ends the season. and this season it was the 5 games in january, when we got 4pts from 5 games. Even more frustrating when you consider that it was against Man City, Wigan, Middlesborough, Villa & West Ham.
I think it's consistency, both of selection (Rafa) and performance (players) that is the issue, rather than quality. I think a formation like they have now, with
Reina, Finnan, Carragher/Hypia/Skrtel/Agger, Riise, Benayoun/Pennant, Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Babel/Kewell, Torres/Kuyt/Crouch has the ability to be a lot more competitive, albeit a player or two short, creatively, of actually winning the title.
But to flog the horse some more, it's being consistently inconsistent that's killing them.
Certainly some of the bad results especially at home look even worse now as those points would have us right in the mix now. Draws at home to Birmingham and Wigan. Draw at home to Villa after leading twice. Losing to last minute penalty at West Ham.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 10, 2008, 09:56:59 AM
Finish the job against Inter tomorrow night (far from guaranteed) and it'll have been a very good fortnight.
There is a lot of talk about it being "game over" already, but if Inter get the first goal, no matter when it comes - then it really will be game on.
Looks like Mascherano is available which will be a big boost.
The weakest part of Inter's team is likely to be their defence, so need to ensure we play properly when in possession.
Anyone see Lucas' dive on Saturday? Embarrassing.
QuoteGerrard playing as a midfielder, but without the responsibilities of marking anyone.
If someone can now explain to him that the easiest pass is not necessarily the worst pass, then ye'll be on the pigs back.
Look what the cat dragged in! Boots you're just jealous :P
AZ was it as bad as some of Gerards in the past?
You've heard of mistimed tackles? This was a mistimed dive. The newcastle lad was coming over sort of side to side, and Lucas thought he was moving quicker than he was (hardly surprising for a newcastle defender). He went over as if he was shoved in the back, but sort of ended up falling on your man's thigh as he arrived.
I do that sometimes, but I am fat and past it :D
Me too, but mines not a dive, it's a fall from exhaustion.
QuoteGerrard when on form is one of the best midfielders in the world
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You're a gas man! Not even the best midfielder in his club. Hairy forehead is good at what he does but that isn't being a midfielder.
Ah Seanie, be nice. ;)
I was. I said he was good!
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 10, 2008, 05:02:50 PM
QuoteGerrard when on form is one of the best midfielders in the world
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You're a gas man! Not even the best midfielder in his club. Hairy forehead is good at what he does but that isn't being a midfielder.
10 goals and 9 assists in the league so far. Even you know he'd walk into the United team Seanie and Fergie would have him in there like a shot if he could.
Tom Hicks, co-owner of Kop Football (Holdings) Limited and, through it, of Liverpool Football Club, today issued the following statement.
"Based on a meeting held earlier today in Dubai between my representatives and officials of Dubai International Capital LLC, as well as other recent contacts between us and them, I have decided to terminate any further discussions with DIC regarding their possible purchase of a minority stake in Kop and, in turn, in the Club.
"DIC made it clear that if they invested in the Club, they would want it to be managed by committee. Based on my thirteen years of successful experience as an owner of professional sports teams, and based in particular on the situation at Liverpool Football Club over the past year, it is clear to me that such a committee approach would not be in the best interest of Kop, of the Club or of the Club's loyal and passionate supporters.
"Accordingly, I have decided to exercise my right under the Kop Football (Holdings) Limited partnership agreement to veto any sale of any portion of Kop and the Club to DIC.
"I and my colleagues and representatives will continue to explore a number of other options with regard to the ownership of Kop and the Club aimed at achieving an appropriate ownership, financial and organizational structure for Kop and the Club over the long term."
f**king great!!
Tom Hicks is proving to be an extremely irritating individual.
Word through that Mascherano is out for tomorrow's game :(
f**k me Alonso out now as well, for the birth of his child
Can't understand why pool fans are under the impression that one conglomerate owner will be better than another
QuoteCan't understand why pool fans are under the impression that one conglomerate owner will be better than another
Sure didn't they have a big celebration when Hicks and Gillett took over.
Quote10 goals and 9 assists in the league so far. Even you know he'd walk into the United team Seanie and Fergie would have him in there like a shot if he could.
Attacking is only part of a midfielders job. He definitely wouldn't be a central midfielder in any serious side unless he had two other central men to do the work he doesn't do. His current form is largely due to the fact that the system Liverpool are now playing suits him. Amazing it took Benitez so long to go for it.
Quote from: Uladh on March 10, 2008, 06:24:10 PM
Can't understand why pool fans are under the impression that one conglomerate owner will be better than another
Liverpool were years looking for investors. When they were finally found Liverpool fans were just relieved that it was all over. Of couse since them the new owners have found to be completely untrustworthy.
Now maybe any new investors would be just as bad but certainly the Americans have burnt their bridges as far as the fans go.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 10, 2008, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 10, 2008, 05:02:50 PM
QuoteGerrard when on form is one of the best midfielders in the world
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You're a gas man! Not even the best midfielder in his club. Hairy forehead is good at what he does but that isn't being a midfielder.
10 goals and 9 assists in the league so far. Even you know he'd walk into the United team Seanie and Fergie would have him in there like a shot if he could.
Fergie wouldn't need viagra anymore if he thought Gerrard would play for United he would be on a constant horn,the auld fart knows he is way above what he has at the moment
Quote from: gawa316 on March 10, 2008, 05:57:23 PM
Word through that Mascherano is out for tomorrow's game :(
f**k me Alonso out now as well, for the birth of his child
Are you sure about Mascherano? All the reports & websites I've read are that he's fit and available. Alonso out is a big loss, starting to come into a bit of form. He might try Lucas there, would be a big game for him.
Quote from: stevo-08 on March 10, 2008, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on March 10, 2008, 05:57:23 PM
Word through that Mascherano is out for tomorrow's game :(
f**k me Alonso out now as well, for the birth of his child
Are you sure about Mascherano? All the reports & websites I've read are that he's fit and available. Alonso out is a big loss, starting to come into a bit of form. He might try Lucas there, would be a big game for him.
Heard it on skysports but don't see anything now about it. Hopefully I'm wrong
Absolute bollix seanie, you know rightly he is a first class midfielder. He usually plays the attacking midfield role anyway so defensive duties have not been on the top of his list.
Billy Boots, spot on man, Gerrard always goes for the killer ball.
Lucas played the first leg, so shouldnt be a problem with him slotting in for Alonso.
Reading between the lines, I don't think Rafa's too happy with Alonso:
"But Alonso's girlfriend is having a baby so he will not be here. Maybe we will try to change without Xabi. We have the training session tonight (Monday) and then we will decide.
"We were talking but he had a clear idea of what he wanted to do. He wanted to come if everything was okay, but we couldn't wait and in the end we needed to decide.
"I cannot wait for one player. You cannot wait and so I had to make use of my squad."
"We were considering different options because maybe we have some players that they cannot cope with or manage,"
I would have thought he'd keep with the 4-2-3-1, but I think he's hinting at a change - maybe giving Crouch a go seeing as Inter are struggling at centre back, and keeping a strong midfield of Gerrard-Lucas-Mascho-Riise.
Quote from: Hound on March 11, 2008, 09:14:17 AM
Lucas played the first leg, so shouldnt be a problem with him slotting in for Alonso.
Reading between the lines, I don't think Rafa's too happy with Alonso:
"But Alonso's girlfriend is having a baby so he will not be here. Maybe we will try to change without Xabi. We have the training session tonight (Monday) and then we will decide.
"We were talking but he had a clear idea of what he wanted to do. He wanted to come if everything was okay, but we couldn't wait and in the end we needed to decide.
"I cannot wait for one player. You cannot wait and so I had to make use of my squad."
"We were considering different options because maybe we have some players that they cannot cope with or manage,"
I would have thought he'd keep with the 4-2-3-1, but I think he's hinting at a change - maybe giving Crouch a go seeing as Inter are struggling at centre back, and keeping a strong midfield of Gerrard-Lucas-Mascho-Riise.
yea, sounds like he's not too happy bout Alonso. Lucas can slot in but he's no Alonso, not just yet anyway!! It might mean dropping gerrard back to midfield as you suggest. but I cant see him dropping kuyt - not a chance in hell. I think he'll go with the midfield you suggest above with torres & kuyt up front. If we do need a goal, then crouch, babel, bennayoun & penant are all options.
QuoteAbsolute bollix seanie, you know rightly he is a first class midfielder. He usually plays the attacking midfield role anyway so defensive duties have not been on the top of his list.
I'm afraid you're listening to too much Premiership hype. If he is such a good midfielder and if Lampard (a comparably lauded player) is such a good midifelder then how come they don't rule the world from the centre of Englands midfield. Much like with the NBA in the US, the hype machine tends to disregard pesky stuff like defending when handing out plaudits. I think its an integral part of the game and at least as important and attacking. Maybe I'm worng but I doubt it.
Prediction for tonight's game........INTER MILAN 1 , LIVERPOOL 2......Liverpool win 4-1 on agg.
Absolutely Seanie, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho and other top midfielders are renowned for tracking back and defending. I sometimes wonder why their managers also have players such as Flamini, Mascherano, Makelele, Pirlo playing alongside them.......
Fabregas is a midfielder, in the sense Seanie means. Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka and Ronaldinho are not.
I've been one of those who have defended Stevie G as a very good player, but not a great midfielder. When I say that, I mean in the traditional keep possession, anchor the midfield sense. It's just a different type of player, nothing wrong with it.
Graeme Souness was a midfielder, Jan Molby was a midfielder, Javier Mascherano and Xabi Alonso are midfielders, Roy Keane was a midfielder.
I think, if you are comparing players, Steven Gerrard is more like Paul Scholes in the way he wants to play, and what he's good at, than he ever will be like Graeme Souness.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 11, 2008, 10:50:51 AM
QuoteAbsolute bollix seanie, you know rightly he is a first class midfielder. He usually plays the attacking midfield role anyway so defensive duties have not been on the top of his list.
I'm afraid you're listening to too much Premiership hype. If he is such a good midfielder and if Lampard (a comparably lauded player) is such a good midifelder then how come they don't rule the world from the centre of Englands midfield. Much like with the NBA in the US, the hype machine tends to disregard pesky stuff like defending when handing out plaudits. I think its an integral part of the game and at least as important and attacking. Maybe I'm worng but I doubt it.
For the same reason scholes never ruled the world from the centre of England's midfield. They never had a world class defensive midfield partner. (And any two of Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard would never form a world class partnership in a 4-4-2 formation, even though all three can be brilliant)
I think some of the criticism of Gerrard is a bit harsh. Ok, he doesnt have every single attribute to be a great central midfielder but he has alot of them - his attacking play is excellent as I think everyone agrees, he is a very good passer of the ball although should take the simple pass more often. He has pace and stamina, getting through a huge amount of work in most games. There are very few central midfielders who have everything so I think in that context, he has to be rated fairly high on the list of midfield players. Mascherano, no doubt is a bit bias in his interview below, but he obviously holds Gerrad in very high regard..
Mascherano's master class in destruction
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Growing up in Buenos Aires, Javier Mascherano only wanted to be a destroyer. From the age of 10, his father Oscar demanded he should learn the art of the enforcer.
He did it so well that El Jefecito (The Little Chief) was born and ten days ago Liverpool paid £19million to make the Argentine international the world's most expensive 'water carrier'.
We have not all learned to love the position of holding midfielder so Mascherano, a likeable little chap who speaks excellent English, kindly offers me a master class in his duties.
'The holding midfielder must keep his position, cover the space, protect the centre back. The most important job is to protect the centre back. Then, win the second balls. In England, many teams play long, so be ready to collect the second ball.
'When you have the ball, do not give it away; a simple pass, easy ball to one of your team-mates.
'When Claude Makelele came to Chelsea, he showed you how to play the position. It was an education. Always, Makelele is in the right position. He doesn't have to run a lot, he knows where he must be, he anticipates danger. Owen Hargreaves is the best English player for this job.'
All dirty work and no goals or glory? 'Well, it's very difficult to find a holding player who can score too,' he accepts. 'You can't do everything! Every player has a role in the team. For the holding midfielder, his job is tactical.
'Maybe the fans don't yet like the position too much because it is seen as negative. They like goals, but I come back again and ask you "how can you score when you are the holding midfielder?".
'If you have a good shot, it helps, like Xabi Alonso, who has a beautiful shot, but my priority is my job. Perhaps I could score three goals a season. Maybe. I will try, no?'
He hasn't scored yet for Liverpool and probably won't on Tuesday night, but his outstanding discipline is a handy quality when entering the San Siro protecting a 2-0 lead against the runaway leaders of Serie A.
'We are in control of the tie and we must keep control,' demands Mascherano. 'A place in the quarter finals of the Champions League is in our hands.'
Tackling is a crucial part of his game, too. Mascherano, however, is not known for studs-up challenges. 'No. I try to run parallel with my opponent and then slide in and hope to come out with the ball.
'The timing of the tackle is everything. I never try to kick other players. When I do the tackle I never go to hurt, I never try violence.
'Okay, sometimes I commit a foul if the tackle is mistimed, but never with intent. I try to do this (he sweeps with his foot) and retrieve the ball. I am calm in my head when I tackle and I don't tackle from behind.'
Kia Joorabchian, his mentor, first signed Mascherano, 23, from River Plate and then took him to Anfield via Corinthians and West Ham.
'He is not my owner, he is my friend,' insists Mascherano. 'He has helped to make this possible. I wanted to be at Liverpool, I have always said that.
'I felt from the first moment when I arrived: "This is my house". When I was a boy, I never imagined it would be possible. In Argentina, we look to Europe, but we think of Real Madrid, Barcelona or Milan. Never Liverpool.
'We have heard of the city, of course, because we know The Beatles. They were my father's favourite rock band.
'When I came here, I wanted to understand the Liverpool life. I have been reading, watching films. This club and the city has a lot of history, many great players from the past and so many achievements. It is one of the biggest clubs in the world. From the decades in the 70s and 80s, they won many things.
'I know that playing here now I can win titles, too. We have a squad to do that.
'We have players who've won the Champions League, UEFA Cup, FA Cup, Carling Cup. The only one missing is the Premier League. The supporters want this title.
'This season, the target is the top four but we need to think about next season and prepare everything so we don't make the same mistakes. We have drawn too many games at home.
'I watched Liverpool win the Champions League on television and now I am playing with Steven Gerrard. He is better than I imagined — his finishing, his shooting. He is the complete midfielder, the perfect midfielder. Technique, pace, power and he is very clever.'
It has been a difficult period for Rafa Benitez, who communicates with Mascherano in English, but his Little Chief has this message.
'I don't forget that he came and took me from West Ham, where I was in the second team. I know this season has not been the best time for Rafa, but it is not his fault that we are behind Arsenal. He is not on the pitch.
'To win the title, you need the supporters, the squad, the staff, the owners together. It is like this table in front of us. You need the four legs or it will fall over.'
QuoteAbsolutely Seanie, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho and other top midfielders are renowned for tracking back and defending. I sometimes wonder why their managers also have players such as Flamini, Mascherano, Makelele, Pirlo playing alongside them.......
Maybe to allow them more freedom?!?
If Millan get the first goal this evening it will be very interesting, if Liverpool go out to attack they should progress. I think it would be a mistake to go out to defent their lead but I suspect that is what they will do. 8)
I expect Liverpool to be cautious alright, but I would like to see Torres, Babel and Gerrard on the lookout for breaks, especially if they can keep Inter scoreless for a half an hour or so.
I am not overly confident, I can see Inter scoring early enough, and Liverpool hanging on for dear life, which is not good away from home. If they can hold out and snatch something on the break before Inter score, it's all over.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 11, 2008, 03:40:05 PM
I expect Liverpool to be cautious alright, but I would like to see Torres, Babel and Gerrard on the lookout for breaks, especially if they can keep Inter scoreless for a half an hour or so.
I am not overly confident, I can see Inter scoring early enough, and Liverpool hanging on for dear life, which is not good away from home. If they can hold out and snatch something on the break before Inter score, it's all over.
It's not good for my stress levels. As the day goes on and the game draws closer I am becoming less confident.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 11, 2008, 02:08:45 PM
QuoteAbsolutely Seanie, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho and other top midfielders are renowned for tracking back and defending. I sometimes wonder why their managers also have players such as Flamini, Mascherano, Makelele, Pirlo playing alongside them.......
Maybe to allow them more freedom?!?
Eh nrico, i think there was a bit of "tongue in cheek" in minders post above. you obviously missed that.... :o
might as well pop in with post no. 4000 :D
I'm getting nervous now
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 11, 2008, 04:43:58 PM
might as well pop in with post no. 4000 :D
I'm getting nervous now
Because you made the 4000th post? ;D
no - cos of the man in the background
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Don't know what I'm more nervous about the match tonight or flying out to california tomorrow to get married ;D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 11, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
no - cos of the man in the background
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:D :D
Better not let the future Mrs gawa316 see your post ;)
Quote from: Chrisowc on March 11, 2008, 05:49:03 PM
Better not let the future Mrs gawa316 see your post ;)
Don't tempt fate :o
I have a strange feeling Rafa is going to change it about tonight; players and formation. Lets hope I'm wrong
Team v Inter Milan
Reina
Carra
Skrtel
Hyypia
Aurelio
Lucas
Mascherano
Gerrard
Babel
Kuyt
Torres
I'm liking the look at that team
Why can Kuyt not pass ??? Not to bad so far, Babel making me nervous with his Yellow card! Think it would be better to take him off !
Inter are shite.
Good man Ref
what a let of.
pool passing poor
Gamer Over
Sweet finish by Torres!!
http://www.parrysongs.co.uk/afcliverpool/aboutus.html (http://www.parrysongs.co.uk/afcliverpool/aboutus.html)
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 11, 2008, 09:36:06 PM
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What about it?
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 11, 2008, 09:36:06 PM
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Get a life AFR
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 11, 2008, 09:51:08 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 11, 2008, 09:36:06 PM
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What about it?
Thats a questio you should be answering?
Quote from: Minder on March 11, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 11, 2008, 09:36:06 PM
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Get a life AFR
you have no idea what a life is
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 11, 2008, 09:57:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 11, 2008, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on March 11, 2008, 09:36:06 PM
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Get a life AFR
you have no idea what a life is
I will take your expert word on that sweet cheeks
Maybe not a vintage performance but what does it matter,Job done and onwards we go
As for the 1/4 finals draw,I suppose we should be hoping for one from Schalke,Fernabache,AS Roma or Manchester United in the draw
Would like to avoid Chelsea most of all as they owe us one in Europe
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on March 11, 2008, 10:04:38 PM
Maybe not a vintage performance but what does it matter,Job done and onwards we go
As for the 1/4 finals draw,I suppose we should be hoping for one from Schalke,Fernabache,AS Roma or Manchester United in the draw
Would like to avoid Chelsea most of all as they owe us one in Europe
True I hope we avoid Chelsea as I'm sick of playing them in Europe. Even if we usually beat them.
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Get a life AFR
you have no idea what a life is
I will take your expert word on that sweet cheeks
just like every other time petal, night night
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His armband proved he was a Red
Torres, Torres
You'll Never Walk Alone, it said
Torres, Torres
We bought the lad from sunny Spain
He gets the ball, he scores again
Fernando Torres, Liverpool's No 9
Last 8:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Chelsea
Arsenal
Barcelona
Fernebahce
Schalke 04
Roma
Is it a bit early to be looking at flights to Moscow? :D
Quote from: stiffler on March 11, 2008, 10:24:08 PM
Last 8:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Chelsea
Arsenal
Barcelona
Fernebahce
Schalke 04
Roma
Is it a bit early to be looking at flights to Moscow? :D
I'll have a M please Bob ;)
A few random thoughts on last night. The most overriding one is ... PPPHHHHEEEWWWWW!. How hard did we make that on ourselves? I thought Babel and Kuyt were very, very poor on the wings, and Babel nearly cost us a goal a couple of times by falling asleep. When Inter were so narrow, there was no excuse for them getting behind our back 4, but a couple of times they did that, and we almost paid the price.
Ibrahimovic was cat. If Torres was wearing blue and black stripes last night, we'd be out.
Skrtel is not half the 'ball player' he thinks he is. He was caught in possession against West Ham and Newcastle, and got away with it, and last night his suicide pass to Ibrahimovic was a genuine WTF? moment. He looks promising, but he has to learn when it is appropriate to pass the ball and when it is appropriate to kick the stictching off of it.
Carra reminded me last night of why he used to get stick when he played at right back under Houllier. I'm not too worried about it though, because it was horses for courses last night, and the way Inter were set up, they were never really going to give him a torrid time, but when he has the ball, the only thing he knows is a long pass.
Overall, I think we are very lucky to be going through, but I don't think too many teams would fancy playing Liverpool, despite what the lads on RTE think, and on their day, which is what this competition is all about, I'm not sure Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United are as far ahead of Liverpool as they think.
Anyway, the recent run of good results continues, so onwards and upwards.
For once I kinda agree with the RTE pundits. Poor performance, good result.
I thought Liverpool looked so nervous when in possession of the ball last night. The amount of stray passess was unbelivable especially ones were the player wasn't under undue pressure. In saying that I couldn't believe how bad Inter were. I know they were missing their first choice defence and ended up down a man but they were so poor. Even when they had 11 men they never really looked liked scoring.
Liverpool badly need to get a right back sorted for cover for Finnan. Carra out there just does not look comfortable at all and the centre of defence looks less that solid when Carra is missing. In saying that Skertel (sp) looks a decent defender if like AZ mentioned he doesn't try too much with the pass.
Yet again Torres settles Liverpool down. Great turn and strike. He really is hitting form at the minute.
Also I think Renia should get a mention as well. He has been very consistant of late and his positional sence when covering Hypia for the ball over the top is suberb.
Would still like to avoid the English teams in the quarters to be honest. As we'll have them in the league shortly anyway.
Didn't see the game as I was out with real men in the wind and ran training for a real man's game :P Caught the last of it on the radio. Alan Greene finds it very hard to cover up his Liverpool leanings at the minute and basically loves Torres and wants to have his babies!
Play average and win in a difficult away fixture is a good result. It sets things up nicely for the run in to the end of the season. With the next few weeks being vital to the value of the season the last ten minutes in teh first leg cannot be underestimated.
While it is good at the minute going forward, like sarsfield man I think special mention has to go to the defence, and Reina in particular. Most clean sheets in the Premier League and two great saves last night, he is the bedrock in my view that the success is being generated on.
With strong cover in the middle, soild defence and a serious threat going forward, there is the potential to win the thing again. I think of all the managers left in the competition too that Rafa is tactically the most astute for winning in Europe with onkly Wenger being his equal. This is not a side shot at Fergie but I think that over two legs Liverpools style of play and Rafas tactical awareness of how to play the game in Europe is key.
From the draw point of view, I don't fear anyone. The nightmare scenario is that they all avoid each other and win their respective Q/F's, then we will have 2 months of pure media hell.
Greene is a bit of a joke at this stage. he seems to be labouring under impression that i listen to 5live for endless ramblings from the his bottomless vault of opinions rather than hearing informed description of what is happening in the game. him and nolan... ruining 5live for me.
Fcuk, Uladh and me agreeing about soemthing! Better not let that happen again ;)
Seen bits of the game...
... Torres looks a better signing every day. Arguable if he's the best forward in the premiership, but I'd say he's definately the best finnisher!
And...how s**t has Viera become!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 12, 2008, 11:45:34 AM
And...how s**t has Viera become!
exactly my thoughts. And how
good is Mascherano becoming!!!
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Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 12, 2008, 11:45:34 AM
And...how s**t has Viera become!
exactly my thoughts. And how good is Mascherano becoming!!!
I praised Torres. That's my unbiased comment for the day gone. Sorry. Try again tomorrow ;)
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And...how s**t has Viera become!
exactly my thoughts. And how good is Mascherano becoming!!!
I praised Torres. That's my unbiased comment for the day gone. Sorry. Try again tomorrow ;)
ah well, worth a shot. cant blame me for trying anyway. and seeing as we all seem to be getting along today, I reckon Chelsea will win either the PL or CL this year. I really hope we dont play yiz in the CL - only one winner there, according to the experts ;)
I would love for UTD to draw Liverpool in the next round. The hype and craic would be class!! :D
Seanie I don't give a f**k if he is shit for England, he has consistently been superb for Liverpool and that is all I care about.
United is the one team I want to avoid. Any team except United for me and I would be quite confident.
I was certain Inter would get an early goal last night and make it a tough night, as it turned out they were cat. Viera was at the heart of everything that was poor about Inter, strolling off the pitch near the end did not endear him to the crowd either. We played poor lads but a 1-0 win in the San Siro is an excellent result no matter what RTE say. Milan have won twice all season at the San Siro, Arsenal go beat them and they are applauded by all. We win in the San Siro against the team that is running away with the title and we get criticised. They were shit though.
Babel and Kuyt were terrible last nigh, Kuyt improved in the second half but both were brutal. Gerrard, Mascherano and Reina were the best performers on the night. Torres was another one having a stinker but showed his class by taking his only real chance. Reina for me does not get enough credit. The man has been excellent since he arrived and one of Rafa's best signings. He does have his moments butthe defence must feel confident with him behind them.
Good result for the scousers in Milan.
Although the result could have been different if Ibrahimovic had squared the ball with just over 30 mins remaining - the greedy b4stard.
Really dont want the scousers on Friday in the draw.
If it was a PL game I wouldnt mind but the CL is a different story altogether
Don't want you either fullback.
Ibrahimovic is the best paid player in the World and also the most over rated.
What did you all think of the sending off. RTE said deserved while Andy Gray said no. Personally I thought it was a yellow card offence and saw no problem with either card he recieved.
Quote from: corn02 on March 12, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
What did you all think of the sending off. RTE said deserved while Andy Gray said no. Personally I thought it was a yellow card offence and saw no problem with either card he recieved.
Agreed
Quote from: corn02 on March 12, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
Don't want you either fullback.
Ibrahimovic is the best paid player in the World and also the most over rated.
What did you all think of the sending off. RTE said deserved while Andy Gray said no. Personally I thought it was a yellow card offence and saw no problem with either card he recieved.
When have Andy Gray and objectivity ever went hand in hand ?
Of course Gray said Lucas should have been sent off.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 12, 2008, 12:58:10 PM
I would love for UTD to draw Liverpool in the next round. The hype and craic would be class!! :D
Considering how nervous I was last night, despite being 2-0 up and Torres threatening to get an away goal every time he touched the ball, any match against the Mancs in Europe would probably be the death of me.
The one team Liverpool do not want is the manc's,Pool could not live up to , one winner only. Man U all the way ;D
The next 5 games after tomorrow
23rd March
Man United vs Liverpool (EPL)
30th March
Liverpool vs Everton (EPL)
2nd April
Arsenal vs Liverpool (CL)
5th April
Arsenal vs Liverpool (EPL)
9th April
Liverpool vs Arsenal (CL)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2008, 12:45:36 PM
The next 5 games after tomorrow
23rd March
Man United vs Liverpool (EPL)
30th March
Liverpool vs Everton (EPL)
2nd April
Arsenal vs Liverpool (CL)
5th April
Arsenal vs Liverpool (EPL)
9th April
Liverpool vs Arsenal (CL)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Piece of piss. ;D
Actually this is the form guide for both teams at the moment.
Liverpool form: WWWWWW
Arsenal form: DDDDWD
Won't count for much come the beginning of April though I'd imagine.
This is the stage of the season that Rafa always talks about when people criticise the rotation policy. Now we find out if it's going to come good when he needs it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2008, 12:53:52 PM
This is the stage of the season that Rafa always talks about when people criticise the rotation policy. Now we find out if it's going to come good when he needs it.
aye, and it's a pity those same people dont do their homework. If you take the main spine of GK, CB, CM & Striker in the top 4 teams, then this season Liverpool have played reina, carragher, gerrard & Torres about 8-10 PL games more than their conterparts in arse, utd or chelsea. in fairness to chelsea, drogba hasnt started in the league since december i think. but anyway, it puts the rotation hype churned out by the media to bed. i mean does anybody care if arbeloa/aurelio, pennant/bennayoun, lucas/alonso, kuyt/crouch are all rotated???
But yes, the upcoming matches will certainly tell alot about how good & consistent this Liverpool team are.
I care to be honest. I think it's okay to rest/rotate one or 2 people every so often, but a team needs to get settled. Changing 5 or 6 lads does not breed consistency, and only undermines confidence.
Theres 'rotation' and ROTATION. Rafa doesn't do lower case.
Is ROTATION not the reason why Liverpool are fighting for their lifes to get 4th? Or is it just a weak squad?
Danny Agger out for the season.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2008, 01:11:14 PM
I care to be honest. I think it's okay to rest/rotate one or 2 people every so often, but a team needs to get settled. Changing 5 or 6 lads does not breed consistency, and only undermines confidence.
Theres 'rotation' and ROTATION. Rafa doesn't do lower case.
fair point AZ. Actually in the PL, Rafa makes on average 3 changes per game. Bear in mind that we've had a few injurys this season and players were rested around CL games. and also a lot of new faces came into the side in the summer & 1 in january so it takes time for some of those players to settle. Taking all that into account, I dont think rotating 3 players per PL game is too bad. Certainly I dont subscribe to the rotation hype being thrown around in the media.
QuoteIs ROTATION not the reason why Liverpool are fighting for their lifes to get 4th? Or is it just a weak squad?
I believe its a weak squad.
IF we had 2-3 more players of the Torres calibre, rotate all the f**k you want, we'd still be up there challenging for the title. Just my opinion.
Just a further point - this season, Rafa has selected Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Finnan, Riise, Gerrard, Mascherano, Kuyt & Torres in his starting team on a very consistent basis in the PL (only Finnan & Riise starting fewer than 20 games).
Thats 10 players. The problem is that the likes of Hyypia (due to age), Riise, Kuyt & possibly Arbeloa just arent good enough players to be starting consistently in a winning PL team. :(
Would be more worried about Arsenal if they were still producing their early season form, but they clearly arent. I also think people are over playing the Milan result, Milan have won something like 4 league games at the San Siro this season so it isnt the fortress of old and they are clearly a team in decline.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 07, 2008, 11:40:37 AM
He was playing for the reserves last week against Man United.
If he is on the comeback trail we will see him in the first team squad soon enough, if there is anything to that rumour, which I hadn't heard, then he'll stay in the reserves I'd say. That might give us a hint.
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3301341,00.html
I fail to see the hate towards Arbeloa on this board - it truly baffles me
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2008, 02:17:36 PM
I fail to see the hate towards Arbeloa on this board - it truly baffles me
Me too. He always looks a solid decent player to me.
Therein lies the problem, too many "solid, decent " players . . . .
Spot on Minder. Decent players won't win the League.
Quote from: corn02 on March 15, 2008, 02:47:18 PM
Spot on Minder. Decent players won't win the League.
Darren Fletcher, John O'Shea would indicate otherwise
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2008, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: corn02 on March 15, 2008, 02:47:18 PM
Spot on Minder. Decent players won't win the League.
Darren Fletcher, John O'Shea would indicate otherwise
they are not regulars at man united and they have more players of a higher quality that can carry them when they do get a run out
Quote from: Minder on March 15, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
Therein lies the problem, too many "solid, decent " players . . . .
What do you want from a Liverpool full-back?
It is not a position I'd expect a manager to be spending 10-15 million pounds to fill.
O'Shea and Fletcher are hardly ever presents. I do not mean Arbeloa in particular, for me he is good enough. I mean wingers in particular.
Quote from: J70 on March 15, 2008, 02:53:16 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 15, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
Therein lies the problem, too many "solid, decent " players . . . .
What do you want from a Liverpool full-back?
It is not a position I'd expect a manager to be spending 10-15 million pounds to fill.
someone fast,athletic,decent going forward,something we dont have at the minute. Sagna, Eboue or glen johnson at pompey would do grand
Quote from: Minder on March 15, 2008, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 15, 2008, 02:53:16 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 15, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
Therein lies the problem, too many "solid, decent " players . . . .
What do you want from a Liverpool full-back?
It is not a position I'd expect a manager to be spending 10-15 million pounds to fill.
someone fast,athletic,decent going forward,something we dont have at the minute. Sagna, Eboue or glen johnson at pompey would do grand
I don't want that cheating c**t anywhere near Liverpool
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2008, 02:17:36 PM
I fail to see the hate towards Arbeloa on this board - it truly baffles me
Is that in reply to my post?? Jaysus, hate is a fairly strong word - I only said he's
possibly not a good enough full back to have for a PL winning team. I actually think he is a good player but we definitely need at least one full back in the class of cole, evra, clichy, sagna in order to compete with utd, chelsea, arsenal. 1 player of that calibre and then I would be very happy to have either finnan/arbeloa as the other, both being very solid full backs.
Hes had a decent first half today!
Jesus that Hunt lad does some crying >:(
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2008, 02:17:36 PM
I fail to see the hate towards Arbeloa on this board - it truly baffles me
Are you watching the game today Gabe? Ah, live footy on a Saturday - one of Canada's many luxuries!!
Liverpool look pretty solid, but I think its clearly evident that Arbeloa, Aurelio, and Skrtel are not up to the task. Probably not fair to judge given my limited exposure, but they really look a step behind the rest of the team today.
On the plus points, what a turn of pace and finish by Mascherano, and Babel looks really up for it today - is he right footed? He seems to always want to cut inside from the left wing.
Truly awful commentary btw - when Liverpool equalised, the commentator offered 'Well you've heard of the night of the long knives, today is the day of the long shots...' Nice bit of mixing fascist metaphors!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 15, 2008, 03:54:43 PM
Hes had a decent first half today!
Jesus that Hunt lad does some crying >:(
He's looked constantly unsure of himself and has give away a lot of possession - I'd be surprised if he comes out for the second half.
I thought Skrtel was excellent today. Aurelio had a good game, except for the one he lost on the corner of the box. I thought Arbeloa was fine too - he had a tough battle with Hunt, but he gave him little or nothing.
Tough win overall - it was a bit nervy with those two frees at the end. Reading worked extremely hard closing Liverpool down, as they did in the away fixture earlier in the season. Another three points though - a month ago, Liverpool would probably have given up two in that game.
Well, Liverpool have won their last five league games and the champions league quarter final, all games they arguably would be expected to win (San Siro aside, perhaps, although I wasn't that surprised).
The next five games looks to be a slightly tougher run: :P
23 Mar, 2008 Manchester United Barclays Premier League A 13:30
30 Mar, 2008 Everton Barclays Premier League H 16:00
02 Apr, 2008 Arsenal Champions League Quarter Final (1) A 19:45
05 Apr, 2008 Arsenal Barclays Premier League A 12:45
08 Apr, 2008 Arsenal Champions League Quarter Final (2) H 19:45
Should be interesting, especially to see if Torres can keep banging them in. His scoring rate will obviously slow down, given the opposition, but this run will tell to what extent, if any, Liverpool have turned yet another corner.
All scouscers get a grip. Liverpool lack class. One player stands out and that is Torres. SG allways goes on MIA when the big games cum around .Lets face it u will be very lucky if Everton do not take 4 place .Rafa gone . He has not got the julies ,SG gone ,The yank's know how to to business. Should be happy u have them .Just think how bad u could be if they wernt there. No Torres,no SG MIA captain. Get a reality cheauqe. Only 2 team's have a chance for champions leauge .Man U % Chelsea.
Get real .Live in the real world .Up the Manc's :-*
Fulham 1 - 0 Everton
A bit of breathing space then.
A point at Old Trafford next week and victory against Everton at Anfield the week after should set Liverpool up nicely.
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on March 16, 2008, 02:24:36 PM
All scouscers get a grip. Liverpool lack class. One player stands out and that is Torres. SG allways goes on MIA when the big games cum around .Lets face it u will be very lucky if Everton do not take 4 place .Rafa gone . He has not got the julies ,SG gone ,The yank's know how to to business. Should be happy u have them .Just think how bad u could be if they wernt there. No Torres,no SG MIA captain. Get a reality cheauqe. Only 2 team's have a chance for champions leauge .Man U % Chelsea.
Get real .Live in the real world .Up the Manc's :-*
:D :D :D Tosser!
u spending too much stateside wolly.Get real plonker ;D
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on March 16, 2008, 02:24:36 PM
All scouscers get a grip. Liverpool lack class. One player stands out and that is Torres. SG allways goes on MIA when the big games cum around .Lets face it u will be very lucky if Everton do not take 4 place .Rafa gone . He has not got the julies ,SG gone ,The yank's know how to to business. Should be happy u have them .Just think how bad u could be if they wernt there. No Torres,no SG MIA captain. Get a reality cheauqe. Only 2 team's have a chance for champions leauge .Man U % Chelsea.
Get real .Live in the real world .Up the Manc's :-*
Missing in big games??
You mean like in the Champions League Final 2005 or FA Cup Final 2006 or Liverpool v Olympiakos 2005? Yup he is always going missing in big games ::)
Lucky United have Ronaldo who always does it in the big games ::)
Listen big games , Man U , The Gunners ,Chelsea,,the big games .Watch this weekend , he will be missing,anderson showed him up last time ,scholes will do it this time, best thing for liverpool is a draw or a steal 1.0. Don't think it will happen .Utd have a bite same as chelsea ,u scouscers don't just have it right now , too much inhose shit going on . :-*
Come on theeeeee devils ;D
Do Man U fans think games against Arsenal and Chelsea in the league are bigger than, er, the European Cup final? I hope so, I really do.
And of course United have never stolen a 1-0 over Liverpool... ::)
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on March 17, 2008, 07:54:13 PM
Listen big games , Man U , The Gunners ,Chelsea,,the big games .Watch this weekend , he will be missing,anderson showed him up last time ,scholes will do it this time, best thing for liverpool is a draw or a steal 1.0. Don't think it will happen .Utd have a bite same as chelsea ,u scouscers don't just have it right now , too much inhose shit going on . :-*
Come on theeeeee devils ;D
You'd know it's the school holidays alright.
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on March 17, 2008, 07:54:13 PM
Listen big games , Man U , The Gunners ,Chelsea,,the big games .Watch this weekend , he will be missing,anderson showed him up last time ,scholes will do it this time, best thing for liverpool is a draw or a steal 1.0. Don't think it will happen .Utd have a bite same as chelsea ,u scouscers don't just have it right now , too much inhose shit going on . :-*
Come on theeeeee devils ;D
Who is this muppet?? Please go back to hoganstand or go to your bed you child. The youth of today, are the schools now teaching you to write in text message format??
Quote from: deiseach on March 17, 2008, 08:29:57 PM
Do Man U fans think games against Arsenal and Chelsea in the league are bigger than, er, the European Cup final? I hope so, I really do.
I do!
am i nuts?
Quote from: Uladh on March 18, 2008, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: deiseach on March 17, 2008, 08:29:57 PM
Do Man U fans think games against Arsenal and Chelsea in the league are bigger than, er, the European Cup final? I hope so, I really do.
I do!
am i nuts?
You would prefer to win three points against Arsenal or Chelsea that to win the European Cup?
Really?
Quote from: Uladh on March 18, 2008, 02:44:04 PM
Quote from: deiseach on March 17, 2008, 08:29:57 PM
Do Man U fans think games against Arsenal and Chelsea in the league are bigger than, er, the European Cup final? I hope so, I really do.
I do!
am i nuts?
So you would rather have beat arsenal than Bayern Munich in 99? ???
United have never lost a European final so its hard for United fans to comprehend what it would be like. ;D
Ara Seanie, ye don't get to too many. :D
I swap 9 points against Liverpool, arsenal and chelsea, which would virtually guarantee the league title again, for progressing against roma.
of course i don't have to swap and all things are possible
I think Fergie would prefer to win the CL
Quote from: Laois Lad on March 19, 2008, 12:04:26 PM
I think Fergie would prefer to win the CL
Thought you were on strike or something? Anyway Im glad to see you back for a bit of slagging :D
Quote from: Laois Lad on March 19, 2008, 12:04:26 PM
I think Fergie would prefer to win the CL
Welcome Back LL!
Now Im confused(http://www.jon44w.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/banghead.gif)
Ah no! Now there's two of him!
What are the odds on two Laois lads signing on as members within a few minutes of each other.
Which one is the better half?
05 final on 448 at the moment.
Two Laois Lads! :D
Would the real one please stand up.
:D :D :D I always thought LL had a split personality ;) anyway they can look on the bright side and share Debbie ;)
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 19, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
:D :D :D I always thought LL had a split personality ;) anyway they can look on the bright side and share Debbie ;)
Aye, they don't have to make a decision between the goat and debbie now!
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 19, 2008, 03:18:20 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on March 19, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
:D :D :D I always thought LL had a split personality ;) anyway they can look on the bright side and share Debbie ;)
Aye, they don't have to make a decision between the goat and debbie now!
Rock, scissors , paper should sort out who gets what ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2008, 09:09:40 AM
United have never lost a European final so its hard for United fans to comprehend what it would be like. ;D
How many semi-finals have Man U lost? Just asking.
Quote from: deiseach on March 19, 2008, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 19, 2008, 09:09:40 AM
United have never lost a European final so its hard for United fans to comprehend what it would be like. ;D
How many semi-finals have Man U lost? Just asking.
7 as far as i know 56/57, 57/58, 65/66, 68/69, 96/97, 01/02 and 06/07
Liverpool have lost one semi final ( as far as i now) 1964/65 v Inter.....it has been claimed that the Ref for the return tie was bought! :(
He wasn't bought. He was rented.
Quote7 as far as i know 56/57, 57/58, 65/66, 68/69, 96/97, 01/02 and 06/07
Throw in a Cup Winners Cup in 83/84 and Fairs Cup in 64/65 to complete the tale of United's European semi final woe over the years.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2008, 09:37:09 AM
Quote7 as far as i know 56/57, 57/58, 65/66, 68/69, 96/97, 01/02 and 06/07
Throw in a Cup Winners Cup in 83/84 and Fairs Cup in 64/65 to complete the tale of United's European semi final woe over the years.
Who beat them in the ECWC in 84? I certainly would have watched it, but can't remember it.
As for
Saturday Sunday, I'd imagine the Liverpool team will largely pick itself. Mascho and Alonso in the holding roles, Babel and Kuyt out wide with Gerrard supporting Torres down the middle.
Only in defence are places up for grabs. Going on recent selections it would seem Aurelio is rated ahead of Riise for left back, which I agree with - though being dropped has improved Riise's form, so I wouldnt mind too much either way. With Finnan out (I think) it'll either be Carra or Arbeloa at full back. Arbeloa's confidence and form has dipped dramatically since he had those few games at centre half around the turn of the year, but I'd still much prefer to see him (in his best position) than Carragher at right back. If thats the case then there'll be one final place between Sami and the Skirt. And despite a few errors he's made, I'd probably plump for the Slovak.
Quote from: Hound on March 20, 2008, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2008, 09:37:09 AM
Quote7 as far as i know 56/57, 57/58, 65/66, 68/69, 96/97, 01/02 and 06/07
Throw in a Cup Winners Cup in 83/84 and Fairs Cup in 64/65 to complete the tale of United's European semi final woe over the years.
Who beat them in the ECWC in 84? I certainly would have watched it, but can't remember it.
As for Saturday, I'd imagine the Liverpool team will largely pick itself. Mascho and Alonso in the holding roles, Babel and Kuyt out wide with Gerrard supporting Torres down the middle.
Only in defence are places up for grabs. Going on recent selections it would seem Aurelio is rated ahead of Riise for left back, which I agree with - though being dropped has improved Riise's form, so I wouldnt mind too much either way. With Finnan out (I think) it'll either be Carra or Arbeloa at full back. Arbeloa's confidence and form has dipped dramatically since he had those few games at centre half around the turn of the year, but I'd still much prefer to see him (in his best position) than Carragher at right back. If thats the case then there'll be one final place between Sami and the Skirt. And despite a few errors he's made, I'd probably plump for the Slovak.
If Skrtel is picked, and I think he will be, he'd better not feck around with the ball, trying to be Franco Baresi or Alan Hansen. Rooney will harrass him to death, and he'll give up a clear cut chance.
By the way, the game is on Sunday isn't it? I have to plan my weekend drinking :D
Sorry- Sunday is right!
QuoteWho beat them in the ECWC in 84? I certainly would have watched it, but can't remember it.
Juventus of Boniek, Rossi, Tardelli, Gentile, Cabrini and a certain Frenchman called Platini. United had just completed an epic comback against Maradona's Barcelona in the last round (won 3-0 at home after a 0-2 in Nou Camp). The semi was 1-1 in OT and lost 1-2 in Turin. That was a pretty good United team in those days but they never had enough consistency under Ron to take the title.
Quote from: Hound on March 20, 2008, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2008, 09:37:09 AM
Quote7 as far as i know 56/57, 57/58, 65/66, 68/69, 96/97, 01/02 and 06/07
Throw in a Cup Winners Cup in 83/84 and Fairs Cup in 64/65 to complete the tale of United's European semi final woe over the years.
Who beat them in the ECWC in 84? I certainly would have watched it, but can't remember it.
As for Saturday Sunday, I'd imagine the Liverpool team will largely pick itself. Mascho and Alonso in the holding roles, Babel and Kuyt out wide with Gerrard supporting Torres down the middle.
Only in defence are places up for grabs. Going on recent selections it would seem Aurelio is rated ahead of Riise for left back, which I agree with - though being dropped has improved Riise's form, so I wouldnt mind too much either way. With Finnan out (I think) it'll either be Carra or Arbeloa at full back. Arbeloa's confidence and form has dipped dramatically since he had those few games at centre half around the turn of the year, but I'd still much prefer to see him (in his best position) than Carragher at right back. If thats the case then there'll be one final place between Sami and the Skirt. And despite a few errors he's made, I'd probably plump for the Slovak.
Well carragher, skrtel & arbeloa have all stated the last 3 league games so I dont expect him to change that. ;)
That would leave riise to battle it out with aurelio for left back as you say. Think I'd just about give the brazilian the nod. The rest of the team should pick itself and a big improvement is expected from the last meeting between the two sides. Certainly, you'd hope kuyt will be able to stop evra making those runs which did so much damage in anfield.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 20, 2008, 12:32:36 PM
QuoteWho beat them in the ECWC in 84? I certainly would have watched it, but can't remember it.
Juventus of Boniek, Rossi, Tardelli, Gentile, Cabrini and a certain Frenchman called Platini. United had just completed an epic comback against Maradona's Barcelona in the last round (won 3-0 at home after a 0-2 in Nou Camp). The semi was 1-1 in OT and lost 1-2 in Turin. That was a pretty good United team in those days but they never had enough consistency under Ron to take the title.
That United team was a good one alright. Looked world beaters at times, but were up against an excellent, and as you say more consistent, Liverpool side. The funny thing was that Ron never even got a second place spot, with the likes of Ipswich, Watford and Southampton pushing them down the pecking order. Although in those days it was definitely first was first and second was nowhere, as there were no champions league consolation spots.
Yeah, I think that on a few occasions results tailed off badly when the title was lost and they finished 4th a few times in the end. No doubt Robbo and the boys started the summer hols a bit early in those days!
Speaking of tailing off, I remember one of those seasons in the early 80s (82-83?) when Liverpool won the title with seven games left. They took two points from their final seven matches and still won it by more than 10 points!
Hellooooooo anyone in here :D :D :D :D
Now, now devil, poor minder etc will prob come on our thread and call you everything under the sun but you don't mind do you? Poor Liverpool. ;D ;D ;D
Totally gutted watching the match today, horrific to watch if your a liverpool man. What has annoyed me so much is having watched the 2 games this season against the scum, Torres has been kicked around the park by Ferdinand and Vidic with no protection whatsoever from the referees (to be expected, its united after all) but more worringly from his Liverpool team-mates. I think the 2 central defenders have adopted the physical approach with Torres this season which is fair enough and to be expected, but i would like to see the Liverpool defenders doing the same on the likes of Rooney (was outstanding today i though by the way). I thought the central defence of Liverpool was all over the place, they where caught out 3 or 4 times with simple long balls over the top and did not look comfortable all day in anything they done. As much as i like Carragher, i think he is starting to slow and is not the dominate force he once was at the back. To me its looks like Agger, when he is back, will partner Skertal as we need to build for the future.
Really? I don't think Torres got any bad treatment at all yesterday, Vidic made some great tackles on him but all looked fair to me.
Masch should never of been sent off. If that was the way referees act then Terry or Rooney would never have finished a match. Having said that he was like a grumpy bollix yesterday and would of been sent off at some stage.
I actually thought we played well before they scored and even at 1-0 we were doing ok. Rooney is not clinical for me, the fact that he creates ten chances for himself is what keeps him in the world class bracket.
Referee made a disgraceful decision that ruined the game.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on March 23, 2008, 07:04:04 PM
I thought the central defence of Liverpool was all over the place, they where caught out 3 or 4 times with simple long balls over the top and did not look comfortable all day in anything they done. As much as i like Carragher, i think he is starting to slow and is not the dominate force he once was at the back. To me its looks like Agger, when he is back, will partner Skertal as we need to build for the future.
I agree, DD12. Carragher, I thought, had a mare and think his performances are beginning to tail off, very worrying, particularly in the absence of Agger. Rooney, however, would cause problems for most defences and only for Reina would have had a hatful.
I'm not sure if I would subscribe to the idea that Torres was kicked around the place by Ferd/Vidic. I just thought lumping balls up to Torres, on his own against a quality defence, was crazy. He got no help whatsoever and I think Crouch could have helped him. The sending off didn't allow Rafa to bring him on though.
Although the sending off (and Torres' yellow) were harsh, I think it was important to note that the referees were going to cut down on backchat considering what happened with Ashley Cole. Saying that, how many times can Rooney get away with telling the ref to f*uck off and not get a yellow??
Quote from: corn02 on March 24, 2008, 01:18:28 PM
Really? I don't think Torres got any bad treatment at all yesterday, Vidic made some great tackles on him but all looked fair to me.
Masch should never of been sent off. If that was the way referees act then Terry or Rooney would never have finished a match. Having said that he was like a grumpy bollix yesterday and would of been sent off at some stage.
I actually thought we played well before they scored and even at 1-0 we were doing ok. Rooney is not clinical for me, the fact that he creates ten chances for himself is what keeps him in the world class bracket.
Referee made a disgraceful decision that ruined the game.
Dont know what the f**k was up with masch yesterday. He seemed to have the head lost from the first minute. And he should have known how the ref was going to act after the ashley cole incident. The first yellow should have been a wake up call for him. On saying all that, the ref dished out 2 yellows in the space of 30 secs for dissent. Thats more than has been given to some of the loud mouths in chelsea all season, so masch can feel a bit hard done by. I dont necessarily agree it was a disgraceful decision though.
Thought we started alright yesterday but slowly man u started to take control - it may have been a gift of a goal but it was coming. Reina, Carra & Gerrard seemed to be asleep for most of the first half and we just allowed utd take the initiative. Have rarely seen a liverpool team so lethargic. At 1-0 down we were still in it but the sending off ended the game. The 2nd half isnt a fair reflection on the differences between the 2 teams but for me, the first half once again proved that we are 2-3 top players away from competing with the top teams.
important to win the derby next week and get some confidence back before the 3 arse games.
QuoteMasch should never of been sent off. If that was the way referees act then Terry or Rooney would never have finished a match. Having said that he was like a grumpy bollix yesterday and would of been sent off at some stage.
How can anyone say he shouldn't have been sent off? Was the ref suppose to put up with the grinning p***k in his face all day? He was on a yellow and ran 20 yards to give out to a referee that was after awarding a free kick to his team? WHY? and that's not even considering what he was at before that. I think the ref would have been forgiven for decking the stupid bollocks.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 24, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
He was on a yellow and ran 20 yards to give out to a referee that was after awarding a free kick to his team?
Only he didn't - he rushed over after he seen Torres getting booked
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 24, 2008, 02:15:46 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 24, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
He was on a yellow and ran 20 yards to give out to a referee that was after awarding a free kick to his team?
Only he didn't - he rushed over after he seen Torres getting booked
What's the difference?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 24, 2008, 02:18:46 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 24, 2008, 02:15:46 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 24, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
He was on a yellow and ran 20 yards to give out to a referee that was after awarding a free kick to his team?
Only he didn't - he rushed over after he seen Torres getting booked
What's the difference?
The difference is that it was a crazy decision to book torres. If everyone got booked for doing what torres did, most lge games would end up 5 asides. Thats why masch lost the head. Not because of the free kick, like you said.
Quote from: hardstation on March 24, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
His second yellow was nothing to do with 2 yellows in 30 seconds. His second yellow was for acting the dick for 30 minutes. What a whinging cnut. How many times did he rush over to slabber with the ref?
And that's after he was booked (I see Rafa claiming that wasn't a booking........ :-\). Sorry lads, you can have no complaints about that.
Im not complaining about masch's sending off. he deserved to go for sheer stupidity alone. But a bit of consistency by referees isnt much to ask for? FFS it was man u v 'pool, of course there was going to be some agro. so in that context, 2 yellows in 30secs for dissent is ridiculous. Jaysus, before yesterdays game Liverpool had the best disciplinary record in the PL.
QuoteThe difference is that it was a crazy decision to book torres. If everyone got booked for doing what torres did, most lge games would end up 5 asides. Thats why masch lost the head. Not because of the free kick, like you said.
Neither Torres or Masch had reason to start yappng, liverpool were after getting their free kick. Masch was acting the w**ker long before that too.
Masch deserved to go yesterday. If he hadnt been sent off when he was he would have gone shortly after. After he got booked he gave away two frees as well as mouthing off at every opportunity.
If the ref had done his job correctly Torres would have gone for the late tackle on Vidic.
Yesterday showed the gulf in class between Utd & the scousers.
liverpool still have a long way to go before they even consider breaking into the top 3 ;)
agree with you full back torres should have went
Quote from: pintsofguinness on March 24, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
QuoteMasch should never of been sent off. If that was the way referees act then Terry or Rooney would never have finished a match. Having said that he was like a grumpy bollix yesterday and would of been sent off at some stage.
How can anyone say he shouldn't have been sent off? Was the ref suppose to put up with the grinning p***k in his face all day? He was on a yellow and ran 20 yards to give out to a referee that was after awarding a free kick to his team? WHY? and that's not even considering what he was at before that. I think the ref would have been forgiven for decking the stupid bollocks.
He wasn't complaining about the free-kick. He asked Bennett "what was that for?" after he booked Torres for getting hacked down for the 4th time in 20 minutes.
Masch was mouting off quite a bit although nothing you don't see players doing in many games and getting away with it. In fact when he came over to Bennett after he booked Torres he was actually quite placid. He wasn't aggressive or anything. He asked why was Torres getting booked and Bennett straight away got the yellow card out again. Masch was stupid as Bennett was itching to make an example of someone after the Ashley Cole incident where he was the 4th official. After watching Torres get kicked up and down the park the entire first half he lost it when he saw Bennett book Torres for asking for some protection. he'll know better next time. Hopefully.
QuoteHe wasn't complaining about the free-kick. He asked Bennett "what was that for?" after he booked Torres for getting hacked down for the 4th time in 20 minutes.
and what business was it of his? He ran 20 yards to mouth at the referee AGAIN! and him on a yellow card as it was.
It doesn't matter that he had a stupid grin on his face (that just makes you want to slap him), he was being a right w**ker and there's no way any ref should have to listen to that the whole game.
QuoteAfter watching Torres get kicked up and down the park the entire first half he lost it
I must have been watching a different game. Torres kicked up and down the park? Me hole. Liverpool should have been down to ten men earlier when Carragher should have been sent off for the foul on Rooney.
Bad weekend for you GBB. I'm getting quite used to Sligo winning championship games against Galway at this stage!
Can someone point out when Torres was kicked up & down the park?
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 24, 2008, 06:22:43 PM
QuoteAfter watching Torres get kicked up and down the park the entire first half he lost it
I must have been watching a different game. Torres kicked up and down the park? Me hole. Liverpool should have been down to ten men earlier when Carragher should have been sent off for the foul on Rooney.
Bad weekend for you GBB. I'm getting quite used to Sligo winning championship games against Galway at this stage!
Torres came in for some rough treatment. Surely you boys aren't denying that much? When he was fouled that time when Bennett booked him for daring to ask for protection it was the 4th time he was fouled in something like 20 minutes.
As for Sligo winning even the sun shines on a dog's hole every now and then. ;D
NEWS FLASH: Torres cant do it in the big games ;D
This is bullshit about torres getting kicked around the park...Rio put him in his pocket again
Why wasn't Stevie G playing yesterday? LL is Carra still better than Rio?
Quote from: new devil on March 24, 2008, 06:58:04 PM
NEWS FLASH: Torres cant do it in the big games ;D
This is bullshit about torres getting kicked around the park...Rio put him in his pocket again
Why wasn't Stevie G playing yesterday? LL is Carra still better than Rio?
Think he proved in the San Siro that he can
Gerrard was playing yesterday. Was the game on too early for you - and your eyes were a bit strained?
Quote from: new devil on March 24, 2008, 06:58:04 PM
NEWS FLASH: Torres cant do it in the big games ;D
This is bullshit about torres getting kicked around the park...Rio put him in his pocket again
Why wasn't Stevie G playing yesterday? LL is Carra still better than Rio?
Stevie G was the only man that semed to be capable of taking a shot on the liverpool side. He played alright.
Mascherano was asking for it yesterday. Benitez should have told him to shut his mouth long before the sending off. Mouthing off to the referee like that when on a yellow was just pure stupidity.
Have to hold my hands up and say United were by far the better team yesterday! Even before the sending off United should have been out of sight, Liverpool gave away to much possesion and were defending far to deep. As for Alonso's defending against Ronaldo for his goal, pathetic! Hope this result doesnt knock the stuffing out of us as the schedule in the next few weeks is pretty tough to say the least!
Cant defend Masc for what he done either he had to go, been guilty of the same offence myself a few times :-[
Agree Carman, they were so sloppy with the ball in the first half hour and were really jittery at the back. Masch was asking for trouble alright but the incident reinforced for me how weak and pathetic an indivisual Steve Bennett is......How you can play Kuyt as a right winger is beyond me as he has no pace.....
Quote from: Minder on March 24, 2008, 08:56:14 PM
Agree Carman, they were so sloppy with the ball in the first half hour and were really jittery at the back. Masch was asking for trouble alright but the incident reinforced for me how weak and pathetic an indivisual Steve Bennett is......How you can play Kuyt as a right winger is beyond me as he has no pace.....
He makes me sick :'(
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 24, 2008, 09:05:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 24, 2008, 08:56:14 PM
Agree Carman, they were so sloppy with the ball in the first half hour and were really jittery at the back. Masch was asking for trouble alright but the incident reinforced for me how weak and pathetic an indivisual Steve Bennett is......How you can play Kuyt as a right winger is beyond me as he has no pace.....
He makes me sick :'(
No harm but if i was in charge of Liverpool, i would take my financial loss on Kuyt and give him away to some other club for free, he really does not provide anything to the Liverpool cause!!!
Not only that, he will cost Liverpool dear if he continues to play. He'll miss a guilt edged chance or lose possession that will cost us a goal. You usually don't hear his name without the words "poor first touch" afterwards. Couch must be considering his position if he continues to be left out.
Alonso continues to be poor, I think in the summer Liverpool need to sell Alonso, Riise and hopefully Carson to build up a budget to buy the players we need.
There's quite a number of players who could get the road again this summer. Alonso wouldn't be one of them for me, even if he hasn't played the best of late, although I suppose he could bring in a bit of money. The turnover at Liverpool has been very high over the past few years though, and it seems that every season they have to spend two months getting the new players bedded in. I'd stick with Alonso and get rid of the likes of Kewell, Riise, Crouch, Voronin and so on. Kuyt I'm not sure about. He has been awful this season and is certainly not a right midfielder, but I thought he had a good season last year and maybe he needs to be given a bit of time to get his form back. They should probably take the money if anyone is buying though. Its hard to know what will happen - perhaps some of these numerous youngsters who have been brought in and are doing well in the reserves and youth teams or on loan will make a breakthrough, but unless some more very serious money is spent on high-fee, top class players, does anyone really think that Liverpool are going to push on and find the level United and Chelsea are at? Yet another three or four Benayouns or Gonzalez's are not going to make the difference.
Seriously though - who in the present squad is good enough for a championship run?
For me, from the regular line-up:
Reina (some costly mistakes on Sunday all right, but he has been an excellent buy overall)
Agger (maybe the jury is still out, particularly with his long term injuries, but I've been impressed)
Carragher (been poor enough by his standards this season, but he's been outstanding overall over the past four or five years)
Mascherano
Alonso (has the talent, even if his form has been patchy of late)
Gerrard
Torres
Potential:
Babel
Lucas
Skrtel
Adequate squad players:
Aurelio
Arbeloa
Finnan
Benayoun
Crouch
Disposable:
Voronin
Pennant
Kuyt
Riise
Carson
Kewell
Hyypia
It doesn't make pretty reading, does it?
Not been smart lads, but the last couple of seasons has seen Liverpool fans transcending through a cycle, of new found optimism and 'this is the year', through to doom and gloom and a who's for the chop, back to a few summer buys and it's 'this is the year' again!
Do you think that winning the CL was the worst thing that could've happened to a degree? It bought Benitez a few years, and perhaps too many players got into a comfort zone. Living off past glories as such.
J70, agree with everything you say there. In my opinion we need a quality right sided midfielder (how long have we been looking for one??), a central midfielder & an attacking full back.
You could then have a team consisting of:
reina
arbeloa, carra, skrtel, AN other
AN other, masch, AN other, Babel
Gerrard
Torres
Would need quality signings, but I think that team with some part time roles for agger, finnan, aurelio, benny & alonso would compete with the best.
along with the disposables you mentioned, i think crouch will definitely go. 6 PL starts all season must be pi**ing him off big time.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on March 25, 2008, 07:11:22 AM
Do you think that winning the CL was the worst thing that could've happened to a degree? It bought Benitez a few years, and perhaps too many players got into a comfort zone. Living off past glories as such.
Probably some truth in that Norf but still, I'd shudder to think where we'd be without the money from winning the CL. The financial state of the club is bad enough without that bonus.
Fair play to ye Carmen... you've summed it up about right!
I can't remember seeing Torres get kicked once! Scholsey may have has a nibble just before the red card, but he came away with the ball!!!
Torres is a quality player, no doubt... but to be left alone against Rio & Vidic (Statistically the best defence in the league!) was crazy! Even Rooney would struggle against those 2 (though he prospered against Carra & Skits).
I've said it once & I'm going to have to say it again Mascherano is Useless! - He never got a kick when he was on the field, consistently fouled & mouthed & consequently got himself sent off to give his team no chance of competing!
I thought Steven G or Carragher should have pulled Mascherano aside!
Fergie got the tactic spot on again!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on March 25, 2008, 08:35:33 AM
Mascherano is Useless!
catch yourself on.
as usual the media are on the pools case with talk of 100k fines and 3 game bans, bentitez has to go, liverpool in crisis, etc etc
he had a bad day at the office, but i think reason for his second booking was - he seen the foul on torres, but momentarily he looked away and missed torres complaining to the ref (and legitimately as he was getting roughed up) but as mascherano looked back he seen torres getting booked and says to himself what the f**k ?! and then he loses it altogether, who wouldnt if he thought torres got booked for being fouled !?
aside from that v disappointing...thats the premier league for you though...its a mix of everything....roll on champions league
Quote from: Abble on March 25, 2008, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on March 25, 2008, 08:35:33 AM
Mascherano is Useless!
catch yourself on.
as usual the media are on the pools case with talk of 100k fines and 3 game bans, bentitez has to go, liverpool in crisis, etc etc
he had a bad day at the office, but i think reason for his second booking was - he seen the foul on torres, but momentarily he looked away and missed torres complaining to the ref (and legitimately as he was getting roughed up) but as mascherano looked back he seen torres getting booked and says to himself what the f**k ?! and then he loses it altogether, who wouldnt if he thought torres got booked for being fouled !?
aside from that v disappointing...thats the premier league for you though...its a mix of everything....roll on champions league
2 words!
Neil Lennon!
Hello delusionists,
Have to say Goats Do Shave you're consistent, I still agree with you too.....
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11.2685 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11.2685)
Yeah, all the Liverpool fans and the media and Javier Zanetti have been fooled by the trickster Mascherano. Delusionists my arse.
I think delusionist refers to the fact that some Liverpool fans say this is our year, every year. I think their numbers are dwindlng as experience crushes optimism like a rose petal in a vice.
One year we will be right though :)
All Liverpool fans or some Liverpool fans? There is nothing wrong with being optimistic, but I think most on the board are realistic enough.
I think so too J70, but I'm sure we've all read the 'This is our year' stuff. Dinny just uses it as a brickbat to take away from his beloved Gooners collapsing every so often :D
QuoteDinny just uses it as a brickbat to take away from his beloved Gooners collapsing every so often
:D
Us Goons accept our failings and move on though, did you not know Arsene Knows!!!!!!
In fairness AZ (and J70), while Arsenal couldn't cope with route one football (and Chelsea's physical strength), Liverpool didn't seem to be able to cope with anything Utd threw at them and were flattered by the scoreline.
Liverpool were wicked. Where did anyone say otherwise? I certainly didn't, and I don't have the stomach to even get into it yet. Suffice to say that it could have been 5 at least.
In my usual cack-handed way, I was trying to say that while Arsenal might feel a little hard done by, Liverpool shouldn't, which I guess you agree with.
I agree totally, especially about Liverpool. I do think Arsenal went into their shell a little after they scored, they seemed to hand the initiative to Chelsea, but Grant's substitutions, Sagna's injury and Chelsea's greater physical strength had a lot to do with it as well.
Just back from Old Trafford and I have to say it was as one sided as the great thrashing decade of the 90's.
6 nil would not have flattered United & Gerrard virtually a spectator yet again.
80% possession even before Mascherano petulantly vocalised his distain for his own teams inadequacy to get himself sent off. Some wags might sat he was just lashing out for the fact that Tevez got to go to United while he was forced to make do with Liverpool!l
Reina was probably Liverpool's best player in the 2nd half and since he was partially at fault for the 1st 2 goals that says a lot.
Without doubt Liverpool are as far behind United as they were under either Evans or Houllier.
Record under Rafa - 8 games, 0 wins, 7 losses, 0 liverpool players to score.... what does that say?!?!?!?
QuoteStevie G was the only man that semed to be capable of taking a shot on the liverpool side. He played alright.
???
He did his usual David Copperfield trick against United!
The Everton game has now become a must win game and could be tricky given that Torres is looking doubtfull and moral could not be good after a tanking from UTD....
Quote from: EC Unique on March 26, 2008, 10:58:05 AM
The Everton game has now become a must win game and could be tricky given that Torres is looking doubtfull and moral could not be good after a tanking from UTD....
Torres wil play! Guaranteed!
All this talk of him being hurt was to deflect attention & to get him out of the Spain squad!
I thought it said on TV that he is with the Spain Squad?
Quote from: EC Unique on March 26, 2008, 11:10:12 AM
I thought it said on TV that he is with the Spain Squad?
Mustn't be too much wrong with him then! ;)
It said he was with the Spain squad but was a major doubt for the Spain game and the Liverpool v Everton game but as you say could all be hype. Still a big ask to beat Everton.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2008, 09:11:35 AM
QuoteStevie G was the only man that semed to be capable of taking a shot on the liverpool side. He played alright.
???
He did his usual David Copperfield trick against United!
He hasn't been great in the last few seasons against United, but to say he's never turned up against them is nonsense.
I suppose he did score against the great Barthez many a year ago.
Haven't posted anything on this since the game. Was over in Canterbury with friends watching it in the pub. Have to say, as has been mentioned here, Liverpool weren't in the game at all. I have serious doubts about Skertel. I know it's early so I'll give him time but I don't think he's the answer to our problems in there. Just a pity that Agger is out now for the rest of the year.
The midfield wasn't really firing at all. Alonso looks out of sorts and his tackling leaves alot to be desired!! Masch mustn't have got any the night before cause he was as wound up as I've ever seen him. Deserved to be sent of but someone should have spoken to him (And not that lame attempt of Alonso's either). Gerrard tried but nothing was really coming of for him. I still have big hopes for babel. I believe his second year will be a big one. And then there's Kuyt. Thanks for the help Dirk, much appreciated last year but unless you get some sort of an eye back for a goal then cheerio!!
But I think all the doom and gloom merchants need to chill out a bit, it was one bad game. If you'd said to me eight games ago that we would win 7 and lose one to the champions elect I'd have bit your hand of. Liverpool had a good run there and one bad result doesn't undo all that hard work. As long as we can bounce back and get back to winning ways over Everton then happy days. Sure it would be nice to get a win over the auld enemy but a win this wkend is more important. We need to nail down that 4th spot then anything else is a bonus.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 26, 2008, 12:37:02 PM
I suppose he did score against the great Barthez many a year ago.
I remember him having a great game at Old Trafford one year when he clipped a great ball through for Danny Murphy to score the winner.
Maybe we should just bring back Houllier for the United games? ;D
What really happened at the united game on sunday
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Quote from: The Biff on March 26, 2008, 02:25:19 PM
What really happened at the united game on sunday
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Brilliant :D
Now that was funny and was probably not that far from the truth,is it just me or does Rooney miss some amount of chances,i was gonna say he couldnt score in a brothel but then . . . . .
Rooney is missing a lot of one on ones at the moment, which is a real sign of a lad struggling for confidence in front of the net. However, you'd have to think he'll score a shot or something, and the goals will start coming again for him. Which is worrying.
Also, playing up front on his own doesn't suit him at all, but in fairness he's grafting away and getting better at it. It's not the position that made him his name though.
He has hit a barren spell goals wise, but is still playing well and set-up 2 of the goals on Sunday. Once he nicks one the goals will come. As mentioned, he is playing on his own up front, and he performed considerably better than the other striker on the pitch who was in the same role.
Javier Mascherano charged with improper conduct...wonder is he still smiling :D
But you know what is funny - Liverpool FIGHTING for 4th place. Ha!
QuoteNow that was funny and was probably not that far from the truth
Do people actually think about what they type before they post or has that gone out of fashion or something. I'd really worry if someone thought that was anywhere near the truth so it was obviously a mistake in the typing. ::)
Your talking about minder here...he has shown before that he doesn't think before he types 8)
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 26, 2008, 04:21:58 PM
QuoteNow that was funny and was probably not that far from the truth
Do people actually think about what they type before they post or has that gone out of fashion or something. I'd really worry if someone thought that was anywhere near the truth so it was obviously a mistake in the typing. ::)
I think it's probably a reference to Fergie's regular epistles that he sends towards referees before big games. Such as asking for a strong referee or pleading for protection for flair players like Ronaldo while his defenders kick seven shades of shite out of players like Torres. Or indeed I remember Reyes of Arsenal getting booted up and down Old Trafford a couple of years ago too. ;D
5 posts in a row from United fans - ye nearly think ye didn't have a thread of yer own :D
Seanie i thought you had a bit more wit about you,now i would not be a bit surprised if new devil thought i was being serious as that is one thick individual
Rooney is not a great finisher, in or out of form. Never was, and don't think he ever will be.
He scores goals because he is an all-round excellent player, but he's not a real goalscorer.
Spain have started Torres tonight from the start against Italy despite injury concerns. Rafa will be pissed off.
Amazing powers of recovery from Torres after being kicked up and down the park on Saturday to start tonight!
Minder - I knew it couldn't have been for real.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 26, 2008, 10:28:28 PM
Amazing powers of recovery from Torres after being kicked up and down the park on Saturday to start tonight!
Minder - I knew it couldn't have been for real.
Aye he was also kicked up and down the park on Sunday.....
Quote from: Minder on March 26, 2008, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 26, 2008, 10:28:28 PM
Amazing powers of recovery from Torres after being kicked up and down the park on Saturday to start tonight!
Minder - I knew it couldn't have been for real.
Aye he was also kicked up and down the park on Sunday.....
Wonder how his bruised ribs & bruised ankles coped?
Hard to believe Liverpool fans are listening to Benitez excuses!!
WAKE UP HE HASN'T A CLUE!!!
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Quote from: Minder on March 26, 2008, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 26, 2008, 10:28:28 PM
Amazing powers of recovery from Torres after being kicked up and down the park on Saturday to start tonight!
Minder - I knew it couldn't have been for real.
Aye he was also kicked up and down the park on Sunday.....
Wonder how his bruised ribs & bruised ankles coped?
Hard to believe Liverpool fans are listening to Benitez excuses!!
WAKE UP HE HASN'T A CLUE!!!
You may be right, but way back in 1990 when a mid-table trophyless Ferguson was 4 years at Man u, Fans and critics were shouting the same.
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Quote from: Minder on March 26, 2008, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 26, 2008, 10:28:28 PM
Amazing powers of recovery from Torres after being kicked up and down the park on Saturday to start tonight!
Minder - I knew it couldn't have been for real.
Aye he was also kicked up and down the park on Sunday.....
Wonder how his bruised ribs & bruised ankles coped?
Hard to believe Liverpool fans are listening to Benitez excuses!!
WAKE UP HE HASN'T A CLUE!!!
You may be right, but way back in 1990 when a mid-table trophyless Ferguson was 4 years at Man u, Fans and critics were shouting the same.
Yeah,
because you can see Rafa leading the scousers to dominate English football for the next 20 years :D :D :D
Back in 1990, when Mark Robbins saved Alex Ferguson's job by getting an equaliser against Nottingham Forest in a cup game, did you see Alex leading United to dominating English Football for 20 years?
I doubt it.
AZ,
I can assure you rafa wont be leading the scousers to 20 years of dominance
Unless you win the CL he wont even be there at the start of next season
Quote from: full back on March 27, 2008, 01:30:42 PM
Unless you win the CL he wont even be there at the start of next season
You know this for a fact do you?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 27, 2008, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: full back on March 27, 2008, 01:30:42 PM
Unless you win the CL he wont even be there at the start of next season
You know this for a fact do you?
Do you think he will be still there if he wins nothing GBB?
I have a sizeable bet with a Manyoo supporting friend that Slur Alex won't win a CL title with United again. I also offered him a bet that Rafa would a PL title, which he declined.
I remain confident in the first bet and happy enough that he didn't take the second one purely because he may not be allowed to stay the term to win a PL.
This bet was made at Christmas.
Quote from: full back on March 27, 2008, 01:45:47 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 27, 2008, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: full back on March 27, 2008, 01:30:42 PM
Unless you win the CL he wont even be there at the start of next season
You know this for a fact do you?
Do you think he will be still there if he wins nothing GBB?
I think he most likely will be there next season yes unless Tom Hicks and himself have another run in. Which is always possible but Hicks seems more concerned with DIC's takeover attempts at the moment.
There is no great demand amongst the supporters for him to be sacked.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 27, 2008, 01:27:53 PM
Back in 1990, when Mark Robbins saved Alex Ferguson's job by getting an equaliser against Nottingham Forest in a cup game, did you see Alex leading United to dominating English Football for 20 years?
I doubt it.
Half of them are asking Mark who?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on Today at 01:27:53 PM
Back in 1990, when Mark Robbins saved Alex Ferguson's job by getting an equaliser against Nottingham Forest in a cup game, did you see Alex leading United to dominating English Football for 20 years?
I doubt it.
Half of them are asking Mark who?
Never heard of him. I do remember Mark Robins though.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2008, 03:29:04 PM
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Quote from: AZOffaly on Today at 01:27:53 PM
Back in 1990, when Mark Robbins saved Alex Ferguson's job by getting an equaliser against Nottingham Forest in a cup game, did you see Alex leading United to dominating English Football for 20 years?
I doubt it.
Half of them are asking Mark who?
Never heard of him. I do remember Mark Robins though.
I remember seeing something recently that he's went into management.
Mark Robins is in charge of Rotherham. Roddy Collins is looking to boot him out and take over as manager as a mate of his is buying the club.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on March 27, 2008, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2008, 03:29:04 PM
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Quote from: AZOffaly on Today at 01:27:53 PM
Back in 1990, when Mark Robbins saved Alex Ferguson's job by getting an equaliser against Nottingham Forest in a cup game, did you see Alex leading United to dominating English Football for 20 years?
I doubt it.
Half of them are asking Mark who?
Never heard of him. I do remember Mark Robins though.
I remember seeing something recently that he's went into management.
Yes, he is Assistant Cereal Manager in the new Asda store in Maccelsfield ;)
I remember another young United player at the time, Simon Davies??? Never looked a player but he made a few appearances at the time. Did he ever do anything in the game i.e make a living from it. Always remember the bloke cause he had nothing, pace, skill, guille, reckless tackles, workrate. He was a Nunez.
Aye, I remember him - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Davies_%28footballer_born_1974%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Davies_%28footballer_born_1974%29)
What about Ben Thornley aswell, was hyped up but unlucky with injuries. I remember Erik Nevland, now at Fulham, being proclaimed as the next big thing after he scored 3 hat-tricks in succession for United while on trial.
Fergusons 5th yearin charge of Man u!!!! Impressive!!
1. * ARSENAL (C) 38 15 4 0 51 10 9 9 1 23 8 83
2. Liverpool 38 14 3 2 42 13 9 4 6 35 27 76
3. Crystal Palace 38 11 6 2 26 17 9 3 7 24 24 69
4. Leeds United 38 12 2 5 46 23 7 5 7 19 24 64
5. Manchester City 38 12 3 4 35 25 5 8 6 29 28 62
6. * Manchester United 38 11 4 4 34 17 5 8 6 24 28 59
7. Wimbledon 38 8 6 5 28 22 6 8 5 25 24 56
8. Nottingham Forest 38 11 4 4 42 21 3 8 8 23 29 54
9. Everton 38 9 5 5 26 15 4 7 8 24 31 51
10. Tottenham Hotspur 38 8 9 2 35 22 3 7 9 16 28 49
11. Chelsea 38 10 6 3 33 25 3 4 12 25 44 49
12. Queen's Park Rangers 38 8 5 6 27 22 4 5 10 17 31 46
13. Sheffield United 38 9 3 7 23 23 4 4 11 13 32 46
14. Southampton 38 9 6 4 33 22 3 3 13 25 47 45
15. Norwich City 38 9 3 7 27 32 4 3 12 14 32 45
16. Coventry City 38 10 6 3 30 16 1 5 13 12 33 44
17. Aston Villa 38 7 9 3 29 25 2 5 12 17 33 41
18. Luton Town 38 7 5 7 22 18 3 2 14 20 43 37
19. SUNDERLAND (R) 38 6 6 7 15 16 2 4 13 23 44 34
20. DERBY COUNTY (R) 38 3 8 8 25 36 2 1 16 12 39 24
Ferguson took over a near bottom of the table United side and transformed them. Benitez took over a top 4 side and at present they are struglling to maintain that position - great progress.
It did take him six years to win anything - and that might not have happened if not for Eric Cantona's misdemeanour at Leeds and subsequent move to Old Trafford.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2008, 04:16:35 PM
Ferguson took over a near bottom of the table United side and transformed them. Benitez took over a top 4 side and at present they are struglling to maintain that position - great progress.
Yeah, Man u were well off the pace (Bottom of the league) under atkinson at the end of the 1985/86 Season ;)
P W D L F A GD Pts
1 Liverpool 42 26 10 6 89 37 +52 88
2 Everton 42 26 8 8 87 41 +46 86
3 West Ham United 42 26 6 10 74 40 +34 84
4 Manchester United 42 22 10 10 70 36 +34 76 5 Sheffield Wednesday 42 21 10 11 63 54 +9 73
6 Chelsea 42 20 11 11 57 56 +1 71
7 Arsenal 42 20 9 13 49 47 +2 69
8 Nottingham Forest 42 19 11 12 69 53 +16 68
9 Luton Town 42 18 12 12 61 44 +17 66
10 Tottenham Hotspur 42 19 8 15 74 52 +22 65
11 Newcastle United 42 17 12 13 67 72 -5 63
12 Watford 42 16 11 15 69 62 +7 59
13 Queens Park Rangers 42 15 7 20 53 64 -11 52
14 Southampton 42 12 10 20 51 62 -11 46
15 Manchester City 42 11 12 19 43 57 -14 45
16 Aston Villa 42 10 14 18 51 67 -16 44
17 Coventry City 42 11 10 21 48 71 -23 43
18 Oxford United 42 10 12 20 62 80 -18 42
19 Leicester City 42 10 12 20 54 76 -22 42
20 Ipswich Town 42 11 8 23 32 55 -23 41
21 Birmingham City 42 8 5 29 30 73 -43 29
22 West Bromwich Albion 42 4 12 26 35 89 -54 24
QuoteYeah, Man u were well off the pace (Bottom of the league) under atkinson at the end of the 1985/86 Season
Ferguaon took over United in November 86, when they were 2nd bottom.
Over their first 4 seasons the bold facts are these:
Benitez:
2006-07 3rd
2005-06 3rd
2004-05 5th
2003-04 4th
Fergie:
1989-90 13th
1988-89 11th
1987-88 2nd
1986-87 11th
The point that Man Utds success over the next near 20 years could not have been predicted is pretty indisputable, pretty much asd no one would have predicted it would take them over 20 years to win a league title after 1967.
Who'd swear soccer ended in '67 and start sometime in 1993.
Yes but Ferguson had inherited the players that finished 4th in 1985/86. Ron Atkinson's United side had looked set for title glory after winning their first 10 games of the season, but a slump in form during the second half of the season ruined their title hopes. 1 October 1985 - Manchester United, still with a 100% record in the First Division, enter October with a 10-point lead in the league. Hardly the run gained by misfits!!! Yes they had a bad run before Fergie came, thats why Atkinson got sacked!!!!
Liverpool had a bad run before Houllier got sacked!!! Thats the way it works!!! Your comparison was that Benitez had inherited a team in a better position. But the stats talk for themselves!!!
Sure the team Fergie inherited were as good as a team that had recently won a treble !?!
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2008, 04:43:43 PM
Sure the team Fergie inherited were as good as a team that had recently won a treble !?!
That is not the argument, sure they were not as good as the team that won the treble. You have gone off on a complete tangent 13 years later. we are talking about 1986. Do you want to come back in 13 year and see how Benitez has done! That is how stupid that remark is!
I meant the Liverpool treble winning team that Benitez inherited.
Hence the use of the term "a" treble not "the" treble as done in 1999.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2008, 04:59:29 PM
I meant the Liverpool treble winning team that Benitez inherited.
Ok they won "a" Treable 3 years before Benitez arrival, but in the real scheme of things they were no closer to Chp Lge and to a larger extent Premiership titles. They were in the exact boat as Utd pre 1986 of being a good Cup side beating top teams here and there, and finishing anywhere in the league. The comparisons of inherited teams are similar!! I am not saying Benitez is the next Ferguson, I am just giving you a context of things. It is hard to put into context something that happened at Man utd 20+ years ago. Ferguson has proven to be one of the strongest human beings in football ever. His knowledge of Players, the game, the Media, referees is untouchable. But this was built on the strength of him getting a few dodgy years to get the foundation right and get his house in order. Ferguson did inherit a team going through a tough patch, but only 6 months earlier were a couple of points off of the title. He was given time and money. Bar Arsene at the Gunners, no other team get that chance in the present game.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on March 27, 2008, 04:29:23 PM
QuoteYeah, Man u were well off the pace (Bottom of the league) under atkinson at the end of the 1985/86 Season
Ferguaon took over United in November 86, when they were 2nd bottom.
Sure the previous season United had finished 4th after leading the league for a big part of the season. The season before that they finished 4th as well the grand total of one point behind Liverpool. They were not a bad side at all when Ferguson took over. Underachieving yes but far from a shambolic outfit.
Things actually got worse under Ferguson first before they started to get better.
QuoteLiverpool co-owners reveal split
Gillett (left) and Hicks have become unpopular among Liverpool fans
Fresh doubts have been raised over the future of Liverpool after co-owner George Gillett revealed relations with partner Tom Hicks are now "unworkable".
BBC Sport understands Hicks is aiming to take sole control of the club, while investment group Dubai International Capital also wants to invest.
But Gillett said: "This partnership has been unworkable for some time.
It means, says Gillett, that selling his share of the club to Hicks is now "an untenable alternative".
He added: "We were very fair. We gave our partner a long period of time to try to make arrangements to buy us out.
"We didn't put pressure on him but he ultimately did not get to the finish line.
"In the meantime, because of the things he said, the fans' reaction has been so negative towards him - and towards us if we sold to him - that has now made that an untenable alternative for us.
"When your public persona is more important than the facts, it's tough to have a rational relationship."
In a lengthy interview with radio station Fan590 in Canada, Gillett went on to say:
"(The fans) do not want him (Hicks) to have any controlling interest in this club - they do not even want him to have any ownership in the club."
"He (Hicks) threatened to block me selling to Dubai - that was certainly one of the things that made the fans upset."
"Lord knows DIC have the money; with oil prices going up every day, that's not an issue. They certainly have the history and they are fans. I think they would have been very responsible owners."
We (Gillett and his family) receive many phone calls in the middle of the night threatening our lives
George Gillett
"It's been very difficult for my wife - we receive many phone calls in the middle of the night threatening our lives - death threats."
"Instead of thinking about selling I might think about buying."
"The pieces on the chess board are moving", regarding his plans for his stake in the club.
However, despite the threats, Gillett revealed he and his son Foster - a club director - intend to travel to England to attend one of the upcoming games against Arsenal next week.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7318780.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7318780.stm)
Welcome to Anfield?
Well thats fourth place sorted,just the minor honours in this years league campaign to be decided. . . . .
Liverpool are away to Arsenal next. Everton are at home to Derby. Nothing is sorted yet.
Quote from: Minder on March 30, 2008, 06:25:14 PM
Well thats fourth place sorted,just the minor honours in this years league campaign to be decided. . . . .
Well done you must be so proud :D :D
Does anyone know did Torres pick up a suspension after getting booked today for the 5th time this season?
If so , what match is he missing?
No he didnt Stiffler, the 5 yellows = suspension is done away with at a certain part of the season, not sure when but we have passed it, he just gets a warning from the FA !
Cheers minder.
Quote from: Minder on March 30, 2008, 10:00:32 PM
No he didnt Stiffler, the 5 yellows = suspension is done away with at a certain part of the season, not sure when but we have passed it, he just gets a warning from the FA !
Think its this day 2 weeks the deadline is minder!
It aint devil,they said in commentary today it had passed
Thought i heard them say during the united game yesterday that it was another two weeks...most of heard wrong!
Nearly sure it's the end of February or so. I think at that stage you need to accrue 7 bookings for a supension, and then at some stage it goes to 9 bookings.
anyone spot the tackle by lee carsley on torres there on last nights highlights ? all studs showing could have broke his leg! should have been a straight red. aside from that not the slickest performance by any means but the fighting spirit was back most important of all before this weeks champions league game
i have a wee feeling the bolton game might have taken a lot out of arsenal there on saturday. its still a toss of a coin though and just looking forward to seeing liverpool battle and letting arsenal know they're in a game first and foremost. an away goal would be sweet and it could happen, arsenal have been a bit leaky recently.
Decent first half performance yesterday, but you can still see the deficiencies. Kuyt works hard (standard comment, always followed by....) BUT his quality is very poor. Babel was in and out, but I have hopes for him next season. This formation suits Gerrard, and he was good, not great, yesterday while Lucas slotted in for Masch, but I felt he was poor.
Skrtel was good, but Everton were woeful going forward, and you get the feeling that a derby game suits Skrtel, he loves those mad slifing challenges and headers. A lad running at him, or moving him around, a lá Rooney is still very uncomfortable for him.
4th place is not secure yet, but Everton also have to face Chelsea and Arsenal, so I'd be a bit more confident than I was on Friday evening. Still a lot of work to be done though.
As for Wednesday night, there's a lot of talk of trying to get a 0-0 up at the Emirates, but I think that would be a mistake. 0-0 at home in the first leg of a European tie is never a bad result, despite what the papers say, and I think Liverpool need to get an away goal. I certainly wouldn't bet against Arsenal coming to Anfield and scoring, so a 1-0 win, or even a 1-1 draw would be good for Liverpool Anything else, apart from variations of a Liverpool win or a score draw, would be a bad result in my opinion.
Carsleys tackle was dangerous alright and was lucky to stay on. On a similar subject I was amazed to see Wengers reaction to Diabt getting sent off (rightly) for a similar tackle to the one Taylor broke Eduardo's leg with. Fierce hypocrite.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 31, 2008, 09:40:43 AM
Carsleys tackle was dangerous alright and was lucky to stay on. On a similar subject I was amazed to see Wengers reaction to Diabt getting sent off (rightly) for a similar tackle to the one Taylor broke Eduardo's leg with. Fierce hypocrite.
Wenger said Diaby desered to go and that he had no complaints.
Saw that Seanie. Did he say anything afterwards? His tut-tut was sickening to look at. The injury doesn;t make the tackle bad, the tackle itself makes the tackle bad. The recipient is just lucky or unlucky in terms of result of the tackle. The Bolton lad was lucky, the Arsenal lad Eduardo was unlucky.
I don't think Diaby's tackle was as high as Taylors, but it was bad.
Quote from: Surreal Steve on March 31, 2008, 09:45:31 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 31, 2008, 09:40:43 AM
Carsleys tackle was dangerous alright and was lucky to stay on. On a similar subject I was amazed to see Wengers reaction to Diabt getting sent off (rightly) for a similar tackle to the one Taylor broke Eduardo's leg with. Fierce hypocrite.
Wenger said Diaby desered to go and that he had no complaints.
I didn't see that Steve. If he did, then fair enough. What was his shaking his head about so? Did he feel the Bolton lad was making a meal of it?
I was on about his reaction immediately afterwards. I'd expected the usual "I didn't see it" reaction in the interview afterwards. At least in fairness to him he said the right thing afterwards.
QuoteOn a similar subject I was amazed to see Wengers reaction to Diabt getting sent off (rightly) for a similar tackle to the one Taylor broke Eduardo's leg with. Fierce hypocrite.
Obviously some people don't read or watch interviews where Wenger said Diaby deserved to go, people really should have their facts straight before coming out with their usual anti-Wenger bullshit...it's amazing how a manager that has seen his team go two goals down and have a player sent off for a stupid tackle is now allowed express any kind of emotion in the immediate aftermath .. ::)
Yes but he made excuses.
"It was a protective tackle". Protective of what I'd like to know??
Don't get me wrong I don't mind Wenger but excuses were made...
Ah Dinny, fair is fair. We've both said fair play if he held his hands up afterwards. What annoyed me looking at it was the contrasts in his reactions to the Taylor and Diaby tackles. When you have been as vociferous about a bad tackle a matter of weeks beforehand, you can't be shaking your head bemusedly when one of your own players gets a red for a bad tackle soon after.
Having said that, he did come out and say Diaby deserved a red card, so fair enough.
Or are you just trying to stir things before Wednesday night? :D
QuoteAh Dinny, fair is fair. We've both said fair play if he held his hands up afterwards. What annoyed me looking at it was the contrasts in his reactions to the Taylor and Diaby tackles. When you have been as vociferous about a bad tackle a matter of weeks beforehand, you can't be shaking your head bemusedly when one of your own players gets a red for a bad tackle soon after.
Fair is fair me bollox, Wenger was getting castigated here because he shook his head after seeing his player get sent off and his side go two goals down yet once he saw the replay he said his player deserved the red card. Wenger initially saw the tackle in real life had no benefit of an action replay even which only showed how bad the tackle was from certain angles. The tackled player once treated actually played on so how was Wenger to know how bad the tackle was?
Wenger has a poor reputation based on the fact that he protects his players and never critisies his players in the media.
QuoteOr are you just trying to stir things before Wednesday night?
Na, I wouldn't normally comment on the delusional thread but I see the delusion is continuing and posters are talking about getting a win at the Emirates. Personally I think it will be a 0-0 at the Emirates, maybe 1-0 to the Arsenal, leaving a very interesting 2nd leg. Liverpool need to play Crouch against Arsenal, the pace of Gallas and Toure will contain Torres but Liverpools long ball game with Crouch in the side will cause Arsenal problems...
This talk of winning this week is very ambitious, I think it is a matter of not letting 3 or 4 in and having something to play for in Anfield!
WTF is wrong with talking about the importance of nicking an away goal at the Emirates? ???
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 31, 2008, 12:33:46 PM
Fair is fair me bollox, Wenger was getting castigated here because he shook his head after seeing his player get sent off and his side go two goals down yet once he saw the replay he said his player deserved the red card. Wenger initially saw the tackle in real life had no benefit of an action replay even which only showed how bad the tackle was from certain angles. The tackled player once treated actually played on so how was Wenger to know how bad the tackle was?
Wenger has a poor reputation based on the fact that he protects his players and never critisies his players in the media.
And he was commended here for his comment. Don't be trying to take offence where none exists. You interpet his head shake as being to do with the way the game was going. Fair enough. I saw it as a head shake when the Bolton player was getting treatment, and inferred that he was implying the Bolton lad made a meal out of it, and Diaby was wronged.
I could be wrong, but i could be right too. But in any case, as I said, fair play to him for his comment afterwards.
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QuoteOr are you just trying to stir things before Wednesday night?
Na, I wouldn't normally comment on the delusional thread but I see the delusion is continuing and posters are talking about getting a win at the Emirates. Personally I think it will be a 0-0 at the Emirates, maybe 1-0 to the Arsenal, leaving a very interesting 2nd leg. Liverpool need to play Crouch against Arsenal, the pace of Gallas and Toure will contain Torres but Liverpools long ball game with Crouch in the side will cause Arsenal problems...
I'd be delighted with a win at the Emirates, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility, although Arsenal's great comeback at the weekend will have boosted them. I would still make Arsenal marginal favourites, and would not be happy with a 0-0 or a defeat, because I would fear Arsenal could score at Anfield.
On Wenger, I would say his post match comments would have been different if they hadn't just performed a miracle and got out of jail. It's easy to be generous in your comments after that. He was clearly annoyed at the sending off at the time which is, of course, hypocritical.
Quotecoming out with their usual anti-Wenger bullshit
Jaysus Dinny, red card for you cos that was way over the top! I have great admiration for Wenger but I thought this reaction was no right - especially after some of the stuff that was said about the Birmingham lad after the Eduardo incident. Fair play to him for getting it right afterwards and he is right to protect his players and not criticise them in public. Whatever about myself, AZ is genrally accepted to be a level headed enough chap so I don't think its right to say we were having a gratuitous dig.
QuoteJaysus Dinny, red card for you cos that was way over the top
Ok I'll take that back but I'm just getting annoyed that lately everyone seems to be having a pop, for the record Wenger was shaking his head because he thought Diaby was fouled before his reckless challenge...
I'll bow to your better knowledge on that. I only caught it on MOTD2 last night where they just showed the challenge.
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Police to speak to soccer clubs after derby clashes
Police will today be speaking with Liverpool and Everton football clubs about Sunday's acrimonious derby.
Officers are investigating claims that Blues captain Phil Neville, 31, was spat on and punched by Liverpool fans as he prepared to take a throw-in.
They are also looking at reports that Anfield captain and England international Steven Gerrard, 27, was subjected to hate-filled chants about his daughter.
Cameras clearly captured Neville being abused by several fans in the second half of Liverpool's 1-0 victory.
The match – traditionally one of Europe's most passionate derbies – had been billed as vital in both clubs' race for the Premiership's fourth place – and a money-spinning Champions League position.
Players are usually subjected to chants from opposition fans but Sunday's match was allegedly worse, with the police being called in.
As Neville, whose brother Gary still plays for Manchester United, steadied himself to take a throw-in, fans could be seen just inches away screaming down his neck.
And Gerrard faced a torrent of abuse as he walked to take a corner in front of Toffees fans in the second half.
Today, a spokesman for Merseyside Police said: "Police will be speaking to the clubs involved today."
Dave Lewis, the force's football liaison officer, who travels abroad with the teams when they play in Europe, will conduct the discussions.
Today, Everton spokesman Ian Ross said: "We felt it necessary to try to involve the safety officers and police because we cannot have a situation where supporters are having physical contact with professional footballers during the game.
"We want to make sure that doesn't happen again at the Merseyside derby or any other game."
Responding to reports that Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez said he was "very disappointed" by the attack on Gerrard, he added: "Whilst we would never condone the singling out of individual players for vitriolic insults, it is a shame that Mr Benitez chose to ignore the actions of his own club's supporters.
"Not only was Joleon Lescott subjected to an afternoon-long barrage of quite disgusting and quite audible abuse, Phil Neville was seemingly spat at several times and was also punched in the back by a supporter as he took a throw-in.
"We have asked Merseyside Police and our safety officer to look into the matter.
"In calling for Everton supporters to respect his players, Mr Benitez should, perhaps, remember his comments of 12 months ago when he sought to belittle one of world sport's oldest and most respected institutions by describing us as a 'small club'.
"Respect is a two-way street."
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"Officers are investigating claims that Blues captain Phil Neville, 31, was spat on and punched by Liverpool fans as he prepared to take a throw-in."
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Surely if he was taking a throw in then it would be pretty easy to prove as the camera would have been on him? If so it should also be easy enough to identify whoever it was that was doing it in the crowd.
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 01, 2008, 01:17:54 PM
Surely if he was taking a throw in then it would be pretty easy to prove as the camera would have been on him? If so it should also be easy enough to identify whoever it was that was doing it in the crowd.
Hard to tell inbreds apart ss ;)
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 01, 2008, 01:17:54 PM
Surely if he was taking a throw in then it would be pretty easy to prove as the camera would have been on him? If so it should also be easy enough to identify whoever it was that was doing it in the crowd.
Yep, identify the pricks and ban them for life.
Seriously surely this would have been caught on camera if someone had actually punched neville. I'd find it hard to believe that there wouldn't have been a bigger issue made about it at the time by either a commentator or some of the security around the pitch. Course as J70 says if there is footage then the person should be banned for life and done for assault.
The spitting would obviously be alot harder to catch on video.
I saw him getting dogs abuse alright at one stage, but I have to say I didn't see him getting spat on, or reacting to getting spat on. If he was spat on, and didn't react, then fair play to him.
Punched on the back or patted on the back?
Slagging Gerrards daughter is a bit much to be fair. There is a line that can be crossed and Liverpool have done it to players, but I doubt they have slagged a players daughter.
Quote from: corn02 on April 02, 2008, 11:00:54 AM
Punched on the back or patted on the back?
Slagging Gerrards daughter is a bit much to be fair. There is a line that can be crossed and Liverpool have done it to players, but I doubt they have slagged a players daughter.
I remember her parantage being questioned...
I presume it was something similar again?
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Quote from: corn02 on April 02, 2008, 11:00:54 AM
Punched on the back or patted on the back?
Slagging Gerrards daughter is a bit much to be fair. There is a line that can be crossed and Liverpool have done it to players, but I doubt they have slagged a players daughter.
I remember her parantage being questioned...
I presume it was something similar again?
Remember the sick sh1t that the West Ham fans chanted at Beckham that day about his new son. I think it was the eldest little fella. I'm no fan of Beckham, or his lifestyle, but what he took that day was beyond the pale. How he didn't go up into the stand a lá Cantona I'll never know. Some soccer fans, from all clubs, are absolute scum of the earth.
Players can deal with it, like apparently Gary Neville doesn't shag his mum up the shitter, as 10,000 in the Kop sang a few years ago. But if you start slaggin children, you cross the line.
That's what I mean corn. I'd take any abuse fans were shouting about any adult, but when they start in on the kids, that'd be the end of me. Remember that day at West Ham? It was vile.
I actually don't. The one that sticks out in my mind was Glen Roeder and the whole 'tumor' chants, Sickening.
Surprised to see Pennant playing for the reserves v Everton yesterday! But then remembered that he's suspended for this evening.
Darby at right back, Huth at centre back, Spearing in midifield and Nemeth up front all playing well. The only goal was scored by a young Dutch striker Brouwer - who looks useless to me. Another Hungarian, Simon (been injured all year), came on for the last few minutes as support striker and looked very promising.
Benitez has said he has three new signings already in the bag for the summer. Two are young lads (both believed to be from South America). The third will immediately be a first team player according to benitez. He didnt say who it was, but strong rumours thats its Rafinha - Brazilian right back who plays with Schalke (I hear he didnt have a great game last night).
The papers reckon that Benitez will sign a right winger in the summer. So far Bentley and Aaron Lennon linked, and I'd expect a lot more rumours to come...
if benitez comes up with 10 m for lennon. i, as a yid, would take it! overall i think bentley would be better for the pool. lennon has potential and pace but his distribution stinks at the moment.
Quote from: Hound on April 02, 2008, 12:42:50 PM
He didnt say who it was, but strong rumours thats its Rafinha - Brazilian right back who plays with Schalke (I hear he didnt have a great game last night).
Read the rumour about Rafinha last night, so I watched RTE's coverage of the Schalke/Barca last night...didn't look great, some fairly basic errors, but I wouldn't like to judge him on extended highlights of one game. A bit like Aurelio I'd say he can pick a cross, but can he defend and get into positions to cross is the question?
Quote from: Old Bill on April 02, 2008, 01:17:49 PM
if benitez comes up with 10 m for lennon. i, as a yid, would take it! overall i think bentley would be better for the pool. lennon has potential and pace but his distribution stinks at the moment.
Wouldn't have any interest in Lennon really. He's fast alright but a bit brainless IMO. Bentley would be an interesting one as he's already making shapes about moving to a bigger club. Very good crosser of the ball. Has excellent delivery from free-kicks and corners which Liverpool haven't had for yonks. Might be worth a punt although he won't be cheap.
I read an interview with Bentley in The Times and he was steadfastly refusing to rule out a move to Liverpool. I think he'd be a good addition.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2008, 03:10:46 PM
Wouldn't have any interest in Lennon really. He's fast alright but a bit brainless IMO.
Another Pennant in other words :)
Bentley might be worth a punt. In addition to his skills, he also has attitude - not many young lads leave Arsenal to get game time - not many young lads back their talent by turning down an u21 tournament to rest up for the full season and (hopefully) playing senior internationals. Also he doesn't mince his words (he mangels them though) about his ambition.
Well lads how are the nerves before tonights big game? Im going for 2-1 Arsenal which I think would not be a bad result for Liverpool. ;)
I just hope they dont play for a draw, i cant see us scoring more than one tonight. I would take a score draw as best result scenario.
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:35:06 PM
Well lads how are the nerves before tonights big game? Im going for 2-1 Arsenal which I think would not be a bad result for Liverpool. ;)
"Chumps Speicial" for the 'Pool - i.e. nil all away from home
PS You must be one of the most prolific contributors on the Liverpool thread? Especially for a non fan.
Quote from: Mentalman on April 02, 2008, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:35:06 PM
Well lads how are the nerves before tonights big game? Im going for 2-1 Arsenal which I think would not be a bad result for Liverpool. ;)
"Chumps Speicial" for the 'Pool - i.e. nil all away from home
PS You must be one of the most prolific contributors on the Liverpool thread? Especially for a non fan.
I just enjoy the craic on here. As Im sure you know Im a Utd fan and there a fair few non Utd fans post plenty on there!!
liverpool to hold them tonight and take them apart (ok, finish the job!) at anfield.
does anyone think arsenal are a bit overrated ? a lot is being made of how they killed off milan but this ac milan team were not good and have not being doing well all season and ok, we beat 10 man inter and as usual we still take a pasting of criticism from all and sundry in the tv, media etc....i think if we can get a goal tonight the ball is in our court then for anfield...GO ON RAFA, do the business again !!
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on April 02, 2008, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:35:06 PM
Well lads how are the nerves before tonights big game? Im going for 2-1 Arsenal which I think would not be a bad result for Liverpool. ;)
"Chumps Speicial" for the 'Pool - i.e. nil all away from home
PS You must be one of the most prolific contributors on the Liverpool thread? Especially for a non fan.
I just enjoy the craic on here. As Im sure you know Im a Utd fan and there a fair few non Utd fans post plenty on there!!
Ah yeah, no harm in it, but you are more prolific than even most Liverpool fans!
No harm EC Unique, i do enjoy an occasional foray into the Manchester United thread......
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on April 02, 2008, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:35:06 PM
Well lads how are the nerves before tonights big game? Im going for 2-1 Arsenal which I think would not be a bad result for Liverpool. ;)
"Chumps Speicial" for the 'Pool - i.e. nil all away from home
PS You must be one of the most prolific contributors on the Liverpool thread? Especially for a non fan.
I just enjoy the craic on here. As Im sure you know Im a Utd fan and there a fair few non Utd fans post plenty on there!!
Some of them post on here more often that they do on the United thread. ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 02, 2008, 04:05:31 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on April 02, 2008, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on April 02, 2008, 03:35:06 PM
Well lads how are the nerves before tonights big game? Im going for 2-1 Arsenal which I think would not be a bad result for Liverpool. ;)
"Chumps Speicial" for the 'Pool - i.e. nil all away from home
PS You must be one of the most prolific contributors on the Liverpool thread? Especially for a non fan.
I just enjoy the craic on here. As Im sure you know Im a Utd fan and there a fair few non Utd fans post plenty on there!!
Some of them post on here more often that they do on the United thread. ;D
Exactly. That's just unhealthy :)
Quote from: Abble on April 02, 2008, 03:45:47 PM
liverpool to hold them tonight and take them apart (ok, finish the job!) at anfield.
does anyone think arsenal are a bit overrated ? a lot is being made of how they killed off milan but this ac milan team were not good and have not being doing well all season and ok, we beat 10 man inter and as usual we still take a pasting of criticism from all and sundry in the tv, media etc....i think if we can get a goal tonight the ball is in our court then for anfield...GO ON RAFA, do the business again !!
Thought I posted this already, must be having a dose of the reversals, but it was the same AC side that beat Liverpool in the final last year - decline is all relative? Plus I think they were the first British side to beat AC in the San Siro. Not bad all in all, but not exactly the Miracle of Bern either :)
good luck to the pool tonite. as a yid im a honourary pool man for the nite!
Any ideas on the team for tonight. Presumably it'll be something like
Reina
Carra Sami Skrtel Riise
Mascherano Alonso
Kuyt Gerrard Babel
Torres
I'd say that's the team alright, or close to it. Aurelio might play instead of Riise, and perhaps Arbeloa instead of Hypia, moving Carra to centre back, but other than that I'd say that's it.
I'm not confident, but I never am, being one of nature's pessimists. Liverpool must score in my mind, and if they don't I fear they are out. Even a 0-0 would be a bad result for me. Any combination of a score draw, or very narrow scoring defeat would be a decent result. Obviously a win would be brilliant, however unlikely.
Nervous anticipation.
lAh. You're a Liverpool fan? That explains your post on the Man Utd thread. Apologies for disrupting your mind games :D
Na, no mind games AZ, in my mind its Utds champions league to loose this year, doesnt mean i want it to happen!!
lose or loose?
Grammar police
Liverpool Line up:
Reina
Aurelio
Hyypia
Skrtel
Carragher
Mascherano
Alonso
Babel
Gerrard
Kuyt
Torres
Subs:
Itandje
Riise
Voronin
Benayoun
Crouch
Arbeloa
Lucas
Personally i would have played Crouch and Voronin up front with Riise playing in behind the two strikers unleashing that deadly accurate left foot of his . . . . .
Quote from: Minder on April 02, 2008, 07:15:00 PM
Personally i would have played Crouch and Voronin up front with Riise playing in behind the two strikers unleashing that deadly accurate left foot of his . . . . .
Ruled out by the lawyers.....
..too many lawsuits from spectators getting ther heads taken off by Riise's (unguided) missiles
will take that thank you very much
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
will take that thank you very much
With Arsenal's record at Anfield in recent games - 6-3, 3-1, 1-1 - so will I.
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
will take that thank you very much
With Arsenal's record at Anfield in recent games - 6-3, 3-1, 1-1 - so will I.
Left out the 1-4 where Crouch got the hattrick! :P
Quote from: J70 on April 02, 2008, 09:54:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
will take that thank you very much
With Arsenal's record at Anfield in recent games - 6-3, 3-1, 1-1 - so will I.
Left out the 1-4 where Crouch got the hattrick! :P
That wasn't in the last three visits.
Wouldnt get too carried away yet, arsenal are well capable of scoring at Anfield but the away goal is a big plus. thought the ref had a good game,didnt get fooled by arsenals rampant play acting. . . .
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
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Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
will take that thank you very much
With Arsenal's record at Anfield in recent games - 6-3, 3-1, 1-1 - so will I.
Left out the 1-4 where Crouch got the hattrick! :P
That wasn't in the last three visits.
The two cup games (6-3 and 3-1 defeats) were in Jan 2007
The 4-1 League game was in March 2007
Quotethought the ref had a good game
Well if you discount missing a stone wall penalty which would have had a huge impact on the tie then yeah - I suppose he did!
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 02, 2008, 09:54:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
will take that thank you very much
With Arsenal's record at Anfield in recent games - 6-3, 3-1, 1-1 - so will I.
Left out the 1-4 where Crouch got the hattrick! :P
That wasn't in the last three visits.
No you're right it was in the last two vists. 31/03/07, The other two were in Jan 2007.
Good result, rode our luck at times but Arsenal lloked drained by end. Still they'll be danagerous at Anfield, delighted with score draw and would have taken it before game without even considering it.
Interesting for Saturday. Both teams look like they could do resting some players. But with their league positions will they go for the points or risk handing the other team a confidence boaster before the second tie. Can see Rafa maybe resting Torres and possibly Gerrad plus giving Kuyt and Babel a rest.
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 02, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
Quotethought the ref had a good game
Well if you discount missing a stone wall penalty which would have had a huge impact on the tie then yeah - I suppose he did!
Are you Andy Gray in disguise? Not even close to a penalty, only thing the ref got wrong was not booking him for diving, after he gave the corner.
QuoteNot even close to a penalty, only thing the ref got wrong was not booking him for diving, after he gave the corner
Whats it Dinny calls this thread again....
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 02, 2008, 10:15:41 PM
QuoteNot even close to a penalty, only thing the ref got wrong was not booking him for diving, after he gave the corner
Whats it Dinny calls this thread again....
who cares? ???
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 10:00:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 02, 2008, 09:54:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 02, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
will take that thank you very much
With Arsenal's record at Anfield in recent games - 6-3, 3-1, 1-1 - so will I.
Left out the 1-4 where Crouch got the hattrick! :P
That wasn't in the last three visits.
You've erased that particular memory then, have you? ;D
Arsenal by far the better team tonight, but Liverpool dug in, rode their luck with referee decisions and the bendter goal line farce. It seemed from looking at the TV that most of the Arsenal fans had left with 5 minutes plus stoppage remaining as there were alot of empty seats. Arsenal will not be as dominant at Anfield, but that is not to say they will not be a threat. Liverpool as usual, will use the crowd to play above themselves and to influence referee decisions. A good night of football, tension and drama ahead.
Going by Arsenal's last 4 visits to Anfield, this should be no bother. We always score. Arsenal were miles the better side and would have been 5-0 winners on another night. looking like an Arse-Barca final.
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 10:58:49 PM
Going by Arsenal's last 4 visits to Anfield, this should be no bother. We always score. Arsenal were miles the better side and would have been 5-0 winners on another night. looking like an Arse-Barca final.
Now, now, ever hear of waiting in the long grass. ;)
eh?
Quotewho cares? Huh
Ah Gabe I'm hurt I know you care, really you do....
Stonewall penalty but not surprised that at least one delusionist is in denial...
Anyway Liverpool defended excellently but Arsenal probably should have scored 3 goals, Torres was very disappointing but his pace was always going to be ineffective against Arsenal, Babel only completed 1 in every 3 passes, as for Mascherano they should call that lad the Barber, short back and sides and that's when he wasn't giving the ball away....
Think this tie will go to penalties, advantage Liverpool though.......
Didn't see the game live, but I'd be disappointed if that (as in penalty) wasn't given to my team. I can only assume the referee thought he went down a bit too easily. Would be interesting to see it from behind the goal.
Quote from: J70 on April 02, 2008, 11:43:26 PM
Would be interesting to see it from behind the goal.
Why?
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 11:45:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 02, 2008, 11:43:26 PM
Would be interesting to see it from behind the goal.
Why?
To get a better look at how much of a grab Kuyt made at his arm.
As I said, it looks a penalty to me.
There were camera angles in front, behind and to the side. You want a camera angle at Goodison?
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 11:54:57 PM
There were camera angles in front, behind and to the side. You want a camera angle at Goodison?
I've only seen the footage on 101 great goals.
Kuyt clearly made no contact as he held his arms wide out each side of him, plus the referee was only yards away and he could not have missed it. ;)
Thought we done rightly tonight, Arsenal were always going to have lots of possession & create chances, although on the night there weren't too many.
Thought back 4 all were excellent, particularly in the 2nd half. Kuyt was superb, ran his socks off as usual. Babel done nothing, Alonso was poor.
For me I thought Arsenal should have had the penalty, if if was the other way about I would have fired the remote at the tv if had not been given. Certainly penalties have been given for less.
Nervous enough game to watch from a liverpool point of view. Zonal marking......i dread it from set pieces! Although statistics will probably prove it has worked for Liverpool, how many important goals have we conceded using this system ???
But anyway who cares, I don't. Away goal & advantage Liverpool!
I think most refs would have given a pen. Hleb probably penalised for over-doing the theatrics. Clearly there wasnt enough contact to force him over, but he threw himself down when he felt the contact. The ref gave no "easy frees" all night, it had to be a proper foul to get your free (albeit the linesmen gave a couple of handy ones to both sides).
Bendtner's goal line clearance was something else.
I thought Liverpool were poor enough, they were there for the taking so glad Arsenal let the opportunity slip. However, if Liverpool do not improve for the second leg they will be going out.
Funny old game last night. 1-1 is a result I'd be happy enough with, because if Arsenal score at Anfield, which I'm convinced they will do, at least Liverpool won't have a mountain to climb. Last night specifically, I thought Arsenal were very good for about 60 minutes. There was a spell after Arsenal scored (similar to the Chelsea game actually) where Liverpool were dominant, and the goal came quickly in that spell. Arsenal weathered the storm though, and should have scored at least one more (I thought it was a stonewall penalty), but they didn't and that might come back to haunt them. I was actually disappointed that Rafa took off Torres, even though he was poor last night, he looked tired and flat footed. I'd definitely rest him for Saturday and give big crouchy a chance to batter away at them. The reason I was disappointed was because I knew Arsenal would tire in the last 5 or 10 minutes, and bringing on Voronin was the equivalent of just filling a jersey. If Torres, or indeed Babel was up front on his own in the last 5 minutes when Arsenal did get tired and started being really sloppy at the back with passing and clearences, I think Liverpool would have gotten another chance, and that could be just as pivotal as Arsenal not scoring in the second half.
For Liverpool, I thought Reina was dodgy enough under crosses again, especially set pieces. He needs to do some work on that at traiining to make him more confident again, but Adebeyor's goal was fantastic in it's simplicity. It looked way too easy from a Liverpool standpoint, but to give credit where it's due Wenger obviously devised this to exploit the zonal marking. Standing on the line, great movement into the unmarked space and a pinpoint cross. Excellent stuff.
The back four looked solid enough, and buttressed by Mascherano and Alonso/Lucas from the front, they kept Arsenal largely going across in front of them, which would have been the game plan. Hleb's break for the penalty and Walcott's run were the only real times they got around the back of Liverpool, and all the other Arsenal passes through the channels had to be overhit to make it through, which meant they normally ran out of play or into Reina. Having said that Flamini's excellent ball to van Persie in the first half deserved better. Mascherano was a bit uncomfortable when Arsenal passed the ball around him, he loves being able to bite into people who are receiving the ball and dallying on it. Fabergas, when he was going well, wasn't doing that but Mascherano still perservered and got in a few good interceptions, and cleaned up a lot of 'second ball' that came out of the defence into that 'hole' area. Alonso was poor enough again, and will want to forget this season. I hope he stays at Anfield, because we need a player like him in that 4-2-3-1 formation but it's just not happening for him this season.
The attacking midfield trio were a mixed bag. I thought Gerrard was excellent for the 15 minutes when Liverpool got on top in the first half, and was constantly looking for the ball and even though his influence waned as Arsenal reasserted, he was always the out ball for Liverpool, and didn't give it away stupidly. Babel was disappointing, but I do think he will improve and is a long term bet. Kuyt worked hard and deserved his goal for workrate, but I can't help feeling he's a bit, well, thick. His first touch is shocking, and he does some awful stupid things. He can count himself a lucky man this morning that he wasn't apologising for a penalty incident.
Torres, as I mentioned, was disappointing last night, and looked tired to me. He was caught flatfooted a lot of the time when passes cam towards him, and while Gallas and Toure are quick, there were a couple of occasions when, had he been at his sharpest, he would have gotten away. I'd rest him on Saturday. As someone else said, he needs to knock that diving shit on the head too. There's no need for it. I don't know if he feels he has been kicked a lot this season or something, and has decided to go down in contact, but it does him no favours and is rotten to look at.
All in all, satisfactory result, but this tie is far, far from over. It'll be a big test on Tuesday night, but likewise Arsenal will probably not be prepared for the atmosphere at Anfield that night. They've obviously played there loads of times in the league, but this will be a bit different. I expect Liverpool to be cagey, Arsenal to dominate possession again, Liverpool to score from a break or a set piece, and Arsenal to press for an equaliser. If they get it, we could be on for a shoot out, depending on when it comes. If it goes to extra time, I would fancy Liverpool, because I think Arsenal are stretched physically at the moment. It'll be edgy stuff though.
Torres missing in action again against a top side, anonymous against the likes of United and Arsenal.
When will he get to play Derby/West Ham again?
Didn't Torres score against Chelsea this season already? Sling your hook and find another bait :D
Quote from: SammyG on April 02, 2008, 10:13:40 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 02, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
Quotethought the ref had a good game
Well if you discount missing a stone wall penalty which would have had a huge impact on the tie then yeah - I suppose he did!
Are you Andy Gray in disguise? Not even close to a penalty, only thing the ref got wrong was not booking him for diving, after he gave the corner.
I would have thought you would know the rules of football? As clear a penalty as I have seen.. Good enough he did not give it though because I am praying for a UTD v Liverpool final ;D ;D
I see Dirk & the referee are from the same hometown or pretty close.
Maybe this is the reason there was no penalty ;)
After the ref gave the corner Dirk gave him the thumbs up :o
More or less spot on AZ ;)
A couple of points that came to mind.
Sounness and Strachan on Sky were blaming Sami for the goal. Am I alone in thinking they would have liked to see the goal keeper come for that?
Babbel was brought off with half an hour remaining. I would have liked to have seen him come on at that stage. I think Arsenal would have been much more wary of him on the counter attack.
About Torres and his 'diving'. I noticed this in the Utd game after he got a yellow card for complaining about being kicked. He got Ferdinand a yellow for diving. I think he tends to do it more if he thinks he isn't getting any protection from the ref.
happy enough with that result but still all to play for. i expect arsenal to score in anfield and wouldnt be surprised to see it go to penos.
good report there AZ, and i totally agree, it was a stonewall penalty. only caught the 2nd half and was very disappointed to see 'pool constantly giving the ball away so easily. carragher might have done well defensively but his passing out of defence was shocking, just lumping it forward aimlessly. unfortunately thats an all to common trait of his this season. also reina's kickouts were just missiles sent in the general direction of torres, just handing the ball back to gallas/toure to start another attack. we needed another option just to retain possession. particularly around the period during the walcott shot, we needed to take control of the game and keep possession but it didnt happen. and only for a poor decision by the ref, we could be licking our wounds now.
also, couldnt believe rafa brought voronin on, thought we had seen the last of him. crouch would have been a far better option for the last 10mins, at least he can hold the ball up.
i expect rafa to rest some of the big guns this weekend. have a bit of a cushion in 4th place and even a defeat wouldnt be a complete disaster. the gunners dont have that luxury and its another must win game so i cant see wenger resting too many of his stars.
oh and by the way..
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 03, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Torres missing in action again against a top side, anonymous against the likes of United and Arsenal.
When will he get to play Derby/West Ham again?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2008, 09:41:08 AM
Didn't Torres score against Chelsea this season already? Sling your hook and find another bait :D
well said AZ. he scored v chelsea. and a whisker away from scoring v man u at anfield. very convenient that nrico only included united & arsenal as "top sides". i wonder how many goals rooney scored against the top teams in PL this year???
Quote from: stevo-08 on April 03, 2008, 10:43:52 AM
happy enough with that result but still all to play for. i expect arsenal to score in anfield and wouldnt be surprised to see it go to penos.
good report there AZ, and i totally agree, it was a stonewall penalty. only caught the 2nd half and was very disappointed to see 'pool constantly giving the ball away so easily. carragher might have done well defensively but his passing out of defence was shocking, just lumping it forward aimlessly. unfortunately thats an all to common trait of his this season. also reina's kickouts were just missiles sent in the general direction of torres, just handing the ball back to gallas/toure to start another attack. we needed another option just to retain possession. particularly around the period during the walcott shot, we needed to take control of the game and keep possession but it didnt happen. and only for a poor decision by the ref, we could be licking our wounds now.
also, couldnt believe rafa brought voronin on, thought we had seen the last of him. crouch would have been a far better option for the last 10mins, at least he can hold the ball up.
i expect rafa to rest some of the big guns this weekend. have a bit of a cushion in 4th place and even a defeat wouldnt be a complete disaster. the gunners dont have that luxury and its another must win game so i cant see wenger resting too many of his stars.
oh and by the way..
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 03, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Torres missing in action again against a top side, anonymous against the likes of United and Arsenal.
When will he get to play Derby/West Ham again?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2008, 09:41:08 AM
Didn't Torres score against Chelsea this season already? Sling your hook and find another bait :D
well said AZ. he scored v chelsea. and a whisker away from scoring v man u at anfield. very convenient that nrico only included united & arsenal as "top sides". i wonder how many goals rooney scored against the top teams in PL this year???
he is english and thats what english players do when they come under pressure, they cannot keep the ball.
QuoteDidn't Torres score against Chelsea this season already? Sling your hook and find another bait
I didn't mention Chelsea. 1 goal against the big sides is hardly a great return for the money invested in Torres.
It's not bad for his first season. Ronaldo or van Nistlerooy weren't exactly prolific against the top teams for a while. Ian Rush only scored his first against Man United after about 10 years of playing them. If Torres has the same success as Rush, I won't mind too much :D
For the first year of a five year contract in a new league, different language, lifestyle etc i think its a pretty handsome return.....
It's actually 1 goal in 5 games. They still have Chelsea and Arsenal away in the league, Arsenal at home and maybe even Chelsea and United in Europe. If he only scores 1 goal from those possible 11 games total, then it wouldn't be great, but it would still be understandable for his first season. If he notches 1 or 2 in those remaining possible games, then it will be a great start for him.
nrico is only winding.
Quotewe needed another option just to retain possession. particularly around the period during the walcott shot, we needed to take control of the game and keep possession but it didnt happen.
But that's the whole issue with how Liverpool play and how Benitez has them set up. They never do this and in my mind aren't encouraged to. As a nuetral thought it was pretty poor stuff last night
Decent result for Liverpool, but still all to play for in the second leg. For all of Arsenal's possession clear cut chances weren't exactly plentiful. Tied on penalty not given, not sure what happened there - Hleb did make the most of it but it still should have been given. Maybe the Goonie and the ref are related? Who knows. All in all I thought Liverpool put in a more consistent performance, they actually passed the ball to each other at times, but I suppose improvement is all relative. Reina really didn't have much to do, but was found wanting a little for the couple of decent opportunities Arsenal had. Carra is a fish out of water at right back, and I think his unhappiness playing there is obvious. Also I think he looks fatigued, the number of time Kuyt and Skrtel came over to cover him was very noticeable. Also the passing is terrible. Skrtel looks solid so far, don't really want to say too much about him until he hasa full season, but let's just say I'm hopeful. Sammi's contract extension is not on the strength of his distribution, but then again that never was his stength. Aurelio was quietly efficent, I prefer him to Riise, as I think he is a better defender in general. I was wondering was Xabi Alonso playing, then when he was substituted it showed he had covered more ground than Gerrard or Mascher. Just goes to show it's not all about working hard, it's also about working smart. This season has been a write off for him, and he doesn't look the player he was, like he has a cloud over him. Like AZ I think Arsenal's passing didn't allow Mascher to make his presence felt, but he persisted, got through some amount of work and towards the end lifted the siege a number of times. Unlike AZ I'm beginning to think Babel will not cut it long term. I can't credit that Arsenal were also interested in him. People slag off Walcott as a speed merchant, but at least he shows that speed. I think the stats showed Babel tried to pass3 timnes and miss placed 2 of those - in 60 minutes of football. Kuyt is as game as fcuk - but as dumb as a rail. Great effort last night though. Gerrard produced when it was needed but also worked his socks off. Nando looked very leggy and wasn't reading Gerrard at all. Also Gallas owned him all game. There was one point where Kuyt picked a lovely pass, curving it in behind Sendaros and into the path of Torres, where he should have been favourite, but Gallas dispossessed him so easily it was untrue. As for Saturday, rest as many as possible but put out a well organised side, and try to draw the sting from Arsenal befroe Tuesday - they need to win to stay in the hunt, whereas the Chumps is all Liverpool have left to play for, and they have a little breathing room from Everton.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2008, 11:03:59 AM
It's actually 1 goal in 5 games. They still have Chelsea and Arsenal away in the league, Arsenal at home and maybe even Chelsea and United in Europe. If he only scores 1 goal from those possible 11 games total, then it wouldn't be great, but it would still be understandable for his first season. If he notches 1 or 2 in those remaining possible games, then it will be a great start for him.
nrico is only winding.
and actually he was just back from injury for the arsenal game in the league. and went off injured early in the first half, if memory serves me. so you could argue that at the moment it's 1 goal in 4 games. bottom line is he's closing in on RVN's record of 23 lge goals for a foreign player in debut season. If our next signing does as well, i'd be very happy. ;)
.....and unlike Red Rum he does not take penalties which would pad the figures nicely
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on April 03, 2008, 10:55:57 AM
he is english and thats what english players do when they come under pressure, they cannot keep the ball.
thats probably true. but i just think that this season in particular, carragher's distribution & composure has been extermely bad. I think if we had finnan/arbeloa at rb, you wouldnt have seen the careless distribution on display last light. Also, Agger is a massive loss for liverpool - the one centre back we have who will bring the ball out of defence with a purpose. with him in the team, you could get away with the odd missile launched by carragher.
It'll be interesting to see how rafa sets his team up for the return leg. I hope he doesnt persist with carragher at rb.
QuoteFor the first year of a five year contract in a new league, different language, lifestyle etc i think its a pretty handsome return.....
I thought that the leagues in England and Spain both played with one football, 2 sets of goal-posts and 11 starting players on each side? Lifestyle? Is there a nightclub or something in the corner of some Spanish pitches?
The point im making Nrico, and you are well aware of it, is it takes some foreign players time to settle in a different country and English football in particular as the tempo is much higher than Spain/Italy. To reinforce this i quote you ref - Juan Sebastian Veron........
From F365
Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano has been banned for a further two matches and fined £15,000 following his behaviour after being sent off in the game against Manchester United on March 23, the Football Association have confirmed.
Mascherano was banned for one match after being shown two yellow cards by referee Steve Bennett at Old Trafford.
But the Argentinian has been banned for a further two games after he continued to protest after being shown the red card by the official.
Mascherano admitted a charge of improper conduct and has been punished further by the FA, with the additional suspension coming into effect immediately.
Quote from: Minder on April 03, 2008, 12:30:20 PM
The point im making Nrico, and you are well aware of it, is it takes some foreign players time to settle in a different country and English football in particular as the tempo is much higher than Spain/Italy. To reinforce this i quote you ref - Juan Sebastian Veron........
No right thinking Utd fan would even consider Veron to be a success ::)
I'd just like to say, I thought Mascherano had a decent game at last for L'pool.
Esp. in the first half. His tackling was first class, & for once he didn't seem to give possession away.
In the second half he was a little less conservative, having a few runs forward, and of course losing the ball...
If he continues as he did in the firast half last night, he may well prove to be a decent player!
I was listening to it on the radio coming back up to Belfast from training, and the they were all for giving Masch the MOM. That's why I was surprised to read here how people thought he was poor.
I have to say I have no doubt in my mind that Masch was a great buy. I think he's been brilliant at breaking up play. I don't think there's a better defensive midfield in the PL.
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 03, 2008, 01:48:39 PM
I was listening to it on the radio coming back up to Belfast from training, and the they were all for giving Masch the MOM. That's why I was surprised to read here how people thought he was poor.
I have to say I have no doubt in my mind that Masch was a great buy. I think he's been brilliant at breaking up play. I don't think there's a better defensive midfield in the PL.
There's not a midfielder with less strings to his bow though...
Quote from: full back on April 03, 2008, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 03, 2008, 12:30:20 PM
The point im making Nrico, and you are well aware of it, is it takes some foreign players time to settle in a different country and English football in particular as the tempo is much higher than Spain/Italy. To reinforce this i quote you ref - Juan Sebastian Veron........
No right thinking Utd fan would even consider Veron to be a success ::)
Surely you can see that i am pointing out that some players dont settle, Veron being a prime example.......
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on April 03, 2008, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 03, 2008, 01:48:39 PM
I was listening to it on the radio coming back up to Belfast from training, and the they were all for giving Masch the MOM. That's why I was surprised to read here how people thought he was poor.
I have to say I have no doubt in my mind that Masch was a great buy. I think he's been brilliant at breaking up play. I don't think there's a better defensive midfield in the PL.
There's not a midfielder with less strings to his bow though...
I can think of plenty.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on April 03, 2008, 01:45:41 PM
In the second half he was a little less conservative, having a few runs forward, and of course losing the ball...
But what was the context? He took the ball forward, held onto it when none of his colleagues showed for him, and give his side some respite. I'd say he did it 4 or 5 times late in the game (final 5 minutes), once on the right hand side in the Arsenal third, losing the ball, the second in the middle third out on the right of the centre circle losing it again. The other times he found a colleague. I can understand you're not a fan, personally I think I've mentioned a few times he's not all he's cracked up to be (well at least I thought he would be a good passer), but let's not take the runs out of context - his side was under the cosh and he obviously felt it was better to take some time out of the ball rather than kick it to Clichy or Toure.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 03, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Torres missing in action again against a top side, anonymous against the likes of United and Arsenal
O RLY??
(http://i29.tinypic.com/k1xji9.jpg)
Javier Mascherano v Arsenal
Goals 0
Shots 0
Shots on Target 0
Fouls 0
Fouls Won 1
Offside 0
Assists 0
Accurate Passes 28
Bad Passes 7
Tackles 8
So apart from some blind runs up the alley where he gave the ball away, above is his sum contribution to the game. Not particluar impressiive stats are they, I'd find it hard to believe how anyone can rate this guy.....
But hey you're not called the delusionists for no reason :P
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2008, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 03, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Torres missing in action again against a top side, anonymous against the likes of United and Arsenal
O RLY??
(http://i29.tinypic.com/k1xji9.jpg)
Same as Stevie G went missing again last night against a big side...at least that's the story Kolo will be trying to sell to Arsene today.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 03, 2008, 02:49:05 PM
Javier Mascherano v Arsenal
Goals 0
Shots 0
Shots on Target 0
Fouls 0
Fouls Won 1
Offside 0
Assists 0
Accurate Passes 28
Bad Passes 7
Tackles 8
So apart from some blind runs up the alley where he gave the ball away, above is his sum contribution to the game. Not particluar impressiive stats are they, I'd find it hard to believe how anyone can rate this guy.....
But hey you're not called the delusionists for no reason :P
Like I said Alonso ran further than the other Liverpool midfielders, but he was anonymous last night.
While Solomon Kolou is apparently one of the best creative players in the premiership, second highest assists or something like that.
What's that saying : lies, damned lies and statistics? It's all in the analysis :)
Where'd you get stats BTW Dinny? I'm looking for a good source of such things.
Mascherano did well last night. He has actually improved a lot with his passing as the season went on. I think he is still coming to terms with the speed of play in the premier league where you just don't have time to dwell on the ball and have to get rid of it quicker and certainly there is nobody in England who plays that defensive midfield role as well now that Makelele is past his best. You only have to look at his shackling of Kaka last year. He plays in an unglamourous role though that is generally unappreciated.
I would be more worried about Alonso who hasn't really performed during the last two seasons at all. Seems like a lad who is pining for a return home.
As for last night's game I thought Liverpool did pretty well in the first half. Arsenal looked very shaky for the 10 to 15 minutes after we equalised but to be fair to them they got their heads together after that. Second half was all Arsenal really but apart from the Bendtner block on the line they rarely got in behind Liverpool. The Hleb incident was probably a penalty alright even though Hleb went down very easily after the merest touch on the arm from Kuyt. Still they are often given especially if you're playing at home. I was certainly expecting the ref to blow it.
All to play for in the 2nd leg anyway. The league match at the weekend will be interesting as Mascherano is now suspended for it and I expect Gerrard and Torres won't play in it and maybe a couple of others. Might even see Crouch up front for it. I think we'll just about get through next week although it's far from a sure thing. Anfield will be hopping and the crowd will bring the players along with them as they so often do. It will make a change from the new library anyway. ;)
QuoteWhere'd you get stats BTW Dinny? I'm looking for a good source of such things.
Eurosport would you believe
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/champions-league/2007-2008/arsenal-liverpool-229682.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/champions-league/2007-2008/arsenal-liverpool-229682.html)
Isn't that the station 'Statto' Angus Lougran works for? Remember him in Fantasy Football with his pyjamas at the breakfast counter? I think he commentates for them occasionally, so it's probably his baby.
Stato was indeed a commentator with them.
The passing stats are something to behold, or should a I say the difference between the sides.
At one point last night one of the Arsenal players, I think it was Cesc, missed a pass, not even in a dangerous position, and there was an audible gasp from the Gooners fans. I had to laugh, as that sums up the difference between these two sides - Liverpool fans gasp when the team put together a passing move, Arsenal fans gasp if one breaks down!
According to those stats Babel never made a bad pass all night. I remember one awful pass he hit crossfield that went out for a throw.
Plus it says Carragher never made a bad pass. He must have lost the ball a couple of times when he launched it downfield.
Gael Clichy made 24 bad passes? Hleb made 20? Fabregas 12?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 03, 2008, 02:49:05 PM
Javier Mascherano v Arsenal
Fouls 0
Fouls Won 1
Accurate Passes 28
Bad Passes 7
Tackles 8
100% tackle success and 80% pass success isnt bad.
The boy will be a better Makelele than Makelele was.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2008, 03:33:13 PM
Isn't that the station 'Statto' Angus Lougran works for? Remember him in Fantasy Football with his pyjamas at the breakfast counter? I think he commentates for them occasionally, so it's probably his baby.
the same statto recently declared bankrupt from gambling debt... still works for the BBC on their racing coverage :-\
Sounds like them stats are dodgy if the quotes from the lads above are true. I remember that Babel crossfield ball towards Carragher in the 40 somethingth minute. It was bull woegeous. It ended up in the second row of the crowd, about 20 yards behind where Carragher was. Or is there another stat for finding touch?
Actually even the goal came from Babel passing the ball to Flamini who was robbed by a block tackle from Gerrard.
Quotectually even the goal came from Babel passing the ball to Flamini who was robbed by a block tackle from Gerrard.
That wasn't Babel passing the ball, that was his first touch ;D
Maybe speculative long balls or crosses don't count as a pass, the parameters would be interesting as the UEFA stats on screen had shown Babel have a 33% success rate with 4 passes...
Like Kuyt. His second touch is a tackle.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on April 03, 2008, 04:06:51 PM
a 33% success rate with 4 passes...
Well you could argue that he was successful with 33% of his unsuccessful passes!
Quote from: derryexile on April 03, 2008, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2008, 03:33:13 PM
Isn't that the station 'Statto' Angus Lougran works for? Remember him in Fantasy Football with his pyjamas at the breakfast counter? I think he commentates for them occasionally, so it's probably his baby.
the same statto recently declared bankrupt from gambling debt... still works for the BBC on their racing coverage :-\
Is that true?
There was one stage when he was supposedly up nearly 7 figures from gambling - although that was probably over 10 years ago
Quote from: Hound on April 03, 2008, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: derryexile on April 03, 2008, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 03, 2008, 03:33:13 PM
Isn't that the station 'Statto' Angus Lougran works for? Remember him in Fantasy Football with his pyjamas at the breakfast counter? I think he commentates for them occasionally, so it's probably his baby.
the same statto recently declared bankrupt from gambling debt... still works for the BBC on their racing coverage :-\
Is that true?
There was one stage when he was supposedly up nearly 7 figures from gambling - although that was probably over 10 years ago
That's right, he used to make a big thing about high stake short odds betting, he was a professional gambler. Must have fallen into the trap of chasing his losses.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2008, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 03, 2008, 09:39:29 AM
Torres missing in action again against a top side, anonymous against the likes of United and Arsenal
O RLY??
(http://i29.tinypic.com/k1xji9.jpg)
But Inter aren't a big side... or at least they're not in the same class as Roma or AC Milan. ::)
And the Chelsea goal doesn't count, because it was early in the season and he caught them before they'd gotten properly into the swing of things. Merseyside derby doesn't count either, sure there's no pressure in a game like that for a Liverpool player. So given that he didn't score in the 3 1/2 games he's played against United and Arsenal this season, its obvious that Torres just can't do it against the big teams.
You are too easily wound up!
It's obvious that this is similar goading to that of the Best Footballer on the planet received on this thread before the scouse game at Old Trafford. ;)
I would hardly call Inter a great side, and fair dues his goal against Chelsea proves his pedigree when it comes to the big games. I would hardly call Everton a top team, no matter how big a match its regarded as - he was anonymous against United in the 2 games, and also against Arsenal. Fair enough if he didn't score, but to perform like he did shows him in a different light than that which Liverpool fans see him in when he scores against Derby!
Ok, I was going to bite, but I'm not. Fair enough nrico. Whatever you think yourself.
QuoteIt ended up in the second row of the crowd
Might not have been counted as a pass so ... ::)
I rate Torres, and it's hardly his fault if he's playing as a (token) lone striker when the rest of his team are concentrating on not conceding rather than creating. And, as has been very fairly pointed out, he has scored a lot of goals on the break this year, including those against Chelsea and Inter.
Did anyone see the pig flying past there, Boots being positive about a Liverpool player :P Next thing Grumpy and Stiles will say they play good football!!!!
If he says something positive about gerrard we will know his account has been hacked....
QuotePosted on: Today at 10:17:16 AMPosted by: nifan
Insert Quote
If he says something positive about gerrard we will know his account has been hacked....
Now you know you're just being plain silly ;D
BTW do you use your e-mail account that is against your username nifan?
QuoteBoots being positive about a Liverpool player
I don't really consider him to be a Liverpool player, he's obviously in the shop-window for a big club (as Rafa might say) - another excellent Gillette investment.
QuoteIf he says something positive about gerrard
Relax lads, that's not on the cards - I've even convinced Boots junior that he's a waste of time. ;)
Quote from: Billys Boots on March 10, 2008, 03:04:06 PM
QuoteGerrard playing as a midfielder, but without the responsibilities of marking anyone.
If someone can now explain to him that the easiest pass is not necessarily the worst pass, then ye'll be on the pigs back.
This was very close to Billy saying something good about Gerrard. I think he's coming around lads :D
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 04, 2008, 09:59:44 AM
I would hardly call Inter a great side, and fair dues his goal against Chelsea proves his pedigree when it comes to the big games. I would hardly call Everton a top team, no matter how big a match its regarded as - he was anonymous against United in the 2 games, and also against Arsenal. Fair enough if he didn't score, but to perform like he did shows him in a different light than that which Liverpool fans see him in when he scores against Derby!
Torres is quality but to calibrate, he skinned Tal Ben Haim.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 04, 2008, 10:20:10 AM
BTW do you use your e-mail account that is against your username nifan?
not really anymore actually - it has thousands of mostly junk mails there so i dont look often!
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 04, 2008, 09:59:44 AM
I would hardly call Inter a great side, and fair dues his goal against Chelsea proves his pedigree when it comes to the big games. I would hardly call Everton a top team, no matter how big a match its regarded as - he was anonymous against United in the 2 games, and also against Arsenal. Fair enough if he didn't score, but to perform like he did shows him in a different light than that which Liverpool fans see him in when he scores against Derby!
he's a goal machine plain and simple. 21 lge goals all from play. And his total could have been 26 goals if he had taken the 5 penalties scored by Gerrard/Kuyt. Injured for 4 lge games & "rested" by rafa for another 2, so you do the maths - its a great return!! In my opinion he's the best striker in the premiership at present. He has scored against chelsea, porto, inter & everton - fair enough they're not all great sides but were hugely important games and he delivered. He was also very unlucky not to score against man u at anfield. It's his first season with Liverpool and I think he's only going to get better.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 04, 2008, 10:01:12 AM
Ok, I was going to bite, but I'm not. Fair enough nrico. Whatever you think yourself.
AZ, you're a more patient man than me. somethings just need to be said.
Ok why is everyone getting on his back agbout the Old Trafford ga,e? He was a lone striker for 60 minutes due to Gerrard falling back after the sending off.
QuoteHe was also very unlucky not to score against man u at anfield.
??? Like the Old Trafford game he was no threat. The only chance he got at Anfield was down to VDS flapping. His goals return is good at Anfield against the weaker teams, all I'm saying for the money spent you would expect him to be at least threatening teams like United, Chelsea and Arsenal.
Stop fishing man.
I'm starting to see a bit of a connection between Ronaldo & Torres in regards to going missing against the top teams...
This is hilarious
I see more of a connection between Stevie G and Torres!
Tomorrow's game, hopefully he'll rest players and given what his squad availabiltiy is I hope he rotates like mad and plays this team
Reina
Finnan, Skertl, Arbeloa,Riise
Pennant,Lucas,Alonso,Yossi
Crouch,Vorinin
Probably would lose but may scrape a draw.
Quote from: full back on April 04, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
I'm starting to see a bit of a connection between Ronaldo & Torres in regards to going missing against the top teams...
If Torres is still going "missing" in 3 or 4 years time i would be worried, its not really a fair comparison as Ronaldo has been doing it for a while now.......
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 04, 2008, 12:39:22 PM
Tomorrow's game, hopefully he'll rest players and given what his squad availabiltiy is I hope he rotates like mad and plays this team
Reina
Finnan, Skertl, Arbeloa,Riise
Pennant,Lucas,Alonso,Yossi
Crouch,Vorinin
Probably would lose but may scrape a draw.
with masch suspended, a bit of a cushion in 4th place & the cl game next week, i'd say you could get 10,000/1 on picking rafa's team tomorrow. for what it's worth I think it'll be very similar to the above with maybe arbeloa at rb & carra at cb. voronin should be given one job - hack the living daylights out of fabregas, hleb & flamini :D :D
I would actually play with 10 players and go without Voronin and just drive a concrete post into the ground, hopefully some of the Arsenal players would run into it......
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 04, 2008, 09:59:44 AM
I would hardly call Inter a great side
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Sorry, Inter have been doing well in Europe and dominating Italy for years - they even have the ace in the pack Ibrahimovic!
(http://i31.tinypic.com/15n90n9.jpg)
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 04, 2008, 02:08:14 PM
Sorry, Inter have been doing well in Europe and dominating Italy for years - they even have the ace in the pack Ibrahimovic!
Inter are similar to United, strong domestically, where they feast on the chaff but struggle against top European opposition....Isnt that right Nrico/ Commando?
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 04, 2008, 12:10:25 PM
QuoteHe was also very unlucky not to score against man u at anfield.
??? Like the Old Trafford game he was no threat. The only chance he got at Anfield was down to VDS flapping. His goals return is good at Anfield against the weaker teams, all I'm saying for the money spent you would expect him to be at least threatening teams like United, Chelsea and Arsenal.
ffs he has already scored against Chelsea and in the derby and in the other games no striker is going to be able to score unless he gets the service and in those games the service he got was almost non-existant.
Dear oh dear. Quit trolling.
QuoteIf Torres is still going "missing" in 3 or 4 years time i would be worried, its not really a fair comparison as Ronaldo has been doing it for a while now.......
Matrix, quite different when Ronaldo entered the premier league as a teenager and was just finding his feet in senior football, whereas Torres is older than Ronaldo and has experienced both European and International football previously.
seriously give it up
Ronaldo IS the best midfielder (and in my mind the best player) in the premiership...... Torres is coming close (if not already) the best striker in the premiership. Any right thinking Liverpool fan would love to have Ronaldo in their team as would any right thinking UTD fan love to see Torres play for the Premiership Champions. It really is that simple and we should just enjoy them for the fantastic talents that they BOTH are..
Quote from: EC Unique on April 04, 2008, 03:03:11 PM
Ronaldo IS the best midfielder (and in my mind the best player) in the premiership...... Torres is coming close (if not already) the best striker in the premiership. Any right thinking Liverpool fan would love to have Ronaldo in their team as would any right thinking UTD fan love to see Torres play for the Premiership Champions. It really is that simple and we should just enjoy them for the fantastic talents that they BOTH are..
Feck me, sense has finally broken out! I'd agree wholeheartedly.
Me too.
f**k off. torres is shite
you'll not get many bites at this hour
C'mon RL we know you are watching. :D The thread is going to the dogs.
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Apparently there was trouble at the Arsenal game the other night with people somehow getting in with forged tickets (despite the supposedly high-tech scanners and chips in use in the tickets), causing a near-crush at the away-end gates as people with real tickets had to wait while the police threw those with forged ones out. 200 fans didn't get in until 20 minutes into the game.
There's always a few scumbags ruining it for everyone.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/04/03/forged-match-ticket-chaos-for-liverpool-fc-fans-100252-20714049/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/04/03/forged-match-ticket-chaos-for-liverpool-fc-fans-100252-20714049/)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 05, 2008, 12:04:23 AM
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Saw that on Football365 last week. Class stuff!
Quote from: J70 on April 05, 2008, 12:09:39 AM
Apparently there was trouble at the Arsenal game the other night with people somehow getting in with forged tickets (despite the supposedly high-tech scanners and chips in use in the tickets), causing a near-crush at the away-end gates as people with real tickets had to wait while the police threw those with forged ones out. 200 fans didn't get in until 20 minutes into the game.
There's always a few scumbags ruining it for everyone.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/04/03/forged-match-ticket-chaos-for-liverpool-fc-fans-100252-20714049/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/04/03/forged-match-ticket-chaos-for-liverpool-fc-fans-100252-20714049/)
Must have been more than a few to have caused a crush?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 05, 2008, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: J70 on April 05, 2008, 12:09:39 AM
Apparently there was trouble at the Arsenal game the other night with people somehow getting in with forged tickets (despite the supposedly high-tech scanners and chips in use in the tickets), causing a near-crush at the away-end gates as people with real tickets had to wait while the police threw those with forged ones out. 200 fans didn't get in until 20 minutes into the game.
There's always a few scumbags ruining it for everyone.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/04/03/forged-match-ticket-chaos-for-liverpool-fc-fans-100252-20714049/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/04/03/forged-match-ticket-chaos-for-liverpool-fc-fans-100252-20714049/)
Must have been more than a few to have caused a crush?
There must have been a good few all right if 200 people were delayed. I'm sure some of those thought they were buying genuine tickets off the touts, but there does seem to be an element in there who don't give a fcuk about their fellow fans, particularly after what happened in Athens last year. How the hell did they get into the ground though?
1-0 to Liverpool just before halftime. Lovely turn and finish from Crouch on the edge of the box. Well deserved as well - Liverpool have been easily the better team over the whole half, even if Arsenal were starting to get on top in the past five minutes.
Good debut so far from Plessis in the center of midfield. Looks a very tidy player.
1-1 again. I'll take that!
Under a bit of pressure in the second half, especially towards the end, but the point was thoroughly deserved. Could be very important at the end of the season too.
1-1
Good performance by many of the reserves. Probably deserved to win the game on the balance of play. Voronin missed a glorious chance with 10 minutes to go. Negative being we conceded another goal to a set-piece. Crouch scores again against Arsenal. Very impressive debut from Plessis. Tidy and composed on the ball but has the physical stature to go with it unlike Lucas who looks like a stiff breeze would knock him over. Didn't expect to take anything from that game given we were going to field an understrength side so a point is not bad. Keeps us three ahead of Everton after they beat Derby tomorrow.
Just put Arsenal out of the title race. Hopefully put them out of Europe on Tuesday.
Good result,couldnt believe Wenger played Fabregas the full 90 mins,if ever a player needed a rest its him. Special mention for Pennant,what a waste of space he is
I'll take that.
Pleecy made a very good debut. Vornin is a waste of space, incredibly bad. Must of been wearing wrong studs, he slipped about five times in the ten minutes he played.
yep, very happy with that result considering the team we had out. another goal conceded from a dead ball situation. Nobody followed bentner just like adebayor on wednesday. thats a worry. wenger is sure to exploit that again on tuesday.
Good debut for Plessis, looked very comfortable. Disappointed that rafa didnt try insua or nemeth. Excellent goal by crouch. Absolutely amazing that it was only his 7th lge start of the season. if he goes in the summer, some team will get a very good player.
it's going to be very tight next week, thats for sure.
Great result for UTD. More or less counts Arsenal out of the League. Just need Chelsea to slip up and the 10th Premiership is in the bag ;D ;D Can't understand why Crouch does not start every game! He is bound to feature on Wed night... It will be Very interesting.
10th premiership... as opposed to 17th league championship? Do you really think of football in terms of pre- and post-Sky Sports involvement?
I wouldn't count Chelsea out yet, although I can't see United letting it slip.
It's interesting that Liverpool fans are happy with that result. Any more slipups and Everton COULD be back in contention to make finishing 4th tricky. However, I don't think that will happen but they have Derby tomorrow.
That's a tricky fixture out of the way though, and is a point gained when you consider the team sent out. Everton have both Chelsea and Arsenal as well, I think, so 3 points, with a far better goal difference (Assuming Everton win tomorrow) is still a decent position.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2008, 07:08:01 PM
It's interesting that Liverpool fans are happy with that result. Any more slipups and Everton COULD be back in contention to make finishing 4th tricky. However, I don't think that will happen but they have Derby tomorrow.
How the hell can a point away to Arsenal with team packed with backup players be considered a slip-up? ???
If Liverpool lose the champions league spot, it will certainly not be down to results such as today's.
Remaining fixtures:
Liverpool:
Blackburn (h)
Fulham (a)
Birmingham (a)
Man City (h)
Tottenham (a)
Everton:
Derby (h)
Birmingham (a)
Chelsea (h)
Villa (h)
Arsenal (a)
Newcastle (h)
Liverpool still have to go to Chelsea don't they?
Liverpool and chelsea played out a soporific 0-0 at the bridge two months ago. By the way that makes four seasons of Rafa in charge without away win in the league against a top 4 club
Todays game reinforced a few things,Pennant should only play when we are resting players towards the end of this season when we have more important days out and he should be out the door in the summer. One time before he went off he lost the ball and then clutched his hamstring but was running freely twenty seconds later,he must be spending too much time with Kewell. Voronin should also be shown the door as he couldnt score in a whorehouse ( unlike wayne rooney ). Skrtel is slowly settling in,today he was just lumping the ball when necessary instead of thinking he is Franco Baresi,as has been the case.
Quote from: EC Unique on April 05, 2008, 06:10:15 PM
Great result for UTD. More or less counts Arsenal out of the League.
maybe not!!! great weekend for chelsea. means arsenal go into next sundays match with a glimmer of hope. and hopefully at that stage, it'll be the only competition left for arsenal ;)
Quote from: Minder on April 05, 2008, 11:22:51 PM
One time before he went off he lost the ball and then clutched his hamstring but was running freely twenty seconds later
Pennant out for tonight's clash so maybe the injury was genuine after all :o
What does everyone think the line up will be tonight. I'd like to see crouch on at some stage and I'd prefer to see Babel come off the bench, to run at the gunners when they're tiring. But in truth, I cant see rafa changing too much from the 1st leg - maybe carra back at cb to partner skrtel and either finnan/arbeloa at rb. I'd certainly welcome that change. and as for voronin, if he's even given the job of ballboy, that'd be too much responsibility for my liking!!!
Is Voronin the only free transfer in history who represents a BAD buy? Woegeous.
Very unsure about tonight. I do have a soft spot for Arsenal and the way they play (It's at the bottom of my garden boom, boom), and so I think they will probably score. Can Liverpool score more than them?
I can't see a 0-0, but I'm fearful that that is exactly what Rafa is thinking.
Please not penalties.
I think Rafa has been too careful - he may be proved right in the end, but I think Arsenal are more dangerous away from home. I don't think the Liverpool midfield is tight enough to stop Arsenal making chances. What's at issue is whether Arsenal can take their chances. I agree with AZ - I think Rafa is looking for a 0-0 result; a brave move for a man not secure in his job.
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 08, 2008, 09:35:53 AM
I think Rafa has been too careful - he may be proved right in the end, but I think Arsenal are more dangerous away from home. I don't think the Liverpool midfield is tight enough to stop Arsenal making chances. What's at issue is whether Arsenal can take their chances. I agree with AZ - I think Rafa is looking for a 0-0 result; a brave move for a man not secure in his job.
To be honest, my biggest worry is from set pieces. No doubt wenger will have a plan to exploit Liverpool's "weakness" in that area. Aresnal's midfield is very creative but lately look very tired so I think we should do ok there. Another big performance required from mascherano. And hopefully alonso will turn up for a change. Need somebody to take a hold in the midfield.
I dont necessarily believe Rafa is going for a 0-0. That would be very foolish. It'll definitely be a cautious approach but looking to score on the counter attack. As long as the counter attack doesnt involve reina & carragher launching scuds, then its a tactic that could work.
Going to be a long night, I reckon. Very doubtful if we will hold them scoreless and can't approach game looking to do so. I actually expect Liverpool to blitz them early on with a high tempo and look for an early goal, much as we have done against Barca (didn't score but done everything but score), Chelsea, Juventus etc in the past.
Torres will get a couple of chances over the course of the game and will have to take one if not two. Arsenal delivery from set plays is very good and they have exploited tis twice over the last two games and will look to do so again. Need to be very careful not to give away silly frees in dangerous areas.
Still think tie is wide open but glad to have the away goal sorted.
Thats a good point bingobus. All our best performances in CL have been when we go at them early with high tempo. And with the fans behind them tonight, I think thats exactly the way they'll start.
But as you say, it's wide open and it could be a long night.
Here's the Liverpool team:
Reina
Carragher Skrtel Hyypia Aurelio
Mascherano Alonso
Kuyt Gerrard
Torres Crouch
Itandje
Arbeloa
Riise
Lucas
Benayoun
Babel
I thought it was a bit nasty of itv to show Thomas scoring against us in 89. . . ."its up for grabs now" i dont think i will ever forget Brian Moores words !
and george hamilton borught it up on rte2 aswell. i remember watching in on the same channel with the same wee f**ker commentating all those years ago.
brave selection by rafa, lets hope it pays off. here we go.
Rafa has blown it. Gerrard is not a winger and drifts in too much so we have no width. Everything is down the middle.
Thank God for Sami... :)
thank God Arse didn't have a taller man on the post
Thank god you boys got your voices back.
Great game comon Arsenal
Get Kuyt off to f**k
jaysus minder, thought kuyt was one of the few who turned up for that first half. along with sami of course!!
boys v men for most of that half. liverpool totally outplayed and if arsenal had pushed on a bit more after the goal, it could have been all over. alonso caught napping for the goal and likewise senderos at the other end. good to see flamini coming off from liverpool point of view.
delicately poised.
i want to see Kuyt off, Babel on, Gerard on the right wing.
Need to get torres running against Senderos, im not too confident about the next 45, but fingers crossed!
Have to get Gerrard of the wing! Good game, not great for the nerves though!
Get Risse out on to the left and take alonso off, he has no pace to get back after the pass breaks down.
First 25 minutes we were awful. Rafa's selection unbalanced the whole team and Arsenal had way too much room in midfield. Gerrard was stuck out on the left wing.
Been the better side since we equalised but you do worry that another Arsenal goal will leave us needing three to win.
If they can survive the first 25 mins of the second without conceding then they should finish the game stronger. Arsenal going to come out all guns blazing! See you at the end!
kuyt will stay on, mark my words. rafa will be have penalty takers at the back of his mind. alonso hasnt turned up but he'll stay on for same reason.
give it 20mins and crouch will be off, babel on & back to the 4-4-1-1 formation. big pete is doing well but babel will be needed to run at the tired legs later in game.
Quote from: hardstation on April 08, 2008, 08:53:40 PM
Rumour has it that Fearon was out having a burger when Hyypia scored. He is back in his seats now. Be afraid, Liverpool fans.
Sound about right Stevo-08, if you were a fly on the wall in the dressing, you'd be back with the same info!
Nandoooooooooooooooooo...............
The speedboat against the oil tanker....only 1 winner :D
No need to play any more games, just give them the cup. ::)
I've never heard such biased commentry........."oh no" when penalty awarded. Fcuk ye cnuts in RTE :D
Not good for the ticker.....
Quote from: dodo on April 08, 2008, 09:31:28 PM
I've never heard such biased commentry........."oh no" when penalty awarded. Fcuk ye cnuts in RTE :D
Commentators dont award penalties though.
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2008, 09:33:11 PM
Quote from: dodo on April 08, 2008, 09:31:28 PM
I've never heard such biased commentry........."oh no" when penalty awarded. Fcuk ye cnuts in RTE :D
Commentators dont award penalties though.
Profound but true :-\
PAYBACK FOR 89 MOTHER f**kers
Quote from: stevo-08 on April 08, 2008, 08:48:37 PM
kuyt will stay on, mark my words. rafa will be have penalty takers at the back of his mind. alonso hasnt turned up but he'll stay on for same reason.
give it 20mins and crouch will be off, babel on & back to the 4-4-1-1 formation. big pete is doing well but babel will be needed to run at the tired legs later in game.
think i called that about right!!
feck me, im exhausted
What a game of football.
Bring on Chelsea.
Poor Liam Brady is nearly in tears.
Torres and Gerrard go missing in the big games again.........
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
Torres and Gerrard go missing in the big games again.........
to be fair - Gerrard was poor
Unreal that was as good as it gets! Think we deserved it! Bring on Chelski :)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 08, 2008, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
Torres and Gerrard go missing in the big games again.........
to be fair - Gerrard was poor
To be fair it was a grand penalty......
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
Torres and Gerrard go missing in the big games again.........
Torres is a striker and scored, he did his job. Gerrard is a fraud but was only exposed by quality central midfielders like Keane and Viera.
Tony Adams, Charlie George, Ian Wright, Lee Dixon, George Graham......your boys took one hell of a beating!
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2008, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
Torres and Gerrard go missing in the big games again.........
Torres is a striker and scored, he did his job. Gerrard is a fraud but was only exposed by quality central midfielders like Keane and Viera.
Like the Murphy's, he's not bitter. ;D
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2008, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
Torres and Gerrard go missing in the big games again.........
Torres is a striker and scored, he did his job. Gerrard is a fraud but was only exposed by quality central midfielders like Keane and Viera.
:D :D
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 02, 2008, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 02, 2008, 10:58:49 PM
Going by Arsenal's last 4 visits to Anfield, this should be no bother. We always score. Arsenal were miles the better side and would have been 5-0 winners on another night. looking like an Arse-Barca final.
Now, now, ever hear of waiting in the long grass. ;)
Now do you get what i mean?
I'm not a soccer fan, but I got to admit I enjoyed that game. Admittely, only saw the final 20 minutes.
What where those c***ts saying on rte after that?
Watching the game on ESPN, feckin half cut and it's not even 2 pm
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 08, 2008, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2008, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
Torres and Gerrard go missing in the big games again.........
Torres is a striker and scored, he did his job. Gerrard is a fraud but was only exposed by quality central midfielders like Keane and Viera.
Like the Murphy's, he's not bitter. ;D
What's bitter about that? I was defending Torres and pointing what I think is a flaw in a major player. Giles agreed and said he should have been taken off. Not often you heard that said about Keane is it?
Lads lets not digress here, those arguments are for another day......We won
Congratulations liverpool - In fairness its hard not to be the slightest bit bitter.
The referee gives that penalty - and it was a bigger call than the one not given. 5 mins left and it gives liverpool the lifeline.
My honest opinion is that Toure was trying to get out of the way - anyways another one bites the dust.
I think Walcotts run deserved to send arsenal through to the semi final.
Now all I can hope is that liverpool win the CL - and Chelsea win the PL. :)
Quote from: Puckoon on April 08, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
Congratulations liverpool - In fairness its hard not to be the slightest bit bitter.
The referee gives that penalty - and it was a bigger call than the one not given. 5 mins left and it gives liverpool the lifeline.
My honest opinion is that Toure was trying to get out of the way - anyways another one bites the dust.
I think Walcotts run deserved to send arsenal through to the semi final.
Now all I can hope is that liverpool win the CL - and Chelsea win the PL. :)
I will second that.......
Quote from: Puckoon on April 08, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
I think Walcotts run deserved to send arsenal through to the semi final.
As soon as he picked up the ball I was screaming at Aurelio and then Mascherano to take the booking and rugby tackle him.
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 08, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
Congratulations liverpool - In fairness its hard not to be the slightest bit bitter.
The referee gives that penalty - and it was a bigger call than the one not given. 5 mins left and it gives liverpool the lifeline.
My honest opinion is that Toure was trying to get out of the way - anyways another one bites the dust.
I think Walcotts run deserved to send arsenal through to the semi final.
Now all I can hope is that liverpool win the CL - and Chelsea win the PL. :)
I will second that.......
I'll second the first part but Chelsea dont deserve to win the PL. At least United try to play.
I dont really care muppet - the stick and arrogance I endure from the UTD fans in work (who couldnt kick snow off a ditch) has me rooting firmly against them. :-\
Substance triumphs over style.....
gerrard in interview after match "thats probably my worst performance in a liverpool shirt" :o
His worst performance would have included a missed penalty... :-\
Quote from: stevo-08 on April 08, 2008, 09:57:47 PM
gerrard in interview after match "thats probably my worst performance in a liverpool shirt" :o
Maybe he is bitter. ;D
As a Gooner's fan, I should say 'well done Liverpool' - but you have to admit that Gerrard's goal was offside....
I thought Skrtl and Aurelio both had their best games in Red Shirts tonight. Carragher isnt a right back, i would have much rather seen Arbeola playing there in future.
Gerard was much more noticable when moved into the supporting striker role, hes not at home out on the left.
The golden labador cant kick wont kick, but he puts in some 90min session.
Great row on RTE.
Brady about to walk off.
Liam Brady is going spare on RTE.
Skertl had a mighty game and had the measure of Adeybayor until his flukey/offside/squareball goal near the end. My mate who is a United fan told me he was doing a wee dance of delight in his living room and the next thing he looked Babel was on his hole in the penalty area........
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch on April 08, 2008, 09:59:54 PM
As a Gooner's fan, I should say 'well done Liverpool' - but you have to admit that Gerrard's goal was offside....
An offside penalty?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 08, 2008, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 08, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
I think Walcotts run deserved to send arsenal through to the semi final.
As soon as he picked up the ball I was screaming at Aurelio and then Mascherano to take the booking and rugby tackle him.
Think Mascherano got in the way of Hypia making any sort of a tackle on Walcott. Some run. Started with a Stevie G fresh air.
Its hard to beat when a mate phones you to give abuse about going behind, then gerard sticks one in the back of the net when hes still on the phone! :D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 08, 2008, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 08, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
I think Walcotts run deserved to send arsenal through to the semi final.
As soon as he picked up the ball I was screaming at Aurelio and then Mascherano to take the booking and rugby tackle him.
Yep, amazed one of them didn't nail him, especially when that gap was there for him if they didn't. At least it wasn't costly in the finish.
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2008, 10:02:11 PM
Great row on RTE.
Brady about to walk off.
What's been said?
Quote from: stiffler on April 08, 2008, 10:06:36 PM
Its hard to beat when a mate phones you to give abuse about going behind, then gerard sticks one in the back of the net when hes still on the phone! :D
I wish now i had ansewered mine, it was bouncing on the table after Arsenals second then suddenlly there was silence.
What happened on RTE as i cant get it on Sky digital
Quote from: gawa316 on April 08, 2008, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2008, 10:02:11 PM
Great row on RTE.
Brady about to walk off.
What's been said?
Brady taking exception of Wenger criticism. Dunphy telling Brady that they are entitled to ask questions of Wenger and his comments leading up to this Liverpool 'trilogy' where he said that this would define his Arsenal team.
Quote from: stiffler on April 08, 2008, 10:00:28 PM
I thought Skrtl and Aurelio both had their best games in Red Shirts tonight. Carragher isnt a right back, i would have much rather seen Arbeola playing there in future.
Gerard was much more noticable when moved into the supporting striker role, hes not at home out on the left.
The golden labador cant kick wont kick, but he puts in some 90min session.
totally agree. Aurelio in particular impressed me. Hadnt rated him too highly but he's playing very good ball this last few games. we all give out about kuyt but he really does put in a savage amount of work. ideal for playing the top teams when we face attacking full backs.
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
What happened on RTE as i cant get it on Sky digital
I missed the beginning of it but apparently they showed some clip of Wenger that Brady took umbrage with and he said "if I had known you were going to show that I wouldn't have bothered turning up today". He looked ready to take off his mic and bugger off until Bill calmed him down.
Dunphy stoking the fire beside him the whole time with a big grin on his face.
Showed a compilation of wenger on the touchline on Wed last and Sat, all animated and frustrated. Dunphy referred to him as doing a John Cleese impression. Chippy was livid and said it was a setup and uncalled for. Dry your eyes Liam.
Well done Liverpool. Arsenal aren't in the top 4 teams in Europe at present so don't deserve to be there.
jesus lads what a game... emotional rollercoaster!!
Feckers ryanair crashed the site as I was processing me flights for the Chelsea game... 45 euros all in... then BANG!!
Easyjet still have all in flights for 50 quid sterling which i quite good...
Have tried the usual suspects like the adelphi, holiday inn, marriot etc for accomodation but they are all 140 plus for the night... anyone else got a suggestion of where would be decent?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 08, 2008, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 08, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
What happened on RTE as i cant get it on Sky digital
I missed the beginning of it but apparently they showed some clip of Wenger that Brady took umbrage with and he said "if I had known you were going to show that I wouldn't have bothered turning up today". He looked ready to take off his mic and bugger off until Bill calmed him down.
Dunphy stoking the fire beside him the whole time with a big grin on his face.
Yep, Dunphy saying he was in on the editorial production. Brady said he hadn't been and Dunphy said that was cos he missed the bus, doing press conferences and so on. :D Thought that was going to make him erupt.
Quote from: ONeill on April 08, 2008, 10:15:02 PM
Well done Liverpool. Arsenal aren't in the top 4 teams in Europe at present so don't deserve to be there.
Fair play O'Neill. Not easy after looking like you were going through with 5 minutes left.
Hope ye can recover to take something from United next weekend.
They showed a medley of clips of Wenger losing the plot on the sideline including last saturday's match to suggest Wenger has been losing it for a while. Brady said if he knew that was part of the editorial script he wouldn't have come on the show.
Dunphy then wound it up by saying he was part of the editorial team that selected the clips and that they were entitled to play it.
In fairness to Brady guesting on a show where there is a set up of your boss puts him in a difficult position. I seem to remember Giles suggesting his position might by untenable as an RTE pundit if he was involved in the appointment of the Ireland boss.
I always found that ironic that a football might consider resigning over such a matter while oh say a politician would'nt dream of such a thing.
Aye hopefully they kick the shit out of United on Sunday. Get Torres to put his feet up now for a couple of weeks.
Quote from: derryexile on April 08, 2008, 10:15:41 PM
jesus lads what a game... emotional rollercoaster!!
Feckers ryanair crashed the site as I was processing me flights for the Chelsea game... 45 euros all in... then BANG!!
Easyjet still have all in flights for 50 quid sterling which i quite good...
Have tried the usual suspects like the adelphi, holiday inn, marriot etc for accomodation but they are all 140 plus for the night... anyone else got a suggestion of where would be decent?
try the premier inn(west derby), 3miles from city centre, 2 miles from anfield
01512284724
Quote from: derryexile on April 08, 2008, 10:15:41 PM
jesus lads what a game... emotional rollercoaster!!
Feckers ryanair crashed the site as I was processing me flights for the Chelsea game... 45 euros all in... then BANG!!
Easyjet still have all in flights for 50 quid sterling which i quite good...
Have tried the usual suspects like the adelphi, holiday inn, marriot etc for accomodation but they are all 140 plus for the night... anyone else got a suggestion of where would be decent?
There is a real cheap place down near Albert Dock called the Formula 1 hotel or something. Doesn't have much staff or anything. Just the basics. A bed and a bog.
Essien will miss 1st leg against Liverpool
Brady was correct in his premise. Wih 5 mins left, Arsenal were through. One silly stumble/tackle and they're out. Wenger would have been regarded as a genius by Dunphy (he more or less said that at Christmas) if hey'd seen out that period.
Chelsea v Utd final I'm afreard.
I'd love a Liverpool beating Utd final.
Quote from: muppet on April 08, 2008, 10:02:11 PM
Great row on RTE.
Brady about to walk off.
Brady sounded as if he had a few scoops in him :o
Quote from: ONeill on April 08, 2008, 10:23:16 PM
Brady was correct in his premise. Wih 5 mins left, Arsenal were through. One silly stumble/tackle and they're out. Wenger would have been regarded as a genius by Dunphy (he more or less said that at Christmas) if hey'd seen out that period.
Chelsea v Utd final I'm afreard.
I'd love a Liverpool beating Utd final.
Im not sure we could beat them this year, nor could i watch it
What a roller coaster. First of all, my hat is off to Arsenal. They were absolutely out on their feet, but kept trying to play their football right to the death, and would have been deserving winners had the last 5 minutes not happened. Fair play to them, and very hard luck. But Wenger will strengthen them in the summer, his laudable policy of nurturing youngsters just needs a little boost in the shape of a couple of more experienced players to add depth. Seriously, well done to Arsenal for 3/4 of this season, and I would love to see Liverpool play the same brand of football.
However. Delighted for Liverpool as well, played poorly in the first half and were very lucky to still be in the game. Much better in the second half, and looked like winners for a long time. Torres took his goal very well after being well marshalled by a combination of Gallas and Liverpool's poor play. Then the madness. What a run by Walcott, fantastic stuff, and a little part of me was glad he wasn't brought down. That's the sort of play you just have to admire. But even when they scored, I said to the wife 'This is not over' and I had barely the words spoken when Babel (who was very good when he came on fresh) made his burst. I thought it was a pen when it happened, and I still think it was a pen after looking at it, but it was far, far less certain than the one not given at the Emirates. Fair play to Gerrard who put what he correctly called one of his worst performances in a Red shirt behind him, and took it very well. After that Arsenal were always going to be prone to the sucker punch, and Babel was the right man up front at that stage.
I thought Rafa got it wrong with the 4-4-2, especially with Gerrard wide left. I'd have played Kuyt over there and Gerrard on the right if I was going to do that.It's not as if Kuyt is a natural winger on either side, so you wouldn't be losing much, whereas Gerrard looked completely at sea out there. The Crouch call was brave, and paid off to a certain extent, but I feel that the balance is lost with this Liverpool side when you try and fit Gerrard into a 4 man midfield with Mascherano and Alonso.
I thought the back 4, especially Aurelio and my man of the match, Skrtel, were very good, even if Carra continues to look completely lost at right back. I thought Masch was good tonight, better than last week for longer periods, and I thought Alonso was poor again.
Liverpool still give the ball away much too easily, and are very hard on the eye when put in stark contrast with a team like Arsenal, but my God are they 100%ers in terms of effort, application and courage. I love Liverpool FC no matter what style they play, for nights and heart like that, but I would love it if they could couple that with a game like Arsenal or Man Utd play. Then we'd be back for real.
Anyway, roll on Chelsea, another tough tie, and once again, sincere hard luck to Arsenal.
Lads both semis on the same night???
Both down on the BBC website as such...
Cheers for the Formulae 1 hotel... cheap as chips!
Quote from: derryexile on April 08, 2008, 10:31:34 PM
Cheers for the Formulae 1 hotel... cheap as chips!
Well it is a shithole. ;D
But it's grand for somewhere cheap to lay your head for a night.
Jaysus - just remembered Fearon was there. Expect 226 threads.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2008, 10:28:35 PM
What a roller coaster. First of all, my hat is off to Arsenal. They were absolutely out on their feet, but kept trying to play their football right to the death, and would have been deserving winners had the last 5 minutes not happened. Fair play to them, and very hard luck. But Wenger will strengthen them in the summer, his laudable policy of nurturing youngsters just needs a little boost in the shape of a couple of more experienced players to add depth. Seriously, well done to Arsenal for 3/4 of this season, and I would love to see Liverpool play the same brand of football.
However. Delighted for Liverpool as well, played poorly in the first half and were very lucky to still be in the game. Much better in the second half, and looked like winners for a long time. Torres took his goal very well after being well marshalled by a combination of Gallas and Liverpool's poor play. Then the madness. What a run by Walcott, fantastic stuff, and a little part of me was glad he wasn't brought down. That's the sort of play you just have to admire. But even when they scored, I said to the wife 'This is not over' and I had barely the words spoken when Babel (who was very good when he came on fresh) made his burst. I thought it was a pen when it happened, and I still think it was a pen after looking at it, but it was far, far less certain than the one not given at the Emirates. Fair play to Gerrard who put what he correctly called one of his worst performances in a Red shirt behind him, and took it very well. After that Arsenal were always going to be prone to the sucker punch, and Babel was the right man up front at that stage.
I thought Rafa got it wrong with the 4-4-2, especially with Gerrard wide left. I'd have played Kuyt over there and Gerrard on the right if I was going to do that.It's not as if Kuyt is a natural winger on either side, so you wouldn't be losing much, whereas Gerrard looked completely at sea out there. The Crouch call was brave, and paid off to a certain extent, but I feel that the balance is lost with this Liverpool side when you try and fit Gerrard into a 4 man midfield with Mascherano and Alonso.
I thought the back 4, especially Aurelio and my man of the match, Skrtel, were very good, even if Carra continues to look completely lost at right back. I thought Masch was good tonight, better than last week for longer periods, and I thought Alonso was poor again.
Liverpool still give the ball away much too easily, and are very hard on the eye when put in stark contrast with a team like Arsenal, but my God are they 100%ers in terms of effort, application and courage. I love Liverpool FC no matter what style they play, for nights and heart like that, but I would love it if they could couple that with a game like Arsenal or Man Utd play. Then we'd be back for real.
Anyway, roll on Chelsea, another tough tie, and once again, sincere hard luck to Arsenal.
very well said AZ. not alot wrong with that analysis.
exile try and stay outta Angels when your over there you snake!
Quote from: stiffler on April 08, 2008, 10:36:28 PM
exile try and stay outta Angels when your over there you snake!
:o
Wouldn't know what you mean stiffler...
Scenes a plenty!
What a game, nearly launched the child across the room about 4 times in last twenty minutes!!!
Thought that until Liverpool equlised that they were struggling, after that they bossed alot of the play and Arsenal chances were limited while Liverpool themselves weren't forcing the keeper into too many saves either. But as I posted today, Torres was bound to get one chance and boy did he finish. Was sick to the stomach at this stage and knew that it would be a grandstand finish. Great Arsenal second goal but with Gerard having a mare and swinging wildly at ball that should have Row Z or back of net, the stage was set.
Head was still hanging when the penalty was given and a cool finish by Gerard and then nicely wrapped up by the lively Babel.
Two CB were solid as was Aurielo. Masch and Kuyt covered every blade and while they give it again needlessly at times, they can take credit. Torres very qiuet till goal, Crouch was very effective and those round him didn't make the must of his knock ons etc.
Thought Arsenal played well early on but restored to a long of long balls that played into Liverpools hands. Then when they got the ball in the second half they didn't have the same drive as first half and passed it in front of liverpool. Theuy missed Flamini big time, Gilberto is a shadow of himself.
Delighted to go through and think over the tie it was anybodies game.
Roll on the Chelsea again and another two nights of tension.
Liverpool will be in bother in the semi as this time the first leg will be at Anfield, the second at Stamford Bridge. That has not happened in the previous two semi-finals.
I prefer it that way around, and I would take 0-0 at Anfield
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 08, 2008, 10:49:42 PM
I prefer it that way around, and I would take 0-0 at Anfield
Yeah, not to conceed the away goal once again plus to to nick one at the Bridge.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2008, 10:48:42 PM
Liverpool will be in bother in the semi as this time the first leg will be at Anfield, the second at Stamford Bridge. That has not happened in the previous two semi-finals.
Will be nice for a change ;D Similar to Inter this year, will take a 1-0 home win first tie.
Essien out of first leg, booked tonight. Liverpool have Gerard & Carra on a second booking.
What a game, Thank God for that.
I think they deserved it on the night, they were being murdered up to the goal but after that they were the better team overall for the next hour and deserved to win. Also they tried to attack at 2-1 up and again at 3-2 so they can't say they defended it backs against the wall. The game could have ended 6 -4 if Mascherano could take the blinkers off!!
I thought Skrtel did well if a bit slack for the first goal but Aurelio is and was poor, has very poor control and did very poorly against Walcott for the second goal. Alonso doesn't have the legs for the midfield and carra offers little at RB either but it's not a night for criticising, what a win!!
I hope that is Ryan Babel come of age, it could be the start of something special (fingers crossed).
Fair play to them, they came back at 1-0 and again at 2-2 so the character is there and they attacked all the way through apart from the first half hour where Arsenal dominated. Arsenal was very good then but their character must be brittle the way they fell apart after the Sami goal. I know some Arsenal people will be upset but if Bendtner cant jump over a ball (wanted the glory I think) and Adebayor cannot score from 10 yards, then they can have no complaints.
It was a penalty, Toure knocked Babel off balance in full flow ( not as clear cut as last week but still a penalty) and what a goal from Torres, deserved it too cos he never give up.
All in all fantastic night, we'll worry about the team and Chelsea later, fair play to them and to Rafa too, he picked a positive selection and the team attacked, imagine what we would be if everyone at the club got behind him!!!
P.S. Which Liverpool player got robbed tonight? :D
Police looking for Fabregas cos he was not seen for 45 minutes.
Too soon? :D
Liverpool (and Celtic) have proven on home games in CL that average players can play above themselves with the crowd behind them. The translations do not work in the league or cup games as they are usually during the day and the effect of the crowd is lost in the open daylight.
I am neutral here lads and congrats on the win, and I admire both teams for different reasons. Absolute pleassure to watch and take it all in. Atmosphere at anfield on european night sounds unbelievable.
But dont get defensive, it wasnt a peno. Ive seen it from 5 different angles and arsenal defender tryed to get out of the way and was successful. It is irrelevant anyway as yee won but ye have got serious rub of green last 3 games that has turned tie in yer favour in all the games.
Have to say it looks like a manutd v pool final doesnt it. I hope pool play better in that than 2 league games. I support a huge club in league 1 ;).
not Leeds then :D
Well worked out, heard all the jokes at this stage ;).
Nothing could put me in a bad mood after watching that outstanding match, only wish it lasted a couple more hours. Fantastic.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 08, 2008, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 08, 2008, 10:15:02 PM
Well done Liverpool. Arsenal aren't in the top 4 teams in Europe at present so don't deserve to be there.
Fair play O'Neill. Not easy after looking like you were going through with 5 minutes left.
Hope ye can recover to take something from United next weekend.
I think thats pure balls. By that rationale Chelsea and liverpool are in the top 4 teams in Europe?? If they are then we arent a kick in the balls away from being there either.
While I agree that we arent necessarily in the top 4 - (its probably a fans debate to be honest between the other big 3 in the PL - Man united are a shoo in) that has nothing to do with deserving or not deserving a place in the champions league semi final.
We didnt win the tie - which is why we dont deserve to be there - however Liam Brady has it right - arsenal must feel (at least this fan does) that we havnt had our just rewards over the course of the season. That young team fought their hearts out tonight in Anfield stadium, they played their arses off last week at the emirates. Everyone needs a little rub of the green to progress. What arsenal have achieved this season they have had to bust a gut for, and they can certainly feel aggrieved at the double edged nature of penalty decisions, which effectively resulted in a 3 goal swing against a team of CL calibre and experience like liverpool.
I am not belittling Liverpool, or Man Uniteds achievements this season - I wouldnt say they have had above average luck in any instances compared to other teams - dont get me wrong. Arsenal however must be wondering why they cant even acheive average luck. Even slightly below average luck. f**k it, any kind of luck whatsoever except for the rotten luck we've had thus far.
You cant rely on luck - but a bad dose can fairly fcuk you in the ass when you least expect it.
Liverpool - Bring it home.
Thought Babel did very well to stay on his feet for the last goal, considering he got wobbly legs a couple of minute's ealier to go down for a peno!
In the end 2 horrible penalty descisions (1 in each leg) cost the Gooners..... ALMOST feel sorry for them! - But I'm sure Wenger will winge about it for the next couple of weeks any way - sickening everyone!
Dream final still could be on! :o ;D
Quote from: derryexile on April 08, 2008, 10:15:41 PM
jesus lads what a game... emotional rollercoaster!!
Feckers ryanair crashed the site as I was processing me flights for the Chelsea game... 45 euros all in... then BANG!!
Easyjet still have all in flights for 50 quid sterling which i quite good...
Have tried the usual suspects like the adelphi, holiday inn, marriot etc for accomodation but they are all 140 plus for the night... anyone else got a suggestion of where would be decent?
Premier Inn ( City Centre ) is better than the other Premier Hotel suggested. Modern & clean with a mighty comfy bed. £60 quid a double room per night.
Formula 1 is a shit hole
What a match!
While Liverpool were poor in the opening half hour (must have been half a dozen passes sent over the sideline), they were very good for the remaining hour, and were dominating when it was 2-1. Great run by Walcott for the equaliser but I knew there was still plenty of time for Liverpool to get back. I thought Liverpool were the better team on the night and deserved the win. We certainly owed Arsenal one (at least).
While Alonso was dire in the first half, I thought he was the major controlling influence in the second. Demanded the ball, played with urgency and was very positive.
Babel is so much more of an influence when he's a sub rather than a starter. His pace and power has much more impact against tiring legs. He should be a great player in the future, but for this season he should always be supersub.
I don't like seeing Carra at right back. He did alright, but I think I'd prefer either Finnan or Arbeloa.
Deadly result last night. My heart was pumping for about an hour afterwards. Wenger is doing some yapping in the papers this morning. What ever happened to being gracious in defeat?
Quote from: Hound on April 09, 2008, 08:44:19 AM
Babel is so much more of an influence when he's a sub rather than a starter. His pace and power has much more impact against tiring legs. He should be a great player in the future, but for this season he should always be supersub.
Very powerful when he went down in the box!! :-\
I would be moaning if I was Wenger too - a challenge nowhere near as illegal as the one executed by Kuyt last week wins the game for Liverpool - I feel for Arsenal, Liverpool have lady luck again and also had a nice little rest at the weekend too.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 09, 2008, 08:59:27 AM
I would be moaning if I was Wenger too - a challenge nowhere near as illegal as the one executed by Kuyt last week wins the game for Liverpool - I feel for Arsenal, Liverpool have lady luck again and also had a nice little rest at the weekend too.
These things happen in football. Sometimes decisions go your way and sometimes they don't. Gerard rightly applauded Arsenal after the game. they've played some excellent football in the last 3 games. In the first 25 mins last night I thought we were in for a hammering. They looked a bit more tired in the second half but fought well to get the equaliser with that great run by wallcott. The penalty decision could have went either way but luckily on the night we got it. Gerrard showed great composure for the penalty and Babels pace showed against a tiring Fabregas for the last goal. 3 games on the trot for him fairly showed.
All in all a great night
Why can't people enjoy the Liverpool win and not worry about Wenger ::)
Haven't read through this thread yet but at the end it did come down to penalties, one not given and one given, if ever there was need for a TV replay in soccer those two penalties are the evidence...
Anyhow Liverpool stilled deserved to go through, they didn't sit back and had a right go at Arsenal whose defence was again shown to be naive bordering on shambles. Liverpools European pedigree is amazing and they will be in the final in Moscow and from here on in they'll have my support, for whatever that is worth..
A great game, really enjoyed it. All Arsenal for the first half-hour, all Liverpool for the final hour. Neither defence looked particularly solid, though Skyrtl had a decent game. MOTM for me was Mascherano, he made it really difficult for Arsenal to get any slow settled ball through the middle, and gave his wide men loads of possession. Clichy wasn't far behind, and if he was English, would be up for plaudits for player of the season.
In the end the (very even) match rested on two penalty decisions, and on that basis I feel very sorry for Arsenal - they've played the best football I've seen anywhere in Europe this season and will end up empty-handed. They are lacking something in the middle, and will have to lose Eboue and Senderos.
Liverpool will need to extend the run of jamminess to win the tournament; Chelsea's power and strength will be a different prospect, but I'm sure Rafa already has a cunning plan. In a one-off final, which suits them less, they could mug either Manure or Barca. Who knows?
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on April 09, 2008, 09:16:29 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 09, 2008, 08:59:27 AM
I would be moaning if I was Wenger too - a challenge nowhere near as illegal as the one executed by Kuyt last week wins the game for Liverpool - I feel for Arsenal, Liverpool have lady luck again and also had a nice little rest at the weekend too.
These things happen in football. Sometimes decisions go your way and sometimes they don't. Gerard rightly applauded Arsenal after the game. they've played some excellent football in the last 3 games. In the first 25 mins last night I thought we were in for a hammering. They looked a bit more tired in the second half but fought well to get the equaliser with that great run by wallcott. The penalty decision could have went either way but luckily on the night we got it. Gerrard showed great composure for the penalty and Babels pace showed against a tiring Fabregas for the last goal. 3 games on the trot for him fairly showed.
All in all a great night
Liverpool are the jammiest b**tards I've ever seen. How can they lose with refs like that? 2 men off in the Inter tie, pen last week not given and then pen last night.....sickening. I thought Arsenal were going to coast it in first half hour but they froze after Hypia's goal and allowed Liverpool back into it. Whilst Liverpool had the majority of possession in the second half you could hardly say they were all over them....didn't make a clear cut chance until Torres scored....whilst Arsenal had 2/3 good opportunities in the first. The last ten were frantic to say the least! Hopefully 3rd time lucky for Chelski in the semi and a final meeting with Utd...with Utd winning of course :)
It will be a Chelsea v Man U/Barca final. Liverpools luck will run out, but I suppose when you have teams like Chelsea/Arsenal/United challenging for the league aswell then Liverpool should be fresher as they only have the CL to play for.
Great game that had everything. Arsenal looked in devestating form the first 20 mins and played the best football of the 3 macthes in this period. Arsenal will feel robbed over the penalty saga but Im happy enough as the dream final is still on :o :o
I wouldnt be too hard on Wenger, i dont think Benitez or Whiskeynose would have been too gracious after suffering a defeat like that either. Walcott is lightning quick but Mascherano was close to catching until he fell on his hole.......
QuoteWalcott is lightning quick but Mascherano was close to catching until he fell on his hole
Close, but not close enough!
I dont think too many have mentioned his name here yet, but what about Sami Hyypia. Talk about a player who always delivers in big matches!!! Yes, he's 34 and has lost a few yards of pace but he makes up for that with guts & heart. Nearly 450 appearances for the club and 3 CL q-final goals :o :o Has also scored lge goals against man u & arsenal down through the years and was one of the very few Liverpool players to turn up v man utd in anfield last december.
will always be a Liverpool legend.
Hyypia has been some servant to Liverpool and has still alot to offer.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 09, 2008, 10:09:19 AM
Hyypia has been some servant to Liverpool and has still alot to offer.
High praise indeed
God, I know Liverpool fans have a reputation for whining but this is ridoculous from Arsenal fans.
Yes, they should have had a penalty last week but the ref didn't cause Bendtner not to move out of the way and wanted the glory for himself and the ref last night did not stop Adebayor have the miss of the season!!
Also the ref is not to blame for not bringing in a few experienced players to help and cover for the season meaning that Gilberto had to play and was out of his depth.
Babel was going at speed into the box, any touch at all and you are risking a penalty, that's the way it is.
Arsenal had chances in both legs, didn't take them and got punished, that's football and I think the Arsenal manager and fans need to show the class on the field now off the field and lose with grace.
Or should I bring up that the penalty not given last week was over shadowed by Wenger seeing the incident!!
Oh Sami is a legend and Torres too.
Torres goes missing again in a big game :-\ Sendoras the victim this time :)
who cares how the aggregate win came about - we are through. end of. Next...
something again very noticeable watching last nights game (and I was reminded of it from the posts about wenger on the brady v dunphy thread). How the hell does rafa stay so calm when Liverpool score??? I dont know any other manager who reacts like rafa does. He just puts the head down and scribbles some notes!!!
A mate of mine made the same point during the Inter match. Kuyt scores the crucial first goal, everyone in the stadium goes ballistic except for rafa who writes a few notes. My mate reckoned he was writing something like: "Note: At next training, tell Dirk to hit the ball into the ground more often!" :D
I dont think i have ever seen him celebrating during a game, i suppose if you are a Martin O Neill type character jumping about like a halfwit it is hard to remain and focused as you cant really watch the match as a fan.
Quote from: stevo-08 on April 09, 2008, 01:43:03 PM
something again very noticeable watching last nights game (and I was reminded of it from the posts about wenger on the brady v dunphy thread). How the hell does rafa stay so calm when Liverpool score??? I dont know any other manager who reacts like rafa does. He just puts the head down and scribbles some notes!!!
A mate of mine made the same point during the Inter match. Kuyt scores the crucial first goal, everyone in the stadium goes ballistic except for rafa who writes a few notes. My mate reckoned he was writing something like: "Note: At next training, tell Dirk to hit the ball into the ground more often!" :D
A mate of mine always says when he sees Rafa scribbling in his notebook "there he is getting the pizza order ready again. One ham and pineapple. One tomato and mozzarella. No anchovies". Never fails to crack me up. ;D
did anyone hear the "gift grub "rafa this morning fecking brilliant
I thought the funniest thing was when Clive Tylsdsley, who i loathe, said "and neither George Gillette or Tom Hicks are present at Anfield tonight", camera shoots straight to Gillette sitting beside Rick Parry...........
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 09, 2008, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on April 09, 2008, 01:43:03 PM
something again very noticeable watching last nights game (and I was reminded of it from the posts about wenger on the brady v dunphy thread). How the hell does rafa stay so calm when Liverpool score??? I dont know any other manager who reacts like rafa does. He just puts the head down and scribbles some notes!!!
A mate of mine made the same point during the Inter match. Kuyt scores the crucial first goal, everyone in the stadium goes ballistic except for rafa who writes a few notes. My mate reckoned he was writing something like: "Note: At next training, tell Dirk to hit the ball into the ground more often!" :D
A mate of mine always says when he sees Rafa scribbling in his notebook "there he is getting the pizza order ready again. One ham and pineapple. One tomato and mozzarella. No anchovies". Never fails to crack me up. ;D
:D :D :D :D thats brilliant GBB
Quote from: Minder on April 09, 2008, 02:05:02 PM
I thought the funniest thing was when Clive Tylsdsley, who i loathe, said "and neither George Gillette or Tom Hicks are present at Anfield tonight", camera shoots straight to Gillette sitting beside Rick Parry...........
Aye flustered himself badly then, going on about snow on the runway last week :D
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3407555,00.html
Can we please get this arsehole out?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 10, 2008, 04:10:37 PM
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3407555,00.html
Can we please get this arsehole out?
Which one, Parry or Hicks? ;)
Both,
one's an idiot (albeit a rich idiot) the other sold the club to an idiot
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/516204-dic-pulls-out-of-liverpool-deal-while-owners-feud?ln=en (http://www.arabianbusiness.com/516204-dic-pulls-out-of-liverpool-deal-while-owners-feud?ln=en)
From the Beeb just now, more trouble ahead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7341190.stm
Quote from: Doogie Browser on April 10, 2008, 04:39:28 PM
From the Beeb just now, more trouble ahead.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7341190.stm
Read that earlier, unreal. I wish these two would just go forth and multiply, at least then DIC, or maybe even ShareLiverpoolFC, could step in, and let the staff run the club as it should be, not as some plaything of billionaires. These two are everything I thought the Glasers might be, but have proved to be the opposite of, at Utd.
I wouldnt set the glaziers up as an example of how to run a club just yet. The first couple of years were dodgy and relied on selling players. It is only since the new TV deal was signed the the checkbook has really come out at OT.
In fairness i dont think Parry is the most dynamic of figures and perhaps Hicks thinks he is not fit for the job, regardless of what people think this isnt the move of a man who is getting ready to sell. One point that was mentioned yesterday was Hicks is unhappy with the merchandising aspect and that the shop was never properly stocked, i will say that i have looked on the official online shop for things and so many items are not available or sold out.
QuoteI wouldnt set the glaziers up as an example of how to run a club just yet. The first couple of years were dodgy and relied on selling players. It is only since the new TV deal was signed the the checkbook has really come out at OT.
Not to mention the scandalous increases in ticket prices and the highly controversial mandatory cup ticket purchase scheme for season ticket holders. For the first time in many years United season tickets were on general sale I believe before last season (i.e. no waiting list) as the ordinary fan is increasingly being forced out of OT by price increases. The Glazers are not good. Like Hicks/Gilett they are taking huge sums out of the club to pay interest on their loans. This money should be re-invested in players, facilities and keeping ticket prices down. The Barcelona model is probably the correct way to run a sports club. These rich businessmen didn't get rich by works of charity.
I definitely wasn't canonising the Glasers, but Bill and Ben the flowerpot men seem to think they are back in the states, where you can fire and hire as you please - basically they are clueless.
Totally unrelated, I saw this on BBC this morning:
Quote
Fixer 'kept gangster off Gerrard'
Steven Gerrard respected 'fixer' Kinsella, his father said
Steven Gerrard's father has said he turned to an underworld "fixer" to stop a gangster from terrorising his son and threatening to shoot him in the legs.
The information was in a letter Mr Gerrard wrote to a court where the fixer, John Kinsella, denies being part of a gang involved in a robbery.
Paul Gerrard said the Liverpool captain's car had been smashed up and he was chased home from training.
He said it was after he asked Kinsella for help that the trouble stopped.
Paul Gerrard said that Liverpool Football Club had provided extra security, and he had also contacted police but claims it was only after he contacted Kinsella that the threats ended.
Mr Gerrard's letter read: "I would like to say that in 2001 my son Steven was being terrorised by a notorious Liverpool gangster known as The Psycho, who was threatening to maim my son by shooting him in the legs.
"Also, he was trying to extort a large amount of money from Steven. We immediately contacted the police and asked for protection."
"This went on for a long time, during which Steven's car was smashed up and the gangster chased him while he was driving home from training.
"We were introduced by a friend to John Kinsella. John then reassured me and my family he would resolve our nightmare.
"We have never had any more problems from the Liverpool underworld. Steven and I have total respect for John."
Kinsella is on trial with two other men accused of stealing £41,000 of goods from a lorry depot in Grantham, Lincolnshire, on 19 March 2006.
Their alleged haul included £8,000 of Easter eggs and another £33,000 of crisps and detergents.
But the jury was told on Thursday that Kinsella had been "hoodwinked" in to taking part in the robbery.
Gordon Aspden, representing Kinsella, said: "He (Kinsella) said he was hoodwinked and there's a lot of evidence to back up his case that in advance of this robbery he did not know what was going to go off."
Kinsella, of Liverpool, denies robbery and a charge of dangerous driving. Two other men - James Muldoon, 28, and 49-year-old Stephen McMullen, both of Liverpool - deny robbery.
A fourth man, Thomas Hodgson, 29, of Liverpool, has admitted one charge of robbery.
The trial continues.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7341485.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7341485.stm)
Murky
Quote from: Minder on April 11, 2008, 09:57:53 AM
In fairness i dont think Parry is the most dynamic of figures and perhaps Hicks thinks he is not fit for the job, regardless of what people think this isnt the move of a man who is getting ready to sell. One point that was mentioned yesterday was Hicks is unhappy with the merchandising aspect and that the shop was never properly stocked, i will say that i have looked on the official online shop for things and so many items are not available or sold out.
That much is definitely true. We fell so far behind Man U as regards to self-promotion and merchandising in the 1990's that we are still playing catch-up. An example of which being the day after the CL win against Milan the club shop was closed because all the staff were still in Istanbul. Now it was a nice touch to bring them to the game but to have left nobody back in Liverpool to run the shop when people were ready to clean the place out was amateur. Parry has not done a good job in this regard but as he is an enemy of Hicks the fans are generally behind him.
Good result today for Liverpool with Everton being held away at Brum. I'd say Rafa will definitely rest a couple of bucks tomorrow now.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2008, 05:51:13 PM
Good result today for Liverpool with Everton being held away at Brum. I'd say Rafa will definitely rest a couple of bucks tomorrow now.
By 'bucks', I presume you mean 'buck'. I'd say the chances of Torres starting would be slim.
What is the ticket situation for the blackburn game ?.I know some one who is looking for 2 for tomorrows game .What is the best place in Liverpool to get tickets for a game ?
don't really think rafa has a need to rest too many tomorrow. i think with a week until the next game he will field a strong side looking to put 5 points between ourselves and everton. then rest a half dozen against fulham next week ahead of chelsea game. i think dropped points tomorrow could give everton a glimmer of hope again but a win and that will most likely put their ideas of catching lpool to bed. so i think rafa will go for strong team.
Possibly:
reina finnan carragher skrtel aurelio benayoun gerrard alonso babbel crouch torres
Quote from: johnpower on April 12, 2008, 06:01:12 PM
What is the ticket situation for the blackburn game ?.I know some one who is looking for 2 for tomorrows game .What is the best place in Liverpool to get tickets for a game ?
Sad to say it, but if you don't know anyone then you are stuck with going to touts. If you have nerves of steel, wait until five minutes before kick off and offer face value - they'll be desperate to make any money at that stage (and they've probably paid below face value anyway). Always worked for me when I was living in Liverpool - well, on the two occasions I did it - but that was because I knew I could go to the comforts of home rather than slumming it in an empty Albert while the match took place a hundred yards away
Quote from: johnpower on April 12, 2008, 06:01:12 PM
What is the ticket situation for the blackburn game ?.I know some one who is looking for 2 for tomorrows game .What is the best place in Liverpool to get tickets for a game ?
A few us went to the united game in december. 2 lads had no tickets. They went up to the ticket desk, at back of kop I think. The guy was able to print out a list of all the empty seats where people hadnt turned up. He had to wait 15-20mins into game but they re-issued a couple of new tickets for the guys and they got in. And better again, the tickets were for the kop end. And because the tickets had already been paid for, I dont think they had to hand over any money.
Maybe they were just lucky, but worth a shot if you're stuck..
Quote from: deiseach on April 12, 2008, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: johnpower on April 12, 2008, 06:01:12 PM
What is the ticket situation for the blackburn game ?.I know some one who is looking for 2 for tomorrows game .What is the best place in Liverpool to get tickets for a game ?
Sad to say it, but if you don't know anyone then you are stuck with going to touts. If you have nerves of steel, wait until five minutes before kick off and offer face value - they'll be desperate to make any money at that stage (and they've probably paid below face value anyway). Always worked for me when I was living in Liverpool - well, on the two occasions I did it - but that was because I knew I could go to the comforts of home rather than slumming it in an empty Albert while the match took place a hundred yards away
Thanks much appreciated
Team for today:
Reina
Arbeloa
Carra
Skertal
Aurelio
Lucas
Alonso
Gerrard
Kuyt
Babel
Torres
Liverpool 1-0 Blackburn
Blackburn give the ball away as they try to play out of defence and are fully punished. Steven Gerrard plays a one two with Lucas before nutmegging Chris Samba and driving into the box, deceiving Brad Friedel with his low finish.
FULL-TIME Liverpool 3-1 Blackburn
Looks like Evertons slim hopes of 4th have diminished! With Everton Playing Chelski on Thursday and Liverpool playing Fulham, you could say it may be over next week! If Everton should get beat, there is a chance Benitez would rest alot of players for craven cottage.
Dejavu!
Could have serious consequences for relegation again.
I thought Jamie Redknapp was a gutless bastard today on Sky Sports coverage, Gerrard blatantly took a dive and tried to con the ref into giving a penalty (he also did it in the second half), he left his leg in and instigated contact with Friedel. Fair fucks to Alan Smith on commentary he called it, but didnt call it a "dive", Ray Wilkins said at HT it was never a penalty but little Jamie said it was. He is too friendly with certain players (Lampard, Terry, Gerrard to name a few) and finds it impossible to give an opinion free from bias, so he shouldnt be there. It sickens my balls that certain big English players like Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard are free from criticism when they take a dive, they are described as "clever" but if Ronaldo, Drogba do it they are hauled over the coals.
Didn't see the whole game as I was concentrating on the Donegal match. I thought Torres should've had a penalty in the second half, but the one I saw from Gerrard looked like he was playing for it when he turned inside the defender. Excellent goal and assist from Gerrard though.
Skrtel was lucky enough to get away with a yellow I thought.
Good win overall though, as Blackburn are never easy. Nice finish from Santa Cruz as well.
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2008, 08:51:11 PM
Didn't see the whole game as I was concentrating on the Donegal match. I thought Torres should've had a penalty in the second half, but the one I saw from Gerrard looked like he was playing for it when he turned inside the defender. Excellent goal and assist from Gerrard though.
Skrtel was lucky enough to get away with a yellow I thought.
Good win overall though, as Blackburn are never easy. Nice finish from Santa Cruz as well.
Third in the league and semi finalists in the champions league, not a bad season for the pool. It's a pity they are going out in the semis though. I still cant believe they beat arsenal.
Quote from: stew on April 13, 2008, 11:10:51 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 13, 2008, 08:51:11 PM
Didn't see the whole game as I was concentrating on the Donegal match. I thought Torres should've had a penalty in the second half, but the one I saw from Gerrard looked like he was playing for it when he turned inside the defender. Excellent goal and assist from Gerrard though.
Skrtel was lucky enough to get away with a yellow I thought.
Good win overall though, as Blackburn are never easy. Nice finish from Santa Cruz as well.
Third in the league and semi finalists in the champions league, not a bad season for the pool. It's a pity they are going out in the semis though. I still cant believe they beat arsenal.
Liverpool will not finish 3rd. As for it being a great season, not much of an improvement in the league on last year (for Liverpool).
2008Manchester United 34 25 5 4 72 18 54 80
Chelsea 33 22 8 3 58 23 35 74
Arsenal 34 20 11 3 64 29 35 71
Liverpool 34 18 12 4 60 26 34 66
2007Manchester United 38 28 5 5 83 27 +56 89
Chelsea 38 24 11 3 64 24 +40 83
Liverpool 38 20 8 10 57 27 +30 68
Arsenal 38 19 11 8 63 35 +28 68
I do not know how you can not believe Liverpool beat Arsenal. The Gunners form has been terrible, 2 wins from 13, Liverpool over the same period have 10 wins from 13.
Just saw the Gerrard dive over Friedel. Absolute disgrace, especially for someone who pontificated about the issue in his autobiography.
The sooner that they start to punish offenders after the games the better.
But I suppose Gerrard suffered in the end, as Samba clearly pushed him in the back later on in the game and the ref gave nothing.
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2008, 12:17:55 AM
Should Skertal have walked??
Haven't had a chance to get a proper look at it since (I was only half-watching it), but he looked like he was last man to me.
Quote from: hardstation on April 14, 2008, 12:30:46 AM
Yeah, he was definitely the last man but it happened a fair distance from the goal which is probably why the ref gave him a yellow. However, when I saw it first, I thought it was a definite red. The other defenders wouldn't have caught him.
I suppose that is how the ref interpreted it i.e. the other defenders would have time to close in on him.
Looked a red to me though.
only saw brief highlights but agree with alot of posters here - gerrard's dive was a disgrace. we shouldnt be too surprised though cos it's not the first time he's done this. far too much of it going on and as minder said, some of the top English players seem immune to criticism at times. i suppose at least he admitted that the ref got that decision right.
also agree that skrtel was lucky to stay on the pitch. another good win which means 4th spot is nearly in the bag. Torres's 30th of the season. Fowler's highest total in a season was 36. Says it all really.
Rafa seems totally pi**ed off with the off field stuff between hicks & parry. looking for a meeting with the board asap.
I agree with the consensus here on Gerrard yesterday. Twice he dived, and the one where he dliberately trailed his leg over Friedel was brutal, and he should be embarrassed when he sees it on TV. It was a poor man's version of Pires v Portsmouth a few years ago. We condemn it when players from other teams do it, so I'm glad we seem to be consistent on this.
As for the rest of the game, poor first half, much better in the second, and the Gerrard/Torres combination motors on. Gerrard took his goal well, nice little wall pass with Lucas, and Torres' header was lovely. I suppose when even Voronout scores you know you're doing alright. Fair play to Riise for passing up a chance for his first of the season.
Skrtel could have walked but it was far out from goal, and not through the centre, with other defenders having the opportunity to get back. Also helped that Roberts made meal of it.
Gerrard deserves to be pulled for his dive. Probably cost Liverpool a good free, or possibly a penalty later, boy who cried wolf and all that.
Game could have been a lot different if Roberts hadn't been pulled for offside, then again perhaps Reina would have saved. I think they need to go back to the old offside rule, as seen with one of the Villa goals the other day, it's becoming completely arbitary at this stage.
I think the reason Skrtel wasn't sent off was because Reina had at least a 50-50 chance of getting the ball before Roberts. He started from level with the penalty spot, and if you see from one of the angles, by the time Roberts hit the ground, Reina was booting the ball away. I know he'd have been in full flight if he wasn't fouled, and Skrtel was lucky, but I don't think it was a clear run on goal as such. Reina was an auxilliary sweeper because of the way he was positioned. Other refs would have given him red though, because Carra nor Arbeloa were going to catch Roberts.
Quote from: Minder on April 13, 2008, 08:19:18 PM
I thought Jamie Redknapp was a gutless bastard today on Sky Sports coverage, Gerrard blatantly took a dive and tried to con the ref into giving a penalty (he also did it in the second half), he left his leg in and instigated contact with Friedel. Fair fucks to Alan Smith on commentary he called it, but didnt call it a "dive", Ray Wilkins said at HT it was never a penalty but little Jamie said it was. He is too friendly with certain players (Lampard, Terry, Gerrard to name a few) and finds it impossible to give an opinion free from bias, so he shouldnt be there. It sickens my balls that certain big English players like Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard are free from criticism when they take a dive, they are described as "clever" but if Ronaldo, Drogba do it they are hauled over the coals.
No real suprise as Redknapp never had any balls and is too far up the mentioned player's ass to say anything else. You are right about English players, can you imagine the outcry if Ronaldo had made that sort of dive yesterday :-\
From memory, Redknapp his misses and Tim sherwood launched a high end magazine only available on subscription for sports stars. He will never criticise the likes of Gerard who he wants seen carring his mag.
He is just a plonker anyway, expecting sense from that guy is like expecting poetry from a lemon - actually there's a better chance with the lemon. "Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic"
He may be a plonker alright and loads of them are but if he cant give an unbiased opinion free from any hidden agenda he shouldnt be there.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on April 14, 2008, 01:28:54 PM
From memory, Redknapp his misses and Tim sherwood launched a high end magazine only available on subscription for sports stars. He will never criticise the likes of Gerard who he wants seen carring his mag.
http://www.iconmagazine.co.uk/home.html (http://www.iconmagazine.co.uk/home.html)
Quote from: Minder on April 14, 2008, 01:40:14 PM
He may be a plonker alright and loads of them are but if he cant give an unbiased opinion free from any hidden agenda he shouldnt be there.
They never do on Skysports though, not of the major English stars at least. I mean I think it's part of the Skysports disease, not to criticise their product or the stars in it, unless somebody else has lead the charge. I mean when was the last time you saw them cut back to studio, and Andy Gray say "Well that was a steaming pile of shite wasn't it?". Giles et al might not ever use those exact words but they are never slow to tell you the standard of a game is poor. It's not just Sky either, watched MOTD2 on BBC last night, pretty much the same - none of them would come out and say it was a dive, never mind condemn him, apparently "it's an automatic reaction now, to go down". Cringeworthy.
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Rafael Benitez today sent a message of condolence to the friends and family of the Liverpool fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough nineteen years ago today.
A memorial service will take place at Anfield this afternoon when supporters can remember each of the 96 who lost their lives on April 15, 1989.
Benitez, his staff and the first team playing squad will all attend the service which will include readings from reserve team boss Gary Ablett and former midfielder Brian Hall.
All supporters are welcome to attend and are advised to be in their seats by 2pm.
"This is obviously an important day of the year for everybody connected with our club," said Benitez.
"We must take time to remember those who lost their lives at Hillsborough and to be with their families and friends today. We must give them our support and show that we are thinking of them.
"It's important we pay our respects and that is why we will all be at the memorial service later today
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
not really, no. i just think its a bit ridiculous.
but bring on the backlash..... Zzzzzzzz
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
A small memorial service, is going off on one? Ridiculous comment
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
I wouldn't say it's a big hulla baloo. As far as I'm aware they just had a minute's silence the last day vs Blackburn and a memorial service today. Hardly making a big song and dance over it.
any optimistatic fans lads, flights going to liverpool 4 the tuesday before the champions league final and coming home the thursday 9.98 with ryanair(belfast city). me and a few mates booking on the night.if they dont get through, get a good rip out of it anyway.be great atmosphere though if did make it!!
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
It's a Liverpool supporters thread, and if the supporters want to mention it what harm?
For me personally it's a day I won't forget, and maybe that is one of the differences between it and Munich - it happened live in our sitting rooms for most of us, and to some in person, and is in the living memory of a lot of the current supporters. I have similar feelings about Heysel. In years to come when the memory fades maybe it won't be so prominent, who can tell? That in no way belittles Munich, where the flower of a generation was lost.
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
Hulla balloo? A bit much? Can people not hold a memorial service, first I've heard of it this year anywhere.
Imagine people having the cheek to remember their dead.
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:58:53 PM
not really, no. i just think its a bit ridiculous.
but bring on the backlash..... Zzzzzzzz
Its a bit ridiculous that families want to collectively, and with the club, remember 96 kids and young men who died just because they went to a match?
Who are you to tell them what is an appropriate way of remembering these people?
Should Liverpool FC tell them all to get a grip and to stop bothering them?
I will never forget that day as I was meant to be at the game.
I was living near Liverpool at the time, and I was promised a ticket from a friend only to be let down on the Saturday morning.
Feeling rotten, I was soon woken up to the drama unfolding on the T.V.
It was a sad sad day, and fortunatly my friends made it back o.k, however they were in that stand and were very lucky to survive.
So every year when the anniversay arrives, I can recall a very sad day for 96 supporters and their families, and a lucky day for myself.
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
Stupid, provocitive, imature post >:( >:(
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3434293,00.html
Article on Sky sports interview with hickey.
He had to google Jurgen Klinsmann, doesn't mention it here but he said this in his interview, just sums up his knowledge of football.
Absolutely terrible comment Jimmy Magee.Do you honestly think United fans don't pay their respects every year on the Munich annivesary, as do football fans from all over the World.
Really one of the stupdest comments I have ever heard on this board.
You obviously haven't been following the grants thread...
EDIT - jesus, that icon magazine looks like some pile of self indulgent shite
Quote from: corn02 on April 17, 2008, 10:11:36 AM
Absolutely terrible comment Jimmy Magee.Do you honestly think United fans don't pay their respects every year on the Munich annivesary, as do football fans from all over the World.
Really one of the stupdest comments I have ever heard on this board.
each to their own, if you feel the need to bring it up every single year go ahead.
edit: there is nothing terrible about the comment, it neither belittled the tragedy nor mocked it.
Just booked me flight and got my ticket for tuesday's semi...can't wait!!
It belittles it for me?
Where you get the ticket GAWA?
well then, i'm very very sorry. :-\
*done in best father jack voice*
Lovely and respectful there. Hope if you attend family anniversary masses no one tells you to stop harping on about it every year.
no, but then again i dont advertise the fact that its their anniversary.
Fcuk sake jimmy, be an asshole surely, but at least be an asshole in private
A stop was put to all this shit a while back
i repeat, i have said nothing to belittle the tragedy or anyone that lost their lives. its a discussion board, points are made, and discussed.
I'd advise you to stop digging here. You are making a fool out of yourself.
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
This is what you said.
Do you think it is a 'bit much' playing it out every year if you lost relatives or friends?
By remembering the anniversary you are 'going off on one'?
Off course you are not saying anything offensive :-\
Quote from: corn02 on April 17, 2008, 02:17:13 PM
Where you get the ticket GAWA?
My brother's mate got 4 tickets, not sure how but couldn't give a hoot!
Quote from: full back on April 17, 2008, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: ThatManJimmyMagee on April 15, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
while it was an awful tragedy, is there any reason to go off on one every single year? i mean, United fans dont make a big hulla balloo over Munich every year. 10, 20, 25 years yes, but playing it out every year is a bit much.
This is what you said.
Do you think it is a 'bit much' playing it out every year if you lost relatives or friends?
By remembering the anniversary you are 'going off on one'?
Off course you are not saying anything offensive :-\
yes, i do. it would be much more dignified to have a quiet personal rememberence like most people do. but god forbid anyone disagree with the mighty reds supposrters!
I dont support the scousers jimmy, just think you are out of order
So what exactly is not dignified by Liverpool remberance cermonies
leave it lads - he's not worth it
Quote from: glens73 on April 17, 2008, 09:08:08 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3434293,00.html
Article on Sky sports interview with hickey.
He had to google Jurgen Klinsmann, doesn't mention it here but he said this in his interview, just sums up his knowledge of football.
Whatever about his knowledge of soccer, he's spot on about Rick Parry.
The only thing Hicks has done wrong in my opinion is let slip that he met Klinsmann. Its delusional to think the arabs would be any better than the yanks IMO
Quote from: Hound on April 17, 2008, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: glens73 on April 17, 2008, 09:08:08 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3434293,00.html
Article on Sky sports interview with hickey.
He had to google Jurgen Klinsmann, doesn't mention it here but he said this in his interview, just sums up his knowledge of football.
Whatever about his knowledge of soccer, he's spot on about Rick Parry.
The only thing Hicks has done wrong in my opinion is let slip that he met Klinsmann. Its delusional to think the arabs would be any better than the yanks IMO
I cant disagree with alot of what Hicks says there. As I said before I'd be happy enough for him to stay as long as he can support Rafa and learn to keep his mouth shut. Whats gone on at LFC this season has been nothing short of a disgrace - a few lessons in Communication Skills on all sides wouldnt go a miss.
The situation needs to be sorted asap so Rafa (as long as he's still at the helm) can prepare for next season. How the ownership saga comes to a conclusion, I dont know. Also I'd be interested to hear more details on how hicks plans to rid the club of debt. Now that would be impressive.
Jimmy Magee is banned for repeated personal abuse. I suspect he was only here on a wind up anyway.
Lads just throwing it out there wondering if anyone has any spares for tuesday night... been scouring the web for weeks and there is nothing out there cheaper than 200 quid... just desperate money for a ticket so may as well try everything before i take the plunge!!
3rd place confirmed rovers 1 up at h/time things going well!
think blackburn getting a point even today could do us a favour, as chelsea will know that if they beat utd next weekend their fate is in their own hands. if utd win this game bar the chelsea game u cant see them dropping any points. Chelsea will have to go all out for the win next sunday you would imagine if blackburn get a result 2night. this means grant will have to play his strongest team both against utd on sunday and us next wed!!
good win 2day, didnt fancy us to win today to be honest, thought fulham would have had momentum after last week and new alot of players would be rested. thought we would be good for the draw!
Focus now on tuesdays big game!Any thoughts??
Team i would expect to see after 2days line up would be:
pepe
arbeloa carra skrtel aurelio
kuyt alonso masch babel
Stevy
Torres
Would be happy enough with that. Think that skrtel did well up at the bridge and that will strengthen his claim 4 a start. Thought Sami was great against arsenal i feel that a few times he has been exposed against drogba before and he doesnt like pace as walcott showed so anelka could be a problem also.
Think the team also better balanced with arbeloa/finnan at rb instead of cara who i think is lost over halfway. Prefer him in the centre esp 4 european games as i think he rises to the electric atmosphere at anfield on these nights! 1-0 to the pool!! ;)
Would imagine that Carragher will be right back, unless Sami doesnt recover from the neck/head injury.
Voronin mixed the sublime with the ridiculous today, hope he gets sold or drafted into the Ukraine military during the summer, anything to keep him from playing next season.
Bit disappointing not to see the likes of Insua Nemeth Plessis etc in the squad today, but meh, plenty of time for them next year.
yep, reckon carragher will be rb again. I dont like him there but thats what rafa did for both legs against arsenal so doubt there'll be any changes. Gerrard is a doubt I see but I'd expect him to play. The questions for rafa are: 1 - Does he start Crouch in a 4-4-2, another goal yesterday for the big guy and he would definitely cause some trouble for the chelsea attack. 2 - Alonso's form is worrying - I only saw highlights of yesterdays game but when Alonso came on, he seemed to give the ball away 2-3 times in danger areas. Not good. 3 - Does he start babel or use him as a sub like 2nd leg v arsenal. For the 1st leg I'd expect a fairly attack orientated side, including Babel.
Anyway, rafa has a few options so it'll be interesting to see how he sets his side up.
Alonso did look a bit off the pace when he came on yesterday, getting caught in possession for the Danny Murphy chance. I thought Voronin, for someone who is mercilessly ridiculed by most supporters, had a good game. Its a shame that he spent so much of the season injured, as he might have made a better impression, but I'd say he'll be off in the summer. The same for Pennant I suppose, although they might be kept if they're willing to continue purely as back-up players.
I wonder how serious the Gerrard injury is. From what I recall, Rafa doesn't tend to release bogus injury information in this kind of manner.
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
I wonder how serious the Gerrard injury is. From what I recall, Rafa doesn't tend to release bogus injury information in this kind of manner.
I was thinking that too.
I see Chelsea showed their class again by declaring interest in Stevie G.
Apparently the Chelsea media machine were promising all sorts of retribution for the papers daring to question team spririt in the Chelsea camp. Then they manage to get a couple of back pages with the interest in Gerrard dross.
Quote from: Chrisowc on April 20, 2008, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
I wonder how serious the Gerrard injury is. From what I recall, Rafa doesn't tend to release bogus injury information in this kind of manner.
I see Chelsea showed their class again by declaring interest in Stevie G.
Apparently the Chelsea media machine were promising all sorts of retribution for the papers daring to question team spririt in the Chelsea camp. Then they manage to get a couple of back pages with the interest in Gerrard dross.
Did someone from Chelsea declare an interest in Stevie G? Never seen that to be honest...
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 20, 2008, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on April 20, 2008, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
I wonder how serious the Gerrard injury is. From what I recall, Rafa doesn't tend to release bogus injury information in this kind of manner.
I see Chelsea showed their class again by declaring interest in Stevie G.
Apparently the Chelsea media machine were promising all sorts of retribution for the papers daring to question team spririt in the Chelsea camp. Then they manage to get a couple of back pages with the interest in Gerrard dross.
Did someone from Chelsea declare an interest in Stevie G? Never seen that to be honest...
Saw it in a couple of places yesterday. Of course it could just have been some otherwise innocent complementary comments on Grant's part being spun into a story where none exists.
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2008, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 20, 2008, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on April 20, 2008, 06:43:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
I wonder how serious the Gerrard injury is. From what I recall, Rafa doesn't tend to release bogus injury information in this kind of manner.
I see Chelsea showed their class again by declaring interest in Stevie G.
Apparently the Chelsea media machine were promising all sorts of retribution for the papers daring to question team spririt in the Chelsea camp. Then they manage to get a couple of back pages with the interest in Gerrard dross.
Did someone from Chelsea declare an interest in Stevie G? Never seen that to be honest...
Saw it in a couple of places yesterday. Of course it could just have been some otherwise innocent complementary comments on Grant's part being spun into a story where none exists.
Now I was busy so diding see much TV, or read the papers but I see Grant declaring that he thought Steive G was a great player. Never seen him declare an interest as ChrisOWC states.
Any time Crouch has come up against Terry, he's done poorly. But given that Terry has been under par these last couple of weeks, and Babel is far more effective off the bench, I think I'd go with Crouch for Tuesday.
I presume he'll go for Carra at right back. I'd prefer either Arbeloa or Finnan. Though I really don't know which two I'd then pick at centre back. Hyypia and Skrtel both seem to play better when they are alongside each other, rather than beside Carragher.
QuoteBit disappointing not to see the likes of Insua Nemeth Plessis etc in the squad today, but meh, plenty of time for them next year
It would be a shame if Nemeth didnt get one start this year after all the goals he's scored for the reserves (BTW, I don't think he is the real deal, but he does deserve a run). While Plessis did well in his one premiership outing, Jay Spearing has been the far more impressive midfielder any time I've seen the reserves play. I'd add the centre back Huth as another who might deserve a game before the end of the season, once CL qualification is secured.
Is Gerard fit for the game tomorrow? Talk of a neck injury keeping him out?
I'd say gerrard will be fit. According to rafa, gerrard wanted to play on saturday but rafa didnt want to risk it. So it sounds like he's improving. would be very surprised if he didnt play.
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 11:32:53 AM
Any time Crouch has come up against Terry, he's done poorly. But given that Terry has been under par these last couple of weeks, and Babel is far more effective off the bench, I think I'd go with Crouch for Tuesday.
Hound if you start crouch, would you put gerrard on the left wing? I dont think that works - he was completely anonymous in that position against arsenal. Thats the problem with starting crouch, it kinda messes up the midfield/attacking formation. But i do agree that Babel seems far more effective coming off the bench.
i would think babel would start. He wasnt in the 16 at the weekend and I think rafa will go for a familiar 4231 with gerrard behind torres. with essien suspended ferreira will be at right back. babel could have a lot of joy tomorrow night.
Reina carragher skrtel hyypia aurelio alonso mascherano kuyt gerrard babel torres.
subs Itandje arbeloa pennant lucas crouch benayoun voronin
Hello lads, don't normally/ever come on this thread ( ;) ) but I have a question, which I thought I'd put to your good selves first, before I start a thread.
Friend of mine from Belfast, is looking tickets to a Liverpool match for her and her boyfriend, he's a Red from Dublin. Any ideas on how or where to go about getting tickets?
Either for this season or next.
Thanks
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on April 22, 2008, 11:01:12 AM
Hello lads, don't normally/ever come on this thread ( ;) ) but I have a question, which I thought I'd put to your good selves first, before I start a thread.
Friend of mine from Belfast, is looking tickets to a Liverpool match for her and her boyfriend, he's a Red from Dublin. Any ideas on how or where to go about getting tickets?
Either for this season or next.
Thanks
Very hard for this season, only one home game left V man City. Only chance would be package.
For next season, must straightforward way is to book a weekend package. Will be sure of ticket but puts up cost as you are paying for flights, hotel and ticket at inflated rates. Also hotel may be outside city (Wigan/Widnes) with some of them.
Directly from the club can be a lottery, should apply for a fancard and can then apply online (never been succesful, as limited tickets released this way) or use phonelines on day of general release (expect to constantly redial all morning and success rate again low unless very lucky).
We get ours through local supporters club, so if they know anyone in one they should ask or better join. We have book ours 8 weeks in advance and for 3 matches a year we will get a block of tickets. Our club has got strick on members getting tickets for third parties. It was getting out of hand.
Good luck.
Little talk of the match today...sign of nerves.
For some reason I expect Liverpool to get through over the two legs which I didn't expect in either of the last two CL semi's with Chelsea. And that doesn;t sit well with me.
Tight affair, would take anything with a Nil to Chelsea. Even a Nil nil wouldn;t be too bad, as one at their place would be realistic to take us through i.e 1-1, 0-1.
I backed Liverpool to win and Torres to score at 3-1 and am happy with that. Think he'll start Crouch tonight and so for the win.
Yeah was thinking it was pretty quiet aswell. i see Norf is keeping his head down as well. Nobody wanting to leave themselves open to a touch tomorrow!! lol
Quote from: supersarsfields on April 22, 2008, 03:20:03 PM
Yeah was thinking it was pretty quiet aswell. i see Norf is keeping his head down as well. Nobody wanting to leave themselves open to a touch tomorrow!! lol
Ah fcuk it, we are gonna walk right through them, the tie should be finished tonight and we can rest a few next week.........
Tonight's performance by Torres is to change the game of football.
His shell will be fully cast aside and people will talk of this display for generations to come.
Torres v Chelski will be afforded the same hallowed tones as Maradona v Eng, Van Basten v Steau, and Withnell v Kerry.
It all came to me in a vision last night - you heard it here first.
Mon the Reds!
The heat has got to you :D :D
Jez, Lads this is Chelsea, second in the Premier League and on the coat-tails of Manure. A team in great form, with a huge panel of talented players. No disrespect to Arsenal, but this is a totally different challenge to the previous round. The away tie first i feel will suit Chelski! Benitez will be happy with 0-0 or 1-0 ie no away goals.
Liverpool: Reina, Aurelio, Carragher, Skrtel, Arbeloa, Kuyt, Babel, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard, Torres. Subs: Itandje, Hyypia, Riise, Benayoun, Crouch, Pennant, Lucas..
Chelsea: Cech, Ferreira, Carvalho, Terry, A Cole, Lampard, Makelele, Ballack, J Cole, Drogba, Malouda. Subs: Hilario, Shevchenko, Obi, Kalou, Alex, Belletti, Anelka.
A boy Kuyt ya fuckin legend ;D here we go again :-*
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Useless ginger ****
Bollocks anyway. I don't think there was much else Riise could do given the pace of the ball (and his lack of a right foot! :P) and the fact that Anelka was right behind him.
I thought Liverpool dropped off too much in the last 20 minutes anyway. In the first part of the second half, it looked like the second goal was there for them if they continued to force Chelsea back, but they started to back off towards the end.
Chelsea obviously favourites now, but Liverpool can still do this.
Terry and Carvalho have the art of putting in a dig while going up for headers down nicely.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Finnan's not playing cos he's brutal
Quote from: J70 on April 22, 2008, 09:45:59 PM
Bollocks anyway. I don't think there was much else Riise could do given the pace of the ball and the fact that Anelka was right behind him.
I thought Liverpool dropped off too much in the last 20 minutes anyway. In the first part of the second half, it looked like the second goal was there for them if they continued to force Chelsea back, but they started to back off towards the end.
Chelsea obviously favourites now, but Liverpool can still do this.
Terry and Carvalho have the art of putting in a dig while going up for headers down nicely.
He has two feet, well thinking about it only one that is any use. He couldnt do that again if he tried. He should have sunk the boot in it. I just think that will be the defining moment of the tie
Can't believe that.
a - The cross was let in too easy. Two against one in the corner.
b - Riise fecking right root. Trust the bloody thing.
Would be hopeful of getting a goal at the bridge but chances will be limited, while Chelsea are bound to get some as well. If Torres had been on form he may have got one. Essien will be a big plus back for Chelsea
Hopefully Chelsea and United kick lumps out of each other on Saturday, while our ladies team will be taking iot easy against Birmingham.
Still can't believe it.
Im as sick as a plane to Lourdes.
I was thinking Liverpool's luck was due to run out, but thats taking the piss.
Referee was brutal, Terry should have seen yellow a long time before he did, Arbeloa should have knocked Kalou into the kop before he could whip in that cross.
We know have to score at the bridge, aint gonna be easy, but it is possible.
Riise has a point to prove now after that goal, and he is likely to start given that injury to Aurelio.
I thought Dirk Kuyt was the best player on view tonight, not to often I have said that, but credit where credits due. He worked his socks off and cause chelsea problems all night.
At least we have a weeks break (with a stroll at st andrews on saturday), with Chelsea playing united on sunday.
Quote from: J70 on April 22, 2008, 09:45:59 PM
Bollocks anyway. I don't think there was much else Riise could do given the pace of the ball (and his lack of a right foot! :P) and the fact that Anelka was right behind him.
He could have swung his right foot at it for a start. It may have gone 20 yards straight up in the air but it would have done the job. Instead he tries to head a ball coming in at knee height the fecking clown. Absolutely shocking.
Can't see then recovering from that as they should probably have won the game 2 or 3 nil. That's a real body blow.
Big task ahead for Liverpool at the Bridge. Looks like they now need t score twice. looks like Liverpools CL luck ran out tonight! As was mentioned Carvalliho and Terry are not afraid to use their body parts, but that's football. Benayoun was terrible when he came on, lost the ball through dodgy hopeful passes with no real pressure on the ball. Riise looked match unfit, but compensated with experience, unfortunate for the goal, these things happen! Cech saved the Chelski day really, class act!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 22, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Finnan's not playing cos he's brutal
Thats a odd thing to say and i couldn't disagree more as even if Finian isn't the player he was he is a far better player than Arbeola. Anyways thats another debate. As for tonight what a fuckin kick in the stones. Could and should have been 2 or 3 up. Torres was off form. Pity as he usually puts away some of the chances he got. I thought Carra was super and made two very important last minute tackles i wouldn't switch him with any other centre back in the world the man's a legend . If we play like that in the 2nd leg we have a chance but i fear our luck could have run out
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 22, 2008, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 22, 2008, 09:45:59 PM
Bollocks anyway. I don't think there was much else Riise could do given the pace of the ball (and his lack of a right foot! :P) and the fact that Anelka was right behind him.
He could have swung his right foot at it for a start. It may have gone 20 yards straight up in the air but it would have done the job. Instead he tries to head a ball coming in at knee height the fecking clown. Absolutely shocking.
Yeah, I was probably being a bit too kind.
Quote from: stiffler on April 22, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
I was thinking Liverpool's luck was due to run out, but thats taking the piss.
The irony of a liverpool supporter lamenting thier lack of luck in the CL...
Now if only Bellamy was still a Liverpool player and had the golf bag in the dressing room.... :P
(http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2008/04/22/riiseowngoalactcarlrecine2.jpg)
WTF was he thinking? He's not even looking at the ball. He seems to be closely examining the Anfield earthworms.
At last! After several games, and 90 odd minutes a wee bit of luck v the Scousers!
However if Chelsea play as poor as that in the second leg Liverpool have as good a chance as any, although I don't think Lpool were that much better. The clear cut chances went the home sides with Petr the Great oustanding.
Thought the ref was shocking, and every aerial tussle was a guess decision on his part. I thought- and I have to say as usual- Liverpool got most of the big decisions their way. Carragher's trip on Drogba? Ballack actually got the ball for the original free kick that Lpool got* for the goal, and Reina had his hands all round JT and the ref gave a free out!
Again Chelsea lacked cohesion. How did Malouda last 90 minutes? Why is Cole always the scapegoat? Drogba...for feck sake you're embarassing at times, and Ballack nor Lampard looked fit.
Best for the Blues...Ferreria, and Cech.
*However Lampard was shockingly at fault twice, as was Makalele for the goal.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 22, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Finnan's not playing cos he's brutal
Thats a odd thing to say and i couldn't disagree more as even if Finian isn't the player he was he is a far better player than Arbeola. Anyways thats another debate. As for tonight what a fuckin kick in the stones. Could and should have been 2 or 3 up. Torres was off form. Pity as he usually puts away some of the chances he got. I thought Carra was super and made two very important last minute tackles i wouldn't switch him with any other centre back in the world the man's a legend . If we play like that in the 2nd leg we have a chance but i fear our luck could have run out
:D :D :D :D
You are either riding Cara,having a laugh or a total spa...which is it LL
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 22, 2008, 11:35:17 PM
Carragher's trip on Drogba? Ballack actually got the ball for the original free kick that Lpool got* for the goal, and Reina had his hands all round JT and the ref gave a free out!
Looked to me like Carragher got a very slight touch on the ball. Not much, granted, but enough to say he got the ball before the man.
The Reina-Terry one was harsh enough I thought. Terry was standing his ground, but whenever the keeper is touched going for the ball in the six-yard area, refs always give the free. Alonso cleared it off the line anyway, so it was hardly costly for Chelsea.
Apart from that one incident (or two if you're correct, I can't remember the Ballack one), I thought Liverpool had just as much to complain about in terms of not getting decisions.
Can anyone tell me how the linesman missed Ashley Cole taking down Kuyt right under his nose?
Bendtner
Quote from: hardstation on April 22, 2008, 11:48:04 PM
Thon Terry - Reina one was kept out by a Chelsea player. The same happened to Fabregas in the quarter final. Was it Hleb who kept that out?
It was? I could've sworn it was cleared by Alonso! :-[
Quote from: hardstation on April 23, 2008, 12:03:26 AM
Nah, if you look again, a Chelsea boy stopped the shot and I reckon it was going wide. After that a Liverpool boy whacked it up the pitch.
You should seriously consider punditry.
Which wounds would those be? Champions league wounds? If so, then yes.
By the way - can you send me over a pair of those oxford brogues?
Can't believe the Liverpool fans are giving out about the ref... I thought he was decent!?
Even Alan Greene thought he was good (Apart from Terry not seeing yellow earlier!)
Liverpool were the better team last night, but they were always going to be at Anfield!!
Stamford Bridge has been a fortress, & I'd be very surprised to see Liverpool going to Moscow now!
Kalou made the difference for Chelsea, can't believe Malouda stayed on for the full game...
what a stinkin way to end the game last night. Liverpool definitely deserved to come away with a win. It will be tough in the next leg now. When was the last time we scored at the bridge? 2004??
Edit: The Terry incident: drogba jumped out of the way, it might have taken a slight deflection, but Alonso stopped it on the line.
Quote from: J70 on April 22, 2008, 11:45:24 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 22, 2008, 11:35:17 PM
Carragher's trip on Drogba? Ballack actually got the ball for the original free kick that Lpool got* for the goal, and Reina had his hands all round JT and the ref gave a free out!
Looked to me like Carragher got a very slight touch on the ball. Not much, granted, but enough to say he got the ball before the man.
The Reina-Terry one was harsh enough I thought. Terry was standing his ground, but whenever the keeper is touched going for the ball in the six-yard area, refs always give the free. Alonso cleared it off the line anyway, so it was hardly costly for Chelsea.
Apart from that one incident (or two if you're correct, I can't remember the Ballack one), I thought Liverpool had just as much to complain about in terms of not getting decisions.
Can anyone tell me how the linesman missed Ashley Cole taking down Kuyt right under his nose?
If you watch the Reina/Terry one again, Terry stands his ground but Reina bear hugs him! I know that it was cleared etc etc. but it teas a penalty in my eyes!
The Cole/Kuyt incident was embarassingly poor!
QuoteTerry stands his ground
The way I saw it, as a neutral, was that Terry was backing into Reina before the ball arrived.
JOHN AAARRRNNNE RIIIIISSSSSE - I WANNA KNOOOOOOW HOW YOU SCORED THAT GOAL!
£25k a week basic and can't kick a ball with your right foot.
I'd have to agre with Billy, I'd say terry was backing in on Reina, not enough for it to be a free out but definitely wouldn't have seen it as a penalty call. I reckon he should have just let it go.
Very dissappointed. Thought we had it in the bag. How there were two left free to cross the ball I don't know. And then Riise!! Crazy stuff. He could have used his right and put it anywere, used his left and just make sure to blaze it to the side line but he takes the hardest option. To Be honest he could have chested the ball down for Reina instead of a diving header right in front of his own keeper!
Thought Skertle and carragher looked secure enough. Kuty worked away as usual but seemed to die a bit at the end and there was a lot of ball coming in from his side including the goal.
Gerrard looked ok. Lovely ball through for Torres which should have been finished. Torres worked hard enough but looked furstrated. Should have had at least one.
Alonso looked like he was coming back to his better days with some great passing.
All in all it's still there. Could have been a great result but it's not the worst. I reckon there'll be goals in the Bridge. Cheski to score first and then liverpool to score two. Job's a gud un!!
I hope Liverpool can pull this off as I would much rather face them in the Final than Chelsea...... If Utd can get through!!
Seanie his basic is 100K stg, he has Champions League Bonuses and other benefits which brought him up to about 140K per week, he was the one whose payslip was posted on the web and the MP's were going mad over how much he was being paid. and he still cant kick with his left
Quotestill cant kick with his left
Right Gerry, right!!!
F off Billy I'm not talking to you until after we kick you out of the Championship with our left and right Boots! (no pun indended)
Madness by Riise at the very end last night but the cross should never have gone in.
Mascherano and Arbeloa should have shut up shop in the corner.
The referee was quite suspect last night and you never kew which way the free was going.
There could have been a penalty for Liverpool for Ballack handball and Cole's push on Kuyt as easy as Reina's challenge on
Terry but probably no penalties was the right option.
Liverpool played well last night, created opportunities and should take that confidence to Chelsea next week, they need to score
but they can create opportunities and hopefully they'll get one or two.
Sets up a fascinating game next week, Liverpool would have sat back if it was 1-0 and played on the break and our nerves would be shot! This way the emphasis is on attacking and getting the goal they need.
If they are good enough, they'll get thorugh, Chelsea are no great shakes!!
Oh and Drogba, what a (insert expletive here)
Don't know how anyone can say the Ref was fair or good. He missed some big decisions and then gave some very strange ones. When he blew, you didn't know what was going to give. From the first minute the free he give on the edge of box to Chelsea, Drogba turned round to complain about the decision, as he had assumed it was given against him ???
Must score at the bridge but don't think it will be a case of all out attack, not Rafa's way. Will be much the same as last night I reckon. Glad to see Babel getting a bit of confidence last night. Hopefully his second half will presuade Grant to play Essien at RB. Think out midfield, was the superior last night and this could be the key next week.
Could be long night.
How could any decent Liverpool fan complain about a ref after the decesions thay have had in the two games against Arsenal...ye know what all the pundits say...the decesions even themselves out over the season
QuoteSeanie his basic is 100K stg, he has Champions League Bonuses and other benefits which brought him up to about 140K per week,
I thought that was a monthly payslip. If not its 52/12 times worse.
I see phillip lahm has turned down a new offer from BM, wonder how much he would cost?
Hes a good player and is able you use either foot for more than standing.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on April 23, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
Seanie his basic is 100K stg, he has Champions League Bonuses and other benefits which brought him up to about 140K per week, he was the one whose payslip was posted on the web and the MP's were going mad over how much he was being paid. and he still cant kick with his left
That was monthly.
Yeah I'd agree. Don't think Liverpool can really complain about the reffing either. They should have been two up at least and that wasn't the fault of the ref.
Kinda glad that Crouch wasn't on as I'd say that ref would have called him all night when jumping for the ball.
Result wise it could have been better. There were some strage refereeing decisions, and I cannot for the life of me understand how it took the ref until the last few minutes to show John terry a yellow. I think if he had earlier on then Torres would have had more space as Terry would not have been up his hole like his wee buddy Cashley likes to :P
I can actually see more positives in the fixture than negatives. Liverpool obviously have to score a goal, so they will have to do a certain amount of pressurising. I actually think Chelsea will feel under pressure to score early to kill off the tie and this will leave space for Liverpool to score on the break. Coupled with the fact that Torres played poorly and Gerard only in bursts, then I think the tie can be won.
Obviously the tie is very much in Chelseas favour but, you never know!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Ymx5httE0&eurl=http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=68295
Drogba incidnet in tunnell last night.
The ref seemed determined to get through the game without producing a yellow until he had to book terry. by the same token, Mascherano should have been carded for his cynical foul on i think malouda to stop a chelsea break
in the interests of balance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwN0TxjnuRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJmdfJfkw3Y
Yeah seen that tackle by Masch alright. At least last nite he did what he should have done against Walcott in the last game.
Quote from: Uladh on April 23, 2008, 11:48:08 AM
The ref seemed determined to get through the game without producing a yellow until he had to book terry. by the same token, Mascherano should have been carded for his cynical foul on i think malouda to stop a chelsea break
in the interests of balance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVb2gbMtN3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwN0TxjnuRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJmdfJfkw3Y
Uladh do you just exist to troll on this thread?
I am the moral conscience for those of you who bin dip in your spare time.
Liverpool fans ocmplaing about a lack of luck in the CL first and then diving! you couldn't make it up
You post more here than you do on the United thread ffs which is sadly typical of many United fans.
Care about Liverpool fortune's more than their own team's. ;D
It gets boring talking about success...
there's more craic in the strife and delusions of the scousers
Quote from: Uladh on April 23, 2008, 12:00:18 PM
I am the moral conscience for those of you who bin dip in your spare time.
Liverpool fans ocmplaing about a lack of luck in the CL first and then diving! you couldn't make it up
I love the way united fans slag Liverpool for being lucky, when they've had to face Roma (twice!), Lyon and the might of Lille in the last two seasons (can't remember how they did in 05/06). Whilst Liverpool have been paired against Barcelona, Inter Milan and Arsenal! Who are the lucky ones?
I know Uladh what would Liverpool know about success.
Quote from: Uladh on April 23, 2008, 12:00:18 PMI am the moral conscience for those of you who bin dip in your spare time.
where do you get them? ::)
Quote from: corn02 on April 23, 2008, 01:39:06 PM
I know Uladh what would Liverpool know about success.
its for the like of you corn, who doesn't rmember it
Quote from: corn02 on April 23, 2008, 11:29:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Ymx5httE0&eurl=http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=68295
Drogba incidnet in tunnell last night.
Whats this all about? Cant access youtube at work.
QuoteF off Billy I'm not talking to you until after we kick you out of the Championship with our left and right Boots! (no pun indended)
You sound nervous Gerry, I hope the wind doesn't upset ye again! ;)
I do happen to remeber a certain night in Istanbul not too long ago.
Just back from the match last night. That goal was like a dagger to the heart. Couldn't and still can't believe we haven't come away with a win, which our performance deserved.
Carra and Skrtel played well as did Masch and Kuyt.
Drogba is an absolute embarrassment to Chelsea FC. I have never seen such a display of play acting in entire match in my life. There should also be a wee mention to those 2 cole wankers who were at it all night as well.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 22, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Finnan's not playing cos he's brutal
Worst comment ever, thought you where a Liverpool supporter. One of the most steady performers you will see, have you not been watching the same Steve Finnan as me for the last 3 or 4 years.
Utter bullshit comment Gabriel Hurl!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on April 23, 2008, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 22, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Finnan's not playing cos he's brutal
Worst comment ever, thought you where a Liverpool supporter. One of the most steady performers you will see, have you not been watching the same Steve Finnan as me for the last 3 or 4 years.
Utter bullshit comment Gabriel Hurl!
Oh sorry - they must show different Liverpool games on the telly over here.
My mistake - I'll not say anything bad about him ever again
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2008, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on April 23, 2008, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 22, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Finnan's not playing cos he's brutal
Worst comment ever, thought you where a Liverpool supporter. One of the most steady performers you will see, have you not been watching the same Steve Finnan as me for the last 3 or 4 years.
Utter bullshit comment Gabriel Hurl!
Oh sorry - they must show different Liverpool games on the telly over here.
My mistake - I'll not say anything bad about him ever again
What makes you think he is that bad? Why is Arbeloa so much better do you think?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on April 23, 2008, 10:01:29 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2008, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on April 23, 2008, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 22, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 09:14:10 PM
Jaysis Arbeola is brutal can't understand how Finian isn't playing. Is he injured?
Finnan's not playing cos he's brutal
Worst comment ever, thought you where a Liverpool supporter. One of the most steady performers you will see, have you not been watching the same Steve Finnan as me for the last 3 or 4 years.
Utter bullshit comment Gabriel Hurl!
Oh sorry - they must show different Liverpool games on the telly over here.
My mistake - I'll not say anything bad about him ever again
What makes you think he is that bad? Why is Arbeloa so much better do you think?
Would like to know your answer to that too Gab i can't understand your thinking behind it. I respect your opinion on soccer as unlike alot here you know what your talking about but i just can't fathom how you could say that about Finnian. Also i don't understand your love of Arbeloa apart from one good game against Barce 18months ago i haven't ever seen him play well for Liverpool
Finnan has been a great servant to Liverpool, although I think he will be only a bit part player for the rest of his time at Anfield.
Arbeloa has been steady this season, although I thought he had a poor game last night. Rafa has been strongly linked with signing a right back in the summer, so maybe he has someone lined up for this position for next season.
Quote from: gawa316 on April 23, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
Just back from the match last night. That goal was like a dagger to the heart. Couldn't and still can't believe we haven't come away with a win, which our performance deserved.
Carra and Skrtel played well as did Masch and Kuyt.
Drogba is an absolute embarrassment to Chelsea FC. I have never seen such a display of play acting in entire match in my life. There should also be a wee mention to those 2 cole wankers who were at it all night as well.
Can't argue about Drogba'a antics, but have you not seen Gerard or Torres recently? Glass houses etc etc.
What did the two Coles do to annoy you?
gerrard is the worst diver in the premiership, look at the last two sheff utd matches if u doubt me. However as he is english like rooney he will never dive unlike torres,ronaldo or drogba.
Worst diver? That is a bit much clearly Drogba and Ronaldo are ten times worse.
Norf you are correct, 99% of Pool fans will say Gerrard does not dive, which is bullshit.
Ronaldos antics tonight were a disgrace!! He spent more time on his knees begging for the free than he did on his feet!!
Quote from: corn02 on April 24, 2008, 12:12:14 AM
Worst diver? That is a bit much clearly Drogba and Ronaldo are ten times worse.
Norf you are correct, 99% of Pool fans will say Gerrard does not dive, which is bullshit.
To be fair a lot of the Scousers on here condemned Gerard last week (Credit to them). My beef was GAWA coming on and going over old ground again.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 24, 2008, 01:24:14 AM
To be fair a lot of the Scousers on here condemned Gerard last week (Credit to them). My beef was GAWA coming on and going over old ground again.
How exactly is it going over old ground when I was commenting on a match that I was at on tuesday?
I have never denied that Torres and Gerrard take a dive, but there are no where near Drogba in this aspect. On at least 4 occassions you would have thought he was seriously injured, just to get up 30 secs later and run on. Joe Cole was at it in the 1st half as well. A throw in down the line springs to mind, where he went down like a extra in Platoon.
As for Cashley he is just one of those hateful wee c***ts
Can't comment much as I didn't see the game at all thanks to a stupid business meeting in Bristol, but I was disappointed when I heard Liverpool were the better team, and the circumstances of the equalizer. However, as has been said, all is most certainly not lost, and it is shit or bust now, so a goal down there is a very achievable aim. Thing is, will one goal be enough? I can see penalties coming lads.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 24, 2008, 01:24:14 AM
Quote from: corn02 on April 24, 2008, 12:12:14 AM
Worst diver? That is a bit much clearly Drogba and Ronaldo are ten times worse.
Norf you are correct, 99% of Pool fans will say Gerrard does not dive, which is bullshit.
To be fair a lot of the Scousers on here condemned Gerard last week (Credit to them). My beef was GAWA coming on and going over old ground again.
We've people from Liverpool on the board :o :o :D
Lads the Man Ure ones are talking about the worst Utd team of the last 20 years so i will start us off, this is off the top of my head so there may be deserving candidates i have left out.......
Hooper
Kvarme
Dicks
Piechnik
Tanner
Kozma
Stewart
Carter
Marsh
Dundee
Cisse (Value for money and the high expectations we had mean he has to be included)
Diao surely?
Quote from: corn02 on April 24, 2008, 03:05:23 PM
Diao surely?
Good shout but who could you take out of that midfield, also forgot about Diouf.
Mike Marsh had his moments.
Itandje - Current sub, wouldn't trust him to do the dishes
Traroe
Babb
Tanner
Dicks
Cheyruo - the new Zidane ???
Jon Welsh - The new Gerrad, now struggling at Chester
Paul Stewart
Jimmy Carter - was he really a footballer
Nigel Clough - 2 goals against united isn't enough
Dundee/Voronin/Eric Meijer - take your pick
Dishonourable mentions - Leoharsden, Piechnik, Kvarme, Diao, Diouf, Riedle was also disappointing.
Actually I started that off over there, picking the side I'd like united to field next Tuesday night.
For Liverpool, it's a hard task. Basically a lot of the lads from 1991 to 2008 would have a chance :D
For what it's worth..
David James (Then, not now).
Josemi
Torben Piechnick
Phill Babb
The Jimmy
Bruno Cheyrou
Paul Stewart (I'm getting sick thinking about this list :D)
Igor Biscan
Jimmy Carter
Sean Dundee
Anriy Voronin
Anthony Le Tallec anyone?
The Jimmy definitely has to be there, as does Mickey the Monkey. Kromcrap, Pellegrino, Antonio Nunez, Abel Xavier,Tony Warner, Titi Camara, Frodde Kippe the list could go on and on and on ;D
Cisse gpt 14 goals in 48 games, shite but not shite enough for team. If you want to go on expectation leves Moreintes has to be considered.
Quote from: gawa316 on April 24, 2008, 08:42:46 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 24, 2008, 01:24:14 AM
To be fair a lot of the Scousers on here condemned Gerard last week (Credit to them). My beef was GAWA coming on and going over old ground again.
How exactly is it going over old ground when I was commenting on a match that I was at on tuesday?
I have never denied that Torres and Gerrard take a dive, but there are no where near Drogba in this aspect. On at least 4 occassions you would have thought he was seriously injured, just to get up 30 secs later and run on. Joe Cole was at it in the 1st half as well. A throw in down the line springs to mind, where he went down like a extra in Platoon.
As for Cashley he is just one of those hateful wee c***ts
That's ok then.
Would definitely have pellegrino in there, no pace at all although apparently he was a top lad. Lovely story from Istanbul where some of the Milan players fired their runner up medals on the ground in disgust and Pellegrino just dandered in to their dressing room, lifted three of them off the floor and gave them to Potter, Whitbread and one other lad who didnt get a medal.
He certainly fitted in with the Scouser mentality so :D
Pellegrinos best days were well behind him when he came so i dont think we were expecting too much.
No doubt whatsoever that Antonio Nunez was the worst footballer ever to pull on the red jersey.
without doubt
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David Speedie ?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 24, 2008, 03:20:01 PM
Anthony Le Tallec anyone?
The Jimmy definitely has to be there, as does Mickey the Monkey. Kromcrap, Pellegrino, Antonio Nunez, Abel Xavier,Tony Warner, Titi Camara, Frodde Kippe the list could go on and on and on ;D
Bit harsh putting Titti on the list. Wasn't he on fire when he landed first? By the end he sucked alright.
Some corkers their. You would wonder how we never got stuck in a relegation battle with some of lugs we carried. I suppose we did have a fair balance of crap and quality at times.
Although the worst player ever was Des Hamilton that Newcastle paid big money for. He was shocking!!
Take Titi of the list - because he scored an odd cracker ;)
Never rated Zenden in his reds days either.
Warner
Kromkamp
Pelligreno
Phil Bad
Jimmy Traore
Josemi
Bruno Cheerioooo
Zenden
Nunez
Croc Dundee
Voronin
Actually Rafa brought a lot of the above to Anfield.
Camara had a marvelous first season, before it all went wrong for him. I wouldn't necessarily write Mike Hooper off as a failure - he was a back-up to Grobellaar who performed just fine when needed.
Anyway, a few off the top of my head...
Westereld - brilliant at times, but too many lapses in concentration.
Josemi - looked top class when he arrived, but totally out of his depth after he came back from the first injury
Picnieck - awful
Babb - not much needs to be said!
Traore - poor positioning, lack of concentration, couldn't pass. Great tackler though!
Leonardsen - arrived with a big reputation, but never lived up to it.
Biscan - looked incredible that first day at Old Trafford and had some great games and decent spells, but mostly didn't look up to it.
Diao - out of his depth
Walters - another who arrived with a big reputation, but never seemed to have what it took to consistently beat defenders at the top level. Some good games and goals, but disappointing.
Morientes - complete let-down: just never showed what we all know he can do
Collymore - one excellent season, but attitude and performance was awful after that.
Whoever he is he looks a bit like yossi :D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 24, 2008, 03:47:51 PM
without doubt
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Could we also class him as Arsenal's worst player ever?
Jaysus he was brutal, wasn't he.
Didn't he share names with a US President?
And soccer ability as well. Spooky.
I'd say you could make a team from Rafas signing alone that would challenge any other for sheer crapness. When it comes to being disappointing, even if it wasn't their fault, rather than just plain crap, Liverpool have a lot of those too - Litmanen (an Ajax legend in my eyes), Morientes and Kewell would be three who spring to mind immediately
Quote from: Mentalman on April 24, 2008, 06:19:08 PM
I'd say you could make a team from Rafas signing alone that would challenge any other for sheer crapness. When it comes to being disappointing, even if it wasn't their fault, rather than just plain crap, Liverpool have a lot of those too - Litmanen (an Ajax legend in my eyes), Morientes and Kewell would be three who spring to mind immediately
Litmanen did fine in my opinion. The problem was that he didn't fit into Houllier's counter-attacking/long ball philosophy, so he didn't get to play very much.
Quote from: J70 on April 24, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on April 24, 2008, 06:19:08 PM
I'd say you could make a team from Rafas signing alone that would challenge any other for sheer crapness. When it comes to being disappointing, even if it wasn't their fault, rather than just plain crap, Liverpool have a lot of those too - Litmanen (an Ajax legend in my eyes), Morientes and Kewell would be three who spring to mind immediately
Litmanen did fine in my opinion. The problem was that he didn't fit into Houllier's counter-attacking/long ball philosophy, so he didn't get to play very much.
That's probably why I mentioned it might not be their fault - he was never given enough game time.
Found this on the Liverpool Echo:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2007/11/23/rafa-benitez-s-transfer-history-100252-20150499/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2007/11/23/rafa-benitez-s-transfer-history-100252-20150499/)
A lot of Rafa's crappiest signings were free, or relatively cheap, so I suppose from his point of view they were worth a punt:
Mauricio Pellegrino Free
Boudewijn Zenden Free
Jan Kromkamp Swop for Josemi
Andriy Voronin Free
Now don't get all defensive on me here...
There are many things to like about Liverpool FC, even though I'd probably never admit them. However one thing that gets under my skin is the media perception of the supporters. Liverpool fans are portrayed as loveable scallys which I do not understand.
Heysel is the stand out example, but more recentlly Liverpool fans have been over crowding stadiums due to the huge amount of fake tickets with Athens, Arsenal two weeks back both springing to mind. No one, especially Liverpool fans, can appreciate the dangers that this poses.
On Tuesday night it happened again, with the Kop rumoured to be overflowing due to the number of fakes. More sinister is the rumours that a 'Liverpool' fan attacked a Chelsea fan with a paving slap before the game. The fan is believed to have died tonight.
I am not here on the wind, but I am curious to know if the fans on here have experienced examples of this, or is it just isolated incidents? Reading back it's probably a stupid question to ask of a Liverpool fan, but I'll ask it anyway.
So what are you suggesting/asking?
That Liverpool fans have a greater tendency to generate and buy fake tickets than fans of other clubs? That the scumbags who have been involved in those incidents override the good reputation that Liverpool fans in general have?
I would think that 99% of Liverpool fans would be in favour of sorting out the scumbags among the support in general, and those involved in the ticket scams in particular.
As for the rumours about the Chelsea fan, its horrible that he was killed and I hope they catch and deal with the murderer in the most severe fashion. I'm not sure what else to say about it. I'm certainly not going to apologise for following the club because of the isolated death of a visiting fan, so long as the club do everything in their power to safeguard fans, to assist the police and to act appropriately with people who misbehave.
Heysel is rightly a massive stain on the club's history, but it could have been the supporters of any number of English clubs or the England team that caused such an incident. The fighting and the charges had happened numerous times before that, except that crumbling walls didn't collapse. And before the usual gobshites start, that is not excusing it. It was Liverpool and Juve fans who were rioting, it was the Juve fans who were killed, so the fans involved and the club had to accept the responsibility and pay the price. However, Heysel was the horrible climax to years of hooliganism across the continent by English fans in general. The wall collapsing may have been an isolated and tragic incident, but the rioting between the fans certainly wasn't.
J70 what I am trying to ask, and trying not to offend by saying it as I appreciate the sensitiveness of it all, is probably your first assumption.
Do Liverpool fans have a greater tendency to generate and buy fake tickets than fans of other clubs?
Being honest I never really hear about this being an issue except for Liverpool, and I was wondering is this the case, or is it just magnified because of the resonance from their past. Any time at the Bridge I have never encountered a problem with over crowding, fake tickets etc etc (Add your own punch line).
If it is the case is it not something that fans group should be trying to eradicate or maybe they are?
Norf, Re the fan killed. Can see nowhere else about it only on Chelsea boards and even there it is rumour and speculation. Would appear he got hit with brick and wnet to hospital, dischraged himself and died yesterday. Bad news and tragic if true, which it very well may be.
Re the overcrowding and scummy element, it would appear to be a big problem at Liverpool away games in European competition. I think United have a similar problem but prob not to the same level. It always seemed to be part and parcel of travelling to Euro games to "bunk" in to games. This would appear to rear its head with a new younger generation out to create their own stories. They get tickets through mates for earlier games of CL and then when the big rounds come up and the tickets dry up they are left outside. They "believe" they have a right a get in and will use fake tickets, double click, cause mayhem at stiles to force their way in. A minority see no wrong in it, others are livid as they can see what will happen if it isn;t cut out.
As for the Kop been overcrowded the other night, I've seen it onm forums where it was more to do with people moving seats to be with their mates and in the singing sections at the back. As they stood all night, it was easier to do so and left some room on lower.side rows while at the back middle it was more crowded. Some do say that extra did get in but no-one (which is unusual) has admitted getting in by bunking or fake ticket.
Hysel, while a tragedy for which Liverpools part can't be excused, was a disaster waiting to happen. For years English supporters were running riot in Europe and the shameful thing is that Liverpool continued this thread that night. The wall collapsing was a consequence of that. On a side note, the Belgium authorities didn't hold back in their own investigation and several high racking officials including Police chief, the club which owned the ground and stadium manager were fined heavily and received jail sentences for their part in the disaster. Unlike Hillsborough.
I think some Liverpool fans, especially some of the travelling brigade in Europe, are absolute idiots. I cannot believe that a club which lost 96 supporters in an incident of overcrowding at Hillsborough would continually have incidents of people trying to cause overcrowding at foreign stadia. It beggars belief really.
I think it's a product of the fact that Liverpool always travel in numbers, and many without tickets, because they want to see the Reds play. That, however, is no excuse for causing trouble when you can't get in, or even worse, trying to 'run the turnstiles' as happened at Athens. Absolutely idiotic, and I have no problem saying it as a Liverpool fan.
I can't speak for other clubs, or the reasons why they have the same, or do not have the same, sort of incidents. United have had isolated incidents, but I can't recall many in the way of attempted forced entry or the like, and United travel in big numbers as well.
What I do know is that, while I don't feel it's malicious intent to cause problems, it betrays an ignorance of previous tragic events, as well as a complete disrespect of other fellow Liverpool fans.
here's one for you lads
Jean-Michel Ferri
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 25, 2008, 04:56:48 AM
If it is the case is it not something that fans group should be trying to eradicate or maybe they are?
Of course it is something they should be trying to eradicate. What would you expect any fair-minded person to say? And given that it is something that happened in Athens and at Arsenal within the past year, I would expect the responsible authorities to be taking steps to counteract it. Scumbags are scumbags, and I don't know why anyone would expect Liverpool fans not to condemn this behaviour.
What irritates the fcuk out of me is when sanctimonious fans of rival clubs use the actions of a tiny minority to demonize the entire club and its support. If their clubs are so pure or so much better than Liverpool in terms of the behaviour of their support, I'm sure that there are police and FA statistics out there to make the case.
What about Gary Ablett??? :o
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 25, 2008, 01:27:53 PM
What about Gary Ablett??? :o
Ablett wasn't great, and certainly not up to the class of the men he was brought in to cover and replace e.g. Hansen, Lawrenson and Beglin. I wouldn't put him down in the class of Sean Dundee or Djimi Traore however.
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 25, 2008, 01:27:53 PM
What about Gary Ablett??? :o
Ablett was alright, played in some great teams. Managing the reserves now.
I'd agree with J70. He was very poor in comparison to the men he replaced, but was a step above some of the other dross that have played for Liverpool since then. Torben Piechnik?
Ablett was always on a loser beacuse of the players he had to replace and also, he looked like Hansen so people expected more from him :P He was ok by the standards around him, was just slow in my view.
Yeah, I suppose he only really stood out because of the (magnificent) company he was in. I remember cringing at some of the things he did, but in comparison to some of the luminaries mentioned, he was alright I s'pose. ;)
Glen Hysen never reached the heights expected of him. Team on slide at the time but he played his part in that.
Never liked David Burrows. Wouldn't be own of worst of all time but was not in Stautons class at the time.
Liverpool went through a mad phase of signing lookey-likes to replace players for a while. Burrows for Staunton, Speedie for Dalglish, Aldridge for Rush, Ablett for Hansen.
I thought Ablett and Burrows came through the underage structure?
Sorry. I shouldn't have said 'signing', I meant 'getting'. Burrows came from the Baggies though.
your ma came through my underage structure.
I just checked that AZ.
I ahd forgotten about the other gary Ablett, the great Aussie rules player from the same time, ex Hawthorne player I think, probably could have played as well at footie than the other one.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 25, 2008, 02:22:57 PM
I just checked that AZ.
I ahd forgotten about the other gary Ablett, the great Aussie rules player from the same time, ex Hawthorne player I think, probably could have played as well at footie than the other one.
Geelong - he was my fave Aussie Rules player at the time
Erik.....big Dutch fella....can't remember his second name. He was a tube but totally fearless. I remember him lying on the ground trying to head the ball away from the defenders foot :D
Bjorn Tore Kvarme wasn't great and neither was Stig. The stewards in the Kop were always more likely to get onto one of Stig's crosses than Robbie.
Erik Meijr (spelling?) aka Erik the Viking aka Erik the useless hoor.
Quote from: J70 on April 25, 2008, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 25, 2008, 04:56:48 AM
If it is the case is it not something that fans group should be trying to eradicate or maybe they are?
Of course it is something they should be trying to eradicate. What would you expect any fair-minded person to say? And given that it is something that happened in Athens and at Arsenal within the past year, I would expect the responsible authorities to be taking steps to counteract it. Scumbags are scumbags, and I don't know why anyone would expect Liverpool fans not to condemn this behaviour.
What irritates the fcuk out of me is when sanctimonious fans of rival clubs use the actions of a tiny minority to demonize the entire club and its support. If their clubs are so pure or so much better than Liverpool in terms of the behaviour of their support, I'm sure that there are police and FA statistics out there to make the case.
Bingo, AZ and J70 thanks for the replies. J70 I don't know if you think I am being sanctimonious or not, but that was not my intention. It's hardly a subject a Chelsea fan can be sanctimonious about.
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 25, 2008, 03:04:44 PM
Erik Meijr (spelling?) aka Erik the Viking aka Erik the useless hoor.
Thats him alright!
Was he on the books at the same time as Dundee?
Frightening!
Himself, Dundee and Riedle were all on the books , along with a young Michael Owen, around the same time. It was truly a golden age.
Quote from: Chrisowc on April 25, 2008, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 25, 2008, 03:04:44 PM
Erik Meijr (spelling?) aka Erik the Viking aka Erik the useless hoor.
Thats him alright!
Was he on the books at the same time as Dundee?
Frightening!
In fairness lads he was never gonna be a first team regular and nobody was expecting him to do anything, it is ten times worse when you have someone like Cisse, Kewell who arrive on a large salary and do next to nothing.
what do we think of the new kit?
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Yeah their alright. Is there much of a change?
PS Gab just saw ya on one of my mates bebo pages by chance there.
They did not exactly get creative did they? While I like the old-fashioned style and plainess of it, it is another example of commercialsm gone mad were someone forks out £40 each year for a new, slighlty altered kit.
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 25, 2008, 01:27:53 PM
What about Gary Ablett??? :o
He's on the coaching staff now as well!
QuoteBjorn Tore Kvarme
Hey AZ, what about the current (??) manager of IK Start? :P
Good old Stig Inge Bjornebye. (Whatever about quality, we'd be brilliant at Scrabble Premiership :D)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 25, 2008, 03:55:15 PM
what do we think of the new kit?
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Don't see much difference :-\ It is still the arch enemy :D :D
It looks quite similar to the 85-86 Double jersey, without the yellow in the trim.
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 25, 2008, 03:55:15 PM
what do we think of the new kit?
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Pretty good. Nice and simple anyway which is the best way. Wish they would go back to the classic Liverbird crest though or at least a modern version of it.
I like it too. Nice and plain is the way to go.
I think they've gone back to the gray for the away strip. Quite brave after United's experience at The Dell that time!
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season appraisal
Pepe Reina: solid season again from liverpool custodian. ever reliable with excellent distribution
Steve Finnan: had some rocky displays earlier on notably against Marseille at Anfield. Injuries haven't helped since either but still best option at right-back when fit.
Sami Hyypia: Delighted to see him earn new contract. In the abscence of Agger he has really done well. Never had much pace and hisreading of the game is excellent. Does tend to stuggle when his man drags him out wide where he seems to give away free-kicks in dangerous positions. However, still a decent season from the big Finn and still a threat from set pieces. Likely to feature less next season but ten years of service for a foreign player is a fantastic achievement.
Daniel Agger: Really expected him to confirm to the rest of the Premier League how good a player he was and maybe help to dispel the myth that Rafa doesnt have a shrewd eye for a player. Unfortunate with inability to recover from metatarsal injury but should be ready for next season. Will be like having new player. Vitally important in home games as he has great ability at carrying the ball out from the back and great distribution. offers good balance to the defence also.
John-Arne Riise: Confidence seems to be at a great low this season. The lack of goals seems to worry him and also the murmurings that he will be out this summer. On the playing side he has had a poor season and his lack of ability on the ball has been shown up by Aurelio's technique. Seems completely lost when he crosses the half-way line and continuously loses the ball in tight situations. Think a left-back will be on Rafa's wishlist this summer just like last year and Riise could make way.
Harry Kewell: Once again reported for pre-season injured. Had a mini revival pre-christmas with notable substitute appearance against Porto away helping to turn the game. however, despite getting a run of ten games or so failed to complete the 90mins of any. Rafa has always been a fan of Kewell and has given him every chance to get into the side but he seems to have finally run out of patience. Highly unlikely that he will be offered a new contract in the summer.
Steven Gerrard: 21 goals only 2 off his best tally for Liverpool with a potential 5 games left, a total which included half a dozen in champions league qualifying rounds. so in terms of goalscoring against strong opposition he has become ever relibale. Really mature as a player now and still only 27. seems to take the right option rather than seek the killer pass which he used to be guilty of. Leads by example and can handle the pressure situations. I'm only 22 so I would rank him as the best player I have ever seen play for Liverpool. Just can't imagine what it would be like without him. Partnership and understanding with Torres is fantastic. Forget Ronaldo and Rooney these two are the real deal.
Fernando Torres: 30 goals, first since Robbie Fowler. Seems to always score in front of the Kop and works so hard when the team don't have the ball. Combines his pace with a great touch and has scored all sorts of goals. long- range, chips, towering headers, glancing headers, left foot, right foot. No two goals are ever the same. And he is the master at taking the ball around the goalkeeper. My favourite Torres goal? away in Marseille, out of absolute nothing. Class.
Andriy Voronin: Started off with a few goals against poor opposition and perhaps injuries have meant we can't see how good he is. But he seems lazy and lacking in commitment. Has a good touch at times but seems to buckle in front of goal. expect him to leave this summer and head back to Germany.
Yossi Benayoun: Two hat-tricks, double figures in goals. not a bad first season. Don't think he would be first choice when everyone is fit but is a fantastic weapon on the bench to come on in tight games to hold the ball and unlock defences. Perhaps a bit light-wait but has greater ball retention skills than Luis Garcia, whom he effectively replaced.
Fabio Aurelio: We know hes injury prone but when he got a run in the team lat season I liked him and again the same has happened this season. He has a great left foot but someone please stop him from hitting free kicks and corners just because he is Brazilian.
Xabi Alonso: If only he had been fit all year because we haven't really seen the real Alonso this season but we all know how good he is. Still only 26, his best is yet to come. Still has an important part to play this season.
Peter Crouch: Not as much game time this season for Crouch. Been a victim of a new formation of late when he has looked in decent form but still an important weapon to have. Disappointed to see him left out of match squads earlier in the season in favour of Voronin but good news to hear that Rafa wants to keep him. In certain games, particularly in Europe, his mere presence on the pitch instigates anxiety and panic in other teams.
Jermaine Pennant: I like Pennant when hes on form but just feel he isn't consistent enough. has the ability to beat any full back but his final ball invariably lets him down. But I would give him another season at least. He is still learning and think there is great potential there. Like i said he just needs to perform regularly and improve his goal return.
Alvaro Arbeloa: Quiet, efficient, unspectacular but not a bad squad player to have. has good stamina and he is an able deputy at right or left back.
Dirk Kuyt: We all know about Kuyt's season. Seemed to struggle badly in the early part of the season and the death of his father undoubtedly affected his confidence. But never stops giving his all. He needed time to overcome his problems and his position on the right of midfield appears to be suiting him. Now that there is less pressure on him to get goals he seems to have performed with greater freedom and if kept in that position next season will improve as he gets to know the position. his technique lets him down at times and is very one footed but is vitally important to the team at present. Man for the big games with goals against Chelsea, Inter Milan, Arsenal and AC Milan in the champions league. Confidence player.
Ryan Babel: Extremely raw but has great potential and has improved over the course of the season. has the right temperament to play for Liverpool. Feels he is slightly out of position but never complains. sees his long-term career as a striker in the Thierry Henry mould. Why not bring Henry to Liverpool this summer and let Babel learn from the master?
Javier Mascherano: Maradona described him as a 'monster' of a player. I think every Liverpool fan knows what he means. You need to watch every game to see his true value and it was vital that he was signed permanently. Master of the slide tackle chasing back towards his own goal and just so good at using his body and shielding the defence. He's like didi hamann with the busy running of sissoko. Fanatstic player who just cannot be left out in the big games.
Lucas Leiva: Quiet first season for a young player trying to settle. Has ability but hard to tell as yet exactly how good he will get. seems to lose concentration easily and can be a bit lazy with his passing but time is on his side.
Jamie Carraagher: Class act. End of story.
Charles Itandje: Back up and no more. had good games and bad. Expect him to leave this summer for another back up keeper.
Sebastian Leto: Has a good reputation in youth football with Argentina but does not look the part in a Liverpool shirt.
Martin Skrtel: Shaky start when he was lacking in match sharpness due to the Russian close-season but has proved to be a class buy. Reads it very well and has the physicla attrbutes to succeed. Excellent tackler but sumtimes goes to ground too easily and can be suscaptible to the long ball over his head from the opposite wing but with time will improve.
Nabil El Zhar: Only played a couple of games but is like a jack in the box for the reserves. Quick and takes on defences on both wings. Remains to be seen whether he can make the step-up to the first team.
Jack Hobbs: Signed at 16 with a big reputation from Hull City and looked ok in the first team. Loan experience this season and probably next is what he needs to improve his game.
Momo Sissoko: Sadly, his passing was just not up to scratch and had to move on. Mascherano is a better player so Mo was no longer needed. But has been performing well for Juve and could meet him again in Europe in the coming seasons.
Rafa Benitez: Sadly, a championship challenge did not materialise but the team is definitely improving and he is the right man for the job. Board need to back him because he has the fans on his side. Could still lead the team to Moscow so would be a fine achievement. The departure of Pako Ayesteran was a worry but has proved since that Liverpool are in good hands. He gets too much bad press in terms of sqaud rotation. The problem is not squad rotation. His record of being in finals come the end of the season every year has proved him right. The problem is perhaps that the overall ability of the squad is not good enough, but is getting better.
The Liverpool team in full:
Reina, Finnan, Riise, Skrtel, Hyypia, Plessis, Lucas, Pennant, Benayoun, Voronin, Crouch.
Subs: Itandje, Gerrard, Kuyt, Carragher, Insua.
Thought he might've given a few more young boys a go
1-0 to Birmingham. Forssell unmarked in acres of space at the back post.
Liverpool don't look too interested.
Poor stuff!
brutal
Did anyone expect anything different?
Nice free kick.
Superb goal
Crouch 2-1
Lovely work from Pennant.
Liverpool starting to open Birmingham up a bit now. Could be something in this game after all.
2-2
Lucky deflection of a weak Benayoun header.
Great game from Pennant, why can't he do that more often?
Quote from: gawa316 on April 26, 2008, 04:57:20 PM
Great game from Pennant, why can't he do that more often?
My sentiments exactly
Birmingham will be kicking themselves if they end up getting relegated, Liverpool where there for the taking today.
Great performance by pennant, he must have been motivated to perform against his former team.
Voronin=waste of space
Decent last 30 today, but decent performance from Pennant only papers over the cracks!!
A clear out needed and he is one who has to go, if we are gonna be serious in challenging for league title next year!!
Agreed, a largely second string Utd 11 were 6 mins away from a result at the Bridge, we cannot trust this lot to get results except anyone in relegation trouble, a lot of the players on display yesterday are not good enough to challenge at the level we want to play at and will have to go.
2-2 in the Everton-Villa game, so the final champions league spot is now officially Liverpool's.
Looks like the reserves will be finishing the season. Insua did quite well when he came on yesterday, so it will be interesting to see himself and the likes of Plessis get another couple of games.
QuoteA clear out needed and he is one who has to go, if we are gonna be serious in challenging for league title next year!!
hmm.... might take a bit more than that! :P
Funny how at the United V Chelsea game on Sunday how the players constantly confronted the Ref re decisions. Yet no cards, yellow or red?
Goes to show how Mash card V United was a case of a ref reacting to the events of that week. He his was a card, then at least a few players should have been carded on Saturday. But, hey, its the England Captains and its players who care so much in such a big game (as FiveLive discussed) that it is to be expected and excused.
Ps, Under the bar, not too much of a clear out needed. If (and I don't like using the word - too easy to do so) the pool had beaten United in both of the games this year, then we'd be a point ahead of united. First goal in first game was always going to key on the day, while second game was a bad day at office.
I would say Liverpool need to strenghten in both full back positions (although I think Insua at LB is a great prospect), left wing (Babbel may be our 2nd stricker), right wing (if the right RB was bought, I'd be happy with pennant and Kuyt as RM though). I would also like to see a another quality forward to play with Torres or In Gerrads role.
To go: Riise, Finnan, Voronin, Benayoun, Carson, Kewell, Voronin.
To go: Riise, Finnan, Voronin, Benayoun, Carson, Kewell, Voronin.
You definately want Voronin (x2) out anyway! ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 28, 2008, 12:26:46 PM
To go: Riise, Finnan, Voronin, Benayoun, Carson, Kewell, Voronin.
You definately want Voronin (x2) out anyway! ;)
Just to be sure :D
Quotethe likes of Plessis
From the little I've seen of him, he looks a very decent prospect.
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 28, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
Quotethe likes of Plessis
From the little I've seen of him, he looks a very decent prospect.
Personally I think he's as good as he's going to get. Which is steady and neat. But for me he's neither energetic enough or good enough going forward to make it at top level. I've seen him about 4 or 5 times for the reserves, and he never stood out.
I've only seen him twice Hound, and against Arsenal he was sitting back a bit alright, but he looked calm enough and assured on the ball. I'll bow to your superior knowledge. ;)
Thats the firs t real look iv had at Plessis and hes like a sissoko that can pass!
Whats the thoughts on the transfer targets?
I like Barry as a player, but I dont think we should be paying a fortune for him - I would prefer a more out and out winger with more pace, and i cant see him playing much in the centre. Money best being spen elsewhere I think
Quote from: Billys Boots on April 28, 2008, 12:45:30 PM
I've only seen him twice Hound, and against Arsenal he was sitting back a bit alright, but he looked calm enough and assured on the ball. I'll bow to your superior knowledge. ;)
To be honest, I'm probably a bit biased against him. He plays alongside Jay Spearing in the centre of midfield for the reserves. Spearing is a scouser, no bigger than Scholes, maybe an inch or two shorter! Spearing charges about for 90 minutes, getting stuck in, trying to make things happen, takes risks. He makes a tackle on the edge of our own box one minute, and gets on the end of cross in the opposition box the next. Gets his fair share of goals too. Plessis waltzes around the centre circle, nearly always available alright and rarely gives it away, but equally rarely plays a key pass. So I was disappointed Plessis got his chance before the local lad.
Barry is good but is it not possible that this may be his agent using the Carson situation as a way to get a move. Villa won't pay the money for Carson so they take him and say £7m for Barry. Not beyond the realms of possibility and O'Neill came out today to say that Carson's situation will only be considered at the end of the season. If they did this kind of deal I think it would be good business and would leave good money in the pot to strenghten the rest of the squad.
Crouch will go, as will fat Harry, the Vorinator, Riise and maybe Benuyoun. I would keep Finnan as he is an experienced pro and they won't get money for him. He could be a very reliable squad player. Bring in Bentley, a strong running right back, another striker to score 15-20 goals a season. Hopefully he will blood more reserve team players in the last 2 games, I would like to see how Nemeth copes as he could potentially save a lot of money. They will have Agger back, which will be like signing a new player and hopefully Alonso will regain his form.
I can't see Benayoun going as long as he is happy being a back-up player. From what I've seen, he's been fine in that role. If he wants to be a first-choice player, that is a different story.
Quote from: Hound on April 28, 2008, 12:43:31 PM
I've seen him about 4 or 5 times for the reserves, and he never stood out.
Hound, where do you watch the reserve games?
Barry would be a decent replacement for Alonso, who I think will leave in the summer. And as brokencrossbar said, Carson + money for Barry would be decent enough business. I can see bennyoun staying on but we need to get rid of pennant, despite a good performance at the weekend. Priorities for the summer would be: right winger, central midfielder (Barry???) & a partner for torres.
The 4-4-1-1 formation with gerrard behind torres will do fine against most of the PL teams but when playing man utd/arsenal/chelsea, the likes of rio/vidic, toure/gallas, carv/terry are all comfortable enough against the lone threat of torres up front. Need to play 4-4-2 against those teams, with gerrard on the wing and a quality partner beside torres upfront. We might then finally get a win over those teams in the PL. 4 draws + 2 Losses just aint good enough!!!
Quote from: stevo-08 on April 28, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 28, 2008, 12:43:31 PM
I've seen him about 4 or 5 times for the reserves, and he never stood out.
Hound, where do you watch the reserve games?
Barry would be a decent replacement for Alonso, who I think will leave in the summer. And as brokencrossbar said, Carson + money for Barry would be decent enough business. I can see bennyoun staying on but we need to get rid of pennant, despite a good performance at the weekend. Priorities for the summer would be: right winger, central midfielder (Barry???) & a partner for torres.
The 4-4-1-1 formation with gerrard behind torres will do fine against most of the PL teams but when playing man utd/arsenal/chelsea, the likes of rio/vidic, toure/gallas, carv/terry are all comfortable enough against the lone threat of torres up front. Need to play 4-4-2 against those teams, with gerrard on the wing and a quality partner beside torres upfront. We might then finally get a win over those teams in the PL. 4 draws + 2 Losses just aint good enough!!!
Most/all of the Reserve games are on LFC TV, channel 448 on Sky if you have the Setanta Sports Pack.
Degen on a free is the name being mentioned for the RB slot.
Cant say I know much about him other than he is swiss.
well boys, we know its the Manc's waiting in the final.
Would absolutely love a crack at them. In a one off, I don't think we should fear them, all form and league tables would go out the window.
I think it is even more of an incentive (if their was one needed) to beat Chelsea. Chelsea will feel the same though.
Going to be some night.
Yeah, I'll be sick if Liverpool don't make it now. Sure, it would take a while to live down a defeat in the final, but the crack and the intensity on the night would be well worth it. There should be no problems motivating the Liverpool team now for tomorrow night.
Yea J70 thats excatly how i was last year when we didnt make it
Hope yous do it because as you say the craic will be unreal
It's hard not to be distracted by a possible final against our biggest rivals, but first things first - the small matter of a trip to the bridge tonight.
What are people's thoughts on the lineup. Aurelio out is a blow, he's played some good ball recently. Means a shake up in defence.
Rafa has a few options there: carra/hyypia/skrtel/arbeloa or arbeloa/carra/skrtel/riise. There's even the option of starting finnan but I think that's unlikely. I'd suspect he'd go with a straight swap with riise coming in at LB.
As for the midfield/forward selection, I'd be tempted to start crouch and go with a similar formation as against arsenal in 2nd leg - kuyt/masch/alonso/gerrard & torres/crouch up front. I know gerrard doesnt seem to like that position but just let him roam if he wants. Crouch is in good form and would create plenty of problems in the chelsea defence. It also leaves the option of babel coming on as sub which seems to work.
Quote from: stevo-08 on April 30, 2008, 08:31:57 AM
It's hard not to be distracted by a possible final against our biggest rivals, but first things first - the small matter of a trip to the bridge tonight.
What are people's thoughts on the lineup. Aurelio out is a blow, he's played some good ball recently. Means a shake up in defence.
Rafa has a few options there: carra/hyypia/skrtel/arbeloa or arbeloa/carra/skrtel/riise. There's even the option of starting finnan but I think that's unlikely. I'd suspect he'd go with a straight swap with riise coming in at LB.
As for the midfield/forward selection, I'd be tempted to start crouch and go with a similar formation as against arsenal in 2nd leg - kuyt/masch/alonso/gerrard & torres/crouch up front. I know gerrard doesnt seem to like that position but just let him roam if he wants. Crouch is in good form and would create plenty of problems in the chelsea defence. It also leaves the option of babel coming on as sub which seems to work.
I'd agree with that. Babel seems much more of a threat when the opposition are tiring.
Absolutely shitting myself. Even if and it's a big if we do get through to the final, my stomach is going to in knots for the next 3 odd weeks thinking about 'that' final.
its near time. Extremely stressed at this stage, trying to keep busy all day but somehow everytime i try and evaluate the company and shareholders cost of a members voluntary liquidation the final cost boils down to weather Torres can get running at Terry and if Carra can handle Drogba. Someones fee is going to suffer ;D ;D
Not too confident to be honest. Destiny always seems to play a big part in soccer. More than logic can explain. Chelsea are bound to get to a CL final and where else could it be more fitting than in Romans Moscow.
If Liverpool score first, I fancy us getting through. Think we could hold out or even steal a second late on. If we don't can see us getting plenty of ball but getting fustrated with it. Even Crouch off the bench, shouldn't worry Chelsea with their physical presence at the back.
Too hard too call. Gut says Chelsea, heart says Liverpool, head is staying out of it.
Best of luck tonight Bin dippers. Really want the chance to beat you lot in the Final :D :D ;D
i think it will finish 1-1 & Liverpool will win on pens! i'd happily take getting to extra time if someone was to offer it now!
Quote from: hardstation on April 30, 2008, 03:38:25 PM
Liverpool to go 2-0 infront inside the first 20 minutes. Defend like hoors. Final score 2-2.
Liverpool - Man United final.
You trying to kill me ;D
Quotein Romans Moscow
I'm beginning to see the Utd squad having a very broken night's sleep in Moscow, due to unforeseen circumstances.
I'll go for a 0-0 tonight.
Like last year I went over to Liverpool to watch the final, unreal atmosphere around the city before the game and post match despite the result.
Just took a chance & booked there again, only £35 quid return from City airport with ryanair wed-fri! expect a hike tomorrow if Liverpool do it!
In Moscow we'll win it 6 times
Quote from: girt_giggler on April 30, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
Like last year I went over to Liverpool to watch the final, unreal atmosphere around the city before the game and post match despite the result.
Just took a chance & booked there again, only £35 quid return from City airport with ryanair wed-fri! expect a hike tomorrow if Liverpool do it!
In Moscow we'll win it 6 times
I know a united fan who priced moscow with abbey yesterday. He booked it today and had to pay over €200 more than he was quoted yesterday. Imagine the increase tomorrow if Liverpool make it. They are also not asking who you follow. Both sets of fans, be united with Chelsea/liverpool, will be travelling together.
Benayoun starts for Babel and Riise in for Aurelio. As you'd expect for the rest. Presume Babel will be thrown on when the blue legs tire later.
Big Frank is back for Chelsea, Ferriera losing out with Essien back to right-back. Kalou starts in Malouda's place too.
QuoteChelsea
Cech
Essien
Carvalho
Terry
Cole
Makelele
Lampard
Ballack
Kalou
Drogba
Cole
Liverpool
Reina
Arbeloa
Carragher
Skrtel
Riise
Mascherano
Alonso
Kuyt
Gerrard
Benayoun
Torres
Looks like its all over :'(
Get Crouch and Babel on!
Gerrard is shocking so far. And what exactly is benayoun supposed to be doing?
CANT SEE US GOING THROUGH HERE.MISS SKRTEL AT THE BACK HAS DOING RITELY AGAIN DROGBA.ARBELOA HAS BEEN CLEAN SCRAP.ON THE BALL VERY POOR.WHAT THAT WASTE OF SPACE BENAYOUN ON FOR.WOULD HAVE PENNANT OR SHIFT GERRARD TO THE RIGHT AND CROUCH UP FRONT
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 30, 2008, 08:35:59 PM
Gerrard is shocking so far. And what exactly is benayoun supposed to be doing?
prob quiet because he wouldnt want to get booked would he, might miss the final
Quote from: An Fear Rua on April 30, 2008, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 30, 2008, 08:35:59 PM
Gerrard is shocking so far. And what exactly is benayoun supposed to be doing?
prob quiet because he wouldnt want to get booked would he, might miss the final
whats changed? still need to score, looking like nick 1 in second half and hold on for pens?
Very poor from the Pool in the first half. Barely even looked up for it. Hard to see them turning it around. Even at only 1-0. Just haven't threatened at all.
Unreal, here we go again! Come on the POOL!!!!!!!
Jesus that's dramatic, Torres better be injured or else that's pure madness.
As wee Ray said.....game, set and match
adios..... or is it?
Milan in 2005 , Bayern v Getaffe, 1999, etc............
Fair play to lampard in fairness.
Thats it! Stupid tackle from Hyypia!
Big Sami always has something like that in his locker, chickens came home to roost with players like Sami and Riise sleeping for Drogbas second
Hyypia should of had a peno..why did torres go off?
wait a minute :D
:o :o :o They couldn't 8)
PLEASE!!!!!!
I always thought the away goals rule did not count in extra time. George Hamilton is suggesting it does. Can anyone confirm ?
Quote from: blast05 on April 30, 2008, 10:10:16 PM
I always thought the away goals rule did not count in extra time. George Hamilton is suggesting it does. Can anyone confirm ?
it does count, if its 3-3 its a north west final
A well !
Hard luck lads..... never thought i would be sorry to see yous beat!
ah well, they can keep their lovely half and half scarves for the 21st when they become chelsea fans for the night.
Bad luck
Why was Torres taken off? Was he injured?
Was Crouchy caught in the bed with Mrs Benitez?
No way AFR. Couldn't care less now.
No way!!!! surely they will be supporting there neighbours ???
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 30, 2008, 10:17:31 PM
No way AFR. Couldn't care less now.
youll be the exception my friend, one of few
Dont know who i will support in the final now! The only bright thing about it is that i will be in Vegas for it :)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 30, 2008, 10:18:26 PM
Dont know who i will support in the final now! The only bright thing about it is that i will be in Vegas for it :)
:o :o Nice 1..... Take me Take me!!!
Quote from: new devil on April 30, 2008, 10:21:26 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 30, 2008, 10:18:26 PM
Dont know who i will support in the final now! The only bright thing about it is that i will be in Vegas for it :)
:o :o Nice 1..... Take me Take me!!!
Would that mean i would have to cheer for United??
Ah well i suppose Chelsea had to beat us sometime fair play to them. I naturally hope they win it now. Fair play to Lampard aswell it eases the pain of losing when you see the emotion he displayed puts everything into perspective
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 30, 2008, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: new devil on April 30, 2008, 10:21:26 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 30, 2008, 10:18:26 PM
Dont know who i will support in the final now! The only bright thing about it is that i will be in Vegas for it :)
:o :o Nice 1..... Take me Take me!!!
Would that mean i would have to cheer for United??
Of coarse!! il even give you a jersey ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 30, 2008, 10:23:51 PM
Ah well i suppose Chelsea had to beat us sometime fair play to them. I naturally hope they win it now. Fair play to Lampard aswell it eases the pain of losing when you see the emotion he displayed puts everything into perspective
Theres a surprise :D :D
if Gerard had off been playing tonight it might have been differant
Oh well, that was disappointing, but what can you do? Silly mistakes made the difference in the end, with Riise's o.g. and Hyppia's mistimed tackle, but they've been the hero enough times in the past that they'll be forgiven. Hope Chelsea go on to win it now, and I hope the Liverpool management and players are magnanimous in defeat. The Liverpool v Man Utd meeting will happen eventually, given the frequency with which both teams are getting to the latter stages now.
Fair fcuks to Lampard. It cannot have been easy to even play the match, never mind take such a high-pressure penalty. Apparently his mother's funeral isn't till Friday - he must be an absolute mess.
Firstly, fair play to chelsea, and good luck in the final.
Now into liverpool's performance.
We were always gonna struggle when Skrtl when off early, with pace against the Chelsea attack. Carragher done really well(as usual!), made a number of crucial interceptions, especially as he was on a yellow and risked the possibilty of missing the final.
Riise was slow to react for Chelsea's first. I dont think he is the answer to the left back position, id be happy to see him leave in the summer (maybe as a make weight in a deal for gareth barry?).
Rafa was proven correct with the Benayoun decision, his darting run made the difference for the goal. However, i thought it was a strange decision bringing on Pennant for Yossi, Babel would have been more suitable at that stage of the game.
Torres showed his class with the finish, he surely should have been left on in extra time when a goal was needed. Possibly he was injured, though an injured torres is more a goal threat than Kuyt any day. Dirk was nver in the game tonight, he just isnt good enough for a key role in the team as Rafa seems to believe(going by his team selections).
Mascherano immense again.
Im not sure if Rafa will stay for next season, i guess it may yet be decided by the off field antics.
Target for next season has to be to finish within touching distance of the premiership winners. Still 2 or 3 major players short of a realistic expection of bringing home league no 19.
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on April 30, 2008, 10:30:35 PM
if Gerard had off been playing tonight it might have been differant
If you had went to school more often, you might be able to spell now.
Easy on stiffler. Your very grumpy these days. Took that off bebo for you. 'iii Strain get that hit off that website iii'
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
Easy on stiffler. Your very grumpy these days. Took that off bebo for you. 'iii Strain get that hit off that website iii'
Good man jim, i thought u had matured beyond that point. Is it true you done mds to get £ for the new tv and ps3?
Is that where the ping pong ball story originates?
They done research on the effects which the ping pong ball have had so far and give me a load of money for it. well worth it. At least we wont be poisoned by scousers when we go to liverpool in a few weeks. You and tilly will probably spend your time in angels anyway.
Rafa shouldnt have been running his mouth about drogba before the game, he made him mad.
Quote from: stiffler on April 30, 2008, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
Easy on stiffler. Your very grumpy these days. Took that off bebo for you. 'iii Strain get that hit off that website iii'
Good man jim, i thought u had matured beyond that point. Is it true you done mds to get £ for the new tv and ps3?
Is that where the ping pong ball story originates?
Stiffler, ye can take out your frustrations at indoor soccer tomorrow night, if your ankles still not the size of Jim Stynes' left ball!!!!!
Another frustrating season with feck all to show!!
Players just arent there to deliver consistently to be taken seriously!Alot of money has been spent on rubbish, and unfort im not convinced that Rafa is the man.
Some of his decisions are baffling!!
Best team won on the nite!! Suppose the positive is that its not Utd taking us in the final!! Fancy Chelsea to take them!
Quote from: The Gs Man on April 30, 2008, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: stiffler on April 30, 2008, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
Easy on stiffler. Your very grumpy these days. Took that off bebo for you. 'iii Strain get that hit off that website iii'
Good man jim, i thought u had matured beyond that point. Is it true you done mds to get £ for the new tv and ps3?
Is that where the ping pong ball story originates?
Stiffler, ye can take out your frustrations at indoor soccer tomorrow night, if your ankles still not the size of Jim Stynes' left ball!!!!!
Its the right one G's man
I wont lie, i hope Chelsea beat United out the gate in Moscow. As for Liverpool, too many players not good enough. You cant rely on Torres every single time. Mascherano was brilliant, amazing energy levels and he is without doubt the best player in world football playing that position. Big Sami always has that sort of mistake bubbling under the surface, Skrtel was a big loss as he would have been well fit for Drogba i think. The two teams with the biggest squads and most resources are in the final, who would have thought......
what happen to the great gerard went missing in action
Quote from: The Gs Man on April 30, 2008, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: stiffler on April 30, 2008, 10:41:52 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on April 30, 2008, 10:39:19 PM
Easy on stiffler. Your very grumpy these days. Took that off bebo for you. 'iii Strain get that hit off that website iii'
Good man jim, i thought u had matured beyond that point. Is it true you done mds to get £ for the new tv and ps3?
Is that where the ping pong ball story originates?
Stiffler, ye can take out your frustrations at indoor soccer tomorrow night, if your ankles still not the size of Jim Stynes' left ball!!!!!
Ankle's only the size of Jim's ball post-syringing now so il maybe risk it.
Did anyone watch the game on rte? what clock was that tube George Hamilton looking at?
Quote from: Minder on April 30, 2008, 10:53:12 PM
I wont lie, i hope Chelsea beat United out the gate in Moscow. As for Liverpool, too many players not good enough. You cant rely on Torres every single time. Mascherano was brilliant, amazing energy levels and he is without doubt the best player in world football playing that position. Big Sami always has that sort of mistake bubbling under the surface, Skrtel was a big loss as he would have been well fit for Drogba i think. The two teams with the biggest squads and most resources are in the final, who would have thought......
The best two teams are in the final.
Deserved to lose first half, deserved to win the second half. In the end mistakes are punished at this level and they were tonight.
Thought the Hypia challenge was a peno for us, ref looked like he was giving it but didn't.
At the moment couldn;t give a toss about the final. Roll on Euro 2008.
Torres was obviously taken off with a hamstring injury that will keep him out of Euro's and give him good rest for next year. ;) Need two full backs, two wingers and a second striker of quaility. All who started on the wings and FB's can go. Keep them for cover maybe. Crouch I'm sure will leave, at his own request.
Finally, how plastic are Chelsea's fans. It was like a concert trying to get an atmorphere.
Destiny - Romans Moscow.
Quote from: tintin25 on April 30, 2008, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 30, 2008, 10:53:12 PM
I wont lie, i hope Chelsea beat United out the gate in Moscow. As for Liverpool, too many players not good enough. You cant rely on Torres every single time. Mascherano was brilliant, amazing energy levels and he is without doubt the best player in world football playing that position. Big Sami always has that sort of mistake bubbling under the surface, Skrtel was a big loss as he would have been well fit for Drogba i think. The two teams with the biggest squads and most resources are in the final, who would have thought......
The best two teams are in the final.
What semi finals where you watching? Barca played utd off the park in both legs, just never had that finishing touch.
Torres & Masch the only two who have performed consistently well this season. Gerard did very little again tonite and hasnt had a great season. Alonso seems to have lost the ability to control the tempo of a game. High hopes have faded.
We are a long way off at the minute, and reckon only 2 possibly 3 of the side would get into either Chelsea, Arsenal or Utds side at the minute, and thats worrying!!
Am i just being a critical git or did anyone else think Reina should have done better on that first goal??
Quote from: Yes I Would on April 30, 2008, 11:05:23 PM
Torres & Masch the only two who have performed consistently well this season. Gerard did very little again tonite and hasnt had a great season. Alonso seems to have lost the ability to control the tempo of a game. High hopes have faded.
We are a long way off at the minute, and reckon only 2 possibly 3 of the side would get into either Chelsea, Arsenal or Utds side at the minute, and thats worrying!!
Am i just being a critical git or did anyone else think Reina should have done better on that first goal??
Not really, he hit it low and hard and Reina was getting back into position. I did howver think Ginger made a girls attempt to get across and put a decent block on it. Carra would have thrown himself full into it.
Reina always seems to be beaten at his near post, but to be fair the power on the shot for Chelsea's first goal was something else.
In the end it was the OG that has cost us dearly. Poor first half, better the second but on the night it just wasn't enough. Definate penalty for Chelsea, Liverpool should have had one too & made it even more frustrating when the ref put the whistle into his mouth as if to blow...but didn't. Full backs were poor, Carragher & masch were best for Liverpool.
As for RTE, jesus they talk some nonsense. Chelsea's disallowed goal - how long did it take them to tell us the flag was raised!! was annoying. Our bar had both sky sports coverage on one tv & rte on the other. Beginning of second half, looked up at sky sports coverage & players were all lined up waiting for the whistle to blow, then this long long delay. Looked up & RTE were still at the ads! It was as if the whole world was waiting on RTE to get back to the live coverage before the whistle could go! Was funny at the time.
Anyway, back to the drawing board....(again).
Have a flight to Liverpool for sale thats now not needed on 21st May!!
Completely gutted. I was convinced we'd take them on pens after Torres equaliser. That's the soccer over for another year as far as Im concerned. No real interest from here on and theres no way I'll be watching the final.
QuoteMascherano was brilliant, amazing energy levels and he is without doubt the best player in world football playing that position.
I'd agree with that - I think he's been very, very good recently; the new Makalele.
As a neutral, I enjoyed the game from the second-half onward - first-half was wretched. The best team probably won, but it rested (again) on penalty decisions given and not given. I suppose Liverpool's jamminess had to end sometime. ;)
QuoteI was convinced we'd take them on pens after Torres equaliser.
Typical Liverpool attitude - not try winning a game for once that is not based on a format of luck (FA Cup Final V W'Ham, Champ League Final, Chelsea CL Semi last year).
QuoteWhat semi finals where you watching? Barca played utd off the park in both legs, just never had that finishing touch.
Goals win matches - United have been too often caught in Europe due to their swash-buckling all out attack approach, and this year have added a new found maturity to their game and used their defensive strenth to win - Barcelona pranced about with the ball and had loads of possession, but how often did they threaten Uniteds goal? Sour grapes!
QuoteI wont lie, i hope Chelsea beat United out the gate in Moscow. As for Liverpool, too many players not good enough. You cant rely on Torres every single time. Mascherano was brilliant, amazing energy levels and he is without doubt the best player in world football playing that position. Big Sami always has that sort of mistake bubbling under the surface, Skrtel was a big loss as he would have been well fit for Drogba i think. The two teams with the biggest squads and most resources are in the final, who would have thought......
Hargreaves when playing there is as good as if not better than Mascherano, but H'greaves is showing his versatility at right back. The two teams with the biggest squads and most resources are in the final? - sure lets punish United for becoming successful on the pitch and subsequently off it which has led to the club becoming wealthier and more successful. Chelseas story is obviously different. But as for squad size Uniteds and Liverpools is both of similar size - you are hardly complaining about having a small squad whenever L'pool can rest their stronger 11 for half the season as the league title race is effectively over for them by Xmas, while United have numerous players who have played in 90/95% of their matches!
No complaints really. I was very annoyed at half time with the attitude and lack of composure and/or urgency. Gerrard didn't try a leg in the first half, although he improved slightly in the second half. Carra and Skrtel/Hypia were grand, apart from Sami's mistake with his first touch which led to his lunge on Ballack. I thought Riise was poor, didn't use the ball when he had it, and was at least marginally at fault for both Drogba's goals.
Mashcerano was great, Alonso was poor. Gerrard I've spoken about. Benayoun did one thing in the whole game, and I'm sure that's what he was supposed to do, go at them. Instead he wasn't a winger, or wasn't a midfielder, he looked all at sea. Kuyt was Kuyt. Worked hard, but every time he got the ball he treated it like he hated it. Torres was isolated a lot of the time, but proved his class with the only real chance he got.
No complaints about the penalty, and taking Ballack's free kick, Drogba's miss and Essien's 'goal', all in all, I think the better team last night won, but at least Liverpool stirred themselves and gave them a good game. Chelsea were due one it seems, and they deserved it.
I won't be shouting for either team in Moscow, but I will be watching, and hoping it's a good game.
So that's that. When are Offaly playing Laois in the hurling?? :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 01, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
No complaints really. I was very annoyed at half time with the attitude and lack of composure and/or urgency. Gerrard didn't try a leg in the first half, although he improved slightly in the second half. Carra and Skrtel/Hypia were grand, apart from Sami's mistake with his first touch which led to his lunge on Ballack. I thought Riise was poor, didn't use the ball when he had it, and was at least marginally at fault for both Drogba's goals.
Mashcerano was great, Alonso was poor. Gerrard I've spoken about. Benayoun did one thing in the whole game, and I'm sure that's what he was supposed to do, go at them. Instead he wasn't a winger, or wasn't a midfielder, he looked all at sea. Kuyt was Kuyt. Worked hard, but every time he got the ball he treated it like he hated it. Torres was isolated a lot of the time, but proved his class with the only real chance he got.
No complaints about the penalty, and taking Ballack's free kick, Drogba's miss and Essien's 'goal', all in all, I think the better team last night won, but at least Liverpool stirred themselves and gave them a good game. Chelsea were due one it seems, and they deserved it.
I won't be shouting for either team in Moscow, but I will be watching, and hoping it's a good game.
So that's that. When are Offaly playing Laois in the hurling?? :D
When has this not been the case? Waste of space, subtlety is not his middle name.
In fairness to him, he always used to chip in with a goal or a decent cross every now and then. It seems as if he's really struggling with that aspect of his game. He may well have played himself into a transfer last night, after the way the season has gone for him.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 01, 2008, 09:16:55 AM
QuoteI was convinced we'd take them on pens after Torres equaliser.
Typical Liverpool attitude - not try winning a game for once that is not based on a format of luck (FA Cup Final V W'Ham, Champ League Final, Chelsea CL Semi last year).
QuoteWhat semi finals where you watching? Barca played utd off the park in both legs, just never had that finishing touch.
Goals win matches - United have been too often caught in Europe due to their swash-buckling all out attack approach, and this year have added a new found maturity to their game and used their defensive strenth to win - Barcelona pranced about with the ball and had loads of possession, but how often did they threaten Uniteds goal? Sour grapes!
QuoteI wont lie, i hope Chelsea beat United out the gate in Moscow. As for Liverpool, too many players not good enough. You cant rely on Torres every single time. Mascherano was brilliant, amazing energy levels and he is without doubt the best player in world football playing that position. Big Sami always has that sort of mistake bubbling under the surface, Skrtel was a big loss as he would have been well fit for Drogba i think. The two teams with the biggest squads and most resources are in the final, who would have thought......
Hargreaves when playing there is as good as if not better than Mascherano, but H'greaves is showing his versatility at right back. The two teams with the biggest squads and most resources are in the final? - sure lets punish United for becoming successful on the pitch and subsequently off it which has led to the club becoming wealthier and more successful. Chelseas story is obviously different. But as for squad size Uniteds and Liverpools is both of similar size - you are hardly complaining about having a small squad whenever L'pool can rest their stronger 11 for half the season as the league title race is effectively over for them by Xmas, while United have numerous players who have played in 90/95% of their matches!
Agreed
QuoteHargreaves when playing there is as good as if not better than Mascherano, but H'greaves is showing his versatility at right back.
Hargreaves is a decent, honest player, and is all heart - Mascherano's talent is much. much greater, though he's not dependable and far more likely to throw a complete wobbler.
He'd hardly be curling many free kicks into the top corner either.
No complaints. Maybe we could have had a pen of our own in extra time but I think we decided after the full time whistle that it was peno time. Chelsea didn't. Actually I think after we scored the equaliser we should have pushed even harder for the winner. Chelsea were on the ropes for about 10 mins after Torres goal but we just weren't ruthless enough.
If I were crouch I'd be looking for a new club. That game was calling out for him (especially when Torres went off). I know Babel scored but Cech shuda saved that one.
QuoteHe'd hardly be curling many free kicks into the top corner either.
I wasn't talking about free-taking Seanie, but that's indisputably in Hargreaves favour - but Hargreaves is no Makalele/Deschamps/Dunga.
QuoteMascherano was brilliant, amazing energy levels and he is without doubt the best player in world football playing that position.
Ha! Now he played well last night but yet again he gave away the ball cheaply. He's not even the best in the Premiership, give me Flamini or Anderson any day of the weekl.
Anyway cheer up lads just three months to go and you can start the delusion all over again.
True Dinny, but ye've got a two week head start on us :D
disappointed with that last night but better team won, no doubt. I thought once Torres got the equaliser that we'd come through but fair play to chelsea and in particular Lampard & drogba. Liverpool dominated for about 10mins after the equaliser but after that there was only one team looking to win it.
I really feel that our luck finally ran out. We got the decisions and the breaks in the arsenal tie but not this time around. Injuries to aurelio & Skrtel effectively sealed our fate - Riise's moment in the 1st leg & ball watching in 2nd leg, Hyypia has never played well on drogba and again last night. Thats the difference between the likes of Utd & Liverpool, they lose vidic & rooney and have the strength in reserve, not so for Liverpool. And this time around the opposition got the breaks - they got the penalty, 1 maybe 2 offside decisions for the drogba goals. But thats just the way it goes sometimes and Liverpool certainly cant complain, they've had their fair share of the breaks in this competition in the past. And chelsea were absolutely full value for their win last night.
Also thought rafa tactically got it wrong last night. I said it before that we should play 4-4-2 against the top teams. We were absolutely attrocious in first half, couldnt string 1 pass together let alone 2 or 3. Torres needed support, he was always going to get smothered by a quality cb pairing like last night. And Makelele tied up gerrard all night. We all know what strengths kuyt has, he's like the duracell bunny. But when teams are pressing hard like chelsea were last night, he just doesnt have the skill to make himself any space. And for the first time, he looked like he had run out of gas. First sub should have been babel for kuyt. Then when torres got injured, it was crouch time & push babel upfront with gerrard & benny on wings. and if needed, pennant on for benny to deliver some crosses to crouch.
best of luck to both teams in the final, couldnt care less who wins it. But have a feeling that chelsea's name is on the cup this year.
As for Liverpool, the season has proved yet again that we are at least 3 players short of challenging for the top prizes. This summer has to be about getting rid of some deadwood and getting some quality replacements. Oh, and obviously sort out the ownership shite once and for all. we can then start the delusion all over again. ::) ::)
QuoteTrue Dinny, but ye've got a two week head start on us
Did you not know all us Gooners care about is the beautiful game and how it's played, throphies come second to that 8)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 01, 2008, 11:03:26 AM
QuoteTrue Dinny, but ye've got a two week head start on us
Did you not know all us Gooners care about is the beautiful game and how it's played, throphies come second to that 8)
That's lucky for ye then ;D
Pub question for a few years time:
Who was the Monaghan man who led Liverpool out in a Champions league semi-final st Standford Bridge? ;D
Quote from: bingobus on May 01, 2008, 11:13:52 AM
Pub question for a few years time:
Who was the Monaghan man who led Liverpool out in a Champions league semi-final st Standford Bridge? ;D
The mascot was from Carrick?
on the mascherano / hargreaves debate i think its a tie. both are brilliant at what they do. i don't think united can win the final without hargreaves in the DM postiion given both ballack and lampard will be breaking forward. i also happen to think that makelele is
still the best in the world.
For you scousers who think they need 3 more players to win the league.... realistically, who would you add.... spending no more than another £50m
Uladh, one of my first choices would be Bentley. Nearly 20 assists this season, probably around £12 million I would imagine, the other two im undecided on. Queresama would be great, but unrealistic. I still think Villa would be a good buy.
Full-backs? I have no idea to be honest.
Very little quality at out there at the right sort of dough, and im not convinced 3 players is even enough to make a serious challenge!!
Wingmen, Full back, Centre half, Keeper, all badly needed.
Ashley Young from Villa
Richard Dunne from City
2 from prem who could help improve squad.
Upon her release after 24 years of being locked away, Miss Fritzl's first question was " Are Liverpool still shit ? "
I'll get me coat.....
Quote from: The Gs Man on May 01, 2008, 12:26:02 PM
Upon her release after 24 years of being locked away, Miss Fritzl's first question was " Are Liverpool still shit ? "
I'll get me coat.....
That might work only for the fact that in 1984 Liverpool were league champions and won the European Cup.
Quote from: corn02 on May 01, 2008, 11:45:22 AM
Uladh, one of my first choices would be Bentley. Nearly 20 assists this season, probably around £12 million I would imagine, the other two im undecided on. Queresama would be great, but unrealistic. I still think Villa would be a good buy.
Full-backs? I have no idea to be honest.
Bentley would be a decent buy alright but as with most English players, you'd have to pay through the nose for him. Gareth Barry would be a good buy, Alonso is a shadow of his former self and I can see him leaving. Barry wouldnt cost much if Carson went in the other direction & we got a few quid for alonso. Villa is over priced & too similar to torres. But maybe David Silva from valencia. A good player, cheaper than villa and could also play on the left if needed. So there you go - Barry, Bentley & Silva would do for me.
As for full backs, Rafinha & Degen have been mentioned. Dont know much about either but presume they wouldnt cost much and just provide cover/competition for arbeloa & aurelio.
Quote from: Yes I Would on May 01, 2008, 12:04:39 PM
Very little quality at out there at the right sort of dough, and im not convinced 3 players is even enough to make a serious challenge!!
Wingmen, Full back, Centre half, Keeper, all badly needed.
Ashley Young from Villa
Richard Dunne from City
2 from prem who could help improve squad.
Dont think we need a centre half. One of our priorities should be to get Agger off the treatment table. A fully fit agger might have been enough to get us past chelsea last night.
come on lads. if you need to add 3 players the squad to win the title, they must be better than what you have. if i were a liverpool fan and you needed a full back, a creative midfielder and a striker then i'd look for richards, Miguel Veloso and huntelaar.
richards will be the england right back for the next ten years. his pace and power and the fact he's comfortable at centre back would make him a phenominal acquisition. veloso can play dm as rafa likes or can be very creative from cm ala scholes. huntelaar is an out and out centre forward. given that most top teams operate with one up front he offers something different and more physical in that role and if paired with torres they could form a deadly forward unit. just so happens those are the 3 i'd like to see united get in the summer...
Uladh, I reckon those three would cost more between them than we will be given to spend.
Right now I think we need two full-backs and two wide midfielders. The only full-back we have up to the required standard is Steve Finnan who's now 32 and increasingly picking up injuries. I think we're fine at centre-back. We'll have Agger back next season and Skrtel has settled in well. In fact you could argue that they could well be the first choice pairing at the centre of defence next season. Didn't help last night that we were left with our two slowest central defenders on the field when Skrtel went off injured.
Wide midfielders who knows? Seems like we've been looking for those for the past 10 years.
A partner for Torres would be nice but I suspect that Babel will play more games up front next season if we can get some wide midfielders in.
If Alonso goes then a replacement for him will have to be found although he said he has no plans to leave.
Those leaving will probably include Crouch, Kewell, Riise maybe Pennant.
Not sure how much cash we will have to spend though so hard to name targets. Especially expensive ones.
Absolute madness if he lets Crouchy go. If he had been given half the games Kuyt had i reckon he would have twice the goals.
Hypia and if truth be told Carra has lost that yard of pace. Cover is needed at the back big time and now is the time to be making a move for Dunne or Richards with City in a bit of turmoil.
Kuyt, Riise, Pennant, Kewell, Reina, should all be shown the door, if the club is serious in mounting a title challenge next season!
I'd keep Reina.
Quote from: Yes I Would on May 01, 2008, 03:18:58 PM
Absolute madness if he lets Crouchy go. If he had been given half the games Kuyt had i reckon he would have twice the goals.
Hypia and if truth be told Carra has lost that yard of pace. Cover is needed at the back big time and now is the time to be making a move for Dunne or Richards with City in a bit of turmoil.
Kuyt, Riise, Pennant, Kewell, Reina, should all be shown the door, if the club is serious in mounting a title challenge next season!
Why would you get rid of Reina? The best keeper we've had in donkey's years. Joint amount of clean sheets in England this season. Beat Ray Clemence to 100 clean sheets for the club. Good keepers aren't easy to find.
Personally I wouldn't get rid of Crouch but I think it's fairly obvious that he's not in Rafa's plans. Plus we'd probably get decent cash for him. Kuyt I would hang onto as he's a decent squad player I think.
Kuyt and Reina, you on the wind-up YesIWould?
I hope Rafael van der Vaart comes to Liverpool. absolute quality.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 01, 2008, 03:01:17 PM
Right now I think we need two full-backs and two wide midfielders. The only full-back we have up to the required standard is Steve Finnan who's now 32 and increasingly picking up injuries. I think we're fine at centre-back. We'll have Agger back next season and Skrtel has settled in well. In fact you could argue that they could well be the first choice pairing at the centre of defence next season. Didn't help last night that we were left with our two slowest central defenders on the field when Skrtel went off injured.
Wide midfielders who knows? Seems like we've been looking for those for the past 10 years.
A partner for Torres would be nice but I suspect that Babel will play more games up front next season if we can get some wide midfielders in.
If Alonso goes then a replacement for him will have to be found although he said he has no plans to leave.
Those leaving will probably include Crouch, Kewell, Riise maybe Pennant.
Not sure how much cash we will have to spend though so hard to name targets. Especially expensive ones.
Whether he goes or not, a central midfielder is required to take Alonso's place. He's just too slow for the midfield and games constantly pass him by. Lucas will be good but at the moment he's too lightweight, but definitely one for the future.
And I certainly wouldnt go mad spending money on full backs or centre backs. Our defence is ok - only utd & chelsea have conceded fewer goals, joint highest number of clean sheets. Get Agger back on the pitch and we'll be fine. Ok, it'd be really nice to have full backs like evra, cole, clichy etc., but that aint going to happen too quickly.
We have to concentrate on our main problem - far too many draws this year. We need some quality midfielders & another striker, thats why i mentioned Barry, Bentley, Silva. 3 decent players who wouldnt break the bank especially if we got rid of some deadwood and get a nice few bob for carson & crouch.
Afraid not Corn, I am just not convinced by Reina!! Too unpredictable under high ball and crosses. Good shot stopper, but always feel that he is never far from a costly blunder.
Kuyt, runs his bollix off and cant fault his effort, but goal scoring threat is minimal. Lets be real, we are now measuing ourselves against Chelsea, Utd and Arsenal and i dont think either of these three would have him about the place. He was bought to score goals, and hasnt delivered. Do we perserve for another year with him and face another fruitless season next year?? I would hope not!
I wouldnt sell kuyt. dont forget he got goals v Inter, Arsenal & Chelsea. Also scored in the CL final last year. And he may have been bought as a striker and to score goals but he's been playing on the wing most times this season. But he's a player who should be used as backup, not a regular.
As for Reina, would never let him go.
I hope im proven wrong!!Just worry that we seem to be going backwards!!
Bottom line is trophies!!
while not being convinced about reina the person that liverpool most need to get rid of is benitez
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 01, 2008, 05:34:13 PM
while not being convinced about reina the person that liverpool most need to get rid of is benitez
Who do you suggest replacing him with?
Truth is he is trying to compete with Man U and Chelsea and we just don't have the financial muscle of those two clubs. Under the circumstances he's done remarkably well.
We have only ever bought one €20+ player and that was last Summer. Man U and Chelsea have a number of them and there's the difference.
YesIWould (!!!!) If you think Liverpool should get rid of Reina then youre a clown. (!!!) You could count the number of blunders he has made since joining us on one hand. (!!!!) Compares favourably with his supposed peers in Cech, VDS et al. (!!!!)
Lynchbhoy that statement about Benitez is ludicrous. From that I would surmise that your knowledge of English soccer is comparable to your 'knowledge' of Derry football. Theres no questioning his record.
As for Kuyt, say what you want about the guy, but theres no denying he is a big game player. Admittedly he is lacking a bit offensively, but he more than makes up for this with his endeavour. He is crucial to the system Rafa favours. Without him, the side would be very much weaker, and i sincerely doubt we would have progressed as far as we did in the CL without him in the side.
Would agree with a lot of what was said about the squad for next year. Keeper is fine, centre backs are covered, middle of the pitch looking better than it wasa few months back, Alonso is a mjor question mark, and Torres up front. Still leaves a lot of positions to cover though. Priority would probably be wings, yet again, it would make you despair. Babel, despite some reservations, it well worth persisting with. Given that your talking about at least 1, if not 2, wingers. My preference would be Bentley, I think he's hungry, has got the work rate, and is cocky enough to fit straight in. If we could get another I'd go for Martin Petrov from City. We are also well short at fullback. With Finnan on the outs, and Arbeloa no where near good enough, the right back slot is probably a priority, but I have no idea who they could get in. At left back I actually like Aurelio, but Riise's game is played out. Was never a good enough defender in my book, game as hell, but not technically good enough. That would leave the two major positions on the pitch we have no cover for - Stevie G and Torres. I'd like to see Rafa give Yossi a go in the free role at home against non-top 4/5 opposition, he could help rest Gerrard up, who I think is being asked to play too many games. I honestly don't see them bringing anyone in near the quality of Stevie or Nando, or even trying, this summer, and if either were to sustain a long term injury Liverpool would suffer an even more unsuccessful season. On that note, if Man City are genuine contenders for Ronaldinho, and I doubt they are, I don't see why Liverpool couldn't be, or is that just crazy talk?
Wouldn't go near Ronaldinho. Seems to have gone like Ronaldo/Adriano and by reports in Spain his off-field activities are a major problem. He couldn't be any further from the 'Benitez type' player anyway.
Just trying to think of a good creative player who is on the market for playing "in the hole".
Gerrard didn't seem to be Benitez' type either in many ways, although maybe that was all part of deflating his ego. Benitez has had creative and tempramental players in his sides previously, the likes of Aimar/Kily González/Claudio López for instance? I think primarily Benitez is a pragmatist and, unlike say Ramos, he has shown he will work with most players and is willing to give them a chance - for instance Bellamy. On the other hand if they fcuk up under his watch, he's not slow to rid himself of them either - for instance Bellamy.
As for Ronaldinho, these problems seems to be recent enough. Previously he was very much talking the talk about the team ethics etc. for both Barca and Brazil. With the problems in Calatunia this season it's hard to know whether his antics are a cause or a consequence.
Bayern Munich getting well tanked tonight, would Franck Ribery be a realistic target for that role?
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 01, 2008, 07:09:55 PM
Bayern Munich getting well tanked tonight, would Franck Ribery be a realistic target for that role?
He'd cost a fair whack anyway.
Not sure if we have that money to spend especially given all the shite going on in the board room.
Quote from: Yes I Would on May 01, 2008, 04:36:49 PM
Afraid not Corn, I am just not convinced by Reina!! Too unpredictable under high ball and crosses. Good shot stopper, but always feel that he is never far from a costly blunder.
Yet they rarely happen.
I cannot see why anyone thinks Reina is an issue for Liverpool. What other top keepers are out there that would be much better? There isn't a keeper on the planet who doesn't make a mistake every now and again. Even the mighty Cech has made on or two this season, not least Babel's shot last night, which could have proved hugely costly. Reina is by far the best keeper Liverpool have had since Grobbelaar quit. Goalkeeper is very, very low in the list of problems Liverpool need to solve.
My uncertainty with him stems from his performances against Man U in recent years. Jaskilinin from Bolton has always impressed me as a very consistent keeper in a poor side. I admit i may have been a bit hasty with handing him his p45, just pissed off with the way this season has gone yet again, and cant see much light at toffhe end of the tunnell. Worry would be that with another poor season Torres may decide to take himself away and then we really are fucked!
Kuyt, i have not been convinced is worth the 10 million quid or whatever was forked out for him, and Rafas persistance with him i cant understand.
Quote from: bingobus on April 30, 2008, 10:59:42 PM
Deserved to lose first half, deserved to win the second half. In the end mistakes are punished at this level and they were tonight.
Thought the Hypia challenge was a peno for us, ref looked like he was giving it but didn't.
At the moment couldn;t give a toss about the final. Roll on Euro 2008.
Torres was obviously taken off with a hamstring injury that will keep him out of Euro's and give him good rest for next year. ;) Need two full backs, two wingers and a second striker of quaility. All who started on the wings and FB's can go. Keep them for cover maybe. Crouch I'm sure will leave, at his own request.
Finally, how plastic are Chelsea's fans. It was like a concert trying to get an atmorphere.
Destiny - Romans Moscow.
What? I was at the Bridge last night, and everyone was in agreement that it was the greatest atmosphere the place has ever seen!
I see the seasonal circle of this thread has gone full tilt too. Optimism in August, to who's in/who's out in April!
Norf I hope the irony of the Chelsea fans singing to us last night 'your support is shit' wasnt lost on you. 21000 flags handed out post kickoff last night to try to create an atmosphere, which came nowhere near the decibel levels of Anfield. Why do the club feel the need to hand out these flags? Is it because they know the fans arent passionate enough about the team to bring their own? A contrived, fabricated atmosphere was witnessed last night, and the harsh reality of it all was exposed when Torres equalised, you would have sworn the mute was pressed on the Chelsea 'fans'.
PS- if thats the greatest atmosphere the place has even seen, I despair for you.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 01, 2008, 11:58:13 PM
Quote from: bingobus on April 30, 2008, 10:59:42 PM
Deserved to lose first half, deserved to win the second half. In the end mistakes are punished at this level and they were tonight.
Thought the Hypia challenge was a peno for us, ref looked like he was giving it but didn't.
At the moment couldn;t give a toss about the final. Roll on Euro 2008.
Torres was obviously taken off with a hamstring injury that will keep him out of Euro's and give him good rest for next year. ;) Need two full backs, two wingers and a second striker of quaility. All who started on the wings and FB's can go. Keep them for cover maybe. Crouch I'm sure will leave, at his own request.
Finally, how plastic are Chelsea's fans. It was like a concert trying to get an atmorphere.
Destiny - Romans Moscow.
What? I was at the Bridge last night, and everyone was in agreement that it was the greatest atmosphere the place has ever seen!
I see the seasonal circle of this thread has gone full tilt too. Optimism in August, to who's in/who's out in April!
What i meant was that the atmosphere seemed to very organised and forced. Plastic falgs, some singer on field waving a scarf as the teams came out, songs directed at Liverpool supporters - "Your support is f*cking shit", "Murderers", "In your merseyside slumps"....great team support there.
I'm sure the place was buzzing but if it takes songs played over the tannoy, free flags, and random singer on the pitch to get the place going on a CL semi then i'm struggling to see the attraction. Don't get me wrong, I could hear the noise at certain times but after Liverpool equalised the only Chelsea song I heard for about 15 mins was "Murderers"!!! WTF!
Anfield can be a quiet place on a league game but at least for the big games it normally pumping and the songs generally relate to the players, the club, the history, the manager...not the opposotion. Even at Man United game last year, I was beside the kop in the main stand and the Gary Neville song got sung about twice, and that was it against our biggest rivals.
Well done, by the way. Porb deserved it on the night and were due a bit of luck against us. Best of luck in final and may the best team win (cough...chelsea.cough) ;D
Quote from: Stalin on May 02, 2008, 03:27:39 AM
Norf I hope the irony of the Chelsea fans singing to us last night 'your support is shit' wasnt lost on you. 21000 flags handed out post kickoff last night to try to create an atmosphere, which came nowhere near the decibel levels of Anfield. Why do the club feel the need to hand out these flags? Is it because they know the fans arent passionate enough about the team to bring their own? A contrived, fabricated atmosphere was witnessed last night, and the harsh reality of it all was exposed when Torres equalised, you would have sworn the mute was pressed on the Chelsea 'fans'.
PS- if thats the greatest atmosphere the place has even seen, I despair for you.
If atmosphere won premierships maybe Liverpool would have a few by now :D :D
Quote from: EC Unique on May 02, 2008, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: Stalin on May 02, 2008, 03:27:39 AM
Norf I hope the irony of the Chelsea fans singing to us last night 'your support is shit' wasnt lost on you. 21000 flags handed out post kickoff last night to try to create an atmosphere, which came nowhere near the decibel levels of Anfield. Why do the club feel the need to hand out these flags? Is it because they know the fans arent passionate enough about the team to bring their own? A contrived, fabricated atmosphere was witnessed last night, and the harsh reality of it all was exposed when Torres equalised, you would have sworn the mute was pressed on the Chelsea 'fans'.
PS- if thats the greatest atmosphere the place has even seen, I despair for you.
If atmosphere won premierships maybe Liverpool would have a few by now :D :D
How boring..yes the premiership started in 1993 with Sky. Before that nothing happened every saturday.
I suppose if United win the European Cup this month, then it will be a case of "We've won the Champions League twice, Liverpool have only won it once" ::)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 01, 2008, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 01, 2008, 05:34:13 PM
while not being convinced about reina the person that liverpool most need to get rid of is benitez
Who do you suggest replacing him with?
Truth is he is trying to compete with Man U and Chelsea and we just don't have the financial muscle of those two clubs. Under the circumstances he's done remarkably well.
We have only ever bought one €20+ player and that was last Summer. Man U and Chelsea have a number of them and there's the difference.
That I cant answer
He just doesnt seem to fit into the club or hasnt really been ruthless enough
he is only marginally better (arguably) than houllier (measuring him on his team selections and tactics /changes when things go wrong - not on cups etc).
Was thinking recently, even if Liverpool had a bigger warchest than man u , chelsea etc, houllier would not be able to properly integrate any big money players as he just doesnt seem to have a fixed plan of how he wants a team to play and for me , that is the bottom line.
He has had long enough to buy players to fit into any scheme he has planned but just cannot deliver.
Quote from: Stalin on May 01, 2008, 06:14:53 PM
Lynchbhoy that statement about Benitez is ludicrous. From that I would surmise that your knowledge of English soccer is comparable to your 'knowledge' of Derry football. Theres no questioning his record.
no questioning his record ?
I dont give a monkeys about his record elsewhere, and if you are a liverpool fan, the only record you shoul dbe looking at is his one from the time he arrived merseyside.
it is nothing to write home about.
Glossed over by CL and cup wins but there is nothing that I would compare with the great managers of Anfield when I used to support them as a boy from 1975 onwards - so if you are questioning me and my knowledge of liverpool, well it goes back quite a while. Long enough to compete with any of your own I would imagine.
However I dont wear rose coloured glasses when analysing benitez. He aint good enough imo.
Great in spain, but just has not delivered at anfield.
Or would you say he has ? :o
what about my knowledge of Derry football - whats your question there....if you cant back up your point, why attempt to sling mud?
doesnt look good for you !
Quote from: bingobus on May 02, 2008, 10:02:29 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 02, 2008, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: Stalin on May 02, 2008, 03:27:39 AM
Norf I hope the irony of the Chelsea fans singing to us last night 'your support is shit' wasnt lost on you. 21000 flags handed out post kickoff last night to try to create an atmosphere, which came nowhere near the decibel levels of Anfield. Why do the club feel the need to hand out these flags? Is it because they know the fans arent passionate enough about the team to bring their own? A contrived, fabricated atmosphere was witnessed last night, and the harsh reality of it all was exposed when Torres equalised, you would have sworn the mute was pressed on the Chelsea 'fans'.
PS- if thats the greatest atmosphere the place has even seen, I despair for you.
If atmosphere won premierships maybe Liverpool would have a few by now :D :D
How boring..yes the premiership started in 1993 with Sky. Before that nothing happened every saturday.
I suppose if United win the European Cup this month, then it will be a case of "We've won the Champions League twice, Liverpool have only won it once" ::)
I was paying complement to the Anfield atmosphere ;) But you go and get all defensive :'( Ah well, cheer up there is always next year... again :-*
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 01, 2008, 11:58:13 PM
I see the seasonal circle of this thread has gone full tilt too. Optimism in August, to who's in/who's out in April!
Norf, to be fair, most on here have said all through the season that we have alot of players who just arent up to the standard required to challenge for the PL. And the obvious time to discuss who should be replaced is when the season has finished, which happened to be last wednesday for Liverpool. I dont think there's anything wrong with that.
There's always going to be a bit of optimism in August just before the season starts but even the most die-hard Liverpool supporter would admit that there's no comparision between the current Liverpool squad and the squads at Man Utd & Chelsea.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 02, 2008, 10:02:34 AM
That I cant answer
He just doesnt seem to fit into the club or hasnt really been ruthless enough
he is only marginally better (arguably) than houllier (measuring him on his team selections and tactics /changes when things go wrong - not on cups etc).
Was thinking recently, even if Liverpool had a bigger warchest than man u , chelsea etc, houllier would not be able to properly integrate any big money players as he just doesnt seem to have a fixed plan of how he wants a team to play and for me , that is the bottom line.
He has had long enough to buy players to fit into any scheme he has planned but just cannot deliver.
lynchbhoy, I think you're being very unfair to Rafa. Look at the players at his disposal compared to Chelsea & Man U. Utd paid big bucks for the likes of Rio, Hagreaves, Nani, Anderson, Rooney, Carrick, Tevez, Saha. Only Torres & Mascherano come into that bracket in the Liverpool squad and I think you'll agree that both of those players have integrated quite well. Skrtel is another acquisition who looks like he'll have a bright future.
Certainly Rafa isnt perfect and sometimes his tactics seem strange to put it mildly, but I wouldnt be showing him the gate just yet. Imagine if Utd got rid of Ferguson after 4 seasons!!! I think Rafa has 2 years left on his contract so give him the funds and lets see what he can do. If we're still not close to challenging the top teams at that stage then certainly you'd have to question if he's the right man for the job.
Ha ha I love this constant argument about Rafa etc getting the same time in the job as Fergie - I don't remember Fergir spending what Rafa did in his first 4 years in retrospect.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2008, 01:58:03 PM
Ha ha I love this constant argument about Rafa etc getting the same time in the job as Fergie - I don't remember Fergir spending what Rafa did in his first 4 years in retrospect.
Thats no counter argument, different times with far more money in the game. Fergie always had money and was always leading the way with buying players at the time - Ince, Keane, Pallister, Hughes, etc where all big buys at the time and prob record buys back then. So don't start giving it Rafa spent Zillions and Fergie didn't.
Ferguson has spent more in his local off license than some managers have spent on players in the Premiership......
Well done Nicro, the game was alot different back then.
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 02, 2008, 01:48:46 PM
lynchbhoy, I think you're being very unfair to Rafa. Look at the players at his disposal compared to Chelsea & Man U. Utd paid big bucks for the likes of Rio, Hagreaves, Nani, Anderson, Rooney, Carrick, Tevez, Saha. Only Torres & Mascherano come into that bracket in the Liverpool squad and I think you'll agree that both of those players have integrated quite well. Skrtel is another acquisition who looks like he'll have a bright future.
Certainly Rafa isnt perfect and sometimes his tactics seem strange to put it mildly, but I wouldnt be showing him the gate just yet. Imagine if Utd got rid of Ferguson after 4 seasons!!! I think Rafa has 2 years left on his contract so give him the funds and lets see what he can do. If we're still not close to challenging the top teams at that stage then certainly you'd have to question if he's the right man for the job.
Thats a valid argument
but if not benitez , who then is responsible for the decision to purchase players, to pick systems within which they all play and fit etc.
imo gerrard has not been as dominant or as brilliant as he can be or was prior to benitez joining - and if liverpools best player is not scaling the heights he can so easily and consistently do because of being played out of position or having an imbalance in the team selection or tactics
then imo there is only one place to look and one man to blame.
Yes it is a team game, but imo gerrard is sympomatic of the rest of liverpools players and the malady in the side.
Based on what I have seen, I just dont think benitez has it.
What the actual answer is, well I would have said capello, but its too late now.
How about rijkard?
QuoteLiverpool make formal Barry bid
Eurosport - Fri, 02 May 14:12:00 2008
Liverpool have made a bid to sign Aston Villa captain Gareth Barry in a cash plus player exchange deal.
The Reds formally contacted Villa on Thursday with their bid for the England midfielder.
There has been speculation for the past fortnight that 27-year-old Barry has emerged as one of Rafael Benitez's major summer transfer tasrgets.
Benitez wants Barry to form a partnership with his England colleague and close friend Steven Gerrard.
Barry, who celebrates the 10th anniversary of his Villa debut next week, has made no secret of his desire to play Champions League football.
He is on more than £40,000 a week at Villa and could come close to doubling that if he moved to Anfield or Chelsea who have also been linked with the player.
The former Brighton trainee has already expressed a desire to hold talks with Villa manager Martin O'Neill to assess what his transfer plans are for the 2008-2009 campaign.
Villa are challenging strongly for a UEFA Cup spot but Barry wants to see whether Villa are in a position to move to the next level.
O'Neill pulled off a masterstroke in persuading Barry to sign a new four-year deal when he took charge of Villa in the summer of 2006.
But he may find it harder to persuade Barry to sign a new contract and to convince him to stay with the midlands club.
As predicted, money plus probably Carson. Would it be wothwhile, I wonder throwing Riise in as well and doing a straight swap?
Barry is a good player but where are they planning on playing him? We already have plenty of central midfielders unless Alonso is going to be sold this Summer?
Granted Barry can play centre midfield, left midfield and left-back.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 02, 2008, 02:38:42 PM
Thats a valid argument
but if not benitez , who then is responsible for the decision to purchase players, to pick systems within which they all play and fit etc.
imo gerrard has not been as dominant or as brilliant as he can be or was prior to benitez joining - and if liverpools best player is not scaling the heights he can so easily and consistently do because of being played out of position or having an imbalance in the team selection or tactics
then imo there is only one place to look and one man to blame.
Yes it is a team game, but imo gerrard is sympomatic of the rest of liverpools players and the malady in the side.
Based on what I have seen, I just dont think benitez has it.
What the actual answer is, well I would have said capello, but its too late now.
How about rijkard?
Benitez has made plenty of mistakes in the transfer market but what manager hasnt - Fergie has bought some duds in his day (Veron, Forlan, Djemba Djemba, Barthez, kleberson), Mourinho bought flops like shevchenko, kezman, wright phillips, del horno, boulahrouz & even the genius wenger bought Reyes & Jeffers. It's not easy to get it right.
I think Gerrard has played well under Rafa, maybe not as brilliant as he once was but maybe he's getting more attention than previously (chelsea had makelele all over him like a rash on wednesday). I actually think finding a right position for gerrard is one of Rafa's biggest problems. IMO he should be played off torres for majority of games but against the top 3 teams, he should be played on right wing with (hopefully) 2 quality strikers up front.
By the way, if we're trying to blame someone, look no further than Rick Parry who's been a complete disaster as a CEO. The club seem to have completely stood still under his watch.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 02, 2008, 03:34:03 PM
Barry is a good player but where are they planning on playing him? We already have plenty of central midfielders unless Alonso is going to be sold this Summer?
Granted Barry can play centre midfield, left midfield and left-back.
But we dont have plenty of "Good" central midfielders. Mascherano is a defensive midfileder and alonso just cant do it anymore. Lucas will be good in time. I think it's a very good piece of business if it goes through. He's a good player and has proven it in the PL already.
I don't think changing manager is the answer yet. Rafa has had 4 years and has been relatively successfully in the cups, the league hasn't seen the title charge we have hoped or expected, particularly in the current year. I would put part of this down to him, not understanding the EPL as well he knows the European game but it has been a learning curve and he has 2 years to get there in my opinion. He has tried to play the squad game but does not have the players to do so.
Why 2 years? Well, that would have given him 6 years. Time to put his own team in place and get used to the EPL. Maybe at that stage he could be beat by goal difference on the last day and should be sacked then. Unlikely, its a moving target really. But if by each Febraury we are out of the title race, then yes ot may be time for a change. Plus he has recruited a massive amount of younf talent to the club that are currently in reserves, youth teams and on loan. They should be given team to come through, at most we should expect maybe 2 next year and maybe 2/3 per year thereafter.
We need another 4/5 first team players who should be starting the majority of games.
GK - Reina No.1, no need for change. Needs an undertudy. Intandje nowhere near first team standard. Martin and Austrian in reserves are also too young. Carson will hardly sit on bench. Harper from Newcastle has been mentioned as replacement and would do the job.
RB - Don't think Finnan or Arbeloa are good enough to be regular. Adequate squad members with Arbeloa's versatility prob given him the nob. Alves has been mentioned and would be ideal, good going forward and can deliver a good ball. Will be costly though. Degan for Dortmund has been talked off on a free. Can't say I know much of him. Coming through the ranks is Stephen Darby, who is very solid. Captain of Reserves - good on ball, cool at the back. Good prospect and a year out on loan next year would be good for him. Could make it.
LB - Riise can go. End off. Insua is a real prospect and imho is good enough to make the step up. Hope he starts next two games. With Aurelio to stay as cover and Arbeloa as back up, no buys here.
CB - Don't need two much here. Skrtel, Carra and Agger (when fit) are a good trio with bug Sammi as cover next year. Prob could buy next summer. Hobbs, Antwin and Roque have spent part of year on loan but don't think they'll be ready. Antwin got good reports but another year on loan at a higher level would prob do more to tell the tale. The young guns aren't too bad and would be hopeful that San Jose, Huth or Ayala could make it. San Jose looks the best bet, good on ball and can read the game.
Left Wing - Babbel only one I would keep. Kewell can go. Would see Babbel as more central in longer term. Hopefully he has adapted more after a season but you never see lasting a full game. Replacements - Gareth Barry - would need a good left back in Evra, Clichy, Cole style behind him to provide width/pace. Barry and Babbel would probably do the job. Adam Hamill doen very well at Dunfermilne but hasn't been as effective at Southampton this year, only in patches. Not ready on that evidence. Another year on loan may make or break him. Leto won't make it, spain would be obvious place for him.
Centre Mid - Well stocked. Gerrard, Mash, Alonso, Lucas, Plessis for two positions. If Alonso leaves then Barry may fill his role. Lucas needs to get but stronger and quicker with the ball at feet. Perfer Gerard in this role. Plessis has the potential, was probably outshone in reserves by Jay Spearing - All action, Denis wise mould, good from dead ball. Year on loan would be good test for him. Cuthrie has done well at Bolton, good squad option in the Darren Fletcher mould if he'd be happy with it. Ryan Flynn doesn't have it, may well be released in summer.
Wide Right - I would prefer Pennant in this role with Kuyt back up front. Benayoun isn;t good enough, drifts away from wing too often. He's a poormans Garcia with the big game goals!! Paul Anderson has done well at Swansea who pay be looking to buy him. May be worth a year as a squad player to see if he can make it. I'd be happy to see Pennat/Benayoun leave if a quality RM was bought in - Bentley, Mancini (Roma) could fit bill.
Up Front - Torres can stay!!! Crouch and Vornin can go. I like Crouch but he's not to feature for Rafa, so cash in. Kuyt is a good squad player but wouldn;t be a first choice striker. Would love to see Villa, Berbatov or top quality striker come in. Rafe will prob look for someone to play the current Stevie role between midfeild and Torres - Aimar, Saviola. Nemeth looks good with the reserves, good finisher, gets others involved, pacy. El Zhar, Lindfield, Brouwer won't cut it. Simon is a big lad and good come through. Pacheco looks like a real player and could fill the role with Torres in a year or two.
In - Harper, Alves, Barry, Bentley, Aimar, Villa.
Out - Intadje, Riise, Finnan, Benayoun, Pennat, Crouch, Voronin, few younsters.
Thats probably too much to read for many but it will do me for the whole summer and will keep Norf happy regarding the season end merry go round.
QuoteI think Gerrard has played well under Rafa, maybe not as brilliant as he once was but maybe he's getting more attention than previously (chelsea had makelele all over him like a rash on wednesday). I actually think finding a right position for gerrard is one of Rafa's biggest problems
Gerrard has scored 22 goals this season. 23 two seasons ago also under Rafa. All Gerrard's best season's have been under Benitez.
Agree with most of what you're saying there bingo, although I'd hang on to Crouchy, he must be the most underappreciated footballer going. I know Benitez doesnt see him as part of his main strategy but he annoys defences somethin awful and his goal record is pretty good for all the time he gets playing.Dissappointed he didn't get on against Chelsea.
As for transfers, seeing names like Degen crock up just sickens my hole. We've been doing this for ten odd years now, tapping into unknown players (i know he's on a free) and hoping that they turn out useful. Alright, you might unearth an odd jem (Hyypia for example) but for one Hyypia you've got a long list of Diomedes, Josemis and Le Tallecs who, lets call a spade a spade, were all pish. When oh when are we gonna be looking for the top players? It just feels like I'm gonna be sitting here in 12 months time asking the same questions because it happens every season.
Feck me, Bernard Diomede, how the hell did we miss him during our list of worse ever Liverpool players :o :o Add to the fact that he has a world cup medal as well. He was some waste.
Spot on re Degen. Not that spending big cash is a guarantee as well. Glad we missed Malouda.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 02, 2008, 03:45:32 PM
QuoteI think Gerrard has played well under Rafa, maybe not as brilliant as he once was but maybe he's getting more attention than previously (chelsea had makelele all over him like a rash on wednesday). I actually think finding a right position for gerrard is one of Rafa's biggest problems
Gerrard has scored 22 goals this season. 23 two seasons ago also under Rafa. All Gerrard's best season's have been under Benitez.
imo he isnt, irrespective on the amount of goals scored
playing out of position way too often and not as effective as he could be.
imo
Quote from: bingobus on May 02, 2008, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 01, 2008, 11:58:13 PM
Quote from: bingobus on April 30, 2008, 10:59:42 PM
Deserved to lose first half, deserved to win the second half. In the end mistakes are punished at this level and they were tonight.
Thought the Hypia challenge was a peno for us, ref looked like he was giving it but didn't.
At the moment couldn;t give a toss about the final. Roll on Euro 2008.
Torres was obviously taken off with a hamstring injury that will keep him out of Euro's and give him good rest for next year. ;) Need two full backs, two wingers and a second striker of quaility. All who started on the wings and FB's can go. Keep them for cover maybe. Crouch I'm sure will leave, at his own request.
Finally, how plastic are Chelsea's fans. It was like a concert trying to get an atmorphere.
Destiny - Romans Moscow.
What? I was at the Bridge last night, and everyone was in agreement that it was the greatest atmosphere the place has ever seen!
I see the seasonal circle of this thread has gone full tilt too. Optimism in August, to who's in/who's out in April!
What i meant was that the atmosphere seemed to very organised and forced. Plastic falgs, some singer on field waving a scarf as the teams came out, songs directed at Liverpool supporters - "Your support is f*cking shit", "Murderers", "In your merseyside slumps"....great team support there.
I'm sure the place was buzzing but if it takes songs played over the tannoy, free flags, and random singer on the pitch to get the place going on a CL semi then i'm struggling to see the attraction. Don't get me wrong, I could hear the noise at certain times but after Liverpool equalised the only Chelsea song I heard for about 15 mins was "Murderers"!!! WTF!
Anfield can be a quiet place on a league game but at least for the big games it normally pumping and the songs generally relate to the players, the club, the history, the manager...not the opposotion. Even at Man United game last year, I was beside the kop in the main stand and the Gary Neville song got sung about twice, and that was it against our biggest rivals.
Well done, by the way. Porb deserved it on the night and were due a bit of luck against us. Best of luck in final and may the best team win (cough...chelsea.cough) ;D
The flags are a poxy idea. It's a wee bit of the result of how detached supporters are from the people running the club, indeed all clubs. The tourists love the flags, but the 'real' fans just bin them.
As regards the nature of the songs...so what! So some of the songs aren't PC, but geez boys this is football! The problem with the game is that it has become too sanitised. The same issue exists where fans gave an opposing player grief all day, but he gives some back and you have whinging feckers complaining about 'inciting a riot'! Liverpool fans were not reticent about their anti-Chelsea songs as well. Indeed I remember Chelsea fans commenting a few years back about being at Anfield and the stand alongside the away end (The dug out side), were all giving it the helicopter thing. It happened not long after Matthew Harding died. A bit sick...but it's hardly a Chelsea only thing!
The songs over the tannoy were at full time.. I thought they leant themselves to the atmosphere, and songs like BITC, and liquidator have been played at Chelsea for years, well early 70s anyhow. Again someone can correct me, but I don't think we are the only club to play songs over the tannoy pre and post game. Indeed IIRC on my only visit to Anfield (Phil Babb's collision with the post), I am nearly sure YNWA was played as the teams came out.
The mute button wasn't pressed too long after Torres scored. Certainly for a few minutes the crowd was gripped by fear, I know I was! Indeed I thought the support would stay nervously silent for a period, and that would get to the players. However 5 mins later, and the crowd were back behind Chelsea again!
Chelsea have a disease that exists at most clubs (Chelsea and United probably being most afflicted), and that's the tourist. However underneath this, there is a passionate, loyal support with the same emotions as any other club.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on May 02, 2008, 05:06:38 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 02, 2008, 03:45:32 PM
QuoteI think Gerrard has played well under Rafa, maybe not as brilliant as he once was but maybe he's getting more attention than previously (chelsea had makelele all over him like a rash on wednesday). I actually think finding a right position for gerrard is one of Rafa's biggest problems
Gerrard has scored 22 goals this season. 23 two seasons ago also under Rafa. All Gerrard's best season's have been under Benitez.
imo he isnt, irrespective on the amount of goals scored
playing out of position way too often and not as effective as he could be.
imo
What is his best position?
His best two seasons for Liverpool came one year when he played mainly on the right wing and this season when he's played behind the striker.
He's not really a conventional central midfielder.
Quote from: bingobus on May 02, 2008, 03:43:16 PM
In - Harper, Alves, Barry, Bentley, Aimar, Villa.
Out - Intadje, Riise, Finnan, Benayoun, Pennat, Crouch, Voronin, few younsters.
How much money do you think Liverpool have? That lot would cost upwards of £80million. In the real world Liverpool will be looking at picking up probably only 2, 3 max, big money targets this summer.
Crazy list of outs there. In this day you need a seriously strong squad and Benitez will keep almost all of those, getting rid of probably only those who insist on a move (probably Crouch & Kewell at this stage).
If Crouch, Riise, Carson, Voronin, Pennant, Alonso, Kewell, Itanje and Finnan are all to go, i would expect around 40 million in total for these players.
Assuming there is no more money available(unlikely) i would suggest signing (limiting my choice to the premiership):
Gareth Barry (£10 million)
Bentley (£10 million)
Santa Cruz (£9 million)
Bridge (£7 million)
Other possible striking targets from the Premiership:
Jones (sunderland)
Ashton (west ham)
Keane (spurs)
Martins (newcastle)
Zarate (Birmingham)
An experienced back up keeper should also be signed.
There are a number of young players in the reserves that deserve a run out in the next few games with a view to obtaining a place in the first team squad next season. Insua, Plessis and Nemeth all have the potential to be top top players.
Good post Norf, although I do think Stamford Bridge is very quiet. But liek most clubs it does have an amotive loyal suppoert. As you say Unied and Cheslsea have been affected by day trippers (Dont like that term because there are plenty who go over for the day that are as committed as a local lad). Liverpool are going the same way.
Cameras at the ready lads, Gerrards aking a corner.
Lads i may have missed it but has it been mentioned why Torres was taken off on Wed night? As for "day trippers" it is not essential for a fan to live within 15 miles of the stadium, some lads from Ireland that have lived in Liverpool/Manchester seem to think they become an all knowing authority on the team
Quote from: corn02 on May 02, 2008, 07:37:59 PM
Good post Norf, although I do think Stamford Bridge is very quiet. But liek most clubs it does have an amotive loyal suppoert. As you say Unied and Cheslsea have been affected by day trippers (Dont like that term because there are plenty who go over for the day that are as committed as a local lad). Liverpool are going the same way.
Cameras at the ready lads, Gerrards aking a corner.
Ha ha. Funny you say that. For the first time ever I was seated at the corner flag for a game on Weds night, and I was very aware of this. Thankfully there was no camera crew that I could see anyhow.
Quote from: Minder on May 02, 2008, 08:53:58 PM
Lads i may have missed it but has it been mentioned why Torres was taken off on Wed night? As for "day trippers" it is not essential for a fan to live within 15 miles of the stadium, some lads from Ireland that have lived in Liverpool/Manchester seem to think they become an all knowing authority on the team
Rafa peddled some line after the game about a tight hamstring, which i thought seemed a bit bizarre so late in the game!Even with a tight hammer, the man should have benn left to float around with Crouchy fired on up front!
Quote from: Minder on May 02, 2008, 08:53:58 PM
Lads i may have missed it but has it been mentioned why Torres was taken off on Wed night? As for "day trippers" it is not essential for a fan to live within 15 miles of the stadium, some lads from Ireland that have lived in Liverpool/Manchester seem to think they become an all knowing authority on the team
The Kid has a hamstring injury. I fear the next time we see him he will be in a Spain shirt.
Steve 08 & Bingo sum it up for me. Well said lads. All this about changing the manager does my head in.
One thing Lynchbhoy said about Rafa not fitting in with the club. I would say the opposite. I think Rafa fits in perfectly with the club. He respects it's culture, knows it's history and behaves as a Liverpool manager should.
Quote from: Yes I Would on May 02, 2008, 11:31:17 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 02, 2008, 08:53:58 PM
Lads i may have missed it but has it been mentioned why Torres was taken off on Wed night? As for "day trippers" it is not essential for a fan to live within 15 miles of the stadium, some lads from Ireland that have lived in Liverpool/Manchester seem to think they become an all knowing authority on the team
Rafa peddled some line after the game about a tight hamstring, which i thought seemed a bit bizarre so late in the game!Even with a tight hammer, the man should have benn left to float around with Crouchy fired on up front!
One problem. Babbel was the 3rd sub.
As for getting a tight hamstring so late in the game? 100 minutes of football on a heavy soaked pitch is always likely to cause a muscle injury. Remember Gerrard getting cramp after about 75 mins?
Instead of Babel. Crouch IMO should have been sent in. I felt that the kitchen sink should have been fired at Chelsea for those final 20 mins and with whole season resting on it a half fit Torres carrying a tight hammer would still be our most lethal striker!
I disagree with Babbel v Crouch. In an ideal world it would have been great to have the option to bring both on but if having to make a choice I'd go with Babbel. Simply because of his pace.
We are talking about the Semi Final of the European Cup. You need 11 players as fit as they can possibly be. How many other players were we carrying in extra time?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 02, 2008, 03:03:39 PM
QuoteLiverpool make formal Barry bid
Eurosport - Fri, 02 May 14:12:00 2008
Liverpool have made a bid to sign Aston Villa captain Gareth Barry in a cash plus player exchange deal.
The Reds formally contacted Villa on Thursday with their bid for the England midfielder.
There has been speculation for the past fortnight that 27-year-old Barry has emerged as one of Rafael Benitez's major summer transfer tasrgets.
Benitez wants Barry to form a partnership with his England colleague and close friend Steven Gerrard.
Barry, who celebrates the 10th anniversary of his Villa debut next week, has made no secret of his desire to play Champions League football.
He is on more than £40,000 a week at Villa and could come close to doubling that if he moved to Anfield or Chelsea who have also been linked with the player.
The former Brighton trainee has already expressed a desire to hold talks with Villa manager Martin O'Neill to assess what his transfer plans are for the 2008-2009 campaign.
Villa are challenging strongly for a UEFA Cup spot but Barry wants to see whether Villa are in a position to move to the next level.
O'Neill pulled off a masterstroke in persuading Barry to sign a new four-year deal when he took charge of Villa in the summer of 2006.
But he may find it harder to persuade Barry to sign a new contract and to convince him to stay with the midlands club.
As predicted, money plus probably Carson. Would it be wothwhile, I wonder throwing Riise in as well and doing a straight swap?
I know that Barry has had a good season, but is he the sort of player that is going to seriously improve Liverpool? He's been around a long time at this stage, and while a very good Premiership player, he hasn't really had the leading clubs sniffing around before and has never been a regular at international level. Maybe he will be a good buy, but I've seen too many Nicky Barmby's and Christian Ziege's and Fernando Morientes' come to Liverpool with even bigger reputations and not make the grade.
O'Neill is making it fairly clear that he's not interested in Liverpool's squad players and it's strongly rumoured that he doesn't want to keep carson/ looks like rafa will have to stump up cash for barry
what do you call a scouser in moscow wayne rooney ;D ;D ;D
Wharerefssobad, that is quite possibly the worst joke, and I use that term loosly, that I have heard yet. Be more inventive man!
Barry would be a good buy, ONeill would be interested in all three Pool players offered. Carson has become unreliable so I am not surprised he is not keen on him.
For the Babel v Crouch arguement, I probably would have rathered Crouch but Babel scored so we can't really qaustion.
A nice team for next year:
Reina
Carragher Agger Skertel Rafinha
Bentley Gerrard Mascherano Barry
Torres Aguero/ Hunntelear
regarding Barry, is £10m the value thats being put on him. How then can the deal be Crouch, Carson, Riise + Cash. Sure jaysus, Crouch alone cost us 7.5m and has gone on to play & score for England, & score frequently for Liverpool when given the chance. And he's only 27, same as Barry. If that is the deal on the table, I dont think O'Neill should be complaining much.
Quote from: corn02 on May 03, 2008, 12:44:59 PM
Wharerefssobad, that is quite possibly the worst joke, and I use that term loosly, that I have heard yet. Be more inventive man!
Barry would be a good buy, ONeill would be interested in all three Pool players offered. Carson has become unreliable so I am not surprised he is not keen on him.
For the Babel v Crouch arguement, I probably would have rathered Crouch but Babel scored so we can't really qaustion.
A nice team for next year:
Reina
Carragher Agger Skertel Rafinha
Bentley Gerrard Mascherano Barry
Torres Aguero/ Hunntelear
4-4-2 will not win the premiership. why would we change the gerrard torres partnership which has proven sucessful in the league with the exception of against man u?
my team would be
reina
carra skrtel agger insua
masch alonso
kuyt gerrard barry
torres
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: corn02 on May 03, 2008, 12:44:59 PM
Wharerefssobad, that is quite possibly the worst joke, and I use that term loosly, that I have heard yet. Be more inventive man!
Barry would be a good buy, ONeill would be interested in all three Pool players offered. Carson has become unreliable so I am not surprised he is not keen on him.
For the Babel v Crouch arguement, I probably would have rathered Crouch but Babel scored so we can't really qaustion.
A nice team for next year:
Reina
Carragher Agger Skertel Rafinha
Bentley Gerrard Mascherano Barry
Torres Aguero/ Hunntelear
4-4-2 will not win the premiership. why would we change the gerrard torres partnership which has proven sucessful in the league with the exception of against man u?
my team would be
reina
carra skrtel agger insua
masch alonso
kuyt gerrard barry
torres
So you think that if you add Barry to the team you will be able to challenge for the PL ???
As for sticking with Kuyt - have you no ambition at all? An average player - nothing else
Lads im not sure why everyone is getting a rooter for Barry, he is an average/good player and exactly the kind of player we have too many of at the minute. If he was Scottish you could buy him for £4mill.
It would appear that Maik Taylor will provide back up for Reina next season, good experienced choice for yous imo.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/reds-close-in-on-deals-for-barry-and-taylor-1367524.html
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 11:15:49 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: corn02 on May 03, 2008, 12:44:59 PM
Wharerefssobad, that is quite possibly the worst joke, and I use that term loosly, that I have heard yet. Be more inventive man!
Barry would be a good buy, ONeill would be interested in all three Pool players offered. Carson has become unreliable so I am not surprised he is not keen on him.
For the Babel v Crouch arguement, I probably would have rathered Crouch but Babel scored so we can't really qaustion.
A nice team for next year:
Reina
Carragher Agger Skertel Rafinha
Bentley Gerrard Mascherano Barry
Torres Aguero/ Hunntelear
4-4-2 will not win the premiership. why would we change the gerrard torres partnership which has proven sucessful in the league with the exception of against man u?
my team would be
reina
carra skrtel agger insua
masch alonso
kuyt gerrard barry
torres
So you think that if you add Barry to the team you will be able to challenge for the PL ???
As for sticking with Kuyt - have you no ambition at all? An average player - nothing else
How far where we off challenging this season really? the league says 11 points but had we put out a full strength team against brum it would no doubt be 9 and then we played a second side against arsenal also and only drew so realistically it is only 7. we have only lost 4 games this term but we drew THIRTEEN!!! By adding TWO new players to our team we will challenge i believe.( insua) didnt play except for last week and a sub against brum. dont forget we have only 30 million to spend this year, barry is a good player , english so he is gritty and will work like fcuk. as for kuyt , im a big fan of his, he had a rough start to the season when he lost his father and he wasnt scoring. I wouldnt disagree with bently but we also have babel who will have a seasons experience behind him.
Quote from: Minder on May 06, 2008, 11:18:52 AM
Lads im not sure why everyone is getting a rooter for Barry, he is an average/good player and exactly the kind of player we have too many of at the minute. If he was Scottish you could buy him for £4mill.
if he was scottish and still the captain of villa and turning in good performances every week how would his price differ?? dont understand this at all?
Was over at the game on sunday and was surprised no Crouch in the squad - I assume its a given he i gone.
I only hope we can replace him with better or Ill be annoyed. If that tube vorinin is retained as well itll be hard to understand.
Quote from: nifan on May 06, 2008, 11:36:39 AM
Was over at the game on sunday and was surprised no Crouch in the squad - I assume its a given he i gone.
I only hope we can replace him with better or Ill be annoyed. If that tube vorinin is retained as well itll be hard to understand.
I honestly dont see a place for him in the current system, the lad tried his best , all he can do is score goals. I think rafa will stick with 1 up front and its always gonna be torres. I would like to see a bit of youth brought in, we have babel and kuyt as back up strikers and also nemeth who has shown good signs in the reserves. No point spending a fortune on a top striker to leave him on the bench.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 11:31:56 AM
How far where we off challenging this season really? the league says 11 points but had we put out a full strength team against brum it would no doubt be 9 and then we played a second side against arsenal also and only drew so realistically it is only 7. we have only lost 4 games this term but we drew THIRTEEN!!! By adding TWO new players to our team we will challenge i believe.( insua) didnt play except for last week and a sub against brum. dont forget we have only 30 million to spend this year, barry is a good player , english so he is gritty and will work like fcuk. as for kuyt , im a big fan of his, he had a rough start to the season when he lost his father and he wasnt scoring. I wouldnt disagree with bently but we also have babel who will have a seasons experience behind him.
That is one of the funniest posts of the year. you couldn't make it up
QuoteHow far where we off challenging this season really? the league says 11 points but had we put out a full strength team against brum it would no doubt be 9 and then we played a second side against arsenal also and only drew so realistically it is only 7. we have only lost 4 games this term but we drew THIRTEEN!!! By adding TWO new players to our team we will challenge i believe.( insua) didnt play except for last week and a sub against brum. dont forget we have only 30 million to spend this year, barry is a good player , english so he is gritty and will work like fcuk. as for kuyt , im a big fan of his, he had a rough start to the season when he lost his father and he wasnt scoring. I wouldnt disagree with bently but we also have babel who will have a seasons experience behind him.
There's a fantastic bit of delusion, was start to losing faith in the Offical Delusional Thread but that has restored it..keep up the good work..
I'm kind of glass half full at this stage. I don't think the root and branch rebuilding that needed to be done is necessary at this stage, it's more squad depth and fine tuning that's needed. For that reason, please no more 'decent' players. We saw the difference a genuinely top player in Torres made, and Mascherano was important as well. Any players that come in MUST be better than what's currently there, and push the current incumbent either out the door, or onto the bench to give depth.
I'd be keen on a right winger, so that Kuyt becomes the squad player he should be, rather than automatic first choice, and Bentley would be a good buy. Gareth Barry would be a good buy instead of Alonso, and I wouldn't be surprised if Alonso leaves.
Whatever the ins and outs, I don't want any more 'squad' players. I'd prefer 2 or 3 immediate first team improvers, than 5 or 6 Pennants, Lucases or Voronins.
With all that said, I'd only like to see the bottom 3 or 4 leaving instead. Strengthen the first X1, drop current first teamers into the 'squad' and lose some of the dross. Bye bye Voronin, and probably Riise. bye Bye Fat Harry.
Then I'd be looking at (Keeping Rafa's 4-5-1)
Reina
Arbeloa/Carragher
Skrtel/Agger/Hypia/Carrager
Aurelio/Insua
Bentley/Kuyt/Pennant
Mascherano/Barry/Alonso/Gerrard/Plessis/Lucas
Babel/Benayoun/Bentley
Torres/Kuyt/Crouch.
Looking at that, I'd love a top class winger/wide player, Gareth Barry, and either a striker or a full back.
That would do me.
Lads just to let you know. Peter Crouch apparently will be in Donaghy's Shoe Fair to-day in Banbridge between 12 noon and 2pm. If you're interested
so dinny and uladh you both disagree with the thinkin that too many draws cost us the seaon? AZ I agree with you about depth its where we are lacking but with limited funds I would like to see 1 top class player and then more youth brought in.
I think there are ifs and buts in every team's season. deluding yourself that only liverpool were unlucky seems to be a fun passtime though
The team you picked stiff would win fcuk all
Quoteso dinny and uladh you both disagree with the thinkin that too many draws cost us the seaon?
Yes because it's all hypothtical, you can apply the same logic to any team, Liverpool imho lack quality all over the park, only Torres and at a push Gerrard would get into either Chelsea's or Man U's first XI because those the are the only two Liverpool players that I as neutral would rank as better than anything either of those two teams already have.
Liverpool are as far away from the winning the premiership as they ever have been.
I don't think he's saying they were unlucky. Maybe I'm reading it wrong. I think the point is that Liverpool drew too many games this season, which they did, and if they had better players and a better squad, those games would have been turned into wins, which would have pushed them closer.
I think that's fair enough, and luck doesn't come into it. It's just highlighting the fact that the squad needs to be improved, by adding quality players, rather than adding more 'squad' players at the same level as those already there.
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 11:57:19 AM
I think there are ifs and buts in every team's season. deluding yourself that only liverpool were unlucky seems to be a fun passtime though
no your way of my thinking. No way do I think we were UNLUCKY , far from it, just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title and the talk of a squad overhaul and bringin in 5 or 6 players is ludacrious. One or two top players at most away from mounting a challenge IMO.
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 11:59:26 AM
The team you picked stiff would win fcuk all
great reasoning
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 11:59:51 AM
Quoteso dinny and uladh you both disagree with the thinkin that too many draws cost us the seaon?
Yes because it's all hypothtical, you can apply the same logic to any team, Liverpool imho lack quality all over the park, only Torres and at a push Gerrard would get into either Chelsea's or Man U's first XI because those the are the only two Liverpool players that I as neutral would rank as better than anything either of those two teams already have.
Liverpool are as far away from the winning the premiership as they ever have been.
Dinny, I agree with a lot of what you say, but I think Reina, Carragher, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres as a spine, wouldn't look out of place in a Chelsea or Man united jersey in terms of quality. Where I think Liverpool fall down is that the likes of Kuyt, Alonso (on this year's form), Arbeloa, Babel etc would only be squad players for those teams, like Fletcher, O'Shea, Park, etc etc. So if Liverpool make 2 or 3 good signings, as in people better than those players, and push those guys down into being squad players rather than regulars, then they will be a lot closer.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 11:59:51 AM
Quoteso dinny and uladh you both disagree with the thinkin that too many draws cost us the seaon?
Yes because it's all hypothtical, you can apply the same logic to any team, Liverpool imho lack quality all over the park, only Torres and at a push Gerrard would get into either Chelsea's or Man U's first XI because those the are the only two Liverpool players that I as neutral would rank as better than anything either of those two teams already have.
Liverpool are as far away from the winning the premiership as they ever have been.
yeah gerrard at a push !! ha ha your funny! wat bout masch, skrtel, carra, agger and in a few years babel. oh yeah wat about our reina who for the THIRD consecutive season will win the golden glove?
Spurs and blackburn have drawn the same number of games as liverpool. fulham and middlesboro one less. Can they push fir the premiership next season?
if you talk to any team's supporters there are so many needless points dropped and thats what makes it interesting. they best team doesn't win every week. however, the good teams are able to squeeze a point out of bad days and steal 3 on the mediocre ones.
Seems a bit strange that Rafa takes off Liverpool's biggest scoring threat last Wednesday night with a hamstring problem when a goal was needed and then plays him on Saturday in a meaningless game and he scores! What is the craic there?
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
Spurs and blackburn have drawn the same number of games as liverpool. fulham and middlesboro one less. Can they push fir the premiership next season?
if you talk to any team's supporters there are so many needless points dropped and thats what makes it interesting. they best team doesn't win every week. however, the good teams are able to squeeze a point out of bad days and steal 3 on the mediocre ones.
Exactly, and the reason the good teams get 3 points with first teamers missing, is because the lads coming in would be first teamers, or better than first teamers, on the team they are playing against. Hence strength in depth, but real strength, not just numbers covering positions.
agree with AZ's assessment above. I've said it a few times already - we need a winger, central midfielder & striker before even contemplating challenging for the title.
Stiff Breeze is right about the number of draws being the biggest problem this year but the bottom line is that 1 additional player will not make up that gap. Between the PL & CL, we played the top 3 teams 10 times and the results are (only using 90mins in the CL games): W1, L2, D7. That's a brutal record.
I also think the 4-4-1-1 formation only works effectively against the average teams in the PL. We need to play 4-4-2 against the top 3 teams with a quality striker beside torres (and i dont mean crouch/voronin/kuyt).
By the way, a little quiz question for you Pool fans to keep you occupied now the season is over: Apart from 1966, there have been 5 liverpool players, (past, present and future) to have played in a World Cup Final. Can you name them?
1 played while he was with us
2 joined us after playing (and winning) world cups
2 went on to play in finals after leaving us.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:02:23 PM
just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title
How deluded are you?
You are far away from challenging for the title, and without major additions the pool wont be challenging in the near future
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2008, 12:10:20 PM
Exactly, and the reason the good teams get 3 points with first teamers missing, is because the lads coming in would be first teamers, or better than first teamers, on the team they are playing against. Hence strength in depth, but real strength, not just numbers covering positions.
Yes, so yer man's assertion that liverpool weren't off the title this year only.... was nonsense?
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
Spurs and blackburn have drawn the same number of games as liverpool. fulham and middlesboro one less. Can they push fir the premiership next season?
if you talk to any team's supporters there are so many needless points dropped and thats what makes it interesting. they best team doesn't win every week. however, the good teams are able to squeeze a point out of bad days and steal 3 on the mediocre ones.
you didnt think that point through at all. games won by spurs 11. games won by blackburn 15. games won by liverpool 20. Im comparing the form of the top two with liverpools. united have only drawn 6 and chelsea 9 though each team has lost nearly the same amount of games so as i said originally DRAWS COST US OUR SEASON
How long is a piece of string? As Dinny says it is hypothetical because Liverpool didn't turn defeats into draws, and more importantly draws into wins. In my view the reason for that is that LFC's 'strength in depth' is not nearly as deep as United or Chelsea's. Same problem for Arsenal actually.
Hypothetically again, but if Liverpool sign players who are better than Kuyt and co, then they will be closer because they will win more of those games.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 06, 2008, 12:09:38 PM
Seems a bit strange that Rafa takes off Liverpool's biggest scoring threat last Wednesday night with a hamstring problem when a goal was needed and then plays him on Saturday in a meaningless game and he scores! What is the craic there?
did that sub not score?? have you never heard of recovery from injuries, wats the point playing some1 with a tweaked hamstring against 1 of the best defenses in the league?
Quotebut I think Reina, Carragher, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres as a spine
I like Reina, but would he displace VDS or Cech, VDS maybe as he has shown signs that he is on a downward spiral but Cech is a better goalie than Reina. Carragher is not better not Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry or Carvalho and the player has to be better. Mascherano, sorry until he learns to pass the ball he will always just be a water-carrier to me.
It's not about matching Chelsea or Man U's quality it's about surpassing it. Only then will Liverpool really challenge for the tiltle.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 12:18:40 PM
Quotebut I think Reina, Carragher, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres as a spine
I like Reina, but would he displace VDS or Cech, VDS maybe as he has shown signs that he is on a downward spiral but Cech is a better goalie than Reina. Carragher is not better not Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry or Carvalho and the player has to be better. Mascherano, sorry until he learns to pass the ball he always just be a water-carrier to me.
It's not about matching Chelsea or Man U's quality it's about surpassing it. Only then will Liverpool really challenge for the tiltle.
Well, that's a matter of opinion. In my view if you match them for quality, and play to that quality, then you will, by definition, be challenging for the title.
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:02:23 PM
just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title
How deluded are you?
You are far away from challenging for the title, and without major additions the pool wont be challenging in the near future
I dont want us to be chelsea and buy the title. arsenal have made no major additions in the past 3 or 4 years except for maybe gallas. yet they were challenging up until 3 weeks ago . I would like to see us developing youth with a mixture of experianced campaigners in there too.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:02:23 PM
just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title
How deluded are you?
You are far away from challenging for the title, and without major additions the pool wont be challenging in the near future
I dont want us to be chelsea and buy the title. arsenal have made no major additions in the past 3 or 4 years except for maybe gallas. yet they were challenging up until 3 weeks ago . I would like to see us developing youth with a mixture of experianced campaigners in there too.
Thats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
QuoteWell, that's a matter of opinion. In my view if you match them for quality, and play to that quality, then you will, by definition, be challenging for the title.
I digress becuase those two would have the belief and the experience of winning titles, you just need that bit more elsewhere.
QuoteThats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
They buy them young and develop them, suibtle difference between that and spending 16m plus on squad players like Hargreaves, Carrick or Nani. When was the last time Man U actually developed a player, Wes Brown???
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:02:23 PM
just making the point that we are not that far from challenging for the title
How deluded are you?
You are far away from challenging for the title, and without major additions the pool wont be challenging in the near future
I dont want us to be chelsea and buy the title. arsenal have made no major additions in the past 3 or 4 years except for maybe gallas. yet they were challenging up until 3 weeks ago . I would like to see us developing youth with a mixture of experianced campaigners in there too.
Thats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
do me a favour and start reading my posts through, I said major additions as in big money buys or swaps!! they bought most of their players young and brought them through the ranks
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
QuoteThats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
They buy them young and develop them, suibtle difference between that and spending 16m plus on squad players like Hargreaves, Carrick or Nani. When was the last time Man U actually developed a player, Wes Brown???
ha ha and wat a development he is
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
QuoteThats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
They buy them young and develop them, suibtle difference between that and spending 16m plus on squad players like Hargreaves, Carrick or Nani. When was the last time Man U actually developed a player, Wes Brown???
Fletcher, Pique, O'Shea. And arguably Rooney and Ronaldo, both of whom came to the club before they turned 18. Most of Arsenal's young talent has also been bought when they were around 17/18.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
QuoteThats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
They buy them young and develop them, suibtle difference between that and spending 16m plus on squad players like Hargreaves, Carrick or Nani. When was the last time Man U actually developed a player, Wes Brown???
ha ha and wat a development he is
He would make the scousers team ;)
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
QuoteThats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
They buy them young and develop them, suibtle difference between that and spending 16m plus on squad players like Hargreaves, Carrick or Nani. When was the last time Man U actually developed a player, Wes Brown???
ha ha and wat a development he is
He would make the scousers team ;)
after we get rid of riise there will be no more gingers in an LFC jersey!! lol they are a disaster
Quote from: AFS on May 06, 2008, 12:32:51 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 06, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
QuoteThats a myth. Arsenal have bought nearly every player they have
They buy them young and develop them, suibtle difference between that and spending 16m plus on squad players like Hargreaves, Carrick or Nani. When was the last time Man U actually developed a player, Wes Brown???
Fletcher, Pique, O'Shea. And arguably Rooney and Ronaldo, both of whom came to the club before they turned 18. Most of Arsenal's young talent has also been bought when they were around 17/18.
your missing the point we are talking about developing talent. Fletcher and o shea are not in that bracket and pique is unproven. WE are also talking about devolping talent cheaply and rooney and ronaldo dont come in2 that bracket either.
QuoteFletcher, Pique, O'Shea. And arguably Rooney and Ronaldo,
Seriously Fletcher, Pique, O'Shea, they wouldn't even get into the Deby 1st XI. Rooney played premiership football with Everton and Ronaldo had alredy made his 1st team debut for Sporting. Rooney I believe was almost 19 when he signed.
QuoteUnited currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
Right this is heading towards the school yard, my last comment is my Da is bigger than yours....
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
your away of the point i said i didnt want to buy the title like chelsea did. united brought youth ten years ago and won it and fair play to them , they dont seem to develop as much now because they can afford big names. arsenal are doin wat united did and i would like to see liverpool do the same rather than have a quick fix
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
your away of the point i said i didnt want to buy the title like chelsea did. united brought youth ten years ago and won it and fair play to them , they dont seem to develop as much now because they can afford big names. arsenal are doin wat united did and i would like to see liverpool do the same rather than have a quick fix
Too late....how much has Rafa spent? Torres, Mascherano, Alonso.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
your away of the point i said i didnt want to buy the title like chelsea did. united brought youth ten years ago and won it and fair play to them , they dont seem to develop as much now because they can afford big names. arsenal are doin wat united did and i would like to see liverpool do the same rather than have a quick fix
If the pool continue the way they are going they will not be challenging for the PL in the near future.
Even if they decide to bring talent through the ranks, do you really think they will reap the rewards by challenging for the title next year?
Incidentally, you seem to think that all the pool have to do is add Barry for next season :D :D
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 12:11:38 PM
By the way, a little quiz question for you Pool fans to keep you occupied now the season is over: Apart from 1966, there have been 5 liverpool players, (past, present and future) to have played in a World Cup Final. Can you name them?
1 played while he was with us
2 joined us after playing (and winning) world cups
2 went on to play in finals after leaving us.
Hamann? Ziege?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2008, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
your away of the point i said i didnt want to buy the title like chelsea did. united brought youth ten years ago and won it and fair play to them , they dont seem to develop as much now because they can afford big names. arsenal are doin wat united did and i would like to see liverpool do the same rather than have a quick fix
Too late....how much has Rafa spent? Torres, Mascherano, Alonso.
you have to be jokin me. Not even gonna have this arguement with you because if I dig up the spending figures for the past 3 seasons you will look very stupid.
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
your away of the point i said i didnt want to buy the title like chelsea did. united brought youth ten years ago and won it and fair play to them , they dont seem to develop as much now because they can afford big names. arsenal are doin wat united did and i would like to see liverpool do the same rather than have a quick fix
If the pool continue the way they are going they will not be challenging for the PL in the near future.
Even if they decide to bring talent through the ranks, do you really think they will reap the rewards by challenging for the title next year?
Incidentally, you seem to think that all the pool have to do is add Barry for next season :D :D
barry and perhaps another winger of bentleys pedigree and if we play insua at LB
Thought you wanted Kuyt there?
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2008, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
your away of the point i said i didnt want to buy the title like chelsea did. united brought youth ten years ago and won it and fair play to them , they dont seem to develop as much now because they can afford big names. arsenal are doin wat united did and i would like to see liverpool do the same rather than have a quick fix
Too late....how much has Rafa spent? Torres, Mascherano, Alonso.
you have to be jokin me. Not even gonna have this arguement with you because if I dig up the spending figures for the past 3 seasons you will look very stupid.
No I won't. You said you did not want to buy the league, and my retort suggests that Rafa has not exactly been left with a meagre budget these last few years. I'd say he has spent 100-150 million over the last few seasons.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2008, 01:00:46 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2008, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
United currently have Brown, neville, scholes, fletcher and giggs in the squad who they never paid a bean for. how many have arsenal?
your away of the point i said i didnt want to buy the title like chelsea did. united brought youth ten years ago and won it and fair play to them , they dont seem to develop as much now because they can afford big names. arsenal are doin wat united did and i would like to see liverpool do the same rather than have a quick fix
Too late....how much has Rafa spent? Torres, Mascherano, Alonso.
you have to be jokin me. Not even gonna have this arguement with you because if I dig up the spending figures for the past 3 seasons you will look very stupid.
No I won't. You said you did not want to buy the league, and my retort suggests that Rafa has not exactly been left with a meagre budget these last few years. I'd say he has spent 100-150 million over the last few seasons.
liverpool only spent 30 million this season and that includes buying torres babel and mascherano. so did they spend 120 in the other 2? I dont think so. do your research
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Thought you wanted Kuyt there?
I would have kuyt there but if we could afford a top winger, which i doubt, then kuyt would be a good squad player to have.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Thought you wanted Kuyt there?
I would have kuyt there but if we could afford a top winger, which i doubt, then kuyt would be a good squad player to have.
If Dirk Kuyt starts more than 20 games in the league for Liverpool next season, LFC will NOT win the league, or come close.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2008, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Thought you wanted Kuyt there?
I would have kuyt there but if we could afford a top winger, which i doubt, then kuyt would be a good squad player to have.
If Dirk Kuyt starts more than 20 games in the league for Liverpool next season, LFC will NOT win the league, or come close.
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
Kuyt tries like a hoor, is as game as they come, but he has a first touch not seen since Genghis Khan, and passes the ball with the accuracy of Helen Keller. He does some great things, mostly defensively, and has popped up with a few important goals, but he is, or should be, a squad player at a team looking to win league titles.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
Kuyt tries like a hoor, is as game as they come, but he has a first touch not seen since Genghis Khan, and passes the ball with the accuracy of Helen Keller. He does some great things, mostly defensively, and has popped up with a few important goals, but he is, or should be, a squad player at a team looking to win league titles.
cant arguE with most of that except for the touch , brilliant player at controling a ball in the air and bringin it to ground. He has had a bad season no doubt but things have gone the wrong way for him , he could have had a hat-trick against city on sunday except for top goal keeping , the bar and a deflection. When them things go wrong its hard to perform at the top of your game but hopefully the time of this summer will get his head sorted. Time will tell.
Are you serious stiff breeze? I have to be honest and say I haven't paid much attention to the particular skill of killing a high ball to him, so you could be right there, and a few examples spring to mind now that you mention it, but in the bread and butter stuff, of controlling a fast ball along the ground and the like, his touch is very, very heavy. My mantra about Kuyt is that his second touch is always a tackle.
Lads this is not even worthy of debate, Kuyt is a squad player at best. How can you play right wing when you are as slow as a cart horse?
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:07:49 PM
liverpool only spent 30 million this season and that includes buying torres babel and mascherano. so did they spend 120 in the other 2? I dont think so. do your research
Torres 20 milllion
Babbel 11 million
Mascherano £18.6 million
Total £49.6 million
Is that not more than £30 million? do (sic) your research
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2008, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Thought you wanted Kuyt there?
I would have kuyt there but if we could afford a top winger, which i doubt, then kuyt would be a good squad player to have.
If Dirk Kuyt starts more than 20 games in the league for Liverpool next season, LFC will NOT win the league, or come close.
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
Oh FFS
Please tell me you are taking the p1ss
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2008, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:07:49 PM
liverpool only spent 30 million this season and that includes buying torres babel and mascherano. so did they spend 120 in the other 2? I dont think so. do your research
Torres 20 milllion
Babbel 11 million
Mascherano £18.6 million
Total £49.6 million
Is that not more than £30 million? do (sic) your research
players out of liverpool this year.
Luis Garcia
Atlético Madrid
£3,500,000
Djibril Cisse
Marseille
£6,000,000
Florent Sinama Pongolle
Recreativo Huelva
£2,700,000
Craig Bellamy
West Ham United
£7,500,000
momo sissoko
juventus
8 million
thats 28 million recovered
and all together we spent 62million minus the money from players sold therefore spending 34 million . now jog on
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2008, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 12:59:30 PM
Thought you wanted Kuyt there?
I would have kuyt there but if we could afford a top winger, which i doubt, then kuyt would be a good squad player to have.
If Dirk Kuyt starts more than 20 games in the league for Liverpool next season, LFC will NOT win the league, or come close.
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
Oh FFS
Please tell me you are taking the p1ss
Im not but am perhaps hoping it will happen rather than believing it.
Keep her lit lads, this thread has overtaken the Donny thread as been the funniest on this board.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2008, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:07:49 PM
liverpool only spent 30 million this season and that includes buying torres babel and mascherano. so did they spend 120 in the other 2? I dont think so. do your research
Torres 20 milllion
Babbel 11 million
Mascherano £18.6 million
Total £49.6 million
Is that not more than £30 million? do (sic) your research
players out of liverpool this year.
Luis Garcia
Atlético Madrid
£3,500,000
Djibril Cisse
Marseille
£6,000,000
Florent Sinama Pongolle
Recreativo Huelva
£2,700,000
Craig Bellamy
West Ham United
£7,500,000
momo sissoko
juventus
8 million
thats 28 million recovered
and all together we spent 62million minus the money from players sold therefore spending 34 million . now jog on
So their net outlay was £30 million but they still spent in excess of £50 million on those 3 players. Yours is a David O'Learyesque argument.
This clown stiff breeze is f**king priceless
He says "Dirk is a legend" then in the next post says he hopes he will become a legend, rather than believs he is a legend..............
Quote from: AFS on May 06, 2008, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 06, 2008, 01:34:14 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:07:49 PM
liverpool only spent 30 million this season and that includes buying torres babel and mascherano. so did they spend 120 in the other 2? I dont think so. do your research
Torres 20 milllion
Babbel 11 million
Mascherano £18.6 million
Total £49.6 million
Is that not more than £30 million? do (sic) your research
players out of liverpool this year.
Luis Garcia
Atlético Madrid
£3,500,000
Djibril Cisse
Marseille
£6,000,000
Florent Sinama Pongolle
Recreativo Huelva
£2,700,000
Craig Bellamy
West Ham United
£7,500,000
momo sissoko
juventus
8 million
thats 28 million recovered
and all together we spent 62million minus the money from players sold therefore spending 34 million . now jog on
So their net outlay was £30 million but they still spent in excess of £50 million on those 3 players. Yours is a David O'Learyesque argument.
when you compare that with chelseas and united its nowhere near,
the only way this post can get better is if Armagh4sam turns up
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 02:05:17 PM
This clown stiff breeze is f**king priceless
He says "Dirk is a legend" then in the next post says he hopes he will become a legend, rather than believs he is a legend..............
I hate having to constantly show your stupidity. I said noting like what you wrote. I said I THINK dirk kuyt is a legend and then I said I HOPE he proves people wrong next season. Is that simple enough for you
Lads, will yiz give it a rest. this is getting embarassing.
Liverpool are 11pts behind league leaders, last year they finished 21pts behind Utd, the year before they finished 9 pts behind Chelsea & the year before that they finished 37pts behind chelsea. Those stats only say one thing - Liverpool dont have the squad to challenge for the PL. Now I happen to think 3 quality players will go along way to closing the gap, but thats a matter of opinion. Unfortunately, Liverpool just dont have the financial muscle to compete with Utd or Chelsea. Liverpool need to sell a player in order to buy a player. Utd & Chelsea just go out and buy who they want.
Anyone who thinks differently to the above needs a reality check. Now, for the love of Jaysus, will yiz ever leave down the gloves & move on.
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
This is what you said
It doesnt say anywhere you
think he is a legend ::)
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
This is what you said
It doesnt say anywhere you think he is a legend ::)
WTF ?? do you actually read your posts after you write them. obviously i think he is a legend if i wrote that, some1 then asked if i was taking the p1ss and i said i was hoping more than anything which was in referral to the proving people wrong part. No matter wat happens dirk kuyt will always be a legend IMO
I actually hope that the wholesale clearout that some people are calling for does not happen. Yes, bring in new players, but we need the squad as well. The likes of Pennant, Bennyoun, Arbeloa, Finnan, Aurelio, Kuyt and Lucas will be essential as squad players amd should be retained. Crouch wants to leave as does Carson, Riise is done at this level, The Vorinator never made it at this level and Alonso looks unhappy. They should pick up at least 30m for this clutch of players.
Deggen is coming on a free, do hopefully that will give us one less position to pay out on. Insua is good enough to make the step to the first team so with Carragher, Finnan Aurelio and Arbeloa all capable of playing there no money needs to be spent there. If they have a kitty of £30m on top of the net from sales that makes £60m. I am not sure if that is right but if it is, Bentley, Barry, a winger in the mould of Mancini from Roma and another striker, maybe Huntealaar. It may not happen like that but these players could be picked up for the money spoken of.
On an aside, I don't know if anyone watches ESPN Classic. The team of 87-88 were on last night with Aldo being interviewed. That was some team, what I wouldn't give for Digger and Beardsley now!
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
This is what you said
It doesnt say anywhere you think he is a legend ::)
WTF ?? do you actually read your posts after you write them. obviously i think he is a legend if i wrote that, some1 then asked if i was taking the p1ss and i said i was hoping more than anything which was in referral to the proving people wrong part. No matter wat happens dirk kuyt will always be a legend IMO
Oh FFS ::)
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
This is what you said
It doesnt say anywhere you think he is a legend ::)
WTF ?? do you actually read your posts after you write them. obviously i think he is a legend if i wrote that, some1 then asked if i was taking the p1ss and i said i was hoping more than anything which was in referral to the proving people wrong part. No matter wat happens dirk kuyt will always be a legend IMO
Oh FFS ::)
just to be clear I THINK your an idiot
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 02:43:18 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: full back on May 06, 2008, 02:24:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
dirk is a legend. I think he will prove alot of people wrong next season.
This is what you said
It doesnt say anywhere you think he is a legend ::)
WTF ?? do you actually read your posts after you write them. obviously i think he is a legend if i wrote that, some1 then asked if i was taking the p1ss and i said i was hoping more than anything which was in referral to the proving people wrong part. No matter wat happens dirk kuyt will always be a legend IMO
Oh FFS ::)
just to be clear I THINK your an idiot
Jesus wept...........
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
I actually hope that the wholesale clearout that some people are calling for does not happen. Yes, bring in new players, but we need the squad as well. The likes of Pennant, Bennyoun, Arbeloa, Finnan, Aurelio, Kuyt and Lucas will be essential as squad players amd should be retained. Crouch wants to leave as does Carson, Riise is done at this level, The Vorinator never made it at this level and Alonso looks unhappy. They should pick up at least 30m for this clutch of players.
Deggen is coming on a free, do hopefully that will give us one less position to pay out on. Insua is good enough to make the step to the first team so with Carragher, Finnan Aurelio and Arbeloa all capable of playing there no money needs to be spent there. If they have a kitty of £30m on top of the net from sales that makes £60m. I am not sure if that is right but if it is, Bentley, Barry, a winger in the mould of Mancini from Roma and another striker, maybe Huntealaar. It may not happen like that but these players could be picked up for the money spoken of.
On an aside, I don't know if anyone watches ESPN Classic. The team of 87-88 were on last night with Aldo being interviewed. That was some team, what I wouldn't give for Digger and Beardsley now!
Not a lot wrong with that but i doubt we'll get the 30m you mention for those players.
Rafa now been linked with a move for Abidal. Certainly seems like there will be alot of movement at anfield this summer with Rafa not wasting any time.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 06, 2008, 12:09:38 PM
Seems a bit strange that Rafa takes off Liverpool's biggest scoring threat last Wednesday night with a hamstring problem when a goal was needed and then plays him on Saturday in a meaningless game and he scores! What is the craic there?
Does nobody think think this was strange???? ???
someone already answered your point
Quote from: EC Unique on May 06, 2008, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 06, 2008, 12:09:38 PM
Seems a bit strange that Rafa takes off Liverpool's biggest scoring threat last Wednesday night with a hamstring problem when a goal was needed and then plays him on Saturday in a meaningless game and he scores! What is the craic there?
Does nobody think think this was strange???? ???
Not really. Benitez said Torres was feeling his hamstring on Wednesday so he was taken off. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to play the following Sunday though. Had he played on he may have done his hamstring and probably missed the European championships. Maybe this played into the decision too?
I think most Liverpool fans have taken his word for it. Can't see why he would have been taken off otherwise unless he was feeling a strain. There hasn't been much talk about it on the forums anyway once Benitez explained his decision.
Quote from: EC Unique on May 06, 2008, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on May 06, 2008, 12:09:38 PM
Seems a bit strange that Rafa takes off Liverpool's biggest scoring threat last Wednesday night with a hamstring problem when a goal was needed and then plays him on Saturday in a meaningless game and he scores! What is the craic there?
Does nobody think think this was strange???? ???
I think this was answered earlier but just to correct you - the man city game was sunday not saturday, an extra day to recover. i've no doubt that if Torres was able to continue v Chelsea, he would have remained on the pitch.
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 12:11:38 PM
agree with AZ's assessment above. I've said it a few times already - we need a winger, central midfielder & striker before even contemplating challenging for the title.
Stiff Breeze is right about the number of draws being the biggest problem this year but the bottom line is that 1 additional player will not make up that gap. Between the PL & CL, we played the top 3 teams 10 times and the results are (only using 90mins in the CL games): W1, L2, D7. That's a brutal record.
I also think the 4-4-1-1 formation only works effectively against the average teams in the PL. We need to play 4-4-2 against the top 3 teams with a quality striker beside torres (and i dont mean crouch/voronin/kuyt).
By the way, a little quiz question for you Pool fans to keep you occupied now the season is over: Apart from 1966, there have been 5 liverpool players, (past, present and future) to have played in a World Cup Final. Can you name them?
1 played while he was with us
2 joined us after playing (and winning) world cups
2 went on to play in finals after leaving us.
Surprised nobody's had a go at these. Maybe they got lost amongst all the playground squabbling earlier. Any takers?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
On an aside, I don't know if anyone watches ESPN Classic. The team of 87-88 were on last night with Aldo being interviewed. That was some team, what I wouldn't give for Digger and Beardsley now!
That was the best Liverpool team i have seen, Barnes was in the form of his life that year. I remember two goals he scored against QPR were something else. Would love to have seen them having a crack at the European Cup.
answers to the three quiz questions;
1 of them is definitely hamann, (nice to see him get a great reception on sun)
1 of t'others could be pellegrino, although im waitin to be shot down on that one; half a guess;
and thats all i could come up with...
I'll have a go.
1 played while he was with us
2 joined us after playing (and winning) world cups
2 went on to play in finals after leaving us.
Hamann
Anelka?
Zeige/Cisse?
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2008, 03:36:10 PM
I'll have a go.
1 played while he was with us
2 joined us after playing (and winning) world cups
2 went on to play in finals after leaving us.
Hamann
Anelka?
Zeige/Cisse?
Babbel
Quote from: Minder on May 06, 2008, 03:32:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
On an aside, I don't know if anyone watches ESPN Classic. The team of 87-88 were on last night with Aldo being interviewed. That was some team, what I wouldn't give for Digger and Beardsley now!
That was the best Liverpool team i have seen, Barnes was in the form of his life that year. I remember two goals he scored against QPR were something else. Would love to have seen them having a crack at the European Cup.
That was my first Liverpool game against QPR, BC1 junior took the scarf i had then with him to his first game last month!
"Apart from 1966, there have been 5 liverpool players, (past, present and
future) to have played in a World Cup Final. Can you name them?"
Is this future Liverpool players? That being the case I would like someone Like Kaka who will play in the next World Cup Winning team ;D
1 played while he was with us
2 joined us after playing (and winning) world cups
2 went on to play in finals after leaving us.
Ok, the correct ones first:
Hamann for the first one. Played in 2002 WC final while a red.
Ziege is correct for the last category. Also played in 2002 WC final after leaving the club
Anelka, Cisse, Babbel, pelegrino all incorrect.
I'm presuming they are relatively recent WC Finals, because I don't remember many Germans, Italians, Dutch or Brazilians at Anfield between 66 and say 90.
1970 was Brazil beating Italy
1974 was Germany beating Holland
1978 was Argentina beating Holland
1982 was Italy beating Germany
1986 was Argentina beating Germany
1990 was Germany beating Argentina
1994 was Brazil beating Italy
1998 was France beating Brazil
2002 was Brazil beating Germany
2006 was Italy beating France.
So by my reckoning it has to be lads from 1998 to 2006.?
Was that lug Cheyrou playing in one of those finals?
1 of the missing players played in a final before 1998. The other 2 played from 1998 onwards.
They were all Houllier signings, I think.
Cheyrou is also incorrect.
Diomede won one in 98 but never played.Any good? :-\
Diomede
f**k ye beat me by 34 secs
Just had a brainstorm, Insua played in world u-20 final and won it, think masch won one as well.
Diomede is correct. He actually did play a few mins in 1998, believe it or not. Later to become a Liverpool player.
So you're missing 2.
Karl Heinz Riedle
Insua & Masch are wrong. Senior World Cup Finals, we're talking about.
Riedle correct. Good shout. played in 1990 and later came to Liverpool.
If you get the last one, I'll be very impressed. Played F**k all for the reds.
I just got Karl-Heinz Riedle and was all chuffed with myself only to come back and see its been said!!! FFS
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 03:59:04 PM
Diomede is correct. He actually did play a few mins in 1998, believe it or not. Later to become a Liverpool player.
Not according to FIFA
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=1013/results/matches/match=8788/report.html
Alou Diarra
Quote from: tintin25 on May 06, 2008, 04:12:03 PM
Alou Diarra
correct - well done. I cant believe you got that. He came on for viera in 2006 final. Was a liverpool player from 2002-2005 but i dont think he made any apperances at all. Went on loan for a couple of seasons.
Quote from: thewingedlady on May 06, 2008, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 03:59:04 PM
Diomede is correct. He actually did play a few mins in 1998, believe it or not. Later to become a Liverpool player.
Not according to FIFA
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=1013/results/matches/match=8788/report.html
feck. Must be only 4 players so. I'll take this up with the original quiz master. well done lads, yiz know your stuff.
Yer gonna hate me stevo but Riedle never played either
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=76/results/matches/match=27/report.html
Still, Diarra, Ziege and Hamann, i'll enjoy asking the lads that one.
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 04:15:06 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 06, 2008, 04:12:03 PM
Alou Diarra
correct - well done. I cant believe you got that. He came on for viera in 2006 final. Was a liverpool player from 2002-2005 but i dont think he made any apperances at all. Went on loan for a couple of seasons.
Quote from: thewingedlady on May 06, 2008, 04:11:03 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 03:59:04 PM
Diomede is correct. He actually did play a few mins in 1998, believe it or not. Later to become a Liverpool player.
Not according to FIFA
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=1013/results/matches/match=8788/report.html
feck. Must be only 4 players so. I'll take this up with the original quiz master. well done lads, yiz know your stuff.
Cheers! Not even a Pool Fan but would like to think I know me footy!
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 06, 2008, 04:15:29 PM
So it's someone who left Liverpool and then played?
there were 3 types of categories (maybe I should've explained the question better). Anyway, see original questions with answers below (with a serious doubt over Diomede's honour!!)
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 03:29:59 PM
Apart from 1966, there have been 5 liverpool players, (past, present and future) to have played in a World Cup Final. Can you name them?
1 played while he was with us Hamann (2002)
2 joined us after playing (and winning) world cups Riedle (1990), Diomede (1998??)
2 went on to play in finals after leaving us. Ziege (2002), Diarra (2006)
Karl-Heinz Riedle didnt actually play. he was a sub. think thats the point winglady is making
Quote from: thewingedlady on May 06, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
Yer gonna hate me stevo but Riedle never played either
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=76/results/matches/match=27/report.html
Still, Diarra, Ziege and Hamann, i'll enjoy asking the lads that one.
For jaysus sake, there was me thinking I was really smart coming on here with a good quiz question. Should've confirmed the answers before going out against ye experts. I should probably count myself lucky that 3 of them were right!!
Anyway, I think the answers might still stand if you say 5 world cup winners rather than
played in a world cup final.
Cue "thewingedlady" with a link that contradicts me again...
Plans for the new stadium have been approved by the city council
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7385026.stm
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 06, 2008, 04:39:44 PM
Plans for the new stadium have been approved by the city council
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/7385026.stm
all we need now is some1 to put the money up to build it!!
Quote from: stevo-08 on May 06, 2008, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: thewingedlady on May 06, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
Yer gonna hate me stevo but Riedle never played either
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=76/results/matches/match=27/report.html
Still, Diarra, Ziege and Hamann, i'll enjoy asking the lads that one.
For jaysus sake, there was me thinking I was really smart coming on here with a good quiz question. Should've confirmed the answers before going out against ye experts. I should probably count myself lucky that 3 of them were right!!
Anyway, I think the answers might still stand if you say 5 world cup winners rather than played in a world cup final.
Cue "thewingedlady" with a link that contradicts me again...
Couldn't really do that either because the three players who actually played finished on the losing side! sorry
Big Crouch was in Banbridge today, nice fellah. Massive, massive crowds out to see him.
Quote from: corn02 on May 06, 2008, 10:42:37 PM
Big Crouch was in Banbridge today, nice fellah. Massive, massive crowds out to see him.
what was he doing there?
Opening a new department in Donaghy's, they had to close the door there was so many. Hundreds didn't get the chance it was that crazy.
Quote from: fred the red on May 06, 2008, 10:43:24 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 06, 2008, 10:42:37 PM
Big Crouch was in Banbridge today, nice fellah. Massive, massive crowds out to see him.
what was he doing there?
he was doing his medical at newry city and called in to buy new boots on his way to the airport.
Any opinions on the new stadium plans?
Football365:
"Kewell will leave the club at the end of his contract." Rafa
Happy f**king days!!!!!!!
It is believed that Kewell has rejected a new deal on reduced wages.
If true, where does this **** get off rejecting reduced wages? >:(
Great news,the club canteen may go out of business though
kewell should be paid when he plays. delighted to see the back of him though, wee p***k
Word that Sammy Lee may be coming back to the club to replace Alex Miller as first team coach. Would be a decent enough appointment,if it happens , though I wouldn't mind seeing Gary Mac being coaxed back. I think he would be very good for rafa as he would take a lot of the slack off him from the press and would have great respect around the club.
So Crouch us staying, as no one will pay £15million for him. Send Vorinin to WBA with a few million as well as a pay off to take him.
With Rikjaard gone now at Barca does anyone think that there may be a few to pick from there? If I was Rafa I would concentrate on gathering £50m and testing for Messi. Get rid of a few players and forget Barry. 1 serious match winner could be all that is needed.
Gary Mac a great shout, would be very welcome
Quote from: Minus15 on May 08, 2008, 10:54:56 PM
Gary Mac a great shout, would be very welcome
I doubt if he would go, especially if Leeds get promoted this year.
Newcastle are probably the only club at the minute who will be forking out 15 million for Crouchy. Would be sad to see the big fella go as he has always done a decent job for us and is def alot more than a one trick pony. Although if he is gonna be warming his rear on the bench next season, better to take the dosh and spend it wisely!!
Had almost forgotten we still had old Harry!! At least physio bills should be reduced considerably next year as a result!! A wasted talent in many ways, cos he had the ability!!
QuoteWith Rikjaard gone now at Barca does anyone think that there may be a few to pick from there?
Forget about them and just go for Rijkaard..
Quote from: Rossie11 on May 09, 2008, 12:23:00 AM
QuoteWith Rikjaard gone now at Barca does anyone think that there may be a few to pick from there?
Forget about them and just go for Rijkaard..
He wouldn't fit into Rafa's formation and anyway, his best days are behind him ;)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2008, 09:30:40 PM
Word that Sammy Lee may be coming back to the club to replace Alex Miller as first team coach. Would be a decent enough appointment,if it happens , though I wouldn't mind seeing Gary Mac being coaxed back. I think he would be very good for rafa as he would take a lot of the slack off him from the press and would have great respect around the club.
So Crouch us staying, as no one will pay £15million for him. Send Vorinin to WBA with a few million as well as a pay off to take him.
With Rikjaard gone now at Barca does anyone think that there may be a few to pick from there? If I was Rafa I would concentrate on gathering £50m and testing for Messi. Get rid of a few players and forget Barry. 1 serious match winner could be all that is needed.
You seriously think messi would go to yous?
Thats what yous said last year bout Torres :D :D
Messi would come to us as quick as United New Devil.
Quote from: corn02 on May 09, 2008, 09:09:02 AM
Messi would come to us as quick as United New Devil.
How are you making this assumption corn?
Liverpool have been more successful and consistent in Europe over the last few years, I see no reason why would consider United tobe a superior club when these foreign players all want to play Champions League football first and Premeirship second.
Fact of the matter is that he will be going to neither.
Quote from: corn02 on May 09, 2008, 10:42:41 AM
I see no reason why would consider United to be a superior club
Catch a grip of yourself :D
Why should I. In the last few years who has been better in Europe?
Still want to see Van der Vaart at Liverpool!!
Riquelme anyone? where is he at these days?
Quote from: girt_giggler on May 09, 2008, 10:59:33 AM
Still want to see Van der Vaart at Liverpool!!
Riquelme anyone? where is he at these days?
It still annoys me that VdV plays for Hamburg, would have loved to see him come to Liverpool
Think Riquelme is back playing for Boca
Quote from: corn02 on May 09, 2008, 10:58:50 AM
Why should I. In the last few years who has been better in Europe?
I assume you are talking about after 1999 ::)
Liverpool have 1 win, Utd are in the final this year - so lets wait and see
Any player worth his salt wants to join a club that are successful at home & abroad
I am sure he is dying to join United. He would easily go to Chelsea before United.
Lads you are wasting your time talking about it, as he wont be leaving Barcelona and Chelsea would be the only team with the money to buy him.
Perhaps,
But I was taking exception to "Messi would come to us as quick as United"
I believe that. Not to start a stupid arguement but we are historically better in Europe and have been consistently better than United this last few years e.g Messi's playing span.
Messi's style of play is not suited to Liverpool. Benitez would probably play Kuyt ahead of him in that position as Messi's workrate wouldn't be as high.
Anyway - as someone said, he won't be leaving the Nou Camp for a long time one would think.
Maybe ye should consider Terry Henry?
You are having trouble attracting Gareth Barry
If Utd came in for Barry (although we dont need him) he would be out of Villa in a heartbeat
Quote from: full back on May 09, 2008, 11:52:30 AM
You are having trouble attracting Gareth Barry
If Utd came in for Barry (although we dont need him) he would be out of Villa in a heartbeat
How do you know that?
Just like United are having trouble attracting Valenica from Wigan fullback? Do you think we put in an offer for Barry and he signs the next day?
Quote from: corn02 on May 09, 2008, 12:00:03 PM
Just like United are having trouble attracting Valenica from Wigan fullback? Do you think we put in an offer for Barry and he signs the next day?
I think the problem is Villa want more cash and it is the usual case of brinkmanship by the selling club to ramp up the price.......If Barry wants to go, and by all accounts he does, he will go regardless of what wee Marty says.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 09, 2008, 11:51:24 AM
Messi's style of play is not suited to Liverpool. Benitez would probably play Kuyt ahead of him in that position as Messi's workrate wouldn't be as high.
Anyway - as someone said, he won't be leaving the Nou Camp for a long time one would think.
Maybe ye should consider Terry Henry?
We can only dream that he would join, but you may be right about his style of play not suiting.
As for the argument about him joining one over the other, the advantage that Liverpool would have is that they have 2 international team-mates of Messi in Insua and Mashca and that would be a huge bonus in helping a young player like him settle.
Lads we are getting into a weird arguement here. Messi will be at Barca for a long time.
Henry is not wanted at Barca and could be picked up for a relatively modest fee (if you get someone stupid enough to pay £15m for Crouch you'd hardly have to add mcuh to it to afford Henry). It would be a gamble as he's a bit of a moany bollix and needs to have his ego massaged but his directness could suit Liverpool and the Premiership.
Honest question Seanie, do you not think £15 is fairly decent price in today's market for Crouch?
Henry would be a gamble and I have a feeling he could be back at the emirates next season.
Who do you want United to bring in Seanie?
Henry will spend another season at Barca - and then he's off to the States - mark my words
In todays market and when you see what Spurs paid for Bent then I suppose Liverpool are entitled to try and get £15M for Crouch. I think he'll get goals for anyone in the Premiership and wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool get that money for him. What I do think though is that its rich of Benitez to ask that money for someone he clearly doesn't rate.
Can't see Henry back at the Emirates. Too old for Wenger.
As for United - I listenened to Graham Hunter on Newstalk a while back and he sees it panning out like this: They will break the bank for Danny Alves (to a point). With Gary Neviller near the end of his days a first choice right back is needed and he's probably the best in the world at present. Berbatov will also be a target, posibly with Saha going the other way. I think those two would be good.
Alves is a class act, I thought Liverpool had him in the bag a few years ago.
So if Alves came to United they would have just signed a player (Brown) to a £55k p/w contract to warm the bench?
You need more than 11 to challenge for more than the cup competitions Minder.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 09, 2008, 02:18:26 PM
You need more than 11 to challenge for more than the cup competitions Minder.
Just wouldnt have thought he would be happy to be a sub for the majority of games after signing a new contract, perhaps he was given assurances though.......
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 09, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
In todays market and when you see what Spurs paid for Bent then I suppose Liverpool are entitled to try and get £15M for Crouch. I think he'll get goals for anyone in the Premiership and wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool get that money for him. What I do think though is that its rich of Benitez to ask that money for someone he clearly doesn't rate.
Can't see Henry back at the Emirates. Too old for Wenger.
As for United - I listenened to Graham Hunter on Newstalk a while back and he sees it panning out like this: They will break the bank for Danny Alves (to a point). With Gary Neviller near the end of his days a first choice right back is needed and he's probably the best in the world at present. Berbatov will also be a target, posibly with Saha going the other way. I think those two would be good.
It's not rich at all. It's business. Liverpool are entitled to put any price they like on a player in the hope that they get as close to that figure as possible.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 09, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
In todays market and when you see what Spurs paid for Bent then I suppose Liverpool are entitled to try and get £15M for Crouch. I think he'll get goals for anyone in the Premiership and wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool get that money for him. What I do think though is that its rich of Benitez to ask that money for someone he clearly doesn't rate.
Considering they only paid 7 million for them and he's not even a regular starter, I doubt if they'd get twice that!
Quote from: tintin25 on May 09, 2008, 02:43:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 09, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
In todays market and when you see what Spurs paid for Bent then I suppose Liverpool are entitled to try and get £15M for Crouch. I think he'll get goals for anyone in the Premiership and wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool get that money for him. What I do think though is that its rich of Benitez to ask that money for someone he clearly doesn't rate.
Considering they only paid 7 million for them and he's not even a regular starter, I doubt if they'd get twice that!
He isnt a regular starter because Liverpool only play one up front and Torres is that "one", any time he has played he has more often than not impressed. I would think they will get around £10m for him.
Quote from: tintin25 on May 09, 2008, 02:43:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 09, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
In todays market and when you see what Spurs paid for Bent then I suppose Liverpool are entitled to try and get £15M for Crouch. I think he'll get goals for anyone in the Premiership and wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool get that money for him. What I do think though is that its rich of Benitez to ask that money for someone he clearly doesn't rate.
Considering they only paid 7 million for them and he's not even a regular starter, I doubt if they'd get twice that!
They'll be looking to. Crouch was really a nobody when he joined Liverpool (the fact that he cost 7 million just shows the inflated cost of English players). Since he came to Liverpool he's become an established goal scoring international and has undoubtably enhanced his repuation even though he hasn't got too many games this season. They should certainly be looking to collect 12 million minimum for him.
I think the 15 million quoted price is just a starting valuation. Liverpool want that. Someone will offer 10 and they will try and meet somewhere in the middle.
Anyone know how Liverpool did today? :-*
they beat the current league cup champions in a sensational result
Quote from: Minder on May 11, 2008, 05:35:04 PM
they beat the current league cup champions in a sensational result
Which means spurs won more than yous this year :-\ :-\ :D :D
youre a tedious hoor. good to see youre out celebrating the win
Only winding stalin....don't worry celebrations will be in full swing in a few hours...hopefully after new york beat Leitrim
Great achievement for Torres today with him netting his 24th league goal of the campaign to see him overtake Ruud van Nistelrooy and become the most prolific foreigner ever in a debut season.
Just shows what you get when you spend big..
Time for a big clearout now i suppose the main players that could go are Riise,Voronin,Pennant,Kewell,Crouch possibly Alonso too
Torres is quality. Imagine the damage he could do with decent players around him. My worry is that if we dont deliver next year we could lose him!!
Unbelievable first year for Torres. Thought he'd be a good signing, but never thought he'd get so many goals so early.
Will be a very interesting year for him next year though. Opposition defenders will be wary of how lethal he is and probably try to do what Ferdinand and Vidic done lately - kick him repeatedly.
He's going to need help in the goalscoring stakes though, and not just from Gerrard, to help the team mount a league challenge.
In fairness he didnt come to Liverpool as an unknown quantity, he is top class and im not sure the defenders will cope any better next year as the standard of defending outside United, chelsea and Liverpool is very poor.
Knew Torres would be good but didn't think he'd be this good this soon. Fair play to the lad, he's top notch.
Who would be your favourite Liverpool team,Not necessarily the best to have played for Liverpool or what the best formation that would suit the players picked just those who you loved to watch or have fond memories of?
My memory only goes back as far as 1982 thats when i started to follow them I was 4years old :o so i will only use players from that year onwards
Mine would be.......
Bruce Grobbelaar
Steve Stanuton Jamie Carragher Glenn Hysen Rob Jones
John Barnes Ronnie Whelan Steven Gerrard Steve McManaman
John Aldridge Robbie Fowler
Manager: Kenny Daglish
Very hard to name just 11 as the likes of Neil Ruddock,Barry Venison,Ray Houghton etc are all favourites of mine too
Aldo ahead of Rush ???
Get away outta that
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 12, 2008, 10:41:39 PM
Aldo ahead of Rush ???
Get away outta that
There's always someone to complain ::)
I didn't say it was the best Liverpool XI but your favourite players,Aldo is my favourite footballer from any era
Brucie
Stevie Nicol Mr Cool Hansen Jamie Carragher Steve Staunton
Steven Gerard Souness Jan Molby John Barnes
Rushie Peter Bearsdley
You could put so many in there and have another team, No real goalies to put in apart from Reina, could have the players mentioned by Laoislad, always liked watching Steve McMahon. Also Craig Johnstone was a favourite of mine too.
Thommo and Phil Thompson were very early memories of mine. I would loved to have seen stevie heighway at his best.
Good topic LaoisLad. (Favourites as opposed to all-time greatest). My opinion is skewed by the fact that my youth was spent in parallel with Liverpool winning everything (apart from the FA Cup really) so my 'favourite' players tend to be from the teams of the 80s, which might read like an All Time XI. But I am doing this with your criteria in mind.
Goalkeeper : Ray Clemence. I liked Brucie, but there was always a shade of 'dodginess' about him, from the occasional howler to his row with Macca against Everton. Clemence was a class act, and I remember crying when I hear he'd left Liverpool to go to the Spuds.
Back Four.
Phil Neal : Solid, dependable and a great penalty taker. We've had a dearth of top quality right backs, but he was the business.
Alan Hansen : Captain Cool himself. The best ball playing centre half the club has had.
Jamie Carragher : He wouldn't make my all time best team, but he is a great club man, and always gives his all.
Alan Kennedy : Barney Rubble scored the winning goal in two European Cup finals, as well as a few Riise-like drives from outside the box. I always liked him as a player.
Midfield.
Ronnie Whelan : a fantastic player, and Irish to boot. Always classy on the ball, and his goal against United in the Milk Cup final was great.
Steven Gerrard : A love-hate relationship with Stevie G. Sometimes he is a sulky hoor, but other times he single handedly drives Liverpool on, and when he shows that passion, he is fantastic.
Graeme Souness : The ultimate midfielder in a great Liverpool team, tackling, passing, shooting he could do it all, and he always gave his all for the Red shirt.
John Barnes : Edges out Steve McManaman because Banna had to overcome a series of different hurdles as well, and as he matured and went out to grass in the middle, he showed he could modify his game. His seasons from 1987/1988 to 1990 were some of the best wing play I've ever seen at Anfield.
Strikers
Rush : The ultimate finisher, and a long servant. Went away only to disover that Italy was 'like a foreign country', but came back as good as ever.
Dalglish : The man. My favourite Liverpool player of all time. King Kenny looked like a little junior B football player, but he had exquisite touch, a fantastic pass, a great eye for a goal and, of course, that huge arse which gave him loads of space from defenders.
Unlucky not to make it:
Lawrenson, Thompson, Lee, Molby, Fowler.
May make it soon :
Torres
James ( I know it may raise a few eyebrows but i thought he would be great when he joined from Watford)
Jones ( A potentially great career ruined by injury, i remember his first game v Utd just after signing, fed Giggs farts for breakfast)
Hansen (No justification needed)
Carragher (No justification needed)
Staunton ( A dearth of good LB's)
Barnes (From 87-90 was almost unplayable, again serious injuries blighted him. Favourite Liverpool player)
Souness ( Complete midfielder, makes Roy Keane look like an Irish League player)
Gerrard ( Love him or hate him he is still a class act)
Dalglish ( No justification needed)
Rush (No justification needed)
Beardsley (No justification needed)
Hey Minder. I caught that. Was Robbie out drunk last night to get dropped so late in the day? :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 13, 2008, 10:21:24 AM
Hey Minder. I caught that. Was Robbie out drunk last night to get dropped so late in the day? :D
No, i forgot about Beardsley and i couldnt leave him off........That 87-88 team is my favourite team of all that i have seen, in fainess my criteria/memory is 1985 onwards but i have seen enough of Souness to include him.
Laoislad - do you have problems with directions?
Left, Right, it's all a state of mind :D
Loved watching Beardsley. Could trap and control a cannonball fired at him from 3 yards.
As a United fan, i was just wondering what you boys make of today's report that Chelsea have bid 40M for Torres.
Wouldn't Abramovich make you sick >:(
For all the money he spends, the only thing that Chelsea had to parade last Sunday were their kids and WAGS ;D
Quote from: Shrewdness on May 13, 2008, 12:27:13 PM
As a United fan, i was just wondering what you boys make of today's report that Chelsea have bid 40M for Torres.
Wouldn't Abramovich make you sick >:(
For all the money he spends, the only thing that Chelsea had to parade last Sunday were their kids and WAGS ;D
What is your source? £40 mill would maybe, maybe buy you his left leg.........
Quote from: Minder on May 13, 2008, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on May 13, 2008, 12:27:13 PM
As a United fan, i was just wondering what you boys make of today's report that Chelsea have bid 40M for Torres.
Wouldn't Abramovich make you sick >:(
For all the money he spends, the only thing that Chelsea had to parade last Sunday were their kids and WAGS ;D
What is your source? £40 mill would maybe, maybe buy you his left leg.........
I think its coming from the spanish press
Quote from: gawa316 on May 13, 2008, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 13, 2008, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on May 13, 2008, 12:27:13 PM
As a United fan, i was just wondering what you boys make of today's report that Chelsea have bid 40M for Torres.
Wouldn't Abramovich make you sick >:(
For all the money he spends, the only thing that Chelsea had to parade last Sunday were their kids and WAGS ;D
What is your source? £40 mill would maybe, maybe buy you his left leg.........
I think its coming from the spanish press
It's on SKy sports
Reds reject Torres bid - report
Claims of £40million Chelsea offer
Last updated: 13th May 2008
Spanish reports claim that Liverpool have rejected a huge bid from Chelsea for Fernando Torres.
Radio Marca report that Roman Abramovich lodged a cheeky 50million euros (£40million) offer for Torres - who has shone on his debut season in England.
Liverpool are believed to have rejected the offer out of hand and did not discuss any possible deal as they have no intention whatsoever of selling the Spanish striker.
It is also claimed that Avram Grant tried to use his friendship with Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun to make it known to Torres, Chelsea's admiration.
However, Torres - who is readying himself to play a pivotal role for Spain at Euro 2008, is more than happy with life at Anfield and has no intentions of quitting less than 12 months into his Liverpool career.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_3558659,00.html
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 12, 2008, 10:41:39 PM
Aldo ahead of Rush ???
Get away outta that
I'd have to agree with LL, Aldo was a legend in my eyes and I was bitter towards Rush when he came back for Juve and forced Aldo off to spain. Never forget Aldo's last game, the hammering against Palace and he came on to score the late penalty. He threw shirt, shorts, boots, the lot into the Kop. Had a great record at the pool.
Rushies goals would eventually soften the blow but I think Aldo would have done the job as good and porb better for a longer time than Rush. His acceptance by Real Sociedad fans was unreal. Wasn't he the first foreigner to play for the Basque club? Great records with them.
Other favourites - Steve Nicol (same birthday as myself ;D ), Molby, Ronnie, Barnes, Beardsley (again sold too soon), Barney Rubble (met him twice - top bloke), McManaman (while he played he was a fav, not since), Emelyn Hughes (purely for Question of Sport, great player by all accounts).
I started watching the reds in and around the coca cola cup triumph of 95 lads so I have fond memories of Roy Evans team so here goes my favourite 11 but not the best by no means. Probably not even the best since 95.
David James
Vegard Heggem
Jamie Carragher
Sami Hyypia
John Arne Riise
Steve McManaman
John Barnes
Steven Gerrard
Patrik Berger
Stan Collymore
Robbie Fowler
subs:
Reina, Finnan, Redknapp, Ince, Torres
I starting supporting Liverpool around the early 90's, my fav team would be
Reina
Jones, Hyppia, Carra, Stig/Riise
Macca, Gerrard, Redknapp, Barnes
Fowler, Torres
Subs
Owen
Hamann
Garcia
James
Ruddock
James
Babbel Sami Ruddock Staunton
McManaman Gerrard Redknapp Berger
Fowler Collymore
Brucie
Steve Nichol, Hansen, Carra, Stan
Macca, Gerrard, Ronnie, Digger
Robbie, Rushie
Subs
Pepe, Torres, Gary Mac, Big Jan, Sami
Quote from: Chrisowc on May 13, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
Brucie
Steve Nichol, Hansen, Carra, Stan
Macca, Gerrard, Ronnie, Digger
Robbie, Rushie
Subs
Pepe, Torres, Gary Mac, Big Jan, Sami
Good call
Quote from: gawa316 on May 13, 2008, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on May 13, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
Brucie
Steve Nichol, Hansen, Carra, Stan
Macca, Gerrard, Ronnie, Digger
Robbie, Rushie
Subs
Pepe, Torres, Gary Mac, Big Jan, Sami
Good call
If only for that 40 yard free kick in injury time against Everton in 2001........
Quote from: Minder on May 13, 2008, 02:03:57 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 13, 2008, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on May 13, 2008, 01:57:55 PM
Brucie
Steve Nichol, Hansen, Carra, Stan
Macca, Gerrard, Ronnie, Digger
Robbie, Rushie
Subs
Pepe, Torres, Gary Mac, Big Jan, Sami
Good call
If only for that 40 yard free kick in injury time against Everton in 2001........
Gary Mac went on a great run of scoring at the end of that season including the pen against Barca and a free kick that basically relegated his former club coventry. If I remember rightly he didn't celebrate, always was and always will be a legend and a true gent
Gary Mac seems to be a really nice lad, and he did a great job for Liverpool. However, he doesn't make my team of favourite players because he only was with LFC for a short time, and most of his best years were at Leeds or Cov.
Quote from: bingobus on May 13, 2008, 12:54:24 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 12, 2008, 10:41:39 PM
Aldo ahead of Rush ???
Get away outta that
I'd have to agree with LL, Aldo was a legend in my eyes and I was bitter towards Rush when he came back for Juve and forced Aldo off to spain. Never forget Aldo's last game, the hammering against Palace and he came on to score the late penalty. He threw shirt, shorts, boots, the lot into the Kop. Had a great record at the pool.
Rushies goals would eventually soften the blow but I think Aldo would have done the job as good and porb better for a longer time than Rush. His acceptance by Real Sociedad fans was unreal. Wasn't he the first foreigner to play for the Basque club? Great records with them.
Other favourites - Steve Nicol (same birthday as myself ;D ), Molby, Ronnie, Barnes, Beardsley (again sold too soon), Barney Rubble (met him twice - top bloke), McManaman (while he played he was a fav, not since), Emelyn Hughes (purely for Question of Sport, great player by all accounts).
Would also feel a little bitter about how Aldridge was treated and i do think Liverpool would have been better off keeping Aldo than bring Rush back,I was at that game against Crystal Palace,Wasn't in The Kop unfortunately but it was some night..
Actually started following Tranmere as a second team when Aldridge went to manage them.
Never forget the first time i met him,Tranmere were over playing a pre-season friendly against Kilkenny City in Buckley Park..I was about 12 maybe 13..
When the teams were coming out for the 2nd half i made a dash for the pitch and somehow got past 3 stewards and onto the pitch,The stewards made a dash for me but Aldo was walking by just at that moment and told the stewards to leave me alone and i walked all the way up to the dugout with him and got the autograph and photo taken with him
I tell ya i was on a high for months after it.
I have met him a few times since in Liverpool at his bar..I told him the story once of the time i met him in Kilkenny he had a right laugh and gave us a couple of free pints.
The man is a legend in my eyes and an absolute gentleman.I was gutted there recently i found out he had been in my local in Lucan doing the Bulmers Full time quiz along with Ronnie Whelan i only found out about it the next day
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 13, 2008, 02:08:41 PM
Gary Mac seems to be a really nice lad, and he did a great job for Liverpool. However, he doesn't make my team of favourite players because he only was with LFC for a short time, and most of his best years were at Leeds or Cov.
He's also had a very rough time of it lately with his wife dying..Would like to see Leeds go up just for his sake he's also quite good when he is analysing on Sky
My wee bro met Aldo on sat night past there in Ballygalley Castle Hotel. He was staying there as he was the guest at Wellington Rec FC (Larne) end of season doo wherever it was being held that night.
met aldo in spain 3 weeks ago when i was over golfing,he was playing a couple of holes in front of me and got talking to him in the bar afterwards,and as people have already said a real gent,would have talked all day with no airs or graces
Oh Christ- there's no way of doing this without seeming like I am 100 years old:
Clemence
Neal Hansen A.Kennedy
Keegan E.Hughes Molby Barnes
Dalglish
Fowler Rush
Subs: Brucie, Sammy Lee, Steve Nicol, Souness, Phelan, Aldridge, Ray Kennedy
Quote from: heganboy on May 13, 2008, 05:36:08 PM
Oh Christ- there's no way of doing this without seeming like I am 100 years old:
Clemence
Neal Hansen A.Kennedy
Keegan E.Hughes Molby Barnes
Dalglish
Fowler Rush
Subs: Brucie, Sammy Lee, Steve Nicol, Souness, Phelan, Aldridge, Ray Kennedy
Terry never played for the Pool ;)
Play a striker in the hole in a 3 4 1 2 formation and we will all think you are part of the Championship Manager generation ;)
You cracked it Heganboy!
I was lucky enough to meet Gary Mac's dad in Dortmund at the UEFA Cup Final. He was staying in our hotel and travelled to the game with me and my dad. A real gent. He said Gary Mac was lined up to join Liverpool just before King Kenny resigned and then decided to hold off until he found out who the new manager would be. The deal fell through once Sounness got the job.
QuoteLEE RETURNS AS ASSISTANT MANAGER
Paul Hassall 16 May 2008
Liverpool have today confirmed that Sammy Lee will return to Anfield in the role of assistant manager.
The former Reds midfielder has agreed to a third spell at the club as a replacement for first-team coach Alex Miller, who left to take over as manager of Japanese outfit JEF United Ciba last week.
The 49-year-old first made an impression with Liverpool during the halcyon days of the late 1970s/early 1980s when, as a player, he helped the all-conquering Reds to three League titles, four League Cups and two European Cups before moving to QPR in 1986, with later spells at Osasuna, Southampton and Bolton.
He returned to Liverpool as reserve team manager under Graeme Souness in 1993 and maintained his role in the backroom staff under both Roy Evans and Gerard Houllier, with the latter promoting him to first team coach.
He would remain at Anfield until the summer of 2004, playing a valuable role in the treble success of 2001, until the arrival of Rafael Benitez coincided with Lee's decision to leave the club for a full-time position within the England camp.
He returned to the Premier League in June 2005 as assistant to Sam Allardyce at another former club, Bolton, where he would eventually take over the hot-seat in April 2007.
However, he was not given time to flourish at the Reebok Stadium and just six months later he was relieved of his duties.
I actually think thsi may be the most important signing Liverpool make this summer. He may not be a great no. 1 but he is a good no.2. I think I said a number of months ago that he was needed. The link with the glory days is important to maintain as it helps gel things together. Also it takes the pressure off Rafa.
Now lets get the few players that are needed ASAP and have a nice relaxing summer ;D
Sure Sammy could tog out himself. I decent little right sided midfielder as well.
Quote
Liverpool move for defender Degen
Liverpool have made their first transfer move of the summer, swooping for Borussia Dortmund's Philipp Degen on a free transfer.
The Switzerland international defender will move to Anfield on 1 July when his current deal with the German club ends.
The 25-year-old former Basel player will compete with Alvaro Arbeloa and Steve Finnan for the right-back berth.
"His strength is going forward," Anfield manager Rafael Benitez told Liverpool's website.
"He is an offensive player with great energy and a winning mentality.
"He also played in the Champions League during his time with Basel and so is used to top-level football."
Degen - whose twin brother David plays for Basel - has made 26 appearances for Switzerland since making his international debut in 2005.
He spent three seasons at Dortmund, making 70 appearances before opting to move to Anfield.
"When I received the offer from Liverpool, there was no doubt I would accept it," said Degen.
"They are one of the biggest clubs in the world and I am looking forward to the challenge of establishing myself there and playing in the best league there is."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7409840.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7409840.stm)
I hope I'm wrong, but this seems like the now annual squad filling with available cheap signings a al Vorinin etc.
Quote from: Mentalman on May 20, 2008, 09:18:08 AM
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Liverpool move for defender Degen
Liverpool have made their first transfer move of the summer, swooping for Borussia Dortmund's Philipp Degen on a free transfer.
The Switzerland international defender will move to Anfield on 1 July when his current deal with the German club ends.
The 25-year-old former Basel player will compete with Alvaro Arbeloa and Steve Finnan for the right-back berth.
"His strength is going forward," Anfield manager Rafael Benitez told Liverpool's website.
"He is an offensive player with great energy and a winning mentality.
"He also played in the Champions League during his time with Basel and so is used to top-level football."
Degen - whose twin brother David plays for Basel - has made 26 appearances for Switzerland since making his international debut in 2005.
He spent three seasons at Dortmund, making 70 appearances before opting to move to Anfield.
"When I received the offer from Liverpool, there was no doubt I would accept it," said Degen.
"They are one of the biggest clubs in the world and I am looking forward to the challenge of establishing myself there and playing in the best league there is."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7409840.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7409840.stm)
I hope I'm wrong, but this seems like the now annual squad filling with available cheap signings a al Vorinin etc.
Well thats the title in the bag then!!!
I'll wait and make judgement but just goes to show how far we are behind the likes of chelski who pay nearly 17 mil for a right back and utd who are being linked with Alves
Favourite team:
Grobbelaar
Nicol - Hansen - Lawrenson - Beglin
Whelan - Souness - McDermott - Barnes
Dalglish - Torres
Favourite team:
Grobbelaar
Nicol - Carragher - Hansen - Beglin
Gerrard - Souness - Whelan - Barnes
Dalglish
Rush
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Favourite team:
Grobbelaar
Nicol - Hansen - Lawrenson - Beglin
Whelan - Souness - McDermott - Barnes
Dalglish - Torres
Torres!!!!!! After 1 year ::)
Quote from: new devil on May 20, 2008, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Favourite team:
Grobbelaar
Nicol - Hansen - Lawrenson - Beglin
Whelan - Souness - McDermott - Barnes
Dalglish - Torres
Torres!!!!!! After 1 year ::)
And why not? A lot of Utd fans have Rooney in their greatest teams after just a few years of over hyped under performing........
Quote from: Minder on May 20, 2008, 03:14:49 PM
Quote from: new devil on May 20, 2008, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Favourite team:
Grobbelaar
Nicol - Hansen - Lawrenson - Beglin
Whelan - Souness - McDermott - Barnes
Dalglish - Torres
Torres!!!!!! After 1 year ::)
And why not? A lot of Utd fans have Rooney in their greatest teams after just a few years of over hyped under performing........
2 wrongs do not make a right ::) ;)
Would love to know what some of the players are doing now.
For example Steve Harkness,Rob Jones,David Speedie,Titi Camara etc
Think David Speedie is a football agent
Rob Jones runs a nursery
Just read on the german website sport1.de that schalke 04 are interested in buying riise
Lets not write off a player because he was free. Jesus at least reserve judgement until you see him a few times. Wasn't Hyypia less than a million?
Is he in the Swiss Euro '08 squad ?
He should be yes
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N159977080520-0812.htm
no corn hyypia was 2.6 million but a bargain all the same! agree we must reserve judgement on the player just yet. lets hope hes as good as our last free transfer right back- Markus Babbel.
Well whatever he is like he can't be as bad as Arbeola,And in fairness to Finnian he is getting on a bit so i wouldn't see him as a regular starter next year if he is still with us at all
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 20, 2008, 08:01:17 PM
Well whatever he is like he can't be as bad as Arbeola,And in fairness to Finnian he is getting on a bit so i wouldn't see him as a regular starter next year if he is still with us at all
the same Arbeloa that's in Spain's squad for Euro 2008?
Good business whatever way you look at it. He is an young international player (albeit it with Switzerland). With no fee all he costs is the wages. If it frees money up for other players I am all for it, and lets not forget how well the last Swiss defender played for Liverpool?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 20, 2008, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on May 20, 2008, 08:01:17 PM
Well whatever he is like he can't be as bad as Arbeola,And in fairness to Finnian he is getting on a bit so i wouldn't see him as a regular starter next year if he is still with us at all
the same Arbeloa that's in Spain's squad for Euro 2008?
Aye that would be him,Doesn't make him into a good player in my eyes though...
He hasn't played well for Liverpool,He is prone to mistakes and makes them a lot more regularly than Finnan ever did,He doesn't offer much going forward and gives the ball away more often than not,And i have never seen him deliver a good cross
I really can't understand your love affair with him but sure each to their own i suppose I'm not gonna argue with you over it
I don't rate him,you do...end of
Reds close on Dossena deal
Liverpool winning race for Italian defender
By Nadia Carminati Last updated: 21st May 2008
Udinese defender Andrea Dossena is close to agreeing a move to Liverpool, according to reports in Italy.
Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez is on the lookout for a left-back to bolster his squad as it is expected John Arne Riise is set to leave Anfield this summer.
Tottenham are also chasing £9million-rated Dossena's signature and it is understood that the North London club had a bid rejected in the January transfer window.
However, it is rumoured that Udinese sporting director Pietro Leonardi recently flew to England to discuss a possible transfer with Liverpool.
The Reds, though, would face a battle to land 26-year-old Dossena as Serie A giants Juventus are also seeking close-season reinforcements.
Dossena, who has made one appearance for Italy, has played 63 games for Udinese since joining from Treviso in 2006 and he has scored two goals in that time.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_3591713,00.html
Quote from: new devil on May 20, 2008, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Favourite team:
Grobbelaar
Nicol - Hansen - Lawrenson - Beglin
Whelan - Souness - McDermott - Barnes
Dalglish - Torres
Torres!!!!!! After 1 year ::)
What's your problem?
Dalglish is my favourite Liverpool striker since I started watching them in the early 80s. And Torres is my second favourite. Ahead of Fowler, Owen, Beardsley, Aldo, Rush, Collymore etc.
Quote from: Hound on May 21, 2008, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: new devil on May 20, 2008, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 20, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Favourite team:
Grobbelaar
Nicol - Hansen - Lawrenson - Beglin
Whelan - Souness - McDermott - Barnes
Dalglish - Torres
Torres!!!!!! After 1 year ::)
What's your problem?
Dalglish is my favourite Liverpool striker since I started watching them in the early 80s. And Torres is my second favourite. Ahead of Fowler, Owen, Beardsley, Aldo, Rush, Collymore etc.
How long have you got?
I see Paul Ince's son has been called up to the academy for next season
Udinese Coach Pasquale Marino has confessed that star defender Andrea Dossena is highly likely to be wearing a Liverpool shirt next season.
The 26-year-old left-back enjoyed a superb season with the Friulani and is seen as one of Italy's rising stars.
Dossena was a target for Juventus earlier in the year, but now it seems that his future lies in the Premier League.
"I think that a deal with Liverpool for Dossena is on the way," Marino admitted to Radio Kiss Kiss.
"Everything is going smoothly. The requirements are in place and the player has given his consent because he wants to test himself at an important club after the season he has had.
"Our director general was in England partly because of that just two days ago."
As for Marino's long-term plans after an impressive first campaign with the Zebrette, the young tactician seems settled.
"I really like Udine," he said. "The fans don't have as visible a passion as they do in other places, but they are very dedicated to their team and they have shown that on many occasions.
"We will be looking to keep the unit we have intact, but we will also find alternatives this summer so that we can keep moving forwards.
"The important thing is not to feel sated after securing qualification for the Champions League," Marino concluded.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160045080529-0847.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160045080529-0847.htm)
good to see
Looks like Alonso is on his way to Juve. I think thats a bad move especially if its to fund amove for Barry. I know Alonsos form has been patchy but id rather have him than Barry any day. He's a gem of a passer , pure class. I'd be very sad to see him go he'll be a star in Italy
Agree that technically much superior than Barry, even Gerrard, but he has had a frustrating season and just not sure if he was enjoying premiership football last year.
Be sad to see him go as he promised so much. Depends what sort of dough they are talkin about
I think i would prefer Barry..If only on the last few seasons Barry has been superior to Alonso
I don't think Rafa and Alonso get on that well
for me alonso is class. i think we should keep him. hes only 26 or something so you could still get a hefty amount for him in a couple of years. I also like the idea of Barry. Think Rafa maybe just wants to take a different approach to the midfield replacing the pass master with someone with a bit more buzz to get around the pitch. in effect taking up the role of gerrard in midfield allowing him to continue further forward. With Masch there I think he could cope on his own as a holding midfielder and Barry would help.
But in an ideal world i would like to see both at Anfield next season. for the big games xabi and masch in the middle. barry down the left. dirk on the right or hopefullly a new winger and gerrard behind torres. Alonso just has to stay. foot injury kept him out for a good 4 months. against arsenal at anfield in champ league he was immense. u just couldn't replace him in my opinion.
If the funds are available keep him and ship lucas out on loan to villa or someone to make room for barry!
I like Lucas and would like to see more of him next season....
Don't argee with Kuyt on the wing next season i think we need two new wingers right and left
i agree with u on both counts in that i like lucas and there has to be better out there than kuyt. but for the work he puts in if liverpool havent signed a good winger then hr will be in the team most of the time. Lucas i dont think will get a huge amount of game time compared with the other midfielders. i just feel a year of regular football in a team likely to be in Europe would be good for his development. and a loan to Villa may be enough to bring the barry fee down enough to keep alonso.
I would be sad to see Xabi move on. A genuine class midfielder in the best traditions of holding the ball and passing. Unfortunately not enough of that type of football has been seen from him over the last 18 months for one reason and another. In saying that the only reason I could see for moving him on at this point are that he is genuinely unhappy at Anfield - either with his role in the system, the manager or life in England generally - or that he may have long term fitness issues. Either way he would be a loss and a major gain for Juventus or which ever club are lucky enough to get him.
Alonso is a technically class player but for whatever reason he has been in very poor form for the last 18months. And I always thought he lacked a bit of pace and has got found out on a few occassions for that.
With Gerrard, Mascherano, Lucas & possibly Barry, we wont be lacking in the CM area. We need to add quality on the wings & possibly another partner for torres up front. Would love to see alono staying in the club, but unfortunately we need to raise money before spending so I can see Rafa's logic.
If he does go, I wish him all the best in Turin.
Would also be sad to see him go but his form has been indifferent the last 12-18mths, one thing that does not go in his favour is he is not athletic and can be over run by a strong running midfielder (Essien for example). He was great at controlling the tempo of the game because his passing was so good and varied,not sure who is going to do a similar job (and if Barry is the answer i would love to know what the question is) A couple of years ago he was a bigger miss to the team than Gerrard. He maybe just needs a fresh challenge.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 29, 2008, 08:28:22 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160045080529-0847.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160045080529-0847.htm)
good to see
Never knew about the Irish fella before. Where was he from?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on May 30, 2008, 09:20:41 AM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on May 29, 2008, 08:28:22 PM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160045080529-0847.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N160045080529-0847.htm)
good to see
Never knew about the Irish fella before. Where was he from?
must admit I was surprised to read that myself. Always thought it was 38 Italians and 1 Belgian that died that day. It's even mentioned that way in another section of the LFC site http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/lfc_story/heysel/
But certainly Patrick Radcliffe is one of the 39 fans who never came home that day. Not much about him on the net - from Northern Ireland and worked in the Public Records Office.
Did not know that, anyonme know what part he was from.
Carrickfergus I think? Could be wrong though.
Alonso is an excellent midfielder but obviously his face doesn't fit with Benitez' tactics.
Perhaps Fifa 6-5 ruling tipped the balance.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 30, 2008, 01:38:39 PM
Alonso is an excellent midfielder but obviously his face doesn't fit with Benitez' tactics.
I doubt that seeing as Benitez bought him and he's pretty much been a regular ever since. I think he'd like to hang onto him if he could but obviously we have to sell players in order to buy players.
Quote from: corn02 on May 30, 2008, 01:44:36 PM
Perhaps Fifa 6-5 ruling tipped the balance.
Like that'll see the light of day
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 30, 2008, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 30, 2008, 01:38:39 PM
Alonso is an excellent midfielder but obviously his face doesn't fit with Benitez' tactics.
I doubt that seeing as Benitez bought him and he's pretty much been a regular ever since. I think he'd like to hang onto him if he could but obviously we have to sell players in order to buy players.
Spot on GBB. No doubt Rafa would love to hang onto Alosno, if for only the CL games alone. But we just dont have the financial clout of Man U or Chelsea who can just buy as they wish. Alonso had 2 superb years at Liverpool but his form has dipped significantly since and he was sometimes found wanting against the top teams in the PL due to his lack of pace.
Quote from: Uladh on May 30, 2008, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 30, 2008, 01:44:36 PM
Perhaps Fifa 6-5 ruling tipped the balance.
Like that'll see the light of day
Would it surpirse yyou with the muppets over Fifa and Uefa?
Its illegal. the EU have constantly reminded fifa of this and will never allow it. its good pr for fifa to be seen to be fighting this fight though
There still a bunch of w**ks.
Liverpool are closing in on the signing of Italian full-back Andrea Dossena from Udinese.
The defender is expected to undergo a medical at Anfield on Wednesday, with the Reds keen to push through a £7million deal.
The 26-year-old is due to get married this weekend and Rafa Bentiez wants the final details completed before then.
Udinese were hoping to hold out for £8million for the player, but a compromise between the two clubs has now been reached.
Dossena will become Liverpool's second capture of the summer, joining fellow full-back Philip Degen in completing a move to Merseyside.
The Italian's agent confirmed that the formalities of the transfer were almost complete and expects the deal to go through without any problems.
"Everything is confirmed and we have already exchanged documents via fax," said Federico Pastorello.
"The deal is practically done."
Don't know enough about the fella or seen enough of him playing to conclude whether or not this will be good signing. Time will tell I suppose
Hopefully he is an upgrade on what we have in that position, which would not be hard.
On one of the Liverpool forums I read, one of the posters would be a close friend of Stevie G. Capello told Stvie G that he really rates Dossena and is very surprised he didn't make the Italian Euro 2008 squad. This guy is reliable with his info.
So its a matter of Capello and Rafa been right. Rafa's buys at the back have been more successful that his forward purchases - Agger, Krtel, Arbeloa, Aurelio haven't been too bad. Josemi and Kronkamp served a purpose and were quickly moved on. Pellerigino had mucky pictures of Rafa. Obviously.
Quote from: bingobus on June 04, 2008, 03:06:37 PM
On one of the Liverpool forums I read, one of the posters would be a close friend of Stevie G. Capello told Stvie G that he really rates Dossena and is very surprised he didn't make the Italian Euro 2008 squad. This guy is reliable with his info.
So its a matter of Capello and Rafa been right. Rafa's buys at the back have been more successful that his forward purchases - Agger, Krtel, Arbeloa, Aurelio haven't been too bad. Josemi and Kronkamp served a purpose and were quickly moved on. Pellerigino had mucky pictures of Rafa. Obviously.
"haven't been too bad" I realise its only a figure of speech you used Bingobus but i think that's Liverpool's problem,buying players that haven't been too bad..Its time we bought players who we will be describing as great or brilliant..Too many second rate players like Arbeola,Josemi etc being bought
Skrtel and Agger im sure will prove to be good buys but there has been a lot more rubbish bought than good
What forum did you see it on Bingobus?
YNWA.tv, poster by name of Elisha Scott has inside track with Stevie G.
Has also said that Liverpool have been talking to an estblished international (foreign) who plays in midfield secondstriker/hole role that Gerrard had been playing in. Not a young player but someone well into his career with a proven record. To date this players hasn't been linked to Liverpool in the papers.
Suggestions from others it is Aimar and Stankovic. He has siad its defo not these two but along them lines.
Quote from: bingobus on June 04, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
YNWA.tv, poster by name of Elisha Scott has inside track with Stevie G.
Has also said that Liverpool have been talking to an estblished international (foreign) who plays in midfield secondstriker/hole role that Gerrard had been playing in. Not a young player but someone well into his career with a proven record. To date this players hasn't been linked to Liverpool in the papers.
Suggestions from others it is Aimar and Stankovic. He has siad its defo not these two but along them lines.
Hardly Deco?
i would say van der vaart
Quote from: Minus15 on June 04, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
i would say van der vaart
He's hardly "not a young player" he's only 25
A few was hoping it was Van Der Vert. Wasn't dismissed but at that stage it was like a Who's who of European football. He only denied the other two after papers ahd linked them to a move from their clubs to England and a number of clubs.
Quote from: bingobus on June 04, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
YNWA.tv, poster by name of Elisha Scott has inside track with Stevie G.
Has also said that Liverpool have been talking to an estblished international (foreign) who plays in midfield secondstriker/hole role that Gerrard had been playing in. Not a young player but someone well into his career with a proven record. To date this players hasn't been linked to Liverpool in the papers.
Suggestions from others it is Aimar and Stankovic. He has siad its defo not these two but along them lines.
Aimar will definitely be up for grabs with Zaragoza going down, but he seems to have lost that spark of a few years back.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 04, 2008, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on June 04, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
i would say van der vaart
He's hardly "not a young player" he's only 25
nor an established international like aimar
Quote from: Uladh on June 04, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 04, 2008, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on June 04, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
i would say van der vaart
He's hardly "not a young player" he's only 25
nor an established international like aimar
if van der vaart isnt an established international player, then who is? 100+ caps?
Quote from: Uladh on June 04, 2008, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 04, 2008, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on June 04, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
i would say van der vaart
He's hardly "not a young player" he's only 25
nor an established international like aimar
Jaysus, Uladh, sometimes you spout off against anything Liverpool without any form of thought process. ::)
http://www.rafaelvdvaart.nl/carriere_uk.asp
Here is a link Uladh to his website. It gives details of his career. It is a bit out of date as he has only 41 caps for Holland and 8 goals. He has since played 9 more times and scored 4 more goals.
Wiki gives a better record of his career and here it is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_van_der_Vaart#Club_statistics
If you compare that to an established international like, say, Cristiano Ronaldo, he figures well. The great ronaldo has played 55 games and scored 22 goals. He is a better player of course but he is no more "established" than Van Der Vaart.
sorry lads... mixing him up with van der made or whatever he's called!
to mix him up with van der meyde just shows that u know fcuk all so don't constantly try to rip into everyone else's comments. There's far too many nitpickers like u uladh who just end up making pricks out of themselves!
::)
No need for that Minus15. Uladh obviously made a mistake and explained it. I didn't see him 'rip' into anyone. All he said was Van Der Vaart wasn't an established international like Aimar. He got mixed up in his Dutch players. Hardly a hanging offence.
I wouldn't go as far as minus did but Uladh does troll in and out of the Liverpool thread looking for a rise. He made an arse of himself this time and I think he knows full well who Van der Meyde is.
Anyway we'll not lose any sleep over it.
More to the point the deal with Alonso seems to be done bar the shouting. Haggling over a few million. If Barry is bought, who else do they need? Top class winger in my view and if Crouch and the Vorinator are sold(please!!!!!) another good striker at least.
Jaysus BC, I'm trying to do my UN bit here. :D
Typical Biffo, Taoiseach, President of the US and now Peace Ambassador for the UN. Can you lot not just stick to hurling and bog snorkling? ;D
I hear David Villa is a real posibilty - would do me grand. After that Bentley would be brilliant.
brilliant BC :D
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 05, 2008, 09:36:01 AM
Typical Biffo, Taoiseach, President of the US and now Peace Ambassador for the UN. Can you lot not just stick to hurling and bog snorkling? ;D
Why limit yourself? The world is our oyster :D
Is it not scary, though, even for a biff to have one of your own as potentially the most powerful man in the world, with another on giving him the keys to the holiday home over here? I wouldn't be worried about rendition flights in Shannon, the plane loads of folk from say Arizona, coming over to the Bog of Allen would scare me more!!! But if we pushed hard enough we could make Tolland men of them all and that would be a good start :P
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 09:37:34 AM
I hear David Villa is a real posibilty - would do me grand. After that Bentley would be brilliant.
Really Corn, good investigating.
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 10:05:55 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 09:37:34 AM
I hear David Villa is a real posibilty - would do me grand. After that Bentley would be brilliant.
Really Corn, good investigating.
Are you talking to yourself corn, or have you just signed in under the wrong alias? Self praise is no praise!!!!!
Im talking myself because ignored my Villa revelation to talk about Some Biffos.
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 10:05:55 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 09:37:34 AM
I hear David Villa is a real posibilty - would do me grand. After that Bentley would be brilliant.
Really Corn, good investigating.
A front 3 of Babel, Torres and Villa is mouth watering.
Have to say I still want Queresma
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 10:17:18 AM
Im talking myself because ignored my Villa revelation to talk about Some Biffos.
You must be on the drink early too mssing so many words!!!
Villa would be a great aquisition if it is true, but I somehow doubt it at the minute. I don't think the funds are there to pick up someone like him. If they get the money in for the transfers out then it might work.
Quaresma too would be good on previous form but may be a bit of a risk.
Quote from: gawa316 on June 05, 2008, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 10:05:55 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 05, 2008, 09:37:34 AM
I hear David Villa is a real posibilty - would do me grand. After that Bentley would be brilliant.
Really Corn, good investigating.
A front 3 of Babel, Torres and Villa is mouth watering.
Have to say I still want Queresma
Jaysus there are some task masters in this thread.
Quote from: Minus15 on June 05, 2008, 12:17:38 AM
to mix him up with van der meyde just shows that u know fcuk all so don't constantly try to rip into everyone else's comments. There's far too many nitpickers like u uladh who just end up making pricks out of themselves!
Rafa won't be long turning van der vaart into van der meyde anyway...
lads my response to uladh was maybe a bit over the top. I was just home from work, tired and snappy! :D But I do hate Man U men coming in just to have a good lash at Liverpool. Fair play you were the best team this year. well done. Just cant wait until Liverpool get back up there. Rafa the man to do it!
Spare a thought for the like of me, we have it tough. It's not easy trying to wind liverpool fans up...
Sorry BC, in work so have to post fast before I'm caught.
Liverpool go cool on Aaron Ramsey
Jun 5 2008 by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo
LIVERPOOL'S interest in Aaron Ramsey is unlikely to lead to a formal offer being made for the Welsh wonderkid.
The Reds have monitored Ramsey's progress for more than a year and Rafa Benitez is an admirer of his obvious talent but the Liverpool manager knows his priority is to improve the first team this summer and is reluctant to spend a sizeable chunk of his transfer budget on a teenager with just 22 games to his name.
Cardiff City have accepted bids in the region of £5m for the 17-year-old midfielder from Man United, Everton and Arsenal but at that price, Liverpool's interest is likely to cool.
Benitez has identified several areas of his squad which he is keen to strengthen with the full-back and wide positions being top of his list and Liverpool's transfer activity will be centred on those areas.
Philipp Degen has already been snapped up and Liverpool are waiting for the formalities of Andrea Dossena's medical to be completed before finalising his transfer from Udinese.
The £7m fee Liverpool have agreed with Udinese is based on an up front payment of £6m with add-ons and incentives.
Though Benitez would like to be able to move for Ramsey he is not willing to sacrifice other transfer targets whom he feels will have a more immediate impact.
As the Reds boss reshapes his squad ahead of the forthcoming campaign there is no shortage of interest in those members of his squad who have fallen out of favour.
Portsmouth boss Harry Redknapp has admitted for the first time that he would like to take Peter Crouch back to Fratton Park, although he is unwilling to meet Benitez's £15m asking price.
While Roma have firmed up their long standing interest in John Arne Riise with an opening offer for the Norwegian only for it to fall short of Liverpool's valuation.
Redknapp said: "I don't know if the avenue for Peter Crouch is shut or not. If Liverpool are asking £15m for him it is certainly shut.
"I like Peter, but he belongs to Liverpool at the moment.
"If the price is right something could happen. If they wanted £10m it would certainly be more interesting. We do need another front man."
Any more on the previous interest in Maxi Rodriguez? Is he the mystery man? 27, 24 caps for Argentiana. wing or midfield.
Could it be Eidur Gudjohnsen?
He wouldn't exactly be popular at Anfield.
Quote from: corn02 on June 06, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
He wouldn't exactly be popular at Anfield.
I don't think Rafa is one for sentiment. He tried to sign Lucas Neill remember, and look at what he did to Carra.
Quote from: corn02 on June 06, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
He wouldn't exactly be popular at Anfield.
I think he redeemed himself for getting Alonso suspended by blazing that last grasp effort wide V Chelsea in teh return. His goal for Barca was only a consolation.
In my opinion he would be a good option, very clever footballer who gets his share of goals while never been a prolific striker.
Quote from: bingobus on June 06, 2008, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 06, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
He wouldn't exactly be popular at Anfield.
I think he redeemed himself for getting Alonso suspended by blazing that last grasp effort wide V Chelsea in teh return. His goal for Barca was only a consolation.
In my opinion he would be a good option, very clever footballer who gets his share of goals while never been a prolific striker.
I think he would be an excellent partner for Torres.
Barcelona forward Eidur Gudjohnsen may be set for a return to the Premier League, according to his father.
The former Chelsea and Bolton player failed to cement a regular place in the Barcelona side last season and is said to be considering his future.
"One Premier League club has shown a lot of interest in Eidur," father and agent Arnor Gudjohnsen told BBC Sport.
"He would certainly be interested in a move back to England, but he is not going to rush into making a decision."
He added: "Eidur and his family are settled in Barcelona and he has two years left on his contract, but his chances were limited last season."
Reports in England suggested that West Ham and Newcastle were interested in the player.
The 29-year-old moved from Chelsea two years ago for about £8m, but injuries and competition for places in attack have limited his chances in the first team.
Last season, Gudjohnsen was moved to a midfield role by coach Frank Rijkaard, although he rarely completed 90 minutes in a match.
The Icelandic player, along with a host of other players, is believed to be surplus to new coach Pep Guardiola's plans for next season.
Would be a great signing for liverpool, should be able to pick him up for around £5million, and has bags of experience.
He is quite injury prone though, dont know whether that is because he is a quite a big lad for a professional footballer.
Am I the only one who wouldn't want this?
Not convinced about it either. Would worry that he may lack the desire and to take us to next level.
In such a poor season for Barcelona he didnt seem to feature too often.
Quote from: corn02 on June 06, 2008, 01:35:06 PM
Am I the only one who wouldn't want this?
No corn im with ya..Its not players like this we need to be buying..If he's not good enough for Barcelona what makes him good enough for Liverpool
Gudjonsen would be a step from Kuyt and voronin as far as im concerned
looking forward to seeing degan playing 2day havent seen him play yet anyone saw this italian left back play yet!!?
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 07, 2008, 10:28:34 AM
looking forward to seeing degan playing 2day havent seen him play yet anyone saw this italian left back play yet!!?
Degen is apparently very good going forward. Not so great defending. He's a converted right sided midfielder turned into a full-back.
Dossena isn't in the Italian squad although apparently Capello thinks he should have been.
Mentioned in a newspaper today that James Millner could be on his way to Liverpool..
Not sure if that would be good or not...Might be another Pennant
Milner's a decent player but I'd be worried for Liverpool if they sign him. Another ordinary player to add to the list.
He's at the level he's right for, top ten teams like Villa and Newcastle.
Liverpool's finances not looking too good under the americans. and with us being linked to the likes of milner & downing, seems like more of the same for the summer ahead. Need to flog some of the deadwood asap...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/10/liverpool
Benítez budget intact despite £33m Kop loss
Andy Hunter The Guardian, Tuesday June 10 2008
Rafael Benítez has been assured his transfer budget will not be reduced as a result of the substantial losses incurred during Tom Hicks' and George Gillett's takeover of Liverpool, although the Spaniard's spending rests heavily on the amount raised through player sales this summer.
The first set of accounts released by Kop Holdings Limited, the company formed to facilitate the purchase of Liverpool in February 2007, have revealed a loss of £33m for the year ending July 31, 2007, with £1.2m reclaimed by Gillett and Hicks in personal expenses. Gillett claimed expenses totalling £823,000 for the loans required to complete the initial £220m takeover.
He also claimed £375,000 in travel and legal expenses, of which £100,000 were unpaid as of July 31 last year. Kop Holdings also incurred £133,000 in transaction expenses from Hicks, who claimed £198,000 in travel, legal and other expenses; £244,000 of Hicks' total was listed as unpaid as of July 31, 2007.
The Americans also wrote off £10.32m when they abandoned the original plans for a new stadium on Stanley Park in favour of their own design while Kop Investment LLC, the parent company, made an inter-company loan of £64m to the club to service the interest repayments on January's refinancing package.
Despite these ominous figures, the £350m refinancing deal accounted for this summer's transfer dealings and Benítez's budget is in place, although it is understood to be far from what the manager would like. The Spaniard will have to raise much of his revenue through sales and Liverpool have opened negotiations with Roma regarding the possible sale of John Arne Riise, though the Italians have not met the £5m asking price.
I presume the DIC stories will be starting again any day now.
As I said earlier in the thread, get Villa.
Quote from: corn02 on June 11, 2008, 11:15:23 AM
As I said earlier in the thread, get Villa.
If he keeps going the way he started he'll cost £25m.
Same price as Torres?
Quote from: corn02 on June 11, 2008, 01:15:00 PM
Same price as Torres?
On last nights showing he is worth it..Himself and Torres seem to have a understanding of each other too
Christ it would be great to have both i wonder could Torres talk him into it!
We have to be realistic, he had a poor season. I watched a fair bit of the Spanish football this year and he was nowhere near as good as the previous two seasns, but he was surrounded by a team od dirt this year.
He is nowhere near as good as Torres but is still absolute class. I would happily pay £20 million for him.
I texted Torres to ask him to join there, just waiting on a reply.
I just hope he isnt judged on his performances in Euro 08 which can be very misleading,he didnt score many last year but Valencia were piss poor, the last time a Liverpool manager bought players on the strength of a tournament we ended up with Diouf and Diao.........
Milan Baros.
We had Baros before he played so well in the 2004 tournament.
Torben Piechnik and Phil Babb are two who we bought mainly on the strength of seemingly very good perfomances in major championships.
Villa is different class. But we can't afford him.
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
Villa is different class. But we can't afford him.
That's about the height of it.
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
We had Baros before he played so well in the 2004 tournament.
Torben Piechnik and Phil Babb are two who we bought mainly on the strength of seemingly very good perfomances in major championships.
Villa is different class. But we can't afford him.
Well summed up, especially as we are making such a big outlay on that tube Barry.
I know Hound, was just agreeing with reputations an big tournaments.
Minder how is he a tube?
Quote from: Minder on June 11, 2008, 01:42:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
We had Baros before he played so well in the 2004 tournament.
Torben Piechnik and Phil Babb are two who we bought mainly on the strength of seemingly very good perfomances in major championships.
Villa is different class. But we can't afford him.
Well summed up, especially as we are making such a big outlay on that tube Barry.
Wouldn't agree with calling Barry a tube i think he is a excellent player and his last two seasons with Villa have been great
Quote from: corn02 on June 11, 2008, 01:45:27 PM
I know Hound, was just agreeing with reputations an big tournaments.
Minder how is he a tube?
I just think he is overvalued, over rated and the money could be spent better elsewhere, to be precise a right winger or creative midfielder.
not a liverpool fan but only after listening to this...thought it would lift yur dayhttp://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ1wVOzYhcc&feature=related (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ1wVOzYhcc&feature=related)
If Alonso does not go I will agree with you but it hardly makes him a tube though.
Villa was injured a good bit of this year.
His stats for the year are:
Champions League Valencia 6 (1) 3
Primera Liga Valencia 26 (2) 18
Spanish Copa del Rey Valencia 5 (1) 1
I do not find that at all bad.
I was hoping wed buy him before the euros
Quote from: J70 on June 11, 2008, 01:40:46 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2008, 01:37:58 PM
Villa is different class. But we can't afford him.
That's about the height of it.
That's what I was getting at unfortunately.
From a neutral's perspective (Well as neutal as you can get), I think Barry is twice the player Alonso is. It'll be good business to get him at £15 million offset by whatever they receive for Alonso.
Going on the last two seasons form i'd take Barry ahead of Alonso
Quote from: Minder on June 11, 2008, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 11, 2008, 01:45:27 PM
I know Hound, was just agreeing with reputations an big tournaments.
Minder how is he a tube?
I just think he is overvalued, over rated and the money could be spent better elsewhere, to be precise a right winger or creative midfielder.
He is an England player playing in England hence the over valuation..
I agree E C but i dont think Liverpool should pay that amount,surely there is better value on the continent
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 11, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
Going on the last two seasons form i'd take Barry ahead of Alonso
Agreed. I like Alonso and he does a massive amount of work for the team but his role of playmaker has not flourished as expected. He keeps things ticking over in midfield but the last couple of seasons has seen his assist count drop and his passing has become laboured at times and messy in other cases. This has affected his confidence.
Barry is much more aggressive round the box with his passing and shooting plus is prob more versitile that Alonso. Porb not much to choose but I think if its a straight swap or close to it, I'd take Barry at present.
English players are valued at their standard fee plus a International cap levy plus VAT at 17.5% hence they are dearer than Johnny Foreinger ;) ;D
The fact that Degen has been benched for the two Swiss games isnt filling me with confidence that he'll be an improvement on Arbeloa and Finnan.
Quote from: Hound on June 12, 2008, 07:03:21 AM
The fact that Degen has been benched for the two Swiss games isnt filling me with confidence that he'll be an improvement on Arbeloa and Finnan.
Was thinking the exact same Hound.
Anyone know the story with Agger. If he comes back fully fit, maybe we'll see more of carragher at rb. Dont know if thats such a good thing.
I think a big decision Rafa will have to make next season will be leaving Carra out of big games. If Agger makes a full recovery (always a doubt when you miss a full season) and Skrtel develops as he should with more experience of English football, then they should be our best pairing.
I would be very slow (pardon the pun!) to play Carra at right back other than in emergency cases.
I think Degen was out injured for the finish to the domestic season, therefore he was not deemed to be match fit for the swiss.
As for leaving Carra out...get real. He is by far our best leader at the back. He gives every thing for Liverpool and actually complements Agger perfectly. Skertal's (Sp?) day will come but not at the expense of Carra at centre back next season
Madness Hound.
Lads, I'd have to agree, to a certain extent, with Hound. On last seasons form, Carragher might struggle to keep his place in the centre if Agger makes a full recovery.
Yes, he's a die hard Liverpool man and nobody has a more heart & courage than him. But he's definitely lost a yard of pace and struggled with his form. The only thing I can say in his defence is that for the first half of the season he had Hyypia as a regular partner (& even Hobbs for one game) so he was really carrying the defence on his own. With Skrtel now settled in, and hopefully a fully fit Agger, there'll be less weight on Carragher's shoulders.
Agger has had a full season on the physio bench so there's no doubt Carragher will start the season beside Skrtel. But as Agger gets his sharpness back, there'll be serious competition for the centre back positions. And thats good news.
Reina, Carragher, Gerrard and Torres. Four certanties on the team sheet each week, and rightly so.
Quote from: corn02 on June 12, 2008, 09:26:43 AM
Reina, Carragher, Gerrard and Torres. Four certanties on the team sheet each week, and rightly so.
Add Mascherano to that list.
Was thinking that, but you know Rafa and his systems.
Quote from: stiffler on June 12, 2008, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 12, 2008, 09:26:43 AM
Reina, Carragher, Gerrard and Torres. Four certanties on the team sheet each week, and rightly so.
Add Mascherano to that list.
Stiffler, Corn,
With everyone fully fit, what would your starting backline be? (you can exclude degen as nobody has a monkey's what he's like)
Quote from: stiffler on June 12, 2008, 09:31:43 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 12, 2008, 09:26:43 AM
Reina, Carragher, Gerrard and Torres. Four certanties on the team sheet each week, and rightly so.
Add Mascherano to that list.
......and Voronin
Rafa wants Spanish Villa with Pool
Rafael Benitez reportedly wants to pair David Villa with Fernando Torres in Liverpool's attack - but has been warned he won't come cheap.
Villa combined with Torres to devastating effect with a hat-trick in Spain's 4-1 demolition of Russia in their opening Euro 2008 fixture on Tuesday.
And Reds boss Benitez is keen to see the pair wreak similar havoc on Premier League defences next season.
Torres took to England's top flight like a fish to water after moving from Atletico Madrid for £27million last summer - and Valencia director Juan Sanchez admits Villa's price tag will rise with every goal he scores at Euro 2008.
Villa looks destined to leave Los Che this summer, as the Primera Liga side's financial worries dictate that they will be required to reluctantly part with their biggest assets.
Villa certainly tops the list in the Mestalla sale and new Valencia boss Unai Emery can expect a busy close season as he sets about reshuffling his pack.
His star striker is valued in the region of around £17million, but that figure could rocket if he continues his electric form in Austria and Switzerland.
Villa's current employers are prepared to sit out a bidding war, with Sanchez revealing that the club will bide their time before deciding on the player's worth.
"He has a contract and is having a great Euro," the Spanish director said in The Sun. "We are calm and we hope he will continue to score many goals. You never know what will happen if we get offers.
"It's not a question of putting a price on him.
"What will come in the future will be assessed then."
Chelsea and Barcelona have also been linked with Villa, but it remains to be seen whether the Blues' interest will continue following the announcement that Luiz Felipe Scolari is set to become their new boss.
However, despite the growing speculation surrounding his future, the talented forward is refusing to be drawn on the issue until after Euro 2008.
"I'm not going to speak about my future until after the Championships," he insisted.
Starting defence for next season:
LB- Andrea Dossena
CB- Dan Agger
CB- Carragher
RB- Arbeola
Second string defence:
LB- Aurelio/Insua
CB- Hyppia/San Jose
CB- Skrtl/Hobbs
RB- Finnan/Degn
Riise has been linked with a £5mil deal to Roma, fingers crossed this goes through.
I think Carragher and Agger compliment each others style of play well, and formed a good solid partnership the year before last. Dossena is reported to be a quality full back, although i havnt seen much of him and the deal isnt 100% complete, i reckon he will still be better than what we currently have.
It hasnt been a lack of a solid defence that has put us out of the title race for the last few years, its been creativity from midfield and the wings.
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on June 12, 2008, 09:52:10 AM
Rafa wants Spanish Villa with Pool
Rafael Benitez reportedly wants to pair David Villa with Fernando Torres in Liverpool's attack - but has been warned he won't come cheap.
Villa combined with Torres to devastating effect with a hat-trick in Spain's 4-1 demolition of Russia in their opening Euro 2008 fixture on Tuesday.
And Reds boss Benitez is keen to see the pair wreak similar havoc on Premier League defences next season.
Torres took to England's top flight like a fish to water after moving from Atletico Madrid for £27million last summer - and Valencia director Juan Sanchez admits Villa's price tag will rise with every goal he scores at Euro 2008.
Villa looks destined to leave Los Che this summer, as the Primera Liga side's financial worries dictate that they will be required to reluctantly part with their biggest assets.
Villa certainly tops the list in the Mestalla sale and new Valencia boss Unai Emery can expect a busy close season as he sets about reshuffling his pack.
His star striker is valued in the region of around £17million, but that figure could rocket if he continues his electric form in Austria and Switzerland.
Villa's current employers are prepared to sit out a bidding war, with Sanchez revealing that the club will bide their time before deciding on the player's worth.
"He has a contract and is having a great Euro," the Spanish director said in The Sun. "We are calm and we hope he will continue to score many goals. You never know what will happen if we get offers.
"It's not a question of putting a price on him.
"What will come in the future will be assessed then."
Chelsea and Barcelona have also been linked with Villa, but it remains to be seen whether the Blues' interest will continue following the announcement that Luiz Felipe Scolari is set to become their new boss.
However, despite the growing speculation surrounding his future, the talented forward is refusing to be drawn on the issue until after Euro 2008.
"I'm not going to speak about my future until after the Championships," he insisted.
yea, I read that report earlier. Just more rubbish to make headlines in my opinion. Not one quote from Rafa in the whole article, says it all for me. And yet the Headline says "Rafa want spanish villa with pool". ::)
What paper is it from?
My back four would be the same as Stifflers. But if Skert; continue his, in my eyes, very good progress. I could live with Carra at RB.
Quote from: corn02 on June 12, 2008, 10:26:49 AM
What paper is it from?
My back four would be the same as Stifflers. But if Skert; continue his, in my eyes, very good progress. I could live with Carra at RB.
Not sure if it was in any paper but I read it on teamtalk.com. Is that where you got it from el cuervo?
I would honestly love to see skrtel & agger playing in the middle. Both are strong & have pace. Skrtel with his no-nonsense approach & Agger capable of bringing the ball forward with purpose. Could be a great partnership. Cant see it happenning for a while though (Skrtel still adapting to PL & Agger hasnt played for most of last season).
All Liverpool fans worship carragher but if we're really honest, the above pairing will be the future centre back partnership. Sure even without a fully fit Agger, Carragher was moved out from the centre for some key games last season. And if Dossena comes good at left back, then I'd have to play Arbeloa on the right.
Quote from: corn02 on June 12, 2008, 10:26:49 AM
What paper is it from?
My back four would be the same as Stifflers. But if Skert; continue his, in my eyes, very good progress. I could live with Carra at RB.
The only way I'd be happy with that is if Dossena plays well up the field so Carra can tuck in and make a 3 at the back. Carra offers very little going forward at rb, and I think it is a sin to play one of the best centre backs in Europe at rb
Carragher is a class above Skertl and Agger, the only reason he may be moved to RB is because he is good enough to play there.
From skysports.com:
Aston Villa have turned down Liverpool's latest bid to sign midfielder Gareth Barry.
Barry has emerged as Liverpool's leading transfer target of the summer, and have already had one bid rejected by their Premier League rivals.
However, Villa have confirmed that The Reds stepped up their interest on Wednesday evening only to have their second approach rebuffed once more.
A Villa spokesman said on the club's official website: "The offer was a slight improvement on a previous bid but our position on the issue remains unchanged and Liverpool have been informed."
The latest offer is reportedly in the region of £15million, but rumours claim Villa boss Martin O'Neill is holding out for a fee of £20million.
Time to move onto other targets if these rumours are true!
If we pay £20 million for Barry it is time to pack up the tents and go home.
Getting beyond a joke now.
20m is too much for a 28 year old. I could live with 13-15m but not 20m for a central midfielder who is prob in the same bracket as the players we have there already.
Call Villa's bluff and move on. Its no wonder teams go to Europe for players, English players are massively overpriced.
Put it l;ike this, it is just £5 less than David Villa's price tag.
Quote from: bingobus on June 12, 2008, 11:24:00 AM
Call Villa's bluff and move on.
I think you are forgetting that villa do not want to sell and will only do so if they can get extortionate money for him, no matter how much he cries about it. they'll get him for £16/17m
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: bingobus on June 12, 2008, 11:24:00 AM
Call Villa's bluff and move on.
I think you are forgetting that villa do not want to sell and will only do so if they can get extortionate money for him, no matter how much he cries about it. they'll get him for £16/17m
Perhaps Villa will let him "sit in the stands" rather than sell him Uladh.....
Quote from: corn02 on June 12, 2008, 11:33:44 AM
Put it l;ike this, it is just £5 less than David Villa's price tag.
Be better off keeping Alonso and spending the money on Villa.
Quote from: Minder on June 12, 2008, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: Uladh on June 12, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: bingobus on June 12, 2008, 11:24:00 AM
Call Villa's bluff and move on.
I think you are forgetting that villa do not want to sell and will only do so if they can get extortionate money for him, no matter how much he cries about it. they'll get him for £16/17m
Perhaps Villa will let him "sit in the stands" rather than sell him Uladh.....
No but they'll be happy enough to just have him keep playing for Villa. "They rate you gareth but not enough to meet our valuation"
Quote from: stevo-08 on June 12, 2008, 09:57:52 AM
yea, I read that report earlier. Just more rubbish to make headlines in my opinion. Not one quote from Rafa in the whole article, says it all for me. And yet the Headline says "Rafa want spanish villa with pool". ::)
But they forgot something?
Who, on the bench, did Villa run to when he scored his hat-trick?
TorresWho grabbed the match ball off the ref at the end of the game to give to Villa?
ReinaIts in the bag! ;D
As for Carra, yes he is the heart and soul of the team. But he made a large amount of defenisve mistakes last year, some cost us, some didnt, and some the ref missed, but nonetheless he made them. If Agger gets properly back, and if the Skirt progresses as he should, it will be a short time before Carragher is the third best centre back at the club. It will still be very tough to drop him....
20 million is a joke for Barry. It will be a grim summer if Liverpool spend their entire transfer budget on Barry and a couple of unknowns like Dossena and that Swiss boy. If O'Neill wants to hold on to him that badly, then Benitez should move on. He's not worth it. Liverpool need a two or three top-class players, either of Torres standard or at least with real potential like Babel, not more bargain-basement dross or overpriced English players.
totally agree. 20m is an absolute joke valuation. 15m is even too expensive, that'd go along way towards buying a quality player from the continent. Feel a bit sorry for Barry who obviously wants to play for Liverpool but he just aint worth that money. Time to move on.
Quote from: stevo-08 on June 12, 2008, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: corn02 on June 12, 2008, 10:26:49 AM
What paper is it from?
My back four would be the same as Stifflers. But if Skert; continue his, in my eyes, very good progress. I could live with Carra at RB.
Not sure if it was in any paper but I read it on teamtalk.com. Is that where you got it from el cuervo?
Yeah i got it from team talk. Pile of crap no doubt.
On the issue of Barry, O'Neill is just acting like a spoilt child. He's taking the Huff over the whole situation. On the BBC this morning it was saying the second offer was for around £13 million. That's about right for him, £15 mllion is a bit of a stretch though. I'd still like to see him in a liverpool shirt at the start of the season, but if Villa are gonna keep on the way they're acting then Rafa should concentrate his efforts somewhere else.
From the Daily Mirror
Martin O'Neil refuses to talk to Rafael Benitez over Barry row
Martin O'Neill has angrily broken off all contact with Liverpool after becoming infuriated by their dogged pursuit of Aston Villa skipper Gareth Barry.
The Villa boss is refusing to acknowledge attempts by Reds manager Rafa Benitez and chief executive Rick Parry to enter into any dialogue over Barry.
Liverpool only learned their third bid of £13m for the midfielder had been rejected yesterday through a curt fax.
O'Neill, usually so hands-on, has instructed Villa owner Randy Lerner's PA Paul Faulkner to field all communications from Anfield.
His stubborn tactics have left Liverpool officials exasperated as they hoped to finally buy Barry, 27, this week. And the star himself is getting increasingly despondent at the failure of the two clubs to resolve his future after he made it clear to O'Neill he wanted to go.
Liverpool are now reluctant to table a new bid for Barry while they have no insight into what O'Neill will accept for the versatile left-sided player.
And the ill-feeling at Villa - sparked by Benitez making public Liverpool's initial £10m offer for Barry on the eve of the penultimate game of the season - has only increased.
O'Neill has since slammed the Reds' Spanish manager in a tirade and even dropped Villa's former Liverpool midfielder Patrik Berger for recommending that Barry moves to his old club.
O'Neill is now trying to concentrate his energies on strengthening his squad as they kick-off their InterToto Cup campaign in five weeks.
Brazilian midfielder Paulo Assuncao, 28, who has bought out the final year of his contract at Porto, is a target.
Let Villa keep a player who doesnt want to play for them next season.
In my opinion, Barry over Alonso would improve the squad a little, but not enough to warrant the extra £6million or whatever from the transfer kitty.
Now my targets are as follows:
David Villa
A right winger, with pace and who can cross a ball
Players to go:
Finnan (surplus to requirements)
Crouch (need to sell to finance Villa)
Carson (Wants 1st team football)
Voronin (Renford Rejects are after him)
Pennant (just aint good enough)
Riise (been awful last 18months)
This may leave the squad light in a few places, but there is plenty of talent in the reserve squad to step up to the challenge. I would say that some of the younger players are better than the current squad fillers anyway.
Quote from: stiffler on June 13, 2008, 09:25:35 AM
Let Villa keep a player who doesnt want to play for them next season.
In my opinion, Barry over Alonso would improve the squad a little, but not enough to warrant the extra £6million or whatever from the transfer kitty.
Now my targets are as follows:
David Villa
A right winger, with pace and who can cross a ball
Players to go:
Finnan (surplus to requirements)
Crouch (need to sell to finance Villa)
Carson (Wants 1st team football)
Voronin (Renford Rejects are after him)
Pennant (just aint good enough)
Riise (been awful last 18months)
This may leave the squad light in a few places, but there is plenty of talent in the reserve squad to step up to the challenge. I would say that some of the younger players are better than the current squad fillers anyway.
David Villa is not a right winger, he is a striker (got a hat trick the other day for Spain v Russia). He would be a great asset for Liverpool and would settle well with Torres but I'd say his price will be sky high after the other day.
Quote from: glens73 on June 13, 2008, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: stiffler on June 13, 2008, 09:25:35 AM
Let Villa keep a player who doesnt want to play for them next season.
In my opinion, Barry over Alonso would improve the squad a little, but not enough to warrant the extra £6million or whatever from the transfer kitty.
Now my targets are as follows:
David Villa
A right winger, with pace and who can cross a ball
Players to go:
Finnan (surplus to requirements)
Crouch (need to sell to finance Villa)
Carson (Wants 1st team football)
Voronin (Renford Rejects are after him)
Pennant (just aint good enough)
Riise (been awful last 18months)
This may leave the squad light in a few places, but there is plenty of talent in the reserve squad to step up to the challenge. I would say that some of the younger players are better than the current squad fillers anyway.
David Villa is not a right winger, he is a striker (got a hat trick the other day for Spain v Russia). He would be a great asset for Liverpool and would settle well with Torres but I'd say his price will be sky high after the other day.
I think I know that, that why i said my
targets are as follows.
I want Liverpool to sign David Villa for up front and a right winger to compete with Dirk Kuyt for that position. Unless Chelsea go in for him, he wont cost more than £25 million.
Ha, must say I was with Glens boyo there when misreading that.
On current rumours the door will smash off the hinges the amount of coming and going.
I agree with the Stiff man in that the focus should be on these players. If we assume that half the budget (£8m) has been spent on Dossena that leaves about £12m according to reports I have read. Leave Barry at Villa and keep Alonso, net gain of £4-5m on current Sun valuations :P Sell the following,
Crouch £10m
Carson £6m
Riise £5m
Finnan £2m
Pennant £4m
Idtanje £2m(apparaently Fulham are interested and Rafa will let him go)
Voronin a packet of Cheese and Onion Tayto and a Pint of Stout(or £2m if we can get that)
These are not unreasonable expectations, so added to the the apparent transfer budget surplus that leaves £43m. Pay £25m for Villa, get a serious right winger for £15m and get an experienced 2nd keeper a la Harper at Newcastle. Give Nemeth,Spearing,Plessis and Insua more game time in the first team and you have a serious squad. Or maybe I am living in dreamland!
Quote from: stiffler on June 13, 2008, 09:41:14 AM
Quote from: glens73 on June 13, 2008, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: stiffler on June 13, 2008, 09:25:35 AM
Let Villa keep a player who doesnt want to play for them next season.
In my opinion, Barry over Alonso would improve the squad a little, but not enough to warrant the extra £6million or whatever from the transfer kitty.
Now my targets are as follows:
David Villa
A right winger, with pace and who can cross a ball
Players to go:
Finnan (surplus to requirements)
Crouch (need to sell to finance Villa)
Carson (Wants 1st team football)
Voronin (Renford Rejects are after him)
Pennant (just aint good enough)
Riise (been awful last 18months)
This may leave the squad light in a few places, but there is plenty of talent in the reserve squad to step up to the challenge. I would say that some of the younger players are better than the current squad fillers anyway.
David Villa is not a right winger, he is a striker (got a hat trick the other day for Spain v Russia). He would be a great asset for Liverpool and would settle well with Torres but I'd say his price will be sky high after the other day.
I think I know that, that why i said my targets are as follows.
I want Liverpool to sign David Villa for up front and a right winger to compete with Dirk Kuyt for that position. Unless Chelsea go in for him, he wont cost more than £25 million.
Sorry Stiffler, misread your comment.
I still think Villa will be too dear. Even if Chelski don't go for him I'd say one if not both of the Milan clubs may go for him. They'll be overhauling their squads in the summer and I'd say they would be interested in a player of his quality.
I'm not sure who Liverpool could get if they can't afford him. Mario Gomez for Germany was Budelsiga player of the year last year and scored 6 in his first 10 German caps. I know he's not been brilliant so far in the Euro's but I'd say he could be a good option as Liverpool need a big man with Crouch probably going.
So who for winger. I have always been impressed by Quaresma and Mancini but the one I want is Bentley.
Bentley would be number 1 choice with either of the two others or Simao
Forgot about Simao, good call.
Totally agree with your post a couple up btw. Especially the likes of Nemneth etc.
I also had a bit of a thought about how to get rid of Carson and get Harper. If Given is Arsenal bound, offer Carson for £6m and Harper and I think mad KK would take it.
Im not sure about Quaresma, he is either brilliant or s8ite, there is no middle ground. Not sure he would relish going to Wigan in December.......
Quote from: Minder on June 13, 2008, 11:07:21 AM
Im not sure about Quaresma, he is either brilliant or s8ite, there is no middle ground. Not sure he would relish going to Wigan in December.......
agree with that. And Quaresma aint a "Rafa Style" player. If the Barry deal goes south, which it looks like, I'd expect Rafa to go for Bentley.
Please go south then.
£14 mill agreed for Alonso which means we will probably cough up 18 -odd mill for Barry. ::)
To swop Barry for Alonso and £4m (Technically) would be great business IMHO.
I think yousons will be on here singing his praises in September!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 13, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
To swop Barry for Alonso and £4m (Technically) would be great business IMHO.
I think yousons will be on here singing his praises in September!
Totally agree with Norf I think ye are all being very harsh on Barry
I think he would be a excellent player for Liverpool and 15mill+ is worth it imho
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 13, 2008, 04:17:17 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 13, 2008, 04:11:19 PM
To swop Barry for Alonso and £4m (Technically) would be great business IMHO.
I think yousons will be on here singing his praises in September!
Totally agree with Norf I think ye are all being very harsh on Barry
I think he would be a excellent player for Liverpool and 15mill+ is worth it imho
Lads, Barry is 27 and has barely broken into the England team/squad. He's a good player but 15-20m is daylight robbery. I'd imagine bentley would be in that same valuation, and he's only 24 and a better player in my opinion.
unfortunately alonso has been in very poor form for the last 18mths but mark my wors, he'll be an absolute star for Juve in Italy. Best of luck to him.
Barely broke into the English squad? That's hardly a hanging matter. This is squads picked by Sven, and MacLaren. Hardly a pair with a great record for Engerland?
I just think he'd do the shoveling to let Gerard do what he does, but if he had to change a game and power forward in tandem he'd do that too.
I hope you are all proved right btw.
In fairness though stevo look who he is up against in the English team Lampard and Gerrard
Also i don't think its a fair reflection on a player to judge him on his England caps..Look at Rio Ferdinand ffs how many more caps has he than Carra? An we know Carra is a far better player than Rio..
The English team are huge failure and just because Barry isn't being capped too often wouldn't really bother me
ok fair enough, making the England team isnt the best way to judge the player. But to be valued at 15-20m puts him in the same bracket as mascherano, hargreaves etc who are all well recognised internationals. and also, one of Barry's qualities is that he is flexible and can play wide on the left. Thats been a huge problem area for England for years so you'd think if he was good enough, he'd have made more appearances than he has (although i accept the sven/mclaren argument).
just to point out that I do highly rate the player and would love to see him in a liverpool jersey. But unfortunately we aint Man U or chelsea and dont have that sort of money to throw around. He's a quality player but for 15-20m, we can do alot better.
one thing for sure, im hope this doesnt go on like the Heinze saga last year.
If that is agreed and Alonso agrees terms, then so be it, I personally would rather Xavi stayed but Barry is a decent replacement. That being said we could still do the business that I spoke of earlier and I think they should go all out to get Villa and Bentley too and sell to fund it.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 13, 2008, 05:50:33 PM
If that is agreed and Alonso agrees terms, then so be it, I personally would rather Xavi stayed but Barry is a decent replacement. That being said we could still do the business that I spoke of earlier and I think they should go all out to get Villa and Bentley too and sell to fund it.
Barry, Villa & Bentley. Would love to see that happen but seriously cant see it.
Barry will happen, Bentley, maybe, according to a number of sources rafa has been in discussions with Valencia for a number of months about a player, Villa, Sila Joquain who knows?
Not as confident as you about Barry coming. 3 bids rejected - Rafa's bound to be pissed off with that. Rightly so in my opinion.
But I'd be happy with 1 of Barry/Bentley + 1 of Villa/Silva/Joaquin.
Barry, Villa, & Bentley plus those two other lads would be a good summer's business.
£14m for Xavi
£5m for Riise
£2m for Pennant is the best we could hope for
Peachy bum off the pay roll £60k a week (good riddance)
I will be sad to see Xavi and Riise go in some ways and good luck to them both.
Aston Villa will need to be careful with Barry. If Liverpool pull out Villa will have a seriously pissed off player on their books who might just sit out his contract for a bosman.
think pennant for £2MILLION would be good business for a team like boro, has potential but not good enough for liverpool. getting £5 for riise on the last 18 months evidence aint likely. i can see the following leaving: crouch £10mil, carson £7mil, riise £3mil,xavi£14 mil,. leaves £34 million pounds. barry for £15, leaves £19 pls maybe another £10 from transfer kitty.
think downing coud be a good option for the left wing though no doubt it would be the same scenario as barry inflAted price due to nationality. Having £30 million could be a big problem trying get the 3 ingredients we need to mount serious title challenge. 2 wingers and a front man! think at this stage could be another season of dissapointment esp with big phil rumoured to be getting£100 million, and rafa hasnt exactly been a wenger in the transfr market picking up players for £3 million and below and turning them into stars
Forget about Carson & Crouch :-[ A bit early
Quote from: stevo-08 on June 13, 2008, 07:18:47 PM
Not as confident as you about Barry coming. 3 bids rejected - Rafa's bound to be pissed off with that. Rightly so in my opinion.
But I'd be happy with 1 of Barry/Bentley + 1 of Villa/Silva/Joaquin.
I'd agree with everything you say apart from Joaquin, he's went down hill big style in the last 2 years. Take him out for Quresma and I'd be happy.
Yes he's not a rafa style player but we have too many workers and not enough flair, we need to take a gamble
the barry situation reminds me of the simao one a few years ago where benfica fucked about upping their price in the end rafa went for pennant, good ddecision in hindsight!! :-[
Be nice to have a suitable home for the number 7 jersey too!
But unfortunately I think its all dreamland stuff...
See Bentley has his bags pretty much packed at Blackburn. Been impressed with him over past few seasons, much more consistent.
What sort of money should we goin for him at?. Barry situation is lingering and dont believe we should be forking out the money Villa are demanding!!
just had a quick look at next years fixtures. a difficult start for Liverpool
in first 9 games, we have villa(a), man u(h), everton(a), man city(a), chelsea(a).
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7677/torresvilla2ft7.jpg)
Anyone see Whelan and Souness on about Torres leaving cos Liverpool are up to their eyes in debt? I'm sure United would give ye a good price for him out of the Ronaldo proceeds. Ye could have Saha as well. :D
It would never happen in a million years.
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Saturday, 23 August 2008
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Saturday, 30 August 2008
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Rumours
Liverpool have accepted an offer of £4m for John Arne Riise, while negotiations about Xabi Alonso's sale to Juventus are ongoing. (The Guardian)
Middlesbrough boss Gareth Southgate has issued a hands-off warning to Liverpool over Stewart Downing, saying the England winger is "not for sale". (Daily Express)
England midfielder David Bentley has opened the door for a £15m transfer after admitting he wants to quit Blackburn - and Liverpool, Tottenham, Manchester City and Aston Villa are all keen to sign him. (Various)
Liverpool are poised to table a fourth offer for Aston Villa midfielder Gareth Barry, with the clubs expected to strike a deal this week. (Daily Mirror)
great fixtures if we're still in the running at the end
Spurs & newcastle home, west brom, west ham & hull away
Hicks laughs off Torres sale talk
Torres scored 33 goals in his first season for Liverpool
Liverpool will not allow striker Fernando Torres to leave at any price, says the club's co-owner Tom Hicks.
Chelsea are said to be considering a £50m offer for the 24-year-old but Hicks made it clear Torres would not be joining Chelsea or anyone else.
"There is no price at which we would consider selling Fernando Torres," said Hicks. "The Chelsea rumours in the media are total rubbish."
Torres recently said: "I'm very happy at Liverpool and want to carry on."
The Spain striker was at the centre of speculation that he was a top target for new Chelsea boss Luiz Felipe Scolari, along with AC Milan's Brazil superstar Kaka.
But Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry told BBC Sport last week: "Fernando Torres is just not for sale to anyone. It is as simple as that, really - he is not going anywhere."
Torres took the Premier League by storm last season, scoring 33 goals after his £20m move to Liverpool from boyhood club Atletico Madrid.
And he is currently delivering impressive performances for Spain at Euro 2008, where he said last week: "I have no intention of leaving. We have to focus our energies to give the little step we need to get to the top teams."
From BBC..
:o :o :D
I see Maik Taylor was offered a 1 year contract as No. 2 at Liverpool but turned it down for a 2 year stay at Birmingham. Would have been an improvement on Charles Intandje, good experience and secure No.2. Has his wobbles but can see why Rafa went for him as a back-up tp Reina.
Also appears JAR is heading closing to the door. Sooner rid the better. Became stale and rather crap this last 3 years.
Villa has came out and said there has been no contact with any club and that he is not thinking about his future atm. Tbh I really cant see Rafa splashing out on him anyway.
Quote from: Stalin on June 18, 2008, 04:38:33 PM
Villa has came out and said there has been no contact with any club and that he is not thinking about his future atm. Tbh I really cant see Rafa splashing out on him anyway.
Well by all accounts he wants to stay in Spain although I do believe Liverpool are interested in him. I certainly think we would be in a good position to sign him if he did leave Spain due to the Benitez and Torres factor. The fact that he's probably put another 10 million on top of his transfer fee at the Euros doesn't help either. We'd probably have to sell Alonso, Crouch and Carson to be able to afford just him.
Quote from: bingobus on June 18, 2008, 02:25:16 PM
I see Maik Taylor was offered a 1 year contract as No. 2 at Liverpool but turned it down for a 2 year stay at Birmingham. Would have been an improvement on Charles Intandje, good experience and secure No.2. Has his wobbles but can see why Rafa went for him as a back-up tp Reina.
Also appears JAR is heading closing to the door. Sooner rid the better. Became stale and rather crap this last 3 years.
I agree that he would have been good cover for Pepe.
From a Norn Iron point of view I'm glad he is staying with Birmingham because he will still get regular games. I wonder if Liverpool had offered him 2 years would he have taken the move?
Quote from: Chrisowc on June 18, 2008, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: bingobus on June 18, 2008, 02:25:16 PM
I see Maik Taylor was offered a 1 year contract as No. 2 at Liverpool but turned it down for a 2 year stay at Birmingham. Would have been an improvement on Charles Intandje, good experience and secure No.2. Has his wobbles but can see why Rafa went for him as a back-up tp Reina.
Also appears JAR is heading closing to the door. Sooner rid the better. Became stale and rather crap this last 3 years.
I agree that he would have been good cover for Pepe.
From a Norn Iron point of view I'm glad he is staying with Birmingham because he will still get regular games. I wonder if Liverpool had offered him 2 years would he have taken the move?
And if your auntie had balls, (s)he would be your uncle.
what?
Quote from: fred the red on June 18, 2008, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on June 18, 2008, 05:23:19 PM
Quote from: bingobus on June 18, 2008, 02:25:16 PM
I see Maik Taylor was offered a 1 year contract as No. 2 at Liverpool but turned it down for a 2 year stay at Birmingham. Would have been an improvement on Charles Intandje, good experience and secure No.2. Has his wobbles but can see why Rafa went for him as a back-up tp Reina.
Also appears JAR is heading closing to the door. Sooner rid the better. Became stale and rather crap this last 3 years.
I agree that he would have been good cover for Pepe.
From a Norn Iron point of view I'm glad he is staying with Birmingham because he will still get regular games. I wonder if Liverpool had offered him 2 years would he have taken the move?
And if your auntie had balls, (s)he would be your uncle.
What you on about ???
As Roma have signed John Arne Riise on a four year deal.I got a text alert from Liverpool FC confirming this
Was a great player for the first few seasons but went off the boil the last couple..
Will always be remembered for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzpAyzEkyRs&feature=related In my opinion the best free kick goal ever in the Premiership..
And here's one thats just as good with Amercian take on the commentry :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2d-QrnFgA&feature=related
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7461405.stm
So long JAR
We'll always have this
(http://i28.tinypic.com/2uq2bk1.jpg)
Great memories Gab :D :D
Not many others in the PL I suppose
Unreal man for shooting. Whole-hearted and a real team player. May have gone off the boil in the last 18 months but he will always be fondly remembered..."John Arne Riise, oh ah, I wanna knooooow how you scored that goal"
PS Gab nice photo :P
Great left peg, shame he couldnt leave it behind him. His defencive liabilities eventually caught up with him!!
New away kit. Tribute to the old grey Candy one by the looks of it.
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/splash/images/pre-order-awaykit.jpg)
Not sure what to think of it, but why haven't they the 'carlsberg' logo in red also??
Anyone see Alonso's performance for Spain last night? Was top drawer, unlucky not to score 2 / 3 goals, some superb long range shooting.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2008, 01:02:14 AM
New away kit. Tribute to the old grey Candy one by the looks of it.
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/splash/images/pre-order-awaykit.jpg)
Jaysis im not sure about that...
Defiantly a throwback to the old Candy jersey made famous by the likes of John Barnes,Glenn Hysen and John Aldridge!
I'm liking the new away kit, very retro. Memories of the opening day of the 87 or 88 season away to Arsenal. Barnes tight shorts, Aldo's tash and him banging in a couple on his debut, some team that season, never see the likes of it again. 29 unbeaten until the toffes got one over us.
I see that Brazil and the Argies drew 0-0 last night. Big thing though was an injury to Anderson following a tackle by Masch. Early reports are that it could be serious enough. Would be a big miss to united.
Quote from: bingobus on June 19, 2008, 11:32:31 AM
I'm liking the new away kit, very retro. Memories of the opening day of the 87 or 88 season away to Arsenal. Barnes tight shorts, Aldo's tash and him banging in a couple on his debut, some team that season, never see the likes of it again. 29 unbeaten until the toffes got one over us.
I see that Brazil and the Argies drew 0-0 last night. Big thing though was an injury to Anderson following a tackle by Masch. Early reports are that it could be serious enough. Would be a big miss to united.
:-* :-*
Yeah I remember that first day at the library. Didn't Stevie Nichol score a header from outside box?
I wonder did Monster Mach have a score to settle after Steve Bennett's five minutes of fame?
Lads how did we get 4million for JAR?
Love the away one, very retro. I found a carna transport Armagh jersey that I would consider wearing to Clones but people will probably think Im a cheap bastard rather than being 'hip'.
BTW why are Spurs and Villa in a race for Bentley and not us.
Does anyone know the site were you can check odds on what club players will be at next season? Loney had them last week.
That's a serious nice kit
The keeper one looks great too
Anyone any views on Arshavin, the Russian striker, who scored last night. Good player, if not a out and out striker. Was impressive for Zenit St Petersburg as well this year.
Seems to play in a role behind the striker and is very clever on the ball and reading other players runs. Could link up very well with Torres.
Few clubs linked with him - Newcastle, Everton ;D, Arsenal.
Prob cost 10-12m but may be value for it, as I don't think Villa is a realistic target in his price range and others who may be after him.
Not too many Eastern European strikers have been a hit in the Prem, Rebrov and Shenchekeno (sp?).
Bentley, Bentley, Bentley.
Eto anyone?
Quote from: corn02 on June 19, 2008, 11:41:39 AM
Lads how did we get 4million for JAR?
Love the away one, very retro. I found a carna transport Armagh jersey that I would consider wearing to Clones but people will probably think Im a cheap bastard rather than being 'hip'.
BTW why are Spurs and Villa in a race for Bentley and not us.
Does anyone know the site were you can check odds on what club players will be at next season? Loney had them last week.
I think we are definitely in for Bentley. But blackburn are waiting until the manager position is sorted before discussing any players. He is eager to play CL next season so cant see him going to spurs/villa. I'd be quite confident we'll see bentley in Liverpool colours next season.
QuoteGillett - Time is a healer
Reds co-owners begin to build bridges
George Gillett has revealed that he and fellow Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks are attempting to rebuild their strained business relationship.
The American duo endured a much-publicised bust-up last season and Gillett, who is thought to be keen to sell his share in the Reds, went as far as to describe the partnership as 'unworkable'.
However, Gillett now insists that he and Hicks are attempting to build bridges in order to help Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez mount a realistic challenge for the Premier League next season.
"It's fair to say that communication between the Hicks and the Gilletts has been substantially improved and I believe that it will be for the benefit of the club," Gillett told Canadian radio station Fan590.
Responsibility
"Time is a healer and there were things that had happened previously. It took a while for both of us to realise that we weren't communicating very well and the huge responsibility we have to the fans to do the right thing for the club.
"I believe that the Hicks family are communicating better with us and we're communicating better with them and I think that will be much better for the club."
However, Gillett refused to give a direct answer when asked if he was still interested in selling his share, saying: "I'm not going to comment on anything specifically."
Gillett, though, expects improvements next season and has hinted that Benitez will be supported in the transfer market, where Aston Villa captain Gareth Barry is a top target.
Transfer window
"All of us are focused on the transfer window and we want to be ready for that," added Gillett.
"We want to have adequate resources and good communication with Rafa and our hope is that we're making better progress.
"For a club that has a history of winning trophies, any season that you don't win one of the five or six trophies that we compete for, I suspect the fans, as well as the Hicks and Gilletts, are disappointed.
"We have to help Rafa try and be more competitive in the chase for the Premier League."
Hopefully the new found bon hommie will help loosen the purse strings.
A good development as even when ready to throttle each other , they would not sell.
There is no a lot of jigging needed.
Full-backs are hopefully sorted.
Keep Alonso, forget Barry.
Get in Bentley and Silva, Babel and Kuyt as back-up.
Sign Eto for under £20million. All in for £45 million.
4 million on Riise, 9 on Crouch, 5 carson, 3 pennant. Thats 20million-odd. Budget only needs to be £20 for the window then.
I agree with you there about the purchases corn. I have a funny feeling Alonso will stay, the whole thing with Barry has gone stale and Rafa will not hang around. My concern though is that of the £20m budget apparently available £8 m is set aside for Dosena(£5m up front with staged payments after that), they would get a few million for the sub keeper.
Did you notice that the same day that Rafa apparently backed off the £20 million tag for Barry that Alonso was quoted as saying he wanted to be at Liverpool next year? A clea indication for me that Barry will not be coming.
Quote from: corn02 on June 20, 2008, 03:28:57 PM
Did you notice that the same day that Rafa apparently backed off the £20 million tag for Barry that Alonso was quoted as saying he wanted to be at Liverpool next year? A clea indication for me that Barry will not be coming.
That's what I am getting at. Both parties don't want to close off their respective avenues but I think he will stay. I will be glad if he does as I think he simply has gone off the boil form wise but that he could be a big player next season.
Agreed. I hate the way people think he has become poor because he hasn't scored from his own half in a while. His form has dipped no question, but when you are not getting a run in the tema it is hard to get momentum going. The man has the capability to be one of the best in the Premiership, one of my favourite players.
Team which would be nice for next season:
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Kuyt Mascherano Alonso Silva
Gerrard
Torres
Couldn't really argue against that. A player who might fit in nicely is Arse-Shaving, the Ruskie, but he could be a Rebrov instead of a Kanchelskis so might be too big of a gamble.
I don't think Alonso ever said he wanted to leave and it was Rafa pushing for it. As a straight swap I could take Barry for Alonso, who's form has dipped in recent seasons. At 20m, never for a older player. Maybe Alonso will stay and see this summer as a wake up call and start pulling the strings again.
Not overly sure of Silva, a bit lightweight and maybe another Garcia who's ball retention was infamous at times. But he did deliver on the big stages. Expensive too.
Corn - no sign of a striker in list with Crouch going. Would you see Kuty and Babel as back up for Torres?
Also, you forget to factor in the "Buy Crouch, get Voronin free and 10% discount" sale ;D
Quote from: corn02 on June 20, 2008, 03:23:22 PM
A good development as even when ready to throttle each other , they would not sell.
There is no a lot of jigging needed.
Full-backs are hopefully sorted.
Keep Alonso, forget Barry.
Get in Bentley and Silva, Babel and Kuyt as back-up.
Sign Eto for under £20million. All in for £45 million.
4 million on Riise, 9 on Crouch, 5 carson, 3 pennant. Thats 20million-odd. Budget only needs to be £20 for the window then.
You'd missed the bus to Bingo if you eyesight is that bad!!!!
;)
Missed the bus....I stood out in front of it and got ran over!!!
;D
Back to the point though, couldn't see Eto making an impact. Would take that Russian Arshevian (sp?), younger and half the price. Could see him and Torres as the new Beardsley and Rush/Aldo.
I feel the same way about Eto as I do about Alonso. One or two quiet seasons does not turn them into a bad player. Two years ago we would of beeing chomping at the bit and now we are doubting him?
Quote from: corn02 on June 20, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
I feel the same way about Eto as I do about Alonso. One or two quiet seasons does not turn them into a bad player. Two years ago we would of beeing chomping at the bit and now we are doubting him?
I would consider been let go by Barcalona as a sign of a player on the way down, either his appetite or attitude isn't what it should be or perhaps the manager just has his own ideas with the younger generation at Barca coming through.
I agree that he was a class act but that was some team in played with. Would he have the head/guts to play in a Rafa team? Same way that Ronaldhino was class and top of most peoples list 2 years ago. Its no co-incidence that City are the only club interested it would seem.
Etoo's performance against United at Old Trafford was pathetic, if he had of been on his game they would have tanked United. Messi was running rings round United players but Etoo wouldnt make a run, lazy f**ker........
good hear americand are building bridges!could give rafa more money. eto'o linke with inter dont know if would want him or not. mae of mine said arshavin has a bu out clause of £10million. dont know if he would cutit in the prem though.eastern europeans with bigger names havent e.g. sheva/rebrov.
bein lined with milner is the worst!just another average signing pennant mark 2 imo.
all the papers where saying silva yesterday think hwe would be good addition we need a couple of playes that can beat men!!
I thought we had been priced out off Milner. I was hoping Newcastle had shot themselves in the foot with over pricing. Rafa's not still after him is he? :(
I hope not!! Dont think he would be much of an addition
I can't really see how he would be a great addition for us. It's not as if he was brilliant for Newcastle, he showed glimpses of what he could do, but usually ended up trying to trun a player 3 or 4 times instead of crossing the ball at the first opportunity
What about Robbie Fowler back on a pay per play deal?
You having a laugh??
So who is on the wishlist then?
Word this morning is Podolski is looking to leave Bayern?
Engelaar
Pavylechencho (sp)
Davild Sillva?
Anoyone else?
What are the realistic targets?
EDIT: Sorry about the spelling, was in a rush!
Who the f**k is Engleaar?
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 12:50:10 PM
Who the f**k is Engleaar?
The big lanky fella plays in midfield for Holland, his spelling is atrocious in those three names.
Quote from: Whacker on June 23, 2008, 11:30:18 AM
So who is on the wishlist then?
Word this morning is Podolski is looking to leave Bayern?
Engelaar
Pavylechencho (sp)
Davild Sevilla?
Anoyone else?
What are the realistic targets?
Is Davild Sevilla the love child of David Villa and David Silva????? ;D
I like Silva but hes a whiny wee diver, he'd probably be killed in the premier!
Quote from: Midman on June 23, 2008, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: Whacker on June 23, 2008, 11:30:18 AM
So who is on the wishlist then?
Word this morning is Podolski is looking to leave Bayern?
Engelaar
Pavylechencho (sp)
Davild Sevilla?
Anoyone else?
What are the realistic targets?
Is Davild Sevilla the love child of David Villa and David Silva????? ;D
I like Silva but hes a whiny wee diver, he'd probably be killed in the premier!
Ronaldo has prospered.....
Great to see Villa mention Liverpool as well as Chelsea as potential new clubs.
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 04:25:23 PM
Great to see Villa mention Liverpool as well as Chelsea as potential new clubs.
Bit of a Difference. One makes up the numbers while the other pushes for top spot!!
Spain star Villa set to snub Spurs as he admits Liverpool and Chelsea hold a lot of appeal
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 1:23 PM on 23rd June 2008
Tottenham appear to have little hope of signing David Villa from Valencia after the Spain striker referred to Premier League rivals Liverpool and Chelsea as potentially attractive destinations.
It has been reported that they have agreed a £20m fee with the financially-troubled Spanish club, but Valencia are asking for over £31m and the striker himself would prefer a move to Real Madrid or Barcelona.
Euro 2008 top-scorer Villa, whose Spain side edged past Italy and into the semi-finals on penalties against Italy in Vienna last night, is quoted as saying: "Liverpool and Chelsea are both big clubs with lots of attraction.
"Liverpool have a Spanish coach and I have lots of friends there. But it's not something I'm thinking about. My focus now is on making sure Spain do well.
"This is not the time to be thinking about my personal future."
John Barnes reckons we should go for Eto,not so sure myself always looks like a lazy,moody type of player
Villa would be great,A winger is needed too but as the money doesn't seem to be there for all top class players how about someone like Stuart Downing?
I think he is a decent player,certainly a better option than Milner imo
Quote from: EC Unique on June 23, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 04:25:23 PM
Great to see Villa mention Liverpool as well as Chelsea as potential new clubs.
Bit of a Difference. One makes up the numbers while the other pushes for top spot!!
Your on form these days, just worry about your top player trying to flee.
Quote from: Minder on June 23, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: Midman on June 23, 2008, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: Whacker on June 23, 2008, 11:30:18 AM
So who is on the wishlist then?
Word this morning is Podolski is looking to leave Bayern?
Engelaar
Pavylechencho (sp)
Davild Sevilla?
Anoyone else?
What are the realistic targets?
Is Davild Sevilla the love child of David Villa and David Silva????? ;D
I like Silva but hes a whiny wee diver, he'd probably be killed in the premier!
Ronaldo has prospered.....
Thats true but as well as being a whiny wee diver Ronaldo is also very physically strong, something Silva isnt
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 23, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 04:25:23 PM
Great to see Villa mention Liverpool as well as Chelsea as potential new clubs.
Bit of a Difference. One makes up the numbers while the other pushes for top spot!!
Your on form these days, just worry about your top player trying to flee.
Like I said before we won before him and will win after him... If he goes we should have lots of dosh to buy who ever we want. If he stays we sould win plenty as well. Not a bad position ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on June 23, 2008, 05:46:08 PM
Like I said before we won before him and will win after him... If he goes we should have lots of dosh to buy who ever we want. If he stays we sould win plenty as well. Not a bad position ;)
Not a bad position? Do not try and say it is not a massive blow for United. 42 goals can not be replaced.
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 23, 2008, 05:46:08 PM
Like I said before we won before him and will win after him... If he goes we should have lots of dosh to buy who ever we want. If he stays we sould win plenty as well. Not a bad position ;)
Not a bad position? Do not try and say it is not a massive blow for United. 42 goals can not be replaced.
Def a massive blow :-[ But with the money he makes we should be able to buy 2 20 goal a season players at least ;D
SHOCKING NEWS RE RIISE THIS MORNING
Transfer to Roma has fallen through after the results of his second medical where reviewed. They still haven't located his right foot ;D ;D
From Daily Mirror
Liverpool will have funds to bid for David VIlla and David Silva
Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has assured manager Rafa Benitez that money will be made available for transfers this summer.
And that could see the Spanish coach granted his dream of being able to bid for Euro 2008 superstars David Villa and David Silva.
Texan tycoon Hicks is hoping to persuade his business partner George Gillett that the time has come to invest in the Anfield club in search of massive future profits.
Benitez was resigned to raising his own cash by selling players and has been looking in the bargain basement for signings.
But if he can offload the likes of Xabi Alonso, Peter Crouch and Scott Carson, he would need about another £20million to at least join the bidding for Villa and Silva.
There is no guarantee, of course, that he would get the pair. It seems that Hicks wants to at least try to raise some cash to allow Benitez to enter the transfer market because he believes a successful Liverpool will be a more viable financial proposition.
Liverpool rejected Portsmouth's £9m bid for striker Crouch yesterday.
They are holding out for at least £12m.
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on June 25, 2008, 08:56:59 AM
From Daily Mirror
Liverpool will have funds to bid for David VIlla and David Silva
Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has assured manager Rafa Benitez that money will be made available for transfers this summer.
And that could see the Spanish coach granted his dream of being able to bid for Euro 2008 superstars David Villa and David Silva.
Texan tycoon Hicks is hoping to persuade his business partner George Gillett that the time has come to invest in the Anfield club in search of massive future profits.
Benitez was resigned to raising his own cash by selling players and has been looking in the bargain basement for signings.
But if he can offload the likes of Xabi Alonso, Peter Crouch and Scott Carson, he would need about another £20million to at least join the bidding for Villa and Silva.
There is no guarantee, of course, that he would get the pair. It seems that Hicks wants to at least try to raise some cash to allow Benitez to enter the transfer market because he believes a successful Liverpool will be a more viable financial proposition.
Liverpool rejected Portsmouth's £9m bid for striker Crouch yesterday.
They are holding out for at least £12m.
Rafa playing a dangerous game with crouch. He's only one year left on his contract, so if Rafa's not careful he could be left with Crouch, giving him another 7 starts in the PL and let him go free next summer. He may be worth more than 9m, but I think Rafa should have accepted it.
As for Villa, Silva and the other big names, I'd expect all the fun & games of the summer transfers to really start when the euros are finished.
I could see Crouch go for £10 million. I would like to see him leave anyway, he deserves a bit of football.
Crouch will got for 11 or so.
Valued at 15 - first bid 9, next prob 10.5, then finnally agree on 11.5
hope yiz are right. personaly i think pompey are mad to offer that money when they could hold out until january, when crouch would be entitled to talk to clubs about a free transfer in the summer. did a similar situation not arise when we sold owen? I think he went for about 8m in the end, and he was one of the top strikers around at that time.
Liverpool have agreed a deal with Herfolge to sign Nikola Saric on a three-year contract despite reported rival interest from Tottenham and Barcelona.
The 17-year-old starlet is heading to Anfield after Rafa Benitez tied up the deal personally, which surprised the Danish club.
All that remains is for Saric to put pen-to-paper on his contract at Anfield but he has already expressed his delight at clinching the move.
"'This is Rafa' he said," recalled sports director Per Rud to the club's official website when asked about how the transfer came about. "I almost thought it was a lie!
"We are pleased and proud that Nikola has gone to one of the world's best football clubs. We would have liked to have earned more money from Nikola but his injury and the fact that his contract expired in the New Year made it difficult.
"Liverpool acted extremely well in all cases and knew all the details. They have been fair in the process and could've waited until the New Year but they will have him over now."
Saric, a technically gifted left-footed number 10, is enthusiastic about linking up with the superstars of the first team on Merseyside.
"It is a unique opportunity for me," the Denmark Under-18 international informed Dagbladet Koge.
"I will train with the big names over there and there is time for me to develop at reserve level.
"I am very pleased with the development as it has been a very tough season for me."
Herfolge claimed on their official website that Spurs, Barca and Charlton wanted the talented striker, who is reckoned to be one of their best-ever players, after offering him trials.
REDS CLOSING ON DOSSENA DEAL
Jimmy Rice 26 June 2008
Liverpool Football Club expect to complete the signing of left-back Andrea Dossena next week, chief executive Rick Parry has confirmed.
A deal to bring the 26-year-old Udinese defender to Anfield is almost complete and is likely to be confirmed on the club's official website shortly.
Parry said: "We are now ready to confirm the signing of Dossena. The deal should go through next week after finalising the paperwork."
The full-back, who has one international cap to his name, will become the second new addition to Rafa Benitez's squad following the free transfer of Swiss defender Philipp Degen.
Dossena is seen as an ideal replacement for John Arne Riise, who departed for Serie A side Roma last week.
Parry continued: "John was an incredibly enthusiastic defender who was always a great pro.
"He worked hard and never gave us a minute's trouble. The fans will remember that powerful shot of his that brought them to their feet on many occasions.
"We had a good chat about his time here and he wants to thank the fans for the support he was given down the years. He secured Champions League and FA Cup success at Anfield and also helped us win the Worthington Cup and two European Super Cups."
It looks like we are in for Downing now. Is that the end of the Barry saga?
Downing is a good player, not sure he has the potential to bring his game to another level and be the psark to win a EPL. Potential though. At least he a 100% wide left player. 12m on the high side though.
As you say, couldn't see Barry and Downing been bought.
Still strong links with Silva and Villa on a lot of forums and that Liverpool had been talking to them prior to the Euros. Impressed with Silva last night, used the ball well and was willing to try things at the right time in the right positions. Would need a bedding in period for the pace of the EPL though and would be costly.
Good to see a few clubs been linked with Crouch, should help his price.
Paul Anderson off to Forest for year. Should be interesting to see how he manages at championship level. Thought he would have stayed at Swansea, as they at same level. Adam Hamill may be off as well to a championship team.
Young Danish striker signed as well - 17 year old.
Liverpool's hopes of receiving £12m for Peter Crouch have been encouraged by the growing interest in their England striker.
Portsmouth, Manchester City, Tottenham and Newcastle have registered their interest in the 27-year-old, although only Pompey have made an offer.
Liverpool expect to complete the signing of Andrea Dossena late next week. The left-back has agreed personal terms on a move from Udinese, for a fee that could rise to £8m, and will sign when he returns from honeymoon.
Jaysus, Galatasaray have paid us £2m for Chuckie Itandje (according to the Daily Mail).
I thought the Dossena lad was already in the bag - hopefully there's no last minute feck up. Don't know a whole lot about him, but it sounds like he'll be first choice.
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2008, 04:21:14 PM
Jaysus, Galatasaray have paid us £2m for Chuckie Itandje (according to the Daily Mail).
I thought the Dossena lad was already in the bag - hopefully there's no last minute feck up. Don't know a whole lot about him, but it sounds like he'll be first choice.
Think Dossena got married recently and is on honeymoon hence the delay.
2M for Itandje is robbery of the highest order. We done well there. ;D
Latest rumour...Crouch to Spurs in a swap deal for Robbie Keane
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 29, 2008, 10:12:42 PM
Latest rumour...Crouch to Spurs in a swap deal for Robbie Keane
Not just a swap, Liverpool to pay cash as well.
Whatever about Pool needing Keane, Spurs have no need for Crouch unless Berbatov is on his way too.
The soundings come from Villa sounds like they are finally ready to do a deal re Barry. Though I still think he's not as good as Xabi.
Great to see Torres do the business last night.
Keane valued at 20m!!! I dont think this is a good move. why not just sell crouch and use the money to bid for Villa. Glad to see the war of words between O'Neill & Barry. There's no way Barry can play for villa next season now, which might mean O'Neill accepting a lower offer.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/30/premierleague.liverpool
Benítez offers Crouch and cash to lure Keane
Andy Hunter The Guardian, Monday June 30, 2008
Rafael Benítez will pursue his interest in Robbie Keane despite Tottenham's insistence that their vice-captain is not for sale. The Liverpool manager has proposed a cash-plus-Peter Crouch deal but the Republic of Ireland international will have to agitate for a move to bring Benítez's pursuit to fruition.
Keane has emerged as a leading target for Liverpool after discussions between Anfield officials and their Spurs counterparts about Crouch, the England international who is valued at between £10m and £12m and is also wanted by Portsmouth, Manchester City, Newcastle and possibly Arsenal.
Benítez, encouraged by Gareth Barry's willingness to make a public request for a move from Aston Villa, now hopes similar tactics will lure the 27-year-old Keane to Liverpool, the club he supported as a boy and who can offer Champions League football. Tottenham instantly dismissed Liverpool's approach last week but Benítez will persist with efforts to induce Keane to move. A £20m-rated deal involving Crouch would suit Liverpool but should the England forward resist a return to White Hart Lane they could put money from his sale towards a straight cash bid.
The Liverpool manager has allocated his existing transfer budget to the purchases of Barry and the left-back Andrea Dossena, who will finalise his £8m transfer from Udinese this week. Further signings will be dependent on player sales.
Benítez's exhaustive attempts to prise away the Villa captain received a significant assist yesterday when Barry criticised his manager, Martin O'Neill, and for the first time publicly declared his desire to leave. "My mind's made up - I want to join Liverpool," he said. "There's no going back; it's time for me to move on. I'm desperate to play Champions League football and that's why I have to leave Villa.
"Villa kept saying they wanted me to stay but I have not heard from the manager for weeks. It's seven weeks now since the season finished but while the gaffer's found time to be a pundit for the BBC at Euro 2008 he hasn't found the time to speak to me. Have Villa offered me anything to try to persuade me my future is at Villa Park, not Anfield? Not a thing."
The decision on whether Everton's proposed stadium in Kirkby should be called in by the government has been delayed. Everton were due to learn this week whether their move would be subject to government scrutiny, entailing a delay which would be likely to scupper the proposal because of rising costs, but the Government Office for the North West has requested an extra fortnight to consider the plan.
Keane could be a very good foil for Torres, I would welcome this move. Houllier of course approached Keane and he was all for it until it fell through.
Quote from: corn02 on June 30, 2008, 12:50:45 PM
Keane could be a very good foil for Torres, I would welcome this move. Houllier of course approached Keane and he was all for it until it fell through.
Not entirely true.
Both Liverpool and Spurs agreed transfer fees for Keane. Robbie then chose Spurs. He said it was because he was guaranteed first team action.
Apologies, I thought he was all for it, the fact that Fowler would nopt be driven out stopped it.
Quote from: corn02 on June 30, 2008, 12:50:45 PM
Keane could be a very good foil for Torres, I would welcome this move. Houllier of course approached Keane and he was all for it until it fell through.
Thinking about it again, we definitely do need a partner for Torres and it's unlikely that we'll get somebody like Villa. So keane might well be a good buy. Im just amazed at the valuation. But that seems to be the order of the day at the moment.
Losing Crouch, Alsonso + approx. 13m while gaining Barry & Keane. Probably being ripped off but it will improve the team if goes through. Would still need some quality on the wing though.
Liverpool goalkeeper Charles Itandje has arrived in Istanbul late Sunday night, with his agent to complete negotiations with Galatasaray executives. If talks progress positively, Itandje is expected to sign a three year six million euros deal with the Turkish champions. Liverpool is reportedly to receive a 4 million euros transfer fee for Itandje.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 30, 2008, 04:16:12 PM
. Liverpool is reportedly to receive a 4 million euros transfer fee for Itandje.
Is it April 1?
Quote from: corn02 on June 30, 2008, 04:36:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 30, 2008, 04:16:12 PM
. Liverpool is reportedly to receive a 4 million euros transfer fee for Itandje.
Is it April 1?
Maybe they have him mixed up with someone else? ;D
I actually think Keane would do well at Liverpool,Couldn't believe when i saw someone posted he was only 27!! He's seems to be around forever..
I hope a private jet was laid on for Charles to fly to Istanbul and seal his deal. He has been a great servant and if he wants to leave then we should at least have the decency to make sure he travels in style to his new home.
;D ;D
Istanbul has been good to Liverpool but this goes beyond the call of duty. Gala I salute you!!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on June 30, 2008, 05:01:39 PM
I actually think Keane would do well at Liverpool,Couldn't believe when i saw someone posted he was only 27!! He's seems to be around forever..
As a utd fan the only time I want to see Keane at anfield is when he is scoring for spurs, as an ireland fan I think it would be an excellent move for him and ireland.Champions league football would suit him and improve him and his confidence. He would suit your passing style very well and link up well with Torres. The big question would be would defensive Rafa play Torres+ Keane up front and Gerrard as an attacking central midfielder? Personnally I think Benitez is far too defensive and would burst into tears the first time you concede two at anfield. Gerard would then be moved wide right causing tensions in the dressing room as Rafa tried to play as many defensive midfielders as humanly possible.
Pellegrino rejoins Liverpool as first-team coach
Former Liverpool defender Mauricio Pellegrino has re-joined the club as first-team coach.
The 36-year-old Argentinian, who played 12 times for the Reds in 2005, has been working as a youth team coach at Valencia but will now return to Merseyside to join the backroom team that also has Sammy Lee recently installed as assistant manager.
Boss Rafael Benitez said of Pellegrino: 'His role will be first-team coach, and he will also carry out specialist training sessions. He can also work specifically with the defence, and also the reserves.'
He added: 'Pellegrino has a winning mentality. He won the Inter-continental Cup before going to Spain with Barcelona and Valencia.
'He has a lot of passion. When I asked him to come he was very pleased, but first he wanted to find out if there was a school where his three children could play good football. He is a football man.'
Meanwhile, Benitez has spoken of his pride in Fernando Torres' Euro 2008 triumph after he scored the winner for his country against Germany in Sunday's final.
The manager was quick to praise record signing Torres, who suffered some heavy criticism from the Spanish media during the tournament.
'I am very proud of Fernando, especially after he has been criticised from some journalists in Spain,' Benitez said.
'Everyone in Spain remembers the Marcelino goal from 44 years ago (when Spain were last European champions), and the last final Spain were in was 24 years ago.
'Now people will talk about Torres in the same way, I am very proud of him and what he has achieved.'
Just spent some time reading some of the Liverpool fc forums to get a view on Keane coming to Liverpool..Not all positive,One poster described Keane as the Irish Craig Bellamy :o Bit harsh is it?
I was going to mention Keane on here last week as somebody I would like to see Liverpool going for. I must say I think Keane would be very good for Liverpool and would be excellent with Torres. If the rumours of a transfer are to come to fruition I think come august we would be excited at the prospect of the pair of them! Liverpool must be careful not to be ripped off however. Crouch plus 4-5million would be about right I should think!
Check out Pepe the mad bastard. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3HfpckA5bg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3HfpckA5bg)
brilliant
There's big chat on some of the Liverpool forums about the possibility of signing Keane.
I would love this to happen, proven in the prem, no settling in period, can play in numerous positions in the forward line...what would Tony say?
I watched a bit of that lastnight on Spanish TV. He's crazy ;D
They showed him on the plane after it landed standing on the seats and leading the sing song.
Keane would be a brilliant signing. Someone Ive wanted to join Liverpool for a long time.
Fernando Torres - I owe success to Liverpool FC
Jul 1 2008 By Nick Smith
FERNANDO TORRES believes that playing for Liverpool has turned him into a European champion.
The Spain striker scored the goal against Germany in Vienna on Sunday which decided the Euro 2008 final.
The strike secured Spain's first title in 44 years and the first major honour of Torres' career.
Liverpool have been basking in the reflected glory of their Spanish contingent, and the part Torres played in the triumph.
His winner means Torres has scored 36 goals for club and country in 53 competitive matches since he moved to Anfield last summer.
Liverpool also had Xabi Alonso, Jose Reina and Alvaro Arbeloa in the Spain squad, but it was the contribution of Torres in the final which put him in the spotlight.
Torres paid tribute to Liverpool and the club's fans for their part in his success story.
He said: "I have had a wonderful first season at Anfield and the 33 goals I scored for Liverpool gave
me the confidence and belief I needed for the European finals.
"And I would like to thank the manager Rafa Benitez and his staff because I have improved as a player thanks to them.
"But it is not just the people at the club who have helped me, it is also the supporters and the people of the city.
"From the moment I first came to Liverpool I have been made to feel welcome and that is why I am able to enjoy my football. so much.
"It is incredible. The Liverpool fans have given me so much support and I know that they have even been supporting Spain and this is something I will never forget and I thank everyone for that.
"Now I am looking forward to competing for trophies with Liverpool because I know that means so much to the club and the fans."
Torres, 24, added: "This is a dream come true and now we have a place in European history so it is very special.
"It is my first major title but I hope it will be the first of many because I want to win many more titles with Liverpool and Spain."
Benitez took pride in Torres' triumph and the Liverpool manager, overseeing the club's return to pre-season training yesterday, has given the triumphant Spain players an extra three weeks' holiday.
Torres surprisingly suffered some heavy criticism from the Spanish media during the tournament, but Benitez was quick to praise Torres. Liverpool's record signing.
He said: "I am very proud of Fernando, especially after he has been criticised from some journalists in Spain.
"Everyone in Spain remembers the Marcelino goal from 44 years ago (when Spain were last European champions), and the last final Spain were in was 24 years ago. Now people will talk about Torres in the same way." I am very proud of him and what he has achieved."
Benitez added: watched the game from his Wirral home, and said: "Spain played well. For 10 minutes at the start of each half Germany were pressing, but after that Spain controlled the game.
"The first goal changed the game. After that Metzelder pushed forward and Torres was left one versus one. Spain could play on the counter and that was important.
"They had three or four players in the middle with real quality and played good football."
I see Insua signed a new contract - happy about this, the boy is one for the future.
Villa have disciplined Barry as well - sounds like a spanking.
I wonder how much we got for Le Tallac - Probably about 0.5million.
Quote from: corn02 on July 02, 2008, 03:12:17 PM
I wonder how much we got for Le Tallac - Probably about 0.5million.
Tins of beans? Good deal.
QuoteFernando Torres - I owe success to Liverpool FC
Reads like a man who's trying to avoid getting his house burgled.........
My sides.
will be great to see this guy back in a Liverpool shirt. Badly missed last season.
Reds really missed Agger, says Rafa
Rafael Benitez believes the injury absence of centre-back Daniel Agger cost Liverpool in the race for the Premier League title last season.
The Danish centre-back proved to be one of Liverpool's most consistent performers in 2006/07 as Liverpool reached the Champions League final.
Agger, though, missed the majority of last season with a recurring foot problem after breaking a metatarsal in the first half of the campaign to leave veteran Sami Hyypia and Jamie Carragher forced to play a combined total of 62 league games.
And, as a fully-fit Agger returned to pre-season training on Thursday, Benitez admits the 23-year-old has been missed at Anfield as youngster Jack Hobbs and full-back Alvaro Arbeloa were also forced into central defensive duty.
"I think it cost us early in the season," Benitez told Liverpool's official website.
"We conceded goals at the end of games which finished as draws because Sami Hyypia and Jamie Carragher were playing too many games in a row.
"We were using Jack Hobbs in some games and Alvaro Arbeloa as a centre-back; clearly we missed Daniel Agger.
"He is a centre-back but good on the ball and a threat for the other team too. We missed Agger."
However, Benitez has praised the contribution of Martin Skrtel, who arrived as a £6million signing from Zenit St Petersburg in January.
Benitez added: "We knew this player when he was 18. It was funny because some people were going to see Everton against Zenit and were saying this player really has ability.
"But we already had four or five videos of him which we liked. We had already sent our people over there and we knew he was the player for us.
"It can be difficult to settle down in this country but Martin has been really good."
Andrea Dossena has today put pen to paper on a four-year Anfield deal.
The Italian full-back becomes Rafael Benitez's second acquisition of the summer following the arrival of Swiss international Philipp Degen.
Dossena, who has been capped once at senior level by Italy, is seen as the ideal replacement for John Arne Riise, who departed for Roma earlier this month.
The 26-year-old began his career aged 14 with Hellas Verona in northern Italy, coming through the ranks before spending four seasons in the senior squad.
His big break came when he signed for Udinese in 2005, though he was immediately loaned to Treviso FBC 1993 for a year.
The defender returned to the Stadio Friuli ahead of the 2006-07 campaign, where his form eventually saw him make his international bow in a friendly against South Africa in October 2007.
By the end of the season his move to Merseyside had been confirmed, with Dossena saying: "Liverpool are a great team, and it is great to be linked to such a famous club. I want to play Champions League football, the Reds have already won it and they often get to the big games. In England, they are on the same level as Manchester United."
Swiss defender Philipp Degen has today put pen to paper on a four year Anfield deal.
The 25-year-old - who was an unused substitute during the recent European Championships - has opted for a new career with the Reds after his contact at Borussia Dortmund expired last season.
Degen becomes the first new arrival at Anfield this summer, with left back Andrea Dossena likely to follow in his footsteps over the coming days.
After agreeing to sign Degen last month, manager Rafael Benitez said: "Philipp is still young but has gained great experience from playing in the Bundesliga with Borussia Dortmund and on the international stage with Switzerland. He also played in the Champions League during his time with Basel and so is used to top level football.
"He is an offensive player with great energy and a winning mentality. His strength is going forward and I am confident he will be prove to be a quality addition to our squad."
He added: "Sometimes you can find these players on the market. When you find a player like him who costs no money it means you can use money for improving other parts of the squad.
"He is a good signing, a player of potential, who can help us improve in the wide areas."
Degen began his career with FC Basel in 1996, making his debut five years later.
Four seasons in the first team followed, during which he claimed three league titles and one domestic cup.
His time at St Jakob Park also gave him a taste of Champions League football. In fact, Degen was an unused sub when Basel claimed a 1-1 draw at Anfield in 2002-03.
In 2005 the defender joined the Bundesliga with Borussia Dortmund.
Degen, who featured four times for his country in the 2006 World Cup, spent three years with the German giants, the last of which was blighted by injury.
The full-back recovered in time for Euro 2008, a tournament co-hosted by Switzerland. Unfortunately he did not feature as the Swiss failed to negotiate the group stages.
Degen, who is fluent in French and German, has a twin, David, who also plays professional football.
Right the messin about is over Rafa!! Time to deliver and hope you have done your homework on these two!!
More i think about it less convinced i am with this Barry deal. Villa holding out for big dough and im not convinced he is worth it. Alonso should be perservered with. Yes he wasnt great last year but hopefully Spain winnin Euro's can kickstart things for him. He was pushing hard for a place in prob the best midfield in world football. Would Gareth Barry have been anywhere near that Spanish outfit!! I think not!!
Quote from: Yes I Would on July 04, 2008, 11:57:46 PM
Right the messin about is over Rafa!! Time to deliver and hope you have done your homework on these two!!
More i think about it less convinced i am with this Barry deal. Villa holding out for big dough and im not convinced he is worth it. Alonso should be perservered with. Yes he wasnt great last year but hopefully Spain winnin Euro's can kickstart things for him. He was pushing hard for a place in prob the best midfield in world football. Would Gareth Barry have been anywhere near that Spanish outfit!! I think not!!
I agree with that. I was reluctant to see Alonso leave before the Euros. Now I'm convinced. Let Villa stew for 5 or 6 weeks and if they don't break we'll get Barry for about £10m in January.
He isnt worth much more!! Doesnt seem to be too many breakin the door down for him!! Let him sweat it out at Villa as right for a few weeks
Rafa just seems when he has a few pound he needs to spend it just for the sake of it!
Quote from: Yes I Would on July 05, 2008, 12:10:58 AM
He isnt worth much more!! Doesnt seem to be too many breakin the door down for him!! Let him sweat it out at Villa as right for a few weeks
Rafa just seems when he has a few pound he needs to spend it just for the sake of it!
Don't think that's fair to be honest. He's trying to catch up to Man U and Chelsea while spending less money than them. He can't just write blank cheques like they can. He obviously has to sell players before he can afford to buy any but a policy like that won't win you many league titles.
Harry Kewell has signed a two-year contract with Galatasaray after passing a medical with the Turkish champions.
The Australian winger was available on a free transfer after leaving Liverpool following five injury-hit seasons at Anfield.
Galatasaray had announced a deal for Kewell on Thursday night, and the 29-year-old has now officially completed his move.
Speaking at a news conference in Istanbul, Kewell is confident he has made the right choice for his career.
"I wanted to move on and I think this is the best way to move on," Kewell, who was sent off against his new club during his time at Leeds United, told reporters.
Thrilled to bits
Kewell, who had also been linked with Celtic, Portsmouth and Roma, had earlier revealed he was relishing the opportunity to play for Galatasaray after arriving in Turkey for talks.
"I'm excited, I'm thrilled to bits," Kewell told the club's official website. "I'm looking forward to the new challenge.
"I can't wait to meet up with the team and to get going. It's something different.
"There's a lot of talk about the Turkish league. It's coming up in the world and the national team has done well in the last couple of major tournaments.
"There's a lot of young talent here, and it's different, that's what I'm looking forward to - a new challenge."
galatasary be a team to watch this year with kewell and itandje! :D
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Degen, who featured four times for his country in the 2006 World Cup, spent three years with the German giants, the last of which was blighted by injury.
The full-back recovered in time for Euro 2008, a tournament co-hosted by Switzerland. Unfortunately he did not feature as the Swiss failed to negotiate the group stages.
I'm surprised no-one has latched on to this bit. Right, fair enough we're getting hiim on a free but he has been injured for the last three years and couldn't force his way on to the SWISS national team. We've got another Kromkamp on our hands, I fear
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 05, 2008, 12:03:28 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on July 04, 2008, 11:57:46 PM
Right the messin about is over Rafa!! Time to deliver and hope you have done your homework on these two!!
More i think about it less convinced i am with this Barry deal. Villa holding out for big dough and im not convinced he is worth it. Alonso should be perservered with. Yes he wasnt great last year but hopefully Spain winnin Euro's can kickstart things for him. He was pushing hard for a place in prob the best midfield in world football. Would Gareth Barry have been anywhere near that Spanish outfit!! I think not!!
I agree with that. I was reluctant to see Alonso leave before the Euros. Now I'm convinced. Let Villa stew for 5 or 6 weeks and if they don't break we'll get Barry for about £10m in January.
I've said already that we are being ripped off with the Barry valuation. But unfortuantely that seems to be the norm for English players. Bottom line for me is that we need to improve the team considerably from last season. And i believe, regardless of the price, that Barry & Keane would make a huge difference. Remains to be seen how good Dossena is but those 3 plus a full fit Agger, and the return of Sammy Lee should see us close the gap further. Im not sure if Alonso can reproduce his previous form for liverpool so if we can get 15m for him now, then I'd let him go. Alonso is perfectly suited to CL football, but it looks like Rafa is chasing players more suitable to the PL, which isnt a bad thing...
Quote from: stevo-08 on July 05, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 05, 2008, 12:03:28 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on July 04, 2008, 11:57:46 PM
Right the messin about is over Rafa!! Time to deliver and hope you have done your homework on these two!!
More i think about it less convinced i am with this Barry deal. Villa holding out for big dough and I'm not convinced he is worth it. Alonso should be perservered with. Yes he wasnt great last year but hopefully Spain winnin Euro's can kickstart things for him. He was pushing hard for a place in prob the best midfield in world football. Would Gareth Barry have been anywhere near that Spanish outfit!! I think not!!
I agree with that. I was reluctant to see Alonso leave before the Euros. Now I'm convinced. Let Villa stew for 5 or 6 weeks and if they don't break we'll get Barry for about £10m in January.
I've said already that we are being ripped off with the Barry valuation. But unfortuantely that seems to be the norm for English players. Bottom line for me is that we need to improve the team considerably from last season. And i believe, regardless of the price, that Barry & Keane would make a huge difference. Remains to be seen how good Dossena is but those 3 plus a full fit Agger, and the return of Sammy Lee should see us close the gap further. Im not sure if Alonso can reproduce his previous form for liverpool so if we can get 15m for him now, then I'd let him go. Alonso is perfectly suited to CL football, but it looks like Rafa is chasing players more suitable to the PL, which isnt a bad thing...
Good man,Thats it in a nutshell if you ask me,Rafa is finally realising its the PL thats the important one on Merseyside,He has often bought players that are more suited to CL.
Players like Keane and Barry while obviously have no experience of winning the PL I believe they will be more suited to helping Liverpool get closer to winning it.
While i can't see Liverpool winning it next year,It would be great if we were at least still in with a shout come march/april
I really think Barry is a great player and could shine at Liverpool
Spot on LL
Still annoyed we are not going for Bentley.
First pre-season game coming up already.
Away to Tranmere on Saturday, kick-off at 3pm. Match will be covered live on the LFC TV channel (available to Setanta subscribers) and on the website (if you have the annual subscription). I think Setanta Sports 1 also has it.
Looks like the Crouch move to Pompey will be confirmed this week. Fee in the region of £9m-£11m.
Quote from: corn02 on July 06, 2008, 06:41:18 PM
Spot on LL
Still annoyed we are not going for Bentley.
would like to see us going for Bentley also. But it's all down to money again...
Riise sold to raise money for Dossena. Trying to sell Alonso (+Finnan???) to buy Barry. Crouch will be sold so Rafa can bid for Keane. Itandje sold and we're now looking for Cavalieri. So who can we sell to raise funds for Bentley?? Carson, Pennant, Voronin... Dont see too many clubs looking for their signatures. And you wouldnt get much for them anyway.
It's the same reason we're struggling to compete with utd & chelsea - money!!!
Premier League - Portsmouth strike deal for Crouch
Eurosport - Mon, 07 Jul 14:05:00 2008
Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for England striker Peter Crouch.
The 27-year-old has been the subject of several offers from his former club Pompey, who have finally struck a deal for around £11m.
"We have reached a verbal agreement with Portsmouth and have given them permission to speak with Peter," said a Liverpool spokesperson.
Crouch made just nine Premier League starts for the Reds last season, with Fernando Torres and Dirk Kuyt establishing themselves as Rafael Benitez's first-choice pairing.
Despite using the six-foot-seven forward sparingly, Liverpool had demanded £15m before eventually settling for a more realistic figure.
Portsmouth will now discuss personal terms with Crouch, who played at Fratton Park in the second tier in 2001-02, scoring 18 league goals.
Portsmouth manager Harry Redknapp has sold Crouch twice - first from Portsmouth to Aston Villa for £5m, then from Southampton to Liverpool for £7m in 2005.
£11 million fro Crouch. Part of me is sad to see him go, because he didn't really get a crack this year. HAving said that, is he really going to play 30 games per season for Liverpool? Not if LFC are going to be challenging for the title I'd suggest.
So, £11m income. I think decent business.
Quote from: Hound on July 07, 2008, 11:18:31 AM
First pre-season game coming up already.
Away to Tranmere on Saturday, kick-off at 3pm. Match will be covered live on the LFC TV channel (available to Setanta subscribers) and on the website (if you have the annual subscription). I think Setanta Sports 1 also has it.
Looks like the Crouch move to Pompey will be confirmed this week. Fee in the region of £9m-£11m.
Yes, Crouch should be a Portsmouth player in 24-48 hours. Liverpool will receive 8M up front with another 3M in add ons over a period of time.
However, i hear Xabi Alonso's move to Juventus is in major doubt as Juve will not pay 16M for him.
So, unless Liverpool can persuade Villa to accept cash plus Finnan for Gareth Barry, the Barry deal could also be in jeopardy.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 07, 2008, 02:30:38 PM
£11 million fro Crouch. Part of me is sad to see him go, because he didn't really get a crack this year. HAving said that, is he really going to play 30 games per season for Liverpool? Not if LFC are going to be challenging for the title I'd suggest.
So, £11m income. I think decent business.
11 million is pretty good considering he's only got a year left on his contract.
Overall I think he did fairly well when he got a run in the team but no point keeping him when he was only getting very limited opportunities to play.
Good business for Liverpool that. Will be interesting to see how Crouch and Defoe work together.
So who are they lined up then?
Tottenham staying very quiet about Keane.
Quote from: Whacker on July 07, 2008, 05:25:01 PM
So who are they lined up then?
Tottenham staying very quiet about Keane.
Ronaldo ;)
Must be someone but I suspect that either Spurs had no intention of taking Crouch or Keane is dead. Or Perhaps Voronin has had a hair cut, lost 2 stone, found a first touch, leant when/how to pass and got directions to the goal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7493493.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7493493.stm)
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Liverpool sign young Dane Saric
Liverpool have completed a deal for Denmark Under-18 international forward Nikola Saric.
The 17-year-old former Herfolge player has signed a four-year contract, which is thought to be worth about £900,000.
The left-footed Saric is a versatile attacker and can play on the left or right wing or as a central striker.
He spent some time on trial with SC Heerenveen at the Otten Cup tournament, hosted by PSV Eindhoven, from the end of May to the start of June.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 07, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
Good business for Liverpool that. Will be interesting to see how Crouch and Defoe work together.
I think they could be lethal. I have seen a fair few players in the flesh watching Chelsea over the years, and Defoe was one of the few that definately stood out. Always like him. Crouch and him could be a good foil. I'll put my head on the block early doors....Pompey for 5th spot.
Those two, with Diarra are effectivelly three excellent players that they did not have all of last season. The ACN would've affected them too.
Short another one for the start of the season...
QuoteStar duo in Brazil Olympics squad
Ronaldinho and Robinho are the star attractions in the Brazil squad
Barcelona's Ronaldinho and Real Madrid forward Robinho will lead Brazil's assault on a first Olympic football gold in Beijing in August.
Manchester United midfielder Anderson is one of three Premier League players selected in the 18-man squad.
Manchester City's new record signing Jo, Liverpool midfielder Lucas Leiva and Anderson will all miss the start of the new season.
The Olympics is the only significant title Brazil have never won.
The Brazilians won the silver medal twice, in 1984 in Los Angeles and 1988 in Seoul and they won the bronze in 1996 in Atlanta.
Brazil are in Group C with Belgium, China and New Zealand and begin their campaign on 8 August against Belgium.
Coach Dunga picked Fluminense defender Thiago Silva as the third player older than 23 in the squad, in addition to Ronaldinho and Robinho.
"The experience factor can be decisive in the Olympics," Dunga said.
"That's why several players born in 1985 were chosen, and even the youngsters already have international experience."
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Goalkeepers: Diego Alves (Almeria), Renan (Internacional). Defenders: Ilsinho (Shakhtar Donetsk), Rafinha (Shalke), Marcelo (Real Madrid), Alex Silva (Sao Paulo), Breno (Bayern Munich), Thiago Silva (Fluminense).
Midfielders: Anderson (Manchester United), Diego (Werder Bremen); Hernanes (Sao Paulo), Lucas (Liverpool), Ronaldinho (FC Barcelona), Thiago Neves (Fluminense).
Forwards: Alexandre Pato (AC Milan), Jo (Manchester City), Rafael Sobis (Real Betis), Robinho (Real Madrid).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/football/7494600.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/football/7494600.stm)
Thats Lucas & Masch gone for the first 2-3 games. But back in time for the Utd game.
Will mean a CM partnership of gerrard & barry/alonso for first couple of games.
Midfielder Xabi Alonso wants to stay at Liverpool and win the Premier League title despite reports suggesting he is wanted by Juventus.
The Spain international had been expected to leave Anfield this summer after slipping down the pecking order last season.
But the 26-year-old former Real Sociedad star, who has made over 110 appearances during his four seasons with the Reds, is hoping to persuade manager Rafael Benitez that his future remains with the Merseyside club.
Juve are reported to be willing to pay up to £12million for Alonso, who has now spoken about his future for the first time since helping Spain triumph at Euro 2008.
"Everyone treats me so well here," he said.
"There are a few stories over a possible transfer but I would prefer not to talk about my future.
"I want to win the Premier League as that is the only trophy which is missing."
I'm glad, would be glad to see him stay and show his worth, but I still think he will be on his way - if the gaffer doesn't want him, and needs the money, then moving on is inevitable.
If Barry signs, then Alonso goes. That's certain. Though it might be nice to defer it until towards the end of the transfer window so he can play when Mascho and Lucas are away. I think the Italian season usually starts later than the English season too.
I see Rafa mentioned Villa as on his list of potential replacements for Crouch, though in the same breath he said it will be "difficult". I think it means what most of us have said already - he'd like him but can't afford him.
In addition to the Tranmere game on Saturday, Liverpool's friendlies v Hertha Berlin (Tues 22/7 1845) and v Valerenga (Tues 5/8 1800) are confirmed as live on Setanta Sports.
I think the aspiration to sign Villa is just that, cannot see it happening unfortunately. Didn't like this bit so much...
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"We have Torres, Voronin, Kuyt, Babel and Steven Gerrard, who can play as a second striker," Benitez said. "But we will try to bring in another option."
Torres - not a second striker, he's the frontline striker, how can he play second striker to himself?
Voronin - not good enough.
Babel - not a second striker, he's a speed merchant.
Kuyt - who knows, was effective by times for the Dutch, but then again they actually hold and pass the ball.
Stevie G - should he be bracketed as a second striker? I suppose he does link midfield to the sole striker.
Basically, if Torres gets injured, Liverpool don't have another frontline striker, never mind a second one.
I think there was an 'AND' missing there either in the quote, or in Benitez's english. We have Torres AND blah blah blah who can play as a second striker.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 09, 2008, 12:17:08 PM
I think there was an 'AND' missing there either in the quote, or in Benitez's english. We have Torres AND blah blah blah who can play as a second striker.
Hope so AZ, I hope so.
I know Benitez was under pressure last year, but looking at the way this transfer window is going currently, the lack of funds, it won't be his fault if/when we are not competitive next season. He must be close to walking?
Quote from: Mentalman on July 09, 2008, 12:28:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 09, 2008, 12:17:08 PM
I think there was an 'AND' missing there either in the quote, or in Benitez's english. We have Torres AND blah blah blah who can play as a second striker.
Hope so AZ, I hope so.
I know Benitez was under pressure last year, but looking at the way this transfer window is going currently, the lack of funds, it won't be his fault if/when we are not competitive next season. He must be close to walking?
The only thing I hope he walks away from at this stage is the Barry deal. Villa have turned down £15m plus Finnan. They want £17m and all paid up within 12 months. F**k that!
Many would see Babel as been a striker in the future ala Thierry Henry. He hasn't shown on a consistent basis what he can do but still young, 21, has pace but imho needs to improve his decision making and final ball. Has the pace and can finish, expect a strong year from him this year. Kuyt is a striker first and foremost but isn't in Torres class or close to it. He finished the second half of year very strong and hopefully can continue that. Needs to get an early run of goals and does score in big games when chances are limited.
Benitez knows that them strikers won't be enough to improve on last year, I expect him to do some business to address it.
Who? I don't know but we should have money to buy a 20m striker.
At present we have earned about 5m in transfers (Crouch 11m, Riise 4m, Itnanjde 2m= 17m) (Degan Free, Dossena 9m, Brazilian Keeper 3m = 12m) plus Kewells mad wages off the books. If we sell Cuthrie (may keep him till christmas due to olympics) 2m, Carson 5m, Penant or Benayoun 5-7m thats another 12m. If Barry comes in then Alonso will go an max 1m cost. So we'd have earned 17m in net transfers and if the club can't cough up 15-20m as a transfer fund to give Rafa a budget of say 35m then we are in trouble cash wise.
35m to buy a winger and a striker:
20-23m 1: Villa 2: Robbie Keane 3: Arshavin
10-13m 1: Bentley 2:Dowining 3: Silva
This business with Barry is dragging on. I'd tell O'Neill at this stage to do one, keep Alonso and wait till christmas and see if Villa will play ball. 17m plus finnan is not good business in my book. 15m would be enough for a 27 year old, England international or not. Villa will be landed with a player they have banned from training. If another club was in the bidding, driving the price up it would be fair enough but its just Liverpool.
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 09, 2008, 12:34:48 PM
The only thing I hope he walks away from at this stage is the Barry deal. Villa have turned down £15m plus Finnan. They want £17m and all paid up within 12 months. F**k that!
Chrisowc, where did you read that??? I think Barry would be a very good signing, but if villa have rejected 15m + Finnan, it's time to tell them where to go. Would be unfortunate on Barry who will find himsself in limbo but Liverpool just can afford to be held to ransom like that.
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
At present we have earned about 5m in transfers (Crouch 11m, Riise 4m, Itnanjde 2m= 17m) (Degan Free, Dossena 9m, Brazilian Keeper 3m = 12m) plus Kewells mad wages off the books. If we sell Cuthrie (may keep him till christmas due to olympics) 2m, Carson 5m, Penant or Benayoun 5-7m thats another 12m. If Barry comes in then Alonso will go an max 1m cost. So we'd have earned 17m in net transfers and if the club can't cough up 15-20m as a transfer fund to give Rafa a budget of say 35m then we are in trouble cash wise.
35m to buy a winger and a striker:
20-23m 1: Villa 2: Robbie Keane 3: Arshavin
10-13m 1: Bentley 2:Dowining 3: Silva
This business with Barry is dragging on. I'd tell O'Neill at this stage to do one, keep Alonso and wait till christmas and see if Villa will play ball. 17m plus finnan is not good business in my book. 15m would be enough for a 27 year old, England international or not. Villa will be landed with a player they have banned from training. If another club was in the bidding, driving the price up it would be fair enough but its just Liverpool.
Bingobus, the problem I see is that Carson might be the only player to leave at this stage and even thats far from a certainty. So 5m additional rather than 12m. Also, the Barry/Alonso deals could end up costing us 4-5m rather than only 1m. So Rafa will be left with the 5m profit made already plus whatever the owner throws at him for his remaining transfer kitty. In my opinion, we'll be extremely lucky to get Barry & a striker (Keane/Villa) this summer.
Stevo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7450271.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7450271.stm)
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
Dossena 9m
Was that his price? Man you would expect that he be good in that case, it's a bit on a pricey side for a guy who has one cap, wasn't in the Italy squad and most of us hadn't heard of. It's a lot of money for a left back when Liverpool appear to have so little to spend.
As for Barry, I'd agree, time to cool the interest if those terms were rejected. Either Villa need to sell to improve, in which case they will come back, or they wil be stuck with an unhappy player.
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
Many would see Babel as been a striker in the future ala Thierry Henry. He hasn't shown on a consistent basis what he can do but still young, 21, has pace but imho needs to improve his decision making and final ball. Has the pace and can finish, expect a strong year from him this year.
Maybe he will show more this year in big games, perhaps he is a striker after all, as he is not good at holding posession or finding a teammate from the wing, even with simple passes. Seems to do well at the end of games finishing off sides though when the match is stretched.
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
Kuyt is a striker first and foremost but isn't in Torres class or close to it. He finished the second half of year very strong and hopefully can continue that. Needs to get an early run of goals and does score in big games when chances are limited.
I admire Sloth's will to work and run, and perhaps he hasn't been given the opportunities to play as an out and out striker, but I do think there is something in the opinion that he doesn't make intelligent enough runs, or get himself in positions to do so. Could be though the reason for that is the role he has been asked to play, more or less a wing back towards the end of last season.
Quote from: stevo-08 on July 09, 2008, 01:02:32 PM
Bingobus, the problem I see is that Carson might be the only player to leave at this stage and even thats far from a certainty. So 5m additional rather than 12m. Also, the Barry/Alonso deals could end up costing us 4-5m rather than only 1m. So Rafa will be left with the 5m profit made already plus whatever the owner throws at him for his remaining transfer kitty. In my opinion, we'll be extremely lucky to get Barry & a striker (Keane/Villa) this summer.
I couldn't see us not selling Pennant or Benayoun if they were offered. Pennant - WBA, Newcastle, Middlesboro etc would prob snap him up at 5m. Pity he didn't get that England cap as he'd be worth 8/9m then ;) Benayoun is using the press on a daily basis to praise Rafa and the club, so he is looking to stay!
I suppose if they aren't sold, he won't be looking for a winger which would be a shame, as I thing we defo need 1, if not 2, new wingers.
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 09, 2008, 01:04:13 PM
Stevo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7450271.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7450271.stm)
cheers for that. this really is the most drawn out transfer I remember. How villa are demanding 17m + Finan for a player they've banished from training, is beyond me.
Quote from: Mentalman on July 09, 2008, 01:25:38 PM
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
Dossena 9m
Was that his price? Man you would expect that he be good in that case, it's a bit on a pricey side for a guy who has one cap, wasn't in the Italy squad and most of us hadn't heard of. It's a lot of money for a left back when Liverpool appear to have so little to spend.
I thought it was around 7m. I think if it was 9m, there's be more publicity about it cos he'd be the most expensive defender ever signed by Liverpool. Below is the link from sky sports, even though it's over a month old.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3656484,00.html
Kuyt is critical to this Liverpool side. For reference, see Torres interview at ~ end June where he attributed his success to the workrate of Kuyt.
Further, contrary to an above post, I think he is a very intelligent player, capable of finding space and making appropriate runs, delivering good ball etc. However, it is obvious for all to see that he does not have the required pace or flair to be a top class 'winger' per se. But like I say, he is critical to the team for the role he performs. I think that Rafa thinks the same as well.
Quote from: stevo-08 on July 09, 2008, 02:26:26 PM
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
Dossena 9m
Was that his price? Man you would expect that he be good in that case, it's a bit on a pricey side for a guy who has one cap, wasn't in the Italy squad and most of us hadn't heard of. It's a lot of money for a left back when Liverpool appear to have so little to spend.
I thought it was around 7m. I think if it was 9m, there's be more publicity about it cos he'd be the most expensive defender ever signed by Liverpool. Below is the link from sky sports, even though it's over a month old.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3656484,00.html
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It may well have been 7m (€9m), prob confused the two in original post. All the better, gives Rafa more money to spend :)
Quote from: Captain Black on July 09, 2008, 02:26:50 PM
Kuyt is critical to this Liverpool side. For reference, see Torres interview at ~ end June where he attributed his success to the workrate of Kuyt.
Further, contrary to an above post, I think he is a very intelligent player, capable of finding space and making appropriate runs, delivering good ball etc. However, it is obvious for all to see that he does not have the required pace or flair to be a top class 'winger' per se. But like I say, he is critical to the team for the role he performs. I think that Rafa thinks the same as well.
That's as maybe, I'm sure Torres is delighted to have a strike partner who makes acres of room for him and works his knackers off for the side, but my point would be Liverpool will not win a championship playing as they did last year, nor will they win one without another frontline striker to supplement Torres in the event of injury/tiredness/loss of form. Kuyt maybe that man, hopefully he is, but hasn't shown it in his time at the club.
What do you mean mentalman, when you say 'playing the way they did last year'? Please be more specific. In a general sense, it is obvious they wont win the league playing as they did last year, because we only finished fourth.
Quote from: Captain Black on July 09, 2008, 03:39:25 PM
What do you mean mentalman, when you say 'playing the way they did last year'? Please be more specific. In a general sense, it is obvious they wont win the league playing as they did last year, because we only finished fourth.
Well I think that more or less covers it then? The general sense I mean. The same tactics and the same personel employed again in the same way obviously will not yield a league, that's self evident. So a change is needed is it not? I don't see any significent moves being made at the moment to remedy the issues we saw last year. Maybe it will be a slow process as it took almost 4 years to decide to spend some real money and buy a quality striker like Torres. At that rate perhaps in 5 years, assuming you can hold on to quality players and they don't lose form/become too old, Liverpool might have a side capable of challenging for the league. All the huffing and puffing of Kuyt playing at wing back, laudable as it is, to me is a sign that Liverpool are doing something wrong. Why would I think that? Well I look at the more successful teams in the league, Chelsea and Man Utd. for instance, and wonder why they don't seem to have the same issues as Liverpool? Why they actually play proper wingers, whose main occupation is attacking, whereas we converted someone who's best position is probably striker (do we know?), who is not the paciest, to a right sided midfielder? Why they have a similar problem on the left wing? Why they struggle to score without Torres in the side? It's evident there are problems at right and left back and both wings, and are short another good striker,while at centre back and central midfield they seem to be pretty well covered. Another season of Kuyt playing on the right means to me we have no real ambition to win the league. And that's not anything against the man himself, it's just a statement of fact.
This Gareth Barry saga is dragging on.
Why dont pool call their bluff offer 10m take it or leave it. He cant play for villa again and I dont see many other clubs willing to pay the price Villa want.
Any messy transfer tussle Pool were involved in was not worth the hassle in long run. Ziege and Kewell are the obvious ones.
I couldnt be arsed if he signs or not. He is not the man to make the difference between 4th and 1st.
Finding it impossible to get excited about liverpools chances next season when the height of our ambition seems to be signing Gareth Barry.
Funny thing is from mid feb to the end of last season Liverpool actually gained the most points...even more than United or Chelsea.
This would have been during the period when they are accussed of solely concentrating on the Champions league and they would also have put out weakened teams on a couple of occassions. This is during the period when Sir Alex reckons the league is won and lost (thats only if you are within touching distance of it when that period starts!!). The problem for the past couple of seasons has been a brutal run of form for 7 or 8 games where they struggle to win any games. United or Chelsea don't do that sort of run. If it can be avoided I still tink they have a decent chance.....it's a big if though!
Quote from: North Longford on July 09, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
Funny thing is from mid feb to the end of last season Liverpool actually gained the most points...even more than United or Chelsea.
This would have been during the period when they are accussed of solely concentrating on the Champions league and they would also have put out weakened teams on a couple of occassions. This is during the period when Sir Alex reckons the league is won and lost (thats only if you are within touching distance of it when that period starts!!). The problem for the past couple of seasons has been a brutal run of form for 7 or 8 games where they struggle to win any games. United or Chelsea don't do that sort of run. If it can be avoided I still tink they have a decent chance.....it's a big if though!
Roy Evans talked about this "run" on LFC TV the other evening. Its a poor statistic that doesn't tell the whole story. When the run started we were out of contention, therefore had little pressure, while the other two teams had lots to play for on all fronts. In that run we played teams with nothing to play for bar a few relegation teams, midtable teams playing the potential champions will always lift their game as it is all that they have to play for. The truth is in that run when we played the other top four we only took 2 points away to Chelsea and Arsenal. 4 pts from 18 against the other top 4 teams isn't championship winning material.
The league table rarely lies and looking at chunks of it can serve any purpose you look at. Fro example, look at run from christmas to mid-feb, it would be relagation material, should we worry about that next year ;)
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 04:31:26 PM
4 pts from 18 against the other top 4 teams isn't championship winning material.
Absolutely key statistic, and has been repeated time and again over previous seasons.
Quote from: bingobus on July 09, 2008, 04:31:26 PM
Quote from: North Longford on July 09, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
Funny thing is from mid feb to the end of last season Liverpool actually gained the most points...even more than United or Chelsea.
This would have been during the period when they are accussed of solely concentrating on the Champions league and they would also have put out weakened teams on a couple of occassions. This is during the period when Sir Alex reckons the league is won and lost (thats only if you are within touching distance of it when that period starts!!). The problem for the past couple of seasons has been a brutal run of form for 7 or 8 games where they struggle to win any games. United or Chelsea don't do that sort of run. If it can be avoided I still tink they have a decent chance.....it's a big if though!
Roy Evans talked about this "run" on LFC TV the other evening. Its a poor statistic that doesn't tell the whole story. When the run started we were out of contention, therefore had little pressure, while the other two teams had lots to play for on all fronts. In that run we played teams with nothing to play for bar a few relegation teams, midtable teams playing the potential champions will always lift their game as it is all that they have to play for. The truth is in that run when we played the other top four we only took 2 points away to Chelsea and Arsenal. 4 pts from 18 against the other top 4 teams isn't championship winning material.
Well to look at our games against the other top teams in isolation.
Man U (h) - probably should have got a point from the game but didn't.
Man U (a) - we were shite. Deservedly well beaten.
Chelsea (h) - would almost certainly have won that game only for the ref giving a ridiculous penalty to Chelsea.
Chelsea (a) - got a draw in a very boring game
Arsenal (h) - Led for most of the match but Arsenal deserved something from the game and got it.
Arsenal (a) - Probably should have won the game. Ended a draw.
Certainly though a decent start would be to start winning some of these home games against the top sides.
Galwaybayboy, I hear you and agree with your analysis but its all hearsay.
For every, could have/should have/might have Liverpool had, Arsenal, United and Chelsea will have them as well. There were games we got something, se shouldn't have eg Everton away, Derby away last minute goals for all 3 points. Over a season they pan out.
We can beat any of the big four on a given day but actually doing so is the problem and the next level we need to go to on a consistant basis.
Found this website when i was looking for something else
http://www.dhgate.com/p_ff8080811a63c9fa011a65f4d7ef3c50.html#
The jersey looks pretty real to me..The price plus the shipping is only around $36 which equals about €22
The usually retail for €65
Villa to accept cash plus Finnan. Bit of a rip -off but will do the job.. Alonso will end up going for about 13million.
QuoteWhen the run started we were out of contention, therefore had little pressure,
Would not agree with that point. If Everton taking 4th wasn't pressure then I don't know what was. Seriously believe if that had to happen again then Benitez wouldn't be in the job today. They were only sure of 5th in early May
QuoteFound this website when i was looking for something else
http://www.dhgate.com/p_ff8080811a63c9fa011a65f4d7ef3c50.html#
The jersey looks pretty real to me..The price plus the shipping is only around $36 which equals about €22
The usually retail for €65
Looks really good at that price..........
QuoteLiverpool (red) 8(Gerrard) 9(Torres) 14(Olano) 15(Crouch)
They are even predicting new signings!! Any good?
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Rafa Keane on Spurs ace but Villa move ruled out
Last updated: 10th July 2008
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has revealed his interest in signing Robbie Keane, but has ruled out a move for David Villa.
Benitez is in the market for striking reinforcements with Peter Crouch on the verge of a move to Portsmouth and has been linked with moves for Tottenham star Keane and Valencia hit-man Villa.
Keane's future at White Hart Lane has been the subject of speculation in recent weeks, with reports suggesting Spurs would listen to offers for the Republic of Ireland international.
Villa has been a long-term target for Benitez, but the former Valencia boss admits it is unlikely the Reds will be signing the Euro 2008 top scorer.
"I said the other day that he is one of the names we had on our list, but I can say at this moment that it is not an option for us," said Benitez.
"We know Villa is a very good player, we know the price and we know the players we have, so when you consider everything we decided he was one of the names, but at this moment, not our target.
"Keane is one of the other names and okay we are still working with other names. We were in contact and we will see now."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3802081,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3802081,00.html)
Keane would be a great addition. Lets just hope the Barry saga gets wrapped up this weekend one way or another. And then focus on other players.
I see Babel is back to full training which is great but also means Holland could take him to the olympics. Our midfield will be well stretched if Masch, Lucas & Babel all go to the olympics and Alonso heads to Italy. >:(
Team for next year?
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Mascherano
Silva Gerrard Barry
Keane Torres
Lads, I just read an interesting article in 'Kop' paper that may explain some of Benitez's transfer positioning, and targets.
Apparently, for the 2008-2009 Champions League season, all teams must include at least 8 'home grown' players in the 25 man squad. 'Home grown' means that the player, of any nationality, who have, between the ages of 15 and 21, trained for at least 3 years in the COUNTRY in which the club plays in.
In addition, 4 members of the 25 man squad, must have trained at the club's own academy for 3 seasons before they were 21.
So, from Liverpool's perspective, the squad last year had exactly 8 players 'hown grown'. Steve Finnan, Harry Kewell, Stevie G, Peter Crouch, Jermaine Pennant, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby and David Martin.
If we had those 8 next year, we'd be okay for the first criterium. However with only Gerrard, Carragher and Darby eligible under the acadamy rules, we would have been 1 short there.
With Kewell, Crouch, Finnan and maybe Pennant on the way out, Rafa will probably have to sign 4 'home grown' players this year.....
If he doesn't we could have Gerrard, Carragher plus 6 young lads. As it stands, he will have to add someone like Nemeth or Threlfall or someone like that to make up the 4th spot of the acadamy players.
It helps understand why Barry is such a target, and Keane rather than Villa. Expect another 1 or 2 low level players to make up the squad, or else the likes of Pennant to stay.
Can't understand why Liverpool would sell Crouch and then buy Keane. Both of equal worth to the team. Maybe Crouch did not want so much bench time but would Keane be happy?
Quote from: corn02 on July 10, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Team for next year?
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Mascherano
Silva Gerrard Barry
Keane Torres
Not sure about Carra right back for the full season,Don't think he has it in him to get forward now and again. Would prefer to keep him in the centre,I would hold on to Finnan to be honest i think he has another few years left in him..
Does yer man Dossena play left and right or is he primarly left? I like Aurelio to be honest and i would play him left back and if Dossena can then i'd put him on the right.
I would play Carra instead of Skertl in the big games
I think those have been the champions league requirements for a few seasons now az
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:05:10 PM
Not sure about Carra right back
Would agree, but fullstop not suitable at right back. Can't get forward and back anymore, only hoofs the ball forward, only suitable there as a stop gap - the number of times Kuyt saved his blushes in the big games towards the end of last season was unreal. As a centre half he's a completely different proposition, his reading but more so his commitment to winning the ball is second to none, and he can find an easy pass to the deep lying midfielder in front of him, rather than wasting hard won possesion kicking it away.
Quote from: EC Unique on July 10, 2008, 03:54:41 PM
Can't understand why Liverpool would sell Crouch and then buy Keane. Both of equal worth to the team. Maybe Crouch did not want so much bench time but would Keane be happy?
Well that's only true if you view both of them as being similiar. Which they aren't. Crouch can only play right up the top where Torres likes to play while Keane can play right up the top, he can play in behind a front man and he could play as part of a front three. As well as being more versatile than Crouch he has a better goalscoring record than him in the league.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on July 10, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Team for next year?
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Mascherano
Silva Gerrard Barry
Keane Torres
Not sure about Carra right back for the full season,Don't think he has it in him to get forward now and again. Would prefer to keep him in the centre,I would hold on to Finnan to be honest i think he has another few years left in him..
Does yer man Dossena play left and right or is he primarly left?
Dossena is a left-back.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on July 10, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Team for next year?
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Mascherano
Silva Gerrard Barry
Keane Torres
Not sure about Carra right back for the full season,Don't think he has it in him to get forward now and again. Would prefer to keep him in the centre,I would hold on to Finnan to be honest i think he has another few years left in him..
Does yer man Dossena play left and right or is he primarly left?
Dossena is a left-back.
Right so that rules out that.
I don't like Arbeola,I know he played right back a few times last year instead of Finnan and could probaly play there if needed but he reminds me of another Kromkamp or Josemi
We seem to have loads of options at left back Arbeola,Aurelio,Insua,Dossena but not very many for right back
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on July 10, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Team for next year?
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Mascherano
Silva Gerrard Barry
Keane Torres
Not sure about Carra right back for the full season,Don't think he has it in him to get forward now and again. Would prefer to keep him in the centre,I would hold on to Finnan to be honest i think he has another few years left in him..
Does yer man Dossena play left and right or is he primarly left?
Dossena is a left-back.
Right so that rules out that.
I don't like Arbeola,I know he played right back a few times last year instead of Finnan and could probaly play there if needed but he reminds me of another Kromkamp or Josemi
We seem to have loads of options at left back Arbeola,Aurelio,Insua,Dossena but not very many for right back
Not convinced by Arbeloa either, couldn't believe he was in the Spanish squad for the Euros, then again I suppose someone like Oleguer would neither be picked, nor indeed play, for Spain.
Arbeloa is a tremendous right-back
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on July 10, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Team for next year?
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Mascherano
Silva Gerrard Barry
Keane Torres
Not sure about Carra right back for the full season,Don't think he has it in him to get forward now and again. Would prefer to keep him in the centre,I would hold on to Finnan to be honest i think he has another few years left in him..
Does yer man Dossena play left and right or is he primarly left?
Dossena is a left-back.
Right so that rules out that.
I don't like Arbeola,I know he played right back a few times last year instead of Finnan and could probaly play there if needed but he reminds me of another Kromkamp or Josemi
We seem to have loads of options at left back Arbeola,Aurelio,Insua,Dossena but not very many for right back
Degen is a right-back.
Don't know if he's any good but he's a right-back. ;D
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 10, 2008, 04:30:58 PM
Arbeloa is a tremendous right-back
Is he? Have we just not seen it because he's been moved around so much?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:32:55 PM
Degen is a right-back.
Don't know if he's any good but he's a right-back. ;D
Well he couldn't get his place on a poor enough Swiss side, but it remains to be seen I suppose.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 10, 2008, 04:30:58 PM
Arbeloa is a tremendous right-back
:D You should put that on the Corny one for a Friday thread,It will be the best joke ever on it
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 10, 2008, 03:42:23 PM
Lads, I just read an interesting article in 'Kop' paper that may explain some of Benitez's transfer positioning, and targets.
Apparently, for the 2008-2009 Champions League season, all teams must include at least 8 'home grown' players in the 25 man squad. 'Home grown' means that the player, of any nationality, who have, between the ages of 15 and 21, trained for at least 3 years in the COUNTRY in which the club plays in.
In addition, 4 members of the 25 man squad, must have trained at the club's own academy for 3 seasons before they were 21.
So, from Liverpool's perspective, the squad last year had exactly 8 players 'hown grown'. Steve Finnan, Harry Kewell, Stevie G, Peter Crouch, Jermaine Pennant, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby and David Martin.
If we had those 8 next year, we'd be okay for the first criterium. However with only Gerrard, Carragher and Darby eligible under the acadamy rules, we would have been 1 short there.
With Kewell, Crouch, Finnan and maybe Pennant on the way out, Rafa will probably have to sign 4 'home grown' players this year.....
If he doesn't we could have Gerrard, Carragher plus 6 young lads. As it stands, he will have to add someone like Nemeth or Threlfall or someone like that to make up the 4th spot of the acadamy players.
It helps understand why Barry is such a target, and Keane rather than Villa. Expect another 1 or 2 low level players to make up the squad, or else the likes of Pennant to stay.
Just checked uefa site. Basically says numbers 18-25 on the squad are reserved for "Locally Based Players". A Locally based player can be either club trained (registered with his present club between age 15-21) or association trained (registered with any club in the country of his current club between age 15-21). Also, no more than 4 association trained players in the 8 places between 18-25.
However the only penalty for having fewer than the above numbers is a reduction in the maximum squad of 25. So I doubt it's the main reason behind Rafa's transfers.
Quote from: Uladh on July 10, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
I think those have been the champions league requirements for a few seasons now az
uladh, the rule was there in previous years but it was 6 players (squad nos 20-25) rather than 8.
Quote from: Mentalman on July 10, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:32:55 PM
Degen is a right-back.
Don't know if he's any good but he's a right-back. ;D
Well he couldn't get his place on a poor enough Swiss side, but it remains to be seen I suppose.
He was a regular in the Swiss team but only recovered from a bad inury right before the Euros. Had lost his place by then. Remains to be seen how he does but I've heard he is very good going forward. Not so good defending.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on July 10, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:32:55 PM
Degen is a right-back.
Don't know if he's any good but he's a right-back. ;D
Well he couldn't get his place on a poor enough Swiss side, but it remains to be seen I suppose.
He was a regular in the Swiss team but only recovered from a bad inury right before the Euros. Had lost his place by then. Remains to be seen how he does but I've heard he is very good going forward. Not so good defending.
We just sold someone like that :-\
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:51:15 PM
He was a regular in the Swiss team but only recovered from a bad inury right before the Euros. Had lost his place by then. Remains to be seen how he does but I've heard he is very good going forward. Not so good defending.
Not to worry, that's what Liverpool have Kuyt for :)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 10, 2008, 04:57:07 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on July 10, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:32:55 PM
Degen is a right-back.
Don't know if he's any good but he's a right-back. ;D
Well he couldn't get his place on a poor enough Swiss side, but it remains to be seen I suppose.
He was a regular in the Swiss team but only recovered from a bad inury right before the Euros. Had lost his place by then. Remains to be seen how he does but I've heard he is very good going forward. Not so good defending.
We just sold someone like that :-\
Risse unfortunately wasn't particularly good at either!
Rafa promises big-name striker
Rafa Benitez says there will be at least one new striker at Liverpool this summer, but admits no end is in sight over the Gareth Barry saga.
The Liverpool boss has admitted his exasperation at the drawn-out campaign to prise Barry from Aston Villa, which shows no sign of ending.
And the Spaniard has also revealed the growing financial problems he is having in the transfer market.
He admits that Tottenham skipper Robbie Keane is a target, but although he is also a big fan of Valencia and Spain striker David Villa, a move seems unlikely.
Benitez unveiled two new full-backs on Thursday, Swiss international Philipp Degen and £6million Italian defender Andrea Dossena, and expects to formally announce a £3million deal for Brazilian goalkeeper Diego Cavalieri in the near future.
But it has become increasingly obvious that Benitez is working with a much smaller budget than was expected at the end of last season when figures of £25-30million were being suggested as a potential kitty.
He admitted: "We know the situation regarding what we can spend, and we are trying to find solutions if we do not have enough money.
"And we will still try to sign players that will make us better. But if you do not have too much money, and that is clear, we will have to have a little bit of imagination to progress in the market.
"Everyone knows what our ideas are and what players we want. We are working hard with different names now, and at the moment that is not (David) Villa.
"We will have another main striker before the season starts, maybe two."
He added: "We had our ideas at the end of the season. We have tried to use players to raise money for business in the past, sometimes selling players who have not settled down.
"This summer it is very much the same idea. We know we will have to sell some players if we want some cash. So we have to do that.
"The fans must trust us, we are working hard during the summer with a lot of people in different countries working for us.
"We have a new keeper. And we are looking for a lot of players for the right price.
"Now if we want to spend we can do it. But we have to be careful what we do spend."
There have been rumours for weeks that Benitez is working with very little money, although sources insist that he can complete the deal for Barry without selling Xabi Alonso.
That deal - with Juventus - has also gone cold and Benitez revealed: "The situation with Alonso has not changed.
"Juventus made an offer that was not good enough and now we are just waiting. I do not know, really, whether that will go through.
"Xabi wants to stay because he is happy here but he also knows that Juventus is a top side. I have talked to him, he knows my ideas and he knows why. So we will try to find a solution for him, for us, and the best for the club."
Liverpool have been linked continually with Irish striker Keane.
Benitez said: "David Villa is one of the players on our list, but at this moment I do not see it being an option for us.
"Keane is also one of the names we are interested in, and we are still working on other possible situations.
"There has been some contact (over Keane) but we will have to see how things progress."
On Villa, he added: "We know he is a very good player, we know the price, and we know the players we have. At this moment he is not our target.
"We are still waiting on Gareth Barry. I prefer now not to say anything and to wait."
Sources at the club claim the price for the Villa midfielder could have risen above the £18million the midlanders' manager Martin O'Neill was believed to want.
There is a growing frustration at Anfield with the continual shifting of the position, and the elimination from the deal of several Reds players who initially interested Villa, but who are now not on O'Neill's wishlist.
And now the fact that Barry is banned from Villa's training ground and has already missed a week of vital pre-season work is also worrying Liverpool and could, it is claimed, affect their willingness to meet Villa's demands regarding the fee.
With Aston Villa away at a Swiss training camp, and Liverpool soon to be in the same country next week at their own base, the conclusion of the Barry saga looks some way off.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 10, 2008, 04:16:26 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on July 10, 2008, 03:54:41 PM
Can't understand why Liverpool would sell Crouch and then buy Keane. Both of equal worth to the team. Maybe Crouch did not want so much bench time but would Keane be happy?
Well that's only true if you view both of them as being similiar. Which they aren't. Crouch can only play right up the top where Torres likes to play while Keane can play right up the top, he can play in behind a front man and he could play as part of a front three. As well as being more versatile than Crouch he has a better goalscoring record than him in the league.
Might have something to do with the fact that he played far more games in the league :-\
Crouch could only play in the very few games where either we played 4-4-2 or Torres was rested/injured. That was it.
Keane can do that, but can also play in any of the front 4 positions when Rafa goes 4-2-3-1. Therefore he should be a far more useful/valuable player than Crouch.
Will his patented "run away from the ball pretending it was a dummy" be the key to ending Liverpools long wait for the title?
Fowler for Baclburn - God could be back in the Premiership.
Btw Insua will make a big impact this year.
Was shocked when I heard about Fowler & Blackburn.
Thought that was it over for him when he went to Cardiff - and he didnt exactly set the world alight there
Perhaps Ince is looking after his mate & former playing colleague
Sounds a bit like that but who cares if Fowler gets to run around the premierhsip again.
Liverpool have today confirmed the signing of goalkeeper Diego Cavalieri from Brazilian outfit Palmeiras.
The 25-year-old has penned a four-year contract with the Reds and will act as understudy to Pepe Reina in the Liverpool goal.
After becoming the third major arrival at Anfield over the summer, Cavalieri - who was born in Brazil but holds an Italian passport - is now looking forward to the chance of establishing himself in the Premier League.
"I know it won't be easy to get into the team," he told Liverpoolfc.tv in his first interview since arriving in England. "I watched some Liverpool games in both the Premier League and Champions League last year and I know Pepe is a very good goalkeeper. But everyone has to fight for their place and I'm sure we will have a healthy rivalry.
"I know I will have to be patient and work very hard to achieve my aims – but it is always like that when you come from another country. You have to adapt inside and outside of the pitch and get used to the way things work. But with hard work you get there.
"My confidence has got me where I am today and maybe people are aware of what I did at Palmeiras in Brazil. I am sure that one day I can get the number one position but that will only come with hard work."
Cavalieri, who cites countrymen Taffarel and Marcos as his role models, admits he hasn't had much time to dwell on his dream move to Europe, with everything happening in the space of a week.
Despite the haste in which his life has been turned upside down, the shot-stopper claims he didn't hesitate to pack up his gloves once Liverpool showed an interest.
"I feel very privileged and happy to have signed for Liverpool because everyone knows they are one of the top clubs in the world," he explained. "The name 'Liverpool' is known all around the world. It's an honour to wear this shirt.
"It was a dream for me to come to Europe, though I was taken aback by how quickly everything happened. It's all been sorted out in one week.
"But I have been given a very good welcome from my teammates and the manager, so I'm very happy to be here. I just hope I can respond to all this.
"Rafa and I spoke for a long time on the day I arrived. He explained to me how the football is here and the differences from Brazil. He also talked to me about the responsibilities of representing a club like Liverpool."
Cavalieri is now the third Brazilian at Melwood alongside Fabio Aurelio and Lucas.
The pair have already offered their services in helping the new boy settle into the English way of life – not that the move to Europe is as daunting as it once was.
Ever increasing numbers of South Americans are now cutting their teeth in the Premier League, a trend Cavalieri doesn't expect to change.
He explained: "I had an opportunity to talk to Lucas and Fabio when I arrived and they have welcomed me with open arms. They said that if there is anything I need they will help me. I'm very pleased that I'll be playing alongside some Brazilians.
"I think the quality of the Brazilian players means they can come to Europe. Every day you hear about new players coming through. Also, the European market is very strong and it's very difficult for the Brazilian market to compete."
Quote from: corn02 on July 11, 2008, 10:43:23 AM
Sounds a bit like that but who cares if Fowler gets to run around the premierhsip again.
I for one would be delighted for him
QuoteWas shocked when I heard about Fowler & Blackburn.
Ince's transfer dealings could even make Roy Keane's look good!
Quote from: corn02 on July 11, 2008, 10:03:45 AM
Fowler for Baclburn - God could be back in the Premiership.
Btw Insua will make a big impact this year.
Why do you think that Corn? I would like to see him deliver on the potential he has shown, but surely we will only see him fleetingly again this season due to Dossena's arrival? Was there not chat that Insua was offered to Villa as part of the first Barry offer? He looks v good going forward, but has looked shaky defending as well.
Guthrie looks to be on his way to Newcastle, 2m.
QuoteI for one would be delighted for him
That's terrible. Watching one of your former heros making an eejit of himself as he is patently over the hill would make you happy? Eaten bread.... ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 11, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
QuoteI for one would be delighted for him
That's terrible. Watching one of your former heros making an eejit of himself as he is patently over the hill would make you happy? Eaten bread.... ;)
Are you worried he'll be pulling the five finger salute again? His record aginst United isn't bad. ;)
Surprised at the move and I'm sure Robbie himself is. Injuries and weight have taken their toll on him and was sure he'd be happy at home counting his houses at this stage.
Saying that, I'd have himover Voronin any day of any week.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 11, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
QuoteI for one would be delighted for him
That's terrible. Watching one of your former heros making an eejit of himself as he is patently over the hill would make you happy? Eaten bread.... ;)
Your attempts at humor are pretty dire :D
Yeah why would you be happy for one of the Premierships greatest ever strikers getting a contract at a Premier League club at the ripe auld age of 33 ::)
Aye sure there are no examples of older "over the hill" players " going to clubs and and still turning in a few decent performances,Sure Gary Macallister at Liverpool or Dwight Yorke at Sunderland never happened
He obviously ain't going to play him in every game but i have no doubt the younger players coming through the Blackburn setup will look up to someone like Fowler,And who knows maybe he will take up a coaching job there next season..
I wish him all the best
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 11, 2008, 09:45:12 AM
Will his patented "run away from the ball pretending it was a dummy" be the key to ending Liverpools long wait for the title?
Even though Im one of Keane's biggest critics when he plays for Ireland(even though his goal scored tally would prove me wrong) You can't deny his record for Spurs has been excellent over the past few years..23 goals in all competions last year is a decent return for anybody,And if he was playing with someone of the talent of Torres,Gerrard and maybe Barry which he doesn't have at Spurs I believe he would be a excellent player for Liverpool,just the type of player we are looking for actually imho
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2008, 03:37:48 PM
I believe he would be a excellent player for Liverpool,just the type of player we are looking for actually imho
IMHO LL a strike should not be your main priority
You could do with a few more creative players rather than a finisher
Quote from: full back on July 11, 2008, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2008, 03:37:48 PM
I believe he would be a excellent player for Liverpool,just the type of player we are looking for actually imho
IMHO LL a strike should not be your main priority
You could do with a few more creative players rather than a finisher
Probably why their looking for Barry i would guess! No harm in having another top class striker either though is there
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: full back on July 11, 2008, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2008, 03:37:48 PM
I believe he would be a excellent player for Liverpool,just the type of player we are looking for actually imho
IMHO LL a strike should not be your main priority
You could do with a few more creative players rather than a finisher
Probably why their looking for Barry i would guess! No harm in having another top class striker either though is there
No harm indeed LL, but if you arent creating the chances it wouldnt matter if you had the Lord himself up front ;)
Liverpool are more than Barry & Keane short of winning the PL
Quote from: full back on July 11, 2008, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: full back on July 11, 2008, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 11, 2008, 03:37:48 PM
I believe he would be a excellent player for Liverpool,just the type of player we are looking for actually imho
IMHO LL a strike should not be your main priority
You could do with a few more creative players rather than a finisher
Probably why their looking for Barry i would guess! No harm in having another top class striker either though is there
No harm indeed LL, but if you arent creating the chances it wouldnt matter if you had the Lord himself up front ;)
Liverpool are more than Barry & Keane short of winning the PL
I believe he has signed for Blackburn ;)
W4nker :D
Look lads, Liverpool need two decent full-backs, and wingers who can make some sort of an effect on the game. I will reserve judgement on the two new full-backs (Dossena and Degen) until i see them play, but unless they can get up and down the pitch, are comfortable on the ball, capable of overlapping the midfield, and not intent in passing the ball to Gerrard every time they get it, then they are not what we need. Look at what Evra, Cole, Sagna, Clichy etc. offer to their sides.
As for Gareth Barry, as many posters have said, I don't think he will transform Liverpool into a premiership-challenging team (and this is what we want, a team that shows they can at least challenge for the title, before we can think about winning it). Will he be able to offer anything that Xabi Alonso can't?
An earlier poster there is talking about Liverpool needing more creativity, and this is spot on. Players like Pennant and Benayoun aren't good enough. End of story. I reckon Babel has potential, but we will see this season. Chelsea got it wrong last season with Malouda imo. They were missing an extra creative edge (that Robben had previosuly provided), that Ronaldo obviously gave Man utd, and that made the difference. It's a problem Arsenal have also, in that their players are too keen on holding on to the ball and they get narrow. They find it difficult to stretch teams. At the minute, Liverpool don't have the quality required in these positions, and this is evident when you see Dirk Kuyt on the right wing. The absence of such players is particularly noticeable against the other "big 4" teams - the specific games Liverpool need to start winning.
Crouch gone for 11m. great business in my opinion.
Im sure he would have preferred to stay at Liverpool but realised he wasnt part of Rafa's plans. Never mind, im sure his missus will give him a shoulder to cry on ;)
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Quote from: Will Hunting on July 11, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
Look lads, Liverpool need two decent full-backs, and wingers who can make some sort of an effect on the game. I will reserve judgement on the two new full-backs (Dossena and Degen) until i see them play, but unless they can get up and down the pitch, are comfortable on the ball, capable of overlapping the midfield, and not intent in passing the ball to Gerrard every time they get it, then they are not what we need. Look at what Evra, Cole, Sagna, Clichy etc. offer to their sides.
As for Gareth Barry, as many posters have said, I don't think he will transform Liverpool into a premiership-challenging team (and this is what we want, a team that shows they can at least challenge for the title, before we can think about winning it). Will he be able to offer anything that Xabi Alonso can't?
An earlier poster there is talking about Liverpool needing more creativity, and this is spot on. Players like Pennant and Benayoun aren't good enough. End of story. I reckon Babel has potential, but we will see this season. Chelsea got it wrong last season with Malouda imo. They were missing an extra creative edge (that Robben had previosuly provided), that Ronaldo obviously gave Man utd, and that made the difference. It's a problem Arsenal have also, in that their players are too keen on holding on to the ball and they get narrow. They find it difficult to stretch teams. At the minute, Liverpool don't have the quality required in these positions, and this is evident when you see Dirk Kuyt on the right wing. The absence of such players is particularly noticeable against the other "big 4" teams - the specific games Liverpool need to start winning.
Agree 100%. Chelsea lost it last year with their lack of creativity. Malouda was a waste of space, and hopefully has taken a season to settle, while SWP and Cole are good on their day but not often enough. Robben was too injury prone, and selling him was the right thing to do but we need to fill this position this summer I think.
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 11, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
Look lads, Liverpool need two decent full-backs, and wingers who can make some sort of an effect on the game. I will reserve judgement on the two new full-backs (Dossena and Degen) until i see them play, but unless they can get up and down the pitch, are comfortable on the ball, capable of overlapping the midfield, and not intent in passing the ball to Gerrard every time they get it, then they are not what we need. Look at what Evra, Cole, Sagna, Clichy etc. offer to their sides.
As for Gareth Barry, as many posters have said, I don't think he will transform Liverpool into a premiership-challenging team (and this is what we want, a team that shows they can at least challenge for the title, before we can think about winning it). Will he be able to offer anything that Xabi Alonso can't?
An earlier poster there is talking about Liverpool needing more creativity, and this is spot on. Players like Pennant and Benayoun aren't good enough. End of story. I reckon Babel has potential, but we will see this season. Chelsea got it wrong last season with Malouda imo. They were missing an extra creative edge (that Robben had previosuly provided), that Ronaldo obviously gave Man utd, and that made the difference. It's a problem Arsenal have also, in that their players are too keen on holding on to the ball and they get narrow. They find it difficult to stretch teams. At the minute, Liverpool don't have the quality required in these positions, and this is evident when you see Dirk Kuyt on the right wing. The absence of such players is particularly noticeable against the other "big 4" teams - the specific games Liverpool need to start winning.
Spot on.
I will be very interested to see how Degen and Dossena get on, or are Insua and Arbeloa going to step up.
Also I'm wondering are they going to get to move Carson on? Otherwise today's arrival from Brazil puzzles me, at a time when money seems to be at a premium.
The areas Liverpool need to improve in are more than obvious - fullbacks and good wide/creative players, another quality striker - pretty much in that order of priority.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 11, 2008, 04:50:05 PM
Quote from: Will Hunting on July 11, 2008, 04:41:18 PM
Look lads, Liverpool need two decent full-backs, and wingers who can make some sort of an effect on the game. I will reserve judgement on the two new full-backs (Dossena and Degen) until i see them play, but unless they can get up and down the pitch, are comfortable on the ball, capable of overlapping the midfield, and not intent in passing the ball to Gerrard every time they get it, then they are not what we need. Look at what Evra, Cole, Sagna, Clichy etc. offer to their sides.
As for Gareth Barry, as many posters have said, I don't think he will transform Liverpool into a premiership-challenging team (and this is what we want, a team that shows they can at least challenge for the title, before we can think about winning it). Will he be able to offer anything that Xabi Alonso can't?
An earlier poster there is talking about Liverpool needing more creativity, and this is spot on. Players like Pennant and Benayoun aren't good enough. End of story. I reckon Babel has potential, but we will see this season. Chelsea got it wrong last season with Malouda imo. They were missing an extra creative edge (that Robben had previosuly provided), that Ronaldo obviously gave Man utd, and that made the difference. It's a problem Arsenal have also, in that their players are too keen on holding on to the ball and they get narrow. They find it difficult to stretch teams. At the minute, Liverpool don't have the quality required in these positions, and this is evident when you see Dirk Kuyt on the right wing. The absence of such players is particularly noticeable against the other "big 4" teams - the specific games Liverpool need to start winning.
Agree 100%. Chelsea lost it last year with their lack of creativity. Malouda was a waste of space, and hopefully has taken a season to settle, while SWP and Cole are good on their day but not often enough. Robben was too injury prone, and selling him was the right thing to do but we need to fill this position this summer I think.
The only thing is that Cole (Joe) has a lot more in him I think, perhaps Scolari is the man to get it out of him.
Quote from: Mentalman on July 11, 2008, 04:53:34 PM
Spot on.
I will be very interested to see how Degen and Dossena get on, or are Insua and Arbeloa going to step up.
Also I'm wondering are they going to get to move Carson on? Otherwise today's arrival from Brazil puzzles me, at a time when money seems to be at a premium.
The areas Liverpool need to improve in are more than obvious - fullbacks and good wide/creative players, another quality striker - pretty much in that order of priority.
If Intandje is off to Gala and two offers on table for Carson (apparently) then it really is a straight forward purchase of a back up keeper at 3m with the sale of the two others prob taking in 8m. What is puzzling is buying a Brazilian goalkeeper, never had a good keeper that i can recall. Aren't Brazilian keepers fustrated outfield players who were no good in their youth :D
Quote from: bingobus on July 11, 2008, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on July 11, 2008, 04:53:34 PM
Spot on.
I will be very interested to see how Degen and Dossena get on, or are Insua and Arbeloa going to step up.
Also I'm wondering are they going to get to move Carson on? Otherwise today's arrival from Brazil puzzles me, at a time when money seems to be at a premium.
The areas Liverpool need to improve in are more than obvious - fullbacks and good wide/creative players, another quality striker - pretty much in that order of priority.
If Intandje is off to Gala and two offers on table for Carson (apparently) then it really is a straight forward purchase of a back up keeper at 3m with the sale of the two others prob taking in 8m. What is puzzling is buying a Brazilian goalkeeper, never had a good keeper that i can recall. Aren't Brazilian keepers fustrated outfield players who were no good in their youth :D
Ah fair enough...in Rafa we trust, eh? :)
Indeed, I see Taffarel is one of the new boys heros...not known for their keepers alright. :)
Sorry to see Crouchinho go,But he deserves to be playing all the time,He didn't get a fair chance at Liverpool imho..
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/Crouch185_367093q.jpg)
Might be debated but i think this was his best goal for us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_0iEl5NTE
That top doesnt look big enough to fit him! :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/default.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/default.stm)
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Arsenal have made an 11th-hour bid to hijack Liverpool's protracted move for Aston Villa captain Gareth Barry. (Various)
Newly-promoted West Brom and Hull are locked in a battle to sign Liverpool goalkeeper Scott Carson. (Daily Mail)
Liverpool will use funds from the sale of Peter Crouch, Danny Guthrie and the imminent departure of Scott Carson to try and raise funds to buy Spurs striker Robbie Keane. (The Times)
Liverpool winger Jermaine Pennant is in talks with Blackburn about a move to Ewood Park. (Daily Mail)
have a butchers here
http://www.justin.tv/mstv_2 (http://www.justin.tv/mstv_2)
only good up to 5 today
Quote from: Square Ball on July 12, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
have a butchers here
http://www.justin.tv/mstv_2 (http://www.justin.tv/mstv_2)
only good up to 5 today
Cool!
Quote from: Square Ball on July 12, 2008, 03:18:52 PM
have a butchers here
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only good up to 5 today
All i can see is some game involving some team called Man U ???
Here's the Liverpool game
http://www.justin.tv/daave1
that first link was the Lpool game
http://www.justin.tv/mwb67 for the Pool now, getting redirected from Mysports 2 to 1 on the other link, I think they have capacity issues.
The latest WAG on Merseyside...Meet our new Brazillian goalkeeper Diego Cavalieri's girlfriend aka Miss Daniele Muzzi Grecco :o :o
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/Daniele-Muzzi-Grecc_529544a.jpg)
Sweet Jebus!
Ah he was a great signing!!
I saw a fair bit of the friendly v Tranmere. Certainly had a pre-season friendly vibe about it. Liverpool dominated for 90 minutes but hardly created a clear cut chance. Cracking goal by Benayoun at the end of the first half to win it.
Highlight for Liverpool was the return of Agger.
Degen came on for the second half, and was very keen to charge forward. Looks to have good touch and good ability. Reminded me a bit of Heggem. His defensive ability, which is supposed to be his weakness, wasn't tested at all. But at first glance he does look a good option for right back against the rubbish teams. Could be an option at right midfield also.
A young 17 year old Spaniard called Pacheco played up front. Showed small glimpses that he might be an exciting prospect. Nemeth wasn't invovled - I think he's away with a Hungarian underage side.
Team: Martin, Hobbs, Carragher, Agger, Insua, Darby, Lucas, Plessis, Pennant, Benayoun, Pacheco. Subs - Aurelio, Cavalieri, Degen, Flynn, Gerrard, Hyypia, Kelly, Skrtel, Spearing, Voronin.
Nemeth's leading Hungary out in the Under-19 Euro Champo Finals in Czech, first game tomorrow.
sign robbie keane.. keep alonso and don't sign barry.. watch us go
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Stoke agree fee for keeper Carson
Stoke City have agreed a fee of around £4m with Liverpool for England international goalkeeper Scott Carson, BBC Radio Stoke understands.
Carson was at the Britannia Stadium on Monday to open negotiations over personal terms.
The 22-year-old joined Liverpool from Leeds for £750,000 in 2005, but spent last season on loan at Aston Villa, making 35 Premier League appearances.
Carson, who has two caps for England, would become Stoke's record signing.
The proposed £4m fee marks a major reduction in the player's asking price, with Liverpool previously holding out for around £10m.
However, Carson was critical of his original price tag, claiming it could price him out of a move.
Aston Villa had been favourites to sign Carson on a permanent basis, but manager Martin O'Neill's interest appeared to cool with Tottenham keeper Paul Robinson emerging as a more likely target for the Villans.
Liverpool, who have already sold Peter Crouch to Portsmouth this summer, are keen to free up transfer funds as they look to finalise a deal for Villa captain Gareth Barry and continue to chase Spurs striker Robbie Keane.
Stoke, meanwhile, will hope that Carson follows midfielder Rudolph Austin into the club, the 22-year-old midfielder signing in a £1m deal from Jamaican side Portmore United.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/7505679.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/7505679.stm)
Heard an Italian reporter on sky sports news at lunchtime saying that he thinks the Alonso to Juve deal is dead.
4 million for Carson is a bit disappointing as he was being put in the 8-10 million bracket a while back but no point in keeping him and at least we managed to make a decent profit on him.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2008, 03:59:24 PM
Heard an Italian reporter on sky sports news at lunchtime saying that he thinks the Alonso to Juve deal is dead.
Sissoko said similar this morning too, Alonso basically doesn't want ot move, and I think Rafa hinted at that too last week.
If Alonso deal falls through, Barry deal will probably follow suit and ONeill may find himself in a pridcament.
Well if he doesn't want to move and Juve don't want to force it i.e. pay big money then we should cool on Barry and refocus our targets elsewhere - strikers and widemen.
Cash in - Crouch 11m, Riise 4m, Carson 4m, Intandje 2m, Cuthie 2m = 23m
Cash out - Dossena 7m, Brazilian Kepper 3m, Degan Free, couple of kids 1m = 11m.
Surely we have the difference to spend plus a few other pound?
By the looks of it we haven't a bob to rub together and it wouldn't surprise me if our future sending was limited to 10m or so :'(
Looks like we'll be signing the Fat Michael Keane rather then Robbie Keane.
Kean and Silva will be the last of our spending.
Has to mean the Alonso move to Juve is off the agenda, therefore Barry too?
A player I've always realy liked myself, and a not so bad price either:
QuoteJuventus have finalised the signing of Danish midfielder Christian Poulsen from Sevilla.
Poulsen has accepted a four-year contract with the Italian giants and has cost a fee in the region of 9.75million euros (£7.8million).
His arrival in Turin has not proved to be a universally popular choice with Juventus supporters, who feel Poulsen is too similar a player to Mohamed Sissoko.
However, the former Schalke midfielder is relishing the opportunity to play for Claudio Ranieri's side in the coming season.
Proud
"I'm really glad to join such a prestigious club," Poulsen told the club's official website.
"Juventus are one of the top teams in the world and I hope I can do well here.
"I think playing at Sevilla was a good experience for me before joining Juventus.
"I've already seen my new team-mates play several times because, as I said, this is one of the top clubs in the world. They have a great history and I'm proud to be here."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_3818718,00.html
Tottenham have accepted an offer from Man Utd for Berbatov. Where does that leave us with Keane? I'd be surprised if they'd sell both of their strikers.
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 14, 2008, 10:55:26 PM
Tottenham have accepted an offer from Man Utd for Berbatov. Where does that leave us with Keane? I'd be surprised if they'd sell both of their strikers.
That's what I was thinking too. It also means Spurs are in the market for a striker, and perhaps they might use that 28m for David Villa, although I don't think that he'd be keen.
I think spurs will go after santa cruz.
Been a very frustrating summer as a LFC fan - the likes of Santa Cruz, Bentley, Keane all up for grabs & Rafa seems to have put all his efforts in getting Barry, which due to the Alonso situation might not happen now.
Rafa has promised a top striker this summer and I just hope he delivers. However with Man U looking to raise the bar further with berbatov, it looks like another disappointing season for Liverpool. I also think Spurs will come very close to getting into the top 4 places.
Where did you see Spurs have accepted bid for Berbatov?
I see Arsenal have been mentioned has having an interest in Barry?
Doubt very much Wenger will splash out that sort of money.....
It seems they have changed their tune a little. Lastnight it was their headline.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/07/15/sfntot115.xml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/07/15/sfntot115.xml)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7508000.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7508000.stm)
QuoteJuventus call off Alonso pursuit
Juventus have called off their long-running pursuit of Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso after signing Denmark's Christian Poulsen from Sevilla.
Poulsen is the eighth new arrival in Turin during the summer.
And Juve president Giovanni Cobolli Gigli has said he expects that to conclude the club's transfer activity.
"If I have to be honest, unless something extraordinary happens, we can say that we have concluded our transfer activity," said Cobolli Gigli.
Spanish international Alonso had been linked with a move to Juventus all summer, with his departure expected to pave the way for Liverpool to sign Aston Villa captain Gareth Barry as a replacement.
But Cobolli Gigli suggested Danish international Poulsen's arrival would result in Alonso remaining at Anfield.
"I am convinced that we have made a good choice by acquiring Christian Poulsen," he added.
"The signing is not a bet made by [Claudio] Ranieri but rather a tactical decision taken by Juventus, knowing that a powerful attack can only be supported by a strong midfield."
Struggling to keep up with everything across the atlantic here but will Keane really go? I think this would be brilliant.
Jesus DnR where did you come from?
Looks like it depends on the Berbatov situation. The man would be a perfect foil and if we get him and Silva, Rafa will have had a good summer.
Quote from: corn02 on July 15, 2008, 11:20:58 PM
Jesus DnR where did you come from?
Looks like it depends on the Berbatov situation. The man would be a perfect foil and if we get him and Silva, Rafa will have had a good summer.
corn02, Do you think we are seriously after silva?
I thought all those rumours were long dead at this stage.
It would be gas if Liverpool got Silva. Can you imagine Dunphy and Giles during Champions League games! Would be class!.
Yeah I think we will sign him. His price will not be as big as quoted. He had a good Euros but he is quite light, hopefully he can make an impact.
Quote from: corn02 on July 16, 2008, 01:46:38 PM
Yeah I think we will sign him. His price will not be as big as quoted. He had a good Euros but he is quite light, hopefully he can make an impact.
Being lazy about it, he really just reminds me of another Luis Garcia - too light, to wasteful of posession, can't imagine he will tackel back a lot - i.e. not suited to the premiership, will probably score crucial goals in Europe ;)
Can anyone tell me a good company to go on a premership package with?
Looking at Celtic Horizon Tours but their hotel is in st helens.
Anyone used other companies tpo go over? (Heading for the Man U match on sept 13th.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on July 16, 2008, 04:45:07 PM
Can anyone tell me a good company to go on a premership package with?
Looking at Celtic Horizon Tours but their hotel is in st helens.
Anyone used other companies tpo go over? (Heading for the Man U match on sept 13th.
I have used Celtic Horizon Tours quite a bit..But we always have a hotel near enough to city centre(just up from Angels actually ;) )
Maybe they have changed their hotel for this season though i dunno...
game on channel 5 starting are cavieliri degen carragher agger insua benayoun plessis lucas leto voronin and the lad that started up front sat
one nil lucas
one all charles
Very much a pre-season game, hard to take much from it - though I can only hope Degen isnt caught out as easy in a real game.
Two one now thank f**k i backed them!
Finished 2-1, well done our nial!
Pacheco looks like one for the future, him and Nemeth should be given a run out in Carling cup games this year.
That keeper plays like a brazilian keeper all right.
Robbie Keane will be signed by weekend. 20m or so. As per Stevie G's mate on the ynwa forum. He is always spot on and flagged this about a month back.
Vast majority of Liverpool fans are delighted. Good EPL player and always seems to score 15 or so goals. A hard working Rafa type of player, would play along the front 3 places.
Haven't seen it mentioned on this thread but anyone else hear Alonso could be off to Arsenal?
Quote from: bingobus on July 16, 2008, 09:33:24 PM
Robbie Keane will be signed by weekend. 20m or so. As per Stevie G's mate on the ynwa forum. He is always spot on and flagged this about a month back.
Vast majority of Liverpool fans are delighted. Good EPL player and always seems to score 15 or so goals. A hard working Rafa type of player, would play along the front 3 places.
Just had a terrible thought...
If Keane signs for Liverpool we are going to hear "Keano Keano Keano" sung around Anfield :o Arrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh >:(
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 16, 2008, 09:39:38 PM
Haven't seen it mentioned on this thread but anyone else hear Alonso could be off to Arsenal?
Cant rememeber where i read this but can confirm have had the same story. Arsenal are lightweight in midfileld now with Flamini, Helb both gone and losing Diarra to Portsmouth at the beginning of the year, they really need some midfield players. If the price was right i would sell him.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on July 16, 2008, 10:11:47 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 16, 2008, 09:39:38 PM
Haven't seen it mentioned on this thread but anyone else hear Alonso could be off to Arsenal?
Cant rememeber where i read this but can confirm have had the same story. Arsenal are lightweight in midfileld now with Flamini, Helb both gone and losing Diarra to Portsmouth at the beginning of the year, they really need some midfield players. If the price was right i would sell him.
If this is true, and I stress if, I would see it as a sign Liverpool should be holding onto Alonso. If however Rafa is determined to move on Xabi in order to get Barry then he should be mindful of the price he sells him to Arsenal at. We all know the Arsene is a rare judge of talent. We also know he is not shy of moving on players when they are past their best. That would tell me he sees Xabi as a talented player with more to give. Arsene also sees Liverpool desperate to sign Barry, and thinks he can make hay with a move for Alonso at a price he may not get him again at or that normally would be rebuked out of hand. With Gilberto and Flamini gone Alonso would surely get the uninterrupted run in a top side he deserves, one that actually thrives on pass and move. I really think Liverpool could regret taking part in that deal. The other aspect of it is are Liverpool now a club that sells thier best players to their rivals? I also read today that Barry is back in training with Villa, but has done little or no training himself while banned. That more or less ensures you wouldn't see the best of him until midseason. Also reeks of a lad with not the best professionalism to me - as did the interview that got him in trouble in the first place. Anyway, it's all still ifs and buts at this point.
Oh the rumour I heard that I would love to come true is that Liverpool are in for Sergio Ageuro. Again, highly unlikely, but it would be great.
From The Times
July 17, 2008
Liverpool have stepped up their efforts to sign Robbie Keane from Tottenham Hotspur as the impasse continues over the protracted deal to sign Gareth Barry. Rafael Benítez has identified Keane as an ideal strike partner for Fernando Torres and, with Barry's move from Aston Villa being held up by a disagreement over the transfer fee, the Liverpool manager has instructed his board to try to conclude a deal by the start of next week.
Tottenham maintain that they are unwilling to sell either Keane or Dimitar Berbatov, the Bulgaria forward, who has been the subject of a bid from Manchester United, but Liverpool and United believe that Tottenham, having been informed of both players' determination to move, will sell at the right price.
Both players are on Tottenham's pre-season training camp in Spain for the next week, but Keane could be flown to Merseyside - or to Switzerland, where Liverpool are preparing for the new campaign - if the club are able to agree a fee, which is likely to be in the region of £18 million, over the coming days.
Accelerating the pursuit of Keane would suggest a change of priorities on Benítez's part, but the Liverpool manager remains committed to a deal for Barry, even though he would be unable to sign both players without first selling Xabi Alonso.
Arsenal have been linked with moves for Barry and Alonso as Arsène Wenger, the North London club's manager, looks to fill the hole left by the departures of Mathieu Flamini to AC Milan and Gilberto Silva, who is set to join Panathinaikos. Liverpool do not take those reports seriously, though, and are confident that they will find an overseas buyer for Alonso, such as Atlético Madrid, before concluding a deal for Barry.
Villa are standing by their £18 million valuation of Barry, but despite the England midfield player's return to pre-season training yesterday, his departure appears inevitable. Martin O'Neill, the Villa manager, is willing to take Steve Finnan as a makeweight in a deal for Barry, but he has taken issue with Liverpool's valuation of the full back at £3 million. Villa expect to sign Brad Friedel, the goalkeeper, from Blackburn Rovers for a fee of £2.5 million.
Cant see the Spurs off loading both Keane and Berba.
Barry saga has dragged on too long. He is not an £18 million player. Nowhere near it. Barry has made his own bed. Let him lie in it!!
Keane could be a decent buy but again the price suggested is staggering for a bit part player. Very effective at making space, by dropping out wide or coming deep,however it will be the rotation system again which wouldnt help Keane, as he is very much a confidence player.
Said it before and will say it again Alonso should be held onto if at all possible. If true thatthe gunners are keeping an eye on him says it all really!
One of the rumours yesterday was that Newcastle were in for Insua. They'd be pulling out of that pretty sharpish if they saw his performance yesterday. Degen didnt look too hot either.
Voronin, Benayoun and Pacheco linked very well together in the first half - deserved more than the two goals they manufactured. Super finish by Voronin (the pre-season friendly king!) for his goal. I don't like Plessis, the chap has no football in him. Lucas did alright, took his goal very well, but I'd like to see him try and boss a game, rather than settle for being a link man. Leto looked decent on the left wing and it was nice to see Babel back fully fit as he made an appearance in the second half (but its been confirmed he's off to the Olympics shortly).
QuoteI don't like Plessis, the chap has no football in him
Jaysus, that's harsh Hound. I didn't see the game last night, but I saw him a few times for the reserves and the first team last season. I thought he looked like a promising young lad. Nice passing, athletic. Made a few tackles, and didn't do anything too silly. I'd give him more time than that to prove himself good or bad.
Quote from: Hound on July 17, 2008, 07:48:50 AM
One of the rumours yesterday was that Newcastle were in for Insua. They'd be pulling out of that pretty sharpish if they saw his performance yesterday.
Wait an see, he is a class act.
I thought he did pretty well in the Arsenal game last season.
Definitely the performnace of Pacheco was impressive, but for me the return of Agger was the best bit - very classy player and a full pre-season will be vital for him.
A prolonged Agger and Skyrtl combination at centres could be the making of that side.
Quote from: hardstation on July 16, 2008, 10:09:01 PM
At least yis'll have another Robbie.
A blasphemer!!!!!
Are there any women here?.......Sorry that's Ziggy's thread
£18m is a fair price for keane in the current transfer market
Keane would be an excellent acqusition and Barry should be forgotten about.
I agree with the Billy boy that Skertel and Agger would be the ideal CB pairing. They would compliment each other in my view the way Vidic and Ferdinand do. Skertel and Vidic are similar players as are Rio and Dagger. It would seem that Rafa is looking at a slight change in formation if he is looking at Keane but at least it will offer different options
Quote from: Hound on July 17, 2008, 07:48:50 AM
One of the rumours yesterday was that Newcastle were in for Insua. They'd be pulling out of that pretty sharpish if they saw his performance yesterday. Degen didnt look too hot either
One bad game - and now we're selling him? ??? ??? ???
The lad is excellent - he was part of the Argie team that won the U-20 World Cup last year - and I saw him in the flesh a good few times.
It's silly season Gab. Never judge anyone in pre-season, good or bad. Look at Voronin again, off scoring in pre-season again. Wouldn't score in Ma Reilly's with a fist full of €50 notes during the season.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 17, 2008, 11:09:22 AM
Keane would be an excellent acqusition and Barry should be forgotten about.
I agree with the Billy boy that Skertel and Agger would be the ideal CB pairing. They would compliment each other in my view the way Vidic and Ferdinand do. Skertel and Vidic are similar players as are Rio and Dagger. It would seem that Rafa is looking at a slight change in formation if he is looking at Keane but at least it will offer different options
completely agree with that. Although I dont think Rafa has forgotten about Barry just yet.
If we do get keane (and i agree it would be an excellent signing), I think gerrard might revert to right midfield or else CM in a standard 4-4-2 formation. Or else push him up just behind torres & keane in 4-3-1-2. Agger's return to the team will also give rafa another option of playing 3 at the back. anyway, lets just hope the keane deal goes through and then it'll be interesting to see how he sets up the side.
regarding alonso, i wouldnt rule out him departing the club just yet. But cant see rafa letting him go to arsenal. no chance...
I don't think we'll see Steven Gerrard being put out on the right again, except in the odd game where we are going defensive. I have a feeling, on the targets being mentioned, that Liverpool might be playing a flavour of 4-3-1-2 this year, if the targets come off. Width will be sacrificed, with marauding full backs supposed to offer the outlet.
Something like
Reina
Arbeloa/Degan Agger Carra/Skrtel Dossena/Aurelio
Mascherano
Kuyt/Alonso Barry
Gerrard
Keane
Torres
Quote
Reina
Arbeloa/Degan Agger Carra/Skrtel Dossena/Aurelio
Mascherano
Kuyt/Alonso Barry
Gerrard
Keane
Torres[/quote
The balance in that side would be a lot better with Alonso, rather than Kuyt. How likely is Alonso staying? That side might even be good enough to challenge for 3rd. ;)
Great goal from Voronin last night.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 17, 2008, 03:10:48 PM
I don't think we'll see Steven Gerrard being put out on the right again, except in the odd game where we are going defensive. I have a feeling, on the targets being mentioned, that Liverpool might be playing a flavour of 4-3-1-2 this year, if the targets come off. Width will be sacrificed, with marauding full backs supposed to offer the outlet.
Something like
Reina
Arbeloa/Degan Agger Carra/Skrtel Dossena/Aurelio
Mascherano
Kuyt/Alonso Barry
Gerrard
Keane
Torres
I see where you are going with this team/formation, but it does not alow for Babel, unless you see him as being the back up striker for Keane.
I see Babel as a sub this year again, either for Torres/Keane or even if we switch to a 4-1-3-2 formation again.
Stoke withdraw from Carson chase
Carson made his debut for England against Austria in November
Stoke have abandoned their pursuit of England goalkeeper Scott Carson, but other Premier League clubs are still in the running for the Liverpool player.
Liverpool and Stoke are understood to have agreed a fee of about £4m for Carson, but the deal has now collapsed.
Blackburn are believed to be on the verge of making an offer for Carson, with their first-choice keeper Brad Friedel a target for Aston Villa.
The 22-year-old has also been linked with Premier League new boys West Brom.
Carson got as far as travelling to Stoke's Britannia Stadium on Monday to open negotiations over personal terms but an agreement could not be reached.
A brief statement from the club read: "Stoke City can announce that we are no longer pursuing Liverpool goalkeeper Scott Carson.
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It's not really a surprise
sgtpotter89
"The club will continue to look to improve the squad and remain hopeful of closing in on several new signings ahead of the Barclays Premier League campaign."
Carson joined Liverpool from Leeds for £750,000 in 2005, but spent last season on loan at Aston Villa, making 35 Premier League appearances.
The proposed £4m fee marked a major reduction in the player's asking price, with Liverpool previously holding out for around £10m.
Aston Villa had been favourites to sign Carson on a permanent basis but manager Martin O'Neill's interest appeared to cool with Tottenham keeper Paul Robinson emerging as a more likely target for the Villans.
Liverpool, who have already sold Peter Crouch to Portsmouth this summer, are keen to free up transfer funds as they look to finalise a deal for Villa captain Gareth Barry and continue to chase Spurs striker Robbie Keane.
David Hytner and Sid Lowe Madrid
The Guardian, Friday July 18, 2008
Robbie Keane moved closer to his dream transfer to Liverpool yesterday as the Merseysiders prepared to make an offer worth in the region of £20m for the striker, and Juande Ramos, the Tottenham manager, admitted that his club would be duty bound to consider it.
Rafael Benítez, the Liverpool manager, has identified Keane as a realistic target up front - he envisages forming a partnership with Fernando Torres - and as the club's move for the Aston Villa midfielder Gareth Barry encounters difficulties they have made Keane their priority signing.
Liverpool reason that having sold Peter Crouch to Portsmouth for £11m, and with funds tight, their need is more urgent for a replacement striker. They had hoped to sell the midfielder Xabi Alonso to Juventus to swell the transfer kitty but the Italian club signed Christian Poulsen from Sevilla instead and have declared that their summer spending is over. Although Liverpool still want Barry, who is also desperate to join them, they have refused to pay Villa's asking price of £18m. The Barry saga has rumbled on since the end of last season to damaging effect and Liverpool, who have opened a channel of communication with Tottenham, do not want a repeat over Keane. They intend to act decisively.
Tottenham have maintained that neither Keane nor Dimitar Berbatov, their other leading striker, who is the subject of a £20m bid from Manchester United, are for sale. They have not encouraged the interest in either player and, as ever, the chairman Daniel Levy will play hard ball with their suitors. United will have to increase their offer for Berbatov and appear content to play a waiting game, yet things are expected to move more quickly with Keane and Liverpool
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 17, 2008, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 17, 2008, 07:48:50 AM
One of the rumours yesterday was that Newcastle were in for Insua. They'd be pulling out of that pretty sharpish if they saw his performance yesterday. Degen didnt look too hot either
One bad game - and now we're selling him? ??? ??? ???
The lad is excellent - he was part of the Argie team that won the U-20 World Cup last year - and I saw him in the flesh a good few times.
The link was before the bad game.
He is a nice footballer, good ability, good on the ball. But suspect defensively. I'd say he'll be firmly behind Aurelio and Dossena in the pecking order.
Plessis is a donkey. I'm choosing not to like him and to give him no leeway!
I believe the formation will be 4-2-3-1 in any big games. Mascherano and Barry/Alonso as the 2, and Kuyt/Gerrard/Babel as the 3. Keane could slot into any of the front 4 positions - hopefully Kuyt's mostly. I think Babel will play a lot more this year - though the Olympics will delay that.
A big talking point and potential turing point this year will be when Carragher gets left out of his first big game. I have no doubt that Agger/Skrtel will be the best CB partnership.
Quote from: Hound on July 18, 2008, 07:28:00 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 17, 2008, 02:43:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 17, 2008, 07:48:50 AM
One of the rumours yesterday was that Newcastle were in for Insua. They'd be pulling out of that pretty sharpish if they saw his performance yesterday. Degen didnt look too hot either
One bad game - and now we're selling him? ??? ??? ???
The lad is excellent - he was part of the Argie team that won the U-20 World Cup last year - and I saw him in the flesh a good few times.
The link was before the bad game.
He is a nice footballer, good ability, good on the ball. But suspect defensively. I'd say he'll be firmly behind Aurelio and Dossena in the pecking order.
Plessis is a donkey. I'm choosing not to like him and to give him no leeway!
I believe the formation will be 4-2-3-1 in any big games. Mascherano and Barry/Alonso as the 2, and Kuyt/Gerrard/Babel as the 3. Keane could slot into any of the front 4 positions - hopefully Kuyt's mostly. I think Babel will play a lot more this year - though the Olympics will delay that.
A big talking point and potential turing point this year will be when Carragher gets left out of his first big game. I have no doubt that Agger/Skrtel will be the best CB partnership.
Would not agree Agger/Skrtel would be the best CB partnership,Carra has a lot of milage left in him,i wouldn't be ready to kick him to the sideline that quickly
I think Carra/Agger will be the preferred option fot the bigger more important games
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 17, 2008, 03:10:48 PM
I don't think we'll see Steven Gerrard being put out on the right again, except in the odd game where we are going defensive. I have a feeling, on the targets being mentioned, that Liverpool might be playing a flavour of 4-3-1-2 this year, if the targets come off. Width will be sacrificed, with marauding full backs supposed to offer the outlet.
Something like
Reina
Arbeloa/Degan Agger Carra/Skrtel Dossena/Aurelio
Mascherano
Kuyt/Alonso Barry
Gerrard
Keane
Torres
You're probably right there AZ. And it also helps understand why Rafa hasnt gone for Bentley, and is looking rid of Pennant. In general I dont have a big problem in sacrificing out and out wingers (even in some of the very strong Liverpool teams, only one winger was employed - eg. Barnes on left wing with somebody like Houghton or Beardsley on the right), but to operate effectively this way you need at least 1 good creative player who can break teams down through the middle - like Fabregas does for arsenal or the aformentioned Beardsley for Liverpool, and before him dalglish.
Unfortunately I dont see too many players even close to that calibre in the current Liverpoo squad - Alonso, Bennyoun are probably our only real playmakers and we're trying to offload alonso. Keane, if bought will probably help. But yet again I can see us struggling to hurt the top teams and also fail to break down some teams in the top half of the PL.
Rmours we are getting 3mill for Vornoin, world has gone crazy.
3 MILLS for Voronin. His hairdryer is broken, so they need alternative way of drying his golden, flowing locks.
(http://www.norfolkwindmills.co.uk/images/homepage/splash.jpg)
A fellow Liverpool fan made the point that it is typical that we will get Keane for the same price as United will get Berbatov, or near enough. Do people see that much difference in class between them. There is only one year in age difference and Keane has a better strike rate for Spurs..
If you asked me which one I'd want, I think I'd go for Keane. It's much of a muchness though, Berbatov on his day is great, but he's a bit lazy. PRobably Fergie will need the old hairdryer treatment a few times.
Keane has been far better for Spuds than for Ireland, so I'd hope he'd be better again at Liverpool. We'll see.
Quote from: corn02 on July 18, 2008, 10:35:02 AM
A fellow Liverpool fan made the point that it is typical that we will get Keane for the same price as United will get Berbatov, or near enough. Do people see that much difference in class between them. There is only one year in age difference and Keane has a better strike rate for Spurs..
We must know the same fella!!
Berbatov is better because he is not Irish. Prob a more skillful player but nowhere near as hard working outside the box. Keane will give you everything, day in day out and chip in with a fair share of goals. Keane can prob play in a couple of positions, out wide, off a striker or as a striker up front. Berbatov is best and restricted to in the close to the box.
Its horses for courses. I don't think United would need Keane with Rooney and Tevez in that mould, while I couldn't berbatov been Rafa's type of player or fitting his system. Both should do well with their new clubs, although if Berbatov gets rotated too often he may sulk but Fergie always seems to keep everyone happy.
Happy with Keane, once he doesn;t roll like a Irish Gymnast.
Quote from: bingobus on July 18, 2008, 10:42:40 AM
Berbatov is better because he is not Irish. Prob a more skillful player but nowhere near as hard working outside the box. Keane will give you everything, day in day out and chip in with a fair share of goals. Keane can prob play in a couple of positions, out wide, off a striker or as a striker up front. Berbatov is best and restricted to in the close to the box.
Its horses for courses. I don't think United would need Keane with Rooney and Tevez in that mould, while I couldn't berbatov been Rafa's type of player or fitting his system. Both should do well with their new clubs, although if Berbatov gets rotated too often he may sulk but Fergie always seems to keep everyone happy.
Happy with Keane, once he doesn;t roll like a Irish Gymnast.
Eh??? Strange comment to make.
But I agree, Berbatov will suit utd better & keane should suit Liverpool - hopefully form a great partnership with torres.
I meant that tongue in cheek. Berbatov would be hyped more as a stylist foreigner while Keane would be a lowly Paddy. Even the Irish press would talk down Keane if you get me.
ah yes, understood. Thats certainly true and if both deals go through, I'd expect Keane to go for at least 5-6m less than Berbatov, even though both players could prove equal worth to the clubs involved. Actually, of the two, I think Berbatov would be the riskier purchase.
QuoteScott Carson has today signed for Barclays Premier League new boys West Bromwich Albion.
The England international goalkeeper has reportedly penned a four-year deal at the Hawthorns after the two clubs struck a deal.
Carson made nine Liverpool appearances after signing from Leeds in January 2005.
The highlight of his Anfield career came when he featured against Juventus in the quarter-finals of the 2005 Champions League.
The past two seasons have been spent on loan at Charlton and Aston Villa, in which time he has won two international caps.
Deal done, no mention of money but would probably be £3.5 - £4. Bets of luck to him, he never really got the chance to impress but he is a decent keeper.
3.25million.
Quote from: corn02 on July 18, 2008, 03:22:56 PM
3.25million.
Rising to 4 on appearances I believe.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 18, 2008, 08:09:34 AM
Would not agree Agger/Skrtel would be the best CB partnership,Carra has a lot of milage left in him,i wouldn't be ready to kick him to the sideline that quickly
I think Carra/Agger will be the preferred option fot the bigger more important games
Carragher made an enormous amount of errors last year. Although they generally get ignored by Liverpool fans. He definitely lost half a yard of pace last year resulting in many of the last ditch tackles he's famous for getting the man rather than the ball.
Skrtel wasnt immune from errors himself, but that was mostly down to naivitey, when he looked like he was trying to be Alan Hansen (not always a good idea to give new signings videos of past triumphs ;D ). They are easily cut out. Agger is a far better centre back than Carragher, and I'm sure Skrtel will prove to be similar by Christmas.
Quote from: Hound on July 18, 2008, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 18, 2008, 08:09:34 AM
Would not agree Agger/Skrtel would be the best CB partnership,Carra has a lot of milage left in him,i wouldn't be ready to kick him to the sideline that quickly
I think Carra/Agger will be the preferred option fot the bigger more important games
Carragher made an enormous amount of errors last year. Although they generally get ignored by Liverpool fans. He definitely lost half a yard of pace last year resulting in many of the last ditch tackles he's famous for getting the man rather than the ball.
Skrtel wasnt immune from errors himself, but that was mostly down to naivitey, when he looked like he was trying to be Alan Hansen (not always a good idea to give new signings videos of past triumphs ;D ). They are easily cut out. Agger is a far better centre back than Carragher, and I'm sure Skrtel will prove to be similar by Christmas.
Well sure time will tell..I still think Carra will be first choice CB along with Agger for the major games
This season will certainly be a challenge for Carragher as there is now some genuine competition for the CB positions. I agree with Hound that Carra certainly made some uncharacteristic errors last season and seems to have lost a yard of pace. However, in fairness to the guy, for the first half of the season he was carrying the centre of defence on his own being partnered with Hyppia, Aurelio & even Hobbs at times. And even when Skrtel arrived, there was always going to be a transition period when Carra was relied on to be the leader in the centre. so in that context, I think he did quite well.
At this moment, I think our best partnership would be Skrtel & Agger, however I dont expect Carragher to give up his spot without one hell of a fight.
I can see Carra playing a lot of games at right back. Then you will get the usual tabloid/606 shite that he is unhappy playing out of position - forgetting that Rafa switched him to CB in the first place.
Liverpool 1 up Voronin
1 each just walked it in >:(
Corn I've been finding it hard to keep track of everything out here! When I was told that Keane could possibly go to liverpool I thought I was being subject to a cruel joke but can't believe it might actually happen, almost surreal. I will definately be in some pub on 16th August at 11 in the morning waiting to see him! I think 20m is a bit much but in this stagnant market I say f**k it, pay it, he could be the missing link.
He could indeed Dnr , but big hitch last nuight as Spurs reported us over Keane and United over Berbatov, would be hard to see it happening now.
Quote from: corn02 on July 19, 2008, 08:54:15 PM
He could indeed Dnr , but big hitch last nuight as Spurs reported us over Keane and United over Berbatov, would be hard to see it happening now.
cant be classed as tapping up if the club makes an official bid which i believe we have
Levy is notorious difficult to deal with - an arrogant W of the highest order by all accounts.
But I think it could be a case of, that Spurs are going to sell their two main strikers, so this is one for the fans to show they are at least fighting for them. But I was reading on Friday that there are strong rumours Spurs have two strikers lined up - don't know who but they both play in the same country for different clubs. I'd guess one could be Huntelaar.
Quote from: Hound on July 20, 2008, 08:08:31 AM
Levy is notorious difficult to deal with - an arrogant W of the highest order by all accounts.
But I think it could be a case of, that Spurs are going to sell their two main strikers, so this is one for the fans to show they are at least fighting for them. But I was reading on Friday that there are strong rumours Spurs have two strikers lined up - don't know who but they both play in the same country for different clubs. I'd guess one could be Huntelaar.
could it be wayne rooney and micheal owen you tit?
pavlachenko and ashaven
Etoo and milito I reckon. Cant see them landing both though
FERNANDO TORRES announced his determination to win the Premier League immediately after Spain's triumph at the European Championships.
The striker said Liverpool HAD to land the title this term — and there's no doubt some of his team-mates feel the same.
More than ever before, the pressure is mounting for boss Rafa Benitez, who has failed to get anywhere near the champions in his previous four attempts.
You could argue that his signings this summer are the most important of his spell at Anfield. This season could be make or break.
Because if Liverpool do not win the league this season, I wonder how long Torres, 24, will hang around.
Left-back Andrea Dossena has arrived for £6million from Udinese, £3m keeper Diego Cavalieri joins from Palmeiras and Swiss defender Philipp Degen has come on a free from Borussia Dortmund.
Solid signings — but hardly earth-shattering.
So it is vital that Benitez brings in a couple of proven, quality players if his side are to get anywhere near Manchester United.
It seems Robbie Keane and Gareth Barry, who could cost a combined total of £40m, are the top choices to bring to Merseyside — and I think both could be a success.
Villa midfielder Barry has already proved with England that he can play alongside Steven Gerrard.
And if they link up at club level, there will be few better midfield partnerships in the division.
An interesting one would be Keane, from Spurs. Benitez (right) sometimes likes to play Torres on his own up front, but having Keane behind him would be a massive plus.
Torres will get on the end of scraps as Keane pulls people out of position to make things happen.
Technically, Robbie is a quality player and he has an excellent goals return — his departure would be a big blow for Tottenham.
There's no doubt Torres has the ability to net 25 goals this season and, together, the pair could be dynamite.
But the problem Benitez has is that it has to work this year.
Fast forward to May. If Liverpool have managed only third place, Torres will be deciding whether he wants another similar campaign or if he should head off to Real Madrid or AC Milan.
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I think I know the answer.
I'd love Liverpool to have a tremendous season and to give United and Chelsea a run for their money. It wasn't that long ago that the Merseysiders were the biggest club in the country.
United have overtaken them but Liverpool are still an easy second — in terms of size — ahead of Arsenal and Chelsea.
Benitez has been lucky to lead the Reds in the Champions League, even though his team has not finished top of the Prem.
Allowing second, third and fourth places into the top European competition is a stupid rule, in any case.
But there will come a time when Liverpool have to start performing in the Premier League. I tipped them last term but they let me down.
It would be great if they could do it but I believe United, particularly if they have Dimitar Berbatov up front, will take some stopping.
IAN WRIGHT
On todays paper it said Liverpool were playing Hertha Berlin tonight live on Setanta yet i couldn't find it anywhere
Did we win?
I bought the new grey away jersey today very nice it is too
Never liked the grey ones, not even back in the days of Barnes and Beardsley. The white shirts are always the nicest away strips.
Quote from: J70 on July 22, 2008, 09:52:31 PM
Never liked the grey ones, not even back in the days of Barnes and Beardsley. The white shirts are always the nicest away strips.
No way hos-ay! I love the old Crown Paints grey one..The new one is very similar to it.I think its a fine top,Don't like the new red one at all
Also some of the more recent white ones haven't been great..especially last years
Anyone rememeber the Ecru one? jaysis that was vile
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 22, 2008, 09:45:22 PM
On todays paper it said Liverpool were playing Hertha Berlin tonight live on Setanta yet i couldn't find it anywhere
Did we win?
I bought the new grey away jersey today very nice it is too
Zero - zero
Quote from: Minder on July 22, 2008, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 22, 2008, 09:45:22 PM
On todays paper it said Liverpool were playing Hertha Berlin tonight live on Setanta yet i couldn't find it anywhere
Did we win?
I bought the new grey away jersey today very nice it is too
Zero - zero
What was the first XI?
Nool Nool as Stuart Hall would say.
Liverpool: Cavalieri, Insua, Carragher (captain), Agger, Darby, Leto, Mascherano, Plessis, Pennant, Voronin, Pacheco. Subs - Hyypia, Kuyt, Skrtel, Degen, Dossena, Benayoun, Spearing, Hobbs, Martin
I saw Voronin miss a penalty. Not a bad save, but not a great pen.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 22, 2008, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 22, 2008, 09:52:31 PM
Never liked the grey ones, not even back in the days of Barnes and Beardsley. The white shirts are always the nicest away strips.
No way hos-ay! I love the old Crown Paints grey one..The new one is very similar to it.I think its a fine top,Don't like the new red one at all
Also some of the more recent white ones haven't been great..especially last years
Anyone rememeber the Ecru one? jaysis that was vile
I had to look up "ecru"! :-[ ;D
Which one was that? The kind of creamish thing they had the first year they signed with Reebok (96-97 if memory serves). Or some other one?
Yeah, sort of a beige/cream coloured one. The crest was the oval patch. It was Reebok's creation.
I actually hated the old 1992 -ish Green with the three white stripes over the shoulder. That was mank.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 23, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
Yeah, sort of a beige/cream coloured one. The crest was the oval patch. It was Reebok's creation.
I actually hated the old 1992 -ish Green with the three white stripes over the shoulder. That was mank.
That jersey always reminds me of Mike Marsh! I have a very vivid memory of him wearing that jersey. Horrid jersey :o
Don Hutchinson and Ronny's invention of the cross bar challenge at Villa Park.
another youngun signed from spain. a defender.
Yeah purely for the reserves.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 23, 2008, 09:18:59 AM
Yeah, sort of a beige/cream coloured one. The crest was the oval patch. It was Reebok's creation.
I actually hated the old 1992 -ish Green with the three white stripes over the shoulder. That was mank.
I liked that one!!! It had Candy as sponsors..
If memory serves me right it actually came out before 1992 because the 1992 season they had the centenary badge and i think it was the first time they had Carlsberg but they retained the style of jersey with the 3 strips over the shoulder..
Didn't Ireland have a similar jersey? I think at the time that style of jersey was all the rage with teams sponsored by Adidas
Yellow Crown paints was my first jersey. about 85 or 86. Still have it in the house and has never been bettered!
(http://students.itb.ac.id/~taufan.wiguna120/Kaos/tukangkaos/x-kaos%20bola/USED%20-%20Liverpool%201993%20-%201994%20Away%20Jersey.JPG)
A favourite of mine
http://www.skysports.com/football/0,19521,11065,00.html
Liverpool land Ngog
Liverpool have announced the signing of teenage striker David Ngog from Paris Saint Germain.
The 19-year-old Frenchman has penned a four-year deal at Anfield and arrives for an undisclosed fee.
Ngog, who is a cousin of former Newcastle United defender Jean-Alain Boumsong, impressed at Parc Des Princes last term, despite the Ligue 1 club's poor form.
The youngster becomes manager Rafa Benitez's fourth signing of the summer following the captures of Andrea Dossena, Diego Cavalieri and Philipp Degen.
Who is this boy? Jesus Rafa would you catch a grip! The fact he is Boumsongs cousin should tell you to stay clear!
Ngog is not for the reserves, he is being put into the first squad. Meant to be a bit of a prodigy but his record is shit.
Any update on Keane Barry et al?
Sorry CORN had a moment!lol
Defore? What :o
Keane lastest: signing start of next week, probably crock of shit.
Quote from: Whacker on July 24, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/0,19521,11065,00.html
Liverpool land Ngog
Liverpool have announced the signing of teenage striker David Ngog from Paris Saint Germain.
The 19-year-old Frenchman has penned a four-year deal at Anfield and arrives for an undisclosed fee.
Ngog, who is a cousin of former Newcastle United defender Jean-Alain Boumsong, impressed at Parc Des Princes last term, despite the Ligue 1 club's poor form.
The youngster becomes manager Rafa Benitez's fourth signing of the summer following the captures of Andrea Dossena, Diego Cavalieri and Philipp Degen.
Who is this boy? Jesus Rafa would you catch a grip! The fact he is Boumsongs cousin should tell you to stay clear!
Yeah Rafa, catch a grip. Ive never seen this guy before but catch a grip. The fact that he is Boumsongs cousin should tell you to stay well clear, amirite?
Most retarded thing Ive read on here in quite a while.
Boumsongs cousin. Not even on a free!
Quote from: Yes I Would on July 24, 2008, 01:08:45 PM
Boumsongs cousin. Not even on a free!
What. The. f**k.
Quote from: Captain Black on July 24, 2008, 01:07:45 PM
Quote from: Whacker on July 24, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/0,19521,11065,00.html
Liverpool land Ngog
Liverpool have announced the signing of teenage striker David Ngog from Paris Saint Germain.
The 19-year-old Frenchman has penned a four-year deal at Anfield and arrives for an undisclosed fee.
Ngog, who is a cousin of former Newcastle United defender Jean-Alain Boumsong, impressed at Parc Des Princes last term, despite the Ligue 1 club's poor form.
The youngster becomes manager Rafa Benitez's fourth signing of the summer following the captures of Andrea Dossena, Diego Cavalieri and Philipp Degen.
Who is this boy? Jesus Rafa would you catch a grip! The fact he is Boumsongs cousin should tell you to stay clear!
Yeah Rafa, catch a grip. Ive never seen this guy before but catch a grip. The fact that he is Boumsongs cousin should tell you to stay well clear, amirite?
Most retarded thing Ive read on here in quite a while.
Perhaps someone from the Liverpool scouting department has, surely it is irrelevant who he is related to. John Terrys brother plays for Leyton Orient.
Quote from: J70 on July 23, 2008, 12:07:45 AM
I had to look up "ecru"! :-[ ;D
Which one was that? The kind of creamish thing they had the first year they signed with Reebok (96-97 if memory serves). Or some other one?
same colour as the suits before the Cantona cup final
Quote from: Captain Black on July 24, 2008, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on July 24, 2008, 01:08:45 PM
Boumsongs cousin. Not even on a free!
What. The. f**k.
To paraphrase Joe Brolly's favourite comment "he is not even the first cousin of a footballer" :P Give the lad a chance, he is young and raw and can be moulded. When Thierry Henry went to Italy he wasn't up to much and he turned out alright.
Minder I think the sarcasm of my posts has been lost on you. Ill put a winking smiley beside any saracastic posts I make in the future, give you a chance sure.
Quote from: Captain Black on July 24, 2008, 03:23:20 PM
Minder I think the sarcasm of my posts has been lost on you. Ill put a winking smiley beside any saracastic posts I make in the future, give you a chance sure.
You should Captain, you are operating on a different level to me.
Christopher Wreh's cousin wasn't bad.
Lionel Messi/Kaka/Ronaldo/almost whoever you like's cousin is relatively shit too.
You forgot about Deco's cousin!
Hands up stupid remark! lol
Taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7523911.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7523911.stm)
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O'Neill wants decision over Barry
Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill wants a resolution to Gareth Barry's proposed transfer to Liverpool as the summer-long saga continues to drag on.
BBC Sport understands Villa have rejected a bid of £13m for the 27-year-old and O'Neill wants to know where he stands so he can plan his own season.
"They've not officially come back to us in any form of writing. It's a really awkward position," he said.
"I wouldn't mind it ending one way or another. We've our own plans to make."
Barry has made public his desire to move to Anfield, but O'Neill added: "We shouldn't be at Liverpool's behest.
We're not sure where Liverpool stand now,We haven't heard back from Liverpool for some time.
"When people say people are in limbo, I don't think that applies to anybody more than ourselves. We don't know whether to move forward or not with it."
And the Villa boss remains keen to keep England international Barry at the club.
"My preference - and hopefully I'm speaking for a lot of Villa fans, if not all of them - is that we would like Gareth to stay at the football club," said the Villa boss.
"That would be great because it will be hard to replace him, but we're not sure where Liverpool stand now."
Barry received a harsh reception from Villa fans when he played in a pre-season friendly against Walsall earlier this week.
He was not involved in the first leg of Villa's Intertoto Cup tie at Danish side Odense last weekend, but O'Neill says he would be happy to pick him for the return leg if he is the right frame of mind.
"He will be in contention for Saturday," said O'Neill.
"I have never not been impressed with him in two years as to his attitude on the football pitch.
"In fairness the Intertoto gives us that chance to get into the Uefa Cup, which we set out to get into by one way or another, and Gareth was a major part of that last year."
Even if Barry did play for Villa on Saturday, he would still be able to play for Liverpool in European competition if he moved to Anfield.
Under Uefa regulations, Barry would still be eligible to play for another team in European competition this season, as the Intertoto Cup is not covered by the same eligibility rules as the Uefa Cup and Champions League.
The first thing that's annoys me about this is O'Neill's attitude. When the story first broke, he was crying to the press about Liverpool doing there business through the media and how unprofessional it was.
Now he seems intent on making every little aspect of Barry's possible transfer public knowledge through the press. First it was the legal letter to Liverpool, now he is setting a deadline.
If I was Liverpool I would let O'Neill sweat it out a wee bit longer. He has obviously planned for Barry to be a Liverpool player by now. He now has a player who has 1 year left on his contract, does not want to be at the club and the fans have turned on him. He can walk away on a free this time next year.
He is not worth 18 million and if Liverpool continue to stick to their guns, they may get him for 12 or 13 million yet.
It seems O'Neill might be getting a bit twitchy. Him and Rafa are stubborn buggers and it will be a case of who blinks first. I've said for some time Liverpool should turn their attention elsewhere. Villa screwed us over Carson so I don't think there is much of a relationship there. It seems Barry has been hung out to dry a little but if he is patient he will get his move eventually.
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 24, 2008, 10:42:37 PM
It seems O'Neill might be getting a bit twitchy. Him and Rafa are stubborn buggers and it will be a case of who blinks first. I've said for some time Liverpool should turn their attention elsewhere. Villa screwed us over Carson so I don't think there is much of a relationship there. It seems Barry has been hung out to dry a little but if he is patient he will get his move eventually.
If you mean screwed insofar as he took him on loan for a year with the option of buying him and then realised he was completely shit and did not want to buy him, then yes hands up, he screwed Liverpool.
Alvaro Arbeloa is "likely to leave Anfield in the near future" as he is "understood to want a return to his homeland for personal reasons". "Liverpool should have no problems in cashing in on the defender, whose stock is at an all-time high following his part in helping Spain win the European Championships last month."
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverp...64375-21403408/
Well LL will be happy anyway
Sounds like Robbie Keane is on the way. he played no part last night for Spurs.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 25, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
Sounds like Robbie Keane is on the way. he played no part last night for Spurs.
Chat on YNWA is that he'll sign on monday
Word on the street, and by streets i mean the ministreets they have at the zoo, is that he may have already have signed the papers and couldbe announced on Monday ,bought for about 15 million.
Looks like the deal is almost done and dusted at £18 million.
Should take someof the pressure of Fernando. Strong price for him all the same!
Quote from: gawa316 on July 25, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
Alvaro Arbeloa is "likely to leave Anfield in the near future" as he is "understood to want a return to his homeland for personal reasons". "Liverpool should have no problems in cashing in on the defender, whose stock is at an all-time high following his part in helping Spain win the European Championships last month."
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverp...64375-21403408/
Well LL will be happy anyway
Good riddance to him,btw whats that about his part in helping Spain win the European Championships ??? Do they mean by him not playing any of the important matches in the tournament and thus not making any stupid errors to allow the other teams to score?
Well LL your oul china Finnan will also be nowhere near the team next year hopefully either!
Quote from: Minder on July 25, 2008, 08:46:18 PM
Well LL your oul china Finnan will also be nowhere near the team next year hopefully either!
Don't see how you can say that about Finnan? While maybe he might not be at the level he was he certainly is a far better option than Arbeola
Finnan very rarely let Liverpool down,he was like our Denis Irwin and i still think if called upon he would do a good job
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 25, 2008, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 25, 2008, 08:46:18 PM
Well LL your oul china Finnan will also be nowhere near the team next year hopefully either!
Don't see how you can say that about Finnan? While maybe he might not be at the level he was he certainly is a far better option than Arbeola
Finnan very rarely let Liverpool down,he was like our Denis Irwin and i still think if called upon he would do a good job
In fairness LL, Irwin was twice the player Finnan is. Finnan offers zero going forward and is the standard of player we need rid of if we are to challenge for the title.
Quote from: Minder on July 25, 2008, 09:06:09 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 25, 2008, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 25, 2008, 08:46:18 PM
Well LL your oul china Finnan will also be nowhere near the team next year hopefully either!
Don't see how you can say that about Finnan? While maybe he might not be at the level he was he certainly is a far better option than Arbeola
Finnan very rarely let Liverpool down,he was like our Denis Irwin and i still think if called upon he would do a good job
In fairness LL, Irwin was twice the player Finnan is. Finnan offers zero going forward and is the standard of player we need rid of if we are to challenge for the title.
Would disagree with you on saying Finnan offers nothing going forward,He was a excellent crosser of a ball and he set up many a goal..
As i said i agree some of his best days are behind him but i would still rather have him at the club than Arbeola
Liverpool are crying out for a top, attacking RB but Rafa seems oblivious to this and is intent on giving us one of the best reserve teams in the land........
Bet you are delighted to be getting shot of that tube Arbeloa
If you get Keane it would be a decent signing
LL, are you on the f**king drink? Finnan & Irwin arent in the same f**king league :D :D
I reckon LL and Finnan have a thing for each other - much to Iris's chagrin
Quote from: full back on July 25, 2008, 09:47:34 PM
Bet you are delighted to be getting shot of that tube Arbeloa
If you get Keane it would be a decent signing
LL, are you on the f**king drink? Finnan & Irwin arent in the same f**king league :D :D
While i wouldn't have as much as a gap between the two as you seem to think there is i never actually said Finnan was in the same league as Irwin i just said he was like our(ie Liverpool's) Denis Irwin as in the way he was dependable and a more than decent full back who very rarely let you down and even more rarely courted the spotlight..
Irwin was very underrated and never got the acclaim he deserved and i think Finnan was the same..
I remember reading a interview with Stevie G a few seasons back just after he was named Liverpool player of the year where he said Finnan was the player he and he said Carra would have given player of the year at Liverpool too...
I would agree Arbeloa was a tube though :D
I have been doing a bit of thinking about the pre season and transfer activity.
Of the big rivals to Liverpool, Manure have not signed anyone yet and Sir Fallic looks like he isn't going to do too much business. Berbatov may come and strenghten the attack, but I think they really should hav einvested in another top class defender. Also the whole Ronaldo thing is bound to have caused disruption.
Arsenal have lost Lehman,Hleb, gilberto and Flamini. Ramsey has come in but he is one for the future. Adebayor is unhappy and might leave and they are still relying on Almunia to keep out goals. The on big positive for them is that Fabregas will come back on a major high from the Euros.
Chelsea have brought in new players in Deco and Boswinga and may bring in one or two more. Deco is good but 30 and it will be interesting to see how he adapts to playing against the likes of Stoke in a wet winter afternoon. Lampard may leave, Drogba is a possible mover too. with a new manager and restless owner this could be a mixture for trouble yet.
Liverpool have the 4 Spaniards coming back on a high, and if Alonso stays I think he can raise his game back to where it was 2 seasons ago. We have gotten rid of some dead wood. We have strengthened the FB positions. Having Dagger back is like signing a new player. With the Kenane deall all but a formality we will have a proven goal scorer as support to Torres. Babel will only improve on a promising first season and the likes of Lucas will hopefully start showing what he can really do.
If the likes of Vorinin, Pennant and maybe even Arbeloa if he is going can be sold we may still be able to keep Xavi and buy Barry.We should pick up £12-13m for those 3. With the younger players like Nemeth, Pacheo and Spearing and the new lad Ngog hopefully bringing new freshness into the squad I think there are more positives than negatives.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 25, 2008, 11:21:04 PM
I have been doing a bit of thinking about the pre season and transfer activity.
Of the big rivals to Liverpool, Manure have not signed anyone yet and Sir Fallic looks like he isn't going to do too much business. Berbatov may come and strenghten the attack, but I think they really should hav einvested in another top class defender. Also the whole Ronaldo thing is bound to have caused disruption.
Arsenal have lost Lehman,Hleb, gilberto and Flamini. Ramsey has come in but he is one for the future. Adebayor is unhappy and might leave and they are still relying on Almunia to keep out goals. The on big positive for them is that Fabregas will come back on a major high from the Euros.
Chelsea have brought in new players in Deco and Boswinga and may bring in one or two more. Deco is good but 30 and it will be interesting to see how he adapts to playing against the likes of Stoke in a wet winter afternoon. Lampard may leave, Drogba is a possible mover too. with a new manager and restless owner this could be a mixture for trouble yet.
Liverpool have the 4 Spaniards coming back on a high, and if Alonso stays I think he can raise his game back to where it was 2 seasons ago. We have gotten rid of some dead wood. We have strengthened the FB positions. Having Dagger back is like signing a new player. With the Kenane deall all but a formality we will have a proven goal scorer as support to Torres. Babel will only improve on a promising first season and the likes of Lucas will hopefully start showing what he can really do.
If the likes of Vorinin, Pennant and maybe even Arbeloa if he is going can be sold we may still be able to keep Xavi and buy Barry.We should pick up £12-13m for those 3. With the younger players like Nemeth, Pacheo and Spearing and the new lad Ngog hopefully bringing new freshness into the squad I think there are more positives than negatives.
Nothing like a bit of PMA Brokencrossbar fair play to ya!
Any chance you'd give the Laois boys a teamtalk before tomorrow nights game v Down?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 25, 2008, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 25, 2008, 11:21:04 PM
I have been doing a bit of thinking about the pre season and transfer activity.
Of the big rivals to Liverpool, Manure have not signed anyone yet and Sir Fallic looks like he isn't going to do too much business. Berbatov may come and strenghten the attack, but I think they really should hav einvested in another top class defender. Also the whole Ronaldo thing is bound to have caused disruption.
Arsenal have lost Lehman,Hleb, gilberto and Flamini. Ramsey has come in but he is one for the future. Adebayor is unhappy and might leave and they are still relying on Almunia to keep out goals. The on big positive for them is that Fabregas will come back on a major high from the Euros.
Chelsea have brought in new players in Deco and Boswinga and may bring in one or two more. Deco is good but 30 and it will be interesting to see how he adapts to playing against the likes of Stoke in a wet winter afternoon. Lampard may leave, Drogba is a possible mover too. with a new manager and restless owner this could be a mixture for trouble yet.
Liverpool have the 4 Spaniards coming back on a high, and if Alonso stays I think he can raise his game back to where it was 2 seasons ago. We have gotten rid of some dead wood. We have strengthened the FB positions. Having Dagger back is like signing a new player. With the Kenane deall all but a formality we will have a proven goal scorer as support to Torres. Babel will only improve on a promising first season and the likes of Lucas will hopefully start showing what he can really do.
If the likes of Vorinin, Pennant and maybe even Arbeloa if he is going can be sold we may still be able to keep Xavi and buy Barry.We should pick up £12-13m for those 3. With the younger players like Nemeth, Pacheo and Spearing and the new lad Ngog hopefully bringing new freshness into the squad I think there are more positives than negatives.
Nothing like a bit of PMA Brokencrossbar fair play to ya!
Any chance you'd give the Laois boys a teamtalk before tomorrow nights game v Down?
PMA is one thing, performing miracles is beyond my skills. :P
I see Leicster have signed Hobbs on loan for the year. Rieira will be the last addition to the Liverpool squad I think.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 25, 2008, 11:21:04 PM
I have been doing a bit of thinking about the pre season and transfer activity.
Of the big rivals to Liverpool, Manure have not signed anyone yet and Sir Fallic looks like he isn't going to do too much business. Berbatov may come and strenghten the attack, but I think they really should hav einvested in another top class defender. Also the whole Ronaldo thing is bound to have caused disruption.
Arsenal have lost Lehman,Hleb, gilberto and Flamini. Ramsey has come in but he is one for the future. Adebayor is unhappy and might leave and they are still relying on Almunia to keep out goals. The on big positive for them is that Fabregas will come back on a major high from the Euros.
Chelsea have brought in new players in Deco and Boswinga and may bring in one or two more. Deco is good but 30 and it will be interesting to see how he adapts to playing against the likes of Stoke in a wet winter afternoon. Lampard may leave, Drogba is a possible mover too. with a new manager and restless owner this could be a mixture for trouble yet.
Liverpool have the 4 Spaniards coming back on a high, and if Alonso stays I think he can raise his game back to where it was 2 seasons ago. We have gotten rid of some dead wood. We have strengthened the FB positions. Having Dagger back is like signing a new player. With the Kenane deall all but a formality we will have a proven goal scorer as support to Torres. Babel will only improve on a promising first season and the likes of Lucas will hopefully start showing what he can really do.
If the likes of Vorinin, Pennant and maybe even Arbeloa if he is going can be sold we may still be able to keep Xavi and buy Barry.We should pick up £12-13m for those 3. With the younger players like Nemeth, Pacheo and Spearing and the new lad Ngog hopefully bringing new freshness into the squad I think there are more positives than negatives.
I hope your right broken, but Chelsea and Utd have spent so much over the previous 2 or 3 years and have such depth that there is quite a gap to be bridged. Arsenal less so, as the young players brought in could take time to settle. Chelseas bubble will burst but i feel it will be next season as the Scolari factor will keep them going for another while yet.
This should be the year to really have a go at these top 3. Now we mightnt win it but if we can contest right till the end then progress has been made and the elusive first premiership shouldnt be far off.
Chelseas "bubble" will only burst if Abramovich pisses off.
New European Away Kit
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Thumbs up!!
I probably should have put in a proviso that I think there is a huge difference between making the jump. But don't forget that two results last year defined Liverpools season, the losses to United. The results against the other top 4 teams will decide the destiny again of the PL and if Liverpool can pick up one win against each of them, at home presumably, I think they will win the PL. Easier said than done but not beyond the realms of possibility.
QuoteBut don't forget that two results last year defined Liverpools season, the losses to United.
In what way? How many wins did you pick up against Arsenal & Chelsea?
Sunday July 27 2008
LIVERPOOL have agreed to sign Robbie Keane from Tottenham, with the Irish international striker ready to be unveiled at Anfield this week.
The clubs negotiated an £18m fee yesterday, while Keane, 28, has agreed to sign a five-year deal believed to be worth £80,000 a week.
Keane will travel to Anfield tomorrow for his medical, allowing Liverpool to unveil the player before the squad flies out to Spain for pre-season games on Tuesday.
Rafael Benitez, the Liverpool manager, was busy finalising the deal over the past two days and has secured the striker he believes has the "game intelligence" to best complement the talents of top-scorer Fernando Torres.
The deal had hit problems in the early stages after the Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy reported Liverpool to the Premier League for making their interest in Keane public. Neither Liverpool nor Tottenham were willing to make official comment on the deal last night.
For Keane it represents the opportunity to play for the club he supported as a boy and compete in the Champions League.
The move to Anfield is the fifth big transfer of his career, having previously played for Wolves, Coventry, Inter Milan and Leeds, and the Dubliner has now commanded fees totalling an astonishing £56m.
With Manchester United finalising their £35m British record signing of Carlos Tevez, the top clubs in the Premier League are finally making their much-anticipated moves in the transfer market, with a summer of record spending in prospect.
The sale of Keane frees up Spurs to pursue David Villa. The Spanish striker's agent, Jose Luis Tamargo, has invited the club to follow up their preliminary interest.
"David likes London and likes how Tottenham play with Juande Ramos," Tamargo said. "This is a club that excites him."
Valencia had claimed they were unwilling to sell Villa after his heroics for Spain at Euro 2008 but their stance softened last week and they will listen to offers of £25m for the player.
- DUNCAN WHITE
The Telegraph
Keanes a great signing, will add much more to the current squad over Gareth Barry.
I don't think he alone will be enough,I hope Rafa has another ace up his sleeve i would like a few wingers..
I thought Stuart Downing would have been a good option
keane is an excellent buy. 18m is alot of money and only time will tell if he's worth that much. But bottom line is that Keane In & Crouch Out represents a huge improvement to the squad.
Depending on what Moyes , O'Neill and 'Arry do in the transfer market, this summers signings should just about cement your customary Champions League Qualifying position --4th
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 27, 2008, 10:31:16 PM
LIVERPOOL have agreed to sign Robbie Keane from Tottenham, with the Irish international striker ready to be unveiled at Anfield this week.
With Manchester United finalising their £35m British record signing of Carlos Tevez, the top clubs in the Premier League are finally making their much-anticipated moves in the transfer market, with a summer of record spending in prospect.
The sale of Keane frees up Spurs to pursue David Villa. Valencia had claimed they were unwilling to sell Villa after his heroics for Spain at Euro 2008 but their stance softened last week and they will listen to offers of £25m for the player.
Be very interesting to see how Robbie gets on at Liverpool. Never been his biggest fan, but I can see potential for him doing well.
I'm very glad United are spending £35m on Tevez rather than £25m on Villa. I'm not sure about Berbatov. The mood swings can impact on his performances, but if his head is right he'll be good. Though I think I'd buy Benezma before him. Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on July 28, 2008, 12:54:55 AM
Depending on what Moyes , O'Neill and 'Arry do in the transfer market, this summers signings should just about cement your customary Champions League Qualifying position --4th
way to be positive. twat
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on July 28, 2008, 12:54:55 AM
Depending on what Moyes , O'Neill and 'Arry do in the transfer market, this summers signings should just about cement your customary Champions League Qualifying position --4th
way to be positive. t**t
I've a feeling he's not a Liverpool supporter
didnt see the " your " thought it said our! my bad GH
Keano has passed his medical - according to the Liverpool Echo
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Keano has passed his medical - according to the Liverpool Echo
think he will be 1 of the signings of the summer. He is a hard working creative player and could play alongside or in the pocket behind torres freeing up gerrard for centre mid or right mid when mascherano returns.
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Did I miss something? When was Henry mentioned as a
4th striker
Good bit of business by rafa - only 2/3 players short of challenging now
Will Keane play 2nd fiddle to Voirinin (sp) :D
Quote from: full back on July 28, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Did I miss something? When was Henry mentioned as a 4th striker
Good bit of business by rafa - only 2/3 players short of challenging now
Will Keane play 2nd fiddle to Voirinin (sp) :D
voronin doesnt play the fiddle, he is lethal on the triangle
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Keano has passed his medical - according to the Liverpool Echo
think he will be 1 of the signings of the summer. He is a hard working creative player and could play alongside or in the pocket behind torres freeing up gerrard for centre mid or right mid when mascherano returns.
Thought that in the pocket behind Torres was Gerrard's best position. He has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder, right side of midfield maybe, but not central.
Quote from: full back on July 28, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Did I miss something? When was Henry mentioned as a 4th striker
I think it was in the Daily Star. I seen it on BBC gossip this morning
Quote from: full back on July 28, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Did I miss something? When was Henry mentioned as a 4th striker
Rooney + Tevez + Berbatov + Henry/Saha = 4
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: full back on July 28, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Did I miss something? When was Henry mentioned as a 4th striker
Rooney + Tevez + Berbatov + Henry/Saha = 4
Berbatov has signed then?
Is it true Keane has scored 20+ for 3 seasons in succession?
Quote from: mackers on July 28, 2008, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Keano has passed his medical - according to the Liverpool Echo
think he will be 1 of the signings of the summer. He is a hard working creative player and could play alongside or in the pocket behind torres freeing up gerrard for centre mid or right mid when mascherano returns.
Thought that in the pocket behind Torres was Gerrard's best position. He has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder, right side of midfield maybe, but not central.
gerrard has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder??? Is this a wind up?
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: full back on July 28, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Did I miss something? When was Henry mentioned as a 4th striker
Rooney + Tevez + Berbatov + Henry/Saha = 4
Very little chance of Utd starting the season with those players (Berbatov & Henry)
Whats with all the United talk ??? f**k on over back to yer own thread :-*
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: mackers on July 28, 2008, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Keano has passed his medical - according to the Liverpool Echo
think he will be 1 of the signings of the summer. He is a hard working creative player and could play alongside or in the pocket behind torres freeing up gerrard for centre mid or right mid when mascherano returns.
Thought that in the pocket behind Torres was Gerrard's best position. He has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder, right side of midfield maybe, but not central.
gerrard has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder??? Is this a wind up?
No, stiff breeze it's not a wind up. Superb footballer but not good at the bread and butter jobs in central midfield........discussed on here on a few occasions..........Rafa obviously doesn't believe it either.........explains why he rarely plays him there.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2008, 02:03:36 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
Quote from: full back on July 28, 2008, 01:51:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 28, 2008, 11:14:17 AM
Picking up Henry and offloading Saha would be very good business in terms of the 4th striker position however.
Did I miss something? When was Henry mentioned as a 4th striker
Rooney + Tevez + Berbatov + Henry/Saha = 4
Berbatov has signed then?
Are you being thick or pedantic?
United will sign Berbatov or a different striker if they can't get him.
They will also sign a 4th striker if Saha is sold.
Back to Pool....still no official word on Robbie....
Quote from: mackers on July 28, 2008, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: mackers on July 28, 2008, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Keano has passed his medical - according to the Liverpool Echo
think he will be 1 of the signings of the summer. He is a hard working creative player and could play alongside or in the pocket behind torres freeing up gerrard for centre mid or right mid when mascherano returns.
Thought that in the pocket behind Torres was Gerrard's best position. He has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder, right side of midfield maybe, but not central.
gerrard has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder??? Is this a wind up?
No, stiff breeze it's not a wind up. Superb footballer but not good at the bread and butter jobs in central midfield........discussed on here on a few occasions..........Rafa obviously doesn't believe it either.........explains why he rarely plays him there.
hes not good at breaking up attacks? attacking on his own ? placing passes to the forwards? gerrard is a complete footballer and can play anywhere, the middle is where he is at his best. Rafa put him on the wings because we lacked speed and creativity there and we had alonso and masch for the middle. When masch is at the olimpics and If we get keane alonso will be the holding mid with gerrard alongside him imo
Quote from: mackers on July 28, 2008, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 28, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
Keano has passed his medical - according to the Liverpool Echo
think he will be 1 of the signings of the summer. He is a hard working creative player and could play alongside or in the pocket behind torres freeing up gerrard for centre mid or right mid when mascherano returns.
Thought that in the pocket behind Torres was Gerrard's best position. He has proved on numerous occasions he is not a central midfielder, right side of midfield maybe, but not central.
I'd like if you told me of the times he has proved central midfield is not his best position because i can't agree with you on your above statement
For me, Gerrards best position probably isnt CM. He can be poor enough at times where tracking back/workrate is concerned, which would be his biggest downfall as a CM I think. Think also in recent years he has stopped putting himself about as much as he used to, and concentrated on the attacking/flair side of his game. Although he can certainly turn on the aggressive side when he wants to (particularly in the derbies).
I think we found his best position last season.
People questioning Gerrard's workrate? I have heard it all now.
KEANE SIGNS 4-YEAR ANFIELD DEAL
Robbie Keane has tonight put pen to paper on a 4-year deal at Liverpool Football Club.
Fourteen years after turning down the club he grew up supporting in favour of Wolves, the Republic of Ireland captain finally completed a dream move following a medical at Melwood.
Keane is the fifth summer addition to Rafa Benitez's first-team squad after the arrival of David Ngog, Diego Cavalieri, Philipp Degen and Andrea Dossena.
The transfer is the sixth major move of a career which began with South Dublin side Crumlin United before the prodigious teenager burst onto the scene at Wolverhampton Wanderers in 1997.
A big-money move to top flight Coventry followed before Marcelo Lippi, manager of Italian giants Inter Milan, offered £13million for his services in 2000.
Keane would team up with Ronaldo and Christian Vieri in Serie A, though the move was to turn sour when Lippi was sacked.
A loan to Leeds United was arranged in December 2000, a deal made permanent six month later.
Unfortunately, Keane's arrival at Elland Road coincided with a growing financial crisis, and he was to join the exodus of stars in 2002 with a £7million transfer to Tottenham Hotspur.
Over the next few years the frontman, famed for his cartwheel goal celebration, finally settled, tallying an impressive 107 goals in 253 appearances and becoming a firm fans' favourite.
So good was his form in February 2006 that Inter president Massimo Moratti admitted his regret at letting Keane go.
Three months before departing for Merseyside he won his first senior honour as a player after helping Spurs beat Chelsea in the League Cup final.
The 28-year-old has also carved out a name for himself on the international stage having made up part of the so-called Golden Generation which emerged in the late 1990s.
The striker was part of the Irish side which triumphed in the 1998 European U18 Championships just months after making his senior bow against the Czech Republic.
His first international goal came against Malta in October 1998 and he is now the Republic's all-time record scorer ahead of Niall Quinn.
Keane famously scored a last-minute equaliser against Germany in the 2002 World Cup, one of three in the tournament.
Few were surprised when former Reds defender Steve Staunton handed him the captain's armband upon taking the Irish reins in 2006.
Quote from: stiffler on July 28, 2008, 06:43:25 PM
KEANE SIGNS 4-YEAR ANFIELD DEAL
Robbie Keane has tonight put pen to paper on a 4-year deal at Liverpool Football Club.
Fourteen years after turning down the club he grew up supporting in favour of Wolves, the Republic of Ireland captain finally completed a dream move following a medical at Melwood.
Keane is the fifth summer addition to Rafa Benitez's first-team squad after the arrival of David Ngog, Diego Cavalieri, Philipp Degen and Andrea Dossena.
The transfer is the sixth major move of a career which began with South Dublin side Crumlin United before the prodigious teenager burst onto the scene at Wolverhampton Wanderers in 1997.
A big-money move to top flight Coventry followed before Marcelo Lippi, manager of Italian giants Inter Milan, offered £13million for his services in 2000.
Keane would team up with Ronaldo and Christian Vieri in Serie A, though the move was to turn sour when Lippi was sacked.
A loan to Leeds United was arranged in December 2000, a deal made permanent six month later.
Unfortunately, Keane's arrival at Elland Road coincided with a growing financial crisis, and he was to join the exodus of stars in 2002 with a £7million transfer to Tottenham Hotspur.
Over the next few years the frontman, famed for his cartwheel goal celebration, finally settled, tallying an impressive 107 goals in 253 appearances and becoming a firm fans' favourite.
So good was his form in February 2006 that Inter president Massimo Moratti admitted his regret at letting Keane go.
Three months before departing for Merseyside he won his first senior honour as a player after helping Spurs beat Chelsea in the League Cup final.
The 28-year-old has also carved out a name for himself on the international stage having made up part of the so-called Golden Generation which emerged in the late 1990s.
The striker was part of the Irish side which triumphed in the 1998 European U18 Championships just months after making his senior bow against the Czech Republic.
His first international goal came against Malta in October 1998 and he is now the Republic's all-time record scorer ahead of Niall Quinn.
Keane famously scored a last-minute equaliser against Germany in the 2002 World Cup, one of three in the tournament.
Few were surprised when former Reds defender Steve Staunton handed him the captain's armband upon taking the Irish reins in 2006.
You beat me to it ;D
Altogther everyone
KEANO KEANO KEANO KEANO
;) ;) ;)
I wonder will we get to see him play wednesday night in Spain?
Quote from: Stalin on July 28, 2008, 04:38:36 PM
For me, Gerrards best position probably isnt CM. He can be poor enough at times where tracking back/workrate is concerned, which would be his biggest downfall as a CM I think. Think also in recent years he has stopped putting himself about as much as he used to, and concentrated on the attacking/flair side of his game. Although he can certainly turn on the aggressive side when he wants to (particularly in the derbies).
I think we found his best position last season.
wat a joke of a post
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: Stalin on July 28, 2008, 04:38:36 PM
For me, Gerrards best position probably isnt CM. He can be poor enough at times where tracking back/workrate is concerned, which would be his biggest downfall as a CM I think. Think also in recent years he has stopped putting himself about as much as he used to, and concentrated on the attacking/flair side of his game. Although he can certainly turn on the aggressive side when he wants to (particularly in the derbies).
I think we found his best position last season.
wat a joke of a post
Didn't think I was going to start this sort of craic with an honest opinion. This was debated on this thread in the middle of last season when Gerrard was playing in the middle of midfield and had a few poor performamces. Quite a few posters did agree that Gerrard was better with a roving role. Do you not agree that some of his best football ever in a Liverpool shirt was last year when he was pushed up behind Torres? You seem to be mixing people with that opinion with people that don't think he's a great player. Calm yourself!
So how will the team line out then with Keane there now? With the current panel
Reina
Degen/Carra/Finnan Skertel Agger Dossenna/Aurelio
Masch Gerard Alonso
Babel
Keane Torres
With Hyppia, Kuyt, Arbeloa,Pennant, Yossi, Lucas (have I forgotten anyone, I haven't forgotten Vorinin ;D)this is a fairly strong 20. Then you have the young lads like Nemeth, Spearing,Ngog,Insua and the new sub keeper and you have a fairly solid squad.
The Barry deal is looking further away by the day. I actually think an outside punt could be made for Duff. I know he is a bit injury prone but he would be cheap, maybe even a straight swap for Pennant. Or if they get some money for the ponytailed pratt and maybe Pennant they could get Silva. I find it strange that Bentley has not been persued.
To the tune of Dancing Queen
You are my Robbie Keane
Running free down the right wing
Robbie Keane Irish and green
The goal machine o yeah
He can pass, he can shoo-oot
Having the game of his life
Give it to Robbie Keane
Irish and Green the goal machine!
What a shit buy and speaks volumes for the fall from grace of Liverpool since the 80s. Ramos must be laughing all the way down White Hart Lane. Keane is not the sort of player big sides invest in. He will not win Liverpool the title. If Arsenal can't win it (and probably won't) I'd like to see the Scousers do it but with buys like this, kiss it goodbye. Crouch would've given you value for money.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 28, 2008, 10:08:06 PM
So how will the team line out then with Keane there now? With the current panel
Reina
Degen/Carra/Finnan Skertel Agger Dossenna/Aurelio
Masch Gerard Alonso
Babel
Keane Torres
With Hyppia, Kuyt, Arbeloa,Pennant, Yossi, Lucas (have I forgotten anyone, I haven't forgotten Vorinin ;D)this is a fairly strong 20. Then you have the young lads like Nemeth, Spearing,Ngog,Insua and the new sub keeper and you have a fairly solid squad.
The Barry deal is looking further away by the day. I actually think an outside punt could be made for Duff. I know he is a bit injury prone but he would be cheap, maybe even a straight swap for Pennant. Or if they get some money for the ponytailed pratt and maybe Pennant they could get Silva. I find it strange that Bentley has not been persued.
There is no way Carra will be right back this year,He and Agger will be the perferred partnership in the "bigger" games
I was watching Nemeth play for Hungary's U/21's on Eurosport the other night..He looks like a right good player.I wonder how much action Ngog will get this year,I'd also like to see Insua and Lucas get gametime i am quite impressed with both
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 10:40:57 PM
What a shit buy and speaks volumes for the fall from grace of Liverpool since the 80s. Ramos must be laughing all the way down White Hart Lane. Keane is not the sort of player big sides invest in. He will not win Liverpool the title. If Arsenal can't win it (and probably won't) I'd like to see the Scousers do it but with buys like this, kiss it goodbye. Crouch would've given you value for money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT4QhgQHP9A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT4QhgQHP9A)
:-*
Keane is turning a wee bit into an Anelka style mercenary....Coventry, Wolves, Inter, Leeds, Spurs, Liverpool! :D
However I think he is a good buy, but a fait bit overpriced.
EH? What's that got to do with Robbie Keane signing for Liverpool?
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 10:40:57 PM
What a shit buy and speaks volumes for the fall from grace of Liverpool since the 80s. Ramos must be laughing all the way down White Hart Lane. Keane is not the sort of player big sides invest in. He will not win Liverpool the title. If Arsenal can't win it (and probably won't) I'd like to see the Scousers do it but with buys like this, kiss it goodbye. Crouch would've given you value for money.
your so right we should have bought aaron ramsey!! ha ha another theo walcott me thinks , expensive carling cup player
Fair enough O'Neill history has shown he has scored goals every where he has played, and hopefully in a better team he will score even more goals. Also he is a clever second striker and i think he will play as a good foil off Torres.
LL I think Skertel and Agger will be the first choice CB pairing for a lot of games. Carra will play his fair share in the middle but will also play a lot at RB.
I have no idea if this is real or if its someone taking the piss but it was linked from the Lfc.tv website
http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=1176573954
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 10:40:57 PM
What a shit buy and speaks volumes for the fall from grace of Liverpool since the 80s. Ramos must be laughing all the way down White Hart Lane. Keane is not the sort of player big sides invest in. He will not win Liverpool the title. If Arsenal can't win it (and probably won't) I'd like to see the Scousers do it but with buys like this, kiss it goodbye. Crouch would've given you value for money.
your so right we should have bought aaron ramsey!! ha ha another theo walcott me thinks , expensive carling cup player
Again,nothing to do with Liverpool buying Keane. Stick to the topic man.
As for scoring goals, I'm not so sure. He scored 13 for Leeds in 46 games. He scored 12 for Coventry in 34. He scored none for Inter in 6 games. He's not a prolific striker.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 10:40:57 PM
What a shit buy and speaks volumes for the fall from grace of Liverpool since the 80s. Ramos must be laughing all the way down White Hart Lane. Keane is not the sort of player big sides invest in. He will not win Liverpool the title. If Arsenal can't win it (and probably won't) I'd like to see the Scousers do it but with buys like this, kiss it goodbye. Crouch would've given you value for money.
your so right we should have bought aaron ramsey!! ha ha another theo walcott me thinks , expensive carling cup player
Again,nothing to do with Liverpool buying Keane. Stick to the topic man.
As for scoring goals, I'm not so sure. He scored 13 for Leeds in 46 games. He scored 12 for Coventry in 34. He scored none for Inter in 6 games. He's not a prolific striker.
No but Fernando is, and id safely say that Keane will bag 15-20 if he can stay clear of injury.
Well, tis your side - all I'll say is that I believe you haven't strengthened the side by losing Crouch and signing Keane. I thought Benitez would've went for a world class striker.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 10:40:57 PM
What a shit buy and speaks volumes for the fall from grace of Liverpool since the 80s. Ramos must be laughing all the way down White Hart Lane. Keane is not the sort of player big sides invest in. He will not win Liverpool the title. If Arsenal can't win it (and probably won't) I'd like to see the Scousers do it but with buys like this, kiss it goodbye. Crouch would've given you value for money.
your so right we should have bought aaron ramsey!! ha ha another theo walcott me thinks , expensive carling cup player
Again,nothing to do with Liverpool buying Keane. Stick to the topic man.
As for scoring goals, I'm not so sure. He scored 13 for Leeds in 46 games. He scored 12 for Coventry in 34. He scored none for Inter in 6 games. He's not a prolific striker.
just a few snippets to prove what a mooron you are
2003 16 goals for spurs
2004 17 goals
2005 16 goals
2006 22 goals the highest ever season tally of his career - scoring 15 goals in his last 15 appearances of the season.
On December 26, 2007, he became only the 13th player in the history of the league to score 100 Premiership goals.
2007 proved to be a remarkable year for the striker with a total of 31 goals and 13 assists from just 40 starts. His tally of 19 league goals in the calendar year was the highest of any player in the Premier League throughout 2007
not prolific you say!!!?? twat
now pipe down
If you take recent form, say from 2004 he scored a goal in just over 2 games for Spurs and Ireland. I think that is fairly consistent. He has scored 169 goals in 443 club games and 33 in 81 internationals. Compared to Henry for instance their strike rate is Keane 1 goal every 2.5 games, Henry 1 every 2.2 games(675 gamesclub and internatiol, 325 goals). It is accepted that Henry has been the orlds top striker of recent years so therefore Keane's record looks favourable enough against that. Also given the fact that he is not always the number 1 striker it is even better return.
I think he will be a very good aqcquisition and will take pressure off Torres in what is going to be a very difficult second season for him with so much expectation now landing on his lap.
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 11:16:09 PM
2003 16 goals for spurs
2004 17 goals
2005 16 goals
2006 22 goals the highest ever season tally of his career - scoring 15 goals in his last 15 appearances of the season.
On December 26, 2007, he became only the 13th player in the history of the league to score 100 Premiership goals.
2007 proved to be a remarkable year for the striker with a total of 31 goals and 13 assists from just 40 starts. His tally of 19 league goals in the calendar year was the highest of any player in the Premier League throughout 2007
not prolific you say!!!?? t**t
now pipe down
Those figures are poor for a striker who was Spurs No.1 man. He actually only scored 11 from 35 league games in 04/05, 16 from 36 in 05/06, 11 from 27 in 06/07 and 15 from 36 in 07/08 with Berbatov setting them on a plate. Keane's miss rate was atrocious and his inability to put away more than half the chances Spurs were creating then was the main reason they never reached the CL positions. Liverpool couldn't care less about FA Cup/Carling Cup/UEFA Cup goals against mostly crap opposition. It's the week-in-week-out league totals that count. Mark my words, you'll be cursing this fella by Halloween.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 11:29:18 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 11:16:09 PM
2003 16 goals for spurs
2004 17 goals
2005 16 goals
2006 22 goals the highest ever season tally of his career - scoring 15 goals in his last 15 appearances of the season.
On December 26, 2007, he became only the 13th player in the history of the league to score 100 Premiership goals.
2007 proved to be a remarkable year for the striker with a total of 31 goals and 13 assists from just 40 starts. His tally of 19 league goals in the calendar year was the highest of any player in the Premier League throughout 2007
not prolific you say!!!?? t**t
now pipe down
Those figures are poor for a striker who was Spurs No.1 man. He actually only scored 11 from 35 league games in 04/05, 16 from 36 in 05/06, 11 from 27 in 06/07 and 15 from 36 in 07/08 with Berbatov setting them on a plate. Keane's miss rate was atrocious and his inability to put away more than half the chances Spurs were creating then was the main reason they never reached the CL positions. Liverpool couldn't care less about FA Cup/Carling Cup/UEFA Cup goals against mostly crap opposition. It's the week-in-week-out league totals that count. Mark my words, you'll be cursing this fella by Halloween.
delighted with the signing myself. We shall see who does better this year, keane or nasri.
If you want to. Nothing to do with this.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 10:40:57 PM
What a shit buy and speaks volumes for the fall from grace of Liverpool since the 80s. Ramos must be laughing all the way down White Hart Lane. Keane is not the sort of player big sides invest in. He will not win Liverpool the title. If Arsenal can't win it (and probably won't) I'd like to see the Scousers do it but with buys like this, kiss it goodbye. Crouch would've given you value for money.
your so right we should have bought aaron ramsey!! ha ha another theo walcott me thinks , expensive carling cup player
Again,nothing to do with Liverpool buying Keane. Stick to the topic man.
As for scoring goals, I'm not so sure. He scored 13 for Leeds in 46 games. He scored 12 for Coventry in 34. He scored none for Inter in 6 games. He's not a prolific striker.
Last three seasons for Spurs
Games 54 Goals 23
Games 44 Goals 22
Games 38 Goals 16
That's a fraction under a goal every two games which is pretty good going by any standards unless you're going to argue that a goal every two games is not good which would be plain crazy.
If he manages anything close to that as the second striker at Liverpool behind Torres I don't think many will be complaining.
Again, you're including the crap he was up against in the Uefa and Carling - competitions none of the top players compete in.
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 11:54:32 PM
Again, you're including the crap he was up against in the Uefa and Carling - competitions none of the top players compete in.
Again I believe his record in the league is something like 80 goals in 197 games (and that includes games where he came on as a sub). So that works out as a goal every 2.3 games or something which is still very good. Not exceptional but very good all the same. Exceptional being a goal in under 2 games which not very many strikers have managed in recent years. I would say only Henry and Van Nistelrooy.
Indeed Berbatov has scored 27 league goals in 69 games since he's been at Spurs. In the same time Keane has scored 26 in 63 games.
Whatever way it's cut his goal scoring record is very good. Not exceptional as I said but definitely good.
Either way we're not expecting him to put in Torres numbers of goals. We already have Torres to do that. Keane will just chip in with his fair share which will ease to pressure a bit on Torres and Gerrard.
I kind of agree with O'Neill in that I don't see much incremental value over Crouch.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing him light up Anfield with Torres, but I have visions of us trying to off load an aging book value after a nothing year.
Keane has a far better goal scoring record than Crouch who only scored 22 league goals in 80 games for Liverpool in three seasons. A goal every 4 games. Fair enough he was sub quite a bit especially last season but that is not a good record and I liked Crouch.
Sold him for 11 million and bought Keane for 20 (who importantly is more versatile than the big man). An outlay of 9 million for Keane. Everyone's happy.
By the way I do think he is a tad overpriced but that is the going rate these days unfortunately when you look at Darren Bent going for 17 million. Andy Johnson going for 12. Carrick and Hargreaves going for 17 or 18 million apiece. Tevez looking like he'll cost Man U 30+ million and Spurs looking for 30 million for Berbatov.
Oh...and another thing.
QuoteTottenham have also agreed to drop their official complaint to the Premier League after Liverpool apologised for their conduct in pursuing the Irishman.
So Liverpool have admitted that their conduct was not what it should've been. So how come when Chelsea were guilty of the same offence the FA were over them (rightly so) like a rash with fines totalling £600,000! It looks like on this occasion the FA are not going to even bother with the charge!
It's not as if Liverpool don't have previous as well. The Ziege transfer IIRC was also a case of Liverpool being found guilty of an illigal approach. However the fines here ammounted to £30,000 in total.
delighted with the Keane signing. reckon he'll form a superb partnership with Torres.
for the people who are questioning his goal scoring record, i think im right in saying that last season he became the first spurs player ever to score double digit league goals for 6 consecutive seasons - 13, 14, 11, 16, 11, 15. Torres is Liverpools no.1 striker so if keane can chip in with 15 league goals a season plus a few assists, then he'll be a big addition to the side.
And as for comparing him to crouch, the bottom line is that he just didnt feature in Rafa's plans, having made only 9 lge starts last season. And I think we can all expect Keane to be one of the first players on Rafa's starting 11 every week so there's no question that the side will be stronger as a result of bringing in keane for crouch. Finally regarding the fee, probably overpriced but again knowing that crouch could have went for free in 6mths, i think Crouch (+11) & Keane (-20) represents very good business.
Keane wont bridge the gap between Liverpool & Utd but it should certainly see them put up a more realistic challenge.
This comparison of Keane and Crouch is a red herring. I'll wait and see how Robbie Keane fits in at Liverpool and that will determine whether he is a good signing or not, but comparisons with Crouch are missing the point. Obviously Crouchy was a good man to do a job in certain circumstances, but Rafa Benitez's Liverpool were never going to play Crouch regularly. That's Rafa's call, for good or bad, and we have to respect his decision.
What Keane will add is a bit of cuteness around the box. He has the ability to drop off the front man, link up play, and play neat 1-2s around the edge of the box. I can see what Rafa is thinking in terms of a partnership with Torres. Torres would thrive off little dink passes in behind, and Keane can do that. Of course, as a second strker, he will also be required to chip in with a few goals, but if he can add 10 league goals or so, I think that would be enough.
With Robbie Keane, I think Liverpool are back to the Keegan/Toshack, Dalglish/Rush or Beardsley/Aldridge type partnerships, and if Keane/Torres works nearly as well as those two, then we'll be happy.
It's crazy money, but if you remember I posted an article from the Kop about the new regulations for 'foreigners' as opposed to 'home grown' players, and Keane is another of those which can be counted as home grown. If the regulations do get stricter again, then Keane's price would go up even further.
If there was a situation in the new season where Torres scored 25 league goals, Keane 12-15 and Gerard 10-12 that would give a nice basis of 50 odd goals. These are not unreasonable expectations for the palyers involved. Then you have Babel chipping in with 8-10 goals, hopefully Kuyt will score a few and then a maybe 20-25 from the rest of the squad this will be a good return. Last season outside of Torres and Gerard the rest of the squad scored 29 league goals and if there was that sort of return from the squad apart from Keane, Torres and Gerard Liverpool would go a long way to having a serious shot at the title.
I think AZ is right in that Keane and Torres could work well with Keane lying deep. I would nearly go back to the time of St John for a comparison. he is not as clever as Beardsley or the King but he is more like Keegan and from what I saw of St John in older footage. Crouch can only play as a central number 1 striker and this was never going to happen with Torres there. He did a good job when he was at Liverpool but had become somewhat redundant. The good thing about him leaving and Keane coing in is that Liverpool will now have to play more to feet and not just be like Ireland under Charlton whenever they stuck on Crouch
One thing about Keane is that he's a big-time confidence player. Gets an early goal and has a blinder but if he misses an early chance he'll have a stinker and put sitters wide. It visibly gets to him as well making him a target for opposing players and then he becomes like a spoilt kid and gets booked.
While I am always cautious of prasing Irish footballers - in case its a bit of green tinted glasses on their merits and performances - I think Keane is a good striker in the same mould as Henrik Larsson.
He has a bit to go yet and is still a bit of a poor mans larsson, but I think people are not keying in on Keanes biggest asset, his goal assists and chance creation ability.
That the lad has scored so many is admirable, esp when you take into consideration the amount of goals he sets up for fellow strikers or team mates.
Like Larsson , Keane is not an out and out striker (like torres) and like Henrik, is brutal at the key things a great striker can do - as in finish off one on ones - Larsson was rubbish at that kind of thing.
However I dont think people reckon Larsson was too bad, and I believe that Keane only has a bit to go to be up there along with him, though I think in his assists ratio, he is there already.
Hope this doesnt affet Keanes playing with Ireland, but if it doesnt, he will be a far better player for joining Liverpool.
Crouch was ok, but not the top level striker (assist creator) that Keane is.
Good signing for Liverpool imo. Great move for Keane and hopefully Ireland.
I agree Lynchbhoy, that's what I meant...
QuoteWhat Keane will add is a bit of cuteness around the box. He has the ability to drop off the front man, link up play, and play neat 1-2s around the edge of the box. I can see what Rafa is thinking in terms of a partnership with Torres. Torres would thrive off little dink passes in behind, and Keane can do that. Of course, as a second strker, he will also be required to chip in with a few goals, but if he can add 10 league goals or so, I think that would be enough.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 29, 2008, 09:31:08 AM
The good thing about him leaving and Keane coing in is that Liverpool will now have to play more to feet and not just be like Ireland under Charlton whenever they stuck on Crouch
Thats a good point brokencrossbar. Anytime crouch came on, it seemed to automatically send a signal to carragher to start entering the "long kick" competition - hit the ball as high in the air and as far down the pitch as possible. Hopefully, those days will be over now.
That said, I wont mind if Reina continues his trend of getting a few goal assists from his long passes down to Torres. ;)
Sorry to piss on yer bonfire over here but I just wonder how many times Robbie, Torres and Gerrard will all start in the same team? Will he play Robbie through the middle as a second striker or on the wing a la Kuyt? Is Benitez going to play Torres every week early in the season rather than rest him for the Champions League later in the year?
That's the question Seanie. It will be interesting to see what he does, but I'd be thinking Kuyt mightn't play as much this year. Keane and Torres up front. Gerrard the head of a 'diamond' with Mascherano anchoring it.
Alonso and maybe Barry the other 2 in the diamond.
QuoteI think Keane is a good striker in the same mould as Henrik Larsson.
I take it you mean he is an all-rounder like Larsson as opposed to equally skilled as Larsson? He will never equal Larssons skill or vision. I think Keane's not unlike Shearer as an all rounder but again not in the same bracket.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 29, 2008, 10:50:30 AM
That's the question Seanie. It will be interesting to see what he does, but I'd be thinking Kuyt mightn't play as much this year. Keane and Torres up front. Gerrard the head of a 'diamond' with Mascherano anchoring it.
Alonso and maybe Barry the other 2 in the diamond.
I'd agree with that AZ. In fairness Torres was only rested for 2 games last season (apart from a few games at end of season when we were out of the running) so despite what the media like to portray, he was an ever present in the team. So too Gerrard. Thats not going to change next season. Rafa's "rotation" involved using Kuyt on the wing (his preferred option) or else voronin/crouch up front with Torres (this was used less often).
So I would think that Robbie will effectively take the place of crouch, kuyt & voronin with the latter 2 playing much less frequently. Actually maybe Rafa can produce the miracle of the summer and get rid of voronin altogether.
Quote from: under the bar on July 29, 2008, 11:08:21 AM
QuoteI think Keane is a good striker in the same mould as Henrik Larsson.
I take it you mean he is an all-rounder like Larsson as opposed to equally skilled as Larsson? He will never equal Larssons skill or vision. I think Keane's not unlike Shearer as an all rounder but again not in the same bracket.
hes not as good as Larsson, and may never be quite as good, but Larsson was not a prolific scorer and as I said was rubbish at one on ones etc a bit like Keane.
Keanes vision and skill are not far off Larssons.
imo
and this opinion I have held for about three or four years now - between keane and henrik
I reckon Larson was much stronger in the air.
Benitez has said "He can play with Torres up front and also on the right" - I hope that doesnt mean he will nearly always be out on the right.
Quote from: corn02 on July 28, 2008, 06:24:10 PM
People questioning Gerrard's workrate? I have heard it all now.
Im not a Gerrard basher, and Im one of the most biased Liverpool fans you'll ever meet I would say. What I said was far from absurd. I've been frustrated by Gerrard on many occasions when he has been leading an attack or looking the ball in an advanced position, only for the attack to break down and Gerrard standing with his face screwed up semi-huffing as the rest of the team scrambles back.
To whoever asked above, Ngog is going straight into the first team squad. Id say he will be used to the same extent as Babel last year, at least initially. Nemeth has joined up with the first team, Ablett wasnt allowed to use him for the reserves v Stockport the other night in case Rafa wanted to use him for the first team this week. Peter Thompson was playing! Think it ended a draw.
QuoteLarsson was not a prolific scorer
Eh? He won the Euro Golden Boot on 50 goals. He was also the higest scorer for a British club in Europe ever in a 6 year stint at Celtic! His goals-per-time on the pitch ratio at Barcelona was higher than any other player in Europe!
Quote from: under the bar on July 29, 2008, 12:14:10 PM
QuoteLarsson was not a prolific scorer
Eh? He won the Euro Golden Boot on 50 goals. He was also the higest scorer for a British club in Europe ever in a 6 year stint at Celtic! His goals-per-time on the pitch ratio at Barcelona was higher than any other player in Europe!
stats stats stats
yes , but have you ever watched him play ?
He missed three chances to every goal he scored.
He scored so many goals as the decent celtic side created so many against inferior spl teams for him
Dont think his team mates at barca were too bad either.
I am a big fan of his, but also a realist - he fluffed way too many chances - the likes of Ian rush would have stuck away a hundred if he was the target man in Larssons golden boot season !
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 11:04:06 PMHe scored none for Inter in 6 games
Never scored for Inter, eh?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=phcSBb1DSs4
http://www.kickinmagazine.ie/robbiek1592000.htm
QuoteIreland international Robbie Keane scored his third competitive goal in three consecutive games as he helped Inter Milan to an important win against Ruch Chorzow in The UEFA Cup in Poland last night.
Keane got back to striking form when he scored the opening goal in Ireland's 2-2 draw against Holland at the start of the month and he followed that up with Inter's first in their 4-3 loss in the Italian SuperCup against Lazio last weekend.
Last night's goal was the third of three for the Italians on the night and it settled the game in Inter's favour. Inter struggled to break down the stubborn Polish defence until coach Marcello Lippi decided on a change in the 55th minute.
Lippi replaced Yugoslavian midfielder Vladimir Jugovic with the more attack minded Uruguayan Alvaro Recoba which lit the touchpaper. His impact was immediate as he swung over a corner, which Clarence Seedorf cracked into the net with a great volley.
Keane could have doubled the scoring a minute later when he got on the end of a Vampeta ball to hit a magnificent goalbound volley, but the goalkeeper somehow got a touch to it.
Recoba doubled the lead with a well taken goal. After picking up the ball outside the Chorzow box he hit a curling right foot shot in the top corner of the net.
Keane finished the scoring with a trademark predatory goal. Recoba swung over a corner from the left-hand side which flew to the back post.
Columbian defender Ivan Cordoba towered above everybody to head the ball back across goal and Keane pounced right in front of goal to hook the ball into the net.
Stay off Wiki, O'Neill
Quote from: Stalin on July 29, 2008, 11:39:27 AM
To whoever asked above, Ngog is going straight into the first team squad. Id say he will be used to the same extent as Babel last year, at least initially. Nemeth has joined up with the first team, Ablett wasnt allowed to use him for the reserves v Stockport the other night in case Rafa wanted to use him for the first team this week. Peter Thompson was playing! Think it ended a draw.
I seriously doubt Ngog will get anywhere near as many games as Babel did last year. He scored one goal in his 18 games last season in France - "not the finished article" was how I think Rafa described him.
Quote from: Hound on July 29, 2008, 12:46:38 PM
I seriously doubt Ngog will get anywhere near as many games as Babel did last year. He scored one goal in his 18 games last season in France - "not the finished article" was how I think Rafa described him.
I seem to recall Babel being described as the same when he was purchased
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on July 29, 2008, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 29, 2008, 12:46:38 PM
I seriously doubt Ngog will get anywhere near as many games as Babel did last year. He scored one goal in his 18 games last season in France - "not the finished article" was how I think Rafa described him.
I seem to recall Babel being described as the same when he was purchased
Babel was a Dutch international who cost a heap of money. To compare the two is ridiculous. Ngog will be a bit part player fighting it out with Pacheco and Nemeth for the odd run in minor competitions or when there are a lot of injuries. Anyone who expects to see him playing 10 league games (even as sub) in the coming season is in dreamland.
Its far from ridiculous Hound- Babel was a 'name' last season because of his performance at either the u21 or u23 Championships with Holland. Ngog has a good record at France U21 level. Most his performances for (the abysmal) PSG last season were as a substitute. A factor in Ngogs' price was that he was entering the last year of his contract.
Benitez:
Quote
"He is training with the first team," Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv. "Maybe he would find it difficult to play 90 minutes right now, but he will be able to.
"Normally he will be available for the first team next season. He is a player who wants to improve quickly, so he will learn and then settle down.
"We have known the player for one or two years. He was in the last year of his contract and was a good price. He is a young player and has a lot of experience to gain, but he can also give a lot to us now as well as in the future."
Quotestats stats stats
yes , but have you ever watched him play ?
He missed three chances to every goal he scored.
I am a big fan of his, but also a realist - he fluffed way too many chances
Absolute rubbish that he needed 3 chances to score. I've watched him in the flesh dozens of times and in hundreds of other games. He was superior to Rush in every aspect of his game. In the UEFA cup semi final he got one chance away to Boavista and tucked it away. Against Porto 2 chances and took them both. He won the CL for Barca virtually single-handly setting up both goals when he came on. As a predatory goal taker he was second to none and in his ability to create an assist out of nothing he is way out on his own.
You can mock the standard of the SPL but his Europen tally in 6 seasons eclisped every Liverpool or other English player.
QuoteHe was superior to Rush in every aspect of his game.
they are definitely comparable, Henrik smarter player, Rush more instinctive goal scorer
QuoteDont think his team mates at barca were too bad either.
So this explains why his goals-to-minutes on the field was superior to every other European player??? Cos his team mates were better? Wise up!
Quote from: under the bar on July 29, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
Quotestats stats stats
yes , but have you ever watched him play ?
He missed three chances to every goal he scored.
I am a big fan of his, but also a realist - he fluffed way too many chances
Absolute rubbish that he needed 3 chances to score. I've watched him in the flesh dozens of times and in hundreds of other games. He was superior to Rush in every aspect of his game. In the UEFA cup semi final he got one chance away to Boavista and tucked it away. Against Porto 2 chances and took them both. He won the CL for Barca virtually single-handly setting up both goals when he came on. As a predatory goal taker he was second to none and in his ability to create an assist out of nothing he is way out on his own.
You can mock the standard of the SPL but his Europen tally in 6 seasons eclisped every Liverpool or other English player.
Was a Celtic season ticket holder for 10 years up until last year so have seen him plenty of times and I just dont agree with your assesment.
Larsson was a superb assister of goals - much like Robbie keane
but Larsson DID miss 3 out of every four chances - but to be fair to him, the chances were mostly created by himself, his running and movement etc and you knew he would create another one to make up for the misses. I am a huge Larsson fan but have to remain realistic and not use rose tinted glasses.
I think Keane will be almost as good as Larsson if he continues to progress at Liverpool and this useless rotation system doesnt hinder his learning.
Quote from: under the bar on July 29, 2008, 01:58:29 PM
QuoteDont think his team mates at barca were too bad either.
So this explains why his goals-to-minutes on the field was superior to every other European player??? Cos his team mates were better? Wise up!
dont want to get into arguments that neither of us can prove, but I could counter that he was brought on at the end of games when the opposition had tired...
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 29, 2008, 12:33:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 28, 2008, 11:04:06 PMHe scored none for Inter in 6 games
Never scored for Inter, eh?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=phcSBb1DSs4
http://www.kickinmagazine.ie/robbiek1592000.htm
QuoteIreland international Robbie Keane scored his third competitive goal in three consecutive games as he helped Inter Milan to an important win against Ruch Chorzow in The UEFA Cup in Poland last night.
Keane got back to striking form when he scored the opening goal in Ireland's 2-2 draw against Holland at the start of the month and he followed that up with Inter's first in their 4-3 loss in the Italian SuperCup against Lazio last weekend.
Last night's goal was the third of three for the Italians on the night and it settled the game in Inter's favour. Inter struggled to break down the stubborn Polish defence until coach Marcello Lippi decided on a change in the 55th minute.
Lippi replaced Yugoslavian midfielder Vladimir Jugovic with the more attack minded Uruguayan Alvaro Recoba which lit the touchpaper. His impact was immediate as he swung over a corner, which Clarence Seedorf cracked into the net with a great volley.
Keane could have doubled the scoring a minute later when he got on the end of a Vampeta ball to hit a magnificent goalbound volley, but the goalkeeper somehow got a touch to it.
Recoba doubled the lead with a well taken goal. After picking up the ball outside the Chorzow box he hit a curling right foot shot in the top corner of the net.
Keane finished the scoring with a trademark predatory goal. Recoba swung over a corner from the left-hand side which flew to the back post.
Columbian defender Ivan Cordoba towered above everybody to head the ball back across goal and Keane pounced right in front of goal to hook the ball into the net.
Stay off Wiki, O'Neill
Ai I said, I'm only talking league goals. He played 6 league games for Inter.
Quotedont want to get into arguments that neither of us can prove, but I could counter that he was brought on at the end of games when the opposition had tired...
If you'd watched La Liga you wouldn't be countering with that.
Fact is Larsson's biggest strength was that he could change games. He proved himself at every level and his scoring/assits record speaks for itself. You don't get spoken of in the 'World Class' bracket by missing 3 out of 4 and Larsson deffo didn't do that.
Quote from: under the bar on July 29, 2008, 02:12:50 PM
Quotedont want to get into arguments that neither of us can prove, but I could counter that he was brought on at the end of games when the opposition had tired...
If you'd watched La Liga you wouldn't be countering with that.
Fact is Larsson's biggest strength was that he could change games. He proved himself at every level and his scoring/assits record speaks for itself. You don't get spoken of in the 'World Class' bracket by missing 3 out of 4 and Larsson deffo didn't do that.
Larsson only changed two games that I can recall. The UEFA cup semi final v boavista and the scots cup final v dunf. (I am not forgetting about the uefa cup final , and while he scored two great goals, he didnt change the game).
Larsson continually missed bagfuls of chances , most notably v rangers almost every time he played against them - apart from the 6-2 game. Even then he was guilty of fluffing a couple that day.
I think we may as well give up here. You are not going to agree with me on this and vice versa.
I hope Robbie Keane does turn out to be a 'new larsson' - better still if he imporves on his (and larssons) shooting boots.
Thats all I am going to post on this as we have gone off topic.
I seem to remember Larsson doing ok when he came off the bench in a Champions League final too.
The comparison is a ridiculous one. In terms of chances missed to scored ratio Andy Cole would be more appropriate. Keane a better all rounder than Cole but not as instinctive.
I like keane, but has he stopped that celebration?
The ridiculous comparison is Larsson to Rush. I stopped reading when I saw that.
QuoteLarsson only changed two games that I can recall. The UEFA cup semi final v boavista and the scots cup final v dunf. (I am not forgetting about the uefa cup final , and while he scored two great goals, he didnt change the game).
I was referring to his ability to change game coming from the bench into the position allocated (wing, striker, off the front 2 etc) How can you change the game when you play 90 mins??
I can't recall him missing 'bagfuls' v rangers and I was at almost every one of those games.
Yes the comparison with Rush is ridiculous. Larsson make Rush look like Gary Doherty!
Quote from: nifan on July 29, 2008, 02:36:11 PM
I like keane, but has he stopped that celebration?
He said he would do it for the forst goal he scores for Liverpool and then that would be that!
Larsson and Rush are not comparable. Keane and Larsson are not comparable. Players are generally not comparable and at a time when team is everything, how a player fits into a system will define how effective he is. I think therefore that Keane will be a success at Liverpool as he is adaptable.
That's crazy talk under the bar. Ian Rush and Henrilk Larsson are like chalk and cheese. Rush was a pure goal sniffer and a fantastic player in that Liverpool side. Larsson is/was a completely different player.
They'd have made a decent partnership mind.
QuoteThat's crazy talk under the bar. Ian Rush and Henrilk Larsson are like chalk and cheese. Rush was a pure goal sniffer and a fantastic player in that Liverpool side. Larsson is/was a completely different player.
They'd have made a decent partnership mind.
AZ I'm not the man who compared the two. I've said they are different all along & yes they would complement one aother as Larsson would set them on a plate for Rush.
Quote from: under the bar on July 29, 2008, 02:51:14 PM
QuoteLarsson only changed two games that I can recall. The UEFA cup semi final v boavista and the scots cup final v dunf. (I am not forgetting about the uefa cup final , and while he scored two great goals, he didnt change the game).
Yes the comparison with Rush is ridiculous. Larsson make Rush look like Gary Doherty!
Think you're forgetting how great a goalscorer Rush was. Definitely a better finisher than Larsson ever was although Larsson had more to his game outside the penalty area.
I thought you said 'He was superior to Rush in every way'.
My mistake if you didn't. Whoever said that is who I should have been addressing earlier on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 29, 2008, 03:00:24 PM
I thought you said 'He was superior to Rush in every way'.
He said
QuoteHe (Larsson) was superior to Rush in every aspect of his game
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 29, 2008, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: under the bar on July 29, 2008, 02:51:14 PM
QuoteLarsson only changed two games that I can recall. The UEFA cup semi final v boavista and the scots cup final v dunf. (I am not forgetting about the uefa cup final , and while he scored two great goals, he didnt change the game).
Yes the comparison with Rush is ridiculous. Larsson make Rush look like Gary Doherty!
Think you're forgetting how great a goalscorer Rush was. Definitely a better finisher than Larsson ever was although Larsson had more to his game outside the penalty area.
tackling yes
anything else ...well I cant think of any...he wasnt too creative outside the box and wasnt a fantastic crosser of the ball, though he did pull wide to collect the ball out of defense
Quote from: Stalin on July 29, 2008, 01:25:09 PM
Its far from ridiculous Hound- Babel was a 'name' last season because of his performance at either the u21 or u23 Championships with Holland. Ngog has a good record at France U21 level. Most his performances for (the abysmal) PSG last season were as a substitute. A factor in Ngogs' price was that he was entering the last year of his contract.
A c'mon Stalin. 3 goals for the French U21s (against who I wonder?) and can't get into an abysmal PSG team vs a Dutch international.
QuoteI thought you said 'He was superior to Rush in every way'.
My mistake if you didn't. Whoever said that is who I should have been addressing earlier on.
I meant that I didnt make the
initial comparison, Lynchboy did and I and never would consider both as similar. Lynchboy said that Rush would have scored twice as many as Larsson given the opportunity. My view is that Larsson was the superior player as Rush was essentially a poacher with not a lot else to his game.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 29, 2008, 04:01:28 PM
QuoteI thought you said 'He was superior to Rush in every way'.
My mistake if you didn't. Whoever said that is who I should have been addressing earlier on.
I meant that I didnt make the initial comparison, Lynchboy did and I and never would consider both as similar. Lynchboy said that Rush would have scored twice as many as Larsson given the opportunity. My view is that Larsson was the superior player as Rush was essentially a poacher with not a lot else to his game.
Except the most important thing for a striker. He could put the ball in the back of the net with monotonous regularity.
Jesus comparing Rush with Larson, catch a grip.
Quote from: Over the Bar on July 29, 2008, 04:01:28 PM
QuoteI thought you said 'He was superior to Rush in every way'.
My mistake if you didn't. Whoever said that is who I should have been addressing earlier on.
I meant that I didnt make the initial comparison, Lynchboy did and I and never would consider both as similar. Lynchboy said that Rush would have scored twice as many as Larsson given the opportunity. My view is that Larsson was the superior player as Rush was essentially a poacher with not a lot else to his game.
it wasnt a'comparison' itwas to highlight that given the same chances Rush would have scored 100 to Larssons 50.
They are a diff kind of player and thats what I thought most people would have taken from that illustration (rather than comparison).
Benitez still wants to sign Barry
Rafael Benitez has confirmed he must sell again to bring Gareth Barry to Liverpool after completing the £20.3million signing of Robbie Keane.
The Reds manager insists that is what he aims to do, but he has no intention of selling Spain international Alvaro Arbeloa.
Liverpool are believed to have had a £7million bid from Sevilla for the 25-year-old, but Benitez has made it clear the player is going nowhere, despite speculation defender Arbeloa wants to return to Spain for personal reasons.
Benitez maintains there is no truth in the assumption Arbeloa is eager to leave and the former Deportivo La Coruna player will be part of his plans in the coming season.
But there is no question that Benitez still wants to sign former Aston Villa skipper Barry, the subject of a summer-long saga which has frayed tempers at Villa Park and Anfield.
Benitez could sell Jermaine Pennant, Andriy Voronin or Steve Finnan, but it is still more likely that he will persuade Xabi Alonso to leave if he can get a £15million-plus bid for the Spanish midfielder.
After completing the Keane deal, Benitez talked in terms of one more major departure rather than a string of smaller deals, to finance an £18million move for Barry.
Benitez said: "We knew that we could only spend money by selling players and we have been doing this (for Keane).
"We are still trying to sign the players that we need, and if we need to sell someone now, okay, we will do so.
"If we can do it (the Barry deal) before the end of the transfer window, we will continue to try. We will always continue to improve our squad."
Benitez was delighted to finally land Keane, and he declined to discuss Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy's anger over how the move was concluded.
Benitez said: "We are pleased he is here. We dealt well with Mr Levy, and my role was to bring the player here as quickly as possible.
"Robbie is one of the very best forwards in the Premier League. He is settled and more than used to the requirements. He is a good professional with a solid mentality, obviously I am pleased he is here, other managers would say the same.
"Robbie can play alongside (Fernando) Torres and (Dirk) Kuyt, and also (Steven) Gerrard. He is clever and is the right kind of player.
"He can play on the right, he can play up front. If you have clever players it makes it easier for the manager."
He added: "If you play 4-4-2, Keane can play alongside Torres. If we play 4-2-3-1 he can play as a second striker or on the right.
"He is the kind of player who is adaptable, and can be used in different positions and will give you 100%.
"Robbie is intelligent, he can play on the right and he can adapt. He is a very positive signing.
"He scored twice at Anfield last season, he knows where he has to be to score and where he must be to support team-mates. He is very clever.
"We have known he was a good player for a long time, the goals he scored against us just underlined what we already knew.
"We wanted the player, he said he was a Liverpool fan and wanted to come here. We are happy, our fans are happy."
Seems rafa wants keane to play on the right.... A 4-2-3-1 formation ??? ??? The 3 being - babel, gerard, keane perhaps!!!! Or maybe Rafa's thinking about Barry-Gerrard-Keane if he can finally get his man...
thought kuyt was decent on the wing for holland in the euro 08's. him on the right and keane in the centre along with torres is what I'd pick, but I'm not the multi milionaire high earning sharp suited liverpool manager!
Quotehe can play on the right
Seems my thinking is not that far wrong.
Amazed no-one agreed/disagreed with my Andy Cole comparison. 4 chances to each goal the pair of them.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 29, 2008, 05:16:13 PM
Quotehe can play on the right
Seems my thinking is not that far wrong.
Amazed no-one agreed/disagreed with my Andy Cole comparison. 4 chances to each goal the pair of them.
the newcastle andy cole or the man u version ?
Same guy, different division mostly.
Edit - just checked there and I'm incorrect with the above. Played only one season in lower division for the toon.
Same guy alright (possibly a better than his average conversion rate the year before he came to United - maybe that's another comparison!).
Yous are still buying 2nd string players and thinking yous will win the league :D :D
As a utd fan, i have to say that the keane signing is a fantastic bit of business by benitez, even if he is a bit pricey.
I think this is last chance saloon for benitez tho! if he messes up this season he will be shown the door.
Quote from: new devil on July 29, 2008, 10:18:37 PM
Yous are still buying 2nd string players and thinking yous will win the league :D :D
yous?
Quote from: stevo-08 on July 29, 2008, 04:39:39 PM
Seems rafa wants keane to play on the right.... A 4-2-3-1 formation ??? ??? The 3 being - babel, gerard, keane perhaps!!!! Or maybe Rafa's thinking about Barry-Gerrard-Keane if he can finally get his man...
I believe the 4-2-3-1 formation is the one Rafa favours and will use most often. Keane can play in any of the front 4 positions. The "3" would be any from Gerrard, Keane, Babel, Kuyt, Benayoun. Mascherano and Alonso/Barry/Lucas being the "2". Though with Mascherano, Lucas and Babel all missing, the starting formation/team vs Sunderland in 17 days is anyone's guess, but I think he'll go 4-4-2 with a midfield of Kuyt-Alonso/Barry-Gerrard-Aurelio.
sorry forgot a couple of these ''...... point still stands ;)
Picked this up off the Tim Vickery column on the BBC website (always well worth a read each week|)
Quote
Do you rate Fabio Aurelio? And do you know why he has never been called up to the Brazilian national team (especially considering the dearth of quality left-backs available to Brazil)? I watched him play last season for Liverpool and I thought he was absolutely terrific. I feel he embodies confidence when he is on the ball and knows exactly where his passes are going plus he isn't a bad tackler and has a pretty good free-kick.
Chris Kelesoglou
I rate him very highly - I think he's probably the most complete left-back Brazil have produced over the last few years. He was one of their few success stories in the 2000 Olympics and looked set for a good international career, pushing Roberto Carlos hard before eventually replacing him.
He has been called up for the senior squad, only to have to drop out through injury. Unfortunately the injuries have been a recurring problem, otherwise I am sure he would have achieved even more than he has with Valencia and Liverpool.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7528298.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7528298.stm)
Interesting opinion from a guy who is more often right than wrong about South American players in my experience. Liverpool obviously haven't seen the best of him yet.
Mental man he's hardly going to turn around and say he is a load of w**k and shouldn't be anywhere near a Liverpool team.
For what it is worth he is a handy player but as Vickery says he is injury prone. That is why he is better in CL games than in th Premier League as there is less contact and he can play ball.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2008, 10:15:25 AM
Mental man he's hardly going to turn around and say he is a load of w**k and shouldn't be anywhere near a Liverpool team.
For what it is worth he is a handy player but as Vickery says he is injury prone. That is why he is better in CL games than in th Premier League as there is less contact and he can play ball.
You saying then that he wouldn't have lasted too long at Cross?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2008, 10:15:25 AM
Mental man he's hardly going to turn around and say he is a load of w**k and shouldn't be anywhere near a Liverpool team.
For what it is worth he is a handy player but as Vickery says he is injury prone. That is why he is better in CL games than in th Premier League as there is less contact and he can play ball.
To be fair he always gives his honest opinion when asked about players - he has no interest in courting Premier League teams or their players and isn't likely to show up as a yes man on Skysports as he makes his living in South America. When asked on his column about various players he frequently says whether they are good or not, or whether they wil make it in Europe etc. - just look back over previous weeks. That's why I thought it was interesting he was so fulsome in his praise of Aurelio. Like yourself I think he's handy, great crosser, but can be bullied and can forget about his defending. Maybe if he gets a full preseason and avoids injuries we might see a bit more from him.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7525297.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7525297.stm)
Gerrards gets at least one honour this season
Quote from: An Fear Rua on July 30, 2008, 11:16:51 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7525297.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7525297.stm)
Gerrards gets at least one honour this season
Last weeks news. But at least he has an education now for when his career ends ;) :D
Benni could be on his way back to the Hammers or Man City for £6m. It seems Rafa is still looking to clear the decks to push forward the Barry deal.
Have also read over the last few days about Pennant £4m , Arbeloa £5m & Verronin £6m could all be leaving. I'd be astounded if he gets £6m for Verronin.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/2473327/Liverpool%27s-Yossi-Benayoun-in-line-for-West-Ham-return.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/2473327/Liverpool%27s-Yossi-Benayoun-in-line-for-West-Ham-return.html)
I think you added in an extra 'm' behind the Voronin deal Chris. I'd be surprised if LFC got £6 for the Ukranian goldilocks.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
I think you added in an extra 'm' behind the Voronin deal Chris. I'd be surprised if LFC got £6 for the Ukranian goldilocks.
;D
I think there are a few German clubs interested. But sure Saxon are popular there too!
Benayoun said a few weeks ago -after seeking assurances from Rafa- that he didnt want to leave, I wonder has the situation changed now with Rafa looking to raise funds. Apparently Arbeloa wants to return home for personal reasons (something about a priest?), but will not be allowed to leave, at least at this stage. Wouldnt be wile surprised if he did leave though in this current climate.
Hope Voronin goes, obv would like to get a few bob for him, but for me its far more important that he just goes. Honestly dont want to see him in a Liverpool jersey ever again.
Think the Villareal match is on SS1 tonight. Pepe has been given time off I think to go and celebrate his new born with the wife.
Quote from: Stalin on July 30, 2008, 12:42:47 PM
Benayoun said a few weeks ago -after seeking assurances from Rafa- that he didnt want to leave, I wonder has the situation changed now with Rafa looking to raise funds. Apparently Arbeloa wants to return home for personal reasons (something about a priest?), but will not be allowed to leave, at least at this stage. Wouldnt be wile surprised if he did leave though in this current climate.
Hope Voronin goes, obv would like to get a few bob for him, but for me its far more important that he just goes. Honestly dont want to see him in a Liverpool jersey ever again.
Think the Villareal match is on SS1 tonight. Pepe has been given time off I think to go and celebrate his new born with the wife.
The irony being that this game is part of his transfer deal.
I don't think Liverpool particularly want to sell Benayoun - but it seems an unsolicited bid from Man City has come in, and that if we are selling West Ham might also be interested. So be interesting to see what happens. Pennant seems likely to join Blackburn if the Bentley to Spurs move goes through. Buy a good winger for £10m or £12m to replace the two of them might be a decent idea (if we can find one!).
I think Voronin's been treated pretty harshly by a lot of Liverpool fans. He did quite well in his first couple of months as a support striker. But then was played out wide a few times and was really shíte, and that combined with injuries resulted in a loss of confidence. He cost nothing and I doubt he's on big money, so I think he's fine as 3rd or 4th choice striker. Not that I'd turn down a bid of £5m or £6m...
The Villareal friendly is on Sky Sports tonight alright. Plenty of reserves in the squad, and Nemeth and Ngog should see some action for the first time. Keane has travelled to Spain, but dunno whether he'll be involved.
The fact that he has even travelled will make me watch just in case.
For me all we need is one winger and that should be the spending. I was hoping for Bentley but if we got Silva and forgot about Barry I would be content, although I think Barry would be excellent, I don't rate him as necessary.
Quote from: corn02 on July 30, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
The fact that he has even travelled will make me watch just in case.
Which might be one of the reasons he has travelled!!
The headline on the LFC website is "Nemeth to play tonight" and it says Ngog and Keane may also figure. If Keane was really going to be playing I'd imagine the headline would be different!
According to this dude we have finally agreed to buy Barry. £17.5 million plus Finnan = £19m
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1039828/INSIDER-EXCLUSIVE-Liverpool-Villa-finally-agree-19m-deal-Gareth-Barry-England-star-secures-Anfield-move.html
Read that aan hour ago Hound and thought exactly the sawem thing, pretty much ensures Keane won't start.
So is this how we line up for the season / our strongest XI?
-----------------------Reina-------------------------
-----------Skrtel-------------Agger ---------------
Carragher-------------------------------------Dossena-
-------------Mascherano------------Allonso----------
-----Gerrard------------------------------- Babel----
---------------------Keane-----------------------
-------------------------Torres--------------------
It might be Gab, but I don't think Carra at right back is a good move for LFC.
I have a feeling the Barry deal will come off, and it'll be like
Reina
Degen Carra/Skrtel Agger Dossena
Masch
Alonso Barry
Gerrard
Keane
Torres
I think that could be it AZ, fairly narrow team but seriou talent across the middle. I presume the plan will be that Masch will not further than 30 yards from the front of the back four, the two CB's will play deep and the FB will bomb up and down. With Babel and Kut as realistic front options, Yossi and and Pennant as options for weaker teams and Vorinin to peddle his missus' wares on a street corner :P(have you seen the photos), they can make more of a go this year, but it will be very tough.
A hard job guessing what will be Rafas preferred lineup/formation. Theres just so many options now with so many versatile players.
BABEL-RM/RWF/LM/FWD
GERRARD-RM/CM/AM/(LM)/SS
KUYT-RM/RWF/LM/FWD
BARRY-LM/CM/LB
KEANE-FWD/SS/RWF
From those five the amount of versatility is amazing. Throw in Torres who will almost always be used up front, and Lucas/Masch/Plessis/Alonso battling it out for the central midfield berths. Endless possibilities, no? :o
Am I the only one who would like to see Kuyt start on the right?
No Corn, im with you there.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
It might be Gab, but I don't think Carra at right back is a good move for LFC.
I have a feeling the Barry deal will come off, and it'll be like
Reina
Degen Carra/Skrtel Agger Dossena
Masch
Alonso Barry
Gerrard
Keane
Torres
Would agree, if we are to play without wingers, then Carra at right back wouldn't be a great move. Irrespective of formation I think Carra at right back isn't an option unless Liverpool are short handed - just doesn't have the legs, pace, or distribution. He's a totally different proposition at centre half, where I expect him to start with Agger, and Skrtel providing cover.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
It might be Gab, but I don't think Carra at right back is a good move for LFC.
I have a feeling the Barry deal will come off, and it'll be like
Reina
Degen Carra/Skrtel Agger Dossena
Masch
Alonso Barry
Gerrard
Keane
Torres
I think the Barry deal will go through but cant see us holding onto Alonso aswell. So I think the 6 "attacking" players will look something like this:
Masch
Kuyt Barry
Gerrard
Keane Torres
I actually hope Rafa holds onto Bennyoun as I think he is a decent player who can change a game. But with the money situation, it just might not be possible.
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2008, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: corn02 on July 30, 2008, 02:14:59 PM
The fact that he has even travelled will make me watch just in case.
Which might be one of the reasons he has travelled!!
The headline on the LFC website is "Nemeth to play tonight" and it says Ngog and Keane may also figure. If Keane was really going to be playing I'd imagine the headline would be different!
According to this dude we have finally agreed to buy Barry. £17.5 million plus Finnan = £19m
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1039828/INSIDER-EXCLUSIVE-Liverpool-Villa-finally-agree-19m-deal-Gareth-Barry-England-star-secures-Anfield-move.html
The guardian also running the story, sounds like the saga is finally coming to a close. Thats a fair bit of spending in the space of a week. But i suppose it's sends out a clear message where Rafa's priorities lie this season.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jul/30/liverpool.astonvilla
Quote from: stevo-08 on July 30, 2008, 03:31:17 PM
I actually hope Rafa holds onto Bennyoun as I think he is a decent player who can change a game. But with the money situation, it just might not be possible.
Definitely. If they can keep him, he can turn games, and should definitely be given his game at home against non-top 4 teams - can be devastating when given the freedom to roam.
Barry staying
http://www.avfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~1354618,00.html
I wouldn't pass much remarks on that statement Gab. It seems to be based on this
QuoteDuring discussions in the past few days, a final deadline to conclude this episode was set that all parties were aware of and agreed to. This deadline has now passed and so Gareth will remain with Villa.
I'd say it's just a prod to Liverpool to hurry up and get it done, or go away.
Of course he may well stay at Villa, but i don't think that announcement is the last we'll hear.
Well i hope it is the end of it, and Liverpool can concentrate on hitting the ground running.
Plenty of options available and if Alonso gets a good run of games then he could have a big season for us. Keane and Torres up front will suit his style of play
An incredibly lame statement from Villa!
In any event I've always struggled to be convinced that Barry is better than Alonso
Keane, Ngog and Voronin all start tonight, so presumably one of them in midfield
What time this on ?
5 minutes time
Team
Diego Cavalieri
Andrea Dossena
Sami Hyypia
Martin Skrtel
Stephen Darby
Damien Plessis
Yossi Benayoun
Steven Gerrard
Andriy Voronin
Robbie Keane
David Ngog
Subs:
Steve Finnan
Daniel Agger
Fernando Torres
Xabi Alonso
Jermaine Pennant
Alvaro Arbeloa
Dirk Kuyt
Daniel Pacheco
Krisztian Nemeth
Jay Spearing
Emiliano Insua
Jamie Carragher
Pepe Reina
First Half:
Diego Cavalieri
Stephen Darby - Sami Hyypia - Martin Skrtel - Andrea Dossena
Andriy Voronin - Damien Plessis - Steven Gerrard - Yossi Benayoun
Robbie Keane - David Ngog
2nd half
Diego
Steve Finnan - Daniel Agger - Carra - Insua
Jermaine Pennant - Jay Spearing - Plessis - Dirk Kuyt
Daniel Pacheco - Krisztian Nemeth
Alonso, Arbeloa and Torres on for the last 20 minutes (for Plessis, Finnan and Nemeth).
Reina on for the last 10 minutes (to huge ovation! (ex-Villareal))
I've missed a fair bit of the 2nd half, but nobody has stood out as particularly good or bad. Heading for no score.
I know he's young and raw but that Ngog reminds me of a forward version of Djimi Traore..
Dossena looks a bit overweight too if you ask me..
Quote from: Hound on July 30, 2008, 07:04:43 PM
An incredibly lame statement from Villa!
In any event I've always struggled to be convinced that Barry is better than Alonso
In my opinion he is a better player than Alonso, brings much more to a team with all round play and versatility, he has shone in a mediocre team for over ten years and would have been a great foil for Gerrard. Great news for Villa though, well played O'Neill he named his price from day one - simple as that and Liverpool could not match it. Villa now (hopefully) get to keep their best player who will have a lot to prove to the fans next year.
As for Liverpool, I would be very worried that a Club who call themselves genuine challengers for the League will prob end up with a net positive spend this Summer of a few million quid. They will again get fourth and finish a good 15-20 points off the top.
rafa looks a bit overweight if you ask me. He must have pigged out during off season
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on July 30, 2008, 10:39:18 PM
I know he's young and raw but that Ngog reminds me of a forward version of Djimi Traore..
Dossena looks a bit overweight too if you ask me..
Well I was expecting him to be a forward version of Djimi, so I was glad that he looked (slightly) better than that! He's a big enough lad, and looks to have pace too.
Dossena doesnt look like a £7m full back, but its early days. Chunky rather than plump I'd hope.
Robbie made a balls of the chance he got, but did alright otherwise.
Great effort by Spearing at the end.
Insua looks like he wasn't too far from the cake tray as well over the summer.
Torres looked dangerous when he came on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 30, 2008, 10:49:31 PM
Insua looks like he wasn't too far from the cake tray as well over the summer.
Torres looked dangerous when he came on.
yeah , like he might eat some1 the fat bastard
Also it is now fact...Ray Houghton is just as annoying on Sky Sports as he is on RTE
Stuart James The Guardian, Thursday July 31 2008
Article history
After pushing for a move to Anfield, Gareth Barry now appears to be remaining with Aston Villa. Photograph: Henry Browne/Action Images
Gareth Barry's future remained shrouded in uncertainty last night after it emerged Liverpool were in the process of putting together an £18m deal for the England international when Aston Villa issued a statement claiming the deadline for completing the transfer had passed. The latest development leaves Barry facing the possibility of remaining at Villa Park next season despite knowing that Liverpool had managed to raise the funds to meet Martin O'Neill's asking price.
Villa remain adamant there will be no further negotiations, with the Midlands club pointing out that yesterday's 5pm cut-off had been agreed on Monday with Liverpool and Barry. Since then the Liverpool manager, Rafael Benítez, is known to have leaned heavily on the Anfield board and persuaded the club's American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, to finance the Barry deal. However, with no further bid arriving before the deadline, Villa last night claimed all talks were off.
"This evening Aston Villa can announce that Gareth Barry will be staying with the club following the interest from Liverpool over recent months," said a statement posted on the Villa website shortly after 5pm yesterday. "During discussions in the past few days a final deadline to conclude this episode was set that all parties were aware of and agreed to. This deadline has now passed and so Gareth will remain with Villa."
The club say there is no chance of the situation changing, although it appears unlikely that Barry, who has made no secret of his desire to move to Anfield, will concede defeat. Indeed it is anticipated that the midfielder, mindful that Liverpool can now meet Villa's valuation, will hold discussions with O'Neill today in an attempt to force the issue. He may even submit a transfer request, something he has not felt the need to do hitherto.
Liverpool are expected to encourage Barry to go down that path, although there can be no certainty that O'Neill will give in. The Villa manager has adopted a hardline stance ever since Liverpool's interest in Barry first surfaced at the end of last season. He claimed last week that Villa "wouldn't be at the behest of Liverpool football club" and promptly stayed true to his promise to set a deadline for the deal to be finalised.
"Naturally we're all absolutely delighted that Gareth will be staying at Villa Park and relieved to find a resolution and closure to the saga," said O'Neill. "We had a very positive meeting on Monday when it was agreed between Gareth, his agent [Alex Black], Mr [Randy] Lerner [the chairman] and myself that a deadline should be communicated to Liverpool to finally resolve the situation. Liverpool were informed and that deadline came and passed. Now we can all look forward to the coming season with relief, anticipation and ambition."
Villa, anxious to formalise their own plans for the new season, had felt it was necessary to push Liverpool into a corner after it emerged there was unlikely to be another offer for Barry until several players left Anfield, with Benítez having spent £20.3m on Robbie Keane. Yet the manager convinced Gillett and Hicks to sanction a bid without trimming the squad, although authorisation for an offer did not arrive until after Villa issued their statement.
Liverpool might well question why Villa have to be so bloody-minded about a deadline that has no resemblance to the transfer window, which closes at the end of next month, although O'Neill - and Barry for that matter - is entitled to ask why the Anfield board left it so late to find the money. Villa claim they have not received a formal offer from Liverpool since a £13m bid was tabled more than six weeks ago. Liverpool were confident of addressing that situation yesterday morning, when Rick Parry, the chief executive, telephoned Lerner to discuss Barry. However, there was no further contact between the clubs before the 5pm deadline, prompting Villa to announce that Barry would be staying.
More scouse humour - the new chant:
"He's quick, he's red, he talks like Father Ted - he's Robbie Keane, he's Robbie Keane"
:D
Quote from: full back on July 31, 2008, 09:18:14 AM
More scouse humour - the new chant:
"He's quick, he's red, he talks like Father Ted - he's Robbie Keane, he's Robbie Keane"
:D
Got that in a txt this morning.
Barry's Liverpool move still on
Barry has made it clear to Villa that he wants to leave for Anfield
Gareth Barry's proposed move to Liverpool could yet go ahead despite Aston Villa stating he will be staying with them, BBC Sport understands.
Liverpool failed to meet Villa's deadline of Wednesday to sign the 27-year-old England midfielder.
That led Villa to announce the deal was off, yet Liverpool remain eager to sign Barry and he wants to move to Anfield.
Villa boss Martin O'Neill and chairman Randy Lerner are due to meet Barry and his agent for talks later this week.
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has said he needs to sell players before he can meet Villa's valuation for Barry, which is believed to be £18m.
Villa manager O'Neill said on Wednesday that he was "absolutely delighted" Barry would be staying at Villa Park and "relieved there is resolution and closure to the transfer saga".
He added: "Now we can all look forward to the season ahead with relief, anticipation and ambition."
Villa have already rejected a number of bids from Liverpool that fell short of their valuation for the player.
606: DEBATE
He hasn't said he wants to stay, Liverpool have just missed the deadline
CardiffbornScouse
O'Neill has made no secret of his displeasure at Liverpool's conduct in trying to sign Barry and the player himself was ordered not to report for pre-season training after criticising his manager in a newspaper interview.
But the England international played for Villa in a friendly against Walsall and came on as a substitute in their Intertoto Cup win over Odense.
Villa's ire will have been increased by the fact that Liverpool splashed out £19m for Tottenham striker Robbie Keane - with the fee possibly reaching £20.3m with add-ons - yet have been unwilling to match an £18m valuation for Barry.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7533851.stm
I can't wait til this situation is resolved one way or the other. I'm sick of listening to it
13 subs so can't really take much.
Dossena was actually one of our better players for me, Darby was also good.
First half motm - Skertl
Second half MOTM- Carragher.
All yo ucan take out of it, Keane was tidy.
Jaysus, just seen the list of unseeded teams for today's (11am) champions league qualfier draw and there's a couple of pretty nasty ones:
Atletico Madrid (Spain)
FC Sheriff (Moldova) or Sparta Prague (Czech Republic)
Drogheda United (Ireland) or Dynamo Kiev (Ukraine)
Levski Sofia (Bulgaria)
Slavia Prague (Czech Republic)
Galatasaray (Turkey)
Inter Baki (Azerbaijan) or FK Partizan (Serbia)
Vitoria SC (Portugal)
NK Domzale (Slovenia) or Dinamo Zagreb (Croatia)
Beitar Jerusalem (Israel) or Wisla Krakow (Poland)
Standard Liege (Belgium)
FC Twente (Netherlands)
Tampere United (Finland) or Artmedia Petrzalka (Slovakia)
Aalborg (Denmark) or FC Modrica (Bosnia)
SK Brann (Norway) or FK Ventspils (Latvia)
Anorthosis Famagusta (Cyprus) or Rapid Vienna (Austria)
Obviously you don't want Athletico Madrid or Galatasaray.
Anorthosis/Rapid Vienna v Olympiakos
Vitoria Guimaraes v IFK Gothenburg/Basel
Shakhtar Donetsk v Domzale/Dinamo Zagreb
Schalke 04 v Atletico Madrid
Aalborg/Modrica v RANGERS/Kaunas
Barcelona v Beitar Jerusalem/Wisla Krakow
Levski Sofia v Anderlecht/BATE
Standard Liege v LIVERPOOL
Inter Baku/Partizan v Fenerbahce/MTK Budapest
FC Twente v ARSENAL
Spartak Moscow v Drogheda/Dinamo Kiev
Juventus v Tampere/Artmedia
SK Brann/Ventspils v Marseille
Fiorentina v Slavia Prague
Galatasaray v Steaua Bucharest
Happy enough with that draw, especially with second game in Anfield. Gunners have a ncie draw too and if Drogs somehow beat Kiev, they are Back in the USSR again!
Yeah can have no complaints with that draw. Could have been alot worse.
What's the date for these games does anyone know?
12/13 and 26/27 i think. (August)
One nil Liverpool at half time. torres tap in ;D
3 nil now Ngog and Yossi
4 nil now Alonso pen
New-boy Ngog opens account as Rafa's Reds run Rangers ragged
Rangers 0 Liverpool 4
Rangers manager Walter Smith wanted a stern test ahead of Tuesday's make-or-break Champions League qualifier against FBK Kaunas - and Liverpool were happy to oblige by handing out a thrashing at Ibrox.
David Ngog opened his goalscoring account for the Reds after Fernando Torres claimed the only goal of the first half.
Yossi Benayoun then found the back of the net before Xabi Alonso completed the rout from the penalty spot.
Rangers failed to score once again after Wednesday's Ibrox stalemate and know an improvement will be needed when they travel to Lithuania for the crucial second leg,
as they bid to keep their European hopes alive.
New signing Madjid Bougherra was named on the bench but failed to make his Rangers debut, while Kyle Lafferty made his first home start.
New goalkeeper Diego Cavalieri started between the sticks for the Reds while, at the other end, Rangers faced the daunting prospect of trying to halt a strikeforce worth a combined total of £40million in the shape of new signing Robbie Keane and Torres.
Rangers had the best of the early chances. Lee McCulloch's ferocious long-range shot whistled inches past Cavalieri's right-hand post, before Kenny Miller hooked over after pouncing on a Nacho Novo lay-off.
Torres then came close for Rafa Benitez's side when he threw himself in front of a cross from the left from Andrea Dossena, only to send his header screaming over the crossbar.
The breakthrough came with 23 minutes on the clock when a powerful Damien Plessis shot was blocked by Allan McGregor - but the goalkeeper could not hold the effort and Torres was on hand to rifle home the rebound.
Steven Gerrard then embarked on a decent run before unleashing a 20-yard drive that McGregor did well to parry but, this time, the danger was cleared with Keane loitering with intent in front of goal.
Then it was Rangers' turn to threaten when Sasa Papac's audacious attempt at lobbing into the top left corner was only just touched out of play by a full-stretch Cavalieri.
A flurry of activity from Rangers followed but the home side failed to restore parity before the half-time whistle.
The best chance came when Miller released Novo into the box, who rounded Cavalieri at the near post, only to somehow be denied from about a yard out by a sliding block from Dossena.
The good news for Rangers was that Torres was one of several players withdrawn at the interval, with both sides making five changes each.
The bad new was the arrival of Ngog, who helped himself to a goal of his own after 57 minutes. The French striker pounced on a loose pass from Kirk Broadfoot and left McGregor with no chance from 12 yards.
Liverpool added to their lead further three minutes later. McGregor managed to swipe at a Christian Nemeth effort only for Benayoun to come racing in at the back post and bury the rebound from close range.
Cavalieri made way for Jose Reina, while McGregor was swapped for Neil Alexander - and he was plucking the ball out of the net with 20 minutes to go.
Broadfoot was deemed to have tripped Nemeth in the box and Alonso stepped up to convert from 12 yards, with Alexander well beaten.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1040913/New-boy-Ngog-opens-account-Rafas-Reds-run-Rangers-ragged.html
N'Gog
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/7X4TLVDSDZGY70L4
Torres
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/VVY7J3H4600MKC2T
Great result. Rangers are obviously ahead of Liverpool in their preseason as they start earlier. A run of Clean sheets for the new guy Caviliri(sp?) and at last some goals. With the Barry deal nearly done with Finnan going the other way and no word of Xavi leaving, I am confident for the first time on years.
Martin O'Neill has issued a statement saying that liverpool have until the end of the transfer window to sign Gareth Barry.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7533851.stm
his interview is available on this link. He sounds like he's had enough of it.......... A bit like the rest of us I think
Keane got booed at every touch. Played quite well, albeit I'd say he was a tad frustrated. Worked probably harder than anyone, but often his runs were unseen by colleagues. Did well when in possession.
Reina also got booed as he was coming on, apparently because he blessed himself as he entered the field :o
Good performance by Liverpool, though Rangers were poor.
Dossena made an amazing goal line clearance after Novo (I think) had left Diego for dead and was about to tap into the empty net. He did lose out quite badly though to Darcheville in a foot race at one stage though. Overall though it was the first time I've seen him look a proper player.
Plessis hit a screamer which the keeper parried and Torres tapped in.
Ngog scored a great goal, great run and nice finish with his left. He played very well, so hopefully I was wrong about him. Caveat would be that he didnt seem aware of what was around him, but that could be put down to being friendly mode.
Nemeth looked quite good when he came on. A bit unlucky not to score with his first touch, keeper saved and Yossi (who played very well) tapped in. Nemeth was also pulled down for the penalty after a nice ball by Alonso. Alonso tucked the penalty away expertly. Spearing did well also when he came on.
Pennant had a bit of a mare when he came on for the last 10 minutes or so. No sign of Voronin or Finnan.
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/885/liverpoolpa2.jpg)
Watched the first half yesterday, the pass and move was like the old glory daysd - great stuff.
I know it is only pre-season but over the last couple of games Skrtl has looked brilliant.
Cracker flag :D
It's referance to their 'efforts' at the UEFA Cup final this year...remember?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 02, 2008, 06:26:04 PM
N'Gog
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/7X4TLVDSDZGY70L4
Torres
http://101greatgoals.magnify.net/item/VVY7J3H4600MKC2T
Great result. Rangers are obviously ahead of Liverpool in their preseason as they start earlier. A run of Clean sheets for the new guy Caviliri(sp?) and at last some goals. With the Barry deal nearly done with Finnan going the other way and no word of Xavi leaving, I am confident for the first time on years.
From the sound of things, looks like we are shaping up well. However I am a bit worried about our full backs. Looks like Finnan & maybe Arbeloa could go and that might leave us a bit exposed in these positions with alot of responsibility resting on new arrivals Degen & Dossena. Hopefully Aurelio will stay injury free and we might see the best of him, but I would still worry that we're fairly weak in these areas and will get caught out against the stronger teams. However, we're certainly stronger in every other area of the pitch.
Arbeloa is definitely not going. His wife doesnt like the north of England but has been told to suck it up.
Not sure why Aurelio hasnt featured more in pre-season. Maybe he has a niggle?
Darby and Insua are genuine options too. And with experience, they will lose the naiviety they sometimes show.
Plus any of the centre backs bar Sami are capable of filling in at full back, so I think what we have will do well enough.
The biggest concern I have is missing Mascherano for the first few weeks. In my view he is one of our most important players, we have nobody who does what he does nearly as well as he does it.
Hound I agree what you say that Masch is the best at what he does but I don't think he will be the lose that he would be later in the season. The first 3 games in the PL are not going to be earth shattering games and Liverpool should win them. The Olympics is over on the 24th August and that means he will physically only miss two games as the Villa game is on the 31st, and that is presuming that Argentina go the whole way.
The big game he will be needed for is on the 13th Sept against United, he will be well rested and will also have had good quality game time under his playing for the argies, as will Lucas and Babel. I actually think the Olympics could work in Liverpool's favour this year.
benitez issued a statement this evening saying he is not looking to sell alonso in order to buy barry. happy days
By Ian Herbert
Monday, 4 August 2008
Gareth Barry is likely to complete his £18m move from Aston Villa to Liverpool this week
Liverpool will secure Gareth Barry's signature this week, following the concession of defeat by the Aston Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, in his summer-long battle to persuade the midfielder to stay.
Liverpool's manager, Rafael Benitez, is keen to wrap up an £18m cash deal – the valuation Villa have always placed on the player – as quickly as possible. He may have the England international at his disposal within 72 hours, provided there are no hitches with the cash advance which Liverpool's owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, are understood to have agreed to make.
Benitez had been told that he had to sell to buy and the chances of securing Barry's services seemed to have receded with the £19m purchase of the striker Robbie Keane from Tottenham Hotspur last week. But Hicks and Gillett are understood to have provided the £18m needed to buy Barry ahead of possible further sales, and may be willing to write off any shortfall remaining after the transfer window closes.
Liverpool's major hope of helping to recoup the full sum receded further yesterday, however, when the Juventus manager, Claudio Ranieri, said after a 3-0 defeat to Hamburg in London that he was no longer considering a move for Xabi Alonso. The Italian club had never tabled a firm offer for the Spain midfielder.
Benitez can still hope that Jermaine Pennant will bring in £4m, should Blackburn Rovers develop their known interest in the winger. Andrei Voronin could bring in £6m and Steve Finnan £2m. Alvaro Arbeloa's departure has also been anticipated, though Benitez last week dismissed suggestions that the Spaniard might be unhappy at the club.
Liverpool remained hopeful of signing Barry after the drama of last Wednesday, when Villa made an unexpected declaration that the England player was to stay, minutes after the conclusion of a deadline they had imposed. Liverpool made no progress on the matter on Friday but Barry had actually persuaded O'Neill to give up on his services on Thursday morning. O'Neill, who has never been short of public proclamations on the issue, revealed as much after Villa's 1-1 draw at Reading in a friendly on Saturday.
O'Neill said that Barry and his agent, Alex Black, had felt that Liverpool could still do the deal. The Villa manager had hoped a £60,000-a-week offer might tempt the midfielder to stay.
"I was obviously very disappointed that that was still part of the scenario going forward," O'Neill said. "I gave it some thought and realised that at the end of it all there was little point in pretending. Gareth would want to join Liverpool and therefore there would be no deadline.
"I have agreed with Gareth now that Liverpool have got all the time in the world if they want to raise the money. That's the case. That's it. The ball is firmly in Liverpool's court, that's fine, not a problem."
For a manager who has railed against Liverpool and Benitez all summer, such a change of course and tone is surprising. But O'Neill can show that his club have earned every penny they were demanding for Barry, with a considerable amount payable immediately. It is understood Liverpool have accepted Villa's demand that the £18m be delivered in two instalments.
At Liverpool, Hicks' role in the move provides the biggest boost to his reputation since he arrived at the club in February 2007. Though the biggest concern at Anfield has always been the two American owners' capacity to get a new stadium built, two top-bracket signings and Saturday's 4-0 friendly win at Rangers provide a sense at last that the club is moving forward.
Xabi to Arsenal?
Arsène Wenger wants Xabi Alonso to form a Spanish midfield axis with Cesc Fábregas at Arsenal next season, provided Liverpool dramatically lower their £18m price for the marginalised playmaker.
Arsenal have made an initial approach for the 26-year-old Alonso, who has been told he can leave Anfield for the right price. His first-team prospects are threatened by the imminent arrival of Gareth Barry; Liverpool's manager, Rafael Benítez, hopes finally to complete the saga of Barry's £18m transfer from Aston Villa this week, after Martin O'Neill was forced to make a U-turn over his captain's future, and has insisted on a similar fee for Alonso as he attempts to balance the books.
Benítez's price tag, however, has deterred Arsenal from returning with a firm offer for a player they value at closer to the £10.5m Liverpool paid Real Sociedad for him four years ago. The deal will remain only a remote possibility unless Arsenal revise their stance or, despite Benítez's insistence that Alonso and Barry can operate in his already crowded central midfield, the Liverpool manager's need to raise funds forces a compromise.
"I don't think it will be easy [for him to leave]," admitted Benítez in Glasgow on Saturday. "The value of Alonso in the market will be really high. We are really pleased with him and we don't want him to go unless we get a very good price."
Liverpool had intended to sell Alonso to Juventus to finance Barry's transfer but, despite the collapse of that deal and a lack of suitors apart from Arsenal, Benítez will sign Villa's captain provided Liverpool's co-owners underwrite a loan to conclude the £18m deal. Tom Hicks and George Gillett promised the money before Villa's deadline to complete the transfer last week, only for a revised payment structure to cause Liverpool to miss the cut-off point - whereupon Villa issued a statement insisting, farcically, that the deal was off.
Liverpool's willingness to meet Villa's asking price led Barry and his agent, Alex Black, to insist again on the move on Friday morning. O'Neill and Randy Lerner, Villa's owner, then ended their resistance and put the onus back on Liverpool to come up with the package they had promised last week. "I gave it some thought and realised there is little point in pretending," said the Villa manager. "Gareth would want to join Liverpool and therefore there would be no deadline. I have agreed with Gareth now. That's it, no problem: Liverpool have all the time in the world to do it if they want to raise the money."
Xabi must stay. Find the money for barry another way!
Fookin' disaster if Liverpool sell Xabi to Arsenal, especially at a lowered price. Is this what Liverpool are reduced too, selling good players to their rivals? And for what? So they can land Gareth Barry? Talk about being through the looking glass, this period under the Americans is turning into a nightmare.
Quote from: Mentalman on August 04, 2008, 02:12:29 PM
Fookin' disaster if Liverpool sell Xabi to Arsenal, especially at a lowered price. Is this what Liverpool are reduced too, selling good players to their rivals? And for what? So they can land Gareth Barry? Talk about being through the looking glass, this period under the Americans is turning into a nightmare.
FFS, Benitez preferring Barry to Alonso has absolutely nothing to do with the Americans!!
If Barry is signed, then Alonso will evenutally want to go because he'll be getting feck all games, so it'll make sense to sell him sooner rather than later to get a bigger fee.
Though of course everyone would much sooner see him playing with Atletico Madrid or similar rather than Arsenal!
And from what I've seen and read, about 20% of Liverpool supporters agree with Benitez that Barry is better than Alonso, but that's beside the point.
I agree. Last year plenty of Pool fans were getting stuck into Xabi and all of a sudden it would be a disaster? Barry has been excellent in a mediocre team this last few years. He coulf flourish at Liverpool.
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2008, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on August 04, 2008, 02:12:29 PM
Fookin' disaster if Liverpool sell Xabi to Arsenal, especially at a lowered price. Is this what Liverpool are reduced too, selling good players to their rivals? And for what? So they can land Gareth Barry? Talk about being through the looking glass, this period under the Americans is turning into a nightmare.
FFS, Benitez preferring Barry to Alonso has absolutely nothing to do with the Americans!!
If Barry is signed, then Alonso will evenutally want to go because he'll be getting feck all games, so it'll make sense to sell him sooner rather than later to get a bigger fee.
Though of course everyone would much sooner see him playing with Atletico Madrid or similar rather than Arsenal!
And from what I've seen and read, about 20% of Liverpool supporters agree with Benitez that Barry is better than Alonso, but that's beside the point.
I didn't say it was, but it seems since their takeover, other than signing Torres, very little has gone right - perhaps that's coincidence. Right now Liverpool are in the situation that they have to sell to complete the purchases they want - i.e. finance is an issue. Far from the golden age promised by the spetics when they came in. I wonder if Sir Alex wanted to sign Barry, would he have to sell Carrick first? Is Liverpool's midfield so strong and invincibly fit that we can't facilitate a player of Xabi's undoubted ability? I mean we are shorn of a number of players for the styart of the season, and if we out Alonso and in Barry, we're getting rid of one quality midfielder with a full preseason, and bringing in a decent to good player who missed the majority of preseason becuase he wasn't professional enough to keep his mouth shut. Listen I think Barry is a good player, and can fill a number of positions, and great if Liverpool sign him - but with all the fuss and at the cost of Alonso? I'm not convinced. It's no mistake that Wenger wants him.
Quote
Leto signs Olympiakos loan deal
Liverpool midfielder Sebastian Leto has agreed a two-year loan deal with Olympiakos after being denied a work permit to play in England next season.
The 21-year-old Argentine, who joined the Reds from Lanus for around £2m in 2007, was granted an Italian passport last summer but it was later revoked.
That left Leto needing a work permit but Liverpool's application was refused by the Department of Work and Pensions.
And he arrived in Greece on Monday to complete his medical with Olympiakos.
"Olympiakos is a challenge for me. I know I will be here for two years," Leto told the club's official website.
"I've had two weeks of pre-season training with Liverpool and I believe I will be ready to do whatever I have to.
"Olympiakos are a great team who challenge for every honour in Greece and in the Champions League.
"The team has some good players, a well known coach and fanatical supporters which always inspires them."
On Monday, Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez expressed his belief that the decision not to give Leto a work permit was unfair.
"I am disappointed and it was a surprise because this is a player who has played in the Champions League and been in the Argentina squad for the Olympic Games," Benitez told Liverpool's website.
"You have managers talking about how good he is, so I think the system needs to change.
"We have maybe eight or 10 teams in Spain, Italy and Greece asking about him. When you have eight or 10 teams asking about a player and he's not playing, it means that he is good."
Benitez remains confident that Leto still has a future at Anfield, however, adding: "He has a long contract, and I think he can impress and next year will be a different situation."
Leto played four times for Liverpool last season in the Champions League and Carling Cup but is yet to make his Premier League debut for the club.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7540678.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7540678.stm)
Quote from: Mentalman on August 05, 2008, 01:24:25 PM
I didn't say it was, but it seems since their takeover, other than signing Torres, very little has gone right - perhaps that's coincidence. Right now Liverpool are in the situation that they have to sell to complete the purchases they want - i.e. finance is an issue. Far from the golden age promised by the spetics when they came in. I wonder if Sir Alex wanted to sign Barry, would he have to sell Carrick first? Is Liverpool's midfield so strong and invincibly fit that we can't facilitate a player of Xabi's undoubted ability? I mean we are shorn of a number of players for the styart of the season, and if we out Alonso and in Barry, we're getting rid of one quality midfielder with a full preseason, and bringing in a decent to good player who missed the majority of preseason becuase he wasn't professional enough to keep his mouth shut. Listen I think Barry is a good player, and can fill a number of positions, and great if Liverpool sign him - but with all the fuss and at the cost of Alonso? I'm not convinced. It's no mistake that Wenger wants him.
Metalman, Im no fan of the yanks but in fairness we've made the 3 most expensive signings in the history of the club since they took control - Torres, Keane & Mascherano. And when we buy Barry, it'll make it 4. Plus we've signed the most expensive defender in the club's history - Skrtel, & closely behind him in price is Dossena.
Yes the fuss about Barry has been embarrassing but we need to start pointing the finger at the likes of Rick Parry before blaming the yanks for this. And from what I hear, the yanks have agreed to "loan" Rafa the money to buy Barry based on future sales. Cant ask for more than that.
And Yes, we need to sell in order to buy, but that was always the situation. When the yanks took over, either the wool was pulled over our eyes in relation to the finances or else we were too gullible & believed they were the knights in shining armour we needed to compete with utd & chelsea. But bottomline is that we are now a club hugely in debt and until we get the new stadium built and get a huge increase in gate receipts, or else get somebody like abramovich to take over, then we'll never be in a position to financially compete with utd or chelsea. And after rafa finishes selling the deadwood this summer, it's going to be extremely difficult to raise funds for big name signings in the future. I think Rafa knows he needs to deliver this season and is going for broke. Lets just hope it pays off.
By the way, regarding the Alonso situation my preference is to hold him if possible and put him in a midfield three along with Barry & Mascherano. If we have to sell him, then fair enough but it has to be back to spain - no way should we sell him to link up with fabregas in arsenal.
Quote from: stevo-08 on August 05, 2008, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on August 05, 2008, 01:24:25 PM
I didn't say it was, but it seems since their takeover, other than signing Torres, very little has gone right - perhaps that's coincidence. Right now Liverpool are in the situation that they have to sell to complete the purchases they want - i.e. finance is an issue. Far from the golden age promised by the spetics when they came in. I wonder if Sir Alex wanted to sign Barry, would he have to sell Carrick first? Is Liverpool's midfield so strong and invincibly fit that we can't facilitate a player of Xabi's undoubted ability? I mean we are shorn of a number of players for the styart of the season, and if we out Alonso and in Barry, we're getting rid of one quality midfielder with a full preseason, and bringing in a decent to good player who missed the majority of preseason becuase he wasn't professional enough to keep his mouth shut. Listen I think Barry is a good player, and can fill a number of positions, and great if Liverpool sign him - but with all the fuss and at the cost of Alonso? I'm not convinced. It's no mistake that Wenger wants him.
Metalman, Im no fan of the yanks but in fairness we've made the 3 most expensive signings in the history of the club since they took control - Torres, Keane & Mascherano. And when we buy Barry, it'll make it 4. Plus we've signed the most expensive defender in the club's history - Skrtel, & closely behind him in price is Dossena.
Yes the fuss about Barry has been embarrassing but we need to start pointing the finger at the likes of Rick Parry before blaming the yanks for this. And from what I hear, the yanks have agreed to "loan" Rafa the money to buy Barry based on future sales. Cant ask for more than that.
And Yes, we need to sell in order to buy, but that was always the situation. When the yanks took over, either the wool was pulled over our eyes in relation to the finances or else we were too gullible & believed they were the knights in shining armour we needed to compete with utd & chelsea. But bottomline is that we are now a club hugely in debt and until we get the new stadium built and get a huge increase in gate receipts, or else get somebody like abramovich to take over, then we'll never be in a position to financially compete with utd or chelsea. And after rafa finishes selling the deadwood this summer, it's going to be extremely difficult to raise funds for big name signings in the future. I think Rafa knows he needs to deliver this season and is going for broke. Lets just hope it pays off.
By the way, regarding the Alonso situation my preference is to hold him if possible and put him in a midfield three along with Barry & Mascherano. If we have to sell him, then fair enough but it has to be back to spain - no way should we sell him to link up with fabregas in arsenal.
All good points Stevo, taken on board. I think though the record signings of defenders is more a product of how low the previous records were, the prices paid for Skrtlel & Dossena are more indicative of the current market. You're probably right about the Yanks, but we seem to have suffered one embarrasement after another - be it the stadium fiasco, talking to Klinsman behind Rafa's back, the public bickering between the partners or the apparent unwillingness to back Rafa in the transfer market in Janurary - under their tenure. You are correct about Torres, Mascher and Keane, but we have to be honest with ourselves, Liverpool need to make about 3 big signings over the next 2 or 3 seasons to have any hope of getting closer to a league title, otherwise the club are just threading water and fighting with Spurs or Everton for fourth. If the yanks can't facilitate that, then I wish they would agree a price with DIC and make room for someone who will. A lot of frustration here on my behalf :)
Personally I think the Yanks have taken a whole heap of unwarranted stick from fans. The only thing they did wrong was admit to meeting Klinsmann. Anyone who thinks the Arabs will be any better is in dreamland.
Unless you've got a headcase like Abramovich, any investor is going to be in it to make profits, whether it be Hicks, Gillet, Glazier, Lerner, DIC. There will be no unlimited budgets - every transfer will have to make sense and there will have to be incomings as well out outgoings. And even Abramovich hasn't "given" Chelsea a cent - everything has gone in as an interest-free loan in the Balance Sheet of Chelsea. Nobody knows whether at the end of the day he'll look for payment or forgive it and write it off (though at the very least there's no big interest to pay like the mancs and Liverpool).
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 04, 2008, 02:44:06 AM
By Ian Herbert
Monday, 4 August 2008
Gareth Barry is likely to complete his £18m move from Aston Villa to Liverpool this week
Liverpool will secure Gareth Barry's signature this week, following the concession of defeat by the Aston Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, in his summer-long battle to persuade the midfielder to stay.
Liverpool's manager, Rafael Benitez, is keen to wrap up an £18m cash deal – the valuation Villa have always placed on the player – as quickly as possible. He may have the England international at his disposal within 72 hours, provided there are no hitches with the cash advance which Liverpool's owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, are understood to have agreed to make.
Benitez had been told that he had to sell to buy and the chances of securing Barry's services seemed to have receded with the £19m purchase of the striker Robbie Keane from Tottenham Hotspur last week. But Hicks and Gillett are understood to have provided the £18m needed to buy Barry ahead of possible further sales, and may be willing to write off any shortfall remaining after the transfer window closes.
Liverpool's major hope of helping to recoup the full sum receded further yesterday, however, when the Juventus manager, Claudio Ranieri, said after a 3-0 defeat to Hamburg in London that he was no longer considering a move for Xabi Alonso. The Italian club had never tabled a firm offer for the Spain midfielder.
Benitez can still hope that Jermaine Pennant will bring in £4m, should Blackburn Rovers develop their known interest in the winger. Andrei Voronin could bring in £6m and Steve Finnan £2m. Alvaro Arbeloa's departure has also been anticipated, though Benitez last week dismissed suggestions that the Spaniard might be unhappy at the club.
Liverpool remained hopeful of signing Barry after the drama of last Wednesday, when Villa made an unexpected declaration that the England player was to stay, minutes after the conclusion of a deadline they had imposed. Liverpool made no progress on the matter on Friday but Barry had actually persuaded O'Neill to give up on his services on Thursday morning. O'Neill, who has never been short of public proclamations on the issue, revealed as much after Villa's 1-1 draw at Reading in a friendly on Saturday.
O'Neill said that Barry and his agent, Alex Black, had felt that Liverpool could still do the deal. The Villa manager had hoped a £60,000-a-week offer might tempt the midfielder to stay.
"I was obviously very disappointed that that was still part of the scenario going forward," O'Neill said. "I gave it some thought and realised that at the end of it all there was little point in pretending. Gareth would want to join Liverpool and therefore there would be no deadline.
"I have agreed with Gareth now that Liverpool have got all the time in the world if they want to raise the money. That's the case. That's it. The ball is firmly in Liverpool's court, that's fine, not a problem."
For a manager who has railed against Liverpool and Benitez all summer, such a change of course and tone is surprising. But O'Neill can show that his club have earned every penny they were demanding for Barry, with a considerable amount payable immediately. It is understood Liverpool have accepted Villa's demand that the £18m be delivered in two instalments.
At Liverpool, Hicks' role in the move provides the biggest boost to his reputation since he arrived at the club in February 2007. Though the biggest concern at Anfield has always been the two American owners' capacity to get a new stadium built, two top-bracket signings and Saturday's 4-0 friendly win at Rangers provide a sense at last that the club is moving forward.
did yous all miss that comment :o
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2008, 02:55:53 PM
Personally I think the Yanks have taken a whole heap of unwarranted stick from fans. The only thing they did wrong was admit to meeting Klinsmann. Anyone who thinks the Arabs will be any better is in dreamland.
Unless you've got a headcase like Abramovich, any investor is going to be in it to make profits, whether it be Hicks, Gillet, Glazier, Lerner, DIC. There will be no unlimited budgets - every transfer will have to make sense and there will have to be incomings as well out outgoings. And even Abramovich hasn't "given" Chelsea a cent - everything has gone in as an interest-free loan in the Balance Sheet of Chelsea. Nobody knows whether at the end of the day he'll look for payment or forgive it and write it off (though at the very least there's no big interest to pay like the mancs and Liverpool).
I don't know about dreamland, but it's patently obvious that our pair of septics have got in over their head, or at least have extended themselves beyond what they hoped too. The combination of the reality of costs in the premier league, the credit crunch, and their inability to work together means they are in no position to bring the club forward. Agreed everyone is in it too make money, but there are those willing or able to speculate to accumulate, and those who are only waiting to sell on at a profit, one step above asset stripping if things go wrong. It's obvious our guys are now firmly in that category, and if a suitable margin could have been garnered from DIC last year they would be gone already. In my opinion they have handled things very badly in the media, obviously not understanding the tradition of a club like Liverpool, where generally things are handled in house and out of glare of the cameras. Personally I would be amazed if the new stadium happens at all under their ownership, at best it won't be completed while they are there. Granted there are only a limited number of entities capable of investing in a club of Liverpool's size and attempting to resotre it to past glories, but these guys are not them IMHO - I hope to be proved wrong.
Quote from: isourboydownyet on August 05, 2008, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 04, 2008, 02:44:06 AM
By Ian Herbert
Monday, 4 August 2008
Gareth Barry is likely to complete his £18m move from Aston Villa to Liverpool this week
Liverpool will secure Gareth Barry's signature this week, following the concession of defeat by the Aston Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, in his summer-long battle to persuade the midfielder to stay.
Liverpool's manager, Rafael Benitez, is keen to wrap up an £18m cash deal – the valuation Villa have always placed on the player – as quickly as possible. He may have the England international at his disposal within 72 hours, provided there are no hitches with the cash advance which Liverpool's owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, are understood to have agreed to make.
Benitez had been told that he had to sell to buy and the chances of securing Barry's services seemed to have receded with the £19m purchase of the striker Robbie Keane from Tottenham Hotspur last week. But Hicks and Gillett are understood to have provided the £18m needed to buy Barry ahead of possible further sales, and may be willing to write off any shortfall remaining after the transfer window closes.
Liverpool's major hope of helping to recoup the full sum receded further yesterday, however, when the Juventus manager, Claudio Ranieri, said after a 3-0 defeat to Hamburg in London that he was no longer considering a move for Xabi Alonso. The Italian club had never tabled a firm offer for the Spain midfielder.
Benitez can still hope that Jermaine Pennant will bring in £4m, should Blackburn Rovers develop their known interest in the winger. Andrei Voronin could bring in £6m and Steve Finnan £2m. Alvaro Arbeloa's departure has also been anticipated, though Benitez last week dismissed suggestions that the Spaniard might be unhappy at the club.
Liverpool remained hopeful of signing Barry after the drama of last Wednesday, when Villa made an unexpected declaration that the England player was to stay, minutes after the conclusion of a deadline they had imposed. Liverpool made no progress on the matter on Friday but Barry had actually persuaded O'Neill to give up on his services on Thursday morning. O'Neill, who has never been short of public proclamations on the issue, revealed as much after Villa's 1-1 draw at Reading in a friendly on Saturday.
O'Neill said that Barry and his agent, Alex Black, had felt that Liverpool could still do the deal. The Villa manager had hoped a £60,000-a-week offer might tempt the midfielder to stay.
"I was obviously very disappointed that that was still part of the scenario going forward," O'Neill said. "I gave it some thought and realised that at the end of it all there was little point in pretending. Gareth would want to join Liverpool and therefore there would be no deadline.
"I have agreed with Gareth now that Liverpool have got all the time in the world if they want to raise the money. That's the case. That's it. The ball is firmly in Liverpool's court, that's fine, not a problem."
For a manager who has railed against Liverpool and Benitez all summer, such a change of course and tone is surprising. But O'Neill can show that his club have earned every penny they were demanding for Barry, with a considerable amount payable immediately. It is understood Liverpool have accepted Villa's demand that the £18m be delivered in two instalments.
At Liverpool, Hicks' role in the move provides the biggest boost to his reputation since he arrived at the club in February 2007. Though the biggest concern at Anfield has always been the two American owners' capacity to get a new stadium built, two top-bracket signings and Saturday's 4-0 friendly win at Rangers provide a sense at last that the club is moving forward.
did yous all miss that comment :o
Apparently Voronin is still highly thought of in Germany where he did well for Leverkusen. Must be the 1980's metal haircut he has.
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 30, 2008, 12:34:29 PM
I think there are a few German clubs interested. But sure Saxon are popular there too!
You've been rumbled Galwaybayboy ;D
Get your own material ;)
Would be amazed if he garnered 6 million. I'd volunteer to drive the hoor to any club willing to part with 2 or 3 million! Or even reimburse me the diesel money!
Quote from: Chrisowc on August 05, 2008, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on July 30, 2008, 12:34:29 PM
I think there are a few German clubs interested. But sure Saxon are popular there too!
You've been rumbled Galwaybayboy ;D
Get your own material ;)
I was more of a Scorpions man myself. ;D
Team tonight:
Cavalieri
Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Kuyt, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun
Torres, Keane.
Subs: Reina, Plessis, Darby, Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing, El Zhar, Insua, Ngog, Hyypia.
Its on channel 434 on the Sky system. Any pub with Setanta should have it. Kick off at 6pm
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
Team tonight:
Cavalieri
Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Kuyt, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun
Torres, Keane.
Subs: Reina, Plessis, Darby, Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing, El Zhar, Insua, Ngog, Hyypia.
Its on channel 434 on the Sky system. Any pub with Setanta should have it. Kick off at 6pm
We've been playing a lot of 442 in preseason but i don't think we really have the personal to play this formation. I liked the look of the 4231 formation we played in the second half of last season, maybe we'll switch back to it when the lads return from the olympics
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
Team tonight:
Cavalieri
Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Kuyt, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun
Torres, Keane.
Subs: Reina, Plessis, Darby, Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing, El Zhar, Insua, Ngog, Hyypia.
Its on channel 434 on the Sky system. Any pub with Setanta should have it. Kick off at 6pm
that team & subs list certainly seems to confirm that finnan, pennant & voronin are all on their way out.
Live stream here apparently
http://www.justin.tv/mstv_2
Its live on the Liverpool channel on NTL.
Cavalieri getting a lot of games isn't he
Quote from: stevo-08 on August 05, 2008, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
Team tonight:
Cavalieri
Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Kuyt, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun
Torres, Keane.
Subs: Reina, Plessis, Darby, Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing, El Zhar, Insua, Ngog, Hyypia.
Its on channel 434 on the Sky system. Any pub with Setanta should have it. Kick off at 6pm
that team & subs list certainly seems to confirm that finnan, pennant & voronin are all on their way out.
Might mean those three are on the way out rather than Alonso.
Would leave us with lots of central midfielders unless Rafa is thinking of playing Barry on the left side of midfield.
I also like the 4-2-3-1 formation. But I think Mascho is vital for it to work effectively. With him there, the front 4 need have little/no worries about defending.
Yip, looks like Voronin, Pennant and Finnan are on the way out. £12m (say 4+6+2) for the 3 might mean we don't need to sell Xabi to buy Barry.
Degen and Skrtel are injured so that explains why they're missing.
Not sure whether Aurelio fits into the first or second category. Havent heard any rumours about him being on a potential selling list, and wouldnt see much sense in it either.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 05, 2008, 06:12:03 PM
Would leave us with lots of central midfielders unless Rafa is thinking of playing Barry on the left side of midfield.
But Villa fans would tell you that when he transformed from a left back / left midfielder into a central midfielder, he transformed from a decent premiership player to an excellent one.
Goal. Alonso. great strike
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2008, 06:08:58 PM
Live stream here apparently
http://www.justin.tv/mstv_2
http://www.justin.tv/pehtv
Isn't in english but the picture is better quality
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on August 05, 2008, 06:20:26 PM
Goal. Alonso. great strike
Very good work from Arbeloa, and a nice flick by Keane to set up Xabi.
Gerrard injured.
Be a little ironic if Alonso and Barry ends up being our midfield partnership for the first month!
3-1 now
Torres with #2 and Flossi with #3
4-1
Good displays by the 4 forward youngsters in the 2nd half. Nemeth, Pacheco, El Zhar and Ngog.
Ngog makes it 4 after great work by Pacheco.
enjoyed that tonight. same four goalscorers from the weekend. Pacheco looks a real clever player. and have to say Plessis really impresses me everytime I see him play!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 05, 2008, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on August 05, 2008, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 05, 2008, 05:31:35 PM
Team tonight:
Cavalieri
Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Kuyt, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun
Torres, Keane.
Subs: Reina, Plessis, Darby, Nemeth, Pacheco, Spearing, El Zhar, Insua, Ngog, Hyypia.
Its on channel 434 on the Sky system. Any pub with Setanta should have it. Kick off at 6pm
that team & subs list certainly seems to confirm that finnan, pennant & voronin are all on their way out.
Might mean those three are on the way out rather than Alonso.
Would leave us with lots of central midfielders unless Rafa is thinking of playing Barry on the left side of midfield.
was thinking the same Galwaybayboy, hopefully thats the plan. And no harm in having a few options in central midfield, especially when they are quality players. Barry & Alonso could be deployed in the centre with mascherano just sitting in behind. Gerrard, Keane & Torres leading the attack. Does leave it a bit narrow, relying on dossena & degen/arbeloa for the width.
on tonights game, how did agger look? How bad is gerrard's injury. Unfortunately i havent seen a kick of preseason but things certainly motoring well.
According to LFC.tv Gerrard picked up a thigh strain. Out up to 7 days which puts him in jeopardy for the Liege first leg. Nothing too serious though.
Agger was the only player to play a full game! He was great in possession as usual. He will be a great addition this season!
Will the champ league quals be shown on ITV?
Glad to hear Gerrard's injury isnt too serious. But its a worry that he hasnt been able to take part in a full pre-season. The groin injury previously keeping him out for a while. Great to hear that Agger is doing well. It'll certainly be interesting to see who starts in the centre next tuesday. maybe with skrtel recovering from injury, rafa will start with carra & agger.
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Gerrard injury could keep Alonso at AnfieldWednesday, 6 August 2008 17:03
Steven Gerrard's thigh injury will almost certainly scupper any thoughts Liverpool had of selling Xabi Alonso to raise money for a Gareth Barry deal.
The Anfield skipper returned from Oslo having picked up the injury in the 4-1 win over Valerenga and had a scan and further medical tests on Wednesday.
Boss Rafael Benitez believes it is 'touch and go' whether Gerrard will be fit for next Wednesday's Champions League third qualifying round, first leg fixture away to Standard Liege.
If Gerrard is not fit for that match then Alonso will have to play, considering that fellow midfielders Javier Mascherano and Lucas are away at the Olympics.
And once Alonso becomes cup-tied in the Champions League his value will drop significantly.
Alonso, valued at over £16 million by Benitez, would only ever consider a move to another of the Champions League elite. Otherwise he would be dropping down a level, and the chance to play in the UEFA Cup would not interest him.
And with the Barry deal seemingly no nearer completion, despite the green light from Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill at the weekend, Benitez may soon have to look at other means of raising the cash.
It was thought that the club's American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett would come up with a short-term loan to allow Benitez to complete the Barry deal and then sell players.
And observers had been expecting the deal to be completed by now, bearing in mind that it was supposed to have been almost tied up last week before O'Neill's self-imposed deadline, withdrawn by the Villa boss at the weekend.
Any chance of Barry being unveiled at Friday's home friendly with Lazio seems long gone, which puts a further question mark on the Americans' ability to raise the cash.
And Benitez has clearly been impressed by Alonso's pre-season form - he has scored two in two now - while Yossi Benayoun's desire to stay at Anfield is obvious, too.
Benitez praised Alonso's performance in Oslo, saying: 'Xabi scored a good goal after scoring a penalty against Rangers on Saturday so this is very positive.
'He is showing that he is a good professional but then we already knew this and I am very pleased with his commitment on the pitch.'
Benitez is unlikely to try to order back from China his Olympic trio of Mascherano, Lucas and Ryan Babel, despite the decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to allow clubs to pull their players out of the Games.
Liverpool declined to comment officially today on the surprise ruling that allows clubs to withdraw their players after Barcelona, Werder Bremen and Schalke appealed.
But Benitez does not want to upset his three players who are about to start the tournament later this week, particularly Mascherano, who wants to win a second gold medal with Argentina.
To recall them now would certainly leave Benitez with three very unhappy players, all of whom have made it clear they want to be in China.
So he will soldier on with the players he has fit for next week's trip to Liege. And if the money is not forthcoming from the American owners to push the Barry deal through, Benitez is expected to look elsewhere for finance rather than sell Alonso or Benayoun.
The Barry deal would require him to find half of the £18 million now, the rest payable in a year.
So the likes of Jermaine Pennant and Andriy Voronin are likely to be sold to raise around £9 million, but that would mean the deal is unlikely to be completed until the end of the transfer window.
Meanwhile the Reds have confirmed Sebastian Leto has signed a one-year loan agreement with Greek outfit Olympiacos and not a two-year deal as has been widely reported.
The 21-year-old midfielder, who joined the Reds from Lanus in 2007, had his work permit application refused last week and the club were forced to loan him out.
Leto's contract with Olympiacos runs until June 30, 2009 - meaning it is effectively a one season deal - contrary to reports which suggested a two-year contract had been agreed.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/0806/gerrards.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/0806/gerrards.html)
Shouldnt have taken a f**king injury to Gerrard to make the decision that he should be kept!
Alonso in my opinion was head and shoulders above anyone else on the field last night. A right sided player is what Liverpool should be in the market for! Although Kuyt played well last night too :o
Pre-season friendly keep the heads lads.
Poeple who think Kuty is shite have no idea about soccer.
I dont think he is shite, my impression had been that he had been bought to score goals.
I know he works his ballix off, but just sometimes felt that he lacks that bit of quality that was needed to be a Liverpool player.
This will be a defining season for him and i honestly hope he can deliver some big performances.
He is an honest player who runs his balls of for the team, but he isnt the type of player that will turn a game for you.
If he is a winger he should be providing ammo or turning games, if he is a striker he should be scoring goals.
He doesnt seem to be doing either of these
Not a player who can exert his influence on a game IMHO
Quote from: corn02 on August 06, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
Pre-season friendly keep the heads lads.
Poeple who think Kuty is shite have no idea about soccer.
Maybe Liverpool should try sign him! :-\
Totally disagree. He certainly needs to chip in with a few more goals this year fros ure, but he is very underrated.
The role he play ios not just about attacking and also defending and whoever plays rb for the pool will always want Kuyt in the team as he covers them constantly. He, of course, had a very hard year and while not really a valid excuse, I expect him to have a big impact this year.
As for not turning games, we have forgotten his exploits in the CL this year.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 06, 2008, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 06, 2008, 10:23:14 PM
Pre-season friendly keep the heads lads.
Poeple who think Kuty is shite have no idea about soccer.
Maybe Liverpool should try sign him! :-\
Brilliant. spelling his name wrong has totally undermined the argument. ::)
Whats the argument? I also think he is a decent player, but by no means world class. Last nights team i would think will be the team starting next weeks game in Liege. Kuyt seems to be going to be playing wide right, imo we need a more creative player in this position. Surely with two defensive mid fielders we should have enough cover for our full backs.
Yeah good point but it depends what sytem he plays.
The team I would like to see:
Reina
Carragher Skertl Agger Dossena
Kuyt Mascherano Gerrard Barry
Keane
Torres
.
Next weeks team should go something like this:
Reina
Arbeloa Carra Agger Dossena
Alonso Gerrard (if fit ,Plessis if not)
Kuyt Keane Benny
Torres
Again it lacks width for me. Babels return should help. Havent seen much of Barry so cant really comment on him. would he supply much width on the left or is he more a central mid field man?
My strongest line up with what we have would be:
Reina
Carra Skertl Agger Dossena
Masch Alonso
Gerrard Keane Babel
Torres
Skertl is going to have a powerful year me thinks.
Kuyt, to me is a good hard worker who is a decent squad player. However his touch is absolutely shocking, and as the lads have said, he is neither a goal scoring striker, a link man, or a winger. At least he hasn't proven he's any of those 3. I love his honesty and work rate, but I think any team that is relying on Kuyt to unlock the opposiition defence is not going to challenge for the Premiership.
Really would not like to see Carra at right back unless we are really stuck. To be honest I'd have him and Agger in the centre and Skertl on the bench. I know it's tough on Skertl but I think we need Carra on the pitch and for me the only place he can be played is in the middle. For me he doesn't offer enough going forward as a right back.
Any further updates on the offloads of the voninator, pennant and so on? ::)
Taken from Today's Gossip column on BBC:
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Liverpool could have raised some of the cash to finance a move for Gareth Barry with the sale of Dirk Kuyt - but the Reds scared off Hamburg with their £16m valuation of the Dutch striker. (Daily Mail)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7546529.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7546529.stm)
£16 million for Dirk :D :D :D :D
What a f**king joke
Below that it says Benny Mc Carthy for £7million ???
Quote from: full back on August 07, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
£16 million for Dirk :D :D :D :D
What a f**king joke
Jol always had great time for Dirk, mind he called him a guaranteed "20-20"man! :D
Quote from: Tommy Tibbs on August 07, 2008, 01:08:02 PM
Quote from: full back on August 07, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
£16 million for Dirk :D :D :D :D
What a f**king joke
Jol always had great time for Dirk, mind he called him a guaranteed "20-20"man! :D
Martin Jol could have a thread of his own. Maybe that could be 'for the next future'.
16 million for Kuyt, im sure Hamburg were well and truly scared off, and any other club who may have had a remote interest.
Benitez seems to be a big admirer of Kuyts (or else is too stubborn to admit that he hasnt been that effective) and is gonna perserve with him.
A make or break year ahead for Kuyt I think. He had a difficult year last year for personal reasons and it certainly seemed to affect his performances. Also he had to adapt to being switched from playing upfront to playing wide on the right, where his main duties seemed to involve providing extra cover for the defence. In fairness, he handled that change fairly well and never seemed to complain or sulk like some of our other "stars". I certainly admire his "honesty of effort", as John Giles would say, and he did score some very important goals (Everton, Inter, Arsenal) but at times it was amazing to see how Rafa persevered with him during games while taking off much more threatening players.
Rafa seems to have unbelievable loyalty in kuyt but, with the players in the squad now, surely he cant get as much gametime as he did last season. I'd hope that he'd only be used in away games against the top 3 teams or CL games when a more defensive approach is required.
I would say it is a make or break year for Liverpool/Rafa.. If they do not win the PL Rafa is gone and I think Fernando will get itchy feet!! They will stay in the battle this year for longer and will end up higher than customery 4th ;)
boom boom.
It is make or break year for Rafa though. I am his biggest fan but he needs to be in the title hunt near the end. Torres in on a 5 or 6 year deal so hi sfeet will only itch for 60 million-odd. We are ina good position but a winger would be nice.
Liverpool's owners have failed to raise the cash to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa and now the move could be off - again. (Daily Mirror)
that's great spending power those americans have >:(
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Kuyt and Benayoun stay - Benitez
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez insists that Dirk Kuyt and Yossi Benayoun will not leave the club this summer.
Dutch forward Kuyt, 28, is a target for German club Hamburg while Benitez admits Roma are interested in midfielder Benayoun, also 28.
But Benitez, after meeting with both players on Thursday, said: "Neither of them will be leaving.
"I have no more news about Yossi - he will be staying. [And] I am really pleased with Kuyt. He will be staying."
It had been suggested that the Anfield boss would let both go in order to finance a deal for Aston Villa midfielder Gareth Barry.
Liverpool have had a number of bids rejected for the England international, the latest of which was believed to be just short of Villa's £18m valuation.
But Benitez has made it clear he still considers Kuyt and Benayoun part of his plans.
"I have talked to Yossi and told him I want to keep him. He is a player with quality and has shown that during pre-season," he said.
"I also talked with Dirk Kuyt this morning. I am really pleased with him."
Liverpool signed Dutch international Kuyt from Feyenoord in August 2006 in a £10m deal while Israel's national captain Benayoun joined from West Ham in July 2007 for £5m.
At present Benitez seems no nearer to concluding a deal to bring Barry to Anfield, though Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill gave the green light to the deal - if the terms are right for Villa - at the weekend.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7548188.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7548188.stm)
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on August 08, 2008, 08:37:03 AM
Liverpool's owners have failed to raise the cash to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa and now the move could be off - again. (Daily Mirror)
that's great spending power those americans have >:(
wouldnt pay too much heed to what the mirror says. I fully expect liverpool to sign barry with finnan going the other way. The only question is whether liverpool sign him before or after they get funds from the likes of pennant & voronin. with the way this saga has gone on, it wouldnt surprise me if we have to wait until the last minute of the transfer window before confirming the deal.
Team for tonight:
Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Agger, Alonso, Plessis, Kuyt, Benayoun, Torres, Keane. Subs: Cavalieri, Hyypia, Finnan, Voronin, Pennant, Insua, Ngog, Spearing, Nemeth, El Zhar.
any streaming links?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 08, 2008, 07:52:15 PM
any streaming links?
I used the one from Tuesday night but it only has audio of the Arse v Ajaxsch on Sky
http://www.justin.tv/live24 (http://www.justin.tv/live24)
El Nino just missed a sitter.
http://www.justin.tv/widgets/jtv_live.r844...channel=hippy__
Really good stream not sure if its the same as yours chris
The pony tailed wonder. 1-0
Quote from: FermGael on August 08, 2008, 10:05:07 PM
The pony tailed wonder. 1-0
£6m? Cheap at half the price ;D
Always wondered what that mean't :-\
Quote from: FermGael on August 08, 2008, 10:05:07 PM
The pony tailed wonder. 1-0
Cracking goal,Still would sell him for a packet of Tayto and a bottle of Fanta though
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 08, 2008, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 08, 2008, 10:05:07 PM
The pony tailed wonder. 1-0
Cracking goal,Still would sell him for a packet of Tayto and a bottle of Fanta though
Nope it would have to be a club orange LL
Quote from: FermGael on August 08, 2008, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 08, 2008, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: FermGael on August 08, 2008, 10:05:07 PM
The pony tailed wonder. 1-0
Cracking goal,Still would sell him for a packet of Tayto and a bottle of Fanta though
Nope it would have to be a club orange LL
I dunno is he worth a Club orange??
I would say apart from the Mash and Stevie G that was fairly close to the starting 11 tonight.
Benayoun has impressed me in the games i have seen and i believe he will be a more regular starter this year.I hope Keane scores soon just to get going,I know its only the end of pre-season but it would be good so as not to have another situation like Crouchie when he arrived first,the longer it goes without scoring the harder it will get...
Still unsure about Dossena,he looks good at times but i'm not 100% convinced of him yet,Too be honest i like Insua and wouldn't mind seeing more of him...
Btw that fella Spearing looks about 12!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 08, 2008, 10:30:51 PM
I dunno is he worth a Club orange??
I would say apart from the Mash and Stevie G that was fairly close to the starting 11 tonight.
Benayoun has impressed me in the games i have seen and i believe he will be a more regular starter this year.I hope Keane scores soon just to get going,I know its only the end of pre-season but it would be good so as not to have another situation like Crouchie when he arrived first,the longer it goes without scoring the harder it will get...
Still unsure about Dossena,he looks good at times but i'm not 100% convinced of him yet,Too be honest i like Insua and wouldn't mind seeing more of him...
Btw that fella Spearing looks about 12!
After that Finish. No doubt
Watched the second half and Alonso contolled the game. We cannot let him go.
As regards the Barry deal, it looks like the Americans have serious concerns about the deal. Basically saying that he is over priced and there will be very little sell on value after he does 4 years at the club. Valid points IMO and Alonso seems to be fighting to stay at the club. With Gerrard, Alonso, Mas, Lucas and Plessis in the squad we have plenty of cover in the middle. We really could do with a right winger
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 08, 2008, 10:30:51 PM
[Btw that fella Spearing looks about 12!
yeah he does look like a right wee scally but of what I've seen of him in pre-season he seems pretty assured. He's got bite in the tackled, can spray the ball around, energetic and hasn't a pretty decent shot. It's just a pity he has Gerrard, Alonso, Masch, Lucas, Plessis and possibly Barry in front of him. Would like to see him go out on loan to a promotion chasing championship side like Reading to get a bit of experience
Apparently Voronin took a lot of abuse and was actually booed by some of the Anfield crowd tonight. Utter disgrace if it was true and nice to see him score and tell them to be quiet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7550766.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/7550766.stm)
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Benitez drops strong Barry hint
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has indicated that Aston Villa midfielder Gareth Barry remains a serious target.
Benitez refused to name the England midfielder but would not say that the long-running transfer saga was over.
Villa boss Martin O'Neill conceded last week that his captain might leave but reports have suggested that a proposed fee of £18m was the sticking point.
"The situation is not a question of money," said Benitez after Liverpool beat Lazio 1-0 in a friendly on Friday.
"He is English and can play three different positions, but I am talking about someone who can play on the left."
I am talking about one player, but I won't say the name
Barry, 27, can play central midfield, on the left and left-back.
Xabi Alonso had long been expected to make way for the Englishman but he now looks set to stay at Anfield.
"We have a good player (Alonso) and we have another good player coming in soon.
"We can improve the squad, so we will try to do that. We will bring in one more player if we can.
"I do not know when. But clearly we have problems on the left, Kewell has gone, Aurelio is injured and Leto cannot get a work permit.
"Babel is away in the Olympic Games. Maybe he can come back and fill that role, but I know we can improve in this area.
"Who comes in? It could be another left-sided player rather than a central midfielder.
"Maybe he can play in three different positions, that is a positive thing. I am talking about one player, but I won't say the name."
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2008, 11:50:18 PM
Apparently Voronin took a lot of abuse and was actually booed by some of the Anfield crowd tonight. Utter disgrace if it was true and nice to see him score and tell them to be quiet.
out of order. Was wondering what the finger on the lips celebration was about
Missed the friggin goal. No call for the booing.
Again he tries his best, but just lacks the quality. and a feckin hair cut would do him no harm either
Totally out of order if thats true,I can't stand booing let alone at your own player..
I didn't hear it myself as i was constantly flicking between the Golf and the match
Why would they not boo voronin? The best part of him ran down his mas leg.
Quote from: Minder on August 09, 2008, 01:50:30 AM
Why would they not boo voronin? The best part of him ran down his mas leg.
Been drinking?
It's out of order if he was booed. Fair enough that he is a bit of a joke figure among the fans but he should be backed 100% when wearing the shirt.
Think this is the reason the fans booed him lads
Andrei Voronin hits out at city of Liverpool
Apr 10 2008 by Mary Murtagh, Liverpool Echo
LIVERPOOL player Andrei Voronin has told Russian newspapers he could not understand Scouse.
The 27-year-old Ukrainian also described the UK as a cultural backwater, criticised the NHS and inferred Merseyside was crime ridden.Voronin said: "We hear police sirens all the time. Leverkusen, by contrast, was so much quieter."
Quote from: el_cuervo_fc on August 09, 2008, 09:35:20 AM
Think this is the reason the fans booed him lads
Andrei Voronin hits out at city of Liverpool
Apr 10 2008 by Mary Murtagh, Liverpool Echo
LIVERPOOL player Andrei Voronin has told Russian newspapers he could not understand Scouse.
The 27-year-old Ukrainian also described the UK as a cultural backwater, criticised the NHS and inferred Merseyside was crime ridden.Voronin said: "We hear police sirens all the time. Leverkusen, by contrast, was so much quieter."
Leverkusen is a wee town 10 mins outside Cologne FFS, there one supermarket, and feck all to do, its a town built around the Bayer factory.
Read on a paper today that the fans let Rafa know in no uncertain terms that they didn't want Barry to replace Alonso next year,According to the paper it couldn't print some of the songs they were chanting regarding the Barry situation..I for one didn't hear those chants did anyone else?
As for the Barry saga itself,I was one of the pro-Barry brigade,i really thought he could bring something to Liverpool but to be honest Alonso looks like a new player since he came back after the Euro's he certainly looks more "up for it" than i have seen from him the last two years..
Now I'm starting to agree that maybe it would be better forget about Barry and spend the money on a right or left winger
I think it was something to the effect of "you can stick Gareth Barry up your arse" or something like that.
Liverpool Football Club have today released the following press statement.
Liverpool FC Chief Executive Rick Parry said: "There has been a lot of comment today regarding our position with regards to Gareth Barry.
"This is not about questioning the Manager's judgement or the ability of a particular player. The owners have clearly demonstrated throughout the year they are willing to back Rafa in the transfer market and will continue to do so.
"It is obviously the selling club's prerogative to put whatever price they want on the player, but on this occasion Liverpool think the price quoted is too high."
What do we make of this? Rafa wants them to give him the money but the board and the owners feel it is too high? Sounds like a shot at Rafa to me and a lack of support in his judgement! Hopefully Rafa can find the money another way but I really hope he doesn't sell Alonso out of desperation to get his man!
The Gaffer must be at the end of his tether with the owners, this is the second time they have baulked at backing him in the transfer market. He has proven himself to be an obstinate man, I doubt he will change targets now, so Liverpool may have to play half the season at least with no proven cover on the left. Would not be surprised if he gets the money needed some other way - but also would not be surprised if he leaves sooner rather than later.
Would not be surprised either mentalman. Rafa knows the fans are on his side. If he leaves in the next 12 months he can point to the fact that he never felt that he had the full backing from the owners! The Klinsmann incident and now all the transfer differences. Rafa knows that the fans wont hold it against him for leaving and will blame the owners instead. however, he was sucessful at Valencia amidst similar boardroom politics. He has seen it all before and still managed to be successful. I fear though that something might eventually give.
Imo Liverpool club as a whole are looking to get out of the deal and this includes Rafa! Alonso's pre season form i think has had a big bearing on it! I think the voice of the fans could have changed a few minds also!
True about the Valencia situation, as I said he's an obstinate man, but if the right opening were to come along who knows, I still expect Schuster to get the boot at Madrid sooner rather than later too. It's a strange situation, as I think most Liverpool fans, in fact most soccer fans, think Barry is over priced. However open differences between the Manager and the owners/chief executive are not the Liverpool way, and yet again point to the breakdown in communication over the last 18 months. In the current circumstances the majority of fans will support the manager.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 09, 2008, 11:49:18 PM
Imo Liverpool club as a whole are looking to get out of the deal and this includes Rafa! Alonso's pre season form i think has had a big bearing on it! I think the voice of the fans could have changed a few minds also!
True, but with Rafa it's a case of his way or no way at all, and I can't see him taking this quietly. Hopefully I'm wrong. As I written before, I'm a big Alonso fan, mostly because I think Liverpool need to get back to pass and move and he's the man to pull the strings, but if the price of him staying were to be Rafa going it would be a high one. Also if they lose Benitez I'm not sure how long someone like Torres would stay, especially as he is so highly sought after as it is.
If we lose Benitez you may as well say another 5 years before we get close to the title again. A new man coming in trying to build his own side takes time. The Liverpool side now is the best equipped squad we have had to put up a challenge for the last 15 years. Rafa has them organised and playing well and are very difficult to play against. Transferring the knack of getting results against the top teams in Europe to against the top teams in the prem is a must! 3 home wins and 3 away draws could win the league for us this year! Start with a win at anfield on sept 13th and go from there!
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Rafa - Alonso may still leave
Reds midfielder will be sold for the right price
By Chris Burton Last updated: 9th August 2008
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has refused to rule out the possibility of selling Xabi Alonso.
The Spain international appears to have become the victim of the Reds' continued pursuit of Aston Villa midfielder Gareth Barry.
He has the full support of the Anfield faithful, though, who backed him throughout Friday's friendly against Lazio, while also displaying their opposition towards any move for Barry.
However, Benitez appears to have turned a deaf ear to the views from the terraces, admitting that a suitable offer could yet see him part with a popular member of his squad.
Price
"We knew Alonso was a very good player and as a result he had a good price (on his head). We had offers, but they were not enough so we decided he needed to stay with us," said the Spanish coach.
"It could be that he does stay with us.
"For me it is not a problem if he stays or not. He can stay, we always have felt he is a good player.
"We are only talking about a very, very good price. He is a good player, if he is not going to bring a good price then it is very simple, easy to understand.
"I heard the crowd, obviously. We know now, as we knew before, that he could stay with us."
Possibilities
Benitez needs to sell in order to fund any potential bid for Barry and admits that there are likely to be changes within the Reds camp before the new season gets underway.
"It is not positive that we may not have the players we want here before the Champions League game," he said.
"But the transfer window closes at the end of August, we will try to do our best to bring in the players to improve us by then.
"I try to do the best for my club with the possibilities that you have, I have done this every year since I have been here. And I am trying to do the same for this coming season.
"I do not feel any more pressure, every season is the same. We have a good squad, better than before, but we can improve a little bit more."
http://www.skysports.com/football/competition/0,19734,11660,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/football/competition/0,19734,11660,00.html)
Once Rafa sets his mind to something he is like a dog with a bone...
RAFA TURMOIL
Liverpool face same old enemy - themselves
UNDER PRESSURE - Kop boss Rafa Benitez
By CHRIS BASCOMBE, 10/08/2008
NOT for the first time in his Liverpool career, Rafa Benitez feels undermined, embarrassed and isolated by his board.
His summer pursuit of Gareth Barry over, Benitez has two options.
He can accept the decision and use the £18million earmarked for the Villa man to make an alternative target — David Silva — the third most expensive player in Liverpool's history.
Or, as his latest cryptic Press conference hinted, he can end the uneasy truce since 'Klinsmanngate' made Liverpool the grubbiest story in town and ensure the new campaign starts amid similar chaos.
So hurt is Benitez by what he perceives as a challenge to his leadership, even his hierarchy have no idea what he'll do or say next.
They hope Benitez will be wise enough to see, on top of the £20m spent on Robbie Keane, the kitty available would be the envy of every other Premier League manager outside Stamford Bridge.
Instead, Benitez spent part of Friday backing a move from Belfast tycoon John Miskelly to loan the club £12m for transfers.
Such a proposal was doomed. It wasn't that Hicks and Gillett couldn't meet the asking price for Barry. They just didn't want to.
The decision not to pursue Barry wasn't due to lack of funds, nor did it reflect a mistrust of Benitez's judgement in the transfer market.
Put simply, the Americans didn't think Barry was worth the money and would rather the manager invested elsewhere on the team.
The delay in enforcing that decision was bewildering — doubts about the deal were first reported in this paper two weeks ago — but the argument has validity.
The circumstances which made a deal seem attractive in May had altered.
Benitez originally said Xabi Alonso would be sold and Barry recruited at a profit.
But as the summer progressed, it became clear that would not happen and if the deal had gone through, Alonso would have gone for nothing like the £25m Benitez had hoped for. In fact, Liverpool would have made a huge loss.
Strategy
If such a strategy was applied at every football club, it's the quickest way towards bankruptcy, especially as Alonso is one of Liverpool's most popular assets inside and outside the dressing room.
At every club, a line has to be drawn. Even Bill Shankly was sometimes told to think again when he drew up a list of targets.
Any concerns Hicks and Gillett harboured about how their decision would be received were eased against Lazio when The Kop, always more sympathetic to the underdog, warmly supported Alonso.
Alonso was given the same backing Benitez received when it was he who was seeing replacements courted behind his back.
What the latest spat demonstrates is the poor working relationship between Benitez and his board was never cured. It was like trying to heal a terminal wound with a sticking plaster.
There is a dangerous philosophical split in how Liverpool should be run which is irreparable, so the club is limping along making the best of a woeful situation. In recent years, Benitez has become a bullfighter as much as manager, engaging in one public scrap after another.
His closest aides act as if they relish and invite public confrontation to try to alert the fans to disagreements, rather than resolving differences with private discussions. This is the latest example.
Hicks and Gillett, for all their flaws, were as infuriated as Martin O'Neill when the pursuit of Barry was made public.
They've begun to recognise the conflict between Benitez's approach to transfer deals — firmly rooted in the Real Madrid tradition — and the Liverpool way, which the fans crave a return to.
Misery
The situation won't be resolved until one side, or all, are finally moved on, putting themselves and the increasingly fed-up Liverpool fans out of their misery.
It would enrage the supporters if Benitez said enough was enough, but the Spanish boss is cunning enough to recognise Liverpool's ownership issue remains unresolved and he might yet see off both Hicks and Gillett, who still can't stand each other.
The Dubai International Capital interest in Liverpool is all but dead, but that of Sheikh Mohammed is not.
He's now instructed alternative Arab investment companies from his vast portfolio to make capturing a controlling interest at Anfield a priority.
It's hoped a £240m bid for a 60 per cent stake may be enough to tempt Gillett and Hicks to sell-up — with both receiving £120m and a share of future profits.
Such a deal is still some way off, however, and for now Liverpool must head into a new campaign facing the same eternal questions.
"It's hard enough trying to fight Manchester United and Chelsea without fighting each other," captain Steven Gerrard warned last May.
Once again, Liverpool's most dangerous opponents appear to be themselves
http://forums.liverpoolecho.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=48432
From Arab press
DIC ready for fresh Liverpool bid
The National Staff
Last Updated: August 09. 2008 11:37PM UAE / August 9. 2008 7:37PM GMT DUBAI // Dubai International Capital (DIC) have made it clear they still want to buy Liverpool, as the club's ownership battle threatens to flare up again over the proposed transfer of Gareth Barry.
Manager Rafa Benitez is reported to be at loggerheads with Liverpool's American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett after it emerged the duo had turned down an offer of a £12million (Dh84.6m) interest-free loan to help to buy Aston Villa midfield player Barry, 27.
Benitez had waited all week for money to be put in place to allow him to end the Barry saga before he sells any more players to fund the deal. But the US owners' failure to produce the promised short-term loan may mean the £18m transfer deal could soon be dead.
The debacle might play straight in to the hands of long-term suitors DIC who have let it be known they are still waiting in the wings with their own proposals for the club.
The investment group had a £400m offer for the Merseyside club turned down in March and a source close to DIC said: "Just because it is has been a quiet summer does not mean DIC have lost interest. They are happy that things have now become low key, and they are awaiting developments."
There is also speculation a former prospective buyer, and several rich US-based fans, are ready to help the club out of their cash problems.
Observers believe plans for the new stadium have, as yet, not included confirmed building contracts or the lease being agreed with the local council. The club's owners are also going to have to find cash soon to fund the stadium as well as re-finance the current loans.
But the delay over the Barry deal is beginning to embarrass Liverpool. As soon as it was suggested the owners were looking to borrow money to fund the deal, City sources – admittedly close to the DIC bid – insisted borrowing would be difficult in the current climate.
http://forums.liverpoolecho.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=48436
Somethings got to give here.
Quote from: Mentalman on August 10, 2008, 01:51:31 PM
Somethings got to give here.
Hopefully dum and dummer fcuk right off. And take Parry with them!
This Barry thing has been a complete fiasco. It's not the job of the owners to be telling the manager what players he should or should not be buying. The manager is given his budget and he should be free to spend it how he chooses if he believes it will improve the team. The owners are only there to sign the cheques not to query the managers judgement. They either have faith in him or not.
The whole point is surely that Liverpool do not have the money to buy Barry without selling players or borrowing more. The owners/ banks will have the final say on any more borrowing. The owners have stumped up quite a lot of cash for Rafa and apart from torres most of it has been badly spent.
Surely Hicks and Gillett have the right to put their employee Benitez in his place and tell him what's what? Same goes for the fans. Who owns the club after all?
Quote from: under the bar on August 10, 2008, 08:56:40 PM
Surely Hicks and Gillett have the right to put their employee Benitez in his place and tell him what's what? Same goes for the fans. Who owns the club after all?
Maybe, but previously David Moores didn't slap down Rafa, or Houllier or Evans, in public, this type of stuff was all discussed and agreed in private. Also I'm not sure dumb and dumber actually agree on principle, but rather agree they don't want to spend anymore money than they need too to keep the club competitive until one of Sheik Mohammed's investment vehicles moves in. As mentioned by GBB it's more typical for the owners to agree a budget with the manager which he can spend as he pleases, rather than veto who the manager should and shouldn't sign, after all what do a pair of septic tanks know about "soccer"?
Quote from: slow corner back on August 10, 2008, 07:36:44 PM
The owners have stumped up quite a lot of cash for Rafa and apart from torres most of it has been badly spent.
Yeah Mascherano, Babel, Skrtel, Lucas etc etc have all been a waste of money. What was Rafa thinking ??? ???
Liverpool have turned into a real mickey mouse club. Rafa loses the run of himself, if he had'nt shouted his big mouth off in the first place and done his business on the QT, he would'nt be embarassed as he currently is.
At the end of the day, the money is'nt there. Rafa to spit his dummy out by the end of the week
Quote from: BerfArmagh on August 11, 2008, 02:25:56 PM
Liverpool have turned into a real mickey mouse club. Rafa loses the run of himself, if he had'nt shouted his big mouth off in the first place and done his business on the QT, he would'nt be embarassed as he currently is.
At the end of the day, the money is'nt there. Rafa to spit his dummy out by the end of the week
Actually Rafa has said very little during the whole Barry saga apart from the fact that he is interested in the player after Liverpool lodged a number of offical bids which they are allowed to do. It was actually Martin O'Neill who was in the papers every second day whingeing about the whole thing because he didn't want to lose his best player.
And it's already been established that the money is there since they are now looking to spend it on a different player. What the yanks were objecting to was spending it on a 28 year old who they feel would have very little resale value in a few years and the fact that feel that he wasn't needed in the team. That's all well and good but it's not their job to tell the manager what type of player he should or should not be looking to sign. Would Ferguson would put up with it from the Glazers?
But in this case the Americans are probably right! Buying Barry for £18m does not make financial sense - unless it means we win the league, which presumably is what Benitez thinks.
I have no doubt that the fans' reaction to Alonso and Barry in the friendly v Lazio last Friday was fed back to the Yanks and that made up their minds for them. They probably think they are sure to have the fans support in this stance - and they'll find it very hard to comprehend when they don't ;D
Will Degen be a regular in the defence this season, or will he be another victim of Benitez's rotation policy ???
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 11, 2008, 08:13:39 PM
Will Degen be a regular in the defence this season, or will he be another victim of Benitez's rotation policy ???
It remains to be seen if he is better than the other options there.
Any word on the Silva deal?
According to a few sources on other boards the Silva deal is more or less a done thing, but it could be just gossip stuff. I would like to see someone like him, but I also think that Barry can offer a balance that others might not. I don't know what would be more preferable, a proven Premiership quality player who fits into the system but is somewhat limited in overall skill or a better player, who is more skillful and may come a few million cheaper.
The following article from Guillem Balague gives a decent insight. He is normally pretty close to the mark and has an ongoing relationship with the Spanish connection at Anfield. I would tend to give his word a lot of credence.
QuoteLiverpool have not given up on Barry
The Gareth Barry saga is not yet finished. I think Liverpool will have one final attempt at poaching the Aston Villa midfielder, and it is not necessarily linked to Xabi Alonso leaving Anfield.
According to some calculations within the club, Rafa Benitez has sold for a value close to £50 million; and he has spent around £28 million. That leaves something like £22 million available for further signings: without him being forced to sell Xabi. Furthermore, it looks like the club - either Rafa or, most likely, individuals on the board - seem determined not to sell the Spanish midfielder. That could be for a number of reasons: either the bids from Juve and Arsenal, who offered £12 million pounds, were considered not to be enough; or someone at Liverpool believes the player is needed in the team. Has that footballing decision been taken by the board or the manager? That is a very interesting question.
The fact of the matter is, Liverpool need to fill a big hole on the left hand side: a hole that Barry could fill.
In attack, the full backs will take charge of the wing and the players used on the left of midfield will have to use space in the centre - and Barry would excel in that role. Liverpool also need English players as, year after year, clubs will be forced to reduce the number on non-nationals.
Nobody knows if Gareth Barry will end up at Anfield, but you can be sure the manager will do his best to get him
If he is to be believed then there is a kitty of in the region of £22m. Liverpool seem to be doing to Villa what Madrid did to Liverpool over Owen. They will test Villa to see how low they can go and how much they need to sell. I think they will pick him up for £15m and Finnan. If that is the case there is about £6m left. If they were to sell Pennant and Vorinin they could pick up close to £9m. This plus the £6m would go a long way to buying Silva. But that could just be wishful thinking.
I see Liverpool have been linked to a move for an unhappy Joe Cole! Imo this would make more sense, hes a player that can play three positions aswell ;)
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 11, 2008, 10:43:27 PM
I see Liverpool have been linked to a move for an unhappy Joe Cole! Imo this would make more sense, hes a player that can play three positions aswell ;)
Where'd you hear this?
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1043689/Coles-Chelsea-future-doubt-Benitez-lies-wait.html?ITO=1490 (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1043689/Coles-Chelsea-future-doubt-Benitez-lies-wait.html?ITO=1490)
I'd be very happy to see Joe Cole come to Liverpool
Would love it myself but cant see Chelsea selling to Liverpool! :-\
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 11, 2008, 10:43:27 PM
I see Liverpool have been linked to a move for an unhappy Joe Cole! Imo this would make more sense, hes a player that can play three positions aswell ;)
It would a great move, he's a guy who hasn't shown his full potential this past year and has bags of ability and attitude, but I cannot see it happening unfotunately.
Villa are also linked to Cole. Chelsea will not sell to Liverpool. The big 4 do not exchange players at all. Liverpool could be sniffing to pressurise Villa to sort out the Barry deal.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 11, 2008, 08:13:39 PM
Will Degen be a regular in the defence this season, or will he be another victim of Benitez's rotation policy ???
I doubt it. Even from the limited bit I've seen of him, I think its pretty clear that he's not as good a defender as Arbeloa (he came with a reputation as being dodgy defensively and in the one half he played at right back, he was badly at fault once and overall didnt look great), though he's better going forward - certainly he has pace and likes to charge forward (as he proved in his first appearance for Liverpool when he played more as a right winger), not sure about his delivery from wide.
My guess is he'll be used more often as a sub than a starter. But he will start a fair few games against some of the crappy teams.
Silva's agent has come out and said that Man U made a bid for him but that he doesn't want to leave Spain.
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2008, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 11, 2008, 08:13:39 PM
Will Degen be a regular in the defence this season, or will he be another victim of Benitez's rotation policy ???
I doubt it. Even from the limited bit I've seen of him, I think its pretty clear that he's not as good a defender as Arbeloa (he came with a reputation as being dodgy defensively and in the one half he played at right back, he was badly at fault once and overall didnt look great), though he's better going forward - certainly he has pace and likes to charge forward (as he proved in his first appearance for Liverpool when he played more as a right winger), not sure about his delivery from wide.
My guess is he'll be used more often as a sub than a starter. But he will start a fair few games against some of the crappy teams.
Is that even possible?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 12, 2008, 09:26:58 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 12, 2008, 03:57:01 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 11, 2008, 08:13:39 PM
Will Degen be a regular in the defence this season, or will he be another victim of Benitez's rotation policy ???
I doubt it. Even from the limited bit I've seen of him, I think its pretty clear that he's not as good a defender as Arbeloa (he came with a reputation as being dodgy defensively and in the one half he played at right back, he was badly at fault once and overall didnt look great), though he's better going forward - certainly he has pace and likes to charge forward (as he proved in his first appearance for Liverpool when he played more as a right winger), not sure about his delivery from wide.
My guess is he'll be used more often as a sub than a starter. But he will start a fair few games against some of the crappy teams.
Is that even possible?
I doubt there's a defender that ever did as good a man marking job on Messi as Arbeloa did for Liverpool v Barca. In his pocket for both legs. Perhaps you missed the games?
Certainly last season wasn't his best with injuries and the centre back experiment back-firing. But now that he'll be settled into his best position at right back, you'll see a much improved player. If your opinion on him was anywhere near correct, he would not be in the Spanish squad.
Quote from: Hound on August 13, 2008, 07:27:33 AM
I doubt there's a defender that ever did as good a man marking job on Messi as Arbeloa did for Liverpool v Barca. In his pocket for both legs. Perhaps you missed the games?
Certainly last season wasn't his best with injuries and the centre back experiment back-firing. But now that he'll be settled into his best position at right back, you'll see a much improved player. If your opinion on him was anywhere near correct, he would not be in the Spanish squad.
And dont forget he was asked to play as left back in those games which is not his natural side. Also he had only played a handful of games for 'Pool before that. An incredible performance really. I think he's a solid enough defender and will be the regular right back in the side this year. Im delighted & relieved that the stories about him leaving have all died down.
On another note, I am completely fed up with the on-off-on-off Barry saga. Looking forward to the end of the transfer window to be honest, so the whole affair can be laid to rest one way or another.
Is it true that Barry is in the finalk year of his contract and can sign a pre-agreement in January to come to Liverpool on a free transfer?? Livepool mate in work swears it's true!
nope definitely 2 years left. even martin o'neill wouldnt be stupid enough to turn down 15m-17m or whatever it was for a player entering his last year. could get him a bit cheaper in january, cheaper again next summer and sign him for free in Jan 2010.
Tomorrow will tell a tale. If Barry plays for Villa in the UEFA Cup qualifier, he's gone as far as Liverpool are concerned, because that will cup tie him for Europe. If he doesn't play over there, I'd say he's on his way somewhere.
QuoteTomorrow will tell a tale. If Barry plays for Villa in the UEFA Cup qualifier, he's gone as far as Liverpool are concerned, because that will cup tie him for Europe. If he doesn't play over there, I'd say he's on his way somewhere.
If the starts on the bench and Villa are struggling things will get tasty.........
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 13, 2008, 09:11:56 AM
Tomorrow will tell a tale. If Barry plays for Villa in the UEFA Cup qualifier, he's gone as far as Liverpool are concerned, because that will cup tie him for Europe. If he doesn't play over there, I'd say he's on his way somewhere.
not quite as simple as that. if he plays tomorrow, then he's only cup tied for the CL group games but could play for liverpool if they proceed further than that. Maybe rafa is actually hoping that he plays tomorrow, cos then he could argue that the price should be lowered - in which case he can get his man who would be available for all PL games and also for, hopefully, the CL knockout stages.
I think this can still go on, and on, and on and on........
Will also be interesting to see if Alonso plays tonight - though I don't see how he could possibly be left out.
Finnan has been left at home despite being fully fit and available (and with Degen injured, it means the only cover for right back is Carragher). Rumour that his relationship with Benitez has completely broken down as a result of Liverpool trying to use him as a makeweight in the Barry deal.
Finnan has come out of international retirement and is back in the Ireland squad for the upcoming friendly.
Quote from: Hound on August 13, 2008, 10:14:16 AM
Finnan has been left at home despite being fully fit and available (and with Degen injured, it means the only cover for right back is Carragher). Rumour that his relationship with Benitez has completely broken down as a result of Liverpool trying to use him as a makeweight in the Barry deal.
Finnan has come out of international retirement and is back in the Ireland squad for the upcoming friendly.
From the official site
While the Reds captain looks likely to win his fitness battle, one player who won't feature is full-back Steve Finnan, who Benitez feels is still short of match practice.
"He is not on the bench and has not travelled but we have Arbeloa in that position," said the Anfield manager.
"He was injured at the beginning of pre-season and had an operation and although he is now training with the team, he is still a bit behind in fitness."
what about the team tonight lads. it nearly picks itself due to the guys injured or on olympic duty. with skrtel just coming back from injury, i dont think he'll start. should be something like this:
reina
arbeloa carra agger dossena
kuyt alonso gerrard benayoun
keane torres
I am not so sure that come Jan 2010 Barry could sign a pre contract agreement with the reds. I could be wrong maybe the rules have changed in the last couple of years however it definitely used to be the case that you could only sign such deals with clubs from other countries and would have to wait until 1st June to sign for another English club. I think it is to prevent any controversy in case the two teams involved are both chasing Europe and meet on the last day of the season in a decider. However, privately, Barry could perhaps give his word but nothing would be signed and sealed!
Quote from: stevo-08 on August 13, 2008, 10:45:42 AM
what about the team tonight lads. it nearly picks itself due to the guys injured or on olympic duty. with skrtel just coming back from injury, i dont think he'll start. should be something like this:
reina
arbeloa carra agger dossena
kuyt alonso gerrard benayoun
keane torres
I'd go with that but with a different formation.
Reina
Arbeloa Carra Agger Dossena
Alonso Gerrard
Kuyt Keane Benny
Torres
Quote from: Minus15 on August 13, 2008, 12:29:37 PM
I am not so sure that come Jan 2010 Barry could sign a pre contract agreement with the reds. I could be wrong maybe the rules have changed in the last couple of years however it definitely used to be the case that you could only sign such deals with clubs from other countries and would have to wait until 1st June to sign for another English club. I think it is to prevent any controversy in case the two teams involved are both chasing Europe and meet on the last day of the season in a decider. However, privately, Barry could perhaps give his word but nothing would be signed and sealed!
That makes sense. You're probably spot on there Minus. Although i sincerely hope this is all sorted out this summer or January at the latest and we're not still talking about signing Barry in 2 years time ::)
QuoteBABEL HEADING FOR MASCH SHOWDOWN
Ryan Babel is likely to face clubmate Javier Mascherano in the quarter-finals of the Olympic Games after helping Holland to a 1-0 victory over Japan this morning.
Babel played 90 minutes as the Dutch qualified from Group B, meaning he'll now go head to head with his Liverpool colleague so long as Argentina avoid defeat against Serbia this lunchtime.
Meanwhile, Lucas Leiva is set to face China at 12.45pm BST. Brazil have already qualified for the quarter-finals.
At least one of them will be back early!
Is the game tonight on live on TV at all?
I agree that no matter what happens in the UEFA Cup with Villa Barry will join before the week is out. I also agree that if he plays it can drive the price down a few million. They should be able to qualify from the group stages without him. It may work out better as the Oct/Nov months have been fateful to Liverpool's season over recent years and if he was fresh for those games it would take pressure off the likes of Gerrard, Masch and Alonso. Play the fecker MON is what I say!
shes on ITV at 8pm, KO 8-05pm
PQ
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 13, 2008, 01:39:11 PM
Is the game tonight on live on TV at all?
Its on ITV not sure about rte
Quote from: gawa316 on August 13, 2008, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 13, 2008, 10:14:16 AM
Finnan has been left at home despite being fully fit and available (and with Degen injured, it means the only cover for right back is Carragher). Rumour that his relationship with Benitez has completely broken down as a result of Liverpool trying to use him as a makeweight in the Barry deal.
Finnan has come out of international retirement and is back in the Ireland squad for the upcoming friendly.
From the official site
While the Reds captain looks likely to win his fitness battle, one player who won't feature is full-back Steve Finnan, who Benitez feels is still short of match practice.
"He is not on the bench and has not travelled but we have Arbeloa in that position," said the Anfield manager.
"He was injured at the beginning of pre-season and had an operation and although he is now training with the team, he is still a bit behind in fitness."
Of course he is short of match practice,He brought him on against Villareal and took him off again 15mins later ::)
Yeah, Rafa out!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 02:27:32 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on August 13, 2008, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 13, 2008, 10:14:16 AM
Finnan has been left at home despite being fully fit and available (and with Degen injured, it means the only cover for right back is Carragher). Rumour that his relationship with Benitez has completely broken down as a result of Liverpool trying to use him as a makeweight in the Barry deal.
Finnan has come out of international retirement and is back in the Ireland squad for the upcoming friendly.
From the official site
While the Reds captain looks likely to win his fitness battle, one player who won't feature is full-back Steve Finnan, who Benitez feels is still short of match practice.
"He is not on the bench and has not travelled but we have Arbeloa in that position," said the Anfield manager.
"He was injured at the beginning of pre-season and had an operation and although he is now training with the team, he is still a bit behind in fitness."
Of course he is short of match practice,He brought him on against Villareal and took him off again 15mins later ::)
In fairness to Rafa, I think he means 'physical fitness' as opposed to match practice. Maybe he's puffing along at the back of the pack doing the 50 laps :D
Quote"He was injured at the beginning of pre-season and had an operation and although he is now training with the team, he is still a bit behind in fitness."
what he meant was - he's shite - and Arbeloa is 20 times better than him
Id say thats pretty accurate.
I'd say it's quite humerous
Laoislad, I don't understand your hatred of Arbeloa. He has been consistenly steady since arriving and you must admit your being very harsh on him.
Quote from: corn02 on August 13, 2008, 03:15:43 PM
Laoislad, I don't understand your hatred of Arbeloa. He has been consistenly steady since arriving and you must admit your being very harsh on him.
No
From that answer I can only assume that you know you are in the wrong and will not admit it.
I don't agree that Arbeloa is rubbish. I like him but I just think hes not really solid. He turns his back on the cross a lot rather than getting the tackle in and his distribution isn't great. I would like Finnan better as a player but Rafa seems to have had a lack of faith in him over the past 12 months. Maybe he knows something we dont but a fit Finnan is a far more reliable than Arbeloa in my opinion
Quote from: Minus15 on August 13, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
I don't agree that Arbeloa is rubbish. I like him but I just think hes not really solid. He turns his back on the cross a lot rather than getting the tackle in and his distribution isn't great. I would like Finnan better as a player but Rafa seems to have had a lack of faith in him over the past 12 months. Maybe he knows something we dont but a fit Finnan is a far more reliable than Arbeloa in my opinion
Spot on.
Arbeloa should be back up, but to who? I dont know if Degen is the answer
Said it before, I don't know how he was anywhere near the Spanish squad for the Euros. Nothing personal, he just seems dead ordinary to me, and one performance against Barca isn't enough. I am definitely open to having my mind changed though. It looks like the right back slot is his for this season, let's see how he gets on - I hope he proves me wrong.
Quote from: corn02 on August 13, 2008, 03:30:51 PM
From that answer I can only assume that you know you are in the wrong and will not admit it.
Think what ya like i couldn't give two fucks :D
Quote from: Minus15 on August 13, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
I don't agree that Arbeloa is rubbish. I like him but I just think hes not really solid. He turns his back on the cross a lot rather than getting the tackle in and his distribution isn't great. I would like Finnan better as a player but Rafa seems to have had a lack of faith in him over the past 12 months. Maybe he knows something we dont but a fit Finnan is a far more reliable than Arbeloa in my opinion
Quote from: Mentalman on August 13, 2008, 04:22:58 PM
Said it before, I don't know how he was anywhere near the Spanish squad for the Euros. Nothing personal, he just seems dead ordinary to me, and one performance against Barca isn't enough. I am definitely open to having my mind changed though. It looks like the right back slot is his for this season, let's see how he gets on - I hope he proves me wrong.
Agree 100% with both above posters...I sincerely hope he proves me wrong I am a Liverpool fan after all and he is a Liverpool player,If he scored the winner against United this year I'd be just as happy as if Torres or Keane scored it,I also had hoped Vororin would prove me wrong...and look how that turned out ::)
The Liverpool team in full:
Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Agger, Alonso, Plessis, Benayoun, Kuyt, Keane, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Hyypia, Gerrard, Voronin, Insua, El Zhar, Pennant.
How the f**k did that stay out :o
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2008, 03:02:34 PM
Quote"He was injured at the beginning of pre-season and had an operation and although he is now training with the team, he is still a bit behind in fitness."
what he meant was - he's shite - and Arbeloa is 20 times better than him
What pisses me off about that Gab, is Finnan has been one of Liverpool's most consisdent defenders in the last 4 years,To call him shite is dis respectfull imho and i would say your the only Liverpool fan that would say as such,Arbeola has a long way to go to be anywhere near the great servant for Liverpool that Finnan has
Penalty....................
REINA SAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such a penalty.
Very unimpressive so far from Liverpool but it's pre-season really so they're bound to look rusty.
One thing's for sure though, Arbeloa will be cursed from a height on here before the season's out.
I wonder if Finnan wasn't playing for Ireland if you'd say the same thing ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
I wonder if Finnan wasn't playing for Ireland if you'd say the same thing ::)
WTF has this got to do with Ireland ???
You really are letting yourself down big time on this one Gab,I thought better of you to be honest..
How you can't admit Finnan has been a outstanding servant to Liverpool over the time he has been there is beyond me to be honest..
Sure he has lost a yard of pace now and so on but to kick him to the gutter the way you are and not recognise the player he was for Liverpool is just plain silly..
And even at that i can guarantee he would still do a job for Liverpool if called upon
A truly awful first half from Liverpool,Should/could be two down
Shocking half from Liverpool - who are they hitting those long balls to - Crouchie gone.....
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 13, 2008, 08:20:40 PM
Such a penalty.
Very unimpressive so far from Liverpool but it's pre-season really so they're bound to look rusty.
One thing's for sure though, Arbeloa will be cursed from a height on here before the season's out.
Far from pre-season Exiled this is Champions League football,the rust should be well gone by now
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
I wonder if Finnan wasn't playing for Ireland if you'd say the same thing ::)
WTF has this got to do with Ireland ???
You really are letting yourself down big time on this one Gab,I thought better of you to be honest..
How you can't admit Finnan has been a outstanding servant to Liverpool over the time he has been there is beyond me to be honest..
Sure he has lost a yard of pace now and so on but to kick him to the gutter the way you are and not recognise the player he was for Liverpool is just plain silly..
And even at that i can guarantee he would still do a job for Liverpool if called upon
I'd agree with you there that Gab has underestimated Finnan's contribution in the last 4/5 years but then I think you have done the same regarding Arbeloa, no way is he as bad as you seem to think.
Regarding the match, feckin awful. Alonso seems to be back to his form of the last year, after an excellent preseason. Could
probably definitely go through the whole team and slate them (bar Reina) on that 45 min performance but I'll hold back and see what happens
Quote from: gawa316 on August 13, 2008, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
I wonder if Finnan wasn't playing for Ireland if you'd say the same thing ::)
WTF has this got to do with Ireland ???
You really are letting yourself down big time on this one Gab,I thought better of you to be honest..
How you can't admit Finnan has been a outstanding servant to Liverpool over the time he has been there is beyond me to be honest..
Sure he has lost a yard of pace now and so on but to kick him to the gutter the way you are and not recognise the player he was for Liverpool is just plain silly..
And even at that i can guarantee he would still do a job for Liverpool if called upon
I'd agree with you there that Gab has underestimated Finnan's contribution in the last 4/5 years but then I think you have done the same regarding Arbeloa, no way is he as bad as you seem to think.
Maybe not but he has a lot too prove and if he does prove it then i will take back everything i said,
Finnan has proved it time and time again..thats the difference
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 09:17:13 PM
Maybe not but he has a lot too prove and if he does prove it then i will take back everything i said,
Finnan has proved it time and time again..thats the difference
Leaving Finnan out of it as his contribution shouldn't even be questioned, but arbeloa has done nothing to receive the criticism you aim at him. It's not as if he is Traore.
BTW Robbie Earl is a penis
Quote from: gawa316 on August 13, 2008, 09:32:22 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 09:17:13 PM
Maybe not but he has a lot too prove and if he does prove it then i will take back everything i said,
Finnan has proved it time and time again..thats the difference
Leaving Finnan out of it as his contribution shouldn't even be questioned, but arbeloa has done nothing to receive the criticism you aim at him. It's not as if he is Traore.
BTW Robbie Earl is a penis
Well Gab keeps harping on and on about his performance in the Nou Camp a few years ago...I agree he had a good game in that,even though that was his first game for Liverpool which luckily for him was in Spain against Spanish opposition which he was more than use to playing against as he had just come from the Spainish league
You say Arbeola has done nothing to receive the criticism,Fair enough you tell me what he has done to receive the praise..
He reminds me of Kromkamp,Josemi etc..IMHO he is not a world class defender as Gab believes and he will be found out..
If i'm proved to be wrong and he has a unbelievable season i will hold my hands up
And don't slag Traore!! He has a Champions League medal :o
I have no opinion on Robbie Earle or his penis but Craig Doyle is a annoying hewer
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
You say Arbeola has done nothing to receive the criticism,Fair enough you tell me what he has done to receive the praise..
He reminds me of Kromkamp,Josemi etc..IMHO he is not a world class defender as Gab believes and he will be found out..
I don't think he has had stand out moments that he should haved received praise for (apart from against barca) but just because he doesn't deserve praise doesn't mean he is shit. I don't think he is world class (as you state Gab think he is) and I also don't think he is awful, which you do. I think he is a good defender who can do a job for us
Quote from: gawa316 on August 13, 2008, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
You say Arbeola has done nothing to receive the criticism,Fair enough you tell me what he has done to receive the praise..
He reminds me of Kromkamp,Josemi etc..IMHO he is not a world class defender as Gab believes and he will be found out..
I don't think he has had stand out moments that he should haved received praise for (apart from against barca) but just because he doesn't deserve praise doesn't mean he is shit. I don't think he is world class (as you state Gab think he is) and I also don't think he is awful, which you do. I think he is a good defender who can do a job for us
Ah get off the fence :D
Very lucky tonight,Really should have lost
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
Well Gab keeps harping on and on about his performance in the Nou Camp a few years ago...I agree he had a good game in that,even though that was his first game for Liverpool which luckily for him was in Spain against Spanish opposition which he was more than use to playing against as he had just come from the Spainish league
You say Arbeola has done nothing to receive the criticism,Fair enough you tell me what he has done to receive the praise..
He reminds me of Kromkamp,Josemi etc..IMHO he is not a world class defender as Gab believes and he will be found out..
If i'm proved to be wrong and he has a unbelievable season i will hold my hands up
And don't slag Traore!! He has a Champions League medal :o
I have no opinion on Robbie Earle or his penis but Craig Doyle is a annoying hewer
I think you are being too harsh laoislad. He cost us 2.5m so can hardly expect him to be world class. And he's only 25 so still quite young. But to write him off after a season and a half is a bit much. He's a solid enough defender, nothing more & nothing less. Nowhere near the class of cole, evra, clichy, sagna etc. But we'll need to spend heavily before getting a player of that calibre. Having spent 7m on dossena we should have high expectations of him & we'll have the right to be very crititical if he doesnt perform. Arbeloa will do an ok job and I dont expect him to get "found out" anytime soon. In fact, I think he'll only get better.
I am taking LL side on this one. Finnan has done alot for Liverpool over the years and i would prefer him yet to Arbeloa!
As for tonights game, not very impressive! Liverpool seemed to treat it as a pre season game. Bar Reina the rest of the team was very poor. Keane going to have to get himself sorted soon aswell.
A hard game tonight but we will have enough at home (famous last words!!)
A game like that would have been good prep for the game on Saturday. Better than any pre-season friendly anyway.
Quote from: stevo-08 on August 13, 2008, 10:08:23 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 09:39:48 PM
Well Gab keeps harping on and on about his performance in the Nou Camp a few years ago...I agree he had a good game in that,even though that was his first game for Liverpool which luckily for him was in Spain against Spanish opposition which he was more than use to playing against as he had just come from the Spainish league
You say Arbeola has done nothing to receive the criticism,Fair enough you tell me what he has done to receive the praise..
He reminds me of Kromkamp,Josemi etc..IMHO he is not a world class defender as Gab believes and he will be found out..
If i'm proved to be wrong and he has a unbelievable season i will hold my hands up
And don't slag Traore!! He has a Champions League medal :o
I have no opinion on Robbie Earle or his penis but Craig Doyle is a annoying hewer
I think you are being too harsh laoislad. He cost us 2.5m so can hardly expect him to be world class. And he's only 25 so still quite young. But to write him off after a season and a half is a bit much. He's a solid enough defender, nothing more & nothing less. Nowhere near the class of cole, evra, clichy, sagna etc. But we'll need to spend heavily before getting a player of that calibre. Having spent 7m on dossena we should have high expectations of him & we'll have the right to be very crititical if he doesnt perform. Arbeloa will do an ok job and I dont expect him to get "found out" anytime soon. In fact, I think he'll only get better.
I hope your right,though i somehow doubt it..As i said I will hold my hands up if he proves anyway decent..
If he turns out to be the world class defender Gab thinks he is I will run naked down Anfield Road with "I LUV Arbeola" tattooed across my big hairy arse
not a great performance 2nite, it can only get better!! team were very lacklustre
great to see agger back, he'll be needed this year
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 10:13:01 PMI hope your right,though i somehow doubt it..As i said I will hold my hands up if he proves anyway decent..
If he turns out to be the world class defender Gab thinks he is I will run naked down Anfield Road with "I LUV Arbeola" tattooed across my big hairy arse
When did I ever claim Arbeloa was a "world class defender"?
Brutal stuff tonight. Fingers out of arseholes is needed very soon.
No more excuses from Rafa!
Jasus lads what about that. I'm just becoming like a broken record but what's wrong with passing the ball to a player in the same shirt as yourself? Liverpool were under the cosh for long periods of the first half. At one point they got the ball down and started passing. Now in fairness it was all neat triangles between defense and midfield, going nowhere. The Liege crowd get on their back, so what do they do? Dossena hoofs an aimless ball up in Benyoun's direction. The correct thing to do was to hold the ball, hold the ball, hold the ball - pass, pass, pass. Let Liege run around like maniacs after the ball. Be patient. Piss off their fans. I just can't grasp it at all. How come when the the fulbacks get the ball there only seems to be two things in their mind (1) pass it back to the centre half (2) hoof it up front to possibly the smallest, least physical front line Liverpool have had for years? Why not pass to either deep midfielder, who should be facing them looking for the ball. After all Alonso is one of the best passers of a ball in the game, let him pick the passes. I don't want to slate individual players, as it's literally the start of the season, but I see the same system we've watched for too long now. To give credit Liege were so up for that game, and with so many young players, I can't see them holding on to some of them for too long. In the second half the Liverpool fullbacks got forward on a couple of occasions, but the crosses were poor. Reina absolutely saved them tonight. Great to see Agger continuing on the comeback trail, got forward once or twice with the ball, which the team has missed. Carra was outmuscled a bit, and couldn't compete in the air. Plessis can be happy with his contribution for a young man, not sure if he has a long term future, to early to say. Dossena started out badly, let's hope it's just nerves. Arbeloa was Arbeloa ;) Alonso looked pretty assured but that was some tackle that earned him the yellow! Gerrard looked sharp in his few minutes. Benyoun was in and out of the match. Kuyt is not a right sided midfielder and that tall fullback beat him all ends up in the air, taking away one of Benitez's little tactics. Torres was kicked from beginning to end, I think he better get used to it. Keane was trying a bit too much. As someone said a few pages back, the sooner he scores the better, otherwise we'll just have to get him his own ball, he'll be trying so many tricks. Serious improvement needed for Sunderland or it will be anther poor start to the league. Credit to Liege, they marshalled the reds well, and should have won.
Jayzuz how did Liverpool escape with a draw? Should have been 2 or 3 nil. Jammy barstewards!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 13, 2008, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 13, 2008, 10:13:01 PMI hope your right,though i somehow doubt it..As i said I will hold my hands up if he proves anyway decent..
If he turns out to be the world class defender Gab thinks he is I will run naked down Anfield Road with "I LUV Arbeola" tattooed across my big hairy arse
When did I ever claim Arbeloa was a "world class defender"?
Fair enough you might not have said "world class" but you did say this...Which i find just as amusing
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 10, 2008, 04:30:58 PM
Arbeloa is a tremendous right-back
So i retract my earlier promise and i change it to..If Arbeloa becomes a tremendous right-back i will run naked down Anfield Rd with "I LUV Arbeloa" tattooed on me hairy arse
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on August 13, 2008, 10:10:16 PM
I am taking LL side on this one. Finnan has done alot for Liverpool over the years and i would prefer him yet to Arbeloa!
As for tonights game, not very impressive! Liverpool seemed to treat it as a pre season game. Bar Reina the rest of the team was very poor. Keane going to have to get himself sorted soon aswell.
That man talks sense ;)
QuoteKeane going to have to get himself sorted soon aswell.
The price tag is affecting him already. Wait til the kop start getting on his back.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 13, 2008, 10:38:30 PM
QuoteKeane going to have to get himself sorted soon aswell.
The price tag is affecting him already. Wait til the kop start getting on his back.
Liverpool fans generally don't get on the back of their own players. Unlike some of the prawn sandwich munchers elsewhere.
Peter Crouch didn't score until about his 17th or 18th game for the club but the crowd never got on his back about it.
But its not even about scoring, he doesnt seem to know what position he is being expected to play! Game seems to pass him by, it was the same in the few pre season games i have seen. And then maybe that could be down to the coach :-\ Hopefully things will get better come Saturday. Sunderland get any more Irish lads recently?
QuoteLiverpool fans generally don't get on the back of their own players. Unlike some of the prawn sandwich munchers elsewhere.
Probably cos they've become so accustomed to 2nd rate players at Anfield...... ;)
First things first, a poor performance but a clean sheet. Several players involved who were making their debuts in Europe so things should not b expected to gel.
Secondly, the Belgians had so much to play for. They had nothign to lose as they were against one of the "super" teams and just had a lash. This is a very hard atmosphere for a team to play against when it is their first competetive game of the season.
To keep a clean sheet, albeit a lucky one, is a good result.
As for Keane getting his finger out, would yez ever catch a grip. The lad has been in Anfield a wet week and he is criticised already. I would not be worried about his performances till November.
The bigger game of the week is Saturday and getting a win in the first league game.
Liverpool will not win anything if they persist is using players like Kuyt and Benyaoun (sp) in wide areas. These are not wide players and don't have the pace to beat defenders. Everyhting was so narrow last night with no width and the belgians know all they had to do was play deep deny Torres space and double team him every time the ball came to him.
Liverpool really need some wide players before the transfer window closes.
Pure Rubbish. Liverpool should at least be 2 nil down. They play the poorest and most unpleasing to watch football of any of the top 6 english teams. Wimbledon FC would'nt have a look in. I am wetting myself alughing everyday the fact that Liverpool fans think robbie keane is the missing link to provide them the premiership. Wake up, hes an ok player, whom you have paid far too much for. At the EOTD only Torres & Gerard would make it into a united 11. Roll on september
Reina, Carragher, Macsh, Gerrard and Torres.
Quote from: supersarsfields on August 14, 2008, 11:18:04 AM
Reina, Carragher, Macsh, Gerrard and Torres.
minus carragher
Well he's debatable. I'll agree on that. And I'm not expecting as much of him this year to be honest as I think he's lost a bit of pace.
Alonso on current form could contest with Carrick Hargreaves etc aswell.
But it's a bit early for these kinds of comparisons.
On the game last nite it was actually painful to watch. No fluency in the pass and players just looked like they wanted rid of the ball rather than trying to stamp their authority on the game. Fair play to Leige as they harried and harrassed Liverpool well. But we should be good enough to pass the ball around their men.
There will have to be a big improvement for the start of the league.
Christonabike, what a performance! Blessed to get away with it. And this tie is certainly not going to be a formality in Anfield. Standard Liege played really well, tactically very good (let our defenders have as much of the ball as they wanted but that meant they had our midfield totally covered and so the lads at the back just lumped it up to "Crouchie" ;D ) and while they didnt find the net, I think its pretty clear there are goals in them.
Dossena's first half was the worst competitive debut I can remember from an LFC player. Well certainly in the Benitez era - I'm sure there were a few in the Houllier days (Nunez,Cheyrou etc) that I've chosen to forget! In fairness Dossena did improve a bit in the 2nd half.
Keane played exactly as he has done in the friendlies. He just can't seem to get into games. Hasn't been bad particulalrly, just hasn't been an influence.
Most worrying was how "all over the shop" we were defending crosses. Not sure who was to blame, but certainly none of Carra, Agger or Reina were dominant.
You'd think Gerrard for Plessis would be the obvious change for Sunderland, but I dunno if Rafa is prepared to play without a destroyer. I think Keane could be in danger of being dropped. If he was insistent on keeping Plessis, I'd like to see what Keane would be like in Kuyt's role. When he was bought Rafa did say he could play that role - though he didnt get a run in that position in any of the friendlies so perhaps its unlikely.
Ok last night wasn't good but it was a tricky away tie and we got a 0-0. I fancy us to beat them convinvingly at Anfield. We just seemed to lack in creativity last night and Standard didn't allow our midfield and forwards any time on the ball. I think you can sure that in two weeks time Rafa will have done his homework and worked out how to exploit them. The Liverpool team last night was missing a few key players but the worry is that we can expect more or less the same for saturday. I would have liked to have seen Benayoun and Kuyt switched as Kuyt gives you the same on either wing and Benayoun on the left is just intent on cutting inside. Maybe he could have given Dante a bit of trouble out there. But as someone else said that was a massive game for Liege and was our first competitive outing with players making their debuts for the club.
Hound it was indeed an inauspicious debut for Dossena. When the pass through midfield wasn't on his immediate reaction was to thump it down the wing for Keane or Torres. However, it is early days and it is too early to judge him. From what I have seen so far he can be effective going forward but he lacks the neccessary aerial ability to compete in the Premier League and I feel that he could be targeted with diagonal balls by many teams in the division. But even when he was signed I expected Aurelio to be first choice for the big games and Dossena used against teams at home who come to defend. But he has time and could prove to be a good signing once he settles. But the 7million he cost will probably put him under more pressure to perform. Oh and Nunez was a Benitez signing!
The fact that El Zhar came on before Pennant I think just shows that he could be on his way. Any games Pennant played in pre season he looked disinterested anyway so maybe it is for the best. I would actually start El Zhar against Sunderland. You need to have one winger on the field or else everything will become too narrow.
Reina
Arbeloa Carragher Agger Dossena
Alonso Gerrard
El Zhar Benayoun
Keane
Torres
Quote from: Minus15 on August 14, 2008, 01:09:55 PM
Reina
Arbeloa Carragher Agger Aurelio
Alonso Gerrard
El Zhar Benayoun
Keane
Torres
Much as it pain me to say it, that is not good side
According to Sky sports news there now, Barry is in the Villa starting line for tonight.
Is that the end of that then??
Villa winning 1-0. yes its Gareth Barry after 4 mins.
Dont think Liverpool's pursuit of Barry is over just because hes playing tonight. I expect it to go on right up until the end of the window!
100% of the shots you don't take don't go in.
Wayne Gretzky
So FermGael what percentage of shots that Fermanagh do take actually go in?
QuoteDont think Liverpool's pursuit of Barry is over just because hes playing tonight.
Looks like Barry has opted to stay with a team that's sure to be in Europe in 2 weeks time..
Quote from: Minus15 on August 14, 2008, 07:51:01 PM
100% of the shots you don't take don't go in.
Wayne Gretzky
So FermGael what percentage of shots that Fermanagh do take actually go in?
If only we playing the Down defence every week , we could really improve that percentage. I would say we might even hit 50% ;)
Quote from: FermGael on August 14, 2008, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 14, 2008, 07:51:01 PM
100% of the shots you don't take don't go in.
Wayne Gretzky
So FermGael what percentage of shots that Fermanagh do take actually go in?
If only we playing the Down defence every week , we could really improve that percentage. I would say we might even hit 50% ;)
Heard this one the other day
Why do all the fermanagh players have girls bikes?
Cause they can't get their balls over the bar...boom boom!
heard that one all ready.
I have heard worse this last 2 weeks
Days of destiny on Anfield horizon
Aug 15 2008 by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo
AS the Reds travel to Sunderland for tomorrow's season opener, Liverpool writer Tony Barrett takes a close look at their chances of mounting a title challenge, and examines the key issues off the pitch as well as on it which must yet be overcome.
AT the start of every season, football fans up and down the country check their fixture lists for the most important dates of the coming season.
For Liverpool supporters this has usually meant looking out for games against Everton and Man United and whichever club has assumed rival status over the previous 12 months.
But as important as meetings with David Moyes' and Alex Ferguson's men undoubtedly are, it is arguable the most important dates for Liverpool in the 2008/09 season have nothing at all to do with what is happening on the pitch.
The most significant of all is January 31, the deadline by which Tom Hicks and George Gillett must refinance the loans taken out in the £350m refinancing package they secured earlier this year. That's in the highly unlikely event of the pair having put their massive differences behind them for the good of the club and come to a working arrangement by then.
The second comes in "late October/early November, the time by which Hicks vowed to see work begin on the construction of Liverpool's new ground in Stanley Park, after the initial commitment to see "a spade in the ground" within 60 days of takeover was consigned to the dustbin of history.
Throw in the opening of the new transfer window on January 1 – a time when Rafa Benitez must attempt to prove to the board that the players he is pursuing provide the kind of value they are looking for – and Liverpool's season is already set up to have the same level of political intrigue as the last.
In the campaign which finished in May, Liverpool's propensity for self harm was enough to make Max Mosley flinch, with endemic in-fighting threatening to rip the club apart and causing untold damage.
Sadly and unforgivably, the potential remains for similar to happen this season. The cracks which have emerged since Hicks and Gillett took control are still to be sealed and, if anything, they are actually worsening.
The two Americans only resumed communications recently and that was only to refuse Benitez permission to sign Gareth Barry for £18m.
The relationship between Hicks and chief executive Rick Parry remains fraught. Parry himself has had few dealings with recently appointed commercial director Ian Ayre.
While all this is going on in the background, Benitez has to somehow manage a football team – and do so without any sort of coherent strategy or lucid communications being established by those in the boardroom.
That is why the deal to sign Barry broke down so spectacularly last week, although at least then there was some consensus between those who hold the purse strings and those who do the paperwork.
Benitez saw the Aston Villa man as a vital signing, believing £18m was not too high a price to pay given Barry is ahead of Man United duo Owen Hargreaves and Michael Carrick in the England pecking order and they were both bought for a similar fee.
Unfortunately, Hicks, Gillett and Parry felt £18m was too much for a player who will be 31 when the four year contract he was to be offered would have expired and the plug was duly pulled.
What Hicks and Gillett's expertise is on the vagaries of the English transfer market is difficult to establish given the fact that they have seen hardly any Premiership football, let alone seen Barry play.
But, rightly or wrongly, the decision was taken and Benitez now has to ensure he is not deflected from the path towards building a title challenging squad by any disappointment, however understandable it would be, or any lingering resentment.
The man who famously walked out on Valencia for being offered a lampshade when he'd asked for a table has a responsibility to the squad he has put together not to be distracted by the kind of politicking which made last season such a sorry affair.
Should the Reds boss manage to steer clear of boardroom bickering then Liverpool's chances of entering the title race will be boosted immeasurably.
There is no doubt the current squad is the strongest Anfield has seen for quite some time, even if there are still shortcomings in certain areas.
The spine of the team is good enough to hold its own against any other in the Premiership and the addition of £20m man Robbie Keane will make it the best around should the Irishman prove a hit.
The likes of Pepe Reina, Jamie Carragher, Daniel Agger, Martin Sktrel, Sami Hyypia, Javier Mascherano, Xabi Alonso, Steven Gerrard, Keane and Fenrnado Torres inspire great confidence and, in the eyes of more positive fans, maybe even a belief that this could finally be Liverpool's year after a wait dating back to 1990.
The questions about the flanks that have existed throughout Benitez's reign are still to be answered however and it remains to be seen whether or not summer signings Andrea Dossena and Philipp Degen will provide the kind of kind of quality needed at full back if a title challenge is to be anything more than a forlorn hope.
Ryan Babel must also show that he can fulfil the potential he showed last season and Dirk Kuyt must prove his shift from central striker to wide midfield can be as successful in the Premiership as it has been in the Champions League.
Significantly, Reina at last seems to have some decent back-up and if Diego Cavalieri's pre-season performances are anything to go by Charles Itandje will be forgotten..
Equally importantly, much of the deadwood has been cleared out with John Arne Riise taking his unused right boot to Rome and Harry Kewell now on Galatasaray's treatment table.
So a couple of problems have been solved but there are others which still need fixing, particularly the defending at set pieces which cost Liverpool far too many goals last term.
But such tactical issues are rendered almost trivial in comparison to the boardroom goings on which could totally undermine Liverpool's season once again unless resolutions – or, better still a revolution – are put into action.
Depending on which camp you listen to, Hicks is about to buy Gillett out, Gillett is about to buy Hicks out, or Dubai are about to buy out both.
Money and profits are the bottom line for all concerned and that means progress will be slow and painstaking and there will be plenty of ups and downs, not to mention rumour and speculation, before a deal is finally done which will put the ongoing ownership battle to bed.
It is somewhat optimistically hoped that all involved will put the club first because a return to last season's open warfare would be too much to endure.
Winning the title may prove just beyond Liverpool but they do have a chance of going close and their hopes will not be helped if the fissures in the boardroom open up again.
Benitez makes no secret of his belief that Liverpool need to be "perfect" to compete with United and Chelsea at the top of the league. That philosophy must be embraced by everyone at the club or another season of shadow chasing awaits.
Should it be, then the dates on the fixture list will assume the level of importance they deserve.
tonybarrett@liverpoolecho.co.uk
Big game tomorrow - I'll happily take a 0-1 win, first year was an opening day win and it had been a while before that since we had one. Sooner Robbie Keane gets a goal the better, don't want another Crocuh 18 game dry run.
Good to see fan power still has some influence. Carlsberg had announced a free pint offer with the sun over the bank holiday weekend in the UK. As everyone knows the Sun is despised by LFC and the fans (rightly so) and the website forums immediately started to contact LFC and Carlsberg about same.
Today, Carslberg have pulled the promotion and Rick Parry had taken it to the highest level with the Danes yesterday.
John Aldridge: Anfield class acts will soon come good
Aug 16 2008 by John Aldridge, Liverpool Echo
A BALL hasn't been kicked in anger on the domestic scene yet - but already there are one or two little whispers in corners as to whether Robbie Keane actually can hit it off with Fernando Torres after all.
Well I for one am not worried for a single minute.
They are both world class footballers in my view. And just because they haven't set things alight in pre-season - or on Wednesday night out in Belgium - doesn't mean anyone should start having premature doubts.
Sometimes footballing partnerships can happen instantly when two players just immediately gel. In other cases it takes a little time to develop a real understanding of each other's game.
These are such early days that it could happen either way for Robbie and Nando. But happen it will, I am certain.
I think I've an idea how Robbie might be feeling just now.
I was a lifelong Liverpool fan who got the dream chance to pull on the red shirt and play for the club I loved. Robbie is just the same.
There are probably all kinds of things going on in his head now that he's actually pulling on the red shirt. But the most important thing for Robbie to remember is that he will get plenty of time, support and patience from the Liverpool fans to live up to his own high standards.
Undoubtely what will be key to the Keane/Torres strikeforce flourishing this season will be good service and support from the flanks, and that's where we may still have to sort out one or two things.
Equally when Steven Gerrard is coming through the middle to link up with them - well the potential there is now explosive.
Robbie Keane will be a great player for Liverpool, I'm sure.
And I'm equally sure we'll soon see why Rafa Benitez and so many supporters have always felt he'd be an ideal foil up front with Torres.
Barry is worth the wait
IT seems the Gareth Barry will he/won't he saga just isn't going away.
As tedious and drawn out as it is, if he does eventually arrive at Anfield I believe he will have been worth waiting for.
In the late 80s John Barnes' left foot was so crucial to the balance of the side we had under Kenny Dalglish.
I know Gareth is a very different sort of player to Barnsey, but he's got a great left foot and I firmly believe he would have a big impact in helping the structure of the team. I still hope we can yet get him where he clearly wants to be. At Anfield.
Reds must be ready for a physical battle
KNOWING Roy Keane, he'll have taken heart from the way Standard Liege knocked the lads out of their stride on Wednesday.
I know Sunderland haven't enjoyed much success against us over the years but he'll have sensed the best way to change that is to get right into our faces at the Stadium of Light tonight.
But I'm sure Rafa Benitez will have sensed that for himself and warned the lads to be ready for the physical battle today as much as anything.
The centre of midfield is crucial when it's like that and I'd opt for Steven Gerrard and Xabi Alonso as the pair in the centre of the park.
Hopefully Stevie is over his niggles because we saw again on Wednesday when he came on just how important he is to the side.
If we can get the three points today it will tee us up nicely for the first game at Anfield against Boro.
They are both games we're expected to win and if we can get six points, we can begin to look forward to our next visitors - Manchester United.
team to face sunderland:
Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Hyypia, Benayoun, Kuyt, Gerrard, Plessis, Torres, Keane.
I know alonso is out with a dead leg but why the f**k isnt agger starting. Has sami played much pre-season?? Im worried....
live streaming aparently
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast......art=sports
much the same as wed night so far. no creativity or width on the field. Succession of corners but nothing from them. possibly could have had a penalty
This is incredibly boring,
Watched a bit of it there. Awful stuff, but we knew it would be.
Torres 83 mins
f**k me, that was some finish out of nothing! :o ;D
Better second half by Liverpool. Just about deserve it if they hold on. Much improving to do though.
Decent second half, Alonso a touch of class - for those who didn't see it, watch out for his shot on MOTD.
Torres is just class.
You gotta be delighted with the 1-0 but that was getting so frustrating. I don't know how Kuyt managed to complete the 90 mins. That game should show rafa that he needs a good winger. Hopefully Babel coming back will help but Kuyt was awful today. So predictable and one footed. You could see Gerrard and Torres getting frustrated with him as he gave the ball away again and again. Doesn't posess the ability to deliver a pass when he sees it. Definitely not a right winger when there is two up front but can still do a decent job with 5 in midfield when he has less defensive duties I feel. Dossena had a decent game. No sign of Voronin or Pennant again!
Quote from: corn02 on August 16, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
This is incredibly boring,
After watching The match from Croker I watched 10 miins of this and had to switch over. There is absolutely no comparison between the games. Boring , sterile crap
Quote from: upthehoops on August 16, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 16, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
This is incredibly boring,
After watching The match from Croker I watched 10 miins of this and had to switch over. There is absolutely no comparison between the games. Boring , sterile crap
Totally agree, watched the match from Croker and the soccer was just dull after, but then thats the EPL for you!
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on August 16, 2008, 08:48:50 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on August 16, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 16, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
This is incredibly boring,
After watching The match from Croker I watched 10 miins of this and had to switch over. There is absolutely no comparison between the games. Boring , sterile crap
Totally agree, watched the match from Croker and the soccer was just dull after, but then thats the EPL for you!
Better to watch another facile four goal victory for Celtic then, is that it? ;)
Quote from: upthehoops on August 16, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 16, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
This is incredibly boring,
After watching The match from Croker I watched 10 miins of this and had to switch over. There is absolutely no comparison between the games. Boring , sterile crap
Listen I've seen plenty of awful gaelic football games in my time and you don't have to go too far back to find them. Why people try to keep comparing two different sports is beyond me?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 17, 2008, 03:25:33 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on August 16, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 16, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
This is incredibly boring,
After watching The match from Croker I watched 10 miins of this and had to switch over. There is absolutely no comparison between the games. Boring , sterile crap
Listen I've seen plenty of awful gaelic football games in my time and you don't have to go too far back to find them. Why people try to keep comparing two different sports is beyond me?
I wonder who "the hoops" in his name are (I guess after that statement they're definitely not going to be Celtic!).
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 17, 2008, 03:25:33 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on August 16, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 16, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
This is incredibly boring,
After watching The match from Croker I watched 10 miins of this and had to switch over. There is absolutely no comparison between the games. Boring , sterile crap
Listen I've seen plenty of awful gaelic football games in my time and you don't have to go too far back to find them. Why people try to keep comparing two different sports is beyond me?
That's not really fair is it? It was relevant yesterday because the majority would have watched the two games. One was very entertaining and one was shite. Noone was comparing the sports.
Quote from: upthehoops on August 16, 2008, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 16, 2008, 06:23:43 PM
This is incredibly boring,
After watching The match from Croker I watched 10 miins of this and had to switch over. There is absolutely no comparison between the games. Boring , sterile crap
Thanks for such a great input,Now f**k off and start your own bitter thread about such topics as you have mentioned above.
This is a Liverpool FC thread not a soccer is shite thread
Another pop from Rafa at the powers that be yesterday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7563980.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7563980.stm)
If you were boss of a multi national company would you take sh*t like that from a manager in public. Benitez is walking a fine line and has been for some time. How long does he have left on his contract? One things for sure LFC has not been a smooth ship since the yanks became involved although Benitez does not help the situation.
You really can't blame Hicks & Gillette for not giving Benitez the money as they must think he's a buffoon in the transfer market. His record is a joke, buying players who wouldn't get a game for Wolves.
Quote from: under the bar on August 17, 2008, 07:13:56 PM
You really can't blame Hicks & Gillette for not giving Benitez the money as they must think he's a buffoon in the transfer market. His record is a joke, buying players who wouldn't get a game for Wolves.
If Hicks and Gillette think Benitez is a buffoon, then their obvious recourse is to fire him, is it not?
QuoteIf Hicks and Gillette think Benitez is a buffoon, then their obvious recourse is to fire him, is it not?
Yes. And they will.
Quote from: under the bar on August 17, 2008, 07:46:04 PM
QuoteIf Hicks and Gillette think Benitez is a buffoon, then their obvious recourse is to fire him, is it not?
Yes. And they will.
They will in their hole. They have no interest in LFC at this point other than getting out with a profit. Sack Rafa and they have to pay him off firstly. Then to attract another manager of any renown they have to offer a new sizable transfer budget - not on the cards. What manager worth their salt would take a job where two septic tanks, who've barely attended a game, have a veto on who you spend your transfer budget on?
Quote from: slow corner back on August 17, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
If you were boss of a multi national company would you take sh*t like that from a manager in public. Benitez is walking a fine line and has been for some time. How long does he have left on his contract? One things for sure LFC has not been a smooth ship since the yanks became involved although Benitez does not help the situation.
Why the feck shouldn't say what he has said? He is constantly asked, day in day out and he is been painted in the press as been the baddie in all of this. He has been told that the money is there, he hasn't sent a whole pile of it the summer, he has sold to buy so far. He has targetted one player that he really wants and the player wants to come. Then two f**king Yanks who wouldn't know if it was pumped or stuffed decide that the player is to expansive at that price!!! wtf would they know. Then Parry the clown, who they wanted sacked not 5 minutes ago, sides with them.
Rafa runs the football side, if he has 18m to send and he wants to send it on Gareth Barry, Ciaran Whelan or Donna & Joe then so be it. If it flops and we don't progress, then have the balls to sack him. Don't sit across the Atlantic sending bullshit emails and empty promises. Parry manages to make an arse out of everything. Them 3 should be more worried about trying to get this stadium off the ground, improve the business side of things and leave the football to the footballers.
Under the bar, he may have bought a few donkeys but they soon where shown the door and most of the them at a profit. As for his good buys, I don't need to list them.
Much made of Rafa's transfers:
http://www.liverweb.org.uk/benitez.asp (http://www.liverweb.org.uk/benitez.asp)
Basically take out the current squad and Rafa's tranfer activity is more or less neutral.
As to the quality of some of them, it has to be said he's not slow to move players on who have not performed. However he has had a poor record on the wingers IMHO.
I find his slightly autocratic style frustrating, and I' not a fan of the team's style of play, but soccer isn't like any other big business - the manager picks the players he wants to sign, selects the side and lives or dies by the results. Clubs that are run in any other way are generally not successful in the long run.
QuoteSteve Finnan has admitted his Liverpool days are numbered and he may be forced to quit Anfield to enhance and extend his career with the Republic of Ireland.
The 32-year-old will add to his 50 Republic of Ireland caps in Norway tomorrow night after he was persuaded out of international retirement by new coach Giovanni Trapattoni.
But Finnan has had a disagreement with Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez after he tried to sell him behind his back as an original component in the Aston Villa Gareth Barry deal and he knows Benitez has less than two weeks to find the right deal for player and club.
Finnan said: 'You will have to ask the club and the manager what is happening. We have spoken but he didn't want to say too much.
'I am trying to get into the team but I have been fit for a month and I am just not playing any games.
'I suppose when the transfer window closes, we will know what is happening and if I do stay I will have to see if I can get into the team because obviously I want to play.
'You could say I am in limbo, that's about right. I have come out here to play international football which is obviously a very good level and that can only help.
'We'll have to wait and see what happens afterwards.
'We have a big squad at Liverpool and there is a lot of competition for places as you would expect at such a club and it is up to me to continue training hard and take my chance when I get it.'
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 19, 2008, 11:23:38 PM
QuoteSteve Finnan has admitted his Liverpool days are numbered and he may be forced to quit Anfield to enhance and extend his career with the Republic of Ireland.
The 32-year-old will add to his 50 Republic of Ireland caps in Norway tomorrow night after he was persuaded out of international retirement by new coach Giovanni Trapattoni.
But Finnan has had a disagreement with Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez after he tried to sell him behind his back as an original component in the Aston Villa Gareth Barry deal and he knows Benitez has less than two weeks to find the right deal for player and club.
Finnan said: 'You will have to ask the club and the manager what is happening. We have spoken but he didn't want to say too much.
'I am trying to get into the team but I have been fit for a month and I am just not playing any games.
'I suppose when the transfer window closes, we will know what is happening and if I do stay I will have to see if I can get into the team because obviously I want to play.
'You could say I am in limbo, that's about right. I have come out here to play international football which is obviously a very good level and that can only help.
'We'll have to wait and see what happens afterwards.
'We have a big squad at Liverpool and there is a lot of competition for places as you would expect at such a club and it is up to me to continue training hard and take my chance when I get it.'
Sad to see one of Liverpool's most consisdent defenders over the past seasons go..Kind of fucked for someone to fill that roll now though i would have thought..
Maybe we'll sign someone decent before the end of the month
Just for Laoislad... :P
(http://img.skysports.com/07/07/218x298/arbeloa_505009.jpg)
(http://img.skysports.com/08/05/218x298/Alvaro_Arbeloa868184.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42776000/jpg/_42776003_ab5.jpg)
Quote from: J70 on August 20, 2008, 12:03:28 AM
Just for Laoislad... :P
(http://img.skysports.com/07/07/218x298/arbeloa_505009.jpg)
(http://img.skysports.com/08/05/218x298/Alvaro_Arbeloa868184.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42776000/jpg/_42776003_ab5.jpg)
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/66736_1453_by_timcn.jpg) ;)
Feel a bit sorry for Finnan alright. He hasn't been treated very well, and while he's getting on he could still do a job for us. Hopefully Degen will prove to be better than he looked in pre-season.
I see Lucas sent off for pole-axing Mascherano yesterday! At least it means he'll miss the 3rd place playoff and come back early. Presumably he doesnt need to hang around for the medal ceremony...
While me and LL disagree over Arbeloa he is right in that Finnan has been a superb servant to Liverpool. Last year he looke d a bit out of shape and wasn't at his usual best, but ewither was Alonso. If Finnan does manage to stay, I wouldn't be shocked to see him earn his role back - one of Pool's best transfers in years.
Babel baclk early is a big boost, will offer width on Sat.
Benitez & Parry hold peace talks
Benitez and Parry will work together to strengthen the squad
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez and chief executive Rick Parry have held clear-the-air talks.
Last weekend Benitez revealed his frustration over his perceived lack of boardroom support in trying to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
"Talks have taken place. It was a positive discussion and we will now move forward together," said Benitez.
Parry told the club's website: "I can confirm we had a friendly and positive meeting and we're moving forward."
Spaniard Benitez has been trying to sign Barry, 27, since April but the club's American owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks have baulked at meeting Villa's asking price of £18m.
Last week Liverpool released a statement confirming that, despite being identified by Benitez as a transfer target, the club's hierarchy were unwilling to match Villa's valuation.
The statement said that "this is not about questioning the manager's judgement or the ability of a particular player" - but the issue has rankled Benitez.
Liverpool have been linked with left-sided players including Albert Riera and Stewart Downing.
Any potential Barry transfer has been complicated by his appearance in Villa's Uefa Cup tie against FH Hafnarfjordur last week, which rules him out of playing in the Champions League group stages.
If you's are out of all competions by xmas..do you's think benitez should get the road?
Quote from: new devil on August 21, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
If you's are out of all competions by xmas..do you's think benitez should get the road?
FA Cup does not start until January for Premiership teams Devil so it is impossoble to be out of all competitions by Christmas.
Quote from: Minder on August 21, 2008, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: new devil on August 21, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
If you's are out of all competions by xmas..do you's think benitez should get the road?
FA Cup does not start until January for Premiership teams Devil so it is impossoble to be out of all competitions by Christmas.
Sure new devil is a United fan,They only play in the FA Cup when it suits them
If you are happy enough with a FA cup minder thats up 2 you....but what like the last few years you's are out of condention for the league by xmas
and fighting for 4th place with the likes of spurs,everton,aston villa
IMHO Benitez is not the man for the job....but i hope he stays forever ;) :D
Quote from: new devil on August 21, 2008, 09:26:36 PM
If you's are out of all competions by xmas..do you's think benitez should get the road?
On past form, they should make at least the quarter finals of the champions league, and, like the other English teams, should be among the favourites to go all the way. I doubt if most Liverpool fans give a bollocks about the FA cup or league cup. Even if they do well in those competitions though, if he is way off the pace in the premier league, his job will be under threat. I doubt if many fans think they can win it this year, but I'd say most, and the club itself, would be happy enough if they at least stay in the hunt until April i.e be within five or six points of the leaders. They finished 11 points back last season, but that was after closing a bigger gap towards the end when United were stuttering a bit.
Wow, we got out of jail big time today. Still think we are well short again this year. Keane doesn't look up to speed at all yet and we are too reliant on Stevie and Torres. hope I'm wrong but I'd say we'll struggle to challenge this year.
Fifth minute of injury time! :o :o ;D
Lovely finish by Gerrard, but a very lucky three points overall.
Apart from the scoreline it's hard to get to excited after watching that woefull display.
Not one Liverpool player played well,I have never seen Alonso and Gerrard give away so much possesion.
We did see a few minor glimpse's of Torres and Keane linking up but as i said it was minor enough..
As the old saying goes a win is a win but I am very dis hearted after watching that,Nothing seems to have changed since last season..
But as the even older saying goes a sign of a good team is one who wins while playing badly,Sure haven't we been watching Man United for years playing awful and pulling it out of the fire in injury time
If it is still that bad in a month's time, then I will be worried. You've a new forward partnership (I thought they showed somepromising glimpses - Torres should have buried the one Keane set up for him in the first half), a new left back and a not-fully-fit Gerrard, so its going to take a while to get going. That doesn't mean it will, obviously, but I wouldn't get too disheartened yet. The lack of a threat from out wide is worrying though. Babel has to make his mark this year.
Quote from: J70 on August 23, 2008, 05:16:43 PM
If it is still that bad in a month's time, then I will be worried. You've a new forward partnership (I thought they showed somepromising glimpses - Torres should have buried the one Keane set up for him in the first half), a new left back and a not-fully-fit Gerrard, so its going to take a while to get going. That doesn't mean it will, obviously, but I wouldn't get too disheartened yet. The lack of a threat from out wide is worrying though. Babel has to make his mark this year.
With a Champions League game,then Villa away then United coming up we would want to get our arses in gear pretty sharpish
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2008, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 23, 2008, 05:16:43 PM
If it is still that bad in a month's time, then I will be worried. You've a new forward partnership (I thought they showed somepromising glimpses - Torres should have buried the one Keane set up for him in the first half), a new left back and a not-fully-fit Gerrard, so its going to take a while to get going. That doesn't mean it will, obviously, but I wouldn't get too disheartened yet. The lack of a threat from out wide is worrying though. Babel has to make his mark this year.
With a Champions League game,then Villa away then United coming up we would want to get our arses in gear pretty sharpish
True enough.
Video of Gerrard's winner...
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1501694/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1501694/)
Is the commentator praising Allah? :D :D
Its not often Stevie does that! :)
Poor performance overall. What was up with Alonso today ??? Keane showed signs of improvement which was a plus, still need some width badly!
We are crying out for width... teams are crowding the middle and we can't break them down... in our two matches so far we have got out of jail owing to moments of magic from individual players!!
Today was lucky!!
Reina - Quality
Arbeloa - Poor, got turned a few times and offered nothing going forward... he is an average player at best, at least Finnan would get forward and would gaurantee at least three to four good crosses per game...
Carragher - Ok
Skertel - Good defensively but gave too many balls away with 30 - 40 yard hopeful balls at best
Dossena - Good defensively and tried to get forward, has the makings of a good left back
Kuyt - Fed up saying this... great workrate, poor shooting, poor passing
Alonso - Very poor today, uncharacteristically gave away a lot of possession
Gerrard - Was ok, but like Alonso gave away a lot of ball
Benayoun - Crap! Why he persists with this clown I will never know! Manages to take it around 2 players and then mislays a 10 yard pass and always manages to find trouble!!!!
Torres - Always looked dangerous but was starved of good quality ball
Keane - Some good link up play with Torres which was encouraging but he too didn't receive enough quality ball
Some good news....
We are Top of the League for 12 hours at least.. :D
And we have a Olympic Gold Medalist coming back to us next week!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2008, 08:53:01 PM
Some good news....
We are Top of the League for 12 hours at least.. :D
And we have a Olympic Gold Medalist coming back to us next week!
Stop or we'll have the usual muppets coming on telling us we're all deluded and that we supposedly think its "our year".
Quote from: derryexile on August 23, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
We are crying out for width... teams are crowding the middle and we can't break them down... in our two matches so far we have got out of jail owing to moments of magic from individual players!!
Today was lucky!!
Reina - Quality
Arbeloa - Poor, got turned a few times and offered nothing going forward... he is an average player at best, at least Finnan would get forward and would gaurantee at least three to four good crosses per game...
Carragher - Ok
Skertel - Good defensively but gave too many balls away with 30 - 40 yard hopeful balls at best
Dossena - Good defensively and tried to get forward, has the makings of a good left back
Kuyt - Fed up saying this... great workrate, poor shooting, poor passing
Alonso - Very poor today, uncharacteristically gave away a lot of possession
Gerrard - Was ok, but like Alonso gave away a lot of ball
Benayoun - Crap! Why he persists with this clown I will never know! Manages to take it around 2 players and then mislays a 10 yard pass and always manages to find trouble!!!!
Torres - Always looked dangerous but was starved of good quality ball
Keane - Some good link up play with Torres which was encouraging but he too didn't receive enough quality ball
Would agree with most of that after todays game but I disagree with you about Benayoun,Fair enough today wasn't a good day on site but he is a good player and has preformed very well for Liverpool in the past
when has benayoun performed well in the past,bar his hat trick against Besiktas? When we have players like him starting we will never win the league
Liverpool could well be 4 points worse off now, so it's good news for me.
I know they are not playing great so far but they will improve and it's better to be playing badly and winning than playing well and drawing or even losing.
They do desperately need some width though, hopefully Babel will start to live up to his potential soon, he needs to do it this season
Downing anyone?
Quote from: corn02 on August 25, 2008, 12:58:28 PM
Downing anyone?
Is he not just the left wing version of Pennant?
A much classier player than Pennant. Not first choice but it looks likely at this stage. Could be a good option.
He had a decent game saturday. Would a right sided winger not be priority or would he move Babel across?
Quote from: corn02 on August 25, 2008, 01:04:07 PM
A much classier player than Pennant. Not first choice but it looks likely at this stage. Could be a good option.
Will take your word for it Corn, always seems to show well against Liverpool, but got the impression he wasn't exactly pulling up trees over the last two seasons. Wouldn't be into just signing someone for the sake of it, or because the targets really wanted are not available, I mean even at 3rd choice he would still garner up around the 15million mark, no?
Babel can play both wings. Preferably we would take in two wingers and I would like a worker like Downing and falir player like Queresma or something - never gooing to happen.
Quote from: corn02 on August 25, 2008, 01:14:05 PM
Babel can play both wings. Preferably we would take in two wingers and I would like a worker like Downing and falir player like Queresma or something - never gooing to happen.
I would settle for one half-decent winger at this stage.
Think Downing is a good player. Not flashy and will never be world class but he does all the basics of a good winger well. Keeps wide and delivers decent balls into the box. Far better player than Pennant anyway. I wouldn't exactly be thrilled by his signing but I would take anyone that would give us some width right now. Middlesborough don't seem to want to sell him though and will probably be looking for all the Gareth Barry money off us even to consider it.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 25, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 25, 2008, 01:14:05 PM
Babel can play both wings. Preferably we would take in two wingers and I would like a worker like Downing and falir player like Queresma or something - never gooing to happen.
I would settle for one half-decent winger at this stage.
Think Downing is a good player. Not flashy and will never be world class but he does all the basics of a good winger well. Keeps wide and delivers decent balls into the box. Far better player than Pennant anyway. I wouldn't exactly be thrilled by his signing but I would take anyone that would give us some width right now. Middlesborough don't seem to want to sell him though and will probably be looking for all the Gareth Barry money off us even to consider it.
At least one player to provide genuine width is needed. Wouldn't mind if the other wing was taken up with a genuinely crafty, creative player. Currently we have neither, unless Babel develops beyond a spped merchant to a winger, but I think he is more likely to end up playing up front.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2008, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: derryexile on August 23, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
We are crying out for width... teams are crowding the middle and we can't break them down... in our two matches so far we have got out of jail owing to moments of magic from individual players!!
Today was lucky!!
Reina - Quality
Arbeloa - Poor, got turned a few times and offered nothing going forward... he is an average player at best, at least Finnan would get forward and would gaurantee at least three to four good crosses per game...
Carragher - Ok
Skertel - Good defensively but gave too many balls away with 30 - 40 yard hopeful balls at best
Dossena - Good defensively and tried to get forward, has the makings of a good left back
Kuyt - Fed up saying this... great workrate, poor shooting, poor passing
Alonso - Very poor today, uncharacteristically gave away a lot of possession
Gerrard - Was ok, but like Alonso gave away a lot of ball
Benayoun - Crap! Why he persists with this clown I will never know! Manages to take it around 2 players and then mislays a 10 yard pass and always manages to find trouble!!!!
Torres - Always looked dangerous but was starved of good quality ball
Keane - Some good link up play with Torres which was encouraging but he too didn't receive enough quality ball
Would agree with most of that after todays game but I disagree with you about Benayoun,Fair enough today wasn't a good day on site but he is a good player and has preformed very well for Liverpool in the past
Would Benayoun get anywhere near the Utd or Chelsea starting 11, no chance...with players of his calibre, the Reds will finish no higher than 4th place..I hope I'm wrong
Quote from: peterquaife on August 25, 2008, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2008, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: derryexile on August 23, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
We are crying out for width... teams are crowding the middle and we can't break them down... in our two matches so far we have got out of jail owing to moments of magic from individual players!!
Today was lucky!!
Reina - Quality
Arbeloa - Poor, got turned a few times and offered nothing going forward... he is an average player at best, at least Finnan would get forward and would gaurantee at least three to four good crosses per game...
Carragher - Ok
Skertel - Good defensively but gave too many balls away with 30 - 40 yard hopeful balls at best
Dossena - Good defensively and tried to get forward, has the makings of a good left back
Kuyt - Fed up saying this... great workrate, poor shooting, poor passing
Alonso - Very poor today, uncharacteristically gave away a lot of possession
Gerrard - Was ok, but like Alonso gave away a lot of ball
Benayoun - Crap! Why he persists with this clown I will never know! Manages to take it around 2 players and then mislays a 10 yard pass and always manages to find trouble!!!!
Torres - Always looked dangerous but was starved of good quality ball
Keane - Some good link up play with Torres which was encouraging but he too didn't receive enough quality ball
Would agree with most of that after todays game but I disagree with you about Benayoun,Fair enough today wasn't a good day on site but he is a good player and has preformed very well for Liverpool in the past
Would Benayoun get anywhere near the Utd or Chelsea starting 11, no chance...with players of his calibre, the Reds will finish no higher than 4th place..I hope I'm wrong
They may finish third, for what that is worth. This season isn't about winning the title, its about putting up a decent challenge, but it is not clear, at this stage, that even that is going to happen. They would want to get the finger out fairly quickly, starting with Liege.
Quote from: peterquaife on August 25, 2008, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2008, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: derryexile on August 23, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
We are crying out for width... teams are crowding the middle and we can't break them down... in our two matches so far we have got out of jail owing to moments of magic from individual players!!
Today was lucky!!
Reina - Quality
Arbeloa - Poor, got turned a few times and offered nothing going forward... he is an average player at best, at least Finnan would get forward and would gaurantee at least three to four good crosses per game...
Carragher - Ok
Skertel - Good defensively but gave too many balls away with 30 - 40 yard hopeful balls at best
Dossena - Good defensively and tried to get forward, has the makings of a good left back
Kuyt - Fed up saying this... great workrate, poor shooting, poor passing
Alonso - Very poor today, uncharacteristically gave away a lot of possession
Gerrard - Was ok, but like Alonso gave away a lot of ball
Benayoun - Crap! Why he persists with this clown I will never know! Manages to take it around 2 players and then mislays a 10 yard pass and always manages to find trouble!!!!
Torres - Always looked dangerous but was starved of good quality ball
Keane - Some good link up play with Torres which was encouraging but he too didn't receive enough quality ball
Would agree with most of that after todays game but I disagree with you about Benayoun,Fair enough today wasn't a good day on site but he is a good player and has preformed very well for Liverpool in the past
Would Benayoun get anywhere near the Utd or Chelsea starting 11, no chance...with players of his calibre, the Reds will finish no higher than 4th place..I hope I'm wrong
Christ i hate this argument ::)
Would a player get onto another team....
I think its a ridiculous debate to be honest,Different players suit different teams and their style of play,We saw the Galactiocs of Real Madrid a few seasons ago and they hardly lit the world alight..
You can have average players in a team who can flourish under a certain system,just because you are "world class" doesn't mean you'll fit into a team..Look at Shevchenko for example or Morientas with Liverpool..
11 world class players does not mean you'll have a world class team..
Benayoun has done nothing wrong in my opinion,He wasn't great last saturday but neither were any of the rest of them
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2008, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on August 25, 2008, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2008, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: derryexile on August 23, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
We are crying out for width... teams are crowding the middle and we can't break them down... in our two matches so far we have got out of jail owing to moments of magic from individual players!!
Today was lucky!!
Reina - Quality
Arbeloa - Poor, got turned a few times and offered nothing going forward... he is an average player at best, at least Finnan would get forward and would gaurantee at least three to four good crosses per game...
Carragher - Ok
Skertel - Good defensively but gave too many balls away with 30 - 40 yard hopeful balls at best
Dossena - Good defensively and tried to get forward, has the makings of a good left back
Kuyt - Fed up saying this... great workrate, poor shooting, poor passing
Alonso - Very poor today, uncharacteristically gave away a lot of possession
Gerrard - Was ok, but like Alonso gave away a lot of ball
Benayoun - Crap! Why he persists with this clown I will never know! Manages to take it around 2 players and then mislays a 10 yard pass and always manages to find trouble!!!!
Torres - Always looked dangerous but was starved of good quality ball
Keane - Some good link up play with Torres which was encouraging but he too didn't receive enough quality ball
Would agree with most of that after todays game but I disagree with you about Benayoun,Fair enough today wasn't a good day on site but he is a good player and has preformed very well for Liverpool in the past
Would Benayoun get anywhere near the Utd or Chelsea starting 11, no chance...with players of his calibre, the Reds will finish no higher than 4th place..I hope I'm wrong
Christ i hate this argument ::)
Would a player get onto another team....
I think its a ridiculous debate to be honest,Different players suit different teams and their style of play,We saw the Galactiocs of Real Madrid a few seasons ago and they hardly lit the world alight..
You can have average players in a team who can flourish under a certain system,just because you are "world class" doesn't mean you'll fit into a team..Look at Shevchenko for example or Morientas with Liverpool..
11 world class players does not mean you'll have a world class team..
Benayoun has done nothing wrong in my opinion,He wasn't great last saturday but neither were any of the rest of them
I like the fella, but I don't know if he will ever be truely effective for Liverpool. Put it to you this way, I'd swap him, and Kuyt, for Arteta or maybe Bentley.
Good call on Arteta I think he is a fine player,Tim Cahill is another
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2008, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on August 25, 2008, 05:34:02 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 23, 2008, 09:11:41 PM
Quote from: derryexile on August 23, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
We are crying out for width... teams are crowding the middle and we can't break them down... in our two matches so far we have got out of jail owing to moments of magic from individual players!!
Today was lucky!!
Reina - Quality
Arbeloa - Poor, got turned a few times and offered nothing going forward... he is an average player at best, at least Finnan would get forward and would gaurantee at least three to four good crosses per game...
Carragher - Ok
Skertel - Good defensively but gave too many balls away with 30 - 40 yard hopeful balls at best
Dossena - Good defensively and tried to get forward, has the makings of a good left back
Kuyt - Fed up saying this... great workrate, poor shooting, poor passing
Alonso - Very poor today, uncharacteristically gave away a lot of possession
Gerrard - Was ok, but like Alonso gave away a lot of ball
Benayoun - Crap! Why he persists with this clown I will never know! Manages to take it around 2 players and then mislays a 10 yard pass and always manages to find trouble!!!!
Torres - Always looked dangerous but was starved of good quality ball
Keane - Some good link up play with Torres which was encouraging but he too didn't receive enough quality ball
Would agree with most of that after todays game but I disagree with you about Benayoun,Fair enough today wasn't a good day on site but he is a good player and has preformed very well for Liverpool in the past
Would Benayoun get anywhere near the Utd or Chelsea starting 11, no chance...with players of his calibre, the Reds will finish no higher than 4th place..I hope I'm wrong
Christ i hate this argument ::)
Would a player get onto another team....
I think its a ridiculous debate to be honest,Different players suit different teams and their style of play,We saw the Galactiocs of Real Madrid a few seasons ago and they hardly lit the world alight..
You can have average players in a team who can flourish under a certain system,just because you are "world class" doesn't mean you'll fit into a team..Look at Shevchenko for example or Morientas with Liverpool..
11 world class players does not mean you'll have a world class team..
Benayoun has done nothing wrong in my opinion,He wasn't great last saturday but neither were any of the rest of them
Was going to post the exact same. People don't seem to realise the need for balance. E.g if your full backs are attack minded, your wingers are going to be more defensive and vice versa.
I would wager a guess that Reira or Downing wqill arrive by the weekend. Maybe not the best ever, but it certainly gives more options.
Official bids for Reira from the two Scouser clubs.
Quote from: corn02 on August 25, 2008, 07:00:12 PM
Official bids for Reira from the two Scouser clubs.
Only one winner so...
Source?
Reira An Everton Target
2008-08-23 13:25:00
Everton are reportedly ready to go head to head with local rivals Liverpool in the battle for the signature of Spanish midfielder Albert Riera.
Both clubs are desperate to strengthen their teams before the transfer window closes in just over a weeks time and the left sided international would be ideally suited to both clubs.
Liverpool continue to search for a left side solution while Everton, who have yet to sign a single player this summer, are desperately in need of depth and different first team options.
According to Skysports.com the players club, Espanyol, are believed to have already rejected a cash and player exchange offer from Liverpool but are currently negotiations with the Goodison club over a possible GBP12million move.
Liverpool are believed to have originally offered cash and Andriy Voronin but stories earlier in the week suggested that the Spanish club were thinking more along the lines of a straight cash offer in the region of GBP16million.
Everton boss David Moyes has already missed out on the signings of Joao Moutinho and Tiago this season but the arrival of Reira would be a big coup for Blue side of Merseyside should they be able to pull it off.
I wouldn't blame them for not wanting Voronin.. :D
Riera? The same Riera that stank the place out at Man City?
Quote from: Minder on August 25, 2008, 08:33:21 PM
Riera? The same Riera that stank the place out at Man City?
Bit harsh. City wante to sign huim and a feee could not be agreed. We have offered 8million and Evrton 12 apparently. Reira getting stroppy and only wants a move to the Pool.
Any City fans i know cant believe there is so much interest in him,perhaps he will be better in different surroundings
I've been trawling through the net, investigating this Riera chap.
He's improved since his City days.
On a nice day, when he's in a good mood, and the full back doesnt kick him too often, he's brilliant.
On other days - anonymous.
Well suited to the Premiership! :-[
Riera fee agreed according to Echo. Personal terms and medical to be finalised. Price lower than what Everton offered but player was having none of it. We might be in a bit of a financial mess but the bitters really are fecked. ;D
Not sure for Riera, according to one stats website he has only ever started 99 league games and subbed on for futher 26. Few cup games to add but still not much for a 26 year old. Can't remember doing anything of note in his City career but apparently since he left them he has really started to show some worth. At least is a out and out winger on the left side and he has premiership experience.
Sky Sports reckon Liverpool matched Everton's bid of EUR12m, but spread the payment terms over a longer period.
What is going on with Agger? His lack of game time is playing havoc on my fantasy team!
http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/08/26/Premier-League-Reds-strike-Riera-deal/?facets/sport-space/football/great-britain-locale/
QuoteSetantasports.com understands that Liverpool have finally come to an agreement with Espanyol over the transfer of Spain international Albert Riera.
The 26-year-old winger has been linked with a move to Anfield for months now but talks between the two clubs have reached a positive conclusion.
Merseyside rivals Everton had tabled a higher offer for the former Manchester City man but Riera has his heart set on a move to Anfield where he will join his compatriot Rafa Benitez.
Riera must now agree personal terms with the club and complete all the necessary medical tests, but he is poised to move to Anfield in a deal worth in the region of £9.54 million.
The acquisition of the Espanyol star will go a long way to reinforcing Liverpool's options in wide positions and the club also retain an interest in Aston Villa's Gareth Barry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6EOyiuTr8Y
Watched another compilation there, not that they are anything to go by, but he does seem to be an out and out left sided player.
taking part in the sky sports fantasy football and have hyypia in my team. it seems he has a hamstring injury but i cant find out how bad it is and how long he is out for? anyone know cos if its a bad one he's getting the chop!
Quote from: clarshack on August 27, 2008, 09:09:43 AM
taking part in the sky sports fantasy football and have hyypia in my team. it seems he has a hamstring injury but i cant find out how bad it is and how long he is out for? anyone know cos if its a bad one he's getting the chop!
Not sure how long he is out for but don't really see him playing much this year. Will prob be 4th choice centre half behind Carra, Agger and Skertel. Not a fantansy football regular. Has also been subject of a rejected offer from Stoke and could well end up there before Monday.
thanks, i had wanted a player from each of the top four sides in my back four and he was the cheapest liverpool option. he played in the first game so I thought he might have been playing regular enough.
I think Hyypia is back from injury and is in contention for a place in team tonight but as Bingobus says, I cant see him playing on a regular basis this season.
Some disaster if liverpool go out tonight
wats the story with agger??? i had him in my fantasy team and he hasnt featured at all yet??
Was just going to ask that Hank. Thought he would be a sure starter all year ???
Agger has come back from a year out so just probably isnt back to his sharpest yet. And with carra & skrtel, there's no need to rush him back. With games v Villa & Utd coming up, I cant see him starting until the stoke game. In a month or 2 he could be first choice.
I wanted 1 liverpool defender in my fantasy team but didnt pick any of the centre backs cos of the competition for places. I picked Arbeloa. He's not a great defender but with finnan out of favour, he's really the only choice at right back.
Steve08 prob has it right but would see him been introduced and then left out, tonight may suit him.
I put Reina in team rather than a CB, was limited to 3 LFC players and choose Reina (Clean sheets and assists last year), Gerard and Torres. I did have Ardeloa in last year.
Milner looks to be on the move, destination Villa apparently, but Liverpool also linked. What would yee think? Any football in him?
Milner is very under-rated but I still don't think he would be good enough for us - a squad player maybe. The man has an uncanny ability to find space when there is none, but again could not see him starting much in the first 11.
He's started the season at some lick, but the reason now seems to be apparent.
Quote
Liverpool co-op dream gains momentum
Wednesday, 27 August 2008 14:18
The Liverpool fan group who want to buy the club will tonight get backing for their dream from sports minister Andy Burnham.
The MP for Leigh, a life-long Everton fan, will put aside cross-city allegiances to back ShareLiverpoolFC's dream of co-operative ownership of the Anfield club, eventually ousting American co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
Burnham will speak at a meeting prior to the Champions League qualifier with Standard Liege, at the Liverpool Lighthouse pub near the stadium.
Also speaking will be officials of the Spirit of Shankly fans organisation to emphasise the solidarity of Liverpool supporters' groups behind the scheme.
ShareLiverpoolFC founder member Dr Rogan Taylor will also address the meeting, aimed at re-establishing the group publicly as the current Liverpool owners try to raise money to re-finance their own loans as well as the £400m needed to build a new stadium.
Taylor, director of the Football Industry Group at Liverpool University, said: 'We want to make sure everyone realises that we are serious and intend to be around and ready whatever happens.'
Taylor believes that financial pressures will soon call into question once again the Americans' ability to continue as owners and prompt more interest from Dubai-based investors, who have been waiting in the wings to mount another takeover bid.
Taylor continued: 'Whoever takes over the club, they are going to need a local partnership. We are here to stay, and have people signed up to help and support the plans we have.
'We want to be around when the next roll of the dice comes, and that could be very soon.'
ShareLiverpoolFC have what many observers see as a romantic, if distant, aim of running the club, but are realistic enough to know that may not be their initial involvement.
'We will be ready, we have a data-base of people willing to help and we could say, 'we want 10 per cent now' so let's talk,' Taylor explained.
ShareLiverpoolFC has re-launched their website and want the 28,000 fans who had initially registered their interest, to sign up again.
The grand idea is to have 100,000 people pledging £5,000 to create a financial base to fight for control of the club.
Currently the group have 9,500 who have signed up, another 9,000 who have registered interest but cannot afford £5,000, plus a further 9,000 who want to be kept informed.
Taylor added: 'There is a long way to go, but we believe we can have a genuine impact. You can't score a goal if you are not on the pitch, and we are certainly on the pitch as players.'
It is believed that ShareLiverpoolFC have held exploratory meetings with possible Dubai investors and members of the previous Anfield hierarchy.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/0827/liverpool1.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/0827/liverpool1.html)
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 01:26:39 PM
He's started the season at some lick, but the reason now seems to be apparent.
What does that mean?
Maybe he's trying to engineer a move. Put himself in the shop window.
Quote from: gawa316 on August 27, 2008, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 01:26:39 PM
He's started the season at some lick, but the reason now seems to be apparent.
What does that mean?
I suspect he's playing out of his skin in an effort to secure a move away from Newcastle?
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on August 27, 2008, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 01:26:39 PM
He's started the season at some lick, but the reason now seems to be apparent.
What does that mean?
I suspect he's playing out of his skin in an effort to secure a move away from Newcastle?
In a similar vein to players in the last year of thier contract who all of a sudden up their effort.
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on August 27, 2008, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 01:26:39 PM
He's started the season at some lick, but the reason now seems to be apparent.
What does that mean?
I suspect he's playing out of his skin in an effort to secure a move away from Newcastle?
Oh right get ye now.
As for this takeover by the fans, surely if the yanks won't sell to DIC why would they sell to them? Are they offering more money?
Quote from: gawa316 on August 27, 2008, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 03:41:13 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on August 27, 2008, 03:39:02 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on August 27, 2008, 01:26:39 PM
He's started the season at some lick, but the reason now seems to be apparent.
What does that mean?
I suspect he's playing out of his skin in an effort to secure a move away from Newcastle?
Oh right get ye now.
As for this takeover by the fans, surely if the yanks won't sell to DIC why would they sell to them? Are they offering more money?
Nah, their initial interest is in getting some sort of stake in the club and taking it from there. The yanks are going to get it tight to refinance, so they hope to offer cheaper credit for some percentage of the club. Even at that I doubt the Americans would go for it, as apart from everything else anyone developing a controlling stake would make the club less attractive to a potential buyer when the inevitable sale comes about...unless they become very desperate. As for DIC, I doubt they would want or need partners.
What you lads betting on tonite? I took Liverpool to win 5-0 cos they'll undoubtedly hammer them, its just guessing the correct scoreline!
5-0? The way LFC played a fortnight ago, and against the two North East bucks, I'd be happy with 1-0 to the Reds.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 27, 2008, 05:17:24 PM
What you lads betting on tonite? I took Liverpool to win 5-0 cos they'll undoubtedly hammer them, its just guessing the correct scoreline!
I'm just hoping they don't get an away goal and put Liverpool out. Would take any sort of win right now.
One would normally expect a 3-0 win or something, but they really have been poor in the first three games of the season. They should win, but a shock is far from beyond the realms of possibility.
Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Carragher, Skrtel, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Keane.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Plessis, Spearing, El Zhar, Babel.
Just Aurelio in for Dossena then...anyone else shitting themselves?
Quote from: gawa316 on August 27, 2008, 07:13:32 PM
Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Carragher, Skrtel, Gerrard, Alonso, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Keane.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Plessis, Spearing, El Zhar, Babel.
Just Aurelio in for Dossena then...anyone else shitting themselves?
Happy to see Aurelio play...
Yes I have something smelly in me jocks alright
Will the rte w**ks slag us as much, now we have Keane?
RTE should be going to town on this no matter who's on.
Fair few soiled garments at this stage I'd say.
Tie should be dead and buried.
if liverpool lose tonight do they go into the uefa cup or are they out of europe?
Could be the UEFA
Keane was f**king rubbish
KUYT!!!!
The man has the first touch of an elephant. Great cross from Babel though.
Very poor defending.
Another Ugly win. at least we're through though
totally inept performance
Not use to this stress so early in the season!!
have to look positive- a sign of a good team, playing pure shite and still winning
that team in its current form isnt good enough to go on a long unbeaten run the way Chelsea or United can,the first time we play a good team we will get our bollocks beat
Only two positives to take from game, we are through and El Zhar looks like a bit of player - confident on ball, good touch and is strong for a wee lad.
Liege are a game side and made one mistake all night and paid for it. After a good first hour they didn't get too adventorous though.
Liverpool need to hit form soon. Another big test at weekend and I'm sure villa will be well up for it.
Lucky to come out of 210 mins of brutal play with a win. Will get nowhere this season playing like that. Fair enough it is early days but you'd like to see some decent form soon before meeting one of the big boys.
First off.............THANK f**k!
As has been said we were brutal tonight,I wouldn't agree with whoever said Keane was shite tonight as I thought he done as much as anyone and with the supply he was getting,He was forever tracking back and cleared a few corners he defo wasn't the worst on show tonight that would be a toss up between Alonso,Babel or Benayoun imho Gerrard wasn't great either
Great cross by Babel for the goal but he is still far to lazy and windy for my liking.
I thought Skertel done well,And as has been said i think El Zhar looks like a decent player I was surprised when the commentators said he was 22 he looks about 17!
Anyways a win is a win onwards and upwards :-\
Quote from: Minder on August 27, 2008, 10:45:58 PM
that team in its current form isnt good enough to go on a long unbeaten run the way Chelsea or United can,the first time we play a good team we will get our bollocks beat
Yeah thats what im afraid of. That was a dismal showing tonight. Wait till a few injuries and suspensions kick in. My pre season optimism for a productive season is diminishing already.
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Anyone team from each group..So who would ye like and like to avoid?
Not too many weak teams there. Atletico and Dynamo Kiev fourth seeds? Everyone will be desperate to avoid them.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N161069080827-2322. htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N161069080827-2322.htm)
QuoteLiverpool's progress to the Champions League group stage has come at a cost after Rafael Benitez revealed that Steven Gerrard will undergo a groin operation on Thursday.
The Reds boss admitted it was a blow to lose his skipper but is hopeful he will make a speedy recovery after he played the full 120 minutes of Liverpool's extra-time win at home to Standard Liege.
"I'm disappointed because Gerrard will have an operation tomorrow," he said.
"He has a groin problem. We knew it could be like this and I was surprised when I was reading some of the newspapers saying he has to play and has to start. Now he will have an operation and will be out for 10-15 days.
"It isn't too long but he needs to have it because he has been having pain with it. When he went with the national team we knew he had a problem and in the first-leg too.
"I was talking with the doctor yesterday and today we talked with him (Gerrard). He said he would play with pain and after it he would have an operation.
"He knew he had to keep going tonight and did so because he knew he was having it tomorrow."
Im heard that on the radio this morning. Good thing we got Barry in to hold the fort though :(
Is 10 - 15 days not a very short period of recovery for any surgery no matter how small?!?!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 28, 2008, 01:42:21 AM
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N161069080827-2322. htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N161069080827-2322.htm)
QuoteLiverpool's progress to the Champions League group stage has come at a cost after Rafael Benitez revealed that Steven Gerrard will undergo a groin operation on Thursday.
The Reds boss admitted it was a blow to lose his skipper but is hopeful he will make a speedy recovery after he played the full 120 minutes of Liverpool's extra-time win at home to Standard Liege.
"I'm disappointed because Gerrard will have an operation tomorrow," he said.
"He has a groin problem. We knew it could be like this and I was surprised when I was reading some of the newspapers saying he has to play and has to start. Now he will have an operation and will be out for 10-15 days.
"It isn't too long but he needs to have it because he has been having pain with it. When he went with the national team we knew he had a problem and in the first-leg too.
"I was talking with the doctor yesterday and today we talked with him (Gerrard). He said he would play with pain and after it he would have an operation.
"He knew he had to keep going tonight and did so because he knew he was having it tomorrow."
I'd say they knew this op was needed for some time but were waiting for the best time. Obviously gerrard was required to get through to the CL qualifiers and having the op now might mean missing only 1 PL game, the trip to villa. Will miss 2 England games, but who cares about that. He'll just have to be back for the united game on Sept 13th though.
Thank god Masch & Lucas are back for this weekend. The rest of the team need to up their game big time with gerrard gone.
I cant see how stevie can go under the knife today and be back in 16 days to play united, its not gunna happen! Lets hope the olympic boys step up.... Reira may also be in the squad for villa so we will see how that goes too!!
When is the draw? Today or tomorrow?
Today @ 5pm I think
The way Gerrard played against United last year you should count yourselves lucky he'll miss the game.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 28, 2008, 09:54:04 AM
The way Gerrard played against United last year you should count yourselves lucky he'll miss the game.
Go away
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 28, 2008, 09:54:04 AM
The way Gerrard played against United last year you should count yourselves lucky he'll miss the game.
Aye, but Mascherano will take his place. That didn't go so well either :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2008, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 28, 2008, 09:54:04 AM
The way Gerrard played against United last year you should count yourselves lucky he'll miss the game.
Aye, but Mascherano will take his place. That didn't go so well either :D
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Frustrating,frustrating night. Probably were the poorer team over the two legs - but we will do well as usual in the group.
Jammy fcukers as usual in Europe ;)
The scousers are playing complete sh1te & I would honestly fear for them against stronger teams unless they get a few wide man asap, but the bright side for ye lot is you have 6 points from 6 in the league & are in the group stages of the CL
Cant ask for more than that especially as ye havent played well at all
Quote from: full back on August 28, 2008, 12:56:41 PM
Jammy fcukers as usual in Europe ;)
The scousers are playing complete sh1te & I would honestly fear for them against stronger teams unless they get a few wide man asap, but the bright side for ye lot is you have 6 points from 6 in the league & are in the group stages of the CL
Cant ask for more than that especially as ye havent played well at all
Spot on. If you told us that would be the story on August 28th, we'd have been delighted.
The problem is that they must improve, and must get their best players on the field, and in their proper positions. Dirk Kuyt is not good enough, Arbeloa looked woeful again, especially defensively, Keane and Torres are not operating as a pair at all yet, although I do think that will come, Benayoun is lightweight, Alonso (who I thought was okay enough) is still not playing very well, and Gerrard is struggling.
If Pepe Reina wasn't playing, we'd probably be 1 point from 6 in the league, and out of Europe.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2008, 01:01:13 PM
Dirk Kuyt is not good enough.
Have to disagree, his record in Europe is superb and has a nack for important goals. He is not playing a striker of course but with Reira coming in, Keane will have to look over his shoulder at Dirk.
Kuyt is a good enough player is you are happy to finish 3/4th in the league every year
Keane & Torres will benefit greatly if you have a conventional winger not a workhorse
Quote from: full back on August 28, 2008, 01:11:31 PM
Kuyt is a good enough player is you are happy to finish 3/4th in the league every year
Keane & Torres will benefit greatly if you have a conventional winger not a workhorse
Exactly. What do we want as a player in that position? A hard grafter, honest as the day is long, but with the first touch of a rampaging bull elephant, or someone who can go past people, get in crosses, and generally treat the ball as a friend, rather than a plague infected rat?
I like Kuyt. I like his energy, his workrate and his honesty. I hate his ability. He's a squad player on a good team, and a starter on an average team. If he starts for Liverpool, regularly, then we are an average team, in my opinion.
The amount of times moves break down when he gets involved is unreal, and a lot of his workrate is needed because he gave it away in the first place.
I don't want to be hard on him, as I said, I do admire him as a 'pro', but in terms of ability, I just don't think he's good enough.
For an Offaly man you talk a lot of sense AZ ;)
Quote from: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 01:08:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2008, 01:01:13 PM
Dirk Kuyt is not good enough.
Have to disagree, his record in Europe is superb and has a nack for important goals. He is not playing a striker of course but with Reira coming in, Keane will have to look over his shoulder at Dirk.
"What are you doing back there Dirk?"
I think if and when they get Kuyt off the wing, there will be a good bit of roatation of the three strikers, in fact Dirk and Robbie might not be a bad combination. I don't think Robbie has done badly at all, worked hard, on Saturday he joined up the play well, himself and Nando just haven't clicked yet. To be honest Torres hasn't looked great, all be it with only 4 games gone, a bit leaden of foot, perhaps the after effects of the Euros. Benitez wants to be having a word with Babel, toughen the wee wimp up, send him over to train with the Meath juniors or something. And another word with Arbeloa, a simple message really, when you're on the overlap don't take the extra touch before crossing, just hit it - a real sign of a player low on confidence. What was really disturbing last night was the lack of options on the bench to change the game - I mean even if Lucas & Masch were available it's not like they offer a real option going forward. All that said, they are in the draw, and hard to believe as it may be that's the best they have played so far this season - they actually passed the ball once Standard were on the back foot (despite Beny/Kuyt/Babel's constant bad passing). Don't Standard have some great young players? None out wide really where Liverpool need them, but I doubt that team will still be together this time next week.
Quoteand hard to believe as it may be that's the best they have played so far this season - they actually passed the ball once Standard were on the back foot
I agree with that. Granted it's 'tallest pygmy' territory, but at times last night they looked in control, just never looked like scoring. And then there'd be 10 passes and Kuyt would kick it into the stand.
Paper talk Liverpool forward Andriy Voronin has emerged as a transfer target for Nantes. The Ukrainian forward may not have many opportunities to impress this season and Rafa Benitez could decide to let him head to France.
http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer_clockwatch/0,23710,14896_4059494,00.html
Bad news for poor oul Nantes, after a poor start to their season. :P
I know the "Kuyt problem" has been visited many times but i feel compelled to keep it going. He is not good enough, his goal sums him up, off his knee. He does not have the pace, skill levels or intelligence to play out wide. Liverpool will never win the Premier League when he is atrting the majority of games. I remember a game last year against United, he was chasing ball with Evra, Evra was running about 75% speed and easily beat him to the ball. Nobody doubts his work rate, it is immense but it isnt enough at the highest level.
agree with alot of what's being said here. That was a very frustrating performance last night. Yes, kuyt works like the duracel bunny, and gets important goals, but his touch is absolutely shocking. Numerous times last night, the play broke down due to kuyt giving the ball away. I was screaming for Kuyt to be taken off early in the 2nd half. Is pennant that bad that he couldnt have got a place on the bench - i would have left keane on and put pennant on instead of kuyt if that option was available. Or even switch benny to the right and bring babel on for kuyt. Rafa will feel justified cos kuyt got the winner but in all honesty we got very lucky last night.
Dont want to be too hard on the lad as he has come up trumps in important games, but I thought this season he'd be playing a much smaller part - maybe in difficult away games when its important to defend. but obviously rafa is continuing with his loyalty towards dirk. that doesnt bode well for the season ahead, IMO.
also was very disappointed with Babel, more of the same from him - just running the ball into trouble every time. Alonso again was poor, carrying on with his form of last season. Easy to see why rafa was looking to let him go and bring in Barry. Gerrard struggled also but for a guy playing in pain, he worked very hard and when Masch comes back, it should free up gerrard to help the attack. As expected we got nothing from the full backs and its difficult to see how Finnan can be frozen out if Arbeloa is the main right back.
A winger is definitely needed (Riera or milner or downing - anyone with the ability the beat a man and deliver a cross) to provide an an option, & then when Masch comes back & stevie joins the attack, things should start to improve through the middle. But with gerrards injury, it's going to be some weeks before we're back to full strength. I just hope we can ride our luck against Villa & Utd in the meantime and not drop too many points...
Glad to see masch back, now hopefull we can revert back to the 4231 cause we don't have the personell for 442.
If reira signs and is ready for this wkd, I'd go for this against villa
Reina
Carra, Skertal, Agger, Dossena
Masch, Alonso
Babel Keane Reira
Torres
But no doubt this will look nothing like the team that lines out on sunday
Quote from: gawa316 on August 28, 2008, 01:59:28 PM
Glad to see masch back, now hopefull we can revert back to the 4231 cause we don't have the personell for 442.
If reira signs and is ready for this wkd, I'd go for this against villa
Reina
Carra, Skertal, Agger, Dossena
Masch, Alonso
Babel Keane Reira
Torres
But no doubt this will look nothing like the team that lines out on sunday
"Off The Ball" have an interview tonight with Masch on Newstalk 106.
I know it sounds absurd, but Kuyt scoring that goal although crucial could be our downfall in later games.
The reality was we got lucky last night, and the better team over two legs are out. I
feel that over the course of the season Rafas persistence and pure stubborness in sticking with Kuyt will prove costly. Now i hope im wrong, but i just get that horrible feeling in my stomach, when i think of his first touch!!
Yes he is a work horse, but so is Kevin Kilbane!! Its fecking quality thats needed out wide if we are to make any impact this year.
Keane is working hard and making the runs, but he does need a goal and the further he goes without one the greater the pressure as no doubt the media will be on his back like a shot!!
Kuyt has been a lot more efective at the start of this season than Keane, and that is playing out of position.
Quote from: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 04:07:12 PM
Kuyt has been a lot more efective at the start of this season than Keane, and that is playing out of position.
I would think Keane will improve when he settles as the season goes on, we have seen what Dirk has to offer and it isnt great.
In fairness to Keane Corn the supply of ball particularly from Gerrard has been brutal! I wouldn't be Keane's biggest fan and I would dearly love to see him rattle the net soon but players need to start playing around him. Through no fault of his own, how many times was Torres standing on the left win or right wing kicking balls 10 yards back to Aurelio, Carra etc. If the two boys had fecking support coming down the wings, I honestly think it would be a different story.
When I'm here, just a word on last night. Very lacklustre performance. Again the back four looked shakey and you always felt unease when they run at Carra. Stevie G was horrendous and it was shoot on sight for him for the majority of the game. He was shooting from some ridiculous angles! Yossi did absolutely nothing and offered nothing at all in the position he was playing! If we are being honest with ourselves folks, any decent team would have torn us apart.
Was on holidays recently and a fella was on the plane with me couldn't wait to get home to get to the bookies to put money on Rafa being the first manager out (what are the odds on that by the way?) with everything going on behind the scenes, it certainly not a thing I would rule out.
Quote from: Minder on August 28, 2008, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 04:07:12 PM
Kuyt has been a lot more efective at the start of this season than Keane, and that is playing out of position.
I would think Keane will improve when he settles as the season goes on, we have seen what Dirk has to offer and it isnt great.
Kuyt's record in Europe is surey one of the best I hink it is 9 in the last 14 - mostly from the wing. Superb and with some big goals too.
He needs more in the league, sure, but he scores the winner to make us about 15million and all people do is berate him and say he was lucky (how many goals have been lucky from players). Give the man credit when he deserves it.
Quote from: Minder on August 28, 2008, 01:49:40 PM
I know the "Kuyt problem" has been visited many times but i feel compelled to keep it going. He is not good enough, his goal sums him up, off his knee. He does not have the pace, skill levels or intelligence to play out wide. Liverpool will never win the Premier League when he is atrting the majority of games. I remember a game last year against United, he was chasing ball with Evra, Evra was running about 75% speed and easily beat him to the ball. Nobody doubts his work rate, it is immense but it isnt enough at the highest level.
Minder I really dont get your point about how Kuyts goal sums him up. He done incredibly well to get on the end of that cross, onto the end of a good paced ball past the last defender, after 117minutes of football. What the hell does it matter whether it went in off the front of his foot or his bell-end, a goals a goal and when you're that close in any touch goalwards is paramount, im sure any striker well tell you that.
You and the other haterS would do well to remember he is a striker playing out of position.
Quote from: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 04:25:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 28, 2008, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 04:07:12 PM
Kuyt has been a lot more efective at the start of this season than Keane, and that is playing out of position.
I would think Keane will improve when he settles as the season goes on, we have seen what Dirk has to offer and it isnt great.
Kuyt's record in Europe is surey one of the best I hink it is 9 in the last 14 - mostly from the wing. Superb and with some big goals too.
He needs more in the league, sure, but he scores the winner to make us about 15million and all people do is berate him and say he was lucky (how many goals have been lucky from players). Give the man credit when he deserves it.
Kuyt is beginning to remind me of Garcia. Everyone complains about him but he's gotten into a habit of scoring some important goals just when you've had enough of him.
Quote from: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 04:25:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 28, 2008, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 04:07:12 PM
Kuyt has been a lot more efective at the start of this season than Keane, and that is playing out of position.
I would think Keane will improve when he settles as the season goes on, we have seen what Dirk has to offer and it isnt great.
Kuyt's record in Europe is surey one of the best I hink it is 9 in the last 14 - mostly from the wing. Superb and with some big goals too.
He needs more in the league, sure, but he scores the winner to make us about 15million and all people do is berate him and say he was lucky (how many goals have been lucky from players). Give the man credit when he deserves it.
Jesus Corn that Kuyt is a right bollocks!!
So we've got PSV, Marseille and Atletico Madrid in the CL draw
Thoughts?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 28, 2008, 05:53:50 PM
So we've got PSV, Marseille and Atletico Madrid in the CL draw
Thoughts?
Atletico from the last pot was a bit of a sting in the tail. Was looking fairly straighforward up to then. Still think we'll go through all the same.
Think PSV aren't as strong as they used to be.
Marseille can be handy on their day but we did win over there fairly easily last season when we needed to.
Atletico by all accounts very good going forward but not so good defensively.
Either way we'll have to improve from the Liege games which I think we will.
Nasty enough draw for Liverpool. Atletico was a real sting in the tail and the build up will be all about the Spanish links.
But this could suit Liverpool who will need to take every game as if it's almost a knock-out. Certainly nowhere you could say there's a guaranteed three points or a handy evening.
10 points would be enough to get you through?
Athletico will be very tough.. They used the cash from Torres to build a strong squad
Maniche, Forlan, Motta, Luis Garcia, Simao, Assuncao, Maxi Rodriguez, Pongolle and the big Czech lad at the back with the headband
They would cause problems for anyone.
I think its a ok group,Could have been worse,I think United got a tougher draw..
Liverpool and Madrid to go through
Agree could have been a tougher group, but if this level of performance continues it doesnt really matter who we were grouped with.
I see Lawrenson has tipped Villa to beat Liverpool on Sunday. Unless they improve dramatically, he's going to be right.
rumour has it new stadium isnt going ahead due to lack of funds/credit crunch....
Seems to be more than a rumour.
One report said the bank agreed the give the £350m loan, but only if it got separate guarantees from the yanks for £220m - which it seems they cannot do. The Sheihk awaits in the sidelines.....
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 29, 2008, 09:46:19 AM
rumour has it new stadium isnt going ahead due to lack of funds/credit crunch....
From offical site
Liverpool Football Club have today confirmed that the building of their new stadium will be subject to delay.
A spokesman for the club said: "Our commitment to building a new world class LFC stadium is undiminished. Like many other major development projects in the UK and overseas we are affected by global market conditions and as such work on the project will be delayed in the short term. We will use this period productively and revisit the plans for the stadium to increase its capacity to 73,000 seats."
This is a club facing a massive internal crisis, I predict Rafa out by Christmas as he will not stand for more of last seasons in-fighting
Quote from: Doogie Browser on August 29, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
This is a club facing a massive internal crisis, I predict Rafa out by Christmas as he will not stand for more of last seasons in-fighting
As soon as Schuster hits problems at Real.
so what happens now? Borrowing was secured against future 60k attendances ? The san giro looms large in Kirby..
Maybe we'll ground share with United. Ye could use the rent money too :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 29, 2008, 10:58:43 AM
Maybe we'll ground share with United. Ye could use the rent money too :D
Looks like you could use a decent ground as well :D
I have to say that I fear that Rafa will jump unless the ownership is sorted out. There needs to be a cash rich organization brought in to buy out Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee. A lot will depend on how the results are going on the pitch. If the performances start to pick up and there is a concerted push for the PL then I can see him sticking it out. However, the first glimpse of trouble and he will be ready to jump.
I am not sure though that he would be for Madrid if Schuster is pushed. They didn't take too kindly to the last practical manager, Capello, and he was gone as soon as they could, despite the results. He will go back to Spain but nit to Real.
Anyway, the game on Sunday will be interesting. The touchline shenanigans of Mssrs O'Neill and Benetiz will be a sideshow in themselves.
As Barry walks off after losing 2-0 Rafa walks up and whispers in his ear
"thiz iz sad that you cannot be with your great friend Stevie. But there is time yet. Meet me before midnight and sign. You will be sorry if you don't".
O'neill goes apoplectic and does a Cloughie on Benetiz with a "clip round the lug" and an all out wrestling match starts on the pitch, with Sami scoring some Scandinavian points by clocking Carew. C'mon the Pool!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 29, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
I have to say that I fear that Rafa will jump unless the ownership is sorted out. There needs to be a cash rich organization brought in to buy out Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee. A lot will depend on how the results are going on the pitch. If the performances start to pick up and there is a concerted push for the PL then I can see him sticking it out. However, the first glimpse of trouble and he will be ready to jump.
I am not sure though that he would be for Madrid if Schuster is pushed. They didn't take too kindly to the last practical manager, Capello, and he was gone as soon as they could, despite the results. He will go back to Spain but nit to Real.
Anyway, the game on Sunday will be interesting. The touchline shenanigans of Mssrs O'Neill and Benetiz will be a sideshow in themselves.
As Barry walks off after losing 2-0 Rafa walks up and whispers in his ear
"thiz iz sad that you cannot be with your great friend Stevie. But there is time yet. Meet me before midnight and sign. You will be sorry if you don't".
O'neill goes apoplectic and does a Cloughie on Benetiz with a "clip round the lug" and an all out wrestling match starts on the pitch, with Sami scoring some Scandinavian points by clocking Carew. C'mon the Pool!
you need a ride
Quote from: An Fear Rua on August 29, 2008, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 29, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
I have to say that I fear that Rafa will jump unless the ownership is sorted out. There needs to be a cash rich organization brought in to buy out Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee. A lot will depend on how the results are going on the pitch. If the performances start to pick up and there is a concerted push for the PL then I can see him sticking it out. However, the first glimpse of trouble and he will be ready to jump.
I am not sure though that he would be for Madrid if Schuster is pushed. They didn't take too kindly to the last practical manager, Capello, and he was gone as soon as they could, despite the results. He will go back to Spain but nit to Real.
Anyway, the game on Sunday will be interesting. The touchline shenanigans of Mssrs O'Neill and Benetiz will be a sideshow in themselves.
As Barry walks off after losing 2-0 Rafa walks up and whispers in his ear
"thiz iz sad that you cannot be with your great friend Stevie. But there is time yet. Meet me before midnight and sign. You will be sorry if you don't".
O'neill goes apoplectic and does a Cloughie on Benetiz with a "clip round the lug" and an all out wrestling match starts on the pitch, with Sami scoring some Scandinavian points by clocking Carew. C'mon the Pool!
you need a ride
You're not wrong there. Between the mammy being down and "other" things I am like a man possessed!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 29, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
The touchline shenanigans of Mssrs O'Neill and Benetiz will be a sideshow in themselves.
Couldn't be as good as the game the other night, Benitez and Baloni marking each other on the sideline, Loughnane would have been proud.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 29, 2008, 10:58:43 AM
Maybe we'll ground share with United. Ye could use the rent money too :D
What about a ground sahre with Everton? Seriously, if Inter & AC, Juve & Napoli, Roma & Lazio can do it, I don't see why Red and Blue can't do it. A practical solution to both clubs problems.
QuoteCouldn't be as good as the game the other night, Benitez and Baloni marking each other on the sideline, Loughnane would have been proud.
Twas funny alright. Like two spoiled kids. One rants and the other makes a diving gesture, then 5 mins later the roles are reversed. Benitez would make a good stand in for Gordon Kay as René in Allo Allo if the show is ever run again!
Quote from: Mentalman on August 29, 2008, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 29, 2008, 10:58:43 AM
Maybe we'll ground share with United. Ye could use the rent money too :D
What about a ground sahre with Everton? Seriously, if Inter & AC, Juve & Napoli, Roma & Lazio can do it, I don't see why Red and Blue can't do it. A practical solution to both clubs problems.
Juventus & Torino surely?
It's a fair auld drive from Turin to Naples.
The ground share would obviously be practical but is a none runner. It would be like Celtic/Rangers or Spurs and the Arse they hate each other far too much to have anything to do with each other. Imagine Meath and Dublin having a single home fied, that would be fun.
Re Groudshare, apart from fact that the supporters don't want it and LFC have many parts of the ground to incorporate that would be ailen to Everton eg Shakley/Paisley gates, Hillsborough memorial, Museum, Kop, etc on basis would it be built? 40,000 capacity to suit Everton? They didn't sell out their opening game and the still have season tickets for sale or 60,000+ to suit Liverpool who sell out most games and have thousands on waiting list?
Who pays for what? How are the costs spread 50/50? Don't think either side would agree on it and I'm sure Everton would look to pay Liverpool pay the most. They have less money than us and that says a lot.
Plus would reds want to sit on blue seats or Blues on red seats?
In Italy it works cause it has always been that way and If i'm not mistaken are the grounds owed by local government? Could be wrong.
As for the collapse/delay of building the stadium, it was always on the cards and rumoured on LFC websites this last week. Shows are poorly we are been run and that the owners haven't got the funds needed to run a club. Lots of fans happy as it extends Anfields life and weakens the position of the yanks. With the income of the club restricted to current levels it devalues there "investment" and should encourage DIC to come back in to take over. The yanks may be happen to accept an offer that will give them a profit on the banks....sorry yanks investment.
Long term, stadium needs to be built or the transfer funds will be championship level and CL success will have to be achieved to make a few pound.
Sorry lads, brain fart on Napoli....confusing my port city clubs, Sampdoria and Genoa are another.
Comparison of Celtic/Rangers with Liverpool Everton are way way off the mark. It's not at all uncommon for households in Liverpool to have Everton and Liverpool fans. It's mostly an issue with fans outside the city in my experience - i.e. non scousers. Liverpool and Everton may have been born in secterianism, but that has long since disappeared, unlike Celtic/Rangers.If Lazio and Roma can share, anyone can. As for Meath Dublin, they are not only geographically distinct, but cultural, as in urban/rural, distinct, not a good comparison in my opinion. I mean using the example of Napoli, that's like saying they should share with Salernitana, based 40 or 50 miles away.
Quote from: bingobus on August 29, 2008, 11:52:29 AM
Re Groudshare, apart from fact that the supporters don't want it and LFC have many parts of the ground to incorporate that would be ailen to Everton eg Shakley/Paisley gates, Hillsborough memorial, Museum, Kop, etc on basis would it be built? 40,000 capacity to suit Everton? They didn't sell out their opening game and the still have season tickets for sale or 60,000+ to suit Liverpool who sell out most games and have thousands on waiting list?
Who pays for what? How are the costs spread 50/50? Don't think either side would agree on it and I'm sure Everton would look to pay Liverpool pay the most. They have less money than us and that says a lot.
Plus would reds want to sit on blue seats or Blues on red seats?
In Italy it works cause it has always been that way and If i'm not mistaken are the grounds owed by local government? Could be wrong.
As for the collapse/delay of building the stadium, it was always on the cards and rumoured on LFC websites this last week. Shows are poorly we are been run and that the owners haven't got the funds needed to run a club. Lots of fans happy as it extends Anfields life and weakens the position of the yanks. With the income of the club restricted to current levels it devalues there "investment" and should encourage DIC to come back in to take over. The yanks may be happen to accept an offer that will give them a profit on the banks....sorry yanks investment.
Long term, stadium needs to be built or the transfer funds will be championship level and CL success will have to be achieved to make a few pound.
Hasn't always been that way, it was a proctical solution to ground building problems in Italy, but yes the grounds are owned by the local authority. A shared ground would be constructed, owned and operated by a third party, with the two clubs being long term leasers. As for capacity, it isn't an issue really. I mean are Everton only going to build a ground for their current needs? Amongst the grounds sharing in that list, one club is nearly always bigger than the other. As for what the fans want...when did that ever count when money was involved? Anyway, didn't want to spark another row, as this won't happen, but there is no practical reason for it not to happen.
Quote from: Mentalman on August 29, 2008, 11:54:07 AM
Sorry lads, brain fart on Napoli....confusing my port city clubs, Sampdoria and Genoa are another.
Comparison of Celtic/Rangers with Liverpool Everton are way way off the mark. It's not at all uncommon for households in Liverpool to have Everton and Liverpool fans. It's mostly an issue with fans outside the city in my experience - i.e. non scousers. Liverpool and Everton may have been born in secterianism, but that has long since disappeared, unlike Celtic/Rangers.If Lazio and Roma can share, anyone can. As for Meath Dublin, they are not only geographically distinct, but cultural, as in urban/rural, distinct, not a good comparison in my opinion. I mean using the example of Napoli, that's like saying they should share with Salernitana, based 40 or 50 miles away.
Its not an issue of the fans not confronting each other on a regular basis, they would only actually share the ground twice a year, as they do now. Its more to do the other issues mentioned ie history, funding, repayments etc.
No LFC fan wants on any forums. As for the friendly derby, over the last few years that has far from friendly with plenty of incidents in town after the games.
Also, if/when Everton get relegated this/next season how will they fill or repay the debt ;) ;D
Ps is there no Bitters on this board to defend themselves???
QuoteLiverpool close to Riera signing
Liverpool are close to completing the signing of Albert Riera from Espanyol, according to the Spanish club.
Espanyol say the left-sided winger has travelled to Merseyside for a medical before finalising his switch.
Riera, who had a spell on loan with Manchester City in 2006, has also played for Real Mallorca and Bordeaux.
Reports in Spain suggest the fee would be in the region of £9m, with the 26-year-old having also been courted by Liverpool's Merseyside rivals Everton.
Earlier this week, Espanyol sporting director Paco Herrera claimed that his club had received two offers.
One, believed to be from Everton, met their valuation for the player, while Liverpool were understood to have offered less.
However, reports suggest that the Spain international did not want to move to Goodison Park.
"There is a team which is offering what we have asked and another one which isn't, but the player is interested in the one which is offering the least," Herrera told Spanish newspaper El Mundo Deportivo. "We will not lower our asking price."
In May, Riera was left out of Spain's Euro 2008 squad despite helping the national side qualify for the tournament.
Later that month he stated his intention to leave Espanyol.
"I do not want to be part of a club that does not take care of or protect its players," Riera said.
"I do not know if I will go to Liverpool or any other team.
"It would be best for everyone concerned because I know that my transfer would clearly be beneficial. I do not want to cause any problems."
So all done bar the shouting.
the bitters have drawn Standard Liege in the UEFA Cup. Hopefully they kick them off the Park!
So where does that leave us with a first choice XI for the big games
This is mine
Pepe
Finnan Carra Skertel Aurelio
but he won't play Finnan so we will have to
live with that tool Arbeloa until we get a replacement for Finnan
Babel Mash Stevie G Riera
There's only one Keaneo
El Nino
Keano will be under severe pressure from Kuyt.
Quote from: corn02 on August 29, 2008, 02:38:57 PM
Keano will be under severe pressure from Kuyt.
Do you think so?
Even if his goal drought continues i think Rafa will persist with the Keane/Torres parnership for the bigger games
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 29, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
So where does that leave us with a first choice XI for the big games
This is mine
Pepe
Finnan Carra Skertel Aurelio
Babel Mash Stevie G Riera
There's only one Keaneo
El Nino
Alonso (or Lucas) will be alonglside Mascho for the bigger games, with Gerrard pushed forward. Then two places between Babel, Riera, Keane and Kuyt - probably one between the first two and one place between the latter two.
Keane will be playing folks. I think he has to play to benefit Torres!
Hope to fcuk he scores, SOON!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 29, 2008, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 29, 2008, 02:38:57 PM
Keano will be under severe pressure from Kuyt.
Do you think so?
Even if his goal drought continues i think Rafa will persist with the Keane/Torres parnership for the bigger games
Possibly. Although hopefully Keane breaks the duck at Villa Park. I am a very pro-Kuyt man though, so I may be biased.
Quote from: corn02 on August 29, 2008, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 29, 2008, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 29, 2008, 02:38:57 PM
Keano will be under severe pressure from Kuyt.
Do you think so?
Even if his goal drought continues i think Rafa will persist with the Keane/Torres parnership for the bigger games
Possibly. Although hopefully Keane breaks the duck at Villa Park. I am a very pro-Kuyt man though, so I may be biased.
I would be pro-Kuyt myself but I can't see Keane being anything other than first choice till christmas at the very least
keane will definitely be first choice for the moment. if we get riera, i think the best team will be:
reina
arbeloa carra skrtel aurelio
masch
alonso gerrard riera
keane torres
or maybe a slightly different formation with stevie pushing more forward. but personnel the same.
the bench from: diego, degen, agger, dossena, lucas, benny, babel, kuyt
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2008, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 29, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
So where does that leave us with a first choice XI for the big games
This is mine
Pepe
Finnan Carra Skertel Aurelio
Babel Mash Stevie G Riera
There's only one Keaneo
El Nino
Alonso (or Lucas) will be alonglside Mascho for the bigger games, with Gerrard pushed forward. Then two places between Babel, Riera, Keane and Kuyt - probably one between the first two and one place between the latter two.
I wouldn't agree it will be a fight for places between Keane and Kuyt
reina
arbeloa carra skrtel aurelio
masch alonso
gerrard keane riera
torres
Something more like this perhpas? With swapping in of Dossena, Agger, Lucas, Babel, Kuyt, Beny
Is it safe to say after the pre-season dropping by almost everyone on this board of Carra that he will be first choice centre back along with one of the other two?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 29, 2008, 04:18:31 PM
Is it safe to say after the pre-season dropping by almost everyone on this board of Carra that he will be first choice centre back along with one of the other two?
Ha ha, Is that your version of an "I Told You So" Laoislad. ;)
With Agger just back from injury, I think everyone expected to see Carra & Skrtel start as the number 1 CB pairing. However, if Agger regains his previous form, Carragher will have a battle on his hands to hold onto a CB position.
IMO, the future no.1 partnership will definitely be Agger & Skrtel. It's just a question of when...
Quote from: stevo-08 on August 29, 2008, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 29, 2008, 04:18:31 PM
Is it safe to say after the pre-season dropping by almost everyone on this board of Carra that he will be first choice centre back along with one of the other two?
Ha ha, Is that your version of an "I Told You So" Laoislad. ;)
With Agger just back from injury, I think everyone expected to see Carra & Skrtel start as the number 1 CB pairing. However, if Agger regains his previous form, Carragher will have a battle on his hands to hold onto a CB position.
IMO, the future no.1 partnership will definitely be Agger & Skrtel. It's just a question of when...
Well if its just a question of when then you will be right sometime...Carra can't go on forever ;)
Was always of the opinion that Carra would start more games than the other two, and at centre back, not a believer that he can be anything other than cover at right back.
Doesn't make sense but heres the team
Javier Mascherano makes his first start of the season as Liverpool look to maintain their perfect start in the Barclays Premier League at Villa this afternoon.
The Argentina international comes into the line-up in place of the injured Steven Gerrard as Rafael Benitez makes three change from the side that needed extra-time to see off Standard Liege.
Brazilian Lucas Leiva also features in place of Yossi Benayoun while Andrea Dossena is preferred to Fabio Aurelio at left-back.
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Carragher, Skrtel, Mascherano, Alonso, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Keane. Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Lucas, Babel.
How bad is the Torres injury?
>:( Terrible stuff...
IMHO Rafa was going for the draw from the first minute,Wtf was Keane playing on the wing for at the start and why did he bring on Ngog and not Babel when Torres went of injured...
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 31, 2008, 06:03:36 PM
>:( Terrible stuff...
IMHO Rafa was going for the draw from the first minute,Wtf was Keane playing on the wing for at the start and why did he bring on Ngog and not Babel when Torres went of injured...
Spot on, you could see a mile away Benitez was content with a point, and just hope maybe to nick all three. No pressing whatsoever when Villa had the ball at times. He'll never be a day different though.
Torres hamstring so you'd have to say it'll be three/four weeks.
God that was awful. I only watched the last 20 mins but it was hard going.
QuoteLiverpool swoop for striker Flora
Liverpool have signed Brazilian striker Vitor Flora on a free transfer.
The 18-year-old spent last season playing in his homeland with Botafogo and, as he holds an Italian passport, he does not require a work permit.
However, he will need to gain international clearance before playing for the Reds.
Flora joins fellow countrymen Lucas Leiva and Fabio Aurelio at Anfield and could make his debut for Liverpool reserves on Tuesday night.
The pacey left-footed forward is manager Rafael Benitez's sixth summer signing and the Spaniard is also hopeful of completing a deal for Espanyol winger Albert Riera, 26, before the end of the transfer window on Monday.
Another one for the reserves.......
Quote from: Stalin on September 01, 2008, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 01, 2008, 01:29:13 PM
Another one for the reserves.......
Your point?
Erm that Rafa has brought in another player whom will probably languish in the reserves rather than making an impact on the Premiership or cup competitions. God knows it is needed after the past few performances!
Yeah, dumb move bringing in young players with potential.
Quote from: Stalin on September 01, 2008, 01:44:12 PM
Yeah, dumb move bringing in young players with potential.
I think established players are what is needed Stalin,maybe you disagree? Perhaps you saw the match yesterday and noticed that we are one of the most workmanlike teams around, there is absolutely no creativity. Perhaps Rafa is building for the future, a future he will probably not see at Liverpool. How many Pongolles, Le Tallecs do we need? On a sidenote it shows you the overall strength of the PL if Villa are being touted as most likely to break into the top 4, they are very average.
Bringing in a young talent for free is basically a freeroll; worst case scenario we pay him a paltry wage for two seasons before releasing him. Whats the harm in bringing lads like the young Brazilian?
Rafa is trying to bring in established players as well, look at Riera and Keane for evidence of this. Le Tallec and Pongolle were good prospects when signed (by Houllier might I add), and I think Pongolle has realised at least some of his in the past few seasons. Maybe we will see it up close against Atletico.
Benitez has worked hard to bring in young talent and develop them through the youth and reserves systems, all at a minimal cost. Look at the canter at which the reserves won the league last year. Guthrie moved on for a massive profit. Barragan is improving all the time and we could get him at any time for a fraction of his actual market value. Nemeth etc looking like real talents. In the next few years hopefully more of the reserves will come through or be moved on for a tidy sum. If Rafa gets the road this season, maybe some of the lads on the fringes now will be his testament to the club in a few years time.
In any case it's clear to see what he is trying to achieve. He is realistic about the money available to him and is trying to either better his squad or better his finances through developing these young players.
For all the chat in various media about Liverpool, it does say a lot about the strength of the PL and Villa when Villa couldnt take advantage of Liverpool's disarray/lack of form. They created next to nothing as well.
Not much mention of the success of the zonal marking system yesterday from the Robbie Earles, Andy Grays etc. Up against one of the most aerially potent sides in the league and defended their many set pieces with relative ease.
Finnan gone to Espanyol,Best of luck to him
A great servant to Liverpool FC
Andriy Voronin has today agreed a one year loan deal with German side Hertha Berlin.
The Ukrainian international joined the Reds twelve months ago and has netted six goals in his 27 appearances for the club.
Voronin has so far failed to establish himself as a first choice regular on Merseyside and has taken up the opportunity of spending the next season in the Bundesliga.
Happy, happy days!!!!
Happier if they had actually got some cash for him.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 01, 2008, 04:55:30 PM
Finnan gone to Espanyol,Best of luck to him
A great servant to Liverpool FC
Good luck to Stevie Finnan, some adventure to go on, hope ti works out for him.
Quote from: gawa316 on September 01, 2008, 04:56:30 PM
Andriy Voronin has today agreed a one year loan deal with German side Hertha Berlin.
The Ukrainian international joined the Reds twelve months ago and has netted six goals in his 27 appearances for the club.
Voronin has so far failed to establish himself as a first choice regular on Merseyside and has taken up the opportunity of spending the next season in the Bundesliga.
Happy, happy days!!!!
They should now change all the locks in Melwood and Anfield so the f**ker isn't let back into either place :D
Liverpool have today confirmed Fernando Torres suffered a hamstring tear during the Reds' goalless draw at Aston Villa on Sunday.
The Liverpool striker limped off during the first half of the match and has been forced to withdraw from the Spanish squad for their forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Bosnia and Armenia.
"A scan this afternoon has confirmed a hamstring tear in Fernando's right leg. He is expected to be out for between two and three weeks," said a club spokesman.
Nightmare...bring back the ponytail :P
Quote from: gawa316 on September 01, 2008, 05:36:12 PM
Liverpool have today confirmed Fernando Torres suffered a hamstring tear during the Reds' goalless draw at Aston Villa on Sunday.
The Liverpool striker limped off during the first half of the match and has been forced to withdraw from the Spanish squad for their forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Bosnia and Armenia.
"A scan this afternoon has confirmed a hamstring tear in Fernando's right leg. He is expected to be out for between two and three weeks," said a club spokesman.
Nightmare...bring back the ponytail :P
Just as well the Internationals are next week,I would say he will be back for Man United
Anfield's wasted space could be put to good use
By Paul Doyle
What's the point in moving into a multi-storey mansion if you don't even use all the rooms in your current bungalow? That, perhaps, is the question potential creditors asked Liverpool when the Reds recently came looking for a mortgage for their notional new stadium. By way of answer, Liverpool presumably sat in confused silence, drool slowly seeping from their mouths.
The solution is obvious - which is perhaps why Rafa Benítez refuses to recognise it.
The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway. They could also shorten the pitch by 11 metres, thereby giving an even greater role to one of their most creative players, Pepe Reina.
Not only would this condensed pitch suit Benítez's guileless brand of football, but extra seating could be erected on the rezoned metres, adding thousands to Anfield's capacity, almost rendering a new stadium redundant, and freeing up more money for Benítez to spend on strikers whose lack of pace makes them ideal for conversion into ineffective wingers. If ever one decides to emulate Ryan Babel by saving the side from costly Champions League humiliation with a wonderful cross from near the touchline in the 27th minute of extra-time against Belgian hicks, he can be dropped for the next match so that Robbie Keane can again totter fruitlessly down the channels.
If Fernando Torres then gets injured chasing yet another over-hit pass, Keane can be left marooned on the left while a cut-price import from PSG reserves lurches around up front instead of the £20m striker. His confidence duly shattered, Keane will be ready for redeployment in his preferred position, where, when a punt over the top lands in his path in the 72nd minute, he will dither uncharacteristically and allow someone such as Nigel Reo-Coker to hurtle back and cut him down with an embarrassing last-ditch tackle. Then Keane can be withdrawn - taking the value of the strikers who've left the pitch in the course of the 0-0 draw with a team beaten by Stoke the previous weekend to £50m - and replaced by Yossi Benayoun, who no longer knows where his best position is but is sure that if he does excel he will be benched for the next match.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 01, 2008, 04:55:30 PM
Finnan gone to Espanyol,Best of luck to him
A great servant to Liverpool FC
Seconded, hopefully not a rash decision.
QuoteLiverpool's official website tells the world the news it was massively expecting - Espanyol winger Albert Riera, formerly of Manchester City, has joined on a four-year deal for a fee believed to be about £8m.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7590492.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7590492.stm)
Quote
RAFA THRILLED WITH RIERA SWOOP
Paul Eaton 01 September 2008
Liverpool have confirmed the deadline day signing of Spanish winger Albert Riera from Espanyol.
The Reds have beaten off competition from Premiership opposition to secure the 26-year old on a four year contract.
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez is thrilled to have landed the former Espanyol man and is confident his new recruit will have no problems in adapting to life in Premiership football.
"Riera has the qualities we were looking for," said Benitez. "He's a left footer who normally plays on the left wing, he's good in the air, strong, powerful and a good crosser of the ball.
"He's the kind of player we have been talking about. He can beat players and get good deliveries into the area for our strikers.
"We've known about him for a long time, since he was at Mallorca and then through his career with Bordeaux, Manchester City and Espanyol.
"He can talk English and of course he knows the Premier League, which is a big bonus. Usually foreign players need time when they go to a new country, but Riera already knows the league and the style of football
"He also had offers from other English clubs but he said no to them because he wanted to come and play for us. That means a lot to me because it shows the commitment he has to play for Liverpool."
Riera will wear squad number 11 at Anfield.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N161096080901-1740.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N161096080901-1740.htm)
Liverpool have today confirmed Fernando Torres suffered a hamstring tear during the Reds' goalless draw at Aston Villa on Sunday.
The Liverpool striker limped off during the first half of the match and has been forced to withdraw from the Spanish squad for their forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Bosnia and Armenia.
"A scan this afternoon has confirmed a hamstring tear in Fernando's right leg. He is expected to be out for between two and three weeks," said a club spokesman.
Will miss the United game by the looks of it.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 01, 2008, 06:15:15 PM
Liverpool have today confirmed Fernando Torres suffered a hamstring tear during the Reds' goalless draw at Aston Villa on Sunday.
The Liverpool striker limped off during the first half of the match and has been forced to withdraw from the Spanish squad for their forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Bosnia and Armenia.
"A scan this afternoon has confirmed a hamstring tear in Fernando's right leg. He is expected to be out for between two and three weeks," said a club spokesman.
Will miss the United game by the looks of it.
To be honest i believe thats only said so he won't be allowed to go on the international break,I reckon he'll be back for United match
Looks like Pennant stays. He turned down a move to Stoke, and it seems nobody else would stump up the cash.
exiled, totally agree with your post. i despair as to the way team is being set out to play. i am firmly in the "lost all faith in rafa camp"
Jamie Carragher exclusive: I want to be Liverpool's manager.. I just hope Fergie's still around to be knocked off his perch
By Brian Reade 2/09/2008
The Liverpool skipper reveals why he has unfinished business at Anfield
There is one ambition more than any other which drives Jamie Carragher on: "To knock Sir Alex Ferguson off his f****** perch".
To consign Manchester United to a title wilderness, just as Fergie did to Liverpool.
And if he achieves it he doesn't want to be wearing a red shirt with 23 on his back, but a suit and tie.
Because although Carragher is confident he will win the Premier League as a Liverpool player, his real desire is to win it as a manager. And set up a new Anfield dynasty.
"It would be more of an achievement as manager because it would come about through my decisions," says the 30-year-old, talking in his restaurant Cafe Sports England ahead of the launch of his book: Carra My Autobiography.
"It's like the ultimate football man's dream to be better than Ferguson because he is the master.
"I just hope he hangs around long enough to wait for me."
If Carragher's desire to finish his coaching badges and set about the enemy as Liverpool manager comes as a pleasant surprise to Kopites, his motives may not.
The ambition to emulate Anfield's biggest bogeyman is not down to hatred - but respect.
"I've got more respect for Ferguson than anyone else in the game. He's like a Scouser, really.
"He's funny, doesn't mind telling people to f*** off, and he even votes Labour. I love him."
As the most high-profile convert on Merseyside, Carragher is well used to looking clinically at both sides of a tribal divide and telling it like it is.
That is why Evertonians will be shocked to learn how the one-time self-confessed 'Biggest Blue in Bootle' now wants to beat Everton more than any other side.
"Losing the derby is worse than losing any other game. My passion has gone full circle. I was made up on the first day of the season when Blackburn scored that late winner at Goodison. We were getting ready to play Sunderland and it gave me a big lift."
This from the 11-year-old who, when Michael Thomas scored the last-gasp winner at Anfield in 1989 to deny Liverpool the title, celebrated in delirious fashion, applauding lads who scrawled "Thank You Arsenal" on the wall of a Bootle pub.
"I was a total Everton fanatic right through my childhood and teens," says the defender who went on to play over 500 games for Liverpool.
"Everton controlled my life and dominated my thoughts 24/7. I went to the away games, followed them across Europe and in the mid-80s went to Wembley so often it began to feel like Alton Towers.
"When I talk about that Everton team I still say 'we'. Even when I was playing for Liverpool reserves I'd want Everton's first team to win the derby every time."
His change from fanatical Blue to passionate Red was gradual. The more he established himself at Anfield the more he found himself defending Liverpool against Evertonian jibes. But one incident signified the death of his Everton love affair.
In January 1999 after Liverpool had thrown away a lead at Old Trafford and were knocked out of the FA Cup by two late goals, he walked into his local Bootle pub The Chaucer, expecting banter but also sympathy. What he got was laughter and derision. "I was drained and demoralised that day and good mates didn't think twice about treating me like any other 'dirty Kopite'.
"And that did it for me. I couldn't take it any more. People who I thought loved me, were getting off on my misery. The penny dropped. I turned around and walked out.
"They hadn't done anything wrong. They were just being themselves and they're still my mates. But it was over. When I walked out of that pub I turned my back on Everton for good."
Any doubts he may have had about making the wrong decision vanished in the increasingly ugly atmosphere of the Merseyside derbies when mates like Steven Gerrard and Robbie Fowler were subjected to loud personal abuse.
"I hate what they sing about Steven and his family.
"It's disgusting and goes way beyond the kind of banter that's acceptable in life, not just football.
Robbie suffered the same type of scandalous taunts which really hurt him and his family. I'm not saying Liverpool fans are blameless because they're not. They dish out abuse during games with our rivals too. But it ends when the game ends.
"Evertonians spread the lies around the streets of Liverpool and chant them whether they're playing us, Reading or Portsmouth.
"I even hear it on the telly when they're playing away in Europe and I think that could be my family they're singing about."
Carragher has more reason than most players to demand respect for the family. When his mother Paula was pregnant with him, she was told he had spina bifida and given the option of an abortion.
The staunch Catholic woman refused, and the love she showed still moves Jamie deeply today.
"She was willing to bring up a disabled child. She was prepared to sacrifice her life for me. I owe everything I've ever done in the past 30 years to that decision."
It turned out he did not have spina bifida but a condition called gastroschisis, and was born with his bowels outside his stomach (it's why he has a big scar there and no belly button) and spent his first six weeks battling for survival in hospital.
And he has never stopped battling since. As a kid his hatred of giving in and his all-out desire to succeed became a problem. He was a better player than everyone around him and he would let them know.
"I couldn't understand or accept that others weren't as good and I couldn't get off their backs. I was always getting dragged aside by managers and told to treat my team-mates better. It still happens today. Rafa often pulls me up about being too harsh on other players.
"I've had to send a text message to Pepe Reina apologising for what I'd said during a game. I say things to players and afterwards think 'what have I done?' And sometimes after I've had a stand-up row I think 'Oh God, do they hate me?' "But I can't let people around me switch off. Having said that, if someone tells me what to do on the pitch there's a good chance they'll get told to f*** off. That's my job," he says, laughing.
It may surprise those familiar with Carragher's career statistics to learn that as a teenager he was a prolific striker who played up front for England schoolboys and started there for the reserves at Anfield.
During the run towards FA Youth Cup glory in 1996 he dropped into midfield then centre-back, his natural position. "Compared to John Terry, Rio Ferdinand or Ledley King, I'm not that big, quick or strong. It's my reading of the game that'smy biggest strength. I love to pull the strings, drive everyone on." If Gerrard is the heart of Liverpool, Carragher is its soul.
He epitomises the Scouse spirit in a team packed with foreigners. And although he believes the foreign invasion has benefited English club football, he feels it has gone too far.
"There's definitely too many foreigners in the game. What's the point of spending all this money on the academies if we're not pushing local kids through? Liverpool FC is our club. It's a big part of our city and you've got to give young Scousers with aspirations the chance to succeed.
"It's not just football. I've got two brothers who find it hard to work in Liverpool in this Capital of Culture year. One of the reasons is we've made it too easy for foreigners to come here and take the jobs."
His passion for his city and his people is immense. "If I was given the choice between winning the World Cup with England or doing what we did in Istanbul, I'd take Istanbul simply because I know how much it meant to Liverpool.
"People have told me that we gave them the greatest night of their lives and if they died next week they'd die happy. That's some thought."
He married Nicola, his Bootle childhood sweetheart, three years ago and they have two kids James, 5, and Mia, 4. Nicola, three years younger than Jamie, was his first and only girlfriend, and he finally plucked up the courage to ask her out when he was 18.
His reasoning: "Why chase the rest when you can wait for the best?"
Loyalty is a big word in Carragher's vocabulary. During the frenzy over Gerrard's possible move to Chelsea in 2005, he was asked if he would ever leave for a club bigger than Liverpool.
His response was immediate: "Where's bigger than Liverpool?"
But he is under no illusion about the warped spin many modern fans place on loyalty. The lowest point in his career came in the second season under Gerard Houllier after the French manager brought in centre-backs Sami Hyypia and Stephane Henchoz.
"I'd just been voted Player of the Year but didn't start the season very well and fans were calling for Henchoz to play in my position.
"I thought 'hang on, a few games ago I was your best player'. I was only 21 back then and I struggled to get my head round it.
"It angered me and it took a while to get myself together after that.
"When the fans eventually started singing about dreaming of a team of Carraghers I thought 'you weren't singing that six years ago'.
"I'm under no illusion. No matter what I've done over the years as soon as someone better comes along it'll be 'f*** Carra off'. But that's football.
"People go on about how loyal I am to Liverpool. But it's not a question of loyalty. It's a question of 'where am I going to go from Liverpool?' "We're one of the best teams in the world and I'm playing every week.
"I'm not saying I want to leave Liverpool, but if Liverpool weren't that good and a great team like Real Madrid or Barcelona came in for me I might go, because I've always driven myself to play at the best level I can."
So what does the future hold for Jamie Carragher? "I've got three years left on my contract and I want to be playing 50 games a season.
"There's competition for my place and I'm prepared to fight for that because I've been fighting all my life.
"There will always be technically better players around than me, but no-one will be able to match my passion or drive. I'll be fighting for another contract after this one and I'll be happy then to accept 25 games a season."
And if, after that, Fergie is still sitting on his perch, he had better watch out.
Blackburn had a bid of £4m accepted for Pennant. But they couldnt agree personal terms.
Here's Balague's thoughts on Riera. He should have a decent idea of what he's like as he's an Espanyol fan.
Well guys, let me start by saying that, when he is on form, Albert Riera can be one of the best left wingers in Europe. I'd even go as far as saying that, on his best days, he is the best left winger in Europe. I do realise that this is quite a claim and I must stress that this is only something that we will see when he is on form, playing in an attacking wide position, confident and happy.
Unfortunately, that form can suffer: Riera is someone who can struggle with consistency, he will constantly need an arm around his shoulders and be made to feel important if any manager wants to get the best out of him. He started last term at Espanyol in fabulous form, but without receiving that kind of attention, his form can dip dramatically, as it did over the second half of the season. He's even been known to put on some excess weight if his confidence suffers or he loses focus.
To avoid that happening, and to get the very best out of him, he therefore needs to feel that he is a key player and cannot spend to long keeping the bench warm. Thankfully, I don't think that will happen at Liverpool: as someone close to the manager told me, 'If anyone is going straight in to the side, it's Riera - we simply don't have a better option for the left wing.'
Riera has a powerful shot that is particularly effective from outside the box, he is a strong header of the ball and he is capable of taking on and beating defenders: in spite of not being the quickest around.
If there is one criticism of his play, it is that he often spends too long on the ball. His natural position is as a winger in a 4-2-3-1 formation and, if he does end up playing in a 4-4-2, then Rafa will need to be constantly on top of him to remind him of his defensive responsibilities: Albert isn't particularly fond of tracking back.
However, the Liverpool coach knows all about him - his strengths and his weaknesses - and will be fully prepared to get the best out of him, I'm sure. And, as Riera told me when he signed, he has joined Liverpool because he wants to 'learn to be a better player under Rafa Benitez.'
Something similar to Laurent Robert by sounds of him..
Interesting interview with Carragher in the paper this morning. Surprised this quote wasn't seized upon
Quote"It's not just football. I've got two brothers who find it hard to work in Liverpool in this Capital of Culture year. One of the reasons is we've made it too easy for foreigners to come here and take the jobs."
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on September 02, 2008, 11:05:58 PM
Interesting interview with Carragher in the paper this morning. Surprised this quote wasn't seized upon Quote"It's not just football. I've got two brothers who find it hard to work in Liverpool in this Capital of Culture year. One of the reasons is we've made it too easy for foreigners to come here and take the jobs."
I noticed that when reading the article.
I think Jamie should stick to the football.
Shock....Horror
Jamie Carragher in racist rant
Let's be honest, he obviously isnt very diplomatic & is only repeating what a lot of other people are thinking
Quote from: full back on September 03, 2008, 08:54:37 AM
Shock....Horror
Jamie Carragher in racist rant
Let's be honest, he obviously isnt very diplomatic & is only repeating what a lot of other people are thinking
No doubt the usual suspects will be up in arms and we will have a photo of Carragher outside the Shankly Gates presenting young Khalid with a signed jersey................
Could nobody just tell him to shut the f**k up and just play football.
Quote from: EC Unique on September 03, 2008, 09:48:52 AM
Could nobody just tell him to shut the f**k up and just play football.
I know its very rare to see a footballer in the papers, they are usually very low profile.........
Quote from: full back on September 03, 2008, 08:54:37 AM
Shock....Horror
Jamie Carragher in racist rant
Let's be honest, he obviously isnt very diplomatic & is only repeating what a lot of other people are thinking
Agree with that. Just surprised he said it, although with an autobiog out maybe he thought- or his agent- publicity! Seems to be a fairly honest, straight forward fella. A bit like his style of play I suppose.
Quote from: Minder on September 03, 2008, 09:41:51 AM
Quote from: full back on September 03, 2008, 08:54:37 AM
Shock....Horror
Jamie Carragher in racist rant
Let's be honest, he obviously isnt very diplomatic & is only repeating what a lot of other people are thinking
No doubt the usual suspects will be up in arms and we will have a photo of Carragher outside the Shankill Gates presenting young Khalid with a signed jersey................
Shankill Gates?
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2008, 10:18:26 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 03, 2008, 09:41:51 AM
Quote from: full back on September 03, 2008, 08:54:37 AM
Shock....Horror
Jamie Carragher in racist rant
Let's be honest, he obviously isnt very diplomatic & is only repeating what a lot of other people are thinking
No doubt the usual suspects will be up in arms and we will have a photo of Carragher outside the Shankill Gates presenting young Khalid with a signed jersey................
Shankill Gates?
F*uk me just noticed that, freudian slip.......Its too early........
Quote from: Minder on September 03, 2008, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on September 03, 2008, 09:48:52 AM
Could nobody just tell him to shut the f**k up and just play football.
I know its very rare to see a footballer in the papers, they are usually very low profile.........
I don't mean about being in the paper, I mean if this is the kind of rubbish he is going to come out with he would just be better keeping it to himself :-X Surely you can't defend this crap. :-\ Take off the tinted glasses and read it again.
Quote from: EC Unique on September 03, 2008, 10:37:45 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 03, 2008, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on September 03, 2008, 09:48:52 AM
Could nobody just tell him to shut the f**k up and just play football.
I know its very rare to see a footballer in the papers, they are usually very low profile.........
I don't mean about being in the paper, I mean if this is the kind of rubbish he is going to come out with he would just be better keeping it to himself :-X Surely you can't defend this crap. :-\ Take off the tinted glasses and read it again.
Defend? Did it offend you. At best he has been naive and his agent was not there to vet the questions i.e.
Allowed "Favourite TV programme - Only Fools And Horses,
Not Allowed " Did you s*ag that stripper at the Xmas party a few years back?"..............Honestly when a footballer from any club is being interviewed it is an excellent oppurtunity to either hit the mute button or turn over, they have nothing to say that i havent heard a thousand times before.............
QuoteSale of Liverpool likely to be sooner rather than later
Oliver Kay
The Arab invasion of the Barclays Premier League seems certain to continue, with Liverpool's American owners weakening in their resistance to selling the club to Sheikh Mohammed, the ruler of Dubai. Tom Hicks vetoed an attempted sale by George Gillett Jr, his co-chairman at Anfield, this year, but the American tycoons are expected to return to the negotiating table as an unforgiving financial climate takes a toll on their ambitions for the club.
Hicks maintains that he will not sell Liverpool, but the Texan is known to be troubled by the financial storm that has engulfed him and Gillett in the past 12 months. Last week, they blamed the credit crunch for the postponement of building work on a proposed 60,000-capacity stadium in Stanley Park and, with the Premier League stakes raised further by the Abu Dhabi royal family's imminent takeover at Manchester City, Hicks and Gillett are close to conceding that they do not have the resources to fulfil the ambitions they had when they bought Liverpool in February 2007.
There remains a £400 million-plus offer on the table from Sheikh Mohammed, who is leading the bid that was being driven by Dubai International Capital, the private-equity investment arm of the Dubai Government, when Hicks blocked Gillett's attempted sale this year. Hicks is known to be more open to selling Liverpool, but the two sides remain some way apart in their valuation of the club.
Hicks and Gillett are aware that the £350 million refinancing deal they secured through the Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia a little more than seven months ago is up for renewal on January 25 next year and that the banks are not certain to grant them the option of a six-month extension. They must decide by January whether to try to prop up their regime for a further six months, or to sell.
The takeover of City could have a knock-on effect, with Liverpool facing greater competition to qualify for next season's Champions League. The club have annual interest payments of £30 million, which last season's revenue of about £20 million from European competition went a long way towards clearing.
Increased competition from an opponents with seemingly unlimited financial resources is likely to heighten the anxiety of Liverpool's owners, who kept a tight hold of the purse strings this summer in the belief that Rafael Benítez's squad was good enough to compete for the Premier League title and at very least to secure the top-four finish that would lead to next season's Champions League. Liverpool's net spend this summer was approximately £18 million, but Benítez remains aggrieved that the board vetoed an £18 million deal to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa.
more reports are coming in that dic have tabled a new offer of near 500 euros!!
Quote from: Hank Everlast on September 03, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
more reports are coming in that dic have tabled a new offer of near 500 euros!!
Fcuk it i am gonna outbid them.......
Quote from: Hank Everlast on September 03, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
more reports are coming in that dic have tabled a new offer of near 500 euros!!
Im not convinced thats a typo
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOUS5tQ3Qw
To quote Van the Man, "wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time"
Still love that effort by Steve McMahon on the sideline against Arsenal. Serious stuff.
And oh for a John Barnes playing out on the left such skill and ability to put a ball exactly where it needed to be. Beardsley wasn't bad at it either!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 04, 2008, 09:29:48 AM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOUS5tQ3Qw
To quote Van the Man, "wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time"
Cant access Youtube from work, is it the one from the 87/88 season where the ball is rolling out but Mc Mahon keeps it in and sets up a goal fro Aldo?
Yep that's the one. That was a serious side. Steve Nicol scoring a hattrick against the toon! Hansen, McMahon, Beardsley, Aldridge, Barnes, Houghton et al.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2008, 11:28:47 AM
Yep that's the one. That was a serious side. Steve Nicol scoring a hattrick against the toon! Hansen, McMahon, Beardsley, Aldridge, Barnes, Houghton et al.
FA Cup final ruined that whole year, that and Everton stopping them setting a new unbeaten record of 30 (i think) league games........! Saw Aldridge interviewe on ESPN a month or two ago talking about that season, he said losing to Wimbledon hit them badly and took a lot of gloss off that season even though it was one of the best Liverpool teams.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2008, 11:28:47 AM
Yep that's the one. That was a serious side. Steve Nicol scoring a hattrick against the toon! Hansen, McMahon, Beardsley, Aldridge, Barnes, Houghton et al.
Unreal team, my first visit to Anfield was against QPR, the game where Barnes scored against Seaman in the clip. That was simply the best team I ever saw, bar none and that included AC Milan with Gullit et al. I reckon if it hadn't have been for the ban the would have lifted at least 2 more European Cups.
Some great stuff there. I remember receiving a video for my birthday when I was 11 or 12 - it was put out by the BBC - and it was called Liverpool - Team of the Decade
Best present I ever received
A team of great players, and two geniuses, Barnes and Beardsley - and both had the great attribute of playing for the team rather than for themselves.
Has anyone been reading any of the excerpts from Carragher's book?
I don't know what the entire book is like, but from the few little bits I've read, he seems like a bit of a tosser. Maybe the bigger picture will be more flattering, as serializers obviously pick out the juicy or controversial bits.
Quote from: J70 on September 05, 2008, 04:03:54 AM
Has anyone been reading any of the excerpts from Carragher's book?
I don't know what the entire book is like, but from the few little bits I've read, he seems like a bit of a tosser. Maybe the bigger picture will be more flattering, as serializers obviously pick out the juicy or controversial bits.
Whats he been saying?
I am reading Ian Rush's autobiography at the minute, well worth a look & what a player. The thing about Carragher and any Premiership player that is playing for his hometown team, they are not cartoon characters. Some fans believe that Carragher would play for nothing but i think he mentions in his book if Liverpool were not a big club he would have moved somewhere else. What is it they say if you want someone to remain your hero dont meet them...........
Gerrard came across like a bit of a pr**k in his book too. Reading Robbie Fowler's at the minute before buying Carraghers.
Agreed J70 - the Song and Neil stories made him look like a prat.
Gerrads is a bit dry
Fowlers is excellent - one of ME favourite . ;)
Quote from: gawa316 on September 05, 2008, 08:42:01 AM
Quote from: J70 on September 05, 2008, 04:03:54 AM
Has anyone been reading any of the excerpts from Carragher's book?
I don't know what the entire book is like, but from the few little bits I've read, he seems like a bit of a tosser. Maybe the bigger picture will be more flattering, as serializers obviously pick out the juicy or controversial bits.
Whats he been saying?
As Corn said, look up the stories on Rigobert Song and Lucas Neill. The Neill one is particularly disturbing as he says that a bunch of his mates saw Neill shortly after he broke Carragher's leg and were going to attack him except for the fact that former Liverpool player David Thompson was with Neill at the time. It seems Carragher asked them not to do it because Thompson was there. Maybe he was just getting a dig in at Neill and would have told his mates to get a grip anyway, but its hard to tell from the excerpt. The Song one is maybe more harmless, but he essentially says he took him out in training because Song, who was a rival for a first team place, apparently was sniggering with some of the other players when Carragher got an England call-up. There was also the comment about his brothers finding it hard to get work because of all the foreigners coming in and taking their jobs!
'When my leg was broken in an horrific tackle by Lucas Neill in September 2003, my mates were ready to hunt him down if I gave the go-ahead.
'A few weeks later I received a phone call. "You won't believe this, Jay. We're in the Trafford Centre and Lucas Neill is walking straight towards us. What do you reckon?"
'Did I really want Neill to take a crack? "There's only one problem," added the voice. "Little Davey Thommo is with him."
'That was that. I could hardly let one of my best mates, David Thompson, now a Blackburn player, become a witness to an assault. Besides he'd have recognised the attackers. The impromptu mission was aborted and I sent a text to Thommo telling him Neill should give him a hug of thanks.
'As word got back to Blackburn about the near miss, or should that be hit, their coach Terry Darracott, a Scouser, appealed to one of my friends to call the boys off. I agreed.'
I wonder what Keane (Roy) makes of this.......
I don't get the Keane reference AFR?
QuoteI wonder what Keane (Roy) makes of this.......
Or what the high moral grounders who castigated him for his bit about Haaland in his book think about it? No doubt they'll be along shortly to begin the wringing of hands fest.
Roy the Boy got banned and fined for saying in his book he wanted to hurt Haaland
While ther eis a mountain of difference between Keane and the Carragher situation, he has come across as a bit of a prat in the Mirror the last few days.
what the f**k is he talking about? A Hit??????????? Carragher could not 'HIT' a pass to the midfielders right never mind get his mates to take Neill down.
is our kid Carragher in the Liverpool mob? all sitting about saying Calm down, and lets get Terry, Garry and Barry to take Lucus Neill out........ brillant
Quote from: corn02 on September 05, 2008, 03:53:11 PM
While ther eis a mountain of difference between Keane and the Carragher situation, he has come across as a bit of a prat in the Mirror the last few days.
Roy Keane writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
Carragher writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
as you say, a mountain of difference
These quotes are doing exactly what they are supposed to, stirring up interest in the book, the cost is carragher is to come across as a twat, im sure he is overly bothered.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on September 05, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on September 05, 2008, 03:53:11 PM
While ther eis a mountain of difference between Keane and the Carragher situation, he has come across as a bit of a prat in the Mirror the last few days.
Roy Keane writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
Carragher writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
as you say, a mountain of difference
These quotes are doing exactly what they are supposed to, stirring up interest in the book, the cost is carragher is to come across as a t**t, im sure he is overly bothered.
Did Carragher "do him"? Or am I missing something? In any event I thought Keane's ban was a joke, but I don't see these as comparable - i.e. Keane is injured by the player, does him at the first opportunity, then writes about hows he intended to in his book. Carra gets injured by the player, does nothing about it, and then writes in his bio how his firends were going to do something about it? Seems to me at least Keane was prepared to do his own dirty work?
Quote from: Mentalman on September 05, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
Did Carragher "do him"? Or am I missing something? In any event I thought Keane's ban was a joke, but I don't see these as comparable - i.e. Keane is injured by the player, does him at the first opportunity, then writes about hows he intended to in his book. Carra gets injured by the player, does nothing about it, and then writes in his bio how his firends were going to do something about it? Seems to me at least Keane was prepared to do his own dirty work?
you are referencing the wrong quote mental man
its this one
"After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.
One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.
There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.
He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.
He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.
Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.
"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft t**t?" I said as he hobbled away.
Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again."
Quote from: An Fear Rua on September 05, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on September 05, 2008, 03:53:11 PM
While ther eis a mountain of difference between Keane and the Carragher situation, he has come across as a bit of a prat in the Mirror the last few days.
Roy Keane writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
Carragher writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
as you say, a mountain of difference
These quotes are doing exactly what they are supposed to, stirring up interest in the book, the cost is carragher is to come across as a t**t, im sure he is overly bothered.
Eh your going to have to point us to where Carragher did him. So as I say a mountain of difference.
Ah I also thought you were on about the Neil incident.
Yeah you have more of a point there. I suppose the fact that it was an opposing player might be a factor but I see where your coming from. He does say he went and won a 50/50 ball and just went in hard he did not do a keane and go for his leg though.
Quote from: corn02 on September 05, 2008, 05:57:04 PM
Quote from: An Fear Rua on September 05, 2008, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on September 05, 2008, 03:53:11 PM
While ther eis a mountain of difference between Keane and the Carragher situation, he has come across as a bit of a prat in the Mirror the last few days.
Roy Keane writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
Carragher writes in his book- The first chance I got, I did him
as you say, a mountain of difference
These quotes are doing exactly what they are supposed to, stirring up interest in the book, the cost is carragher is to come across as a t**t, im sure he is overly bothered.
Eh your going to have to point us to where Carragher did him. So as I say a mountain of difference.
Keane was banned for bringing the game into disrepute for deliberatly setting out to injure a player and then writing about it in his book.
From the above quote Carragher deliberatly set out to injure a player and wrote about it in his book.
Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.Are you dutch? :P :P
Quote from: An Fear Rua on September 05, 2008, 05:56:55 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on September 05, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
Did Carragher "do him"? Or am I missing something? In any event I thought Keane's ban was a joke, but I don't see these as comparable - i.e. Keane is injured by the player, does him at the first opportunity, then writes about hows he intended to in his book. Carra gets injured by the player, does nothing about it, and then writes in his bio how his firends were going to do something about it? Seems to me at least Keane was prepared to do his own dirty work?
your referencing the wrong quote mental man
its this one
"After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.
One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.
There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.
He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.
He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.
Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.
"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft t**t?" I said as he hobbled away.
Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again."
Sorry AFR, your right I'm worng. Feck all difference there to my eyes. Can he get suspended for doing his own player in training - could be a lot of suspensions for that! But I suppose Keane's was for bringing the game into disrupute by revealing his thoughts/motivations in his book, so Carra could be in bother.
Quote from: Mentalman on September 05, 2008, 06:02:28 PM
Sorry AFR, your right I'm worng. Feck all difference there to my eyes. Can he get suspended for doing his own player in training - could be a lot of suspensions for that! But I suppose Keane's was for bringing the game into disrupute by revealing his thoughts/motivations in his book, so Carra could be in bother.
he could also be in bother for the remarks re foreign nationals, and the neil incident too.
Im not going to advocate a ban for the song thing, It was wrong when it happened to Keane, and it would be wrong again. But the FA have to be consistent , dont they....?
Quote from: An Fear Rua on September 05, 2008, 06:05:25 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on September 05, 2008, 06:02:28 PM
Sorry AFR, your right I'm worng. Feck all difference there to my eyes. Can he get suspended for doing his own player in training - could be a lot of suspensions for that! But I suppose Keane's was for bringing the game into disrupute by revealing his thoughts/motivations in his book, so Carra could be in bother.
he could also be in bother for the remarks re foreign nationals, and the neil incident too.
Im not going to advocate a ban for the song thing, It was wrong when it happened to Keane, and it would be wrong again. But the FA have to be consistent , dont they....?
The Neil thing made him sound like a bit of a scally to be honest - bullsh!t and bravado. The foreign national remarks, although probably widely held views, were wrong on any number of fronts. As for the FA, when I think of the likes if Alan Shearer, I think we all know how consistent they are. The key difference being Keane was Irish. But you never know, seeing as Carra has refused selection for England squads. I have to say I'm disappointed in some of the stuff that's come out, but maybe I expected too much.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on September 05, 2008, 05:56:55 PM
your referencing the wrong quote mental man
its this one
"After I established myself at right-back, our African defender Rigobert Song found himself out of the team and our previously healthy relationship instantly deteriorated.
One morning in training he was told I'd been called into the England squad after performing well at full-back.
There was a look of astonishment on Song's face - a bit like the one we used to give him when he claimed he was only 21.
He might as well have blurted out he thought I wasn't good enough for international football.
He strolled off to his French speaking friends and began talking to them. I could see him pointing towards me while everyone was grinning. It was clear what he was saying and the rage inside me simmered.
Later, Song walked on to the training pitch with a smile on his face. He was limping off it with a grimace an hour later. The first chance I got, I did him. Never have I hunted down a 50-50 tackle with greater appetite.
"You're not f***ing laughing now are you, you soft t**t?" I said as he hobbled away.
Did I care he had a knock? No way. I don't remember him or anyone else in the squad for that matter trying to take the piss out of my ability again."
In fairness AFR, when you made the Keane comparison, the quotes you used were about the Neill incident not the Song one.
But anyway, like metalman, im very disappointed with Carragher. He should shut his mouth and concentrate on the football, he'll have his job cut out keeping his position in the team this season and doesnt need this kind of publicity. As for the FA taking action, I honestly thought keane was only saying what goes on every other week in the PL ie. one player deliberately trying to injure another during a game. He just got punished for being honest enough to put it down on paper. Similarly with Carra - ok training session incidents wouldnt be quite as common but they do occur and not just in soccer.
I'd be more concerned about the foreign national comments & the almost thuggish behaviour towards Neill, rather than the training ground incident with Song.
But like I said, he should just keep his trap shut.
The extracs have certably shone him in a light that see motu of character for the man.
It is hard to argue with the Keane similarirty - the only thing ishe went for a 50/50 ball - so that woul make it different and save his bacon.
Cant understand why players that are still playing take out books before they retire. Surely they are only inviting trouble?
Just like to say to all u scousers out there , looks like another bad long boring season for u boys, my heart goe's out to u all from thee red devil on the falls . R keane , 19 mil for that who is well past his sell by date , bad ,business from Rafa the t**ker man, ohhhhh does not look good for him. Also remember there is only 1 R keane and hid first name is Roy ;D and then u guys lost out to the arabs , must be kicking ursevles . Then to fake the Steven Gerrard injury so that he could be fit for the Man U match . I smell fear in ur camp. Be wary the Devils r coming 8)
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on September 06, 2008, 08:12:56 PM
Just like to say to all u scousers out there , looks like another bad long boring season for u boys, my heart goe's out to u all from thee red devil on the falls . R keane , 19 mil for that who is well past his sell by date , bad ,business from Rafa the t**ker man, ohhhhh does not look good for him. Also remember there is only 1 R keane and hid first name is Roy ;D and then u guys lost out to the arabs , must be kicking ursevles . Then to fake the Steven Gerrard injury so that he could be fit for the Man U match . I smell fear in ur camp. Be wary the Devils r coming 8)
Which reply to use? "Isn't it past your bedtime?", "Been drinking?", "This isn't a text message", "Need a dictionary?", or "The site you need is here www.hoganstand.com (http://www.hoganstand.com)".
All of the above.
Any of yee read the Sunday World yesterday? Rafa got a serious touch :o
Quote from: EC Unique on September 08, 2008, 09:29:21 AM
Any of yee read the Sunday World yesterday? Rafa got a serious touch :o
Roy Curtis has been on Rafa's back since day one. A joke of a journalist. Heis argument was very poor, basically saying that the CL success counts for little on the basis that any team in a cup competition can have its day, he backed this up by saying Greece have won the Euro's and that Millwall, West Ham, Portsmouth, Cardiff have all receached the FA cup final in recent years. These are once off runs for these teams, Liverpool have been in the last 4 of the CL on 3 occassions under Rafa. Hardly comparably to a cup run in a competition where a lot of the bigger teams don't take too serious.
Benitez also won the CL with another man's team which he inherited. He can't take too much credit esp given his ineptitude in the transfer market since then.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 08, 2008, 09:39:27 AM
Benitez also won the CL with another man's team which he inherited. He can't take too much credit esp given his ineptitude in the transfer market since then.
...apart from Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel and Reina of course
QuoteBenitez also won the CL with another man's team which he inherited. He can't take too much credit esp given his ineptitude in the transfer market since then.
...apart from Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel and Reina of course
Granted but Torres & Mascherano's quality were never in doubt even before they joined Livepool.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 08, 2008, 09:47:19 AM
QuoteBenitez also won the CL with another man's team which he inherited. He can't take too much credit esp given his ineptitude in the transfer market since then.
...apart from Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel and Reina of course
Granted but Torres & Mascherano's quality were never in doubt even before they joined Livepool.
While most of us jumped up and down when Torres signed, there were lots of people who had misgivings about him, that he was only suited to be a big man at a (relatively) small club and he couldnt do it in big games (in particular a reputation of always playing poorly v Real Madrid). And (bizarrely) Mascho couldnt get his game at West Ham!!
QuoteWhile most of us jumped up and down when Torres signed, there were lots of people who had misgivings about him
Don't worry about it. Every team has them!
Quote from: Hound on September 08, 2008, 09:53:08 AM
While most of us jumped up and down when Torres signed, there were lots of people who had misgivings about him, that he was only suited to be a big man at a (relatively) small club
Sure he still is ;)
Quote from: full back on September 08, 2008, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 08, 2008, 09:53:08 AM
While most of us jumped up and down when Torres signed, there were lots of people who had misgivings about him, that he was only suited to be a big man at a (relatively) small club
Sure he still is ;)
Scorch! Pow!
Rafa on the LFC website:
Quote"I don't have any problem with the pressure. But if people analyse the situation properly, it's changed a lot because other teams are signing big players."
He added: "I'm surprised by some things people have said. When I spent a lot of money on Torres, he couldn't play for a couple of games because he was injured, but everybody was telling me he had to play because I'd spent so much on him.
"But then there was a game of United's, where they had Hargreaves, Nani and Tevez on the bench, players who had cost £20m and maybe £30m, and nobody said anything.
"At Liverpool, though, if I leave a Torres or a Keane out, then everybody talks about it.
"If I put a player in another position, suddenly 20 experts are going on about it. Experts of what, though? I don't know.
"They are analysing things without knowing why they have been done. And then another team can have a bench full of £20million players, and nobody says anything."
Is this a hint that Robbie Keane is going to be dropped shortly...
He also spectacularly misses the point. If other teams have a 20 million pound man on the bench, he's either injured or being replaced by a 25 million pound man. Not by Dirk Kuyt or Yossi Benayoun.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 08, 2008, 05:27:03 PM
He also spectacularly misses the point. If other teams have a 20 million pound man on the bench, he's either injured or being replaced by a 25 million pound man. Not by Dirk Kuyt or Yossi Benayoun.
Very True.
Sami Hyypia has spoken of his disappointment at being omitted from Liverpool's UEFA Champions League squad.
New regulations dictate that clubs must include at least eight home-grown players in their 25-man party.
Finnish defender Hyypia has been one of the unlucky imports to miss out and will be left in England as the Reds get their European campaign underway against Marseille next Tuesday.
The veteran centre-half admits he is shocked to have missed the cut, but still hopes to play a crucial role for the club this season.
"The manager's decision to leave me out of the squad is a big disappointment for me," he told the Liverpool Echo.
"I understand it's partly because of the UEFA regulations, but despite that, the news came as a surprise to me and a shock too.
"But the club had a 'perfect' timing for this: they didn't want me to move elsewhere, so that's why I was told the news of having been left out, just after the transfer window had closed.
"The club went public to say there had been offers for me, but turned them down. So perhaps that means I am still part of the plans for this season.
"I don't know if I would have wanted to move on, had I heard the news about the squad when the window was still open."
UEFA regulations stipulate four players must be 'association trained' (produced by an English academy) while four must be 'domestic association trained (produced by the club's academy).
As such, Liverpool have named Jamie Carragher, Steven Gerrard, Jay Spearing and Stephen Darby as their 'domestic' players, with Robbie Keane, Jermaine Pennant, Steven Irwin and Martin Kelly filling the other spots.
While Hyypia is disappointed to miss out at this juncture, a new list will be submitted prior to the knockout stages - should Liverpool make it that far.
No Plessi or El Zhar either. Feel sorry for Sami - hopefully will be back for the quarters if we get there.
How is this ruling affecting the other english clubs? I cannot see Chelsea or Arsenal having too many home grown acadamy products in the top 25? Must be a few other high profile players left out.
Im a wee bit sad that Sami keeky bobo is not playing as he is one off the weakest link 's & corn02 feel's sorry for him , Ahh well we still have Jamie Carragher playing for them , still hope of the pool to go out as he is a wick defender and player . Come on thee french and see u boys on sat launch time , then u guys can watch some football being play from the prem and euro champs
AKA The Rassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Quote from: slow corner back on September 08, 2008, 09:11:19 PM
How is this ruling affecting the other english clubs? I cannot see Chelsea or Arsenal having too many home grown acadamy products in the top 25? Must be a few other high profile players left out.
Chelsea's squad is not that big so the only casualty was Scott Sinclair. Even though Sinclair could've been classed as a club trained player his spells on loan made him ineligable for this criteria.
A List
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Florent Malouda
José Bosingwa
Wayne Bridge
Paulo Ferreira
Deco
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Carlo Cudicini
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So what way does everyone think saturday is gonna go? I think Rafa has been somewhat let off the hook a little with Gerard and Torres out. With a full team I think there would have been a lot of pressure to finally get a win over UTD but now I think expectations have been lowered. Keane needs a big performance but I can't see it happening, The usual 1-0 lose would be my unfortunate prediction.
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on September 09, 2008, 12:48:16 AM
Im a wee bit sad that Sami keeky bobo is not playing as he is one off the weakest link 's & corn02 feel's sorry for him , Ahh well we still have Jamie Carragher playing for them , still hope of the pool to go out as he is a wick defender and player . Come on thee french and see u boys on sat launch time , then u guys can watch some football being play from the prem and euro champs
AKA The Rassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Anyone got a translation for that?
Quote from: doire na raithe on September 09, 2008, 01:18:24 AM
So what way does everyone think saturday is gonna go? I think Rafa has been somewhat let off the hook a little with Gerard and Torres out. With a full team I think there would have been a lot of pressure to finally get a win over UTD but now I think expectations have been lowered. Keane needs a big performance but I can't see it happening, The usual 1-0 lose would be my unfortunate prediction.
If its anything like recent games against United, Keane or Torres won't get a kick, because they won't get any service. Liverpool need to attack the full backs and thus get the centre backs turned. Give them something to worry about, rather than the usual afternoon stroll they have when Liverpool try and play everything down the middle.
Interesting that Gerrard has ruled himself out, even though he's back in training. Without a warm-up game he believes he won't be 100% and therefore its not worth the risk.
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Interesting that Gerrard has ruled himself out, even though he's back in training. Without a warm-up game he believes he won't be 100% and therefore its not worth the risk.
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Bullshite! Would probably go hiding again! I think of Gerrard very highly but from recent memory I cant think of one performance he has put in!
All or nothing for Rafa IMO ( or it should be), no doubt he will play his lovechild Yossi. Absolute disaster if he does! Liverpool need to go for the juggler, sort out their defence and steady it up a bit. Attack at every chance and see what United are made of. With Ronaldo out there has never being a better time to get them but they still have some unbelievable quality.
All or Nothing!
From BBC Sport:
Hyypia shocked at Reds omission
Hyypia has made 446 appearances for Liverpool during a nine-year spell
Liverpool defender Sami Hyypia has admitted he faces an uncertain future at Anfield after being left out of the club's 25-man Champions League squad.
New Uefa regulations mean clubs have to include at least eight home-grown players in their squad.
The 34-year-old Finn said: "The manager's decision to leave me out of the squad is a big disappointment.
"I understand it's partly because of the Uefa regulations, but the news came as a surprise to me and a shock too."
The Finland international was subject to a bid from Stoke City during the summer, but Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez wanted to keep hold of him.
Hyypia, who has made 446 appearances for the Reds since signing from Dutch club Willem II in May 1999, hopes he still has a future on Merseyside but admits that had he known about Benitez's decision earlier, he might be playing his football elsewhere this season.
"The club had a 'perfect' timing for this," he added.
"They didn't want me to move elsewhere, so that's why I was told the news of having been left out, just after the transfer window had closed.
"The club went public to say there had been offers for me, but turned them down. So perhaps that means I am still part of the plans for this season.
"I don't know if I would have wanted to move on had I heard news about the squad when the window was still open."
Uefa rules state that four players in the 25-man party must be produced by the club's own academy, while four others can be produced by an English academy.
Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Jay Spearing and Stephen Darby make up the contingent from Liverpool, while Robbie Keane, Jermaine Pennant, Steven Irwin and Martin Kelly are the other four.
Liverpool begin their Champions League campaign away at Marseille on 16 September and will also face PSV Eindhoven and Atletico Madrid in a tough group.
Should they progress beyond the group stages, clubs can submit a revised squad list prior to the knockout rounds in the new year.
Quote from: doire na raithe on September 09, 2008, 01:18:24 AM
So what way does everyone think saturday is gonna go? I think Rafa has been somewhat let off the hook a little with Gerard and Torres out. With a full team I think there would have been a lot of pressure to finally get a win over UTD but now I think expectations have been lowered. Keane needs a big performance but I can't see it happening, The usual 1-0 lose would be my unfortunate prediction.
Would be suprised if it is only 1-0 even with the absense of Ronaldo.
I don't think Livepool have much toi lose going into this game. Their knockers call them a 2 or 3 man team so without Torres & Gerrard they are not expected to win. United's form at the min is nothing to write home about so I would not expect anything but the usual scrappy affair with a 1-0 win either way. Anyone know the odds of Berbatov to score at any time?
Dont be so downbeat lads.
With the way Utd are playing at present there is every opportunity you can take something from this game.
I expect it to be a complete sh1te game by the way
Me too. I think Gerrards injury could be a blessing in disguise for Liverpool for this game.
Quote from: full back on September 09, 2008, 10:18:15 AM
I expect it to be a complete sh1te game by the way
which is why I intend to be very lubricated before getting in the ground (thanks to a decent landlord in Stretford).
No matter who is in or out, you can never expect anything from these games except the worst!
To be a poor game, few chances, minimal excitement.
Quote from: An Fear Rua on September 09, 2008, 11:13:05 AM
Quote from: full back on September 09, 2008, 10:18:15 AM
I expect it to be a complete sh1te game by the way
which is why I intend to be very lubricated before getting in the ground (thanks to a decent landlord in Stretford).
No matter who is in or out, you can never expect anything from these games except the worst!
To be a poor game, few chances, minimal excitement.
you'll have a long walk
not really, coach pulls up right outside the door
You heading AFR?
Is Gerrard and Torres out for sure?
2-0 to United for me.
Quote from: corn02 on September 09, 2008, 01:03:40 PM
You heading AFR?
Is Gerrard and Torres out for sure?
2-0 to United for me.
Yeah Im heading over, then on an all dayer in Manc. We had to agree to meet the wives after so it could be a doubly disasterous day!
As for Gin and Tonic, Ive no idea. And i wouldnt believe a word of what I read in the press pre game. Id be surprised if both were missing.
Robbie Keane however may be down the cop shop making a statement.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/09/09/crooks-target-liverpool-fc-s-robbie-keane-100252-21709087/ (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/09/09/crooks-target-liverpool-fc-s-robbie-keane-100252-21709087/)
Thats six now...
That link isn't working - i assued he's been robbed while on international duty?
QuoteRobbie Keane however may be down the cop shop making a statement.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/09/09/crooks-target-liverpool-fc-s-robbie-keane-100252-21709087/
Thats six now...
"You robbed your own players, robbed your own players.......... while United won 10 premierships, you robbed your own players......"
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 09, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
QuoteRobbie Keane however may be down the cop shop making a statement.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/09/09/crooks-target-liverpool-fc-s-robbie-keane-100252-21709087/
Thats six now...
"You robbed your own players, robbed your own players.......... while United won 10 premierships, you robbed your own players......"
Excellent pity yous did not win 10 premierships.
OK how many did we win then?
Quote from: corn02 on September 09, 2008, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 09, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
QuoteRobbie Keane however may be down the cop shop making a statement.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/09/09/crooks-target-liverpool-fc-s-robbie-keane-100252-21709087/
Thats six now...
"You robbed your own players, robbed your own players.......... while United won 10 premierships, you robbed your own players......"
Excellent pity yous did not win 10 premierships.
Whoops :D
Quote from: Uladh on September 09, 2008, 01:44:57 PM
That link isn't working - i assued he's been robbed while on international duty?
link works fine this end
first pictures in from crime scene
(http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/87/75/22287587.jpg)
;)
QuoteExcellent pity yous did not win 10 premierships.
OK how many did we win then?
you should know
I do. Seems Corn02 doesn't tho...
Oh I know just tell me how many premierships you think you have won?
QuoteCarragher blasts 'ruthless' owners
Jamie Carragher has slammed 'ruthless' Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett, saying he has been sickened by their broken promises.
Writing in his autobiography, Carragher accuses the American duo of buying the club solely to make a profit and he is unhappy they have failed to keep their promises of building a new stadium and pledging money for transfers.
Carragher hit out at the pair after it emerged that Hicks and Gillett could already have profited by nearly £100million each.
"For richer or poorer, we'd sold Liverpool to two ruthless businessmen who saw us as a money-making opportunity," said Carragher.
"They didn't buy Liverpool as an act of charity; they weren't intent on throwing away all the millions they'd earned over 50 years...They wanted to buy us because the planned stadium offered a chance to generate tons of cash and increase the value of the club.
"Think how many world-class players that £200million could have brought to the club. Instead if Gillett and Hicks did sell, they or their banks would make a huge profit. I felt ill thinking about it."
Carragher said the owners' worst mistake was claiming no debt would be put on the club's balance sheet but the loans used to buy the club created annual interest payments of around £30million.
"Breaking this vow set the first alarm bells ringing, the embarrassing continual changing of the stadium plans was irritating too," added Carragher.
The long-serving defender also had sympathy for the pair, however, saying Reds boss Rafa Benitez must take some of the blame for the turmoil that surrounded the club last season for publicly undermining the owners over transfers.
Following the 2007 Champions League final defeat to Milan, Benitez called on the Americans to invest more on strengthening the team and Carragher claims the Spaniard's outburst was the root of the infighting at the club last term.
"These words sparked a chain reaction that brought problems into the open, almost cost (Benitez) his job a couple of months later, riled Liverpool's owners into an ill-fated meeting with Jurgen Klinsmann, and ended Hicks' and Gillett's honeymoon with The Kop," added Carragher in Carra: My Autobiography.
"I understood why the owners were unhappy with him too. They'd been undermined by Rafa and now they were undermining him.
"It was a political rather than football battle, and although the fans wanted to see it in black and white terms, with the owners the bad guys and Rafa their hero, I saw far more shades of grey."
Jamie was a bit nieve if he thought hicks & gillette bought the club for any other reason than to make money. Also I dont think his comments about Rafa, even if he is being honest, will go down too well with the manager.
Maybe footballers should only publish their autobiography after they hang up their boots...
QuoteJamie was a bit nieve if he thought hicks & gillette bought the club for any other reason than to make money.
Well you can add 99% of Liverpool supporters to that so. I remember coming on here criticising Liverpool supporters for not being out protesting against the takeover by these men and wasn't giving much of a hearing. At least there was significant opposition to the Glazers taking over United right from the off.
QuoteMaybe footballers should only publish their autobiography after they hang up their boots...
100% agree with this.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 11, 2008, 11:43:53 AM
QuoteJamie was a bit nieve if he thought hicks & gillette bought the club for any other reason than to make money.
Well you can add 99% of Liverpool supporters to that so. I remember coming on here criticising Liverpool supporters for not being out protesting against the takeover by these men and wasn't giving much of a hearing. At least there was significant opposition to the Glazers taking over United right from the off.
QuoteMaybe footballers should only publish their autobiography after they hang up their boots...
100% agree with this.
And that was worth the effort. 99% of those supporters will admit to having their heads stuck in the sand and taking them at their/Moores word. Big mistake, as well we know but don't think protesting would have achieved anything. Manu was a plc and there was some hope at the time, albeit very little. LFC had very little protection as the main shareholder wanted to sell. His reason for selling was that he couldn't bring the club to the next level and he wanted it in someones hands who would. DIC where in and had agreed until Moores seen the greed and took the biggest offer without doing a significant level of due dilligence on the cowboys. He was sold a pup and sold the pup onto LFC supporters. For a number of months everything was good about the deal, right noises been made by the yanks, which has quickly disappeared. Again words where cheap and action scare.
As for writing autobiographies, not been too impressed with the extracts of Carra's to date and agree that books are for retirement.
Soccer players should mostly be banned from publishing autographies. full stop.
if you disgree, take a gander at ashley cole, gerarrd or one of michael owen's autobiographies
o - and Keano's is rubbish too
Quote from: Uladh on September 11, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
Soccer players should mostly be banned from publishing autographies. full stop.
if you disgree, take a gander at ashley cole, gerarrd or one of michael owen's autobiographies
Its about the only bit of sense that has come out of Joey Bartons mouth, " i played s*it heres my book" rant when Gerrard, Rooney Lampard et al released books around Euro 04.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 11, 2008, 11:43:53 AM
Well you can add 99% of Liverpool supporters to that so. I remember coming on here criticising Liverpool supporters for not being out protesting against the takeover by these men and wasn't giving much of a hearing. At least there was significant opposition to the Glazers taking over United right from the off.
I think most Liverpool fans knew that the main reason the yanks wanted control was to make a tidy profit. They're businessmen after all. But also, most Liverpool supporters knew that we were going nowhere under Moores & Parry and would never compete in the PL. A takeover was needed if we were ever going to get near man utd or chelsea - thats why there was little protest when the club was being sold. Unfortunately for the club, as Bingobus pointed out, Moores sold it to the highest bidder instead of DIC. But I suppose everyone has 20-20 vision in hindsight...
Unconvinced that DIC would be a lot better. They are businessmen too. They're not like the buck who took over Man City.
Thought the papers were harsh today on Gerard, claiming that England looked a better side with him not in it, and that it allowed Lampard and Barry to run the show. Some even questioning his international future!
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 11, 2008, 12:19:17 PM
Unconvinced that DIC would be a lot better. They are businessmen too. They're not like the buck who took over Man City.
Bingo. You talk about 99% faloing for the Yanks, I admit to being one. People don't seem to havce learned their lesson and think DIC are just taking it over for the love of the club.
ULADH- I enjoyed Keanes book. Gerrards was a borefest. Fowlers still remains the best I have read from a footballer.
Keane's book was fine but i felt he was holding back quite a bit and was largely diappointed for that reason.
Ture. Would have been a nicer read a few years from now with the whole management angle as well.
QuoteThought the papers were harsh today on Gerard, claiming that England looked a better side with him not in it, and that it allowed Lampard and Barry to run the show. Some even questioning his international future!
Hardly surprising. England have been sh*te for years so they need a scape-goat to blame past failures on when it all goes right! Can't really blame Paul Scholes for telling them to shove their England cap where the sun don't shine.
Looks like Stevie G could be back for the weekend game (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/09/10/steven-gerrard-could-return-for-manchester-united-clash-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-21718314/)
What a surprise
Hopefully they won't risk him unless he's 100%. Same with Torres.
Sellotanta Sports
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDHViDRAOHI
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 11, 2008, 01:33:02 PM
QuoteThought the papers were harsh today on Gerard, claiming that England looked a better side with him not in it, and that it allowed Lampard and Barry to run the show. Some even questioning his international future!
Hardly surprising. England have been sh*te for years so they need a scape-goat to blame past failures on when it all goes right! Can't really blame Paul Scholes for telling them to shove their England cap where the sun don't shine.
Obvioulsy my sarcasm has been lost!
A blind man could see that Gerrard and Lampard are just incompatible in midfield together. It's as obvious as hell. Looks like from now on that Gerrard and Lampard will be battling for that second midfielder slot, and rightly so.
I'd say it will also be a three way battle betwen barry, hargreaves and carrick for the DM spot too. Hargreaves will probably be first choice when fit.
Quote from: Uladh on September 11, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I'd say it will also be a three way battle betwen barry, hargreaves and carrick for the DM spot too. Hargreaves will probably be first choice when fit.
Hargreaves is full of energy, but Barry has a lot more creativity than the other two IMHO.
A player capable of crossing with the left is also something England arent blessed with either
nor is it something a defensive mdfielder will be required to do either. barry is a decent, neat and tidy club player, as is carrick but hargreaves has that extra edge required for this position in international football
Id pick a fit Hargreaves out of the three of them, followed by Barry with Carrick behind that
Me too.
It would be between Hargreaves & Barry.
But if Gerrard is out I would pick Barry simply because of his ability to pass
I'd go with NI's pecking order too. I have to say i thought the english midfield was poor last night in a creative sense and that'll be the main reason lampard will loseout to gerarrd
I'd prefer if they picked Alan Smith in the role with Joey Barton as the creative player along side him. That way they'd never win another bloody game ;D
I missed the world cup presentation last night at the end of the game, Setanta mustn't have had the rights ;D
Hargreaves is a lot more than just a defensive midfielder. I think his versatility for England was nearly his downfall. He's best as a box to box midfielder, with a good shot, and good setpieces. A fine player if he can stay fit. Definitely ahead of Barry in my book.
Anyone arsed about this game?
I don't think I've ever been more pessimistic, fatalistic and indifferent to a Liverpool V Man Utd game as I am to this one.
Liverpool haven't scored against United in the league for four years, while United have been comfortably the better team in the last few meetings. Liverppol are playing absolute rubbish at the moment, have nothing whatsoever to offer down the wings (and who is really expecting Riera to set the world alight in his very first match, against opposition of this calibre?) and Torres and Gerrard, if they play, will hardly be completely match-fit.
2-0 to United for me, assuming Ferguson lets them out to play instead of packing their midfield and sitting back trying to nick a 1-0 ( and why wouldn't he encourage them to attack after recent meetings? - could even be 3-0, but that doesn't bear thinking about at Anfield!).
QuoteAnyone arsed about this game?
Doesn't look like it J70. Seems the Liverpool fans on here are more worried about the right midfield combination for England! wtf?
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 09:25:16 AM
QuoteAnyone arsed about this game?
Doesn't look like it J70. Seems the Liverpool fans on here are more worried about the right midfield combination for England! wtf?
Agree OTB, i found that a little peculiar, but i wasnt aware Uladh and Full Back had converted to the dark side...........
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 09:25:16 AM
QuoteAnyone arsed about this game?
Doesn't look like it J70. Seems the Liverpool fans on here are more worried about the right midfield combination for England! wtf?
You still haven't answered my question?
ok,what do people think the likely lineup will be. probably hard to know as it depends on Torres & Gerrard's fitness.
I'd like him to go with:
Pepe
arbeloa carra skrtel aurelio
masch
kuyt gerrard riera
Keane Torres
I was at the corresponding fixture last year and if memory serves me right, the team was: pepe, arbeloa, carra, hyypia, riise, benny, gerrard, masch, kewell, kuyt, torres.
a really bad performance and the ones in bold above were exceptionally bad. Gerrard seemed to be playing a more defensive role & didnt feature, with Masch going forward. :o The team only started to threaten when Babel came on in 2nd half.
Anyway, if you compare last years starting team to the one predicted above, then there is some ground for optimism. However, that's obviously on paper and our form this year is really worrying. So that coupled with the fitness of gerrard & torres would make all Liverpool supporters pessismistic for tomorrow.
However, I'd like to think we will be strong enough defensively to keep them out. And then you never know....
your all f**king arsed about , whether it be your worried that utd might inflict a heavy defeat or liverpool might grab a win against the odds/form book.
If any of you say your not your no liverpool fans.
Im arsed about, utd are expected to do well, liverpool are well overdue something from the fixture, and I the horrible consideration that I might have to watch that happen from the stands, or the wonderful scenario of watching utd win
IF Torres is out i'd like to punt Babel up top.
Hard to see a classic as usual in these fixtures. Single goal could well be enough to take it and would dread to think that if Liverpool go behind it will be curtains.
Don't expect both Torres and Gerrad to play, of the two Torres would be most important to play but if he has any doubts no piont risking him. Think he played in this game last year on similar injury and struggled before coming off at half time.
If its Gerrad could see playing in the hole with Robbie up front on own, Riera one wing and Kuyt the other, Alonso and Mash in MF with both getting forward. Need to put United under pressure and keep them on back foot. Tall order.
Going for a 1-0 to the pool with Robbie Keane getting off the mark.
If gerrard and Torress fit I'll go for
Reina
Arbeloa, carra, Agger, Dossena
Masch, Alonso
Gerrard Keane Reira
Torres
Without them
Reina
Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Masch, Alonso
Babel Kuyt Reira
Keane
I like the look of this...
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images5/120908-train-2.jpg)
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images5/120908-train-5.jpg)
(http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images5/120908-train-8.jpg)
QuoteI like the look of this...
Each to his own... :-\
Quote from: gawa316 on September 12, 2008, 12:39:16 PM
If gerrard and Torress fit I'll go for
Reina
Arbeloa, carra, Agger, Dossena
Masch, Alonso
Gerrard Keane Reira
Torres
Without them
Reina
Arbeloa, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Masch, Alonso
Babel Kuyt Reira
Keane
That first team with gerrard & torres looks good gawa, was thinking about that myself. But there's just no way in the world that rafa wont play kuyt. Also, i doubt agger will start. Hasnt started a PL game yet this season so will hardly throw him in against utd. Stoke next week should give agger a chance to impress.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 12:55:07 PM
QuoteI like the look of this...
Each to his own... :-\
**** :D
Quote from: stevo-08 on September 12, 2008, 12:59:51 PM
That first team with gerrard & torres looks good gawa, was thinking about that myself. But there's just no way in the world that rafa wont play kuyt. Also, i doubt agger will start. Hasnt started a PL game yet this season so will hardly throw him in against utd. Stoke next week should give agger a chance to impress.
Yeah Kuyt will be the 1st name down, maybe it was wishful thinking!
As for Agger i wish he had a few games under his belt because his ability to bring the ball out can take the pressure of our midfield
Quote from: gawa316 on September 12, 2008, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on September 12, 2008, 12:59:51 PM
That first team with gerrard & torres looks good gawa, was thinking about that myself. But there's just no way in the world that rafa wont play kuyt. Also, i doubt agger will start. Hasnt started a PL game yet this season so will hardly throw him in against utd. Stoke next week should give agger a chance to impress.
Yeah Kuyt will be the 1st name down, maybe it was wishful thinking!
As for Agger i wish he had a few games under his belt because his ability to bring the ball out can take the pressure of our midfield
Agger played 90 mins in both Denmarks internationals, i doubt if he will play tomorrow.
Quote from: Minder on September 12, 2008, 01:33:13 PM
Agger played 90 mins in both Denmarks internationals, i doubt if he will play tomorrow.
and from reports, he played quite well in the internationals.
with the CL game away to marseille coming up next tuesday, I can see Agger definitely featuring in the stoke game next weekend.
As has been said, we've definitely missed his ability to bring the ball out of defence.
This just in from BBC
Liverpool duo Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres have both been declared fit to face Manchester United.
Gerrard missed England's 4-1 win in Croatia on Wednesday after undergoing a minor groin operation, while Torres has recovered from a hamstring tear.
Both players are included in Rafael Benitez's squad after coming through a light training session on Friday.
"They are both much better," said Benitez. "They came through a full training session this morning."
He added: "It's important for us to have these two players of quality who can change a game.
"I'm not surprised they are available because the medical staff have done a good job and the players have been working really hard with the physios to get fit."
Albert Riera is in line to make his Liverpool bow after signing from Espanyol on transfer deadline day, while Brazilian midfielder Lucas Leiva misses out after returning late from international journey.
Man Utd team news to follow later.
All a big ploy then, happy days!
Quotea 1-0 to the pool with Robbie Keane getting off the mark.
I have had that exact same thought nagging at me all week and I haven't been able to shake it. United are not playing well either.
Quote from: thewingedlady on September 12, 2008, 02:00:06 PM
All a big ploy then, happy days!
Wow , and everyone fell for it didnt they
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 12, 2008, 02:12:56 PM
Quotea 1-0 to the pool with Robbie Keane getting off the mark.
I have had that exact same thought nagging at me all week and I haven't been able to shake it. United are not playing well either.
The stats are crazy. Feruson had the hodoo sign over Rafa. Each time I come on here going "United should beat us" and secretly don't believe it. I have never been as downbeat before and we have had ou best start in years. The scene is set for Keane to ram Fergusons' comments down his throat - will not happen though.
QuoteThe scene is set for Keane to ram Fergusons' comments down his throat - will not happen though.
Personally I'd like to see United inflict the heaviest ever defeat on Liverpool at Anfield and given Arsenal's recent turkey-shoot on Merseyside it won't be easy scoring that many goals. Doubt if it will happen either tho.
Weird.
So how many Premierships? ;)
u mean you don't know?
10
Is that incorrect?
No
corn02, you must be really enjoying this :D :D :D
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 12, 2008, 02:12:56 PM
Quotea 1-0 to the pool with Robbie Keane getting off the mark.
I have had that exact same thought nagging at me all week and I haven't been able to shake it. United are not playing well either.
Its more wishful thinking than a nagging feeling with me. Can see a 0-0 to be honest.
when exactly did it change from the FA Carling Premiership to the Barclays Premier League?
anyways utd have won 10 Prems :P 17 titles in all...
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
No
10 is in fact incorrect. They have won nine Premierships and one Premier League title. So, as I said, the song is wrong. ;)
Good one corn ::)
Quote from: corn02 on September 12, 2008, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
No
10 is in fact incorrect. They have won nine Premierships and one Premier League title. So, as I said, the song is wrong. ;)
The sad things we cling to.
Quote10 is in fact incorrect. They have won nine Premierships and one Premier League title. So, as I said, the song is wrong
...do you enter pub-quizzes with daft team names such as 'the misfits'?
2-0 to Liverpool
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 03:29:57 PM
Quote10 is in fact incorrect. They have won nine Premierships and one Premier League title. So, as I said, the song is wrong
...do you enter pub-quizzes with daft team names such as 'the misfits'?
Thought it would be of interest to you seeing as all United fans disregard league titles once they competition changes its name.
Quote from: corn02 on September 12, 2008, 03:33:06 PM
Thought it would be of interest to you seeing as all United fans disregard league titles once they competition changes its name.
Oh dear, would sir like a broom?
come again.
Well I don't think there will be many goals. Can see it being a 0-0 or a 1-0 to someone. United have actually done a Houllier on it on their last few visits to Anfield. Got men behind the ball, defended for most of the game and hope to nick a goal from a set-piece or something and to be fair to them that's exactly what has happened. I don't see them changing radically from that approach the next day and equally it's hard to know where we are going to get a goal from. All seems to point towards a dour struggle either ending goalless or decided by a solitary goal.
anywhere i can watch on the internet live?
Shit. 1 down. 2 minutes. Nobody followed trevez.
Level. 1-1. OG from Brown :D
Can't fault Liverpool for effort today, that's for sure. The equalizer was obviously very lucky, but since then, Alonso and Mascherano have done very well in the centre of midfield. They're are getting a bit of joy down the right, but the delivery so far has not been the best, apart from Mascherano's low cross, which nobody followed in! However, United look capable of a lightning-fast break at any moment and you'd expect them to probably nab another at some stage. Liverpool will probably have to score themselves to get something out of this. Quality finish from Tevez.
is it just me or is it everytime benayoun gets the ball he gives away,a poor mans garcia in my book.
Quote from: laceer on September 13, 2008, 12:40:45 PM
anywhere i can watch on the internet live?
What he said??
We're the best team in 2nd half. All over them. Gerard will do the business!
love to see keane get one... am i the only one sick of andy grays voice on every fockin game? can sky not afford 2 or 3 commentators just to mix it up a bit
And Vidic misses the Chelsea match I think.........
Is it really 2-1?
Superb stuff from Liverpool. They won every 50/50 tackle and showed far more hunger than United or even themselves in previous games this season. Now they need to put in that kind of effort and show that kind of passion every week.
About f**king time Liverpool got a result against United - that's given me plenty of ammunition for a few weeks now :)
Mascherano man of the match for me. Closely followed by Kuyt, Alonso and Keane. Good debut from Riera too.
Great to get that monkey off the back. Now to push on against the likes of Stoke, Everton and City.
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2008, 02:45:16 PM
Mascherano man of the match for me. Closely followed by Kuyt, Alonso and Keane. Good debut from Riera too.
kuyt :o couldnt trap a brick,awful touch and missed a sitter
Quote from: isourboydownyet on September 13, 2008, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2008, 02:45:16 PM
Mascherano man of the match for me. Closely followed by Kuyt, Alonso and Keane. Good debut from Riera too.
kuyt :o couldnt trap a brick,awful touch and missed a sitter
He still had an excellent game though.
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2008, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on September 13, 2008, 02:49:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 13, 2008, 02:45:16 PM
Mascherano man of the match for me. Closely followed by Kuyt, Alonso and Keane. Good debut from Riera too.
kuyt :o couldnt trap a brick,awful touch and missed a sitter
He still had an excellent game though.
yeah got on the ball alot but very little came from him,torres and gerard back he has to go but i cant see rafa doing that,babel is improving with every game,again turned the game.liverpool were dominating but no real chances until he came on.apart from letting teves in for the goal mascarano was my man of the match.
The performance was as important as the result. Superb from 20 minutes on.
Must say I was delighted to see Rooney played so wide, he was sloppy but he rarely is.
Kuyt, Mascherano (Tevez goal aside), Alonso were brilliant but Skrtl was man of the match for me today.
United didn't look themselves today,. First 20 minutes they were great but created little after that. I think Giggs is becoming a passenger but his shot showsd there is still a bit of magic there.
Great three points, will mean nothing if we lose next week.
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Mascherano man of the match for me. Closely followed by Kuyt, Alonso and Keane. Good debut from Riera too.
kuyt :o couldnt trap a brick,awful touch and missed a sitter
He still had an excellent game though.
yeah got on the ball alot but very little came from him,torres and gerard back he has to go but i cant see rafa doing that,babel is improving with every game,again turned the game.liverpool were dominating but no real chances until he came on.apart from letting teves in for the goal mascarano was my man of the match.
Apart from an assist for the second goal you mean? Yes, he missed a couple of chances, but I thought he linked up excellently with Keane and the midfield. Screwed up with his touch a couple of times, but overall he was very involved in Liverpool's domination of the second half.
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Mascherano man of the match for me. Closely followed by Kuyt, Alonso and Keane. Good debut from Riera too.
kuyt :o couldnt trap a brick,awful touch and missed a sitter
He still had an excellent game though.
yeah got on the ball alot but very little came from him,torres and gerard back he has to go but i cant see rafa doing that,babel is improving with every game,again turned the game.liverpool were dominating but no real chances until he came on.apart from letting teves in for the goal mascarano was my man of the match.
Apart from an assist for the second goal you mean? Yes, he missed a couple of chances, but I thought he linked up excellently with Keane and the midfield. Screwed up with his touch a couple of times, but overall he was very involved in Liverpool's domination of the second half.
::),well apart from that :D
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Mascherano man of the match for me. Closely followed by Kuyt, Alonso and Keane. Good debut from Riera too.
kuyt :o couldnt trap a brick,awful touch and missed a sitter
He still had an excellent game though.
yeah got on the ball alot but very little came from him,torres and gerard back he has to go but i cant see rafa doing that,babel is improving with every game,again turned the game.liverpool were dominating but no real chances until he came on.apart from letting teves in for the goal mascarano was my man of the match.
Apart from an assist for the second goal you mean? Yes, he missed a couple of chances, but I thought he linked up excellently with Keane and the midfield. Screwed up with his touch a couple of times, but overall he was very involved in Liverpool's domination of the second half.
::),well apart from that :D
So we disagree on Kuyt's performance. I think I'll be able to live with that.
Spot on J70. He was very,m very good. Needs to be a bit more clinical but I would not blame him for the first save off the line, should have scored in injury time. What impressed me most was the amount of ball he won in the air.
still not happening for keane had a couple of wild kicks but i hope rafa sticks with him because i think once he gets the first he'll knock them in for fun
H e was very decnt and some smart flicks but of course you pay 20 million for goals, not flicks. His slip at the end was comical but he'll not worry tonight.
Like Corn I was very impresses with kuyt in the air today. Won quite a bit off Ferdinand. he is much happier through the middle. I thought Keane toiled really hard today and did well. And Riera rarely gave the ball away. good debut and some delightful touches. I know Mascherano was good but for me Alonso was the man of the match. I thought he ran the game after United took the lead. Passing was good and was always available for the pass from defence. And Arbeloa did well too. Wonder what Laoislad thought!
Thats one monkey off the back, great result after going one down but they slowly built up monemtum and controlled the second half and started to create chances.
Absolute pleasure to beat the mancs after so long and hopefully the display will continue. Impressed with Riera, looked comfortable on ball, stayed wide and can through a few tricks.
MoM for me was kuyt, hard work off ball but massive workload to get on the ball. Was always available for ball out of defence and held it up well. Unlucky first chance and should have scored second time at end. Predator at the back was immense.
Get in. Delighted for a change.
agree kuyt looks a different player through the middle. he may not be clinical but he won a gret amount of ball in the air and linked with midfield well. i would be a big critic but have applaud him today.
liked the linkup down the left between reira and aurelio caused utd problems. riera looks a different player 2 the one at city. had my reservations when signed but i was impressed today.like his directness he wants toget the ball take a man on and get the ball in the box something we have been crying out for. hopefully he can do the job we signed kewell for.
masch and alonso domnated the mf. carr was carra and skrtel continues to impress, though slightly to blame for goal. it is a compliment to him that you wouldnt know that agger is available at the minute!!
think keane just needs to get the monkey off his back and he will come good!!
A great way to finish off a great week of holidays ;D ;D ;D
Totally deserved victory today,Every player was excellent,Even Arbeola was half decent though i wish someone would show him how to cross a ball into the box,though he did deliver one good cross that cried out for someone to plant it home
Babel is a great substitute,he never seems to play well when he starts a game.
Thought Riera played well for his first game and I am excited about him
I thought Mash was man of the match to be honest,Also thought Kuyt played well
Over the moon about the result it's long overdue after United fluking it the last few times at Anfield
Great result and a performance to match, there was only one team in it. I thought after 70 mins when we didnt make the breakthrough United would push on and get a goal but they just arent good enough. Mascherano was immense today and dominated midfield. Also glad we didnt have to risk Torres and can keep him for the big games...........Hopefully VDS plays plenty of games this year for United...........
I see on the skysports website Benayoun got Man of the Match
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QuoteI thought after 70 mins when we didnt make the breakthrough United would push on and get a goal but they just arent good enough.
So they must have won the European Cup 4 months ago by a pure fluke - oh no, that could never happen, could it?
no, man utd proved today that they are really a one man team, with out him they are an average side, were as liverpool were missing the best player in the world and still won!! :)
cant believe lads after a few games in youse are writing Utd off, it's funny how blind sided supporters can be with their clubs, that ONE victory over the utd will mean ya'll win the league. remember this when they are handing the trophy to utd or arsenal or Chelsea at the end of the season. Liverpool are stilll way off the mark
When did anyone mention winning the league? Liverpool fans know better than anyone not to get to carried away as it can just come back to bite you. What yesterday's win did was set down a marker that Liverpool are finally ready to go and challenge. We hope. I said before that we needed to win at home against the big teams so theres one out of the way. Now 6 points from our next 2 games against Stoke and Everton will ensure that yesterday was no fluke.
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Another one for you to be indignant about Seanie !
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QuoteI thought after 70 mins when we didnt make the breakthrough United would push on and get a goal but they just arent good enough.
So they must have won the European Cup 4 months ago by a pure fluke - oh no, that could never happen, could it?
Well done Seanie. First prize in the taking a post out of context contest ;D
Your usually spot on Seanie but there is a bit of bitterness in your posts since the match. Taking everything out of context.
The time of one or two of my posts might indicate that, ahem, they may not have been that clearly thought out. Sorry.
Haha brilliant :D
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QuoteI thought after 70 mins when we didnt make the breakthrough United would push on and get a goal but they just arent good enough.
So they must have won the European Cup 4 months ago by a pure fluke - oh no, that could never happen, could it?
Well it was a slight fluke Chelsea were the better team that night
That was sweet yesterday. Long overdue, Masch and Alonso ruled the roost in the middle of the park, dont think its a long time since i have seen Utd pass the ball so poorly. The sight of Fergies rosy red cheeks was priceless at full time. The hairdryer will well and truly be out this week id imagine.
Should lift spirits and hopefully a level of consistency can now be established.
Great performance on saturday & great result. finally got the luck we deserved. Masch & Alonso were superb in midfield, defence was excellent and I also thought Aurelio & Riera combined brilliantly on the left forcing Rooney to defend for large periods. Havent seen Utd as bad for a long time - how many times did they give the ball away or just hoof it forward. However, some credit for that must go to Liverpool as their workrate was immence and they put united under pressure anytime they had the ball.
Was nice to finally see Liverpool keep the ball on the ground and moving it around, Alonso in particular benefited from this. Hopefully we'll continue to play in this way. And as has already been said, it was the performance rather than the 3 points which was the most encouraging. Nobody is getting carried away by this win - we got 0 points in the same fixture last season but in a similar comparison we got 3 points at villa park last season and only 1 in this campaign, so in terms of points we're not hugely better off. We'll only know if Liverpool are serious contenders after the next 5 games during which, we travel to Everton, City & Chelsea - we got 5 points from those 3 games last season and we need to improve on that this time.
I didn't get to see all of the game due to culmination of hangover, baby puking its ring and to be honest a certain level of disinterest after what has been a underwhelming start to the season. The result is everything, even if it had been a scrappy last minute fluke off Slur alex's red nose I wouldn't care less. The fact that they seemed to play well according to reports I read, is a major bonus and will be a nice confidence lifter going into the game against Marseille on Tues. Another win there will start up an early qualification from the group stages which will take off the pressure for the traditional period of collapse during the November run of games.
The next 3 league games require minimum 7 points.
great win for the reds some super football played to outclass utd. it still remains to be seen though whether liverpool can maintain this form and become a real threat to utd and chelsea for the league. if they keep this up they will be right up there. we all know utd are goin to have an untouchable period at some point and it will be up to the teams at the top to stop them in their tracks!
After that great performance and fully deserved victory I hope Rafa plays the same team on tuesday night with the possibility of bringing Babel in for Benny. We don't need to rush Gerrard and Torres back just yet with very important league games coming up and they are there on the bench if we need them.
Stoke up next in the league and I'm already envisaging that Delap throw in :o. Maybe a game for Sami?
Lads just a small reminder for u lot which think liverpool are real title contenders , this time last year Man U were worse off than they r now and look what happen . Prem Champs , Euro Champs , Just think about it , u might have been the better team on sat but it's a long season ;D
It's euro time this week and this is were Rafa get's a bit confused with what team do i play in prem ohh and what team do i play in the euro , The guy just cannot rotate and that the story for liverpool on the other hand chelsea look good but allways do . Enjoy this wiin pool boys 8) it might be a looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnng time before u get another like that one , they way it was handed to u on sat :D
what a typical reaction! no-one here was gloating about the victory, merely summing up the game. we all know that its a long season and many people have pointed out that utd will come strong etc. if it was the other way round utd fans would be gloatin in ur face nonstop!liverpool won the match yeh but it seems as though when utd lose these matchs it doesnt matter that much to their fans because "whens the last time u won the premiership" or "whos the champions" are the reactions liverpool people get from them. however when they win them they dont shut up! ::)
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what a typical reaction! no-one here was gloating about the victory, merely summing up the game. we all know that its a long season and many people have pointed out that utd will come strong etc. if it was the other way round utd fans would be gloatin in ur face nonstop!
Yeah yeah, supersub ::)
Liverpool = good
Man Utd = bad
Every club has its fair share of fans who will gloat if they win & bring up the past if they lose, even Liverpool :o
yes i know that im not sayin that everyone else are saints, just utd do it a lot. its a known fact, u either love man utd or hate them (because of their fans), its not like that with any other club, or very few at least. ask anyone who isn't a utd fan, they are sickining to listen to!!
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Was over on saturday, great atmosphere. Not the best to watch but result all that matters! ;D
to be fair, most of the united supporters i know have held their hands up, not good enough.
Still think it was a mistake to let finnan go but anyway.....
Yeah great result the last day. Apart from a shaky first 10/15 minutes we were pretty much by far the better team throughout especially in the second half. In truth we should probably have won more comfortably as Kuyt missed two great chances by himself. I actually thought he had a good game though apart from that. Really the winning of this game was in midfield where Alonso and especially Mascherano were outstanding. They completely controlled that area. Helped by Ferguson bringing on Giggs for Carrick when Scholes was struggling to get a foothold in the centre and could have done with some help there. Rooney being stuck out on the wing away from the action also helped while Berbatov seemed to be in one of his "I don't feel like breaking into a jog today" moods up front.
Riera did well on his debut. Doesn't look like someone with blinding pace up and down the wing but at least he stayed out wide and looked capable of delivering good crosses. Keane badly needs a goal to get going. He looks too anxious and too eager to please at the moment. He must have airkicked at 3 or 4 balls since he arrived at the club. Just needs one to go in off his shin or his knee. He did clip one lovely ball through for Benayoun though in the second half that nearly put him clear through on goal. Pepe was brilliant again. Not much to do but when he had to pull off a save from Giggs' volley he was ready.
Anyway after Stoke we have Everton and Chelsea to follow soon after so important to keep up the momentum now.
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QuoteReds without Aurelio in Marseille
Liverpool are without Fabio Aurelio for Tuesday's Champions League game in Marseille following a calf injury sustained on Saturday.
Javier Mascherano is expected to have recovered from a knee injury picked up in the Premier League home win over Manchester United, while both Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres are in the travelling party to the south of France.
Gerrard, recovered from a groin operation, is expected to start the game but there is a possibility that Torres will be on the bench in the Stade Velodrome after his hamstring problem.
Brazilian Lucas, who missed out on the win over United because he had not arrived back from international duty, is also in the squad - but David Ngog has also been left out of the Group D opener.
Liverpool (from): Reina, Dossena, Arbeloa, Agger, Skrtel, Carragher, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Lucas, Benayoun, Babel, Kuyt, Torres, Riera, Keane, Cavalieri, Degen.
I know its probably only a minor injury, but I really hope this isnt a sign of things to come for Aurelio. Would love to see him get a full season without injury. Had a good game on saturday and im sure he'll improve as the season continues.
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Would love to see him get a full season without injury.
No chance of that happening he has only made about 200 appearances in 12 seasons. Dossena will definitely get his far share of games this season
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Last season I thought he was over rated. Against UTD at the week end, he had a stormer, bar a lazy opening 3 minutes! ;)
The Liverpool team for tonight's match is as follows:
Reina
Dossena
Carragher
Skrtel
Arbeloa
Lucas
Mascherano
Gerrard
Babel
Kuyt
Torres
Subs:
Cavalieri
Agger
Keane
Riera
Alonso
Benayoun
Degen
Those c***ts on rte going on about rotation again. Well aurelio is injured so dossena is in, Babel the match winner from the wkd is in for Riera who isn't fully match fit, our 2 best players are back in and lucas is in for alonso so as far as i see it you can only question alonso's exclusion.
Very strong bench btw
One all after 25 mins very open match.
Great goal from gerrard.
Oh pen....goal oh shit he's making him take it again...goal 2-1...get in!!!
How come there are no sponsors on the jerseys ?
Alcohol sponsorship is banned in France
Liverpool have been really poor in the second half.
Someone tell Kuyt he is supposed to pass to the fellas in the red jersey
Poor second half but great result - hard not to see us getting out of the group.
Kuyt and Gerrard were the best in the first half but Dirk was very poor in the second. Mascherano looked out on his feet - hardly a surprise. Arbeloa was good for me but Dossena was brutal again.
Man, Liverpool really put you through it. Start badly, then Lord it, should be three easy points, then they put you through the ringer.
Sick of saying it, what's wrong with holding on to the ball?
On the bright side, tonight was the first time I saw something more than pace in Babel, I could see why Arsenal were in for him to. Riera looked good in his cameo. Gerrard scored a beauty.
On the other hand, what is Dossena all about? Giving him the benefit he hasn't had much game time, but he doesn't even move like a player at the moment. Lucas, another one without much game time, didn't contribute much. Benyoun heading for the corner flag when he could have played Keane though on goal with an easy pass? A lot of guys out there who need more football, or need to grab their chances when they come along, easy knowing it's only September. Still though, frustrating stuff at times.
Oh yeah, think Liverpool signed the wrong Cheyrou - Benoit could teach Bruno more than a few things!
Good post Mentalman. Hard to argue with anything there.
only saw the second half and thought we were really poor. Masch did look out on his feet, Lucas was brutal - game was crying out for Alonso to come on and settle things. Thanks god for reina in goals but again sometimes his kickouts are very frustrating - just gifting possession away at times. Example, with 20 mins to go he catches a cross and immediately hoofs it up the field towards Babel who was the only one up there with 2-3 marseille defenders. Marseille gather possession and start another attack. How many times was the ball hoofed up in the air towards Torres - brainless stuff.
Also, Dossena looks very ordinary - hard to see how he's worth 7m.
Still a great result & cracking goal by gerrard - the only team to beat marseille away in years and we've done it twice. The win tonight sets us up nicely in the group.
Just saw the Athletico goals...a few lads there who will feel they have something to prove against Liverpool. Liverpool may come out of the group, but in what position could be interesting.
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Oh yeah, think Liverpool signed the wrong Cheyrou - Benoit could teach Bruno more than a few things!
Brilliant :D :D
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reina in goals but again sometimes his kickouts are very frustrating - just gifting possession away at times. Example, with 20 mins to go he catches a cross and immediately hoofs it up the field towards Babel who was the only one up there with 2-3 marseille defenders. Marseille gather possession and start another attack. How many times was the ball hoofed up in the air towards Torres - brainless stuff.
agree with most of that but I think Pepe is one of the best at kickouts and distribution. His pass to Torres with his left foot was superb
yea, thats true gawa316. in fairness he's a quality keeper and only for him tonight, it could easily have ended all square or even worse. i just get frustrated watching liverpool keep giving possession away so easily.
Results are everything. First half they were excellent, in the second half they looked heavy legged and the exertions of the game at the weekend seemed to be telling on them a bit, particularly Masch and the ultimate Duracell Bunny Derrick. I am glad the took Torres off, it should have been done earlier. Also, I thought that Agger could ahve replaced Skertel as he was sailing close to the wind with the ref.
Yossi is not good enough. I justdon't see the value in him. They should have snapped the hand off whoever offered money for him in the summer. Babel is developing nicely, Riera looks handy enough. Pity Keane wasn't on when they got the penalty as he could have opened his account.
I thought Dunphy was going to cream over the desk about Gerards goal. Top class goal, and shows why he has to play further advanced.
Give Arbeloa a rest, Carra and Skertel a rest, bring in Degen, Dagger and Sami. Give Derrick the day off and play Babel on the bench on Sat as impact sub. Should beat Stoke if the can break Rory Delap's arms!!!!
Derrick? ???
Thinking about it, it has to be Kuyt...
Your right BC, lets be positive. Liverpool have 14/15 good players in the squad now.
Reina
Arbeloa, Aurelio, Agger, Carragher, Skrtel
Alonso, Mascherano, Riera, Babel, Gerrard
Torres, Keane, Kuyt
Still weak at fullback, pity about ongoing Aurelio's injury problems.
A few others developing, like Lucas & Insua.
A lot of dross outside of those though amongst the experienced players, hope I'm proved wrong (not including Sami there who is coming to the end of his career)
Would agree about Benyoun. I like the guy, but he needs to play every week, and isn't just good enough - in many ways West Ham was ideal for him in that way.
Where can I see Gerhard's goal? Dad said he's never seen one like it in soccer.
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Where can I see Gerhard's goal? Dad said he's never seen one like it in soccer.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/)
I thought it was a bit like the whipped shots Beckham would come up with from time to time.
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Where can I see Gerhard's goal? Dad said he's never seen one like it in soccer.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1569300/
Mentalman I would hope Dossena is good enough to be classed as a good player.
Was it just me or was there a rather rude banner on the back of the Marseilles net last night??
Quote from: nifan on September 17, 2008, 09:08:57 AM
Mentalman I would hope Dossena is good enough to be classed as a good player.
IMHO remains to be seen. Like I said, giving him the benefit of the doubt he hasn't had enough game time. On the other hand he hasn't shown anything yet to suggest he's an improvement even on Riise. So until then I'll hold off.
Fair enough, though Id say he has shown at least as much as Keane
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Fair enough, though Id say he has shown at least as much as Keane
I've not gotthe green tinted glasses on, not a massive Keane fan, but he's always looked busy, made himself available for the the ball, and linked it up well. Dossena, from what I've seen, has been caught out a few times, and tries to hump the ball forward, several times not clearing the player he is supposed to be marking. Like I said though, early days.
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Was it just me or was there a rather rude banner on the back of the Marseilles net last night??
I thought that on a few occasions but when you see it from the front it said Yankees not Wankers
I thought last night was a reasonable enough performance,In fairness they were never going to keep up with the pace of the first half in the second half and I actually expected them to sit back a bit and really the first half was so open it was the right thing to do,Apart from a few scary moments at the end our goal was never really threatened and Babel should have put the game away with a great missed chance..
I wouldn't say they were bad in the second half it was more of a case of calming the game down a bit after the first half rollarcoaster and they must have been bollixed after the game on Saturday,I certainly have seen them play far worse than what they showed in the second half.
Happy with the 3 points,Would expect them to qualify easily enough
is it just me or does anyone else really like the shirts with no sponsor on them?
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is it just me or does anyone else really like the shirts with no sponsor on them?
Not just you. Pity you can't purchase them that way.
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 17, 2008, 02:42:09 PM
is it just me or does anyone else really like the shirts with no sponsor on them?
Not just you. Pity you can't purchase them that way.
I actually think you can...Not sure where i saw them but i think it is possible..
The Ireland jersey is the same though much nicer without the sponsor but i can't find one anywhere without it
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is it just me or does anyone else really like the shirts with no sponsor on them?
Not just you. Pity you can't purchase them that way.
I actually think you can...Not sure where i saw them but i think it is possible..
The Ireland jersey is the same though much nicer without the sponsor but i can't find one anywhere without it
I'd be interested if there was, but I doubt the sponsors would be happy. In Sweden it's the opposite way around - you can't buy replica jerseys of the local clubs with the sponsorship included.
Im fairly sure u can buy them somewhere, cant remember where though. try mainsite
Yep they have them, which surprises me:
http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/products/footballkit/homekit/homeadultkit/non-sponsor-adult-home-shirt-0810/pid-26452
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Yep they have them, which surprises me:
http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/products/footballkit/homekit/homeadultkit/non-sponsor-adult-home-shirt-0810/pid-26452
Aye thats where i saw them
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/sep/18/liverpool.premierleague
QuoteReluctant hero Gerrard hails Liverpool's togetherness
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Thursday September 18 2008
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Steven Gerrard praised Liverpool team-mate José Reina for his display against Marseille. Photograph: Carl Recine/Action
Steven Gerrard wanted to look beyond the headlines following victory in Marseille, and not simply on account of becoming one himself with another starring role for Liverpool in the Champions League. The Liverpool captain insisted José Reina, not his brace of goals, was ultimately responsible for three points at the Stade Vélodrome. He was also adamant that confidence at Anfield runs much deeper than one precious result over Manchester United.
Liverpool arrived in Marseille invigorated by their first league win over United under Rafael Benítez, their stand-out performance and result of an unbeaten season so far. For the third time in five matches they turned a deficit into a 2-1 triumph in the south of France on Tuesday night, with a belief and character, Gerrard believes, that formed long before the curse of Sir Alex Ferguson's side lifted at Anfield. The statistics back him up.
In 19 league games since losing at West Ham United in January, Liverpool have racked up more league points in what amounts to half a season than their fellow members of the big four. Benítez's side have collected 46 points in that period, compared to 45 for Chelsea, 40 for United and Arsenal's 38. It remains a valid criticism of Liverpool that the majority of those points came with the title and the pressures of a genuine challenge out of sight, but it also explains the momentum behind this season's unbeaten start.
"I wasn't aware of our recent record but going on good runs is something we have to try to do," said Gerrard, who requires one goal to reach a century for Liverpool following his double against Marseille. "The team was confident after Saturday. Before the game I could sense we were going to get another positive result. We know we're a fantastic side in Europe and it's always difficult away from home. We didn't play well in the second half but you could see the togetherness. We just don't like getting beaten."
Few players illustrated that sentiment better at the Stade Vélodrome than Gerrard and Reina, the captain outstanding on his first start since undergoing a double-groin operation and the Liverpool goalkeeper equally impressive, particularly when standing his ground to deny Mamadou Niang in the final seconds.
"I'm sure people will mention the goals on my behalf," added Gerrard. "But for me the real heroes were the back four and especially Pepe [Reina]. We all have him down as the best keeper in the Premier League. He's immense."
Gerrard and Reina played verbal table tennis with their tributes to each other after Tuesday's victory, back and forth, but while the Spaniard insisted Gerrard accept the plaudits he concurred with his captain's view on Liverpool's attitude.
"The atmosphere is special at the moment and we don't go out thinking about anything else but winning," said Reina. "We are Liverpool and we are favourites. We are in the business of having to win
Top scorer not playing well due to fatigue from Euros and injury, main back up hasn't really kicked off yet, but will, and the team as a whole hasn't clicked into gear. Not a bad situation to be in and the extra days rest before the game against Stoke will do them the world of good. They are the from team of the "Big 4" and have been for 20 odd games. Time to make it count methinks
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 18, 2008, 01:30:22 PM
Top scorer not playing well due to fatigue from Euros and injury, main back up hasn't really kicked off yet, but will, and the team as a whole hasn't clicked into gear. Not a bad situation to be in and the extra days rest before the game against Stoke will do them the world of good. They are the from team of the "Big 4" and have been for 20 odd games. Time to make it count methinks
Agree with all that BC. But the team needs to click into gear very soon - Everton (A), PSV (H), Man City (A), Athletico (A), Chelsea (A) all coming up in a busy 4 week period. It'll make or break the season...
I'd say Chelsea would probably beg to differ about Liverpool being the 'form' team.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
I'd say Chelsea would probably beg to differ about Liverpool being the 'form' team.
Fair enough AZ, but the points on the board are the same this season, Chelski may have a few more goals, but the weekend could see them stalled a small bit. Also Liverpool should be able to soften the goal difference.
One win over Utd. and we lose the run of ourselves :) Was at it myself last night with another supporter "If Benitez keeps Masch & Xabi in the middle and keep the others fit....". We will have a better idea of where Liverpool are after the Chelsea game.
Is this delusion I'm starting to smell? :P
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2008, 02:40:52 PM
Is this delusion I'm starting to smell? :P
Jeez, I lost the run of myself! I forgot that we are actually shit and haven't actually garnered all those points that are referred to in the article. Like i said, not playing well but still on a decent unbeaten run.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 18, 2008, 02:40:52 PM
Is this delusion I'm starting to smell? :P
I think it's your underpants.
QuoteJeez, I lost the run of myself! I forgot that we are actually shit and haven't actually garnered all those points that are referred to in the article. Like i said, not playing well but still on a decent unbeaten run.
Tut! Tut! You'll just never learn will you....
Dinny, simply stating facts. For what it is worth I still think the League will be won by either Chelsea or United, but I think Liverpool have a better chance than recently to push on. I really think the Gunners would be better off minding their own house and keeping it in order.
Let's calm it a bit lads. Less than a week ago we were all expecting a thumping from United given our poor form.
Some strange comments on here. I havent seen anyone claim that Liverpool are all of a sudden title contenders. In fact, I think most people realise that while we are on a run of good results, we need to improve considerably over the coming weeks if we dont want to fall too far behind chelsea. And with 3 very tough away games, thats the reality.
Quote from: stevo-08 on September 18, 2008, 03:42:07 PM
Some strange comments on here. I havent seen anyone claim that Liverpool are all of a sudden title contenders. In fact, I think most people realise that while we are on a run of good results, we need to improve considerably over the coming weeks if we dont want to fall too far behind chelsea. And with 3 very tough away games, thats the reality.
Arsenal and Man United fans in particular like to think that we are thinking that way and even though no Liverpool fan is getting carried away they still come on here talking shite about how we all think Liverpool are going to win the title..
Alot of them don't even read the posts on here...
I think Chelsea are gong to win the league this year but like everyone else i think Liverpool will be a lot closer than previous years and might even claim 2nd place
This is a great thread you've now deluded yourselves that your not deluded brilliant!!!!!
QuoteI think Chelsea are gong to win the league this year but like everyone else i think Liverpool will be a lot closer than previous years and might even claim 2nd place
Not unless the the United squad come down with Ebola.
Quote from: under the bar on September 19, 2008, 03:12:09 PM
QuoteI think Chelsea are gong to win the league this year but like everyone else i think Liverpool will be a lot closer than previous years and might even claim 2nd place
Not unless the the United squad come down with Ebola.
Have you got a speech impediment?
woman goes to doctor and says "doctor doctor my fanny can talk"
lets have a look he says
down comes the pants and the lips open up and say"liverpool are going to win the league"
doctor says ito her ts OK, there a lot of c***ts talking like that at the minute.
Show me one who has said this Hoof.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
I'd say Chelsea would probably beg to differ about Liverpool being the 'form' team.
chelsea have definately been the best side in the league so far. i think they will take the title. what is impressing me about liverpool is their ability to win games when we have played poorly. this is an art that utd and chelsea have developed and we didnt seem to have in recent years.
i hear posters complaining about reina's distribution, but imo hes the best keeer in the league with the ball at his feet either right or left foot.
babel has started the reason well said last year that i expected him to start fulfilling his potential this year. riera looks an excellent buy the type of player we have badly needed. the defence looks very solid. its the 1st time in a few seasons i can safely say if carra picked up an injury we wouldnt be f****d.
tomorrow play stoke, should be an easy 3 points. i think the general consencus would be a comfortable win with a keane goal(or 2) in front of the kop!
team i would like to see tomorrow:
pepe,
degen,skrtel,agger,dossena,
babel,gerrard,alonso,riera
robbie, torres
stoke will obviously come looking a point so i think it is important that we have width and babel and reira are our best options imo. degen has a reputation as an attacking full back which will help try to break down defensive sides, arbeloas crossing lets him down on occassions.
agger obviously needs some gametime and think him and skrtel should try and develop a bit of an understanding.
masch seemed "leggy" in the 2nd half so would rest him also. alonsos playmaking ability could also be vital if stoke come and park the bus infront of their goal
I think you might see big Sami in the team tomorrow given Stoke's fondness for Delap's long throws.
Quote from: J70 on September 19, 2008, 09:35:58 PM
I think you might see big Sami in the team tomorrow given Stoke's fondness for Delap's long throws.
Thought that earlier alright. Also heard Benitez hinting at Torres' extended season last year with the Euros and that. WOuldn't be surprised to see him rested tomorrow. Fancy Keane to break his duck tomorrow.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on September 19, 2008, 09:34:12 PM
tomorrow play stoke, should be an easy 3 points. i think the general consencus would be a comfortable win with a keane goal(or 2) in front of the kop!
team i would like to see tomorrow:
pepe,
degen,skrtel,agger,dossena,
babel,gerrard,alonso,riera
robbie, torres
stoke will obviously come looking a point so i think it is important that we have width and babel and reira are our best options imo. degen has a reputation as an attacking full back which will help try to break down defensive sides, arbeloas crossing lets him down on occassions.
agger obviously needs some gametime and think him and skrtel should try and develop a bit of an understanding.
masch seemed "leggy" in the 2nd half so would rest him also. alonsos playmaking ability could also be vital if stoke come and park the bus infront of their goal
3 changes to the defence from last weeks game??? I dont think I'd like to see that. Should be 3 points tomorrow but dont forget it was this time last year that we dropped points against portsmouth & birmingham. Aurelio looks like he wont make it so dossena will definitely start but I would start arbeloa, he's settling into the RB position this season so let him continue. I could see Agger or Hyypia in the centre though. Also would like to see Masch & Alonso start in CM, they're forming an excellent partnership and its a key area to ensure the team functions well. Tomorrow's game is vital - let Rafa rest as many as he wants against Crew on tuesday.
not paticularly talking about the guys on here corn02, but last sat evening i was getting fecking text pics to my phone of the league table !!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on September 20, 2008, 12:05:29 AM
not paticularly talking about the guys on here corn02, but last sat evening i was getting fecking text pics to my phone of the league table !!
So some of your mates taking the piss after Liverpool beat United means that Liverpool fans, present company excepted, think the team is all of a sudden going to win the league?
Some of you boys just hear what you want to hear and ignore the rest.
Live streaming
http://www.justin.tv/tvec
Hard work so far for Liverpool. Stoke are camped on the edge of their box and are defending as if their lives defended on it (they're very good in the air). If Liverpool get one, they'll win by two or three, but the first one is the key. They'd need to improve their shooting from outside the box though.
Not sure about the disallowed goal. Torres may have been very slightly offside in the middle of the goal. Kuyt didn't get near the ball, so it can't have been him, although the linesman obviously had a different perspective from his position.
Gerards disallowed 'goal' :
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2304072 (http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=2304072)
Back to earth,disgraceful stuff
Pathetic display, pathetic result.
Stinkin >:(
rubbish
Think you're being a bit harsh there lads. You can't fault Liverpool for effort or say they didn't try to work the ball into goal-scoring positions. It certainly wasn't a case of the team lumping aimless long balls into the box, while getting good crosses in is not exactly easy when there are eight defenders and a goalkeeper packed in there. Stoke were very good in the air at the back, while Liverpool aren't great in the air up front and definitely did not have their shooting boots on today. Has that disallowed goal stood or some of the easy chances that came to Torres and Keane been finished, we'd all be crowing. Its a thin line sometimes.
maybe J70 but there keeper did not have to produce any world class saves to deny Liverpool.
Quote from: FermGael on September 20, 2008, 05:40:40 PM
maybe J70 but there keeper did not have to produce any world class saves to deny Liverpool.
How many times do keepers have to produce "world-class" saves in most games? You don't tend to see it too often when a keeper is playing behind a massed, dug-in defence. Liverpool's shooting was awful today. Had Keane got decent efforts off for his two chances, it would have taken very good saves to deny him. Same with Torres' header or the one the defender deflected away. On another day Gerrard would have rescued them with one of his numerous efforts from outside the box. My bigger concern would not be with the shooting, but with the lack of threat from corners.
And I'm not saying it was a wonderful performance or that Stoke didn't earn their point, but this collapse into despair and doom and gloom after a poor result does my head in. The effort was there today, the finishing touch was not. Liverpool had won something like their ten previous league games in a row at Anfield, and while we always see one or two games like today in any season, it does not mean that they may as well pack it in right now. Its a 38 game season. Let's see how they respond with the Everton and City away games coming up.
You have to pick up as many points as possible at home and today was a total f**k up, does anyone think stoke will pick up a single point at United,chelsea or arsenal ?
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2008, 06:51:56 PM
You have to pick up as many points as possible at home and today was a total f**k up, does anyone think stoke will pick up a single point at United,chelsea or arsenal ?
No Arsenal will rip them to bits!!
Was working all day so only caught the match on the radio..
Very disappointed its like last season all over again,I don't understand why he would take off Keane to bring on Benayoun and move Kuyt in with Torres,According to radio Keane was bright enough today,Would it have been better to leave him on ? there was still 20mins left when they took him off
Anyways its really annoying to drop two points against a team like Stoke.
A draw in the big match tomorrow would suit us now
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2008, 06:51:56 PM
You have to pick up as many points as possible at home and today was a total f**k up, does anyone think stoke will pick up a single point at United,chelsea or arsenal ?
And Liverpool will likely beat Tottenham and Newcastle at home and pick up at least a point, if not three, away to Fulham.
And they would have likely picked up 3 today but they didnt
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2008, 11:37:12 PM
And they would have likely picked up 3 today but they didnt
Alright Minder, the season is over, Benitez has to go.
Is that what you want to hear?
Quote from: J70 on September 20, 2008, 11:46:57 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2008, 11:37:12 PM
And they would have likely picked up 3 today but they didnt
Alright Minder, the season is over, Benitez has to go.
Is that what you want to hear?
Where did i say that? It was a pathetic result, to think anything else is silly. We have form for dropping cheap points at home,another result or two like that and the season will be over
Yes, it was a poor result, but every team has days when it just doesn't happen. It certainly wasn't for a lack of effort today. Let's see what happens over the next few weeks (some tough games) before throwing the toys out of the pram.
Rafa out
Look it's a fair point about effort, but Liverpool have not been found wanting for effort under Benitez, or Houllier, for that matter. But my point would also be that United, Chelsea & Arsenal will not drop points at home to the Stokes of the league. Also, from a league standings point of view, dropping points in this game negates points gained in the game last week. As or throwing the toys out of the pram, well to me it was a pathetic result, nothing to do with throwing toys. If they had snuck a goal we would still have said bad performance, all the now usual talk of no guile or craft, but better to win a bad one than lose a god one. But they didn't win, at home, against a side likely to be fighting relegation. Also every point is precious, when you think last year the difference between Chelsea winning the league and not turned out to be a result against Wigan.
brilliant, you Pool supporters love to have a go at each other. wasted result against Utd again. think youse would have settled for a draw against Utd and a win against Stoke. when do ya's play the other crappy teams?
Quote from: Mentalman on September 21, 2008, 12:23:54 PM
Look it's a fair point about effort, but Liverpool have not been found wanting for effort under Benitez, or Houllier, for that matter. But my point would also be that United, Chelsea & Arsenal will not drop points at home to the Stokes of the league. Also, from a league standings point of view, dropping points in this game negates points gained in the game last week. As or throwing the toys out of the pram, well to me it was a pathetic result, nothing to do with throwing toys. If they had snuck a goal we would still have said bad performance, all the now usual talk of no guile or craft, but better to win a bad one than lose a god one. But they didn't win, at home, against a side likely to be fighting relegation. Also every point is precious, when you think last year the difference between Chelsea winning the league and not turned out to be a result against Wigan.
But United, Chelsea and Arsenal have all had at least one bad result so far also, Arsenal almost had a second at home to West Brom on the first day, except they happened to get the goal. Obviously United and Chelsea have proven that they can put those type of performances behind them and that they are much more the exception than they would be in Liverpool's case. If Liverpool had won 1-0 with a late goal, then maybe you'd be saying it still wasn't a great performance, but had that early one been allowed, Stoke would have had to come out and chances are that Liverpool would then have gone on to win fairly easily and you'd all be celebrating Liverpool at the top of the table. Yes, based on past form, it is worrying when games like yesterday happen, but the last time Liverpool dropped points at home like that was to Wigan last new year, when they got caught by a freak goal from Titus Bramble, of all people. Wallow in the doom and gloom if you want - I'm going to wait and see how it plays out before writing the season off as the same old shite.
Do you realise how difficult it is to score against a team who packs the box with at least 7 players at all times? We created enough yesterday, just was one of those days. If the early goal stands, we beat them 3/4-0. Deal with it.
Good result there for us at the Bridge. Seen a few bits of it in between watching the gaa, Neville seems to have had a mare. Got roasted for pace by Anelka one time, then nutmegged by him, so he fouled him and got yella carded. Seen him again get beat to a ball he was favorite for by Ballack. Heard he scored an OG, and at fulltime he was almost sent off for another foul. Shove it up him.
Quote from: Stalin on September 21, 2008, 04:20:46 PM
Do you realise how difficult it is to score against a team who packs the box with at least 7 players at all times? We created enough yesterday, just was one of those days. If the early goal stands, we beat them 3/4-0. Deal with it.
Good result there for us at the Bridge. Seen a few bits of it in between watching the gaa, Neville seems to have had a mare. Got roasted for pace by Anelka one time, then nutmegged by him, so he fouled him and got yella carded. Seen him again get beat to a ball he was favorite for by Ballack. Heard he scored an OG, and at fulltime he was almost sent off for another foul. Shove it up him.
Kallou scored the Chelsea goal, although Ferguson will be unhappy, to say the least, about the marking. Keeper might have come for it too, although I'd have to see it again to make up my about that.
Keeper def should have came for it, though I dont think their will be many getting away without a rollicking
Whoops, was the brother that scored the OG ;D
It was the berb the lazy fecker who failed to track back with Kalou
Anyone see any of the game tonight?
Great to see Agger back in the team, think i heard he scored a 25yard free kick :o
Quote
Degen suffers cup knock
Swiss defender breaks two ribs
By Chris Burton Last updated: 24th September 2008
Liverpool defender Philipp Degen is facing a frustrating spell on the sidelines after breaking two ribs.
The Switzerland international picked up the knock while on Carling Cup duty against Crewe on Tuesday.
Degen had to be replaced by Jamie Carragher after 73 minutes and appeared to be in some discomfort after suffering the blow in an innocuous looking challenge.
The news comes as a major setback to the 25-year-old as he looks to establish himself at Anfield following his summer arrival at the club.
"He has broken two ribs," Reds boss Rafa Benitez told the club's official website.
"He is very unlucky."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_4188005,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_4188005,00.html)
Lucas and Pennant making the usual noises about getting more game time too.
2-1 will do last night. Don't care too much about it to be honest -good for new boys to get a chance and Agger will surely be considered more now.
I have a feeling that this Degen guy is barely ever going to be fit for us.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 24, 2008, 03:29:10 PM
I have a feeling that this Degen guy is barely ever going to be fit for us.
Hope you're wrong, but I get that sort of feeling about him to, not the most auspicious of starts.
massive game tomorrow. 3 points is a must. Everton have been struggling at home & are leaking goals so its a good time to take advantage. mind you, they've started to score a few goals lately aswell so thats a worry.
Will be interesting to see the lineup, might be the first time he has near a full squad to pick from. I think he might go for something like this:
Reina
Arbeloa Carra Skrtel Aurelio
Masch Alonso
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres
with babel & keane to bring off the bench if needed.
Have a feeling Rafa will go 4-4-2 for this one with Alonso missing out.
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Defenders miss Merseyside derby
Liverpool will be without defenders Fabio Aurelio and Philipp Degen for the Merseyside derby at Everton in the Premier League.
Brazilian full-back Aurelio is still struggling with an ankle problem while Degen is out for three weeks after cracking ribs in Tuesday's Carling Cup win over Crewe.
It means boss Rafael Benitez could give three players their derby debuts at Goodison Park - Robbie Keane, Andreas Dossena and Albert Riera - while he will also consider handing Daniel Agger a return after he scored in the defeat of Crewe.
Kick-off at Goodison Park is 12.45pm.
Liverpool (from): Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Skrtel, Hyypia, Agger, Dossena, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Babel, Benayoun, Riera, Kuyt, Keane, Torres, Lucas, Cavalieri, El Zhar, Plessis, Ngog.
Aurelio out so not full strength after all (I did realise that Degen was injured but didnt count him). Anyway, probably means that Dossena will start at LB which isnt good.
Any chance of this cnut Agger starting?
Do you still have him on your fantasy football team full back??
There's a chance he could play but I doubt it. Rafa will want to keep a settled CB pairing for this game. And Carra & Skrtel havent done much wrong so far.
Aye, have him in Sun Dream team
Doing f**king woeful at the minute
Thought he might be pushing for a place after playing during the week as well as scoring
i have him on my own fantasy team
agger has to be getting some proper football any of these days now. carragher great and all as he is can be a slight liability sometimes and its fairly obvious that agger has the more all-round game. thing is as soon as agger gets a start in there, that'll be it, he'll be a regular so someone has to lose out
no matter, hope the reds continue their good run at goodison tomorrow
regarding Agger, another concern is that he has only 18mths left on his contract. He also has a buy out clause which means he could buy out the remainder of his contract and go anytime. Rafa has already mentioned that he will be offered a new contract but I'd like to see him get more gametime sooner rather than later.
Unfortunately for Agger (and also for the fantasy teams of full back & Abble ;)), it may take an injury to one off arbeloa/carra/skrtel before he gets a real chance to shine...
Quote from: stevo-08 on September 26, 2008, 02:10:28 PM
Unfortunately for Agger (and also for the fantasy teams of full back & Abble ;)), it may take an injury to one off arbeloa/carra/skrtel before he gets a real chance to shine...
No dis-respect to any of the 3 but I hope to fcuk they hurry up & get injured.........was depending on that cnut Agger to get me a load of points
I know he is a CB but would there be merit in having a look at him in LB. He is a great ball player, quick and good in the tackle. He may be an option.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 26, 2008, 02:13:44 PM
I know he is a CB but would there be merit in having a look at him in LB. He is a great ball player, quick and good in the tackle. He may be an option.
Indeed. Or even putting Carra at RB and arbeloa at LB, with Skrtel & Agger in CB positions. Not convinced about Dossena at this early stage and would worry about the Derby match tomorrow.
Either way, a back line consisting of Carra, Agger & Skrtel is fairly intimidating.
Sort of with you Stevo.
We have three superb defenders for two positions. I wouldn't be adverse to getting all three in.
Babel might be busy promoting his new music career. This is actually genuine.
By Dan Silver
You might think that Liverpool players would think twice about rapping in public following their abysmal 1988 FA Cup final single 'The Anfield Rap' – not to mention John Barnes' excruciating cameo on New Order's 'World In Motion'.
It's a shame nobody told Ryan Babel, then. The Dutchman might be a hit on the pitch – see his winner against Manchester United last weekend for proof – but he's not exactly Jay-Z on the mic, as this clip of a freestyle session recorded for Dutch radio station 101Barz proves.
Ryan's rapping in Dutch, which means you might not catch cutting edge lyrics like "no caviar for us, Surinamers eat chicken' and "I can't even spend all my money/
Keep your daughter in sight or you will be my family", so thankfully we've included a translation below.
Warning: this contains some very bad language. And some even worse rapping...
Translation:
Rapping is my hobby
Rappers don't want trouble
I'm the Liverpool star those bitches are loving
I know what time it is - I've just bought a new watch
I'll give you a punchline: eight seconds, you'll be knocked down
Towel in the ring
My family in the V.I.P
No caviar for us, Surinamers eat chicken
Ya'll know nothing: this is the Premier League
Representing the G
You can see this n***a with number 19
Ya'll can f*** off, I f*** with a whole team
Ya'll can talk, but you don't get anything with it
Ya'll can't be like me, my status is too high
If rappers come to close, I have to take space
People watch YouTube to learn my actions
I have those skills, try some tricks
I was a poor n***a
Now I make f***ing money
I went from the Euro to the English pound
I put money in my pocket, now I spend money on nothing
I like it this way, I'm sure you like it
If somebody want beef, well come on
I like it with some pepper, homie
I'm sure in my life
Give me the f***ing ball, you lose both legs
And now my competition is past
If you hate me because of that, I say you're right
If I was you, I would hate me too
I have the s**t homie
I can't even spend all my money
Keep your daughter in sight. or you will be my family
I'll take your daughter and let her make clean
101 Barz - this is the first time but I came hard!
I came alone, I don't have a back-up
I came because I mean it
Check it
Quote from: stevo-08 on September 26, 2008, 02:52:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 26, 2008, 02:13:44 PM
I know he is a CB but would there be merit in having a look at him in LB. He is a great ball player, quick and good in the tackle. He may be an option.
Indeed. Or even putting Carra at RB and arbeloa at LB, with Skrtel & Agger in CB positions. Not convinced about Dossena at this early stage and would worry about the Derby match tomorrow.
Either way, a back line consisting of Carra, Agger & Skrtel is fairly intimidating.
I think that for the game tomorrow there would be no fear in playing Carra right back anyway. they have no real speed merchants on the wing but are very good in the air, particulalry at set plays. There would need to be as many big bodies around the box as possible. Arbeloa could play LB, but I actually think Dossena may have a big game tomorrow. I think this kind of game may just suit him.
If he goes for 4-4-2 to keept it compact I would like to see
reina
Carra,Skertel, Agger, Dossena
Gerard,Masch, Alonso, Riera
Torres,Keane.
We know he won't play that team as his dutch love child will play not matter what, so fcuk knows how they'll line out!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 26, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
We know he won't play that team as his dutch love child will play not matter what, so fcuk knows how they'll line out!
thats brilliant. :D :D :D
sums it up perfectly actually.
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 26, 2008, 03:45:12 PM
Babel might be busy promoting his new music career. This is actually genuine.
By Dan Silver
You might think that Liverpool players would think twice about rapping in public following their abysmal 1988 FA Cup final single 'The Anfield Rap' – not to mention John Barnes' excruciating cameo on New Order's 'World In Motion'.
It's a shame nobody told Ryan Babel, then. The Dutchman might be a hit on the pitch – see his winner against Manchester United last weekend for proof – but he's not exactly Jay-Z on the mic, as this clip of a freestyle session recorded for Dutch radio station 101Barz proves.
Ryan's rapping in Dutch, which means you might not catch cutting edge lyrics like "no caviar for us, Surinamers eat chicken' and "I can't even spend all my money/
Keep your daughter in sight or you will be my family", so thankfully we've included a translation below.
Warning: this contains some very bad language. And some even worse rapping...
Translation:
Rapping is my hobby
Rappers don't want trouble
I'm the Liverpool star those bitches are loving
I know what time it is - I've just bought a new watch
I'll give you a punchline: eight seconds, you'll be knocked down
Towel in the ring
My family in the V.I.P
No caviar for us, Surinamers eat chicken
Ya'll know nothing: this is the Premier League
Representing the G
You can see this n***a with number 19
Ya'll can f*** off, I f*** with a whole team
Ya'll can talk, but you don't get anything with it
Ya'll can't be like me, my status is too high
If rappers come to close, I have to take space
People watch YouTube to learn my actions
I have those skills, try some tricks
I was a poor n***a
Now I make f***ing money
I went from the Euro to the English pound
I put money in my pocket, now I spend money on nothing
I like it this way, I'm sure you like it
If somebody want beef, well come on
I like it with some pepper, homie
I'm sure in my life
Give me the f***ing ball, you lose both legs
And now my competition is past
If you hate me because of that, I say you're right
If I was you, I would hate me too
I have the s**t homie
I can't even spend all my money
Keep your daughter in sight. or you will be my family
I'll take your daughter and let her make clean
101 Barz - this is the first time but I came hard!
I came alone, I don't have a back-up
I came because I mean it
Check it
:o :o :-X Words can not describe how much of a w**ker!!
Yeah he has been merced.
BC dutch love child or not, Kuyt is the sort of grafter needed for this match, especially if our full-backs are going to be Arbeloa and Dossena.. The vastly under rated player will start and I think Xabi will be on the bench.
corn, I actually have been one of his fiercest backers since Rafa bought him, and I know he goes through a load of work, but £12m or whatevcer it was for a workhorse. He was bought ot score goals, has failed miserably at that, he is pushed to right sided attacker, has no touch, questionable pace and can't cross copnsistently. He remionds me a lot of the type of player John Rafferty was for Armagh when he played wing forward. Could run all day but did feck all with the ball. He would be a great man for winning break ball in the middle of the field though!
Intersting stats for some of you guys on Newstalk the other night. Robbie Keane has never scored a league goal in August and hasn't scored in the first 5 weeks of the season for the past few seasons (forget but think its 3). So no need to panic that yer money is done just yet.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 26, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
reina
Carra,Skertel, Agger, Dossena
Gerard,Masch, Alonso, Riera
Torres,Keane.
We know he won't play that team as his dutch love child will play not matter what, so fcuk knows how they'll line out!
That's what I'd go with, but I reckon Dirky will be in and Robbie benched.
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2008, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 26, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
reina
Carra,Skertel, Agger, Dossena
Gerard,Masch, Alonso, Riera
Torres,Keane.
We know he won't play that team as his dutch love child will play not matter what, so fcuk knows how they'll line out!
That's what I'd go with, but I reckon Dirky will be in and Robbie benched.
id say dirt will be in instead of alonso and mash and stevie in the middle. tactical genious.... ::)
Quote from: supersub on September 27, 2008, 01:30:37 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2008, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 26, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
reina
Carra,Skertel, Agger, Dossena
Gerard,Masch, Alonso, Riera
Torres,Keane.
We know he won't play that team as his dutch love child will play not matter what, so fcuk knows how they'll line out!
That's what I'd go with, but I reckon Dirky will be in and Robbie benched.
id say dirt will be in instead of alonso and mash and stevie in the middle. tactical genious.... ::)
As genius as your spelling. By the way rhyming Dirk with dirt - superb.
I said the other day that I expected Rafa to go 4-4-2 - only surprise is that he has not rotated so very strong team out, but no Mascherano.
Yeah BC not getting at you, just I know plenty of Liverpool fans who just say Kuyt is shite. His goal return, champions league aside, is not good enough. Although he is playing out of position he still ain't getting enough, but his crossing has improved dramatically. I said he suits this game becausae it will be the sort of match he can prosper on. I would not play him against the likes of Stoke etc were a bit of invention is needed to unlock the door - but he has proven a big game player and maybe he will win it today.
Nando ;D
Nando x 2 ;D ;D
Mike Riley is a clown >:(
Great win. Finally got going in the second half. Pity Riley robbed Torres of his hat-trick. He really is a useless ref. Better team throughout really but only confirmed it once we decided to go at Everton after the break.
Torres brilliant finishing. Gerrard was very good. Keane had a hand in both goals. Better from him. Stoke result looks even more bizarre sandwiched in between beating Man U and Everton.
I thought we may have paid for not turning the first half dominance into goals when they were on top, Everton are brutal in fairness. Very good performance though. I felt sorry for Torres in the first half, some of the crossing from Arbeloa and Kuyt was poor. Those two goals should set him off on a run of goals now. Riley is a clown as Gab said, Kuyt never touched Lescott & it was harsh sending off Cahill. All pales into comparison though when you hear fo the stories coming from Salford Park today and Rob Styles gifting United a penalty. All in all Liverpool passed it well and were in total control, Alonso seems to be getting back to something like his best.
A good win and a good performance today especially considering we were missing mascherano who would have thrived in the game. It made Rafa's team selection easier and it's still debatable what team will line out when he finally does have everyone fit and available.
Thought skrtel was superb at the back and showed why Agger is finding it difficult to break into the team, Arbeloa had another good outing at RB, Dossena did better but I wouldnt like to see him up against an opponent with pace. Alonso & Gerrard totally bossed the central midfield battle and actually I would have given MOTM to one of them instead of Torres who i thought was very poor in first half. Great to see alonso back to form and he's proving all his critics (me included) wrong. I'll be the first to admit I was in favour of buying Barry to replace alonso but Im now damn glad that didnt happen - fair play to the spaniard, keep it up. Riera didnt have his best outing on the left, Kuyt got through his usual workrate on the right and played well. Up front it was looking like a very frustrating afternoon for torres but thanks to a great cross by Keane, Torres got the chance he needed and the finish was excellent.
Riley was absolutely atrocious today - never even looked like allowing the game to flow and made ridiculous decisions - Fellaini's "challenge" on reina in first half, Torres's disallowed goal, Cahill's red card.
anyway, a crucial 3 points and badly needed after the draw to stoke. In fairness, we'd all have been happy with 7 points from Man U, Stoke & Everton so job done. Another big one away to City next week.
Arsenal lose at home to Hull, United only beat Bolton thanks to a foul and penalty no one except the referee saw. Looks like Liverpool aren't the only ones struggling to break teams down this season.
QuoteUnited only beat Bolton thanks to a foul and penalty no one except the referee saw
Obviously Rooney's goal doesn't count because......why exactly? It was never a penalty but there was a very strong chance United would have got the win anyway.
Mike Riley was a complete joke again (for both teams). He hands out cards for nothing. 7 bookings for United last week. Crazy red and yellows again today.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 27, 2008, 07:43:58 PM
QuoteUnited only beat Bolton thanks to a foul and penalty no one except the referee saw
Obviously Rooney's goal doesn't count because......why exactly? It was never a penalty but there was a very strong chance United would have got the win anyway.
Mike Riley was a complete joke again (for both teams). He hands out cards for nothing. 7 bookings for United last week. Crazy red and yellows again today.
Seanie, for someone who generally appears to be an intelligent fellow, you really need to take the blinkers off when discussing United. Its a cliche that every ten year old knows that the first goal in a game like that is THE important moment of the game. Maybe United would have scored anyway, but it was certainly not a given, particularly when you look at Liverpool's struggle last week or Arsenal's today.
Didn't get to see game today as I was working most of the day.
Great result and its good to get back on the horse after a very poor result against Stoke.
Looking forward to Match of the Day tonight.How did Keane fair out today?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on September 27, 2008, 08:00:13 PM
Didn't get to see game today as I was working most of the day.
Great result and its good to get back on the horse after a very poor result against Stoke.
Looking forward to Match of the Day tonight.How did Keane fair out today?
Keane did well, weren't many clearcut chances in the game (not 1 shot on target by Everton for the whole 90 :o), but he set up both goals including a peach of a cross for Torres to score the first. Obviously he could do with a goal to ease the pressure and settle down a bit but he's doing alright.
Any word yet on what the financial chaos in the US is going to mean for Hicks and Gillette? Surely they're going to have to sell now?
Talk about it a forthnight ago J70 but at this stage if that bill oges through things should stabalise slightly.
I can't stand them, think there prats, want the mout but they have been quite generous with transfers the last two years.
Quote from: corn02 on September 29, 2008, 08:40:27 PM
Talk about it a forthnight ago J70 but at this stage if that bill oges through things should stabalise slightly.
I can't stand them, think there prats, want the mout but they have been quite generous with transfers the last two years.
Have you seen the news lately? Not looking good but it could still be forced through.
Keane will score tonight
and more will follow!!!!!!!!!!
I just felt it in me bowels lads 8) Glad I put €20 on him too!
Just look at the number of my reply post though where i said Keane would score tonight #6668... :o
f**k me what a goal from Stevie G....No joking i was just gonna post he would score from the free!
silly goal to give away
Dunphy taking the absolute piss tonight..
"Liverpool are a team full of donkeys,Kuyt is a donkey,Masherano is a donkey,Arbeola is useless he is a complete donkey,Lucas is a Brazilian,he is the worst Brazilian to ever play football he is a donkey"
An easy 3-1 win tonight,Top of our Champions League group,joint top of the Premier League,already after beating Man United and Everton but Liverpool are still a team of donkeys ::)
Meant to ad he might have been right about one of the players ;)
Ronnie Whelan on Robbie Keane ::)
"Robbie's not going to get you 20+ goals a season"
Eh how many did he score for Spurs a season over the last few years?
it was 23 last year Ronnie
Dunphy obviously doesn't remember Mirandinho or whatever his name was who played for Newcastle!!!
I agree with some of what they say though. I still have my doubts about Arbeloa. I think Kuyt gives too many sloppy passes. If they wanted a man to run around all day they could have bought Brian Dooher!
However, more positives than negatives. Keane and Torres linked well, Robbie got his first and hopefully not last goal. Stevie G's goal was a super strike, but I have to question the positioning of the wall and the poor closing down by the loose players. They just stood watching it. Thank fcuk Barry wasn't bought and hopefully Rafa will persist with Xavi. Riera is looking a decent buy.
Looking forward the game at the weekend is very important. I think Rafa should have left Robbie on and taken Torres off as I felt he looked a bit heavy legged. I would also have had Babel on earlier and certainly before Benny as I do not rate him. But one step closer to qualification and if that can be achieved sooner rather than later then all the better.
Quote from: hardstation on October 01, 2008, 10:26:19 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 01, 2008, 09:56:46 PM
Ronnie Whelan on Robbie Keane ::)
"Robbie's not going to get you 20+ goals a season"
Eh how many did he score for Spurs a season over the last few years?
it was 23 last year Ronnie
One of your heroes slagging off another hero of yours.
*Assuming Ronnie Whelan is a hero of yours.
Ronnie Whelan is defo a hero...Keane not so much......Yet
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 01, 2008, 09:48:08 PM
Dunphy taking the absolute piss tonight..
"Liverpool are a team full of donkeys,Kuyt is a donkey,Masherano is a donkey,Arbeola is useless he is a complete donkey,Lucas is a Brazilian,he is the worst Brazilian to ever play football he is a donkey"
An easy 3-1 win tonight,Top of our Champions League group,joint top of the Premier League,already after beating Man United and Everton but Liverpool are still a team of donkeys ::)
Meant to ad he might have been right about one of the players ;)
hahaha oh my god that genuinely had me cracken up big time!!! i wouldn't lose a second's worth of sleep over that piss taking :D
only caught the last 10mins of game last night. good result against what seems were a very poor team. great to see robbie get the goal he badly needed, hopefully thats only the start of things to come from him. And great strike from Gerrard for his 100th.
wouldnt heed too much of what giles, dunphy & co. were saying. same old sh*t from them. Riera has started just 4 games for Liverpool and already they are accusing Rafa of turning him into another Kuyt. WTF ??? ???
But they did have a point about Rafa's loyalty to Kuyt. He plays nearly every single game for Liverpool and rarely gets taken off. Now every liverpool supporter appreciates Kuyt's workrate and he has come up with very important goals, but it is really amazing how much gametime the lad gets. anyway, no point opening up the whole kuyt debate again - Rafa sees him as a key man and that aint going to change anytime soon.
What will be interesting is how the midfield/attacking formation pans out. Alonso is back in form, Mascherano is a key player, Gerrard has played well in CM, Torres & Keane are just starting to form a partnership. Rafa has a number of options which is great, and he could go for 4-4-2 like last night or 4-2-3-1 with masch/alonso in CM, gerrard moving forward & keane losing out.
QuoteLiverpool are a team full of donkeys,Kuyt is a donkey,Masherano is a donkey,Arbeola is useless he is a complete donkey,Lucas is a Brazilian,he is the worst Brazilian to ever play football he is a donkey"
Accurate enough! ;)
How people don't see Kuty as a main man is beyond me. Nice article in the daily mail about him winning round the critics slowly and surely and people coping on to his value to the teasm. Was in the Kop last night so had a view of the picth that you don't get on tv and the space Kuyt creates for the overlapping defender is crazy. If we had someone like Evra in fullback we would swat teams out of the way. I know you should be saying our winger should be exposing the space but Kuyt knows he can not take a man on with the "skills to pay the bills" and he is just so intelligent about it now. Still frustrating - but has been one of our best players this season. 10 goals in 16 champions league games is superb especially for someone not playing as a striker - such contrast to his league scoring rate.
On the game itself, PSV were terrible. Even at 2-0 they kept the 5-4-1. Theye got joy down the wings but just did not want to commit men forward. For the Pool everyone was decent. Two centre-halfs were grand but a big sluggish for the goal. I said on this thread before the season started that Skrtl is going to have a massive year and he certainly is. Arbeloa, who I am continually impressed with, was dodgy last night and got turned too easily. Kuyt was very, very good. Alonso put in a great shift, I would of have had as my MOTM. Gerrard was quiet for the majority but, as usual, pulled out a clinker. Reira had a quiet enough match. Keane had another good hard-working display. He is like Kuyt with the amount of closing down he does. Torees look off the pace last night and I would of had him off before Robbie.
Interesting note - when Keane scored half the Kop started going Keano, Keano while the other half booed.
Cue, to the tune of let it be, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, his names not f**king Keano,, it's Robbie Keane.
Quote from: J70 on September 27, 2008, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 27, 2008, 07:43:58 PM
QuoteUnited only beat Bolton thanks to a foul and penalty no one except the referee saw
Obviously Rooney's goal doesn't count because......why exactly? It was never a penalty but there was a very strong chance United would have got the win anyway.
Mike Riley was a complete joke again (for both teams). He hands out cards for nothing. 7 bookings for United last week. Crazy red and yellows again today.
Seanie, for someone who generally appears to be an intelligent fellow, you really need to take the blinkers off when discussing United. Its a cliche that every ten year old knows that the first goal in a game like that is THE important moment of the game. Maybe United would have scored anyway, but it was certainly not a given, particularly when you look at Liverpool's struggle last week or Arsenal's today.
The initial post said United only won thanks to the penalty. That statement was horseshit. If it had said "largely thanks to" or something like that then fair enough but it didn't. Obviously the penalty was the most important incident but there was a fair chance United would have won anyway. I watched the game and the pattern of the game was actually unaffected by the penalty goal for what its worth.
Good result last night, won at a canter, pity about losing the goal.
As for Whelan, Dunphy & Giles. I think some of us are being a bit too defensive.
Putting the closing donkey remarks aside, the context of talking about Kyut was always prefaced by saying he was a very admirable player. Also Mascherano's was early decribed as more wrokman like than Alonso, which is a tad unfair to a lad who is beginning to play a bit of football. I thought a lot of it was no more than most Liverpool fans have discussed, even here - closing tirade apart.
I was watching the game with some mates and when Lucas came on the discussion was about how he was more a poor man's Gilberto Silva than Diego . The guy was in the papers saying he'd like more game time, which he's entitled to say, but taking into account his age, he simply isn't better than the other options in midfield...yet...he's no Denilson at Arsenal though. Maybe he should be given more matches, like League & FA cup to being him on. Babel definitely needs to be getting more game time in those sort of matches too, he maybe young, but he won't be forever. Doesn't like being kicked those he? :) Delighted for Robbie last night. Gerrard & Alonso looking the part. Riera didn't get up to much on the wing. Torres did well by times, but still seems a little leggy to me. Central defense solid other than being asleep for the goal. The old fullbacks still looking ordinary, but with Aurelio back from injury - hopefully he stays fit - maybe the left side will improve.
Roll on City, we'll have an even better idea of Liverpool's credentials after that match.
Quote from: Mentalman on October 02, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
Roll on City, we'll have an even better idea of Liverpool's credentials after that match.
Definitely think Masch will need to start this game to limit the threat of Robinho and Elano.
My team for Sunday
Reina
Arbeloa, Carra, Skrtel, Aurelio
Masch, Alonso
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres
Find it hard to leave Keane out but rafa will never drop kuyt. Babel to come on with 20 left and run them ragged
Quote from: corn02 on October 02, 2008, 10:11:00 AM
How people don't see Kuty as a main man is beyond me. Nice article in the daily mail about him winning round the critics slowly and surely and people coping on to his value to the teasm. Was in the Kop last night so had a view of the picth that you don't get on tv and the space Kuyt creates for the overlapping defender is crazy. If we had someone like Evra in fullback we would swat teams out of the way. I know you should be saying our winger should be exposing the space but Kuyt knows he can not take a man on with the "skills to pay the bills" and he is just so intelligent about it now. Still frustrating - but has been one of our best players this season. 10 goals in 16 champions league games is superb especially for someone not playing as a striker - such contrast to his league scoring rate.
On the game itself, PSV were terrible. Even at 2-0 they kept the 5-4-1. Theye got joy down the wings but just did not want to commit men forward. For the Pool everyone was decent. Two centre-halfs were grand but a big sluggish for the goal. I said on this thread before the season started that Skrtl is going to have a massive year and he certainly is. Arbeloa, who I am continually impressed with, was dodgy last night and got turned too easily. Kuyt was very, very good. Alonso put in a great shift, I would of have had as my MOTM. Gerrard was quiet for the majority but, as usual, pulled out a clinker. Reira had a quiet enough match. Keane had another good hard-working display. He is like Kuyt with the amount of closing down he does. Torees look off the pace last night and I would of had him off before Robbie.
Interesting note - when Keane scored half the Kop started going Keano, Keano while the other half booed.
Cue, to the tune of let it be, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, his names not f**king Keano,, it's Robbie Keane.
16 CL games!!! I dont think so Corn, more like 26 CL appearances. And dont forget that it was only in the middle of last season that kuyt reverted to the right midfield position so he's played plenty of games as a striker.
But I do think he is an important player to the squad - his workrate is immence, he's an intelligent player, he has scored some important goals. but there are alot of negatives to his game aswell and I just find it frustrating that in games when Liverpool are chasing a goal, he's the very last person to come off - Rafa would prefer to take off Keane/Alonso/Riera etc. Anyway, as I said I dont want to open the whole kuyt debate again.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2008, 11:13:43 AM
Quote from: J70 on September 27, 2008, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 27, 2008, 07:43:58 PM
QuoteUnited only beat Bolton thanks to a foul and penalty no one except the referee saw
Obviously Rooney's goal doesn't count because......why exactly? It was never a penalty but there was a very strong chance United would have got the win anyway.
Mike Riley was a complete joke again (for both teams). He hands out cards for nothing. 7 bookings for United last week. Crazy red and yellows again today.
Seanie, for someone who generally appears to be an intelligent fellow, you really need to take the blinkers off when discussing United. Its a cliche that every ten year old knows that the first goal in a game like that is THE important moment of the game. Maybe United would have scored anyway, but it was certainly not a given, particularly when you look at Liverpool's struggle last week or Arsenal's today.
The initial post said United only won thanks to the penalty. That statement was horseshit. If it had said "largely thanks to" or something like that then fair enough but it didn't. Obviously the penalty was the most important incident but there was a fair chance United would have won anyway. I watched the game and the pattern of the game was actually unaffected by the penalty goal for what its worth.
Ok pedant!
Quote from: stevo-08 on October 02, 2008, 01:52:29 PM
Quote from: corn02 on October 02, 2008, 10:11:00 AM
How people don't see Kuty as a main man is beyond me. Nice article in the daily mail about him winning round the critics slowly and surely and people coping on to his value to the teasm. Was in the Kop last night so had a view of the picth that you don't get on tv and the space Kuyt creates for the overlapping defender is crazy. If we had someone like Evra in fullback we would swat teams out of the way. I know you should be saying our winger should be exposing the space but Kuyt knows he can not take a man on with the "skills to pay the bills" and he is just so intelligent about it now. Still frustrating - but has been one of our best players this season. 10 goals in 16 champions league games is superb especially for someone not playing as a striker - such contrast to his league scoring rate.
On the game itself, PSV were terrible. Even at 2-0 they kept the 5-4-1. Theye got joy down the wings but just did not want to commit men forward. For the Pool everyone was decent. Two centre-halfs were grand but a big sluggish for the goal. I said on this thread before the season started that Skrtl is going to have a massive year and he certainly is. Arbeloa, who I am continually impressed with, was dodgy last night and got turned too easily. Kuyt was very, very good. Alonso put in a great shift, I would of have had as my MOTM. Gerrard was quiet for the majority but, as usual, pulled out a clinker. Reira had a quiet enough match. Keane had another good hard-working display. He is like Kuyt with the amount of closing down he does. Torees look off the pace last night and I would of had him off before Robbie.
Interesting note - when Keane scored half the Kop started going Keano, Keano while the other half booed.
Cue, to the tune of let it be, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, his names not f**king Keano,, it's Robbie Keane.
16 CL games!!! I dont think so Corn, more like 26 CL appearances.
Where you getting that sta. Every paper said 10th in 16 games?
it's 10 goals in 27 European Appearances
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/k/kuyt_47998.stm
Not a bad scoring ratio at all, and some of those were in big games too.
In Liverpool's last 17 champion's league games (including 3 qualifiers) Kuyt has started in 14, come on as a sub in 2 (on in the 85th min in one) and didn't play in the other. In these games he has scored 9 goals. So a record of 14 starts, 2 sub, scoring 9 goals is pretty good in my book
Quote from: gawa316 on October 02, 2008, 03:17:45 PM
In Liverpool's last 17 champion's league games (including 3 qualifiers) Kuyt has started in 14, come on as a sub in 2 (on in the 85th min in one) and didn't play in the other. In these games he has scored 9 goals. So a record of 14 starts, 2 sub, scoring 9 goals is pretty good in my book
He must be in contention for European player of the year!?
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on October 02, 2008, 03:19:35 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 02, 2008, 03:17:45 PM
In Liverpool's last 17 champion's league games (including 3 qualifiers) Kuyt has started in 14, come on as a sub in 2 (on in the 85th min in one) and didn't play in the other. In these games he has scored 9 goals. So a record of 14 starts, 2 sub, scoring 9 goals is pretty good in my book
He must be in contention for European player of the year!?
It probably is comparable or better than Benson & Hedges.
i happened to flick round to the footie last night and noticed a stat that came up during the match, Jammie Carragher, 40% success pass rate. sums it it for ya ::)
I must get my eyes tested, I thought it said 100% ???
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 03:42:57 PM
i happened to flick round to the footie last night and noticed a stat that came up during the match, Jammie Carragher, 40% success pass rate. sums it it for ya ::)
Milltown is going blind though because of other pursuits :o
maybe the 100% success thing was for forward passes ;D
he'd be a great rugy player, his passes always goes back, he usually kicks into touch, and is great at the Garryowen. and to be fair a great tackler
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 02, 2008, 02:56:07 PM
it's 10 goals in 27 European Appearances
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/k/kuyt_47998.stm
No, is it not 10 in his lat 16 I meant. Superb ratio, doubt there is much better in the Champions League? I am being serious here, it is a great ratio.
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 03:42:57 PM
i happened to flick round to the footie last night and noticed a stat that came up during the match, Jammie Carragher, 40% success pass rate. sums it it for ya ::)
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/champions-league/2008-2009/liverpool-psv-253818.html
Jamie Carragher: Accurate Passes - 54, Bad Passes - 9. So more like 85% success rate, but close enough miltown ::)
brilliant stato, as i said i was flicking and that stat came up ;). how many were back to his keeper? doubt that stat would be there
A defender passing back to his 'keeper,madness.
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 04:23:42 PMhow many were back to his keeper? doubt that stat would be there
does those passes not count or something?
highly entertaining lads, he's a quality attacking player, he proves that everytime he takes to the pitch. THE STAT CAME ON THE TV, I AINT MAKING IT UP
a lot of 'defending' going on here, playing the ball back to the keeper has been a trait of the pool for years, and with Jamie being a pool man, born and bred, he'll not change that stat.
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 04:43:44 PMhe's a quality attacking player, he proves that everytime he takes to the pitch.
what are you blethering about now?
The stat that came up Milltown was 40 passes 100% completed. I'll admit I noticed it aswell as I was kinda surprised by how good it was for Carragher.
oh sorry lads, it was very badly arranged on tv. i'll take it all back
The new official Robbie Keane song.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=XahKWj2TF3I (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=XahKWj2TF3I)
Been in the media the last few days, forgot to post:
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Rafa - Agger not for sale
Reds boss rejects Real rumours
Last updated: 3rd October 2008
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has rejected reports linking Daniel Agger with a possible move to Real Madrid.
Reports had suggested that Real were lining up a move for the Danish central defender when the transfer window reopens in January.
Real's vice-president Jose Angel Sanchez was quoted as saying Agger was among their top targets as they look to bolster their defensive options.
Agger has struggled to reclaim his place in the Liverpool side this season after recovering from a foot injury which ruled him out for the majority of last term.
The 23-year-old's frustration at his lack of action has fuelled speculation over his future, but Benitez is adamant the highly-rated central defender is going nowhere.
Not for sale
"The situation is very simple, Daniel Agger is our player and he is not for sale," said Benitez on a statement issued on Liverpool's official website.
"His future is at Anfield and nowhere else. He knows my ideas because we have talked with him and he has a long future with us.
"We do not want to lose our concentration just before we play Manchester City by talking about other things but it is important that people know that Agger is not for sale."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4240427,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4240427,00.html)
Reputedly only 18-months left on his current deal, if he doesn't extend soon I imagine the pressure will be to move him on in January before he becomes a rapidly redepreciating asset.
This will put pressure on Rafa now to play Agger imo. Can see him getting an extended run in the team before christmas, but who makes way? left back seems to be the only position available at the moment despite my thoughts on Arbeloa,who in fairness has done well in the last few outings.
Any team news for today?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 12:31:33 PM
This will put pressure on Rafa now to play Agger imo. Can see him getting an extended run in the team before christmas, but who makes way? left back seems to be the only position available at the moment despite my thoughts on Arbeloa,who in fairness has done well in the last few outings.
Any team news for today?
Skertel makes way for Agger....Better player....Agger's a better all round footballer than Carragher as well but i think Carragher is a better defensive wise...And i'm a gooner so keep on Skertel and carragher
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Credit crunch delays new Kop
Sunday, 5 October 2008 10:56
Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry today insisted the club's new stadium will still be built - but only after the current financial turmoil stabilises.
Parry also made it clear that the club's opposition to ground sharing with Everton has not changed.
And he revealed that attempts to buy the club have 'gone very quiet'.
Work on the Stanley Park project has come to a halt following a decision to delay the building, maybe for a year, because of the credit squeeze.
Parry told BBC Five Live's Sportsweek: 'Ground share is not being considered. With the financial markets in the turmoil as they are, any major construction project at this time is difficult, it is risky.
'It is a case of a delay while things settle down, it is still a very, very good long term project. The economics of it still make underlying sense.
'I do not see any change in direction or any change in plans, and ground share is not back on the agenda.
'The point is, at this moment it is not the most sensible time to be borrowing huge amounts of money with the markets in turmoil. That will settle down and availability of money will increase.
'The project makes long term sense, it is the supply of money that is an issue, that will correct itself in time.'
The ownership of the club is also unlikely to change at present, said Parry.
He said: 'It has gone quiet and everyone is delighted. The focus at Liverpool should only ever be on football.
'All is relatively stable, I am not aware of anything that is happening regarding the sale of the club at this moment. My focus is on day-to-day things and making sure we deliver.
'I am not sure of anything going on, it is a question best directed to the owners. As far as I am concerned we are focusing on things that we can control.
'We are trying to do the very best to produce a team that performs on the pitch.'
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1005/liverpool.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/1005/liverpool.html)
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on October 05, 2008, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 12:31:33 PM
This will put pressure on Rafa now to play Agger imo. Can see him getting an extended run in the team before christmas, but who makes way? left back seems to be the only position available at the moment despite my thoughts on Arbeloa,who in fairness has done well in the last few outings.
Any team news for today?
Skertel makes way for Agger....Better player....Agger's a better all round footballer than Carragher as well but i think Carragher is a better defensive wise...And i'm a gooner so keep on Skertel and carragher
Medium term Agger & Skrtel would be the planned centre-half pairing, offering good balance in my opinion. Best thing for the club to do now would be to get Agger signed on for another 4 years immediately. I mean with Real sniffing who's to say he will sign a contract even if he is given an extended run in the side and does well? I can't see Benitez changing the back pairing just to accomodate Agger, given the absolute faith he has placed in Carragher over the years. Add to that Skrtel's impressive start to the season. The only way to accommodate all 3 would be to push Carragher to right back, which he doesn't have the engine for anymore. In any event that would mean paying your 3 centre back options in most games, not clever with a long season ahead.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 12:31:33 PM
Any team news for today?
None yet. BBC reporting Javier Mascherano may return for Liverpool after being rested for the midweek win over PSV Eindhoven &
Ryan Babel and Fernando Torres picked up minor knocks against the Dutch side but both are expected to be fit, but that is just space filing conjecture I reckon.
I don't think he will drop either Skertel or Carra just to suit one player why would he ??? The centre backs are playing well together at the moment,If Agger goes next year then he goes I don't think it be right just to play him because we might lose him in 18 months..
Anyways it might not just be Agger going in 18months,Rafa has only 18 months left on his contract and no sign of a new contract being offered
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 05, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
I don't think he will drop either Skertel or Carra just to suit one player why would he ??? The centre backs are playing well together at the moment,If Agger goes next year then he goes I don't think it be right just to play him because we might lose him in 18 months..
Anyways it might not just be Agger going in 18months,Rafa has only 18 months left on his contract and no sign of a new contract being offered
Maybe because Agger's a better footballer...IMO
Agger is a top class defender who has been unlucky with injury. Had he stayed injury free he would be a regular by now! Think it would be crazy to let him go.
Fancy a few goals for both teams today!
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on October 05, 2008, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 05, 2008, 12:51:37 PM
I don't think he will drop either Skertel or Carra just to suit one player why would he ??? The centre backs are playing well together at the moment,If Agger goes next year then he goes I don't think it be right just to play him because we might lose him in 18 months..
Anyways it might not just be Agger going in 18months,Rafa has only 18 months left on his contract and no sign of a new contract being offered
Maybe because Agger's a better footballer...IMO
Yeah but if its not broken don't fix it IMO...
Agree it would be a shame to lose Agger and I also think he is a better player than Skertel,but players come and go and someone else would come in to fill his boots.
I certainly wouldnt be dropping Carra for either of them though
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 05, 2008, 03:49:02 AM
The new official Robbie Keane song.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=XahKWj2TF3I (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=XahKWj2TF3I)
Is that your video GBB, I was about three rows behind that seat?
Mash in, Keane out. I suppose Gerrard wil play last years roll.
Hope we have a go at city, as I think they will concede and are taleented but lightweight in Midfield.
Is the game online anywhere?
Man City: Hart, Zabaleta, Dunne, Richards, Garrido, Wright-Phillips, Ireland, Kompany, Elano, Robinho, Jo.
Subs: Schmeichel, Petrov, Fernandes, Hamann, Evans, Ben-Haim, Sturridge.
Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Mascherano, Kuyt, Gerrard, Alonso, Riera, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Keane, Benayoun, Babel, Leiva Lucas.
Referee: Peter Walton (Northamptonshire).
Interesting lineup - pack midfield, but with the option of pushing Kuyt up and Gerrard wide if the game has to be chased.
Any links to watch the match chaps?
Quote from: gawa316 on October 02, 2008, 12:18:40 PM
Definitely think Masch will need to start this game to limit the threat of Robinho and Elano.
My team for Sunday
Reina
Arbeloa, Carra, Skrtel, Aurelio
Masch, Alonso
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres
Find it hard to leave Keane out but rafa will never drop kuyt. Babel to come on with 20 left and run them ragged
I've only gone and predicted Rafa's line up. That's a first (and probably a last!)
Quote from: Minder on October 05, 2008, 02:43:48 PM
Any links to watch the match chaps?
Go on www.justin.tv they'll have a few streams
Agger gonna get his chance now,Skertel badly injured or so it looks
Great comeback in the 2nd half - who said Torre couldn't score away from home.
Sktrel is fucked
6 minutes of injury time - c'mon
3-2 f**king yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DONKEY DIRTY DIRK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the worst !!! aagh suppose liverpool deserve their 2 minutes in the spotlight....its all chelski this year premiership...utd for champs league
Epic is what that was :)
Great game great result....
Have we turned the corner?
Some result! Thought they were dead and buried, but what a comeback! Roll on Chelsea!
Showed good character today to come back, although city should have shut up shop at half time. Torres again class !!
Great result!
Great comeback. They really used the width of the field well today. Big change from the first few weeks of the season.
could be worse! could be an arsenal fan....they never cease to amaze me
hull win 2-1 at emirates....4 days later they smash porto 4-0...then an injury time goal rescues a point against sunderland
The win is diluted somewhat by Skertl's injury at the end, looked a horrible one. You know if he stays down its bad. Would have been happy with a point before the game so to get all 3 is great. Some things change with City and some things stay the same, if there is a way of f**king it up they will find a way............
I hope Skrtel isn't badly hurt, but there is an able replacement in Agger. Its not like losing Torres.
Thought we played really well today, and we looked like the home team. Their 1st goal was a bit of a freak goal and the second was a good free kick but I thought we were unlucky to be 2 down. I always thought though it we kept playin the way we were playin we'd get something.
Feckin great result, just hope Skrtel isn't out for long
Quote from: J70 on October 05, 2008, 05:07:49 PM
I hope Skrtel isn't badly hurt, but there is an able replacement in Agger. Its not like losing Torres.
I dunno J70, Agger is a totally differnet type of defender and can be out muscled at times, Skrtel couldnt. We are lucky to have someone of such a high level to step in. Skrtle was on the oxygen which is never a good sign. Dont even tempt fate about Torres !
(http://football.blog.lemonde.fr/files/2007/02/kuyt-the-sun.1171881427.jpg)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/55f66x.jpg)
Dirk Kuyt is a fantastic player, much better than that imposter Derek Kuyt who has been playing for the last year for Liverpool :P
These are the lind of wins United would get on way to titles, but it is time to keep feet planted.
Pity about Skertle but the upside is that it will ensure that Agger signs a new contract as he will get a run of games and the opportunity to put himslef in the box seat.
Kuyt is a great advert for bad 1980's hairstyles........
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0auz8Hp4uC2Dy/610x.jpg)
class win for the reds. really thought they were gone at the start of the second half but they showed great fiting spirit! hopefully can push on in the league now and stay up there with chelski!
Any links to see the goals from today
been looking on the net for a few myself but havnt come across any, mite be too soon after the match. anyone?
Quote from: Class of 99 on October 05, 2008, 06:58:13 PM
Any links to see the goals from today
http://www.eplmatches.com/index.php/2008/10/05/man-city-vs-liverpool-highlights/ (http://www.eplmatches.com/index.php/2008/10/05/man-city-vs-liverpool-highlights/)
Totally made up. Not just the reult but the fact that Kuyt got the winner. I am a massive fan of his and when he missed the shot I was thinking I couldn't even defend him this week but he made amends. One of our best big-game players.
Just saw Irelands first goal just there on MOTD,despite the mix up in the defense it was some finish
I would love him to come back to the Irish team even after everything that has happened
Quote from: hardstation on October 05, 2008, 10:15:47 PM
Did Liverpool have a man sent off?
No they had used their 3 subs when Skrtl got injured so had to play with 10
Quote from: corn02 on October 05, 2008, 09:42:07 PM
Totally made up. Not just the reult but the fact that Kuyt got the winner. I am a massive fan of his and when he missed the shot I was thinking I couldn't even defend him this week but he made amends. One of our best big-game players.
Yea, credit where credit's due Corn, Kuyt really is a man for the big occasions. He really is answering his critics, myself included. Maybe due to his personal difficulties last year, he should have been given the benefit of the doubt.
Thats 2 good away wins on the bounce. Have shown great character this year. Next up Wigan and Rafa has a brutal record against Bruce, so it'd be great to sort that out with another 3 points. Hopefully skrtel's injury isnt as bad as it looked.
Skrtel was lucky to be on the pitch he could very well have been sent off for a high tackle just before he got injured
Next 5 games
Wigan
Chelsea (away)
Pompy
Spuds (away)
West Brom
13/15 points would be a good return and should be capable of getting it
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 05, 2008, 10:21:29 PM
Skrtel was lucky to be on the pitch he could very well have been sent off for a high tackle just before he got injured
I didn't think so at the time, although I'd need to see it again to be sure. He caught Jo on the follow-through after winning the header, although many refs probably would have given a free. If red cards were dished out every time something like that happened, there is probably not a team in the league who wouldn't see their goalkeepers sent off a couple of times a season.
Quote from: J70 on October 05, 2008, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 05, 2008, 10:21:29 PM
Skrtel was lucky to be on the pitch he could very well have been sent off for a high tackle just before he got injured
I didn't think so at the time, although I'd need to see it again to be sure. He caught Jo on the follow-through after winning the header, although many refs probably would have given a free. If red cards were dished out every time something like that happened, there is probably not a team in the league who wouldn't see their goalkeepers sent off a couple of times a season.
I didn't think so either but after watching it on Match of the Day he could easily have got red
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 05, 2008, 11:57:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 05, 2008, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 05, 2008, 10:21:29 PM
Skrtel was lucky to be on the pitch he could very well have been sent off for a high tackle just before he got injured
I didn't think so at the time, although I'd need to see it again to be sure. He caught Jo on the follow-through after winning the header, although many refs probably would have given a free. If red cards were dished out every time something like that happened, there is probably not a team in the league who wouldn't see their goalkeepers sent off a couple of times a season.
I didn't think so either but after watching it on Match of the Day he could easily have got red
Did he kick out at Jo?
I don't know how coincidental it is, but am I alone in thinking that there has been a dramatic change in Liverpool's form and formation since Riera arrived? We were all moaning about the lack of passion and the narrowness of the play during the first few weeks of the season. Since that United game however, Liverpool have been getting the ball down and using the wings all the time. They were back and forth across the pitch today, stretching City, and trying to get wide players in on the overlap. Two of the goals came from that, and another two or three great chances were created also. Maybe it has got a lot to do with the confidence boost provided by beating United as well, but I definitely think the addition of Riera has changed things significantly for the better.
Not sure J70, but there could be something in that. It didn't show it so much on the BBC highlights but he kept running at Zabeleta, and getting wide, resulting in Zabeleta making a few wild swipes at him. He's a tricky customer and mad to get on the ball. That frustration might have been on show when the Argentine launched himself at Alonso - second week in a row he's escaped serious injury. Good to see the team finally use a bit of width, even had the fullbacks overlapping today which is great. Disappointed to see Mascher ball watching again for Ireland's goal, similar to the Utd. game, most unlike him and the full price has been exacted both times. For the second game this season Kuyt gets to play through the middle and proves himself a worthy foil for Torres, could have had a hattrick today. So should have Torres. In fact Keane's intervention, for the second time this season, might have stopped Torres but played Kuyt in. When you see last minute goals like that going in you can't help but start to get ahead of yourself a little. If Skrtel somehow escapes serious injury all will still be rosy in the garden.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 05, 2008, 10:31:19 PM
Next 5 games
Wigan
Chelsea (away)
Pompy
Spuds (away)
West Brom
13/15 points would be a good return and should be capable of getting it
11 would be acceptable.
Martin Skrtel will discover in the next 24 hours how long he will be out of action after a scan revealed posterior cruciate ligament damage in his right knee.
The Slovakian defender was stretchered off during Sunday's 3-2 victory at Manchester City after falling awkwardly on the edge of his own penalty area.
"Martin underwent a scan this morning which showed damage to the posterior cruciate ligament in his right knee," said club spokesman Ian Cotton.
"He will see a specialist tomorrow to assess the extent of the injury and will then have an accurate idea of the timescales involved before he is back playing again."
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...081006-1100.htm
I saw his 'tackle' on Sky news. It is a pity for him that he was not sent off as he should have been. :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on October 06, 2008, 12:17:20 PM
I saw his 'tackle' on Sky news. It is a pity for him that he was not sent off as he should have been. :-\
Hindsight is a fool's wisdom.
So Im a fool then :D ::)
Well that much is obvious, trying to point score over a potentially serious injury to a footballer.
Quote from: Mentalman on October 06, 2008, 01:20:49 PM
Well that much is obvious, trying to point score over a potentially serious injury to a footballer.
Think he means the challenge beforehand which, incidentally, was as much as a red card as it was a goat.
Quote from: Mentalman on October 06, 2008, 01:20:49 PM
Well that much is obvious, trying to point score over a potentially serious injury to a footballer.
As Corn said it was his first tackle I ment about the red card. As bad as I am I would not take pleasure out of this type of injury :-\ I think you picked me up wrong in the first post.
Corn it was a very high tackle that I have seen red cards for before ???
On 2nd viewing of said tackle i thought at the very least it deserved a yellow
Quote from: EC Unique on October 06, 2008, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on October 06, 2008, 01:20:49 PM
Well that much is obvious, trying to point score over a potentially serious injury to a footballer.
As Corn said it was his first tackle I ment about the red card. As bad as I am I would not take pleasure out of this type of injury :-\ I think you picked me up wrong in the first post.
Corn it was a very high tackle that I have seen red cards for before ???
True and it would not have surprised me if it was red. I suppose I only had limited viewing but it looked to me like it was 100% accidental and he just went for te ball. I would need to see it again and it may indeed be a goat.
A bit of bedtime reading.......
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/system/topicRoot/Liverpool_under_Paisley_and_Fag/
Better news than expected.........
Liverpool have been buoyed by news Martin Skrtel does not need surgery on his right knee and could be back on the pitch by Christmas.
The centre-back, who suffered posterior cruciate ligament damage in the latter stages of our 3-2 victory at Eastlands on Sunday, had a scan on Tuesday afternoon.
Club spokesman Ian Cotton said: "Martin was examined by a specialist today, who confirmed the player does not require surgery and is expected to be back playing by Christmas."
Earlier in the day, boss Rafa Benitez admitted the loss of Skrtel was a blow, but claimed the presence of Sami Hyypia and Daniel Agger provided a silver lining.
"Everyone can see that the understanding between Martin and Carra is becoming really good," Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv. "To lose a player who is doing well is always a problem. It's bad news, but we have other options.
"Martin has learned a lot. He already had good qualities and potential when we decided to bring him here. We had a lot of confidence in him but you can always improve, especially playing alongside experienced players and working under the staff here. He has done that.
"He has given me a selection headache this season but that is a good problem for me as a manager."
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...081007-1823.htm
RAFA BENITEZ will be a shock target for Juventus — unless Liverpool's owners sort a new deal.
The Serie A side have made a dismal start to the season and the storm clouds are gathering round boss Claudio Ranieri.
Reports in Italy insist the Turin club will try to tempt Benitez from Anfield in the New Year unless there is a sharp about-turn in results.
And that has heightened the pressure on Tom Hicks and George Gillett to offer the Kop boss a new contract or risk him being tempted by a bumper offer from Italy.
Hicks insisted SEVEN months ago he wanted to extend Benitez's contract by another year on top of the 18 months remaining on his current deal.
Yet there are growing fears the co-owner was merely paying lip service to the situation, as he went on a charm offensive after the Americans' stock hit rock-bottom with fans.
Benitez admitted: "I would prefer to have a long-term contract and then you can have a long-term plan.
"I've always said I want to stay here for many years, and I still have the same idea."
Liverpool have revealed defender Martin Skrtel, who damaged ligaments in his right knee in Sunday's win at Manchester City, does not need an op and should return by Christmas.
wouldnt worry, how many times has he been linked with madrid etc like this!!
http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_4289877,00.html
Nothing like putting personal glory before that of the team Fernando!
Torres dreaming of Ballon d'Or
Liverpool and Spain striker Fernando Torres admits it would be a dream come true for him to be awarded the Ballon d'Or for 2008.
Torres is among the contenders to land the accolade, which is presented in December, after enjoying an impressive last 12 months.
The former Atletico Madrid forward netted 33 goals in all competitions during his debut campaign on Merseyside last term.
He then played a key role in Spain's Euro 2008 glory, scoring the decisive strike in their triumph over Germany in the final.
Torres faces stiff competition from the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi for the prize and concedes he never previously thought it realistic that he would be in the running to be named European Footballer of the Year.
He told L'Equipe: "When I have watched the Ballon d'Or presentation on television I saw the likes of Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldinho and Kaka.
"I told myself that trophy was for players from another galaxy. Now I am among the candidates, and I cannot believe it.
"Winning the award would be like climbing to the top of Everest and touching the sky."
Torres also expressed his joy at playing for Liverpool, adding: "I am at ease in England. I wanted to play there so strongly, to discover the Premier League.
"At Liverpool I have started a second life. It is great."
Where has he put personal glory before the team otb?
I don't see the problem with this OTB. what is worng with aspiring to be recognised as the best?
A good point well made OTB, i particularly didnt like the point he made about rather winning an individual honour than a trophy with Liverpool...............
That's serious grasping at straws there OTB. :-\
Surely you'd expect him to say "It would be an honour to win the ballon d'or but my primary focus is on trying to win the league for Liverpool"? That's what you have come to expect from every pro nowadays when interviewed.
To say - "Winning the award would be like climbing to the top of Everest and touching the sky" infers that this award means more to him than any trophy with the team, as the phrase itself means you cannot get any higher.
Catch a grip OTB
Think the Scousers have a point here OTB. Who knows what ball he said, half his quote may have been edited out and it all depends on the question.
As with almost every transfer story of the summer the paperes and websites are totally full of crap. It's got to the point where you can't even believe a direct quote.
Torres' quotes seem fair enough and so far at Liverpool he's been the perfect signing.
Never a word of discontent out of him and he's proved himself as the best striker in the world this last year.
hahahah good fishing OTB, you still thinking of Dromintee on OCT 18?
Hardly surprising considering he was prob being asked about his nomination for the ballon d'or which would be as much to do with his European Championship exploits as anything else.
fair play to him for bein happy with his personal performance, im sure no one in the liverpool camp be it players or supporters would begrudge the lad winning the award. he deserves it for his performances over the last year or so!
Good interview with carragher in the times today.
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Jamie Carragher's club passion
Jamie Carragher explains his love for Liverpool and why he thinks about winning the Premier League title every single day
Jonathan Northcroft
He's in the main part of his restaurant, in the city centre, amid the lunch time crowd. Jamie Carragher is not being flash, the opposite applies. Liverpool is different. Flash would entail a private dining room. In few places is football so much part of life, and being seen to be part of the place's life is important.
"Go on, lad," smiles Carragher when a customer wants a photograph. A favourite motto comes from the former Anfield chairman Sir John Smith: "We're a very, very modest club at Liverpool. We don't talk. We don't boast. But we're very professional." Carragher's personal translation? "Actions speak louder than words." Accordingly, his actions characterise him. Extra-time in Istanbul, when he threw a body burning with cramp into tackle after block, tells of the sportsman; paying £1,700 to fly home a supporter who lost his passport attending the Club World Championship in Tokyo tells of the man. But his words are also worth experiencing.
Carragher has just written one of the best player autobiographies you could read, typically a product of honesty and dedication, every chapter redrafted "four or five times". The Kop dreams of a "team of Carraghers". Journalists – providing they understand Scouse – wouldn't mind a game full of them.
The Book of Carragher, Part I: Roots
Today will end in Blundellsands, by Crosby Beach, where Carragher, his wife Nicola and their children James and Mia live. It is an exclusive location but not far from Bootle, where he grew up and might still be found on (nowadays rare) nights out. The interview is running on and when his dad calls, Carragher asks if he can walk the kids home from school. There was hardly any media at his book launch, just family and friends. "People say, 'You don't forget where you're from' but to be honest it's not a conscious thing. If I preferred something else I'd do that instead, but the way I am I'd rather mix with people I know and in a place I know," Carragher says. "It's not done deliberately, for praise."
Now retired from international football, a controversial revelation in the autobiography was that after missing a World Cup penalty his consolation was thinking at least it wasn't for Liverpool. "One of the reasons I came out with the stuff about England was . . . in Liverpool we probably see ourselves as an island," he begins. "It's hard to explain but we want to fight the world and stuff like that. I know we get criticism for that 'self-pity' thing but we're just a very close community, you fight for your own and families are very important."
Even when watching England play on television, the Mersey streams in front of his eyes. "I wouldn't say we like the negative image others give Liverpool but it gives us something to rally against," he says. "People here have got a bit of life, haven't they? That's what I think when I look at the England team. The two best players are Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard. They can put in a tackle and look after themselves but also have the creative spark. People from Liverpool can be . . . in the nicest possible way . . . little f****** and Stevie and Wayne have that devilment."
Mersey pride is at the heart of a major concern. Carragher and Gerrard, heart and soul of the team, preserve Liverpool's Scouse personality on the pitch but no lad from the club's academy has established himself since Gerrard's emergence a decade ago. Now there are 30 overseas youngsters on Liverpool's books. "The foreign player issue has to be addressed. At all clubs," says Carragher.
"Don't get me wrong, good foreigners are great for the Premiership but what worries me is when we get foreign kids in at 16, 17. There has to be something to stop that, to help clubs keep their identities. I think about when I was that age. If I'd been 18 and Liverpool had brought the Spain Under18 captain into my position it would have been deflating. I always thank my stars I came in just as the foreign invasion was starting. I wasn't Stevie at 18. I was a very good player and would have always had the mental strength to take my opportunity, but I wonder whether I'd have been given it.
"I don't know when the next Liverpool lad will break into our first team and I don't think the academy system is what it should be. The kids don't have jobs now, don't play Sunday boys' football, and those things toughen you up. I don't see as many little f****** as in my day. There's a lot of nice lads but football's not for nice lads."
He loves local players, one-club men, everywhere. "It's why I was made up that Stevie stayed," he says. "He's the symbol of Liverpool. You think of AC Milan and Maldini; Real Madrid and Raul; Juventus and Del Piero; Scholes and Giggs, who deep down every Liverpool fan respects. Tony Adams – he only played for Arsenal – I love that. For someone to ask, 'Who did you play for?' and to be able to answer a single name, 'Liverpool', that would be brilliant. I don't think I'll ever leave . . . though to be honest I've never picked up the Sunday papers and seen, 'Jamie Carragher is wanted by X'. That'd be nice, you know, just for a little ego boost . . . could it be arranged? I see other players, 'Real Madrid want so and so' and you think, 'He's f****** crap! Him?!"
The Book of Carragher, Part II: Rafa
Today featured a lecture from the gaffer on a technical point of defending. Though Carragher believes the Liverpool reigns of Roy Evans and Gerard Houllier are underrated, Rafael Benitez is "the biggest influence on my career. Even this morning he took me aside after training. Robbie Keane was saying, 'Jeez, he talked to you like you're a YTS player . . .' You get used to it. Rafa is always on your back. Some players can't handle that. Me, I don't like it but I'm the sort of person who responds. You've always got that thing in the back of your mind with Rafa, 'Does he actually think I'm any good?' You're always wanting to prove yourself. He hasn't got much good to say about anyone, Rafa. . . even other managers."
He and his mentor had a false start. At Euro 2004 Benitez, newly appointed by Liverpool, visited the England camp to meet Carragher, Gerrard and Michael Owen. The trio thought it was nice he would go to such lengths. The ego-stroking they expected did not materialise. Benitez sketched out an XI that, to Carragher's dismay, had him at right-back and told Gerrard he should stop running about so much "and said to Michael you've got to get back to the way you were in 2001!"
In his book, Carragher jokes that Benitez is like a pub bore. "I hope people understood I was being light-hearted," he says. "I meant that he's always got to have the last word. Whatever your opinion is, he always has a better one. He's the person who always thinks he knows best for you – and is usually right. There are times you want to tell him to . . . but later you think, 'That was good for me'.
"The job he's done is sometimes overlooked. Don't forget that within a week of walking in the door he lost Michael [Owen] and had just been given Djibril Cisse. He stayed with the team in Tokyo when his dad had just died, which was an unbelievable gesture towards the players and the club. He's taken defence to another level. He goes into every detail, tiny little things like body positions, how to react when the opposition use different formations. Basically, he's trying to copy the AC Milan of Franco Baresi. He can change systems five times in a game. In Robbie's first match he ended up on the left wing because Rafa noticed something about Lazio which made him want three in the middle – and that was just a friendly.
"To be honest, British players find that [flexibility] more difficult than foreign ones and maybe that's why some he's bought did not do so well. But another strength is he recognises his transfer mistakes. Every manager makes them and there's nothing worse than the manager playing players to justify himself. That's disrespectful to the rest of the squad. When Rafa picks you, it's because you're in the best XI to play that game." There's a surprising someone else Carragher admires. "I don't have heroes outside football and my family," he says. "If I had to pick a nonLiverpool or nonEverton person . . . to be honest I just love them managers. Alex Ferguson's brilliant. I know it's mad because he's the Man U manager but if you asked who I'd like to spend two hours with, have a meal with and talk about football, it would have to be him. I love the way he tells everyone to f*** off."
The Book of Carragher, Part III: Realising the dream
Today began with an odd breakfast conversation with James Carragher Jr, aged five. "I've been obsessed with football since I was three or four and my son's getting worryingly like that. He remembers things from the Euros, games, goals. He was talking about last year's Champions League semi-final, just brought it up, 'Dad, did John Terry play in the game you lost 3-2?' And I was thinking, 'What made you think of that?'"
Carragher says "it's very likely" he'll end up a manager but worries that the difficulty he already has in switching off from the game would be exacerbated. He remembers a squad meal after losing a Merseyside derby when Gerrard, from the other end of the table, was texting him to cheer up "because my face was in my bowl of soup". Liverpool's comeback at Manchester City stirred every red, except one. "We conceded two goals and even now it's nagging at the back of my mind."
This brings Carragher to his biggest obsession. "I think about the title every day, more than once. Easily. To do it with Liverpool would mean so much more, that was my argument with Stevie when Chelsea wanted him." In the City game, Liverpool looked like contenders. "We scored the winning goal after Martin Skrtel went off and it was 10 v 10. We had no centre-back, it was just me. We could easily have dropped Xabi Alonso back but a few lads – it wasn't even the manager – said, 'No, we'll keep men forward and go for it. We're aware, now, you've got to go for wins in this league. Draws kill you.
"People should stop saying we've made a great start, though. I'm thinking, 'We've only played seven games and we're Liverpool. Shouldn't we be up there? Am I missing something?' We're not Hull. If we're still up there in March we can talk about it, until then focus on doing our best in every game. Actions speak louder than words."
Three questions for Carragher
Who is the best player you've played against?
'Thierry Henry. He was probably the best player in the world and I was playing at right-back when I started playing against him. Everyone knows that playing at full-back against Arsenal in those days was tough, what with Robert Pires going inside, Henry coming wide, Ashley Cole bombing on. Henry gave me a few good chasings over the years. Sheer class and pace'
What is your favourite place in the world?
'Apart from Istanbul? Probably Marsh Lane. It's where it all started for me. In Bootle. The Brunny [Brunswick] boys' club, my dad owned the pub along the road, my wife comes from a street just opposite the Brunny.
'When I see that little road sign I get a real lift inside. When I finish playing I'll try and do things for the area. There's the boxing club, my junior school, the boys' clubs and so many problems going on . . . it's very important to me'
You say that Liverpool is a 'village' and mention its hyperactive rumour mill. There was one going round that you were having elocution lessons. Is that true?
'Me?! I tell you what lessons I'm getting. I am having computer lessons. I go to the local Apple shop for a couple of hours a week. It might sound a bit shabby but I've never really been on the internet, I've only just learnt how to download music and put pictures on my computer. You talk the way you talk. Elocution? F*** off'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA
:D
Very good :D :D
thats quality! :D all the accents r class!
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Alonso still eyeing Juventus move
Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso says he is still tempted by a potential switch to Italian giants Juventus.
Juventus pulled out of a move for Alonso in the summer with coach Claudio Ranieri later revealing it was because the Spaniard was "too slow".
But that has not stopped Alonso, 26, reigniting the possibility of a transfer away from Anfield.
"To be honest, for my part, the attraction (to Juventus) has remained intact," said Alonso.
Instead of moving for Alonso, Juventus signed Christian Poulsen from Sevilla.
"One thing I can say is that I personally appreciated the honesty of the club executives," Alonso told Gazzetta dello Sport.
"They told me their tactics on the pitch were different and that is why they chose Poulsen and not me.
"These are things that happen in football and it's fine. I could have gone but I didn't because, in the end, they chose someone else."
He added: "Juventus are Juventus, the most prestigious club in Italy, but you cannot be disappointed when you play for Liverpool."
Meanwhile, former Liverpool and Blackburn defender Stephane Henchoz has announced his retirement from football.
Henchoz has not been with a club since his contract with Blackburn ran out in June.
He won the Uefa Cup, FA Cup and League Cup in 2001, going on to make 205 appearances for the Reds.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7667146.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7667146.stm)
SSN reporting on A. Madrid game going to be played at a neutral venue
Would be sad to see alonso leave anfield, always a very effective and under-rated player IMHO.
Just on alonso, is it just me or does he look the dead ringer of Tyrone's Enda McGinley? :D
Quote from: gawa316 on October 14, 2008, 09:52:01 AM
SSN reporting on A. Madrid game going to be played at a neutral venue
I know crime is a problem in Liverpool, but that's harsh.
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Reds face Atletico ground switch
Liverpool's Champions League opponents Atletico Madrid must play their next two home matches away from the Calderon Stadium as a result of crowd trouble.
The Uefa ban follows the treatment of Marseille fans during and after Atletico's 2-1 win a fortnight ago.
Monkey chants were aimed at the French club's players, while the Marseille team bus was attacked after the match.
The Liverpool game, on 22 October, will be held at a neutral venue, yet to be chosen, 200 miles away from Madrid.
The Spanish club have also been fined a record 150,000 euros by European governing body Uefa, while the punishment could be extended to a third home match should there be further trouble at the club within five years.
Atletico coach Javier Aguirre has also been banned from coaching the side in their matches against Liverpool on 22 October and also at Anfield on 4 November for abusing a Marseille player.
A Liverpool spokesman said: "We are liaising closely with Uefa and as soon as we have any further information we will make it available to our fans."
The decision to move the game from Madrid will deny former Atletico striker Fernando Torres the chance to return to his former home ground when the Reds look to maintain their 100% start to their European campaign next month.
Atletico must also play PSV Eindhoven away from the Vicente Calderon Stadium on 26 November.
"Atletico are shocked by the news," reports BBC Radio 5 Live's Ashish Sharma.
"Basically Uefa are unhappy with the way the police treated Marseille fans. They forced them to remove banners and they refused to escort the team bus from the training ground to the stadium, which was then attacked.
A Uefa spokesman said the ruling was part of the organisation "acting with renewed strength" against racism.
News of the suspension comes a day after the Football Association refused to sanction a plan to stage an England friendly against Spain in Madrid because of the racist abuse suffered by the likes of Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips the last time they played there.
The punishment appears to be a lot harsher than that imposed upon Croatia a month ago.
Their FA was fined just £15,000 by world governing body Fifa after their supporters aimed monkey chants at Emile Heskey during England's World Cup qualifying 4-1 victory.
However, Gaillard denied "double standards", saying: "That was a Fifa fine, not a Uefa fine.
"We have no direct influence on Fifa decisions at all. But if we had been in charge, the punishment would have been a lot heavier."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7668854.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7668854.stm)
Quote from: Stalin on October 13, 2008, 12:59:12 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA
:D
Saw that yesterday. Brilliant impersonations. ;D
Liverpool fans' plans for next week's Champions League match against Atletico Madrid are in "tatters" after Uefa switched the game to a neutral venue.
Uefa has imposed a two-match home ban on Atletico after trouble at their last Champions League game versus Marseille.
It means the Reds' match next Wednesday must be played 200 miles from Madrid.
"It is an utterly ridiculous decision so late in the day," chairman of the Liverpool Supporters' Club Richie Pedder told BBC Sport.
"We probably have three to four thousand fans going out to Madrid for the match. The flights will have been booked, the hotels will have been arranged, and now it's in tatters. What are they supposed to do now?
"I guess we're left with two options - change the destination of where the fans are flying in to, or to arrange coaches or some other form of transport from Madrid to wherever the new venue will be.
"But who does that? Uefa? The club? The fans themselves through the travel agents? It's a mess."
Uefa communications director William Gaillard admitted that Liverpool fans would suffer as a result of the decision but insisted it could not be avoided.
"We are concerned about the fans. We know they face hardship and disruption and we sympathise with that, but we needed to punish Atletico Madrid. We have no alternative.
"We are looking at the logistics and seeing what help we can provide."
The timing of the decision to switch the match, just eight days before the game, could be worsened by the fact Atletico have the right to appeal until 17 October, meaning a final decision may not be made until the weekend.
Should the ruling be upheld, supporters will be denied the chance to witness former Atletico striker Fernando Torres turning out at what used to be his home stadium.
purescousemachine
"Don't forget this is Torres's return to Atletico and his former home ground," said Pedder, "and a lot of people will have booked to see the match on the strength of that. Now it's been taken away and that is another added disappointment.
"If Uefa were going to make this decision, they should have given some thought to the fans. Let's be honest, when it comes down to it, Uefa have erred."
Liverpool have written to Uefa to express their concerns over the switch, with chief executive Rick Parry admitting: "If the match is played at least 300km from Madrid, it will cause major disruption, inconvenience and large additional expense for our fans."
However, Pedder is keen for the club to address any potential travel and accommodation problems the fans may encounter, saying: "The hope is that the club will put out a statement looking at those issues.
"We don't want them waiting a day or two to decide what to do. All Liverpool fans will want to know what is going to happen should the game be switched as soon as possible and will want things put in motion."
:'( :'( ;D
http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/3/10/8/f_Skm_12bfcdf.png&srv=img28
saw this link on football 365 the skirt be some street fighter character!!
Torres has lasted less than twenty minutes for Spian in Belgium. Taken off injured holding back of his leg.
Babel off early too
Hopefully Torres & Babel are ok for the weekend. Any reports on how bad the injurys are.
Would be a nice time for Rafa to finally get a win over Steve Bruce in the PL.
Torres out for next two games.
Fuming Rafa Benitez demands international rethink after Fernando Torres injury - Liverpool FC latest
Oct 16 2008 EXCLUSIVE by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo
RAFA BENITEZ today called for a radical rethink of the international fixture calendar after Fernando Torres suffered his third injury with the Spanish national team in less than a year.
A visibly distressed Torres limped off just 16 minutes into Spain's 2-1 win over Belgium in last night's World Cup qualifier and was today returning to Merseyside to undergo a scan to determine the extent of the injury.
Early reports suggest Liverpool's top scorer suffered a hamstring strain and if confirmed Torres is expected to be ruled out of action for around 10 days.
Benitez is bitterly disappointed at the blow, particularly with Liverpool facing three crucial games in that period.
He believes the time has come for football's governing bodies to take a look at the demands they are placing on players.
The Reds boss insists too many international fixtures are almost meaningless because of the gulf in class between so many national teams and believes a two-tier qualifying system for both the World Cup and the European Championships is the way forward.
"I am very disappointed about this because it now looks like we will lose Fernando for three very important games," said Benitez.
"We have Wigan at home and Chelsea away in the league and Atletico Madrid away in the Champions League so to lose any players is a big blow.
"The initial reports say Fernando is likely to be out for around ten days and that would mean he would miss these games.
"There are too many international games and the demands on the players are too much. Someone needs to analyse this situation because it is putting the players at risk of injury.
"Maybe the answer is for there to be a two tier qualifying system because there are too many games in the qualifiers for the World Cup and the European Championships which are not competitive but which still place great demands on the players.
"These fixtures are unnecessary and maybe it would be better if the weaker countries played one another and the best of them went to play the stronger countries in the qualifiers."
Benitez's mood was further darkened by Ryan Babel's injury in Holland's qualifier against Norway.
The Reds winger suffered an ankle injury following a heavy tackle by Blackburn's Morten Gamst Pedersen and the Reds boss is awaiting news on the extent of his injury.
If Babel joins Torres on the sidelines Benitez wants his squad to show its strength in depth, just as it did when Liverpool beat Manchester United earlier this season in a match in which both Torres and Steven Gerrard were unable to start.
"It is important that we show our strength at times like this," added Benitez.
"We cannot do anything about the injuries so it is up to the players to come in and do a good job if they are needed."
Maybe he should have rested Torres a bit more to protect him. :P
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1670831/
:( >:(
Quote from: corn02 on October 16, 2008, 12:12:49 PM
Torres out for next two games.
Should be ok without him v Wigan...
Hope he is back for A Madrid game he will be gutted himself if he isn't
Torres will probably miss Atletico and Chelsea matches.
the bbc is linking Heskey with a move back to liverpool. WTF?
Quote from: lurganblue on October 17, 2008, 07:56:18 PM
the bbc is linking Heskey with a move back to liverpool. WTF?
Thats has been a ongoing rumour for the past month on the www.ynwa.com forum
Is it possible to watch the match online 2morrow?
Quote from: Fun Bobby on October 18, 2008, 12:10:03 AM
Is it possible to watch the match online 2morrow?
Check on here around the time of the game and someone will give you a link.
Quote from: Fun Bobby on October 18, 2008, 12:10:03 AM
Is it possible to watch the match online 2morrow?
If you're in the states, Setanta Broadband have it. Otherwise try justin.tv or myp2p.eu or one of the other sites that stream the games.
Quote from: J70 on October 18, 2008, 05:45:50 AM
Quote from: Fun Bobby on October 18, 2008, 12:10:03 AM
Is it possible to watch the match online 2morrow?
If you're in the states, Setanta Broadband have it. Otherwise try justin.tv or myp2p.eu or one of the other sites that stream the games.
Justin.tv is usually very good
any linksfor game lads
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=48e7786aaa3bd
ridiculously good stream there. enjoy
Justin tv
http://www.justin.tv/cricketalkfb (http://www.justin.tv/cricketalkfb)
cant get on!!
gud man cs
Quote from: Stalin on October 18, 2008, 02:59:28 PM
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=48e7786aaa3bd
ridiculously good stream there. enjoy
That's a much better picture than justin tv today. good man Stalin, cheers
Stalin that is unreal
Class Stalin! Cheers ;)
What was Agger at???
WTF Agger >:(
What a stinkin soft goal
rubbish :-[
Where the hell did pennant come from, useless hoor, stevie G MIA again
good stuff Kuyt
Good man Agger :D
Agger is forgiven
Quote from: FermGael on October 18, 2008, 03:43:23 PM
Agger is forgiven
That'll give him a bit more confidence anyway
Holy Shit :o
what a goal from Zaki.
unreal
Shocking play from the Liverpool defence for both goals. Zaki is quite the finisher though.
Zakis a player.
Poor half. Maybe the conditions have something to do with it but their passing and control is not go. Liverpool came into it a little after Wigans first and will have to find a way back into it again!
Pennant got to stay out wide and get in some crosses instead of pulling out of tackles in round the centre!
Quote from: FermGael on October 18, 2008, 03:51:20 PM
what a goal from Zaki.
diddnt see it, waiting for it on ESPN
ya can beat united all ya want, its when ya struggle against these teams that wont help your cause
liverpool will win 4-2. keano to the rescue.
Riera!!!
2-2
Pool playing 2-4-4 :o
Kuyt...3-2
yessssssssssss
Zaki scores.........
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1677279/ (http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/1677279/)
3-2 Will take it!
What can you say about Kuyt! Riera MOTM for me!
3rd week in a row the opponents have ended with 10 men after a foul on Alonso.
Looking forward to Sunday now!
Another win in a game we would have lost/drew in previous sessions.
Rafa went for the win with his substitutions. Took of the full backs and brought on a winger and a creative midfielder.
Thought Dossena was poor
As Carmen said we went 2-4-4, well nearly
Gerrard stepped it up in the second half and Kuyt looked like a striker. 2 good finishes.
Riera took his goal well and had a good game.
Pennant is very frustrating to watch. Can beat his man but time and again his final ball was poor. Thought he would have been
subbed but then he goes and sets up the winner
We are winning. That's the main thing.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 18, 2008, 05:02:59 PM
3rd week in a row the opponents have ended with 10 men after a foul on Alonso.
Looking forward to Sunday now!
In fairness is was his second yellow and he deserved it.
Alonso was on the end of some very poor challenges today. Dossena could and maybe should have seen red for his tackle in the first half!
For the record I didn't see the red was or was not deserved...never seen it. Just merely pointing out an anorakitic stat!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 18, 2008, 05:31:08 PM
For the record I didn't see the red was or was not deserved...never seen it. Just merely pointing out an anorakitic stat!
It was deserved. Definite yellow. He was idiot considering he had just been booked a minute previously for not retreating for a Liverpool freekick.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 18, 2008, 05:13:17 PM
Dossena could and maybe should have seen red for his tackle in the first half!
Perhaps. The trailing foot may have just about been on the ground though (I'd have to see it again). It looked a bad lunge overall however, and he can probably consider himself fortunate.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 18, 2008, 05:02:59 PM
3rd week in a row the opponents have ended with 10 men after a foul on Alonso.
Looking forward to Sunday now!
You can throw Vidic in there as well from a few weeks back!
The first yellow might have been a bit soft, but that's irrelevant. The chap knew he was on a yellow and his tackle was pure stupidity - fully deserved to go. Bruce was that annoyed he was fit to burst!
After that Liverpool played really well - Gerrard started to play - and the deserved the two late goals. Great to see Benitez having a gung-ho attitude - that's a seachange from last year. He's realised that draws against these teams are no use.
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
ya can beat united all ya want, its when ya struggle against these teams that wont help your cause
'Tis better to beat both.
Always nice to get one over on Elephant Man.
good result today. this years team seems to have the mental strength to dare i say it, make a real title challenge. 4 of our 8 games we have came from behind!
good to see agger return though he wasnt flavour of the month with me after the 1st goal. kuyt's 1st goal shows us what he offers as an attacking threat however very few if any centre halves in the league would have showed that composure.
we missed the skirt today imo.zaki was a real handful for agger and carra and his physical presence was sorely missed. that where ithink the carra agger partnership falls down seem to struggle against that type of striker eg drogba.
dossena has been a horrible signing complete waste of £7million, not aurelios biggest fan but on current form would have him everytime or even insua from what i have saw.
i would be a critic of kuyt but yet again he has shown his worth wth a critical goal(s) he reminds me of garcia in a way very frustrating, but a great clubman who scores important goals.
fair play to rafa for the gung ho tactics that got the 3 points. he def appears to be learning more about the english game.
riera just continues to impress me with each game.
another downside was utd and chelski recording great victories chelski especially was a potential banana skin!
minder if ya had a defender like bruce ya'd have won the premership ages ago. cant believe ya's are gusing over a result like today, WIGAN get a grip.
Quote from: J70 on October 18, 2008, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 03:55:39 PM
ya can beat united all ya want, its when ya struggle against these teams that wont help your cause
'Tis better to beat both.
If youre getting three points where's the problem? :-\
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 10:20:13 PM
minder if ya had a defender like bruce ya'd have won the premership ages ago. cant believe ya's are gusing over a result like today, WIGAN get a grip.
it was another victory in difficult circumstances. i dont think bruce would improve our defence much ;D
and wigan are a much better side than you seem to be giving them credit for.
stalin, stop talking keek, at the start of the year your looking at the games and ticking off the the home wins. Wigan was a gimmie
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 10:29:01 PM
stalin, stop talking keek, at the start of the year your looking at the games and ticking off the the home wins. Wigan was a gimmie
And the 3 point are tucked away......................
and i'm pleased for ya its boring when its just a two horse race. maybe arsenal and the pool will keep it going till april.
no bad month yet.
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 10:29:01 PM
stalin, stop talking keek, at the start of the year your looking at the games and ticking off the the home wins. Wigan was a gimmie
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 10:35:30 PM
and i'm pleased for ya its boring when its just a two horse race. maybe arsenal and the pool will keep it going till april.
no bad month yet.
We must be doing something right.
P.S Milltown when you are comparing players try Gerrard to O'Shea, Torres to Berbatov, Reina to VDS and any Liverpool player to Fletcher
yes beating wigan, i know ;)
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 10:29:01 PM
stalin, stop talking keek, at the start of the year your looking at the games and ticking off the the home wins. Wigan was a gimmie
not a gimmie per se but yeah you would expect us to beat wigan at home. but they are a much better side than newcastle and indeed stoke.
3 points but a bit of a struggle again. Defensively just havent clicked and never thought id say it but only for Dirk, those points were gone today.
Quote from: Yes I Would on October 18, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
3 points but a bit of a struggle again. Defensively just havent clicked and never thought id say it but only for Dirk, those points were gone today.
We have been defensively very sound so far this year. Today was a massive anomaly defensively. What a player Zaki is looking. Good for the odl Fantasy Football :P
ok Gerrard to Scholes (check the records) Carragher is rubbish lads (i know ya love him) but really come on. "carragher gets the ball turns back da Reina" vidic quality defender. liverpool struggle for that.
torres and Ronaldo very similar, though ronaldo is far better
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 11:14:31 PM
ok Gerrard to Scholes (check the records) Carragher is rubbish lads (i know ya love him) but really come on. "carragher gets the ball turns back da Reina" vidic quality defender. liverpool struggle for that.
torres and Ronaldo very similar, though ronaldo is far better
I used to have these arguments when I was about 13.
was that the last time liverpool won the league?
bit of craic Stalin, should be a good season for liverpool, no doubt, October and still there challenging
Your windup is shit and tired.
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 11:46:39 PM
was that the last time liverpool won the league?
bit of craic Stalin, should be a good season for liverpool, no doubt, October and still there challenging
Its great the way these united fans keep reminding us about the last time we won the league.
Let's see. Man United went from 1967 until 1993 between league wins but then again thats wrong,
They won the 2nd division in 1975 after they were relegated
yes and the slagging was reversed. make hay.......
is there not a utd thread u can go and reek havoc on? u can all go and boast and slag liverpool together then!
dirk pulled us out of a hole today again. another strong finish from the reds!
I don't know if anybody has seen this already, some cracking impersonations
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA
Another great escape yesterday. Agger gets a pass for his mistake, put it down to being rusty and not expecting the pass. Put it this way, if he had stepped away from Zaki in that situation people would have been praising his coolness. Great work for the second goal, Liverpool have been missing that ability to bring the ball out from the back. Alonso escapes another leg breaking challenge for the third game on the trot - he must be doing something right to have al these guys tying to cream him. Felt sorry for Valencia on the first yellow, but for that challenge he could have seen the line anyway. Dirk Daggler did the business again playing through the middle. I said a few weeks back he could have an interesting partnership with Keane through the middle, but I'd no idea he would hit this form - long may it last, especially while Nando is out. Still liking the look of this Riera fella. The only really disappointing thing yesterday again were the fulbacks. Rafa, get the checkbook out in January. Dossena bullied off the ball for Valencia's cross, Arbeloa misses with a header he probably should not have gone for beofre Zaki scores a brilliant goal (fantasy football legend). I think we've kind of seen enough of these two now. Are they up to being starters in championship chasing side? The Italian boy certainly isn't in my opinion, at least not right now. I imagine we might be getting a look at Insua soon, except Rafa is so stubborn.
Dossena hasnt impressed me either, but the man is an Italian international he has got to have some ability surely?
Quote from: milltown row on October 18, 2008, 11:14:31 PM
ok Gerrard to Scholes (check the records) Carragher is rubbish lads (i know ya love him) but really come on. "carragher gets the ball turns back da Reina" vidic quality defender. liverpool struggle for that.
torres and Ronaldo very similar, though ronaldo is far better
your windups are legendary how do you do it??torres and ronaldo very similiar, though ronaldo plays on the wing torres upfront?sure why dont we start comparing alonso with evra??"CARRAGHER gets the ball turns back to reina", is a defender not paid to defend??its not that vidic takes three players on and plays a fourty yard pass straight to someones feet. stick to the antrim gaa thread you obviously dont know whgat your talking about!
Mentalman- your analysis is VG - totally agree about the full-backs and it's no coincidence that Alonso has been targeted- Rafa was obviously nuts to think about selling him.
When Torres is back what is our best formation up-front ? He can't play Nando, Keane, Kuyt and Riera .
Well, well, well another winner from Kuyt, and another crucial goal.
Very poor performance, sloppy in defence, lethargic and ruderless in attack. It wasn't complacency, it was just bland. Zaki's second was a cracker and you could only appluad such a strike. But, as we have proven plenty this year, we don't give up. A game is 90 minutes and we play until the last seconds.
Good to get the Bruce thing off our back too.
Arbeloa had impressed me but he has been poor lately. Dossena is a real worry, not only is his touch and passing poor but his positioning is his worst attribute. Playing 2-4-4 at the end was surreal.
Quote from: glens73 on October 19, 2008, 10:14:37 AM
I don't know if anybody has seen this already, some cracking impersonations
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA
brilliant, i'm adding that url to favourites :D :D
Didn't see any of the match as I was at a wedding yesterday,Had to rely on me auld lad to keep me updated thru text.
Im a bit worried that the last two games while we may have won in the end it took a player to be sent off before they got the late goals,As i said I haven't see a minute of the game so maybe it wasn't as bad as I think,Will have to watch MOTD tonight
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 19, 2008, 09:14:41 PM
Didn't see any of the match as I was at a wedding yesterday,Had to rely on me auld lad to keep me updated thru text.
Im a bit worried that the last two games while we may have won in the end it took a player to be sent off before they got the late goals,As i said I haven't see a minute of the game so maybe it wasn't as bad as I think,Will have to watch MOTD tonight
I was pretty confident watching both that Liverpool would get the equalizer and probably go on to win. Doesn't mean that they would have or that the sendings-off didn't influence the outcome. Whether recent results were red-card influenced aberrations or not will be determined over the course of the next few months.
Quote from: J70 on October 19, 2008, 09:47:44 PM
I was pretty confident watching both that Liverpool would get the equalizer and probably go on to win. Doesn't mean that they would have or that the sendings-off didn't influence the outcome. Whether recent results were red-card influenced aberrations or not will be determined over the course of the next few months.
Well for me, Wigan looked comfortable enough until the sending off. With 20mins to go i was just hoping to get the draw. A very poor performance - in particular dossena & pennant were brutal. All over the pitch, we seemed to be very lack lustre and showed no urgency at all. That said, again liverpool showed great character to come back from a goal down, and never panicked even when chasing the goal. Kuyt is on a great run of form and again got the all important winner.
but anyway a great result, and badly needed given the chelsea, utd & arsenal results. Man U & Chelsea in particular seem to be moving up through the gears - i just hope liverpool are able to stay with them.
El Zhar done well when he came on again, hes a great impact sub to have (in the absence of Babel).
Im impressed with Rafa's team selections this season, hes not getting have the abuse he used to from the press.
Quote from: stiffler on October 19, 2008, 10:16:17 PM
El Zhar done well when he came on again, hes a great impact sub to have (in the absence of Babel).
Im impressed with Rafa's team selections this season, hes not getting have the abuse he used to from the press.
Probably because they are winning rather than they agree with his selections,Its hard to be critical for a manager when his team is winning,Only Eamon Dunphy is dumb enough to do that
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 19, 2008, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: stiffler on October 19, 2008, 10:16:17 PM
El Zhar done well when he came on again, hes a great impact sub to have (in the absence of Babel).
Im impressed with Rafa's team selections this season, hes not getting have the abuse he used to from the press.
Probably because they are winning rather than they agree with his selections,Its hard to be critical for a manager when his team is winning,Only Eamon Dunphy is dumb enough to do that
Yea just goes to show how fickle the british press are... and dunphy is a tube. Whatever he says has to be taken with an onze of salt.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ySLAipswRgQ
soccer at its finest :D
watch til end :D :D
Quote from: Stalin on October 19, 2008, 10:32:28 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ySLAipswRgQ
soccer at its finest :D
watch til end :D :D
Talk about degrading... You can hardly watch the game with the NY Giants markings - I don't how they can play it!
I think the Red Bulls are moving to their own more modest, but suitable, ground next season.
Juan Pablo Angel has certainly come down in the world!
Quote from: J70 on October 19, 2008, 10:46:59 PMTalk about degrading... You can hardly watch the game with the NY Giants markings - I don't how they can play it!
I think the Red Bulls are moving to their own more modest, but suitable, ground next season.
Juan Pablo Angel has certainly come down in the world!
I know - it hurts my eyes watching that.
The Red Bulls have a nice little stadium under construction in New Jersey somewhere - a more modest 25,000 seat place
Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez has confirmed he is checking on Wigan star Ami Zaki, after the African hit-man scored a memorable double at Anfield on Saturday.
The Egyptian striker has taken the Premier League by storm this season with seven goals in his first eight game making him top scorer in England's top-flight.
He highlighted his form with a brilliant brace at Liverpool, which included a stunning volley at the Kop end.
Wigan signed the forward on loan from El Zamalek in his homeland and they always stated that they had secured first refusal on him.
No deal
However, in recent days, Zamalek have insisted that they will sell the player to which ever club they want, and Manchester City are already thought to have made contact via their new Abu Dhabi-based owners.
"We will have the right to sell Zaki to any club," Zamalek president Mamdouh Abbas stated.
But Benitez, who looks set to be in the market for a new front-man come January, has intriguingly admitted that he will also be taking a close look at Zaki after his outstanding display against the Spaniard's side on Saturday.
"Everybody will be checking his situation now," Benitez admitted in The Times.
Bet Wigan arent too happy about this
If the scousers were to get Zaki, would Keane be Liverpool's most expensive sub ever?
I think this is paper talk, and a red herring. Benitez's quote, after being asked would he buy Zaki, was 'I'm sure everybody will be checking his situation now, but we are not unhappy with Torres'.
Owners launch bid to find buyers for Liverpool
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article4988378.ece
Quote from: Minder on October 22, 2008, 09:24:49 AM
Owners launch bid to find buyers for Liverpool
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article4988378.ece
Please lord let it be true
How come this DIC capital of whatever they are called were very interested in Liverpool 6 months ago and now have no interest when approached? Have they found something out?
Javier Mascherano returns to Liverpool's starting line-up for tonight's Champions League clash with Atletico Madrid.
The diminutive midfielder comes into the side after missing Saturday's 3-2 win over Wigan and is one of the two changes made by boss Rafael Benitez.
Yossi Benayoun also returns to the starting line-up with Jermaine Pennant and Dirk Kuyt dropping to the bench. :o :o :o
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Agger, Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Riera, Benayoun, Keane. Subs: Cavalieri, Lucas, Babel, Darby, Pennant, Kuyt, Aurelio.
feck, sloth was near making my dream team this week too! sure you only need him for the last ten anyway ::)
Diego Forlan playing for Madrid..Just as well Dudek isn't in goals for us anymore :D
Robbie Keane 1-zip.
Another c**k up by a linesman.
Should have been 1 each.
Quote from: Yes I Would on October 22, 2008, 09:00:25 PM
Another c**k up by a linesman.
Should have been 1 each.
Absolutely........but we've dodged a couple of bullets ourselves thanks to the other linesman.
Going have to defend better than they are tonight against Chelsea on sunday
one each :-[
Could have won but could easily have lost,I'm happy enough with the point, I think its fairly certain both teams are going through to next round anyways..
A point against them at Anfield and a win at home to Marseille or away to PSV is no real problem I would think
This analyse will be good
Dunphy's in bad oul form tonight.
Would have had Robbie off to f**k for showboating and making a hash of the chance in first half.
Would have taken a draw before game, but gettin into a position to win, just didnt come out to play second half and still look dodgy at the back.
Quote from: Yes I Would on October 22, 2008, 09:44:02 PM
Dunphy's in bad oul form tonight.
Would have had Robbie off to f**k for showboating and making a hash of the chance in first half.
Would have taken a draw before game, but gettin into a position to win, just didnt come out to play second half and still look dodgy at the back.
Whats Dunphy saying ??? I can't watch him anymore or I will throw a brick through the TV
At half time claimed that Keanes attempt to flick the delivery across the goal was disgraceful and Rafa should have dragged him off.
He just doesnt let it lie.
Last night the same, only he was going completely OTT about Rooney. Id swear if Rooney had have been there beside him, Dunphy would have yanked his togs down and taken the granny shaggers todger in his mouth.
Liverpool are very hard to watch by times. Taking off Keane was a mistake IMHO - he was constantly threatening.
He must have thought he was Lee Sharpe with that flick - I wonder how he'd missed the ball until I saw it in slow motion - he deserved a good yelling at for that effort.
Quote from: Puckoon on October 22, 2008, 09:56:15 PM
Liverpool are very hard to watch by times. Taking off Keane was a mistake IMHO - he was constantly threatening.
He must have thought he was Lee Sharpe with that flick - I wonder how he'd missed the ball until I saw it in slow motion - he deserved a good yelling at for that effort.
Keane was taken off because he had a problem with his groin
QuoteKeane was taken off because he had a problem with his groin
Obviously not Eamonn Dunphy's mouth latched onto it by all accounts according to Yes I Would. :-X
Like others I would have been happy with a point before the match, but lets be honest Athletico are at nothing at the moment despite having good players, they are not a team. Knocked the ball around well at times and it should have been a calkwalk. The substitutions, which were competely necessary with Chelsea in mind, unbalanced the side. How he kept Yossi on I will never know. Despite offering the odd threat going forward, he just kept giving the ball away. Don't think he retreated into his own half once. Arbeloa was given the run around by the Portuguese lad, despite him not exactly pulling up trees. Maloney wasn't half gloating over the equaliser and reminding us of the Benfica game in 06 - a Utd. fan for your life. Thought Dossena was slightly better tonight, but that's coming from a very low base. Midfield was good, Alonso seems to be really enjoying his football again. Robbie was lively. Thought Babel didn't try a leg when he came on, unlike Daggler who just loves the work. In the end, as I said, it's a game Liverpool should have won, and maybe with a bit more concentration could have, but at the end of the day they are coming out of this group in first place.
Quote from: Mentalman on October 22, 2008, 10:37:04 PM
The substitutions, which were competely necessary with Chelsea in mind, unbalanced the side. How he kept Yossi on I will never know. Despite offering the odd threat going forward, he just kept giving the ball away. Don't think he retreated into his own half once. Arbeloa was given the run around by the Portuguese lad, despite him not exactly pulling up trees.
Don't agree that the all the subs were necessary. Alonso was Liverpool's best player in the 2nd half and never should have been taken off, especially with, as you say, Benny being shíte. Simao was the only player who looked like he could score for them, the obvious substitution was to take off Benny and put someone (Lucas would have done) on the right to make it harder for Simao.
But an away draw against the best opposition in the group is not bad I suppose.
EDIT: Benitez is saying Alonso was injured. He didnt look it coming off, but maybe.
"I explained the reason already, he was injured and he was asking for the substitution"
Yeah, word this morning is all three subbed out are doubts for the Chelsea game.
Fair play to the Fat waiter but he is getting cute. Telling everyone that he took the lads off cos they were injured is a good tactic. He's getting smart in his old age.
Robbie offside for the goal and a joke of an attempt but its ok cos the wind moved the ball.
Now Seanie I would define cute as a United fan coming on and complaining about Liverpool getting an offside goal.
Especially when they were denied one that was never off side aswell.
All in all I wasn't that overly impressed. Thought at the start that we should have pushed on and tried to get a few more. The longer the game went on the more AM got into it. Keane definitely should have done better tho he took his goal well. Benny was crap. How he got to last I don't know. But if Rafa is honest about the injuries then I suppose there wasn't much option.
Not that confident going into the weekend now!!
You'd be more worried if Carragher was injured in order to keep the scoreline respectable. ;)
QuoteNow Seanie I would define cute as a United fan coming on and complaining about Liverpool getting an offside goal
I wasn't complaining, just stating fact. It was worth stating cos from the complaints of several Liverpool supporters on the United thread in recent weeks you'd swear it was only United that got jammy decisions.
I was watching the game and reading to the child at the same time so I missed a few things. On the first half they should have been 2 up. Keane's chance aside they had enough possession to make it count.
The second half, and the result, turned on the offside decisions. I think that had Liverppol been correctly awarded the Benny's goal then AM would have struggled. It was at a crucial time as AM were starting to platy well and Aguero was seeing a lot of ball. A second goal then would have seriously deflated them and I reckon the crowd would have got on their back. Liverpool could have closed up shop and won the game comfortably.
How and ever, it didn't happen and the 2 points were dropped, in my opinion, on the line. It was evident that benny was providing no cover for an obviously overworked Arbeloa. This was clear in the first half and even more so in the second. They could still have made the substitutions that were made though and won. If he had pushed Kuyt to RMF and played a 4-4-1-1 with Benny behind Babel, then Kuyt would have done teh hard work on the right wing where all the trouble was originating from. Simao is a handy player in space, but less handy and less inclined to push on when he is haressed. Kuyt would have done this. Benny is not the type of player who can play there and needs to play a loose role behind the strikers. The CB's looked dodgy because they were being stretched as Arbeloa had to push up tighter on Simao therefore leaving gaps inside where Agger had to try to fill in.
Anyway, when compared to last year at this stage, two away games 4 points, looking comfortable to qualify, A win against AM in Anfield is imperative to take the presseure off for the last two games.
I will worry about Sunday later!!
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
QuoteNow Seanie I would define cute as a United fan coming on and complaining about Liverpool getting an offside goal
I wasn't complaining, just stating fact. It was worth stating cos from the complaints of several Liverpool supporters on the United thread in recent weeks you'd swear it was only United that got jammy decisions.
Fair enough.
On last night, not overly bothered to be honest. Win,lose or draw those two teams are progressing. Might be advantage to finish top, but your going to have to play the big-boys at some stage.
Doseena was slighly more impressive, especially going forward and was rarely caught out defensively, which was a first in a 'Pool shirt.
The wind played its part, but AM were shocking at the back. They were making simple errors all night long. Carraghers error was the worst obviosuly, had two chances to deal with it. Yoissi not only did not track back, he must have conced about 9 free-kicks - poor show. I also worry for Babel., he has a lot to prove and should have won it.
Keane was very good when he was on but I would have been tempted to haul him off for that crazy flick - iahte that stuff. Reira had a great first 45 too, but tarnished it with a 7.2. Reina made another couple of good saves tonight.
Totally agree with the subs - f**k last night, were aiming for a point on Sunday. Could of played the reserves last night for all i care.
Quote from: corn02 on October 23, 2008, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
QuoteNow Seanie I would define cute as a United fan coming on and complaining about Liverpool getting an offside goal
I wasn't complaining, just stating fact. It was worth stating cos from the complaints of several Liverpool supporters on the United thread in recent weeks you'd swear it was only United that got jammy decisions.
Fair enough.
On last night, not overly bothered to be honest. Win,lose or draw those two teams are progressing. Might be advantage to finish top, but your going to have to play the big-boys at some stage.
Doseena was slighly more impressive, especially going forward and was rarely caught out defensively, which was a first in a 'Pool shirt.
The wind played its part, but AM were shocking at the back. They were making simple errors all night long. Carraghers error was the worst obviosuly, had two chances to deal with it. Yoissi not only did not track back, he must have conced about 9 free-kicks - poor show. I also worry for Babel., he has a lot to prove and should have won it.
Keane was very good when he was on but I would have been tempted to haul him off for that crazy flick - iahte that stuff. Reira had a great first 45 too, but tarnished it with a 7.2. Reina made another couple of good saves tonight.
Totally agree with the subs - f**k last night, were aiming for a point on Sunday. Could of played the reserves last night for all i care.
Carragher's mistake was atrocious. Even a schoolkid knows that you don't let a ball like that bounce.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
QuoteNow Seanie I would define cute as a United fan coming on and complaining about Liverpool getting an offside goal
I wasn't complaining, just stating fact. It was worth stating cos from the complaints of several Liverpool supporters on the United thread in recent weeks you'd swear it was only United that got jammy decisions.
It was the same last year in the aftermath of the Chelsea penalty at Anfield at the start of the season. Then we were all sheepishly pleased when Arsenal didn't get the penalty in the champions league tie at the Emirates. People should know better, but they're just trying to wind the other side up I suppose.
So its the clash of "The Big Two" tomorrow :)
I think Liverpools injuries will have a bearing on this game. Think Rafa will be happy with a point tomorrow
Keane to score early on a counter attack with Deco equalizing late Reina motm :) ....... now were did I put that beer ???
Team according to rawk
Reina
Arbeloa
Carragher
Agger
Aurelio
Mascherano
Alonso
Kuyt
Gerrard
Riera
Keane
Masch is going to have his work cut out with deco today but good team selection
Quote from: gawa316 on October 26, 2008, 12:37:08 PM
Team according to rawk
Reina
Arbeloa
Carragher
Agger
Aurelio
Mascherano
Alonso
Kuyt
Gerrard
Riera
Keane
Masch is going to have his work cut out with deco today but good team selection
Minus Torres and Skrtel thats probably our strongest team. I only hope we give babel at least the last half hour as his pace and directness could hurt Chelsea. Id like to see more of him full stop
Any live streamming?
Liverpool 1 nil up ;D
Quote from: Fun Bobby on October 26, 2008, 01:35:32 PM
Any live streamming?
http://www.justin.tv/live24sports (http://www.justin.tv/live24sports)
This may be better quality
http://www.justin.tv/psnx3 (http://www.justin.tv/psnx3)
Half time
Chelsea 0
Liverpool 1 (Alonso)
Got to hold on now!
http://www.taraftartube.com/live-match.html
good quality here as well
Good effort Alonso ! :o
Whatever happens in the final 20, its been a superb performance from Liverpool so far. Alonso has been brilliant.
Carragher with a great block!
Terry is a hateful fecker!
Nice one
Great result ;D
John Terry is a tr**p
Superb performance from Liverpool. Yes, Chelsea were missing vital players like Drogba and Ballack and Essien, but even the likes of Deco and Lampard were anonymous in that game. Well deserved three points. Let's hope they keep up these performances.
Every man was brilliant today fair play to them! :)
About time those feckers were beaten. didn't see it but will make it my business to watch MOTD tonite with several bottles of beer. Still only 3 points though no matter how significant. Two of the main rivals beaten in the first 9 games, better than any other season so far under Rafa, without playing overly well football-wise.
Time to get the CL qualification sorted and take a bit of pressure off.
;D that was like riding a fat girl..wasn't pretty sometimes messey but very satisfying result!
It would appear that all the crap over the summer has lit a fire under Alonso as well. Man of the match for me, again. Riera looks a great buy at this stage too. Very strong on the ball, excellent control - he can really break past people in tight situations.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 26, 2008, 03:35:17 PM
;D that was like riding a fat girl..wasn't pretty sometimes messey but very satisfying result!
Such eloquence! ;D
Very pleasing and we more than held our own in the second half. Macherano and Alonso gave a masterclass in the middle. Need a result on Wednesday.
Greta result and performance. Who would have thought you could have such a comfortable 1-0 win at Stamford Bridge? Riera was excellent but was sloppy a couple of times in possession but he looks the business. Alonso was superb too, always picks the right pass. Need to keep her lit now.........
QuoteGreta result and performance. Who would have thought you could have such a comfortable 1-0 win at Stamford Bridge? Riera was excellent but was sloppy a couple of times in possession but he looks the business. Alonso was superb too, always picks the right pass. Need to keep her lit now.........
Greta who? Good result but the reaction to Liverpool picking up a few good results at the start of a campaign is not dissimilar to that attributed to the English National team.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 26, 2008, 05:19:04 PM
QuoteGreta result and performance. Who would have thought you could have such a comfortable 1-0 win at Stamford Bridge? Riera was excellent but was sloppy a couple of times in possession but he looks the business. Alonso was superb too, always picks the right pass. Need to keep her lit now.........
Greta who? Good result but the reaction to Liverpool picking up a few good results at the start of a campaign is not dissimilar to that attributed to the English National team.
Tosser ! A few good results? Beating the two teams that have won the Premiership for the last 4 years and ending a home unbeaten record spanning 4 years is fairly notable.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 26, 2008, 05:19:04 PM
QuoteGreta result and performance. Who would have thought you could have such a comfortable 1-0 win at Stamford Bridge? Riera was excellent but was sloppy a couple of times in possession but he looks the business. Alonso was superb too, always picks the right pass. Need to keep her lit now.........
Greta who? Good result but the reaction to Liverpool picking up a few good results at the start of a campaign is not dissimilar to that attributed to the English National team.
What reaction is that then? The one you see here where everyone is pleased with the form of the last six weeks, culminating in a damn good victory at Stamford Bridge, or the one United fans like to think they see, of "delusion" and premature celebration?
Went to watch the game in the pub today for a few beers. After the match the missus landed in with the two bairns to lift me, and then it hit me! The wee lad is four in a few weeks time, and the wee girl one and a bit. They haven't live through a Chelsea home league defeat!!
Well done Liverpool. Best team won on the day!
This was a result that has been hanging over Chelsea for 6 months truth be told. I have said several times that Anelka CANNOT play up fron on his on, and all too often we lack creativity and invention out wide. Today Kalou, Malouda, and Anelka were anonymous. Geez how we missed the pysical presence of Drogba, and that wee bit of differance that Cole can provide.
The game was almost as I predicted. Liverpool would defend deep and manfully, with Chelsea hoping to create something from a set piece. However not only did Chelsea not look like scoring, the best chances feel to the visitors. Someone commented in the pub that Liverpool were very negative. I would not agree with that, but if I did credit must go to Liverpool's defensive abilities.
As for Big Phil? He might need to look at a 4-4-2 at home. Anelka isn't good enough, and is certainly not going to fight a lone furrow. There is also a question mark back on our wide boys again. I mean if you could choose Ronaldo or Malouda?
However...it had to happen some day. Undefeated at home in 4 1/2 years is some record.
Last question to el cuervo and Carmen Stateside...why do you think JT is a tr**p?
Aye was wondering why they said he was a tr**p?
Because everytime he went for a challenge today he would lead with his elbow, or leave a foot in after a challenge! Actually any time i have seen him play he has been at it!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 06:43:44 PM
Because everytime he went for a challenge today he would lead with his elbow, or leave a foot in after a challenge! Actually any time i have seen him play he has been at it!
I am sorry, I must've been watching a different game.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 26, 2008, 07:10:38 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 06:43:44 PM
Because everytime he went for a challenge today he would lead with his elbow, or leave a foot in after a challenge! Actually any time i have seen him play he has been at it!
I am sorry, I must've been watching a different game.
must have missed this too. if it refers to him challenging for the ball with reina then you´d need to retire
another top notch result from the reds and rafa today! going strong, these kinds of games along with the endless draws we usually have are always the ones that hold us back in the league but we seem to be winning the big games and gettin more out of the last ten mins of tied games. come on the reds keep it up lads!!
Great result for Utd.. Chelsea dropping 3 points will help us out and the business end of the season ;)
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 26, 2008, 06:30:24 PM
Went to watch the game in the pub today for a few beers. After the match the missus landed in with the two bairns to lift me, and then it hit me! The wee lad is four in a few weeks time, and the wee girl one and a bit. They haven't live through a Chelsea home league defeat!!
Well done Liverpool. Best team won on the day!
This was a result that has been hanging over Chelsea for 6 months truth be told. I have said several times that Anelka CANNOT play up fron on his on, and all too often we lack creativity and invention out wide. Today Kalou, Malouda, and Anelka were anonymous. Geez how we missed the pysical presence of Drogba, and that wee bit of differance that Cole can provide.
The game was almost as I predicted. Liverpool would defend deep and manfully, with Chelsea hoping to create something from a set piece. However not only did Chelsea not look like scoring, the best chances feel to the visitors. Someone commented in the pub that Liverpool were very negative. I would not agree with that, but if I did credit must go to Liverpool's defensive abilities.
As for Big Phil? He might need to look at a 4-4-2 at home. Anelka isn't good enough, and is certainly not going to fight a lone furrow. There is also a question mark back on our wide boys again. I mean if you could choose Ronaldo or Malouda?
However...it had to happen some day. Undefeated at home in 4 1/2 years is some record.
Last question to el cuervo and Carmen Stateside...why do you think JT is a tr**p?
Good post.
Liverpool definitely playing far more positively than before under Rafa. Even at 1-0, there was never a case of putting the bus in front of the posts and hope to hang on. When in possession, always looked to make things happen.
I liked the under-stated celebrations from the players at the end. And the post match comments from Gerrard and Carragher, while acknowledging it was a big result, the both said it was only 3 points and they really have to focus on Pompey on Wednesday.
Doesn't really need to be said but tonight is a must win,more so even than sunday was..
Any news on El Nino?
I can see Keane being dropped tonight
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 29, 2008, 05:13:39 PM
Doesn't really need to be said but tonight is a must win,more so even than sunday was..
Any news on El Nino?
I can see Keane being dropped tonight
Torres not fit yet, only starting running yesterday. Keane is struggling with injury as well. I can see Babel being given a start up front. Otherwise have to play the same side as the wkd.
Any links to watch match live tonight?????
Team v Pompy
Reina
Arbeola
Aurelio
Carra
Hyypia
Lucas
Alonso
Gerrard
Kuyt
Babel
Pennant
No Keane as I thought
Glad to see Sami getting a run, but thought that Carra may have been rested. Also happy to see Masch get a rest, he has had a few awesome games after a lot of travelling. Plenty of mobility in front 3-4 with Kuyt, Babel and Pennant able to switch around comfortably. I am also glad that Keane has been rested as he has seemed a bit jaded due to the injury. Let him rest so that he is fresh to open his league account against Spurs at the weekend ;D
Try this for the game:
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch5.html (http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch5.html)
that link doesn't seem to work, said it cannot display the webpage for some reason ??? maybe it's worth trying the sopcast sports channel ???
same happened with me medic any other links lads??
stiflers link now working 4 me!cheers lad
No bother charles, Dirk just after hitting the post!!
I have a blank screen on iraq goals anything special needed
it takes a while for it to come up i think or you can just click on different channels to see other matches :)
http://www.justin.tv/psn4 (http://www.justin.tv/psn4)
For anyone who didnt get the last link to work.
How are we playing?? Havent seen any of yet!!
Looks like all big guns picking up 3 pts tonight, so need to grind out a win.
Gerrard penalty after 75mins.....thought it was gonna be another repeat of stoke!
So did i, hopefully no f**k ups now.
All over.
1-0
Did not play well but the result is all that matters.
You are next...
Quote from: Old Bill on October 29, 2008, 10:36:13 PM
You are next...
for what,spurs to gain another point in their fight against relegation
Another game, another poor performance, another three points.
Quote from: corn02 on October 30, 2008, 12:58:50 AM
Another game, another poor performance, another three points.
True, but there will be games, just like Stoke, when they don't make the breakthrough. Let's hope the knee-jerk reaction is a bit less ridiculous than after that game. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Relieved to get the 3 points from that game last night. It was a banana skin waiting to happen. 26 points from opening 10 games is a good haul considering el nino was missing for 4 of those games. Also bodes well that we won all those 4 games without him. That said, It'll be great to have him back for the spurs game this weekend, he'll definitely be needed for that one.
November sees 5 PL games and it'll be important to get close to maximum points, as I can see Chelsea accumulate 15 points in their games. United travel to Arsenal, Villa & City in November while in addition to the clash with united, Arsenal play Villa and also travel to Chelsea. So plenty of opportunity for dropped points there.
As has been said here already, I think Liverpool's biggest problem will be when teams come to anfield & just defend looking for a point (like stoke & portsmouth). Just hope we dont drop too many points like the stoke game.
Important to get 3 points now against Spuds on the weekend and keep up the momentum. After that game we have a nice run of fixtures which we should (on paper) be winning.
West Brom (h)
Bolton (a)
Fulham (h)
West Ham (h)
Blackburn (a)
Hull (h)
Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal all have some tricky games coming up including Arsenal v Man U, Arsenal v Villa, Villa v Man U, Chelsea v Arsenal, Man City v Man U. There will be some points dropped there so we need to be taking maximum points at the same time.
Some great impersonations
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=40WJZVge8C0
Bill Murray
What does that mean heganboy... old news?
Quote from: The GAA on October 30, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
What does that mean heganboy... old news?
Bill Murray = Groundhog Day.
Heganboy, not everyone is as discussion board savvy as you. Too much time spent on the likes of 365 will turn you to the bad and they won't let you back near Ballyhegan!
liverpool to win title now. going well and look like the the team of the 80's. fair play
Quote from: milltown row on November 01, 2008, 06:06:00 PM
liverpool to win title now. going well and look like the the team of the 80's. fair play
Get real turncoat , man u were worse off last year and look what happen miltown hoe
D'oh!!!! :-[
Rafa going to have to take the blame for this one! :(
His two substitutions in the second half was the losing of the game, Babel and Benyoun contribution was zero!
Fair fucks to Spurs and Harry, he changed it round second half and they hung in their despite being played of the park for most of the game!!! Fuming! >:(
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 01, 2008, 07:32:05 PM
Rafa going to have to take the blame for this one! :(
His two substitutions in the second half was the losing of the game, Babel and Benyoun contribution was zero!
Fair f**ks to Spurs and Harry, he changed it round second half and they hung in their despite being played of the park for most of the game!!! Fuming! >:(
Yeah, I think Rafa has to hold his hands up on this one. But he's called it well so far this season. You're never going to win them all. The game should have been over anyway. The important thing is that they bounce back straight away and don't have another nightmare November. Fair fucks to Spurs, there was only going to be one winner in the last ten minutes, despite their getting played off the pitch for the first 2/3 of the game.
How can Rafa take the blame? Perhaps the players that didnt take the chances in the period after HT were more culpable. Babel has usually been a force coming off the bench, he hardly touched leather tonight, as for Benayoun - he will never be good enough to play for Liverpool.
Agree about Benayoun.
Could Spurs get any f**king jammier at the minute.
Had a shitty feelin once they got equaliser went in that it would end the way it did.
A fit Torres badly needed to sustain a challenge.
QuoteHow can Rafa take the blame?
It's a shot in the dark, but maybe cos he buys the players and picks the team? ???
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 01, 2008, 09:35:55 PM
QuoteHow can Rafa take the blame?
It's a shot in the dark, but maybe cos he buys the players and picks the team? ???
Read the post, was he playing tonight? Turd.
Well, well, well. Bottom of the table meets top of the table and bottom take all 3 points ;D Spurs will not end up bottom and scoucers will not end up top would be the conclusion. Delighted for young Jamie after all the crap he has been going over this last while. ;D :D
Quote from: EC Unique on November 01, 2008, 10:25:40 PM
Well, well, well. Bottom of the table meets top of the table and bottom take all 3 points ;D Spurs will not end up bottom and scoucers will not end up top would be the conclusion. Delighted for young Jamie after all the crap he has been going over this last while. ;D :D
Hope it keeps you warm tonight.
Geez boys! One defeat and it's meltdown!!!
long over due. hopefully dozens 2 follow :)
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 01, 2008, 11:37:04 PM
long over due. hopefully dozens 2 follow :)
Aye there probably will be because you are hoping for it. Not sure how it was long overdue as the two toughest matches on paper against Salford reds and Chelsea were comfortable enough
Quote from: Minder on October 29, 2008, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Old Bill on October 29, 2008, 10:36:13 PM
You are next...
for what,spurs to gain another point in their fight against relegation
I warned u minder, u failed to listen. Who is laughin now?
(http://theshed.chelseafc.com/chat/uploads/107996718.jpg)
we'll see
hahahahah so funny and true...come on lads yous don't seriously think yous can challenge for OUR title..do yous??? :D :D
QuoteHow can Rafa take the blame?
It's a shot in the dark, but maybe cos he buys the players and picks the team?
Read the post, was he playing tonight? Turd.
Aww. Are you taking the defeat badly, dog breath? :'( :D
Amazing how United fans can come on and make cocks of themselves when we are still ahead of them.
How can Rafa take the blame. Babel was excellent just last week when he came on against Chelsea so how you can question that I don't know. Yossi was fresh legs, but he is not up to this standard.
Quote from: corn02 on November 02, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
Amazing how United fans can come on and make cocks of themselves when we are still ahead of them.
How can Rafa take the blame. Babel was excellent just last week when he came on against Chelsea so how you can question that I don't know. Yossi was fresh legs, but he is not up to this standard.
The substitutions didn't work. The game changed immediately in Spurs' favour. I'm not condemning him - they're not going to work out perfectly every week.
And yes, the children are back out in force all right! Ignore them and they'll get bored, as you do with any child looking for attention.
Rumour that Torres has suffered a "reaction" to his hamstring injury and will have a scan today.
Quote from: Minder on November 03, 2008, 09:38:40 AM
Rumour that Torres has suffered a "reaction" to his hamstring injury and will have a scan today.
Would not be too disaapointed. Should get at least a point with Madrid and should be able to take care of West Brom without him, the extra week could be a help.
From what I've seen of Kuyt this season, he's been super for you lads. Has your opion changed?
He seems to have a lot more confidence, to go with his obvious work ethic!
He is certainly playing well, a minor criticism from the other night was he thought everything he hit was going to fly in and was taking silly shots. Keane could do with getting his finger out in Torres absence.
Well disappointing result at the weekend. I was away so only saw a recording of it last night. In fairness Spurs were unbelievably poxed to come away with all 3 points. Liverpool went one up and hit the woodwork three times and Alonso missed a sitter until Carra somehow managed to head that ball into his own net. Spurs got a bit of momentum going then for the final 15 minutes or so but it really was daylight robbery at the Lane. Just goes to show that 1-0 is never a safe scoreline even when you are completely on top in a game. Keane looked shocked that he was booed by the home fans. I think he was half expecting the red carpet treatment and that was never going to happen.
Anyway important to bounce back now. We've got on paper a nice run of fixtures in November starting with West Brom. Would be nice to get an early lead and kill the game off quickly for a change.
Quote from: Minder on November 03, 2008, 09:38:40 AM
Rumour that Torres has suffered a "reaction" to his hamstring injury and will have a scan today.
what is your source for this
QuoteKeane looked shocked that he was booed by the home fans. I think he was half expecting the red carpet treatment and that was never going to happen.
I agree. I actually think it unsettled him too. Amazing.
Quote from: Stalin on November 03, 2008, 01:37:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 03, 2008, 09:38:40 AM
Rumour that Torres has suffered a "reaction" to his hamstring injury and will have a scan today.
what is your source for this
I saw it on the YNWA Forum last night, some fella who is known to be "reliable" with information. Its maybe bulls*it though.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 03, 2008, 01:42:46 PM
QuoteKeane looked shocked that he was booed by the home fans. I think he was half expecting the red carpet treatment and that was never going to happen.
I agree. I actually think it unsettled him too. Amazing.
Keane was only booed by a section of the fans,when he was subbed most of the Spurs fans stood and applauded him and rightly so,I don't think it affected his game at all
Has Mr Fearon been on yet to offer his condolences?
I didnt notice the 10 new threads about the game yet
Is it true that Liverpool are going to sell Keane back to Spurs in January or in the summer on the cheap due to his unsuccessful stint on Merseyside? I think the begrudgers who claimed he was not worth the large fee have been proved to be right!
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 03, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
Is it true that Liverpool are going to sell Keane back to Spurs in January or in the summer on the cheap due to his unsuccessful stint on Merseyside? I think the begrudgers who claimed he was not worth the large fee have been proved to be right!
I'd say that's complete nonsense anyway. He's only just bought himself a house and Liverpool tend to give players every chance to settle.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 03, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 03, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
Is it true that Liverpool are going to sell Keane back to Spurs in January or in the summer on the cheap due to his unsuccessful stint on Merseyside? I think the begrudgers who claimed he was not worth the large fee have been proved to be right!
I'd say that's complete nonsense anyway. He's only just bought himself a house and Liverpool tend to give players every chance to settle.
Nonsense and Nrico 2006 are familiar bed fellows.
I read that Harry Redknapp was looking to bring him back. I couldn't see Benitez letting him go as that would leave Liverpool short up front.
Regarding 'time to settle' - how long is he going to get? He should be familair with the rigours of the Premiership as he has played in it long enough, maybe he will just go down as another Morientes.
He's been at the club about 5 minutes. I think he'll get a bit longer to get into the swing of things. Where would clubs be if they sold every player who went through a poor run of form? You'd have trouble putting a team on the pitch at the weekend.
In fact his general play hasn't been that bad but he hasn't got the goals so far and strkers are of course always judged on their goals no matter what other good work they do.
The preferred front 2 of Torres and Keane have had a grand total of 5 games together.
And in the last 2 they linked up for goals - when Torres comes back - you'll see a different Robbie Keane.
Don't forget he's not playing 100% fit at the minute as well
Quote from: full back on November 03, 2008, 01:54:07 PM
Has Mr Fearon been on yet to offer his condolences?
I didnt notice the 10 new threads about the game yet
What has he to be happy about?..After Newcastle's result tonight Spurs are back on the bottom of the table
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 03, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
and Liverpool tend to give players every chance to settle.
Jean-Michel Ferri would disagree!
Quote from: ONeill on November 03, 2008, 10:33:15 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 03, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
and Liverpool tend to give players every chance to settle.
Jean-Michel Ferri would disagree!
Well when he signed he was already 32 and was constantly injured after that.
ffs Keane was one of the better players against Spurs! IMO Rafa made a mistake taking him off! maybe he had run out of steam! I didnt think so nor did Keane going by his reaction!
Why does he have to score to prove himself? Is it not a team game?
Torres not even on the bench
Sergio Garcia, Pongolle and Aguero all also on the bench. ::)
1 nil down to a great Atletico goal.
Couple of chances, Keane should have scored but other than that we haven't been good...passing has been awful
Quote from: gawa316 on November 04, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
1 nil down to a great Atletico goal.
Couple of chances, Keane should have scored but other than that we haven't been good...passing has been awful
Which one should Keane have scored? He had two half-chances but neither one of them were what you'd call sitters.
I'm not too worried..It will end 1-1 or 2-1 to Liverpool
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 04, 2008, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 04, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
1 nil down to a great Atletico goal.
Couple of chances, Keane should have scored but other than that we haven't been good...passing has been awful
Which one should Keane have scored? He had two half-chances but neither one of them were what you'd call sitters.
Eh the one were he was one on one with the keeper
Quote from: gawa316 on November 04, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 04, 2008, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 04, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
1 nil down to a great Atletico goal.
Couple of chances, Keane should have scored but other than that we haven't been good...passing has been awful
Which one should Keane have scored? He had two half-chances but neither one of them were what you'd call sitters.
Eh the one were he was one on one with the keeper
It was hardly one though where he definitely should have scored. The keeper came out very quickly and the angle was tight while defenders were running back to cover. Best chance he had would have been to hit it first time.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 04, 2008, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 04, 2008, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 04, 2008, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 04, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
1 nil down to a great Atletico goal.
Couple of chances, Keane should have scored but other than that we haven't been good...passing has been awful
Which one should Keane have scored? He had two half-chances but neither one of them were what you'd call sitters.
I still think a 20mil striker should be putting them away
Eh the one were he was one on one with the keeper
It was hardly one though where he definitely should have scored. The keeper came out very quickly and the angle was tight while defenders were running back to cover. Best chance he had would have been to hit it first time.
How bad has Gerrard been?
What a joke of a penalty.
And Liverpool supporters talk about Ronaldo? ???
Liverpool fans can officially never, ever complain about Man Utd or any other club getting soft decisions at home after that shocker. Ridiculous! :o :o
What happened lads? I'm still at work? A Gerrard dive...?
Did you miss the blatant one we didn't get?
The ref gave it so it must have been a penalty
That was a joke.
Then your man getting booked for kicking the ball over the bar from the centre.
And they say English players never dive
Very lucky in the end.
However, it would have been some dive from gerrard since he was well up in the air when the contact was made.
You can argue if it was a penalty but hardly a dive.
Did he dive J70? :D
He ran across the box, jumped into some boy and behaved like he was shot as he was going through mid air and hit the deck.
To be fair it was quite spectacular.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:41:44 PM
Clear as penalty as you will see, definate foul, correct decision, brilliantly seen linesman
well said that man
Quote from: J70 on November 04, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
What happened lads? I'm still at work? A Gerrard dive...?
Gerrard did a Graham Canty into an Atletico defender.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 04, 2008, 08:44:35 PM
I'm not too worried..It will end 1-1 or 2-1 to Liverpool
Told ye so!!
God though we were brutal tonight..WTF was
Djimi Traore Ngog going to do that Keane couldn't?
Awful decision to bring off Keane..
Aurelio was terrible and as for Arbeola ::).
Agger could have had a hatrick..
And it was never a penalty,not in a million years,if anything it was a free out,but then we should have had one earlier in the match.Stevie G showed his brass balls again though my slotting home the peno,what a player he is even after a dodgy night by his standards
Last one was never a penalty but we should have had one earlier anyway.
Not sure what the RTE boys are on? The Masch and Carra ones were never penalties IMO. They were sliding in for tackles and the ball was kicked off them. They had no control over where the ball hit them.
Ref was terrible though.
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
cheat
Wasn't a pen but neither was it a dive ffs. The two of them collided in mid-air. Was he supposed to levitate or something?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 04, 2008, 09:42:44 PM
Did he dive J70? :D
He ran across the box, jumped into some boy and behaved like he was shot as he was going through mid air and hit the deck.
To be fair it was quite spectacular.
he was going for the ball and there was a coming together. he made the most of it. id have been disappointed if he didnt.
Quote from: Stalin on November 04, 2008, 09:49:41 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on November 04, 2008, 09:42:44 PM
Did he dive J70? :D
He ran across the box, jumped into some boy and behaved like he was shot as he was going through mid air and hit the deck.
To be fair it was quite spectacular.
he was going for the ball and there was a coming together. he made the most of it. id have been disappointed if he didnt.
Well that's fair enough, I just think it's funny you boys talking about Ronaldo.
QuoteWhat can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Aye, it should have been a free out.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 04, 2008, 09:44:45 PM
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
What can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Dont know why a lot of posters are saying Stevie G was not his usual high standards etc...he was the best Liverpool player on the night!!!!! Name me one who was better??
I thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio
f**king toothless without Torres.
A valuable point, if undeserved, but im getting worried.
Just not playing well. Forget the performance against Spurs. They are brutal, and sit bottom of the league, and still won.
Too much deadwood. Babel has the first touch of a rapist. Arbeloa poor. Lucas??
The most threatening we looked tonight was from set pieces, which is not good if any sort of challenge on any front is to be sustained.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 04, 2008, 09:44:45 PM
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
What can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Dont know why a lot of posters are saying Stevie G was not his usual high standards etc...he was the best Liverpool player on the night!!!!! Name me one who was better??
he tried hardest dirtydozen but his end product was poor by his own standards. but yeah, probably still our best player!
keane was taken off cos he still isnt 100%.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 04, 2008, 09:44:45 PM
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
What can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Wrote off, Jesus it was almost a free out. Gerrard threw himself at it. Shoulder in the back? Wise up.
very very very lucky tonight. delighted to get the draw. was never a penalty.
The last couple of games have confirmed that we will need both torres & gerrard fully fit for every game for the rest of the season. just cant afford to have any of them sitting in the stand, particularly torres.
thats the main difference between liverpool and chelsea/man u - they have far more depth in their squad. so if we have any hope of silverwear this year, just better pray torres doesnt get injured again.
QuoteI thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio
Did you see him for their goal though? :D I would have reacted quicker.
To be totally honest I thought Stevie G dived
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 04, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 04, 2008, 09:44:45 PM
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
What can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Dont know why a lot of posters are saying Stevie G was not his usual high standards etc...he was the best Liverpool player on the night!!!!! Name me one who was better??
I thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio
who is this arebola fella? what did either full back do wrong tonight? just lacking a bit of end product, certainly both got forward at every opportunity. carragher was forward once or twice at the very end when the kitchen sink was being threw.
i'm a liverpool supporter but it was no penalty, i was amazed he gave it. Gerard threw himself at it and made the most...nothing to lose at that point. Would have been a travesty if liverpool had lost that game though. That's them through now unless there's a major turnaround in that group.
Gerrard was poor. His touch and passing was not up to the mark for this level of opposition
When a calm head was needed he was looking to shoot from anywhere past half way line.
His drive and passion couldnt be questioned and Yes resulted in the pen, but there is no doubt another get out of jail card used up tonight.
They owned the ball particularly in the second half but they were forever taking the wrong decision. Too many balls were played short or behind and the movement on the wings was non existent. Gerard tried hard but he and too many others were looking for the killer ball too often when the simple ball was on and possession should have been maintained.
There were a number of penalty calls that could have gone either way. I feel that the Pernea was unlucky in some regards as he and gerard were committed for the ball. The difference was that Gerard made it before Pernea and got there a second before and consequently Pernea connected with him. technically a foul as he made contact in the back with the player but it could have gone either way. I also don't think Gerard made a meal of it. he got a fair belt square in the middle of the back when he was in mid air. It would have knocked most men over.
Anyway a point is a point and 1 point from tha last 2 games secures qualification so it is not all doom and gloom ;D
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Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 04, 2008, 09:44:45 PM
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
What can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Dont know why a lot of posters are saying Stevie G was not his usual high standards etc...he was the best Liverpool player on the night!!!!! Name me one who was better??
I thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio
who is this arebola fella? what did either full back do wrong tonight? just lacking a bit of end product, certainly both got forward at every opportunity. carragher was forward once or twice at the very end when the kitchen sink was being threw.
Sorry of course I meant Arbeloa...
Erm getting forward with no end product from either wing back I would say constitutes a bad night ???
Is Gerrard from Tyrone???
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 04, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio
Agree with LL, i really dont know why we got rid of Finnan over Arebola, i really cant underrstand it, Arebola couldnt lacve his boots. Cue gabriel hurl for a Finnan bashing on this one ;D
Well Finnan is going on 33 now and the last two seasons had been troubled by injuries and a drop off in form. Finnan can't go on indefinitely and even this season he's been out injured for most of it with Espanyol.
If it was a 27 or 28 year old Finnan then that's another thing altogether.
Your reason in support of Carragher being MOTM was that he got forward a lot. Does one shot down the keeper's throat constitute creativiity or success? Contradiction much?
Quote from: Stalin on November 04, 2008, 10:02:11 PM
Your reason in support of Carragher being MOTM was that he got forward a lot. Does one shot down the keeper's throat constitute creativiity or success? Contradiction much?
Where did I say Carra was MOTM?
And btw Carra is a centre half its not his job to get forward but did so on more than one occasion and at least passed to a Liverpool player
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 04, 2008, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: Stalin on November 04, 2008, 10:02:11 PM
Your reason in support of Carragher being MOTM was that he got forward a lot. Does one shot down the keeper's throat constitute creativiity or success? Contradiction much?
Where did I say Carra was MOTM?
And btw Carra is a centre half its not his job to get forward but did so on more than one occasion and at least passed to a Liverpool player
you responded to the poster who said gerrard was MOTM with: 'I thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio.'
I'm aware that Carragher is a centre half, makes it even more baffling that you were using his forays forward in support of your claims.
Long time since I heard anyone praising Carragher's passing! :o
LL's hatred of Arbeloa shining through tonight again
Carra was at fault for the first goal - he's been poor the last 4 games or so now
That's shocking in all fairness
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Quote from: Stalin on November 04, 2008, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 04, 2008, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: Stalin on November 04, 2008, 10:02:11 PM
Your reason in support of Carragher being MOTM was that he got forward a lot. Does one shot down the keeper's throat constitute creativiity or success? Contradiction much?
Where did I say Carra was MOTM?
And btw Carra is a centre half its not his job to get forward but did so on more than one occasion and at least passed to a Liverpool player
you responded to the poster who said gerrard was MOTM with: 'I thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio.'
I'm aware that Carragher is a centre half, makes it even more baffling that you were using his forays forward in support of your claims.
Long time since I heard anyone praising Carragher's passing! :o
Either your taking the piss or you just don't get what I am saying ???
My response wasn't meant as a Carra was better than Gerrard statement it was mearly meant as Carra played well too..I didn't highlight any of the previous post so how could you have known what I was replying too?
I used his forward play because when losing 1-0 he got forward and tried to create something,He had a shot on target,he delivered a few crosses and also found a Liverpool player when it was the best option to pass..
Neither Arbeola nor Aurelio did anything even remotely like that tonight,The constantly gave the ball away hence the reason I gave regarding Carra and neither of the two could cross a ball if their lives depended on it.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 04, 2008, 10:14:38 PM
LL's hatred of Arbeloa shining through tonight again
Carra was at fault for the first goal - he's been poor the last 4 games or so now
No hatred for him at all I don't know him personally so I don't hate the man..I do however think he is brutal....
I'm relying on the rather poor picture on 101greatgoals, but it looks to me like Gerrard got to the ball first and then the contact happened. Soft penalty perhaps, but I don't see how it was a dive. However, you men all have the benefit of decent pictures, so I'll take your word for it for now.
Is it not about time the Merseyside police apprehended that sniper in Anfield?
QuoteEither your taking the piss or you just don't get what I am saying ???
My response wasn't meant as a Carra was better than Gerrard statement it was mearly meant as Carra played well too..I didn't highlight any of the previous post so how could you have known what I was replying too?
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Quote from: Stalin on November 04, 2008, 09:56:59 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 04, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 04, 2008, 09:44:45 PM
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
What can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Dont know why a lot of posters are saying Stevie G was not his usual high standards etc...he was the best Liverpool player on the night!!!!! Name me one who was better??
I thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio
QuoteI used his forward play because when losing 1-0 he got forward and tried to create something,He had a shot on target,he delivered a few crosses and also found a Liverpool player when it was the best option to pass..
Neither Arbeola nor Aurelio did anything even remotely like that tonight,The constantly gave the ball away hence the reason I gave regarding Carra and neither of the two could cross a ball if their lives depended on it.
Aurelio can't cross a ball? Good decision to get him on set piece duty by Rafa then! Neither did 'anything remotely like that'? Aurelio had a shot in first half, swung in a few dangerous balls, was always in support of the play too. He was caught out of position for their goal as a result of bombing forward. Arbeloa was always an option out the right, linked well with Kuyt.
Do you honestly think Carragher offered more going forward than those two?
edit-holy jesus that quoting business is a load of shite, you wil have to wade through them as i cant be arsed sorting them out.
Quote from: J70 on November 04, 2008, 10:20:03 PM
I'm relying on the rather poor picture on 101greatgoals, but it looks to me like Gerrard got to the ball first and then the contact happened. Soft penalty perhaps, but I don't see how it was a dive. However, you men all have the benefit of decent pictures, so I'll take your word for it for now.
He dived end of story
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Quote from: Stalin on November 04, 2008, 09:56:59 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 04, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on November 04, 2008, 09:49:46 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on November 04, 2008, 09:44:45 PM
Right any sane person knows Ronaldo dives all over the place, but never let it be said again that Gerard is some big hard player who is above all that. They are all just the same, that was ridiculous. Fell like a dying swan.
It was obvious from the collision in the air both players would fall but it was Gerard's theatrics, arms waving and appeal that won the decision.
What can a player do when he is wrote off in mid air, a shoulder in the back = a foul. A foul in the box = a penalty. Why the confusion??
Dont know why a lot of posters are saying Stevie G was not his usual high standards etc...he was the best Liverpool player on the night!!!!! Name me one who was better??
I thought Carra played well..He went forward at every chance and might have even scored,he was certainly better than the two yobs Arebola and Aurelio
QuoteI used his forward play because when losing 1-0 he got forward and tried to create something,He had a shot on target,he delivered a few crosses and also found a Liverpool player when it was the best option to pass..
Neither Arbeola nor Aurelio did anything even remotely like that tonight,The constantly gave the ball away hence the reason I gave regarding Carra and neither of the two could cross a ball if their lives depended on it.
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Aurelio can't cross a ball? Good decision to get him on set piece duty by Rafa then! Neither did 'anything remotely like that'? Aurelio had a shot in first half, swung in a few dangerous balls, was always in support of the play too. He was caught out of position for their goal as a result of bombing forward. Arbeloa was always an option out the right, linked well with Kuyt.
Do you honestly think Carragher offered more going forward than those two?
edit-holy jesus that quoting business is a load of shite, you wil have to wade through them as i cant be arsed sorting them out.
Na couldn't be arsed myself..We'll have to argee to disagree so :)
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 04, 2008, 09:57:25 PM
Gerrard was poor. His touch and passing was not up to the mark for this level of opposition
When a calm head was needed he was looking to shoot from anywhere past half way line.
His drive and passion couldnt be questioned and Yes resulted in the pen, but there is no doubt another get out of jail card used up tonight.
Agree with pretty much all that, Gerrard was poor. Yes he tried hard, (that should be automatic by the way ) but his touch was terrible at times and he was doing his headless chicken routine when a calm head was needed, shooting everytime he was within 30 yards. Need Torres back as soon as,and that piece of information i read about him suffering a reaction to the injury seems to have been on the money.
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Quote from: Yes I Would on November 04, 2008, 09:57:25 PM
Gerrard was poor. His touch and passing was not up to the mark for this level of opposition
When a calm head was needed he was looking to shoot from anywhere past half way line.
His drive and passion couldnt be questioned and Yes resulted in the pen, but there is no doubt another get out of jail card used up tonight.
Agree with pretty much all that, Gerrard was poor. Yes he tried hard, (that should be automatic by the way ) but his touch was terrible at times and he was doing his headless chicken routine when a calm head was needed, shooting everytime he was within 30 yards. Need Torres back as soon as,and that piece of information i read about him suffering a reaction to the injury seems to have been on the money.
I don't think he's had any reaction. He wanted to play but they didn't want to risk him which is understandable.
Rafa was interviewed before the match and said he "felt something",anyway i wouldnt be in a hurry to have him back for the west brom game. If we cant beat them without him we should just pack up the tent.
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THATS ALL I GOT TO SAY ;D
Thankfully English isn't your first language
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he dived.
Agger should have scored 4.
Soccer is terribly hard to watch--i watched the 1983 League Cup Final on Setanta last week though between Man Utd and L'Pool and thought the standard was much better than nowadays
Do you really think the Pool can win the champions league ?
Not a chance , wake up and smell the coffee scousers boys . ;D
He dived , you would have thought he was shot by a sniper in the crowd .
He threw himself to the ground crying for it big time , the linesman did not have the julies to waved it away . ;D
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on November 04, 2008, 11:36:37 PM
Do you really think the Pool can win the champions league ?
Well we often do so why not?
Quote from: Rasmatazz:) on November 04, 2008, 11:36:37 PM
Do you really think the Pool can win the champions league ?
Not a chance , wake up and smell the coffee scousers boys . ;D
Yes, two final appearances and one win in the past three years with much inferior teams. Liverpool obviously have no chance!
Alonso was the only Liverpool player to turn up last night.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 05, 2008, 08:07:56 AM
Alonso was the only Liverpool player to turn up last night.
Agree
Shocking dive from Gerrard, really shocking. Should be ashamed of himself. Up there if not surpassing Ronaldo & Drogba.
The scousers deserved a result & should have had a couple of penalties before that anyway, ref had one to forget. Alonso was very good, dont understand why Rafa wanted to get shot of him.
Alonso had a fine game alright. continuing on from his impressive form this season.
on another note, over the 2 games I thought the reception given to both Torres & Luis Garcia from opposing fans was commendable. Flags & Posters of Torres all over the stadium in madrid and the lad wasnt even in the stadium, and then again last night alot of the Madrid fans waving torres scarves. And as for the liverpool fans - well at 1-0 down and 5 mins remaining, Garcia was warming up and you could hear the Liverpool fans singing the Luis Garcia song in full voice. Now thats how you should welcome back previous players. Some spurs fans should take note....
As for the gerrard penalty. totally wrong decision and gerrard made an absolute meal of it, screaming as he went down and looked for the penalty. however, if anyone calling him a diver is implying that he could have stayed on his feet, you need to cop on. Both players went fully committed for a 50-50 ball, there was a collision and with gerrard being in the air, he fell to the ground. Correct decision was to play on and Madrid kick out. However, there's no way gerrard could have stayed on his feet. He may have cheated the officials but he didnt dive IMHO.
I thought the Atletico player was lucky to stay on the pitch after the challenge, disgraceful tackle.
Quote from: full back on November 05, 2008, 08:17:04 AM
Shocking dive from Gerrard, really shocking. Should be ashamed of himself. Up there if not surpassing Ronaldo & Drogba.
Seriously I do not know if we are watching the same incident.
He was up in the air, got the ball first and then there was a collision, sideways on for Gerard.
Do you agree he got the ball first?
Do you think there was contact?
Do you actually think he should have been able to keep going after it?
Come off it nifan
Watch the video on the previous page, he almost falls backwards while executing his dive with his arms in the air
To answer your questions
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No
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Even alan Green thought it was no pen!
The extra 'twist & shout' Gerrard put in made it look bad.
The Spanish defender pulled out to protect himself... Gerrard knew what he was at!
full back, look at the movement of the defender when the contact came - did he also dive - his body seems to twist and change direction as well.
Perhaps not a penalty as both men challenge for the ball, but not a dive for me.
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When the defenders body twists & changes direction does he fling himself to the ground with his arms outstretched & his back almost arched?
A blind man could see this is a dive by Gerrard
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Never a penalty, and a very lacklustre performance all round I thought. Liverpool almost looked complacent. Kuyt was back to himself, but really, when you finish a game with a front two of Kuyt and N'Gog, it doesn't inspire confidence.
Absolutely got out of jail, and didn't deserve to.
Quote from: full back on November 05, 2008, 09:25:28 AM
When the defenders body twists & changes direction does he fling himself to the ground with his arms outstretched & his back almost arched?
A blind man could see this is a dive by Gerrard
Is there contact - you said no, so why does the defender make it appear so.
Gerard may have thrown his arms about a bit but that doesnt mean that the contact wasnt there.
You said he didnt dive nifan - he did
BTW, did Keane shag Rafa's wife?
Im getting a bit worried about Keane, he is giving us very little at the minute. Please dont anyone say he is "working his socks off", that should be a given. Hopefully when Torres comes back and he is playing up alongside him he will improve but it hasnt been great so far.
Quote from: full back on November 05, 2008, 09:46:18 AM
You said he didnt dive nifan - he did
Throwing your hands up in the air when you think youve been fouled is not a dive.
I said I didnt think it was a penalty, nor a dive.
I think we will have to agree to disagree
That doesn't escape the fact he dived nifan. Yes there was contact but it's a contact sport.
Look at the head movement - looked like a sniper from the crowd hit him.
Looks like Tom Daly has a rival!
Gerard Cheated last night. Not the first time he has and wont be the last. Liverpool should have had 1 maybe 2 penalties before the dive but it still does not excuse cheating. And before I get jumped on I know he is not the only one that does it. ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on November 05, 2008, 10:59:49 AM
Gerard Cheated last night. Not the first time he has and wont be the last. Liverpool should have had 1 maybe 2 penalties before the dive but it still does not excuse cheating. And before I get jumped on I know he is not the only one that does it. ;)
Gerard who?
lasts nights game was laughable from start to finish....within the first 30 seconds agger should've had a penalty for the chop down on him as he shot.....agger last night was brilliant i thought.....he was everywhere. he'll get his scoring touch back soon i'd say.
there was also the atletico handball so the fair result was at least the draw....atletico were under bombardment for 95% of this match.
referee/and his officials were a complete joke but they made the right decision in the 4th minute of injury time....the defeneder was crazy to put a tackle in on gerard, stevie flying in for the ball and both him and the ball were only going in one direction and that was for the corner....the atletico defender had no chance of getting the ball and when he knew the ball was a lost cause he clattered into stevie inside the box....that was STUPID...thats what happens...ok stevie made a slight meal of it. but it WAS A PENALTY....
looks like we're thru anyway
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 05, 2008, 09:40:41 AM
Never a penalty, and a very lacklustre performance all round I thought. Liverpool almost looked complacent. Kuyt was back to himself, but really, when you finish a game with a front two of Kuyt and N'Gog, it doesn't inspire confidence.
Absolutely got out of jail, and didn't deserve to.
Agree with most of that AZ, but I do think we deserved the draw. And actually if one of Keane's, Agger's (x 3) or Gerrard's efforts had gone in, I think they would have went on to win it.
Cant underestimate how important that result is - keeps the home record intact and also almost guarantees qualification to knockout stages.
Quote from: Abble on November 05, 2008, 11:06:35 AM
ok stevie made a slight meal of it.
And the award for understatement of the year goes to................
Quotelasts nights game was laughable from start to finish.... .
Good point!
Quoteagger last night was brilliant i thought.....he was everywhere.
He's a centre half; he wasn't where he was needed! – Rescuing Carra!
Quotethere was also the atletico handball so the fair result was at least the draw....
They should have had 2 peno's!
Quoteatletico were under bombardment for 95% of this match.
How many saves did Franco make? – I thought Athletico looked more dangerous – in both matches.
(Might have been different if Torres was playing!)
As for the peno, the defender pulled out, Gerrard jumped at him!
QuoteHow many saves did Franco make? – I thought Athletico looked more dangerous – in both matches.
Liverpool had something like 20 efforts on goal last night. Only got 5 or 6 on target or something. Others were very close though. Agger twice headed just past/over the woodwork. They dominated the game last night but like against Spurs didn't put the ball in the net.
First game Liverpool dominated the first half then Atletico the second.
QuoteThey should have had 2 peno's!
Never in a million years were those penalties despite what those senile eejits on RTE say. Carra and Masch were sliding in for tackles and the ball was blasted off them. There is no way they had any control over where the ball hit them.
Right, if we were beat last night we would still go through so it is not a massive result.
Was not a dive, was not a penalty. Of the six 'incidents' Liverpool should have had two, Madrid none. Agger was pulled back, the Madrid player played the ball with his hand. Gerrard's was not a penalty (although Rafa was probably right that if it happened in midfield you would get a freekick and noone would complain). Carragher and Mascheranos' blocks were bal lto hand.
The worrying thing for me was the fact tha Babel. Lucas and NGog were the three subs. Our squad is still a mile off Cheslea and Man Utd.
Good we move from Ngog on the line in fairness, though he should have crossed instead of shooting afterwards.
Yes he certainly should have squared it.
Btw I always stand up for Kuyt, but he had his worst game of the season last night.
Fernando tones down his celebration. ;D
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wow-how stoic was the woman in front of nando!
Is that Fernando's woman beside him?
Anyone else thinks she looks like a man ???
Quote from: full back on November 05, 2008, 02:20:59 PM
Is that Fernando's woman beside him?
Anyone else thinks she looks like a man ???
Aye it must have been as they were holding hands, i would need to see her in her birthday suit before i made a full statement.
Quote from: full back on November 05, 2008, 02:20:59 PM
Is that Fernando's woman beside him?
Anyone else thinks she looks like a man ???
Doesn't look like the girl he arrived in Liverpool with. Maybe he traded her in?
catch yourself on lads, half of you lot would ride torres never mind the girls beside him ::)
ps... she would get it!
Quote from: lurganblue on November 05, 2008, 02:42:18 PM
catch yourself on lads, half of you lot would ride torres never mind the girls beside him ::)
ps... she would get it!
FFS a man with Torres' money & looks ;) can do far better than that
Looks as though Fernando wouldnt want to be seen with someone better looking than himself ;)
if he was a bar of chocolate he would eat himself right enough
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Talks were so advanced that due diligence, the process of going through the Anfield accounts, took place last month.
The accounts even forecast the Kop outfit would make a projected profit of £45million by the end of this season — a claim city experts believe is totally unrealistic.
But Hicks and Gillett were left empty-handed when the Arabs dramatically walked away at the 11th hour.
The news puts the Americans under intense pressure to accept the £500m offer still on the table from Dubai International Capital, who have a long-held interest in buying the club.
Hicks and Gillett borrowed £350m from the Royal Bank of Scotland to help them buy Liverpool but that deal expires in January.
And with the bank already a major victim of the credit crunch, there is a danger the Americans will fail to get the loan deal they need to remain owners of the club.
That could let in DIC, who have pledged to invest heavily in Liverpool's new stadium, currently put on hold by the cash-strapped Yanks, and the playing squad.
I think this last 24 hours provides a wee snap shot of who is wearing the best Stevie G Tinted glasses.
Wasn't it himnself in hnis autobiography that slated Carfvalho and Ronaldo as cheats?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 05, 2008, 05:01:42 PM
I think this last 24 hours provides a wee snap shot of who is wearing the best Stevie G Tinted glasses.
Wasn't it himnself in hnis autobiography that slated Carfvalho and Ronaldo as cheats?
Maybe he looked at Drogbas' medals and said cheats prosper and took a leaf out of his book.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 05, 2008, 05:01:42 PM
I think this last 24 hours provides a wee snap shot of who is wearing the best Stevie G Tinted glasses.
Wasn't it himnself in hnis autobiography that slated Carfvalho and Ronaldo as cheats?
Personally, it doesn't make much difference to me if Gerrard is a hypocrite or cheat. I can't control him or his actions or statements, so I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, although I will condemn any cheating. He has definitely dived in the past, which makes him a hypocrite for criticizing others, but I am not sure if he dived last night. Others obviously differ in their opinion of that incident. Most teams have players who dive or have dived, yet most supporters get up in arms when an opposition player does it, the same as they do when a rival benefits from a poor referee's or linesman's decision, despite the fact that their team will benefit at some point as well. Most supporters are hypocrites too I guess.
I believe Lucas's house was burgled on Tuesday night.
was at the game on Tuesday, must say it was a very muted affair. My main worry was not so much the result or performance on the night, but the fact that Liverpool finished the match with Arbeloa, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, Babel and Derek Kuyt. 6 average players at best, with the exception of Aurelio, who is just pure dung....progress? I think not
time to give M O'N a shot at the title
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Jesus christ lads, its only ten days since Liverpool won at Stamford Bridge! :o ;D
Quote from: peterquaife on November 06, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
was at the game on Tuesday, must say it was a very muted affair. My main worry was not so much the result or performance on the night, but the fact that Liverpool finished the match with Arbeloa, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, Babel and Derek Kuyt. 6 average players at best, with the exception of Aurelio, who is just pure dung....progress? I think not
time to give M O'N a shot at the title
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Best ever start to a Premier League season. Aye let's get Martin O'Neill in quick.
Quote from: peterquaife on November 06, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
was at the game on Tuesday, must say it was a very muted affair. My main worry was not so much the result or performance on the night, but the fact that Liverpool finished the match with Arbeloa, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, Babel and Derek Kuyt. 6 average players at best, with the exception of Aurelio, who is just pure dung....progress? I think not
time to give M O'N a shot at the title
PQ
WTF - I am amazed at this. Jesus Gill is alive and well and posting on the GAABoard as a liverpool supporter.
Today Peterquaife - "Welcome Martin, new Liverpool manager, you have till christmas to win the league."
December 27th - Peterquaife - "Martin, you are level with Chelsea and ahead of United but the league isn't in the bag yet. Collect your P45 at the door and move your car out of Big Sam's spot"
Quote from: Minder on November 06, 2008, 09:45:37 AM
I believe Lucas's house was burgled on Tuesday night.
You think they'd have better security measures in place now
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/11/06/liverpool-fc-s-lucas-leiva-is-latest-player-burglary-victim-100252-22201131/
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2008, 08:55:17 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 06, 2008, 09:45:37 AM
I believe Lucas's house was burgled on Tuesday night.
You think they'd have better security measures in place now
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/11/06/liverpool-fc-s-lucas-leiva-is-latest-player-burglary-victim-100252-22201131/
Must have been a big boot sale in Manchester today so
Benitez to be offered new contract
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/11/07/rafa-benitez-set-for-new-anfield-deal-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-22205900/
Quote from: peterquaife on November 06, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
was at the game on Tuesday, must say it was a very muted affair. My main worry was not so much the result or performance on the night, but the fact that Liverpool finished the match with Arbeloa, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, Babel and Derek Kuyt. 6 average players at best, with the exception of Aurelio, who is just pure dung....progress? I think not
time to give M O'N a shot at the title
PQ
Please tell me you were there as a Madrid fan?
Quote from: Minder on November 07, 2008, 11:14:35 AM
Benitez to be offered new contract
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/11/07/rafa-benitez-set-for-new-anfield-deal-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-22205900/
Thrilled by this. Benitez, hopefully, will be around for many, many years.
Quote from: bingobus on November 06, 2008, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on November 06, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
was at the game on Tuesday, must say it was a very muted affair. My main worry was not so much the result or performance on the night, but the fact that Liverpool finished the match with Arbeloa, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, Babel and Derek Kuyt. 6 average players at best, with the exception of Aurelio, who is just pure dung....progress? I think not
time to give M O'N a shot at the title
PQ
WTF - I am amazed at this. Jesus Gill is alive and well and posting on the GAABoard as a liverpool supporter.
Today Peterquaife - "Welcome Martin, new Liverpool manager, you have till christmas to win the league."
December 27th - Peterquaife - "Martin, you are level with Chelsea and ahead of United but the league isn't in the bag yet. Collect your P45 at the door and move your car out of Big Sam's spot"
as much as I like Rafa, he has had 5 years and his team is still moving in the same direction as a crab. He continously over complicates and has purchased countless millions on crap.
as regards the position, the reds have been riding their luck, and a league win against chelsea, first in years is hearalded as a triumph, bollix...liverpool should be beating the likes of chelsea regularly.
christ, if i started listed the players he has purchased, it would just ruin my Friday feeling
PQ
Why should they be beating the likes of Chelsea regularly? Because they did regularly 20 years ago?
Quote from: peterquaife on November 07, 2008, 05:09:22 PM
Quote from: bingobus on November 06, 2008, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on November 06, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
was at the game on Tuesday, must say it was a very muted affair. My main worry was not so much the result or performance on the night, but the fact that Liverpool finished the match with Arbeloa, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, Babel and Derek Kuyt. 6 average players at best, with the exception of Aurelio, who is just pure dung....progress? I think not
time to give M O'N a shot at the title
PQ
WTF - I am amazed at this. Jesus Gill is alive and well and posting on the GAABoard as a liverpool supporter.
Today Peterquaife - "Welcome Martin, new Liverpool manager, you have till christmas to win the league."
December 27th - Peterquaife - "Martin, you are level with Chelsea and ahead of United but the league isn't in the bag yet. Collect your P45 at the door and move your car out of Big Sam's spot"
as much as I like Rafa, he has had 5 years and his team is still moving in the same direction as a crab. He continously over complicates and has purchased countless millions on crap.
as regards the position, the reds have been riding their luck, and a league win against chelsea, first in years is hearalded as a triumph, bollix...liverpool should be beating the likes of chelsea regularly.
christ, if i started listed the players he has purchased, it would just ruin my Friday feeling
PQ
For all the rubbish he has purchased, and he has, his transfer details are almost totally neutral when you exclude those currently in the squad i.e. he has taken in what he has spent.
Still, I wouldn't be in a hurry to renew him, at least until the end of the season, see where the club are.
QuoteNew Argentina boss Diego Maradona visited Melwood this afternoon for talks with Rafa Benitez and Javier Mascherano.
The trio discussed Mascherano's role for his country under the new regime - but only after Gerrard and co clamoured to shake Maradona's hand.
Benitez said: "It was difficult for me to see him because all our players were very excited about him being here.
"Two of our 'stars' came over and got his autograph. Then after, another 15 players came in saying they wanted to have a photo with him. But he was very good, nice and patient with everyone, so it was a very good experience.
"There was Gerrard, Carra, Keane, Alonso - his father played with Maradona when he was with Barcelona. Then Pepe Reina and also some young players. You could see Insua, Spearing, Flynn - all sorts of players."
The boss added: "We had a meeting to talk about the future of Mascherano with the national team and a few ideas.
"It was a very positive meeting."
One of the items sure to have been discussed was the possibility of Mascherano taking the captain's armband for his country.
Maradona has made no secret of his desire to make the Liverpool man his skipper, while Mascherano admits it would be 'an honour' to lead his nation.
However, no official announcement has yet been made.
Benitez added: "They will now meet again with Javier and it will depend on him.
"He has a fantastic mentality, a strong character and he's a good professional. If he wants he can be a fantastic captain."
I had read somewhere that Masch turned down the chance to be captain as he thinks he is too quiet on the pitch.
Some refs in the league would disagree with that :D
f**k this f**king second time this year we cant watch game cos shite weather means no signal for setanta channels wtf f**k the f**k off
QuoteThe Reds XI in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Agger, Carragher, Mascherano, Gerrard, Kuyt, Benayoun, Riera, Keane. Subs: Cavalieri, Hyypia, Torres, Alonso, Babel, Insua, El Zhar.
post links in here plz
Half Time
liverpool 2
West brom 0
Great first half, and Robbie Keane with both goals!! ;)
Hat trick in front of the Kop would be nice now ;D
If they continue to go the way they were in the last 25 minutes, they should get another two or three here. Reina was lucky with that near-post one he lost though, while there was a hint of a possible penalty when Carragher either leaned into or pushed (couldn't tell which) the WBA forward. Riera is trying to take too much out of the ball as well - he should pass or cross sooner, but I suppose if he does beat his man and get through into space, we'll all be singing his praises!
Keane looks hungry!
Agree about Riera, a few early crosses could cause problems, although he has the beating of his man!
Aurelio impressing aswell, West Brom are poor but!
Arbeloa with the 3rd with the last kick of the game
(http://img.skysports.com/07/07/218x298/arbeloa_505009.jpg)
Great finish by Arbeloa!
No hat trick for Keane but a very impressive performance by him!
Top now for another few hours!
Chelsea should see off Blackburn tomorrow.
Also good to see Hull drop points today, after Chelsea they seem like the only real challengers :)
Quote from: J70 on November 08, 2008, 07:25:55 PM
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Hiya LaoisLad :D :D :D
Why is Rafa playing Arbeloa as a defender he's obviously a striker..Thats why he is so bad at defending he isn't one :D Great strike by him in fairness
Delighted for Keane,two great finishes,We have 3 or 4 relatively straight forward games coming hopefully the momentum will continue
I thought Rafa could have left Keane on,Kuyt just isn't ever going to be substituted is he..
LL will be extremely proud of Arbeloa after that goal. Need to be winning these types of games by at least 3 to top up the goal difference. Looks like a 3 horse race now with Arsenal back in it.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2008, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 08, 2008, 07:25:55 PM
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Hiya LaoisLad :D :D :D
Still wouldn't describe him as being a "Tremendous" player like you believe he is...
Great strike all the same
Interesting that the bookies have us third favourites for the title, even after today's results:
Chelsea 4/5 Bet
Man Utd 3/1 Bet
Liverpool 4/1 Bet
Arsenal 10/1 Bet
Aston Villa 125/1 Bet
(from bet365.com)
Chelsea's price is too short in my opinion. Utd have played Liverpool, Chelsea, and the Arse away from home already, Arsenal (when on) play the best football, and Liverpool look like they have real title resolve this year (we've only been waiting for 18 years!).
I'm going to tempt fate and call for a league title Anfield-bound come May 2009.
Quote from: Niall Quinn on November 08, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
Interesting that the bookies have us third favourites for the title, even after today's results:
Chelsea 4/5 Bet
Man Utd 3/1 Bet
Liverpool 4/1 Bet
Arsenal 10/1 Bet
Aston Villa 125/1 Bet
(from bet365.com)
Chelsea's price is too short in my opinion. Utd have played Liverpool, Chelsea, and the Arse away from home already, Arsenal (when on) play the best football, and Liverpool look like they have real title resolve this year (we've only been waiting for 18 years!).
I'm going to tempt fate and call for a league title Anfield-bound come May 2009.
They have, and have the grand total of 1 point for their efforts
Yeah, it just makes me nervous that they've played their three most difficult games and are still only 5 pts adrift (assuming they win their game in hand).
They've Villa and City away over the next few weeks and I'd really like to see them drop a few more points there ;D
Quote from: Niall Quinn on November 08, 2008, 08:32:01 PM
Yeah, it just makes me nervous that they've played their three most difficult games and are still only 5 pts adrift (assuming they win their game in hand).
They've Villa and City away over the next few weeks and I'd really like to see them drop a few more points there ;D
Agreed.
It was nice to score a couple in the 1st half today, to take the pressure off us in the 2nd for a change. Really need to take full points in our next few games but tryining to predict Liverpool results is a lottery.
Good professional performance.
Robbie took his goals well and looked sharp.
Equally important though was clean sheet and pretty much dominating from start to finish. Torres should be raring to go from the start next day out.
West Brom poor and will struggle but these are the type of games Liverpool have struggled to convince in in recent years.
Well spuds again tomorrow night. They'll be really up for, with them being cup holders and there recent improvement. Although it is 4th choice in our list of wanted silverware I think tomorrow nights match is still important. It'll give a few squad members a chance to shine and hopefully a few youngsters will get a chance to step up.
My team for tomorrow night would be:
Cavalieri
Degen Hyppia Agger Insua
Lucas Plessis
El Zhar Benayoun Babel
Ngog
Subs: Torres, Pacheo, Darby, Huth, Alonso, Martin, Spearing Not sure if you're allowed 7 subs in carling cup
Is nemeth injured?
Also wouldnt play Agger.
Quote from: nifan on November 11, 2008, 01:05:22 PM
Is nemeth injured?
Also wouldnt play Agger.
I think he got injured while on international duty with Hungary.
Quote from: nifan on November 11, 2008, 01:05:22 PM
Is nemeth injured?
Also wouldnt play Agger.
Yeah Nemeth is injured. Still think Agger needs games before he gets back to his best, plus not sure if any of the reserves are ready but hopefully I'm wrong.
Quote from: gawa316 on November 11, 2008, 11:52:07 AM
Well spuds again tomorrow night. They'll be really up for, with them being cup holders and there recent improvement. Although it is 4th choice in our list of wanted silverware I think tomorrow nights match is still important. It'll give a few squad members a chance to shine and hopefully a few youngsters will get a chance to step up.
My team for tomorrow night would be:
Cavalieri
Degen Hyppia Agger Insua
Lucas Plessis
El Zhar Benayoun Babel
Ngog
Subs: Torres, Pacheo, Darby, Huth, Alonso, Martin, Spearing Not sure if you're allowed 7 subs in carling cup
Pretty much spot on the team I'd like to see. Excpet instead of Yossi I would like your lad - can't remeber his name - was good in pre-season with Nemeth. and maybe Pennant for Babel.
Quote from: corn02 on November 11, 2008, 04:34:58 PM
Pretty much spot on the team I'd like to see. Excpet instead of Yossi I would like your lad - can't remeber his name - was good in pre-season with Nemeth. and maybe Pennant for Babel.
Pacheo is his name. Haven't seen a whole load of him but from glimpses he looks class, considering he is only 17
Quote from: gawa316 on November 11, 2008, 01:55:03 PM
Still think Agger needs games before he gets back to his best, plus not sure if any of the reserves are ready but hopefully I'm wrong.
I think he is playing a reasonable number of games since getting back to fitness.
Wouldnt want to overdo it.
If Hobbs wasnt on loan Id have had him in.
Didn't see anyone thanking Carson for his assist for Keane's second the last day. Joke.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 11, 2008, 04:48:18 PM
Didn't see anyone thanking Carson for his assist for Keane's second the last day. Joke.
Near as bad asPhil Neville's assist for Unted in the 4-2 one. ;)
Don't give a toss about tomorrows night match to be honest,Might be no harm to be out of it as it's only a distraction,Spurs I'm sure will have a full team as this cup is for the likes of them.
It will be a good run out for our reserve team
Agree with LL,i would play the bus driver,cleaning staff etc tomorrow night
Yous would of been glad of the carling cup the last few seasons :D :D
Quote from: new devil on November 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
Yous would of been glad of the carling cup the last few seasons :D :D
What as opposed to the Champions League and FA Cup?
Quote from: new devil on November 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
Yous would of been glad of the carling cup the last few seasons :D :D
No, despite your desperate hope that all Liverpool fans have been mired in the depths of despair over the past few seasons, I don't think any serious Liverpool supporter would have given a shit if the club had won the league cup. The '07 champions league campaign wasn't even met with huge enthusiasm, disappointing as it was to lose it once the team got to the final. All Liverpool supporters give a f**k about is the league: the champions league is a nice second option, but winning it would not make up for another league challenge petering out by January. The FA Cup and League Cup don't mean shit - nice to win either, but forgotten about pretty quickly and not really anything to boast about.
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2008, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: new devil on November 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
Yous would of been glad of the carling cup the last few seasons :D :D
No, despite your desperate hope that all Liverpool fans have been mired in the depths of despair over the past few seasons, I don't think any serious Liverpool supporter would have given a shit if the club had won the league cup. The '07 champions league campaign wasn't even met with huge enthusiasm, disappointing as it was to lose it once the team got to the final. All Liverpool supporters give a f**k about is the league: the champions league is a nice second option, but winning it would not make up for another league challenge petering out by January. The FA Cup and League Cup don't mean shit - nice to win either, but forgotten about pretty quickly and not really anything to boast about.
Being honest though I was f**king delighted when we beat Utd. 2 nil in the 2003 League Cup Final - for once the Worthless Cup had meaning... at least for my Utd. supporting friends :D
I couldn't give a toss about it, Rafa should give the squad players a run out, definitely no first teamers, and let Spurs get on with trying to get themselves back into Europe next year by retaining.
Quote from: Mentalman on November 12, 2008, 02:34:21 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2008, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: new devil on November 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
Yous would of been glad of the carling cup the last few seasons :D :D
No, despite your desperate hope that all Liverpool fans have been mired in the depths of despair over the past few seasons, I don't think any serious Liverpool supporter would have given a shit if the club had won the league cup. The '07 champions league campaign wasn't even met with huge enthusiasm, disappointing as it was to lose it once the team got to the final. All Liverpool supporters give a f**k about is the league: the champions league is a nice second option, but winning it would not make up for another league challenge petering out by January. The FA Cup and League Cup don't mean shit - nice to win either, but forgotten about pretty quickly and not really anything to boast about.
Being honest though I was f**king delighted when we beat Utd. 2 nil in the 2003 League Cup Final - for once the Worthless Cup had meaning... at least for my Utd. supporting friends :D
I couldn't give a toss about it, Rafa should give the squad players a run out, definitely no first teamers, and let Spurs get on with trying to get themselves back into Europe next year by retaining.
Obviously none of us would want to lose a final of any kind against United (and vice versa I'm sure) and, to a lesser extent, Chelsea or Arsenal. I doubt if anyone would give a second thought to not making it to the final though, which is more my point.
Mourinho was the only 'big four' manager who actually wanted to win this competition. I dont think he realised how little the other 3 teams wanted to win it. chelsea always had most of their first team playing when he was manager.
I think it will be a good game tonight maybe extra time
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has confirmed both Steven Gerrard and Robbie Keane will definitely be rested for Wednesday's Carling Cup fourth-round tie at Tottenham.
And he has intimated Jamie Carragher, Dirk Kuyt and Xabi Alonso could also be left out.
Benitez's decision means Keane will not be able to face his former club, having left Spurs for Liverpool during the summer in a £20million move.
Benitez had made it clear he would rest several senior players - some of whom have played six games in 18 days - for the game at White Hart Lane, but has only now confirmed exactly who they will be.
Benitez said: "Gerrard will not be in the squad and neither will Keane.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 12, 2008, 10:09:55 AM
Mourinho was the only 'big four' manager who actually wanted to win this competition. I dont think he realised how little the other 3 teams wanted to win it. chelsea always had most of their first team playing when he was manager.
I think it will be a good game tonight maybe extra time
True re Jose. I think, and would agree that winning the CC gave Chelsea a winning mentality. It also takes some pressure off a boss when he has silverware in the cupboard.
Fears of fire sale of Liverpools top players
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5134437.ece
Quote from: new devil on November 11, 2008, 11:33:38 PM
Yous would of been glad of the carling cup the last few seasons :D :D
Hope your not banned again for being a idiot
Quote from: corn02 on November 11, 2008, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 11, 2008, 04:48:18 PM
Didn't see anyone thanking Carson for his assist for Keane's second the last day. Joke.
Near as bad asPhil Neville's assist for Unted in the 4-2 one. ;)
I think it was actually an og and I seem to remember that being highlighted quite a lot at the time unlike Carson's fuckup (what was he thinking?).
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 12, 2008, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 11, 2008, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 11, 2008, 04:48:18 PM
Didn't see anyone thanking Carson for his assist for Keane's second the last day. Joke.
Near as bad asPhil Neville's assist for Unted in the 4-2 one. ;)
I think it was actually an og and I seem to remember that being highlighted quite a lot at the time unlike Carson's fuckup (what was he thinking?).
Aye sure Aurelio's great counter attack from defense and excellent thru ball for Robbie had no bearing on the goal whatsoever it was all down to Carson ::)
Robbie might have actually scored even if Carson hadn't rushed out,but don't let that get in the way of a good whinge
Quote from: Minder on November 12, 2008, 02:24:29 PM
Fears of fire sale of Liverpools top players
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5134437.ece
Interesting but I don't think it will come to that! If there is a £500 million offer on the table why is it not accepted given the current economic state? I would rip their hand off for it!!
Quote from: Minder on November 11, 2008, 09:53:15 PM
Agree with LL,i would play the bus driver,cleaning staff etc tomorrow night
Play the bus driver!..I thought only the Kilkenny footballers done that..
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 12, 2008, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 11, 2008, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 11, 2008, 04:48:18 PM
Didn't see anyone thanking Carson for his assist for Keane's second the last day. Joke.
Near as bad asPhil Neville's assist for Unted in the 4-2 one. ;)
I think it was actually an og and I seem to remember that being highlighted quite a lot at the time unlike Carson's fuckup (what was he thinking?).
Yeah still as bad. Carson did not strike me as doing anything wrong to be honest - looked like a smart touch from Keane to take it past him.
keane took it well aye but carson did fk up, error of judgement in that he came out to get the ball but misjudged the situation and allowed keane to get to it first.
The Liverpool team in full:
Cavalieri,
Degen, Agger, Hyypia, Dossena,
El Zhar, Lucas, Plessis, Babel,
Ngog, Torres.
1-0 spurs , it has been coming.
Babel the only player performing, Torres sloppy.
2-0 - defending of the highest order. ::)
3-0 spurs. Was contemplating heading to this - thank f**k I didn't.
dossena is the worsttt, closely followed by ngog and plessis.
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
3-0 spurs. Was contemplating heading to this - thank f**k I didn't.
Jesus the defending is awful and it's not as if it's a young reserve defence
Reenforces the notion that the second string are a shower of shite!!
Win us the f**king league and then talk about your contract Rafa!
Quote from: gawa316 on November 12, 2008, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
3-0 spurs. Was contemplating heading to this - thank f**k I didn't.
Jesus the defending is awful and it's not as if it's a young reserve defence
No but Degen has been injured for the past 2 years and Dossena is just shite. Even Sami is showing his age with those shitehawks either side of him.
Can't get too bothered about it though. The manager obviously doesn't give a toss and neither do the players on the pitch so why should I?
Ones I feel sorry for are the travelling fans spending their money to go watch players who aren't interested.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 12, 2008, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 12, 2008, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
3-0 spurs. Was contemplating heading to this - thank f**k I didn't.
Jesus the defending is awful and it's not as if it's a young reserve defence
No but Degen has been injured for the past 2 years and Dossena is just shite. Even Sami is showing his age with those shitehawks either side of him.
Can't get too bothered about it though. The manager obviously doesn't give a toss and neither do the players on the pitch so why should I?
Ones I feel sorry for are the travelling fans spending their money to go watch players who aren't interested.
Can't say I'm overly bothered either but gettin a good stuffin can't be good for morale. Just hope we can lift it a bit in the second half and show a bit of pride
Some encouragement here.
The last two times Spurs have been three nil up at half time they've went on to actually lose both games, to Man Utd and Man City.
Liverpool may now have a team capable of challenging for the Premier League, but certainly not a squad.
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 08:36:58 PM
Reenforces the notion that the second string are a shower of shite!!
Win us the f**king league and then talk about your contract!!
Waht shite you talking?
4-1 now.
I really wish we hadnt risked agger now - those muppets beside him are going to drag him down to their level.
Dossena and Degen are brutal
I would like to see some meaningful silverware before any extension to contract is renewed. That ok??
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 08:59:21 PM
I would like to see some meaningful silverware before any extension to contract is renewed. That ok??
So if they lost the league on goal difference and lost in the finals of the Champions League and FA cup you wouldn't offer him a new contract?
He'd bring O'Neill in
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
f**k you are talking some shite lad. Its a Carling Cup match go away and talk some sense will ya yo fool.
This game really showed Liverpool's squad players to be very weak. To win the league a team must have 18 or 20 players that a manager would have no problems throwing into an important league game. I don't think Liverpool have enough of these type of players and this will cost tham a league title this year.. 8)
All over 4-2
Pool absolutely woeful first half. No effort. No passion. Nothing. Even the squad players didn't seem interested.
Improved a lot in second half. Won it 2-1 and had the clearest penalty you will see all year not given by Mike Riley who only seems to award penalties at Old Trafford from what I can see.
I have a new found appreciation for Arbeloa and Aurelio because Degen and Dossena are the two worst full-backs to ever pull on a red shirt. I think we overpaid for Degen and we got him on a free.
Anyway that's out of the way now so onto Bolton this weekend.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 12, 2008, 09:43:09 PM
This game really showed Liverpool's squad players to be very weak. To win the league a team must have 18 or 20 players that a manager would have no problems throwing into an important league game. I don't think Liverpool have enough of these type of players and this will cost tham a league title this year.. 8)
Reina
Aurelio
Arbeloa
Hyppia
Agger
Skrtl
Carragher
Alonso
Macherano
Babel
Lucas
Gerrard
Kuyt
Reira
Torres
Keane
El Zhar
Pennant
There is your 18 players wh0o can be thrown in for the big matches - and have been.
Not upset to be out of the carling, but the performance was poor.
Insua should surely be above that muppet in the pecking order.
Ngog got himself in some good positions but his touch was poor.
Poor poor game, some clowns on that pitch tonight.... Gomes, Dossena, Degn, Ngog....the list could go on...
From the guardian:
The left-back Dossena gave what was almost certainly the worst performance in the history of football by anybody who cost more than £4.22.
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
f**k you are talking some shite lad. Its a Carling Cup match go away and talk some sense will ya yo fool.
You would know all about it. You do nothing but it on the Armagh club thread about your beloved club and your inability to question anything regarding any of the O Rourkes.
Face the facts and take off your club coloured glasses an odd time and see things really for how they are.
So by that rationale you must be worried about Uniteds second string after they were unimpressive against QPR,how many of these lads do you expect to make a meaningful contribution?
Wouldn't give a sh1te about losing tonight but the performance of some would be more of a concern. Dossena should never be allowed to wear a Liverpool shirt again. Torres looked very rusty...hope it was a lack of interest as we need him to hit the ground running on Saturday. Only man that did anything for himself was El Zhar, surprised he hasn't made more appearances as he has impressed every time I have seen him. He gave the ball away for one of the goals (can't remember which one I had my head in my hands half the night!), but he showed glimpses of potential.
Don't think I would be calling for Rafa's head all the same. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
f**k you are talking some shite lad. Its a Carling Cup match go away and talk some sense will ya yo fool.
You would know all about it. You do nothing but it on the Armagh club thread about your beloved club and your inability to question anything regarding any of the O Rourkes.
Face the facts and take off your club coloured glasses an odd time and see things really for how they are.
Brilliant reply you shithead. You obviosuly know f**k all about soccer as well as GAA
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
Have to go back to this. So basically you are saying we should not extend Rafa's contratc IN CASE we falter later in the season, stupid logic there.
Then you question the silverware he has won in 4 1/2 years does a European Cup and FA Cup not count?
And as for the Dromintee comment, go away and wise yourself up.
QuoteWon it 2-1 and had the clearest penalty you will see all year not given by Mike Riley
Apart from the fact he got the ball?
ehhhh no he didn't.
Sean Dundee would've looked good in that Liverpool team!
Crocodille Dundee would have looked good tonight.
Quoteehhhh no he didn't.
ehhh watch it again. His toe tips the ball away just before the tumble. A slight touch yes, but a touch nonetheless.
At least thats out of the way..Not bothered one bit about the result
Positives - El Zhar looks like a decent player
Other than that they were all poor,I'm especially concerned about Agger even tonight in a meaningless enough game he looked dodgy,thats a few times this season he has been poor since he has come back
I also thought Babel had no intrest in being on the pitch,I'm still not sure about him
Clear-cut penalty.
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 12, 2008, 10:51:54 PM
Quoteehhhh no he didn't.
ehhh watch it again. His toe tips the ball away just before the tumble
Touching the ball first does not automatically mean its not a foul,It was a bad challenge and should have been a peno,especially as if he did touch the ball it was only the slightest of touches and was not a clean tackle
If Liverpool have serious designs on winning the title this year, going out early in the cups will do them good. They won't go out to lose but maintaining that challenge with Chelsea is paramount. Unfortunately, Benitez's love affair with the Champions League could hinder them. Like Arsenal, Liverpool haven't the squad to seriously compete for both the CL and the title together. I think Benitez should use the CL as a side issue, for bringing some players on and those in need of game time. Pile all his chips into the league. Give Gerrard etc as much rest as possible midweek. He won't do that though. Liverpool's tradition means they demand European success and that could be their downfall again.
Good points O'Neill much better than 'these boys are shite' that some have posted tonight. ::)
I think Rafa will actually rest pol;enty until the knock-out stages of the CL. We are basically through and a draw with Marsaille should suffice.
The Chritsmas period will be crucial and DEC 21 especially.
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 10:17:36 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
f**k you are talking some shite lad. Its a Carling Cup match go away and talk some sense will ya yo fool.
You would know all about it. You do nothing but it on the Armagh club thread about your beloved club and your inability to question anything regarding any of the O Rourkes.
Face the facts and take off your club coloured glasses an odd time and see things really for how they are.
Brilliant reply you shithead. You obviosuly know f**k all about soccer as well as GAA
Jesus settle yourself down you muck savage.
Champions leaague was welcomed but that was almost 4 years ago. Should have kicked on from that and havent. I hope this year is the year, and it could well be.
Rafa obviously feels now is the time as they are sitting pretty in the league to push home the issue of his contract, which he is well entitled to do.
Most supporters seem convinced he is the man. I dont, and cant feel he has no god given right to earn another 4 year contract worth an alleged 20 million at this stage of his Liverpool career unless either a league or champions league is delivered.
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 11:12:28 PM
[Most supporters seem convinced he is the man. I dont
Out of interest, who would you have?
BEAT IN THE CARLING CUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
RAFA OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 12, 2008, 09:43:09 PM
This game really showed Liverpool's squad players to be very weak. To win the league a team must have 18 or 20 players that a manager would have no problems throwing into an important league game. I don't think Liverpool have enough of these type of players and this will cost tham a league title this year.. 8)
Reina
Aurelio
Arbeloa
Hyppia
Agger
Skrtl
Carragher
Alonso
Macherano
Babel
Lucas
Gerrard
Kuyt
Reira
Torres
Keane
El Zhar
Pennant
There is your 18 players wh0o can be thrown in for the big matches - and have been.
Corn, I like most of your posts, you seem very reasoned, but I don't think your could trust a lot of the players you mentioned there!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 13, 2008, 07:58:03 AM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 09:48:16 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 12, 2008, 09:43:09 PM
This game really showed Liverpool's squad players to be very weak. To win the league a team must have 18 or 20 players that a manager would have no problems throwing into an important league game. I don't think Liverpool have enough of these type of players and this will cost tham a league title this year.. 8)
Reina
Aurelio
Arbeloa
Hyppia
Agger
Skrtl
Carragher
Alonso
Macherano
Babel
Lucas
Gerrard
Kuyt
Reira
Torres
Keane
El Zhar
Pennant
There is your 18 players wh0o can be thrown in for the big matches - and have been.
Corn, I like most of your posts, you seem very reasoned, but I don't think your could trust a lot of the players you mentioned there!
not TRUST ? in what way ?
QuoteClear-cut penalty.
Not according to Phil Neal on Sky sports, but sure what would he know compared to the real 'pool fans on the board eh?
Quote from: Abble on November 13, 2008, 08:05:31 AM
not TRUST ? in what way ?
Hyypia - Done!
Pennant - Useless!
Lucas - You serious?
El Zahar - Only seen a bit of him, but i'm glad he's at Liverpool!!
Even
some of the other players should only be squad players, because that's what they would be at Chelsea or UTD.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 13, 2008, 08:30:32 AM
Quote from: Abble on November 13, 2008, 08:05:31 AM
not TRUST ? in what way ?
Hyypia - Done!
Pennant - Useless!
Lucas - You serious?
El Zahar - Only seen a bit of him, but i'm glad he's at Liverpool!!
Even some of the other players should only be squad players, because that's what they would be at Chelsea or UTD.
you originally said a lot of those players, thats not so bad its just the 3 or 4 then ? show me any team that doesnt have 3 or 4 in the above category....apart from utd and chelsea of course
Posted on: November 12, 2008, 10:52:39 PMPosted by: corn02
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Clear-cut penalty.
it wasn't a penalty he hit the ball
Quote from: Over the Bar on November 13, 2008, 08:27:55 AM
QuoteClear-cut penalty.
Not according to Phil Neal on Sky sports, but sure what would he know compared to the real 'pool fans on the board eh?
Ok I counter that with the pundits on five live thought it was, but what would they know compared to a United fan on a board eh?
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 13, 2008, 08:30:32 AM
Quote from: Abble on November 13, 2008, 08:05:31 AM
not TRUST ? in what way ?
Hyypia - Done!
Pennant - Useless!
Lucas - You serious?
El Zahar - Only seen a bit of him, but i'm glad he's at Liverpool!!
Even some of the other players should only be squad players, because that's what they would be at Chelsea or UTD.
Didn't say I'd trust them, just pointing out boys who have played in big fourr, or possibly could - still need strenghtened. I was a bit annoyed last night - clouded judgement.
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 10:17:36 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
f**k you are talking some shite lad. Its a Carling Cup match go away and talk some sense will ya yo fool.
You would know all about it. You do nothing but it on the Armagh club thread about your beloved club and your inability to question anything regarding any of the O Rourkes.
Face the facts and take off your club coloured glasses an odd time and see things really for how they are.
Brilliant reply you shithead. You obviosuly know f**k all about soccer as well as GAA
Jesus settle yourself down you muck savage.
Champions leaague was welcomed but that was almost 4 years ago. Should have kicked on from that and havent. I hope this year is the year, and it could well be.
Rafa obviously feels now is the time as they are sitting pretty in the league to push home the issue of his contract, which he is well entitled to do.
Most supporters seem convinced he is the man. I dont, and cant feel he has no god given right to earn another 4 year contract worth an alleged 20 million at this stage of his Liverpool career unless either a league or champions league is delivered.
Muck Savage, are you not from Cullyhanna/Cullavilled direction?
You talk about pushing on, we got to the final the next year and the semi two years later, we are well on course for the knockouts this year.
League placings obviously not good enough, but we are joint top in mid-November, a lot better than the last 10 years. Possibly you overreacted to a pointless Carling Cup tie?
Still didn't like the Dromintee jibe! ;)
Quote from: gawa316 on November 12, 2008, 11:22:36 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 11:12:28 PM
[Most supporters seem convinced he is the man. I dont
Out of interest, who would you have?
Martin O Neill or Corn02!!
its brilliant to see liverpool get beat no matter what competition
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 09:19:39 AM
its brilliant to see liverpool get beat no matter what competition
Waster.
Quote from: corn02 on November 13, 2008, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 11:12:28 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 10:17:36 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 12, 2008, 09:40:34 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 12, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
Basically yes!! When did Liverpool start celebrating second place and runners up medals??
My feeling is that after 4 1/2 years with 3rd place his highest finish, this is the year to deliver. Sitting pretty in November is positive, but its a long season and some of these second string arent up to it and hopefully arent gonna be relied upon to sustain a title challenge.
f**k you are talking some shite lad. Its a Carling Cup match go away and talk some sense will ya yo fool.
You would know all about it. You do nothing but it on the Armagh club thread about your beloved club and your inability to question anything regarding any of the O Rourkes.
Face the facts and take off your club coloured glasses an odd time and see things really for how they are.
Brilliant reply you shithead. You obviosuly know f**k all about soccer as well as GAA
Jesus settle yourself down you muck savage.
Champions leaague was welcomed but that was almost 4 years ago. Should have kicked on from that and havent. I hope this year is the year, and it could well be.
Rafa obviously feels now is the time as they are sitting pretty in the league to push home the issue of his contract, which he is well entitled to do.
Most supporters seem convinced he is the man. I dont, and cant feel he has no god given right to earn another 4 year contract worth an alleged 20 million at this stage of his Liverpool career unless either a league or champions league is delivered.
Muck Savage, are you not from Cullyhanna/Cullavilled direction?
You talk about pushing on, we got to the final the next year and the semi two years later, we are well on course for the knockouts this year.
League placings obviously not good enough, but we are joint top in mid-November, a lot better than the last 10 years. Possibly you overreacted to a pointless Carling Cup tie?
Still didn't like the Dromintee jibe! ;)
Ok Corn Ill let it lie. We obviously differ on how we see the season panning out or the direction of the club.
It wasnt so much the result that pissed me off. Its the thought of some of the players that may be needed in big games just dont seem to be up to it. Again ill be happy if im proved wrong.
Dromintee remark was uncalled for!! Lets be friends ;D
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 09:19:39 AM
its brilliant to see liverpool get beat no matter what competition
yep, i agree with that, great to see ;D ;D
Jaysus lads, how bad is that Dossena lad?
Some of the players on the scousers arent fit to wear the jersey
In all honesty, the scousers just dont have the depth to challenge for a title over the course of a season IMHO
£7 MILLION! :o
liverpool spend too much money on players anyway. £20 Million on Keane
A bad result, but actually not a catastrophe. It would have been nice to get a run in the Carling Cup and blood some players, but that has been Arsenal's policy of the last number of years and it is not really making any difference to their title challenge. It highlights the deficiencies in the squad at its harshest, but lets be fair to the players. The back 5 had never played before as a unit. The midfield was pieced together. It is not like he is putting out the reserve team who have had games together.
If they realistically want to bring players on in the club, Gary Ablett's team should be put out in this competition. They have a unity in their play and would cause an upset. You could then judge if any of them have what it takes to make the step up.
The like's of Degen and to a lesser extent Dossena will fill in for games at a time, but with 3 regulars beside them and they should in theory look more comfortable. In theory!!
Quote from: full back on November 13, 2008, 09:27:11 AM
Jaysus lads, how bad is that Dossena lad?
Some of the players on the scousers arent fit to wear the jersey
In all honesty, the scousers just dont have the depth to challenge for a title over the course of a season IMHO
Thats more or less what I said but 18 players were quoted that apparently can win the league but I suppose only time will tell. ;)
Quoteand to a lesser extent Dossena will fill in for games at a time
Id rather give Insua some time, but at what we paid for Dossena Id say thats unlikely
Quote from: EC Unique on November 13, 2008, 09:43:02 AM
Quote from: full back on November 13, 2008, 09:27:11 AM
Jaysus lads, how bad is that Dossena lad?
Some of the players on the scousers arent fit to wear the jersey
In all honesty, the scousers just dont have the depth to challenge for a title over the course of a season IMHO
Thats more or less what I said but 18 players were quoted that apparently can win the league but I suppose only time will tell. ;)
Ahh now, I didn't say win the league, I said we have 18 players that could be thrown into big games.
YesIwould -only if you pick me over O'Neil for the post.
Quote from: nifan on November 13, 2008, 09:46:07 AM
Quoteand to a lesser extent Dossena will fill in for games at a time
Id rather give Insua some time, but at what we paid for Dossena Id say thats unlikely
I agree completely, but Dosenna has shown some level of ability, he just seems like he is finding it hard to fit in, and also looks very unfit.
QuoteOk I counter that with the pundits on five live thought it was, but what would they know compared to a United fan on a board eh?
So you didn't actually watch the game then yet swear it was a stone-wall penalty from the radio commentary?
Classic! :D
I watched the game, someone who listened on five live told me they said it was a penalty.
Also so did the Guardian report and many more media reports.. I'll take their word over yoursand Phil Neal.
Quote from: corn02 on November 13, 2008, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 13, 2008, 09:43:02 AM
Quote from: full back on November 13, 2008, 09:27:11 AM
Jaysus lads, how bad is that Dossena lad?
Some of the players on the scousers arent fit to wear the jersey
In all honesty, the scousers just dont have the depth to challenge for a title over the course of a season IMHO
Thats more or less what I said but 18 players were quoted that apparently can win the league but I suppose only time will tell. ;)
Ahh now, I didn't say win the league, I said we have 18 players that could be thrown into big games.
YesIwould -only if you pick me over O'Neil for the post.
Sorry corn I picked you up wrong. Do you not think Liverpool will win the League this year? You have to be optimistic..
Honestly? I don't. I think we have a good chance but we are still going to come up a cropper against small teams i.e this Saturday.
I do think we can challkeneg and nick second. I think of the four different Premiership winners, three came second the year before they won it. Obviosuly the first year would be the first division as the previous year.
I think Chelsea are looking superb, but United are the only team capable of putting a run of wins that stretches into two figures.
From what I saw it wasn't a penalty. Defender got a slight touch so he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
O'Neill's post was the most accurate thing put on this thread in a while. If Liverpool had got beaten by Athletico and managed to get eliminated it would be a huge boost to their Premier League hopes.
Also - I hope I didn't see some personal abuse there. People could get reported for that sort of thing.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 13, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
From what I saw it wasn't a penalty. Defender got a slight touch so he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
Wow there's a surprise ::) I must remember that quote the next time Rooney is upended in the box and you come on complaining it should have been a penalty
it dosent make a difference liverpool are out. Theres always something to complain about when yous get beat. Blame the manager he put out a team that wasn't good enough, not the referee for not giving a penalty. Even though he got the ball
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 11:32:55 AM
it dosent make a difference liverpool are out. Theres always something to complain about when yous get beat. Blame the manager he put out a team that wasn't good enough, not the referee for not giving a penalty. Even though he got the ball
o......k
What personal abuse Seanie, me and YesIWould?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 11:32:55 AM
it dosent make a difference liverpool are out. Theres always something to complain about when yous get beat. Blame the manager he put out a team that wasn't good enough, not the referee for not giving a penalty. Even though he got the ball
And 99.9% of Liverpool fans don't give a toss that Liverpool are out of the Carling Cup..I think Rafa showed how much he cared for the competition by taking Torres off after 50mins
It was 4-1 when he came off. Rafa knew they were beat so he took him off to rest for sat. i bet if they were in the game he would have stayed on
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 11:42:50 AM
It was 4-1 when he came off. Rafa knew they were beat so he took him off to rest for sat. i bet if they were in the game he would have stayed on
I bet if it was a Premier League game he would have stayed on
Quote from: corn02 on November 13, 2008, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 11:32:55 AM
it dosent make a difference liverpool are out. Theres always something to complain about when yous get beat. Blame the manager he put out a team that wasn't good enough, not the referee for not giving a penalty. Even though he got the ball
o......k
What personal abuse Seanie, me and YesIWould?
No.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 13, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
From what I saw it wasn't a penalty. Defender got a slight touch so he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
O'Neill's post was the most accurate thing put on this thread in a while. If Liverpool had got beaten by Athletico and managed to get eliminated it would be a huge boost to their Premier League hopes.
Also - I hope I didn't see some personal abuse there. People could get reported for that sort of thing.
Surely only the people offended would report. No offence taken by moi, and ive kind of apologised to Corn02.
We have agreed to disagree!!
Onwards and upwards. 3 points at weekend a must!!
And I kind of apologised to yesiwould in a stubborn way. ;) Even though Seanie was not refering to us.
AnPort, you seem to be taking a lot of joy in this defeat. Save yourself for Saturday when there is a great chance we will be beat in a meaningful match. Put it this way, were you gutted after Coventry last year?
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 13, 2008, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: corn02 on November 13, 2008, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 11:32:55 AM
it dosent make a difference liverpool are out. Theres always something to complain about when yous get beat. Blame the manager he put out a team that wasn't good enough, not the referee for not giving a penalty. Even though he got the ball
o......k
What personal abuse Seanie, me and YesIWould?
No.
LOL :D magpie seanie the International man of mystery
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m266/laoislad/austin_powers_front.jpg)
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 13, 2008, 09:40:53 AM
If they realistically want to bring players on in the club, Gary Ablett's team should be put out in this competition. They have a unity in their play and would cause an upset. You could then judge if any of them have what it takes to make the step up.
Yeah I would prefer it if he played the actual kids in the Carling Cup rather than fringe squad players who don't look interested. The reserves won their league last season so I'd prefer to see the likes of Nemeth, Dani Pacecho, Insua, Huth, Bruna, etc playing in the Carling Cup.
yes corn i was gutted about coventry and crewe the year before. its just good to see liverpool get beat twice in 10 days at White Heart Lane
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 11:59:10 AM
yes corn i was gutted about coventry and crewe the year before.
I really doubt you were.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 13, 2008, 11:32:55 AM
it dosent make a difference liverpool are out. Theres always something to complain about when yous get beat. Blame the manager he put out a team that wasn't good enough, not the referee for not giving a penalty. Even though he got the ball
Of course fans of other clubs don't complain about those things.
Paddy Power have Bolton at 5-1 on Saturday. Serious price for a mid table team playing at home :o
Quote from: EC Unique on November 14, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Paddy Power have Bolton at 5-1 on Saturday. Serious price for a mid table team playing at home :o
Lump on then young man.
Quote from: EC Unique on November 14, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Paddy Power have Bolton at 5-1 on Saturday. Serious price for a mid table team playing at home :o
Jesus, agreed.
Quote from: corn02 on November 14, 2008, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on November 14, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
Paddy Power have Bolton at 5-1 on Saturday. Serious price for a mid table team playing at home :o
Jesus, agreed.
Good job you put a comma in there :D :D
:) I was diligent about it. Jesus is on our side.
Is he another Spaniard signed by the fat waiter?
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2008, 11:57:02 AM
Is he another Spaniard signed by the fat waiter?
Boom boom!
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2008, 11:57:02 AM
Is he another Spaniard signed by the fat waiter?
Fat waiter Seanie - where do you get your material??? You should be up on stage somewhere
Rafa has been named Manager of the month for October... :)
Not bad going for a fat waiter ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 14, 2008, 04:19:54 PM
Rafa has been named Manager of the month for October... :)
Not bad going for a fat waiter ;)
Usually the kiss of death for November though, typically Liverpools worst month of any season....well that & August through to May for the last 19 years....
Yeah not happy - its brings bad luck.
When is the last time a Liverpool manager got that award?
Rafa has got it several times, as did GH.
Phil Thompson also got it.
Quote from: nifan on November 14, 2008, 04:55:33 PM
Rafa has got it several times, as did GH.
Phil Thompson also got it.
Thompson the tit got one? (Not so much of a tit now, but never like dhim after the Fowler affair.)
He got 2 actually - one joint with GH
Quote from: nifan on November 14, 2008, 04:55:33 PM
Rafa has got it several times, as did GH.
Phil Thompson also got it.
Must be handy enough got then :D :D
3 poins required 2mara lads! torrres looked bit rusty as you would expect during the week so bearing in mind robbie was rested during theweek i can see him and the labrador up top.would imagine alonso,masch,stevy riera all start as well.dagger and carra in the centre and 2 of a bad bunch as full backs hopefully aurelio over dossena. be good have pepe back in goal. expect us to get the three points we just have ensure we up for it as much as them as we know what we going get and they will be buoyed by win at hull
yep, 3 points a must tomorrow. and with arbeloa suspended & degen injured, our problems in the full back positions get even worse - and i didnt think that could be possible.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on November 14, 2008, 06:00:07 PM
3 poins required 2mara lads! torrres looked bit rusty as you would expect during the week so bearing in mind robbie was rested during theweek i can see him and the labrador up top.would imagine alonso,masch,stevy riera all start as well.dagger and carra in the centre and 2 of a bad bunch as full backs hopefully aurelio over dossena. be good have pepe back in goal. expect us to get the three points we just have ensure we up for it as much as them as we know what we going get and they will be buoyed by win at hull
Jasus, in a bad performance during the week Dossena had a particularly bad game. I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't stinking up the joint so much. Hope the side is much as outlined there, actually like Aurelio at left back, and after seeing Degen (granted first viewing) Arbeloa is the only man for the job. Rafa needs to do something in those positions in January (a right winger to match Riera would be nice too!)
Quote from: stevo-08 on November 14, 2008, 06:05:21 PM
yep, 3 points a must tomorrow. and with arbeloa suspended & degen injured, our problems in the full back positions get even worse - and i didnt think that could be possible.
Jasus, didn't realise Arbeloa was unavailable too...what's the solution there, Spearing? Should have never moved Finan on, still better than anything currently in the squad.
Quote from: Mentalman on November 14, 2008, 06:07:11 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on November 14, 2008, 06:05:21 PM
yep, 3 points a must tomorrow. and with arbeloa suspended & degen injured, our problems in the full back positions get even worse - and i didnt think that could be possible.
Jasus, didn't realise Arbeloa was unavailable too...what's the solution there, Spearing? Should have never moved Finan on, still better than anything currently in the squad.
I agree, it was a very bad mistake to sell Finnan....Far better than any of the other stooges...
could see carra shifted across to be honest sami in middle with dagger.sami could prove especially useful as bolton wont be blessed with tpace of anelka/diouf of previous seasons and alot of ball will be aimed at davies in the air imo!!
Spearing is a centre midfielder so won't be him. The only choices we have are to bring young Darby in at rb or moving Carra out there with Sami in the centre. I'd go for the second option due to Bolton's aerial threat
ll or anyone else know how stevy getting on in spain??think heard hasinjured no sky at home so dont be that up to date with la liga to be honest
Quote from: charlie stubbs on November 14, 2008, 06:12:07 PM
could see carra shifted across to be honest sami in middle with dagger.sami could prove especially useful as bolton wont be blessed with tpace of anelka/diouf of previous seasons and alot of ball will be aimed at davies in the air imo!!
Good thinking Batman! Although Sammi didn't exactly cover himself in glory during the week you'd imagine he'd up his game for a real competitive match...still a legend.
Quote from: gawa316 on November 14, 2008, 06:13:41 PM
Spearing is a centre midfielder so won't be him. The only choices we have are to bring young Darby in at rb or moving Carra out there with Sami in the centre. I'd go for the second option due to Bolton's aerial threat
Meant Darby, always mixing them up. He came on the other night didn't he? Don't really recall him being invloved much though.
Quote from: charlie stubbs on November 14, 2008, 06:14:05 PM
ll or anyone else know how stevy getting on in spain??think heard hasinjured no sky at home so dont be that up to date with la liga to be honest
I'm not a huge fan of La Liga apart from watching some of the big derby's but from what I know he got injured in his first or second game,hamstring I think
Quote from: charlie stubbs on November 14, 2008, 06:14:05 PM
ll or anyone else know how stevy getting on in spain??think heard hasinjured no sky at home so dont be that up to date with la liga to be honest
Was working on his fitness but got injured on his debut against Villareal after looking lively. Still out of action, but closer to fitness, but as he hasn't played with his club I don't think he was allowed/required to meet up with the Irish for the Poland game.
Quote from: Mentalman on November 14, 2008, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 14, 2008, 06:13:41 PM
Spearing is a centre midfielder so won't be him. The only choices we have are to bring young Darby in at rb or moving Carra out there with Sami in the centre. I'd go for the second option due to Bolton's aerial threat
Meant Darby, always mixing them up. He came on the other night didn't he? Don't really recall him being invloved much though.
Yeah he came on the other night. Blonde haired scouse lad. He was the captain of the reserves in last years winning team. Don't know if he'll ever make the grade with us
I think he might well play Insua tomorrow,I can't see him moving Carra out wide.
Insua is a left back but I'm sure he could slot in at right back or else move Aurelio across..
word is that Stephen Darby might start at right back. :o :o
Looked ok in pre-season, but thats a far cry from starting a PL game.
Quote from: stevo-08 on November 14, 2008, 06:30:39 PM
word is that Stephen Darby might start at right back. :o :o
Looked ok in pre-season, but thats a far cry from starting a PL game.
Intersting. Obviously doesn't want to disturb his central partnership, with Agger only really getting back into it too, partnering him with an unmatch fit Hyppia might not be great. Who do bolton have on the left? Taylor? Big banger from distance but not likely to get in behind a right back.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 14, 2008, 06:28:17 PM
I think he might well play Insua tomorrow,I can't see him moving Carra out wide.
Insua is a left back but I'm sure he could slot in at right back or else move Aurelio across..
I'd rather have Carra at right back than either of those left footed players
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 14, 2008, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 14, 2008, 06:28:17 PM
I think he might well play Insua tomorrow,I can't see him moving Carra out wide.
Insua is a left back but I'm sure he could slot in at right back or else move Aurelio across..
I'd rather have Carra at right back than either of those left footed players
I just think Carra is a bit slow for right back tis all,and really it shouldn't be a huge job for a Pro player to play on the other wing whatever foot they use,I played left back all my life and I'm right footed so if I can do it so can they :D..though in saying that I wouldn't have any fear of Carra playing right back either,you could put that man anywhere on the pitch and he would give it 100%
http://www.justin.tv/noikz2
link 4 game
http://sportsonlaptops.blogspot.com/...maybe a better one???
What the f**k was Keane playing at?
Goog man Dirk.
Keane - how did he miss that!
Fine header by Kuyt for the goal.
Awful, awful miss by Keane.
That feed that newdevil adds is prob the best feed Ive had yet.
Yea its the best ive come across NT....Kuyts really fucked my bets up >:( >:(
Very lucky. Thanks Rob Styles. Good referring
Ohhh... Styles disallows Bolton goal. Very harsh. More a pen to Bolton as opposed to a free out.
Quote from: new devil on November 15, 2008, 12:54:47 PM
http://sportsonlaptops.blogspot.com/...maybe a better one???
Doesn't work for me. Do you need some type of specific software? Can't get a stream anywhere :'(
I believe Rob Styles was confused by the red shirts and thought Liverpool were actually Man Utd
Robbie Keane: less finger wagging and more goals please.
How were we lucky there, Reina got fouled. Davies stuck his leg out to stop him initially then had a hold of him too.
Gerrard. 2-0.
Some cross from Torres
Torres had just missed a sitter. Gerrard and Keane have also missed sitters today
And Lucas missses another sitter.
Good result. But we need to be more clinical in front of goal.
Should have won by at least another 2 or 3.
What a weird game. Could have finished 6-3 to Liverpool.
Keane, Gerrard, Torres and Lucas all miss good chances. Gardiner missed two for Bolton.
3 more points away from home in the sort of game Liverpool would easily have drawn in in previous seasons. Clean sheets are great but they need to start being more clinical in front of goal. If you told me at the start of the year that Kuyt would be our top scorer at this stage I would have laughed at you, but he is paying his way now, it only took him 2 1/2 years!
Who is laughing at Kuyt now?
Super defence today on the whole I thought. Won so many 2nd balls around our area and stopped them getting shots in. Keane needs to catch a grip of himself, wagging and huffing. Nando made some difference when he came on despite missing his two chances. 10x the threat of Robbie.
Agree with Stalin,maybe he should have stuck that chance in the first half in and he would be feeling better about himself,win else did he think was going to male way for Torres? If he continues with the huffing he will spend a prolonged spell on the bench. I would have to say the wastefulness would have been punished against a better team. Some of the finishing was atrocious.
You beat a middle table team away from home 2-0 and you are complaining??? Hard bunch to please :D
EC if you see the misses you will understand.
Good result. For the old clich, it was a banana skin. Good aul Kuyt - my faith is being rewarded, he still needs to retain possession more, when he hit the bar I thought it was going to be one of those days.
Good to see the manager of the month award curse didnt strike again.
The labrador is coming of age this season, player of the first 3 months for sure.
Torres showed his class for the 2nd goal, another few games and he will be back to his best.
Alonso best player on show! Again!
hopefully Carragher will not have to play too many games at full back
Quote from: Minder on November 15, 2008, 05:51:14 PM
hopefully Carragher will not have to play too many games at full back
Hopefully we can sign a decent one in January
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 15, 2008, 06:20:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 15, 2008, 05:51:14 PM
hopefully Carragher will not have to play too many games at full back
Hopefully we can sign a decent one in January
Any suggestions?
But seeing as Im busy and wouldn't have time to play how about Micah Richards? Would City sell?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 15, 2008, 06:26:38 PM
But seeing as Im busy and wouldn't have time to play how about Micah Richards? Would City sell?
Couldnt see them wanting to sell Richards, or indeed Richards looking to leave.
Hopefully Real Madrid continue their current slump and Sergio Ramos is available in January.
However if this were the case, id imagine there would be a queue of teams lined up for his signature.
Quote from: Minder on November 15, 2008, 05:51:14 PM
hopefully Carragher will not have to play too many games at full back
Why would he? Is Arbeloa not back next game?
Watched this one and overall Liverpool well deserved it. Of course Styles ballsed up with disallowing the Bolton goal just before half time (was either a penalty or a goal in my book) but as I've always said these things even themselves out over a season and to be honest I think Liverpool would have won anyway. If the goal was allowed it would only have made it more interesting. Liverpool played with great confidence today. Kuyt to be fair was excellent again. Keane, though not really a good player, believes he is class and keeps going even when he makes fuckups like the crazy miss today. He works fairly hard for Liverpool but that chance showed that he is not a natural goalscorer.
Liverpool have several wins in the bag already this year that they would have drawn/lost previously. They have a shallower squad that United or Chelsea which you would expect might bite them later in the year but it just mightn't either. They'll need luck with injuries but for the first time in ages I would concede they possibly have a chance.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2008, 07:23:57 PM
Watched this one and overall Liverpool well deserved it. Of course Styles ballsed up with disallowing the Bolton goal just before half time (was either a penalty or a goal in my book) but as I've always said these things even themselves out over a season and to be honest I think Liverpool would have won anyway. If the goal was allowed it would only have made it more interesting. Liverpool played with great confidence today. Kuyt to be fair was excellent again. Keane, though not really a good player, believes he is class and keeps going even when he makes fuckups like the crazy miss today. He works fairly hard for Liverpool but that chance showed that he is not a natural goalscorer.
Liverpool have several wins in the bag already this year that they would have drawn/lost previously. They have a shallower squad that United or Chelsea which you would expect might bite them later in the year but it just mightn't either. They'll need luck with injuries but for the first time in ages I would concede they possibly have a chance.
Not a natural goal scorer,oh jesus give me strength ::)
Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2008, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 15, 2008, 05:51:14 PM
hopefully Carragher will not have to play too many games at full back
Why would he? Is Arbeloa not back next game?
Players can get injured i believe, Carra is too slow for rb and his distribution can be sketchy too,he must have put about five out of play today under little pressure.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2008, 07:23:57 PM
Watched this one and overall Liverpool well deserved it. Of course Styles ballsed up with disallowing the Bolton goal just before half time (was either a penalty or a goal in my book) but as I've always said these things even themselves out over a season and to be honest I think Liverpool would have won anyway. If the goal was allowed it would only have made it more interesting. Liverpool played with great confidence today. Kuyt to be fair was excellent again. Keane, though not really a good player, believes he is class and keeps going even when he makes fuckups like the crazy miss today. He works fairly hard for Liverpool but that chance showed that he is not a natural goalscorer.
Liverpool have several wins in the bag already this year that they would have drawn/lost previously. They have a shallower squad that United or Chelsea which you would expect might bite them later in the year but it just mightn't either. They'll need luck with injuries but for the first time in ages I would concede they possibly have a chance.
would agree with that. they've definitely the best chance ever of challenging for the PL. But as you say dont have the squad that united/chelsea have, so cant afford any more injuries. And with injuries to torres, skrtel & gerrard so far this season, hopefully we'll get a better run of luck there.
on todays game, great to get the 3 points and fully deserved. Gerrard, Torres & Kuyt could all have scored 2 apiece and with Keane & Lucas missing sitters, it could have ended up 8-3!!! Anyway on the positive side, at least we are playing fairly well and making chances, which is different to last few seasons.
The next couple of weeks are crucial to the title race IMO. United have played their 3 toughest games and are still only 5 points behind the leaders (assuming they win game in hand). They go away to villa next week and then travel to city - 6 points there will set them up nicely for a title charge in 2nd half of the season. We really need them to drop more points...
Quote from: Minder on November 15, 2008, 07:51:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 15, 2008, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 15, 2008, 05:51:14 PM
hopefully Carragher will not have to play too many games at full back
Why would he? Is Arbeloa not back next game?
Players can get injured i believe, Carra is too slow for rb and his distribution can be sketchy too,he must have put about five out of play today under little pressure.
They just bought Degen. He's been injured for almost the entire time so far, fair enough, but give him a chance. I'd say there is zero chance of the Americans allowing Rafa to buy another full-back in January. In fact, I'm not sure where Rafa is going to strengthen, unless he sells one or two as well.
By the way folks I wish to apologise for my comments about Scott Carson's assist last week. Latest eveidence would suggest that he is just completely shit.
What about Benitez' comments today re Torres? Do you think he is trying to motivate him, or take the sting out of fan reaction if the January transfer rumours are true?
Benitez said that Torres is not guaranteed a place in the side; he has to fight for it. That's controversial stuff... ::)
As for "January transfer rumours"... get a grip!
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 16, 2008, 12:26:24 AM
By the way folks I wish to apologise for my comments about Scott Carson's assist last week. Latest eveidence would suggest that he is just completely shit.
:D
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
What about Benitez' comments today re Torres? Do you think he is trying to motivate him, or take the sting out of fan reaction if the January transfer rumours are true?
Shit stirrer. Near had a heart attack until I read the comments. ;)
Quote from: J70 on November 16, 2008, 04:54:48 PM
Benitez said that Torres is not guaranteed a place in the side; he has to fight for it. That's controversial stuff... ::)
As for "January transfer rumours"... get a grip!
FFS J70 wind your neck in. It was a serious question that I posed to get an opinion from those more knowledgable than myself. In the quote that I seen (Perhaps it was edited) Benitez appeared to be critical of Torres, something which he has not done before.
I was listening to R5 last week and some sporting economist reckons that Liverpool are finding the squeeze more than any other club, and the WILL have to sell some of their prized assets in January.
Perhaps I am putting two and two together but if so it wasn't, at least on this occasion, a wind up.
Benetiz would be hanged from Shankley Gates if he were any part of Torres be sold and he knows that. I think it is a subtle confidence booster to an obviously struggling Keane by suggesting this after starting Keane in front of him yesterday. In regards to the squeeze I am sure that it is true that Liverpool are struggling more than most but I think that the Yanks will sell before the end of the season.
Andy Hunter
The Guardian, Wednesday November 12 2008
Fernando Torres has said he has no intention of leaving Liverpool for Chelsea or any other European club as the Spain international prepares to return to Rafael Benítez's starting line-up at Tottenham Hotspur tonight.
The £26.5m record signing is scheduled to make his first start since October 5 in the Carling Cup fourth-round tie, and announced his recovery from a hamstring tear yesterday by reaffirming his commitment to Anfield. Torres was a supposed target for Luiz Felipe Scolari when the Brazilian first arrived at Stamford Bridge, although no contact was ever made with Liverpool over the player who has become one of the most coveted in the game.
However, the 24-year-old, who signed a six-year contract when he joined Liverpool from Atlético Madrid last year, said: "I have no plans to go anywhere, not back to Spain, not to Italy, not to another English club. I read a lot of things [about Chelsea in the summer] but I was at the European Championships and I did not want any distractions. I don't know if they spoke with the club or with my agent. But in any case even if there was something in it nothing was ever going to make me abandon Liverpool."
Torres hailed the Liverpool manager, Benítez, as "the best coach I have ever had without doubt" and admitted the priority at Anfield this season has to be winning the league title. He added: "When I arrived at Liverpool, everyone talked about the league. We have won it 19 times and Manchester United 18. If they win it this season then they draw level and the fans don't want that. I think 90% of Liverpool fans would prefer the league."
QuoteWe have won it 19 times and Manchester United 18.
close but no cigar nando
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2008, 09:29:25 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 16, 2008, 04:54:48 PM
Benitez said that Torres is not guaranteed a place in the side; he has to fight for it. That's controversial stuff... ::)
As for "January transfer rumours"... get a grip!
FFS J70 wind your neck in. It was a serious question that I posed to get an opinion from those more knowledgable than myself. In the quote that I seen (Perhaps it was edited) Benitez appeared to be critical of Torres, something which he has not done before.
I was listening to R5 last week and some sporting economist reckons that Liverpool are finding the squeeze more than any other club, and the WILL have to sell some of their prized assets in January.
Perhaps I am putting two and two together but if so it wasn't, at least on this occasion, a wind up.
LOL, I have no idea what "wind your neck in" means, but you're obviously not happy, so I apologize. I assumed you were just looking to get a rise.
Liverpool will let some of the dead wood like Pennant and so on go before they start looking to offload the likes of Torres or Gerrard. That is not going to happen. They might have to go with a thinner squad and promote some of the youngsters though.
Quote from: J70 on November 16, 2008, 11:25:07 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2008, 09:29:25 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 16, 2008, 04:54:48 PM
Benitez said that Torres is not guaranteed a place in the side; he has to fight for it. That's controversial stuff... ::)
As for "January transfer rumours"... get a grip!
FFS J70 wind your neck in. It was a serious question that I posed to get an opinion from those more knowledgable than myself. In the quote that I seen (Perhaps it was edited) Benitez appeared to be critical of Torres, something which he has not done before.
I was listening to R5 last week and some sporting economist reckons that Liverpool are finding the squeeze more than any other club, and the WILL have to sell some of their prized assets in January.
Perhaps I am putting two and two together but if so it wasn't, at least on this occasion, a wind up.
LOL, I have no idea what "wind your neck in" means, but you're obviously not happy, so I apologize. I assumed you were just looking to get a rise.
Liverpool will let some of the dead wood like Pennant and so on go before they start looking to offload the likes of Torres or Gerrard. That is not going to happen. They might have to go with a thinner squad and promote some of the youngsters though.
Not happy? Just checked the league table... I'm happy. For now. At least. ;)
QuoteWe have won it 19 times and Manchester United 18
So all the banners at Anfield with "18" printed on them are in recognition of ManU's achievements? That's very neighbourly!
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Parry favours Reds over FA post
Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry is staying at Anfield - after being linked with a similar post with the Football Association's 2018 World Cup bid.
BBC Sport understands Parry has decided to remain at Anfield, despite being the top contender from a five-man shortlist for the job.
Parry's future at Liverpool has been in question after co-owner Tom Hicks called for his resignation in April.
But Parry insisted then his main focus was on remaining loyal to Liverpool.
And it appears that remains the case, despite the FA's hopes of persuading him to leave Anfield and play a major role in the 2018 World Cup bid.
Liverpool's other American owner, George Gillett, staunchly backed Parry when Hicks called for his removal.
And as Liverpool moved to present a united front amid off-the-field uncertainty, Parry also held talks with manager Rafael Benitez after the manager expressed frustration over the failure to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa in the summer.
Liverpool have enjoyed an outstanding start to the season, lying second behind Chelsea in the Premier League, and Parry's desire to stay at Anfield is a clear sign of an attempt to provide continuity and stability as takeover talk continues to surround Hicks and Gillett.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7733163.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7733163.stm)
balls
Liverpool's best signing over this last 10 years!
It says a lot when even Anfield seems a better place than heading an England WC bid! :P
I just ordered this for 25 quid
(http://i34.tinypic.com/21eylqa.jpg)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2008, 10:07:41 PM
I just ordered this for 25 quid
(http://i34.tinypic.com/21eylqa.jpg)
Euro or sterling? And where?
sterling.
The Canadian Adidas Online shop are having a 40% off sale ending tonight 8)
Do they ship to the motherland?
http://www.shopadidas.ca/helpOrderingPage.jsp.vr
QuoteDo you ship to international or FPO/APO addresses?
We're sorry, but we can't ship to international or APO/FPO addresses at this time. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
Has anyone bought any jerseys off that site that was on a thread last week?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 10:28:16 PM
Has anyone bought any jerseys off that site that was on a thread last week?
Was the site www.bestway4you.com?
Quote from: gawa316 on November 19, 2008, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 10:28:16 PM
Has anyone bought any jerseys off that site that was on a thread last week?
Was the site www.bestway4you.com?
It and thefootballshirt.com
Quote from: gawa316 on November 19, 2008, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 19, 2008, 10:28:16 PM
Has anyone bought any jerseys off that site that was on a thread last week?
Was the site www.bestway4you.com?
Are they real?
they are fakes - very high quailty fakes, but fakes nonetheless
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2008, 12:16:44 AM
they are fakes - very high quailty fakes, but fakes nonetheless
Jeez didn't know that. It's feckin hard to tell the difference then. i checked it with my brothers (real) top with it and they're exactly the same
i was thinkn about orderin one for xmas(off thefootballshirt.com), do they take long delivering?
Yossi hints at Anfield departure
Out-of-favour Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun has stated that he is prepared to leave Anfield in order to find regular first-team football.
Benayoun has had a frustrating time this season and has had to make do with a place on the bench, starting just two of the last 10 games.
The Israeli signed from West Ham in the summer of 2007 and recorded an impressive 11 goals and 10 assists in his first season at the club.
The midfielder is currently away on international duty, where he is preparing to face the Ivory Coast, but he admits he has thought about a move away from Anfield.
He told The Sun: "The fact that I'm not involved and always come on as a sub tells you something. Even if it's Liverpool, if I don't get to play in the next few months I will not want to be here.
"I enjoy my time in England but maybe it is time to learn a new language, maybe Italian, French or Russian.
"When I came here it wasn't so I could tell everyone, 'Hey I play for Liverpool'.
"My purpose was to prove myself, and in the first year I think I did. I understand that I am at one of the biggest clubs in the world and that this year there are better players."
One of Benayoun's rare starts came in the 2-1 win over rivals Manchester United at Anfield but the 28-year-old found himself back on the bench for the following game.
"After our win over Manchester United I lost my place. Everyone wants to play and it is no fun sitting on the bench or playing just a few minutes.
"I'm part of the rotation but I hope in the next few months it will change."
I would play Benayoun more often.......If he was any good.
I see Torres got on the scoresheet for spain last night in their 3 nil win over chile. The run out will have done him no harm at all.
Also, there were 5 Liverpool players on the spanish team at 1 stage of the game!!
Quote from: Hank Everlast on November 20, 2008, 09:04:16 AM
Yossi hints at Anfield departure
Out-of-favour Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun has stated that he is prepared to leave Anfield in order to find regular first-team football.
Benayoun has had a frustrating time this season and has had to make do with a place on the bench, starting just two of the last 10 games.
The Israeli signed from West Ham in the summer of 2007 and recorded an impressive 11 goals and 10 assists in his first season at the club.
The midfielder is currently away on international duty, where he is preparing to face the Ivory Coast, but he admits he has thought about a move away from Anfield.
He told The Sun: "The fact that I'm not involved and always come on as a sub tells you something. Even if it's Liverpool, if I don't get to play in the next few months I will not want to be here.
"I enjoy my time in England but maybe it is time to learn a new language, maybe Italian, French or Russian.
"When I came here it wasn't so I could tell everyone, 'Hey I play for Liverpool'.
"My purpose was to prove myself, and in the first year I think I did. I understand that I am at one of the biggest clubs in the world and that this year there are better players."
One of Benayoun's rare starts came in the 2-1 win over rivals Manchester United at Anfield but the 28-year-old found himself back on the bench for the following game.
"After our win over Manchester United I lost my place. Everyone wants to play and it is no fun sitting on the bench or playing just a few minutes.
"I'm part of the rotation but I hope in the next few months it will change."
I doubt any liverpool player would give an interview to the scum.
Sounds a bit like Crouch last year. Fcuk him away back to the Hammers, as Minder says he would play more if he was any good >:(
Quote from: stiffler on November 20, 2008, 09:18:50 AM
I see Torres got on the scoresheet for spain last night in their 3 nil win over chile. The run out will have done him no harm at all.
Also, there were 5 Liverpool players on the spanish team at 1 stage of the game!!
Yep, just glad no injuries were picked up. now hopefully we'll see a much sharper torres on saturday. with gerrard probably a non-starter, it's a chance to play 4-4-2 with keane & torres leading the attack. I think robbie will always struggle when playing upfront on his own - would like to see himself & torres get a chance to form a decent partnership.
Unfortunately the problem for robbie is that Rafa will always prefer to play gerrard in a supporting striker role with Alonso & Masch holding the middle. However, there should be some games particularly at home, when Rafa should try a more attacking 4-4-2 formation - resting Mascherano and dropping gerrard into midfield with Alonso.
Quote from: stiffler on November 20, 2008, 09:27:26 AM
Quote from: Hank Everlast on November 20, 2008, 09:04:16 AM
Yossi hints at Anfield departure
Out-of-favour Liverpool midfielder Yossi Benayoun has stated that he is prepared to leave Anfield in order to find regular first-team football.
Benayoun has had a frustrating time this season and has had to make do with a place on the bench, starting just two of the last 10 games.
The Israeli signed from West Ham in the summer of 2007 and recorded an impressive 11 goals and 10 assists in his first season at the club.
The midfielder is currently away on international duty, where he is preparing to face the Ivory Coast, but he admits he has thought about a move away from Anfield.
He told The Sun: "The fact that I'm not involved and always come on as a sub tells you something. Even if it's Liverpool, if I don't get to play in the next few months I will not want to be here.
"I enjoy my time in England but maybe it is time to learn a new language, maybe Italian, French or Russian.
"When I came here it wasn't so I could tell everyone, 'Hey I play for Liverpool'.
"My purpose was to prove myself, and in the first year I think I did. I understand that I am at one of the biggest clubs in the world and that this year there are better players."
One of Benayoun's rare starts came in the 2-1 win over rivals Manchester United at Anfield but the 28-year-old found himself back on the bench for the following game.
"After our win over Manchester United I lost my place. Everyone wants to play and it is no fun sitting on the bench or playing just a few minutes.
"I'm part of the rotation but I hope in the next few months it will change."
I doubt any liverpool player would give an interview to the scum.
Eh pretty sure it was to Israeli TV, not the Sun. Unless he did do another interview, in which case, stupid boy.
It is not that he is shite. He has the tools, his footballing brain is just a notch below big-four standard. If he learned to release the ball a split second earlier he would be a much better player. Goal tally was double figures last season. A good player, but, for Liverpool and their ambitions, should be at the far end of the squad player scale.
P.S Kuyt also scored last night.
corn, if I am not mistaken but the most of those goals were in the game against Besiktas and the non league team in the FA Cup. He has to take 3 touches every time he palys the ball and slows the whole game up. Road him is what I say, get £5m back and call it quits. Get money for Pennant, promote El Zhar to the first team squad proper and use the money raised to buy a decent full back.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2008, 10:55:54 AM
corn, if I am not mistaken but the most of those goals were in the game against Besiktas and the non league team in the FA Cup. He has to take 3 touches every time he palys the ball and slows the whole game up. Road him is what I say, get £5m back and call it quits. Get money for Pennant, promote El Zhar to the first team squad proper and use the money raised to buy a decent full back.
Agreed, was reading an anecdote about Pennant on YNWA forum, when he was in "digs" at Arsenal he was running up a huge phonebill and treating the place like a hotel, the landlady pulled him about it and he pulled out a wad of notes that would have choked a donkey, starting peeling off twenties and throwing them on the floor beside the landlady.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2008, 10:55:54 AM
corn, if I am not mistaken but the most of those goals were in the game against Besiktas and the non league team in the FA Cup. He has to take 3 touches every time he palys the ball and slows the whole game up. Road him is what I say, get £5m back and call it quits. Get money for Pennant, promote El Zhar to the first team squad proper and use the money raised to buy a decent full back.
I don't want to be misintepreted, I agree and if we were offered five million I would bite the offerers' hand off. What I am saying is that there is some talent there, but it falls below Liverpool standard. Goals are goals, but I take your point.
If we got 7million comined for Yossi and Pennant (anyone see him with the whiskey this week?), we would be doing good business.
Quote from: corn02 on November 20, 2008, 11:23:26 AM
If we got 7million comined for Yossi and Pennant (anyone see him with the whiskey this week?), we would be doing good business.
Would that be this?
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Waster >:(
State of that hat!!
Rafael Benitez has rubbished claims that Martin Skrtel is seeking a move away from Liverpool. Reports in the Russian press suggested the 24-year-old defender - who is currently recovering from a knee injury - was unsettled in England and was looking for a move back to former club Zenit St Petersburg.
But Benitez insists his Slovakian centre-back is happy on Merseyside and enjoying life at Anfield.
"These sort of stories always tend to come out during an international week," said the Liverpool manager.
"I was talking with Martin at Melwood yesterday and it was clear that he is very happy and just wants to get back playing.
"He is working very hard to get himself fit again and he is very settled at Liverpool – both in the city and at the club."
Benitez was today keeping his fingers crossed that his international stars returned to Melwood injury-free after last night's friendlies across Europe.
Five of his players figured in Spain's 3-0 win over Chile in Villarreal with Fernando Torres, Pepe Reina, Xabi Alonso, Alvaro Arbeloa and Albert Riera all winning another cap.
"It was good to see so many of our players involved because it shows how important Liverpool are," he said. "I was especially pleased for Arbeloa and Riera because they are getting their reward for working hard and doing a good job for a good club.
"Hopefully the players will come back and be fit and ready for the game against Fulham because that is the most important thing for us now."
Quote from: Hank Everlast on November 20, 2008, 08:47:16 AM
i was thinkn about orderin one for xmas(off thefootballshirt.com), do they take long delivering?
2 weeks
Love the tag on Pennant's wrist, just to remind us.
I dont know why Benitez ever bought him, he stood out on a very poor Birmingham team.
I actually had hoped that he was going to be a good buy. I thought at least he was someone who could run at defenders and take them on. Something we were badly missing as Kewell hadn't preformed. Unfortunately I was wrong and he should be shipped on to Someone else.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2008, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: Hank Everlast on November 20, 2008, 08:47:16 AM
i was thinkn about orderin one for xmas(off thefootballshirt.com), do they take long delivering?
2 weeks
The chinese are slow stitchers
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 20, 2008, 10:55:54 AM
corn, if I am not mistaken but the most of those goals were in the game against Besiktas and the non league team in the FA Cup. He has to take 3 touches every time he palys the ball and slows the whole game up. Road him is what I say, get £5m back and call it quits. Get money for Pennant, promote El Zhar to the first team squad proper and use the money raised to buy a decent full back.
Re a full-back I see the rumour mill has Bridge to Merseyside for £7million. I can't seeit happening in this transfer window if the two teams are still necked at the top of the table.
GERRARD RULED OUT OF FULHAM CLASH
Paul Eaton 21 November 2008
Steven Gerrard has been ruled out of tomorrow's league clash with Fulham - but Robbie Keane is fit after recovering from a shoulder injury.
No Stevie tomorrow so the team should pick itself
Reina
Arbeloa Carra agger Aurelio
Kuyt Masch Alonso Riera
Torres Keane
Quote from: gawa316 on November 21, 2008, 03:30:40 PM
GERRARD RULED OUT OF FULHAM CLASH
Paul Eaton 21 November 2008
Steven Gerrard has been ruled out of tomorrow's league clash with Fulham - but Robbie Keane is fit after recovering from a shoulder injury.
No Stevie tomorrow so the team should pick itself
Reina
Arbeloa Carra agger Aurelio
Kuyt Masch Alonso Riera
Torres Keane
Shouldn't really affect the team that much..We didn't need him to beat Man United I doubt it will matter against Fulham
any links for the game?
Its on Setanta for anyone that has it
Link
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=491e2dd55d3d2 (http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=491e2dd55d3d2)
what setanta channel is that laoislad? would i not get it in the north??
Quote from: Minus15 on November 22, 2008, 02:56:56 PM
what setanta channel is that laoislad? would i not get it in the north??
Its on Setanta 1
Not sure if you can get it up north,I have it on Ntl
no we just get sports saturday up here. cnuts
Quote from: Minus15 on November 22, 2008, 03:03:59 PM
no we just get sports saturday up here. cnuts
Its great to be free ;)
Keane just missed a sitter
Not totally shocked by that LL
fuckin veetle just stopped workin 4 me
Setanta must be on to it!
Justin tv has all stopped showing aswell >:(!
go to myp2p-live sports-find the game-choose any sopcast link
keane is terrible
http://global3sms.com/ (http://global3sms.com/)
Liverpool have been very sloppy with there passing and Keane should have bagged that chance!
Lucas and Agger just don't look good enough in what was a pretty lethargic first half.
Interesting to hear the crowd chanting for Alonso.
I feel we need something from Torres to pull out a win here.
He takes off Masch :o
Kop didnt sound best pleased!
Pure shite
;D ;D ;D ;D
Newcastle did us a favour anyway in this two horse race. I had a bad feeling about today.
Poor stuff to say the least! Maybe expecting to much now but surely you have to win your home games against the likes of Fulham. at least Chelski was held aswell. great chance for united to close the gap on both teams now!
Thought agger had an excellent game
Terrible result, terrible performance. If Villa nick a point I suppose it will not make much difference. The team was flat throughout, no creativity at all. Backline was decent.
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2008, 04:57:05 PM
Newcastle did us a favour anyway in this two horse race. I had a bad feeling about today.
love your confidence
if utd sneak a win thats them back in it. though i doubt utd will get anything bar a draw
might make it a 3 horse race ;)
Quote from: milltown row on November 22, 2008, 05:00:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2008, 04:57:05 PM
Newcastle did us a favour anyway in this two horse race. I had a bad feeling about today.
love your confidence
if utd sneak a win thats them back in it. though i doubt utd will get anything bar a draw
might make it a 3 horse race ;)
Surely you never thought they were out of it? Can't see yous not picking the thre up, the hoddo sign over Villa.
Neever seen the game!! Was Alonso injured?
Very poor result, especially considering Chelsea only picked up a point. Fulham at home should certainly have been a case for going for the juggler!!
Lets hope Villa take something from Utd, but at the end of the day these dropped points could be very costly later in the season.
United 0-0 with Villa.
Got out of jail today with the other results but still an oppertunity missed.
Makes our result and Keanes miss all the more frustrating! :(
Quote from: milltown row on November 22, 2008, 05:00:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2008, 04:57:05 PM
Newcastle did us a favour anyway in this two horse race. I had a bad feeling about today.
love your confidence
if utd sneak a win thats them back in it. though i doubt utd will get anything bar a drawmight make it a 3 horse race ;)
too early in the season lads, hold fire till feb
On the subject of Keane,if you were Rafa and were offered £15m for him now would you take it? I would
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2008, 08:19:46 PM
On the subject of Keane,if you were Rafa and were offered £15m for him now would you take it? I would
Probably why you will never be Liverpool manager. :)
But, seriously, you can't honestly say you would take a £5 million hit on a player that hasn't been at the club six months yet. I think he has the same amount of league goals as Berbatov. A couple of sitters missed should not lead to an over reaction. I am confident it will happen fpor him, but I could be wrong. I will give him an honest chance and show a bit of loyalty to be fair. Minder, you are a good poster, don't be swayed by the talk of the same shites that booed Lucas today.
BENITEZ OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
Yous need to be giving Crouch more game time a big target man would be ideal partner for torres
I just think Keane for a fella in poor form has a bad attitude,he is always waving the finger and shrugging the shoulders when it doesnt go his way. I thought all he needed was those goals against West Brom to get him going then he had a stinker against Bolton and missed another great chance today. I also read that he was on the beer for a fair part of last weekend after the Bolton game. You just cant get away with it at this level.
Keane to me is a confidence player! At Spurs he knew he was the best player they had but with liverpool he seems to be in awe of the players around him! If he was more selfish on the ball i feel he could be better!
as for his finger wagging etc. he always had this problem, never liked it from him!
QuoteKeane to me is a confidence player!
You've h the nail on the head. Has never fulfilled his potential as a result.
it's arrived
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QuoteKeane to me is a confidence player! At Spurs he knew he was the best player they had but with liverpool he seems to be in awe of the players around him! If he was more selfish on the ball i feel he could be better!
as for his finger wagging etc. he always had this problem, never liked it from him!
I doubt the Spurs fans had him as the best ahead of Berbatov!
Another struggle for Liverpool without Sevie G!
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 24, 2008, 05:09:25 PM
QuoteKeane to me is a confidence player! At Spurs he knew he was the best player they had but with liverpool he seems to be in awe of the players around him! If he was more selfish on the ball i feel he could be better!
as for his finger wagging etc. he always had this problem, never liked it from him!
I doubt the Spurs fans had him as the best ahead of Berbatov!
Another struggle for Liverpool without Sevie G!
Another? - point out the other times please. I remember beating United without him.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2008, 04:26:31 PM
it's arrived
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I saw that in Champion Sports last night for €50
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 24, 2008, 05:09:25 PM
QuoteKeane to me is a confidence player! At Spurs he knew he was the best player they had but with liverpool he seems to be in awe of the players around him! If he was more selfish on the ball i feel he could be better!
as for his finger wagging etc. he always had this problem, never liked it from him!
I doubt the Spurs fans had him as the best ahead of Berbatov!
Another struggle for Liverpool without Sevie G!
If you said Alonso you might have had a point, they played better once he came on, but they haven't been doing too bad without both Torres & Gerrard in a good few games this season.
Liverpool to go shopping in Dublin
Premier League contenders Liverpool FC are to open a merchandise shop in Dublin. The celebrated football club is understood to have hired CBRE's London office to source a shop of between 3,000 and 10,000 square feet in Dublin city, with the northside the favoured location.
The club is owned by US businessmen George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, but reports in Britain suggest that Merrill Lynch has been hired to find possible buyers. Deloitte has ranked Liverpool as the eighth-richest club in the world, with income of nearly €200m in the 2006-2007 season.
The club will hope to outperform Manchester United's merchandise shop, which closed after 18 months in 2002 due to poor sales. Most of the retail space it occupied is still empty six years later.
We heard you the first time LL !
Quote from: Minder on November 25, 2008, 11:52:03 AM
We heard you the first time LL !
sorry I'm a little drunk!
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 25, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
Liverpool to go shopping in Dublin
Premier League contenders Liverpool FC are to open a merchandise shop in Dublin. The celebrated football club is understood to have hired CBRE's London office to source a shop of between 3,000 and 10,000 square feet in Dublin city, with the northside the favoured location.
The club is owned by US businessmen George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, but reports in Britain suggest that Merrill Lynch has been hired to find possible buyers. Deloitte has ranked Liverpool as the eighth-richest club in the world, with income of nearly €200m in the 2006-2007 season.
The club will hope to outperform Manchester United's merchandise shop, which closed after 18 months in 2002 due to poor sales. Most of the retail space it occupied is still empty six years later.
:D
Aye, course you are drunk
Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Agger, Aurelio, Mascherano, Alonso, Kuyt, Gerrard, Riera, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Keane, Benayoun, Babel, Leiva Lucas, Kelly.
1-0
Stevie G
Dossena is dirt! >:(
In danger of throwing this away!
Ben Arfa is ripping Dossena apart....if he doesnt improve his game hes gonna go down as one of the worst liverpool players ever.
1-0
Pretty poor display. Seemed to be a lot of players going through the motions even from early on. Must be Mascherano's worst game for the club although some of them were no better.
Just about! Poor second half but job done, will need a few goals in the final game to finish ahead of Atletico.
Poor performance.
Positives:
Superb save from Reina
Sour defenders very, very good
Wingers put in a very good shift. Reira looked dangerous again
3 points and qulaification
Negatives:
Outclassed in second half
Dossena poor again
No thrust
Couldnt fathom why Reiera was taken off. Besides the goal he looked like the one attacking player that was gonna create something.
Unconvincing performance again and that second half was difficult viewing.
At least qualification is secured but some consistent form will need to be found pretty quick.
Mascherano back to normal last night after 2 or 3 good performance this year.
I love seeing the united bandwagoners coming on here putting in their two pence worths everytime liverpool have an off day!! ::)
Quote from: Hank Everlast on November 27, 2008, 08:25:46 AM
I love seeing the united bandwagoners coming on here putting in their two pence worths everytime liverpool have an off day!! ::)
Get yourself onto the UTD thread Hank! ;) :D
By the way, I'd say you are about 26 / 27, same as myself! - When our generation started to watch football It was Liverpool & to a lesser extent Arsenal who were the successful teams of English football...
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 25, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
Liverpool to go shopping in Dublin
Premier League contenders Liverpool FC are to open a merchandise shop in Dublin. The celebrated football club is understood to have hired CBRE's London office to source a shop of between 3,000 and 10,000 square feet in Dublin city, with the northside the favoured location.
The club is owned by US businessmen George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, but reports in Britain suggest that Merrill Lynch has been hired to find possible buyers. Deloitte has ranked Liverpool as the eighth-richest club in the world, with income of nearly €200m in the 2006-2007 season.
The club will hope to outperform Manchester United's merchandise shop, which closed after 18 months in 2002 due to poor sales. Most of the retail space it occupied is still empty six years later.
One of my proudest moments as an Auditor was preparing a report and doing the dilligence that allowed Roches pull the plug on the United store in Dublin. Its had to have been the worst located store in Dublin and its sales backed this up.
Quote from: bingobus on November 27, 2008, 09:31:53 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 25, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
Liverpool to go shopping in Dublin
Premier League contenders Liverpool FC are to open a merchandise shop in Dublin. The celebrated football club is understood to have hired CBRE's London office to source a shop of between 3,000 and 10,000 square feet in Dublin city, with the northside the favoured location.
The club is owned by US businessmen George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, but reports in Britain suggest that Merrill Lynch has been hired to find possible buyers. Deloitte has ranked Liverpool as the eighth-richest club in the world, with income of nearly €200m in the 2006-2007 season.
The club will hope to outperform Manchester United's merchandise shop, which closed after 18 months in 2002 due to poor sales. Most of the retail space it occupied is still empty six years later.
One of my proudest moments as an Auditor was preparing a report and doing the dilligence that allowed Roches pull the plug on the United store in Dublin. Its had to have been the worst located store in Dublin and its sales backed this up.
TOO.....MANY......JOKES!
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2008, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: bingobus on November 27, 2008, 09:31:53 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on November 25, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
Liverpool to go shopping in Dublin
Premier League contenders Liverpool FC are to open a merchandise shop in Dublin. The celebrated football club is understood to have hired CBRE's London office to source a shop of between 3,000 and 10,000 square feet in Dublin city, with the northside the favoured location.
The club is owned by US businessmen George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks, but reports in Britain suggest that Merrill Lynch has been hired to find possible buyers. Deloitte has ranked Liverpool as the eighth-richest club in the world, with income of nearly €200m in the 2006-2007 season.
The club will hope to outperform Manchester United's merchandise shop, which closed after 18 months in 2002 due to poor sales. Most of the retail space it occupied is still empty six years later.
One of my proudest moments as an Auditor was preparing a report and doing the dilligence that allowed Roches pull the plug on the United store in Dublin. Its had to have been the worst located store in Dublin and its sales backed this up.
TOO.....MANY......JOKES!
;D ;D Well there is prob nothing else that would even slightly resemble "pride" in been an auditor.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 27, 2008, 08:05:00 AM
Mascherano back to normal last night after 2 or 3 good performance this year.
Masch is one of the best midfielders in the league...anyone who travels over to Anfield to watch games on a regular basis will attest to this, the man is a dynamo, fantastic player..had a poor game last night though
PQ
Quote from: peterquaife on November 27, 2008, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 27, 2008, 08:05:00 AM
Mascherano back to normal last night after 2 or 3 good performance this year.
Masch is one of the best midfielders in the league...anyone who travels over to Anfield to watch games on a regular basis will attest to this, the man is a dynamo, fantastic player..had a poor game last night though
PQ
Was only a bit of fishing Peter, he is without doubt one of the very best for me, but is still to hit the peaks of last season. His passing wa svery sloppy last night, reminded me of his first seven or eight games with Liverpool. If we are to challenge we need him to hit top form as much as anyone else.
Not really fishing, I've always maintained he's the most over rated footballer in the premiership. To be playing at that level you surely have to be able to pass the ball. Any eejit can run like a headless chicken & get stuck in! Sissoko was a better option as he had height to help you out at corners!
IMO Liverpool don't need a player like him!
He may win a lot of tackles, but he loses the ball more than Giggsy does!
Alonso & Gerrard are capable enough in their on their own... & then ya can start Robbie Keane!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 27, 2008, 11:58:55 AM
Not really fishing, I've always maintained he's the most over rated footballer in the premiership. To be playing at that level you surely have to be able to pass the ball. Any eejit can run like a headless chicken & get stuck in! Sissoko was a better option as he had height to help you out at corners!
IMO Liverpool don't need a player like him!
He may win a lot of tackles, but he loses the ball more than Giggsy does!
Alonso & Gerrard are capable enough in their on their own... & then ya can start Robbie Keane!
Worth a try Goats. Until Mascherano learns to hoof the ball straight up into the air when nobody is near him for no reason the way Sissoko did he couldnt lace Momo's boots.
No Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
Quote from: supersarsfields on November 27, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
No Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
I'd have Dirk Kuyt ahead of Masch!
Well it's no surprise, Dirk has his admirers this year alright. Some fine performances.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on November 27, 2008, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on November 27, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
No Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
I'd have Dirk Kuyt ahead of Masch!
Derek is the man
Quote from: supersarsfields on November 27, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
No Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
Would certainly second that. I rember you bringing this up last season alright Goats. You justifiably questioned his passing while Pool fans did not see a problem with it. He clearly was poor passer at the timke, his only downfall. He subsequently improved his passing 10-fold for the second half of the season, but at the start of this campaign he has reverted back to 'sloppy passing'. The rest of his game in unreal.
Glad to see Kuyt have a good game, he was poor against Fulham and I would hate to think his good form is slipping.
I thought the team as a whole looked very tired last night. Masch in particular looked knackered and this would explain his dreadful game. He looked loose on the tackle and weak on the ball. Remember he had no pre season and very little break due to the Olympics. I also thought Gerard looked leggy as did Derek. Dosenna looks about a stone over weight and he is very flat footed.
At the time that Riera was taken off, rafa actually should have left him on and taken off Masch. Push either Keane or Yossi behind Torres and go 4-4-1-1. This would have kept things compact and provided cover for Dossena who was obviously struggling with the pace on the wings.
Still a win is a win and if you told me at the start of the year that we would be joint on points at the top and qualified for CL 2nd round before November is out then I would have cut your arm off.
The squad looks bear with the same 7-8 players required to win games. There is too much deadwood
Quote from: corn02 on November 27, 2008, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: supersarsfields on November 27, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
No Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
Would certainly second that. I rember you bringing this up last season alright Goats. You justifiably questioned his passing while Pool fans did not see a problem with it. He clearly was poor passer at the timke, his only downfall. He subsequently improved his passing 10-fold for the second half of the season, but at the start of this campaign he has reverted back to 'sloppy passing'. The rest of his game in unreal.
In fairness that was probably his worst game for Liverpool last night. His usual standard has been closer to when he dominated midfield against Man U earlier in the season in the absence of Gerrard and Torres.
My only worry is that he might run out of steam this year having gone straight from the Olympics into a new season.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 27, 2008, 01:02:16 PM
The squad looks bear with the same 7-8 players required to win games. There is too much deadwood
Thats the scousers problem this last decade
Nice read.
The denouement of the 1984-85 season would be the pitiful nadir of English football: Millwall fans setting about the police at Kenilworth Road, a young lad killed after skirmishes between Birmingham City and Leeds United fans, 56 dead as a result of entrenched regulatory failings at Bradford, another 39 victims in the riot at Heysel. Throw the crippling financial implications of the resulting Uefa ban on English clubs and all-time low attendances into a depressing mix, and it's easy to see why there were serious concerns over football's ability to maintain its position as the country's No1 sport. Or indeed — the climate was this bleak — continue as a spectator pastime at all.
Eighties football in general gets a bad press to this day — and no wonder, as hooliganism would continue to blight the game for pretty much the entire decade, while at Hillsborough another entire city would be forever scarred by the myriad failings of those supposedly in control — so it's understandably easy to forget the odd bright point. But the 1985-86 First Division was one, and it came at exactly the right time. It was going to take something special to rescue football from the doldrums in 1985. And something special — on occasions frankly surreal in its ability to surprise and entertain at every turn — was exactly what we got.
FA Cup holders Manchester United came flying out of the blocks, winning their opening fixture against Aston Villa 4-0, then going on to win the following nine games as well, running three goals past Nottingham Forest, Newcastle, Oxford and Manchester City, scoring five at West Brom, and winning at Arsenal. United had gone 19 seasons without a league title and having started the season with 10 straight wins, a run that took them nine points clear of Liverpool and 13 points ahead of champions Everton (who had romped the 1984-85 campaign in imperious style), looked odds-on to end that sorry run.
But Ron Atkinson's side would stagger and fall, almost as though there was a trollying booze culture at the club. After going the first 15 games of the campaign unbeaten, they went on to lose 10 of their remaining 27. Bryan Robson's hamstring problem was a major factor, but then so was the fact that half the team were so lightweight they only bothered the scales after a particularly heavy shower of Mancunian rain. It's also worth noting that some of the teams played in that 10-in-a-row run were none too clever: West Brom and Ipswich would go down, Villa and City were heading that way the season after, and Arsenal were a total shambles under Don Howe.
Doubly annoying for United fans all across the country was the fact they couldn't see the games on TV while the going was good. Club chairmen had, preposterously, decided this was exactly the time to get bolshy with the BBC and ITV over the £17m the broadcasters had offered for the televised rights. They somehow, however, failed to recognise that not only was English football at its lowest ebb, the BBC and ITV operated as a cartel, and satellite television had yet to establish itself in the country. A ludicrous stand-off followed, which saw the game off the screens until the new year, when a compromise deal was reached. Still, Manchester United's armchair contingent would at least be able to witness one of the defining images of the season live on television in March: Bryan Robson's shoulder falling from its moorings at West Ham, a stark symbol of their crumbling season. Sometimes life just isn't fair, is it?
The TV stand-off also robbed viewers of West Ham United's blistering start to the season. The then practically unknown Frank McAvennie had joined the Hammers in the summer from St Mirren, and set about First Division defences with the sort of relish he would later reserve for Special Powder, booze, women and Special Powder. Leading the goalscoring charts, with his strike partner Tony Cottee not too far behind him, Macca was invited onto Wogan, Denis Law trotting alongside him as a nation put a face to the name. By the end of the year, John Lyall's side were four points off the top of the table. They would remain in the race until the last week of the season, before running out of steam.
Chelsea were second at the turn of the year, two points behind Manchester United. John Hollins' stint in charge at Stamford Bridge would go disastrously wrong in time, but six months into the job he looked like the new Ted Drake; Kerry Dixon and David Speedie were the only strike partnership to rival the one at West Ham and bothering goalkeepers for amusement. They would still be in the title race in mid-March: a 1-0 win at Southampton put them four behind leaders Everton with two games in hand. They had to, however, play the final of the new-fangled Full Members Cup against Manchester City the very next day. They won 5-4 — "If football is dying, I hope it's dying like that," said Hollins after the game — but they would only pick up nine points from the last 33. The fixture list surely conspired against Chelsea, though whether that fully explains away their two subsequent results after the FMC final — a 4-0 home reverse by West Ham and a 6-0 shellacking at QPR — is a moot point.
It was a whirlwind of nonsense alright. But as ever in the 80s, it was always going to be about Merseyside. Yet even this was strange. Liverpool were very much in transition, the team still to properly recover from the loss of Graeme Souness in 1984 to Sampdoria. Everton meanwhile had the best side in their history. The reigning champions, who had added Gary Lineker to the mix, had started sluggishly, but by February 22 — when they steamrollered Liverpool 2-0 at Anfield to go three clear of Manchester United with a game in hand, and eight clear of their arch-rivals — the league looked sewn up.
But no. While the 1985-86 Liverpool team was hardly a vintage one, their response to that defeat was frankly ludicrous. Their very next game was away at Tottenham, and after three minutes Bruce Grobbelaar practically threw one into his own net (no jokes, please). But Jan Molby equalised from long range midway through the second half, before Ian Rush scored a brilliant last-minute winner. Liverpool would go on to win 10 of their remaining 11 games, drawing the other. Everton would draw three times and lose twice, the second defeat a crucial 1-0 loss at Oxford, to hand the title to Liverpool, who would then go on to complete the double in what was, behind Coventry's effort of 1987, the most dramatic FA Cup final of the decade.
Any attempt at rational analysis is futile. This was palpably the worst title-winning Liverpool side in living memory, yet they had put together one of the greatest late charges in the history of the league. Then they became only the fifth club to win the Double, still a rare feat in those days, and probably should have won the domestic Treble, a late own-goal knocking them out at the semi-final stage of the Milk Cup against QPR. (Although whether they could have coped with the Oxford whirlwind that blew Rangers away in the final is another matter. As is Oxford — Oxford! — winning a major trophy. Truly this was a great season.) Everton meanwhile have never sparkled brighter — Lineker scored 40 goals that season — yet ended up with nothing.
One thing is clear, though: this was the year Liverpool, Everton, West Ham, Manchester United and Chelsea gave top-flight English football the shot in the arm it so desperately needed.
Though having said all that, it was possibly nothing compared to the dramatic nonsense that was concurrently unfolding in the Scottish Premier League.
QuoteNo Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
Hargreaves is better at doing the job that Mascherano is there for, Carrick is better as he can pass the ball more than 5 yards and Anderson is only 20 and is already a classier player although he hasn't achieved the 'high level of consistency' that Mascherano has.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2008, 01:58:10 PM
QuoteNo Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
Hargreaves is better at doing the job that Mascherano is there for, Carrick is better as he can pass the ball more than 5 yards and Anderson is only 20 and is already a classier player although he hasn't achieved the 'high level of consistency' that Mascherano has.
So all three of them are better than Mascherano? Want to add anyone else? Darren Fletcher? John O'Shea?
Thanks for that Corn 02.
I remember 'watching' the Full members final on teletext. IIRC Chelsea led 5-1 with a few minutes left, and City stormed back to have this 10 year old gnashing in fear!
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2008, 01:58:10 PM
QuoteNo Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
Hargreaves is better at doing the job that Mascherano is there for, Carrick is better as he can pass the ball more than 5 yards and Anderson is only 20 and is already a classier player although he hasn't achieved the 'high level of consistency' that Mascherano has.
As usual a very balanced, totally unbiased argument from NRico.
Corn/Norf - Was 10 myself that year and United's omplosion after promising so much was terrible. Robson picked up some amount of injuries that time and they were never the same team without him. Hughes was on fire early that year but somethnig went on around Christmas with Barca and his second half of the season was poor. He ended up at the Nou Camp that summer with Lineker.
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
Quote from: gawa316 on November 27, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
They put up a thread (which I only read afterwards) that they were starting fresh and you had to re-register or something and that they were restricting membership. I tried to log on a few days ago and wasn't able to. I contacted support and they told me to post on the forum and wait (no time given) which was pretty vague considering how could I post when my username and password wasn't working. I had to contact them again and got the same message back. Still waiting. Farcical really. Some of the resident United fans got in and many Liverpool fans are still left out and I've been registered there since 2003.
You can contact them at enquiries@ynwa.tv. Let me know how you get on.
Quote from: supersarsfields on November 27, 2008, 12:05:51 PM
No Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
you can add park, nani and fletcher to that list!!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 27, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
They put up a thread (which I only read afterwards) that they were starting fresh and you had to re-register or something and that they were restricting membership. I tried to log on a few days ago and wasn't able to. I contacted support and they told me to post on the forum and wait (no time given) which was pretty vague considering how could I post when my username and password wasn't working. I had to contact them again and got the same message back. Still waiting. Farcical really. Some of the resident United fans got in and many Liverpool fans are still left out and I've been registered there since 2003.
You can contact them at enquiries@ynwa.tv. Let me know how you get on.
Same for me, i had problems when i registered a few weeks back and one of the mods was being a total wa*ker, he thought i was banned under a different name at some stage. Total c*ck. He told me there was nothing wrong with my account when there obviously was. I emailed the same fella the other day wasking was it now by "invite only" no reply yet and i am not expecting one.
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2008, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 27, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
They put up a thread (which I only read afterwards) that they were starting fresh and you had to re-register or something and that they were restricting membership. I tried to log on a few days ago and wasn't able to. I contacted support and they told me to post on the forum and wait (no time given) which was pretty vague considering how could I post when my username and password wasn't working. I had to contact them again and got the same message back. Still waiting. Farcical really. Some of the resident United fans got in and many Liverpool fans are still left out and I've been registered there since 2003.
You can contact them at enquiries@ynwa.tv. Let me know how you get on.
Same for me, i had problems when i registered a few weeks back and one of the mods was being a total wa*ker, he thought i was banned under a different name at some stage. Total c*ck. He told me there was nothing wrong with my account when there obviously was. I emailed the same fella the other day wasking was it now by "invite only" no reply yet and i am not expecting one.
Quick - start a petition.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2008, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 27, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
They put up a thread (which I only read afterwards) that they were starting fresh and you had to re-register or something and that they were restricting membership. I tried to log on a few days ago and wasn't able to. I contacted support and they told me to post on the forum and wait (no time given) which was pretty vague considering how could I post when my username and password wasn't working. I had to contact them again and got the same message back. Still waiting. Farcical really. Some of the resident United fans got in and many Liverpool fans are still left out and I've been registered there since 2003.
You can contact them at enquiries@ynwa.tv. Let me know how you get on.
Same for me, i had problems when i registered a few weeks back and one of the mods was being a total wa*ker, he thought i was banned under a different name at some stage. Total c*ck. He told me there was nothing wrong with my account when there obviously was. I emailed the same fella the other day wasking was it now by "invite only" no reply yet and i am not expecting one.
Quick - start a petition.
Why?
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2008, 02:13:58 PM
Corn/Norf - Was 10 myself that year and United's omplosion after promising so much was terrible. Robson picked up some amount of injuries that time and they were never the same team without him. Hughes was on fire early that year but somethnig went on around Christmas with Barca and his second half of the season was poor. He ended up at the Nou Camp that summer with Lineker.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 27, 2008, 02:11:08 PM
Thanks for that Corn 02.
I remember 'watching' the Full members final on teletext. IIRC Chelsea led 5-1 with a few minutes left, and City stormed back to have this 10 year old gnashing in fear!
Slightly before my time gents, sounds like an exciting race. Seemingly 15,000 Pool fans in Stamford Bridge?
United lost 10 games in theri last 27, amazing.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 27, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
They put up a thread (which I only read afterwards) that they were starting fresh and you had to re-register or something and that they were restricting membership. I tried to log on a few days ago and wasn't able to. I contacted support and they told me to post on the forum and wait (no time given) which was pretty vague considering how could I post when my username and password wasn't working. I had to contact them again and got the same message back. Still waiting. Farcical really. Some of the resident United fans got in and many Liverpool fans are still left out and I've been registered there since 2003.
You can contact them at enquiries@ynwa.tv. Let me know how you get on.
Had the same problem.
When you log, there is one topic in the forum called "new members" or something. Post a new topic, requesting that your membership account be reactiviated. You post and it will go to the mods. You still won't see anything. I got an email after two days saying that my account was registered and I'm back on.
It is probably just a case of working through them, one of the better forums and worth the wait in my opinion.
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 27, 2008, 01:58:10 PM
QuoteNo Harm GDS I'd have Mach over Anderson, Carrick or Hargreaves any day of the week.
Hargreaves is better at doing the job that Mascherano is there for, Carrick is better as he can pass the ball more than 5 yards and Anderson is only 20 and is already a classier player although he hasn't achieved the 'high level of consistency' that Mascherano has.
There's no way I would agree that Hargreaves is better than Masc. But then again that's my own opinion. While his passing isn't great at times, he more than makes up for in tackling and reading of games. He's a vital part of that Liverpool team now and they look weaker when he's out or having an off day.
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2008, 02:44:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2008, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 27, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
They put up a thread (which I only read afterwards) that they were starting fresh and you had to re-register or something and that they were restricting membership. I tried to log on a few days ago and wasn't able to. I contacted support and they told me to post on the forum and wait (no time given) which was pretty vague considering how could I post when my username and password wasn't working. I had to contact them again and got the same message back. Still waiting. Farcical really. Some of the resident United fans got in and many Liverpool fans are still left out and I've been registered there since 2003.
You can contact them at enquiries@ynwa.tv. Let me know how you get on.
Same for me, i had problems when i registered a few weeks back and one of the mods was being a total wa*ker, he thought i was banned under a different name at some stage. Total c*ck. He told me there was nothing wrong with my account when there obviously was. I emailed the same fella the other day wasking was it now by "invite only" no reply yet and i am not expecting one.
Quick - start a petition.
Why?
I think it was an attempt at "humour"
I'm a huge Hargreaves fan, when fit. he's united' best dm. personal opinion i know but i prefer him to mascherano. they're both non stop energy burners and impossible to pass but OH uses the ball much better and is more versitile.
QuoteAs usual a very balanced, totally unbiased argument from NRico.
Pot, Kettle and black are words that come to mind Minder.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2008, 02:58:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2008, 02:44:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2008, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 27, 2008, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 27, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
Anyone know what is up with ynwa.com, none of the threads come up on the forum anymore
They put up a thread (which I only read afterwards) that they were starting fresh and you had to re-register or something and that they were restricting membership. I tried to log on a few days ago and wasn't able to. I contacted support and they told me to post on the forum and wait (no time given) which was pretty vague considering how could I post when my username and password wasn't working. I had to contact them again and got the same message back. Still waiting. Farcical really. Some of the resident United fans got in and many Liverpool fans are still left out and I've been registered there since 2003.
You can contact them at enquiries@ynwa.tv. Let me know how you get on.
Same for me, i had problems when i registered a few weeks back and one of the mods was being a total wa*ker, he thought i was banned under a different name at some stage. Total c*ck. He told me there was nothing wrong with my account when there obviously was. I emailed the same fella the other day wasking was it now by "invite only" no reply yet and i am not expecting one.
Quick - start a petition.
Why?
I think it was an attempt at "humour"
A rather pathetic attempt at that ::)
This here is a good forum as an alternative to ynwa
http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1977446.ece (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1977446.ece)
This is funny. Watch the video.. :D :D
Quote from: EC Unique on November 27, 2008, 04:46:25 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1977446.ece (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1977446.ece)
This is funny. Watch the video.. :D :D
Did I hear him say near the end "He is better than Carra"? :D
FFS >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
QuoteFernando Torres and Fabio Aurelio both face short spells on the sidelines after picking up injuries against Marseille on Wednesday night.
Both players underwent scans at Melwood earlier today after picking up hamstring and calf strains respectively during the 1-0 Champions League victory.
A club spokesman confirmed: "Fernando has a strain in his right hamstring and will be out of action for between two and three weeks.
"Fabio has a calf strain in his left leg and will be out for two weeks."
Torres is becoming the new Owen as far as injuries go
Looks like he'll miss the league games at home to West Ham and away to Blackburn. Touch and go for Hull on Dec 13 but probably better off leaving him out. Should be back for Arsenal just before Christmas.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2008, 07:49:25 PM
FFS >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
QuoteFernando Torres and Fabio Aurelio both face short spells on the sidelines after picking up injuries against Marseille on Wednesday night.
Both players underwent scans at Melwood earlier today after picking up hamstring and calf strains respectively during the 1-0 Champions League victory.
A club spokesman confirmed: "Fernando has a strain in his right hamstring and will be out of action for between two and three weeks.
"Fabio has a calf strain in his left leg and will be out for two weeks."
Will Torres latest hamstring injury now be blamed on the spanish national sides medical team? If Benitez did less crying and got on with things he might engender some more goodwill from national managers
I think the lack of a break for some of the players is taking it's toll. Hopefull Keane can stand up and make a proper go at scoring goals. The weekend could be very important. Chelsea could drop points against Arsenal and Citeh will give Manure a good strong test. With the extra days break until Monday night, Liverpool could benefit a lot from this weekend, and they owe the Hammers a beating from last season.
Quote from: slow corner back on November 27, 2008, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2008, 07:49:25 PM
FFS >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
QuoteFernando Torres and Fabio Aurelio both face short spells on the sidelines after picking up injuries against Marseille on Wednesday night.
Both players underwent scans at Melwood earlier today after picking up hamstring and calf strains respectively during the 1-0 Champions League victory.
A club spokesman confirmed: "Fernando has a strain in his right hamstring and will be out of action for between two and three weeks.
"Fabio has a calf strain in his left leg and will be out for two weeks."
Will Torres latest hamstring injury now be blamed on the spanish national sides medical team? If Benitez did less crying and got on with things he might engender some more goodwill from national managers
Why would Benetiz give a f**k about getting goodwill from national managers, and yes I would say that this is the same injury that he picked up on the Spanish trip which is flaring up again. Thought he looked out of sorts last night. Time for Keane to stand up and be counted...............
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2008, 07:49:25 PM
FFS >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
QuoteFernando Torres and Fabio Aurelio both face short spells on the sidelines after picking up injuries against Marseille on Wednesday night.
Both players underwent scans at Melwood earlier today after picking up hamstring and calf strains respectively during the 1-0 Champions League victory.
A club spokesman confirmed: "Fernando has a strain in his right hamstring and will be out of action for between two and three weeks.
"Fabio has a calf strain in his left leg and will be out for two weeks."
thats a feckin disaster. No torres for a few weeks and the prospect of seeing dossena don the red shirt again. Not good at all. Keane needs to step up to the mark but I think he might struggle if he's played as a lone striker, even with gerrard as support. In the absence of Torres, I'd like to see Keane & Kuyt play together as a strike duo in a 4-4-2 formation. But then who would you put on the right - Babel/Benny??? And who would you play in midfield - gerrard & Alono maybe for the home games.
Why would Benitez give a good f**k about having good relations with the Spanish national team? Is he employed by the Spanish Federation in any way?
I would like to see El Zhar get a run in the team
Gerrard completes decade at Liverpool.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article5248511.ece
Hope to fcuk he doesnt play yon Ngog of whatever you call him!
Liverpool have some big games coming up where they need to pick up all 3 points..
Could be in trouble
Not good news for the scousers coming into the most important 6-8 weeks for any team hoping to win the League :o
I never thought I'd see the day when I was more gutted that Aurelio is injured more than Fernando.
Somebody must have spiked Rafa's drink when he watched Dossena play. I honestly wish the ref had just sent the tube off the other night for his foul at the edge of the box.
Quote from: Whacker on November 28, 2008, 09:09:19 AM
Hope to fcuk he doesnt play yon Ngog of whatever you call him!
Liverpool have some big games coming up where they need to pick up all 3 points..
Could be in trouble
Ngog is a forward version of Djimi Traore....
Times like this you would nearly wish Vororin was still about.....
God I feel dirty after saying that :-[
Liverpool have been drawn away to Preston North End in the 3rd round of the F.A Cup,to be played the weekend of January 3rd/4th
Quote from: Niall Quinn on November 08, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
Interesting that the bookies have us third favourites for the title, even after today's results:
Chelsea 4/5 Bet
Man Utd 3/1 Bet
Liverpool 4/1 Bet
Arsenal 10/1 Bet
Aston Villa 125/1 Bet
(from bet365.com)
Chelsea no longer odds on, and have yet to travel to Old Trafford, the Emirates, and Anfield.
Utd will be delighted that they're in touch, despite having had an awful run of fixtures.
A win tomorrow for Liverpool will see them top the table in December - something I've not said since 1990 ish..
Chelsea 11/10 Bet
Man Utd 9/4 Bet
Liverpool 3/1 Bet
Arsenal 20/1 Bet
Aston Villa 150/1
Arsenal would be well worth a flutter at 20/1. They're only seven points back with six months left in the season.
i was just thinkn the same myself J70!
Laoislad, is Arbeloa winning you around yet?
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 01:01:18 PM
Laoislad, is Arbeloa winning you around yet?
I wouldn't say winning me around,Though he certainly is improving..
I still think we need a new left and right back if we are to mount a serious title bid after christmas.
If Arbeloa gets injured there is no one to replace him,also if Aurelio gets injured all they have is Dossena..
It was a huge mistake to let Finnan go,even if he was only going to be used as cover this season he should have been kept
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 01, 2008, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 01:01:18 PM
Laoislad, is Arbeloa winning you around yet?
I wouldn't say winning me around,Though he certainly is improving..
I still think we need a new left and right back if we are to mount a serious title bid after christmas.
If Arbeloa gets injured there is no one to replace him,also if Aurelio gets injured all they have is Dossena..
It was a huge mistake to let Finnan go,even if he was only going to be used as cover this season he should have been kept
Yeah can't disagree with any of that. Wasn't having a pop or anything it is just that he has certainly steadied himself. I have been impressed with him this season, the quiet player who gets on with the job. of course having Carragher there would make most look excellent, but good to see our first-choice full-backs heading in the right direction.
Its time for a few players to satrt showing their worth, expecting a big game from Keane tonight. If Babel starts he has to start delivering, he cant always have the "impact sub" tag. I would give Mascherano a rest as he looks knackered, play Babel on the right and Keane and Kuyt up front.
Id go with that alright Minder.
Id like to give Insua a go at left back ahead of Dossena, but I doubt Rafa will go for that,
Quote from: nifan on December 01, 2008, 01:49:05 PM
Id go with that alright Minder.
Id like to give Insua a go at left back ahead of Dossena, but I doubt Rafa will go for that,
Said same thing myself a few weeks back..
I would like to see Babel get a role up front with Keane tonight
Aye well you could swap Babel and Kuyt, as long as Benny Hill isnt playing i will be happy enough.
Would love to see Babel on the right but has Rafa ever played him there? (not from the start anyway)
I'd played Insua at left back, Dossena in his recent games (infact 90% of games) looks the biggest liability ever. Never tracks his man into the box, heads it across goal, makes the rest of the defence look dodgey etc etc.
Hope to god we can score in the 1st half tonight because the longer these games go on we get very nervous and are a threat to our title challenge
Rafa definitely won't start with Insua. He hasn't really shown a great deal as yet for me to say he would be any better than dossena. And you don't spend 7million on a left back to not play him. Rafa has acknowledged that he has had a rocky start but he's giving him the chance to gain some confidence in a new position and a new league. I can't say I have much faith in Dossena yet but I don't mind Rafa giving him a chance to change my mind and i really hope i do. Aurelio wasn't great when he signed but look at him now. He's a class act at times, pity about the injuries. And its not just a case of appreciating him more due to how bad Dossena's been!
My team for tonight. (what i think Rafa could do)
Reina
Arbeloa
Carragher
Agger
Dossena
Benayoun
Gerrard
Alonso
Riera
Keane
Kuyt
Quote from: Minus15 on December 01, 2008, 05:46:41 PM
Rafa definitely won't start with Insua. He hasn't really shown a great deal as yet for me to say he would be any better than dossena. And you don't spend 7million on a left back to not play him. Rafa has acknowledged that he has had a rocky start but he's giving him the chance to gain some confidence in a new position and a new league. I can't say I have much faith in Dossena yet but I don't mind Rafa giving him a chance to change my mind and i really hope i do. Aurelio wasn't great when he signed but look at him now. He's a class act at times, pity about the injuries. And its not just a case of appreciating him more due to how bad Dossena's been!
My team for tonight. (what i think Rafa could do)
Reina
Arbeloa
Carragher
Agger
Dossena
Benayoun
Gerrard
Alonso
Riera
Keane
Kuyt
Totally agree, Insua has looked sloppy in the bit of Premeirship football he has played. Also, when did we become such a club of c***ts that we are demanding a player be shipped out less than six months after he signed? I remember one Patrice Evra having a brutal start to his seaosn, but he wasn't sent packing to his 20 brothers and sisters and is now one of the best around. Obviously I am not going to say Dossena is going to flourish but, for those at Anfield at least, get behind him nd Lucas instead of knocking their confidence.
The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso, Gerrard, Benayoun, Riera, Keane, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Insua, Agger, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas, Ngog.
Interesting.
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 07:11:57 PM
The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso, Gerrard, Benayoun, Riera, Keane, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Insua, Agger, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas, Ngog.
Interesting.
Strange to start hyypia and drop agger, especially with bellamy starting upfront for the hammers. of all our centre backs, agger seems to have a bit of pace and more suitable for marking bellamy.
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 01, 2008, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 01, 2008, 07:11:57 PM
The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso, Gerrard, Benayoun, Riera, Keane, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Insua, Agger, Babel, Mascherano, Lucas, Ngog.
Interesting.
Strange to start hyypia and drop agger, especially with bellamy starting upfront for the hammers. of all our centre backs, agger seems to have a bit of pace and more suitable for marking bellamy.
Exactly what I was thinking, but Sami rarely lets us down. I said rarely so not jinxing him.
anyone have a good links, justintv not working properly :'(
Any links?
http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch2.html (http://www.iraqgoals.com/en/ch2.html)
http://livefooty121.blogspot.com/2008/11/channel-4.html
Poor stuff so far. Hopefully see Babel sooner rather than later.
Jesus wept
We are going to regret this little run of home games.
They are getting what they deserve. Has Benayoun some photos of Rafa?
Turds.
david n'gog should n'go home
Quote from: stiffler on December 01, 2008, 09:58:14 PM
david n'gog should n'go home
He should take Benayoun with him.
Completely dominated everything apart from scoring but that is 3 nil nil draws against teams we should be beating easily.
Thought dossena had a decent game though
Seems it was a fair result according to sky sports news. Great 2 Days for Utd's defence of the title ;D And I had a sneaky tenner on a draw at 7-2 :P
BENITEZ OUT!!!!!!!!!!11111111111
sure no need to bottle it yet, leave that till Easter ;D
Disaster...
Why take Keane off and bring on Ngog? I just don't get it.. ???
I thought Sami was the best Liverpool player on the night,Stevie G just wanted to do it all on his own,Riera was terrible and should have been taken off before Keane..
Anyway still top of the league :-\
Well done agents Clarke and Zola.
Well a disappointing result. Top of the league we may be but we probably should be about 6 points clear had we taken some of our chances in the home games against Stoke, Fulham and West Ham.
Unfortunately the smaller teams now come to Anfield and park the bus in front of the goals knowing that we struggle to break down packed defences. I'm less worried when we play away from home as teams feel obliged to come out and attack more.
Did not see the point of the Ngog/Keane substitution. Keane didn't have a great first half but looked to be getting involved more in the second half and then he's hauled off for Ngog who is just not good enough. Riera had a poor enough game. Babel should have been on earlier.
Dossena probably his best game since he joined and sent in a few brilliant crosses although he had virtually no defending to do.
QuoteSeems it was a fair result according to sky sports news
Well Liverpool probably had about 75% possession and 20 shots on goal but West Ham did hit the post from a long range Bellamy shot. You could argue they deserved a point for the way they defended but not on the balance of play.
Thankfully i missed the game tonight. Not overly surprised considering recent form. Just cannot put poor opposition away, and looks like a league title that is there for the taking could be lost as a result. >:(
No pleasin you Liverpool fans. If at the start of the season you were told you'd be top of the league in December you'd have been c**k-a-hoop. Bah humbug an all that.
Liverpools failings against the top 4 have held them back the last few years, now it is failings against the dross means there probably will be no title this year.
QuoteLiverpools failings against the top 4 have held them back the last few years, now it is failings against the dross means there probably will be no title this year.
Minder, despite your lofty start, did you honestly believe that you could win the title this year with that squad?
Quote from: Over the Bar on December 02, 2008, 09:07:15 AM
QuoteLiverpools failings against the top 4 have held them back the last few years, now it is failings against the dross means there probably will be no title this year.
Minder, despite your lofty start, did you honestly believe that you could win the title this year with that squad?
I didnt OTB, i know some of the players are not good enough to maintain a title challenge. They will be able to lift their game for one off games, ie Man Utd & Chelsea. Not being able to break down Fulham, Stoke & West Ham at home illustrates the players are not good enough. You can all the mitigating circumstances you want but thats what it boils down to.
To the Liverpool fans who booed at Fulham and West Ham matches - you are nothing but a pack of c***ts!
You are not Liverpool fans in my eyes. Supporters support the team. We are top of the league and alredy out of our Champions League group - our best season to date in a decade yet you feel the need to deride the team because we didn't steam roll a couple of teams. Try getting behind the team you w**ks. Unfortunately, on my many visits to Anfield the most cringeworthy of fan carries an Irish accent.
Many day-trippers want Istanbul wrapped up in a nice package every time they visit. It does not work like that. It is a football team and a season, there are highs and lows.
To be fair Corn, I don't think the fans booed the team, they seemed to be supporting them all through the game, but when the final whistle went they booed. I think they were booing Rafa's strange, strange substitutions and selection.
I've said it many times, but Liverpool will not win the title while Dirk Kuyt is one of the creative players. I've been surprised, pleasantly, at some of the goals he's got, but I still believe he is the epitome of a hard working lad who will do a job for you. He should not be an automatic starter every week. He's just not good enough, and if he was at United or Chelsea he'd be playing the role that Park does for United.
Liverpool were completely bereft of ideas last night, and for Rafa to bring off Keane and Reira beggered belief.
Yes, Liverpool are top of the league, and yes it's been a vast improvement this season, but I'm very much afraid that when we reach February or March it'll be a case of what might have been. United, Chelsea and Arsenal are all losing games, and Liverpool with a bit more craft would be at least 6 points clear. I'm not saying Liverpool have a right to beat all these teams, but when the chances are there to gain ground on the other teams, you must take it.
When we look at the table in May, we'll be doing the old 'If we had beaten Fulham, Stoke and West Ham at Anfield, we'd have been a point ahead of United' routine again.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2008, 09:36:02 AM
To be fair Corn, I don't think the fans booed the team, they seemed to be supporting them all through the game, but when the final whistle went they booed. I think they were booing Rafa's strange, strange substitutions and selection.
I've said it many times, but Liverpool will not win the title while Dirk Kuyt is one of the creative players. I've been surprised, pleasantly, at some of the goals he's got, but I still believe he is the epitome of a hard working lad who will do a job for you. He should not be an automatic starter every week. He's just not good enough, and if he was at United or Chelsea he'd be playing the role that Park does for United.
Liverpool were completely bereft of ideas last night, and for Rafa to bring off Keane and Reira beggered belief.
Yes, Liverpool are top of the league, and yes it's been a vast improvement this season, but I'm very much afraid that when we reach February or March it'll be a case of what might have been. United, Chelsea and Arsenal are all losing games, and Liverpool with a bit more craft would be at least 6 points clear. I'm not saying Liverpool have a right to beat all these teams, but when the chances are there to gain ground on the other teams, you must take it.
When we look at the table in May, we'll be doing the old 'If we had beaten Fulham, Stoke and West Ham at Anfield, we'd have been a point ahead of United' routine again.
Fingers crossed :D :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2008, 09:36:02 AM
To be fair Corn, I don't think the fans booed the team, they seemed to be supporting them all through the game, but when the final whistle went they booed. I think they were booing Rafa's strange, strange substitutions and selection.
I've said it many times, but Liverpool will not win the title while Dirk Kuyt is one of the creative players. I've been surprised, pleasantly, at some of the goals he's got, but I still believe he is the epitome of a hard working lad who will do a job for you. He should not be an automatic starter every week. He's just not good enough, and if he was at United or Chelsea he'd be playing the role that Park does for United.
Liverpool were completely bereft of ideas last night, and for Rafa to bring off Keane and Reira beggered belief.
Yes, Liverpool are top of the league, and yes it's been a vast improvement this season, but I'm very much afraid that when we reach February or March it'll be a case of what might have been. United, Chelsea and Arsenal are all losing games, and Liverpool with a bit more craft would be at least 6 points clear. I'm not saying Liverpool have a right to beat all these teams, but when the chances are there to gain ground on the other teams, you must take it.
When we look at the table in May, we'll be doing the old 'If we had beaten Fulham, Stoke and West Ham at Anfield, we'd have been a point ahead of United' routine again.
These are the same people that booed Lucas form the off against Fulham. They are the people who sung for Alonso after 20 minutes instead of getting behind Lucas. They booed when Mascherano was taken off ahead of him, even though the Argentinian was as bad and had travelled from South America the previous week. They sapped all his confidence.
Keane was taken off last night because he was as poor as he has been all season. Play well and hyou wont be taken off.
Keane he was poor. Too much moaning as usual.
Couldnt believe Riera came off instead of Yossi. Neither where great, but Riera did more, bar the superb save from green denying yossi.
Dossena was not the worst player on the pitch surprisingly, he did alright, looked to overlap and a few decent crosses.
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2008, 09:36:02 AM
To be fair Corn, I don't think the fans booed the team, they seemed to be supporting them all through the game, but when the final whistle went they booed. I think they were booing Rafa's strange, strange substitutions and selection.
I've said it many times, but Liverpool will not win the title while Dirk Kuyt is one of the creative players. I've been surprised, pleasantly, at some of the goals he's got, but I still believe he is the epitome of a hard working lad who will do a job for you. He should not be an automatic starter every week. He's just not good enough, and if he was at United or Chelsea he'd be playing the role that Park does for United.
Liverpool were completely bereft of ideas last night, and for Rafa to bring off Keane and Reira beggered belief.
Yes, Liverpool are top of the league, and yes it's been a vast improvement this season, but I'm very much afraid that when we reach February or March it'll be a case of what might have been. United, Chelsea and Arsenal are all losing games, and Liverpool with a bit more craft would be at least 6 points clear. I'm not saying Liverpool have a right to beat all these teams, but when the chances are there to gain ground on the other teams, you must take it.
When we look at the table in May, we'll be doing the old 'If we had beaten Fulham, Stoke and West Ham at Anfield, we'd have been a point ahead of United' routine again.
These are the same people that booed Lucas form the off against Fulham. They are the people who sung for Alonso after 20 minutes instead of getting behind Lucas. They booed when Mascherano was taken off ahead of him, even though the Argentinian was as bad and had travelled from South America the previous week. They sapped all his confidence.
Keane was taken off last night because he was as poor as he has been all season. Play well and hyou wont be taken off.
Two things Corn, Keane cannot play up front by himself. Needs someone to work off. Second thing, bringing that useless little fcuker on, he should have left Keane on and brought on Babbel for that other useless fcuker Benayoun. It's bad when you can deliberately notice Gerrard not passing the ball to NGog. Noticed it against Athletic but more so last night!
Rafa is slowly but surely losing the title. Being top of the league or not top of the League, if you have aspirations to win the League you should be disposing of teams like West Ham when you are at home!
Quote from: Whacker on December 02, 2008, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2008, 09:36:02 AM
To be fair Corn, I don't think the fans booed the team, they seemed to be supporting them all through the game, but when the final whistle went they booed. I think they were booing Rafa's strange, strange substitutions and selection.
I've said it many times, but Liverpool will not win the title while Dirk Kuyt is one of the creative players. I've been surprised, pleasantly, at some of the goals he's got, but I still believe he is the epitome of a hard working lad who will do a job for you. He should not be an automatic starter every week. He's just not good enough, and if he was at United or Chelsea he'd be playing the role that Park does for United.
Liverpool were completely bereft of ideas last night, and for Rafa to bring off Keane and Reira beggered belief.
Yes, Liverpool are top of the league, and yes it's been a vast improvement this season, but I'm very much afraid that when we reach February or March it'll be a case of what might have been. United, Chelsea and Arsenal are all losing games, and Liverpool with a bit more craft would be at least 6 points clear. I'm not saying Liverpool have a right to beat all these teams, but when the chances are there to gain ground on the other teams, you must take it.
When we look at the table in May, we'll be doing the old 'If we had beaten Fulham, Stoke and West Ham at Anfield, we'd have been a point ahead of United' routine again.
These are the same people that booed Lucas form the off against Fulham. They are the people who sung for Alonso after 20 minutes instead of getting behind Lucas. They booed when Mascherano was taken off ahead of him, even though the Argentinian was as bad and had travelled from South America the previous week. They sapped all his confidence.
Keane was taken off last night because he was as poor as he has been all season. Play well and hyou wont be taken off.
Two things Corn, Keane cannot play up front by himself. Needs someone to work off. Second thing, bringing that useless little fcuker on, he should have left Keane on and brought on Babbel for that other useless fcuker Benayoun. It's bad when you can deliberately notice Gerrard not passing the ball to NGog. Noticed it against Athletic but more so last night!
Rafa is slowly but surely losing the title. Being top of the league or not top of the League, if you have aspirations to win the League you should be disposing of teams like West Ham when you are at home!
What a load of bullshit.
Keane had Kuyt and then Gerrard playing off him at different times, what does he want, someone sucking his thmb?
Can yo utell me what you are basing the "useless little f**ker" statement on? Have you seen much of N'Gog to make a judgement? Rafa sees him every day at Melwood, you have seen about 20 minutes of him. Also, what exactly has Babel done that makes him such a viable option?
Someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning! ;D
Kuyt?? Wouldnt exactly call that a strike partner now would you Corn?? ;D
Well he has hit a lot more goals from the right wing this season than Keane has up front.
Takes the bait!! ;D
In all fainess Corn, Ngog wouldnt get a sniff and Man United Arsenal Villa etc, the list goes on. Looking at him everyday or not looking at him every day in Melwood, poor to say the least!!
Quote from: Whacker on December 02, 2008, 10:46:49 AM
Takes the bait!! ;D
In all fainess Corn, Ngog wouldnt get a sniff and Man United Arsenal Villa etc, the list goes on. Looking at him everyday or not looking at him every day in Melwood, poor to say the least!!
So danny wellbeck is already a top class player?
Miroslav Stoch is definately the real deal?
Both players have played at man u and chelsea recently.
Quote from: Whacker on December 02, 2008, 10:46:49 AM
Takes the bait!! ;D
In all fainess Corn, Ngog wouldnt get a sniff and Man United Arsenal Villa etc, the list goes on. Looking at him everyday or not looking at him every day in Melwood, poor to say the least!!
I take your point, but I am going to give a boy a chance before wiritng him off as shite. We have barely seen the player. Keane wouldn't get a sniff at United or Chelse the way he is playing so swings and roundabouts.
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: Whacker on December 02, 2008, 10:46:49 AM
Takes the bait!! ;D
In all fainess Corn, Ngog wouldnt get a sniff and Man United Arsenal Villa etc, the list goes on. Looking at him everyday or not looking at him every day in Melwood, poor to say the least!!
I take your point, but I am going to give a boy a chance before wiritng him off as shite. We have barely seen the player. Keane wouldn't get a sniff at United or Chelse the way he is playing so swings and roundabouts.
True, because Malouda is sooooo much better.
I take the point about N'gog not impressing but Benitez sees him every day, i wonder about Babel and where he figures in Benitez plans, i dont think he fancies him at all. You would think we would be getting more from him at this stage that 20 mins here and there. In fairness when he has started he hasnt impressed.
Quote from: Minder on December 02, 2008, 11:09:46 AM
I take the point about N'gog not impressing but Benitez sees him every day, i wonder about Babel and where he figures in Benitez plans, i dont think he fancies him at all. You would think we would be getting more from him at this stage that 20 mins here and there. In fairness when he has started he hasnt impressed.
Babel has regressed or stalled at best. He can be explosive in minimal occassions, but he has no work-ethic. Reminds me a bit of Cisse in his thinking too.
He has to be played regularly to be given a chance!
Babel can be a bit of a headless chicken at times, but to be fair he hasnt really been given much of a chance.
Surely the said can be said of N'Gog then?
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
Surely the said can be said of N'Gog then?
Ngog is a few years younger & hasnt as much experience, so I wouldnt be expecting as much from him just yet
Any time Babel has started he has been anonymous.
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
Surely the said can be said of N'Gog then?
He's only 19, & Liverpool paid £1.5 mill??
Babel is a couple of years older & cost 10 times that much... he needs to be starting now!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 02, 2008, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
Surely the said can be said of N'Gog then?
He's only 19, & Liverpool paid £1.5 mill??
Babel is a couple of years older & cost 10 times that much... he needs to be starting now!
With all due respect, Rafa said he wasn't buying N'Gog for the future he was buying him as a first team player.
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 02, 2008, 12:04:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 11:56:35 AM
Surely the said can be said of N'Gog then?
He's only 19, & Liverpool paid £1.5 mill??
Babel is a couple of years older & cost 10 times that much... he needs to be starting now!
With all due respect, Rafa said he wasn't buying N'Gog for the future he was buying him as a first team player.
Why did he buy Babel then?
Same reason. That is why I am saying you can't claim Babel needs a chance and N'Gog doesn't.
Ngog from the little I've seen in him isn't good enough and won't be good enough. He is fairly quick alright but has the physical presence of a 10 year old girl and the ball constantly bounces off him. Keane didn't have a good first half but actually seemed to be coming into the game somewhat when Rafa subbed him. Riera was poor last night and I have no problem with his substitution. Babel why still prone to losing the ball at least has a capacity to make things happen. After he came on last night he nearly scored within five minutes.
In a way I guess we are a little spoiled. We are top of the league at the beginning of December having played most of the first half of the season without Torres. I think there is just disappointment and frustration that we are not 6 or 7 points clear and in an even stronger position given the dropped points at home.
Liverpool are starting to become a worry. They've been playing poorly for the most part but are still top of the league. normally a united trait in recent times. it will be an interesting season though i do expect the bin dippers to fall off.
my reasoning for thinking they'll fall away is that rafa has gone against his natural instincts. in previous seasons he has rotated heavily prechristmas to have a fresh squad for the business end of the season. it was a policy which worked fantastically well at valencia. obviously that gamble has left them too far back in the league but the results have definitely been there during that period in the last few years. it has contributed heavily to their champions league progress. they have squeezed through orechristmas and then come string for the knock out stages.
The fat controller is in new territory now and probably gambling a bit. so far so good for him but can his squad sustain results over the busy christmas period, then kee running when the fa cup and champions league come on line? i don't think so
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
To the Liverpool fans who booed at Fulham and West Ham matches - you are nothing but a pack of c***ts!
You are not Liverpool fans in my eyes. Supporters support the team. We are top of the league and alredy out of our Champions League group - our best season to date in a decade yet you feel the need to deride the team because we didn't steam roll a couple of teams. Try getting behind the team you w**ks. Unfortunately, on my many visits to Anfield the most cringeworthy of fan carries an Irish accent.
Many day-trippers want Istanbul wrapped up in a nice package every time they visit. It does not work like that. It is a football team and a season, there are highs and lows.
Good post. The bit in bold is completely true of the few visits I've had to Old Trafford too.
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
To the Liverpool fans who booed at Fulham and West Ham matches - you are nothing but a pack of c***ts!
You are not Liverpool fans in my eyes. Supporters support the team. We are top of the league and alredy out of our Champions League group - our best season to date in a decade yet you feel the need to deride the team because we didn't steam roll a couple of teams. Try getting behind the team you w**ks. Unfortunately, on my many visits to Anfield the most cringeworthy of fan carries an Irish accent.
Many day-trippers want Istanbul wrapped up in a nice package every time they visit. It does not work like that. It is a football team and a season, there are highs and lows.
a pack of c**ts who pay hand over fist to watch their team play...they have every right to boo if so wish to, they are paying for the privilege. their reason for paying to watch liverpool is due to their unconditional love of the club, not the present manager or players.
i personally lost faith in Benetiz a couple of years ago...each new signing was to be the great white hope, 99% failed to deliver. Torres, Alonso, Carra, Gerrard, Mash...the rest average players...Benayoun, Aurelio, Voronin etc etc etc etc...these useless hooers playing in a red shirt is a slap in the face to many fans who have followed and will continue to follow Liverpool
I travel over to about a dozen games a year, have so for a long time, nothing like the feeling of walking under the Shankly gates into the ground..but, I've never booed and dont think I ever would, not the Liverpool way(for the big majority)...but a 3rd place finish will be our gettings again this year..time for Benetiz to move on
PQ
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 10:30:26 AM
Also, what exactly has Babel done that makes him such a viable option?
you obviously were not sitting in the ground for the Arsenal champions league game......
Quote from: peterquaife on December 02, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 10:30:26 AM
Also, what exactly has Babel done that makes him such a viable option?
you obviously were not sitting in the ground for the Arsenal champions league game......
He came on as a sub in an ideal situation for him, when the game was stretched he could use his pace. If he does not start to get a run of games now with Torres out and Keane playing like a pub player he never will. From now until the end of the season will probably shape whether he has a career at Liverpool or not. Personally i would play him up front for a run of games, if Keane has to take a seat for a few games so be it.
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
To the Liverpool fans who booed at Fulham and West Ham matches - you are nothing but a pack of c***ts!
You are not Liverpool fans in my eyes. Supporters support the team. We are top of the league and alredy out of our Champions League group - our best season to date in a decade yet you feel the need to deride the team because we didn't steam roll a couple of teams. Try getting behind the team you w**ks. Unfortunately, on my many visits to Anfield the most cringeworthy of fan carries an Irish accent.
Many day-trippers want Istanbul wrapped up in a nice package every time they visit. It does not work like that. It is a football team and a season, there are highs and lows.
Good post. Liverpool have had an awful month (usual November as it turns out!), yet they are sitting top of the league and through to the knockout stage in Europe. Yes, the last few games have been worrying because of the paucity of goals, but every team goes through sticky patches. Assuming they stay in touch (as they have done to date because the others have also dropped points), there is no reason why Liverpool can't maintain a challenge. They've put impressive runs together several times during 2008 already, so why shouldn't they do it again?
Quote from: peterquaife on December 02, 2008, 06:00:17 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 10:30:26 AM
Also, what exactly has Babel done that makes him such a viable option?
you obviously were not sitting in the ground for the Arsenal champions league game......
As I said that was last season he has regressed by the looks of things. By the way one goal does not make you an instant starter.
Quote from: peterquaife on December 02, 2008, 05:56:29 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
To the Liverpool fans who booed at Fulham and West Ham matches - you are nothing but a pack of c***ts!
You are not Liverpool fans in my eyes. Supporters support the team. We are top of the league and alredy out of our Champions League group - our best season to date in a decade yet you feel the need to deride the team because we didn't steam roll a couple of teams. Try getting behind the team you w**ks. Unfortunately, on my many visits to Anfield the most cringeworthy of fan carries an Irish accent.
Many day-trippers want Istanbul wrapped up in a nice package every time they visit. It does not work like that. It is a football team and a season, there are highs and lows.
i personally lost faith in Benetiz a couple of years ago...each new signing was to be the great white hope, 99% failed to deliver. Torres, Alonso, Carra, Gerrard, Mash...the rest average players...Benayoun, Aurelio, Voronin etc etc etc etc...these useless hooers playing in a red shirt is a slap in the face to many fans who have followed and will continue to follow Liverpool
PQ
They may pay hand over foot but if they boo, they are not real fans. It is a football match, not a pantomine.
Your old maths isn't too good if you list those players and then say 99% are a failure. Every manager has hits and misses. Look at Fegusons signings over the years, it's part of football. The one thing I will say fior Rafa, is a player is not working out after a season, he is quick to get rid, usually for about the same price.
Fantastic stuff, we sit top of the tree and you are calling for his head, you knowledge astounds me. You lost faith in him a couple of years ago? When in his first season or what. This is his fourth season in charge, so a couple of years ago is at least two. So you lost faith in him when he won the Champions League or the first year he got to rebuild the team (which he brought in Reina, Kuyt abd Alonso) might I add.
Also I was not defending Rafa's sub the other night, I too would have had Babel ahead of NGog on the very limited amount I have seen of both this season. Just defending a man being written off as shite by people whop have seen a mere 10 minutes of him.
Quote from: corn02 on December 03, 2008, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: peterquaife on December 02, 2008, 05:56:29 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
To the Liverpool fans who booed at Fulham and West Ham matches - you are nothing but a pack of c***ts!
You are not Liverpool fans in my eyes. Supporters support the team. We are top of the league and alredy out of our Champions League group - our best season to date in a decade yet you feel the need to deride the team because we didn't steam roll a couple of teams. Try getting behind the team you w**ks. Unfortunately, on my many visits to Anfield the most cringeworthy of fan carries an Irish accent.
Many day-trippers want Istanbul wrapped up in a nice package every time they visit. It does not work like that. It is a football team and a season, there are highs and lows.
i personally lost faith in Benetiz a couple of years ago...each new signing was to be the great white hope, 99% failed to deliver. Torres, Alonso, Carra, Gerrard, Mash...the rest average players...Benayoun, Aurelio, Voronin etc etc etc etc...these useless hooers playing in a red shirt is a slap in the face to many fans who have followed and will continue to follow Liverpool
PQ
They may pay hand over foot but if they boo, they are not real fans. It is a football match, not a pantomine.
Your old maths isn't too good if you list those players and then say 99% are a failure. Every manager has hits and misses. Look at Fegusons signings over the years, it's part of football. The one thing I will say fior Rafa, is a player is not working out after a season, he is quick to get rid, usually for about the same price.
Fantastic stuff, we sit top of the tree and you are calling for his head, you knowledge astounds me. You lost faith in him a couple of years ago? When in his first season or what. This is his fourth season in charge, so a couple of years ago is at least two. So you lost faith in him when he won the Champions League or the first year he got to rebuild the team (which he brought in Reina, Kuyt abd Alonso) might I add.
I'd say its his 5th year in charge
what percentage of good players has he bought compared to brock, much much more misses than hits?
pantomine at times alright
sitting top of the tree at the start of dec will be a distant memory come May (i sincerely hope I'm wrong by the way) utd and chelsea have had a few blips but will get stronger, the squad rafa has built wont...as some one mentioned earlier in the thread, any player can get fired up for the big games (utd and chelsea wins, and long overdue) and win them, but to win consistantly has been the problem for near 2 decades
look, I like rafa, am I less of fan than yourself for not sticking my head in the sand? things need changing ....
PQ
Interestingly, if you compare our points tally this season so far, against the points we got against the same teams last season (obviously replace the 3 relegated teams with the 3 promoted one), then we have not improved at all. The 9 points we've gained by beating United, Chelsea, Man City & Wigan have been wiped out by draws against Villa, Fulham, West Ham (-6 pts) & the defeat to Spurs (-3 pts).
The main reason we are top of the table in december is because Chelsea & United have being below par. And we'll only still be in with a shout for the title if those 2 teams continue to drop points. However I have my doubts that both those teams will continue to struggle.
As for Benitez, I really dont think anyone could have done much more than him during his time at Liverpool. Look at the points total by the league winners in Rafa's 4 years - Chelsea 95pts, Chelsea 91pts, United 89pts United 87pts. That total by Chelsea in Jose's first season was just unbelievable and the next 3 years were again tallys that Liverpool couldnt live with, no matter who was in charge. Yes, Rafa has made mistakes but the same can be said from every other manager. He is getting closer, if only by inches, and getting rid of him now would be going back to square 1. The most successful teams in the PL have been arsenal & united and its certainly no coincidence that they have the longest serving managers. While I think Rafa makes very strange decisions at times, there is no doubt that his focus now lies with the PL and I think, given more time, he can deliver.
If you want rid of Benitez, then you'd better have a good alternative in mind.
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 03, 2008, 11:09:47 AM
Interestingly, if you compare our points tally this season so far, against the points we got against the same teams last season (obviously replace the 3 relegated teams with the 3 promoted one), then we have not improved at all. The 9 points we've gained by beating United, Chelsea, Man City & Wigan have been wiped out by draws against Villa, Fulham, West Ham (-6 pts) & the defeat to Spurs (-3 pts).
The main reason we are top of the table in december is because Chelsea & United have being below par. And we'll only still be in with a shout for the title if those 2 teams continue to drop points. However I have my doubts that both those teams will continue to struggle.
As for Benitez, I really dont think anyone could have done much more than him during his time at Liverpool. Look at the points total by the league winners in Rafa's 4 years - Chelsea 95pts, Chelsea 91pts, United 89pts United 87pts. That total by Chelsea in Jose's first season was just unbelievable and the next 3 years were again tallys that Liverpool couldnt live with, no matter who was in charge. Yes, Rafa has made mistakes but the same can be said from every other manager. He is getting closer, if only by inches, and getting rid of him now would be going back to square 1. The most successful teams in the PL have been arsenal & united and its certainly no coincidence that they have the longest serving managers. While I think Rafa makes very strange decisions at times, there is no doubt that his focus now lies with the PL and I think, given more time, he can deliver.
If you want rid of Benitez, then you'd better have a good alternative in mind.
Good post.
Quote from: peterquaife on December 03, 2008, 10:56:28 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 03, 2008, 10:16:52 AM
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Quote from: corn02 on December 02, 2008, 09:21:16 AM
To the Liverpool fans who booed at Fulham and West Ham matches - you are nothing but a pack of c***ts!
You are not Liverpool fans in my eyes. Supporters support the team. We are top of the league and alredy out of our Champions League group - our best season to date in a decade yet you feel the need to deride the team because we didn't steam roll a couple of teams. Try getting behind the team you w**ks. Unfortunately, on my many visits to Anfield the most cringeworthy of fan carries an Irish accent.
Many day-trippers want Istanbul wrapped up in a nice package every time they visit. It does not work like that. It is a football team and a season, there are highs and lows.
i personally lost faith in Benetiz a couple of years ago...each new signing was to be the great white hope, 99% failed to deliver. Torres, Alonso, Carra, Gerrard, Mash...the rest average players...Benayoun, Aurelio, Voronin etc etc etc etc...these useless hooers playing in a red shirt is a slap in the face to many fans who have followed and will continue to follow Liverpool
PQ
They may pay hand over foot but if they boo, they are not real fans. It is a football match, not a pantomine.
Your old maths isn't too good if you list those players and then say 99% are a failure. Every manager has hits and misses. Look at Fegusons signings over the years, it's part of football. The one thing I will say fior Rafa, is a player is not working out after a season, he is quick to get rid, usually for about the same price.
Fantastic stuff, we sit top of the tree and you are calling for his head, you knowledge astounds me. You lost faith in him a couple of years ago? When in his first season or what. This is his fourth season in charge, so a couple of years ago is at least two. So you lost faith in him when he won the Champions League or the first year he got to rebuild the team (which he brought in Reina, Kuyt abd Alonso) might I add.
I'd say its his 5th year in charge
what percentage of good players has he bought compared to brock, much much more misses than hits?
pantomine at times alright
sitting top of the tree at the start of dec will be a distant memory come May (i sincerely hope I'm wrong by the way) utd and chelsea have had a few blips but will get stronger, the squad rafa has built wont...as some one mentioned earlier in the thread, any player can get fired up for the big games (utd and chelsea wins, and long overdue) and win them, but to win consistantly has been the problem for near 2 decades
look, I like rafa, am I less of fan than yourself for not sticking my head in the sand? things need changing ....
PQ
I don't know who Brockis, I can only assume it is Ferguson. In that case you would see that Ferguson and Rafa would have a very similar ratio of hits and misses.
Here is what I think is our best team at the momet.
Reina
Arbeloa Carragher Skertl Aurelio
Kuyt Mascherano Alonso Reira
Gerrad Torres.
Keane narrowly misses out.
Nine Rafa signings and two locals. Not bad in four and a quarter seasons. Certainly makes a mockery of your 99% failur and pantomien assertions.
Sir you are the one with your head in the sand if you do not appreciate that we are top of the league and safely through in Europe. If someone said that to you at the start of the season you would have bit their hand off for it, deny this and you are a liar.
Fantastic season so far and all you can do is say that we are going to mess up. So you are wanting Rafa removed for a hypotehtical scenario - brilliant.
I see this young lad had a stormer for the youth team last night in the FA Youth Cup
If he's anything like his old man - he'll be good
(http://i34.tinypic.com/f35i1h.jpg)
who is he Gab? John Barnes's son?
Young Tom Ince - left winger
QuoteFantastic season so far and all you can do is say that we are going to mess up
Fantastic is stretching it. Held at home by Stoke Fulham and the hammers is unforgivable in my book.
Yes they went to Chelsea and won but an Arsenal team in seemingly disarray done the same thing thus taking the gloss of what Pool did.
They have won games late which, although admirable in their never say die attitude, they scarcely deserved
I for one am not happy with the way Benitez sets his team up. Everything is structured and mechanical and he wont thrust the players ability to express themselves. At times it awful to watch and is denying players with real talent the opportunity to shine.
As much as I hate to say it I cant see us winning the PL with Rafa in charge due to the sterile nature of his management style. As for an alternative.. Frank Rijkaard.
Football played the right way and a tough nut to boot.
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 03, 2008, 10:27:43 PM
QuoteFantastic season so far and all you can do is say that we are going to mess up
Fantastic is stretching it. Held at home by Stoke Fulham and the hammers is unforgivable in my book.
Yes they went to Chelsea and won but an Arsenal team in seemingly disarray done the same thing thus taking the gloss of what Pool did.
They have won games late which, although admirable in their never say die attitude, they scarcely deserved
I for one am not happy with the way Benitez sets his team up. Everything is structured and mechanical and he wont thrust the players ability to express themselves. At times it awful to watch and is denying players with real talent the opportunity to shine.
As much as I hate to say it I cant see us winning the PL with Rafa in charge due to the sterile nature of his management style. As for an alternative.. Frank Rijkaard.
Football played the right way and a tough nut to boot.
Rijkaard, thats hilarious. Look at the squad he had at Barca and managed to make an absolute shambles of it. If you just want football played the right way sure go one better and get Gullit in instead.
BENITEZ/BENEITZ/BENETIZ OUT!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111
Lucas gets a shake.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/3546584/Liverpool-captain-Steven-Gerrard-flattens-Lucas-Leiva-during-Melwood-training-session-Football.html?MLC=/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/article&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox//
Hopefully Stevie has a few more boys on his hit list to show what it takes.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/12/03/steven-gerrard-handed-1m-flat-in-dubai-100252-22394372/
Just what he needs, a free flat :o
He's probably heard the Liverpool fans singing "We all live in a Robbie Fowler house" and wanted to get in on the act.
Quote from: under the bar on December 04, 2008, 08:33:12 AM
He's probably heard the Liverpool fans singing "We all live in a Robbie Fowler house" and wanted to get in on the act.
There will be very few scouse fans singing they live in an apartment in Dubai ;)
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 03, 2008, 10:27:43 PM
QuoteFantastic season so far and all you can do is say that we are going to mess up
Fantastic is stretching it. Held at home by Stoke Fulham and the hammers is unforgivable in my book.
Yes they went to Chelsea and won but an Arsenal team in seemingly disarray done the same thing thus taking the gloss of what Pool did.
They have won games late which, although admirable in their never say die attitude, they scarcely deserved
I for one am not happy with the way Benitez sets his team up. Everything is structured and mechanical and he wont thrust the players ability to express themselves. At times it awful to watch and is denying players with real talent the opportunity to shine.
As much as I hate to say it I cant see us winning the PL with Rafa in charge due to the sterile nature of his management style. As for an alternative.. Frank Rijkaard.
Football played the right way and a tough nut to boot.
So safely through in Europe and top of the league in Decemeber is not fantastic. If you want I can go back to our posts at the start of August and take our thoughts on the season ahead?
Torres out for another two weeks.
Torres out for longer than expected
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7764335.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7764335.stm)
QuoteLiverpool striker Fernando Torres looks set for an increased injury lay-off because of a damaged hamstring.
Torres, 24, had been expected to be out of action for two weeks but has now been told by specialists that he will be out for at least four weeks.
The Spaniard suffered the injury during the Champions League victory against Marseille at Anfield on 26 November.
"We first said two to three weeks but do not want to put a time on it now," said Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez.
"He will come back when he is ready. We will not rush him back.
"We want to resolve this problem once and for all and we will make sure we do that."
Torres has been plagued by hamstring problems over the past 18 months, suffering the injury five times in that period.
Liverpool are currently analysing his training schedule with both club and country in an attempt to resolve the problem.
Benitez had questioned the Spain training regime and believes it could be the cause of his injury.
"He has been injured now three times while with the national team and it is something we have to analyse," he stated.
"We knew they were doing something that is maybe not the best for the player."
It had been hoped he would return by mid December but Torres will now miss Premier League games against Blackburn, Hull, Arsenal and Bolton and Tuesday's Champions League tie against PSV Eindhoven.
He could return for the trip to Newcastle on 28 December.
Liverpool have struggled in recent weeks in the absence of last season's top scorer, with new signing Robbie Keane still finding his form since his £20m move from Tottenham in the summer.
The Reds currently top the Premier League but have drawn their last two home games without scoring a goal.
Torres himself is committed to returning to the side to boost their title credentials.
He said: "The only thing to do is to get on with the rehabilitation and make sure that I come back when I am ready and not too soon."
Feck.
Really hope Keane can pull his finger out.
Hes been poor recently, too much finger wagging and complaining, but he has the ability to put a run together.
Quote from: nifan on December 04, 2008, 11:14:46 AM
Feck.
Really hope Keane can pull his finger out.
Hes been poor recently, too much finger wagging and complaining, but he has the ability to put a run together.
He seems to be feeling sorry for himself too. He needs to get the head up and get stuck in, we can't afford to having him sulking round the place.
Quote from: Chrisowc on December 04, 2008, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: nifan on December 04, 2008, 11:14:46 AM
Feck.
Really hope Keane can pull his finger out.
Hes been poor recently, too much finger wagging and complaining, but he has the ability to put a run together.
He seems to be feeling sorry for himself too. He needs to get the head up and get stuck in, we can't afford to having him sulking round the place.
He is sulking, but it is probably furstration with himself. Tevez got four last night, it should change his season. Keane has had false dawns against West Brom, Athletico and PSV. But I believe a goal on Saturday could be key.
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on December 04, 2008, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: nifan on December 04, 2008, 11:14:46 AM
Feck.
Really hope Keane can pull his finger out.
Hes been poor recently, too much finger wagging and complaining, but he has the ability to put a run together.
He seems to be feeling sorry for himself too. He needs to get the head up and get stuck in, we can't afford to having him sulking round the place.
He is sulking, but it is probably furstration with himself. Tevez got four last night, it should change his season. Keane has had false dawns against West Brom, Athletico and PSV. But I believe a goal on Saturday could be key.
In fairness to Keane it must be frustrating to be hauled off after 60mins in every game and to see Djimi Traore wannabes coming on to replace you.
I would love to see a Babel/Keane partnership up front until El Nino comes back
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 04, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on December 04, 2008, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: nifan on December 04, 2008, 11:14:46 AM
Feck.
Really hope Keane can pull his finger out.
Hes been poor recently, too much finger wagging and complaining, but he has the ability to put a run together.
He seems to be feeling sorry for himself too. He needs to get the head up and get stuck in, we can't afford to having him sulking round the place.
He is sulking, but it is probably furstration with himself. Tevez got four last night, it should change his season. Keane has had false dawns against West Brom, Athletico and PSV. But I believe a goal on Saturday could be key.
In fairness to Keane it must be frustrating to be hauled off after 60mins in every game and to see Djimi Traore wannabes coming on to replace you.
I would love to see a Babel/Keane partnership up front until El Nino comes back
Here is a solution. Stop playing shit. I know the service was bad the other night, but he has been awful. I believe N'Gog would have scored at least one of the ones Keane missed.
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Hyypia, Insua, Benayoun, Mascherano, Alonso, Babel, Gerrard, Kuyt.
Subs: Cavalieri, Keane, Dossena, Agger, Riera, Lucas, El Zhar.
Few surprises in there
Unreal team isnt it! Im excited! Hope it doesnt backfire.
QuoteTorres out for longer than expected
I head from a mate in Liverpool 2 weeks ago when Torres was injured that it was much more than a normal hamstring. Rumour is the tendon/ligment is detached and will take months rather than weeks to heal
Werid team, different. Not sure in a good way or a bad way. Babel and Yossi have to step up. Gerrard in the advanced role is crucial in these types of games. Hyypia in isno problem, he 'll be ojk I would imagine.
Any streams?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on December 06, 2008, 02:36:13 PM
QuoteTorres out for longer than expected
I head from a mate in Liverpool 2 weeks ago when Torres was injured that it was much more than a normal hamstring. Rumour is the tendon/ligment is detached and will take months rather than weeks to heal
Well rumour has it that the six weeks thing is bullshit and he may be back for Arsenal.
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=25787&part=sports
use the first sopcast link
cant get any links workin at all. any help??
Nice second goal from Benayoun. Should be three points at 2-0 up, but this has been a very workmanlike performance from Liverpool. Not complaining about winning away to Blackburn though (assuming disaster doesn't strike in the last ten!). Hopefully this will get things moving again, but the goals are still a big worry.
2-1
Arbeloa sleeping at the back post, allows Santa Cruz in for (hopefully) a consoliation goal.
Oops... Liverpool asleep at a corner. 2-1, Santa Cruz, five minutes left.
3-1 at the end of injury - Liverpool catch them on the break and Gerrard slots it in with Robinson stranded.
3-1 good win at a usually tough away game.
Very good in the second half after a ruderless first. Midfield ean the show in the second. Insua and Hyypia very good.
Jaysus that was hard to watch. All I can say is thank fook for the 3 points
Official gave Kuyt the man of the match award. He was a brilliant outlet today, but Alonso was probably the best for me.
Quote from: corn02 on December 06, 2008, 05:40:15 PM
Official gave Kuyt the man of the match award. He was a brilliant outlet today, but Alonso was probably the best for me.
Thought Sami had a great game, wasn't too much else to shout about. Babel did himself no favours with a nothing performance. El Zhar once again looked lively when coming on
Quote from: gawa316 on December 06, 2008, 05:50:39 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 06, 2008, 05:40:15 PM
Official gave Kuyt the man of the match award. He was a brilliant outlet today, but Alonso was probably the best for me.
Thought Sami had a great game, wasn't too much else to shout about. Babel did himself no favours with a nothing performance. El Zhar once again looked lively when coming on
Sami and Insua were very good. I though it was a very good performance, did you not?
Quote from: corn02 on December 06, 2008, 05:51:41 PM
Sami and Insua were very good. I though it was a very good performance, did you not?
Not really, up until we scored we only created a couple of chances. I found myself giving out and tutting every couple of minutes due to our lack of penetration and creativity. Think the score line definitely flattered us and we played far better on monday night but only came away with a point
Quote from: gawa316 on December 06, 2008, 06:09:27 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 06, 2008, 05:51:41 PM
Sami and Insua were very good. I though it was a very good performance, did you not?
Not really, up until we scored we only created a couple of chances. I found myself giving out and tutting every couple of minutes due to our lack of penetration and creativity. Think the score line definitely flattered us and we played far better on monday night but only came away with a point
Yeah true that is football for you. I thought we did well. First half a bit sluggish but we lived in their half in the second.
Quote from: corn02 on December 06, 2008, 06:18:33 PM
we lived in their half in the second.
Can see that being a recurring theme for us against the lesser teams in the remainder of the season.
Was watching soccer saturday this morning and they mentioned us being top of the league with keane being out of form and torres being injured for half of it. If we could both them firing we would have a great chance.
Yeah we are still top, s eason is going well. Three points against Hull would have us flying.
Quote from: Niall Quinn on November 30, 2008, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: Niall Quinn on November 08, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
Interesting that the bookies have us third favourites for the title, even after today's results:
Chelsea 4/5 Bet
Man Utd 3/1 Bet
Liverpool 4/1 Bet
Arsenal 10/1 Bet
Aston Villa 125/1 Bet
(from bet365.com)
Chelsea no longer odds on, and have yet to travel to Old Trafford, the Emirates, and Anfield.
Utd will be delighted that they're in touch, despite having had an awful run of fixtures.
A win tomorrow for Liverpool will see them top the table in December - something I've not said since 1990 ish..
Chelsea 11/10 Bet
Man Utd 9/4 Bet
Liverpool 3/1 Bet
Arsenal 20/1 Bet
Aston Villa 150/1
Chelsea 11/10 Bet
Man Utd 7/4 Bet
Liverpool 4/1 Bet
Arsenal 14/1 Bet
Should have taken Arsenal at 20/1 last week!
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Should have taken Arsenal at 20/1 last week!
No way you can lose to Hull, Stoke and Fulham and still win the league. The best the arse can do is keep beatin chelski and the scum and help us win the league
Alonso was class yesterday in a poor enough performance. A real shame Liverpool didn't get rid of him in the summer from my point of view!
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2008, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Should have taken Arsenal at 20/1 last week!
No way you can lose to Hull, Stoke and Fulham and still win the league. The best the arse can do is keep beatin chelski and the scum and help us win the league
::)
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2008, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Should have taken Arsenal at 20/1 last week!
No way you can lose to Hull, Stoke and Fulham and still win the league. The best the arse can do is keep beatin chelski and the scum and help us win the league
::)
What's wrong TAC?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 07, 2008, 05:25:55 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2008, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Should have taken Arsenal at 20/1 last week!
No way you can lose to Hull, Stoke and Fulham and still win the league. The best the arse can do is keep beatin chelski and the scum and help us win the league
::)
What's wrong TAC?
Calling a set of people "scum" because of who they support or play for is a bit immature and pathetic, would you not agree?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 07, 2008, 05:25:55 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2008, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Should have taken Arsenal at 20/1 last week!
No way you can lose to Hull, Stoke and Fulham and still win the league. The best the arse can do is keep beatin chelski and the scum and help us win the league
::)
What's wrong TAC?
Calling a set of people "scum" because of who they support or play for is a bit immature and pathetic, would you not agree?
f**k sake get over yourself. In that case is it okay to associate Liverpool fc with stealing etc?
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 07, 2008, 05:25:55 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 07, 2008, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 07, 2008, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 06, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Should have taken Arsenal at 20/1 last week!
No way you can lose to Hull, Stoke and Fulham and still win the league. The best the arse can do is keep beatin chelski and the scum and help us win the league
::)
What's wrong TAC?
Calling a set of people "scum" because of who they support or play for is a bit immature and pathetic, would you not agree?
Seems to be the done thing on this board though, whichever team is being addressed.
Squad for tomorrow's game
Liverpool (from): Reina, Cavalieri, Kelly, Dossena, Agger, Riera, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Benayoun, Keane, Arbeloa, Babel, Lucas, Carragher, Ngog, Spearing, Darby.
Think I;d go for
Reina
Darby, Carra, Agger, Dossena
Benayoun, Lucas, Spearing, Riera
Babel, Keane
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 07, 2008, 05:22:33 PM
Alonso was class yesterday in a poor enough performance. A real shame Liverpool didn't get rid of him in the summer from my point of view!
Amen to that. Kuyt and Reina have been superb but Alonso has been player of the year for me. I am very fond of Barry and I think he is a class act, but I never wanted Alonso to go.
The whole saga has given him the kick up the arse he needed and with his pride questioned, a fire was lit under him. Last season he was quite lethargic by his own personal standards. He still done immesnse donkey work, but there were fewer raking passes like the exhibition he gave at Bolton a few weeks back. The rise of Mascherano also over-shadowed him, but, dare I say it, Alonso could be the key cog to a continued title push, or one of the key men.
QuoteRyan Babel's agent claims the Liverpool winger has failed in a bid to engineer a loan move back to Ajax.
Babel moved from the Amsterdammers to Liverpool in July 2007 but has been unable to hold down a regular starting place at Anfield.
He has made 17 appearances in all competitions this season but the majority of those have come off the bench.
According to his agent Winnie Haatrecht, the 21-year-old would relish a temporary return to Holland in January but Liverpool dismissed the possibility out of hand.
"Ryan finds that he sits on the bench too much at Liverpool, he wants to play more and asked me to see if Ajax were interested in a temporary return," Haatrecht told Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf.
"After we got an enthusiastic reaction from Ajax, we asked Liverpool for their co-operation but the club don't want to see him go.
"Rafael Benitez finds Ryan too important. Hopefully we will see that in more playing time.
"Let's be clear: Ryan feels great at Liverpool, but for him to develop further he needs to get playing time."
How much did babel cost?
11.5m round half of what they paid for keane. Neither have proved to be worth that money YET.
team according to RAWK
Cavalieri
Arbeloa
Carragher
Agger
Dossena
Babel
Lucas
Mascherano
Riera
N'gog
Keane
Nice to see Babel gettin a round out on the right. Thought Darby should've started cause Arbeloa had played a lot of footy lately and has a lot coming up
I'm expecting some comedy capers at the back tonight with Dossena and Cavalieri on the pitch.
match not on itv or rte2.anyone know where you can see it??
Quote from: charlie stubbs on December 09, 2008, 07:14:08 PM
match not on itv or rte2.anyone know where you can see it??
ITV 4
some goal from Riera
Well done Albert
Fair fucks to N'Gog, he looked pretty useless for long parts. Great ball by Keane
Well taken Ngog, good pass by Keane.
Not too bad. Top the group and all after Atletico only drawing.
Thought Keane had a good 2nd half,If Babel hadn't been so selfish Keane might have got one himself.
Thought that was a great second half from us. Lucas played really well as did Dossena. we played with ten men until Ngog finally got his act together around the 70 mark. keane had a great second, felt a bit for him when it wasn't going his way. Nice to see the 3 local lads get some CL experience. To be far though PSV were awful apart from a couple of lads up front who looked dangerous at times.
Top of the group though so happy days, hopefully we can avoid Inter. No doubt chelski will get Panathinaikos!
Some goal by Albert :)
That Martin Kelly is some big f**ker...There must be some Irish in him is there?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 09, 2008, 09:48:48 PM
That Martin Kelly is some big f**ker...There must be some Irish in him is there?
Not unless Robbie keane is slipping him one ;) He's from Bolton
Anyone know who our list of potential opponents may be?
Quote from: gawa316 on December 09, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 09, 2008, 09:48:48 PM
That Martin Kelly is some big f**ker...There must be some Irish in him is there?
Not unless Robbie keane is slipping him one ;) He's from Bolton
Anyone know who our list of potential opponents may be?
Aye I know he is from Bolton....Kelly isn't a very Bolton name though I would imagine ;)
Quote from: gawa316 on December 09, 2008, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 09, 2008, 09:48:48 PM
That Martin Kelly is some big f**ker...There must be some Irish in him is there?
Not unless Robbie keane is slipping him one ;) He's from Bolton
Anyone know who our list of potential opponents may be?
We will probably get Madrid, or Inter and United will probably get Panathanaikos. Obviously it will be clearer tomorrow night but we cant have anyone we have already played in our group (Atletico) or anyone from the same country (Arsenal, Chelsea or United)
Not sure that finishing top is any advantage, but nice to get another win and hopefully build momentum. Lucas (my man of the match) and Mascherano pretty much controlled proceedings, so hopefully that'll boost their confidence and result in better performances. Disappointed that Darby didnt start but I was happy to see Babel get a run on the right. I think he'll be more effective there than on the left. Delighted to see Jay Spearing get a run, and he did well too.
Robbie was shocking in the first half. Once again more interested in winning frees and moaning to the ref, than the ball. Much improved in the second half, got himself into the game and made a goal.
I don't think much of Ngog. Albeit he was very composed for his goal, and he made sure to give the defender no chance, but I thought the keeper should have saved it.
As things stand we would be facing,.... Inter, Sporting, villareal, bayern, porto or madrid.
(But thats goin by the way the tablees are the nite before the second set of games.... )
If we had finished 2nd the possibilities would have been... Juve, lyon, barca, roma, panathinaikos...
Quote from: Hank Everlast on December 10, 2008, 09:21:28 AM
As things stand we would be facing,.... Inter, Sporting, villareal, bayern, porto or madrid.
(But thats goin by the way the tablees are the nite before the second set of games.... )
If we had finished 2nd the possibilities would have been... Juve, lyon, barca, roma, panathinaikos...
Feck there is definitely no gimmes there. Would like to get either of the portugese teams but you never know, Look at what happened with Benfica a few years back.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 09, 2008, 09:39:55 PM
Thought Keane had a good 2nd half,If Babel hadn't been so selfish Keane might have got one himself.
I thought Babel was going to get one himself. A dig in the gub from Keane.
There is a school of thought that says you try to get the big boys early enough in the knock out stages, rather than later on in a semi or final. That school of thought would prefer Inter or Real maybe. On the other hand, you'd have to fancy Liverpool in a legged knockout, with the second leg at Anfield, against Porto, Sporting, Villareal or Munich.
Have to agree that Dossena played well last night, when he gets into position he can really cross a ball. But he needs to put together a string of performances before he wins me over. and to be fair I think Stoke or Fulham would have put up a better fight than PSV.
Good to see Agger stride out with the ball a few times last nite. This is what he's good at linking play up which is one of Carra's weaker attributes.
Keane was really doing my nut in for the first half. He just looked sulky and whinging about things. But fair dues to him he kept his head down and stuck at it. And it paid of with a great performance in the second hald and was unlucky not to get a goal.
N'gog still doesn't inspire me. Took the goal well but how many times was the ball played into feet for him and he lost it? I know he's young so hopefully he'll develop but to me he looks like someone who we should be putting out on loan for a year or two to get regular football.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 10, 2008, 09:44:50 AM
There is a school of thought that says you try to get the big boys early enough in the knock out stages, rather than later on in a semi or final. That school of thought would prefer Inter or Real maybe. On the other hand, you'd have to fancy Liverpool in a legged knockout, with the second leg at Anfield, against Porto, Sporting, Villareal or Munich.
Form has a lot to do with it too. Right now I'd fancy any of the English clubs against Real over two legs but i'd expect they will be a different prospect come the spring. Sometimes an easy looking draw is not the best thing.
With Real's present run and their injury problems, I'd go for them
Quote from: ardal on December 10, 2008, 12:37:43 PM
With Real's present run and their injury problems, I'd go for them
I'd agree if we were playin them in the next couple of weeks but it's not til march, i think, so no doubt they'll have turned the corner by then
Quote from: gawa316 on December 09, 2008, 09:46:48 PM
Thought that was a great second half from us. Lucas played really well as did Dossena. we played with ten men until Ngog finally got his act together around the 70 mark. keane had a great second, felt a bit for him when it wasn't going his way. Nice to see the 3 local lads get some CL experience. To be far though PSV were awful apart from a couple of lads up front who looked dangerous at times.
Top of the group though so happy days, hopefully we can avoid Inter. No doubt chelski will get Panathinaikos!
Some goal by Albert :)
Pretty much summed it up.
What was the deal with Riera at Man City? When he signed, I thought "great, a Man City reject!" He looks Man Utd quality now
Quote from: deiseach on December 10, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
What was the deal with Riera at Man City? When he signed, I thought "great, a Man City reject!" He looks Man Utd quality now
He done o.k. He wasn't a dud, the sides could not agree a fee for a permanaent deal, hence him leaving the club.
Quote from: deiseach on December 10, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
What was the deal with Riera at Man City? When he signed, I thought "great, a Man City reject!" He looks Man Utd quality now
Go easy!! -It's early yet! ;)
Quote from: deiseach on December 10, 2008, 01:32:18 PM
What was the deal with Riera at Man City? When he signed, I thought "great, a Man City reject!" He looks Man Utd quality now
He certainly isnt Man Utd quality, he is far better than that.
Looks like it'll be one from Inter Milan, Sporting Lisbon, Villareal, Lyon or Real Madrid in the last 16.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2008, 09:00:37 PM
Looks like it'll be one from Inter Milan, Sporting Lisbon, Villareal, Lyon or Real Madrid in the last 16.
No easy games at this level, would be very interesting to see Jose come back with Inter.
its been annouced this week that anyone who bought a lump of dodgy irish meat are entitled to a refund. Benitez is currently negotiating with Spurs but they say donkeys werent affeceted so they have no chance of getting any money back !!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 11, 2008, 10:47:26 AM
its been annouced this week that anyone who bought a lump of dodgy irish meat are entitled to a refund. Benitez is currently negotiating with Spurs but they say donkeys werent affeceted so they have no chance of getting any money back !!
Boom boom!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 11, 2008, 10:47:26 AM
its been annouced this week that anyone who bought a lump of dodgy irish meat are entitled to a refund. Benitez is currently negotiating with Spurs but they say donkeys werent affeceted so they have no chance of getting any money back !!
:D :D :D
Quote from: EC Unique on December 11, 2008, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 11, 2008, 10:47:26 AM
its been annouced this week that anyone who bought a lump of dodgy irish meat are entitled to a refund. Benitez is currently negotiating with Spurs but they say donkeys werent affeceted so they have no chance of getting any money back !!
:D :D :D
Oh jesus. I knew you and NRico would find it funny.
Quote from: corn02 on December 11, 2008, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 11, 2008, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 11, 2008, 10:47:26 AM
its been annouced this week that anyone who bought a lump of dodgy irish meat are entitled to a refund. Benitez is currently negotiating with Spurs but they say donkeys werent affeceted so they have no chance of getting any money back !!
:D :D :D
Oh jesus. I knew you and NRico would find it funny.
;D ;)
Barcelona 5.50
Chelsea 6.00
Manchester Utd 6.00
Inter 9.00
Liverpool 11.00
Juventus 13.00
Arsenal 15.00
Real Madrid 15.00
Bayern Munich 19.00
Lyon 21.00
Roma 21.00
Atlético Madrid 23.00
Villarreal 29.00
Porto 51.00
Sporting Lisbon 67.00
Panathinaikos 81.00
What the f**k have Inter done to be 4th favs ahead of us? ???
They have Jose.
GAWA, one simple thing. Jose- it is crazy but that is what they are being priced down for. I'm happy enough for the team to be underdogs, suit them better.
More so, what have Barca and Cheslsea done to put them ahead of United.
There is one team sticking out there at a massive price.
Quote from: corn02 on December 11, 2008, 12:47:02 PM
There is one team sticking out there at a massive price.
Munich?
The one above them, Madrid. For all their problems, 15 is a massive price. The knock-outs aren;t until February or Mrahc, plenty of time to turn things around. Hunntelar coming in will help too.
Scebario: Madrid win 1-0 at the Nou Camp this Saturday, their whole season may change.
surely porto shouldnt be as big a price as that.... finished top of their group and easily beat arsenal.
Quote from: Hank Everlast on December 11, 2008, 01:14:20 PM
surely porto shouldnt be as big a price as that.... finished top of their group and easily beat arsenal.
There not the Porto team of a few years ago and they beat an already qualified Arsenal. Value bets for me are United and then Madrid e/w.
Yeah, fully in agreement about Real. Cannot understand how they're doing so badly but over the last few seasons they've always picked things up after the winter break. They have too much quality to not be in with a serious shout.
RAFA BENITEZ wrote off Liverpool's title chances and admitted: It ain't going to happen.
The Reds are top of the Premier League going into tomorrow's trip to Hull.
But boss Benitez said: "For us to win the league we need Chelsea, Man United and Arsenal to mess up their season.
"It is very rare that three teams all mess up.
"So there's no point waiting for our direct adversaries to slip up because it won't happen.
"They all have a lot greater financial means than us."
It is an astonishing admission from Spaniard Benitez which will not go down well in the corridors of power at Anfield.
American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett do not want to hear anyone dismissing Liverpool's hopes of landing the title for the first time since 1990.
The Reds are one point clear of second-placed Chelsea and six ahead of Manchester United, who have a game in hand.
Former Valencia chief Benitez is hoping to land a new deal.
But he added: "For me, Valencia and Liverpool are similar — for them to win, the bigger clubs have to do badly.
"When I won La Liga with Valencia that's what happened, Real Madrid and Barcelona were in transition, so it was easier."
Manager plays down title chances shocker.
Quote from: Minder on December 12, 2008, 10:37:21 AM
Manager plays down title chances shocker.
Bentiez has said that story and the quotes were totally fabricated.
He did say:
"We have a clear opportunity to win the title, and now we are top it depends on what we do. If we win, then nobody will overtake us.
"Of course we can win the title, but - and this applies to any team who become champions - you must do everything almost perfect.
"You cannot make too many mistakes. But we are top, it would be stupid to say we couldn't win the title.
Of course the Sunb are involved in the fabrication - c***ts!
So he is back-tracking now ::) He has a bit to learn about management yet :-\
Quote from: EC Unique on December 12, 2008, 04:34:44 PM
So he is back-tracking now ::) He has a bit to learn about management yet :-\
You can't read then. He was misquoted.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 12, 2008, 04:34:44 PM
So he is back-tracking now ::) He has a bit to learn about management yet :-\
Maybe this might explain things for you:
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has rubbished a report suggesting he said his side were not good enough to win the title.
A story on Friday claimed Benitez was unsure of Liverpool's chances of winning the Premier League and that they could only win England's top prize if Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal all messed up.
Benitez has moved quickly to reject the talk by saying the report has been twisted.
"We are really pleased because we are top and I can guarantee that if we are still top of the table after Christmas we will have a clear chance of winning the title," insisted Benitez.
"It was an interview with a French journalist and we were talking about tactics. I was really surprised with the story but everyone in Liverpool knows about this newspaper. "We are at the top of the table because we are doing things better than the others. It is up to us and that is it."
He needs a few lessons in PR I think. I suppose he is just not used to this sort of attention in December :D
Quote from: EC Unique on December 13, 2008, 11:09:01 AM
He needs a few lessons in PR I think. I suppose he is just not used to this sort of attention in December :D
You do realise "PR" stands for "Public Relations"?
Yes. Why?
Quote from: EC Unique on December 13, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
Yes. Why?
How does he need some lessons in public relations?
Part of PR is knowing how to handle the media. If he knew what this particular paper was like then why give them the oportunity to twist his words. He might learn with time to select carefully who to give interviews to. :-\
Steven Gerrard returns to the Liverpool starting line-up as Rafa Benitez makes a host changes for today's clash with Hull City at Anfield
The Reds skipper comes into the side in place of David Ngog, while Dirk Kuyt, Xabi Alonso, Sami Hyypia and Javier Mascherano also earn call-ups.
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Dossena, Hyypia, Carragher, Arbeloa, Riera, Alonso, Mascherano, Benayoun, Gerrard, Kuyt.
Subs: Cavalieri, Agger, Keane, Babel, Lucas, Ngog, El Zhar.
Live here:
http://footballlivestreaming1.blogspot.com/2008/12/watch-football-matches-live-online_13.html (http://footballlivestreaming1.blogspot.com/2008/12/watch-football-matches-live-online_13.html)
here to:
http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/398492 (http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/398492)
OMG :o
Jesus
1-0 Hull. Paul McShane
2-0 Hull Carragher Own Goal.
Dossena is absolute rubbish
Holy shit 2-0 Hull Cara og
Need to get fingers out or this could get ugly!
2-1 Gerrard
2-1 Go on Stevie G
Game on!
thanks for the link boys great game. i thought keane was picked to start today?
I just turned off the laptop in disgust and missed Gerrards goal.
2-2
Stevie again!
Excellent game. Liverpool are pounding Hull and should win at this point, assuming they can keep it tight at the other end, which is no guarantee. 4-3 final score?
You can see the change in attitude after they conceded the second! They have started to put pressure on the man in posession and it has unsettled Hull.
Dossenna needs to concentrate on defending although he is getting very little help from Riera. Think there is a few goals left in this game yet!
Please take Kuyt off! :(
this game needs Keane on
And Kuyt still remains on the field ???
another liverpool sub and Robbie still not on, days numbered I think
Quote from: Square Ball on December 13, 2008, 04:44:31 PM
another liverpool sub and Robbie still not on, days numbered I think
LUCAS for Mash. FFS
Useless hoors
Quote from: Minder on December 13, 2008, 04:49:30 PM
Useless hoors
Unreal.
Why leave Keane on the bench?? He could have been no worse than Kuyt.
I would say he is on his way back to Spurs.
Unbeleivable that Kuyt finished that game! :'(
So much for more goals in the second half!
BENITEZ OUT!
BRING BACK STEVE FINNAN!
WHY'S OUR ROBBIE NOT ON!
I hope people dont use Keane not getting on as a smokescreen. The players that were on the pitch should be able to beat hull. We just are not good enough to maintain a title challenge over 38 games. I am starting to look to the away games as more likely to get a win. They dont seem capable of beating anyone at home.
Benitez has lost the plot..
Hull City at home on the rack, playing with one striker up front, (one who has played most of the season out right), a 20 million quid striker sittinng on the bench who he claims he has the fullest of confidence in, and he doesnt even get his bottoms off, when the game was crying out to be won..
Crazy stuff!!
It was peculiar from Benitez alright. Replacing one non scoring midfielder with another. He can be so stubborn sometimes,to the detriment of the team.
FERGUSON AND SCOLARI OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111
SCOLARI HAS LOST THE PLOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
3 WINS OUT OF 9 AT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111
CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYY STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111
Another let off this week.
On one hand it's annoying as we should have a big lead built up by now. On the other hand the others aren't really capitalizing on our run of draws.
Hurry back Fernando.
Draws for pool, arse, man u, chelsea, rangers and celtic.
Bookies laughing this weekend
So much for "Benitez out" and all the rest of it. The fact is that there are very few easy games in the division this year, especially if whichever big four team it is doesn't get the first goal. They're all dropping points and no one is able to build up a lead so far. Seems to be only Benitez and Liverpool who are taking stick for it however, probably because everyone assumes that United and Chelsea will push on eventually and that Liverpool are blowing their chance. Don't really agree, personally.
I managed to get to the game. Frustrating performance and result but Liverpool didn't have the quality up front in that starting line up to beat Hull. Heart sank when i heard the line up - Kuyt up front on his own, in a home game, against Hull! Unbelievable how Kuyt lasted the full 90 mins - he was that bad from the start that he could easily have been subbed by half time (Keane's days look numbered now - if he couldn't get on yesterday). Dirk has the touch of a serial rapist and his second touch is a tackle - just not good enough i'm afraid for a team with title winning ambitions. People who bang on about his workrate should realise that workrate is a given, a prerequisite. Reira and Benayoun were very poor as well. Benayoun got knocked off the ball too many times. Dossina was very dodgy at the back - he got skinned for pace down the wing twice in the lead up to the 2 goals. That lack of quality up front and on the wings is costing valuable points. Hypia was immense yesterday - gave a peerless performance.
J70 i think that Chelsea and United have more capacity to go on a long (winning not drawing) unbeaten run in part due to larger and better quality squads. We cant keep hoping United and Chelsea continue to drop points as it wont happen indefinetly. We need to address our own shortcomings. Another factor in Uniteds favour is they have had a far harder programme of games and are within striking distance. The only thing that may make them falter is the fixture pile up they will face after the World Club Cup. Players like Beanyoun are playing far too many games for Liverpool to mount a sustained challenge. Babel must be the worlds worst trainer and have a stinkin attitude as whatever he is doing during the week at Melwood obviously isnt impressing Rafa. Overly pessimistic? Maybe.....
Quote from: Minder on December 13, 2008, 05:36:51 PM
I hope people dont use Keane not getting on as a smokescreen. The players that were on the pitch should be able to beat hull. We just are not good enough to maintain a title challenge over 38 games. I am starting to look to the away games as more likely to get a win. They dont seem capable of beating anyone at home.
everyone has been saying that since 1990, not earth shattering news there.
Quote from: Minder on December 14, 2008, 08:33:26 PM
J70 i think that Chelsea and United have more capacity to go on a long (winning not drawing) unbeaten run in part due to larger and better quality squads. We cant keep hoping United and Chelsea continue to drop points as it wont happen indefinetly. We need to address our own shortcomings. Another factor in Uniteds favour is they have had a far harder programme of games and are within striking distance. The only thing that may make them falter is the fixture pile up they will face after the World Club Cup. Players like Beanyoun are playing far too many games for Liverpool to mount a sustained challenge. Babel must be the worlds worst trainer and have a stinkin attitude as whatever he is doing during the week at Melwood obviously isnt impressing Rafa. Overly pessimistic? Maybe.....
Yes, but didn't Liverpool play very impressively from the beginning of February through to the end of the season last year, the Mascherano-aided no-show at Old Trafford excepted? The damage to Liverpool was done last year because the United and Arsenal charged ahead before Christmas when Liverpool were struggling, which has not happened this time around. And after next week, Liverpool will have quite a few of their toughest away fixtures out of the way as well, with trips to Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Bolton, Blackburn (those two are normally tough for anyone), Spurs and Villa all completed, with only one defeat and one draw before the Arsenal game. I accept that Liverpool's overall resources are poorer, but that does not mean that they are out of it.
Quote from: J70 on December 14, 2008, 11:12:02 PM
Yes, but didn't Liverpool play very impressively from the beginning of February through to the end of the season last year, the Mascherano-aided no-show at Old Trafford excepted? The damage to Liverpool was done last year because the United and Arsenal charged ahead before Christmas when Liverpool were struggling, which has not happened this time around. And after next week, Liverpool will have quite a few of their toughest away fixtures out of the way as well, with trips to Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Bolton, Blackburn (those two are normally tough for anyone), Spurs and Villa all completed, with only one defeat and one draw before the Arsenal game. I accept that Liverpool's overall resources are poorer, but that does not mean that they are out of it.
You can add the trip to man city to that list.
I'd agree with the thrust of what you're saying J70, this season is definitely seeing a much more competitive league with the top teams dropping far more points that previously. Liverpool have been very disappointing lately, especially at home, and the run of draws is a very worring trend. However, I think the points total required to win the league this year will be alot lower than in previous years (I think 85 points could win the league this year) and that will suit Liverpool, who just arent capable of reaching the dizzy heights set by chelsea/united in previous seasons. Also, while everyone is saying that man united & chelsea have yet to get into top gear, I think the same can be said about Liverpool - they might be top of the league but there's certainly another gear in them, especially if Torres can get himself fit and come into form. So while, it's been frustrating to see so many dropped points lately, all is not lost yet.
On the keane situation, I couldnt believe he spent the entire game on the bench, doesnt bode well at all. I think when Rafa bought keane, he was sure that barry would also come into the side and alonso would depart. That would have allowed Rafa to play a 4 man midfield of kuyt, gerrard, masch & barry with torres & keane up front. But Barry never came and Alonso has been Liverpool's best player all season which has given Rafa a problem in trying to fit keane, gerrard & torres into the team. I still think keane has a lot to offer, but not when playing as a lone striker. Would like to see torres & keane get a run of matches together and see what they can do - could drop gerrard into CM or Right Wing if he wants.
Anyway, a trip to the emirates next week and funnily enough i'm more confident of getting 3 points there than the home game against Bolton the following week...
Benitez's attitude has reverted to type in the last few weeks, and that has coincided with the clutch of draws.
At the beginning of the season Benitez correctly said there were too many draws last year which were very costly. So when we were drawing games earlier in the season he threw caution to the wind, encouraged attacking play and even took off midifielders and defenders to get more attackers on, and it paid off in spades with plenty of late wins.
Then it backfired against Spurs, when playing really well, but the 2nd goal couldnt get in, conceded two late goals, and now you hear Benitez talking about "a point gained". Not losing is again more important than winning. Fact of the matter is Liverpool should have 6 extra points from those 3 recent draws, and attitude of the manager permeating down to the players played a big part. Leaving your striker on the bench v Hull for the full 90 minutes was just unbelievable. And then the excuse as to why only a draw: "The game was too open" was hugely disappointing. A team like Hull wanting to have an open game against Liverpool should be exactly what a Livepool manager wants.
ManUtd and Chelsea (so far) arent a patch on what they were last year, and hence Liverpool are right up there in strong contention. But we really havent taken full advantage of the chance they've given us and we know they will both kick on eventually.
Not too sure about all that Hound.
Since the defeat to Spurs, we have won 3 and drawn 3 in the PL. In the draw with Fulham, benitez started with keane & torres up front and when we were chasing the goal, he brought on alonso & el zhar for Masch & Kuyt. Against west ham, he again started with 2 up front, this time Keane & Kuyt. You cant say it was Benitez's attitude that was to blame for those results. That said, I honestly dont know what the f**k he was at on saturday, leaving our only striker on the bench for 90mins.
Teams like Stoke, West Ham & Fulham will come to anfield and defend for the entire game looking for the draw. In these games, it's essential we have a fully fit and in form Torres to stretch teams and nick a goal. Unfortunately, Torres hasnt been either fit or in-form this season. And if that doesnt change, then we can kiss goodbye to any chance of a title challenge. Torres & Gerrard have started together in only 5 PL games this season. And Liverpool simply cant afford to continue like that.
Quote from: Armamike on December 14, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Dirk has the touch of a serial rapist and his second touch is a tackle - just not good enough i'm afraid for a team with title winning ambitions.
Sorry mate but for me that is just bollicks. He had a mare of a second half yesterday and should have been replaced, but he played a big role in the two goals. Alsom, he has arguably been the player of the season for us, so to make that assumption on one poor performance is knee-jerk.
Corn, I have the same opinion on Kuyt, as Armamike, and it is far from being based on one performance. If Rafa plays him as a wide player, then it's pointless unless it's against the top teams where he essentially becomes an auxiliary right back. His work rate and dedication is great.
When LFC are playing anyone other than that, he either needs to be a second striker, or on the bench. He has almost 0 creativity, is not going to get behind any full back, and is not a good man to hold on to possession as a move develops. His passing is woeful, and his control is awful for a professional footballer. Momo Sissoko and himself could have a 'long touch' competition.
I have good time for Kuyt, as a worker and as a lad who can pop up with vital goals. But when you are trying to break a team down, especially at Anfield, he ain't the answer. Or if he is, it's to the wrong question.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
Corn, I have the same opinion on Kuyt, as Armamike, and it is far from being based on one performance. If Rafa plays him as a wide player, then it's pointless unless it's against the top teams where he essentially becomes an auxiliary right back. His work rate and dedication is great.
When LFC are playing anyone other than that, he either needs to be a second striker, or on the bench. He has almost 0 creativity, is not going to get behind any full back, and is not a good man to hold on to possession as a move develops. His passing is woeful, and his control is awful for a professional footballer. Momo Sissoko and himself could have a 'long touch' competition.
I have good time for Kuyt, as a worker and as a lad who can pop up with vital goals. But when you are trying to break a team down, especially at Anfield, he ain't the answer. Or if he is, it's to the wrong question.
His goal tally argue differently. His form has been excellent this season. He has played the lone striker role twice this season. He was involved in two goals on Saturday and was a great outlet against Blackburn. Only Alonso, Gerrard and Reina can claim to be closer to player of the year so far. His runs are intelligent and he is one of the main reasons why Arbeloa is prosperiong. No one is going to argue that his touch is woeful, but hew has been a key cog in our march to top spot.
That's what I'm saying, if he is a striker, I can live with that. I will not be convinced, however, that he is the sort of creative right sided player that will open up teams who come to defend. Arbeloa is not a good enough attacking player to justify having a workhorse playing in front of him to give him freedom.
So I would definitely not say his form has been excellent, far from it. I would say he has chipped in with vital goals, no doubt, but maybe if a better player was wide right, we wouldn't be sweating on vital goals. He's the black hole for too many moves when he's on the right.
AZOffaly, so who would you play on the right ahead of Kuyt? I am not his biggest fan and agree he has a very poor touch, but I'd have him on the team ahead of Benny/Pennant anyday. You could maybe argue that babel should be given a run on the right but again he hasnt been too convincing either.
Hard to believe that Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher & Kuyt have been the only 4 liverpool players to start every single PL game this season.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2008, 12:28:35 PM
That's what I'm saying, if he is a striker, I can live with that. I will not be convinced, however, that he is the sort of creative right sided player that will open up teams who come to defend. Arbeloa is not a good enough attacking player to justify having a workhorse playing in front of him to give him freedom.
So I would definitely not say his form has been excellent, far from it. I would say he has chipped in with vital goals, no doubt, but maybe if a better player was wide right, we wouldn't be sweating on vital goals. He's the black hole for too many moves when he's on the right.
He has had a great start to the season, to say he has been far from excellent is wrong. I actually think his best work comes on the right. He done it against Bolton, Spurs etc who were heavily defending at the time. Arbeloa prosperrs with Kuyt in front of him. He has more freedom to attack because Kuyt will cover him defnesively probably better than any other winger in the Premiership. Arbeloas delivery has improved ten-fold as of late and it is mostly down to Kuyt withdrawing defenders. Sometime it doesn't come across on tv, but if your in the Anny Road or the Kop you can see firsat hand how intelligent Kutys' runs are how much space they create. Obviously, it would be better if it was Kuyt who was attacking this space, but, as you rightly point out, he doesn't have that ability. Despite this he plays a massive, massive role in that team. It is only when he is out injured that you will appreciate it.
We'll have to agree to disagree so. I made a comment that if Kuyt plays more than 20 PL games, Liverpool will not win the League, and I stand by that.
As for the alternative to him, I think that at Anfield, against teams like Fulham, Stoke, Hull, etc etc etc, I'd be playing a 4-4-2 with Alonso and Masch in midfield, Gerrard on the Right and Reira on left. I'd play two of Kuyt/Torres/Keane up front.
In an ideal world, I'd buy a winger, like I was hoping for in the summer, and play that winger on the right, with Alonso/Masch playing with Gerrard in the middle, and again, Kuyt/Keane or Torres up front.
I'm going to conduc a scientific study over Christmas when I'm pigging out in front of the telly, and chart how many moves break down when they reach Kuyt, either due to a first touch that would get him bollocked out of it in the Phoenix Park, or from ridiculous passes going astray. I'd bet that there will be at least 15-20 of these in whatever game I choose.
I like the guy's work ethic, and I love the important goals he has scored, but I just cannot buy that he is an integral, every week starter on a team trying to win the league.
Also, please don't patronise me about being in the Anny Road end. I've watched enough soccer in my time to see things like that, and if we had Patrice Evra or someone coming forward, I could buy that argument of Kuyt essentially being a decoy. But we don't. Arbeloa is no marauding full back. He is at his best man marking people like Ronaldo, Messi etc. Kuyt should be the attacking force there.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2008, 12:42:12 PM
Also, please don't patronise me about being in the Anny Road end. I've watched enough soccer in my time to see things like that, and if we had Patrice Evra or someone coming forward, I could buy that argument of Kuyt essentially being a decoy. But we don't. Arbeloa is no marauding full back. He is at his best man marking people like Ronaldo, Messi etc. Kuyt should be the attacking force there.
Care to point out what was patronising then?
If you can't admire Arbeloas increasing attack efficency you may study that as well at Christmas. There has been a significant increase in his attacking forrays and his delivery has improved massively.
QuoteSometime it doesn't come across on tv, but if your in the Anny Road or the Kop you can see firsat hand how intelligent Kutys' runs are how much space they create.
I read that as patronising. If it wasn't then apologies.
As for Arbeloa, how many assists has he got this year? I don't believe he has improved to a level that warrants playing a decoy right winger to allow him bomb up and down the line. He's obviously come on a good bit, but to suggest he is some sort of immense creative outlet is not true, in my opinion. I think some of the results speak for themselves in that respect.
Kuyt is a solid squad player, but no more than that. However at present he is prob our best option on the right side. For us to go on and win the title we badly need to buy a right winger. I would actully like to see Babel getting an exended run on the right wing from now to xmas, to see if he has what it takes. The team I would like Liverpool to play, esp at home
Riena
Arbeloa, Car, Agger, Aurelio
Babel, Alonso, Gerrard, Reira
Keane
Torres
Will Agger go in Jan, with hyypia getting on in front of him, I worry he will go??
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2008, 01:29:15 PM
QuoteSometime it doesn't come across on tv, but if your in the Anny Road or the Kop you can see firsat hand how intelligent Kutys' runs are how much space they create.
I read that as patronising. If it wasn't then apologies.
As for Arbeloa, how many assists has he got this year? I don't believe he has improved to a level that warrants playing a decoy right winger to allow him bomb up and down the line. He's obviously come on a good bit, but to suggest he is some sort of immense creative outlet is not true, in my opinion. I think some of the results speak for themselves in that respect.
Certainly was not meant to come across as patronising and I apologise if it came across as that. I simply meant wqhen your looking at the place face on instead of head on you notice some different aspects.
Maybe your right about Arbeloa, for what it's worth I don't see him as a super creative outlet either, but there certainly has been significant imrovement from him this season. He generally bombs forward and gets decent delivery in.
I checked his stats 1 goal and 1 assist - not great :(, but generally i think he has put a lot of good ball in.
So my point still stands. Unless the right back is making a huge, measurable difference in terms of providing goals and assists, then I think it is very wasteful to have a right sided player, in a position which is nominally the more creative and dangerous one, being more of a worker than a real game changer.
I know I sound harsh on Kuyt, and it's not meant to be that way, but I do not think that Kuyt would get a regular game with United or Chelsea, and they have better attacking full backs than Liverpool. I would play him as a striker, or else in situations where you know you need someone with his brilliant work ethic on the right side.
He'd be a situational starter for me, not the first name on the teamsheet.
Quote from: Fermanaghandsam on December 15, 2008, 01:36:04 PM
Will Agger go in Jan, with hyypia getting on in front of him, I worry he will go??
This is something I'm worried about also. He hasnt started the last 3 league games. Benitez needs to be very careful because Agger & Skrtel should be the future CB pairing. Contract talks are stalling and Milan are keeping a very close eye on proceedings.
Fair enough, I don;t think we are going to agree.
Juts to keep the argument going - Evra's stats for the season 0 goals and 1 assist. :P
Touché
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
Momo Sissoko and himself could have a 'long touch' competition.
That made me laugh out loud :D
Someone made a point about the good run Liverpool went on from February last year. I'd suggest that squad rotation (which was blamed for the loss of so many points earlier in the season) meant the players were fresher that they'd be this season.
That said, the longer things go on with United and Chelsea (and Arsenal) playing rubbish the better Liverpools chances are. An early exit from Europe and the FA Cup would help their cause as their squad is quite thin.
Assist statistics are often misleading - alonso has one assist in the league this year for example. Id bet he has a few more "key passes" than that however.
Quote from: corn02 on December 15, 2008, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: Armamike on December 14, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Dirk has the touch of a serial rapist and his second touch is a tackle - just not good enough i'm afraid for a team with title winning ambitions.
Sorry mate but for me that is just bollicks. He had a mare of a second half yesterday and should have been replaced, but he played a big role in the two goals. Alsom, he has arguably been the player of the season for us, so to make that assumption on one poor performance is knee-jerk.
You think? I've watched enough games this season and am old enough to remember the quality of player up front that got into liverpool title winning sides of the past, to make my own mind up about Dirk and his contribution. It depends what your aspirations are. I'm talking about the quality needed to win league titles, not finish in third or fourth place every year. Of course he's going to get some assists with goals and score a few, he's a striker ffs. His touch is truly awful and his passing or shooting isn't any better. He might make a bit of a contribution sitting behind the main striker, foraging deep, that's it. He might be worth a place ahead of a few others, but that says more about the lack of quality that has been brought in.
And yes Dirk gives of his best every game but that's not enough.
Kuyt has generally been quite good this season and is far from being our biggest problem right now. At the moment I still think he's our best option on the right hand side where he has usually played well as his 5 goals and 3 assists testify. When put up front by himself though on the weekend he had by far his worst game of the season. He either needs to play on the right side of the attack or up front with a partner.
That said if we could bring in a fantastic right winger I'd love it but from the options we have for the right Kuyt is definitely the best right now. I just wish Rafa would be prepared to sub him when he isn't playing well but he seems to have a blind spot regarding Kuyt. Granted Keane hasn't been fantastic but he gets hauled off every game no matter how he plays while Kuyt can stink the place out like against Hull and still get the full 90 minutes.
On the positive side we are still top in mid December having played most of the first half of the season without Torres who let's not forget contributed 33 goals last season in all competitions. It's not easy to replace those goals. No doubt though that to have any chance of challenging after Christmas that we badly need a fit Torres.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2008, 01:42:11 PM
So my point still stands. Unless the right back is making a huge, measurable difference in terms of providing goals and assists, then I think it is very wasteful to have a right sided player, in a position which is nominally the more creative and dangerous one, being more of a worker than a real game changer.
I know I sound harsh on Kuyt, and it's not meant to be that way, but I do not think that Kuyt would get a regular game with United or Chelsea, and they have better attacking full backs than Liverpool. I would play him as a striker, or else in situations where you know you need someone with his brilliant work ethic on the right side.
He'd be a situational starter for me, not the first name on the teamsheet.
I would have to agree with that.
I would have been a big critic of Kuyt and must say I have been somewhat impressed with him this season so far. I think he has hit a certain amount of form and was at his best in those games on the wide right against Utd and Chelsea where his work rate, along with others, set a tempo for the games which was the reason for success.
However in saying this, I think he is currently playing to his absolute maximum best (bar saturday) and we are seeing him at his full potential which I don't believe is good enough to be a regluar starter for a premier league challenging team. What he provides in work rate he lacks in class.
Someone summed up the Kuyt situation very well to me I thought. He is a similar player and of a similar level to Park (I would probably argue Park is a slightly better player) but yet Kuyt is a regular for Liverpool and Park is just a squad player for Utd.
Rafa in hospital today to get a kidney stoned removed.
I hope you make a speedy recovery big guy.
Lets hope they put his other 2 stones back in and then he might play 2 strikers up front :D :D
Quote from: EC Unique on December 16, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
Lets hope they put his other 2 stones back in and then he might play 2 strikers up front :D :D
Hilarious as usual EC.
You have to admit Minder I have a point ;)
Quote from: doire na raithe on December 15, 2008, 07:35:25 PM
I would have to agree with that.
I would have been a big critic of Kuyt and must say I have been somewhat impressed with him this season so far. I think he has hit a certain amount of form and was at his best in those games on the wide right against Utd and Chelsea where his work rate, along with others, set a tempo for the games which was the reason for success.
Kuyt played up front against United.
Quote from: doire na raithe on December 15, 2008, 07:35:25 PM
However in saying this, I think he is currently playing to his absolute maximum best (bar saturday) and we are seeing him at his full potential which I don't believe is good enough to be a regluar starter for a premier league challenging team. What he provides in work rate he lacks in class.
He was our top league scorer two seasons ago. His record in Europe is exceptional. If anything, last season was the year we should be looking at as a blip instead of this year being different. His father also died midway through last season and perhaps he shouldn't have been played as much, but he played through it and it surely had an affect on his performances.
Quote from: doire na raithe on December 15, 2008, 07:35:25 PM
Someone summed up the Kuyt situation very well to me I thought. He is a similar player and of a similar level to Park (I would probably argue Park is a slightly better player) but yet Kuyt is a regular for Liverpool and Park is just a squad player for Utd.
Only Fletcher and Ronaldo have played more for United in midfield than Park this season. He has played more than Giggs, Anderson, Carrick, Nani and Scholes.
Ferguson, like Rafa, obviously believes workrate is an essential cog of any team. When people look at Kuyt they fail to notice his defensive merit and focus on his attacking play. Five goals and four assists, mostly from the wing, is a very good return. One stinking 45 minutes and people are calling for his head.
Torres had 90 terrible minutes against Spurs in the Carling Cup, yet little was said.
Also, Benayoun is another who always seems to get criticism. Can't remember the number of times people are calling for Babel to replace Yossi. Yoissi, as frustarating as he has been, has done a lot more this season than Babel. The fact that Babel is still young is surely a factor here. Also, the way Keane has been playing it is no guarantee that he would have done much worse than Kuyt in the secoind half, admittedly it would have been a lot harder to do worse.
Someone said that Kuyt doesn;t seem to get substituted when playing badly. I have to agree with this, he seems immune at the moment. I would rather see him swapped if he is having a mare.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 16, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
Lets hope they put his other 2 stones back in and then he might play 2 strikers up front :D :D
Ferguson has played one striker and a lazy **** up front all season.
Quote from: corn02 on December 16, 2008, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 16, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
Lets hope they put his other 2 stones back in and then he might play 2 strikers up front :D :D
Ferguson has played one striker and a lazy **** up front all season.
Spot on
Quote from: corn02 on December 16, 2008, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 16, 2008, 09:36:52 AM
Lets hope they put his other 2 stones back in and then he might play 2 strikers up front :D :D
Ferguson has played one striker and a lazy **** up front all season.
Corn wouldnt say Rooney is that lazy!!!
:o
Rooney and Tevez, United fans should be wanting to play them two ahead of Ronaldo and Berbatov. Two team players with class versus two indivdualistic lasy gits!
It's nice to have that luxury though!
What would Liverpool give to be able to have Ronaldo & Berbs???
Kuyt's graft only get's you so far!
Without doubt, only busting about Rooney!
Ronaldo has been Uniteds problem this season. Think he is making it clear to Fergie that he wants out, and if an offer comes in January whiskeynose could do alot worse than to accept it. Think even the united fans are fed up with him. As for berbatov, why is everyone so surprised did you all not see him play for Spurs, he was always a lazy so and so.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 16, 2008, 11:57:50 AM
It's nice to have that luxury though!
What would Liverpool give to be able to have Ronaldo & Berbs???
Kuyt's graft only get's you so far!
For Berbatov? On current form? Probably not a lot.
Quote from: stiffler on December 15, 2008, 10:22:56 PM
Rafa in hospital today to get a kidney stoned removed.
I hope you make a speedy recovery big guy.
Any chance they might keep him in for a few weeks and see how we fare without him?
Quote from: stiffler on December 15, 2008, 10:22:56 PM
Rafa in hospital today to get a kidney stoned removed.
I hope you make a speedy recovery big guy.
rumour has it hes not the only one that needed a bit of treatment after this mornings training session
and its in no way related to this what so ever...
http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Football/2008/12/16/Prem-Gerrard-hints-that-Keane-could-leave/gnid-31/ (http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Football/2008/12/16/Prem-Gerrard-hints-that-Keane-could-leave/gnid-31/)
loose lips lawro
Saw that earlier, im sure Gerrard is delighted a private converstaion has been made public by Lawro.
Fcuk that Lawro is some pr1ck
What a mouth. Needs to learn to keep it shut
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Torres had 90 terrible minutes against Spurs in the Carling Cup, yet little was said.
he was only coming back from injury.
kuyts work rate has to be commended but when teams are "parking the bus" at anfield he simply doesnt have the gulie needed to breakdown defences end of. right winger desperately needed in jan imo due to this and the lack of progression babel has made(expected a big season) and the fact pennant/yossi will never be good enough to be regular starters in any premier league champions
Anyone reckon Mcgeady could do a job for us? Looks like all is not well for him up at celtic
Quote from: gawa316 on December 16, 2008, 10:39:49 PM
Anyone reckon Mcgeady could do a job for us? Looks like all is not well for him up at celtic
A bit light weight I think for the top teams, but is skillful. Take him and send Pennant the other way on a straight swap, pay him 10k less than Pennant and it could be decent business.
Liverpool have released a statement categorically denying that Steven Gerrard discussed Robbie Keane's possible departure from the club with BBC Sport's Mark Lawrenson.
Liverpool's response to Lawrenson's statement read: 'Mark Lawrenson's remarks are his interpretation of a private chat between the two of them.
'They do not accurately reflect Steven's opinion of Robbie Keane and they certainly do not tally with Steven's recollection of the
conversation itself.'
As a result of Liverpool's statement Mark Lawrenson has spoken to the Daily Post, admitting that perhaps he may have skewed the conversation: 'I'm sorry if it caused any aggravation but it wasn't meant to. Steven Gerrard's name should never have come up in terms of Robbie Keane going in January. It wasn't Steven saying that it was me saying it.
'The only connection I was making between the two was that they have the same agent and I have had a hunch for a while that Keane could go.
'But that is my opinion and nothing whatsoever to do with any conversations I had with Steven Gerrard.
'I happened to mention I spoke to him on Saturday night but I didn't mean for that to come across in the way that it has been interpreted.
Yeah yeah Lawro ::)
A bit of backtracking there
Dont think he will be having many conversations with Liverpool players in the near future
I would honestly hate to see McGeady come to Liverpool. He'd be no better than Pennant, Yossi etc yet Celtic would prob be holding out for a decent pay off for him.
Valencia might be a better option from Wigan and prob at a similar price.
Also I see Juve are sniffing round after Agger and Babel.
Would also hate to see Mc Geady coming, he isnt good enough for a top four team. A mid table Premier League team would be his level.
Mc Geady is the type of player Liverpool should be staying as far away from as possible
An above average player in Scotland, he will just be another squad member at Anfield & probably end up like Maloney, who once he realises he isnt good enough for thr PL will hot foot it back to Celtic
Jailed Liverpool fan Michael Shields has won an important battle at the High Court in London in his bid for a free pardon.
The 22-year-old is serving a 10-year sentence for the attempted murder of a barman in Bulgaria in 2005, but has always maintained his innocence.
High Court judges have ruled Justice Secretary Jack Straw has the power to issue a pardon to Shields.
Mr Straw previously insisted he does not have the power to free him.
Mr Straw said he would appoint senior counsel to advise him on whether to pardon Shields or not, in light of the High Court decision.
The Justice Secretary said the case had to be looked at very closely, alongside the implication it could have on cases of other British prisoners abroad.
Shields is currently serving the remainder of his sentence at Thorn Cross Young Offenders' Institute in Appleton Thorn in Warrington, Cheshire.
Will be interesting to see what happens now in the Shields case.
Totally agree with most on here, no way would I want McGeady near us. You would probably have to fork out about £6 million for his services too.
Coming near the end of the year and time for 2008 Liverpool supporters' thread poster of the year.
Standard has been high this year. Supersarsfields, Laoislad, Armamike have been good. Minder and Stevo-08 have been very good and BC, as usual, has been intillegent.
But for me, despite his hate of the Dirkmeister, AZ gets the nod.
Good old Dirk has got a bit of stick the last few days. He has fans for and against. I don't think he's any better or worse than a number of forward players Liverpool have at the moment - the likes of Penant, Reira, Keane, Babel have all failed to really impress and nail down a starting place. Going back to previous seasons we had the likes of Bellamy, Garcia, Kewell, etc who fell short. It's frustrating that the real quality up front needed to be the very best doesn't seem to be there. Hope i'm wrong obviously.
I was lucky enough to get chatting to David Johnston on Saturday night after the Hull game - bumped into him on a night out. How we could do now with a player of his ilk to poach a few goals!
Quote from: Armamike on December 17, 2008, 10:00:22 PM
I was lucky enough to get chatting to David Johnston on Saturday night after the Hull game - bumped into him on a night out. How we could do now with a player of his ilk to poach a few goals!
surely at 57 hes over the hill....
The old ones are the best....
Quote from: corn02 on December 17, 2008, 07:18:43 PM
Coming near the end of the year and time for 2008 Liverpool supporters' thread poster of the year.
Standard has been high this year. Supersarsfields, Laoislad, Armamike have been good. Minder and Stevo-08 have been very good and BC, as usual, has been intillegent.
But for me, despite his hate of the Dirkmeister, AZ gets the nod.
Yep, has been some very good debate here at times. Add in GalwayBayBoy, Hound, J70, Gawa, Chrisowc, and of course yourself corn02, to the list above and there's been a good mix of opinions on this thread. Have to say I've enjoyed Minder constantly winding up the Man U lads, so out of pure badness my vote goes to him.
I Vote Corn...
I vote Minder
I abstain
I vote magpie seanie.....
For his overwhelming support and admiration for Alvaro Arbeloa - I'm going with LL
Reports are saying Harry is interested Pennant & Benitez wants Lennon to go the other way
Would be very suprised in Spurs let him go and would prefer if Lennon stayed at Spurs
Mind you, this is the type of player the scousers could do with
Do I not get a Vote :'(
Lennon would be a great addition and getting rid of pennant at the same time, double bonus
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on December 18, 2008, 09:51:52 PM
Lennon would be a great addition and getting rid of pennant at the same time, double bonus
I would rather have McGeady and that is saying something. A speed merchant with little end product and even less work rate.
I read somewhere that the choice of Pennant or Lennon is akin to being asked if you would prefer a kick in the balls or a dig on the nose. . . .
I for one am happy enough with getting Real Madrid,I watched them last weekend v Barca and I wasn't over impressed with them,thats not to say it's going to be easy but it could have been a worse draw
REAL - let's fecking have ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What date is the home leg on?
I might go to it,don't usually go midweek but then its not every day 2 of the most successful clubs in Europe play each other :) 14 European Cups between them :)
Liverpool are at home in the second leg
March 10/11
I should be able to get tickets for this, was at PSV and had Marsaille on fan card.
Tpo be honest once you hit the last 16 it doesn;t matter, playing at home second is the key.
No Rafa today, will be interesting to see how the team is lined out. No doubt the golden retriever will start on his own up front. I hope we see Babal and Keane at some stage and that Leiva doesnt come on. Id also be delighted if either Aurelio or Insua start instead of Dossena, if he plays every attack will go down that wing
u sure there's no rafa today??
No rafa, little Sammy is the man today. Please Go 4-4-2 Sammy, though I doubt that will happen.
Big game for Sammy to step in, but and the end of the day he will not be playing!
There is no way he will go with Kuyt alone again today, think he will be out wide with keane back in for Benyoun!
Rafa will still pick the team and, I would imagine, be on the phone all the time regarding changes.
Fine line between 4-4-2 and 4-3-2-1. The latter worked brilliantly at Chelsea, so I will not be dissapointed either way.
The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Agger, Carragher, Insua, Riera, Kuyt, Lucas, Alonso, Gerrard, Keane.
Happy enough with that. Mascherano has been very poor.
Quote from: corn02 on December 21, 2008, 03:20:03 PM
The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Arbeloa, Agger, Carragher, Insua, Riera, Kuyt, Lucas, Alonso, Gerrard, Keane.
Happy enough with that. Mascherano has been very poor.
Yeah but Mascherano has shown how good he can be, Lucas has gone backwards as far as im concerned. Glad kuyt on the wing and Keane up front though
Happy enough with that. Masch has needed a rest as he didn't get a break over the summer and has looked extremely tired. Lucas can be good when it is running right for him, and given the nature of the game and the fact that Arsenal are a footballing team this might suit him better than other games. Keane must deliver, but so too must the players supplying him. Kut, Riera and Gerard need to support him early and often. Nice balance at the back and absolutely delighted to see Agger back and Insua getting his chance. A massive vote of confidence for him to be picked in such a high profile game.
Mascherano has the flu.
On a fashion note, the grey top and red shorts just doesnt look right ;D
liverpools rig is terrible, whats the score?? ;)
some goal :(
Keane to score a hat trick, or be sent off
great goal
One down two to go ;D
That will keep the boo boys quiet!!!
Get in there!
Liverpool closed out the half well and should be going in 1 up Gerrard should have done better! Great to see keane score, great strike aswell!! fabregas seems to be hurt which would be a big blow to arsenal.
Not see a goal much better than van Persies this season, Bergkamp would have been proud of it!
Hopefully another goal in liverpool, the Arsenal defence is leaving acres free behind them!
Two sublime finishes.
Great pace by Keane to make the opportunity, and then what presence of mind to hit it on the half volley before the challenges came in.
We need a winner here - a draw only really helps United & Chelsea.
Knee ligaments for Fabregas. Great news altogether.
Thats a pity about Fabregas, I like watching him play. Didnt look a particularly nasty challenge either
is there a winner?
Fair result in the end, as Liverpool didn't really push the issue. Adebayor's first yellow was a bit harsh, so he was unlucky. Keane's finish brought back memories of Fowler at his height - excellently taken, as was Van Persie's.
Ref destroyed it with the sending off!
Both tackles were over the top but dont think there was much intent, more a case of him trying to get between man and ball.
Point at the Emirates isnt that bad, was well impressed with Insua at left back but our bench today looked very poor. Do you think he will go for any signings January?
Finishes 1-1
We were actually playing much better against 11 men. Adebayor going off seemed to get the remaining Arsenal players working five times as hard. Still Agger had a long range shot go close and El Zahr put a header just past the post near the end. Still and oppertunity missed considering the Arse were down to 10 and had lost Fabregas. Not a bad result but you'd have liked them to go for the win a bit more in the 2nd half but in fairness Arsenal upped their workrate considerably. Need to start winning again pronto though. And get Torres back on the pitch.
Great goal for Keane. Hope it begins a run for him. Thought Insua did quite well at left-back. Far prefer him to Dossena anyway. Babel was poor when he came on. Kept losing the ball.
Isn't Jamie Redknapp a prat!, insisting it was a great point for Liverpool whereas Hoddle was rightly saying how he couldn't understand why they didn't go for it against 10 men.
There's too many draws being had for Liverpool to win the title.
Quote from: glens73 on December 21, 2008, 06:20:21 PM
There's too many draws being had for Liverpool to win the title.
You could say the same about Man U and Chelsea except everyone expects them to go and win 10 games on the trot soon. League will probably be won by the lowest points total in years.
Hmmmm I'm not sure if I am happy, annoyed, confused or what. I haven't worked it out yet.
On paper it is a very good result and we played quite well. Insua was excellent and he got some great ball in, Aurelio is no longer a shoo-in, which is obviously good for the team. Carragher and Agger done well and Arbeloa is really coming into his own. Kuyt was good, especially in the 15 before halftime, he tortured Clichy. Reira was quiet today, didn't threathen much. Alonso was ok, a bit poorer than the high standard he has set. I thought Lucas was doing ok, but was our bes tplayer when they went down to 10 - probably demonstrates how the match went after that point.
Gerrard had one of his poorer games. Continually gave the ball away and should have scored before the interval. Keane was living off scraps but took the goal superbly. As J70 says first thing I thought off was Fowler. Hard to know which goal was the best today.
1-0 down after 24 minutes, a point would have been taken. We have played Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton and Villa away and we are still top. This is a weird season and it is impossible to predict what will happen in the second half.
One more note, Babel is regressing at a fast rate for me.
Quote from: corn02 on December 21, 2008, 06:33:47 PM
One more note, Babel is regressing at a fast rate for me.
At least last season he used to be excellent when coming on a sub. Now he's terrible after he comes on. Have to wonder if his heart is in it seeing as he asked to go back to Ajax on loan.
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Quote from: corn02 on December 21, 2008, 06:33:47 PM
One more note, Babel is regressing at a fast rate for me.
At least last season he used to be excellent when coming on a sub. Now he's terrible after he comes on. Have to wonder if his heart is in it seeing as he asked to go back to Ajax on loan.
Agreed. That is why I take issue with people making a big deal when Babel doesn;t come on for Kuyt, I know who I would rather have. I reckon he had five touches today and lost it four times, Kuyt would have at least helf onto two of them. :-[
It is nevr a good sign when he is looking an escape route like he was. It is frustrating because I am still expecting it to click for him, but at the moment El Zhar is a better option for me.
Just seen the goals on the news, two fantastic strikes. As Corn states 'wierd season'.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 21, 2008, 07:02:21 PM
Just seen the goals on the news, two fantastic strikes. As Corn states 'wierd season'.
Certainly is, I really don;t know what to expect in the second half of the year.
It is a decent result but the way the game panned out was a bit disappointed not to win the game as Im sure the players are. I thought at half time that the period between Keane's goal and half time would be the best chance of nicking the win and thats the way it turned out in the end.
Very impressed by the two full backs today. Arbeloa's ball retention is vastly improved and Insua looked positionally sound and offered a good outlet at times. Lucas was steady too and rarely gave the ball away but must have given away maybe 8 free kicks the whole game. He lacks direction with his tackling. just seems to aimlessly chop at the legs of the man and hope that he gets the ball.
Great goal by Keane. Fair play to him taking it first time it was a great finish. Thought Kuyt worked hard and succeeded in keeping Clichy on the back foot for most of the game. Gerrard was quiet enough but showed some great touches throughout and a great tackle on Van Persie towards the end. If only there wasnt as much pace on Kuyt's centre late in the first half he would have had a simple tap-in.
El Zhar is a bit like Riera in that he has the ability to hold the ball in tight situations just when you think he has lost it or overrun it. Someone I would like to see more of ahead of the likes of Benayoun and even Babel who at the minute looks so disinterested. He does have the ability to be a match winner on his day but has made very little imapct as a sub since the Man U game, must be maybe ten times he has come on since. His attitude must not be quite right at present. His first touch simply isn't what it should be. Don't think he will lwave in January though because we don't have anyone else like him to bring of the bench. maybe a few more starts would help him reclaim his confidence I don't know.
Overall I suppose happy enough with the point. Still in the hunt at this stage. Last season at Christmas we were 11 behind arsenal so gota b happy enough and hopefully with Torres back soon we can start turning draws into wins.
Quote from: Minus15 on December 21, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
If only there wasnt as much pace on Kuyt's centre late in the first half he would have had a simple tap-in.
I had completely forgotten about that. Should have been a goal. Kuyt just put too much on it. A bit less power and Gerrard would have tapped it in.
At half time, i was thinking this game is here for the taking, Liverpool's midfield should be too strong and experienced for Arsenals, and we should win 3-1.
However, this season has to be the hardest to predict, every match is so up and down, nothing ever goes to plan.
I wouldnt be surprised if Everton got a point tomorrow night.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 21, 2008, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: glens73 on December 21, 2008, 06:20:21 PM
There's too many draws being had for Liverpool to win the title.
You could say the same about Man U and Chelsea except everyone expects them to go and win 10 games on the trot soon. League will probably be won by the lowest points total in years.
I just think that those draws against Stoke, Hull, West Ham and Fulham will come back to haunt them and will probably be repeated against other poor teams, United won't do that as the season progresses.
Feeling the same as corn,I dunno how to feel after that,I thought Lucas should have been taken off that time Reira was and move Kuyt up front along side Keane with Babel on the left..
Saying that Babel offered nothing when he came on and I think he won't be around much longer he really isn't showing any sort of form,I know he is only been used as a sub but I don't see anything about him that makes me think he will turn out to be the star we hoped he be.
I thought Kuyt was bad again to today,not that he done anything wrong but he didn't offer much,I think the guy needs a rest if you ask me..
1-1 against Arsenal is a good result usually but 3 points were there for the taking so in a way it is 2 points dropped.
Selection Selection Details Result
1 Football Matches Win
Premier League Matches
Arsenal v Liverpool
21st of Dec 2008 4:00 pm
Win-Draw-Win
Draw @ 11 - 5
More handy money from the 'lets play it safe and play for a draw' scousers... take a good look at the premier table lads because I think it is the last time you will see LFC at the top for a long while ;D ;D :D
1 point is better than none at the emirates :-*
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2008, 09:39:36 PM
Selection Selection Details Result
1 Football Matches Win
Premier League Matches
Arsenal v Liverpool
21st of Dec 2008 4:00 pm
Win-Draw-Win
Draw @ 11 - 5
More handy money from the 'lets play it safe and play for a draw' scousers... take a good look at the premier table lads because I think it is the last time you will see LFC at the top for a long while ;D ;D :D
Haven't you boys been saying this for the past two months?
He could be right surely, but United still have to win their games in hand so nothing is certain yet.
As someone said earlier, it will be the lowest points total in many a year that will win it.
Liverpool are basically the form team in the second half of the season unber Rafa, but that has been when there has been a lot more rotation.
We are like United in that we have basically all our big away days done (bar United), but, again, I don't know if that is good or bad going on this season.
Thew bottom line is that if Torres returns and is fit, we will see the team step up a gear no doubt. If he satys injured Keane will probably decide our season. Big barrier crossed today from him, he has more goals in the league than Berbatov now, will be interesting to see if there is still a witchhunt for him.
Quote from: corn02 on December 21, 2008, 10:51:41 PM
As someone said earlier, it will be the lowest points total in many a year that will win it.
Nonsense. Derby had 11 points last season in total.
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Quote from: Minus15 on December 21, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
If only there wasnt as much pace on Kuyt's centre late in the first half he would have had a simple tap-in.
I had completely forgotten about that. Should have been a goal. Kuyt just put too much on it. A bit less power and Gerrard would have tapped it in.
Disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on the ball to get it by the defender. Despite Andy Gray doing his best, there was no excuse for Gerrard missing that. He'd a shíte game, and that typified it.
I agree with Laoislad in that Kuyt had a poor second half, particular the last quarter. Himself and Babel were the death of almost all our moves in that period. Keane was by far our most likely scorer, so taking him off was strange. Though El Zhar was very unlucky with that header at the end.
Arsenal were cat in the second half, but we werent good enough to break them down. Lucas was the best midfielder on the pitch and Insua was the most creative player. That says a lot about both teams! For Liverpool that was another two points lost.
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Quote from: Minus15 on December 21, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
If only there wasnt as much pace on Kuyt's centre late in the first half he would have had a simple tap-in.
I had completely forgotten about that. Should have been a goal. Kuyt just put too much on it. A bit less power and Gerrard would have tapped it in.
Disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on the ball to get it by the defender. Despite Andy Gray doing his best, there was no excuse for Gerrard missing that. He'd a shíte game, and that typified it.
Thank you. The crowd I watch the match with are very anti-Kuyt and he was getting the brunt of it. The fact of the matter is he done well on the right and put a good ball in, terrible miss. If it had of been a role reversal Kuyt would have been strung up.
I agree with that. Kuyt did very well there, and he had a great shot that was well saved by Almunia as well. Not Kuyts worst game by a long way, although he still traps the ball like he hates it :D
Great finish by Robbie Keane, delighted for him to score, but Liverpool are really missing a cutting edge. In my mind that's another 2 points gone begging, given the way the game panned out. I'd have been happy enough with a draw at 3.55 pm, but Liverpool had the winning of that.
Still a 1-1 away to Arsenal won't lose the league. Draws at home to Stoke, Fulham, West Ham et al on the other hand....
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 22, 2008, 10:47:38 AM
I agree with that. Kuyt did very well there, and he had a great shot that was well saved by Almunia as well. Not Kuyts worst game by a long way, although he still traps the ball like he hates it :D
Great finish by Robbie Keane, delighted for him to score, but Liverpool are really missing a cutting edge. In my mind that's another 2 points gone begging, given the way the game panned out. I'd have been happy enough with a draw at 3.55 pm, but Liverpool had the winning of that.
Still a 1-1 away to Arsenal won't lose the league. Draws at home to Stoke, Fulham, West Ham et al on the other hand....
The stats shown just before the sending off showed that Liverpool had something like 74% of the possession up to that point in the 2nd half. That backs up your point AZ and is the story of Liverpool's season. It also makes a mockery of Wenger's post match interview. My God that man is blinkered, saying that THEY were dominating the game and how he had no doubt that they would've won the game with 11 men. In fairness Arsenal really stood up to Liverpool with the 10 men. Though that Lucas had by far his best game in a Liverpool shirt with Insua showing some potential in a position Liverpool badly need filled. Gerrard was disappointing, he didn't link up with Keane the way he did so often last year with Torres. I was thrilled for Keane, what a goal, and silenced the Boos in the Emirates for all of five minutes which really is saying something.
Quote from: Hound on December 22, 2008, 07:35:41 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 21, 2008, 07:22:28 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on December 21, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
If only there wasnt as much pace on Kuyt's centre late in the first half he would have had a simple tap-in.
I had completely forgotten about that. Should have been a goal. Kuyt just put too much on it. A bit less power and Gerrard would have tapped it in.
Disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on the ball to get it by the defender. Despite Andy Gray doing his best, there was no excuse for Gerrard missing that. He'd a shíte game, and that typified it.
Well I have to disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on it alright but he put too much. He practically blasted it across. Gerrard was stretching for it so I'm not sure how it can be classed as his fault. Not getting on Kuyt's case about it but my instant reaction was that he hit it too hard.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 22, 2008, 10:47:38 AM
but Liverpool are really missing a cutting edge.
Certainly. Is another striker the answer? Owen?
I think Torres coming back will be a help, assuming he can get sharp, but I'd rather a right winger that can beat people, put in crosses, get behind people, etc etc.
Trouble is there's not that many out there. Shaun Wright Philips?
Jimmy Bullard is the man but I kinda hope United buy him.
Is Bullard a right winger? I thought he was more of a central player. I haven't watched him for a while, but I can't ever remember him racing down the line and whipping in crosses. Good dead ball option as well though.
I think that the players are there to do what is necessary to succeed, but that the system is not the right one. I think that they have to bite the bullet and play Gerard on teh right with Alonso and either Lucas or Masch in beside him. You 2 out of 3 from Keane, Torres and Kuyt in a front 2 and Riera on the left. This formation can adjust to the 4-3-2-1 that is being played fairly easily but the 4-4-1-1 should be the main one. Torres as the main striker with the other two as support strikers, the roles they played in their previous clubs.
I know this will never happen and the dogmatic, conservative approach that Benetiz has will be the downfall in winning the League.
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 22, 2008, 12:39:54 PM
Is Bullard a right winger? I thought he was more of a central player. I haven't watched him for a while, but I can't ever remember him racing down the line and whipping in crosses. Good dead ball option as well though.
I seem to remember him in his Wigan days a right sided midfielder though he operates more through the middle these days. Really like him as a player, seems to have a great attitutde.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 22, 2008, 12:46:59 PM
I think that the players are there to do what is necessary to succeed, but that the system is not the right one. I think that they have to bite the bullet and play Gerard on teh right with Alonso and either Lucas or Masch in beside him. You 2 out of 3 from Keane, Torres and Kuyt in a front 2 and Riera on the left. This formation can adjust to the 4-3-2-1 that is being played fairly easily but the 4-4-1-1 should be the main one. Torres as the main striker with the other two as support strikers, the roles they played in their previous clubs.
I know this will never happen and the dogmatic, conservative approach that Benetiz has will be the downfall in winning the League.
Don't know about that. We are top of the league. People will point to West Ham, Fulham, Hull, but we battered them and we were very offensively minded.
The correct formation is a weird one. If Barry had of arrived it is safe to say 4-4-2 would have been the order of the day, but I quite like Gerrad in behind a striker. Ok it hasn't worked wonders, but that is because it needs to be Gerrard and Torres to work.
As Lee said - every team is different, different players uit different teams. The league is becoming that mechanical now.
Two years ago Charlton away from home use to play 4-3-3 going forward and 4-5-1 when without the ball. We are basically doing the same thing and so far, so good. To do it right you need two workhorses on the wing and they also have to be speed merchants. We have a mixture.
Kuyt is obviously a workhorse, but is not going to break at pace. Reira isn't fast but is a good worker and is very good at moving the play swiftly forward. There are few players who fir the mould - Tevez is probably the best in the Premierhsip at that role. I think Bullard was a wind-up but and in an ideal world we would get Young in, but never in a million years.
The key is being able to adapt. I think we should have went 4-4-2 a lot sooner, but credit has to be given to Arsenal.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on December 22, 2008, 12:39:54 PM
Is Bullard a right winger? I thought he was more of a central player. I haven't watched him for a while, but I can't ever remember him racing down the line and whipping in crosses. Good dead ball option as well though.
I seem to remember him in his Wigan days a right sided midfielder though he operates more through the middle these days. Really like him as a player, seems to have a great attitutde.
A great player indeed with a fantastic attitude, but certainly not a top four player. He reminds me of McFadden. When on-song for Everton he was first class, but you just knew he wasn't top four, or should that be top five, quality.
QuoteA great player indeed with a fantastic attitude, but certainly not a top four player. He reminds me of McFadden. When on-song for Everton he was first class, but you just knew he wasn't top four, or should that be top five, quality.
Dunno if it's easy classify a player in that way as different managers can get different things from players. Take Riera for example, not good enough for City but then ends up at Liverpool.
Seen a great clip of Bullard at the week end from his Wigan days, where he was looking up at Big Duncan Ferguson after (I think) Ferguson punched Scharner.. funny as!
Quote from: under the bar on December 22, 2008, 01:15:32 PM
QuoteA great player indeed with a fantastic attitude, but certainly not a top four player. He reminds me of McFadden. When on-song for Everton he was first class, but you just knew he wasn't top four, or should that be top five, quality.
Dunno if it's easy classify a player in that way as different managers can get different things from players. Take Riera for example, not good enough for City but then ends up at Liverpool.
Good point, but Reira bit is a misconception. City wanted Reira, two clubs could not agree a fee.
here's a little Liverpool picture quiz for you all to tackle as you wind down towards christmas.
some easy, some very hard. Enjoy...
http://quizible.com/quiz/liverpool-fc/432
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 22, 2008, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 22, 2008, 07:35:41 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 21, 2008, 07:22:28 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on December 21, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
If only there wasnt as much pace on Kuyt's centre late in the first half he would have had a simple tap-in.
I had completely forgotten about that. Should have been a goal. Kuyt just put too much on it. A bit less power and Gerrard would have tapped it in.
Disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on the ball to get it by the defender. Despite Andy Gray doing his best, there was no excuse for Gerrard missing that. He'd a shíte game, and that typified it.
Well I have to disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on it alright but he put too much. He practically blasted it across. Gerrard was stretching for it so I'm not sure how it can be classed as his fault. Not getting on Kuyt's case about it but my instant reaction was that he hit it too hard.
A low and hard side foot, hardly a blast. While he was stretching, Gerrard got a full foot on - it wasnt his toe that made contact, it was his laces. But the really stupid thing was going at it with his right foot. Wouldt mind if he'd no left foot - two weeks ago he'd 4 shots from outside the box with his left foot!
Quote from: Hound on December 22, 2008, 02:44:27 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 22, 2008, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: Hound on December 22, 2008, 07:35:41 AM
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Quote from: Minus15 on December 21, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
If only there wasnt as much pace on Kuyt's centre late in the first half he would have had a simple tap-in.
I had completely forgotten about that. Should have been a goal. Kuyt just put too much on it. A bit less power and Gerrard would have tapped it in.
Disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on the ball to get it by the defender. Despite Andy Gray doing his best, there was no excuse for Gerrard missing that. He'd a shíte game, and that typified it.
Well I have to disagree with that. Kuyt had to put pace on it alright but he put too much. He practically blasted it across. Gerrard was stretching for it so I'm not sure how it can be classed as his fault. Not getting on Kuyt's case about it but my instant reaction was that he hit it too hard.
A low and hard side foot, hardly a blast. While he was stretching, Gerrard got a full foot on - it wasnt his toe that made contact, it was his laces. But the really stupid thing was going at it with his right foot. Wouldt mind if he'd no left foot - two weeks ago he'd 4 shots from outside the box with his left foot!
How I saw it.
Read the mirror ratings, can't agree with many. Gave Alonso 9, Insua just got 6 and Kuyt, although very good, was not an 8.
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 22, 2008, 02:19:22 PM
here's a little Liverpool picture quiz for you all to tackle as you wind down towards christmas.
some easy, some very hard. Enjoy...
http://quizible.com/quiz/liverpool-fc/432
32 out of 42.
Stuck on 2, 3, 8, 11, 20, 21, 28, 30, 33, 35
Quote from: Hound on December 22, 2008, 04:06:08 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 22, 2008, 02:19:22 PM
here's a little Liverpool picture quiz for you all to tackle as you wind down towards christmas.
some easy, some very hard. Enjoy...
http://quizible.com/quiz/liverpool-fc/432
32 out of 42.
Stuck on 2, 3, 8, 11, 20, 21, 28, 30, 33, 35
2-John Aldridge
11-Steve McManaman
28-Igor Biscan
35-Bjorn Tore Kvarme
8 Didi Hamann
30 xabi alonso
3. Emlyn Hughes
20. think it is Jimmy case
21. Gary Ablett
20 - ian callaghan
Very good.
30 (thought it was Steve Finnan, but its not) and 33 left for me now.
30 xabi alonso
33 is very easy
Stevie G
Feck I'm shit at this need 6,9,14,15,19, 22,26,32 and 37.
Is 6 not marcus babbel?
Ah oul degen for 32
put me outa my misery who the fcuk is 37?
6-marKus babbel
14-roger hunt
15 steve heighway
26 mark lawrenson
32 philipp degen
Feck if i could spell, I'd be doin rightly. Anyone else think Hunt looks abit like Sami?
yeh its the big chin and i though that jersey was the one from the late nineties for a min
Quote from: stiffler on December 21, 2008, 09:46:16 PM
1 point is better than none at the emirates :-*
Very well put. Where did you learn that, was it possibly straight out of Mark Lawrenson's insightful award-winning research entitled "Goals Win Matches"?
On Babel, does anyone think if he had went to UTD or Arsenal he would have progressed at this disappointing rate? Or am I just being paranoid.
Christmas wishes granted
Liverpool striker Andriy Voronin has revealed he is keen to join Bundesliga club Hertha Berlin on a permanent basis.
The 29-year-old Ukraine international joined Hertha from the Reds on a season-long loan in the summer and has scored three goals in 13 league appearances so far.
"I'm getting along fine at Hertha," he told Bild. "I've been well received by the players and there are no problems with the coaching staff and the manager."
He added: "Things are also going well with the football.
"The most important thing is what Hertha want. If the club really are interested in me staying, I'm sure we'll be able to find a way."
Quote from: Minus15 on December 22, 2008, 05:13:12 PM
put me outa my misery who the fcuk is 37?
37 is mauricio pellegrino. please somebody put me out of my misery, im still missing 4 of them - 9, 12, 19 & 27. And i just know that they are obvious ones. :-[
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 22, 2008, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on December 22, 2008, 05:13:12 PM
put me outa my misery who the fcuk is 37?
37 is mauricio pellegrino. please somebody put me out of my misery, im still missing 4 of them - 9, 12, 19 & 27. And i just know that they are obvious ones. :-[
12 is Crouchy and 27 is Skrtel
I still need 9, 19 and 22 if anybody can help out
Quote from: gawa316 on December 22, 2008, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 22, 2008, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on December 22, 2008, 05:13:12 PM
put me outa my misery who the fcuk is 37?
37 is mauricio pellegrino. please somebody put me out of my misery, im still missing 4 of them - 9, 12, 19 & 27. And i just know that they are obvious ones. :-[
12 is Crouchy and 27 is Skrtel
I still need 9, 19 and 22 if anybody can help out
cheers gawa, i knew they were obvious ones. 22 is beardsley's chin. so thats both of us looking for 9 & 19.
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 22, 2008, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 22, 2008, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on December 22, 2008, 07:02:48 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on December 22, 2008, 05:13:12 PM
put me outa my misery who the fcuk is 37?
37 is mauricio pellegrino. please somebody put me out of my misery, im still missing 4 of them - 9, 12, 19 & 27. And i just know that they are obvious ones. :-[
12 is Crouchy and 27 is Skrtel
I still need 9, 19 and 22 if anybody can help out
cheers gawa, i knew they were obvious ones. 22 is beardsley's chin. so thats both of us looking for 9 & 19.
19 is Billy Liddell i think.
9 is Phil Taylor....manager 1956-59
Quote from: dodo on December 22, 2008, 08:24:49 PM
9 is Phil Taylor....manager 1956-59
Some darts player :P
Quote from: stiffler on December 21, 2008, 07:23:39 PM
At half time, i was thinking this game is here for the taking, Liverpool's midfield should be too strong and experienced for Arsenals, and we should win 3-1.
However, this season has to be the hardest to predict, every match is so up and down, nothing ever goes to plan.
I wouldnt be surprised if Everton got a point tomorrow night.
;)
Top for Christmas courtesy of a seasonal gift from the toffees. ;D
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2008, 09:39:36 PM
More handy money from the 'lets play it safe and play for a draw' scousers... take a good look at the premier table lads because I think it is the last time you will see LFC at the top for a long while ;D ;D :D
Hope you had a good look EC, :D :D :D
You can take another look after Christmas, they ll still be their!
Surely!
Fu you! :D
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2008, 09:39:36 PM
Selection Selection Details Result
1 Football Matches Win
Premier League Matches
Arsenal v Liverpool
21st of Dec 2008 4:00 pm
Win-Draw-Win
Draw @ 11 - 5
More handy money from the 'lets play it safe and play for a draw' scousers... take a good look at the premier table lads because I think it is the last time you will see LFC at the top for a long while ;D ;D :D
Perhaps United and Chelsea will get their shit together next week EC...
Believe me lads I am as happy as you lot at Chelsea dropping points, I fully expected liverpool to drop at least 2 points against Arsenal but I did not expect Chelsea to drop points against Everton. It is an unexpected bonus for Utd to make up 2 points on both teams the same weekend they are crowned world champions ;D ;D :D
Nov 8 Nov 30 Dec 6 Dec 23
Chelsea 4/5 11/10 11/10 6/5
Man Utd 3/1 9/4 7/4 13/8
Liverpool 4/1 3/1 4/1 4/1
Arsenal 10/1 20/1 14/1 20/1
Aston V 125/1 150/1 * 50/1
(from bet365.com)
Quote from: EC Unique on December 23, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
Believe me lads I am as happy as you lot at Chelsea dropping points, I fully expected liverpool to drop at least 2 points against Arsenal but I did not expect Chelsea to drop points against Everton. It is an unexpected bonus for Utd to make up 2 points on both teams the same weekend they are crowned world champions ;D ;D :D
Who did utd get three points against at the weekend??
Whiskey nose himself has said before that he would rather have points on the board than games in hand.
Quote from: stiffler on December 24, 2008, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 23, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
Believe me lads I am as happy as you lot at Chelsea dropping points, I fully expected liverpool to drop at least 2 points against Arsenal but I did not expect Chelsea to drop points against Everton. It is an unexpected bonus for Utd to make up 2 points on both teams the same weekend they are crowned world champions ;D ;D :D
Who did utd get three points against at the weekend??
Whiskey nose himself has said before that he would rather have points on the board than games in hand.
Uusally you would scoff at his comment as just keeping feet on the ground, but they way the leagu is going if United dropped two I would not be shocked. I see Pennant was linked with Real Madrid :o, can't be tru surely.
From daily mail:
Jermaine Pennant has priced himself out of an incredible move to Real Madrid as his wage demands forced a £3.5million transfer to collapse last night.
Madrid were expecting to announce the unlikely signing today after agreeing a fee with Liverpool for their reserve right winger, who has started only two Barclays Premier League matches this season.
Instead Pennant, who asked for £60,000 a week — almost double what was being offered by the Spanish giants — will now have to decide whether to accept a loan offer from Wigan or Stoke.
At the JJB Stadium he would be able to play for Steve Bruce again. He will then be a free agent in the summer when he believes he can command a better salary.
Although the salary demand is not remarkable in the modern game, Madrid — who have just spent £20million on Lassana Diarra from Portsmouth — set a ceiling on their pay offer.
At 6pm last night, Sportsmail believed the deal was close to conclusion, only for it to break down two hours later when Pennant's demands emerged. Madrid will not negotiate on their basic salary offer of £1.5m-a-year.
what a tube :-\
Of course Daily Mail should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I read that it was bollocks, and would imagine it is. Waste of space
Quote from: corn02 on December 24, 2008, 10:35:44 AM
Quote from: stiffler on December 24, 2008, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on December 23, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
Believe me lads I am as happy as you lot at Chelsea dropping points, I fully expected liverpool to drop at least 2 points against Arsenal but I did not expect Chelsea to drop points against Everton. It is an unexpected bonus for Utd to make up 2 points on both teams the same weekend they are crowned world champions ;D ;D :D
Who did utd get three points against at the weekend??
Whiskey nose himself has said before that he would rather have points on the board than games in hand.
Uusally you would scoff at his comment as just keeping feet on the ground, but they way the leagu is going if United dropped two I would not be shocked.
Surely the big difference this year is that Liverpool have come through their dodgy November and December form, not only not hopelessly adrift of United and Chelsea, but a little ahead of them. Obviously there are no guarantees that Liverpool will pick up their form post-Christmas as they have done in previous seasons, but the United gloaters here seem to be convinced that they won't pick up their form under any circumstances. Let's not write them off just yet.
The Liverpool XI in full is: Reina, Carragher, Insua, Hyypia, Agger, Riera, Benayoun, Alonso, Gerrard, Kuyt, Keane. Subs: Cavalieri, Ngog, El Zhar, Mascherano, Babel, Lucas, Darby.
Anyone got a half decent link? Can't get anything working
http://footballlive09.blogspot.com/
Channel 2
Good win today against a poor Bolton side. Keane starting to show his through worth now with two fine goals.
Insua keeps impressing from left back.
Still top with Newcastle up next.
Quote from: EC Unique on December 21, 2008, 09:39:36 PM
take a good look at the premier table lads because I think it is the last time you will see LFC at the top for a long while ;D ;D :D
Quote of the year :D
Cheers for the link.
Completely dominated that game. Pepe barely had a save to make. Insua and Riera link up well on the left. Keane took his 2 goals superbly. Hopefully Torres will be back on the bench for the Toon game
Will the dogs now be called off on Keane (i was one) ? I find it astonishing that whilst there has been a media witch hunt from sections of the media due to Keanes poor early season goal return Berbatov has performed at a similar or worse level yet never a word is uttered. Is it because he is a "classy foreigner" and only the odd flick or backheel is needed ( and zero workrate) to satisfy some? Weird.
Quote from: Minder on December 26, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
Will the dogs now be called off on Keane (i was one) ? I find it astonishing that whilst there has been a media witch hunt from sections of the media due to Keanes poor early season goal return Berbatov has performed at a similar or worse level yet never a word is uttered. Is it because he is a "classy foreigner" and only the odd flick or backheel is needed ( and zero workrate) to satisfy some? Weird.
Yes you are. You all should write a letter of apology to young Robert. Shame on you Minder.
What could've been a tricky tie for Lpool should now be a fairly handy one following boxing day injuries to Viduka, Jose Enrique, Beye and a suspension to Bassong. With Martins and 4 or 5 others out already it's a patched up Newcastle. This mornings announcement re Ashley will also add to the soap opera at St James, and cast another shadowy, gloom over the place.
Rafa drops Keana and Alonso!
Newcastle: Given, Edgar, Taylor, Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Gutierrez, Guthrie, Butt, N'Zogbia, Duff, Owen. Subs: Harper, Xisco, Geremi, Ameobi, Kadar, LuaLua, Carroll.
Liverpool: Reina, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Insua, Benayoun, Mascherano, Leiva Lucas, Babel, Gerrard, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Keane, Riera, Alonso, Ngog, El Zhar, Skrtel.
Keane dropped just as he hits form :o It must be frustrating to have Rafa at times like this :-\
Jesus this should be at least 4 or 5 nil
Liverpool 0 Given 0 so far.
Newcastle are shocking!
Stevie G :D
Hypia!!
Good stream for you scumbags
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iraqgoals30 (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iraqgoals30)
Password 5000
Good timing for the stream...2-1
unbelievable. Liverpool should be 4 or 5 up. Makes for an interesting second half... Wonder will Robert get a run?
From Yahoo:
And that is the half-time whistle! Liverpool have pasted Newcastle but - thanks to some incredible goalkeeping by Shay Given and some slack defending just before the break - they are only one goal to the good.
And from BBC:
As I said, a ridiculous half of football really. I can't remember seeing a Premier League team so thoroughly outplayed as Newcastle were in that half but, thanks to a quite phenomenal performance from Shay Given and that David Edgar goal, they're still in this. Only if Joe Kinnear can sort out his defence though...
Whilst I'm at it, the Guardian:
An unbelievably dominant Liverpool go into half-time only one goal to the good, thanks largely to their own profligacy in front of goal, Shay Given's heroics in it, and then a lapse of concentration right at the death, which allowed Edgar to head home. The visitors should have been home and dry by now - and it's hard not to suggest that if they'd been playing with some proper strikers they would have been. But at least there's something to look forward to in the next 45. Newcastle might fancy they can nick something unlikely, which could open it up even more. Stay tuned for the second-half hijinks.
4-1 Pool
66' Lucas on the ball, he plays a delightful diagonal pass wide right to Gerrard who arcs his run around Coloccini and is clean through AND HE LIFTS THE FINISH OVER GIVEN FOR 4-1! Liverpool are on FIRE at the moment. And they don't have Torres. Frightening. YAHOO
1328: GOAL Newcastle 1-4 Liverpool
Lucas delivers an outstanding pass for Steven Gerrard, who runs in from the right before clipping the ball over Shay Given. Still 25 minutes to go, but Liverpool will surely be top of the league as 2009 begins. BBC
GOAL! Newcastle 1-4 Liverpool (Gerrard 66 mins)
That's a wonderful goal from Liverpool - and all outside hopes are snuffed out for Newcastle. Mascerano and Lucas exchange passes in the middle of the park and then Lucas, who has been excellent here, plays an outstanding pass inside Coloccini, picking out Gerrard who is charging down the right. the Liverpool captain latches onto it, cuts inside and lifts it over the on-rushing Given for 4-1. Wonderful ball from Lucas and a sublime finish. GUARDIAN
1-5
Newcastle
Edgar 45+2
Liverpool
Gerrard 31
Hyypia 36
Babel 50
Gerrard 66
Alonso 77 (pen)
Finally:
From Yahoo:
Liverpool finish 2008 on top of the Premier League after a massive win at Newcastle. A statement of intent to the doubters.
Guardian
And that's that. Halsey puts Newcastle out of their misery, to lacklustre booing from the home crowd. Liverpool outplayed them today, and they might actually have lost by many more had the early chances been put away. But 5-1 is actually a pretty fair reflection on this match - and if you think that's just the Guardian's renowned anti-Newcastle bias then that's up to you.
Well that was worth gettin up for at 4 in the morning :)
No joke that could easily have been double figures. Was actually a bit nervous about this match before hand, how wrong was I? Great all round performance, just should have scored a few more. Lucas has fairly lifted his game after Rafa's backing. Another great performance from him today.
8 goals in 2 games, showing some good form, Torres to come back and top of the league going into the new year...nice ;)
Great win! should have been 10, lucas had a great game although the oppisition were very poor.
Fulham helping us out at the minute ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on December 28, 2008, 11:49:39 AM
Keane dropped just as he hits form :o It must be frustrating to have Rafa at times like this :-\
:D Yeah so annoying.
Superb performance, probably the best of the season. Newcastle were awful - they delivered a guide on how not to defend today.
Keane had a groin starin and with two games in 48 hours it was no big problem for him not to play - the scoreline also justified it.
Once again Yossi had a very good game, he has been very impressive the last half dozen games, fair play to him. The whole team were excellent. Gerrad, Kuyt and Lucas especially good.
Fulham did us a favour today
Quote from: corn02 on December 28, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Superb performance, probably the best of the season. Newcastle were awful - they delivered a guide on how not to defend today.
Keane had a groin starin and with two games in 48 hours it was no big problem for him not to play - the scoreline also justified it.
Once again Yossi had a very good game, he has been very impressive the last half dozen games, fair play to him. The whole team were excellent. Gerrad, Kuyt and Lucas especially good.
Great to see Skertll get a run out near the end! With him and Torres returning should strengthen the squad abit for the second half of the season!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 28, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Superb performance, probably the best of the season. Newcastle were awful - they delivered a guide on how not to defend today.
Keane had a groin starin and with two games in 48 hours it was no big problem for him not to play - the scoreline also justified it.
Once again Yossi had a very good game, he has been very impressive the last half dozen games, fair play to him. The whole team were excellent. Gerrad, Kuyt and Lucas especially good.
Great to see Skertll get a run out near the end! With him and Torres returning should strengthen the squad abit for the second half of the season!
The indications are good. The biggest advantage of haviong Torres back is that it should help us break down teams at Anfield. Away from home we seem to play with a bit less pressure and freedom, our away form is excellent in fact.
Ok, we are not saying we are going to win it, but I think we are officially in the title race now.
Quote from: corn02 on December 28, 2008, 04:08:16 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 04:05:13 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 28, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Superb performance, probably the best of the season. Newcastle were awful - they delivered a guide on how not to defend today.
Keane had a groin starin and with two games in 48 hours it was no big problem for him not to play - the scoreline also justified it.
Once again Yossi had a very good game, he has been very impressive the last half dozen games, fair play to him. The whole team were excellent. Gerrad, Kuyt and Lucas especially good.
Great to see Skertll get a run out near the end! With him and Torres returning should strengthen the squad abit for the second half of the season!
The indications are good. The biggest advantage of haviong Torres back is that it should help us break down teams at Anfield. Away from home we seem to play with a bit less pressure and freedom, our away form is excellent in fact.
Ok, we are not saying we are going to win it, but I think we are officially in the title race now.
I will go with that to Corn!
Great result and really could have been 10,Hardly a bad thing to say about anyone though I do still think Babel is a lazy shite.
Insua was great again today,I remember saying on here a few months ago I would like to see him get a run in the team,so maybe Rafa reads the gaaboard.. ;)
Have to say I felt really sorry for Shay Given today,he proved he is in the Top 3 Goalies in the Premier League along with Cech and Reina, surely some big club must be interested in signing him it must be so frustrating for him to be so good and have to put up with such awful defending,I can't see Owen staying with the toon either.
Great result at Craven Cottage too,all in all its been a good sunday :)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 28, 2008, 07:57:40 PM
Great result and really could have been 10,Hardly a bad thing to say about anyone though I do still think Babel is a lazy shite.
Insua was great again today,I remember saying on here a few months ago I would like to see him get a run in the team,so maybe Rafa reads the gaaboard.. ;)
Have to say I felt really sorry for Shay Given today,he proved he is in the Top 3 Goalies in the Premier League along with Cech and Reina, surely some big club must be interested in signing him it must be so frustrating for him to be so good and have to put up with such awful defending,I can't see Owen staying with the toon either.
Great result at Craven Cottage too,all in all its been a good sunday :)
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I would throw Friedel (sp?0 in that bracket too. I admire Given, I admire his loyalty, but will he look back on his career with regret, surely any team would have taken him at some stage. How can you be a serious candidate for man-of-the-match and still concede five?
Good result but Newcastle are crap!!! The difference in the last few games is that there is balance in the side. Insua may be raw, but has all the makings of a fine full back(if slightly on the Shuan Wright Phillips!). Yossi may be playing well, but still has to take too many touches, but is better suited on the right drifting in. With Keane on a good run, and Skertl back wit Torres and Aurelio to come in too, it will be like having a few new players added to the squad.
Now all we have to hope is that Rafa cuts the Heskey crap, roads Dossena, roads Pennant, and picks up at least a full back. I wonder if Mickey Owen might go back on his word to stay to the end of the season as I think the money earmarked for Heskey would be better employed there.
Also good to see Lucas starting to show a bit. He may be fine acquisition too.
Next few league games
Stoke (A)
Everton (H)
Wigan (A)
Then Chelsea at home at the beginning of Febuary.
Man U v Chelsea playing each other next too.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 28, 2008, 09:57:14 PM
Good result but Newcastle are crap!!! The difference in the last few games is that there is balance in the side. Insua may be raw, but has all the makings of a fine full back(if slightly on the Shuan Wright Phillips!). Yossi may be playing well, but still has to take too many touches, but is better suited on the right drifting in. With Keane on a good run, and Skertl back wit Torres and Aurelio to come in too, it will be like having a few new players added to the squad.
Now all we have to hope is that Rafa cuts the Heskey crap, roads Dossena, roads Pennant, and picks up at least a full back. I wonder if Mickey Owen might go back on his word to stay to the end of the season as I think the money earmarked for Heskey would be better employed there.
Also good to see Lucas starting to show a bit. He may be fine acquisition too.
Owen made his bed, but Rafa is so committed to the job that personal feelings would not come in the way if he wanted him.
Re: Fuullback - The rumours are about Johnston - one of the best in the league in my opinion.
Yossi deserves credit he got awful abuse on this thread not s olong ago, while I defended him I did say that he was just below Pool quality, but the last half dozen games he has been excellent.
What is most remarkable about the last two games is how we managed to win without Arvalo Arbeloa ;) ;)
Nov 8 Nov 30 Dec 6 Dec 23 Dec 29
Chelsea 4/5 11/10 11/10 6/5 13/8
Man Utd 3/1 9/4 7/4 13/8 11/8
Liverpool 4/1 3/1 4/1 4/1 5/2
Arsenal 10/1 20/1 14/1 20/1 33/1
Aston V 125/1 150/1 * 50/1 66/1
(from bet365.com)
QuoteNov 8 Nov 30 Dec 6 Dec 23 Dec 29
Chelsea 4/5 11/10 11/10 6/5 13/8
Man Utd 3/1 9/4 7/4 13/8 11/8
Liverpool 4/1 3/1 4/1 4/1 5/2
Arsenal 10/1 20/1 14/1 20/1 33/1
Aston V 125/1 150/1 * 50/1 66/1
Unless anyone really slips up I dont think these odds will change drastically until after each head to head, starting with ManU v Chelsea on 11 Jan.
Steven Gerrard arrested folllowing suspected assault
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7802932.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7802932.stm)
Good result for the scousers, but as someone said earlier Newcastle were brutal
It could have been 3 or 4 nil before Liverpool took the lead
LIVERPOOL FC captain Steven Gerrard is in custody today after police were called to a Merseyside nightspot.
The 28 year-old was arrested in the early hours of this morning on Bold Street, Southport, following a disturbance at licensed premises.
A 34 year-old man, from Southport, suffered facial injuries which are not said to be serious, and was taken to hospital.
The Liverpool FC star spent the rest of the night in the cells and is still being quizzed about the incident.
Police officers were called to premises at around 2.30am where they detained six people on suspicion of section 20 assault.
Four men, aged 33, 31, 29 and 19, from Huyton, Gerrard, from Formby, and an 18 year-old man, from Litherland, were all arrested.
A Merseyside Police said: "We are investigating an assault in the early hours of the morning on Lord Street.
"Officers attended a licensed premises where they detained six people on suspicion of Section 20 assault. They are still being questioned."
As Alex Ferguson would say "Ye winnae win nae Championships outside nae club at 3am"
Quote from: under the bar on December 29, 2008, 11:19:43 AM
As Alex Ferguson would say "Ye winnae win nae Championships outside a club at 3am"
Uhhuh ???
Quote from: under the bar on December 29, 2008, 11:19:43 AM
As Alex Ferguson would say "Ye winnae win nae Championships outside nae club at 3am"
Really? He said that? What about Premierships, can you win those outside clubs at 3am?
QuoteAs Alex Ferguson would say "Ye winnae win nae Championships outside nae club at 3am"
Really? He said that? What about Premierships, can you win those outside clubs at 3am?
He said it to Paul McGrath & Bryan Robson.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 28, 2008, 10:51:23 PM
What is most remarkable about the last two games is how we managed to win without Arvalo Arbeloa ;) ;)
Taking a well deserved break ;D
Quote from: under the bar on December 29, 2008, 02:20:18 PM
QuoteAs Alex Ferguson would say "Ye winnae win nae Championships outside nae club at 3am"
Really? He said that? What about Premierships, can you win those outside clubs at 3am?
He said it to Paul McGrath & Bryan Robson.
I'd highly doubt he said that - being he shipped McGrath off a good 6 years before there even was a Premiership
QuoteAs Alex Ferguson would say "Ye winnae win nae Championships outside nae club at 3am"
Really? He said that? What about Premierships, can you win those outside clubs at 3am?
He said it to Paul McGrath & Bryan Robson.
I'd highly doubt he said that - being he shipped McGrath off a good 6 years before there even was a Premiership
That's why he said Championship.......
Pay no heed - it's too early - haven't had my coffee yet :D
ok lads, the pool are 5/2 or 3/1 whatever bookies you go to. is this the time to hit them for a Celtic, Pool, Linfield, treble? 20 quid pays out around 150 quid
can Liverpool win the League?
if they win all their remaining games they will :D
::)
stats show that the team leading into the new year go on to win the league.
Quotestats show that the team leading into the new year go on to win the league.
Did Arsenal win it last year?
Quote
stats show that the team leading into the new year go on to win the league.
I think you omitted the rather important word "usually".
Newcastle led by 12 points at New Year in 1996.
Lads I'm booking my trip to Liverpool for the Real game,I notice it's nearly a €100 per cheaper to fly to Manchester than to Liverpool,Has anyone any idea the cost of a Taxi to get from Manchester to Liverpool or is there a better way to travel between the two?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on December 29, 2008, 07:56:45 PM
Lads I'm booking my trip to Liverpool for the Real game,I notice it's nearly a €100 per cheaper to fly to Manchester than to Liverpool,Has anyone any idea the cost of a Taxi to get from Manchester to Liverpool or is there a better way to travel between the two?
See United thread.
The Reds XI in full is: Cavalieri, Insua, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Babel, Riera, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard, Keane. Subs: Reina, Torres, Aurelio, Lucas, Ngog, El Zhar, Skrtel.
Strong lineup from Rafa! Good to see! Wants the winning to continue and not going to take any chances in what could be a tricky game!
1-0 Riera.
Robbie back missing chances. Fluffed two good ones. :(
Make that 3, another shocker there before half time. Then the Preston fans (at least I think it was them) started chanting "what a waste of money". He'll probably get one in the second half if he closes his eyes and hammers one again. ;)
should be 3 up at this stage, but playing well. nice goal by riera. hope alonso's alright.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 03, 2009, 06:17:22 PM
Make that 3, another shocker there before half time. Then the Preston fans (at least I think it was them) started chanting "what a waste of money". He'll probably get one in the second half if he closes his eyes and hammers one again. ;)
Arsenal fans were singing that just before he scored against them so here's hoping.
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 03, 2009, 06:18:30 PM
should be 3 up at this stage, but playing well. nice goal by riera. hope alonso's alright.
Wouldn't mind but Keane should have taken the shot there. He tried to play it back to Xabi and he ends up injuring himself.
Lucky to get away with that!
Dangerous lead wouldnt mind seeing a second soon!
Took their time getting the second!
Nice of Gerrard to lay it on for Torres at the end! Fair play to Preston they had a good spell in that second half and were unlucky they didnt get on level terms. Keane could have had a hat rick, Babel worked hard but his control let him down on times, hopefully the injury to Alonso and Masch arent to serious! Alonso was missed second half.
Jammies quality interview ;)
I love the FA Cup so was delighted to see such a strong lineup from Rafa.
Did Babel touch the ball in the whole game?I thought he was brutal again to be honest,I thought Keane played ok despite his misses,At least he is getting into the right positions
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 03, 2009, 07:36:27 PM
I love the FA Cup so was delighted to see such a strong lineup from Rafa.
Did Babel touch the ball in the whole game?I thought he was brutal again to be honest,I thought Keane played ok despite his misses,At least he is getting into the right positions
Keane had a blinder. Should have took anyone else off for Torres.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 03, 2009, 07:36:27 PM
I love the FA Cup so was delighted to see such a strong lineup from Rafa.
Did Babel touch the ball in the whole game?I thought he was brutal again to be honest,I thought Keane played ok despite his misses,At least he is getting into the right positions
Keane had a good enough outing but I don't think Rafa bought him to get into the right positions. He needs to be consistently banging in goals to justify both his place in the team and the price tag. If he doesn't he'll be gone.
Jamie Carragher should play rugby union!
Yes that was a terrible rugby tackle on him by the big striker. Luckily it was noticed and the goal rightly ruled out.
Any word on Alonso ??? Looked pretty nasty especially when he hobbled to the bench in a cast
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 04, 2009, 12:03:55 AM
Any word on Alonso ??? Looked pretty nasty especially when he hobbled to the bench in a cast
Apparently stitches on the foot, but apart from that, they'll have to wait for tests.
Merseyside derby in the Cup.
FA Cup 4th round draw
Liverpool v Everton :o :o :o :o :o
if anyone can get me a few tickets please pm me....squad of us headin over to liverpool that weekend
Quote from: Abble on January 04, 2009, 03:40:30 PM
if anyone can get me a few tickets please pm me....squad of us headin over to liverpool that weekend
Aye good luck with that one :)
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 04, 2009, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: Abble on January 04, 2009, 03:40:30 PM
if anyone can get me a few tickets please pm me....squad of us headin over to liverpool that weekend
Aye good luck with that one :)
aye could be a bit of a mission impossible i agree...all we can do is try. no matter, we'll be in the pool to savour it
So we host our neighbours twice in the space of a week. That should be interesting.
Given a choice, I know which game I'd prefer to win.
QuoteSo we host our neighbours twice in the space of a week.
Bet Gerrard's delighted given that he's in court for assault that same week. lol
Yea I would say stevie G would rather win that one :D :D
Robbie Keane ----------> One of the most frustrating players to watch, the amount of simple chances he c**k's up is unbelieveable.
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 05, 2009, 12:33:20 PM
Robbie Keane ----------> One of the most frustrating players to watch, the amount of simple chances he c**k's up is unbelieveable.
Try watching that lazy cnut Berbatov :-\
Quote from: full back on January 05, 2009, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 05, 2009, 12:33:20 PM
Robbie Keane ----------> One of the most frustrating players to watch, the amount of simple chances he c**k's up is unbelieveable.
Try watching that lazy cnut Berbatov :-\
He was comical yesterday. It was like he was trying to get through the whole game without running. He failed but only just. Some brilliant touches and passes all the same but he is so lazy its untrue.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 05, 2009, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: full back on January 05, 2009, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: cavan4ever on January 05, 2009, 12:33:20 PM
Robbie Keane ----------> One of the most frustrating players to watch, the amount of simple chances he c**k's up is unbelieveable.
Try watching that lazy cnut Berbatov :-\
He was comical yesterday. It was like he was trying to get through the whole game without running. He failed but only just. Some brilliant touches and passes all the same but he is so lazy its untrue.
Even I was getting pissed off with it. A friggin disgrace. Rooney comes on and busts a gut and that **** strolls around. Someone told me that in one of the last Bulgaria games the vaergae distance ran by the team was 6 or 7k and Berbatov ran just over 1k.
Reminds me of Chris Waddle. I'm sure there's stats avail for the distance Berbatov covers in a game. Can't be that far tho!
Good news on Alonso according to the Daily Mail. Just the cut and bad bruising, so he should miss only the Stoke game.
Quote from: J70 on January 06, 2009, 11:29:32 PM
Good news on Alonso according to the Daily Mail. Just the cut and bad bruising, so he should miss only the Stoke game.
The Stoke game is the biggest one of the season so far if you ask me..
Win that and with Man U and Chelsea playing each other on sunday and hopefully ending it ending in a draw we could stretch our lead on them both..
Is it true that Insua is away for a month with Argentina U-20's?
Thought i seen it last night on Sky Sports News but there does not seem to be a mention of it this morning
Liverpool will be without the services of Emiliano Insua for the next month due to his participation in the Under-20 South American Championships with Argentina
The tournament runs from January 19 until February 8
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162737090105-1428.htm
Had a right shock in the post over the christmas. Received a letter from Liverpool FC with a card inside, looked at card and assumed that it was just an renewal of the fancard I previously had. Checked it later that day and thought it was strange as it called it a members card, had my name on it, issue number etc but then it got interesting. It had a seat number on it in the Upper centerary. Actual read the letter then and it made reference to Season ticket, terms & condition of your season ticket renewal etc. Was confused to say the least.
Checked with a few other fancard holders and they didn't receive anything.
Logged into my Fancard account on the official website and in the purchase history I have been allocated a season ticket (which is listed as paid for!), I also had received a ticket for the United game (also paid for) and then it listed the re-issue of the season card which I received.
I'm sure that they have allocated someone elses Season ticket to me in error and I'm expecting a letter any day. Trying to figure out to make work to my advantage. Does anyone know if they have changed the season ticket to a credit card type thing? I know some of the United ones work like that? Had used a Liverpool a few years ago and it was in a book form.
A little bit from King Kenny ;)
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162767090108-1004.htm (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162767090108-1004.htm)
QuoteThe important thing now before every game is not so much to talk about the opposition, but to consider the benefits of winning the game. Every match is vitally important when you play for Liverpool and every match brings a new challenge – but the greatest challenge of all is to win and claim the three points.
Stoke have done well at home this season. They beat Arsenal and were unfortunate to lose to Manchester United recently. Of course they also took a point from Anfield earlier in the season so they may feel they know how to stop us, but we'll see on the day.
It's going to be such an exciting second half of the season and it's inevitable that the so-called mind games will begin. I notice it has started already with certain people in the game speculating that we won't last the distance.
All I would say is forget about these mind games and concentrate solely on what's going on around our own club. Whatever anybody else says is up to them but they won't get into the minds of anyone at Anfield, that's for sure. It may fill some column inches in the papers but it won't distract us. The more others speak about Liverpool then the more worried they are.
If people are talking about us then it shows the respect they have for the position we're in at this moment. Everybody in the league – without any exceptions – would much rather be in Liverpool's position than their own.
And that's a great thing to be able to say as we look forward to the second half of the season.
Wise words from King Kenny as ever.
Quote from: flog the lot on January 07, 2009, 08:46:02 AM
Liverpool will be without the services of Emiliano Insua for the next month due to his participation in the Under-20 South American Championships with Argentina
The tournament runs from January 19 until February 8
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162737090105-1428.htm
Ah fecking Di Santo at that too.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 09, 2009, 06:37:01 AM
Ah fecking Di Santo at that too.
Aye feck he's a big loss alright...how will yis ever cope without him ???
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has launched a furious attack on Manchester United counterpart Sir Alex Ferguson.
Benitez claims that Ferguson is "the only manager who will not be punished" for verbally attacking referees.
"We had a meeting about the respect campaign and I was very clear - forget about it, because Mr Ferguson is killing the referees," said Benitez.
Ferguson was given a two-game touchline ban and fined £10,000 in November for remonstrating with referee Mike Dean.
More to follow.
A bit disappointed. Always admired Rafa's calm compared to Ferguson's continuing mouthing off.
(http://soccerlens.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/rafa-benitez-2.jpg)
Is he sitting on the bog there?
The pressure is starting to tell & its on January :D
Imagine poor Rafa if Liverpool stay in contention until April...............
http://www.liverpoolbanter.co.uk/2009/01/video-liverpool-fc-boss-rafa-b-1.html
Quote from: corn02 on January 09, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez has launched a furious attack on Manchester United counterpart Sir Alex Ferguson.
Benitez claims that Ferguson is "the only manager who will not be punished" for verbally attacking referees.
"We had a meeting about the respect campaign and I was very clear - forget about it, because Mr Ferguson is killing the referees," said Benitez.
Ferguson was given a two-game touchline ban and fined £10,000 in November for remonstrating with referee Mike Dean.
More to follow.
A bit disappointed. Always admired Rafa's calm compared to Ferguson's continuing mouthing off.
i'd say he has a reason behind this... it a big week for utd with 2 big games against chelsea and wigan who are on form...
I quite liked the bit about about Fergie drafting the fixtures himself and letting everyone else know. You can just imagine Fergie sitting with his calendar and a large Whyte & Mackay............
Well in Rafa lad, I take away my inital disappointment comment. Dnr texted me and said "I hope he is not doing a Keegan." Very much planned out and not an outburst. Pre=pallned and methodical. He will have done it for a reason, he has shown he can keep his class but still stand up for himself too. Delighted with this, hopefully we don't blow it tomorrow. I think United and Pool fans will agree when Rafa said United did not expect Liverpool to be top at the moment.
the best piece was his advice for Scolari
he told him to employ the zonal marking system as all the United players will be around the ref
Not sure if it was worth commentating on Ferguson's drivel even if it's all true but Rafa isn't an emotional type like Keegan so he'll have come out and said the things he did for a reason.
You know Ferguson is taking Liverpool seriously though when he's talking about them in the days before they are due to play Chelsea.
Cant wait to see the goons on Sky Soccer Saturday tomorrow, Le Tissier will be "shocked", Merson will be shaking his head "i fink hes lost it big time Jeff, know wat i mean?". Charlie Nich' will probably, with a cheeky smile, announce the end of Liverpools title challenge..............
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2009, 03:47:54 PM
Cant wait to see the goons on Sky Soccer Saturday tomorrow, Le Tissier will be "shocked", Merson will be shaking his head "i fink hes lost it big time Jeff, know wat i mean?". Charlie Nich' will probably, with a cheeky smile, announce the end of Liverpools title challenge..............
Thing is that's exactly what they are going to say. ;D
Quote from: full back on January 09, 2009, 03:14:01 PM
The pressure is starting to tell & its on January :D
Imagine poor Rafa if Liverpool stay in contention until April...............
nonsense. rafa is by a long way the calmest manager in the PL. Nothing seems to phase the man. The only time I've ever seen him so much as raise an eyebrow after Liverpool scored a goal was when babel scored the winner v united. Now imagine if a team like Villa scored a winner v united - O'Neill would still be doing laps of the pitch!!!
If liverpool are still in contention for the next few months, I trust rafa to stay cool throughout. Now the players on the other hand...
Takes the pressure off the players, and one in particular, all the attention will be on Rafa tomorrow.This wasnt a mental Keegan "i will love it" moment. It was obviously pre meditated. Benitez couldnt get "furious" (in public) if he was paid.
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2009, 03:58:45 PM
Takes the pressure off the players, and one in particular, all the attention will be on Rafa tomorrow.This wasnt a mental Keegan "i will love it" moment. It was obviously pre meditated. Benitez couldnt get "furious" (in public) if he was paid.
Spot on, as I said on the Man U thread, both sets of fans will be happy with this interview.
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2009, 03:58:45 PM
Takes the pressure off the players, and one in particular, all the attention will be on Rafa tomorrow.This wasnt a mental Keegan "i will love it" moment. It was obviously pre meditated. Benitez couldnt get "furious" (in public) if he was paid.
True but the media and pundits and so far up Fergie's backside that if anyone even replies to him they will claim a resounding victory for Sir Alex the Derren Brown of the football world.
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
Every game from now on is a big game it doesn't matter if it's Stoke or Everton or Arsenal..
I said earlier I believe this game to be our biggest of the season so far because of Chelsea playing Man U on sunday its a must win game for Liverpool against Stoke so that in itself brings huge pressure
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
That would be my thinking as well db
Fergie loves getting a rise out of other managers aims get them to respond if nothing else
Rafa seems to have taken the bait
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 09, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
Every game from now on is a big game it doesn't matter if it's Stoke or Everton or Arsenal..
I said earlier I believe this game to be our biggest of the season so far because of Chelsea playing Man U on sunday its a must win game for Liverpool against Stoke so that in itself brings huge pressure
Perhaps not the biggest, but right up there. We could implode or send out a warning.
Stoke actually beat Villa at home earlier this season so will be no push-overs, but I do feel Rafa has made a big c**k up with this. The press will love this, I said they would love this.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:11:41 PM
Stoke actually beat Villa at home earlier this season so will be no push-overs, but I do feel Rafa has made a big c**k up with this. The press will love this, I said they would love this.
Disagree, but see where you are coming from. One thing is for sure, it was pre-planned and he would have weighed up the implications and felt it was to the club's advantage. Game on.
Quote from: full back on January 09, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
That would be my thinking as well db
Fergie loves getting a rise out of other managers aims get them to respond if nothing else
Rafa seems to have taken the bait
Thing is if anyone replies to Fergie he is always judged to have won the mind games but when Fergie responds to someone else (as he has done to Mourinho and Wenger in the past) nobody says he's lost the mind games. So basically he can't lose.
The media and pundits are up his hole so you're better off ignoring him.
Quote from: corn02 on January 09, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 09, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
Every game from now on is a big game it doesn't matter if it's Stoke or Everton or Arsenal..
I said earlier I believe this game to be our biggest of the season so far because of Chelsea playing Man U on sunday its a must win game for Liverpool against Stoke so that in itself brings huge pressure
Perhaps not the biggest, but right up there. We could implode or send out a warning.
I believe it to be the biggest and most important so far corn..Win against Stoke and no matter what the result on sunday we will be gaining ground on at least one of our nearest rivials if not both if the game ends in a draw between them,its not every weekend you can say that.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 09, 2009, 04:23:06 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 09, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 09, 2009, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
Every game from now on is a big game it doesn't matter if it's Stoke or Everton or Arsenal..
I said earlier I believe this game to be our biggest of the season so far because of Chelsea playing Man U on sunday its a must win game for Liverpool against Stoke so that in itself brings huge pressure
Perhaps not the biggest, but right up there. We could implode or send out a warning.
I believe it to be the biggest and most important so far corn..Win against Stoke and no matter what the result on sunday we will be gaining ground on at least one of our nearest rivials if not both if the game ends in a draw between them,its not every weekend you can say that.
Yeah, don't worry I am not disagreeing , I have right up there in the top bracket. I just think United at home was the one that kicked us on (despite Stoke home the following Saturday)
"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."
Early contender for quote of the year?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 09, 2009, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: full back on January 09, 2009, 04:09:01 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
In fairness though away to Stoke is hardly the type of game that he would need to remove the pressure from the players. I can't help but think he would have been better to not respond at all as it will only give fuel to the sensationalists.
That would be my thinking as well db
Fergie loves getting a rise out of other managers aims get them to respond if nothing else
Rafa seems to have taken the bait
Thing is if anyone replies to Fergie he is always judged to have won the mind games but when Fergie responds to someone else (as he has done to Mourinho and Wenger in the past) nobody says he's lost the mind games. So basically he can't lose.
The media and pundits are up his hole so you're better off ignoring him.
Exactly why Benitez should have said eff all.
Fergie's response to Rafa (taken from dif site)
(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z179/spidey1703/alex_ferguson_cup_27456a.jpg)
Have to be honest here and say I think Rafa made a bit of a fool of himself today.
If Wenger or Slur Alex had a similar outburst us Liverpool fans would be saying the same things that the fans of the other clubs on this board are now saying.
I can't see any reason for Rafa to do this as he is usually the one who always says he prefers to worry about his own club than anyone else's.
All eyes will be on Fergie come Sunday. Including the refs! Maybe the media will follow it a little closer aswell. Anything less than a win tomorrow by the team will leave it all worthless!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 09, 2009, 07:09:56 PM
All eyes will be on Fergie come Sunday. Including the refs! Maybe the media will follow it a little closer aswell. Anything less than a win tomorrow by the team will leave it all worthless!
Yes, he is taking a big gamble on the Stoke match.
Just seen it now. Thought it was great. Anyone calling it a rant must lead a very subdued life!
Obvious he knew the question was coming and decided he'd have an answer ready.
Loved his advice to other teams to have their management zonal mark the united staff on the line and when he reckons fergie should do up the fixtures ...."simple" as he says himself
I know this being his first year in management perhaps the nerves are getting to him in his attempt to win his first trophy as a manager. All this talk of "mind games" is the biggest load of horse shit, if Liverpool do not win the league it will be, as i suspect, be because the players are simply not good enough. It will because of what Benitez does in the dressing room and on the training pitch & ultimately what the players do/dont do on the pitch. Anyone that thinks what Benitez said in a media interview today will have any bearing needs their head looked and have been watching too much Sky Sports News & reading too much of the Sun/Mirror. I found it a refreshing change from Benitez talking about "possibilities" and "having the quality".........
Quote from: North Longford on January 09, 2009, 08:12:30 PM
Just seen it now. Thought it was great. Anyone calling it a rant must lead a very subdued life!
Well yes it was hardly a rant a la Keegan. He rather calmly went through a few points he wanted to get off his chest.
Of course all the Sky Sports crew and the tabloids will inevitably portray it as "Fergie proves master of mind games once again".
Just watched it there now. Was expecting a Keegan esk sort of outburst.
Was nothing of the sort and was very much preplanned 'Mr Ferguson'.
All the talk in the press tommorrow will be about Rafa, Fergie and the mindgames.
Takes the focus of the players for the Stoke game.
He sounded like he was wrote at one point.Definitely a rant
Quote from: laceer on January 09, 2009, 10:51:38 PM
He sounded like he was wrote at one point.Definitely a rant
How was it a rant? If that is the case Ferguson is on a rant at every press conference.
Quote from: corn02 on January 10, 2009, 01:01:40 AM
Quote from: laceer on January 09, 2009, 10:51:38 PM
He sounded like he was wrote at one point.Definitely a rant
How was it a rant? If that is the case Ferguson is on a rant at every press conference.
Well he's usually had a few by then to be fair.
What do make of Alex Ferguson's comments recently?
I was surprised, but I have to talk about facts because I think it is important.
I think that they are nervous because we are at the top of the table. But I want to be clear that I do not want to play mind games too early. I think that they want to start that so I have taken some facts so it will be easier to talk about this.
November 1 they played against Hull City and Mr Ferguson, their manager, was given a two-match touchline ban and fined £10,000 after confronting Mike Dean, the referee, for improper conduct.
We have started a Respect Campaign. And we started with the sending off of Javier Mascherano at Old Trafford from the referee, Mr Bennett. But that was also the referee when Manchester United played Wigan, and he couldn't see the handball from Rio Ferdinand. He didn't give a penalty and they won the title.
I think that will also be the same referee that they have in the game in hand against Wigan.
During this Respect Campaign, he was charged by the FA following comments made towards Martin Atkinson, but he was not punished. He is the only manager in the league who cannot be punished.
rafastoke
Two years ago we were playing a lot of early kick-offs on a Saturday morning away, while United were playing on a Sunday and no one was saying anything. Now he is complaining that everybody is against United.
They will play against all the teams in the top of the table in the second half of the season - I think that is a fantastic advantage. But I don't know why, at Christmas time, United played on the 29th December instead of the 28th, while we played against Newcastle away. He was not complaining this time. He was not thinking about this.
About his behaviour with referees, the Southampton manager knows how Mr Ferguson works. He was very clear the other day. It is a fact. I am not playing mind games. This is about facts.
If Mr Ferguson wants to talk about the fixtures, and we want to be on a level playing field here, there are two options: one is where is the same as in Spain. The first part of the league, all the teams know at this time they will play against this team on this weekend, or that weekend, and the second half of the league will be the opposite - you will play away. After that, Sky or Setanta who has the rights will choose the game and everybody will know when they are playing. That way it would be the same for everyone so Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about the fixtures.
Or maybe the other option would be Mr Ferguson organising the fixtures and everything in his office and sending them to us - then everybody will know and nobody can complain.
Talking about football, because I want to finish with this and the mind games. We know what happens when we go to Old Trafford. Mr Scolari maybe needs to know to use zonal marking against the staff of United because they are always using man to man with the referees when they go to the bench and especially at half-time when they are walking close to the referees and talking and talking and talking.
All the managers need to know, only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures and the referees - nothing will happen. I think we need to know about this. We are talking about facts, we are not talking about my impression. Everybody can see this every single week.
Im delighted with these comments. Rafa has never been in a title race yet so hasn't had the chance to do anything like this yet but I expect much more from him from now to the end of the season if lpool stay up there. Rafas a shrewd man! whatever he says is for a reason. he won't get drawn into losing his temper or reacting to something without thinking! IN RAFA WE TRUST
Marouane Fellaini has picked up his 10th booking of the season and he will now miss two matches for Everton v Liverpool.
Big loss for the Toffees, and why was he not subbed at 2-0?
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Carragher, Aurelio, Hyypia, Skrtel, Mascherano, Lucas, Benayoun, Riera, Gerrard, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Keane, Torres, Dossena, Babel, Plessis, El Zhar.
Quote from: Stalin on January 10, 2009, 04:40:59 PM
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Carragher, Aurelio, Hyypia, Skrtel, Mascherano, Lucas, Benayoun, Riera, Gerrard, Kuyt. Subs: Cavalieri, Keane, Torres, Dossena, Babel, Plessis, El Zhar.
I give up trying to second guess that man...
:-\
why whats wrong with that?
Thought the same! Kuyt alone up front ! :-\
Agger not even on the bench....anyone know the story there?
Wasn't long enough.
Rather Kuyt than Keane. Did you lads see the Preston game?
should still have enough to see off stoke this time. no point rushing torres back in,maybe given him half an hour especially the way injury reoccurring.babel is that bad at min that i never thought i would say this but glad benayoun starting
wouldnt have predicted that team anyway. Hyypia in to defend the long throw ins, but not sure what the story with agger is. Kuyt up front on his own, hmm not much of a threat there. With alonso injured, and torres coming back from injury, surely there was an opportunity to start keane & kuyt upfront with gerrard back in midfield instead of lucas.
Anyway Torres, Keane & Babel on the bench - so at least we have some quality to change the game if need be...
Quote from: stiffler on January 10, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
Agger not even on the bench....anyone know the story there?
Somebody on one of the forums said it was on the radio that he picked up a knock.
HT 0-0
Been really poor so far. Probably been the worst 45 minutes of the season. Players need a rocket up their backsides and a couple of changes to be made.
They've nothing up front. They're constantly losing the ball up there, then Stoke are breaking and Liverpool are giving away frees and throws and putting themselves under pressure. Another 15 minutes of this and Stoke will likely get something.
Get Torres and Keane on, Benayoun off. The other replacement depends on whether Lucas is injured.
Needs to go with 2 up front second half!
Gerrard not in it,Kuyt getting it tough as usual.
Get Torres/Keane on for Lucas!
Must be Gerrard's quietest game of the season. Can barely remember him touching the ball. No messing around. I would have Torres and Keane on straight away. I fear he'll leave it until the 60/65 minute mark though.
If it finishes like this Rafa might wish he had kept his mouth shut yesterday!
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 10, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
If it finishes like this Rafa might wish he had kept his mouth shut yesterday!
Doubtful, but that is certainly the way it will be interpreted by the press and the public.
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 10, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
If it finishes like this Rafa might wish he had kept his mouth shut yesterday!
Doubtful, but that is certainly the way it will be interpreted by the press and the public.
And if they do manage to sneak the points he'll be a genius.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 10, 2009, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 10, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
If it finishes like this Rafa might wish he had kept his mouth shut yesterday!
Doubtful, but that is certainly the way it will be interpreted by the press and the public.
And if they do manage to sneak the points he'll be a genius.
Correct!
Not looking good ???
Gerrard hits the post right at the death.
FT 0-0
Worst performance of the season by a mile. Woeful display.
Poor stuff!
What does Rafa be thinking? is he happier taking a point than giving away all three? Maybe the game tomorrow helped make his mind up today, but going the whole game with one striker at Stoke ???
Just a tad frustrating! :(
Liverpool can have no complaints though, they didn't deserve the three points.
I have serious doubts about Chelsea's form of late and their prospects tomorrow, but it would be nice if they can do Liverpool a favour.
Yeah Chelsea win tomorrow please :)
Advantage fergie I would say...for now. When you see how many on here called it the biggest game of their season and not to win could mean dire consequences now.
Good to see Rafa didnt get distracted this week and kept all the focus on the important three points at Stoke. Basically Utd and Chelsea get a free dig at each other tomorrow as loosing only one point Liverpool this weekend is not a disaster and whichever team wins will really fancy their chances of lifting the league.
We can expect the usual Rafa cracked bullshit from the press. A terrible performance that even if Rafa took out an effigy of Ferguson and pissed on it, it would be hard to imagine the players playing worse.
Re: One striker. It is not one striker it is one striker with Gerrard playing off it. We scored five times using it in our last match. Fair play to Stoke they deserved the points.
And as for Lucas, how poor was he! Alonso proving to be vital to this team!
Gerrard is not a striker, plus Newcastle were nowhere near as orginised and as hungry as Stoke!
Poor performance, Rafa going to have to take more chances if he wants to win this league.
f**king pathetic
Why was Lucas and Kuyt left on the pitch? Even Gerrard was awful,The game was crying out for Robbie Keane imho,even when Torres came on the played the same formation.
If Rafa has some grudge against Keane he would wanna get over it fast,Kuyt is not good enough to play as a lone striker and never will be.
Babel was his normal brutal self when he came on,Mash kept giving the ball away,Jesus I felt like putting my foot through the telly at times
In fairness United were within 5 minutes of drawing 0-0 at Stoke too so they do make it very difficult for teams. Still to drop 4 points to a team that will probably still get relegated is just not good enough.
Really was as bad a display as I can remember. United won that game at Stoke because Ferguson took a chance and threw on all his attackers and they managed to nick a winner at the end that they didn't really deserve. Just wish Rafa would take more of a chance. You're trying to win a league here after all. Leaving Keane sitting on the bench when you're looking for a goal just befuddles me. Throw him on for the last 10 minutes and see what happens.
Really seem to miss Alonso this season when he doesn't play as well. He keeps the ball moving and if he isn't playing it usually means Lucas is.
Quote from: corn02 on January 10, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
We can expect the usual Rafa cracked bullshit from the press. A terrible performance that even if Rafa took out an effigy of Ferguson and pissed on it, it would be hard to imagine the players playing worse.
Re: One striker. It is not one striker it is one striker with Gerrard playing off it. We scored five times using it in our last match. Fair play to Stoke they deserved the points.
It does appear that this is the case though. Ask yourself, but take your 'I love Rafa' t-shirt off first, is it a coincidence that the day after Benitez goes off on an unprecedented rant/ justified monologue, which gets splashed all over the press, his team put in their worst performance of the season? :-\
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
f**king pathetic
Why was Lucas and Kuyt left on the pitch? Even Gerrard was awful,The game was crying out for Robbie Keane imho,even when Torres came on the played the same formation.
If Rafa has some grudge against Keane he would wanna get over it fast,Kuyt is not good enough to play as a lone striker and never will be.
Babel was his normal brutal self when he came on,Mash kept giving the ball away,Jesus I felt like putting my foot through the telly at times
But Kuyt wasnt playing as a lone striker? What exactly would Keane have done? Waved his finger at the ref a few times and made a hash of any opportunities that came his way?
Quote from: AFS on January 10, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 10, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
We can expect the usual Rafa cracked bullshit from the press. A terrible performance that even if Rafa took out an effigy of Ferguson and pissed on it, it would be hard to imagine the players playing worse.
Re: One striker. It is not one striker it is one striker with Gerrard playing off it. We scored five times using it in our last match. Fair play to Stoke they deserved the points.
It does appear that this is the case though. Ask yourself, but take your 'I love Rafa' t-shirt off first, is it a coincidence that the day after Benitez goes off on an unprecedented rant/ justified monologue, which gets splashed all over the press, his team put in their worst performance of the season? :-\
So you are saying that if he hadn't done that, they would have played better and won the game? Have you been watching them this season? There have been plenty of matches where they have been damn close to if not as poor as they were today, except that they got late winners (remember the first month of the season when they were shite, but still winning?). They weren't too hot against Fulham or Hull at home either. Its a little bit simplistic to blame that performance on Rafa's press conference. This fixture was always going to be a very tough one.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
f**king pathetic
Why was Lucas and Kuyt left on the pitch? Even Gerrard was awful,The game was crying out for Robbie Keane imho,even when Torres came on the played the same formation.
If Rafa has some grudge against Keane he would wanna get over it fast,Kuyt is not good enough to play as a lone striker and never will be.
Babel was his normal brutal self when he came on,Mash kept giving the ball away,Jesus I felt like putting my foot through the telly at times
I thought Babel did all right in the short time he was on. He had one great run up the left where he won the free. I don't remember him screwing up either. He was about the least of Liverpool's worries today.
terrible inept performance.
dont know how we can be a threat with kuyt playing up front by himself, he couldnt trapa bag of cement and doesnt have the required pace to be a threat behind or doesnt give the midfield/defence an option of pass to.
think riera is made a scape goat alot 2 which i disagree with. he may not have been having his best game but he is the only natural wide player we have at minute in the squad, as benayoun runs across the pitch, babel runs inside and shoots (badly) and kuyt is never going beat a man and deliver a good cross. to not score against stoke in 180 minutes is unforgiveable.
alonso was a massive loss today. his ability to take games by the scruff of the neck and dictate them was sorely missed 2day.
was expecting to watch the game 2mara 6 points clear. papers have a fielday 2mara on rafa, definately think he should have said nothing. the fact whiskey nose is mentioning us is a clear indication that we are a genuine threat. and if he doesnt believe it why should we give a f**k??
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 10, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 10, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
We can expect the usual Rafa cracked bullshit from the press. A terrible performance that even if Rafa took out an effigy of Ferguson and pissed on it, it would be hard to imagine the players playing worse.
Re: One striker. It is not one striker it is one striker with Gerrard playing off it. We scored five times using it in our last match. Fair play to Stoke they deserved the points.
It does appear that this is the case though. Ask yourself, but take your 'I love Rafa' t-shirt off first, is it a coincidence that the day after Benitez goes off on an unprecedented rant/ justified monologue, which gets splashed all over the press, his team put in their worst performance of the season? :-\
So you are saying that if he hadn't done that, they would have played better and won the game? Have you been watching them this season? There have been plenty of matches where they have been damn close to if not as poor as they were today, except that they got late winners (remember the first month of the season when they were shite, but still winning?). They weren't too hot against Fulham or Hull at home either. Its a little bit simplistic to blame that performance on Rafa's press conference. This fixture was always going to be a very tough one.
Fair enough, but I think its reasonable to say that Rafa's (premeditated, said for a reason, etc :D ) comments yesterday did not have their desired affect.
Quote from: AFS on January 10, 2009, 08:29:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 10, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 10, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
We can expect the usual Rafa cracked bullshit from the press. A terrible performance that even if Rafa took out an effigy of Ferguson and pissed on it, it would be hard to imagine the players playing worse.
Re: One striker. It is not one striker it is one striker with Gerrard playing off it. We scored five times using it in our last match. Fair play to Stoke they deserved the points.
It does appear that this is the case though. Ask yourself, but take your 'I love Rafa' t-shirt off first, is it a coincidence that the day after Benitez goes off on an unprecedented rant/ justified monologue, which gets splashed all over the press, his team put in their worst performance of the season? :-\
So you are saying that if he hadn't done that, they would have played better and won the game? Have you been watching them this season? There have been plenty of matches where they have been damn close to if not as poor as they were today, except that they got late winners (remember the first month of the season when they were shite, but still winning?). They weren't too hot against Fulham or Hull at home either. Its a little bit simplistic to blame that performance on Rafa's press conference. This fixture was always going to be a very tough one.
Fair enough, but I think its reasonable to say that Rafa's (premeditated, said for a reason, etc :D ) comments yesterday did not have their desired affect.
His comments were mainly regarding Fergusons treatment of referees? Man Utd play tomorrow.
Quote from: Stalin on January 10, 2009, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 10, 2009, 08:29:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: AFS on January 10, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 10, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
We can expect the usual Rafa cracked bullshit from the press. A terrible performance that even if Rafa took out an effigy of Ferguson and pissed on it, it would be hard to imagine the players playing worse.
Re: One striker. It is not one striker it is one striker with Gerrard playing off it. We scored five times using it in our last match. Fair play to Stoke they deserved the points.
It does appear that this is the case though. Ask yourself, but take your 'I love Rafa' t-shirt off first, is it a coincidence that the day after Benitez goes off on an unprecedented rant/ justified monologue, which gets splashed all over the press, his team put in their worst performance of the season? :-\
So you are saying that if he hadn't done that, they would have played better and won the game? Have you been watching them this season? There have been plenty of matches where they have been damn close to if not as poor as they were today, except that they got late winners (remember the first month of the season when they were shite, but still winning?). They weren't too hot against Fulham or Hull at home either. Its a little bit simplistic to blame that performance on Rafa's press conference. This fixture was always going to be a very tough one.
Fair enough, but I think its reasonable to say that Rafa's (premeditated, said for a reason, etc :D ) comments yesterday did not have their desired affect.
His comments were mainly regarding Fergusons treatment of referees? Man Utd play tomorrow.
Maybe the topic of his rant was about something else, but the attention it generated in the press was firmly focused on Rafa and his team.
Friday rafa comes out with the biggest pile of moaning crying bullshit of a rant I have ever heard a manager come out with then on Saturday he masterminds a 0-0 draw against a bottom of table team whilst leaving his 2 best strikers on the bench :D :D In rafa we trust indeed ;D
Lads if any of you think that "mind games" from any manager have an effect on matches you know as much about football as my arse does about shooting snipes. Liverpool were pish, as they have been on more than one occasion this year. Do you think when those players walk onto the pitch they are thinking "thon Rafa is a silly **** for taking on Mr Ferguson, i am creaming my nags".......
Benitez made an ass of himself yesterday, plain for all to see. His intervention meant everyone was watching his team today and expecting a 'performance' several here deemed it the 'most important match of the season' alas they did not deliver and benitez has placed added pressure on his players shoulders. Own goal plain and simple.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 10, 2009, 09:01:50 PM
Benitez made an ass of himself yesterday, plain for all to see. His intervention meant everyone was watching his team today and expecting a 'performance' several here deemed it the 'most important match of the season' alas they did not deliver and benitez has placed added pressure on his players shoulders. Own goal plain and simple.
How so? So the league leaders playing in a televised game would not have garnered any attention before "Rafas furious rant", you think it had any effect on the players performance?
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 10, 2009, 09:01:50 PM
Benitez made an ass of himself yesterday, plain for all to see. His intervention meant everyone was watching his team today and expecting a 'performance' several here deemed it the 'most important match of the season' alas they did not deliver and benitez has placed added pressure on his players shoulders. Own goal plain and simple.
Don't think anything Benitez said had even the slightest effect on the players. Players generally don't take a blind bit of notice of what the manager says to the media unless it is about themselves. People were expecting a performance because with Man U playing Chelsea they had a chance to open a bit more of a gap on at least one if not both of them had they won.
Of course the fact that they didn't win will mean the pundits will go to town on Benitez over his comments but they had nothing to do with Liverpool not winning the game.
Quote from: Stalin on January 10, 2009, 08:08:31 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
f**king pathetic
Why was Lucas and Kuyt left on the pitch? Even Gerrard was awful,The game was crying out for Robbie Keane imho,even when Torres came on the played the same formation.
If Rafa has some grudge against Keane he would wanna get over it fast,Kuyt is not good enough to play as a lone striker and never will be.
Babel was his normal brutal self when he came on,Mash kept giving the ball away,Jesus I felt like putting my foot through the telly at times
But Kuyt wasnt playing as a lone striker? What exactly would Keane have done? Waved his finger at the ref a few times and made a hash of any opportunities that came his way?
Kuyt was playing as a lone striker
It was a 4-4-1-1 formation.
Keane couldn't have done any worse than what Kuyt was doing yet Rafa never takes off Kuyt for some strange reason
If you took time to read my post I complained that when Torres was brought on they kept the same formation which obviously wasn't working,Therefore the point I was making was they should have brought Keane on and went with a 4-4-2 formation be it Kuyt/Keane or Keane/Torres with Kuyt on the wing and at least try and win the f**king match..
Two shots on target in 90mins is nowhere near good enough against a relegation candidate
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 10, 2009, 09:01:50 PM
Benitez made an ass of himself yesterday, plain for all to see. His intervention meant everyone was watching his team today and expecting a 'performance' several here deemed it the 'most important match of the season' alas they did not deliver and benitez has placed added pressure on his players shoulders. Own goal plain and simple.
Yes, because they would otherwise not have been watching or expecting Liverpool to beat Stoke. ::)
Liverpool's form has been patchy, as has the form of United, Chelsea and Arsenal as well. Today's performance didn't just appear out of nowhere because Benitez stuck his neck out. Even if he hadn't opened his mouth, that would still have been a very tricky game, as Villa, Arsenal and United have all discovered previously. As for whether it was an "own goal" and a failed gamble on Benitez's part, time will tell.
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
f**king pathetic
Why was Lucas and Kuyt left on the pitch? Even Gerrard was awful,The game was crying out for Robbie Keane imho,even when Torres came on the played the same formation.
If Rafa has some grudge against Keane he would wanna get over it fast,Kuyt is not good enough to play as a lone striker and never will be.
Babel was his normal brutal self when he came on,Mash kept giving the ball away,Jesus I felt like putting my foot through the telly at times
I thought Babel did all right in the short time he was on. He had one great run up the left where he won the free. I don't remember him screwing up either. He was about the least of Liverpool's worries today.
So in 20mins he had ONE run down the wing,wow that was a great impact he had..
Do you know why he didn't screw anything up ? Because he is a lazy shite who won't get involved when the going is tough and might as well have not been on the pitch..IMHO
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
f**king pathetic
Why was Lucas and Kuyt left on the pitch? Even Gerrard was awful,The game was crying out for Robbie Keane imho,even when Torres came on the played the same formation.
If Rafa has some grudge against Keane he would wanna get over it fast,Kuyt is not good enough to play as a lone striker and never will be.
Babel was his normal brutal self when he came on,Mash kept giving the ball away,Jesus I felt like putting my foot through the telly at times
I thought Babel did all right in the short time he was on. He had one great run up the left where he won the free. I don't remember him screwing up either. He was about the least of Liverpool's worries today.
So in 20mins he had ONE run down the wing,wow that was a great impact he had..
Do you know why he didn't screw anything up ? Because he is a lazy shite who won't get involved when the going is tough and might as well have not been on the pitch..IMHO
A bit cranky tonight, are we? ;)
He was on the ball several other times, but it was in general play, laying it across or back to Aurelio. I think he attempted one shot also coming in from the left that was blocked, as happened to Gerrard a few times. I'm not saying he is the answer to any problems or that he has a future at the club, but that run he made was one of the few positive, direct things any Liverpool player did in the entire match. He was far from the worst out there today. He was certainly nowhere near the depths he plunged in some recent games e.g his appearance against Hull.
A 4-4-1-1? Thats a new one. Keane could and would have done a lot worse than Kuyt, going by his previous efforts this season. Can you not accept that Keane is being left out and taken off for a reason? He has been absolutely gash all season, and his worst performance to date was his last, against Luton.
Forgive me for glossing over your post, but you do come out with a lot of the same shite over and over again.
Your point about Babel is very retarded.
Rafa can frustrate but you have to understand he sees the players all week and sees if they are performing or not. I have been a critic but he is better placed than us to pick the team and i cant think of another manager i would prefer to steer the ship.
Quote from: Minder on January 10, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
Rafa can frustrate but you have to understand he sees the players all week and sees if they are performing or not. I have been a critic but he is better placed than us to pick the team and i cant think of another manager i would prefer to steer the ship.
Bring back Steve Finnan to replace Rafa.
Finnan is alright where he is..........
Robbie Keane player manager?
Quote from: Stalin on January 10, 2009, 09:24:46 PM
A 4-4-1-1? Thats a new one. Keane could and would have done a lot worse than Kuyt, going by his previous efforts this season. Can you not accept that Keane is being left out and taken off for a reason? He has been absolutely gash all season, and his worst performance to date was his last, against Luton.
Forgive me for glossing over your post, but you do come out with a lot of the same shite over and over again.
Your point about Babel is very retarded.
I see so thats gonna be your attitude is it..
Fair enough I have no time trying to chat with someone who has that sort of opinion of me,I leave you to your own thoughts as you seem to be far more educated in the world of football than me..
BTW it was Preston North End not Luton they were playing
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 10, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 10, 2009, 07:54:18 PM
f**king pathetic
Why was Lucas and Kuyt left on the pitch? Even Gerrard was awful,The game was crying out for Robbie Keane imho,even when Torres came on the played the same formation.
If Rafa has some grudge against Keane he would wanna get over it fast,Kuyt is not good enough to play as a lone striker and never will be.
Babel was his normal brutal self when he came on,Mash kept giving the ball away,Jesus I felt like putting my foot through the telly at times
I thought Babel did all right in the short time he was on. He had one great run up the left where he won the free. I don't remember him screwing up either. He was about the least of Liverpool's worries today.
So in 20mins he had ONE run down the wing,wow that was a great impact he had..
Do you know why he didn't screw anything up ? Because he is a lazy shite who won't get involved when the going is tough and might as well have not been on the pitch..IMHO
A bit cranky tonight, are we? ;)
He was on the ball several other times, but it was in general play, laying it across or back to Aurelio. I think he attempted one shot also coming in from the left that was blocked, as happened to Gerrard a few times. I'm not saying he is the answer to any problems or that he has a future at the club, but that run he made was one of the few positive, direct things any Liverpool player did in the entire match. He was far from the worst out there today. He was certainly nowhere near the depths he plunged in some recent games e.g his appearance against Hull.
Just a tad cranky J70 alright,how could one not be after that horror show. :-\
Quote from: Minder on January 10, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
Rafa can frustrate but you have to understand he sees the players all week and sees if they are performing or not. I have been a critic but he is better placed than us to pick the team and i cant think of another manager i would prefer to steer the ship.
Im amazed he can continue to pick teams which are designed to not loose a game and maybe nick a win instead of picking a team to attack and try to win from the start and still hold on to the faith of the supporters. Fair enough he has the team at the top of the league but if he used his balls a bit more Liverpool could be 8+ points clear at this stage...
In Rafa we trust :D
Seriously, the selection, tactics & substitutions are going to cost the scousers
Gerrard was also pretty anonymous yesterday in midfield. Looked like his mind was already in Wormwood Scrubs!
Quote from: AFS on January 10, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 10, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
We can expect the usual Rafa cracked bullshit from the press. A terrible performance that even if Rafa took out an effigy of Ferguson and pissed on it, it would be hard to imagine the players playing worse.
Re: One striker. It is not one striker it is one striker with Gerrard playing off it. We scored five times using it in our last match. Fair play to Stoke they deserved the points.
It does appear that this is the case though. Ask yourself, but take your 'I love Rafa' t-shirt off first, is it a coincidence that the day after Benitez goes off on an unprecedented rant/ justified monologue, which gets splashed all over the press, his team put in their worst performance of the season? :-\
Yes, yes it is. They were terrible and there is no way that performance was related to the press conference.
the leagues over for another year
Quote from: milltown row on January 11, 2009, 05:31:47 PM
the leagues over for another year
Get a grip. Yes, United will be probably be top by the time Liverpool play Everton and will be hot favourites for the league, but its not even the middle of January yet. This isn't other years when Liverpool were 15 points adrift at this point, while, impressive as United were today, they've struggled for consistent form over the past couple of months too. Its been a bad weekend for Liverpool for sure, but they're still in a very strong position.
Quote from: J70 on January 11, 2009, 06:03:31 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 11, 2009, 05:31:47 PM
the leagues over for another year
Get a grip. Yes, United will be probably be top by the time Liverpool play Everton and will be hot favourites for the league, but its not even the middle of January yet. This isn't other years when Liverpool were 15 points adrift at this point, while, impressive as United were today, they've struggled for consistent form over the past couple of months too. Its been a bad weekend for Liverpool for sure, but they're still in a very strong position.
In a better position than Chelsea anyway. Hopefully when they come to Anfield in a few weeks they roll over that easily. Never tried a leg today once they went behind.
yes a very good position, Raffa was outstanding for Utd
QuoteGet a grip. Yes, United will be probably be top by the time Liverpool play Everton and will be hot favourites for the league, but its not even the middle of January yet. This isn't other years when Liverpool were 15 points adrift at this point, while, impressive as United were today, they've struggled for consistent form over the past couple of months too. Its been a bad weekend for Liverpool for sure, but they're still in a very strong position.
United have been improving of late and have conceded very little and chalked up a number of wins in the league without being spectacular. Benitez's rant couldn't have helped Liverpool yesterday, although I'm sure some will beg to differ.
Rafa can really inspire a team to a win, his speach really gets the team up to go out and prove themselves to be the best. Just a pity it is not his own team :D In rafa we trust :D :D Great weekend altogether ;)
'Mr Ferguson' says Rafa is Disturbed :D :D
You have to laugh at the stuff they come up with on F365 (even if you're a Liverpool supporter) :D
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee93/Soccerwhos/Gifs/fergierafa.gif)
I wonder about some of the clowns on here, any of you that think what Benitez said on Friday had any direct impact on yesterdays result or todays need to maybe follow a different sport. Do you think the United players were bouncing off the walls in the changing romms screaming "lets show that fat Spanish ****" ? It just does not work like that, teams at the top level and United in particular are highly self motivated for each game & especially for a game of todays magnitude, regardless of press conferences...........
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2009, 07:56:51 PM
I wonder about some of the clowns on here, any of you that think what Benitez said on Friday had any direct impact on yesterdays result or todays need to maybe follow a different sport. Do you think the United players were bouncing off the walls in the changing romms screaming "lets show that fat Spanish ****" ? It just does not work like that, teams at the top level and United in particular are highly self motivated for each game & especially for a game of todays magnitude, regardless of press conferences...........
You're wasting your breath.
Quote from: J70 on January 11, 2009, 08:01:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2009, 07:56:51 PM
I wonder about some of the clowns on here, any of you that think what Benitez said on Friday had any direct impact on yesterdays result or todays need to maybe follow a different sport. Do you think the United players were bouncing off the walls in the changing romms screaming "lets show that fat Spanish ****" ? It just does not work like that, teams at the top level and United in particular are highly self motivated for each game & especially for a game of todays magnitude, regardless of press conferences...........
You're wasting your breath.
I wasnt gonna bother posting as i realise that. In fairness its the usual suspects, anyone with a bit of wit seems to have a decent grasp of it.
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2009, 07:56:51 PM
I wonder about some of the clowns on here, any of you that think what Benitez said on Friday had any direct impact on yesterdays result or todays need to maybe follow a different sport. Do you think the United players were bouncing off the walls in the changing romms screaming "lets show that fat Spanish ****" ? It just does not work like that, teams at the top level and United in particular are highly self motivated for each game & especially for a game of todays magnitude, regardless of press conferences...........
No but we said last Friday that unless Liverpool won the pundits and media will all be proclaiming Ferguson the Jedi Master of mind games once again and how the Obi Wan Kenobi of Old Trafford made a monkey out of Padawan Benitez.
If you come out in the press like that you better make sure you win because they will be on his back now and even further up Ginsoak's derriere.
how will liverpool tv spin this weekend tonight on bbc2?
Quote from: The GAA on January 11, 2009, 08:16:51 PM
how will liverpool tv spin this weekend tonight on bbc2?
Eh?
sorry - match of the day they're calling it ithink.
Have to say Carragher on sky looked as sick as a parrot. Wears his heart on his sleeve too much for punditry involving his own teams title challenge. Fair play to him for turning up tho.
Jamie Redknapp giving him a consoling "I feel your pain" pat on the leg at the end was hilarious.
Quote from: milltown row on January 11, 2009, 05:31:47 PM
the leagues over for another year
You have to be taking the piss ??? No one could be that stupid to make that sort of comment.....could they?
Quote from: under the bar on January 11, 2009, 08:41:02 PM
Have to say Carragher on sky looked as sick as a parrot. Wears his heart on his sleeve too much for punditry involving his own teams title challenge. Fair play to him for turning up tho.
Jamie Redknapp giving him a consoling "I feel your pain" pat on the leg at the end was hilarious.
Yep, sick as a parrot on Boxing day after a few pies washed down with an 'alf of bitter.......cheers mate.......GSTQ
Dire performance yesterday. Forget about the platitudes towards plucky Stoke and their hard work ethic etc etc. A team sitting at the top of the league with Liverpool's resources and ambitions should be beating the likes of Stoke, end of. The result was nearly a forgone conclusion before the first whistle was blew given Liverpool's line up for the game. That was the same formation and line up more or less as at the drawn game against Hull a couple of weeks back, with the same sort of huff and puff, toothless performance. Plain as day yesterday what way the game was heading, after the first 20 mins. Very frustrating that the formation and personnel weren't changed at half time. Just weren't able to get enough bodies into the box. I wouldn't fancy Liverpool to win games against anyone with Kuyt up front on his own. Well done to Stoke for closing Gerard down. Ever since the Newcastle game i've been expecting teams to put a man marker on him. It's really amazing that Liverpool have been able to top the table with players like Benayoun and Lucas about the place. How bad was Lucas? The likes of Babel coming on and running down cul de sacs doesn't inspire much either.
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2009, 07:56:51 PM
I wonder about some of the clowns on here, any of you that think what Benitez said on Friday had any direct impact on yesterdays result or todays need to maybe follow a different sport. Do you think the United players were bouncing off the walls in the changing romms screaming "lets show that fat Spanish ****" ? It just does not work like that, teams at the top level and United in particular are highly self motivated for each game & especially for a game of todays magnitude, regardless of press conferences...........
I bet you they were and I also bet Fergie lead the choir. You must have no insight into how sportsmen at the highest level work if you really believe that, anything that can be used for extra motivation will always be used by top class coaches regardless of the sport. If they can find any small thing to squeeze a little more commitment or effort they will use it. I do not expect Liverpool fans to admit Rafa fucked up as it is your duty to be loyal, but as someone who has no regard for Utd or Liverpool (as close to objective as I can), it was a massive PR own goal. Anyway I am off to Duffy's circus to join the rest of the clowns from here, maybe there might be a few Liverpool clowns there too though as they are bound to have red faces tonight.
Quote from: under the bar on January 11, 2009, 08:41:02 PM
Have to say Carragher on sky looked as sick as a parrot. Wears his heart on his sleeve too much for punditry involving his own teams title challenge. Fair play to him for turning up tho.
Jamie Redknapp giving him a consoling "I feel your pain" pat on the leg at the end was hilarious.
Agreed, but he is nota pundit so.... What odds are United now UTB?
A lot of games to be played yet, interesting times.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 11, 2009, 11:03:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2009, 07:56:51 PM
I wonder about some of the clowns on here, any of you that think what Benitez said on Friday had any direct impact on yesterdays result or todays need to maybe follow a different sport. Do you think the United players were bouncing off the walls in the changing romms screaming "lets show that fat Spanish ****" ? It just does not work like that, teams at the top level and United in particular are highly self motivated for each game & especially for a game of todays magnitude, regardless of press conferences...........
I bet you they were and I also bet Fergie lead the choir. You must have no insight into how sportsmen at the highest level work if you really believe that, anything that can be used for extra motivation will always be used by top class coaches regardless of the sport. If they can find any small thing to squeeze a little more commitment or effort they will use it. I do not expect Liverpool fans to admit Rafa fucked up as it is your duty to be loyal, but as someone who has no regard for Utd or Liverpool (as close to objective as I can), it was a massive PR own goal. Anyway I am off to Duffy's circus to join the rest of the clowns from here, maybe there might be a few Liverpool clowns there too though as they are bound to have red faces tonight.
You on the ale?
Did Rafa's 'rant' make Chelsea defend like shit at a conrer etc,etc. By the way the move involving the disallowed goal was class, the Pool done that in a European match a few years back with Baros, ref stopped it too.
Quote from: Armamike on January 11, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Dire performance yesterday. Forget about the platitudes towards plucky Stoke and their hard work ethic etc etc. A team sitting at the top of the league with Liverpool's resources and ambitions should be beating the likes of Stoke, end of. The result was nearly a forgone conclusion before the first whistle was blew given Liverpool's line up for the game. That was the same formation and line up more or less as at the drawn game against Hull a couple of weeks back, with the same sort of huff and puff, toothless performance. Plain as day yesterday what way the game was heading, after the first 20 mins. Very frustrating that the formation and personnel weren't changed at half time. Just weren't able to get enough bodies into the box. I wouldn't fancy Liverpool to win games against anyone with Kuyt up front on his own. Well done to Stoke for closing Gerard down. Ever since the Newcastle game i've been expecting teams to put a man marker on him. It's really amazing that Liverpool have been able to top the table with players like Benayoun and Lucas about the place. How bad was Lucas? The likes of Babel coming on and running down cul de sacs doesn't inspire much either.
Well said I would agree with all of that,though some here think making a subsitution or changing the formation wasn't going to make any difference ::)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 11, 2009, 11:08:05 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 11, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Dire performance yesterday. Forget about the platitudes towards plucky Stoke and their hard work ethic etc etc. A team sitting at the top of the league with Liverpool's resources and ambitions should be beating the likes of Stoke, end of. The result was nearly a forgone conclusion before the first whistle was blew given Liverpool's line up for the game. That was the same formation and line up more or less as at the drawn game against Hull a couple of weeks back, with the same sort of huff and puff, toothless performance. Plain as day yesterday what way the game was heading, after the first 20 mins. Very frustrating that the formation and personnel weren't changed at half time. Just weren't able to get enough bodies into the box. I wouldn't fancy Liverpool to win games against anyone with Kuyt up front on his own. Well done to Stoke for closing Gerard down. Ever since the Newcastle game i've been expecting teams to put a man marker on him. It's really amazing that Liverpool have been able to top the table with players like Benayoun and Lucas about the place. How bad was Lucas? The likes of Babel coming on and running down cul de sacs doesn't inspire much either.
Laoislad, just interested when you asked how Kuyt stayed on the field? What exaxtly did he do that was so bad, he was living off scraps and done ok with what he got and forced the keeper into a good save. Often he was on his own in the box against three big men when the ball was being lumped to him, we saw it from Torres too - if you dont have the support from Gerrard etc, it is a near impossible job.
As for Lucas, terrible performance, but was Mascherano much better? Alonso was the big loss yesterday.
Well said I would agree with all of that,though some here think making a subsitution or changing the formation wasn't going to make any difference ::)
Personally speaking as a Liverpool supporter i cringed on Friday when i read about Benitez's comments on Ferguson. I just thought he didn't need to do it. In recent years Wenger and Mourinho were quite good at putting him in his place with a one liner put down. I can remember Dalglish and Ferguson going head to head in the late 80s. Ferguson would have a rant around some shite about visting teams never getting a decision at Anfield - Dalglish would just laugh it off and say that he was rambling or that his youngest kid talked more sense. That just wound Ferguson up more, and was the best way to respond to him IMO, i.e. don't waste any time or energy on the bollix.
Corn - Kuyt's not quick enough or physically powerful enough to play that role on his own. The only player who can play that role for Liverpool is Torres. Gerard wasn't getting into the game at all, due to the lack of space. With Mascherano and Lucas having stinkers, it was disappointing that Benetiz didn't take the opportunity to switch things around, i.e. with one of those two coming off and Gerard dropping back.
Quote from: Armamike on January 11, 2009, 11:33:00 PM
Corn - Kuyt's not quick enough or physically powerful enough to play that role on his own. The only player who can play that role for Liverpool is Torres. Gerard wasn't getting into the game at all, due to the lack of space. With Mascherano and Lucas having stinkers, it was disappointing that Benetiz didn't take the opportunity to switch things around, i.e. with one of those two coming off and Gerard dropping back.
Yeah possibly, I am not suggesting Kuyt ahead of Torres by the way, he was proabbly not 100% to start and if you are not 100%, you won't start under Rafa.
Keane would have been lost last night against three men. Kuyt wins plenty of headers against defences and is quite strong but Keane would not have been. The derby is massive now, we blew a big chance yesterday.
Everton have lost a huge player in Fellaini for the derby, he gives them a massive physical presence, you could see how annoyed Moyes was when he got booked, I think he knew that his best chance to get a result next Monday was to go for the robust approach but he will be very light in the middle now particularly if he has to play Cahill up front again.
Is Anichibe not fit to start for everton, he is a bit clumsy but he puts himself about
A post off another forum, sums it up well for me and has a go at Rafa's selection too, we should all enjoy it then....
Answer me this. Is it possible for a team to play appallingly because their manager has told the truth about another manager a day earlier? Is it possible for a manager's words to cause Chelsea not to register a solitary strike on United's goal two days later? These must be some special words. More questions. Can it be described as a rant if he sat in a press conference reading from a piece of paper like a fifteen year old explaining his behaviour to his headmaster and parents? Hardly. It took just five minutes for Rooney to prove his accusations about referee favouritism in the Sunday game. Look at that footage and tell yourself Manchester United fully endorse the Respect campaign.
Let's look at the other side of the Rafa coin. Last season there was talk of the American intervention having a negative bearing on our campaign. I don't recall Bill and Ted coming into the dressing room and deciding that Voronin and Kuyt were the right players to lead the line in September much as I don't remember them ordering to rest the greatest striker in the world after the hardship and toil of three weeks of football.
My feelings towards Rafa tend to fall between worship and treading through oceans of confusion. As we were huddled into the concourse of the Britannia (it makes Woodison look like the Maracana) the team news was greeted with baffled expressions. Torres needs games and Keane needs to get his mind right after Preston so why play Dirk. Our two main strikers have a history of goals while the trying Dutchman has a history of right wing leg work. It transpires that Dirk was actually needed on the right as Yossi, still trapped in his act of being amazing or atrocious – never average, was lost in the first half and needed help. Eventually the game played out. It was everything I expected and less. Big hoofs into the box to disrupt our centre backs while we showed no cutting edge or endeavour. By the time Torres came on we were staring at a point as their tails were up and, as ever, we panicked. A poor selection, yes. A poor performance based on a press conference? Well, how could it be? Gerrard didn't hit the post twice because he was worried about the effect of his manager's words.
If there's a criticism to be levelled about the press conference it lies with its futility. The media's tale was all about who won the war and Fergie supposed laughing into his wine without any comment into the veracity of his claims. Whether they like to see the panto rather than discuss the issues is open to debate, albeit a useless one. Now the mind games are apparently won. 'Fergie says Liverpool are shit' – ooh, he's so subtle. 'Man U bully referrees' – Rafa's lost the plot!
Back to the football. The derbies are going to be huge and we're capable of taken them apart with the right performance and team. We've let United back in this weekend but we've got an opportunity to make it and Us and Them battle when Chelsea come in February. If it was a bad week for us then where does it leave Chelsea? Zero points against the top three teams and probably third by next week, that's where.
Finally: Hasn't the Gerrard story gone quiet over the last few days?
Its funny how Ferguson can say what he likes about any club, but any other manager says anything about United and its analysed in the media to the nth degree.
Rafa's comments were dead right and had zero bearing on either game.
I could somewhat understand Rafa's team selection bearing in mind a similar team/formation did so well against Newcastle. But when it clearly wasnt working how he didnt change it (particularly the midfield two, with Mascho being mediocre and Lucas being appalling) is beyond my comprehension. I hope it wasnt down to stubborness. Rafa's refusal to say it was 2 points dropped is absolutely the wrong mindset. Its filtering down to the players that drawing with Stoke is acceptable. Rafa's post match comments are cringeworthy in my opinion:
"It's not easy to find the space and to create many opportunities, so we have to be pleased we have one more point, we are still at the top of the table and in a great position."
To play 2 holding midfielders v Stoke is scandelous, especially as he played no strikers!
Rafa for the chop!
Scousers don't enjoy squeaky bum time!
ANOTHER opportunity missed to go even further ahead. Alonso was a big miss on Saturday for sure. Although good to see Skrtel back and Torres getting some much needed game time also.
I think we are now coming close to the stage where you could say this weekend or that weekend can possibly decide things. Not sure when exactly that is going to be. Utd are catching with 2 games in hand, chelsea 4 behind - for the time being i'd be very happy to stay those 4 pts clear of chelsea...utd in all likelihood will take a 1 pt lead by this time next week, i just hope we can now get stronger and more clinical from here on and give utd a good battle to the end. we've always got stronger in the finishing months of the league in previous seasons so hopefully this trait continues.
Quote from: Hound on January 12, 2009, 07:08:46 AM
Its funny how Ferguson can say what he likes about any club, but any other manager says anything about United and its analysed in the media to the nth degree.
Rafa's comments were dead right and had zero bearing on either game.
I could somewhat understand Rafa's team selection bearing in mind a similar team/formation did so well against Newcastle. But when it clearly wasnt working how he didnt change it (particularly the midfield two, with Mascho being mediocre and Lucas being appalling) is beyond my comprehension. I hope it wasnt down to stubborness. Rafa's refusal to say it was 2 points dropped is absolutely the wrong mindset. Its filtering down to the players that drawing with Stoke is acceptable. Rafa's post match comments are cringeworthy in my opinion:
"It's not easy to find the space and to create many opportunities, so we have to be pleased we have one more point, we are still at the top of the table and in a great position."
Were they? Do you think referees favour Manchester United? Do you think Mr Bennett was wrong to send off Mascherano last season as was implied? I don't remember the handball incident against Wigan but Benitez clearly questioned Bennett's partiality yet he said Ferguson is the only one who can talk about fixtures and referees without being punished! As for the "zonal marking" comment well Sky's camera's showed that up yesterday too. The one about Fergie doing up the fixtures himself was real toys out of the pram stuff. His words were contradictory and just what he was trying to achieve I do not know. I agree that they had minimal if any effect on the outcome of either of the games. This "mind games" stuff is invented by the media to try and portray that they actually have a part in proceeding as opposed the the truth that they are mere observers.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 12, 2009, 08:46:27 AM
To play 2 holding midfielders v Stoke is scandelous, especially as he played no strikers!
Rafa for the chop!
Scousers don't enjoy squeaky bum time!
How do you know?
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2009, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: Hound on January 12, 2009, 07:08:46 AM
Its funny how Ferguson can say what he likes about any club, but any other manager says anything about United and its analysed in the media to the nth degree.
Rafa's comments were dead right and had zero bearing on either game.
I could somewhat understand Rafa's team selection bearing in mind a similar team/formation did so well against Newcastle. But when it clearly wasnt working how he didnt change it (particularly the midfield two, with Mascho being mediocre and Lucas being appalling) is beyond my comprehension. I hope it wasnt down to stubborness. Rafa's refusal to say it was 2 points dropped is absolutely the wrong mindset. Its filtering down to the players that drawing with Stoke is acceptable. Rafa's post match comments are cringeworthy in my opinion:
"It's not easy to find the space and to create many opportunities, so we have to be pleased we have one more point, we are still at the top of the table and in a great position."
Were they? Do you think referees favour Manchester United? Do you think Mr Bennett was wrong to send off Mascherano last season as was implied? I don't remember the handball incident against Wigan but Benitez clearly questioned Bennett's partiality yet he said Ferguson is the only one who can talk about fixtures and referees without being punished! As for the "zonal marking" comment well Sky's camera's showed that up yesterday too. The one about Fergie doing up the fixtures himself was real toys out of the pram stuff. His words were contradictory and just what he was trying to achieve I do not know. I agree that they had minimal if any effect on the outcome of either of the games. This "mind games" stuff is invented by the media to try and portray that they actually have a part in proceeding as opposed the the truth that they are mere observers.
So in that case you would agree the Fergies comments that the fixture list was "bollocks" was 100% rong too? You will also admit that Rooney should have had about five or six red cards this year if Mascherano was rightly sent off that time?
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2009, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 12, 2009, 08:46:27 AM
To play 2 holding midfielders v Stoke is scandelous, especially as he played no strikers!
Rafa for the chop!
Scousers don't enjoy squeaky bum time!
How do you know?
Yeah, how do you know?
They have never been close enough come the business end of the season ;)
Well they were sh!t on Saturday again... pressure telling!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 12, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
Well they were sh!t on Saturday again... pressure telling!
They were s*it because they were s*it, i think you are putting too much into the "pressure" angle, especially in January. The majority of the players are all experienced internationals, its not as if it is a crowd of 19 year olds.
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2009, 09:30:19 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 12, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
Well they were sh!t on Saturday again... pressure telling!
They were s*it because they were s*it, i think you are putting too much into the "pressure" angle, especially in January. The majority of the players are all experienced internationals, its not as if it is a crowd of 19 year olds.
Yes they were sh1te, but you could see from Carragher's appearance on SS yesterday how desperate they are to win the title.
He acknowledges that time is running out to win the PL. Regardless of if you are 19 or an experienced international, this will bring additional pressure
I'm only winding! Feck sakes!
By the way I though Carragher was a good guest on the skysports panel yesterday.
From Eurosport:
FICTION 1: "Two years ago we were playing a lot of early kick-offs away on Saturdays when United were playing on Sundays. And we didn't say anything."
FACT 1: Rafael Benitez, September 2007: "We will be talking to the Premier League about this because it is not fair. I don't know if it is possible to change these fixtures in the New Year, but I hope so because, in the last few years, we have played more games on a Saturday than anyone and more away games than anyone. There are too many early kick-offs and I am not pleased about the situation at all."
FICTION 2: "You can see every single week how they put (referees) under pressure, we know this. We have seen it before. We have seen players sent off at Old Trafford and we do not see our opponents sent off."
FACT 2: Opposition players sent off at Old Trafford in the league this season - none. Stoke's Andy Wilkinson is the only player to be sent off against United in the Premier League this season. Opposition players sent off against Liverpool this season - five, including Nemanja Vidic of Manchester United.
FICTION 3: "Now he is complaining about everything, that everybody is against United. But the second half of the season will see them playing at home against all the teams at the top of the table, it is a fantastic advantage."
FACT 3: Last time ED checked everyone had to play everyone else twice - surely the order in which you play your games is irrelevant. And it's not like United covered themselves in glory in their away games against the top four - one point out of nine hardly represents a fantastic advantage.
FICTION 4: "At Christmas, United played on the 29th and the rest of the teams played on the 28th. We were away against Newcastle two days after playing Bolton. They were playing about 40 hours later, they were not complaining then."
FACT 4: United played 31 hours later, but their opponents Middlesbrough also had the benefit of an extra day's rest so it wasn't much help. And Liverpool's game against Newcastle was so one-sided they would have exerted themselves more by staying in and watching Wallace and Gromit. Plus, to be really pedantic, Aston Villa - who are level on points with United - played Hull on Tuesday 30.
FICTION 5: "There are two options if we don't want more problems with fixtures. One is the same as in Spain, the draw for the first part of the league is known, everyone knows which weekend. In the second-half everyone plays the opposite, so you all know."
FACT 5: That wouldn't help at all. You all know your fixtures anyway, and a Spanish system wouldn't stop United playing all of the Big Four at home in the second half of the season.
FICTION 6: "During the Respect campaign - and this is a fact - Mr Ferguson was charged by the FA for improper conduct after comments made about Martin Atkinson and Keith Hackett. He was not punished. He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things."
FACT 6: Harry Redknapp can also get away with it, having got off scot-free for this pop at Steve Tanner: "He's a poor referee and I've seen him make a mess of so many games. I couldn't even put into words what I thought of his performance. I walked into the referee's room before the game and saw who was refereeing and I knew what was coming. I expected that sort of performance. I've had him before many times and I know what he's like. He's really not good enough."
FICTION 7: "I will be watching United's game with Chelsea. The result does not matter to us, if we win at Stoke that result does not matter."
FACT 7: Sorry, that one was a fact.
:D :D Class stuff
Exactly - a "fact" is not a fact just because you say it is.
Corn - did you look at the fixtures United had after Champions League games versus the others? Do you not think it strange that after ALL 6 games United had a tough aways match. Would you not think it strange that United have had to play ALL the other teams that finished in the top half of the Premiership last year in the portion of the season where they also had the European Super Cup and the World Club Championship? I think Ferguson is definitely within his rights to point out how unlucky his side have been at the hands of the fixtures computer. If the fixtures came out the same for Liverpool there's no doubt Benitez would be cribbing.
As for the comment about Rooney - come on Corn! You've lost it if you think that.
The supposed 'facts' in that piece are hardly facts either, are they?
The genius about Ferguson is that he gets his 'pops' in incidentally - he never calls a press-conference to slag anyone off, he usually uses any opportunity to deflect unwanted attention from United's failings by drawing attention to something irrelevant. Happily, for him, the combined intelligence of the press-corps are happy to play along.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
Exactly - a "fact" is not a fact just because you say it is.
Corn - did you look at the fixtures United had after Champions League games versus the others? Do you not think it strange that after ALL 6 games United had a tough aways match. Would you not think it strange that United have had to play ALL the other teams that finished in the top half of the Premiership last year in the portion of the season where they also had the European Super Cup and the World Club Championship? I think Ferguson is definitely within his rights to point out how unlucky his side have been at the hands of the fixtures computer. If the fixtures came out the same for Liverpool there's no doubt Benitez would be cribbing.
As for the comment about Rooney - come on Corn! You've lost it if you think that.
Liverpool and Uniteds fixture schedule have been similar. Liverpool did not get advantage when they played in it a couple of years back, so why the problem?
Re: Rooney. You said rightly that Mascherano was red carded for abusing the ref. Rooney told the ref to f**k off a couple of times yesterday, as he has done on numerous occassion this season. By your logic he should have walked every time then? I don;t see how that is me losing it?
Liverpool will not win the premier league for one reason & one reason only, rafa...
The man is a clown, he spent 50 odd million on 2 strikers and they sat on the bench for a crucial away game against a hard to beat stoke. The owners must be wondering why the give him funds to buy players. He seems to be falling into the same trap of trying to keep players fresh for the title run in. Torres needs as much game time as possible to get back to fitness. By the time he does that united will have pulled away. The Stoke game was crucial to apply pressure to united....
+ hes playing silly games with fergie, looks like round 1 to fergie... ;D
Quote from: BerfArmagh on January 12, 2009, 01:07:03 PM
Liverpool will not win the premier league for one reason & one reason only, rafa...
The man is a clown, he spent 50 odd million on 2 strikers and they sat on the bench for a crucial away game against a hard to beat stoke. The owners must be wondering why the give him funds to buy players. He seems to be falling into the same trap of trying to keep players fresh for the title run in. Torres needs as much game time as possible to get back to fitness. By the time he does that united will have pulled away. The Stoke game was crucial to apply pressure to united....
+ hes playing silly games with fergie, looks like round 1 to fergie... ;D
Thank f**k your not manager. Amazing the amount of stick a man can get when sitting four points on top of the table.
If fairness corn, the reason he is getting stick is for the amont of points he is dropping against the lesser teams
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And the manner in which he is dropping points
Quote from: BerfArmagh on January 12, 2009, 01:07:03 PM
Liverpool will not win the premier league for one reason & one reason only, rafa...
The man is a clown, he spent 50 odd million on 2 strikers and they sat on the bench for a crucial away game against a hard to beat stoke. The owners must be wondering why the give him funds to buy players. He seems to be falling into the same trap of trying to keep players fresh for the title run in. Torres needs as much game time as possible to get back to fitness. By the time he does that united will have pulled away. The Stoke game was crucial to apply pressure to united....
Torres had played about 20 minutes in six weeks. There was no way he was going to start the game. Would have had him on at half-time though and Keane should have been introduced at some point as well.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 12, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on January 12, 2009, 01:07:03 PM
Liverpool will not win the premier league for one reason & one reason only, rafa...
The man is a clown, he spent 50 odd million on 2 strikers and they sat on the bench for a crucial away game against a hard to beat stoke. The owners must be wondering why the give him funds to buy players. He seems to be falling into the same trap of trying to keep players fresh for the title run in. Torres needs as much game time as possible to get back to fitness. By the time he does that united will have pulled away. The Stoke game was crucial to apply pressure to united....
Torres had played about 20 minutes in six weeks. There was no way he was going to start the game. Would have had him on at half-time though and Keane should have been introduced at some point as well.
Agreed on that, he called it wrong on substitutes, but I had no problem with his first 11.
Yes fullback, but every team, including United has done it. Stoke nearly took points off United too - the difference is probably that United got the points and that is why there is still a gap wbetween the two. The Rafa malarky also takes away from the fact that Stoke deserve credit, they played well. The Liverpool forum I be on is overcome with season ticket holders. For the Hull match they had no complaints and nothing but praise for the way Hull played. They said the work-rate, speed and attiude was spot on. Stoke was similar, they defended deep and broke on the counter. We were over run at midfield. At the start of the season no Liverpool fan could have envisioned being in this position, so lets keep it realistic. We have no right to swat away every team, dissapppoint? Yes. Frustrating? Yes. But no team does not drop points in games they sould have won.
Lads, I am a big Rafa fan, but I am seriously doubting some of his judgement calls. From a position where Liverpool were clear leaders they have dropped silly points to leave it that United can leap frog them over the next few matches if they win their games in hand. They needed t put the pressure on Stoke and that was not going to happen with a willing, but limited Kuyt. The simple fact is that against the likes of theses teams you need to attack as they will not pressurise your defence the way other teams will. 2 lost points and a media attack which could have been done slightly better in my view, and the future is not as rosey as it was.
Quote from: corn02 on January 12, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Yes fullback, but every team, including United has done it. Stoke nearly took points off United too - the difference is probably that United got the points and that is why there is still a gap wbetween the two.
No corn, the difference is that Fergie went all out to win the game, unlike Rafa
Could you imagine Utd starting say Berbatov up front by himself. He puts Rooney on when the score is still 0-0 with Tevez still on the bench. The game finishes 0-0 against Stoke with a £20 million striker (Tevez) still on the bench as well.
No chance, Fergie would empty the bench to get a result
Quote from: full back on January 12, 2009, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 12, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Yes fullback, but every team, including United has done it. Stoke nearly took points off United too - the difference is probably that United got the points and that is why there is still a gap wbetween the two.
No corn, the difference is that Fergie went all out to win the game, unlike Rafa
Could you imagine Utd starting say Berbatov up front by himself. He puts Rooney on when the score is still 0-0 with Tevez still on the bench. The game finishes 0-0 against Stoke with a £20 million striker (Tevez) still on the bench as well.
No chance, Fergie would empty the bench to get a result
Good point.
Quote from: full back on January 12, 2009, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 12, 2009, 01:22:16 PM
Yes fullback, but every team, including United has done it. Stoke nearly took points off United too - the difference is probably that United got the points and that is why there is still a gap wbetween the two.
No corn, the difference is that Fergie went all out to win the game, unlike Rafa
Could you imagine Utd starting say Berbatov up front by himself. He puts Rooney on when the score is still 0-0 with Tevez still on the bench. The game finishes 0-0 against Stoke with a £20 million striker (Tevez) still on the bench as well.
No chance, Fergie would empty the bench to get a result
Exactly full back,Saying things like Keane was shite against Preston so don't bother bringing him on like some have said here is ridiculous,the man has scored goals his whole career he hasn't become a bad player overnight ffs,but he's not going to get the goals warming the bench.
Rafa should have went for broke with 20mins to go yesterday
A blind man could see the formation wasn't working,bringing on a half fit Torres to wander around up front on his own was never going to get them the 3 points,Rafa seemed happy with the single point which to be honest concerns me a little
Quote from: corn02 on January 12, 2009, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
Exactly - a "fact" is not a fact just because you say it is.
Corn - did you look at the fixtures United had after Champions League games versus the others? Do you not think it strange that after ALL 6 games United had a tough aways match. Would you not think it strange that United have had to play ALL the other teams that finished in the top half of the Premiership last year in the portion of the season where they also had the European Super Cup and the World Club Championship? I think Ferguson is definitely within his rights to point out how unlucky his side have been at the hands of the fixtures computer. If the fixtures came out the same for Liverpool there's no doubt Benitez would be cribbing.
As for the comment about Rooney - come on Corn! You've lost it if you think that.
Liverpool and Uniteds fixture schedule have been similar. Liverpool did not get advantage when they played in it a couple of years back, so why the problem?
Re: Rooney. You said rightly that Mascherano was red carded for abusing the ref. Rooney told the ref to f**k off a couple of times yesterday, as he has done on numerous occassion this season. By your logic he should have walked every time then? I don;t see how that is me losing it?
You're not comparing like with like. Mascherano practically
asked begged the referee to send him off.
Seanie do you not think continually telling the ref to "f*ck off" is a sending off ?
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2009, 01:58:56 PM
Seanie do you not think continually telling the ref to "f*ck off" is a sending off ?
Not when the player is a Man U player,its alright then..
Hypocrisy at its best ::)
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Agreed on that, he called it wrong on substitutes, but I had no problem with his first 11.
You would have started with Lucas?
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 12, 2009, 02:18:43 PM
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Agreed on that, he called it wrong on substitutes, but I had no problem with his first 11.
You would have started with Lucas?
Lucas had been playing reasonably well and was very good against Newcastle but he was pathetic on Saturday.........You can only pick a team on previous form.
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2009, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 12, 2009, 02:18:43 PM
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Agreed on that, he called it wrong on substitutes, but I had no problem with his first 11.
You would have started with Lucas?
Lucas had been playing reasonably well and was very good against Newcastle but he was pathetic on Saturday.........You can only pick a team on previous form.
That's not how Rafa works though..
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 12, 2009, 02:26:09 PM
I dont know how any one here could agree with the line up that started on Saturday. One vital thing you must do against any so call 'lesser' team is score early on and that is fact in my opinion. Its the same with any sport whether be rugby, boxing, tennis, f**king cricket, whatever, if you are favourite you go for the underdogs throat right from the start. This immediately puts them on the back foot and doubts begin to creep into the opposition. My fear watching the game on Saturday was that the longer it went on the more likely it seemed that Stoke could nick a goal out of something and then the pressure mounts on Liverpool. The longer you leave an underdog in with a chance the more dangerous they become as they start to believe 'hey, we can actually beat these boys'. It is for this reason that he should have started with a out and out striker up front and with a gameplan to attack Stoke heavily from the start. The Stoke defence was never under any serious pressure and dealt with everything so comfortably. Yes Stoke played well and worked hard but Liverpool created squat. Stoke also worked hard and played well against United but they still grinded out a 1-0 victory which is what Liverpool need to start doing against lower league opposition.
Im confused now, is it a fact or is it your opinion? ;D
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2009, 01:56:13 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 12, 2009, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
Exactly - a "fact" is not a fact just because you say it is.
Corn - did you look at the fixtures United had after Champions League games versus the others? Do you not think it strange that after ALL 6 games United had a tough aways match. Would you not think it strange that United have had to play ALL the other teams that finished in the top half of the Premiership last year in the portion of the season where they also had the European Super Cup and the World Club Championship? I think Ferguson is definitely within his rights to point out how unlucky his side have been at the hands of the fixtures computer. If the fixtures came out the same for Liverpool there's no doubt Benitez would be cribbing.
As for the comment about Rooney - come on Corn! You've lost it if you think that.
Liverpool and Uniteds fixture schedule have been similar. Liverpool did not get advantage when they played in it a couple of years back, so why the problem?
Re: Rooney. You said rightly that Mascherano was red carded for abusing the ref. Rooney told the ref to f**k off a couple of times yesterday, as he has done on numerous occassion this season. By your logic he should have walked every time then? I don;t see how that is me losing it?
You're not comparing like with like. Mascherano practically asked begged the referee to send him off.
Ach Seanie come off it, eh abused the ref and was sent off, Rooney continually does it and gets away with it.
Remember against Stoke, United had only 10 men. But still the emptying the bench point is taken. I am a big Rafa fan but he does have a conservative side, which inevitable will cost us points, but might save us points too. Disappointing to be a wee bit too conservative.
Quote from: corn02 on January 11, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 11, 2009, 11:08:05 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 11, 2009, 11:01:08 PM
Dire performance yesterday. Forget about the platitudes towards plucky Stoke and their hard work ethic etc etc. A team sitting at the top of the league with Liverpool's resources and ambitions should be beating the likes of Stoke, end of. The result was nearly a forgone conclusion before the first whistle was blew given Liverpool's line up for the game. That was the same formation and line up more or less as at the drawn game against Hull a couple of weeks back, with the same sort of huff and puff, toothless performance. Plain as day yesterday what way the game was heading, after the first 20 mins. Very frustrating that the formation and personnel weren't changed at half time. Just weren't able to get enough bodies into the box. I wouldn't fancy Liverpool to win games against anyone with Kuyt up front on his own. Well done to Stoke for closing Gerard down. Ever since the Newcastle game i've been expecting teams to put a man marker on him. It's really amazing that Liverpool have been able to top the table with players like Benayoun and Lucas about the place. How bad was Lucas? The likes of Babel coming on and running down cul de sacs doesn't inspire much either.
As for Lucas, terrible performance, but was Mascherano much better? Alonso was the big loss yesterday.
Well said I would agree with all of that,though some here think making a subsitution or changing the formation wasn't going to make any difference ::)
Laoislad, just interested when you asked how Kuyt stayed on the field? What exaxtly did he do that was so bad, he was living off scraps and done ok with what he got and forced the keeper into a good save. Often he was on his own in the box against three big men when the ball was being lumped to him, we saw it from Torres too - if you dont have the support from Gerrard etc, it is a near impossible job.
Sorry corn just seen this now..
Fair enough I was a little harsh with saying Kuyt should have been taken off,in fairness he didn't do anything wrong,I wasn't in the best of moods at the time after watching the Liverpool game,so I was just having a rant :)
Really what I meant was he was so ineffective where he was playing would it not have been better to either take him off along with Lucas and bring on Keane and Torres or put him back on the wing and take of Lucas and Benayoun and bring on Keane Torres..
To bring on Torres who is only half fit and keep the same formation was as odd a decision as I have seen from Rafa IMHO,to be honest Stevie G could have been and probably should have been subbed yesterday,remember what happened when he took Gerrard off against Everton last year!
I was like a bull myself. Yeah good points. The Mirror report said everyone was poor - Stevie G aside. He was very poor for once, but I suppose he still hit the woodwork twice.
Derby will be interesting now.
Anyone who has Setanta Ireland the Top 10 Liverpool mersyside derby wins is on now
Rush got one, Rush got two, Rush got three and Rush got four..
"Ees a fax Meester Ferguson"
Quote from: under the bar on January 12, 2009, 09:34:09 PM
"Ees a fax Meester Ferguson"
It wasn't funny the first time ::)
There are some retarded hoors on this board.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 11, 2009, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 11, 2009, 05:31:47 PM
the leagues over for another year
You have to be taking the piss ??? No one could be that stupid to make that sort of comment.....could they?
you looking to wager that LL?
Quote from: milltown row on January 12, 2009, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 11, 2009, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 11, 2009, 05:31:47 PM
the leagues over for another year
You have to be taking the piss ??? No one could be that stupid to make that sort of comment.....could they?
you looking to wager that LL?
You see that is what I hate, when people make a stupid comment like that Milltown and when challenged say "wanna bet"? LL never said Liverpool would win, or never said United wouldn;t win. But to write the league off with half of it to go ,and United going to be maximum one ahead if they win all their games, is crazy.
Quote from: corn02 on January 12, 2009, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 12, 2009, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 11, 2009, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: milltown row on January 11, 2009, 05:31:47 PM
the leagues over for another year
You have to be taking the piss ??? No one could be that stupid to make that sort of comment.....could they?
you looking to wager that LL?
You see that is what I hate, when people make a stupid comment like that Milltown and when challenged say "wanna bet"? LL never said Liverpool would win, or never said United wouldn;t win. But to write the league off with half of it to go ,and United going to be maximum one ahead if they win all their games, is crazy.
Thanks corn..
To be honest I wasn't going to waste my time replying to the idiot....
Is it though? we all have bet, all year round. there are various threads here on betting. i'm confident that Liverpool wont win the league, its not crazy its just my prediction. just like you thought that the pool would beat Stoke. Utd struggled against them for 80 odd minutes
Quote from: milltown row on January 12, 2009, 10:20:51 PM
Is it though? we all have bet, all year round. there are various threads here on betting. i'm confident that Liverpool wont win the league, its not crazy its just my prediction. just like you thought that the pool would beat Stoke. Utd struggled against them for 80 odd minutes
You didn't say you were confident Liverpool won't win the league, you said the league was over - matter of factly. A massive, massive difference there.
QuoteYou didn't say you were confident Liverpool won't win the league, you said the league was over - matter of factly. A massive, massive difference there.
Si senor Milltown! Ees a fax..
TONY BARRETT: Rafa Benitez is a fighter – it's no surprise that he has squared up to Alex Ferguson - Liverpool Echo.co.uk
YOU have to go back more than 20 years to the last time a Liverpool manager verbally took on Alex Ferguson.
On that occasion, back in April 1988, Kenny Dalglish famously held aloft his baby daughter Lauren and informed members of Her Majesty's press that they would get more sense out of her than the United boss, who was ranting and raving about decisions not going his way at Anfield.
The put down worked. Fergie was stopped in his tracks, Dalglish had shown his ability to get the better of an adversary with a single line and, most importantly, Liverpool finished the season as champions.
Rafa Benitez is an altogether different animal to his Anfield predecessor. Without the language skills or the cutting humour honed on decades of banter in British football's dressing rooms, the Spaniard is only marginally more likely to come out with a telling quip than he is to exchange pleasantries with Jose Mourinho.
But, like Dalglish, he is a fighter and if he feels that putting himself on the line is the best thing for his club that is exactly what he will do.
So, although the timing of Benitez's outburst against Ferguson and his empire may well have been surprising, the fact that he did it was not.
This is a manager, don't forget, who a little over a year ago detonated a bomb under Liverpool's boardroom when he used a press conference to reveal just how bad his relationship had become with owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
This time the setting was exactly the same and the shockwaves from the explosion he caused were just as widespread. The only difference was that the grenade he had chucked landed at Old Trafford, not Anfield.
In the immediate aftermath even seasoned Liverpool observers struggled with what to make of Benitez's sensational eruption.
Was this a manager feeling the pressure? Had he taken Ferguson's bait and put his team and himself at the mercy of United, the reigning champions of England and Europe, let's not forget.
Or was it a moment of inspiration from a street fighter who was prepared to take the battle to Liverpool's great rivals after establishing a position of strength at the top of the Premier League table?
The debate will rage and the final answer will not be known until the season has ended and the final ordering of the league table either makes Benitez look a genius or a fool.
But one thing even his biggest critics have not accused the Liverpool boss of being is wrong. For decades some of English football's leading figures have tip-toed around the elephant in the room that is Fergie's bullying of officialdom.
Finally, someone has had the bottle to call it for what it is and the catalogue of facts that Benitez produced in an attempt to prove his point could have been a whole lot longer had it not dated back only to incidents over the last 12 months.
Benitez has never been afraid to take on the established order and the best example of his refusal to bow down to perceived sacred cows came during his last season in charge of Valencia.
After seeing his team concede a 93rd minute equaliser from the penalty spot against Real Madrid after the fourth official had indicated just a single minute of stoppage time, he launched into a tirade aimed at highlighting the degree of power Spain's regal team held over the rest of La Liga.
"For some people we are too strong a rival and it would obviously be wrong for us to win the league," he said.
"I saw the fourth official's board clearly. Without the extra minutes they would not have blown for a penalty."
"In any 100 other matches, they wouldn't have awarded that penalty. At the Bernabeu, you have to win twice just to get half a result."
Benitez is no novice when it comes to mind games and Kevin Keegan is clearly not the reference point that certain people would have us believe that he is.
For, whereas Keegan blew up in an emotional, spur of the moment reaction, Benitez's outburst was calculated, detailed, measured and had been prepared for some time before the outburst – hence the page full of notes he pulled from his pocket at the outset.
Furthermore, Keegan's eruption came as it became increasingly apparent that his Newcastle team was cracking under the pressure and was about to succumb to United.
Benitez's came with his team on top of the league and at a time when it was finally beginning to be seen as genuine title challengers. It was as if the Reds boss had been emboldened by Liverpool's form and decided to strike while the iron was hot.
There is no doubt, though, that Benitez has reacted to Ferguson's jibes and that is what the Glaswegian is looking for every time he declares psychological warfare.
Like the pub bully who keeps poking you in the chest looking for a reaction, the best answer is usually to refuse to give him what he wants and instead to turn the other cheek.
But sometimes you have to stand up to such antagonism, fight fire with fire, and put the aggressor in his place or face a lifetime of subjugation.
This is the path Benitez has chosen and it should be remembered that the last time he went to the mattresses after taking on a seemingly unbreakable opponent it was the softly spoken Spaniard who inflicted most damage on his adversary.
On that occasion it was Mourinho himself, another apparent master of the dark arts, who yielded as the infinitely superior Chelsea side he had put together with Roman Abramovich's millions was twice dumped out of the Champions League at the semi-final stage by Benitez's Liverpool.
It was only when the special one was removed from the equation that Chelsea were able to find their way past Liverpool in Europe's biggest and most prestigious cup competition.
Benitez is no novice. He knew what he was doing when he launched into a tirade against Ferguson.
The only thing that has surprised him is just how big an impact it has made, with the Reds boss of the belief that the seismic shock it caused stems from the fact that most people in football never imagined that someone would dare put their head above the parapet and speak the truth.
Liverpool have always been the kind of club that does its talking on the pitch. But these are very different media-driven times in which advantages are sought and often gained by using television and newspapers to unsettle and unnerve opponents.
Benitez remains adamant that his verbal attack on a rival manager does not mark any departure from the much fabled Liverpool way, though. To the Spaniard, the Liverpool way is to fight, and that is exactly what he did at Friday's press conference.
The unimpressive draw with Stoke did not help his cause as it gave his critics an instant stick with which to beat him.
But Benitez knows this is a long fight and winners and losers will not be determined in the space of a single weekend.
This battle will go all the way to May and it is likely to become increasingly dirty should Liverpool and United continue to go toe to toe at the top of the Premier League.
Anyone who knows the history and rivalry of the north west's, and perhaps the world's, biggest clubs, knows full well that no quarter will be asked and none will be given, particularly not with United one league title win away from equalling Liverpool's record of 18.
This is a massive season for Benitez but it is also huge for Ferguson because he knows that if he is to fulfil his ambition of knocking Liverpool off their "f***ing perch" this is the best chance he is ever likely to get.
Title success for Liverpool would leave the United boss needing three more of his own for his life's work to be complete and having reached pensionable age two years ago he knows the sands of time are against him.
Like Dalglish, Benitez has decided to take Ferguson on. Now he must hope that like it was for his illustrious predecessor it is the precursor to championship glory in May.
QuoteRafa Benitez is an altogether different animal to his Anfield predecessor. Without the language skills or the cutting humour
I stopped reading this tripe after this. Most of the time you can't understanda word Daglish is mumbling. As for his put down working - their respective records since that date suggest otherwise.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2009, 12:32:52 AM
QuoteRafa Benitez is an altogether different animal to his Anfield predecessor. Without the language skills or the cutting humour
I stopped reading this tripe after this. Most of the time you can't understanda word Daglish is mumbling. As for his put down working - their respective records since that date suggest otherwise.
He was talking about that season i.e. 87-88. And given that they come from the same place, I'm sure Ferguson understood him perfectly!
And its hardly tripe. Is no one allowed to have an opinion that differs from the United interpretation that Benitez' statements were nothing but an embarrassing public meltdown, indicative of a man struggling with the pressure?
Personally, I am not sure that it was the wisest move on Benitez' part (and neither is the writer here), but the comparison's with Keegan are nonsense for the very reason this guy outlines in this piece.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2009, 12:32:52 AM
QuoteRafa Benitez is an altogether different animal to his Anfield predecessor. Without the language skills or the cutting humour
I stopped reading this tripe after this. Most of the time you can't understanda word Daglish is mumbling. As for his put down working - their respective records since that date suggest otherwise.
One of Dalglishs finest achievements was winning a league title with a team of players such as Sherwood, Ripley, Wilcox & Kenna.
QuoteOne of Dalglishs finest achievements was winning a league title with a team of players such as Sherwood, Ripley, Wilcox & Kenna.
Not to mention a young 40 goals a season man called Shearer....
Quote from: under the bar on January 13, 2009, 09:38:02 AM
QuoteOne of Dalglishs finest achievements was winning a league title with a team of players such as Sherwood, Ripley, Wilcox & Kenna.
Not to mention a young 40 goals a season man called Shearer....
I know that was the only season Shearer played in professional football & his only medal.............
Was sutton not there that season as well....SoS as they were known!
Quote from: new devil on January 13, 2009, 10:39:21 AM
Was sutton not there that season as well....SoS as they were known!
Yup, Berg, May, Flowers, Batty, Le Saux, Hendry too...
Not a bad side!
The team that Jack built.
That actually was a very good team...but we should of won that league title as well..Andy Cole V west ham :'( :'(
Quote from: new devil on January 13, 2009, 10:39:21 AM
Was sutton not there that season as well....SoS as they were known!
Think it was SAS, sounds a wee bit better than save our souls
Quote from: new devil on January 13, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
That actually was a very good team...but we should of won that league title as well..Andy Cole V west ham :'( :'(
They were that good in their next season in the Champions league in a group comprising Spartak Moscow, Legia Warsaw and Rosenborg they had the following record................
W D L1 1 4
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2009, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: new devil on January 13, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
That actually was a very good team...but we should of won that league title as well..Andy Cole V west ham :'( :'(
They were that good in their next season in the Champions league in a group comprising Spartak Moscow, Legia Warsaw and Rosenborg they had the following record................
W D L
1 1 4
They also finished 15 points above your beloved Scousers...
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2009, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: new devil on January 13, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
That actually was a very good team...but we should of won that league title as well..Andy Cole V west ham :'( :'(
They were that good in their next season in the Champions league in a group comprising Spartak Moscow, Legia Warsaw and Rosenborg they had the following record................
W D L
1 1 4
Was that the Champions League season Batty and Le Saux went to puck the heads of each other during a game?
I think it was against Moscow
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 13, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2009, 11:25:43 AM
Quote from: new devil on January 13, 2009, 11:06:21 AM
That actually was a very good team...but we should of won that league title as well..Andy Cole V west ham :'( :'(
They were that good in their next season in the Champions league in a group comprising Spartak Moscow, Legia Warsaw and Rosenborg they had the following record................
W D L
1 1 4
They also finished 15 points above your beloved Scousers...
Just debunking the idea that they were a "very good team".........
THAT SEASON they won the league they were a very good team...dose it not take a very team to win the league ???
LL yea that was year nearly sure it was moscow..they were wearing that horrible red/black jersey
I wouldn't call them a "very" good team but they were really organised, tough to score against and when they hoofed the ball forward Shearer terrorised defenses with his pace and power. Wilcox delivered great set pieces for the likes of Berg, Hendry and Sutton to attack. They were compact and not too flashy and had a gameplan that they stuck to. United handed them that title though several things that happened in the run in would make you think that Blackburn were just meant to win that year.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2009, 11:49:45 AM
I wouldn't call them a "very" good team but they were really organised, tough to score against and when they hoofed the ball forward Shearer terrorised defenses with his pace and power. Wilcox delivered great set pieces for the likes of Berg, Hendry and Sutton to attack. They were compact and not too flashy and had a gameplan that they stuck to. United handed them that title though several things that happened in the run in would make you think that Blackburn were just meant to win that year.
Did United get 'nervous' and 'fold'? :P
Not that season. That only happens to teams who haven't won it before/in a while e.g. United did when Leeds won it in '91-92 - both teams folded but Leeds just fell over the line ahead of United (largely dueto big Eric). Blackburn tied up badly late the season they won it but United had left themselves too much to do.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2009, 01:05:06 PM
Not that season. That only happens to teams who haven't won it before/in a while e.g. United did when Leeds won it in '91-92 - both teams folded but Leeds just fell over the line ahead of United (largely dueto big Eric). Blackburn tied up badly late the season they won it but United had left themselves too much to do.
Note the smiley, was only jesting my man.
Man Utd are favourites - Torres (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7825458.stm)
QuoteLiverpool striker Fernando Torres believes Manchester United are favourites to win the Premier League title after their 3-0 win over Chelsea.
The Anfield outfit head the table but United, who are five points behind in third place, have two games in hand.
"They are the favourites and the champions right now and have shown over the years they are a very powerful team," said the 24-year-old Spaniard.
"They have two more games to play. If they catch up they will be top."
Torres, who was one of the nominees for the Fifa Player of the Year award, which was won by United winger Cristiano Ronaldo, believes Liverpool's match at Old Trafford on 14 March could decide the destination of the title.
"We know we have Old Trafford waiting for us and Arsenal and Chelsea at home - we have to fight until the very end," added the forward.
"The match at Old Trafford could turn out to be the decider and we hope we can be on an equal footing when we go there and try to win the match at a place that has not been advantageous for us in the past."
United play host to Wigan on Wednesday before visiting Bolton on Saturday.
Wins would result in Sir Alex Ferguson's side gaining the advantage in the title race, with Liverpool not playing their next Premier League match until Monday - when they face Everton in a Merseyside derby at Anfield.
Feck me Torres has lost it. He's cracking under the pressure....
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 13, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Feck me Torres has lost it. He's cracking under the pressure....
Ees gota fax ::)
Quote from: supersarsfields on January 13, 2009, 03:48:11 PM
Feck me Torres has lost it. He's cracking under the pressure....
Mr Alex "Sigmund Freud" Ferguson will be having a quiet, evil laugh at Torres. Round two to Mr Ferguson.......
QuoteThat only happens to teams who haven't won it before/in a while e.g. United did when Leeds won it in '91-92 - both teams folded but Leeds just fell over the line ahead of United (largely dueto big Eric).
Ah, I can't let that go Seanie, on two points. Leeds won that title by four points, hardly falling over the line - though Utd did get walloped on the last day of the season in Anfield. It wasn't largely due to big Eric either - he did have a great season, but most neutrals would have attributed the success to the midfield of Batty, McAllister and Strachan, and of course Chapman was top scorer.
Well from my memory United were stumbling in the run in including that 2-0 defeat at Anfield and I definitely remember Leeds getting thumped 4-0 or 4-1 by QPR in the run in. Leeds beat Sheffield United to clinch the title with a couple of bizarre goals I think. Cantona scored a few goals in the run in and they were crucial. No doubting the players you mentioned had fine seasons - my point was that Eric was vital in the run in. Leeds kept their nerve better but it wasn't an imperious run to victory.
Fair enough, Leeds left the imperious running far behind in the 70s.
Rumour has it over here that there's video evidence Gerrard went over to yer man in the bar, hit him knocking him down, started to kick him when he was on the ground. Gerrard's mates waded in and he went away and came back with a bottle and threw it at the boy on the ground.
Bad if that's true but could be bullshit.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2009, 07:24:51 PM
Rumour has it over here that there's video evidence Gerrard went over to yer man in the bar, hit him knocking him down, started to kick him when he was on the ground. Gerrard's mates waded in and he went away and came back with a bottle and threw it at the boy on the ground.
Bad if that's true but could be bullshit.
Yes that rumour has been doing the rounds for a while now - bullshit until proven otherwise. I think it would have been mentioned by police by now.
Could well be bullshit corn (probably is) but why would the police release evidence to the media?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2009, 09:19:43 PM
Could well be bullshit corn (probably is) but why would the police release evidence to the media?
Fair enough, but I don't recall any mention of CCTV? You got to wonder how someobdy would know abolut this supposed footage. Plus sounds a bit savage for the chipped tooth he suffered.
I see Torres seems to think Rafa is incorrect. The cheek of him to question his manager - he should be left to rot on the bench for the rest of the year!
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2009, 09:24:17 AM
I see Torres seems to think Rafa is incorrect. The cheek of him to question his manager - he should be left to rot on the bench for the rest of the year!
One striker rotting on the bench is enough.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2009, 07:24:51 PM
Rumour has it over here that there's video evidence Gerrard went over to yer man in the bar, hit him knocking him down, started to kick him when he was on the ground. Gerrard's mates waded in and he went away and came back with a bottle and threw it at the boy on the ground.
Bad if that's true but could be bullshit.
If this is what actually happened I can guarantee that Gerard would not have been charged with a s47 assault. The way things work is that the police charge with with the highest offence that they can as a holding charge and then when the case is being set for trial, the actual charges that the defendant will be facing will be put to him. A s47 assault is the next step up from common assault which is the lowest level of assault charge available. If there was CCTV evidence of Gerard doing this, and there was evidence that the complainant had injuries, which there is, then he would have been charged with a minimum s 20 assault for GBH, or possibly a s 18 GBH with intent, as he went back and threw a bottle at him.
What's the likely penalty if he's found guilty as charged bc?
I heard there was CCTV. I would expect there to be CCTV is such a place, and if there wasnt I would have expected Liverpool to pay off the victim to make it go away (which they couldnt do if there was CCTV evidence).
But I dont believe its near as bad as said above, otherwise surely he would have been charged with assault rather than affray.
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 14, 2009, 10:01:19 AM
What's the likely penalty if he's found guilty as charged bc?
If it was in the north and he was convicted of s47, with no record, there would be community service or possibly a short suspended sentence. The likelihood is that it would be a community service type penalty with a compensation payment to the victim.
If he is found guilty do you think the FA will act and if so what is likely?
I wouldn't think so, it is not football related. They didn't get involved in Joey Barton's case involving the assault in Liverpool, but they did suspend him over whacking his team mate. The FA would have no grounds to get involved officially, but unofficially he might never get the England captain's armband again of convicted.
Finnan on the way back to the league - with Hull City
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4796994,00.html
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2009, 01:54:41 PM
Finnan on the way back to the league - with Hull City
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4796994,00.html
LL has just ejaculated
Quote from: Hound on January 14, 2009, 10:10:20 AM
I heard there was CCTV. I would expect there to be CCTV is such a place, and if there wasnt I would have expected Liverpool to pay off the victim to make it go away (which they couldnt do if there was CCTV evidence).
But I dont believe its near as bad as said above, otherwise surely he would have been charged with assault rather than affray.
There was CCTV in the Terry/Morris/ Byrne case that showed that Terry was innocent but he still was taken to court.
QuoteI wouldn't think so, it is not football related. They didn't get involved in Joey Barton's case involving the assault in Liverpool, but they did suspend him over whacking his team mate. The FA would have no grounds to get involved officially, but unofficially he might never get the England captain's armband again of convicted.
The FA have banned players while charged in the past... why not again?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on January 13, 2009, 07:24:51 PM
Rumour has it over here that there's video evidence Gerrard went over to yer man in the bar, hit him knocking him down, started to kick him when he was on the ground. Gerrard's mates waded in and he went away and came back with a bottle and threw it at the boy on the ground.
Bad if that's true but could be bullshit.
this is totally untrue,of the offences committed Gerrard was minimal.i know your going to ask me how i know,just trust me i know.
How do you know ::) ::)
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2009, 02:29:45 PM
The FA have banned players while charged in the past... why not again?
Who have the FA banned for getting arrested for a non-football incident?
Quote from: Hound on January 15, 2009, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2009, 02:29:45 PM
The FA have banned players while charged in the past... why not again?
Who have the FA banned for getting arrested for a non-football incident?
Wasn't Woodgate banned?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-new s/2009/01/16/liverpool-fc-exclusive-rafa-benitez-rejects-new -contract-100252-22708447/
RAFA Benitez has rejected the contract offered to him by Liverpool Football Club.
The Spaniard insists he will only agree to the new deal if given more control over football matters - rather than having to answer to a club chief executive.
Benitez, who insists money is not an issue, has informed American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett of his stand.
Today he said: ""The owners feel that the manager's decisions need to be subject to the chief executive.
"But I know that I am subject to results and to our fans and they are the best judges I will ever have."
Rafa will be gone in the summer if that is the case. :-[
Not looking good for Rafa
He will have to go on the sick, what with him first cracking up, then having no job ;)
If Rafa takes on Gillette and Hicks there will only be one winner, i suppose winning the league would give him a fair bit of leverage in any talks........
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2009, 11:57:57 AM
If Rafa takes on Gillette and Hicks there will only be one winner, i suppose winning the league would give him a fair bit of leverage in any talks........
He can be stubborn at times. Of course we don't know the ins and outs, but it can't be good for the team.
I wouldnt be Rafa's biggest fan. Wouldnt bother me if he left, but it would bother me greatly if the new man wanted to bring in a heap of new faces and we lost the best of the Spanish players we have.
In this case of this argument, I would be on the side of the yanks if Rafa wants total control of the transfers.
The yanks have to be in charge of budgets if they are to run a successful club.
But if all Rafa wants is control of how the agreed budget is spent, then I don't think its unreasonable. If Rafa thinks a player is worth X amount and that amount is within the overall budget, then it shouldnt need review/approval from above.
Agger's agent was seen in Milan earlier in the week, but he has denied his visit was anything to do with Agger.
Quote from: Hound on January 15, 2009, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 15, 2009, 02:29:45 PM
The FA have banned players while charged in the past... why not again?
Who have the FA banned for getting arrested for a non-football incident?
John Terry, Lee Bowyer, and Jonathon Woodgate. In addition IIRC England U21s did not consider Jody Morris as well, but this may have been for footballing reasons.
Dennis Wise was stripped of the Chelsea captaincy by Hoddle. Did the FA not consider punishing him too? He may not have been picked for England or something.
Liverpool co-chairman Tom Hicks gave an interview to Sky Sports News earlier today - here's what he had to say in full.
Journalist: What is your reaction to news that Rafa Benitez has rejected his contract offer?
Hicks: As Rafa says, we have a strong working relationship and we're united behind the team. We understand Rafa's frustrations and we're committed to working with him and his advisors to find a solution here. We'll keep talking. I'm coming over for the Chelsea match and we'd already planned to get together on the 30th and 31st to talk over a number of issues. We'll clear up anything that's been talked about here and now we want to keep our focus on the pitch - we've got the derby coming up.
Journalist: Do you understand where he's coming from with regards to control over transfers?
Hicks: Well, Rafa's been frustrated for a long time now about the length of time it takes for certain things to happen, and I think he's just trying to, you know, position himself to be able to do his job better. There are balances that need to be achieved in English football and we'll work through these things.
Journalist: He's said in the past that he's been frustrated with the time things take - does he have a point there?
Hicks: Well, sure he does - but we can fix that, and we will.
Journalist: Are the problems highlighted today fixable?
Hicks: I'm absolutely comfortable in saying Rafa loves Liverpool and will be the manager.
Journalist: How do you move on from this. You say you have a meeting at the end of the month - is that where these things will be thrashed out?
Hicks: George and I will be working with the lawyers to get this resolved. I am just not worried about it at all.
Journalist: How will this affect things on the pitch, because you've said in the past that you're happy with how things are going on the pitch? Liverpool are going well, aren't they? Will this affect that?
Hicks: Oh, I hope not. That's why Rafa's advisors have wanted to slow things down and try to take attention away from this. They want to stay focused on the pitch.
Journalist: So in terms of your relationship with Rafa, and George's, how does that stand at the moment?
Hicks: You know, I have had a great relationship with Rafa in this past year. We talk often and e-mail even more often. I have had a lot of fun watching him doing a great job this year and we've got a great relationship.
Journalist: So to reiterate, do you feel as though the problems with the contract negotiations can be worked out?
Hicks: I do - I certainly do. There are certainly no issues between Rafa and the owners in any way. There are issues he wants to work out to make things better for the club.
Journalist: And as far as the season is going - how pleased are you?
Hicks: Well, you can't complain at being first. We'd have liked a couple more points last weekend but we've now got to worry about Everton on Monday.
Journalist: What's your message to any Liverpool fans out there?
Hicks: They should relax - Rafa is going to be manager of Liverpool for the next five years and we'll work through these little lawyer issues.
No figure yet. I'd say abour 2.5 to 3 million.
Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for winger Jermaine Pennant.
The 26-year-old, whose Anfield contract expires in the summer, will now discuss personal terms with the south coast club over the next few days.
Pennant has represented Liverpool 79 times, scoring three goals along the way - the most memorable coming against Chelsea at the Anfield Road End in January 2006.
He was signed by Rafa Benitez in the summer of 2006 and played in the European Cup final defeat to AC Milan a year later.
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
No figure yet. I'd say abour 2.5 to 3 million.
Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for winger Jermaine Pennant.
The 26-year-old, whose Anfield contract expires in the summer, will now discuss personal terms with the south coast club over the next few days.
Pennant has represented Liverpool 79 times, scoring three goals along the way - the most memorable coming against Chelsea at the Anfield Road End in January 2006.
He was signed by Rafa Benitez in the summer of 2006 and played in the European Cup final defeat to AC Milan a year later.
Are we paying Pompey that to take him, not bad business at all..........
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2009, 03:03:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
No figure yet. I'd say abour 2.5 to 3 million.
Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for winger Jermaine Pennant.
The 26-year-old, whose Anfield contract expires in the summer, will now discuss personal terms with the south coast club over the next few days.
Pennant has represented Liverpool 79 times, scoring three goals along the way - the most memorable coming against Chelsea at the Anfield Road End in January 2006.
He was signed by Rafa Benitez in the summer of 2006 and played in the European Cup final defeat to AC Milan a year later.
Are we paying Pompey that to take him, not bad business at all..........
A tad harsh. Always felt he had plenty of abilty, his attitude was not right though. He will do well at Pompey and Crouch will be glad of him
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 03:06:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2009, 03:03:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
No figure yet. I'd say abour 2.5 to 3 million.
Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for winger Jermaine Pennant.
The 26-year-old, whose Anfield contract expires in the summer, will now discuss personal terms with the south coast club over the next few days.
Pennant has represented Liverpool 79 times, scoring three goals along the way - the most memorable coming against Chelsea at the Anfield Road End in January 2006.
He was signed by Rafa Benitez in the summer of 2006 and played in the European Cup final defeat to AC Milan a year later.
Are we paying Pompey that to take him, not bad business at all..........
A tad harsh. Always felt he had plenty of abilty, his attitude was not right though. He will do well at Pompey and Crouch will be glad of him
Do yuo think his attutude will improve any at Portsmouth?
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 03:06:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2009, 03:03:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
No figure yet. I'd say abour 2.5 to 3 million.
Liverpool have accepted a bid from Portsmouth for winger Jermaine Pennant.
The 26-year-old, whose Anfield contract expires in the summer, will now discuss personal terms with the south coast club over the next few days.
Pennant has represented Liverpool 79 times, scoring three goals along the way - the most memorable coming against Chelsea at the Anfield Road End in January 2006.
He was signed by Rafa Benitez in the summer of 2006 and played in the European Cup final defeat to AC Milan a year later.
Are we paying Pompey that to take him, not bad business at all..........
A tad harsh. Always felt he had plenty of abilty, his attitude was not right though. He will do well at Pompey and Crouch will be glad of him
Do yuo think his attutude will improve any at Portsmouth?
Probably not, but he will play more there. For all his shennanigans, laziness and drinking, he still would play if selected and he will be a regular at Fratton.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 16, 2009, 02:12:12 PM
Dennis Wise was stripped of the Chelsea captaincy by Hoddle. Did the FA not consider punishing him too? He may not have been picked for England or something.
I could be wrong but if I remember Chelsea punished Wise after he was found guilty. Wise was then subsequently cleared on appeal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7833429.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7833429.stm)
QuoteLiverpool winger Jermaine Pennant says he does not want to join Portsmouth after the two clubs agreed a fee.
The 26-year-old was expected to go for talks at Fratton Park in the next few days, but he remains convinced his future is at Anfield.
"My preference is to stay at Liverpool and I am still hoping to do so. I do not want to leave," said Pennant.
"I am happy to compete for my place here and hope that I am given the chance to do so."
Pennant has played 81 times for Liverpool since joining from Birmingham in July 2006, but has only featured four times so far this season.
Pompey boss Tony Adams, who knows Pennant from their time together at Arsenal, is desperate to sign a player who has been interesting Real Madrid and AC Milan.
"Jermaine is a player I have been tracking because he is not getting regular first-team football," said Adams.
"I realised he wasn't in the team at Liverpool, he was a bit-part player, and I said to our executive chairman Peter Storrie that we might be able to give him a platform to play football.
"We have had a bid accepted by Liverpool and we want to get him down here ASAP."
Pennant began his career with Notts County before moving to Arsenal and he also played on loan for Watford and Leeds before joining Birmingham.
Looks like Pennant is happy enough earning £40,000 a week for bench warming.
For all those rafa bashers...please provide a few names of suggested replacements?
Rafa has his faults, though i firnly believe he is the best man for the job.
Quote from: FermGael on January 16, 2009, 06:44:34 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7833429.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7833429.stm)
QuoteLiverpool winger Jermaine Pennant says he does not want to join Portsmouth after the two clubs agreed a fee.
The 26-year-old was expected to go for talks at Fratton Park in the next few days, but he remains convinced his future is at Anfield.
"My preference is to stay at Liverpool and I am still hoping to do so. I do not want to leave," said Pennant.
"I am happy to compete for my place here and hope that I am given the chance to do so."
Pennant has played 81 times for Liverpool since joining from Birmingham in July 2006, but has only featured four times so far this season.
Pompey boss Tony Adams, who knows Pennant from their time together at Arsenal, is desperate to sign a player who has been interesting Real Madrid and AC Milan.
"Jermaine is a player I have been tracking because he is not getting regular first-team football," said Adams.
"I realised he wasn't in the team at Liverpool, he was a bit-part player, and I said to our executive chairman Peter Storrie that we might be able to give him a platform to play football.
"We have had a bid accepted by Liverpool and we want to get him down here ASAP."
Pennant began his career with Notts County before moving to Arsenal and he also played on loan for Watford and Leeds before joining Birmingham.
Looks like Pennant is happy enough earning £40,000 a week for bench warming.
Not surprised.
Liverpool accepted a bid from Hull in the summer, but Pennant wouldnt go
Quote from: stiffler on January 16, 2009, 06:56:37 PM
For all those rafa bashers...please provide a few names of suggested replacements?
Rafa has his faults, though i firnly believe he is the best man for the job.
Stephen Staunton. Please.
His royal Keaneness
Quote from: heganboy on January 16, 2009, 08:25:16 PM
His royal Keaneness
Sure the only team he has managed is Mayfield in Celebrity Bainisteoir ;)
was watching football focus 2day lawro said ramos only on a temp deal to end of season!could be troublesome news for rafa situation...
There is a Merseyside derby on tomorrow night can we concentrate on that rather than that p***K Keane ??? Let the United fans worship at his altar on their own thread..
After United scraping a win yesterday surely Rafa has to be a bit more positive which his team tomorrow night than he was against Stoke,personally I would go with Keane/Kuyt up front,not sure if Torres is 100% fit so he might be better as a sub if needed
No pressure tomorrow night lads. sure at least a draw is guaranteed with everton not having a single fit striker an all....
Anyone know if the seats in Anfield start at the back or the front? For example is row 3 at the bottom, or back of th stand?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 18, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
Anyone know if the seats in Anfield start at the back or the front? For example is row 3 at the bottom, or back of th stand?
Row 3 will be third from the front. Have sat in Row 1 of kop and it as it says.
Quote from: bingobus on January 18, 2009, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 18, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
Anyone know if the seats in Anfield start at the back or the front? For example is row 3 at the bottom, or back of th stand?
Row 3 will be third from the front. Have sat in Row 1 of kop and it as it says.
Cheers. You can rest assured it'll not be the kop I am in :P
Quote from: The GAA on January 18, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
No pressure tomorrow night lads. sure at least a draw is guaranteed with everton not having a single fit striker an all....
Why do united fans feel they have to degrade themselves like this, is it not enough that ye won yesterday, itrs shite like that that sickens me about united fans
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 18, 2009, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: The GAA on January 18, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
No pressure tomorrow night lads. sure at least a draw is guaranteed with everton not having a single fit striker an all....
Why do united fans feel they have to degrade themselves like this, is it not enough that ye won yesterday, itrs shite like that that sickens me about united fans
I think it was only a bit of piss taking. Are you not taking yourself too seriously?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 18, 2009, 02:17:27 PM
Quote from: The GAA on January 18, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
No pressure tomorrow night lads. sure at least a draw is guaranteed with everton not having a single fit striker an all....
Why do united fans feel they have to degrade themselves like this, is it not enough that ye won yesterday, itrs shite like that that sickens me about united fans
:D
Piss-taking is all well and good (when it involves Spurs) :D - but it get's a bit boring when nearly 50% of the posts on the thread aren't from Liverpool supporters
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 18, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Piss-taking is all well and good (when it involves Spurs) :D - but it get's a bit boring when nearly 50% of the posts on the thread aren't from Liverpool supporters
This is what it is like to be at the top or thereabouts of the league
People want a bit of you
Wouldnt it be worse if the thread was like the Villa or Everton thread
You just cant please some people..........
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 18, 2009, 05:28:43 PM
Piss-taking is all well and good (when it involves Spurs) :D - but it get's a bit boring when nearly 50% of the posts on the thread aren't from Liverpool supporters
Treu, true, just look at the amount of us on the United thread.
Here's my treble this week:
Tonight - Liverpool win
Tomorrow - Gerrard guilty
Friday - Everton win
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 18, 2009, 12:04:58 PM
There is a Merseyside derby on tomorrow night can we concentrate on that rather than that p***K Keane ??? Let the United fans worship at his altar on their own thread..
After United scraping a win yesterday surely Rafa has to be a bit more positive which his team tomorrow night than he was against Stoke,personally I would go with Keane/Kuyt up front,not sure if Torres is 100% fit so he might be better as a sub if needed
Torres, Alonso, Arbeloa all fit. I'd be very surprised if Torres doesnt start.
My guess is that he'll push Kuyt back out onto the right, with Mascherano and Alonso in the middle and Gerrard supporting Torres. Then Riera on the left. But both wide men pushing on to make it a 4-2-3-1 formation.
Quote from: under the bar on January 19, 2009, 09:31:45 AM
Here's my treble this week:
Tonight - Liverpool win
Tomorrow - Gerrard guilty
Friday - Everton win
I am all for a tasteless, topical joke, but the Gerrard/Ronaldo ones have been very poor. UTB I think that was the worst yet.
What were the ronaldo jokes corn?
Has keane really fell that far down the pecking order that rafa would
Push gerrard up front?
Quote from: new devil on January 19, 2009, 09:54:19 AM
What were the ronaldo jokes corn?
Has keane really fell that far down the pecking order that rafa would
Push gerrard up front?
Gerrard played behind Kuyt in the last 2 league games, the 5-1 v Newky and the 0-0 v Stoke
do yous not think keane deserves more of a chance?
QuoteHere's my treble this week:
Tonight - Liverpool win
Tomorrow - Gerrard guilty
Friday - Everton win
I am all for a tasteless, topical joke, but the Gerrard/Ronaldo ones have been very poor. UTB I think that was the worst yet.
Why? Do you think tonight will be a draw?
QuoteRAFA BENITEZ took another swipe at Kop chiefs for the deal delay that could see Daniel Agger go to Italy.
Benitez said: "The club have been too slow on Agger's contract and he's now all over the papers because we were not quick enough.
"Agger was telling me he wants to stay. His commitment to the club is 100 per cent but they have been waiting and waiting and waiting and don't know what is happening."
AC Milan want the 24-year-old Danish centre-back, whose Kop deal runs out in 18 months.
Last week his agent Per Steffensen met Milan sporting director Ariedo Braida.
But Steffensen insisted: "There's been a lot of speculation that's been wide of the mark. I was over just to build a relationship with the club."
Benitez has halted his own contract talks until the Anfield outfit's US owners agree to give him greater control of transfers.
Now he has launched a thinly-veiled dig at Kop chief exec Rick Parry.
However, the Spaniard added: "I know Agger wants to stay so we can find a solution."
Is having stuff like this printed in the tabloids really the way to deal with problems? :-\
I think the only solution is to gag this man
FFS, he just cant seem to keep anything behind closed doors
All this yapping for a club 2nd in the PL & through to the next round of the CL ::)
must get 3 points tonight.would like to see rafa go for the jugular 2night and start keane torres upfront with a mf of kuyt,alonso,gerrard,riera and try and stretch everton from the off. i feel that when teams that we should be beating at home come sometimes it takes us too long to get going. an early goal in these type of games can be great for confidence and also immediately puts self doubt in the opposition. everton on a good run at the moment though they will be delighted with a point 2night considering they will be missing fellaini and their striker situation
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 19, 2009, 12:22:04 PM
must get 3 points tonight.would like to see rafa go for the jugular 2night and start keane torres upfront with a mf of kuyt,alonso,gerrard,riera and try and stretch everton from the off. i feel that when teams that we should be beating at home come sometimes it takes us too long to get going. an early goal in these type of games can be great for confidence and also immediately puts self doubt in the opposition. everton on a good run at the moment though they will be delighted with a point 2night considering they will be missing fellaini and their striker situation
Team I think we will see tonight.
Reina
Carragher Agger Hyypia Aurelio
Kuyt Gerrard Alonson Reira
Torres Keane
Quote from: EC Unique on January 19, 2009, 10:25:25 AM
QuoteRAFA BENITEZ took another swipe at Kop chiefs for the deal delay that could see Daniel Agger go to Italy.
Benitez said: "The club have been too slow on Agger's contract and he's now all over the papers because we were not quick enough.
"Agger was telling me he wants to stay. His commitment to the club is 100 per cent but they have been waiting and waiting and waiting and don't know what is happening."
AC Milan want the 24-year-old Danish centre-back, whose Kop deal runs out in 18 months.
Last week his agent Per Steffensen met Milan sporting director Ariedo Braida.
But Steffensen insisted: "There's been a lot of speculation that's been wide of the mark. I was over just to build a relationship with the club."
Benitez has halted his own contract talks until the Anfield outfit's US owners agree to give him greater control of transfers.
Now he has launched a thinly-veiled dig at Kop chief exec Rick Parry.
However, the Spaniard added: "I know Agger wants to stay so we can find a solution."
Is having stuff like this printed in the tabloids really the way to deal with problems? :-\
The problem is tabloids taking bits from interviews Rafa gave, and addiing extra stuff in to make headlines.
According to the rag above, this is what Benitez said, and according to them it was a dig at Parry! :
"
The club have been too slow on Agger's contract and he's now all over the papers because we were not quick enough.
"Agger was telling me he wants to stay. His commitment to the club is 100 per cent
but they have been waiting and waiting and waiting and don't know what is happening."
"I know Agger wants to stay so we can find a solution."
The quote is correct apart from the bold and italics.
The bold is a total fabrication, totally made up.
And the italics has been the subject of creative exaggeration by the reporter - what Rafa actually said was "he is waiting for our phone call"
Actual interview is reproduced here:
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N162879090117-1125.htm
I would be surprised if Benitez played that team. When is the last time he played Gerrard in central midfield with 2 up front? He thinks that it is too attacking and he is probably right. Keane will be on the bench with Macherano in midfield to cover for Gerrard.
Everton are going to put out a defensive team because of their lack of strikers
If Rafa plays his usual conservative team it will be a complete borefest
Any other big 4 manager would go for the jugglar if the other team were missing players, but I fear Rafa hasnt the gonads & would rather get a point than risk it
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2009, 12:55:58 PM
I would be surprised if Benitez played that team. When is the last time he played Gerrard in central midfield with 2 up front? He thinks that it is too attacking and he is probably right. Keane will be on the bench with Macherano in midfield to cover for Gerrard.
The last time was probably at Goodison earlier in the season, when Liverpool won 2-0. He played the same midfield and strikeforce as per Corn's mail. But I doubt he'll do it this time.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2009, 12:55:58 PM
I would be surprised if Benitez played that team. When is the last time he played Gerrard in central midfield with 2 up front? He thinks that it is too attacking and he is probably right. Keane will be on the bench with Macherano in midfield to cover for Gerrard.
To be fair Seanie, Torres' injuries have dictated a lot of that, He played Kuyt and Keane a couple of times as well, can't mind who though? I know United was one, who else, West Brom maybe? ???
I see Mascherano was injured for that first Everton game. Maybe he does play that formation more than I thought.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2009, 01:10:31 PM
I see Mascherano was injured for that first Everton game. Maybe he does play that formation more than I thought.
Slightly more, but never away from home really.
Team apparently:
reina,carra,skrtel,sami,auerelio,kuy,alonso,gerrar d,riera,torres and keane
I was one out.
Quote from: corn02 on January 19, 2009, 05:36:57 PM
Team apparently:
reina,carra,skrtel,sami,auerelio,kuy,alonso,gerrar d,riera,torres and keane
I was one out.
Where you get your info?
I would be very happy to see Keane play
Off a forum, the poster is generally spot on and a bit in the know, just awaiting him to confirm it.
Quote from: corn02 on January 19, 2009, 06:04:23 PM
Off a forum, the poster is generally spot on and a bit in the know, just awaiting him to confirm it.
ynwa.com?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 19, 2009, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 19, 2009, 06:04:23 PM
Off a forum, the poster is generally spot on and a bit in the know, just awaiting him to confirm it.
ynwa.com?
No, a smaller one. Is that YNWA one any good?
Radio City saying it too LL.
Quote from: corn02 on January 19, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 19, 2009, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 19, 2009, 06:04:23 PM
Off a forum, the poster is generally spot on and a bit in the know, just awaiting him to confirm it.
ynwa.com?
No, a smaller one. Is that YNWA one any good?
Can't access ynwa anymore for some reason,its actually www.ynwa.tv not .com I wasn't a member I just read the posts,There was a member who nearly always got things right like transfers team selections etc,he was suppose to be a mate of Stevie G's I remember him posting weeks before that Keane would sign for Liverpool
I use this one a lot http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/ good few Irish members on it
An Everton fan posted this on a Liverpool forum I use :D
I think he doesn't like LFC that much :)
Quotehave aired my sentiments regarding this matter before, but I will say it again, I have mates who are kopites, in fact my best mate is one. I go to the derbies and sit next to him home and away. How can you hate someone who is your best mate? The answer is you can't. However I do hate Liverpool F.C. I hate them with a passion I hate the players, the manager, the coach, the stadium, the club shop, the pro-red press, the flags and banners, the scarves and the hats and badges. I hate the colour red, I hate Carls*erg, I hate Re*bok, I hate the kop magazine, I hate Sh*nkly, Pa*sley, Ke*gan, D*lglish, R*sh H*nsen [and anyone else they have ever loved] I hate that f*cking disgusting song and the little orange umper lumper that sings it. I hate their celebrity fans [Cilla, Tarbuck, Boardman and the rest of the gobsh*tes] I hate Cro*n paints, I hate Can*y, I hate their chairman, I hate their board, I hate the way they deal in the transfer market, I hate their past players, I hate their arrogance their delusions of grandeur, their bias account of history, I hate the whole Liverpool machine. I hate what they stand for and what they represent. I f*cking hate them. I hold my breath when I pass the sh*thole, I scribble out the faces of players and managers when I see them, I spit at the echo when it kisses their ars*s, I shout stuff at their fans when I see them and argue with them constantly I snap them when I play footy. Their fans are phoney hollow plastic heartless and emotionless. It just seems like one big hobby to them. They forget their victories after 10 minutes and get over their defeats even quicker. They make me sick. They sit there in their bland sky sports stadium, with no atmosphere. It is full of tourists and foreigners who don't give two f*cks about the club. Sky sports always turn up the volume of their fans when their on Sky [Every f*cking week] Its like a f*cking morgue in reality. They spout on about their full houses and how they can't get a ticket, Heres my advice to them WELL F*CKIN TRY! The truth is that they don't want a ticket [unless it's for the cup final.]They just wont admit that they're not that ars*d about it. If you want a ticket bad enough then you will get one [ I always have] So f*ck off you lying b*stards. Next time one of them says they can't get a ticket tell them that you can get them one. I guarantee 8 or 9 out of ten of them will make up an excuse why they can't go. They block out all the problems of the past and nobody [except us] questions them. They poach players without punishment they tap up anybody who will listen to their putrid rhetoric. They have this perfect image that is as false and nobody bats an eyelid. They cling on to former glories and go on and on and on about their 18 league titles blah blah blah. They know the statistics but know f*ck all about the game "THEIR" club or anything else. People say forget about Heysel. Well that is right, we should because them tw*ts certainly did [about 5 minutes after it happened]. They have no f*cking respect for anyone except themselves, it makes me f*cking sick. Where is the memorial? the minutes silence? Where is there any apology, any regret, any sympathy? nowhere. Imagine if it was the other way around there would be f*cking uproar. Imagine if nobody observed a minutes silence for hillsborough [well they would because they have respect]. I observe the minutes silence every year and the people who dont are feckin w*nkers. Liverpool get all this respect but they give none out to anybody else. They say Everton fans are sick for singing songs about Heysel yet they sing songs about the Manc disaster. This is my point, they employ different standards. They try to take the moral high ground and look down and sneer at the so called "lesser clubs" But the fact is they are horrible f*ckin tw*ts. They contradict themselves all the time and think they are better than everyone else. They make me f*ckin sick. They think they have a divine right to win the title and think that teams are scared to play them. They really should open their eyes and get real. They are an average f*ckin team who are light years behind Man utd and Arsenal but they wont have any of it. They live in a fantasy world where liverpool are still the best team. They constantly say they are gonna win the league [but never f*ckin do]. I suppose Mellor will be the last piece of jigsaw eh? and they are only 10 more games from greatness. F*ck off you blind and ignorant b*llends I hate them with a passion. I always think that a part of loving EVERTON is hating Liverpool. They are combined and come as a package deal. I feel that hating Liverpool makes me realise how much I love Everton. I wake up everyday and thank god that I didnt have to support that bunch of flag waving scarf wearing kop sitting kop p*ssing phoney hollow adidas wearing carlsberg drinking f*ckin w*nkers.
So I suppose you could say that I dont care for that club very much.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM
Someone has issue's :D
The Reds XI in full is: Reina, Carragher, Hyypia, Skrtel, Aurelio, Alonso, Gerrard, Riera, Kuyt, Keane, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Babel, Lucas, Benayoun.
Yer man is obviously in the know corn. What site is it?
Bellamy gone to Man City for 14 million.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 19, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
There was a member who nearly always got things right like transfers team selections etc,he was suppose to be a mate of Stevie G's I remember him posting weeks before that Keane would sign for Liverpool
Was that Elisha Scott? he called the keane transfer nearly a month before it came off
Quote from: gawa316 on January 19, 2009, 07:09:37 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 19, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
There was a member who nearly always got things right like transfers team selections etc,he was suppose to be a mate of Stevie G's I remember him posting weeks before that Keane would sign for Liverpool
Was that Elisha Scott? he called the keane transfer nearly a month before it came off
Yup that was him
Any streams for this game guys?
That Everton fan's rant is excellent reading!!
Any streams? Really have to get Setanta :-[
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 19, 2009, 06:43:25 PM
An Everton fan posted this on a Liverpool forum I use :D
I think he doesn't like LFC that much :)
Quotehave aired my sentiments regarding this matter before, but I will say it again, I have mates who are kopites, in fact my best mate is one. I go to the derbies and sit next to him home and away. How can you hate someone who is your best mate? The answer is you can’t. However I do hate Liverpool F.C. I hate them with a passion I hate the players, the manager, the coach, the stadium, the club shop, the pro-red press, the flags and banners, the scarves and the hats and badges. I hate the colour red, I hate Carls*erg, I hate Re*bok, I hate the kop magazine, I hate Sh*nkly, Pa*sley, Ke*gan, D*lglish, R*sh H*nsen [and anyone else they have ever loved] I hate that f*cking disgusting song and the little orange umper lumper that sings it. I hate their celebrity fans [Cilla, Tarbuck, Boardman and the rest of the gobsh*tes] I hate Cro*n paints, I hate Can*y, I hate their chairman, I hate their board, I hate the way they deal in the transfer market, I hate their past players, I hate their arrogance their delusions of grandeur, their bias account of history, I hate the whole Liverpool machine. I hate what they stand for and what they represent. I f*cking hate them. I hold my breath when I pass the sh*thole, I scribble out the faces of players and managers when I see them, I spit at the echo when it kisses their ars*s, I shout stuff at their fans when I see them and argue with them constantly I snap them when I play footy. Their fans are phoney hollow plastic heartless and emotionless. It just seems like one big hobby to them. They forget their victories after 10 minutes and get over their defeats even quicker. They make me sick. They sit there in their bland sky sports stadium, with no atmosphere. It is full of tourists and foreigners who don’t give two f*cks about the club. Sky sports always turn up the volume of their fans when their on Sky [Every f*cking week] Its like a f*cking morgue in reality. They spout on about their full houses and how they can’t get a ticket, Heres my advice to them WELL F*CKIN TRY! The truth is that they don’t want a ticket [unless it’s for the cup final.]They just wont admit that they’re not that ars*d about it. If you want a ticket bad enough then you will get one [ I always have] So f*ck off you lying b*stards. Next time one of them says they can’t get a ticket tell them that you can get them one. I guarantee 8 or 9 out of ten of them will make up an excuse why they can’t go. They block out all the problems of the past and nobody [except us] questions them. They poach players without punishment they tap up anybody who will listen to their putrid rhetoric. They have this perfect image that is as false and nobody bats an eyelid. They cling on to former glories and go on and on and on about their 18 league titles blah blah blah. They know the statistics but know f*ck all about the game "THEIR" club or anything else. People say forget about Heysel. Well that is right, we should because them tw*ts certainly did [about 5 minutes after it happened]. They have no f*cking respect for anyone except themselves, it makes me f*cking sick. Where is the memorial? the minutes silence? Where is there any apology, any regret, any sympathy? nowhere. Imagine if it was the other way around there would be f*cking uproar. Imagine if nobody observed a minutes silence for hillsborough [well they would because they have respect]. I observe the minutes silence every year and the people who dont are feckin w*nkers. Liverpool get all this respect but they give none out to anybody else. They say Everton fans are sick for singing songs about Heysel yet they sing songs about the Manc disaster. This is my point, they employ different standards. They try to take the moral high ground and look down and sneer at the so called "lesser clubs" But the fact is they are horrible f*ckin tw*ts. They contradict themselves all the time and think they are better than everyone else. They make me f*ckin sick. They think they have a divine right to win the title and think that teams are scared to play them. They really should open their eyes and get real. They are an average f*ckin team who are light years behind Man utd and Arsenal but they wont have any of it. They live in a fantasy world where liverpool are still the best team. They constantly say they are gonna win the league [but never f*ckin do]. I suppose Mellor will be the last piece of jigsaw eh? and they are only 10 more games from greatness. F*ck off you blind and ignorant b*llends I hate them with a passion. I always think that a part of loving EVERTON is hating Liverpool. They are combined and come as a package deal. I feel that hating Liverpool makes me realise how much I love Everton. I wake up everyday and thank god that I didnt have to support that bunch of flag waving scarf wearing kop sitting kop p*ssing phoney hollow adidas wearing carlsberg drinking f*ckin w*nkers.
So I suppose you could say that I dont care for that club very much.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM
Someone has issue's :D
I take it yer man isn't a Liverpool fan then?! Jesus some red has obviously pissed on his parade at some stage.
Minder is waiting patiently in Eurodisney for the result! Mickey Mouse could be getting a broken nose if things don't go well!
Quote from: pedro on January 19, 2009, 08:22:51 PM
Any streams? Really have to get Setanta :-[
http://atdhe.net/live-tv-2483.html (http://atdhe.net/live-tv-2483.html)
Good lad Gerry. ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 19, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 19, 2009, 06:43:25 PM
An Everton fan posted this on a Liverpool forum I use :D
I think he doesn't like LFC that much :)
Quotehave aired my sentiments regarding this matter before, but I will say it again, I have mates who are kopites, in fact my best mate is one. I go to the derbies and sit next to him home and away. How can you hate someone who is your best mate? The answer is you can't. However I do hate Liverpool F.C. I hate them with a passion I hate the players, the manager, the coach, the stadium, the club shop, the pro-red press, the flags and banners, the scarves and the hats and badges. I hate the colour red, I hate Carls*erg, I hate Re*bok, I hate the kop magazine, I hate Sh*nkly, Pa*sley, Ke*gan, D*lglish, R*sh H*nsen [and anyone else they have ever loved] I hate that f*cking disgusting song and the little orange umper lumper that sings it. I hate their celebrity fans [Cilla, Tarbuck, Boardman and the rest of the gobsh*tes] I hate Cro*n paints, I hate Can*y, I hate their chairman, I hate their board, I hate the way they deal in the transfer market, I hate their past players, I hate their arrogance their delusions of grandeur, their bias account of history, I hate the whole Liverpool machine. I hate what they stand for and what they represent. I f*cking hate them. I hold my breath when I pass the sh*thole, I scribble out the faces of players and managers when I see them, I spit at the echo when it kisses their ars*s, I shout stuff at their fans when I see them and argue with them constantly I snap them when I play footy. Their fans are phoney hollow plastic heartless and emotionless. It just seems like one big hobby to them. They forget their victories after 10 minutes and get over their defeats even quicker. They make me sick. They sit there in their bland sky sports stadium, with no atmosphere. It is full of tourists and foreigners who don't give two f*cks about the club. Sky sports always turn up the volume of their fans when their on Sky [Every f*cking week] Its like a f*cking morgue in reality. They spout on about their full houses and how they can't get a ticket, Heres my advice to them WELL F*CKIN TRY! The truth is that they don't want a ticket [unless it's for the cup final.]They just wont admit that they're not that ars*d about it. If you want a ticket bad enough then you will get one [ I always have] So f*ck off you lying b*stards. Next time one of them says they can't get a ticket tell them that you can get them one. I guarantee 8 or 9 out of ten of them will make up an excuse why they can't go. They block out all the problems of the past and nobody [except us] questions them. They poach players without punishment they tap up anybody who will listen to their putrid rhetoric. They have this perfect image that is as false and nobody bats an eyelid. They cling on to former glories and go on and on and on about their 18 league titles blah blah blah. They know the statistics but know f*ck all about the game "THEIR" club or anything else. People say forget about Heysel. Well that is right, we should because them tw*ts certainly did [about 5 minutes after it happened]. They have no f*cking respect for anyone except themselves, it makes me f*cking sick. Where is the memorial? the minutes silence? Where is there any apology, any regret, any sympathy? nowhere. Imagine if it was the other way around there would be f*cking uproar. Imagine if nobody observed a minutes silence for hillsborough [well they would because they have respect]. I observe the minutes silence every year and the people who dont are feckin w*nkers. Liverpool get all this respect but they give none out to anybody else. They say Everton fans are sick for singing songs about Heysel yet they sing songs about the Manc disaster. This is my point, they employ different standards. They try to take the moral high ground and look down and sneer at the so called "lesser clubs" But the fact is they are horrible f*ckin tw*ts. They contradict themselves all the time and think they are better than everyone else. They make me f*ckin sick. They think they have a divine right to win the title and think that teams are scared to play them. They really should open their eyes and get real. They are an average f*ckin team who are light years behind Man utd and Arsenal but they wont have any of it. They live in a fantasy world where liverpool are still the best team. They constantly say they are gonna win the league [but never f*ckin do]. I suppose Mellor will be the last piece of jigsaw eh? and they are only 10 more games from greatness. F*ck off you blind and ignorant b*llends I hate them with a passion. I always think that a part of loving EVERTON is hating Liverpool. They are combined and come as a package deal. I feel that hating Liverpool makes me realise how much I love Everton. I wake up everyday and thank god that I didnt have to support that bunch of flag waving scarf wearing kop sitting kop p*ssing phoney hollow adidas wearing carlsberg drinking f*ckin w*nkers.
So I suppose you could say that I dont care for that club very much.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM
Someone has issue's :D
I take it yer man isn't a Liverpool fan then?! Jesus some red has obviously pissed on his parade at some stage.
They coined the phrase bitter blue for arseholes like this.
good man gerry had game on iraqgoals then stopped after 6 minutes pissed off!
Thanks Gerry
no probs
Keane getting hauled off by the sounds of it. he's hardly touched the ball in the 2nd half though
whats the pool going to do next week when he goes to jail :D :D :D
Still worrying though - this match was heading for another 0-0 if Gerrard hadn't come up with that.
Everton wouldnt score if they played to this time next week :-\
oooooppppss i was wrong :D :D
Where the f**k was the marking?
Not looking too good.
excellent ;D
Well fcuk that. Was Skrtel marking Cahill and then left him when he went on to the keeper?
arrrrggggg!! Went to sleep on the free kick. Nobody picked up Cahill. Really needed to win that game. Made bad work again not to get the 3 points. Everton will be laughing getting a draw out of that game.
nobody seemed be marking him.he went onto the keeper then came off him when arteta went to take it.reina should possibly have called a defender in to mark him. united wouldnt have dropped points here. getting seriously worried at this stage. is it just me or are all united supporters poison??any bad result you either get a text message or they are on the liverpool thread.
f**king fuckity f**k! >:( >:( >:(
Skrtel let Cahill go but it was a savage ball in by Arteta and even if Cahill didn't get it it could have went anywhere. If ye want to blame anyone blame Benayoun for giving away a free-kick in such a dangerous spot. Keane will be back on the bench for a while after that display
Its definitely looking unlikely for Liverpool now. Stupid tackle by Benayoun followed by a free header on the six yard line, after struggling the entire game to create a single decent chance. United certainly wouldn't have blown that lead tonight. Let's just hope that Torres gets his fitness and sharpness back as quickly as possible and that they somehow manage to stay in close enough touch to go to Old Trafford with some chance of staying in it. They're just too easy to defend against though - did a Liverpool player win a single header in the Everton box tonight? No threat whatsoever if Gerrard and Torres don't deliver.
If Riera had attacked the ball with even half of the effort that Cahill did he would have flicked it away.
Poor also by Benayoun, was a clear foul.
Liverpool didn't have another shot on gaol after Gerrard's goal.
thats what you get for trying to defend a 1 goal lead for 20 minutes.
1-0 up and Benitez takes Torres off. Unless he was struggling badly he needed to stay on the pitch with the scoreline like that. Any coincidence that Liverpool concede a goal with Lucas and Benayoun on the pitch. Benitez too cautious again in taking his strikers off?
Keane was anonymous tonight...did he do anything constructive when he was on the pitch?
Look at the results from the weekend, Aresnal, Villa, Chavki and the Scum all get winners in he last ten minutes. We surrender the lead in the last 10, thats the difference in first and second.
I don't think the Torres substitution had much to do with it at all. He was only gone for the last five minutes and his absence had no impact on the goal. It was a stupid tackle and terrible defending, end of story. The fact that they created f**k all in the rest of the game left them vulnerable to such a f**k up, but Torres was on for 85 minutes and Keane didn't even touch the ball.
Howard Webb- the self proclaimed best referee in the world ::)
Quote from: Armamike on January 19, 2009, 10:16:43 PM
1-0 up and Benitez takes Torres off.
I think they were worried about his fitness as he hasn't played a full game yet since coming back. Probably thought they would see the game out without him. Commentators said he gave them the thumbs up though so he probably wanted to carry on.
Benny and Lucas were bought on and all they did was give away free-kicks. Lucas gave one away about 10 seconds after coming on. Why was he on ahead of Mascherano anyway? Just conceded too many silly free-kicks allowing Everton to lump balls into our penalty area.
Not sure what happened with Cahill. Sami seemed to be pointing at him for someone to pick him up and Skrtel was nearest him but didn't follow him. Not sure if Skrtel was keeping an eye on someone else or what?
Completely went into our shells after going ahead and let Everton have the ball when for the 30 minutes before that they couldn't get it off us.
Keane barely had a touch all night. Kuyt not much better. Gerrard had a quiet first half but again came up with some magic in the second half. Torres played well but not quite match sharp yet. Thought we looked a bit wobbly at the back though. Skrtel was unusually indecisive and Carra playing right-full is not ideal.
Howard Webb was very poor. If that is the best ref they have they are in trouble.
Only seen second half was he poor to both teams or just liverpool?? didnt think he was to bad
this stupid zonal marking was the cause of the goal, skertle looked at cahill at least twice before the free came in, he stayed were he wwas and let cahill go.
silly free to give away in the first place. to many draws at home and thats what will be the difference come may.
Plus Craig Burley must be the most annoying commentator working in television today.
Zonal marking doesn't mean you just stand there and let someone have two yards of space in front of goal!
Now that Liverpool have started to slip I wonder where they will end up? Need to get out of the draw habit or could fall out of the top 4 very quick :o
As much as i'd like to see Liverpool win it (if Arsenal can't), there's something cowardly about Benitez's tactics that ruins title ambitions (esp at home) but often works in Europe.
I bet he wished he'd never opened his mouth a couple of weeks ago.
Torres faded a bit near the end but i just think you had the other team a bit of momentum when you take your most dangerous forward off
Benayoun was a disaster, gave away 2 frees out on that wing, hes a fuckin waste of space
I'd say we'll be seeing that boom-bust graph whipped out any day now by our resident gloaters!
not a Liverpool fan, nor a united one either for that matter, but i would just like to add my tuppenceworth.
rafa may quit the mind games, the only one who could compete with fergie in this aspect was Mourinho.
If Martin O'Neill or David Moyes was in charge of that Liverpool team they would win the league. The reason being is if all players at Villa and Everton were 100% fit, Moyes and O'Neill would still play the best XI week in week out, none of this rotation shit.
Dirk Kuyt continually plays 90 minutes and the man is useless. Full Stop.
Gave up on Kuyt long time ago!!
Benayouns tackle was pub league stuff , surely now Rafa can see he needs someone on the right, maybe its time to move Gerrard out wide and pair Masch and Alonso in the middle!
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on January 20, 2009, 12:37:39 AM
not a Liverpool fan, nor a united one either for that matter, but i would just like to add my tuppenceworth.
rafa may quit the mind games, the only one who could compete with fergie in this aspect was Mourinho.
If Martin O'Neill or David Moyes was in charge of that Liverpool team they would win the league. The reason being is if all players at Villa and Everton were 100% fit, Moyes and O'Neill would still play the best XI week in week out, none of this rotation shit.
Dirk Kuyt continually plays 90 minutes and the man is useless. Full Stop.
This is an assertion based on the assumption that Liverpool's first choice 11 are the best in the league. Even most Liverpool supporters would struggle to agree with this I'd imagine.
I put this two points lost firmly down to Benitez.
Some people blaming Benny. Poor chap doing his very best. The idiot manager had him playing right back for the last 10 minutes. He made 4 tackles in that position, won 2 and gave away 2 free kicks. That's far better than I thought he'd do. He's a light attacking player for chrissakes. Why play him that deep and push Carragher inside a bit, I do not know. But if you make that decision, then Kuyt was the man to put at right back, not feckin Benny. Or better still how about taking Dirk useless hole off (I thought he was worse than Keane) and bring on the right back who's sitting on the bench (Arbeloa) ??
I thought it was the right decision to take a tired Torres off, but when I saw Lucas coming on I knew we were gone. Bringing on Lucas meant we were inviting pressure, bringing on Babel would have been relieving pressure. The one thing Babel is consistently good at is playing up top when we're ahead, he's a super outlet. And when Benitez decided to be negative and be scared, why the hell he decided on Lucas ahead of Mascho is pure mystery!!
Great free kick by Arteta. Alonso had literally run rings around him for 90 minutes, but he came up trumps there. Defensively I would blame Reina and Riera most as the two who could have done more to stop it. But the execution did make it difficult to defend.
Another tepid display from the scousers
2 brutal displays from Rafa's outburst, perhaps its unfair to blame his ranting & raving more logical to blame his selection & substitutes
it was always on the cards that we would not get the 3 pts last night. over the past 2 or 3 seasons we have to admit that we've sneaked some lucky wins against everton, i always felt it could come back to haunt us when the pts were most needed.
also in a way the results of the past 2 or weeks are maybe a good thing....we were going too well up until end of '08, i'm happy enough to take a quiet january and now hopefully with everyone coming back we can go on now and start winning again, get a wee run together.
Some shit posted on this thread, I'll post in full later. Yous are unbelievable at times.
The last thing you need on a title run-in is a glass chin and a soft underbelly. It appears Liverpool might just have both.
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:04:03 AM
Some shit posted on this thread, I'll post in full later. Yous are unbelievable at times.
So Rafa didn't f**k up last night corn?
Shambles of a man who has to be taking account for what happend last night.
Riera should have been off after 60 minutes. Wasn't fit to pass a ball and didn't create anything. Alonso was Liverpools main man last night. Why play Hypia where he is obviously too slow for the game now!
Why not bring on Babel instead of that idiot Lucas and at least hit Everton on the break.
Everton deserved everything they got last night and probably even a win.
Pool just not good enough!
For a start the Kuyt issue, will yous go away and wise yourselves up. He has been one of Liverpool's best players this season, if you can't see that you are blind. Work resulted in me only seeing the last 20 last night, and although he may have been dung in the first 70, he was excellent in the last 20 - i lost track of how many balls he blocked or intercepted. Going by rounds of appluase from the crowd, he was without doubt the highest recipient in the last 20. Statement like "I gave up on him long time ago" and "how does he play" just shows a complete lack of fotballing knowledge.
So far th is thread has blamed Kuyt, zonal marking, going back into their shell and Rafa being happy with par.
The Kuyt issue I addressed above.
2- zonal marking -. Firstly, forget what Andy Gray says, Liverpool do not play zonal marking. They play a mixture of zonal and man marking. 14 goals conceded this season, only United and Arsenal have a better defensive record. I can only remeber 12 of the goals conceded and only 2 were a result of set-pices (Everton and Newcastle). Last night was the result of a great Cahill run, superb delivery and poor marking frm Skrtl - to play zonal marking is laughable.
3 - going back into their shell - Can anyone give me another example when we have went back into our shell? Do you think Ferguson would have went for a second with four minutes to go at home to City, he would have held out for a 1-0 at that stage.
We have dropped points in nine games this season and the only realistic example of us being too negative and dropping into our shell has been Villa and Stoke away.
The other seven games have been Everton (last night), Stoke home (constant attack - same for Hull, Fulham and West Ham. Spurs - chased a game to extend our lead and got sucker-punched. Arsenal - perhaps a bit negative with 10 men, but Arsenal raised their game significantly.
You look at United against Middlesboro and Wigan, and to an extent Hull, and they have protected a lead just as much as we have this season.
4 - Rafa happy with draws - Benitez goes to win every game. He righlt points out that a dpoint is better than a defeat, but he is always looking three.
Are we choking? No we are not, we are playing poorly. Chokinbg is a get-out clause there.
We haven't performed much better than we did last season, just happens United and Chelsea are in the same boat. Wigan, Boro and City are all examples were we could have dropped more points. Hull I suppose also. We haven't the squad a t momet. Lucan and Yossi are decent players and I defend them on here, but would be diluded to think they can have the same impact as Tevez and Scholes coming off the bench.
Most said on this thread that we would be hapy to be near the leaders at the end of the season, we are still level on points and have a similar schedule to United. We just have to respond.
Quote from: Off The Fence on January 20, 2009, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:04:03 AM
Some shit posted on this thread, I'll post in full later. Yous are unbelievable at times.
So Rafa didn't f**k up last night corn?
Shambles of a man who has to be taking account for what happend last night.
Riera should have been off after 60 minutes. Wasn't fit to pass a ball and didn't create anything. Alonso was Liverpools main man last night. Why play Hypia where he is obviously too slow for the game now!
Why not bring on Babel instead of that idiot Lucas and at least hit Everton on the break.
Everton deserved everything they got last night and probably even a win.
Pool just not good enough!
Sorry, what? Can you point were he "fucked uop". Taking on a midfielder for a striker and pushing another mdifielder up when defending a 1-goal lead with four minutes to go, thats pretty basic in the manegerial formbook in games like this.
Reira had one of our best efforts on the night for a start. Hyypia has been superb this season, and suits these combative games. Why Babel? He has done nothing this year.
Quote from: Abble on January 20, 2009, 08:34:27 AM
it was always on the cards that we would not get the 3 pts last night. over the past 2 or 3 seasons we have to admit that we've sneaked some lucky wins against everton, i always felt it could come back to haunt us when the pts were most needed.
also in a way the results of the past 2 or weeks are maybe a good thing....we were going too well up until end of '08, i'm happy enough to take a quiet january and now hopefully with everyone coming back we can go on now and start winning again, get a wee run together.
Are you Rafa in disguise?
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:26:52 AM
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Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:04:03 AM
Some shit posted on this thread, I'll post in full later. Yous are unbelievable at times.
So Rafa didn't f**k up last night corn?
Shambles of a man who has to be taking account for what happend last night.
Riera should have been off after 60 minutes. Wasn't fit to pass a ball and didn't create anything. Alonso was Liverpools main man last night. Why play Hypia where he is obviously too slow for the game now!
Why not bring on Babel instead of that idiot Lucas and at least hit Everton on the break.
Everton deserved everything they got last night and probably even a win.
Pool just not good enough!
Sorry, what? Can you point were he "fucked uop". Taking on a midfielder for a striker and pushing another mdifielder up when defending a 1-goal lead with four minutes to go, thats pretty basic in the manegerial formbook in games like this.
Reira had one of our best efforts on the night for a start. Hyypia has been superb this season, and suits these combative games. Why Babel? He has done nothing this year.
How many home games is that now Liverpool have Corn? Babel hasn't been giving the chance to do anything this year. As a friend said to me watching the game last night, Man United and Chelsea and win close games at late stages, Liverpool cant and I believe that is the difference between winning and losing it. Whats a combative game BTW?
Quote from: EC Unique on January 20, 2009, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: Abble on January 20, 2009, 08:34:27 AM
it was always on the cards that we would not get the 3 pts last night. over the past 2 or 3 seasons we have to admit that we've sneaked some lucky wins against everton, i always felt it could come back to haunt us when the pts were most needed.
also in a way the results of the past 2 or weeks are maybe a good thing....we were going too well up until end of '08, i'm happy enough to take a quiet january and now hopefully with everyone coming back we can go on now and start winning again, get a wee run together.
Are you Rafa in disguise?
No Corn is! :L
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2009, 10:43:32 PM
As much as i'd like to see Liverpool win it (if Arsenal can't), there's something cowardly about Benitez's tactics that ruins title ambitions (esp at home) but often works in Europe.
I bet he wished he'd never opened his mouth a couple of weeks ago.
I agree with that O'Neill. I think Liverpool got what we deserved last night. It was a poor enough Everton team, but Liverpool really struggled to break them down. Having got the great goal from nowhere by Gerrard, to retreat into a shell and let Everton come onto them was shocking to look at. Did anyone watching the game feel at any stage that Liverpool were safe? I certainly didn't. I turned the channel when Everton got that free kick because I knew they'd score from it.
Once again Liverpool end the game with Benayoun, Lucas and Kuyt on the field. Madness.
When Torres was coming off, why not have Ngog to come on, or someone that would play up front, and keep the shape of the team as it was. Bringing on Lucas was a complete signal to Everton that Liverpool were going to try and hang on.
There's an old saying 'Never give a sucker an even break', and that's what Liverpool did.
They'll want to snap out of it fairly soon, but perhaps the pressure might be off a little bit now, as they are chasing United instead of the other way around. However, I think that, as I said about a month ago or more, this May Liverpool fans are going to be sick that a very winnable title has been thrown away by ridiculous formations, and selections, and lack of ambition against teams Liverpool should be taking apart at Anfield.
No less than Liverpool deserved last night.
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:24:57 AM
Do you think Ferguson would have went for a second with four minutes to go at home to City, he would have held out for a 1-0 at that stage.
4 - Rafa happy with draws - Benitez goes to win every game. He righlt points out that a point is better than a defeat, but he is always looking three.
The 2 highlighted points:
Utd
would have held on to the victory. End of
That is the problem with Rafa. Any numpty can tell you a point is better than none but he never gambles
You wont win the league with 38 draws
In order to be champions, you have to throw caution to the wind & get lucky
Rafa doesnt do this, therefore the scousers normally dont get the rub of the green
You can close out a game more than one way, and the worst way of trying to do that is to change your formation, sit back and invite the opposition on to you. The best way to close the game out when you are one up is to have your midfield keep possession of the ball, and keep playing the game in the oppositions half. That is what United would do Corn. That is what all really good sides do, especially when you are playing an inferior one.
I actually thought Kuyt was alright last night, I wouldn't put any of the blame on him, but one of the other lads made a salient point that demonstrates the lunacy of the approach in the last 5 minutes or so. What in the name of Jaysus was a light, pseduo attacking player doing in the right back position, from a standard move by Everton, trying to dispossess their centre forward? It just defies belief.
Everton had nothing on the bench. Liverpool should have ran them ragged!
Quote from: hardstation on January 19, 2009, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on January 19, 2009, 10:08:52 PM
If Riera had attacked the ball with even half of the effort that Cahill did he would have flicked it away.
Poor also by Benayoun, was a clear foul.
Liverpool didn't have another shot on gaol after Gerrard's goal.
Tell me you meant that! :D
A slip, or pure genius? That's the funniest thing I have read here in a long time. ;D
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2009, 09:43:14 AM
You can close out a game more than one way, and the worst way of trying to do that is to change your formation, sit back and invite the opposition on to you. The best way to close the game out when you are one up is to have your midfield keep possession of the ball, and keep playing the game in the oppositions half. That is what United would do Corn. That is what all really good sides do, especially when you are playing an inferior one.
I actually thought Kuyt was alright last night, I wouldn't put any of the blame on him, but one of the other lads made a salient point that demonstrates the lunacy of the approach in the last 5 minutes or so. What in the name of Jaysus was a light, pseduo attacking player doing in the right back position, from a standard move by Everton, trying to dispossess their centre forward? It just defies belief.
That is exactly right. United just don't let the other team have the ball which is the best form of defence. There are exceptions but that's the way they try to do it.
Villa are only 3 points behind Liverpool with the same number of games played and Arsenal for all their troubles are only 6 behind. Last night was a bad result but its the Fulham, Stoke etc results that meant puts the pressure on to get a win in a tough fixture like Everton.
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:24:57 AM
The other seven games have been Everton (last night), Stoke home (constant attack - same for Hull, Fulham and West Ham. Spurs - chased a game to extend our lead and got sucker-punched. Arsenal - perhaps a bit negative with 10 men, but Arsenal raised their game significantly.
Ah come on corn, if Liverpool let themselves get put under 'constant attack' by the like stoke, hull, fulham and west ham then they have to ask serious questions about their credentials. They should be putting these teams to the sword nine times out of ten.
luder, Corn means that Liverpool attacked constantly against those teams. They may have, but formations and selection in those games meant that it was all sledgehammer and no rapier.
Apologies, picked it up wrong!
Have to say that bluenose goal last night was like a dagger to the heart.
Still can't bear to turn on the tv or look up teletext incase I am reminded of last night.
Corn you got to get over Kuyt, he is not near the standard thats needed to win a premiership! Hes shit and so is Benayoun. Sunderland or Stoke will be happy with a hard grafter like him! Do you honestly think he would get near either United Chelsea or Arsenal teams? ........ i dont!
Horrible result yesterday, again showing without Gerrard and Torres they have no outlet for goals. IMO think its very important to try get a right sided midfielder, our options at present: Kuyt, Benayoun,or 'Real' Pennent ............ says it all!
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Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2009, 12:07:53 PM
Corn you got to get over Kuyt, he is not near the standard thats needed to win a premiership! Hes shit and so is Benayoun. Sunderland or Stoke will be happy with a hard grafter like him! Do you honestly think he would get near either United Chelsea or Arsenal teams? ........ i dont!
Horrible result yesterday, again showing without Gerrard and Torres they have no outlet for goals. IMO think its very important to try get a right sided midfielder, our options at present: Kuyt, Benayoun,or 'Real' Pennent ............ says it all!
He is shit? That sums it up for you then, utter bollix statement.
Do I think he would get on them teams? Maybe not every match but certainly a lot of them. Would you rather have Nani or Kuyt?
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 12:38:46 PM
Do I think he would get on them teams? Maybe not every match but certainly a lot of them. Would you rather have Nani or Kuyt?
Nani is completely sh1te
It would be a close call between Kuyt & Nani if I was picking the squad
How many premiership matches does Nani start...
havent had time to post on here for a while. Now I appreciate what kuyt brings to the team. But the fact that he is 1 of only 3 Liverpool players to start every single PL game this season, speaks volumes for me. The other 2 players being reina and carragher.
Does anyone think the likes of park, nani or fletcher would start 22 successive PL games for man united???
Now to be fair to Kuyt, he's a striker doing his best as a winger and doesnt complain about it. And also, the competition on the right wing aint anything to write home about. But Rafa can only have himself to blame for that little problem.
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 20, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
havent had time to post on here for a while. Now I appreciate what kuyt brings to the team. But the fact that he is 1 of only 3 Liverpool players to start every single PL game this season, speaks volumes for me. The other 2 players being reina and carragher.
Does anyone think the likes of park, nani or fletcher would start 22 successive PL games for man united???
Now to be fair to Kuyt, he's a striker doing his best as a winger and doesnt complain about it. And also, the competition on the right wing aint anything to write home about. But Rafa can only have himself to blame for that little problem.
Really? If you have been following the Benitez contract saga, you would see the stumbling block is Rafa having autonomy over transfers, something which he does not have at the minute. So how can he be to blame?
I would be more worried about Keane to be honest right now. He barely touched the ball last night. Was completely anonymous and he's getting slaughtered on the forums today because of it. Granted the service wasn't great to the front two but Torres still had a good game bar the miss in the first half. I know Keane is in and out of the team but when he gets a chance to play he has to take it and last night he was nowhere to be seen.
Kuyt didn't have a good game but in true Dirk style still worked hard and put himself about. After a good start to the season though he's been pretty poor the last month or so. A decent squad player but that would be it in an ideal world.
In hindsight we would probably have been better served keeping Crouch and spending the money we spent on Keane on a proper right winger.
Quote from: Stalin on January 20, 2009, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 20, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
havent had time to post on here for a while. Now I appreciate what kuyt brings to the team. But the fact that he is 1 of only 3 Liverpool players to start every single PL game this season, speaks volumes for me. The other 2 players being reina and carragher.
Does anyone think the likes of park, nani or fletcher would start 22 successive PL games for man united???
Now to be fair to Kuyt, he's a striker doing his best as a winger and doesnt complain about it. And also, the competition on the right wing aint anything to write home about. But Rafa can only have himself to blame for that little problem.
Really? If you have been following the Benitez contract saga, you would see the stumbling block is Rafa having autonomy over transfers, something which he does not have at the minute. So how can he be to blame?
he's spent over 30m on wing men (40m if you include kuyt), and we still dont have a decent right sided midfielder. Now i do think Rick Parry is a terrible chief exec espec when it comes to transfer dealings, but surely Rafa must shoulder some of the blame for the right sided problem. He mightnt have autonomy when it comes to transfers, but surely he has a significant input!!
by the way, i would be in the pro Rafa camp, but I am just pointing out some of the mistakes I think he's made.
Sure ye're 80% there...
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 20, 2009, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: Stalin on January 20, 2009, 01:16:34 PM
Quote from: stevo-08 on January 20, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
havent had time to post on here for a while. Now I appreciate what kuyt brings to the team. But the fact that he is 1 of only 3 Liverpool players to start every single PL game this season, speaks volumes for me. The other 2 players being reina and carragher.
Does anyone think the likes of park, nani or fletcher would start 22 successive PL games for man united???
Now to be fair to Kuyt, he's a striker doing his best as a winger and doesnt complain about it. And also, the competition on the right wing aint anything to write home about. But Rafa can only have himself to blame for that little problem.
Really? If you have been following the Benitez contract saga, you would see the stumbling block is Rafa having autonomy over transfers, something which he does not have at the minute. So how can he be to blame?
he's spent over 30m on wing men (40m if you include kuyt), and we still dont have a decent right sided midfielder. Now i do think Rick Parry is a terrible chief exec espec when it comes to transfer dealings, but surely Rafa must shoulder some of the blame for the right sided problem. He mightnt have autonomy when it comes to transfers, but surely he has a significant input!!
by the way, i would be in the pro Rafa camp, but I am just pointing out some of the mistakes I think he's made.
40 million? What is that Kuyt, Pennant, Reira, Babel, anyone else?
Of course when Rafa wanted Simao, he wasn't given the funds and had to make do with Pennant.
I don't like Kuyt starting every game. In games at home to the likes of Stoke, West Bom and other relegation candidates, I would prefer speed over work rate because, in reality, we won't need a grafter because we are on the front foot 90% of the game. In any other match, he is a neccisity and nobody will convince me otherwise. He has had a very good year, goals have dired up as of late and he needs to get back to that, but he was brilliant against Newcastle.
He will never have many admirers, and many just follow the trend, but he will prove you wrong.
Unfortunately having Kuyt as a right sided midfielder and Carra behind him at right-full is a recipe for disaster. Neither can go past people. Neither have any pace. Granted Carra is just filling in there at present but as a pair they present no threat whatsoever down the entire right side. Arbeloa although not brilliant will at least get up and down the wing from full-back and give an outlet to Dirk. You might get away with one of Kuyt and Carra on the right hand side but both of them together just gives you very little going forward.
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
40 million? What is that Kuyt, Pennant, Reira, Babel, anyone else?
Of course when Rafa wanted Simao, he wasn't given the funds and had to make do with Pennant.
I don't like Kuyt starting every game. In games at home to the likes of Stoke, West Bom and other relegation candidates, I would prefer speed over work rate because, in reality, we won't need a grafter because we are on the front foot 90% of the game. In any other match, he is a neccisity and nobody will convince me otherwise. He has had a very good year, goals have dired up as of late and he needs to get back to that, but he was brilliant against Newcastle.
He will never have many admirers, and many just follow the trend, but he will prove you wrong.
pennant 7m, benny 5m, kuyt 9m, babel 11m, riera 8m = 40m. some figures probably not right there but it's close enough.
anyway, it's getting away from the original point i was making. i do like kuyt and think he offers alot to the team. and if some of our other "stars" had his workrate and attitude, we'd be going places. but i honestly didnt think kuyt would start as many PL games this season as he has done. perfectly suited to tough away fixtures where alot of defensive work is required, but certainly not the answer when trying to unlock average teams at anfield.
Ok maybe hes not shit, but this last few games he has really bugged me with his play!
Just seems like we are so close to getting there, but Kuyt, Benayoun and Lucas just are not good enough to get us over the finish line!
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Yes very good. Been posted already.
I was asked by an un-named source to post it.
Quote from: ziggysego on January 20, 2009, 09:05:47 PM
I was asked by an un-named source to post it.
Fergie was it? ;D
What part of un-named do you not understand? :P
Quote from: gawa316 on January 20, 2009, 12:06:04 PM
Have to say that bluenose goal last night was like a dagger to the heart.
Still can't bear to turn on the tv or look up teletext incase I am reminded of last night.
Same here..Actually only reading this thread for first time since game as I just knew there be fighting and slagging carry on :(
Didn't think it was a great performance from the Pool, being really honest they probably didn't deserve the 3 points..
Maybe it has been mentioned but does anyone else think Reina is dropping a lot of balls lately ?
Quote from: ziggysego on January 20, 2009, 09:12:19 PM
What part of un-named do you not understand? :P
Can you even name the people in the photo?
Quote from: hardstation on January 20, 2009, 09:13:05 PM
Are you trying to pass off someone elses work as your own again?
No :p
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 20, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on January 20, 2009, 09:12:19 PM
What part of un-named do you not understand? :P
Can you even name the people in the photo?
Rooney is one and I think Ferguson is the other. The other guy, is he the Liverpool manager? Can't remember his name.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 20, 2009, 09:13:41 PMMaybe it has been mentioned but does anyone else think Reina is dropping a lot of balls lately ?
Reina has always been kind of dodgy on crosses
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:24:57 AM
2- zonal marking -. Firstly, forget what Andy Gray says, Liverpool do not play zonal marking. They play a mixture of zonal and man marking.
Anyone else snigger at this?
Quote from: ONeill on January 20, 2009, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 20, 2009, 09:24:57 AM
2- zonal marking -. Firstly, forget what Andy Gray says, Liverpool do not play zonal marking. They play a mixture of zonal and man marking.
Anyone else snigger at this?
Why would you snigger?
Regardless of whether Benitez is too cautious (imo he was again last night in taking off a couple of strikers for midfielders and removing the one player - Torres - that Everton were petrified of) or whether he uses the right formations at times, it will be a lack of quality that will continue to cost Liverpool points. How many of us at the start of the season really believed that Liverpool could win the title with players like Benayoun, Lucas, (Kuyt - sorry Corn), Aurelio, Arbeloa in the team? I've been scratching my head the past couple of months wondering how we've actually managed to top the league. It was that lack of quality that cost us last night. Just not enough chances created and a poor piece of defending leading up the free kick and then on the free kick itself. There just are a few too many players there who are not title winning material imho and that will continue to cost the team points as the season goes on.
Quote from: hardstation on January 20, 2009, 11:25:14 PM
I think he finds it funny/strange that you state that Liverpool don't play zonal marking but they do a bit.
Then again, I don't know a f**k.
Yes, that is why I said a mixture. Zonal marking involves defending players beeing stationed at various positions while man-marking is obvious. Raf deploys four or five to zones and the rest man mark accordingly. I would imagine Liverppol have either the best or second best defensive record to set pieces this year.
Very effective if people keep their role, if players do not do their job it is costly = Torres v United last season.
It's like saying I don't eat chips. I eat chips and eel.
Liverpool zonal mark. It's a massive part of their defensive set-up.
Whether it's zonal marking or not, for the very most part it works week in week out. Last night excepted though when someone decided not to keep close tabs on Everton's most dangerous player in the box.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 20, 2009, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 20, 2009, 09:13:41 PMMaybe it has been mentioned but does anyone else think Reina is dropping a lot of balls lately ?
Reina has always been kind of dodgy on crosses
He has probably been dropping a few more recently. He's better than he's ever been when it comes to shot stopping though. Plus I love the way he's so keen to get attacks going. Never lets anyone fall asleep.
He wasn't good for the Everton goal. Cahill's header went right into the middle of the goals, and he was nowhere near.
10 consecutive games without a goal for Kuyt. 6 as striker, 4 as right midfielder.
Quote from: ONeill on January 20, 2009, 11:48:48 PM
It's like saying I don't eat chips. I eat chips and eel.
Liverpool zonal mark. It's a massive part of their defensive set-up.
Yes that is why I say they use a mixture, so I still don;t understand the snigger?
Quote from: Hound on January 21, 2009, 08:44:05 AM
10 consecutive games without a goal for Kuyt. 6 as striker, 4 as right midfielder.
According to BBC's rumour page Italian media saying that Juve are in for the Diggler this summer. £10m.
Quote from: Chrisowc on January 21, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: Hound on January 21, 2009, 08:44:05 AM
10 consecutive games without a goal for Kuyt. 6 as striker, 4 as right midfielder.
According to BBC's rumour page Italian media saying that Juve are in for the Diggler this summer. £10m.
No chance.
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I would be more worried about Keane to be honest right now. He barely touched the ball last night. Was completely anonymous and he's getting slaughtered on the forums today because of it. Granted the service wasn't great to the front two but Torres still had a good game bar the miss in the first half. I know Keane is in and out of the team but when he gets a chance to play he has to take it and last night he was nowhere to be seen.
Kuyt didn't have a good game but in true Dirk style still worked hard and put himself about. After a good start to the season though he's been pretty poor the last month or so. A decent squad player but that would be it in an ideal world.
In hindsight we would probably have been better served keeping Crouch and spending the money we spent on Keane on a proper right winger.
Really? If you have been following the Benitez contract saga, you would see the stumbling block is Rafa having autonomy over transfers, something which he does not have at the minute.
So how can he be to blame?[/quote]
he's spent over 30m on wing men (40m if you include kuyt), and we still dont have a decent right sided midfielder. Now i do think Rick Parry is a terrible chief exec espec when it comes to transfer dealings, but surely Rafa must shoulder some of the blame for the right sided problem. He mightnt have autonomy when it comes to transfers, but surely he has a significant input!!
by the way, i would be in the pro Rafa camp, but I am just pointing out some of the mistakes I think he's made.
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Don't disagree with either. Certainly an attacking full back could take advantage of the space Kuyt creates. And, as I said, I would rather have Ypissi or Babel starting at home to Stoke etc.
QuoteCertainly an attacking full back could take advantage of the space Kuyt creates.
Again with that?? :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2009, 01:50:14 PM
QuoteCertainly an attacking full back could take advantage of the space Kuyt creates.
Again with that?? :D
quoted wrong Stevo-08 post again. Opps.
Ah yes, AZ that old argument. We'll not get back at it. :P
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Rafa-last day of the season!!! :D
Quote from: Final Whistle on January 21, 2009, 03:17:51 PM
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Rafa-last day of the season!!! :D
Tumbleweeeeeeed......
Big game for uses again on sunday. cant lose or it looks like another season with no trophies. I expect Madrid to win easy. Everyone knew yous would drop points in the league but not this soon after christmas. Rafa out at the end of the season.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 21, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
Big game for uses again on sunday. cant lose or it looks like another season with no trophies. I expect Madrid to win easy. Everyone knew yous would drop points in the league but not this soon after christmas. Rafa out at the end of the season.
Another Tumbleweed.....
There will be plenty of tumbleweeds about this thread for the rest of this season I think...
QuoteThere will be plenty of tumbleweeds about this thread for the rest of this season I think...
That's one thing that won't happen anyway. Win lose or draw there's always a pile of posts on this thread, and if Rafa implodes, it could reach critical mass on here :D
Was in Paris for a few days there at Disneyland so didnt see any of the match. My mate was textin me updates, when it stayed 1-0 without any further correspondence from him i got a bad feeling, but the hammer blow came from another mate, a Rangers/Glentoran supporting Liverpool hating bollocks text me saying how good a player Tim Cahill was. I worked the rest out myself, it was fuckin gutting but not totally unexpected. As AZ said earlier we are going to be sitting in May/June after finishing 2nd or 3rd saying "If, if, if". We have had our chances over the last 6 weeks to get 5-8 points clear and didnt take it. We will not get those chances again.
Minder you are getting a bit sensible!
Are you sure it was Disneyland & not Lourdes you went to minder?
Changed man
Quote from: full back on January 22, 2009, 08:35:43 AM
Are you sure it was Disneyland & not Lourdes you went to minder?
Changed man
Give me time.
Reports from Italy, has to be a joke
Juventus are ready to launch a £28m bid for Dirk Kuyt, according to frankly unbelievable reports in Italy.
Il Corriere Dello Sport claims that negotiations will begin next week as Juventus seek a replacement for Pavel Nedved.
The Czech star's agent Mino Raiola has told Juve that he will not accept a pay-as-you-play deal so the Old Lady have apparently turned to Kuyt instead.
Any bid would inevitably test the relationship between Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez and the club's American owners as Kuyt is clearly one of Benitez's favourite players.
Quote from: full back on January 22, 2009, 12:24:34 PM
Reports from Italy, has to be a joke
Juventus are ready to launch a £28m bid for Dirk Kuyt, according to frankly unbelievable reports in Italy.
Il Corriere Dello Sport claims that negotiations will begin next week as Juventus seek a replacement for Pavel Nedved.
The Czech star's agent Mino Raiola has told Juve that he will not accept a pay-as-you-play deal so the Old Lady have apparently turned to Kuyt instead.
Any bid would inevitably test the relationship between Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez and the club's American owners as Kuyt is clearly one of Benitez's favourite players.
Hmmm for £28 million I'd near even sell him.
Source, obviously a load of shit.
Quote from: full back on January 22, 2009, 12:24:34 PM
Reports from Italy, has to be a joke
Juventus are ready to launch a £28m bid for Dirk Kuyt, according to frankly unbelievable reports in Italy.
Il Corriere Dello Sport claims that negotiations will begin next week as Juventus seek a replacement for Pavel Nedved.
The Czech star's agent Mino Raiola has told Juve that he will not accept a pay-as-you-play deal so the Old Lady have apparently turned to Kuyt instead.
Any bid would inevitably test the relationship between Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez and the club's American owners as Kuyt is clearly one of Benitez's favourite players.
£28mill :o :o
I hope that true! 28mill would buy a fairly decent right winger
He is worth every single penny of it :P Even at a third of that price I would snap the hand of anyone for Diggler.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
He is worth every single penny of it :P Even at a third of that price I would snap the hand of anyone for Diggler.
You think he is only worth £9 million in today's market?
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2009, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
He is worth every single penny of it :P Even at a third of that price I would snap the hand of anyone for Diggler.
You think he is only worth £9 million in today's market?
He is expensive at that corn
Quote from: full back on January 22, 2009, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2009, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
He is worth every single penny of it :P Even at a third of that price I would snap the hand of anyone for Diggler.
You think he is only worth £9 million in today's market?
He is expensive at that corn
Bullshit.
When Ferguson signs duds like Nani for 12 and is signing unknown Serbs for about 8 or 9. Once again Kuyt undervalued.
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2009, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
He is worth every single penny of it :P Even at a third of that price I would snap the hand of anyone for Diggler.
You think he is only worth £9 million in today's market?
Would you say au revoir to him for 28mill?
Kuyt isn't worth 5 million
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 22, 2009, 12:58:06 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 22, 2009, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 22, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
He is worth every single penny of it :P Even at a third of that price I would snap the hand of anyone for Diggler.
You think he is only worth £9 million in today's market?
Would you say au revoir to him for 28mill?
Certainly. Twice what I would value him at.
even nani is better than him
I imagine we would get a decent fee for Kuyt to be honest if we sold him. An established Dutch international who's had regular champions league football while at Liverpool (and a decent scoring record in Europe too). Liverpool would certainly get their money back anyway.
no - I just started this thread and post in it for the craic ::)
good for you
Quote from: full back on January 22, 2009, 12:24:34 PM
Reports from Italy, has to be a joke
Juventus are ready to launch a £28m bid for Dirk Kuyt, according to frankly unbelievable reports in Italy.
Il Corriere Dello Sport claims that negotiations will begin next week as Juventus seek a replacement for Pavel Nedved.
The Czech star's agent Mino Raiola has told Juve that he will not accept a pay-as-you-play deal so the Old Lady have apparently turned to Kuyt instead.
Any bid would inevitably test the relationship between Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez and the club's American owners as Kuyt is clearly one of Benitez's favourite players.
corn i know you have did a bit of journalist work in the past but i never knew you worked for a top italian tabloid!!
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 22, 2009, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: full back on January 22, 2009, 12:24:34 PM
Reports from Italy, has to be a joke
Juventus are ready to launch a £28m bid for Dirk Kuyt, according to frankly unbelievable reports in Italy.
Il Corriere Dello Sport claims that negotiations will begin next week as Juventus seek a replacement for Pavel Nedved.
The Czech star's agent Mino Raiola has told Juve that he will not accept a pay-as-you-play deal so the Old Lady have apparently turned to Kuyt instead.
Any bid would inevitably test the relationship between Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez and the club's American owners as Kuyt is clearly one of Benitez's favourite players.
corn i know you have did a bit of journalist work in the past but i never knew you worked for a top italian tabloid!!
;D
your definately going up in the world.lol
I would of had it at 50 million.
You just know if Dirk Kuyt worked on a buliding site he'd be the hard-grafting labourer type.
And he'd be paid as a brickie, but would be away mixing mortar for hours on end, diverting attention while the apprentice would be up in space he created, piling up the rows.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/
QuoteLiverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has opened discussions with one of Kuwait's richest families.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2009, 10:45:34 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/
QuoteLiverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has opened discussions with one of Kuwait's richest families.
Interesting.....
Nothing we haven't heard before though,I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for something to happen
In relation to the Juventus bid for Kuyt, while about half of the reports are saying its for €30m, the other half put it at £10m - which clearly is the more sensible figure.
Hamburg made a bid of £10m for Kuyt in the summer and Liverpool said they'd only sell for £16m. So any bids that do come in will undoubtedly be in that range.
Quote from: Hound on January 23, 2009, 08:17:23 AM
In relation to the Juventus bid for Kuyt, while about half of the reports are saying its for €30m, the other half put it at £10m - which clearly is the more sensible figure.
Hamburg made a bid of £10m for Kuyt in the summer and Liverpool said they'd only sell for £16m. So any bids that do come in will undoubtedly be in that range.
Irrelevant anywaym, he won't be sold.
was there really any bids for dirk shite?
I believe the £28 million figure was transfer fee and wages
£15m for the fee and £13m for wages over 5 years
QuoteLiverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has opened discussions with one of Kuwait's richest families.
Interesting.....
Nothing we haven't heard before though,I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting for something to happen
Still it must be nice to see that a Billionaire who
actually has some money this time is interested!
have you nothing better to be at?
I see Liverpool have been saved the bombscare that is Emile Heskey returning. Seeing as we will be getting rid of one other skill merchant in Kuyt it would have been a shame to invest in another.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 23, 2009, 03:17:10 PM
I see Liverpool have been saved the bombscare that is Emile Heskey returning. Seeing as we will be getting rid of one other skill merchant in Kuyt it would have been a shame to invest in another.
Of course Kuyt isn't there for skill. Pennant has a lot of skill, worked out well.
Im glad Heskey is not coming too, people say how he has improved but he still averages 7 goals a season. We could do without that sort of "improvement"........
Rafa talking about playing a weakened team on sunday :'(
Looks like our bitter neighbours might have slaggin rights over us for a while
Quote from: gawa316 on January 23, 2009, 05:09:37 PM
Rafa talking about playing a weakened team on sunday :'(
Looks like our bitter neighbours might have slaggin rights over us for a while
Who gives a f**k, I bet your firends are eith Pool or United, unless you live in the City I wouldn't care.
Quite simply the this competition died in 2000. f**k All Cup.
Basically every team in the Premiership plays a weakened side in the early rounds to save for the league.
I said the same last year and got ate alive on here. I still hold the same belief. If Cahill scored another late equaliser/winner would it come even close to comparing how you felt on Monday?
Corn would it not be fair in saying its your best chance of a trophy this year?
JERMAINE PENNANT claims Rafa Benitez bombed him out of Liverpool because he is English.
Winger Pennant joined Portsmouth on loan this week after Kop boss Benitez told him his Anfield career was over.
And the former England Under-21 star rapped: "I am looking forward to Tony Adams speaking English.
"Last season I played 34 games and in a Champions League final the previous year for Rafa but now he has had a change of plans.
"I don't know if it is the English mentality he dislikes but there are not a lot of English players at Liverpool.
"I have mentioned that before when I was at Arsenal so I have not had much luck with foreign managers.
"It seems very strange to go from playing every week to training on my own on Saturday afternoons.
"But that is Rafa for you and I don't think half the players at Liverpool can work him out.
"I have been speaking to a lot of the other Liverpool players and they could not understand why I was not being selected, especially in the games at home where they have struggled to win.
"It was the same with Peter Crouch and he had to get away too.
"I spoke to Crouchie a lot before I came here and he told me to join Portsmouth. He said Tony would give me more chances to play."
The Nottingham-born star was a £6.7million signing from Birmingham in July 2006. He played 81 games for Liverpool but only started twice this season.
Pennant, 26, who makes his debut against Swansea today, has the option of a permanent move in the summer. But he could yet join AC Milan or Real Madrid.
He added: "It is weird I cannot get into Liverpool's team but Real Madrid want me.
"It is very flattering to be linked with a club of their size because they are one of the best teams in the world. I did not speak to Madrid directly but my agent may have done. I did not speak to Milan either but again my agent may have.
"I'm here for six months because I want regular football. It would be a great experience to play abroad and I'm not ruling it out."
Another great endorsement for rafa ::). He will be gone for sure at the end of the season if not before..
Good point,when someone with the standing in the game of Jermaine Pennant questions you then you know you are in trouble. When will the penny drop with Pennant that he may just be a waster and it isnt everyone elses fault? This is the same Jermaine Pennant that when stopped by police for drink driving told the cops his name was Ashley Cole,yes he is a real stand up guy. I would love to know what players couldnt believe why he wasnt getting on,that is of course taking a leap of faith that he isnt lying. . . . . . . .Good riddance
Quote from: new devil on January 24, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
Corn would it not be fair in saying its your best chance of a trophy this year?
If that is the case it is United's best chance of a trophy too seeing as the two teams are in identical positions in the league and Europe.
If he doesn't like having a foreign manager or too many foreign players then Madrid is definitely the place for him ::)
Quote from: Minder on January 24, 2009, 02:20:49 PM
Good point,when someone with the standing in the game of Jermaine Pennant questions you then you know you are in trouble. When will the penny drop with Pennant that he may just be a waster and it isnt everyone elses fault? This is the same Jermaine Pennant that when stopped by police for drink driving told the cops his name was Ashley Cole,yes he is a real stand up guy. I would love to know what players couldnt believe why he wasnt getting on,that is of course taking a leap of faith that he isnt lying. . . . . . . .Good riddance
i think pennant must think he is 15 still when he was being transferred for £2 million to arsenal and had the potential to be something. talking about real madrid and milan being in for him he is now at pompey a level where he will be suited. complete p***k trying get £60000 per week him rank 2. he 26 now, i doubt that he will ever grow up. he should face facts he has had opportunity at 2 big clubs and his attitude/performances havent cut the mustard. i would have wanted him sold for 3 mil in jan along with dossena and use cash for a right winger. think squad a bit flat at moment and a new right winger could spark things up again
Anyone know whats the craic with justin.tv, never seems to work for me anymore. either they're playing different games than they say or else they are off line ???
have you tried myp2p.eu?
Quote from: Square Ball on January 24, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
have you tried myp2p.eu?
yeah and when i actually find a match its usually pretty good quality. i use the sopcast streams they have but sometimes it's a bitch to find the match from the list of life channels. Am i doin something wrong?
I reckon Rafa will go with a team similar to this tomorrow
Reina
Arbeloa Agger Skrtel Dossena
Babel Masch Lucas Riera
Gerrard
Torres
With a possibilty of Benny going in on the right and babel shifting to the left, giving Riera a rest
Quote from: corn02 on January 24, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: new devil on January 24, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
Corn would it not be fair in saying its your best chance of a trophy this year?
If that is the case it is United's best chance of a trophy too seeing as the two teams are in identical positions in the league and Europe.
United have won a trophy already and are going to Wembley already.
Reports that arteta didn't travel with bluenose squad today
The Liverpool team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Dossena, Carragher, Skrtel, Mascherano, Alonso, Kuyt, Babel, Gerrard, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri,Hyypia, Riera, Aurelio, Benayoun, Lucas, Ngog.
Keane not even in squad :o
rumors that keane has huffed and stormed out. id be glad if he got sold tbh, awful attitude.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 24, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: new devil on January 24, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
Corn would it not be fair in saying its your best chance of a trophy this year?
If that is the case it is United's best chance of a trophy too seeing as the two teams are in identical positions in the league and Europe.
United have won a trophy already and are going to Wembley already.
Yes those two massive trophies. I refer to trophies that actually matter.
Any working streams lads?
Rafa: "Keane not injured" could not get 19 in
Doesn't look good for robbie
Quote from: laceer on January 25, 2009, 03:50:58 PM
Any working streams lads?
i've got it on myp2pfootball the espn link is pretty good
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 24, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: new devil on January 24, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
Corn would it not be fair in saying its your best chance of a trophy this year?
If that is the case it is United's best chance of a trophy too seeing as the two teams are in identical positions in the league and Europe.
United have won a trophy already and are going to Wembley already.
Yes those two massive trophies. I refer to trophies that actually matter.
Oh right. You should have been clearer so.
Well done Mr Bennett.
Could have been given easily. Arbeloa clipped his heels. I'd be a wee bit pissed off if I was an Everton fan.
"Everton have been awarded one penalty at Anfield in 71 years".....
I thought it was only Mancheter United who never got pens given against them a home? ;)
Rick Parry bought keane obviously
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2009, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 24, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
Quote from: new devil on January 24, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
Corn would it not be fair in saying its your best chance of a trophy this year?
If that is the case it is United's best chance of a trophy too seeing as the two teams are in identical positions in the league and Europe.
United have won a trophy already and are going to Wembley already.
Yes those two massive trophies. I refer to trophies that actually matter.
Oh right. You should have been clearer so.
You said United have won a trophy this year when they haven't , I presume you mean this season, you should have been clearer so.
Quote from: The GAA on January 25, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Rick Parry bought keane obviously
The only thing that could ruin the headlines is that he is being held for Wednesday.
19 minutes and 20 seconds it took for Kuyt to give possession away 10 times. I'm not counting anymore though 8)
Yeah similar figure to Gerrard in the same period, let's sell him too.
Everton lead
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
Everton lead
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You're very happy.
Alonso, for once, has to take the blame. You have to admire Evertyon as a club, they have great belief about themselves.
Best thing about this match so far has been Carragher's drag-back. Cruyff-esque!
Not a great half, Everton always going to be dangerous from set plays! Now they will defend with their lives!
How does that little shit Cahill always seem to get his head to any cross/corner against us?
Did I hear that right ?...Carragher was booked in the tunnel as the players walked off at half time
Anyone any direct links/streams to the game ?
1-1 now. Unreal skill by Torres plus unreal blunder by howard = Gerrard goal.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 25, 2009, 04:36:58 PM
Babbel playing brutal again today :'( I always think he is going to produce but keeps lettting us down
Babel is a lazy waste of space IMHO
Kuyt should have buried that...
mascherano pathetic dive
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
mascherano pathetic dive
Were learning from United all the time.
what united players do you see waving for a second yellow card and trying to get a player sent off? Pathetic
Not a great result but a decent enough performance.
Good to see us playing a bit of fluid football for the first time in a few weeks.
Both full backs were good, Arbeloa was close to man of the match for me.
Mascherano looked excellent for the first time since the United match.
Wingers weren't great. Kuyt done his usual good shift, but he really should have done a lot better with that chance. Babel was giving up on balls not even out etc,etc, crowd got frustrated with him.
Torres looked sharper.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
what united players do you see waving for a second yellow card and trying to get a player sent off? Pathetic
Haha, well both Rooney and Ronaldo have done it plenty this season, do you not remember Rooney even apologising for the Villlareal one?
So to answer your question, plenty.
Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw
exactly Rooney apoligised= not trying to get the player sent off.
Mascherano tryed to get Cahill sent off, and even waved for a second yellow.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2009, 06:00:16 PM
exactly Rooney apoligised= not trying to get the player sent off.
Mascherano tryed to get Cahill sent off, and even waved for a second yellow.
Your right, diving is ok if you apologise after.
Another draw. It seems like we've drawn the last dozen games.
Have to start winning pronto starting midweek or we'll soon be out of contention in everything.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 25, 2009, 05:58:52 PM
Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw
Agreed re: Dossena, steady and very good attacking. I'll give him praise where it is due.
Good result for Everton in the circumstances, though they might well have held on but for Howard's mistake, and they will have a better chance back at Goodison and with a couple of players hopefully set to return. Was struck by how quiet that home crowd was today, only seemed to waken up after Gerrard scored and then dozed off again shortly afterwards.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
Another draw. It seems like we've drawn the last dozen games.
Have to start winning pronto starting midweek or we'll soon be out of contention in everything.
Seems? That isn't too far from the truth.
Don't really care if we are out of contention in the Sweet FA Cup. Would be nice to win though, but not essential.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 25, 2009, 06:04:15 PM
Good result for Everton in the circumstances, though they might well have held on but for Howard's mistake, and they will have a better chance back at Goodison and with a couple of players hopefully set to return. Was struck by how quiet that home crowd was today, only seemed to waken up after Gerrard scored and then dozed off again shortly afterwards.
Actually thought they were loud enough. All the songs got a run, the Kirby one especially.
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
Another draw. It seems like we've drawn the last dozen games.
Have to start winning pronto starting midweek or we'll soon be out of contention in everything.
Seems? That isn't too far from the truth.
Don't really care if we are out of contention in the Sweet FA Cup. Would be nice to win though, but not essential.
True it would be the 3rd choice of trophies to win this year but I wouldn't be so flippant as to call it the sweet FA Cup,especially in the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough I think it would be great to win it this year,though I am a little biased as I love the FA Cup..
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
Another draw. It seems like we've drawn the last dozen games.
Have to start winning pronto starting midweek or we'll soon be out of contention in everything.
Seems? That isn't too far from the truth.
Don't really care if we are out of contention in the Sweet FA Cup. Would be nice to win though, but not essential.
I'd take any kind of win right now just to get the ball rolling again.
Just checked. Drawn 5 of the last 8. Seems like more.
I could actually see us losing the least amount of games in the league this season but being undone by a scatter of draws.
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 25, 2009, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:03:18 PM
Another draw. It seems like we've drawn the last dozen games.
Have to start winning pronto starting midweek or we'll soon be out of contention in everything.
Seems? That isn't too far from the truth.
Don't really care if we are out of contention in the Sweet FA Cup. Would be nice to win though, but not essential.
True it would be the 3rd choice of trophies to win this year but I wouldn't be so flippant as to call it the sweet FA Cup,especially in the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough I think it would be great to win it this year,though I am a little biased as I love the FA Cup..
Yeah was a bit flippant and I do enjoy it. But it is our third priority, so I am not bothered either way.
Gerard class act for sure as i say not a supporter of any team but cant help thinking that 6 draws in 9 games how many of them games would utd have went on to win?? the killer instinct seems to be non existent.
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.
Your right about Gerrard, another great performance from him today!
As someone said before, the extra game is not what is needed right now!
Think everyone seemed to come through without injury so with Agger back Rafa should have a full squad to pick from for Wednesday.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.
And corn is Kuyt's lovechild :D ;)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.
He was just ok today, should have done a lot better with the shot. Last six weeks he has dropped off the pace a bit, but that period included the Newcastle match - he was superb in that game.
Need to see a goal from him soon.
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:13:21 PM
Gerard class act for sure as i say not a supporter of any team but cant help thinking that 6 draws in 9 games how many of them games would utd have went on to win?? the killer instinct seems to be non existent.
United have won 7 or 8 games 1-0. Many of those with very late goals. Not playing that well relatively speaking but they are getting the right result.
liverpool need a six yard box preditor......
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 25, 2009, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.
And corn is Kuyt's lovechild :D ;)
Perhaps ;D
I just think people forget that a team can't be all attack, skill, offensive - wingers anyway. A winger plays in the middle of the attack and defence and they need to have defensive duties as well.
That said, he needs to show a lot more on the attacking side. His goal return is decent this year, but he covers so much that is needed in a team that he is a sure starter every game.
Me and AZ have an argument all the time here about Kuyt creating space, I think Arbeloa reaped the benfits of it today.
So wonder is Keane off then?
Rumours that he strormed out of Anfield today. Might not be true obviously but if he's not involved midweek it won't look good for him.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:16:28 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:13:21 PM
Gerard class act for sure as i say not a supporter of any team but cant help thinking that 6 draws in 9 games how many of them games would utd have went on to win?? the killer instinct seems to be non existent.
United have won 7 or 8 games 1-0. Many of those with very late goals. Not playing that well relatively speaking but they are getting the right result.
Exactly had an argument with a mate who said things like "doesn't happen at Unite" etc, etc, except in reality, 2008/2009 United have been a more conservative outfit.
Everton/Liverpool v Doncaster/Villa
Sheff Utd v Hull City
Watford v Chelsea
West Ham v Middlesboro
Sunderland/Blackburn v Coventry
Derby/Notts Forest v Man Utd
Swansea v Fulham
Liverpool/Everton v Doncaster/Aston Villa
Cardiff/Arsenal v WBA/Burnley
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 25, 2009, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:20:22 PM
So wonder is Keane off then?
Rumours that he strormed out of Anfield today. Might not be true obviously but if he's not involved midweek it won't look good for him.
Worrying times for Keane alright, must be a nightmare for the man considering Liverpool is his boyhood team. It seems to have gone sour in a short space of time for him which is a sad sight. What can he do to turn it around? It looks like Rafa has made up his mind about him and doesnt see him as a necessary player in the Liverpool first team. What other stirkers where on the bench today?
Not looking good,where are these rumours coming from?
As a Liverpool fan I would love to see him stay and make a success of himself at Anfield,but as a Irish soccer fan I would rather see him move on and play every week than rot on the bench or in the stands..
Keane would be right to walk out! What would he not give to get a run of games like Kuyt does!
Hopefully he plays Wednesday or it could be the end!
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
think kuyt round ten corn
tough draw if get thru replay..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 25, 2009, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 25, 2009, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:20:22 PM
So wonder is Keane off then?
Rumours that he strormed out of Anfield today. Might not be true obviously but if he's not involved midweek it won't look good for him.
Worrying times for Keane alright, must be a nightmare for the man considering Liverpool is his boyhood team. It seems to have gone sour in a short space of time for him which is a sad sight. What can he do to turn it around? It looks like Rafa has made up his mind about him and doesnt see him as a necessary player in the Liverpool first team. What other stirkers where on the bench today?
Not looking good,where are these rumours coming from?
Was on some of the forums but obviously could be all bollocks. You know what Liverpool is like for rumours.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2009, 06:29:58 PM
Keane would be right to walk out! What would he not give to get a run of games like Kuyt does!
Hopefully he plays Wednesday or it could be the end!
Does he desve it though? Kuyt has been a better player this season without doubt.
To be honest if he walked out he can f**k off. He has a right to be pissed off but nobody walks out, wrong attitude.
Of course it may not be tru.
Well considering that Mark bucketmouth Lawrenson declared that Gerrard told him in private that Keane was gone in January, you can hardly blame the rumours.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2009, 06:29:58 PM
Keane would be right to walk out! What would he not give to get a run of games like Kuyt does!
Hopefully he plays Wednesday or it could be the end!
He would be right to walk out? Catch a grip.
Keane had ample opportunities and didnt take them. On Monday night he was anonymous yet again. Terrible attitude to boot, wont be sad to see the back of him.
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:34:23 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2009, 06:29:58 PM
Keane would be right to walk out! What would he not give to get a run of games like Kuyt does!
Hopefully he plays Wednesday or it could be the end!
Does he desve it though? Kuyt has been a better player this season without doubt.
Could also be argued Keane hasn't been given a fair chance.
There have been times this season when Kuyt has been brutal and he is never subbed,Keane went on a run of scoring in a few games and he was dropped for the Newcastle game,nevermind all the times he wasn't brought on when we needed a goal or brought off when he was playing decent enough
LL has it! Keane to me is a confidence player. The newcastle game took the biscuit, despite it being Liverpools best performance it had to be the worst team they have faced all year. If Keane had of started that game god knows how many he could have scored!
Kuyt offers nothing on the wing and not much more up front! keane to me is a better all round player pity he cant get a chance to prove it in Red!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2009, 06:54:32 PM
LL has it! Keane to me is a confidence player. The newcastle game took the biscuit, despite it being Liverpools best performance it had to be the worst team they have faced all year. If Keane had of started that game god knows how many he could have scored!
Kuyt offers nothing on the wing and not much more up front! keane to me is a better all round player pity he cant get a chance to prove it in Red!
If you think Kuyt brings nothing you are ver ymuch wrong.
Yes LL I agree with your points. Kuyt does seem unsubbable at times - Hull being the prime example, but, when on the field, Keane hasn't been good.
Also this argument that Carmen and other people have brough up about the Newcastle match is one of the stupidest I have ever heard. When a team wins 5-1 you cannot question selection. And if you are, you need to catch a grip big style.
By your logic Carmen, he may have messed up every attack and we may have lost the game.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2009, 06:29:58 PM
Keane would be right to walk out!
Catch yourself on. If the rumours are true about him walking out, Keane would not be right to do so. Keane isn't child so shouldn't act like one. If am getting grief at work from the boss, I can bet ye I don't walk out in a huff
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Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2009, 06:29:58 PM
Keane would be right to walk out!
Catch yourself on. If the rumours are true about him walking out, Keane would not be right to do so. Keane isn't child so shouldn't act like one. If am getting grief at work from the boss, I can bet ye I don't walk out in a huff
Bingo!
Nobody is saying Keane doesn't have a right to be annoyed but if it is true - good riddance. Didn;t he pull a stunt like this at Spurs - flung the jersey. Taking after his namesake if true and getting out when the going is getting tough.
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 07:18:48 PM
Nobody is saying Keane doesn't have a right to be annoyed but if it is true - good riddance. Didn;t he pull a stunt like this at Spurs - flung the jersey. Taking after his namesake if true and getting out when the going is getting tough.
Yeah, you're 100% right, Roy Keane spent 12 years at Man United. Robbie Keane has been at six clubs since 1999. Perfectly valid comparison ::)
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 25, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 07:18:48 PM
Nobody is saying Keane doesn't have a right to be annoyed but if it is true - good riddance. Didn;t he pull a stunt like this at Spurs - flung the jersey. Taking after his namesake if true and getting out when the going is getting tough.
Yeah, you're 100% right, Roy Keane spent 12 years at Man United. Robbie Keane has been at six clubs since 1999. Perfectly valid comparison ::)
Get off your high horse son, I was making a comparison with his stint at Sunderland.
Fair enough so. I still don't agree with ya on that comparison but we'll not go down that road again
But back to Robbie Keane, while his temperament can be questioned, he has been getting a raw deal. He's as well to get out now before end of transfer window.
Not in the 18 today is utterly bizarre and either hints at a complete lack of belief in his ability from his manager or a bust-up, neither of which will help his Ireland career, while he remains at Liverpool. Could Everton take him out of curiosity??
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on January 25, 2009, 07:59:21 PM
Fair enough so. I still don't agree with ya on that comparison but we'll not go down that road again
But back to Robbie Keane, while his temperament can be questioned, he has been getting a raw deal. He's as well to get out now before end of transfer window.
Not in the 18 today is utterly bizarre and either hints at a complete lack of belief in his ability from his manager or a bust-up, neither of which will help his Ireland career, while he remains at Liverpool. Could Everton take him out of curiosity??
Fair enough, it was a black and white comment from me, but certainly a similar thing.
Keane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out. The rumours that he was a Parry signing and not a Rafa one wont help the situation.
There is the slight possibilty that he was being held back for the big game of the two - Wigan.
I doubt they would do business with Everton. A weird situation.
The most probable thing is that he is being kept for Wednesday, Kuyt bound to need a rest soon especially after all that hard running last Monday and today!
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
Everton lead
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
would you and your trolling ever f**k off out of this thread???
you contribute absolutely nothing
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2009, 08:32:15 PM
The most probable thing is that he is being kept for Wednesday, Kuyt bound to need a rest soon especially after all that hard running last Monday and today!
If if that is true he should still have been named on the bench IMHO
Heading to Anfield on Sunday morning next. Arrive at around 10.30ish in the airport, so don't want to waste too much time between going to hotel and getting to the ground for a loc of pints. Where does good food, reasonabley priced? Staying at Albert Docks, so anywhere there or at the ground.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 25, 2009, 11:15:59 PM
Heading to Anfield on Sunday morning next. Arrive at around 10.30ish in the airport, so don't want to waste too much time between going to hotel and getting to the ground for a loc of pints. Where does good food, reasonabley priced? Staying at Albert Docks, so anywhere there or at the ground.
Not too many quality dining establisments in the vicinity of Anfield. You would be better off eating in the city centre. There is loads of good places to eat around the Albert Dock.
When he was took off against everton last monday he didn't seem happy and you could clearly see him saying "f**k off"...do yous think that would off anything to do with it
As an Ireland player would like to see him move on somewere else to get regular first team football..don't think Rafa has give him much of a chance
Quote from: new devil on January 25, 2009, 11:20:00 PM
When he was took off against everton last monday he didn't seem happy and you could clearly see him saying "f**k off"...do yous think that would off anything to do with it
As an Ireland player would like to see him move on somewere else to get regular first team football..don't think Rafa has give him much of a chance
He could have no complants about been taken off last Monday night - he was fecking shocking
Yea i no he was bad but do you think his reaction could have something to do with it?
Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.
Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 26, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.
Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.
Good analysis Seanie. It doesn't bode well however if he was signed over Benitez' head and we'll have to wait to see how that turns out. The transfer stuff is pretty much why Benitez left Valencia. That said, I doubt if Benitez can be excused for every one of the misfits and dross that have been signed. I have read murmurings among some supporters that last summer may turn to be to Benitez what Djouff/Diou/Cheyrou was to Houllier, although I don't think that is fair given the progress, to this point, that has been made this season in terms of a league challenge. However, this is a very important week: if Liverpool don't pick up at least four points from Wigan (away) and Chelsea (home), they're probably going to be in big trouble in terms of the league. They arguably need six points. Even four will be tough given their current form.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 26, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.
Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.
Pretty spot on to be fair.
Two 1-1s and two very contrasting performances. We suit 4-4-1-1 not 4-4-2.
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:14:10 PM
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Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.
He was just ok today, should have done a lot better with the shot. Last six weeks he has dropped off the pace a bit, but that period included the Newcastle match - he was superb in that game.
Need to see a goal from him soon.
Fer fecks sake corn, even Lucas was superb against Newcastle!
Thats about the 3rd time you've signaled Kuyt out for praise because its the one game since November that he hasnt been (at best) mediocre and frankly its ridiculous! Newcasle was a game that we won comfortably, and he played well, but so did everyone, and no way did he deserve special praise. Was he even involved in any of the goals? The first Benayoun laid it on for Gerrard. The 2nd Sami buried a corner, the third Babel knocked in from a corner after the Newky defence made a complete balls of things. The 4th was from Gerrard after a great through ball from Lucas and the last was an Alonso peno after I think Ngog was fouled.
You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to make this the only recent highlight of Kuyt's form, alleging he was superb where he wasnt involved in scoring or assisting in any of the 5 goals, yet the likes of even Babel, Benayoun, Lucas and Ngog either got a goal or an assist.
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.
He was just ok today, should have done a lot better with the shot. Last six weeks he has dropped off the pace a bit, but that period included the Newcastle match - he was superb in that game.
Need to see a goal from him soon.
Fer fecks sake corn, even Lucas was superb against Newcastle!
Thats about the 3rd time you've signaled Kuyt out for praise because its the one game since November that he hasnt been (at best) mediocre and frankly its ridiculous! Newcasle was a game that we won comfortably, and he played well, but so did everyone, and no way did he deserve special praise. Was he even involved in any of the goals? The first Benayoun laid it on for Gerrard. The 2nd Sami buried a corner, the third Babel knocked in from a corner after the Newky defence made a complete balls of things. The 4th was from Gerrard after a great through ball from Lucas and the last was an Alonso peno after I think Ngog was fouled.
You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to make this the only recent highlight of Kuyt's form, alleging he was superb where he wasnt involved in scoring or assisting in any of the 5 goals, yet the likes of even Babel, Benayoun, Lucas and Ngog either got a goal or an assist.
Yes Lucas was superb, what is your point there.
I tell you what go watch the opneing 30 minutes when we blitzed them and see who was at the centre of every move. He was superb and can not be blamed for other people missing sitters.
You will also notice that I said he hasn't been at his best over the last few weeks ven though he had only one poor game - Hull. The rest he has been just ok.
QuoteROBBIE KEANE'S Liverpool future hangs on a knife-edge after he boycotted the clash with Everton.
The £20million striker did not turn up at Anfield after being told French rookie David Ngog had replaced him on the bench.
Steven Gerrard hit Liverpool's leveller in a 1-1 FA Cup fourth round draw.
And boss Rafa Benitez said: "We have a good squad and Keane was not selected.
"I have not seen him so I don't know how he has reacted. But every player wants to be involved so I would expect he is not happy.
"Ngog scored twice for the reserves in their last match, so he was a good option. And we have Ryan Babel and Lucas who can play forward, so we were well covered."
Keane has managed only seven goals since his summer move from Tottenham.
He has been substituted in all but one of his 16 Premier League starts and was hauled off yet again in the second half of last Monday's 1-1 league draw against rivals Everton after another dismal display.
It looks like Benitez's patience is running thin, although he did offer Keane a crumb of consolation.
Benitez added: "He's working hard and, for me, the most important thing is if the players work hard for the team."
He just does not suit Rafa's team selection (make sure we dont lose and maybe we will sneak a win!) which would suggest that he was not Rafas choice as a signing. Not good for Keane so he should get out ASAP to get weekly football for the good of the Ireland team...
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 10:19:13 AM
Yes Lucas was superb, what is your point there.
I tell you what go watch the opneing 30 minutes when we blitzed them and see who was at the centre of every move. He was superb and can not be blamed for other people missing sitters.
You will also notice that I said he hasn't been at his best over the last few weeks ven though he had only one poor game - Hull. The rest he has been just ok.
The point is, its easy to be "superb", when one team is miles better and the other can't defend. Kuyt himself missed two great chances in the opening quarter. But of course he played well , and no he wasnt invovled in any goals.
There is no doubt in my mind that Robbie Keane has been badly managed by Benitez.
Keane started off not good, but Benitez stuck with him and played him in every game. Keane then did progress and looked to be gradually finding his feet. While he didn't score in either of the wins v ManU and Everton for instance, he did play well in both games and lasted virtually 90 mins in both.
Then he breaks his duck in the win over PSV. Keane must have been buzzin, what does Rafa do? – he drops him for the first time!
Then Keane goes through a bad patch and is left out for a spell, until surprisingly recalled for the Arsenal game. Keane had played well in the bigger games and fair dues to Rafa for recognising it. He didnt play all that well, but he got a cracking goal and suddenly his confidence his back. He's plays great in the next game, gets 2 goals and finally the real Robbie Keane has arrived. So then he's immediately dropped.
When he starts a game again, Torres is back from injury on the bench, so the pressure is back on Robbie - and thus he's back to his early season form of trying too hard, and then he is back to in and out of the team. And then against Hull and Stoke he's left on the bench for 90 minutes when we're in desperate need of a goal. An almighty kick in the balls. I can only imagine how he must have felt. You'd swear Rafa's policy was designed to keep confidence low!
I don't care about Ngog being on the bench v Everton. He was never ever going to get on unless the game was over, even if both Torres and Kuyt got injured. And Keane didnt walk out, he could have watched the game from the stands, but he chose to stay at home (first team players not in the matchday squad always have a choice). If Keane doesnt feature either on Wednesday or Sunday, then it'll be clear he's not in Rafa's plans. But maybe he will and maybe this is just Rafa's (bizarre) thinking on how to keep him motivated.....
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2009, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: aroundincircles on January 25, 2009, 06:07:07 PM
Am not a fan of any soccer team but after spending millions on new players where would liverpool be with out steven gerrard. How much would liverpool have paid for kuyt??
They bought Kuyt for 13 million or something? Somewhere in that area.
Gerrard is priceless.
Dirk actually started the season very well. Was scoring a few goals and getting a few assists. Last 6 weeks though he's been pretty poor. Could do with being dropped for a spell only for he's Rafa's lovechild. Plus the competition for his place is hardly fierce.
He was just ok today, should have done a lot better with the shot. Last six weeks he has dropped off the pace a bit, but that period included the Newcastle match - he was superb in that game.
Need to see a goal from him soon.
Fer fecks sake corn, even Lucas was superb against Newcastle!
Thats about the 3rd time you've signaled Kuyt out for praise because its the one game since November that he hasnt been (at best) mediocre and frankly its ridiculous! Newcasle was a game that we won comfortably, and he played well, but so did everyone, and no way did he deserve special praise. Was he even involved in any of the goals? The first Benayoun laid it on for Gerrard. The 2nd Sami buried a corner, the third Babel knocked in from a corner after the Newky defence made a complete balls of things. The 4th was from Gerrard after a great through ball from Lucas and the last was an Alonso peno after I think Ngog was fouled.
You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to make this the only recent highlight of Kuyt's form, alleging he was superb where he wasnt involved in scoring or assisting in any of the 5 goals, yet the likes of even Babel, Benayoun, Lucas and Ngog either got a goal or an assist.
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2009, 10:44:01 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that Robbie Keane has been badly managed by Benitez.
Keane started off not good, but Benitez stuck with him and played him in every game. Keane then did progress and looked to be gradually finding his feet. While he didn’t score in either of the wins v ManU and Everton for instance, he did play well in both games and lasted virtually 90 mins in both.
Then he breaks his duck in the win over PSV. Keane must have been buzzin, what does Rafa do? – he drops him for the first time!
Then Keane goes through a bad patch and is left out for a spell, until surprisingly recalled for the Arsenal game. Keane had played well in the bigger games and fair dues to Rafa for recognising it. He didnt play all that well, but he got a cracking goal and suddenly his confidence his back. He's plays great in the next game, gets 2 goals and finally the real Robbie Keane has arrived. So then he's immediately dropped.
When he starts a game again, Torres is back from injury on the bench, so the pressure is back on Robbie - and thus he's back to his early season form of trying too hard, and then he is back to in and out of the team. And then against Hull and Stoke he's left on the bench for 90 minutes when we're in desperate need of a goal. An almighty kick in the balls. I can only imagine how he must have felt. You'd swear Rafa's policy was designed to keep confidence low!
I don't care about Ngog being on the bench v Everton. He was never ever going to get on unless the game was over, even if both Torres and Kuyt got injured. And Keane didnt walk out, he could have watched the game from the stands, but he chose to stay at home (first team players not in the matchday squad always have a choice). If Keane doesnt feature either on Wednesday or Sunday, then it'll be clear he's not in Rafa's plans. But maybe he will and maybe this is just Rafa's (bizarre) thinking on how to keep him motivated.....
At last someone talking sense!
Carmen you're not talking much sense if you think Robbie was right to walk out.
Hound, Kuyt had a good shot saved by given, hit him in the face, I don't recall any other chance he missed.
Premiership:
Both Kuyt and Keane have five goals apiece.
Kuyt has started 22 games and Keane 17.
Kuyt has spent on average 87 minutes on the field - no surprise
Keane has spent on average 78 minutes - higher than I thought.
With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.
So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player :D
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 12:47:49 PM.
With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.
In fairness that's like comparing different shades of shite.
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 12:47:49 PM
Carmen you're not talking much sense if you think Robbie was right to walk out.
Hound, Kuyt had a good shot saved by given, hit him in the face, I don't recall any other chance he missed.
Premiership:
Both Kuyt and Keane have five goals apiece.
Kuyt has started 22 games and Keane 17.
Kuyt has spent on average 87 minutes on the field - no surprise
Keane has spent on average 78 minutes - higher than I thought.
With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.
I don't think those stats show a clear difference between them. Kuyt was certainly better in the early part of the season, but not since then.
The goals per minute ratio is about the same, pretty shíte for both of them really.
They do share one other thing in common. The time when they scored twice in a game when their shooting confidence must have been at its highest, they were immediately dropped!
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on January 25, 2009, 11:15:59 PM
Heading to Anfield on Sunday morning next. Arrive at around 10.30ish in the airport, so don't want to waste too much time between going to hotel and getting to the ground for a loc of pints. Where does good food, reasonabley priced? Staying at Albert Docks, so anywhere there or at the ground.
there is a grand bar on the Albert Dock called the Pump or something, decent food and beer, not much of an atmosphere though. There is an entrance to Liverpool one opp the Albert Dock, has Nando's and the like in there. Pizza Express for some stomach lining goodness and pint bottles of Peroni
happy hunting
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 12:53:38 PM
So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player :D
No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 12:47:49 PM
Carmen you're not talking much sense if you think Robbie was right to walk out.
Hound, Kuyt had a good shot saved by given, hit him in the face, I don't recall any other chance he missed.
Premiership:
Both Kuyt and Keane have five goals apiece.
Kuyt has started 22 games and Keane 17.
Kuyt has spent on average 87 minutes on the field - no surprise
Keane has spent on average 78 minutes - higher than I thought.
With Kuyt playing about 65% of his games on the wing, it is easy to spot who has been the better player.
I don't think those stats show a clear difference between them. Kuyt was certainly better in the early part of the season, but not since then.
The goals per minute ratio is about the same, pretty shíte for both of them really.
They do share one other thing in common. The time when they scored twice in a game when their shooting confidence must have been at its highest, they were immediately dropped!
Kuyt has certainly been better this season, but as you say, neither figure is prolific even for Kuyt playing a lot on the wing.
Let's hope they push on and the arguments are about who is doing better rather than who has been the worst of the two.
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2009, 10:44:01 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that Robbie Keane has been badly managed by Benitez.
Keane started off not good, but Benitez stuck with him and played him in every game. Keane then did progress and looked to be gradually finding his feet. While he didn't score in either of the wins v ManU and Everton for instance, he did play well in both games and lasted virtually 90 mins in both.
Then he breaks his duck in the win over PSV. Keane must have been buzzin, what does Rafa do? – he drops him for the first time!
Then Keane goes through a bad patch and is left out for a spell, until surprisingly recalled for the Arsenal game. Keane had played well in the bigger games and fair dues to Rafa for recognising it. He didnt play all that well, but he got a cracking goal and suddenly his confidence his back. He's plays great in the next game, gets 2 goals and finally the real Robbie Keane has arrived. So then he's immediately dropped.
When he starts a game again, Torres is back from injury on the bench, so the pressure is back on Robbie - and thus he's back to his early season form of trying too hard, and then he is back to in and out of the team. And then against Hull and Stoke he's left on the bench for 90 minutes when we're in desperate need of a goal. An almighty kick in the balls. I can only imagine how he must have felt. You'd swear Rafa's policy was designed to keep confidence low!
I don't care about Ngog being on the bench v Everton. He was never ever going to get on unless the game was over, even if both Torres and Kuyt got injured. And Keane didnt walk out, he could have watched the game from the stands, but he chose to stay at home (first team players not in the matchday squad always have a choice). If Keane doesnt feature either on Wednesday or Sunday, then it'll be clear he's not in Rafa's plans. But maybe he will and maybe this is just Rafa's (bizarre) thinking on how to keep him motivated.....
agreed. Rafa has been acting like a stubborn clown in regards to Keane. Had to switch over last night, couldnt actually listen to the man. His post match interview against Stoke etc etc
Utd to win the league or at least finish 10 points ahead of the Reds (pains to say by the way)
PQ
Has he been stubborn though?
Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.
Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 25, 2009, 05:58:52 PM
Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw
This seems to be Liverpool's moto at present :D
Quote from: EC Unique on January 26, 2009, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 25, 2009, 05:58:52 PM
Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw
This seems to be Liverpool's moto at present :D
Unfortunately so. Of course United had a similar sort of run in the first part of the season when they were dropping points.
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Has he been stubborn though?
Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.
Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.
Taking him off first so often only damages his confidence. And he hasnt been the worst man all the time.
Not using Robbie as a subsitutue against the likes of Hull and Stoke was very strange. It is beyond my comprehension how he could do that when we really needed a goal. Its awful to think that the reason might be stubbornness, i.e. I decided not to play Robbie, and I don't want to be proved wrong by him coming on and scoring a goal. That surely can't be the reason, but there no logical reason
Quote from: EC Unique on January 26, 2009, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 25, 2009, 05:58:52 PM
Happy not to lose but we should really have won that game,A extra game is not want was needed at this stage of the season.
Stevie G was brilliant today,I can't fathom why Keane wasn't even in the squad,I don't think it has anything to do with resting him ahead of the match mid week either.
Great bit of skill for the goal by Torres even if he was quite overall in the game,I thought Dossena had a good game today btw
This seems to be Liverpool's moto at present :D
Always is....So boring...always only play 1 striker even when playing at home....And before anyone starts Dirk Kuyt is not a striker!!
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 12:58:34 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 12:53:38 PM
So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player :D
No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?
Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently. My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt. Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did. What odds is he to score first Wednesday?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 01:18:42 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 12:58:34 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 12:53:38 PM
So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player :D
No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?
Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently. My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt. Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did. What odds is he to score first Wednesday?
I would play El Zahar before Babel, at least he seems willing to take the man on, Babel neither has appetite nor desire. I think he is a lost cause, wasnt a great sign from him that he was willing to throw in the towel and go to Ajax.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 01:18:42 PM
Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently. My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt. Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did. What odds is he to score first Wednesday?
Agree with that.
Babel would be so much better on the right than he is on the left. Tell him to get to the endline and get crosses in. On the left all he does is cut inside almost every time. Very frustrating having Kuyt on the right. Typical example early v Everton. He was putting a cross in from about 30 yards out from the endline, over on the wing, aiming for around the peno spot I'd say. He clears the crossbar ???
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 01:18:42 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 12:58:34 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 12:53:38 PM
So your saying from the above figures Kuyt is a better player :D
No I said he has been better this season, do you disagree with that?
Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently. My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt. Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did. What odds is he to score first Wednesday?
Kuyt has dropped his levels, but not alarmingly. The goals have dried up at present but he has still been grand. There is no question he has been better than Keane when you take the season as a whole.
Which brings me to another point, I hate people judging Keane on half a season. For how shit he has been he still has five goals. If thingsd rectify he could easily hit 8 or 9 in the run in, even in a secondaryt role. 14 league goals would be a decent retunrn.
Watcher Pat, boring it may be, but 4-4-1-1 is our best formation. The balance of the team is spot on with it.
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Has he been stubborn though?
Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.
Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.
Of course he has been stubborn. Makes much more sense as to why he has been stubborn if there is any thruth in that it was Parry who signed Keane and not Rafa. Stubborn like he was / is (Cahill's headers) with the zonal defence, squad rotation etc....
Keane hasnt deserved to come off anymore than another half dozen players. Why not have him on the bench last night and bring him on for a well below Freddie Towers after he ran out of derv? These fu$king decisions need to be made on a professional rather than personal level.
At present, I'd much rather have Stephen Kenny managing Liverpool...fact
PQ
Quote from: Hound on January 26, 2009, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2009, 01:18:42 PM
Kuyt started the season in decent form compared to last season but it has been dropping at an alarming rate recently. My main problem is that in games were we have to be more attack minded he offers nothing to us on the wing. Keane imo has just as much energy and workmanship as Kuyt yet we have never seen him thrown out wide were his speed and trickery could cause more problems than Kuyt. Why does Babel not get a chance on the right? seeing he is mostly right footed i would prefer to see him on that side.
Really hope Keane hasnt walked out, my comment yesterday may have been more out of frustration. Would be bad for both player and club if he did. What odds is he to score first Wednesday?
Agree with that.
Babel would be so much better on the right than he is on the left. Tell him to get to the endline and get crosses in. On the left all he does is cut inside almost every time. Very frustrating having Kuyt on the right. Typical example early v Everton. He was putting a cross in from about 30 yards out from the endline, over on the wing, aiming for around the peno spot I'd say. He clears the crossbar ???
:D Funny thats the one that stands out for me yesterday, there was some nice language used after that one!
Quote from: peterquaife on January 26, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Has he been stubborn though?
Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.
Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.
At present, I'd much rather have Stephen Kenny managing Liverpool...fact
PQ
You might have been able to argue until you said that. Jesus wept.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Talking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 26, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Has he been stubborn though?
Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.
Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.
At present, I'd much rather have Stephen Kenny managing Liverpool...fact
PQ
You might have been able to argue until you said that. Jesus wept.
you tell me why then Kenny could not do a job with the resources Rafa has? A highly intelligent young manager who knows the game inside?
PQ
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Talking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
So were you amused, upset, curious or otherwise ?
Quote from: peterquaife on January 26, 2009, 01:33:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 26, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Has he been stubborn though?
Bar the dropping after he scored the double, has he not deserved to come off in the MAJORITY of the matches he has been. He hasn't exactly been brilliant to be fair.
Rafa's interview would suggest that it may be a bit of scare-mongering and that Keane may still be part of the plans.
At present, I'd much rather have Stephen Kenny managing Liverpool...fact
PQ
You might have been able to argue until you said that. Jesus wept.
you tell me why then Kenny could not do a job with the resources Rafa has? A highly intelligent young manager who knows the game inside?
PQ
Peter, you need to go and lie down in a darkened room until this wears off. Come back on when you are feeling a bit better.
Rumoured that Wigan want to sign keane
before wednesday ;D
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Talking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
So were you amused, upset, curious or otherwise ?
I think it does say amused in there somewhere.
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Talking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
So were you amused, upset, curious or otherwise ?
I think it does say amused in there somewhere.
I have a feeling you were disappointed in his actions though..........
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Talking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
So were you amused, upset, curious or otherwise ?
I think it does say amused in there somewhere.
I have a feeling you were disappointed in his actions though..........
not at all. Just amused at how quickly Stevie's theatrics rub off..
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Talking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
So were you amused, upset, curious or otherwise ?
I think it does say amused in there somewhere.
I have a feeling you were disappointed in his actions though..........
not at all. Just amused at how quickly Stevie's theatrics rub off..
This is Mascheranos third season with Liverpool.
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 02:16:57 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 25, 2009, 08:03:45 PMKeane has had a raw deal, but not as bad as some people are making out.
If he did something on the pitch - then he deserves a shot, but he hasn't - he's been shocking all year - bar 1 or 2 games
Talking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
So were you amused, upset, curious or otherwise ?
I think it does say amused in there somewhere.
I have a feeling you were disappointed in his actions though..........
absolutely, Liverpool player or not, this sh!te has to be stamped out...
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 26, 2009, 01:31:16 PMTalking about getting shot, was there a sniper in Anfield yesterday. Just was amused how easily and how often your man Mascherrano went down compared to his compratriot at Old trafford
of course - they are all sweetness and light over there
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 09:07:58 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 26, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.
Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.
Pretty spot on to be fair.
Two 1-1s and two very contrasting performances. We suit 4-4-1-1 not 4-4-2.
Depends who the one up front is. If Torres isn't fit then who else can step in for 4-4-1-1 to work?
Jeez there are a few players who are really frustrating. Babel, Riera - what the hell are they actually contributing to the team? Never seems to be an end product with either.
Torres - that flick was pure genius.
Couldn't believe the lead up to the Everton goal. Did nobody take a look at the tape from the game last week and notice a certain Tim Cahill loitering with intent around the square?
Is anyone else getting a bit fed up with Benitez's interviews? I didn't think he needed to stoke things up after the game with that stuff about Everton's tactics. What way did he expect them to play? Keep it shut Rafa and get on with the important stuff, let the club salvage any wee bit of dignity that's left from the past 2 years with the 2 w**ks, sorry yanks, in charge.
Quote from: Armamike on January 26, 2009, 10:41:02 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 26, 2009, 09:07:58 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 26, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
Look - he's just not good enough in a lot of ways. His temperament is suspect and he has never been able to take criticism (his appearance on the Late, Late Show alone confirms this. He was a bad buy for Liverpool because their best formation is one (Torres) up with Gerrard free just behind. He is not cut out to play either role. He needs someone like a Berbatov to put things on a plate and if he scores a few then his conversion rate increases. It seems entirely plausbile to me that he is not a Benitez signing.
Some Liverpool fans may not like this but I'm not just criticising him because he plays for Liverpool. I thought this of him long before he ever moved to Merseyside. If anything I'm surprised and admire the workrate he has developed at Anfield - though I've seen it in flashes before when he wasn't scoring.
Pretty spot on to be fair.
Two 1-1s and two very contrasting performances. We suit 4-4-1-1 not 4-4-2.
Depends who the one up front is. If Torres isn't fit then who else can step in for 4-4-1-1 to work?
Jeez there are a few players who are really frustrating. Babel, Riera - what the hell are they actually contributing to the team? Never seems to be an end product with either.
Bit harsh on Riera who I think has been pretty good since he arrived bar a couple of quiet games.
Daniel Agger comments on his ongoing contract negotiations:
"We have only met once with Liverpool," he told Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet .
"At the meeting we had in early November, I was told the club would soon come back. Now it has been 12 weeks since we talked together.
"It's an annoying situation, and in principle it is a little frustrating not getting the message - especially when it has been almost three months. It was the club who said they would come back soon."
If City are serious about Keane then Liverpool should get their money back but if it's Spurs he returns to expect to get severly shafted on your £18M. Was that figure dependent on appearances or how much have you paid to date?
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 09:56:08 AM
If City are serious about Keane then Liverpool should get their money back but if it's Spurs he returns to expect to get severly shafted on your £18M. Was that figure dependent on appearances or how much have you paid to date?
Can't remember where I heard it or read it but think we have only paid 6 million or something like that
I read on another forum that Keane was told not to turn up on Sunday after he exchanged words with Benitez after the drawn league game on Monday night. Could be horses*it but it all sounds ominous for Keane...........
Quote from: Maiden1 on January 27, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
I'm sure this has been asked on previous pages but I can't be bothered reading all the pages but why did Rafa sign Keane and then not play him and look like he has never rated him? I could understand if Houllier had signed him but he paid 20 million for him in the summer, given Keane's age etc. it was certainly an eye opener for me paying that much but it just doesn't make sense. Even when Keane was not scoring at the start of the season he was working really hard and Liverpool where winning most of the matches. Then in his last couple of games he has scored 3 goals and then been discarded. I have always been a huge fan of Rafa's but he does some strange things at times IMHO.
Maybe if it was Chelsea or Manchester City they could sign someone for 20 million then go nah I don't fancy them that much but Liverpool don't have the resources to be spending that much and then Rafa not fancying a player. Surely Liverppol had done there homework before pushing through the deal. Everyone knows Keane is a yard short of pace in regard to being work class so I don't see how anything Keane has done has been such a surprise to Liverpool.
Quote from: Maiden1 on January 27, 2009, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on January 27, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
I'm sure this has been asked on previous pages but I can't be bothered reading all the pages but why did Rafa sign Keane and then not play him and look like he has never rated him? I could understand if Houllier had signed him but he paid 20 million for him in the summer, given Keane's age etc. it was certainly an eye opener for me paying that much but it just doesn't make sense. Even when Keane was not scoring at the start of the season he was working really hard and Liverpool where winning most of the matches. Then in his last couple of games he has scored 3 goals and then been discarded. I have always been a huge fan of Rafa's but he does some strange things at times IMHO.
Maybe if it was Chelsea or Manchester City they could sign someone for 20 million then go nah I don't fancy them that much but Liverpool don't have the resources to be spending that much and then Rafa not fancying a player. Surely Liverppol had done there homework before pushing through the deal. Everyone knows Keane is a yard short of pace in regard to being work class so I don't see how anything Keane has done has been such a surprise to Liverpool.
He always has been short of pace though and has performed far better at Spurs than he is now. As for Liverpool signing him the consensus seems to be Benitez had nothing to do with signing him, he was Rick Parrys "baby". I am actually really surprised we have managed to stay at the top all season, only losing one game, with some of the off the field s*ite that has been going on.
QuoteAs for Liverpool signing him the consensus seems to be Benitez had nothing to do with signing him, he was Rick Parrys "baby".
The same story came out when Shevchenko lost form at Chelsea about him not being Mourhino's signing. Hard to believe on both counts.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 01:31:07 PM
QuoteAs for Liverpool signing him the consensus seems to be Benitez had nothing to do with signing him, he was Rick Parrys "baby".
The same story came out when Shevchenko lost form at Chelsea about him not being Mourhino's signing. Hard to believe on both counts.
I could easily see both being true.
Certainly Shevchenko was only bought because he was good mates with Abramovich. Mourinho probably didn't object but I doubt it was his idea.
As for Keane the way things are run at Liverpool at present it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 27, 2009, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 01:31:07 PM
QuoteAs for Liverpool signing him the consensus seems to be Benitez had nothing to do with signing him, he was Rick Parrys "baby".
The same story came out when Shevchenko lost form at Chelsea about him not being Mourhino's signing. Hard to believe on both counts.
I could easily see both being true.
Certainly Shevchenko was only bought because he was good mates with Abramovich. Mourinho probably didn't object but I doubt it was his idea.
As for Keane the way things are run at Liverpool at present it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Madness to sign a player over the managers head, makes sense why he won't sign a new contract until he gets more control over transfers. What does Rick Parry know about football anyhow. The Keane signing doesn't make sense, paying 20 million for a player that in 3-4 years is probably only going to be worth a couple of million.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 01:31:07 PM
QuoteAs for Liverpool signing him the consensus seems to be Benitez had nothing to do with signing him, he was Rick Parrys "baby".
The same story came out when Shevchenko lost form at Chelsea about him not being Mourhino's signing. Hard to believe on both counts.
You dont honestly think Shevchenko was Mourinhos signing do you?
I don't believe for one second that Keane was not a Benitez signing.
Benitez simply wouldnt stand for it, and Liverpool wouldnt spend £20m on a player the manager didnt ask for.
The Chelsea/Shevchenko situation was totally different.
Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez insists he has not suffered a falling out with Robbie Keane following the striker's Merseyside derby FA Cup snub.
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2009, 11:44:59 AM
I read on another forum that Keane was told not to turn up on Sunday after he exchanged words with Benitez after the drawn league game on Monday night. Could be horses*it but it all sounds ominous for Keane...........
Keane while not being the brightest spark in the football world is not the type to forsake his sense of professional duty.
If there was some sort of row, I doubt that Keane is not man enough to rectify his part in any innappropriate conduct.
Quote from: Hound on January 27, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
I don't believe for one second that Keane was not a Benitez signing.
Benitez simply wouldnt stand for it, and Liverpool wouldnt spend £20m on a player the manager didnt ask for.
The Chelsea/Shevchenko situation was totally different.
Correct. Jesus agreeing withHound on here, I feel dizzy.
There may be some truth in it, and it may have been Parry. But he would have had to of got the ok from Rafa somewhere along the line.
BTW, i still think it could work out well.
Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez insists he has not suffered a falling out with Robbie Keane following the striker's Merseyside derby snub.
The £20million Republic of Ireland international has flopped since moving to Anfield from Tottenham in the summer and rumour has been rife that Benitez is ready to sell.
Keane's Liverpool career plunged to a new low on Sunday as he was left out of Benitez's squad for the 1-1 FA Cup draw with neighbours Everton, sparking speculation that the pair have suffered a difference of opinion.
But with Spurs boss Harry Redknapp - an open admirer of Keane - waiting in the wings, Benitez has included the forward in his plans for Wednesday's Premier League trip to Wigan.
And the Spaniard has rubbished reports of a bust-up with Keane, telling Sky Sports News when asked about a possible row: "No. He is in the squad and training well.
"He is in the squad for tomorrow and I would be very pleased if he scored.
"People are talking too much about Keane. It was just one decision about one player, he wasn't in the squad.
"It is nothing to do with whether he talked to me about the situation. Every player has trained very hard this week, as has Robbie, and he will be in the squad.
"He had a day off on Sunday. He trained on Monday and he trained normally today.
"Everyone is now important for us. We have a lot of games to play in the coming weeks, in the league, cup and Europe.
"When Fernando Torres was injured, Robbie was working hard and doing well. If he can continue to do this we will not have any doubts over his quality."
Benitez, though, did not confirm or deny whether Liverpool have been approached by another club regarding Keane's future.
When asked about possible enquiries from a rival side, Benitez added: "We are just thinking about using him tomorrow and nothing else."
Benitez recognises Keane's omission will cause controversy due to his 'high-profile', but he insists that is on a par to whenever Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson opts to shuffle his pack.
"He is expensive and high profile, yes. But Manchester United have bought plenty of players who cost £20m or more every single year. Sometimes more than one player. But nothing is said about them being left out," added Benitez.
"If you want to be in a top side then you must have this mentality. You have to accept that some players will play and some will not.
"Robbie is a good player, we knew that when we signed him. Maybe he is not playing at his best level, but he wants to fight for his position.
"It doesn't matter the name or the price, we have to think about the best player for each game."
Benitez has revealed the title-chasing Reds have received interest for some members of their squad, but the former Valencia boss is adamant he is not looking to sell.
"A lot of clubs have been asking about some players, to buy or loan. But we have said we do not need to lose anyone, we do not need to sell anyone now," he continued.
"We do not want to lose players now if we cannot replace those players later. We need all of them for the race for the title
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2009, 03:38:34 PM
Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez insists he has not suffered a falling out with Robbie Keane following the striker's Merseyside derby FA Cup snub.
yeah right
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 27, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
Benitez recognises Keane's omission will cause controversy due to his 'high-profile', but he insists that is on a par to whenever Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson opts to shuffle his pack.
"He is expensive and high profile, yes. But Manchester United have bought plenty of players who cost £20m or more every single year. Sometimes more than one player. But nothing is said about them being left out," added Benitez.
This man has an unhealthy obsession with Fergie... He needs to calm down (http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZzbB48HNNtVQzM::blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images)
Quote from: EC Unique on January 27, 2009, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 27, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
Benitez recognises Keane's omission will cause controversy due to his 'high-profile', but he insists that is on a par to whenever Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson opts to shuffle his pack.
"He is expensive and high profile, yes. But Manchester United have bought plenty of players who cost £20m or more every single year. Sometimes more than one player. But nothing is said about them being left out," added Benitez.
This man has an unhealthy obsession with Fergie... He needs to calm down (http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZzbB48HNNtVQzM::blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images)
You have an unhealthy obsession with this thread ;)
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 27, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
Benitez recognises Keane's omission will cause controversy due to his 'high-profile', but he insists that is on a par to whenever Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson opts to shuffle his pack.
"He is expensive and high profile, yes. But Manchester United have bought plenty of players who cost £20m or more every single year. Sometimes more than one player. But nothing is said about them being left out," added Benitez.
:D :D
Fcuk off Rafa
You are nothing like Fergie........
Quote from: full back on January 27, 2009, 05:50:01 PM:D :D
Fcuk off Rafa
You are nothing like Fergie........
They both manage teams in the Premier League - that makes them alike, doesn't it?
Madness to sign a player over the managers head, makes sense why he won't sign a new contract until he gets more control over transfers. What does Rick Parry know about football anyhow. The Keane signing doesn't make sense, paying 20 million for a player that in 3-4 years is probably only going to be worth a couple of million.
in todays market dont think that it was that bad a price. when you think of price kaka quoted at and even bellamy at 14 million.
bellamy has signed for 6 sold for 7.5 and didnt do alot at anfield and is now 29
if you had told me that liverpool where to sign a striker 4 £20 million in the summer who was 6 months older and £10million cheaper than united i would have been happy enough. shame his performances have not warranted it s of yet...
Quote from: stiffler on January 27, 2009, 05:45:40 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 27, 2009, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 27, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
Benitez recognises Keane's omission will cause controversy due to his 'high-profile', but he insists that is on a par to whenever Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson opts to shuffle his pack.
"He is expensive and high profile, yes. But Manchester United have bought plenty of players who cost £20m or more every single year. Sometimes more than one player. But nothing is said about them being left out," added Benitez.
This man has an unhealthy obsession with Fergie... He needs to calm down (http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZzbB48HNNtVQzM::blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images)
You have an unhealthy obsession with this thread ;)
Not at all. This thread does my heart good. Especially the last few weeks ;)
Quote from: EC Unique on January 27, 2009, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 27, 2009, 04:48:24 PM
Benitez recognises Keane's omission will cause controversy due to his 'high-profile', but he insists that is on a par to whenever Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson opts to shuffle his pack.
"He is expensive and high profile, yes. But Manchester United have bought plenty of players who cost £20m or more every single year. Sometimes more than one player. But nothing is said about them being left out," added Benitez.
This man has an unhealthy obsession with Fergie... He needs to calm down (http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:ZzbB48HNNtVQzM::blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images)
It could be worse, you could be 3000 United fans who have just spent 90 minutes singing songs about Liverpool instead of singing about thier own team.
One classy thing Liverpool fans over United, you'' be hard pushed to hear Pool fans singing anti-United songs, more pro-Liverpool songs.
QuoteOne classy thing Liverpool fans over United, you'' be hard pushed to hear Pool fans singing anti-United songs, more pro-Liverpool songs.
I was at Anfield and heard Munich songs being sung constantly ... if that's not anti-United I d/k what is!
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 11:44:25 PM
QuoteOne classy thing Liverpool fans over United, you'' be hard pushed to hear Pool fans singing anti-United songs, more pro-Liverpool songs.
I was at Anfield and heard Munich songs being sung constantly ... if that's not anti-United I d/k what is!
I was at Anfield and I heard Hillsborough songs being sung, obviously games against each other are a given for songs being sung about each other.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 11:44:25 PM
QuoteOne classy thing Liverpool fans over United, you'' be hard pushed to hear Pool fans singing anti-United songs, more pro-Liverpool songs.
I was at Anfield and heard Munich songs being sung constantly ... if that's not anti-United I d/k what is!
Also must question your use of the word "constantly", having been at these matches the Hillsborough/Munich songs are sporaid by minorites, no way are they sung constantly.
On sky sports just there they were saying Keane back to Spurs and Lennon going to Anfield could be on the cards
QuoteOne classy thing Liverpool fans over United, you'' be hard pushed to hear Pool fans singing anti-United songs.......
.......I was at Anfield and I heard Hillsborough songs being sung, obviously games against each other are a given for songs being sung about each other.
Make your mind up!!
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 11:58:32 PM
QuoteOne classy thing Liverpool fans over United, you'' be hard pushed to hear Pool fans singing anti-United songs.......
.......I was at Anfield and I heard Hillsborough songs being sung, obviously games against each other are a given for songs being sung about each other.
Make your mind up!!
Try and keep up there.
As I said games between the two sides are excluded, of course there is going to be banter/sick chanting between the two sets of supportesrs.
Keep an ear out for howe many Liverpool songs actually involved United tomorrow night.
QuoteKeep an ear out for howe many Liverpool songs actually involved United tomorrow night.
All I heard tonight was about Rafa cracking up. Hardly anti-Liverpool! Have ye no sense of humour?
What on earth would the Liverpool fans have to sing about United tomorrow? "We were 9 points ahead now we're 3 behind??
If Livepool caught and overtook United in similar circumstances there'd be
plenty of songs on the go!
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2009, 12:08:30 AM
All I heard tonight was about Rafa cracking up. Hardly anti-Liverpool! Have ye no sense of humour?
What on earth would the Liverpool fans have to sing about United tomorrow? "We were 9 points ahead now we're 3 behind?
If Livepool caught and overtook United in similar circumstances there'd be plenty of songs on the go!
I watched five minutes coverage. I heard that Rafa chant, plus a new one I couldn't hear. Feed the Scousers and a few other Scourser ones I didn;t know, constant, constant, constant.
United fans were singing about Liverpool when they were down in fourth, they would do it if they were 20 ahead or 20 behind.
Bar the odd twat sining about Muich, if Liverpool caught and overtook United as you said, I can gurantee the songs that would be sung would be Top of the league, etc, etc.
It's actually not just an observation. It is a tradition that Pool fans have from down the years and you are leaving yourself to ridcule if you break it, Of course, with the genuine fans dying out, it is losing its way a bit, but away support is still generally made up of Liverpol natives.
I was at a Pool match the night Blackburn beat United 4-3 two or three years back, a few boys started off with "stand up if you hate Man U" - they took some abuse.
A nice tradition, I like it.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2009, 12:08:30 AM
All I heard tonight was about Rafa cracking up. Hardly anti-Liverpool! Have ye no sense of humour?
What on earth would the Liverpool fans have to sing about United tomorrow? "We were 9 points ahead now we're 3 behind?
If Livepool caught and overtook United in similar circumstances there'd be plenty of songs on the go!
I watched five minutes coverage. I heard that Rafa chant, plus a new one I couldn't hear. Feed the Scousers and a few other Scourser ones I didn;t know, constant, constant, constant.
United fans were singing about Liverpool when they were down in fourth, they would do it if they were 20 ahead or 20 behind.
Bar the odd t**t sining about Muich, if Liverpool caught and overtook United as you said, I can gurantee the songs that would be sung would be Top of the league, etc, etc.
It's actually not just an observation. It is a tradition that Pool fans have from down the years and you are leaving yourself to ridcule if you break it, Of course, with the genuine fans dying out, it is losing its way a bit, but away support is still generally made up of Liverpol natives.
I was at a Pool match the night Blackburn beat United 4-3 two or three years back, a few boys started off with "stand up if you hate Man U" - they took some abuse.
A nice tradition, I like it.
Who gives a f**k what United fans sing about Liverpool or vice versa,there are scumbags in both sets of supporters
I have more interest in whats happening on the pitch
Quote from: hardstation on January 28, 2009, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 12:18:41 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2009, 12:08:30 AM
All I heard tonight was about Rafa cracking up. Hardly anti-Liverpool! Have ye no sense of humour?
What on earth would the Liverpool fans have to sing about United tomorrow? "We were 9 points ahead now we're 3 behind?
If Livepool caught and overtook United in similar circumstances there'd be plenty of songs on the go!
I watched five minutes coverage. I heard that Rafa chant, plus a new one I couldn't hear. Feed the Scousers and a few other Scourser ones I didn;t know, constant, constant, constant.
United fans were singing about Liverpool when they were down in fourth, they would do it if they were 20 ahead or 20 behind.
Bar the odd t**t sining about Muich, if Liverpool caught and overtook United as you said, I can gurantee the songs that would be sung would be Top of the league, etc, etc.
It's actually not just an observation. It is a tradition that Pool fans have from down the years and you are leaving yourself to ridcule if you break it, Of course, with the genuine fans dying out, it is losing its way a bit, but away support is still generally made up of Liverpol natives.
I was at a Pool match the night Blackburn beat United 4-3 two or three years back, a few boys started off with "stand up if you hate Man U" - they took some abuse.
A nice tradition, I like it.
Who gives a f**k what United fans sing about Liverpool or vice versa,there are scumbags in both sets of supporters
I have more interest in whats happening on the pitch
You speak sense (at last ;))
I'll mind that Hs
Look at Villa - level with Liverpool now and ahead of Chelsea! :o
Liverpool better pull it together tomorrow night - United have stopped slipping up, so the form of the past two months will not do it anymore. Draw tomorrow night and lose to Chelsea at the weekend and they'll be virtually out of it.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 12:18:41 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2009, 12:08:30 AM
All I heard tonight was about Rafa cracking up. Hardly anti-Liverpool! Have ye no sense of humour?
What on earth would the Liverpool fans have to sing about United tomorrow? "We were 9 points ahead now we're 3 behind?
If Livepool caught and overtook United in similar circumstances there'd be plenty of songs on the go!
I watched five minutes coverage. I heard that Rafa chant, plus a new one I couldn't hear. Feed the Scousers and a few other Scourser ones I didn;t know, constant, constant, constant.
United fans were singing about Liverpool when they were down in fourth, they would do it if they were 20 ahead or 20 behind.
Bar the odd t**t sining about Muich, if Liverpool caught and overtook United as you said, I can gurantee the songs that would be sung would be Top of the league, etc, etc.
It's actually not just an observation. It is a tradition that Pool fans have from down the years and you are leaving yourself to ridcule if you break it, Of course, with the genuine fans dying out, it is losing its way a bit, but away support is still generally made up of Liverpol natives.
I was at a Pool match the night Blackburn beat United 4-3 two or three years back, a few boys started off with "stand up if you hate Man U" - they took some abuse.
A nice tradition, I like it.
Who gives a f**k what United fans sing about Liverpool or vice versa,there are scumbags in both sets of supporters
I have more interest in whats happening on the pitch
My original point had nothing to do with Hillsborough/Munich.
Corn, you're getting a bit like Pints in some other threads... grumpier & grumpier!
Get down off that high horse!
The pressure is on now lads
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 09:08:05 AM
The pressure is on now lads
I know im really starting to feel it.
Corn is getting a bit like Rafa
He is cracking up...... ;)
Liverpool 4th by the end of this weekends matches!
Quote from: EC Unique on January 28, 2009, 09:34:18 AM
Liverpool 4th by the end of this weekends matches!
Fcuk that & the season ends this weekend. Ah well always next year..........
Quote from: Minder on January 28, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: EC Unique on January 28, 2009, 09:34:18 AM
Liverpool 4th by the end of this weekends matches!
Fcuk that & the season ends this weekend. Ah well always next year..........
;) :D :D
Bentez Drops Keane Hint
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4861510,00.html
Corn I'd have to take issue with your statement about United fans concentrating their songs on Liverpool. They went through a fair repertoire of songs last night including one about Andy Cole from what I heard. Vast majority pro-United. Also I think your assertion of Liverpool fans having more class in this area is a bit shaky at best.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 28, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Corn I'd have to take issue with your statement about United fans concentrating their songs on Liverpool. They went through a fair repertoire of songs last night including one about Andy Cole from what I heard. Vast majority pro-United. Also I think your assertion of Liverpool fans having more class in this area is a bit shaky at best.
I think his point is United fans generally have lots of songs about Liverpool or referring to scousers and sing them even when playing other teams. I don't think Liverpool fans have any songs about United. I've even seen United fans on Liverpool forums accepting this strange quirk in the relationship between the two clubs. Of course United have lots of songs about United as well.
This is of course leaving out when the two clubs actually play each other and you might hear the odd Hillsborough/Munich stuff.
Don't think it's that big a deal to be honest. The culture is different between both sets of supporters anyway.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 27, 2009, 11:44:25 PM
QuoteOne classy thing Liverpool fans over United, you'' be hard pushed to hear Pool fans singing anti-United songs, more pro-Liverpool songs.
I was at Anfield and heard Munich songs being sung constantly ... if that's not anti-United I d/k what is!
when?
I'm no Sherlock, but this is the way the next two games will play out...Rafa's hand is forced and even he isnt stubborn enough not to pick what he genuinely thinks is his best starting 11. Liverpool win and the revival starts....well until the next game at the weekend, when Keane is dropped (after scoring tonight), Benayoun and Lucas start and another draw is the result.
PQ
Quote from: peterquaife on January 28, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
I'm no Sherlock, but this is the way the next two games will play out...Rafa's hand is forced and even he isnt stubborn enough not to pick what he genuinely thinks is his best starting 11. Liverpool win and the revival starts....well until the next game at the weekend, when Keane is dropped (after scoring tonight), Benayoun and Lucas start and another draw is the result.
PQ
Against Chelsea? I hope to god not
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 28, 2009, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 28, 2009, 11:48:55 AM
Corn I'd have to take issue with your statement about United fans concentrating their songs on Liverpool. They went through a fair repertoire of songs last night including one about Andy Cole from what I heard. Vast majority pro-United. Also I think your assertion of Liverpool fans having more class in this area is a bit shaky at best.
I think his point is United fans generally have lots of songs about Liverpool or referring to scousers and sing them even when playing other teams. I don't think Liverpool fans have any songs about United. I've even seen United fans on Liverpool forums accepting this strange quirk in the relationship between the two clubs. Of course United have lots of songs about United as well.
This is of course leaving out when the two clubs actually play each other and you might hear the odd Hillsborough/Munich stuff.
Don't think it's that big a deal to be honest. The culture is different between both sets of supporters anyway.
Seanie, what he said!
I don't think it is shaky to be fair. It's a tradition of the club - one I really like. My favourite tradition is sitll appluading the opposition keeper even if it is United's keeper (and of course YNWA).
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on January 28, 2009, 08:05:34 AM
Corn, you're getting a bit like Pints in some other threads... grumpier & grumpier!
Get down off that high horse!
On a high horse? No
Grumpier? Yes
Quote from: gawa316 on January 28, 2009, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 28, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
I'm no Sherlock, but this is the way the next two games will play out...Rafa's hand is forced and even he isnt stubborn enough not to pick what he genuinely thinks is his best starting 11. Liverpool win and the revival starts....well until the next game at the weekend, when Keane is dropped (after scoring tonight), Benayoun and Lucas start and another draw is the result.
PQ
Against Chelsea? I hope to god not
fair enough..he'll stick with with his best side for the next 2 (yes, 2 whole games) and then as we were...
PQ
Quote from: peterquaife on January 28, 2009, 12:45:15 PM
I'm no Sherlock, but this is the way the next two games will play out...Rafa's hand is forced and even he isnt stubborn enough not to pick what he genuinely thinks is his best starting 11. Liverpool win and the revival starts....well until the next game at the weekend, when Keane is dropped (after scoring tonight), Benayoun and Lucas start and another draw is the result.
PQ
Predicting Rafa's teams is a fool's errand, but no better man...
I think he'll stick with 4-2-3-1. Aurelio may challenge Dossena for left back, though Dossena did reasonably well at the weekend. Mascherano protecting the back 4, Alonso to control the middle and then 3 lads supporting Torres, probably Kuyt-Gerrard-Riera.
With Gerrard and Torres linking up well again, Mascherano finally finding some form and Alonso being consistently good, I think this will be the formation for the rest of the season (assuming those mentioned are always available). Keane will be on the bench, and hopefully he'll get a run. I'd like to see what he could contribute in Kuyt's position in that formation.
Either way we need a minimum of 4 points from these two games this week but probably more like all 6 given the run that Man U are on and the fact that Chelsea, Arsenal and Villa are all right behind us.
I reckon we need all 6, which is looking doubtful with the form we are in, especially as utd never look like conceding never mind dropping points
QuoteI was at Anfield and heard Munich songs being sung constantly ... if that's not anti-United I d/k what is!
when?
At the FA cup match when Crouch won it 1-0 for Liverpool. The Munich abuse was constant throughout near the away end. The away fans were every bit as bad mind you. Whoever had the bright idea of putting Liverpool fans above the Utd fans should be shot as coins & liquids/p*ss rained down throughout the game.
Gerrard took a corner at the away end and some coins were thrown. He picked up the coins, went to a steward with them and pointed towards a fan and the stewards & police weighed in and pulled him out, much to the delight of the Liverpool fans. How Gerrard thought he knew it was him is beyond me as he didnt once look over at the Utd fans.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2009, 03:07:09 PM
QuoteI was at Anfield and heard Munich songs being sung constantly ... if that's not anti-United I d/k what is!
when?
At the FA cup match when Crouch won it 1-0 for Liverpool. The Munich abuse was constant throughout near the away end. The away fans were every bit as bad mind you. Whoever had the bright idea of putting Liverpool fans above the Utd fans should be shot as coins & liquids/p*ss rained down throughout the game.
Gerrard took a corner at the away end and some coins were thrown. He picked up the coins, went to a steward with them and pointed towards a fan and the stewards & police weighed in and pulled him out, much to the delight of the Liverpool fans. How Gerrard thought he knew it was him is beyond me as he didnt once look over at the Utd fans.
Was ath that match myself OTB, some atmosphere due to 6k United fans as well.
Was at the Kop end so couldn't make out Munich/Hillsborough because, I would imagine, it was relatively a small minority from both?
Yeah Pool fans have half bottle of piss thrown at them in OT too, disgusting by both fans.
Pool fans are always abover Inuted fans, just seemed to be a few absolute dogs in the Pool crowd that day.
Kewell absolutely busting Neville was one of the loudest cheers I have heard at Anfield, it was the match after the badge-kissing episode. Only decenet thing he done for the Pool. :P
Can we stop this f**king sh*te about singing songs ?? ?? It ruined the thread the last time and contribute actually nothing to the current thread
Quote4. Inappropriate posts, incitement or racist posting.
This is a very broad topic, and can be the most subjective in the way the moderators view things. In general, it would be the 'good manners' rule. Specific examples of inappropriate posts would be the following. (This list is by no means conclusive)
- Abusive posts between fans of soccer teams, clearly not part of good humoured banter. Mentions of Hillsborough, Munich, Heysel or alluding to these incidents in a way designed to incite other posters to break forum rules.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2009, 03:07:09 PM
QuoteI was at Anfield and heard Munich songs being sung constantly ... if that's not anti-United I d/k what is!
when?
At the FA cup match when Crouch won it 1-0 for Liverpool. The Munich abuse was constant throughout near the away end. The away fans were every bit as bad mind you. Whoever had the bright idea of putting Liverpool fans above the Utd fans should be shot as coins & liquids/p*ss rained down throughout the game.
Gerrard took a corner at the away end and some coins were thrown. He picked up the coins, went to a steward with them and pointed towards a fan and the stewards & police weighed in and pulled him out, much to the delight of the Liverpool fans. How Gerrard thought he knew it was him is beyond me as he didnt once look over at the Utd fans.
Was ath that match myself OTB, some atmosphere due to 6k United fans as well.
Was at the Kop end so couldn't make out Munich/Hillsborough because, I would imagine, it was relatively a small minority from both?
Yeah Pool fans have half bottle of piss thrown at them in OT too, disgusting by both fans.
Pool fans are always abover Inuted fans, just seemed to be a few absolute dogs in the Pool crowd that day.
Kewell absolutely busting Neville was one of the loudest cheers I have heard at Anfield, it was the match after the badge-kissing episode. Only decenet thing he done for the Pool. :P
Christ almighty can we get over this who sang what song when bullshite... ::)
Too much infantile trolling being done on these threads lately alright.
It's a bannable offence on other boards
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 03:30:40 PM
Can we stop this f**king sh*te about singing songs ?? ??
It ruined the thread the last time and contribute actually nothing to the current thread
Quote4. Inappropriate posts, incitement or racist posting.
This is a very broad topic, and can be the most subjective in the way the moderators view things. In general, it would be the 'good manners' rule. Specific examples of inappropriate posts would be the following. (This list is by no means conclusive)
- Abusive posts between fans of soccer teams, clearly not part of good humoured banter. Mentions of Hillsborough, Munich, Heysel or alluding to these incidents in a way designed to incite other posters to break forum rules.
Well that's bullshit for a start. Me and OTB ae having discussion about the songs, there has been no attempt by either of us to provoke the other.
Someone asked OTB when the songs were sung, he responded, I responded with a comment about said match.
Noone has denied fans sing these songs, no one has debated the point.
QuoteMe and OTB ae having discussion about the songs
and that adds what to the thread?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 03:40:50 PM
QuoteMe and OTB ae having discussion about the songs
and that adds what to the thread?
It is a
discussion thread, I can not see how anybody could be annoyed be our discussion. Should I review each post to see if it meets the entertainment standards set out?
Jesus, slight overreaction there.
Liverpool fans yapping at Liverpool fans. Things are definatly getting worse for yous :D
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 03:46:23 PM
Liverpool fans yapping at Liverpool fans. Things are definatly getting worse for yous :D
They have us on the ropes lads, i need radio silence from here on in. Over & out.
No harm corn, but it is tiresome, although it is a discussion board, sometimes less said is better. My da is bigger than your da, our fans are better than your fans. What next, our corner flags are better than yours???
Simply put, Man Utd have asshole fans who sing asshole songs, ditto Liverpool.
Can we get back to the far more important matter of trying to beat Wigan and Chelski and making up the lost ground that has been given over recent weeks.
What odds on fatty Mido coming off the bench to score a late equaliser for Wigan?
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 03:45:10 PMIt is a discussion thread, I can not see how anybody could be annoyed be our discussion.
Jesus, slight overreaction there.
Two of our biggest matches of the season are coming up and the last 3 pages have been about songs that may or may not have been sung at matches in the past
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 28, 2009, 03:54:10 PMWhat odds on fatty Mido coming off the bench to score a late equaliser for Wigan?
That'd kill me - there's an Egyptian fella at work who is always banging on about Mido and Zaki - if either of them scored tonight >:(
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 28, 2009, 03:54:10 PM
Simply put, Man Utd have asshole fans who sing asshole songs, ditto Liverpool.
But that is pretty much what was agreed on by myself and our United compatriot, but, if it annoyed, i'll not mention it from no on lads. Apolgoies if it did annoy anyone.
Wigan, and especially Wigan under Bruce, will be a nightmare. Our away form is better, we get to play a more expansive wing game and I if Kuyt is not playing the lone striker role, I wouldn't mind going with Reira and Yossi tonight.
As usual a quick start is key, A blitz like the Newcastle game and we could win handy. 0-0 fter 70 minutes and Wigan will nick it.
didn't zaki score twice at anfield?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 03:45:10 PMIt is a discussion thread, I can not see how anybody could be annoyed be our discussion.
Jesus, slight overreaction there.
Two of our biggest matches of the season are coming up and the last 3 pages have been about songs that may or may not have been sung at matches in the past
Oh that's right. The Liverpool thread is just about matches. In the summer the thread should be closed down because we won;t be playing matches.
But, as I said, if it annoyed you, apologies.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
didn't zaki score twice at anfield?
Yip second one an absolute corker.
oK to keep Hurl happy. :P
Very little talk of Torres' flick the other night. Mirror described it as one of the freat FA Cup moments. It was pure magic.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
didn't zaki score twice at anfield?
that he did - but the Zaki of that time is not the same Zaki as we are seeing now
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 03:59:55 PM
oK to keep Hurl happy. :P
Very little talk of Torres' flick the other night. Mirror described it as one of the freat FA Cup moments. It was pure magic.
No harm done corn ;) - like I said - it just all that craic bores the hole of me. You are actually one of the better posters in this thread
Yeah but Wigan aren't the same team now either,From what I remember they were struggling back then when the came to Anfield and Liverpool struggled to beat them then..
Wigan are flying at the moment,I wouldn't be to optimistic about tonight to be honest
QuoteoK to keep Hurl happy.
Very little talk of Torres' flick the other night. Mirror described it as one of the freat FA Cup moments. It was pure magic.
It reminded me of Canavan's pass to Stevie O'Neill in the game v Dublin in 2005 and just like that piece of skill will not be remembered as well due to lack of finish applied.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 03:59:55 PM
oK to keep Hurl happy. :P
Very little talk of Torres' flick the other night. Mirror described it as one of the freat FA Cup moments. It was pure magic.
No harm done corn ;) - like I said - it just all that craic bores the hole of me. You are actually one of the better posters in this thread
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QuoteWigan are flying at the moment,I wouldn't be to optimistic about tonight to be honest
Wigan have just sold their 2 of their main threats in Palacios and Heskey so there's never a better time to play them
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 28, 2009, 04:07:15 PM
It reminded me of Canavan's pass to Stevie O'Neill in the game v Dublin in 2005 and just like that piece of skill will not be remembered as well due to lack of finish applied.
Jaysus OTB - I was just watching that match last night :D
Wigan are flying at the minute - but they have lost 3 games at home this season and are prone to letting the goals in there.
Liverpool have been perfect against them at their ground since they were promoted, winning 3 from 3 and conceding zero goals
Team for tonight
Reina
Arbeloa Carragher Skrtel Dossena
Kuyt Alonso Mascherano Riera
Gerrard
Torres
Is that official Gab?
Wigan should have won at Anfield..... hopefully they will get their just reward tonight..... ;)
Nah Carmen - it's a bit early for the team to be announced - I'd like to see that though
Is it just me or has Dossena been pretty good since his return from the injury? Thought he was excellent on Sunday
He had a good game at the weekend. Coming from italian football into the premiership has got to be the toughest transition for an overseas player with the two styles being so different, so hopefully he is over that part and makes continued progress. Cant be that bad seeing he has several Italian caps.
Thats should be the team all right but would like to see someone else out right cause we got to get at Wigan from the off, three points vital and as that puke OTB has said Wigan have lost there two main threats so no better time to get them!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 28, 2009, 04:32:56 PM
He had a good game at the weekend. Coming from italian football into the premiership has got to be the toughest transition for an overseas player with the two styles being so different, so hopefully he is over that part and makes continued progress. Cant be that bad seeing he has several Italian caps.
Thats should be the team all right but would like to see someone else out right cause we got to get at Wigan from the off, three points vital and as that puke OTB has said Wigan have lost there two main threats so no better time to get them!
I wouldn't describe Heskey and Palacios as their two main threats. Those are obviously Zaki and Valencia. Still they have lost two important players for them.
Palacios was their best player, Zaki hasnt scored too many since those two at Anfield. We have to win tonight and hopefully the team is set up to go for the win.
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Ole!!!!!
Wigan are definitely a bogey side. Remember even Titus useless hole Bramble scoring a screamer from 20 yards against us. Last minute as well I think. That even surpassed Gerry Taggart scoring against us for Leicester some years back!
Quote from: Minder on January 28, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
Palacios was their best player, Zaki hasnt scored too many since those two at Anfield. We have to win tonight and hopefully the team is set up to go for the win.
Palacios was a good player but was their defensive midfielder hence why Spurs wanted him. Their two main attacking threats are Zaki and Valencia. Zaki has only got 3 goals alright since the Anfield game although he did miss a few games since then.
Quote from: Minder on January 28, 2009, 05:19:19 PM
Palacios was their best player, Zaki hasnt scored too many since those two at Anfield. We have to win tonight and hopefully the team is set up to go for the win.
That would make a change but I hope so too as it will be more entertaining to watch 8)
Liverpool team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Benayoun, Lucas, Mascherano, Babel, Gerrard, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Keane, Alonso, Riera, Kuyt.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 07:01:06 PM
Liverpool team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Benayoun, Lucas, Mascherano, Babel, Gerrard, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Keane, Alonso, Riera, Kuyt.
Xabi and Riera on the bench? And even Dirk?
Am always worried when Alonso hasn't started this season.
Benayoun, Lucas and Babel together in the same midfield. :o
I said earlier I hope he goes for Yossi and Reira, so not too disappointed to see Yossi and Babel, but, as you say, midfield looks lightweight without Alonso.
We have to get something here
Wigan: Pollitt, Melchior, Boyce, Scharner, Figueroa, Taylor, Cattermole, Brown, de Ridder, Mido, Zaki.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 07:28:49 PM
We have to get something here
Wigan: Pollitt, Melchior, Boyce, Scharner, Figueroa, Taylor, Cattermole, Brown, de Ridder, Mido, Zaki.
No Valencia or Kirkland either.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 03:58:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
didn't zaki score twice at anfield?
Yip second one an absolute corker.
think you came that day around 16:45 corn 2 from the diggler!
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 28, 2009, 07:31:17 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 03:58:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 03:58:00 PM
didn't zaki score twice at anfield?
Yip second one an absolute corker.
think you came that day around 16:45 corn 2 from the diggler!
I'm going to be honest, I wasn't far off.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 07:01:06 PM
Liverpool team in full: Reina, Arbeloa, Carragher, Skrtel, Aurelio, Benayoun, Lucas, Mascherano, Babel, Gerrard, Torres.
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Keane, Alonso, Riera, Kuyt.
promotion 4 robbie!!
team seems to be picked alot with sun in mid.alonso, kuyt, riera would all start sun i would imagine.
Risky stategy to start Lucas instead of Alonso. That looks a weak midfield imo
I thought it was on TV....
Any links?
http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/wed28.1/Wigan_Liverpool2.html
Torres hits the post. Bugger.
Very poor so far
that's an excellent link, great quality.
GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Great finish by Benny ;D
Twas a fair tight angle
Great finish by Benayoun, i thought he had over run it.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 08:28:59 PM
GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Happy days. Can't get a feckin link to work aaaggghhhhh!!!
Channel - 69467 fox soccer channel on sopcast
Quote from: Stalin on January 28, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
Channel - 69467 fox soccer channel on sopcast
How do i get that up?
My link stopped working just as he was rounded the keeper it took 10secs for it to come back,all I had was a still picture with Benny just about to shoot :D
f**k me pink that was close from Stevie G
I said without Alonso they looked lightweight, but Masch and Lucas have been very imprrsive imo.
Would have been some goal by Gerrard.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 08:36:43 PM
I said without Alonso they looked lightweight, but Masch and Lucas have been very imprrsive imo.
Would have been some goal by Gerrard.
I still think we are playing poor enough..
On a good note Babel is doing ok..which is a big step up from shite
Just an ok first half, great finish by Benny, and Babel is indeed doing ok. Wigan have to push a little more to look for a goal so should give Gerrard and Torres a litte more room to work with.
Finally got the link to work, cheers Hurl. it's deadly quality.
Seen benny's goal, feck what an angle?!
They are giving the ball away so cheaply
Reira for Torres??????
Keane has to be the next sub!
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 28, 2009, 09:19:28 PM
Reira for Torres??????
Keane has to be the next sub!
I know he is unreal, but Torres was very poor tonight. Babel will push up beside Gerarrd. Kuyt on for Yossi - very good shift.
the golden labrador is on now
Take off both Torres and Benyaoun and still no room for Robbie? Time to pack the bags
Penalty to Wigan.
f**king LUCAS!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
omg!!
That Lucas lad can't tackle without fouling. Dreadful.
:'(
Will they ever f**king learn?
Same old story. that's that then.
Not gloating. Why does Benitez refuse to play without a striker for the length of time he did? Hostage to fortune. Ye might still sneak one though
Holy f**k >:(
Pathetic
Unbelievable. A game they were coasting to victory for the vast majority of they nearly end up losing.
that's it - Rafa has to go
They got what they deserved.
If Villa beat Wigan on Saturday we will be fourth going in to the Chelsea game on Sunday.......
I ask this not because of tonights game nor am I suddenly jumping on a bandwagon but does Rafa have what it takes to win a Premier League ?
I am seriously starting to doubt it..
Pretty gutting there.
Lucas had been one of our standout players ands then he goes and does that, unbelievable.
We were playing well, coasting. Hard to see us winning the title now, plenty of games left though.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 09:41:38 PM
that's it - Rafa has to go
Will you catch a grip man.
I can't wait for you to try and defend his decisions tonight
Torres off and he puts on a midfielder.
Then goes 1-1 and he takes off Gerrard for Keane. Fair enough it wasn't one of Gerrard's better games but if you need a goal you don't take him off no matter what.
Daft.
And Lucas I swear I would tie him to a block of cement and dump him in the Mersey. Can't tackle without fouling.
Gerrard off! WTF is he thinking. Crazy, absolutely crazy. Gets what he deserves, can't understand him at all and can't see how that sort of decision making can be defended
Only for Spurs last minute goal against us we could have be the first team to go thru the whole season unbeaten and still not win the league :-[
If Benitez studies the game as much as everyone says, then he needs to study this one - why are his sides (and i use the word 'sides') drawing so many games. It's been a theme of his management - too many draws. Go up 1-0 but it's never enough to hold on to. A shot at the title is slipping further away with each game.
And Dirk, if you do get a chance in the box, try not to handle the ball ffs.
Sin mar a bhfuil lads.
Cheers Rafa. Your cowardly tactics have gotten their just desserts several times this season, and come May we'll be saying "Oh but if we had beaten Stoke and Fulham and Blah de blah blah".
No excuse for that tonight! Rafa solely to blame. Surely you start your strongest team , wonder what Chelseas line up was tonight?
Hope you all seen enough of Kuyt tonight, man makes me vomit!
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 09:43:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 09:41:38 PM
that's it - Rafa has to go
Will you catch a grip man.
I can't wait for you to try and defend his decisions tonight
Ok well I wasn't referring in tonight in particular but Reira on for a very ineffective Torres, push Babel up fair enough.
Kuyt on for Yoissi, no problem, plays one unbelievable ball.
Keane on for Gerrad, ok not too happy about that. He was shockingly sloppy in the second period, hopefulyl Hound was counting the amount of times he was giving away like he was with Kuyt the other day. Its going more offensive, but he shouldn;t have taken him off.
But in general we are in the last 16 of the Champions League and two points off the top and you are calling for the manager to be sacked, incredible.
Quotethat's it - Rafa has to go
Will you catch a grip man.
Nooooooooo! Rafa for a 10 year contract! ;)
As a matter of interest, how many points are we better off this season than last, in relation to our own performance. I see f*ck all improvement, except that United and Chelsea were worse than usual in the first few months. Liverpool will finish +10 behind United.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 28, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
Hope you all seen enough of Kuyt tonight, man makes me vomit!
Kuyt was on for what, 10 minutes?
One ball to Gerrard was sublime, handled in the box error and the man makes you vomit? Wise up.
Have strongly defended Rafa in the past but I have little, if any, faith left.
His decisions at key times in past month have been baffling. Looking for a 1-0 or appearing happy with a draw. Far too cautious to win a Premiiership. Handed the baton to the Manc's big time in last few months and heaped pressure on his own team by his tactics.
I really don't know how we move on from here. Bad, bad times from such a strong first half of season.
Gerrard off ??? That must have given Wigan such a lift. Alonso left on bench, esp when you looking to hold the ball and a 1-0.
Gutted.
In Rafe we trust......i think not anymore.
Un-defendable management c**k ups cost the win. Got what he deserved and will not be in Liverpool next season. (I hope he is) What now for Keane?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 09:51:14 PM
As a matter of interest, how many points are we better off this season than last, in relation to our own performance. I see f*ck all improvement, except that United and Chelsea were worse than usual in the first few months. Liverpool will finish +10 behind United.
Point I raised last week, we have been playing as poorly this season as last year, Uniteds poor start hid that fact.
How are we looking for Alonso on to hold the ball and then say we needed to ppush forward.
Disappointment aside I thought we played well tonight and we pushed forward in search of the second. Not enough chance creatin, but we were driving forward in droves.
Which adds credence to the fact that I'm not sure we're progressing any more under Benitez. I think over the first few years there was improvement, slow, but steady enough. This season, despite league position, I think we are playing with very little flair or imagination, and are only slightly closer due to the struggles of United and Chelsea early on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 09:51:14 PM
As a matter of interest, how many points are we better off this season than last, in relation to our own performance. I see f*ck all improvement, except that United and Chelsea were worse than usual in the first few months. Liverpool will finish +10 behind United.
Just goes to show you how bad things are when I have to agree with my Biffo friend...
Quote from: bingobus on January 28, 2009, 09:51:46 PM
Have strongly defended Rafa in the past but I have little, if any, faith left.
His decisions at key times in past month have been baffling. Looking for a 1-0 or appearing happy with a draw. Far too cautious to win a Premiiership. Handed the baton to the Manc's big time in last few months and heaped pressure on his own team by his tactics.
I really don't know how we move on from here. Bad, bad times from such a strong first half of season.
Gerrard off ??? That must have given Wigan such a lift. Alonso left on bench, esp when you looking to hold the ball and a 1-0.
Gutted.
In Rafe we trust......i think not anymore.
My faith is slippin also, but I satill keep the faith due to the fantastic position we are in this season. The fact that it could have been so much better is the gutting part.
He is a tad conservative, but some posters on here would like to start with Reina and 10 forwards. A look through the points dropped and in reality the only games where we didn't push forward in droves was Stoke, Arsenal and Everton.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:53:46 PM
How are we looking for Alonso on to hold the ball and then say we needed to ppush forward.
Disappointment aside I thought we played well tonight and we pushed forward in search of the second. Not enough chance creatin, but we were driving forward in droves.
corn, Pushing forward, aka being positive, does not mean the fecking charge of the light brigade. Keeping the ball, passing and moving, getting behind the opposition, making them work is what good teams do. Any bunch of gobshites can run forwad aimlessly hoping to get a lucky break.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: bingobus on January 28, 2009, 09:51:46 PM
Have strongly defended Rafa in the past but I have little, if any, faith left.
His decisions at key times in past month have been baffling. Looking for a 1-0 or appearing happy with a draw. Far too cautious to win a Premiiership. Handed the baton to the Manc's big time in last few months and heaped pressure on his own team by his tactics.
I really don't know how we move on from here. Bad, bad times from such a strong first half of season.
Gerrard off ??? That must have given Wigan such a lift. Alonso left on bench, esp when you looking to hold the ball and a 1-0.
Gutted.
In Rafe we trust......i think not anymore.
My faith is slippin also, but I satill keep the faith due to the fantastic position we are in this season. The fact that it could have been so much better is the gutting part.
He is a tad conservative, but some posters on here would like to start with Reina and 10 forwards. A look through the points dropped and in reality the only games where we didn't push forward in droves was Stoke, Arsenal and Everton.
Fantastic position ???
A draw with Chelsea over the weekend and a Villa win, will put us to 4th.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 09:51:14 PM
As a matter of interest, how many points are we better off this season than last, in relation to our own performance. I see f*ck all improvement, except that United and Chelsea were worse than usual in the first few months. Liverpool will finish +10 behind United.
Absolutely, we benefitted from a sloppy first half of the season from United and Chelsea. Now anyone with any sense knew that kind of form was only temporary and we couldnt/wouldnt/were not good enough to take advantage. United will be 5 ahead soon and will probably end up 10+ ahead by seasons end. I actually thought it was a pretty shit performance tonight, there was a bit of the headless chicken about tonight. Someone said we were "coasting", if you are coasting put the f**king ball in the net another couple of times then.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: bingobus on January 28, 2009, 09:51:46 PM
Have strongly defended Rafa in the past but I have little, if any, faith left.
His decisions at key times in past month have been baffling. Looking for a 1-0 or appearing happy with a draw. Far too cautious to win a Premiiership. Handed the baton to the Manc's big time in last few months and heaped pressure on his own team by his tactics.
I really don't know how we move on from here. Bad, bad times from such a strong first half of season.
Gerrard off ??? That must have given Wigan such a lift. Alonso left on bench, esp when you looking to hold the ball and a 1-0.
Gutted.
In Rafe we trust......i think not anymore.
My faith is slippin also, but I satill keep the faith due to the fantastic position we are in this season. The fact that it could have been so much better is the gutting part.
He is a tad conservative, but some posters on here would like to start with Reina and 10 forwards. A look through the points dropped and in reality the only games where we didn't push forward in droves was Stoke, Arsenal and Everton.
Fantastic position ???
A draw with Chelsea over the weekend and a Villa win, will put us to 4th.
Two points off the top going into February is very good, maybe not fantastic. I am sure you would have grabbed that before the start of the season.
corn, can you please stop equating 'pushing forwards in droves' with being creative, imaginative or positive. That's the last refuge of a team who are frustrated themselves and who don't have the quality or ideas to play really good attacking soccer.
Ara, I'm just grumpy tonight after that shite, the latest in a long line of steaming turds dropped by Rafa over the past 2 months or so.
Rafa has seriously lost the plot in the last month. I don't know whether it's from a combination of his spat with Ferguson, the row over transfer dealings with the owners and all the fuss over Keane's treatment but either way it's all combined into one big mess. His eye doesn't seem to be on the ball at all at the moment.
I've said before that I'd be happy to see him go in the Summer but I'd be afraid that the likes of Torres would follow him back to Spain.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 09:58:57 PM
corn, can you please stop equating 'pushing forwards in droves' with being creative, imaginative or positive. That's the last refuge of a team who are frustrated themselves and who don't have the quality or ideas to play really good attacking soccer.
Ara, I'm just grumpy tonight after that shite, the latest in a long line of steaming turds dropped by Rafa over the past 2 months or so.
Ok fair enough, but we did push forward and we created chances. I would label that as positive, can;t see how it is not to be honest.
Creative? Torres perhaps our best in that regard, but he was poor tonight. Yossi was creative tonight but that double drag-back thing says a lot about him, superb build up , no end product - that should have been two.
Imaginative? Hmm don't know. Again Torres is the man here, but even he isn;t as imaginative as Berbatov or Rooney.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: bingobus on January 28, 2009, 09:51:46 PM
Have strongly defended Rafa in the past but I have little, if any, faith left.
His decisions at key times in past month have been baffling. Looking for a 1-0 or appearing happy with a draw. Far too cautious to win a Premiiership. Handed the baton to the Manc's big time in last few months and heaped pressure on his own team by his tactics.
I really don't know how we move on from here. Bad, bad times from such a strong first half of season.
Gerrard off ??? That must have given Wigan such a lift. Alonso left on bench, esp when you looking to hold the ball and a 1-0.
Gutted.
In Rafe we trust......i think not anymore.
My faith is slippin also, but I satill keep the faith due to the fantastic position we are in this season. The fact that it could have been so much better is the gutting part.
He is a tad conservative, but some posters on here would like to start with Reina and 10 forwards. A look through the points dropped and in reality the only games where we didn't push forward in droves was Stoke, Arsenal and Everton.
Fantastic position ???
A draw with Chelsea over the weekend and a Villa win, will put us to 4th.
Two points off the top going into February is very good, maybe not fantastic. I am sure you would have grabbed that before the start of the season.
At the start of the season i would have hoped for the team to evolve a bit more, and it probably would not have been good enough to win the league, but a marked improvement in particular the team playing more offensively, but i dont think that can ever come with Benitez as manager. United and Chelsea will have improved again next year you would think, if Wenger is given the funds Arsenal wont be far away. We seem as far away as ever.
In fairness GBB, it's more deep rooted than that (his conservatism and safety first attitude). Back when LFC dropped points to Stoke at home, West Ham, Fulham etc etc we were saying the same things, but the fact that Chelsea and United were doing their best to allow us build up a good lead despite ourselves lessened the frustration.
Rafa is a good lad to set up teams against the better teams, because he'll negate them, and his teams work like trojans, to their credit. However, against lesser teams they possess neither the craft, the will, nor the means to pound them into submission. That's Rafa's way.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:58:45 PMTwo points off the top going into February is very good, maybe not fantastic. I am sure you would have grabbed that before the start of the season.
not good enough I'm afraid
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 09:58:57 PM
corn, can you please stop equating 'pushing forwards in droves' with being creative, imaginative or positive. That's the last refuge of a team who are frustrated themselves and who don't have the quality or ideas to play really good attacking soccer.
Ara, I'm just grumpy tonight after that shite, the latest in a long line of steaming turds dropped by Rafa over the past 2 months or so.
Ok fair enough, but we did push forward and we created chances. I would label that as positive, can;t see how it is not to be honest.
Creative? Torres perhaps our best in that regard, but he was poor tonight. Yossi was creative tonight but that double drag-back thing says a lot about him, superb build up , no end product - that should have been two.
Imaginative? Hmm don't know. Again Torres is the man here, but even he isn;t as imaginative as Berbatov or Rooney.
I know what you're saying, but in my mind 'trying to win the game' is not good enough, as measured against 'being set up to win the game'. A shite team can be 'positive' in the former sense, but only a good team, with a manager who likes to play good open football is consistantly able to say the latter.
Liverpool are too often set up to not lose the game, and hope that Gerrard or Torres will win it for them. That's not good enough to me.
Quote from: Minder on January 28, 2009, 10:03:24 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: bingobus on January 28, 2009, 09:51:46 PM
Have strongly defended Rafa in the past but I have little, if any, faith left.
His decisions at key times in past month have been baffling. Looking for a 1-0 or appearing happy with a draw. Far too cautious to win a Premiiership. Handed the baton to the Manc's big time in last few months and heaped pressure on his own team by his tactics.
I really don't know how we move on from here. Bad, bad times from such a strong first half of season.
Gerrard off ??? That must have given Wigan such a lift. Alonso left on bench, esp when you looking to hold the ball and a 1-0.
Gutted.
In Rafe we trust......i think not anymore.
My faith is slippin also, but I satill keep the faith due to the fantastic position we are in this season. The fact that it could have been so much better is the gutting part.
He is a tad conservative, but some posters on here would like to start with Reina and 10 forwards. A look through the points dropped and in reality the only games where we didn't push forward in droves was Stoke, Arsenal and Everton.
Fantastic position ???
A draw with Chelsea over the weekend and a Villa win, will put us to 4th.
Two points off the top going into February is very good, maybe not fantastic. I am sure you would have grabbed that before the start of the season.
At the start of the season i would have hoped for the team to evolve a bit more, and it probably would not have been good enough to win the league, but a marked improvement in particular the team playing more offensively, but i dont think that can ever come with Benitez as manager. United and Chelsea will have improved again next year you would think, if Wenger is given the funds Arsenal wont be far away. We seem as far away as ever.
Are we though?
In terms of the players apart from one or two, I think we are as good as any of the Top 4
IMHO there is only one person to blame
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 09:53:46 PM
How are we looking for Alonso on to hold the ball and then say we needed to ppush forward.
Disappointment aside I thought we played well tonight and we pushed forward in search of the second. Not enough chance creatin, but we were driving forward in droves.
Alonso will control midfield, move ball early, switch play, give you a platform, keep tempo high. Second half this was draining away, Benayoun was still causing problems (and I'm not a fan), yet he got taken off. Alonso covers more ground than any other Liverpool player. To me Rafas subs are planned before a game. On form, only Torres should have been pulled tonight.
In other games at nil nil, Keane has been left on bench for Lucas to come on?? That isn't a match winning move. We aren't looking for 10 forwards but we what a chance. We don't need 5 midfielders and full backs who don't cross the half way line unless they get a green card. Insua bombed forward and has been missed. Dossena, looked a different player at weekend and is bombed out of team. Hard to justify some of his decisions.
Can we win the league? Of Course, best position we've ever been in years.
Will we win the league? Not a chance, I'm afraid. Thats the reality.
Must be heading for some sort of record with the amount of draws?
If most of us are being honest, we know that the other lot will push ahead now till the end of the season, Ferguson doesn't do charity. Benitez is more than a tad cautious but the bottom line imo is the lack of quality in certain positions which is meaning that teams aren't being put away. Too much reliance on the likes of Gerard for goals when other midfielders and forwards should be chipping in. Lack of quality on the wings and a couple of strikers in Keane and Kuyt who don't score enough. Add in the fact that midfielders like Alonso and Mascherano don't get forward enough but sit back, then it's not a great cocktail for scoring goals and killing off lesser sides, rather than handing them a point.
Wonder what the odds on a 1-1 draw for Sunday are? ;D
Quote from: Armamike on January 28, 2009, 10:10:02 PM
If most of us are being honest, we know that the other lot will push ahead now till the end of the season, Ferguson doesn't do charity. Benitez is more than a tad cautious but the bottom line imo is the lack of quality in certain positions which is meaning that teams aren't being put away. Too much reliance on the likes of Gerard for goals when other midfielders and forwards should be chipping in. Lack of quality on the wings and a couple of strikers in Keane and Kuyt who don't score enough. Add in the fact that midfielders like Alonso and Mascherano don't get forward enough but sit back, then it's not a great cocktail for scoring goals and killing off lesser sides, rather than handing them a point.
So is it the players or the way they are being asked to play ?
I believe its the latter
It is a very sorry situation to be in. When you are 2 points off the top at the end of january you should feel confident, but there is nothing but gloom and ill feeling surrounding the team and club. From a position of strenght they have let Man Utd into it. Even allowing for United's good run Liverpool still should be clear by at least 8 points at this stage. 2 points dropped tonight and 6 against the teams AZ mentions and 2 last week against Everton. That is 10 f**king points that have ben lost that should not have been lost. The players must take responsiblity as well, but since Rafa went on his little tirade about Fergie things have slipped badly.
I have backed him over and over, but perhaps it is time to look at aa different approach. if the new suitors pony up the money that they are supposed to have, I can't see them sticking with him, unless he pulls a rabbit out this year. I fear he will not be able to.
In Rafa we don't really trust anymore. :-[
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 28, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
Wonder what the odds on a 1-1 draw for Sunday are? ;D
I wouldnt be surprised if we beat Chelsea on Sunday then lose away to Portsmouth in the league.
Quote from: Minder on January 28, 2009, 10:14:53 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 28, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
Wonder what the odds on a 1-1 draw for Sunday are? ;D
I wouldnt be surprised if we beat Chelsea on Sunday then lose away to Portsmouth in the league.
Na Pompy won't beat us,they will get a draw though ::)
I think it's both Laoislad, with the emphasis on the latter. I have said it so often that corn's eyes probably bleed looking at it, but the likes of Kuyt, Benayoun, Lucas etc etc just give you little or nothing in terms of creativity.
However, even with them, if Rafa encouraged a possession, pass and move type game, Liverpool would be much better to watch, and in terms of getting wins instead of draws.
I'd like some better quality in the wide positions, but even with the lads that are there, feck sake, let them play when they have the ball. Rafa is spot on in terms of when Liverpool don't have the ball, but you nearly think he's more comfortable when we give it away so that we can get back to working hard and 'pressing' the opposition into mistakes. Liverpools most creative player is the opposition midfielder who is pressured into presenting Gerrard or Torres with a chance!
Right.
Ever since he took over and I read 'A season on the Brink' I have been a massive Benitez fan, defending him to the hilt. Tonight is the first time I have to question him.
I don't think he done too much wrong tonight bar taking off Gerrard. If you saw the match you would realise El Nino was very poor.
But as GBB says, his head isn't there at the moment. I don't know what is happening behind the scnens but he will leave in the summer. People like to have a go at him, they criticise him for not playing Keanen even though he has averaged 78 minutes this season, and has been very poor. People say he is too conservative but a look through United's stats shows that Ferguson has also took off attacking players for more conservative when leading narrowly. (Villa, Middlesborough and Wigan).
But things are not right and he is feeling the strain. Gerrard should have stayed on the field and perhaps Skrtl sacrificed for the final few minutes. Wigan hitting the bar probably shows that can be risky too.
I think if Rafa goes we will be set back another few years. People say he is not good enough to win the Premier League, I disagree. A stupiud tackle, bad marking etc can't really be levelled at the manager. Indivisual errors have cost us dearly. But my belief that he can win it is dwindling, I'll admit that.
The thing is, our performances this year has been poor. And while people say we are in this position only because United had a poor start is fair enough, but it means United went through a spell like this as well.
But he is too conservative-- Stoke springs to mind. I remember earlier in the season, Wigan or Boro, I thinkwe had four strikers on the pitch at the end and we won it, looks impossible that he would repeat that.
Take a step back and we are in a very good position. Before the season started I think most claimed to be in the title race would be a brilliant achievement this season. We are two off top and into the latter stages of Europe - not bad. The thing is, we relaistically could have been in a much better position.
It really is season on a brink 2 for Rafa. I'll support the manager while he is in charge, but if things don't buck up he will lose the support that has been very loyal to him to be fair.
Everyone on here knows what I think about Kuyt and I am certainly on my lonesome by the sounds of things. I am not foolish enough to suggest he has been brilliant lately, he hasn't. But when you come on here and read about him"making people vomit" it makes me vomit. He was on for a coupel of minutes and handled the ball in the box - ok mistake, but players make mistakes. He played an absolutely superb ball but nobody mentioned that.
It is just indicative of Liverpool fans that some players won;t get a fair deal. Torres was pretty horrible tonight, but there will be little mention of that, Gerrad was very poor in the second, won;t hear much about that. Kuyt has 10 minutes when he does one bad thing and one brilliant thing and people are making comments like that. I defend him too much, but some of the stick he gets is crazy.
I say I have seen 99% of our games this year and there have been very few were we have played well. Cheslsea, United, West Brom and Bolton are the stand-out games. We have actually played decent in some of the games we played poorly. I thought we were good tonight, verygood at Spurs, good against Hull, Stoke at home.
The frustraion is growing in me, 19 looks miles off nopw, but there is still a lot of ball top be played yet so who knows?
I think it is crazy when peopled eclare us out of the race with things so close and so much games left, but it is looking unlikely going on past form.
After the match tonight the first thing someone said to me was, Rafas rant is costing us. Ok, I was happy enough at the time, but it doesn;t look good tonight. But to suggest Lucas was thinking about it when he made that tacjkle, or Skrtl was thinking about it when he was tracking Cahill is a bit crazy for me. But who knoiws? It may have impacted the players.
Overall things could not be more disappointing, there was a chance there and Rafa needs to turn things around. As I say I like him and I will support him until he goes, but his stock value is dropping.
Tonight has signalled a major mood shift on this thread, normally staunch Rafa defenders are now questioning his tactics and wisdom. Does seem bizarre that he took off Gerrard, the man is usually their 'go to' player when they need something and he is on the bench.
From a Villa point of view I am delighted, Van Persie's late goal has kept Arsenal and Everton at arms length for now. Chelsea v Liverpool for a draw on Sunday now please.
As an outsider it seems that Gerrard can probably take as much, if not more credit that Benitez for you being top of the league until after Christmas.
QuoteOverall things could not be more disappointing, there was a chance there and Rafa needs to turn things around. As I say I like him and I will support him until he goes, but his stock value is dropping.
I have time for him too, but I think he is just wired that way, and he's not going to change.
I will support any man who puts on the Liverpool jersey, or who is involved with the team. That doesn't mean I suspend my option to criticise if they are bad, or if I think silly things are being done. It's only my opinion, I doubt Rafa gives a spanish shite, but I don't think he can or will make the required changes in his attitude for Liverpool to win a title. Cups, yes, it's obvious why. English titles, nope, I don't think so.
Sorry for the spelling in my post by the way, quickly typed.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 09:51:14 PM
As a matter of interest, how many points are we better off this season than last, in relation to our own performance. I see f*ck all improvement, except that United and Chelsea were worse than usual in the first few months. Liverpool will finish +10 behind United.
After an hour searching - here was the table on Jan 13, 2008 (after a 1-1 draw away to Middlesboro - incidentally also 3rd league draw in a row - we went on to draw the next one and then lose at West Ham)
1 Man Utd 22 51
2 Arsenal 22 51
3 Chelsea 22 47
4 Liverpool 21 39
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 10:22:27 PM
QuoteOverall things could not be more disappointing, there was a chance there and Rafa needs to turn things around. As I say I like him and I will support him until he goes, but his stock value is dropping.
I have time for him too, but I think he is just wired that way, and he's not going to change.
I will support any man who puts on the Liverpool jersey, or who is involved with the team. That doesn't mean I suspend my option to criticise if they are bad, or if I think silly things are being done. It's only my opinion, I doubt Rafa gives a spanish shite, but I don't think he can or will make the required changes in his attitude for Liverpool to win a title. Cups, yes, it's obvious why. English titles, nope, I don't think so.
:-[ Hard to disagree.
Started the season with a more attacking brand and while we were playing poor, we were getting lucky and getting the results.
Litle by little he reverted to his old style and while the performance level has been the same, the results just aren't coming.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2009, 09:51:14 PM
As a matter of interest, how many points are we better off this season than last, in relation to our own performance. I see f*ck all improvement, except that United and Chelsea were worse than usual in the first few months. Liverpool will finish +10 behind United.
After an hour searching - here was the table on Jan 13, 2008 (after a 1-1 draw away to Middlesboro - incidentally also 3rd league draw in a row - we went on to draw the next one and then lose at West Ham)
1 Man Utd 22 51
2 Arsenal 22 51
3 Chelsea 22 47
4 Liverpool 21 39
f**k that is a litlle bit of cheer on a horrible night.
So there's a bit of progress points wise. When you factor in the wins against United and Chelsea, versus the results last year, it's probably the difference.
I'm off to get drunk >:(
One extremely minor positive - the reaction from Keane when he came on - trying to rally the troops. well in lad.
QuoteSo is it the players or the way they are being asked to play ?
I believe its the latter
Real Laoislad - a bit of both really. I'm not sure if another manager could do much better with some of these players. There's not enough quality down the wings, from full backs and wide midfielders. Having said that, Benitez brought these players in and as others have said his footballing philosophy is a bit too cautious. There's a lack of real support from midfield going forward and a lack of movement (e.g. the likes of Alonso and Lucas are pretty static and never get forward to open up teams), which is probably a reflection of the manager's view on the game. I would love to know how Benitez really views all these draws and what he sees as the cause.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
People say he is too conservative but a look through United's stats shows that Ferguson has also took off attacking players for more conservative when leading narrowly. (Villa, Middlesborough and Wigan).
Yeah Ferguson might have done it but a couple of things on that. Firstly Ferguson doesn't do it as quickly. Secondly United can hold onto a 1-0 lead, they've mastered it this year. Liverpool on the other hand Liverpool have clearly struggled to hold onto a lead when they go into protect the lead mode. I think a lot of the reason for this is that United, because they have more attacking players starting off, won't be restricted as much if they take off one player like Rooney or Berbatov because they'll still have the likes of Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Carrick etc on the field to push forward to relieve the pressure. Plus they have players that can attack and defend equally well.
When Liverpool take off Torres or Gerrard, they become the most conservative team in the country. When both are off - well they might as well forfeit the three points. Liverpool have the right balance for defending a lead when these two are on the field. When they don't, they tend to sit back too much with inevitable consequences
He's getting dogged. I hope he stays. He's worth perservering with, but he needs to be given time to try and play with Torres. Rafa, of course, won't do that. Maybe when we're 8 points behind, but reasonably safe for4th spot, he'll let Robbie Keane play the role he bought him for.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
People say he is too conservative but a look through United's stats shows that Ferguson has also took off attacking players for more conservative when leading narrowly. (Villa, Middlesborough and Wigan).
Yeah but Slur Alex also throws on players to try and win a match when behind or drawing with ten minutes to go..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
People say he is too conservative but a look through United's stats shows that Ferguson has also took off attacking players for more conservative when leading narrowly. (Villa, Middlesborough and Wigan).
Yeah but Slur Alex also throws on players to try and win a match when behind or drawing with ten minutes to go..
Well Raf has done simliar really. There has been a few exceptions , Stoke and I am sure a few of them draw against Fulham and West Ham.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
People say he is too conservative but a look through United's stats shows that Ferguson has also took off attacking players for more conservative when leading narrowly. (Villa, Middlesborough and Wigan).
Yeah but Slur Alex also throws on players to try and win a match when behind or drawing with ten minutes to go..
Well Raf has done simliar really. There has been a few exceptions , Stoke and I am sure a few of them draw against Fulham and West Ham.
So you disagree with me then give me reasons why I might be right :D
Throw Hull City and Arsenal into that lot and we are seeing a fairly familiar pattern emerging
If Rafa puts on a striker it's usually at the expense of another striker or another forward oriented player.
If they need a goal Ferguson will often throw in one even two strikers but he won't haul off whatever forward they already have on the pitch. And it works more often than not.
He goes for it all out. Rafa doesn't. Too scared to risk one point by going for all three.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 10:47:58 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
People say he is too conservative but a look through United's stats shows that Ferguson has also took off attacking players for more conservative when leading narrowly. (Villa, Middlesborough and Wigan).
Yeah but Slur Alex also throws on players to try and win a match when behind or drawing with ten minutes to go..
Well Raf has done simliar really. There has been a few exceptions , Stoke and I am sure a few of them draw against Fulham and West Ham.
So you disagree with me then give me reasons why I might be right :D
Throw Hull City and Arsenal into that lot and we are seeing a fairly familiar pattern emerging
To be honest I don't know what the f**k I am saying, Rafa will be gone in the summer and it looks like the majority of fans will be happy - I won't be.
QuoteI think if Rafa goes we will be set back another few years. People say he is not good enough to win the Premier League, I disagree. A stupiud tackle, bad marking etc can't really be levelled at the manager. Indivisual errors have cost us dearly. But my belief that he can win it is dwindling, I'll admit that.
Corn, I agree getting rid of Rafa would set us back. I just hope he has the ability to learn from nights like tonight.
Over the past 15 years we've seen managers at Liverpool 'hit the wall' after about 4 years. I really hope this isn't the case with Benitez.
With the likes of Kuyt and others - they get jumped on because people are looking at their performances over a number of games, not just one cameo appearance where they misplace a pass.
Quote from: Armamike on January 28, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
QuoteI think if Rafa goes we will be set back another few years. People say he is not good enough to win the Premier League, I disagree. A stupiud tackle, bad marking etc can't really be levelled at the manager. Indivisual errors have cost us dearly. But my belief that he can win it is dwindling, I'll admit that.
Corn, I agree getting rid of Rafa would set us back. I just hope he has the ability to learn from nights like tonight.
Over the past 15 years we've seen managers at Liverpool 'hit the wall' after about 4 years. I really hope this isn't the case with Benitez.
With the likes of Kuyt and others - they get jumped on because people are looking at their performances over a number of games, not just one cameo appearance where they misplace a pass.
Yesa fair enough, but over the entire season, first half included, Kuyt has probably been in the top half of performers.
I hope he can learn too, but the way things are going, I wouldn;t bet on it. Most exciting season for us in a long time, also the most depressing.
BC summed it up for me - two points off the lead going into February would usually have us bouncing. Instead we are in the pits.
Games over, time to move on and (hopefully) learn from mistakes made.
Utd to get beat and the weekend, and keane to score the winner against the chavs on sunday.
Quote from: stiffler on January 28, 2009, 11:03:16 PM
Utd to get beat and the weekend, and keane to score the winner against the chavs on sunday.
;D
As I said, Keane's reaction shows me a man that is going to bring the fight!
Quote from: Armamike on January 28, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
QuoteI think if Rafa goes we will be set back another few years. People say he is not good enough to win the Premier League, I disagree. A stupiud tackle, bad marking etc can't really be levelled at the manager. Indivisual errors have cost us dearly. But my belief that he can win it is dwindling, I'll admit that.
Corn, I agree getting rid of Rafa would set us back. I just hope he has the ability to learn from nights like tonight.
I dunno. He just keeps repeating the same mistakes and never seems to learn from them.
Go 1-0 up then with 20 minutes to go takes off a forward for a midfielder. Sit back and opposition comes back into the game. All it takes is one lucky break in the box for them and it's 1-1. Game over. Repeat ad infinitum.
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
Never seent the game Corn, what was the moment, did he give away the pen?
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
To be honest corn if thats the only thing we had to be worried about regarding Liverpool FC the world would be a great place :D
Quote from: stiffler on January 28, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
Never seent the game Corn, what was the moment, did he give away the pen?
Yeah, was playing very well I must say, but then showed why he gets so much abuse. A stupid trip in the box when we were crusing it.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 28, 2009, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
To be honest corn if thats the only thing we had to be worried about regarding Liverpool FC the world would be a great place :D
Ture, true. :)
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: stiffler on January 28, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
Never seent the game Corn, what was the moment, did he give away the pen?
Yeah, was playing very well I must say, but then showed why he gets so much abuse. A stupid trip in the box when we were crusing it.
f**k sake, him and benayoun (foul v everton) have been doing themselves no favours the last while.
Quote from: stiffler on January 28, 2009, 11:15:17 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: stiffler on January 28, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
Never seent the game Corn, what was the moment, did he give away the pen?
Yeah, was playing very well I must say, but then showed why he gets so much abuse. A stupid trip in the box when we were crusing it.
f**k sake, him and benayoun (foul v everton) have been doing themselves no favours the last while.
Lucas makes Paul Scholes look like Franco Baresi as far as tackling goes. He simply cannot make a challenge without fouling. No need even tonight to do what he did. This habit of giving stupid frees away was going to cost us sooner or later.
Yip and has to the maximum in the last two league outings. Shiocking stuff.
Quote from: corn02 on January 28, 2009, 11:06:50 PM
There is something that bothers me.
Does the Daily Mirror and lfc.tv have a thing for Gerrad. LFC.tv gave him MOTM and the Mirror will tomorrow as usual. Did anyone else think he was terrible in the second?
Honestly weould have had Skrtly, Masch, Lucas (until THAT moment) and Yos ahead of him.
He gets away with it because of the great things that he can do on the pitch but there's times when he can be fairly anonymous and he does have a tendency to give the ball away a lot more than he should.
In the 2nd half Gerrard gave the ball away constantly. And deserved to be taken off and given a kick up the hole. If he'd taken him with 15/20 to go and brought on Alonso, I wouldnt have minded one bit. But taking him off when we need a goal was just nuts. I believe Rafa was just totally frustrated with him, but it was stupid.
Torres had to come off because he just wasn't right. Riera in itself wasnt a bad replacement, and to say it was a "midfielder for a forward" doesn't tell the true story because Babel moved up front, there was no change in formation. However given we haven't won a game in a month, the message it sent to everyone was "we're hanging on", whereas bringing on Keane in a straight swap would have sent the message "we're going to finish you off". The result was Wigan's game raised and we may have sat back.
I thought Benny was the player causing Wigan the most problems - baffled by the decision to take him off, and on the night Kuyt was a far easier job for the Wigan defence.
Hope Rafa stays with the scousers forever :D
With him in charge there will be no PL coming to Anfield
Going to be a tight race for the CL spots this season...........
:D :D :D, Lose on Sunday the league is over.
You lot are like vultures.
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 09:07:02 AM
You lot are like vultures.
Dont be like that corn :D
Do you expect us to say nothing?
If it was the other way round I would expect it
Quote from: Hound on January 29, 2009, 07:50:03 AM
I thought Benny was the player causing Wigan the most problems - baffled by the decision to take him off, and on the night Kuyt was a far easier job for the Wigan defence.
Benayon was injured, he had to come off
QuoteHope Rafa stays with the scousers forever
With him in charge there will be no PL coming to Anfield
Going to be a tight race for the CL spots this season...........
Agreed. A loss on Saturday definitely ends Liverpools challenge this year. As mentioned, it will be tight for the CL spot with Villa doing so good and Arsenal still there.
(http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:BOe0mW5ByyEUHM::www.maxwaugh.com/images/tanzania07/vulture4.jpg)
:D :D
Sorry Corn..
Sunday is now a massive game and all joking aside a place in the top 4 is doubtfull for Liverpool if they do not get the act together and go for the killer win in games but I can see nothing changing with Rafa in charge. He has lost enough points this season in a similar fashion... should have learned by now. He is simply not good enough to win the league! I hope he stays. :)
Quote from: full back on January 29, 2009, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 09:07:02 AM
You lot are like vultures.
Dont be like that corn :D
Do you expect us to say nothing?
If it was the other way round I would expect it
Ah no, I didn;t mena it in a bad way.
At present we have no comeback so fill your boots.
Sunday is now a massive game and all joking aside a place in the top 4 is doubtfull for Liverpool if they do not get the act together and go for the killer win in games but I can see nothing changing with Rafa in charge. He has lost enough points this season in a similar fashion... should have learned by now. He is simply not good enough to win the league! I hope he stays. :)
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so do i, brilliant manager :D :D
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 29, 2009, 09:31:50 AM
Sunday is now a massive game and all joking aside a place in the top 4 is doubtfull for Liverpool if they do not get the act together and go for the killer win in games but I can see nothing changing with Rafa in charge. He has lost enough points this season in a similar fashion... should have learned by now. He is simply not good enough to win the league! I hope he stays. :)
so do i, brilliant manager :D :D
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Suppose you lads were calling for Fergie's head too before he won that FA Cup?
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 29, 2009, 09:31:50 AM
Sunday is now a massive game and all joking aside a place in the top 4 is doubtfull for Liverpool if they do not get the act together and go for the killer win in games but I can see nothing changing with Rafa in charge. He has lost enough points this season in a similar fashion... should have learned by now. He is simply not good enough to win the league! I hope he stays. :)
so do i, brilliant manager :D :D
Suppose you lads were calling for Fergie's head too before he won that FA Cup?[/quote]
You might have to recount the detail of that for some of the United fans, pre-1993/Sky Sports and all that......
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 28, 2009, 03:54:10 PM
What odds on fatty Mido coming off the bench to score a late equaliser for Wigan?
Good stuff BC....... :'(
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 28, 2009, 03:54:10 PM
What odds on fatty Mido coming off the bench to score a late equaliser for Wigan?
Good stuff BC....... :'(
but he started ;D
For the guys giving Gerrard a bit of stick, would you get a grip. The man is in his prime and should be enjoying sitting nicely at the summit of the Premier league with a very good chance of winning his first league medal for his boyhood club.
But instead of lording the midfield with Masch and Xavi by his side, he has to play with Lucarse and Bena-fcukin-youn and watching Rafa 'i know better than everyone even though the statistics are staying me in the face' Benetiz making some of the most unreal decisions.
What is happening at Anfield under Benetiz takes fustration to a whole new level....although its not the end of the world and nobody died
Stephen Kenny anyone?
PQ
havent been impressed by benitez after about 6 month into the job and think he's getting worse.
It wouldnt matter to me how Gerrard or for that matter Torres was playing, I wouldnt be taking them off because they were tired, I mean FFS what a load of bollox
With the game a draw & about 10 mins left, why would you take the man off that was most likely to get a winner for you ???
Rafa take note "Dont fcuk with Fergie" :D
He has totally lost the plot, bet it wouldnt have happened to Stephen Kenny ;)
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 10:30:51 AM
For the guys giving Gerrard a bit of stick, would you get a grip. The man is in his prime and should be enjoying sitting nicely at the summit of the Premier league with a very good chance of winning his first league medal for his boyhood club.
But instead of lording the midfield with Masch and Xavi by his side, he has to play with Lucarse and Bena-fcukin-youn and watching Rafa 'i know better than everyone even though the statistics are staying me in the face' Benetiz making some of the most unreal decisions.
What is happening at Anfield under Benetiz takes fustration to a whole new level....although its not the end of the world and nobody died
Stephen Kenny anyone?
PQ
Take it you didn't watch the game then? Benni was arguably ou best player before he got injured.
Lucas played well, but his foul shows he will never have the temperment, compusre and class of Alonso.
Also, just because Gerrad has been unreal, does not mean he is untouchable. If we are analysing performances he should not be immune from criticism on the very odd times he deserves it.
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 10:30:51 AM
For the guys giving Gerrard a bit of stick, would you get a grip. The man is in his prime and should be enjoying sitting nicely at the summit of the Premier league with a very good chance of winning his first league medal for his boyhood club.
But instead of lording the midfield with Masch and Xavi by his side, he has to play with Lucarse and Bena-fcukin-youn and watching Rafa 'i know better than everyone even though the statistics are staying me in the face' Benetiz making some of the most unreal decisions.
What is happening at Anfield under Benetiz takes fustration to a whole new level....although its not the end of the world and nobody died
Stephen Kenny anyone?
PQ
Take it you didn't watch the game then? Benni was arguably ou best player before he got injured.
Lucas played well, but his foul shows he will never have the temperment, compusre and class of Alonso.
Also, just because Gerrad has been unreal, does not mean he is untouchable. If we are analysing performances he should not be immune from criticism on the very odd times he deserves it.
Did watch the game courtesy of Zulu
One question...are Benayoun and Lucas Liverpool FC standard? yes or no....
PQ
Now is not the time for anyone to be gloating (or overly fatalistic). The end of the season is quite a distance away. The scenario outlined by someone of United losing (or drawing) v Everton and Liverpool beating Chelsea is quite possible so in the space of a few days it could all change. United do have a history of slipping up just when you think they've got themselves in a commanding position (Fergie often refers to "not making it easy on ourselves"). Liverpool, as was mentioned above, are actually better set up to get results against the better teams and Chelsea are not flying by any means.
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 10:52:51 AM
Also, just because Gerrad has been unreal, does not mean he is untouchable. If we are analysing performances he should not be immune from criticism on the very odd times he deserves it.
Of course he should be open to criticism when he deserves it but he is one of those players who can be shit for 89 mins and then produce a bit of magic to get a result. He should never have been taken off no matter what.. Tired my ass...
Oh yeah, one other thing.
What does "crazy game" mean?
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 10:52:51 AM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 10:30:51 AM
For the guys giving Gerrard a bit of stick, would you get a grip. The man is in his prime and should be enjoying sitting nicely at the summit of the Premier league with a very good chance of winning his first league medal for his boyhood club.
But instead of lording the midfield with Masch and Xavi by his side, he has to play with Lucarse and Bena-fcukin-youn and watching Rafa 'i know better than everyone even though the statistics are staying me in the face' Benetiz making some of the most unreal decisions.
What is happening at Anfield under Benetiz takes fustration to a whole new level....although its not the end of the world and nobody died
Stephen Kenny anyone?
PQ
Take it you didn't watch the game then? Benni was arguably ou best player before he got injured.
Lucas played well, but his foul shows he will never have the temperment, compusre and class of Alonso.
Also, just because Gerrad has been unreal, does not mean he is untouchable. If we are analysing performances he should not be immune from criticism on the very odd times he deserves it.
Did watch the game courtesy of Zulu
One question...are Benayoun and Lucas Liverpool FC standard? yes or no....
PQ
The inadequacies off the current squad unfortunately have come home to roost. Just not good enough, im afraid to say.
This along with a manager who has increasingly become paranoid and agitated in recent weeks means that any title aspirations have gone up in smoke well before the nitty gritty of a title run in..
Frustrating as fcuk as Chelsea, Arsenal and Utd were not firing on all cylinders earlier in the season, and its only in last 6 weeks or so that Utd have got into their groove.
3 points against Chelsea (which i believe will be obtained) will not change outcome of this years title and a 2nd place finish should not be seen as success.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 29, 2009, 11:23:08 AM
Oh yeah, one other thing.
What does "crazy game" mean?
I thought he was on about Wigan being overly physical
BTW, did anyone see Stevie G getting shot by the sniper in the build up to the 1st goal, then making a miraculous recovery :D
Quote from: full back on January 29, 2009, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 29, 2009, 11:23:08 AM
Oh yeah, one other thing.
What does "crazy game" mean?
I thought he was on about Wigan being overly physical
Yip, Brown in particular I think.
QuoteBut instead of lording the midfield with Masch and Xavi by his side, he has to play with Lucarse and Bena-fcukin-youn
Benayoun was probably your best m/f player last night, and then Benitez took him off.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2009, 12:18:07 PM
QuoteBut instead of lording the midfield with Masch and Xavi by his side, he has to play with Lucarse and Bena-fcukin-youn
Benayoun was probably your best m/f player last night, and then Benitez took him off.
but he is sh1te, and so is lucas
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2009, 12:18:07 PM
QuoteBut instead of lording the midfield with Masch and Xavi by his side, he has to play with Lucarse and Bena-fcukin-youn
Benayoun was probably your best m/f player last night, and then Benitez took him off.
Took a heavy knock.
Benayoun is dung, not worthy of a liverpool shirt
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
Benayoun is dung, not worthy of a liverpool shirt
Has actually been decent enough this season, I don't thik he is title-winning quality, but he has had a decent enough season. His goal tally was in the double figures last year.
Never going to be top class, but dung? Come off it.
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
Benayoun is dung, not worthy of a liverpool shirt
Has actually been decent enough this season, I don't thik he is title-winning quality, but he has had a decent enough season. His goal tally was in the double figures last year.
Never going to be top class, but dung? Come off it.
mon now, head out of the sand...I asked you earlier, is Benayoun or Lucas Liverpool standard? yes or no?
PQ
Not only are Pool not gonna finish within 10pts of United but unless the current slump is stopped I believe they are in danger of finishing out of top 4.
Its dire stuff at present and Rafa has to shoulder the blame. I lost faith in him about 18months ago and Pool are going nowhere with him. He is determined to do things his way to prove a point but his whole footballing philosophy is wrong.
Pool will never win a PL with Rafa at the helm. Its time we accepted that.
He won titles with Valencia when Barca had their worst team in a generation and he is living off this when people don't give him credit for his Cup victories.
People say our squad is poor but I guarantee the likes of Babel and Reira would be thriving under Ferguson or Wenger.
Granted Lucas is crap and I wouldn't pay into Terryland park to see him.
I cant see how anyone can be happy with the way they are playing or the "progress" this season.
Home form has gone to pot, player confident has to be low. Keane saga has been a disaster.
I for one wont be crying should Madrid knock them out of CL as a good run in that will only paper over the cracks and gain Rafa another few years.
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 29, 2009, 01:44:42 PM
I for one wont be crying should Madrid knock them out of CL as a good run in that will only paper over the cracks and gain Rafa another few years.
Madrid have one of their worst teams in a while, so I would expect the scousers to go through to the next round
May take a little while to load but these are well worth a look,full 360 interactive views of Anfield and training grounds
http://www.eyethree60.co.uk/vt/liverpoolfc_vtour/liverpool_liverpool.html?ncid=sitevranfield010508
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http://www.eyethree60.co.uk/vt/liverpoolfcacademy/liverpool_academylfc.html?ncid=sitevracademy010508
Quote from: full back on January 29, 2009, 01:48:03 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 29, 2009, 01:44:42 PM
I for one wont be crying should Madrid knock them out of CL as a good run in that will only paper over the cracks and gain Rafa another few years.
Madrid have one of their worst teams in a while, so I would expect the scousers to go through to the next round
They have improved since Ramos went there though. Think they have won every game since they lost to Barcelona before Christmas.
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
Benayoun is dung, not worthy of a liverpool shirt
Has actually been decent enough this season, I don't thik he is title-winning quality, but he has had a decent enough season. His goal tally was in the double figures last year.
Never going to be top class, but dung? Come off it.
mon now, head out of the sand...I asked you earlier, is Benayoun or Lucas Liverpool standard? yes or no?
PQ
What is Liverpool standard ??
If you talking about a team that hasnt won a PL title in 20 odd years, and annually finish around 4th or 5th spot , then the answer would be yes they are liverpool standard!
Quote from: Bensars on January 29, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
Benayoun is dung, not worthy of a liverpool shirt
Has actually been decent enough this season, I don't thik he is title-winning quality, but he has had a decent enough season. His goal tally was in the double figures last year.
Never going to be top class, but dung? Come off it.
mon now, head out of the sand...I asked you earlier, is Benayoun or Lucas Liverpool standard? yes or no?
PQ
What is Liverpool standard ??
If you talking about a team that hasnt won a PL title in 20 odd years, and annually finish around 4th or 5th spot , then the answer would be yes they are liverpool standard!
Well they finished 5th once but have also finished 2nd and 3rd as well as 4th. So you could say a team that finished anywhere from 2nd to 5th.
Madrid have 5 wins on the trot and have the likes of Robben back.
Sneijdner may be back as well
Poor they may be but I wouldnt have a bean on Pool to knock them out.
Jesus we couldnt score in 3hours of football V Stoke..
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
Benayoun is dung, not worthy of a liverpool shirt
Has actually been decent enough this season, I don't thik he is title-winning quality, but he has had a decent enough season. His goal tally was in the double figures last year.
Never going to be top class, but dung? Come off it.
mon now, head out of the sand...I asked you earlier, is Benayoun or Lucas Liverpool standard? yes or no?
PQ
What is Liverpool standard ??
If you talking about a team that hasnt won a PL title in 20 odd years, and annually finish anywhere between 2nd to 5th spot , then the answer would be yes they are liverpool standard!
Edit ...could some liverpool fans put up finishing positions in PL under Rafa ?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 29, 2009, 02:07:59 PM
Quote from: Bensars on January 29, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 29, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on January 29, 2009, 01:20:53 PM
Benayoun is dung, not worthy of a liverpool shirt
Has actually been decent enough this season, I don't thik he is title-winning quality, but he has had a decent enough season. His goal tally was in the double figures last year.
Never going to be top class, but dung? Come off it.
mon now, head out of the sand...I asked you earlier, is Benayoun or Lucas Liverpool standard? yes or no?
PQ
What is Liverpool standard ??
If you talking about a team that hasnt won a PL title in 20 odd years, and annually finish around 4th or 5th spot , then the answer would be yes they are liverpool standard!
Well they finished 5th once but have also finished 2nd and 3rd as well as 4th. So you could say a team that finished anywhere from 2nd to 5th.
its the standard that has brought them more league titles and european cups than any other team in england (you asked!)...from a while back, be that as it may, just means under a few regimes, Houlliers and Benetiz in particular that there has been a hell of a lot of players playing with the liver bird upon their chest not up to the standard....Lucas and Benayoun are just the latest on the conveyor belt
Benayoun is actually a handy enough little squad player. Doesn't play most games. Scores a few goals. Makes a few assists. He's certainly not the main problem at the club anyway. I mean what is Liverpool standard anyway? You can't have a squad of 20 superstars. We just don't have the budget for that. Even great Liverpool teams had a few journeymen in their squads. I mean is Nani Man Utd standard and they spent 17 million on him?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 29, 2009, 02:22:12 PM
Benayoun is actually a handy enough little squad player. Doesn't play most games. Scores a few goals. Makes a few assists. He's certainly not the main problem at the club anyway. I mean what is Liverpool standard anyway? You can't have a squad of 20 superstars. We just don't have the budget for that. Even great Liverpool teams had a few journeymen in their squads. I mean is Nani Man Utd standard and they spent 17 million on him?
Benitez is that problem
The usual suspects talking shite I see ::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2009, 02:44:35 PM
The usual suspects talking shite I see ::)
The United ones? or a dig at certain pool posters?
Elaborate boyo.... :o
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2009, 02:44:35 PM
The usual suspects talking shite I see ::)
What sh1te is being talked?
not you corn
Would Barry have made a big difference to Liverpool this season if he had signed then?
QuoteMadrid have 5 wins on the trot and have the likes of Robben back.
Sneijdner may be back as well
How has yer new fella Huntelaar performed since joining?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2009, 03:29:09 PM
not you corn
Who?
What sh1te has been said?
Or is it only sh1te because you dont agree with it or like it?
not bad, started well
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
QuoteMadrid have 5 wins on the trot and have the likes of Robben back.
Sneijdner may be back as well
How has yer new fella Huntelaar performed since joining?
Madrid have to choose whether to play him or Lassana Diarra against Liverpool as both have already played in the UEFA cup this season. One can play but not both, i think Madrid being Madrid thought they could overturn this rule but dont think they succeeded.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on January 29, 2009, 03:46:05 PMWould Barry have made a big difference to Liverpool this season if he had signed then?
I don't think he would - he'd have been replacing Alonso - who has been if not our best player this season - then 2nd best after Gerrard
Spurs have confirmed they have made a inquiry about Robbie Keane
Spurs make 12mill bid for Keane. Time to cut your losses ;D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 05:40:05 PM
Spurs have confirmed they have made a inquiry about Robbie Keane
Unbelievable. Looks like three players who left the Lane in the past year are going to be back there now if that goes ahead. United don't fancy selling Berbatov I wonder?
And they will probably make a profit on all three, strange but makes sense from a business perspective
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
QuoteMadrid have 5 wins on the trot and have the likes of Robben back.
Sneijdner may be back as well
How has yer new fella Huntelaar performed since joining?
Madrid have to choose whether to play him or Lassana Diarra against Liverpool as both have already played in the UEFA cup this season. One can play but not both, i think Madrid being Madrid thought they could overturn this rule but dont think they succeeded.
Huntelaar is getting a ton more match practice. Diarra is only getting a few minutes here and there. Think that clears up who they'll play
Quote from: ardal on January 29, 2009, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 29, 2009, 03:52:11 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
QuoteMadrid have 5 wins on the trot and have the likes of Robben back.
Sneijdner may be back as well
How has yer new fella Huntelaar performed since joining?
Madrid have to choose whether to play him or Lassana Diarra against Liverpool as both have already played in the UEFA cup this season. One can play but not both, i think Madrid being Madrid thought they could overturn this rule but dont think they succeeded.
Huntelaar is getting a ton more match practice. Diarra is only getting a few minutes here and there. Think that clears up who they'll play
But European football is a different beast. I have a feeling they will pick Diarra.
Ardal says:
QuoteHuntelaar is getting a ton more match practice. Diarra is only getting a few minutes here and there. Think that clears up who they'll play
Corn02 says:
QuoteBut European football is a different beast. I have a feeling they will pick Diarra.
Who's right? Only time will tell! Who would you put your money on?
Reports from Anfield this morning that Keane has been dropped from the Liverpool squad for todays game v Chelsea...
Only hours left in transfer window..is this the end for Robbie?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 11:45:28 AM
Reports from Anfield this morning that Keane has been dropped from the Liverpool squad for todays game v Chelsea...
Only hours left in transfer window..is this the end for Robbie?
Got this information on another forum yesterday from a very reliable source. He also reckons Jenas will be part of the deal.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/keane-on-his-way-to-spurs-1622907.html
Definitely looks like the end of the road for Robbie. Surely Rafa wouldn't be stupid enough to get rid of a striker without a replacement to come in?
Jenas can f**k right off
Again, only coming from a poster on a forum, but he is always spot on - certainly has sources within the club.
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Again, only coming from a poster on a forum, but he is always spot on - certainly has sources within the club.
I don't doubt ye but why the f**k do we need jenas or even want him? At least Lennon would be something different.
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 12:20:41 PM
Again, only coming from a poster on a forum, but he is always spot on - certainly has sources within the club.
I don't doubt ye but why the f**k do we need jenas or even want him? At least Lennon would be something different.
arggggggggggggggggggghjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Gawa, don;t mention the Lennon word. I can;t stand him as a player, the most over rated player in football.
Although, obviously, Jenas is a class act, we don't need another CM. It is turning into a farce.
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 12:25:55 PM
arggggggggggggggggggghjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Gawa, don;t mention the Lennon word. I can;t stand him as a player, the most over rated player in football.
Although, obviously, Jenas is a class act, we don't need another CM. It is turning into a farce.
Is or isn't?
Not saying i want Lennon but it seems to be him and jenas that are being mentioned in a possible swap. If given the choice I would have Lennon. we don't have anyone at the club like him, whilst jenas would be 4th or 5th choice
Jenas is poor and would be a bad buy. We need to buy a right winger, Lennon is not the prefect option but is better than what we have. But lets be honest even if we had a top class right winger, the manager would not play him anyhow, Kuyt has to play ever game its seems. Keane not making the squad is a joke, We need to stick with Torres and keane up front for 5/6 games in a row and then judge them, the thought of selling Keane now after he has hardly been givin 2/3 games in a row is a joke. I hate to say it, but its time for a new Boss, Benitez should go!!!!!!!!
No Jenas IS a class atc, he is a quality player lads and has been consistently excellent for three seasons. He is a cracking player and in other circumstances I would welcome him. The fact is we don't need a CM and Gawa you make a good point, if it was Jenas or Lennon I would have to take Lennon just because we need width.
Bent anyone?
Jesus no I woud hate to see Bent come to us. Would rather see Lennon over Jenas, but it wont happen. Why get rid of Pennant just to bring in a near exact substitute? I suppose Jenas could offer something to our CM, but I would hate to see him start for us in a tough game.
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 01:04:03 PM
Bent anyone?
No ta.
What liverpool site did ye get that info. from corn? Any word on the team for today?
You got to wonder about these guys....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kj0STSZFl0&eurl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kj0STSZFl0&eurl)
Not a fan of Bent either, but one goal in two this season. 14 in 30 games, many as a sub.
I think its a disgrace if Keane is sold after not getting a proper chance and I don't care what anyone says he did not get a proper run in the team..
You have the likes of Kuyt then who I am a fan of btw but he has been awful at times and is never subsituted
Its obvious Rafa didn't buy him and is now proving what a stubburn **** he is by getting rid of him..
As soon as it looked like Keane was making a impact at the club he f**king goes and drops him.
Who the f**k mentioned Bent ??? jaysis lads thats whats wrong with this club buying players like Darren f**king Bent..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 01:51:57 PM
I think its a disgrace if Keane is sold after not getting a proper chance and I don't care what anyone says he did not get a proper run in the team..
You have the likes of Kuyt then who I am a fan of btw but he has been awful at times and is never subsituted
Its obvious Rafa didn't buy him and is now proving what a stubburn **** he is by getting rid of him..
As soon as it looked like Keane was making a impact at the club he f**king goes and drops him.
Who the f**k mentioned Bent ??? jaysis lads thats whats wrong with this club buying players like Darren f**king Bent..
Bent has had a similar sort of season as Keane ias he has been sexond behind Pabluchenko (worst spelling ever) but he has nine league goals. Like him or not he has taken his chances.
You're right about Keane not getting a run though, the club stinks at the moment.
Just more on Bent.
Played 22 times in the league this year, has only starteds 13 times and has hit nine goals. Not a fan myself, but the stats show he is having a great season.
Not the sort of boy I like but if it was a player swap between Bent, Jenas and Lennon I know who I would prefer.
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 01:51:57 PM
I think its a disgrace if Keane is sold after not getting a proper chance and I don't care what anyone says he did not get a proper run in the team..
You have the likes of Kuyt then who I am a fan of btw but he has been awful at times and is never subsituted
Its obvious Rafa didn't buy him and is now proving what a stubburn **** he is by getting rid of him..
As soon as it looked like Keane was making a impact at the club he f**king goes and drops him.
Who the f**k mentioned Bent ??? jaysis lads thats whats wrong with this club buying players like Darren f**king Bent..
Bent has had a similar sort of season as Keane ias he has been sexond behind Pabluchenko (worst spelling ever) but he has nine league goals. Like him or not he has taken his chances.
You're right about Keane not getting a run though, the club stinks at the moment.
I know the stats are proving me wrong corn but come on Darren Bent ??? Seriously?
And your right the club does stink at the moment and I am getting tired of it,I'm honestly starting to dislike Rafa a little,and not just because of the Keane situation but I really think he is/has losing/lost us the league this year...
Some of his calls have been ludicrous,and if we really look at it what has he done for Liverpool?
Houllier was a consistent top 4 finisher,he also won cups galore so the FA Cup win in 2006 is hardly a step forward.
Apart from the Champions League win which was surreal what has Rafa actually done in nearly 5 years at the club?
I have been a fan of Rafa and have always thought he was the man for Liverpool but in the last few months I have become more and more irritated by him.
Naturally I hope I'm proved wrong and Liverpool go on the win the PL and there would be no one happier than me to be proved wrong but somehow I doubt it :-\
Liverpool fixtures this season:
Leige- Keane Started
Sunderland - Keane Started
Boro - Keane Started
Leige - Keane Started
Villa - Keane Started
United - Keane Started
Marseille - sub
Stoke - Keane Started
Crewe -Sub
Everton - Keane Started
PSV - Keane Started
Man City - Sub
Wigan - Keane Started
Atletico - Keane Started
Chelsea - Keane Started
Pompey - Sub
Spurs - Keane Started
Atletico - Keane Started
West Brom - Keane Started
Spurs - Not in squad
Bolton - Keane Started
Fulham - Keane Started
Marseille - unused sub
West Ham - Keane Started
Blackburn - unused sub
PSV - Keane Started
Hull - Unused sub
Arsenal - keane started
Bolton - keane started
Newcastle - unused sub
Preston - keane started
stoke - unused sub
everton - started
everton - not in squad
didnt get a chance you say? hmm. two goals against WBA and one in a big game does not constitute 'starting to make an impact.'
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 01:58:15 PM
Just more on Bent.
Played 22 times in the league this year, has only starteds 13 times and has hit nine goals. Not a fan myself, but the stats show he is having a great season.
Not the sort of boy I like but if it was a player swap between Bent, Jenas and Lennon I know who I would prefer.
Just out of interest why not Lennon?
I actually think he is a decent player
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 01:51:57 PM
I think its a disgrace if Keane is sold after not getting a proper chance and I don't care what anyone says he did not get a proper run in the team..
You have the likes of Kuyt then who I am a fan of btw but he has been awful at times and is never subsituted
Its obvious Rafa didn't buy him and is now proving what a stubburn **** he is by getting rid of him..
As soon as it looked like Keane was making a impact at the club he f**king goes and drops him.
Who the f**k mentioned Bent ??? jaysis lads thats whats wrong with this club buying players like Darren f**king Bent..
Bent has had a similar sort of season as Keane ias he has been sexond behind Pabluchenko (worst spelling ever) but he has nine league goals. Like him or not he has taken his chances.
You're right about Keane not getting a run though, the club stinks at the moment.
I know the stats are proving me wrong corn but come on Darren Bent ??? Seriously?
And your right the club does stink at the moment and I am getting tired of it,I'm honestly starting to dislike Rafa a little,and not just because of the Keane situation but I really think he is/has losing/lost us the league this year...
Some of his calls have been ludicrous,and if we really look at it what has he done for Liverpool?
Houllier was a consistent top 4 finisher,he also won cups galore so the FA Cup win in 2006 is hardly a step forward.
Apart from the Champions League win which was surreal what has Rafa actually done in nearly 5 years at the club?
I have been a fan of Rafa and have always thought he was the man for Liverpool but in the last few months I have become more and more irritated by him.
Naturally I hope I'm proved wrong and Liverpool go on the win the PL and there would be no one happier than me to be proved wrong but somehow I doubt it :-\
Don;t disagree with any of that.
A staright buy for Bent? No. If the propsed player plsu cash offer was true and it was a choice of Jenas, Lennon and Bent? Bent please. he has scored goals wherever he has went, I suppose the same could be said about Keane.
Yip, rotten to its core at the moment from owners to directors to manager with the players being the biggest sufferers.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 01:58:15 PM
Just more on Bent.
Played 22 times in the league this year, has only starteds 13 times and has hit nine goals. Not a fan myself, but the stats show he is having a great season.
Not the sort of boy I like but if it was a player swap between Bent, Jenas and Lennon I know who I would prefer.
Just out of interest why not Lennon?
I actually think he is a decent player
Just don't rate him at all, or maybe, I think he is very overrated. He is all go and no end product. Just runs down a lot of blind alleys and what pisses me off the most is that he has zero workrate. None, keep an eye on him next time you see him play, he won't track back.
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 01:58:15 PM
Just more on Bent.
Played 22 times in the league this year, has only starteds 13 times and has hit nine goals. Not a fan myself, but the stats show he is having a great season.
Not the sort of boy I like but if it was a player swap between Bent, Jenas and Lennon I know who I would prefer.
Just out of interest why not Lennon?
I actually think he is a decent player
Just don't rate him at all, or maybe, I think he is very overrated. He is all go and no end product. Just runs down a lot of blind alleys and what pisses me off the most is that he has zero workrate. None, keep an eye on him next time you see him play, he won't track back.
Sounds like him and Ryan Babel were seperated at birth so :D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 02:14:43 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 01, 2009, 01:58:15 PM
Just more on Bent.
Played 22 times in the league this year, has only starteds 13 times and has hit nine goals. Not a fan myself, but the stats show he is having a great season.
Not the sort of boy I like but if it was a player swap between Bent, Jenas and Lennon I know who I would prefer.
Just out of interest why not Lennon?
I actually think he is a decent player
Just don't rate him at all, or maybe, I think he is very overrated. He is all go and no end product. Just runs down a lot of blind alleys and what pisses me off the most is that he has zero workrate. None, keep an eye on him next time you see him play, he won't track back.
Sounds like him and Ryan Babel were seperated at birth so :D
You know when I was typing I was trying to think of a player to compare him with. Couldn't think of one but Babel is his twin I think.
Team from official
Reina, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Carragher, Skrtel, Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Kuyt, Riera, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri,
Only one sub? ???
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Ngog, Benayoun, Babel, Lucas
Sorry to see ye go Robbie
Chelsea team
Cech, Bosingwa, Alex, Terry, Cole, Kalou, Ballack, Mikel, Lampard, Malouda, Anelka
nothing confirmed yet 100% but looking like keane/lennon is a goer
source is 5live
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 03:14:22 PM
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Ngog, Benayoun, Babel, Lucas
So we're losing with 15 to go......
Who out of the above subs is gonna come on and score, maybe Benayoun but thats it as far as i can see..
Very weak bench and a 20mill player who is a proven goal scorer sitting at home ::)
he is probably in negotiations rather than sitting at home.
perhaps if rafa had autonomy over players brought in we would have more choice for the bench ::)
you must have missed all of babel's goals he scored last season off the bench?
Robbie must be gone. Disaster of a move for him. He will have lost alot of love for his boyhood club :-\
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 03:14:22 PM
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Ngog, Benayoun, Babel, Lucas
So we're losing with 15 to go......
Who out of the above subs is gonna come on and score, maybe Benayoun but thats it as far as i can see..
Very weak bench and a 20mill player who is a proven goal scorer sitting at home ::)
Keanes in the stand...surely if he was gone he wouldn't go near the game
Quote from: new devil on February 01, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 03:14:22 PM
Subs: Cavalieri, Dossena, Agger, Ngog, Benayoun, Babel, Lucas
So we're losing with 15 to go......
Who out of the above subs is gonna come on and score, maybe Benayoun but thats it as far as i can see..
Very weak bench and a 20mill player who is a proven goal scorer sitting at home ::)
Keanes in the stand...surely if he was gone he wouldn't go near the game
He could be making a statement that he remains loyal to Liverpool and he doesn't want to leave but Rafa is forcing him out. I don't think any Liverpool fans will lose any respect for him if he does leave.
Decent first half, should be in the lead! What was Riera thinking all he had to do was side foot it with his right!!
Kuyt has done ok but some of his crossing has been very poor. Gerrard playing very well as is Alonso.
Strange to see Keane there with all the talk today!
Chelsea getting lucky with some blocked shots. That effort from Torres was heading into the corner of the net until it hit Alex.
Bad decision from the ref! :o
Wasnt even a free.
Shocking sending off. Not even a yellow. :-\
Awful decision, the only contact made was actually by Alonso on Lampard. I'd say Fat Frank is livid, don't blame him and amazed he didn't lose the plot with the ref. Terry picked up a yellow card and a suspension for complaining.
Feck's sake. Just won't go in today.
SG is a common cheat and its great to see him booked for it ;D
Chelsea are desperate, dont want to know.
Wont go in sure neither keeper has had a meaningfull save to make over paid sports men in my opinion..
The fa need to do something about cheating, needs to be stamped out. Gerrard is the worst offender, & now torres is at it. Disgraceful!
Get in there!!!! ;D
;D
How did Boswinga get away with that?
f**k that was some tackle at the corner flag by chelsea defender..not even a free ???
El Nino again!
Chelsea are horrible..even worse than there were at OT few weeks ago
Liverpool deserve it.
Chelsea were pathetic, didnt look like they wanted to know. I wouldnt be too happy if I was a fan.
Yet again Chelsea show they don't want to win the title. A good comeback for Liverpool after recent performances but there's no way there's a title in them. Chelsea rolled over but it took a disgraceful red card decision to give Liverpool the momentum they required. Benitez continues to puzzle
Well deserved for Liverpool, but the Lampard sending off was wrong.
Maybe Torres will kick on from here, but the difficulty Liverpool have in getting goals is still very worrying.
How the f**k did the linesman miss Bosingwa's "tackle" on Benayoun? :D He'll have a nice stud imprint on his lower back!
That 'tackle' was hilarrious! Like something you'd see in junior soccer. No harm to see one of the Chelsea players was frustrated. Couldn't imagine Ballack or Drogba doing that, wasters
Good result. Thought lpool controlled the game. Was really impresses with both aurelio and arbeloa offered a lot going forward for alonso to spray to the wings. Aurelio in particular has great technical ability. Gerrard was immense! Torres toiled well and got his rewards. even benyaoun surprised me when he came on!
Re the Keane situation. Feel sorry for the lad because he loves the club and noone will have wanted it to be a success other than himself. But he hasn't been at his best. At spurs he was always buzzing and demanding the ball but rarely seems to be as involved for liverpool! Gerrard a much better option in that position! The team today was the best 11 available to Rafa.
If he is to go tomorrow I would pray that Torres doesn't get injured again! shortage of quality strikers if he goes. If it was to spurs I would take darren bent on loan till the end of the season as cover! Lennon could help at the minute but hes not long term no way! Jenas no thanks!
I am not a liverpool fan but fair play to them the only football played today was by them they most defnitly deserved to win. Hope them and united go down to the last day.
i dont support any team in the title race but as an ireland fan i think the way keane has been treated is wrong
to put ngog on ahead of him is just crazy
he had a slow start to his anfield career but once he got going - a goal at emirates and two in the next game at home to bolton - wot does rafa do? drops him for the next 2 league games - newcastle and stoke
7 goals is by no means an embarrassment when u consider he hasnt been picked in a lot of games, and his general play has been good at times (setting up 2 at goodison and i remember a great ball away in psv for a goal just off the top of my head)
it looks like there is no way back for him now tho
ps the ref was a joke today
in the first five minutes gerrard did something very similar to wot rory delap was sent off for yesterday and didnt get booked
in the second half he did a studs up foul which i hav seen numerous players sent off for this season, got up and told the ref to f**k off twice. still no booking
eventually he got booked for diving (the ref prob realised his earlier mistakes)
it must be one rule for gerrard and rooney and another for the rest of the players
As said before England heroes going back to Bryan Robson et al get away with murder from the referees in England.
Quote from: slow corner back on February 01, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
As said before England heroes going back to Bryan Robson et al get away with murder from the referees in England.
Is Frank Lampard not English ???
Good win,though I thought Rafa should have been more positive after the sending off rather than waiting till the last 6 mins to change the formation.
No question Lampard shouldn't have been sent off,and depsite what Rafa said in the post match interview it did change the game.
Was surprised to see Keane in the stands,Im not sure what that means if anything
Lampard should have been sent off a couple of seasons ago when he broke Alonso's ankle with a tackle and wasn't. Karma is a cruel mistress indeed.
Now taken 10 from 12 points from the big four but those games against the likes of Stoke look like they will cost us.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: slow corner back on February 01, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
As said before England heroes going back to Bryan Robson et al get away with murder from the referees in England.
Is Frank Lampard not English ???
Fair point and by all accounts he was unlucky today but that may be the exception that proves the rule, how many times have you seen Gerrard, rooney or Terry get away with murder especially mouthing at refs
Quote from: slow corner back on February 01, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 06:51:41 PM
Quote from: slow corner back on February 01, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
As said before England heroes going back to Bryan Robson et al get away with murder from the referees in England.
Is Frank Lampard not English ???
Fair point and by all accounts he was unlucky today but that may be the exception that proves the rule, how many times have you seen Gerrard, rooney or Terry get away with murder especially mouthing at refs
Ah I know what you meant I was only being pedantic... :)
You definatly have a point in what your saying
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 01, 2009, 05:58:58 PM
Yet again Chelsea show they don't want to win the title. A good comeback for Liverpool after recent performances but there's no way there's a title in them. Chelsea rolled over but it took a disgraceful red card decision to give Liverpool the momentum they required. Benitez continues to puzzle
Please explain?
Asked whether Robbie Keane would still be at Anfield after the transfer window closes on Monday, Benitez replied: "Yes, I think so. He's here, he's our player and that's it."
Liverpool have one of the best "difference makers" i have seen, when they need to unlock the door this man is always a factor. His appearance is not always the same in games but he is almost impossible to pick up as it almost seems as if Liverpool have an extra man. He shows no sign of slowing up after almost 25 years with liverpool.........He looks like this sometimes......
(http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/20071006/18/14175606-soccer-barclays-premier-league-manchester-united-v-wigan-athletic-old.jpg)
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 01, 2009, 05:58:58 PM
Yet again Chelsea show they don't want to win the title. A good comeback for Liverpool after recent performances but there's no way there's a title in them. Chelsea rolled over but it took a disgraceful red card decision to give Liverpool the momentum they required. Benitez continues to puzzle
Please explain?
Dropping Keane from the squad for 2nd sunday in a row
Waiting until 86th minute before putting on an attacking player when Chelsea were down to 10 men for the last 30mins
Dirk staying on the whole game when we was shit again
Quote from: new devil on February 01, 2009, 08:10:30 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 01, 2009, 05:58:58 PM
Yet again Chelsea show they don't want to win the title. A good comeback for Liverpool after recent performances but there's no way there's a title in them. Chelsea rolled over but it took a disgraceful red card decision to give Liverpool the momentum they required. Benitez continues to puzzle
Please explain?
Dropping Keane from the squad for 2nd sunday in a row
Waiting until 86th minute before putting on an attacking player when Chelsea were down to 10 men for the last 30mins
Dirk staying on the whole game when he was shit again
Quote from: new devil on February 01, 2009, 08:10:30 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 07:58:11 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 01, 2009, 05:58:58 PM
Yet again Chelsea show they don't want to win the title. A good comeback for Liverpool after recent performances but there's no way there's a title in them. Chelsea rolled over but it took a disgraceful red card decision to give Liverpool the momentum they required. Benitez continues to puzzle
Please explain?
Dropping Keane from the squad for 2nd sunday in a row
Waiting until 86th minute before putting on an attacking player when Chelsea were down to 10 men for the last 30mins
Dirk staying on the whole game when we was shit again
Pretty much what I meant. When Lampard was sent off Liverpool should have went for the jugular but had no second striker to bring on and only brought Babel on very late on, the only attacking substitution as Benayoun for Riera was like for like. While the points ended up with Liverpool, and was deserved I guess because Chelsea were so meek but they didn't look like winning. I just think United would be a lot more gung ho in that position. They got the three points today but were lucky enough to do so
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 06:55:50 PM
Good win,though I thought Rafa should have been more positive after the sending off rather than waiting till the last 6 mins to change the formation.
No question Lampard shouldn't have been sent off,and depsite what Rafa said in the post match interview it did change the game.
Was surprised to see Keane in the stands,Im not sure what that means if anything
Think you off the mark on that one. Lampard shouldn't have walked but I'm glad to see him off. Never liked him. But don't think it changed the match, only one team looked like or appeared wanting to win the game at that stage. Chelsea hadn't a shot on goal until after the sending off. It would have been cruel not to win the game, a lack of confidence in front or goal and bad decision making, saved chelsea on occasion.
Delighted with win, would have just kept Liverpool in the hunt, while Chelsea looked a team thats been there, done it and aren't arsed to do it again.
Quote from: milltown row on February 01, 2009, 08:09:19 PM
Liverpool have one of the best "difference makers" i have seen, when they need to unlock the door this man is always a factor. His appearance is not always the same in games but he is almost impossible to pick up as it almost seems as if Liverpool have an extra man. He shows no sign of slowing up after almost 25 years with liverpool.........He looks like this sometimes......
(http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/empics/20071006/18/14175606-soccer-barclays-premier-league-manchester-united-v-wigan-athletic-old.jpg)
And Liverpool fans think he's biased towards Man U.
Truth is he's just not a very good ref. Like Rob Styles.
Quote from: new devil on February 01, 2009, 08:10:30 PM
Dropping Keane from the squad for 2nd sunday in a row
Waiting until 86th minute before putting on an attacking player when Chelsea were down to 10 men for the last 30mins
Dirk staying on the whole game when we was shit again
Liverpool won the match without Keane and there is obviously more to this than meets the eye but sure it must be rafa's fault.
Benayoun was brought on in he 74th min and babel in the 83rd so were you came up with the 86th I don't know.
That's your opinion on Kuyt i for one don't agree with it.
Now run along redandgreensniper needs his ass wiped
Quote from: bingobus on February 01, 2009, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2009, 06:55:50 PM
Good win,though I thought Rafa should have been more positive after the sending off rather than waiting till the last 6 mins to change the formation.
No question Lampard shouldn't have been sent off,and depsite what Rafa said in the post match interview it did change the game.
Was surprised to see Keane in the stands,Im not sure what that means if anything
Think you off the mark on that one. Lampard shouldn't have walked but I'm glad to see him off. Never liked him. But don't think it changed the match, only one team looked like or appeared wanting to win the game at that stage. Chelsea hadn't a shot on goal until after the sending off. It would have been cruel not to win the game, a lack of confidence in front or goal and bad decision making, saved Chelsea on occasion.
Delighted with win, would have just kept Liverpool in the hunt, while Chelsea looked a team thats been there, done it and aren't arsed to do it again.
Anytime a player of the quality of Lampard is sent off it has to have a bearing on the game,yes everything you say is true regarding Liverpool being all over them etc but I doubt Rafa would have went for the jugular like he did(albeit with only a few mins to go) by changing the formation if Cheslea still had their full compliment of players..
Liverpool only scored in the 88min and he had just changed the formation a few mins before that,and up to that point apart from a Benayoun volley and Alonso hitting the crossbar with a defelected shot we didn't really create many clear cut chances
Thats not to say we wouldn't have scored if Lampard had stayed on, though we'll never know that now will we..
Anyway sure what does it matter as you say I also am delighted with the win
Classic quote from Jonathan Pearce during this match.
"It'll be a sad day for football if they ever outlaw the tackle."
Jaysus Gerrard was lucky to stay on today and Lampard was badly done by. Liverpool were the better team alright. Was hoping Chelsea would win because I think they haven't got the heart for the fight. Liverpool have a bit of spirit about them despite their flaws and all the distractions (Robbie, owners, transfers, loopy manager) and that could take them a long way.
Keane sadly - while he hasn't set the world alight - appears to have become a pawn in a game of power between the manager and the director(s).
Watched the highlights there. liverpool were clearly the better team. Chelsea does not look like a happy ship. Cech may have been at fault for the first goal but he made enough saves to make a game of it. Lampard was very unlucky and I have no idea what ref was at. Bosingwa was lucky and I have no idea what the ref was at. Perhaps the ref had no idea what the ref was at!
It is United's title to lose. While Livepool have been able to get over the hurdle of bad results against their main rivals, they are still coming up short against teams they should be beating comfortably. Good though to see Torres getting his game going again, he may yet swing it, but he needs a big helping hand from a few others.
As for Keane, he will be there to the end of the season. If he was leaving he would not have been in the stand today.
Adriano in possible loan move to Liverpool :o
Where did you see that LaoisLad?
reading a Liverpool Fc fans forum at the moment and they are all posting about the rumour Adriano is a possible loan move target...
These are guys on the forum are often spot on with what they post on transfers etc..
Great to get the win, and Liverpool's domination deserved it. 20 goal attempts to 4.
Substitutions worked today, I thought Benny made a big difference and even Babel showed some energy for a change.
Great cross by Aurelio and lovely header by Torres for the goal.
Alonso gave Lampard the absolute run around in midfield and hence his frustration. Tackling with a foot in the air and studs showing is always risky. I doubt Ballack or Malouda broke sweat during the game. Very similar to the United-Chelsea game, just took us a bit longer to get the opening goal, and if the ref had played 30 seconds longer the scoreline would have been the same.
Result will count for feck all if they don't beat Pompey next Saturday.
Meant to say also:
Riera is barely recognisable from the player who made such a great impact in the first half of the season. Maybe could two with a couple of weeks in Spain to recharge the batteries.
Is there a right winger in the premiership who is a worse crosser of the ball than Kuyt? He's as much chance of hitting those security people who sit behind the goals as he has of hitting Torres.
great result yesterday and fully deserved the 3 points. Chelsea never even looked like they wanted to win the game. Ref had an absolute nightmare - the Lampard sending off was a ridiculous decision, gerrard should have seen red and as for the bosingwa kickboxing tackle..... well maybe the ref and linesman just didnt get a good view :-\ At least riley got the gerrard dive spot on. shameful act by gerrard and I was delighted he got pulled up on it.
also, surprised it hasnt been said here but for me, Liverpool were denied a blatant penalty when terry lunged in on kuyt. Now i admit I was watching a live stream so wasnt exactly sky quality but it did look clearcut to me, Terry didnt get anywhere near the ball. and that was before the Lampard "game changing" incident.
thought aurelio and arbeloa played well and offered some width, Alonso again was excellent, masherano hasnt been playing well lately and needs to improve, kuyt huffs and puffs but again far too often he takes the wrong option, very very frustrating. torres was quiet enough and well marshalled for most of the game, but all he needs is one chance. And Benny looked quite lively when he came on.
Even though we deserved the 3 points, we were quite lucky - chelsea were comfortable enough until the sending off. If nothing else, this game should hopefully teach rafa that you never, ever, ever take torres off if you're looking for a goal. He just needs one half chance to bury a team. When babel was coming on, I was fully expecting rafa to haul off Torres, especially with Riera having already left the pitch.
As for the keane situatuion, i feel really sorry for the lad. He's a decent enough player who I dont believe has been given a fair chance by the manager. But if the manager is insisting on leaving a 20m player in the stand, then it'd be best for all concerned if keane left the club now.
QuoteThink you off the mark on that one. Lampard shouldn't have walked but I'm glad to see him off. Never liked him. But don't think it changed the match, only one team looked like or appeared wanting to win the game at that stage. Chelsea hadn't a shot on goal until after the sending off. It would have been cruel not to win the game, a lack of confidence in front or goal and bad decision making, saved chelsea on occasion.
Delighted with win, would have just kept Liverpool in the hunt, while Chelsea looked a team thats been there, done it and aren't arsed to do it again.
Losing a player, especially your best, is definitely going to affect a team. Poor enough game, and Chelsea have gone backwards big time in comparison to the team packed with steel and grit from the Mourinho years. Liverpool were fortunate enough, and to be honest they didn't look that impressive - lack a cutting edge which is a result of them carrying too many standard premiership class players (Kuyt, Reira etc). I see Stevie G was at his usual Tom Daley impression - pretty pathetic.
Lampard was unlucky, but the ref was a bollocks for both sides from the kick off - he is just useless.
Booking Gerard was the one thing he got right. As a Liverpool fan I would hope it would cause him to cut the diving, but I wont hold my breath.
How bosingwa didnt get anything at the corner flag was a joke. Straight red definitely.
You'd imagine Boswinga might get done on video evidence. What was he thinking? Crazy.
Setanta Sports News: Robbie Keane has not trained with Liverpool this morning
According to Sky, Keane is on his way to London after Spurs make "cash only" offer.
Saviola.
Quote from: Minder on February 02, 2009, 11:13:45 AM
According to Sky, Keane is on his way to London after Spurs make "cash only" offer.
Looks like the end...Spurs only making €13mill bid though
Hyypia being linked with Sunderland
was at the match yesterday standing in the kop and it was pretty noticeable no one was chanting for raffa,alot of locals around me thought he wont last the season.
You couldnt belive a word that comes out of Rafas mouth!
Saviola? Dont know about that!
Long way to go yet?
Would you fancy Aaron Lennon to solve Liverpools winger problems?
See Inter Milan have left Ricardo Quaresma out of their CL squad.. Didnt Rafa go after this boy before?
Reckon keane is gone. He looked too relaxed yesterday in crowd like he knew something was sorted.
I never got that Robbie Keane purchase and was astonished they offered Crouch plus money for him!!!! Should have been other way around As a blue man I'd have Crouch anytime...
Quote from: under the bar on January 30, 2009, 10:01:53 AM
Ardal says:
QuoteHuntelaar is getting a ton more match practice. Diarra is only getting a few minutes here and there. Think that clears up who they'll play
Corn02 says:
QuoteBut European football is a different beast. I have a feeling they will pick Diarra.
Who's right? Only time will tell! Who would you put your money on?
Diarra has been included in Real Madrids squad for the Champions League
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 11:40:57 AM
I never got that Robbie Keane purchase and was astonished they offered Crouch plus money for him!!!! Should have been other way around As a blue man I'd have Crouch anytime...
He'd be a good replacement for Spike alright. Don't think Linfield could afford him though.
IMHO, it would be best for all sides if Keane got the fcuk out of town
Rafa is wasting the player, leaving himself open to criticism when Keane is dropped & keeping the bitterness open with the people at the top who supposedly bought Keane
A real mess all round
Keane & Defoe didnt work together before at the Lane, what makes 'Arry think it will work now?
Sounds like Defoe could be out injured for a while now so Arry might want to get a striker in ASAP. I would be happy enough to see lennon come to Liverpool. He has that touch of speed which might work well. At least it would be another option to playing Kuyt there.
A couple of observations from yesterdays game.
- Aside from Gerrard long range efforts, Liverpool find it difficult to score when Torres doesn't do it. The better teams will work out how to contain him and thus contain Liverpool. A second striker who is proven at the top level must be a priority.
- Rob Styles is a joke of a referee.
- Chelsea have serious problems and Scolari seems to have aged 5 years in as many months.
- Steven Gerrard will not get sent off in English football regardless as to what he does.
skysports news expect the transfer of keane to spurs to go through with spurs agreeing to drop interest in saviola to allow l'pool to tie up a deal
Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
A couple of observations from yesterdays game.
- Aside from Gerrard long range efforts, Liverpool find it difficult to score when Torres doesn't do it. The better teams will work out how to contain him and thus contain Liverpool. A second striker who is proven at the top level must be a priority.
- Rob Styles is a joke of a referee.
- Chelsea have serious problems and Scolari seems to have aged 5 years in as many months.
- Steven Gerrard will not get sent off in English football regardless as to what he does.
that he may be but he was not ref yesterday
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 02, 2009, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 11:40:57 AM
I never got that Robbie Keane purchase and was astonished they offered Crouch plus money for him!!!! Should have been other way around As a blue man I'd have Crouch anytime...
He'd be a good replacement for Spike alright. Don't think Linfield could afford him though.
Nice one centurian... like it. (For bonus point... line from which film?)
Interesting piece from the Liverpool echo re Gillett:
George Gillett: "Why are Liverpool FC fans so angry with me?"
Feb 2 2009 EXCLUSIVE by Tony Barrett
LIVERPOOL FC co-owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks endured a torrid day on Merseyside as they ran the gauntlet of protesting fans.
The Americans were left in no doubt about the strength of feeling against them when supporters staged a demonstration at Anfield following the Reds' 2-0 win over Chelsea.
Around 300 fans gathered outside the directors' entrance, chanting for Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett to sell the club they bought from former owner David Moores two years ago this month.
The protest was entirely peaceful but noisy and the chants could be heard inside the stadium long after the final whistle had been blown on Liverpool's victory.
Throughout the match, a group of fans in the paddock, right in front of where Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett were sitting in the directors box, displayed a banner which read "Thanks but no Yanks".
Earlier in the day, members of the Spirit Of Shankly (SOS) fans' group converged on the Crowne Plaza hotel at the Pier Head where Gillett was staying.
Mr Gillett, who had earlier declined an opportunity to be interviewed by the ECHO, was clearly unprepared for their arrival as a number of supporters got past hotel security to confront him.
But after quickly recovering his composure, the Colorado-based businessman agreed to speak with to SOS spokesman Jay McKenna in the hotel foyer.
The demonstrators were well-behaved and well-organised throughout, although police did arrive on the scene to ensure hotel guests could come and go unhindered.
Mr McKenna emerged from his impromptu meeting with Mr Gillett to inform those gathered outside of what he was just told.
Mr McKenna said: "I told him all the fans who were outside and thousands more were angry and upset at how he and Tom Hicks were running the club.
"He looked shocked and asked me why. I told him he knew why, because he met Spirit Of Shankly before the Manchester United game.
"I said 'fans see it as you have made three promises and broken them'. So he asked me what they were.
"The first one was the debt on the football club. I told him his partner Tom Hicks promised it would not be like the Glazer takeover at Manchester United, and to fans that meant no debt on the club.
"He claimed to be unaware and asked what I meant. I told him they had bought the club and then placed the debt for buying the club onto the club.
"He claimed this was at the 'request of the banks' and they were in a 'sound financial position' with 'revenue per pound or dollar in ratio to the debt' better than at any other football club.
"When I asked about the extension to July, he claimed that was false and no-one else knew the true details because they were kept confidential.
"The second one was backing the manager and then not doing so. I said they said they would back the manager, so why had they approached Jurgen Klinsmann about the position of manager?
"He then went onto claim they had met with the manager, who told them he was to have discussions with 'three other teams' about joining them and they approached Klinsmann to have him in place to work as a 'consultant at the club' if Benitez left them.
"I asked why they had approached Klinsmann, because his pedigree was not one that immediately made fans sit up and take note.
"He claimed Klinsmann had a brilliant track record, and he had excellent marketing talent, having close links with those at Adidas, Nike and Reebok and the benefits of him being at Liverpool.
"I asked who the three clubs were, but he refused to answer.
"The third one was the stadium. I told Gillett the situation with the stadium angered fans, because Gillett himself had promised a spade in the ground in 60 days, and it still had not happened.
"He denied making this claim and said it was a 'made-up quote by the media'and he would be interested to see such a quote.
"I asked why work on the stadium dragged on before they finally blamed the credit crunch for it not happening.
"He claimed they had spent £100m on the stadium so far and were still working with designers, architects and planners.
"I asked why they were spending the club's money on this and he claimed it was coming from himself and Tom Hicks and not the club.
"I asked if the club's accounts would show and support this when they are released, and he said yes. "Gillett then claimed all transfer fees to date had been met by himself and Tom.
"He said when they bought the club, they were told about the 'Liverpool Way'.
"I asked if he felt they had been true custodians as they promised. Gillett told me he 'had tried, but it had been difficult' and they had 'done what they could'.
"I asked why he could not speak for Hicks because he was his partner.
"He said that 'husband and wife can say different things but one does not get the blame'.
"I explained they were both responsible, and he was not happy at being blamed.
"I asked why he was in partnership with Hicks. He said Hicks and himself had worked together well for six years in other businesses such as food, but this is different because the media are involved.
"I asked, would he or Tom Hicks, or both, be selling their stakes in Liverpool. "Again, he told me he cannot speak for Tom Hicks. I asked, had there been any offers for the club, and were they currently meeting anyone about it?
He told me: 'Yes, there have been expressions of interest and some negotiation'.
"I asked who with, and he told me he could not tell me that. I asked would he sell, and he admitted he was 'open to it', but he could not speak for Hicks.
"I then went to walk away, and he came after me saying, 'A few weeks ago, we were in first position, then a certain individual from the club attacked another individual from another club, and, since then, we have lost form and slid down the league.'
"I was stunned, and asked if he was blaming Benitez as a result, and in saying that, was he not backing the manager?
"Rather than confirm or deny as I expected, he replied 'that's your implication', before I walked away and back outside to the real world."
Quote from: isourboydownyet on February 02, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
skysports news expect the transfer of keane to spurs to go through with spurs agreeing to drop interest in saviola to allow l'pool to tie up a deal
Always had a soft spot for Saviola.
I'll post about the match laster, why am I bigging this up? Because I am going to say Kuyt was poor. :o
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Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
A couple of observations from yesterdays game.
- Aside from Gerrard long range efforts, Liverpool find it difficult to score when Torres doesn't do it. The better teams will work out how to contain him and thus contain Liverpool. A second striker who is proven at the top level must be a priority.
It's not the better teams we have a problem with. It's the bad ones that get everyone behind the ball. Just don't have the width and invention to break down a packed defence.
Quote from: corn02 on February 02, 2009, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on February 02, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
skysports news expect the transfer of keane to spurs to go through with spurs agreeing to drop interest in saviola to allow l'pool to tie up a deal
Always had a soft spot for Saviola.
I'll post about the match laster, why am I bigging this up? Because I am going to say Kuyt was poor. :o
Saviola has never been one of those who I liked, not sure he has the substance behind the flair. I havent being closely following La Liga in the last couple of seasons but rarely getting a look in recently at a Madrid team that's hardly flying isn't a great sign. But if Benitez is really interested then obviously he thinks he can make an impact.
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It's not the better teams we have a problem with. It's the bad ones that get everyone behind the ball. Just don't have the width and invention to break down a packed defence.
Rieras form has stuttered in conjunction with our poor form - maybe no coincidence.
Keane having a medical with Spurs according to Sky
Right the match.
I thought we were feckin brillian, we battered them from the off. Nine shots on taget, couple with a couple of near misses, is no bad return chance wise.
They were toothless and I like big Phil, but he will be gone soon. Club went down in my books the way they treated Grant. The sending off obviosuly had an impact, but we were in cntrol at that stage anyway. I thought it may have had a detrimental effect ike Arsenal, but we got there in the end.
The whole team, bar two, were excellent. Arbeloa continues to shine while Mascherano looks like the player of last year.
The two who were poor were Kuyt and Reira. They were abysmal in the first half, neither offered anything. Ok, both were average after the break, but they will need to start upping their performances..
On the flipside, Yoiss, once again, is proving that he has something to offer the team. He is another player I have defended and I think he is a player that will always get abuse. He has been good this season, even earlier in the year he has had some very good cameos. He does frustrate but a bit like Garcia. Also, where has El Zhar gone?
Torres looked very lively all day, but an inspired Alex was proving hard to crack. Kudos to Alex by the way, if Rio or Carra had of thrown their bodies around like he did yesterday there would have been a lot more praise.
People were wondering why Rafa didn't go more attacking sooner, I actually think he got it spot on.With the frmation the same, we were comingg forward with wave after wave of attack. Ok you could argue the last sub changed it, but I think we were motoring all right.
Gerrard is rampant right now. He is like a man possessed, although, going on consistency, he shuld have walked. Glad to see him getting a yellow card for diving. Rooney, Ronaldo and Gerrard are all getting caught out now - good stuff.
The sending off was never a red card, but after that phantom penalty last season who cares?
Still miles off United, but that was a massive win for all concerned, a lot more than three points given the last month.
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Transfers..
Ok Robbie is gone by the looks of things.
Saviola would be a nice replacement, the man has sme record, although it has never worked out at Real even though he has scored when he does appear for them - bit like Owen a few years back.
He would probably be suited more to Liverpool's current stlye as he is always about syle and pace. Very inventive player. I used to love watching him for Barcelona. So that would get the thumbs up from me.
---- Diarra.
Not surprised that he was included, Europe and domestic very different.
Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
- Aside from Gerrard long range efforts, Liverpool find it difficult to score when Torres doesn't do it. The better teams will work out how to contain him and thus contain Liverpool.
United have a very effetive strategy for this. they gently place him in rio's arse pocket at kick off and return him to rafa upon the ending of the game.
Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
- Steven Gerrard will not get sent off in English football regardless as to what he does.
Unless he dives blatantly twice in some game
Here's a thought...
Premier League comes down to last day of season...
Liverpool have to win to have any chance of being crowned Champions....
Who are they playing ??? Spurs!!!!
Liverpool lead 1-0..Uniteds game is over and they have only drew..Liverpool are going to be Premier League Champions..........until Robbie Keane scores for Spurs from 30yards in injury time
It could happen :o
Quote from: The GAA on February 02, 2009, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
- Aside from Gerrard long range efforts, Liverpool find it difficult to score when Torres doesn't do it. The better teams will work out how to contain him and thus contain Liverpool.
United have a very effetive strategy for this. they gently place him in rio's arse pocket at kick off and return him to rafa upon the ending of the game.
Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
- Steven Gerrard will not get sent off in English football regardless as to what he does.
Unless he dives blatantly twice in some game
Apart from set pieces, Rio has never marked Torres. Its Vidic who picks him up.
Quote from: The GAA on February 02, 2009, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
- Aside from Gerrard long range efforts, Liverpool find it difficult to score when Torres doesn't do it. The better teams will work out how to contain him and thus contain Liverpool.
United have a very effetive strategy for this. they gently place him in rio's arse pocket at kick off and return him to rafa upon the ending of the game.
Has Torres not only played once against United? Are you basing it on one game? Bit stupid.
Quote from: The GAA on February 02, 2009, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: under the bar on February 02, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
- Aside from Gerrard long range efforts, Liverpool find it difficult to score when Torres doesn't do it. The better teams will work out how to contain him and thus contain Liverpool.
United have a very effetive strategy for this. they gently place him in rio's arse pocket at kick off and return him to rafa upon the ending of the game.
If by arse pocket you mean kick him up and down the length of the field. They didn't in the first game this season but mainly because he wasn't on the pitch. In the two games last year he really came in for some rough treatment. Especially the game at OT.
no, vidic normally attacks everything / goes tight with the centre forward and rio sweeps but for the pool last year they reversed that, to excellent effect both times. rio is as agile and fast as torres so he is perfect for him.
Quote from: The GAA on February 02, 2009, 01:17:03 PM
no, vidic normally attacks everything / goes tight with the centre forward and rio sweeps but for the pool last year they reversed that, to excellent effect both times. rio is as agile and fast as torres so he is perfect for him.
Ok so two games, hardly fair to make an summption on two games?
think the criticism of Riera is unfair! thought he had an excellent first half yesterday. was highly involved and has a great touch to get himself out of tight situations. Maybe he just needs to work on his delivery but its much better than Kuyt. Kuyt frustrated yesterday with his decisiions and rushed passing and crossing but as usual he put himself about and really managed to unsettle Chelsea at times through his interceptions. Benayoun was good when he came on but is too lightweight and his off days are more frequent than his good days. Babel for me could be moved on in the summer. He got the ball yesterday after coming on and didn't have a clue what to do. Just ran for the corner and was easily dispossesd. Have to agree that wide midfield areas require considerable improvemnt for next year but overall yeaterday I was pleased with how hard the team worked and controlled the game. Think we could go far in the champions league with that team! hard to beat with a couple of match winners in gerrard and torres with alonso pulling the strings!
Quote from: The GAA on February 02, 2009, 01:17:03 PM
no, vidic normally attacks everything / goes tight with the centre forward and rio sweeps but for the pool last year they reversed that, to excellent effect both times. rio is as agile and fast as torres so he is perfect for him.
No they did not.
I was at the game at Anfield last year and Rio kept well away from Torres.
Liverpool Football Club have confirmed that they've granted Robbie Keane permission to talk to Tottenham Hotspur about a possible return to White Hart Lane - but insist no deal has been finalised between the two clubs.
An LFC spokesperson told Liverpoolfc.tv: "We've allowed Robbie to talk to Spurs but we've not yet finalised a deal with them for the player."
From official
How much a week was he on at Spurs and how much when he joined Liverpool?
We could do with lennon as part of this, shows a real lack of ambition if we let him go without getting someone else in
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
We could do with lennon as part of this, shows a real lack of ambition if we let him go without getting someone else in
Talksport have said they are trying to sign a well known player from a Spanish club. Bit vague, but there you go.
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 02, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
We could do with lennon as part of this, shows a real lack of ambition if we let him go without getting someone else in
Talksport have said they are trying to sign a well known player from a Spanish club. Bit vague, but there you go.
Messi
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 02, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
We could do with lennon as part of this, shows a real lack of ambition if we let him go without getting someone else in
Talksport have said they are trying to sign a well known player from a Spanish club. Bit vague, but there you go.
Messi
Who would you drop?
Rafa
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 02, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
We could do with lennon as part of this, shows a real lack of ambition if we let him go without getting someone else in
Talksport have said they are trying to sign a well known player from a Spanish club. Bit vague, but there you go.
Saviola.
Quote from: corn02 on February 02, 2009, 02:57:33 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 02, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
We could do with lennon as part of this, shows a real lack of ambition if we let him go without getting someone else in
Talksport have said they are trying to sign a well known player from a Spanish club. Bit vague, but there you go.
Saviola.
I reckon this would be a good move if it is a loan move as reported. No real gamble on our part
Quote from: corn02 on February 02, 2009, 02:57:33 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 02, 2009, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
We could do with lennon as part of this, shows a real lack of ambition if we let him go without getting someone else in
Talksport have said they are trying to sign a well known player from a Spanish club. Bit vague, but there you go.
Saviola.
Or Steve Finnan is coming back from Espanyol :)
Tottenham have made a cash-only offer in the region of £15m to bring Liverpool striker Robbie Keane back to White Hart Lane, BBC Sport understands.
Liverpool have confirmed that Keane, 28, has permission to talk to Spurs - but insist no deal has been finalised.
BBC Radio 5 Live football reporter Ian Dennis said on Monday: "He is on the verge of going back."
Keane signed for the Anfield club for £20.3m in July but now looks set to have a medical with his former club.
Reds boss Rafael Benitez said on Sunday that "no new offers" had been received for the striker after leaving him out of the club's squad for 2-0 win over Chelsea.
But Spurs appear to have made their move on Monday - scheduled to be the final day of the transfer window - though it is understood they will not consider a swap deal involving winger Aaron Lennon.
Republic of Ireland captain Keane left White Hart Lane for Anfield in the summer - a move he described as the fulfilment of a boyhood dream - but has struggled to establish himself on Merseyside, scoring five goals in 19 appearances so far.
Although Benitez hinted that Keane could remain at Anfield, the Spaniard stopped just short of a definitive answer on his future.
"I think Robbie Keane will be here when the transfer window shuts," he said on Sunday.
"I haven't seen any new offers. I don't know if the club have had any offers. He's here, he's our player. That's it."
He was dropped from the squad for the FA Cup draw with Everton but returned for the Premier League game with Wigan, albeit as a late substitute.
And he watched from the stands as Liverpool beat Chelsea with two late goals on Sunday.
"He was left out because we were considering all our good players and who we needed for this game," added Benitez, explaining Keane's non-involvement against Chelsea.
"It was only a decision based on this match and our requirements.
"I have spoken to Robbie, he was there in the dressing room beforehand, and we also spoke afterwards and we were just talking about the game.
"He was pleased because the team had won. He is part of my squad, I would expect him to be in my Champions League squad."
Does anyone else here think that there has been a rift between Robbie Keane and Stevy G??? couple of weeks back in the paper Stevy was talking to Lawro (in private) about keane and then lawro went and blabbed to the paper i think that there had been Badd Blood (wwe ref) between these two ever since, which has now led to the departure of RB from his beloved club!!!!
Keane in talks with Spurs on deadline day
Monday, 2 February 2009 15:06
Robbie Keane was on the verge of a sensational return to Tottenham from Liverpool on a transfer deadline day extended due to the snowy weather conditions.
Keane, who has endured a frustrating six months at Anfield after leaving Spurs in the summer for £20.3million, has been given permission to speak to his former club.
'We've allowed Robbie to talk to Spurs but we've not yet finalised a deal with them for the player,' said a Liverpool spokesman.
It means Keane was in the frame to become the third player manager Harry Redknapp has brought back to White Hart Lane this month, following Jermain Defoe and Pascal Chimbonda.
Quote from: longball on February 02, 2009, 03:09:04 PM
Does anyone else here think that there has been a rift between Robbie Keane and Stevy G??? couple of weeks back in the paper Stevy was talking to Lawro (in private) about keane and then lawro went and blabbed to the paper i think that there had been Badd Blood (wwe ref) between these two ever since, which has now led to the departure of RB from his beloved club!!!!
which paper was this in?
QuoteDoes anyone else here think that there has been a rift between Robbie Keane and Stevy G??? couple of weeks back in the paper Stevy was talking to Lawro (in private) about keane and then lawro went and blabbed to the paper i think that there had been Badd Blood (wwe ref) between these two ever since, which has now led to the departure of RB from his beloved club!!!!
RB? Is Benitez going as a well?
I hope not. :D
Quote from: EC Unique on February 02, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
I hope not. :D
You and me both
In Rafa we trust..........
keane transfer confirmed,clubs have agreed fee
Quote from: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 03:12:46 PM
Keane in talks with Spurs on deadline day
Monday, 2 February 2009 15:06
Keane, who has endured a frustrating six months at Anfield after leaving Spurs in the summer for £20.3million, has been given permission to speak to his former club.
One of the English papers today said Liverpool bought him for £18m + addons which brought it up to £20.3m, but none of the add-ons have materialised therefore £18m is the figure.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 12:12:13 PM
Quote from: Chrisowc on February 02, 2009, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 11:40:57 AM
I never got that Robbie Keane purchase and was astonished they offered Crouch plus money for him!!!! Should have been other way around As a blue man I'd have Crouch anytime...
He'd be a good replacement for Spike alright. Don't think Linfield could afford him though.
Nice one centurian... like it. (For bonus point... line from which film?)
Give up you Liverpool slabbers? :-*
Sad to see him go,especially after he didn't get a fair crack at it with Liverpool
I'm disgusted with the way he was treated at Anfield and Rafa has gone down a little in my estimation over it.
Fee agreed 15m according to todayfm sports news.
Me too. Rafa obviously didn't fancy him from the off, and he was the scapegoat every time. Not surprising his confidence would have been affected.
Rafa, you're a strange, strange man.
Good win yesterday, but not unexpected. As I said, against the better teams we're capable of doing that on any given day. It's the games in between playing Chelsea, United, Arsenal etc that will determine the destination of the league title (i.e. Old Trafford).
Would have liked to have seen him done well but he never once looked like he added anything to the team and in some of the games you'd have had to check the teamsheet to see if he was actually playing. He will be remembered for some of his misses rather than his goals, if he had finished some of glaring misses in a few of the games that we drew, then he may have deserved more chances.
I don't think he'll be missed and I won't lose any sleep over it.
Selling Keane may sound good now but what happens if torres picks up another hamstring problem for Spain, is kuyt the only striker i'm not counting babel r n'gog because their shite!!!!
reports of saviola coming on loan with a view to permanent deal
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
Me too. Rafa obviously didn't fancy him from the off, and he was the scapegoat every time. Not surprising his confidence would have been affected.
Benitez did not want Keane, the deal to bring Keane to Anfield was done by Rick Parry, Benitez had nothing to do with it. Benitez and Parry have had a fall out and Benitez used Keane as a way of getting back at Parry.
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 12:12:13 PM
Nice one centurian... like it. (For bonus point... line from which film?)
Give up you Liverpool slabbers? :-*
I can only assume nobody answered as they thought you where joking, as it is ridiculously easy question.
Strange alright but its in Keane's interest to go to a team where he'll get regular games and where they actually try and pass the ball!!!
Quote from: isourboydownyet on February 02, 2009, 04:16:07 PM
reports of saviola coming on loan with a view to permanent deal
50 mins left they would want to get the move on....
Why is there an extension due to weather conditions ?
Fax machines arent affected by snow !
Travelling for medicals and the like?
If they are cutting it that fine, they should pay the cost of missing it.
Does this leave 0 Irish at Liverpool now, at least around the first team? With Finnan gone, and Keane, I can't think of anybody else apart from a couple of very young lads. That's fairly unusual.
Is Spain the new Ireland?
They have to fax the fa by the cut off that they have agreed the deal in principle, and prove that the weather is affecting the finalizing of the deal.
Quote from: nifan on February 02, 2009, 04:19:26 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 02, 2009, 12:12:13 PM
Nice one centurian... like it. (For bonus point... line from which film?)
Give up you Liverpool slabbers? :-*
I can only assume nobody answered as they thought you where joking, as it is ridiculously easy question.
Oh! anyway as I can't be bothered getting the Everton thread going at the moment me thinks the reds will wil come unstuck on Wednesday -shades of King ::) Kennys demise in 1990. Is it on UTV?
Surely if youre looking to sign someone on the final day, you have them present for their medical early. If not have a representative with the player at their address/club to sign relevant forms. In this day and age and with the amounts of money involved its crazy that a 5PM cant be met, whether the player is phyisically present or not
Aye the game is on utv - 8.10 ko
QuoteBenitez did not want Keane, the deal to bring Keane to Anfield was done by Rick Parry, Benitez had nothing to do with it. Benitez and Parry have had a fall out and Benitez used Keane as a way of getting back at Parry.
Is there any evidence of this or is it just pub talk?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 04:06:20 PM
Sad to see him go,especially after he didn't get a fair crack at it with Liverpool
I'm disgusted with the way he was treated at Anfield and Rafa has gone down a little in my estimation over it.
Was it that bad though? He started something like 16 league games. He averaged 78 minuts on the pitch. There were times that he needed more playing time, but, in the majority, he just didn;t take his chances.
Quote from: nifan on February 02, 2009, 04:31:05 PM
Aye the game is on utv - 8.10 ko
Thanks-good stuff...
Keane was shocking in almost every game he played. Some where so bad to be comical - PNE in the cup????
Keane hadn't played well, but in fairness what was he signed to be? An out an out front man rotating with Torres? In that case, it was a stupid buy. A link man to play off Torres with Gerrard a bit behind them in a 4 man midfield? A bit more sensible, but he never got a run with Torres, due to Torres' injury.
Either way, he was harshly done by in my opinion. He was either bought as a square block in a round hole, or else he never got to play in the role that suited him best.
Keane was shite for 99% of the time he was on the pitch.
Rafa implied over the weekend that he did not buy Keane, pretty much cementing the rumours that it was the board/Parry who brought him in.
Slan
Some miserable git has said Liverpool have agreed a fee with Valencia for Villa and apparently its travelling like wildfire thru internet forums. If only...
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
Keane hadn't played well, but in fairness what was he signed to be? An out an out front man rotating with Torres? In that case, it was a stupid buy. A link man to play off Torres with Gerrard a bit behind them in a 4 man midfield? A bit more sensible, but he never got a run with Torres, due to Torres' injury.
Either way, he was harshly done by in my opinion. He was either bought as a square block in a round hole, or else he never got to play in the role that suited him best.
he was bought as a striker,weather it be up front on his own or just off nothing excuses for some of his misses
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 02, 2009, 04:32:35 PM
QuoteBenitez did not want Keane, the deal to bring Keane to Anfield was done by Rick Parry, Benitez had nothing to do with it. Benitez and Parry have had a fall out and Benitez used Keane as a way of getting back at Parry.
Is there any evidence of this or is it just pub talk?
Got it from a good source, its also mentioned on quite a few Liverpool forums.
I am no fan of Keane, but he was treated very badly by Benitez. He was coming in to a bit of form and scored a few goals only to be dropped again. Parry still controls the purse stings at Anfield, he gets the final say in who Liverpool buy, Benitez has not signed a new contract as he wants to be the decision maker regarding transfers.
I wouldn't say Keane was shite. He did have some games where he was awful alright (namely Preston in the cup when he could have scored 4 and Everton a couple of weeks ago when he barely touched the ball). However he did play well in some games also. He never received the leeway that someone like Kuyt has been given. Ultimately I don't think he ever felt wanted at Liverpool and that affected his performances on the pitch. A pity for someone who grew up supporting to club to have such a terrible time with them after he finally realises his dream. Back at Spurs Redknapp will probably have the arm over his shoulder and he could well end up doing quite well for them again.
so its official keane is away, for almost the same terms that he came to liverpool.
Replacement?
Quote from: heganboy on February 02, 2009, 04:55:09 PM
so its official keane is away, for almost the same terms that he came to liverpool.
Replacement?
3 mins left doesn't look like anyone
50 secs
30 secs
That's f**king ridiculous, in fairness.
10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.
Looks like Keane out. Nobody in.
Pray for Torres' hamstrings.
Will make for an interesting chapter in Keane's autobiography.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2009, 05:00:50 PM
Looks like Keane out. Nobody in.
Pray for Torres' hamstrings.
Complete joke...
That is ridiculous.
That is Benitez putting two fingers up to the powers that be and saying I'm in charge.
Poor show - no-one adequate to replace him at all.
As I said. f**king ridiculous. Unless there's something signed that we haven't heard of yet, this is absolute crass stupidity.
Guess who Liverpool play in the last game of the league. Thats right spurs. Now just imagine that liverpool need to win their last game to win the title and up steps Robbie to break their hearts. Could it happen
Is there any fee mentioned yet. Surely Liverpool will lose money on Keane?
Quote from: Hereiam on February 02, 2009, 05:04:30 PM
Guess who Liverpool play in the last game of the league. Thats right spurs. Now just imagine that liverpool need to win their last game to win the title and up steps Robbie to break their hearts. Could it happen
Nope. If Liverpool are in a position to win the title on the last day, I'll be shocked.
Quote from: heineken_on_tap on February 02, 2009, 05:05:14 PM
Is there any fee mentioned yet. Surely Liverpool will lose money on Keane?
£15m, rising to £19m with add ons according to bbc.
Given the 20.3m paid included add ons they reckon it has the potential to be about equal
19m including addons
Reina has played up top in the past. Id rather have him there than Robbie.
Babel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
The more I think about it the more frustrated I get. It really beggars belief. And reading that list just makes it worse. I think we are fucked anyway, but if Torres breaks down again, which is very possible, we might as well wind it up for the year.
Rafa, you're a strange strange man.
Better than the Robbie Keane we have seen since August, for sure.
Quote from: Hereiam on February 02, 2009, 05:04:30 PM
Guess who Liverpool play in the last game of the league. Thats right spurs. Now just imagine that liverpool need to win their last game to win the title and up steps Robbie to break their hearts. Could it happen
Well it would be pure madness by Keane if he did as he would be throwing away a league winners medal. It would be a bizarre situation if it came to pass.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:08:47 PM
Babel ,Ngog ,Kuyt, El Zhar, Nemeth
World Class ::)
Just like Keane proved to be.
Listen if Torres or Gerard gets injured, we are fecked. It wouldn't matter a dot if Keane, Voronin or Tevez was playing. Those two will and have carried the team.
Torres is unreplaceable, if he had been fit all season, we could be 7-10 points clear. Did keane do anything to fill the void? Did he f**k. He cost us points if anything with his pussy footing in front of goal. Destined to be a big fish in a small pond.
No - one questioned his role in the move. I doubt a gun was put to his head to sign. He could have flat out not signed the contract with spurs but he choose. He may never have played again this season but at least he would have showed character and resolve. No another move for a player who has repatedly moved throughout his career.
QuoteBabel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
Good one. It's a league title thats there to be won, not the Carling Cup. Nemeth, Ngog, Kuyt and Babel won't do much.
Quote1704: Breaking news: The Football Association has confirmed that no disciplinary action will be taken against Chelsea defender Jose Bosingwa for his challenge on Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun on Sunday.
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what a joke :D
That's harsh bingobus. I have more respect for a player that moves to play than a lad who is content to pick up a salary and splinters on his arse at the same time. The Keane signing was always odd, because he is best as a link man, and Liverpool have Gerrard that takes that space, even if he is not a similar player.
He was the missing piece of the wrong jigsaw, and I feel sorry for him. (In a football sense, not in a monetary way :D)
(http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/sport/soccer/2008/prem_photogallery/torres_keane_clash_pgb.jpg)
Quote from: bingobus on February 02, 2009, 05:18:59 PM
No - one questioned his role in the move. I doubt a gun was put to his head to sign. He could have flat out not signed the contract with spurs but he choose. He may never have played again this season but at least he would have showed character and resolve. No another move for a player who has repatedly moved throughout his career.
So you think he should have sat on the bench for the rest of the season and just picked up his wage check.... ???
Jesus if he done that everyone would be saying he is only in it for the money,I think he done the right thing its obvious he just wants to play and if he wasn't going to get on the Liverpool team he was right to go back to Spurs..
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 02, 2009, 05:20:09 PM
QuoteBabel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
Good one. It's a league title thats there to be won, not the Carling Cup. Nemeth, Ngog, Kuyt and Babel won't do much.
Ah no you have it wrong nrico, Ngog is the new Henry ::)
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01210/robbie_keane_1210260c.jpg)
'I love dis club. Supported dem as a boy.'
::)
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:20:57 PM
Quote1704: Breaking news: The Football Association has confirmed that no disciplinary action will be taken against Chelsea defender Jose Bosingwa for his challenge on Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun on Sunday.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1zoe1km.jpg)
what a joke :D
That is unbelieveable, even stevie wonder could see that deserved to be punished
What should he have done LL?
Apologies LL
Thought it was you that posted the picture of Keane, but it was Stalin
What should Keane have done Stalin?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: bingobus on February 02, 2009, 05:18:59 PM
No - one questioned his role in the move. I doubt a gun was put to his head to sign. He could have flat out not signed the contract with spurs but he choose. He may never have played again this season but at least he would have showed character and resolve. No another move for a player who has repatedly moved throughout his career.
So you think he should have sat on the bench for the rest of the season and just picked up his wage check.... ???
Jesus if he done that everyone would be saying he is only in it for the money,I think he done the right thing its obvious he just wants to play and if he wasn't going to get on the Liverpool team he was right to go back to Spurs..
I was prob been harsh but he had a choice. I don't think he would been left on the bench, he'd have got chances. It was obvious yesterday that he was been moved on and thats why he wasn't on the bench.
I fail to see the big deal about him going. He didn't fit into the team best formation which anyone could see from recent games. He never lit up the sky and what player could have been signed that would be in a position to replace Torres.
I was more disappointed when Crouch left.
Quote from: bingobus on February 02, 2009, 05:33:45 PM
I was prob been harsh but he had a choice. I don't think he would been left on the bench, he'd have got chances. It was obvious yesterday that he was been moved on and thats why he wasn't on the bench.
I fail to see the big deal about him going. He didn't fit into the team best formation which anyone could see from recent games. He never lit up the sky and what player could have been signed that would be in a position to replace Torres.
I was more disappointed when Crouch left.
Doubt that bingobus
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: bingobus on February 02, 2009, 05:33:45 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: bingobus on February 02, 2009, 05:18:59 PM
No - one questioned his role in the move. I doubt a gun was put to his head to sign. He could have flat out not signed the contract with spurs but he choose. He may never have played again this season but at least he would have showed character and resolve. No another move for a player who has repatedly moved throughout his career.
So you think he should have sat on the bench for the rest of the season and just picked up his wage check.... ???
Jesus if he done that everyone would be saying he is only in it for the money,I think he done the right thing its obvious he just wants to play and if he wasn't going to get on the Liverpool team he was right to go back to Spurs..
I was prob been harsh but he had a choice. I don't think he would been left on the bench, he'd have got chances. It was obvious yesterday that he was been moved on and thats why he wasn't on the bench.
I fail to see the big deal about him going. He didn't fit into the team best formation which anyone could see from recent games. He never lit up the sky and what player could have been signed that would be in a position to replace Torres.
I was more disappointed when Crouch left.
I could get over Keane going if someone had come in to replace him
I could too. Keane was not woeful, he would still have been a useful sub or option against the weaker teams, and if Benitez wasn't so conservative, himself and Torres could have had a partnership. Having said that, if Rafa didn't want him in the team, I could accept him going, but you have to have a replacement. Jaysus even that list above N'gog, raw as hell, Kuyt, welll he's our right winger ::), Gerrard is not going to play up front if Torres gets injured. Nemeth, raw as well.
There's a serious gap there now. Is Voronin coming back from Loan or something? :D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 02, 2009, 05:20:09 PM
QuoteBabel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
Good one. It's a league title thats there to be won, not the Carling Cup. Nemeth, Ngog, Kuyt and Babel won't do much.
Ah no you have it wrong nrico, Ngog is the new Henry ::)
Ok ok, we all know he is shit etc, etc and he is not going to do anything, but can we please reserve judgement until we actually get a look at him before we judge him.
He hasn't even played the lenght of two full games (probably the biggest indicator that he is dung0 but scored one and won a penalty. Lets just see him before giving him so much stick.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 05:36:42 PM
I could get over Keane going if someone had come in to replace him
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My question is who? Talk on TLW that Rafa wanted Heskey but Parry wouldn't spend the money on someone his age and who would be free in the summer. Not a proflific striker but is there one out there available.
I thought maybe Bent on loan from Spurs would have been an option/chance but obviously not.
I don't think Keane would have scored more than Kuyt/Babel/Gerard will.
Quote from: gawa316 on February 02, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:20:57 PM
Quote1704: Breaking news: The Football Association has confirmed that no disciplinary action will be taken against Chelsea defender Jose Bosingwa for his challenge on Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun on Sunday.
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what a joke :D
That is unbelieveable, even stevie wonder could see that deserved to be punished
At the time the linesman was flaging like mad to the ref but he ignored it. Very bad day for the ref and Bosingwa very lucky. The video is funny though :D
I think Babel has been more effective up front in a central position than on wing. Has pace and a fierce shoot, good in air. Agreed he has looked out of sorts recently but the raw material is there.
Ngog ins;t one for now and may never be, needs to strenghten up, and from the few reserve matches he has played recently, he is on the way to doing that. Still has a big step up to make.
Kuyt is a proven goalscorer at international level and club. Has done as much as anyone to put Liverpool in their position in the first half of season. If he goes up front, Babel or El Zhar (again has looked bright when introduced this season) can play wide right.
Besides, Deal not offically confirmed with this weather thing, maybe he'd going nowhere (all hail keano ;) )
Quote from: bingobus on February 02, 2009, 05:53:20 PM
I think Babel has been more effective up front in a central position than on wing. Has pace and a fierce shoot, good in air. Agreed he has looked out of sorts recently but the raw material is there.
Ngog ins;t one for now and may never be, needs to strenghten up, and from the few reserve matches he has played recently, he is on the way to doing that. Still has a big step up to make.
Kuyt is a proven goalscorer at international level and club. Has done as much as anyone to put Liverpool in their position in the first half of season. If he goes up front, Babel or El Zhar (again has looked bright when introduced this season) can play wide right.
Besides, Deal not offically confirmed with this weather thing, maybe he'd going nowhere (all hail keano ;) )
Confirmed officially half an hour ago.
How can he not be charged after the game for that assault?
Quote from: EC Unique on February 02, 2009, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 02, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:20:57 PM
Quote1704: Breaking news: The Football Association has confirmed that no disciplinary action will be taken against Chelsea defender Jose Bosingwa for his challenge on Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun on Sunday.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1zoe1km.jpg)
what a joke :D
That is unbelieveable, even stevie wonder could see that deserved to be punished
At the time the linesman was flaging like mad to the ref but he ignored it. Very bad day for the ref and Bosingwa very lucky. The video is funny though :D
The linesman was flagging for a free out. The ref stated in his report that his assistant seen the incident. Once he has stated this, the FA can't take any further action. Absolutley crazy stuff.
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:08:47 PM
19m including addons
Reina has played up top in the past. Id rather have him there than Robbie.
Babel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
dung dung dung Gerrard dung all alternatives for up top
i find it staggering that this has been allowed to happen, I for one am gutted. Was delighted when he signed, looked forward to seeing him with the liver bird on his chest. And he is gone and look at the muppets who remain wearing the red. Keane was, and still is world class, and for Benetiz to have treated him the way he did, for whatever reasons is mind-blowing. There was defo more to this than those outside the club were lead to believe. Ngog? please
But the bottom line is Benetiz is not fit to manage Liverpool, as was Houllier, Evans and Souness before him. Benetiz is too stubborn and headstrong, lets personal matters cloud his professional judgement. Zonal defence, squad rotation...they dont work, never have done, never will do (esp with the sh!te he has spent a clean fortune on).
i wont darken the doors of anfield again whilst Benetiz is in charge (hopefully that means no more than 2 CL and 3 league matches) not that it means a flying fcuk to anyone but me.
Fustration has turned into mild anger (very mild) at this juncture
BENETIZ OUT!
PQ
Quote from: peterquaife on February 02, 2009, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:08:47 PM
19m including addons
Reina has played up top in the past. Id rather have him there than Robbie.
Babel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
dung dung dung Gerrard dung all alternatives for up top
i find it staggering that this has been allowed to happen, I for one am gutted. Was delighted when he signed, looked forward to seeing him with the liver bird on his chest. And he is gone and look at the muppets who remain wearing the red. Keane was, and still is world class, and for Benetiz to have treated him the way he did, for whatever reasons is mind-blowing. There was defo more to this than those outside the club were lead to believe. Ngog? please
But the bottom line is Benetiz is not fit to manage Liverpool, as was Houllier, Evans and Souness before him. Benetiz is too stubborn and headstrong, lets personal matters cloud his professional judgement. Zonal defence, squad rotation...they dont work, never have done, never will do (esp with the sh!te he has spent a clean fortune on).
i wont darken the doors of anfield again whilst Benetiz is in charge (hopefully that means no more than 2 CL and 3 league matches) not that it means a flying fcuk to anyone but me.
Fustration has turned into mild anger (very mild) at this juncture
BENETIZ OUT!
PQ
Haha you have to be a WUM. :D
Sure get Stephen Kenny in. :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: peterquaife on February 02, 2009, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:08:47 PM
19m including addons
Reina has played up top in the past. Id rather have him there than Robbie.
Babel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
dung dung dung Gerrard dung all alternatives for up top
i find it staggering that this has been allowed to happen, I for one am gutted. Was delighted when he signed, looked forward to seeing him with the liver bird on his chest. And he is gone and look at the muppets who remain wearing the red. Keane was, and still is world class, and for Benetiz to have treated him the way he did, for whatever reasons is mind-blowing. There was defo more to this than those outside the club were lead to believe. Ngog? please
But the bottom line is Benetiz is not fit to manage Liverpool, as was Houllier, Evans and Souness before him. Benetiz is too stubborn and headstrong, lets personal matters cloud his professional judgement. Zonal defence, squad rotation...they dont work, never have done, never will do (esp with the sh!te he has spent a clean fortune on).
i wont darken the doors of anfield again whilst Benetiz is in charge (hopefully that means no more than 2 CL and 3 league matches) not that it means a flying fcuk to anyone but me.
Fustration has turned into mild anger (very mild) at this juncture
BENETIZ OUT!
PQ
Thank f**k, place will be alot better without you. Muppet.
f**k sake just in from work and was expecting a late deal to have materialised saying we had signed a replacement for Keane, but no nothing.
Please Mr Torres look after yourself
I was at Anfield yesterday, great result and very satisfying after controlling the game from start to finish. No doubt that Benayoun offered a different dimension to the play after coming off the bench.
Theres no doubt that 4231 formation suits our players, and also the R Keane simply does not fit into that role.
Very light up front now to the end of the season, i would have loved to have seen Saviola come in on loan but it doesnt look like its to be.
Quote from: bingobus on February 02, 2009, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: peterquaife on February 02, 2009, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Stalin on February 02, 2009, 05:08:47 PM
19m including addons
Reina has played up top in the past. Id rather have him there than Robbie.
Babel Ngog Kuyt Gerrard El Zhar all alternatives for up top, Nemeth back from loan in a couple of weeks too.
dung dung dung Gerrard dung all alternatives for up top
i find it staggering that this has been allowed to happen, I for one am gutted. Was delighted when he signed, looked forward to seeing him with the liver bird on his chest. And he is gone and look at the muppets who remain wearing the red. Keane was, and still is world class, and for Benetiz to have treated him the way he did, for whatever reasons is mind-blowing. There was defo more to this than those outside the club were lead to believe. Ngog? please
But the bottom line is Benetiz is not fit to manage Liverpool, as was Houllier, Evans and Souness before him. Benetiz is too stubborn and headstrong, lets personal matters cloud his professional judgement. Zonal defence, squad rotation...they dont work, never have done, never will do (esp with the sh!te he has spent a clean fortune on).
i wont darken the doors of anfield again whilst Benetiz is in charge (hopefully that means no more than 2 CL and 3 league matches) not that it means a flying fcuk to anyone but me.
Fustration has turned into mild anger (very mild) at this juncture
BENETIZ OUT!
PQ
Thank f**k, place will be alot better without you. Muppet.
and you'd know what the place is like alright, Monaghan man
Vive le Keano
PQ
6 months ago...http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11.5730
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 29, 2008, 10:50:30 AM
That's the question Seanie. It will be interesting to see what he does, but I'd be thinking Kuyt mightn't play as much this year. Keane and Torres up front. Gerrard the head of a 'diamond' with Mascherano anchoring it.
Alonso and maybe Barry the other 2 in the diamond.
O'Neill, you were spot on, while I naively assumed Rafa had a plan for Keane. I was fair wrong about the bit in bold!! The sad thing is that if Rafa had gone with something like I was suggesting, I think LFC would be much more dangerous and with a realistic chance.
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2009, 10:19:18 PM
6 months ago...http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11.5730
That was some prediction, O'Neill. Had you any money on Keane being sold before the end of the season??
I don't think anyone knew what Rafa had in store for Keane back then, maybe even the Spaniard himself. Jaysus I've a bad feeling about Keane this Sunday - a quiz question in years to come- who scored against Arsenal in the league for two different clubs in the space of two months!!!
Did they get Saviola?
Liverpools last league game is at home to Spurs.
Imagine the scene if Liverpool are still in the hunt for the league and Spurs are still in the relegation zone.
Last minute, Keane is one on one with Reina, if he scores Spurs stay up, if he misses he gets a League winners medal..................
Unlikely at the moment but you never know
Quote from: FermGael on February 02, 2009, 10:59:13 PM
Liverpools lastleague game is at home to Spurs.
Imagine the scene if Liverpool are still in the hunt for the league and Spurs are still in relegation.
Last minute, Keane is one on one with Reina, if he scores Spurs stay up, if he misses he gets a League winners medal..................
Unlikely at the moment but you never know
On current form he will kick the ground then wave his finger accusingly at the offending Anfield sod................
Cracking up!
Horrible bit of business! ::)
you not know theres a credit crunch on GDS !? that alone has probably wiped 10 million off his value
Quote from: Abble on February 03, 2009, 08:26:50 AM
you not know theres a credit crunch on GDS !? that alone has probably wiped 10 million off his value
I'm sure the Liverpool fans don't give a fek about the money... it's the fact that they are a player light going into the business end of the season which should be worrying you more!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 03, 2009, 08:32:33 AM
I'm sure the Liverpool fans don't give a fek about the money... it's the fact that they are a player light going into the business end of the season which should be worrying you more!
100% right. If rafa was insisting on leaving a 20m player rot in the stand while having Ngog as his back up striker on the bench, then it was obviously best for all concerned that keane left. And it looks like it was only a 2-3m loss, so could've been worse. However, what is absolutely unacceptable is that no replacement was brought in - that is just criminal. The whole thing is an embarrassment to the club, and everyone concerned - especially rafa & parry - should be ashamed of themselves.
Whats even more frustrating is that this was the first year in a long time, that the title was there to be won for Liverpool. But thanks to Rafa's mind boggling decisions (hopefully he's now learned that you never, ever take off torres, or select lucas ahead of alonso), coupled with the usual off the pitch antics, they've almost handed the title to united.
i'm disappointed to see him go but i'm sure we'll cope
QuoteRAFA BENITEZ wasted a staggering £8million on his Robbie Keane nightmare.
Striker Keane returned to Tottenham last night for a knockdown £12m just six months after Liverpool shelled out £20m for the Irishman.
Keane, 28, will train with his old Spurs pals today after scoring just seven times in 28 Reds games — a cost of £1.1MILLION per goal.
A total of 1,578 minutes on the pitch under manager Benitez since July cost £5,070 a minute.
Spurs boss Harry Redknapp said: "Robbie will make a massive impact.
"He is full of enthusiasm which we need. I am delighted."
Benitez is short of options in attack and his title chances could be blown apart if hitman Fernando Torres gets injured.
Meanwhile, Keane will be thrown straight into a derby against Arsenal.
The fee for him could rise to £15m depending on his success at Spurs.
Keane said: "Some Spurs fans will feel I let them down by leaving but I can assure them I shall give my all."
Redknapp swooped for Keane after £15m star Jermain Defoe picked up a stress fracture in his right foot in training.
Defoe will have surgery today and is expected to be out for the season.
:o :D :D
Them figures are very misleading.
we spent about 18m on him in reality, which I always thought was a bit much.
At the time I said I valued him around 12m, which is what spurs have paid.
Hopefully he does well now so the fee rises to 15m. Losing 3m aint too bad - weve seen much worse drops in player value before!
Quote from: EC Unique on February 03, 2009, 09:56:58 AM
QuoteRAFA BENITEZ wasted a staggering £8million on his Robbie Keane nightmare.
Striker Keane returned to Tottenham last night for a knockdown £12m just six months after Liverpool shelled out £20m for the Irishman.
Keane, 28, will train with his old Spurs pals today after scoring just seven times in 28 Reds games — a cost of £1.1MILLION per goal.
A total of 1,578 minutes on the pitch under manager Benitez since July cost £5,070 a minute.
Spurs boss Harry Redknapp said: "Robbie will make a massive impact.
"He is full of enthusiasm which we need. I am delighted."
Benitez is short of options in attack and his title chances could be blown apart if hitman Fernando Torres gets injured.
Meanwhile, Keane will be thrown straight into a derby against Arsenal.
The fee for him could rise to £15m depending on his success at Spurs.
Keane said: "Some Spurs fans will feel I let them down by leaving but I can assure them I shall give my all."
Redknapp swooped for Keane after £15m star Jermain Defoe picked up a stress fracture in his right foot in training.
Defoe will have surgery today and is expected to be out for the season.
:o :D :D
of course, what that doesnt say is that the 20m included 3m based on Keane's success at Liverpool, so im pretty sure he didnt achieve that. So it's an initial outlay of 17-18m, and then receiving 15m in return (assuming keane once again enjoys some success at spurs), so as I said in my earlier post, it's only a loss of 2-3m.
I doubt if Liverpool lost any money on Robbie other than his wages below is an article on the Defoe transfer which gives you an insight into how these things work...
QuotePaper trail leads back to the Lane
Ciaran Cronin
Jermain Defoe's return to Tottenham Hotspur, where just £3m switched hands, highlights the increasing complexity of modern-day transfers
Willing Defoe: the striker is back with Spurs after a one-year sojourn with Portsmouth
When Jermaine Defoe walked out on the White Hart Lane pitch on Tuesday night and gave a little wave before Tottenham's Carling Cup semi-final against Burnley, the striker not only proved in wearing a Dickensian winter outfit that money cannot buy taste, the story behind his return to north London also established that modern football's transfer market is an increasingly complicated place. An oversimplified picture – put in a bid, get the selling club to accept, agree terms with the player and then get him to pass a routine medical – is often painted as the normal sequence of events in the transfer of a player from one club to another but the details of Defoe's move back to Tottenham reveals a market where motives are less straightforward.
When Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy sat down with Portsmouth chief executive Peter Storrie to work out a deal, the pair had a number of issues to consider on account of the widespread practice of clubs paying for players in instalments. Portsmouth agreed a fee of £9m with Tottenham for Defoe last January, with half the amount being paid up front and half due this month. Therefore, Levy was straight away able to knock £4.5m off his cash outlay and then the pair would have spoken about the money due to Tottenham in the next 12 months from Portsmouth in the form of instalment payments for Younes Kaboul and Pedro Mendes.
That, along with the Defoe money, meant Tottenham were due about £9m from Portsmouth but there was one further complication before a deal could be struck. Tottenham had inserted a sell-on clause in the sale of Defoe's contract which entitled them to a reported 20 per cent of his sell-on value, also deducted from Tottenham's final bill. A fee of around £15m was agreed upon which meant, all told, Levy only paid about £3m for Defoe.
"Instalments are the only way in which most clubs can buy a player over the price of £5m," says one football agent, "and Portsmouth have done this for most of the guys they've got in over the past few years. In this case, I would suggest that the transfer would not have gone ahead had Portsmouth not been due to pay Tottenham so much money in the next few months. If you think about the situation rationally, with Portsmouth short on cash and them owing Tottenham so much, Harry Redknapp really had the pick of Portsmouth's players in this transfer window."
One trend to look out for, then, is that if you sell a player to another club and accept payment in instalments, the chances of you buying one of their players before the second instalment is due are quite high. "The sales of Robbie Keane and Dimitar Berbatov this summer will mean that it is highly likely that Spurs will get who they want, within reason, from Liverpool or United over the next one or two years," says the agent. "The finance men at clubs love writing off money that might be due in the future and in most cases, the buying club are willing to write off more than a player might be worth in order to ensure the deal goes through."
Another point to consider is that by buying players in instalments rather than buying them outright, clubs are really participating in a kind of calculated gambling. Think about it. When Portsmouth bought Defoe, they only handed over £4.5m to Tottenham. By having the player on their books, they gambled that they would earn enough success to pay the other half of the deal the following year. In this case their gamble pays off, Portsmouth enjoyed a degree of success while the player's value increased. However, if Portsmouth had flopped last season and Defoe played poorly, they would have been stuck with a £4.5m bill to Tottenham for a player who might be worth just half that. It's exactly what happened to Leeds.
There are other factors to consider, too, in the world of footballing hire-purchase. Tottenham, who are the best example of a lot of what is going on because of their recent frenetic transfer activity, are believed to have struck deals for Luka Modric and Roman Pavlyuchenko this summer in Euro and agreed to pay in instalments.
Now, with the British pound having fallen in value against the Euro, the club find that the second instalments they pay for the players will be significantly higher than what they would have expected. So where the fees for the Croatian and Russian were agreed at £15.8m and £14m respectively in the summer, the pair will end up costing a couple of million pounds more by the final instalment. Manchester City, on the other hand, won't be caught in such a pickle by the signing of Robinho as the club's Arab owners paid the entire £32.5m up front to Real Madrid.
Sometimes, in this complex world, paying more can actually work out as less.
The fee paid for Keane by Spurs is less than £10 million. Apparently Spus would have to announce any fee's over that margin to the stock exchange!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 03, 2009, 10:10:17 AM
The fee paid for Keane by Spurs is less than £10 million. Apparently Spus would have to announce any fee's over that margin to the stock exchange!
That is worng. It was £12 million initially, that has been reported widely.
Will his loan spell be cut short......
Is he on his way back .....
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;D
i wouldnt joke about it
Outspoken Voronin targets Liverpool return as he's too big for Berlin
By WILLIAM STEWART
Ukranian striker Andriy Voronin has revealed he dreams of returning to Liverpool after being farmed out on loan to German side Hertha Berlin.
The outspoken striker, who earlier this year launched an attack on Britain and Liverpool, claims being a big star in Berlin is not enough and he wants to link up with Steven Gerrard again at Anfield.
He told Pro Sport magazine in Russia: 'It's an absolutely different level of football.
'I'm a leader at Hertha and feel their fans love me but I would like to be a leader in a team which is always fighting to win the Premier League, the Champions League and which have such people playing for them as Steven Gerrard who is a symbol of the city like the Beatles.
'I see no sense in staying in Berlin saying to myself: 'OK, everyone loves me here, why do I need to play for Livepool?'
'I'd really like a new start there. I have a contract with them for two more years. When I joined Liverpool I knew I could play at such a high level and think I proved it. The rotation of the squad by Benitez really enraged me, but he told me from the start about that and I should have been prepared for it.'
Voronin's claims, after several months at Hertha on loan, are in stark contrast to comments he made in April, when he savaged Liverpool and life in Britain.
Back then he condemned the UK as a cultural backwater with poor health care and high crime rate.
Although his 24-year-old wife Yulia was named the worst-dressed soccer WAG after wearing a leopard-print velour tracksuit, he said Britain was far less sophisticated than Germany.
Voronin, who moved to Liverpool from Bayer Leverkusen in Germany at the beginning of the season, said: 'Compared with Germany, England is far behind in terms of comfort and culture.
'Five out of the seven houses near us are occupied by footballers.
'Steve Gerrard was burgled recently so a police patrol car comes into our compound fairly often. We hear police sirens all the time. Leverkusen, by contrast, was so much quieter.'
He continued: 'The medical services here are poor. When I was in Germany, there were lots of good clinics and doctors.
'It is nothing like that here - when our child had a skin allergy we waited hours for the doctor to see him. When we finally got to see a doctor, he said he didn't know how to treat children and told us to try rubbing in this ointment.
'That was it. I was stunned. As a result my wife had to go back to Odessa with him and took a full set of tests there.'
He added: 'English isn't the main problem. The main thing is to learn to understand the local players like Gerrard and Carragher.
'They speak with some peculiar local accent and sometimes I have absolutely no clue what the guys are saying. Many foreign players have the same problem.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1083332/Outspoken-Voronin-targets-Liverpool-return-hes-big-Berlin.html
Quote from: corn02 on February 03, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on February 03, 2009, 10:10:17 AM
The fee paid for Keane by Spurs is less than £10 million. Apparently Spus would have to announce any fee's over that margin to the stock exchange!
That is worng. It was £12 million initially, that has been reported widely.
Why is it wrong? - The press claim that The transfer 6 months ago was £20.3 million - was it not?
Is it inconceivable that part of this tranfsfer is also based on add ons also?
Are you Liverpool fans glad he is gone?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 10:55:07 AM
Are you Liverpool fans glad he is gone?
I would have preffered a replacement in case Torres hamstring goes again. In fairness he was pretty p*sh in his time at Anfield.
To call a spade a spade, he was a failure. Maybe he didn't get the opportunities he would have liked, but he played a lot of game time. Some of his misses were inconceivable they were so bad. People point to him being dropped after scoring a few goals on the trot, but before that he had missed double the amount he had scored. I would have liked to have seen him succeed but for a variety of reasons he didn't, book closed, move on. A replacement should have been bought but wasn't so it is time to make do with what there is there. Can they win the League, doubtful but I don't think that Keane or any replacement would be the difference in winning or losing it.
is it a definate that nobody is coming in?report saying deals could still be done if a player has to come from overseas due to the travel delays due to the weather
As I said yesterday its shocking that Benitez has sold Keane without getting a replacement, does he not want to challenge for the league?
Can't believe I'm even writing this but can vorinin be recalled from his loan? I would have more faith in him than Ngog
Quote from: gawa316 on February 03, 2009, 11:25:50 AM
Can't believe I'm even writing this but can vorinin be recalled from his loan? I would have more faith in him than Ngog
There isn't any question but he's a better player than Ngog, although he's not an out and out striker.
Many loan deals have clauses wherby the player can be recalled, but whether they bothered putting one into Voronin's contract is anyone's guess. Anyway my hunch is Rafa wouldnt want him, even if Torres did pick up an injury.
Lads, pray that Torres stays fit, he should be fresh if he doesn't get injured as he has played feck all. Gerard has a drive which you rarely see in soccer players.
Let's look to the future, do we want a win against the Bitters or would going out of the up free up time for a serious challenge in the run in for the Premier?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 03, 2009, 11:51:16 AM
Lads, pray that Torres stays fit, he should be fresh if he doesn't get injured as he has played feck all. Gerard has a drive which you rarely see in soccer players.
Let's look to the future, do we want a win against the Bitters or would going out of the up free up time for a serious challenge in the run in for the Premier?
I dont give a toss about tomorrow, a defeat would do grand.
I have to say Liverpool & Rafa's treatment of Keane has been nothing short of appalling (I support united) & I have to say I prefer th be going at it hammer & tongs with the pool than any of the other rivals.
Personally I admire Gerard, Torres... wonderful players, but Benitez is proving to be a nasty control freak. He has destroyed several strikers since he has been at the club... owen, crouch, Bellamy... I think liverpools season will go belly up, he has 1 decent striker at the club, whose hamstring has been dodgy all season... he has left liverpool wide open with his childish power struggles... I would leave him in charge of the youth team transers never mind the senior team.. Dossena anyone!
Up to 6/8 weeks ago Berbatov and Keane had similar strike rates success at their clubs. But Fergie persisted with Berb even when he was playing shite and t has started to pay off big time but even when Keane played well he was immediately dropped. How many times do you hear of player needing time to settle into a new club?
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 03, 2009, 01:27:02 PM
I have to say Liverpool & Rafa's treatment of Keane has been nothing short of appalling (I support united) & I have to say I prefer th be going at it hammer & tongs with the pool than any of the other rivals.
Personally I admire Gerard, Torres... wonderful players, but Benitez is proving to be a nasty control freak. He has destroyed several strikers since he has been at the club... owen, crouch, Bellamy... I think liverpools season will go belly up, he has 1 decent striker at the club, whose hamstring has been dodgy all season... he has left liverpool wide open with his childish power struggles... I would leave him in charge of the youth team transers never mind the senior team.. Dossena anyone!
who do you support again?pot kettle and all that
no handbags please, this is an important day for the country - 4pm (Feel your pockets get lighter)
QuoteLads, pray that Torres stays fit, he should be fresh if he doesn't get injured as he has played feck all. Gerard has a drive dive which you rarely see in soccer players.
I corrected your typo for you there BCB1.
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 03, 2009, 01:27:02 PM
I have to say Liverpool & Rafa's treatment of Keane has been nothing short of appalling (I support united) & I have to say I prefer th be going at it hammer & tongs with the pool than any of the other rivals.
Personally I admire Gerard, Torres... wonderful players, but Benitez is proving to be a nasty control freak. He has destroyed several strikers since he has been at the club... owen, crouch, Bellamy... I think liverpools season will go belly up, he has 1 decent striker at the club, whose hamstring has been dodgy all season... he has left liverpool wide open with his childish power struggles... I would leave him in charge of the youth team transers never mind the senior team.. Dossena anyone!
Owen engineered himself a move to madrid less than a month after Benitez joined the club, He bought Crouch from a championship club and turned him into a regular England international. Bellamy was playing in a mid table Blackburn team, Benitez gave him a chance to play for a top 4 club and champions league football, not exactly career destroying activities if you ask me! As for transfers, every manager makes bad singings, Djemba Djemba anyone?
Quote from: isourboydownyet on February 03, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on February 03, 2009, 01:27:02 PM
I have to say Liverpool & Rafa's treatment of Keane has been nothing short of appalling (I support united) & I have to say I prefer th be going at it hammer & tongs with the pool than any of the other rivals.
Personally I admire Gerard, Torres... wonderful players, but Benitez is proving to be a nasty control freak. He has destroyed several strikers since he has been at the club... owen, crouch, Bellamy... I think liverpools season will go belly up, he has 1 decent striker at the club, whose hamstring has been dodgy all season... he has left liverpool wide open with his childish power struggles... I would leave him in charge of the youth team transers never mind the senior team.. Dossena anyone!
who do you support again?pot kettle and all that
comparing Benetiz to Ferguson is like comparing Crozier to Harte...huge difference in class
PQ
QuoteAs for transfers, every manager makes bad singings, Djemba Djemba anyone?
I know the player but can't think of the song........
Quote from: StGallsGAA on February 03, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
QuoteAs for transfers, every manager makes bad singings, Djemba Djemba anyone?
I know the player but can't think of the song........
:D :D
QuoteRAFA Benitez today admitted selling Robbie Keane is a risk – but insisted it is one he had to take.
Keane returned to Spurs yesterday in a deal worth an initial £16m to Liverpool, meaning the Reds are down £3m on the £19m they paid the London club for his services just six months ago.
When asked if Liverpool had received the £16M offer in writing, Benitez said "Ees a fax"!
QuoteFRANK LAMPARD has seen his the red card in the 2-0 defeat to Liverpool scrubbed out.
The Chelsea midfielder was was sent off by referee Mike Riley after a challenge on Xabi Alonso was deemed dangerous.
But an independent comission has overturned the decision, resulting in the withdrawal of his three-match suspension.
Had the claim failed, Lampard would have missed Premier League matches against Hull and Aston Villa and an FA Cup fifth-round tie at Watford.
Quote from: EC Unique on February 03, 2009, 03:23:12 PM
QuoteFRANK LAMPARD has seen his the red card in the 2-0 defeat to Liverpool scrubbed out.
The Chelsea midfielder was was sent off by referee Mike Riley after a challenge on Xabi Alonso was deemed dangerous.
But an independent comission has overturned the decision, resulting in the withdrawal of his three-match suspension.
Had the claim failed, Lampard would have missed Premier League matches against Hull and Aston Villa and an FA Cup fifth-round tie at Watford.
Rightly so. Still amazed Jackie Chang in the corner got off. ???
Quote from: Over the Bar on February 03, 2009, 03:19:47 PMWhen asked if Liverpool had received the £16M offer in writing, Benitez said "Ees a fax"!
You're like a broken record
QuoteLads, pray that Torres stays fit, he should be fresh if he doesn't get injured as he has played feck all. Gerard has a drive which you rarely see in soccer players
Yep, and I believe Marcus McGee felt the full force of it.
QuoteOwen engineered himself a move to madrid less than a month after Benitez joined the club, He bought Crouch from a championship club and turned him into a regular England international. Bellamy was playing in a mid table Blackburn team, Benitez gave him a chance to play for a top 4 club and champions league football, not exactly career destroying activities if you ask me! As for transfers, every manager makes bad singings, Djemba Djemba anyone?
Benitez's list of bad signings seems to be very high for his relative short time in England. As for Crouch, his form at Southampton earned him his England call-up before and this was before he moved to Liverpool. But look at the man now!
Just back from Anfield.... only 30 hours late. Fecking Ryanair cancelled the flight. Feckers.
Just skimmed through the posts there, and some truths with the usual rubbish. Sitting behind the goal at the away end you don't get a decent perspective of the game, but I honestly thought neither team deserved to win it. I thought until the sending off Chelsea were fairly comfortable with what Liverpool had. Chelsea's starting XI was disapointing. I thought it would've laid down a really positive marker if we had of started with Drogba and Anelka in a game where a point was somehwhat pointless.
The game itself is analysed to death here by some, but Chelsea offered zero threat, and the performance was similar to the lack of ballz shown at OT a few weeks back. Again, Mikel, Terry, Lamps, Cole, and Alex the only ones to show any fight. Ballack was a passanger, and as for the chuckle brothers on the wing... geez. Therein lies Chelsea's problem. Width, or lack of. It allowed Liverpool to strangle Lampard and Chelsea's only path to a goal.
The only moment of class on the day was Torres' header.
The ref was shocking. Gerard's challange on Kalou was a clear second yellow, if not a straight red. I also think Alonso made the most of the Lampard incident and played his part in it.
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Someone earlier said.
QuoteLampard should have been sent off a couple of seasons ago when he broke Alonso's ankle with a tackle and wasn't. Karma is a cruel mistress indeed.
That's wrong. The ankle breaker was a slightly mistimed tackle with zero intent. It happens. It was not a red card offence. Of course the ref that day was Riley, and perhaps he saw a chance to redeem himself!! Lampard apologiesd for the tackle at the time, but Alonso turned away the olive branch. He has held a major grudge since.
Finally anyone at the game think Anfield was really quiet.
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 03, 2009, 04:38:44 PM
QuoteLads, pray that Torres stays fit, he should be fresh if he doesn't get injured as he has played feck all. Gerard has a drive which you rarely see in soccer players
Yep, and I believe Marcus McGee felt the full force of it.
QuoteOwen engineered himself a move to madrid less than a month after Benitez joined the club, He bought Crouch from a championship club and turned him into a regular England international. Bellamy was playing in a mid table Blackburn team, Benitez gave him a chance to play for a top 4 club and champions league football, not exactly career destroying activities if you ask me! As for transfers, every manager makes bad singings, Djemba Djemba anyone?
Benitez's list of bad signings seems to be very high for his relative short time in England. As for Crouch, his form at Southampton earned him his England call-up before and this was before he moved to Liverpool. But look at the man now!
I think Crouch made one appearance for England before joining Liverpool but his international career only took off once at Liverpool. He was pretty much a regular after that. In fact he was pretty much a joke figure until he joined Liverpool but after a slow start he did fairly well after that and was sold for a decent profit.
Benitez has made a few signings that haven't worked out like most other managers but he's often made a profit selling them on.
gerard didn't even get a card, and lampard gets send off after getting fouled be alonso. Mike Riley should quit
United would miss Riley terribly if he retired.
Quote from: Minder on February 03, 2009, 04:57:20 PM
United would miss Riley terribly if he retired.
Why? If he had done his job correctly on Sunday Utd would be 4 points ahead instead of 2. (with a game at hand)
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
gerard didn't even get a card, and lampard gets send off after getting fouled be alonso. Mike Riley should quit
Gerrard was booked. Granted he was lucky not to pick up another yellow. Also Alonso didn't foul Lampard. Alonso went to kick the ball and Lampard tipped it away first but Lampard at the same time had his studs up in air hence Alonso kicked against his studs which as anyone who has played the game will tell you is bloody painful.
As for Fat Frank his red card was only three and a half years too late. He can be thankful he managed to pick up no suspension this time as he should have for his ankle-breaker a few years ago. I have zero sympathy for him.
The red card on Sunday still didn't compensate for the penalty Chelsea got last year at anfield.
Quote from: bingobus on February 03, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
The red card on Sunday still didn't compensate for the penalty Chelsea got last year at anfield.
Then what about the goal that shouldn't have been.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: bingobus on February 03, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
The red card on Sunday still didn't compensate for the penalty Chelsea got last year at anfield.
Then what about the goal that shouldn't have been.
Well we'll take the Cech red card and the penalty then. It would have probably made that night less stressful.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 03, 2009, 05:15:33 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: bingobus on February 03, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
The red card on Sunday still didn't compensate for the penalty Chelsea got last year at anfield.
Then what about the goal that shouldn't have been.
Well we'll take the Cech red card and the penalty then. It would have probably made that night less stressful.
;D ;D
Quote from: isourboydownyet on February 03, 2009, 10:50:24 AM
Outspoken Voronin targets Liverpool return as he's too big for Berlin
By WILLIAM STEWART
Ukranian striker Andriy Voronin has revealed he dreams of returning to Liverpool after being farmed out on loan to German side Hertha Berlin.
The outspoken striker, who earlier this year launched an attack on Britain and Liverpool, claims being a big star in Berlin is not enough and he wants to link up with Steven Gerrard again at Anfield.
He told Pro Sport magazine in Russia: 'It's an absolutely different level of football.
'I'm a leader at Hertha and feel their fans love me but I would like to be a leader in a team which is always fighting to win the Premier League, the Champions League and which have such people playing for them as Steven Gerrard who is a symbol of the city like the Beatles.
'I see no sense in staying in Berlin saying to myself: 'OK, everyone loves me here, why do I need to play for Livepool?'
'I'd really like a new start there. I have a contract with them for two more years. When I joined Liverpool I knew I could play at such a high level and think I proved it. The rotation of the squad by Benitez really enraged me, but he told me from the start about that and I should have been prepared for it.'
Voronin's claims, after several months at Hertha on loan, are in stark contrast to comments he made in April, when he savaged Liverpool and life in Britain.
Back then he condemned the UK as a cultural backwater with poor health care and high crime rate.
Although his 24-year-old wife Yulia was named the worst-dressed soccer WAG after wearing a leopard-print velour tracksuit, he said Britain was far less sophisticated than Germany.
Voronin, who moved to Liverpool from Bayer Leverkusen in Germany at the beginning of the season, said: 'Compared with Germany, England is far behind in terms of comfort and culture.
'Five out of the seven houses near us are occupied by footballers.
'Steve Gerrard was burgled recently so a police patrol car comes into our compound fairly often. We hear police sirens all the time. Leverkusen, by contrast, was so much quieter.'
He continued: 'The medical services here are poor. When I was in Germany, there were lots of good clinics and doctors.
'It is nothing like that here - when our child had a skin allergy we waited hours for the doctor to see him. When we finally got to see a doctor, he said he didn't know how to treat children and told us to try rubbing in this ointment.
'That was it. I was stunned. As a result my wife had to go back to Odessa with him and took a full set of tests there.'
He added: 'English isn't the main problem. The main thing is to learn to understand the local players like Gerrard and Carragher.
'They speak with some peculiar local accent and sometimes I have absolutely no clue what the guys are saying. Many foreign players have the same problem.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1083332/Outspoken-Voronin-targets-Liverpool-return-hes-big-Berlin.html
is he serious?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 03, 2009, 05:03:24 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
gerard didn't even get a card, and lampard gets send off after getting fouled be alonso. Mike Riley should quit
Gerrard was booked. Granted he was lucky not to pick up another yellow. Also Alonso didn't foul Lampard. Alonso went to kick the ball and Lampard tipped it away first but Lampard at the same time had his studs up in air hence Alonso kicked against his studs which as anyone who has played the game will tell you is bloody painful.
As for Fat Frank his red card was only three and a half years too late. He can be thankful he managed to pick up no suspension this time as he should have for his ankle-breaker a few years ago. I have zero sympathy for him.
As stated..... the tackle a few years back was not a red card. Nowhere near it. It was a slighly late tackle that had worse than usual consequences a few years back.
Quote"We still have Babel, Ngog and Kuyt as well as Torres.
Much as I hate to say it...break out the bubbly Alex
I know nobody will slag off Torres.
But does anyone else think he deserves a slap for that cross-leg celebration. Looked like a cub scout at a camp fire.
Quote from: corn02 on February 03, 2009, 10:37:23 PM
I know nobody will slag off Torres.
But does anyone else think he deserves a salp for that cross-leg celebration. Looked like a cubcoust at a camp fire.
Full on a Tuesday night?
Whats wrong with it
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Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
gerard didn't even get a card, and lampard gets send off after getting fouled be alonso. Mike Riley should quit
Yes, because the referee gets the benefit of slow motion replays in making a decision... ::)
In real time, it looked a bad tackle by Lampard, especially as he dived in with his foot up and Alonso went flying afterwards. The referee gets only one look. People either have to accept that these type of wrong decisions are inevitable or change the game to allow the ref to stop things and get some help from replays.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 03, 2009, 04:43:42 PM
The ref was shocking. Gerard's challange on Kalou was a clear second yellow, if not a straight red.
Gerrard didn't get the yellow for diving until after the tackle
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 03, 2009, 04:43:42 PM
The ankle breaker was a slightly mistimed tackle with zero intent. It happens. It was not a red card offence. Of course the ref that day was Riley, and perhaps he saw a chance to redeem himself!! Lampard apologiesd for the tackle at the time, but Alonso turned away the olive branch. He has held a major grudge since
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Quote from: DoYerJob Linesman on February 03, 2009, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 03, 2009, 10:37:23 PM
I know nobody will slag off Torres.
But does anyone else think he deserves a salp for that cross-leg celebration. Looked like a cubcoust at a camp fire.
Full on a Tuesday night?
Typing too fast.
From the geniuses on F365... :D
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Quote from: corn02 on February 03, 2009, 10:37:23 PM
But does anyone else think he deserves a slap for that cross-leg celebration. Looked like a cub scout at a camp fire.
not at all corn02, best celebration i'd seen in a while - and lets face it we were due it :)
as lampard has now been let off can some sort of action now not be taken against boswinga for that blatant boot in the back on bennayoun, was there for all to see except the ref and the linesman who was only yards away from it ? video evidence and all that. or should bennayoun just wait for another day ?! (a la roy on alfe inga!)
Quote from: Abble on February 04, 2009, 07:56:34 AM
as lampard has now been let off can some sort of action now not be taken against boswinga for that blatant boot in the back on bennayoun, was there for all to see except the ref and the linesman who was only yards away from it ? video evidence and all that. or should bennayoun just wait for another day ?! (a la roy on alfe inga!)
The FA have said no action will be taken against Bosingwa
The referee didnt see the incident but the linesman has admitted he did see it & didnt take action
How the fcuk he didnt see fit to alert the referee is beyond me
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2009, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
gerard didn't even get a card, and lampard gets send off after getting fouled be alonso. Mike Riley should quit
Yes, because the referee gets the benefit of slow motion replays in making a decision... ::)
In real time, it looked a bad tackle by Lampard, especially as he dived in with his foot up and Alonso went flying afterwards. The referee gets only one look. People either have to accept that these type of wrong decisions are inevitable or change the game to allow the ref to stop things and get some help from replays.
I know what you're saying J70, but at the time I thought Lampard made a well executed tackle, so expect the ref to see the same or similar. The big problem for me is inconsistancy, and without wanting to appear persecuted Chelsea have been on the wrong end of these 'tackle' decisions a lot recently. That's Lampard's 3rd red card in 10 months, and twice he has won on appeal. The other occassion was a CL tie where he recieved two unjust/ harsh yellows therefore could not appeal. Terry has already been red carded twice this season. Again, an appeal has seen one quashed, and the other was 50/50 for a hard tackle.
However I have seen numerous 'harder' tackles by Manc, Scouse players et others since with no punishment. Gerard's the latest on Sunday.
In addition it took Riley 2 seconds to produce the red card on Sunday. He almost had his mind made up as the tackle went in. Is there any harm, stopping for a second, asking the linos for a perspective, and then making a decision. It also takes the heat out of the moment.
Lastly. Respect. People say that the catalyst for this campaign was Chelsea's 'attitude' and I can lead a bit to this argument. In fairness, Chelsea's behaviour to refs has improved this season, but they are now getting a rougher end of the stick. Coincidence? One of the elemants of respect was that the captain is allowed to talk to a ref, and get an explanation. Terry went to the ref post Lampard's red and.... was booked.
Riley gave a free against Gerrard, who clearly told him to 'f**k off' and was he booked..... no.
However the main problem with this Riley caper, is that it gives Uncle Phil and the players an excuse for what was a poor performance regardless.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:00:20 AM
However I have seen numerous 'harder' tackles by Manc, Scouse players et others since with no punishment.
Did you not see any by chelsea players in that time that merited red?
terrys got away with a few decisions, as has Mikel.
QuoteDid you not see any by chelsea players in that time that merited red?
terrys got away with a few decisions, as has Mikel.
Terry gets away with numerous yellows, reds & penaltys that should be awarded against him cos he's England Captain. Of course any red cards that a silly refs do give him get rescinded by the FA, just like when Alan Shearer got his rescinded for deliberately booting Neil Lennon in the face. You DO NOT send of the England captain.
Gerrard on the other hand is exempt from red cards. He can launch himself studs first into a tackle, attempt to break ankles, blatantly dive etc but will not be shown red.
Quote from: under the bar on February 04, 2009, 09:14:51 AM
QuoteDid you not see any by chelsea players in that time that merited red?
terrys got away with a few decisions, as has Mikel.
Terry gets away with numerous yellows, reds & penaltys that should be awarded against him cos he's England Captain. Of course any red cards that a silly refs do give him get rescinded by the FA, just like when Alan Shearer got his rescinded for deliberately booting Neil Lennon in the face. You DO NOT send of the England captain.
Gerrard on the other hand is exempt from red cards. He can launch himself studs first into a tackle, attempt to break ankles, blatantly dive etc but will not be shown red.
If you are going to clean up the game be sure to give it an even hand and mention Master Rooney.
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:00:20 AM
However I have seen numerous 'harder' tackles by Manc, Scouse players et others since with no punishment.
Did you not see any by chelsea players in that time that merited red?
terrys got away with a few decisions, as has Mikel.
Again... you have not come out and said that Gerard was lucky. Instead the line that Terry and Mikel have got away with a few. Have they? Mikel has been told to avoid diving in this year, as he was getting booked/ red carded every second challenge last season, so he has actually been fairly well behaved recently. You need to reread that post of mine. I already said Terry got booked on Sunday, and red carded a few weeks back. So no. They don't get away with it.
QuoteGerrard on the other hand is exempt from red cards. He can launch himself studs first into a tackle, attempt to break ankles, blatantly dive etc but will not be shown red.
That could've read Rooney on the other hand is exempt from red cards. He can launch himself studs first into a tackle, attempt to break ankles, blatantly dive etc but will not be shown red.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:20:32 AM
Again... you have not come out and said that Gerard was lucky. Instead the line that Terry and Mikel have got away with a few. Have they? Mikel has been told to avoid diving in this year, as he was getting booked/ red carded every second challenge last season, so he has actually been fairly well behaved recently. You need to reread that post of mine. I already said Terry got booked on Sunday, and red carded a few weeks back. So no. They don't get away with it.
Gerrard was lucky.
Terry was lucky not to give away a penalty.
Bosingwa got away with one of the most outrages fouls seen in some time. If he was a scouse hed have been off :P
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:20:32 AM
Again... you have not come out and said that Gerard was lucky. Instead the line that Terry and Mikel have got away with a few. Have they? Mikel has been told to avoid diving in this year, as he was getting booked/ red carded every second challenge last season, so he has actually been fairly well behaved recently. You need to reread that post of mine. I already said Terry got booked on Sunday, and red carded a few weeks back. So no. They don't get away with it.
Gerrard was lucky.
Terry was lucky not to give away a penalty.
Bosingwa got away with one of the most outrages fouls seen in some time. If he was a scouse hed have been off :P
Come on.... That was a clear case of obstruction by Benayoun.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:28:01 AM
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:20:32 AM
Again... you have not come out and said that Gerard was lucky. Instead the line that Terry and Mikel have got away with a few. Have they? Mikel has been told to avoid diving in this year, as he was getting booked/ red carded every second challenge last season, so he has actually been fairly well behaved recently. You need to reread that post of mine. I already said Terry got booked on Sunday, and red carded a few weeks back. So no. They don't get away with it.
Gerrard was lucky.
Terry was lucky not to give away a penalty.
Bosingwa got away with one of the most outrages fouls seen in some time. If he was a scouse hed have been off :P
Come on.... That was a clear case of obstruction by Benayoun.
I am joking by the way. Of course he should've been roaded, but at that stage I think Riley was gamely trying to level up the f**k ups. It would've been irrelevant anyhow reding him at that point.
you all just can't take that united are top now. So think of another way to get at united. Gerrard gets away with far more tackles than any other premiership player.
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:26:59 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:20:32 AM
Again... you have not come out and said that Gerard was lucky. Instead the line that Terry and Mikel have got away with a few. Have they? Mikel has been told to avoid diving in this year, as he was getting booked/ red carded every second challenge last season, so he has actually been fairly well behaved recently. You need to reread that post of mine. I already said Terry got booked on Sunday, and red carded a few weeks back. So no. They don't get away with it.
Gerrard was lucky.
Terry was lucky not to give away a penalty.
Bosingwa got away with one of the most outrages fouls seen in some time. If he was a scouse hed have been off :P
Not a chance, the game was at anfield
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:29:17 AM
It would've been irrelevant anyhow reding him at that point.
A 3 match ban for violent conduct would not be irrelevant.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
you all just can't take that united are top now. So think of another way to get at united. Gerrard gets away with far more tackles than any other premiership player.
I dont think i have heard an "argument" like that since about P6............
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
Gerrard gets away with far more tackles than any other premiership player.
are tackles illegal now?
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:29:17 AM
It would've been irrelevant anyhow reding him at that point.
A 3 match ban for violent conduct would not be irrelevant.
In the context of the game it was irrelevant. A 3 game ban would've done little harm too. He has been heartless for weeks, however in his defence he probably needs a winger to help him.
Quoteyou all just can't take that united are top now. So think of another way to get at united. Gerrard gets away with far more tackles than any other premiership player.
The snow must be really bad up there if the schools are closed.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
Gerrard gets away with far more tackles than any other premiership player.
are tackles illegal now?
i meant fouls
Can't believe I am even bothering to ask, but have you some stats to back this up?
Norf did you really think Chelsea were comfortable before the red card? I honestly thought Liverool were playing some good stuff and were cutting through the middle with too much ease.
no snow, teacher training today :D
keane was liverpools 3rd top scorer this season :o
If torres and gerrard got injured it would be interesting to see what yous win this season.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
keane was liverpools 3rd top scorer this season :o
If torres and gerrard got injured it would be interesting to see what yous win this season.
What would United have won last season without Ronaldo?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
keane was liverpools 3rd top scorer this season :o
If torres and gerrard got injured it would be interesting to see what yous win this season.
Could you not say that about any of the top teams if the two best players are injured?
Quote from: Hound on February 04, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
keane was liverpools 3rd top scorer this season :o
If torres and gerrard got injured it would be interesting to see what yous win this season.
What would United have won last season without Ronaldo?
If he had of got injured in february then probably still the premiership
So a striker who played the majority of games was our third top scorer behind a striker who has started only 11 games and Gerrard, an attacking midfielder. Also equal with Kuyt -who apparently can't kick snow off a rope - hardly groundbreaking news it. N'Gog has a better goal to game ratio than him. How many does Ypsso have this season, is it two? I remember Blackburn and Wigan, did he score anywhere else?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 04, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
keane was liverpools 3rd top scorer this season :o
If torres and gerrard got injured it would be interesting to see what yous win this season.
What would United have won last season without Ronaldo?
If he had of got injured in february then probably still the premiership
That's very debatable given the fact Chelsea were hot on the heels of yous. That is like syaing if Torres had not of been injured we would be 20 points clear. I.E impossible to tell. The fact is every team gets hurt y injuries to big players.
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2009, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
keane was liverpools 3rd top scorer this season :o
If torres and gerrard got injured it would be interesting to see what yous win this season.
Could you not say that about any of the top teams if the two best players are injured?
yeah chelsea, liverpool and arsenal ;D
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 04, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
keane was liverpools 3rd top scorer this season :o
If torres and gerrard got injured it would be interesting to see what yous win this season.
What would United have won last season without Ronaldo?
If he had of got injured in february then probably still the premiership
Yeah, lets pretend.
If Chelsea had a fit Essien playing in midfield all this season they'd be 8 or 10 points clear at the top.
But, like your initial post on the matter, its all irrelevant.
Quote from: corn02 on February 04, 2009, 10:10:25 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
Gerrard gets away with far more tackles than any other premiership player.
are tackles illegal now?
i meant fouls
Can't believe I am even bothering to ask, but have you some stats to back this up?
Norf did you really think Chelsea were comfortable before the red card? I honestly thought Liverool were playing some good stuff and were cutting through the middle with too much ease.
As stated, I was in the away end so the perspective was poor but I did think that.
I watched MOTD2 last night, and if I am being honest I'd waiver slighltly on my original thinking. Cech had more to do than I origianlly thought, however I never got the feeling we were being battered.
However as I already stated a draw, a defeat both were practically worthless to either side.
Anyhow. Never mind all this premiership rubbish. What about The Big One.
Live on Liverpool TV on Thursday night.
Liverpool U18s v Chelsea U18s.
One Gael Kakuta, there is only one Gael Kakuta.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 10:32:45 AM
One Gael Kakuta, there is only one Gael Kakuta.
With a name like that I'm sure your correct :D
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 10:32:45 AM
Anyhow. Never mind all this premiership rubbish. What about The Big One.
Live on Liverpool TV on Thursday night.
Liverpool U18s v Chelsea U18s.
One Gael Kakuta, there is only one Gael Kakuta.
A true Gael, what part of Kerry is he from??? ;D
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 10:32:45 AM
Anyhow. Never mind all this premiership rubbish. What about The Big One.
Live on Liverpool TV on Thursday night.
Liverpool U18s v Chelsea U18s.
One Gael Kakuta, there is only one Gael Kakuta.
There's also only one Lauri Dalla Valle! Watch out for him
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 10:30:27 AM
Quote from: corn02 on February 04, 2009, 10:10:25 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: nifan on February 04, 2009, 09:52:11 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 04, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
Gerrard gets away with far more tackles than any other premiership player.
are tackles illegal now?
i meant fouls
Can't believe I am even bothering to ask, but have you some stats to back this up?
Norf did you really think Chelsea were comfortable before the red card? I honestly thought Liverool were playing some good stuff and were cutting through the middle with too much ease.
As stated, I was in the away end so the perspective was poor but I did think that.
I watched MOTD2 last night, and if I am being honest I'd waiver slighltly on my original thinking. Cech had more to do than I origianlly thought, however I never got the feeling we were being battered.
However as I already stated a draw, a defeat both were practically worthless to either side.
Yeah battered would be a gross exxageration. Essien is suh a loss.
Lets move on lads....
What about tonights game
I think a win is a very important,I know it may be "only" the FA Cup but I think we need to win to keep the momentum going,it would be a huge boost to beat the bluenoses in their own backyard..
I suspect he will make a few changes from the Cheslea game,though I couldn't even attempt to second guess Benitez..
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kuyt dropped with Benayoun in and maybe Alonso out with Lucas in..
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 04, 2009, 11:51:48 AM
Lets move on lads....
What about tonights game
I think a win is a very important,I know it may be "only" the FA Cup but I think we need to win to keep the momentum going,it would be a huge boost to beat the bluenoses in their own backyard..
I suspect he will make a few changes from the Cheslea game,though I couldn't even attempt to second guess Benitez..
Wouldn't be surprised to see Kuyt dropped with Benayoun in and maybe Alonso out with Lucas in..
Is Alonso defo out? Did he pick up suspension from weekend. Either way I'd be surprised if he started.
In two minds if Torres should/will play. Risk of injury but if he injured tonight he could as easily be injured any other game. Play him and get his game time and work on his sharpness or let him rest after a run of games back from injury. Undecided but I'd to build on Sunday and get the win.
Can see Babel starting and hope that El Zhar is on bench and he can get a run at some stage. Was impressed with him when he was getting on in first half of season.
Where has El Zhar gone?
Sort of game Kuyt would suit so I would start him with Yossi in for Reira.
Team I would like to see:
Reina
Arbelo, Carragher, Hyypia, Aurelio
Kuyt Lucas Macherano Yossi
Gerrard
Torres
Fowler strikes deal to play for new Australian club next season• Former England forward joins North Queensland Fury
• Striker and club to make A-League debut in 2009-10
Former Liverpool striker Robbie Fowler has agreed a two-year deal with North Queensland Fury to become the first major signing for the new Australian club. Fowler visited Australia last month to discuss the move and confirmed he will join the Townsville-based club for its debut A-League season in 2009-10.
"I had nothing but good things to tell my family about the football side of things and the lifestyle opportunities North Queensland can offer us," said Fowler. "It's a huge decision for my family, but it's also an opportunity to continue my football career in a truly wonderful part of the world."
The 33-year-old Fowler, who was released by Blackburn Rovers in December, scored 120 Premier League goals during stints at Leeds United, Manchester City and two spells at Liverpool. He played 26 times for England.
"We want to win games, that's what we're about," said the Fury chairman, Don Matheson. "Robbie is a legitimate international superstar of the game and there's no doubt he will give us every chance of winning. It's taken a lot of work to make this happen, but it was worth it because I really believe having him playing for North Queensland Fury will change the way people think about the A-League."
Fowler almost joined Sydney FC in 2007 after former Manchester United striker Dwight Yorke moved there in the league's first season, but the deal fell through. "Robbie is more than just a goal scorer, although he certainly knows where the net is, he links up play and he knows how to position himself to get other players involved," added the Fury coach, Ian Ferguson.
I can't see any player overtaking the mantle as my favourite player of all time apart from Fowler.
Hope it works out for him, I think he maybe should call it a day, but who knows, he could prosper there.
Had the luck to be at his return to Liverpool, one of my favourite sporting moments.
26 caps? f**k off you gobshites, the man was unreal.
Quote from: corn02 on February 04, 2009, 01:15:22 PM
I can't see any player overtaking the mantle as my favourite player of all time apart from Fowler.
Hope it works out for him, I think he maybe should call it a day, but who knows, he could prosper there.
Had the luck to be at his return to Liverpool, one of my favourite sporting moments.
26 caps? f**k off you gobshites, the man was unreal.
He is second only to John Aldridge in my mind...
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 04, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 04, 2009, 01:15:22 PM
I can't see any player overtaking the mantle as my favourite player of all time apart from Fowler.
Hope it works out for him, I think he maybe should call it a day, but who knows, he could prosper there.
Had the luck to be at his return to Liverpool, one of my favourite sporting moments.
26 caps? f**k off you gobshites, the man was unreal.
He is second only to John Aldridge in my mind...
Good call, but I only caught the tail-end of Aldridge.
Fowler for me with Rush not far off.
I have 3 copies of Fowlers autobiography if anyone wants one. They were bought for me at various stages, twice by my Ma ???
Aldridge was not there long enough to be considered in Fowlers class, and that penalty miss against Wimbledon in '88 took me a long time to get over as a 10 year old :'( (It should have been retaken as that string of piss Beasant was nearly on top of him when he took it)
Rushie is top for me
Titi For me........... :)
QuoteAnyhow. Never mind all this premiership rubbish. What about The Big One.
Live on Liverpool TV on Thursday night.
Liverpool U18s v Chelsea U18s.
Liverpool & Chelsea fans might as well look out the window for all the chance there is of any U18 players making it to the 1st team squad.......
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 03, 2009, 04:38:44 PM
QuoteLads, pray that Torres stays fit, he should be fresh if he doesn't get injured as he has played feck all. Gerard has a drive which you rarely see in soccer players
Yep, and I believe Marcus McGee felt the full force of it.
QuoteOwen engineered himself a move to madrid less than a month after Benitez joined the club, He bought Crouch from a championship club and turned him into a regular England international. Bellamy was playing in a mid table Blackburn team, Benitez gave him a chance to play for a top 4 club and champions league football, not exactly career destroying activities if you ask me! As for transfers, every manager makes bad singings, Djemba Djemba anyone?
Benitez's list of bad signings seems to be very high for his relative short time in England. As for Crouch, his form at Southampton earned him his England call-up before and this was before he moved to Liverpool. But look at the man now!
Benitez has had to build a new team at liverpool though whereas other managers of top 4 clubs have been adding to quality squads. If he is buying more players then there is a higher chance that he will have more 'bad signings'. In saying that im pretty sure for every bad signing he made a comparison could be made to the bad signings Ferguson made. Yes Crouchs form at S'Hampton earned him his England call-up, but his form at liverpool made him a regular England player, you can hardly blame Benitez for how he is playing at Pompey
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 04, 2009, 01:27:22 PM
I was talking about overall favourite player and John Aldridge is mine..
As for not being with Liverpool long enough,In fairness thats true but he made a fair impact in the two and a half seasons he was there.
I also think he was badly treated by Liverpool and as he says himself he does hold a grudge against Daglish for selling him to Real Socidad as he never wanted to leave.
I think Aldo could have been one of the greatest ever at Anfield if he had stayed for 6 or 7 seasons.
was aldo to me, blamed rush for Aldo leaving and never liked him after his return but was glad of his goals.
Honourable mentions to Jan Molby, Fowler, Steve Nicol and Robbie Keane ;)
Quote from: bingobus on February 04, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 04, 2009, 01:27:22 PM
I was talking about overall favourite player and John Aldridge is mine..
As for not being with Liverpool long enough,In fairness thats true but he made a fair impact in the two and a half seasons he was there.
I also think he was badly treated by Liverpool and as he says himself he does hold a grudge against Daglish for selling him to Real Socidad as he never wanted to leave.
I think Aldo could have been one of the greatest ever at Anfield if he had stayed for 6 or 7 seasons.
was aldo to me, blamed rush for Aldo leaving and never liked him after his return but was glad of his goals.
Honourable mentions to Jan Molby, Fowler, Steve Nicol and Robbie Keane ;)
Jimi Traore has got to be mine ;)
Traore could "touch" the ball further than i could kick it, i suppose he does not give a toss what people think of him as he has the Champions league medal in the pocket.
Quote from: under the bar on February 04, 2009, 01:53:30 PM
QuoteAnyhow. Never mind all this premiership rubbish. What about The Big One.
Live on Liverpool TV on Thursday night.
Liverpool U18s v Chelsea U18s.
Liverpool & Chelsea fans might as well look out the window for all the chance there is of any U18 players making it to the 1st team squad.......
Errr.... Miroslav Stoch, Michael Mancienne and Gael Kakuta (Still 17) from Chelsea's U18s last year are in Chelsea's 1st team squad this season. So wrong again UTB.
I know what you're trying to say though.
Gerrard for me, with Robbie a close second
Probably Barnes when i were a lad but Gerrard is up there now..............Say what you like about him but not many players have had the influence on a team that he has.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 04, 2009, 09:00:20 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2009, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 03, 2009, 04:52:37 PM
gerard didn't even get a card, and lampard gets send off after getting fouled be alonso. Mike Riley should quit
Yes, because the referee gets the benefit of slow motion replays in making a decision... ::)
In real time, it looked a bad tackle by Lampard, especially as he dived in with his foot up and Alonso went flying afterwards. The referee gets only one look. People either have to accept that these type of wrong decisions are inevitable or change the game to allow the ref to stop things and get some help from replays.
I know what you're saying J70, but at the time I thought Lampard made a well executed tackle, so expect the ref to see the same or similar. The big problem for me is inconsistancy, and without wanting to appear persecuted Chelsea have been on the wrong end of these 'tackle' decisions a lot recently. That's Lampard's 3rd red card in 10 months, and twice he has won on appeal. The other occassion was a CL tie where he recieved two unjust/ harsh yellows therefore could not appeal. Terry has already been red carded twice this season. Again, an appeal has seen one quashed, and the other was 50/50 for a hard tackle.
However I have seen numerous 'harder' tackles by Manc, Scouse players et others since with no punishment. Gerard's the latest on Sunday.
In addition it took Riley 2 seconds to produce the red card on Sunday. He almost had his mind made up as the tackle went in. Is there any harm, stopping for a second, asking the linos for a perspective, and then making a decision. It also takes the heat out of the moment.
Lastly. Respect. People say that the catalyst for this campaign was Chelsea's 'attitude' and I can lead a bit to this argument. In fairness, Chelsea's behaviour to refs has improved this season, but they are now getting a rougher end of the stick. Coincidence? One of the elemants of respect was that the captain is allowed to talk to a ref, and get an explanation. Terry went to the ref post Lampard's red and.... was booked.
Riley gave a free against Gerrard, who clearly told him to 'f**k off' and was he booked..... no.
However the main problem with this Riley caper, is that it gives Uncle Phil and the players an excuse for what was a poor performance regardless.
and how many times has Terry* been booked /sent off for continuously goading / shouting /mouthing / man handling refs?
replace with Carvalho, Drogba, A Cole et al
PQ
PQ
I have already said Chelsea need to improve that aspect of the game, and they have made very good strides. The problem is that very few players are booked for that sort of behaviour, Rooney being the stand out example for me.
The problem again is one of consistancy.
Quote from: corn02 on February 04, 2009, 01:15:22 PM
I can't see any player overtaking the mantle as my favourite player of all time apart from Fowler.
Hope it works out for him, I think he maybe should call it a day, but who knows, he could prosper there.
Had the luck to be at his return to Liverpool, one of my favourite sporting moments.
26 caps? f**k off you gobshites, the man was unreal.
1 hundred percent agreed...Carra a close 2nd, king Kenny 3rd
PQ
QuoteLiverpool & Chelsea fans might as well look out the window for all the chance there is of any U18 players making it to the 1st team squad.......
Errr.... Miroslav Stoch, Michael Mancienne and Gael Kakuta
Aye, household names alright! JohnTerry was the last player to make it from your youth system to a first team player! 10 years ago!
Reina
Arbeloa
Carra
Skrtel
Dossena
Kuyt
Alonso
Lucas
Riera
Gerrard
Torres
Thought he might have rested either Gerrard or Torres. Hopefully Lucas has learned to tackle since last week.
Gerrard coming off injured. Had to happen.
Everton fans cheering like they had just won the Champions League.
the pool are doomed now
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 07:37:05 PM
Thought he might have rested either Gerrard or Torres. Hopefully Lucas has learned to tackle since last week.
GBB you called it, would have been better resting him. Bigger battles ahead for you.
Cahill the little kn**ker at it again.
Hard to tell how bad Gerrard's injury is. He walked off under his own power albeit a little gingerly. Might just be a thigh strain. Or hamstring. Will probably be a couple of weeks.
Really good atmosphere at this one from the sounds of things.
Everton fans' reaction to Gerrard going off was hilarious.
Torres should have been booked for that (he looks like a girl too)
Gerrard felt a twinge in his hammy apparently. At least with international games coming up next week he may only miss the game at Portsmouth at the weekend.
Lucas you are some spanner.
Feel sorry for Torres some of the balls he is getting played up to him
Everton doing their usual under Moyes. Kick everything above grass level.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
Everton doing their usual under Moyes. Kick everything above grass level.
Are you Rafa?
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2009, 08:59:21 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
Everton doing their usual under Moyes. Kick everything above grass level.
Are you Rafa?
That's how they play. It's just an updated version of Joe Royle's dogs of war.
gerrard injured :D
lucas fouled and a few rolls, then straight back up when pienaar got booked
comon the toffees
Whats the sock thing about? Cahill just got hit by one.
Quote from: AFS on February 04, 2009, 09:19:29 PM
Whats the sock thing about?
QuoteFrom RAOTL
in keeping with the Tesco carrier bags theme......
bring a spare pair of socks next Wednesday, get them all on the pitch
People from Kirkby are often described as "sock-robbers"
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 08:56:16 PM
Everton doing their usual under Moyes. Kick everything above grass level.
Going to post exactly the same, even Moyes can't complain about the yellow cards, all deserved.
QuoteWould you ever go and f**k off...You seem to have more interest in Liverpool and Chelsea than you do your precious Man United Roll Eyes
Real Laois Lad doing a Rafa! ;D
Don't let the pressure get to ye lad! do a bit of yoga like Torres in your avatar! :D
Lads - if you've nothing to contribute to the thread - f**k off out of it.
I've half a mind to lock it during games from now on
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 09:26:15 PM
Lads - if you've nothing to contribute to the thread - f**k off out of it.
I've half a mind to lock it during games from now on
Is the pressure getting to yous all?
Yes Pints - the results of a football team 4000 miles away is getting to me
::)
You're another one
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Yes Pints - the results of a football team 4000 miles away is getting to me
Well that's what it looks like.
I'm another one for what?
How about having an official slagging liverpool thread :D
Torres looks like the hammer is bothering him :o What is the story with the black arm bands?
Quote from: EC Unique on February 04, 2009, 09:40:32 PM
Torres looks like the hammer is bothering him :o What is the story with the black arm bands?
Some commentator taht died suddenly I think they said.
I want to know what's the story with the socks.
Former DJ on Merseyside Radio for 30 years died after the Liverpool game on Sunday. He was a PA announcer at Anfield as well
I'm another one for what gab?
Close!
I want penos. Loads of them, like in the Celtic game last week.
Is Lucas the worst tackler in the game?
That guy is worse than Paul Scholes
No complaints there surley
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 08:39:03 PM
Lucas you are some spanner.
Granted first booking was very harsh but how stupid was that second one when you're on a yellow?
He's just a bad tackler though, not a kn***er.
Quote from: AFS on February 04, 2009, 09:48:19 PM
That guy is worse than Paul Scholes
NEVER dare mention him with Scholes again
what a joke - the lad should never wear the jersey again
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
He's just a bad tackler though, not a kn***er.
He doesn't even clatter people. Just leaves the leg dangling out like an idiot.
how can rafa justify keeping lucas and getting rid of keane?
Lucas must be the stupidest footballer ever lol
Hear the song? 'hes going home, hes going home, hes going, Rafas going home!' :D :D Prob not far wrong...
can anyone tell me who actually bought robbie keane for liverpool if benitez didnt ?
Cant see it bieng hicks and the other yank?
Rick Parry apparently
What is the story behind the Liverpool fans throwing socks?
f**k.. This will do the legs the world of good!! :D
O-O at 90 minutes. I'm surprise Torres was risked for this.
Did this game for a tenner double draw with the Forest/derby game >:(
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 04, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
O-O at 90 minutes. I'm surprise Torres was risked for this.
Seems injured take him off.........there's bigger fish to fry than the FA cup........
Toffees to win 3-1 on pens
Quote from: Well on February 04, 2009, 10:02:20 PM
What is the story behind the Liverpool fans throwing socks?
Everton are moving thier stadium to Kirby.
People from Kirby are known as "sock robbers"
Gab, how do they put the fig in the fig rolls?
Quote from: mackers on February 04, 2009, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 04, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
O-O at 90 minutes. I'm surprise Torres was risked for this.
Seems injured take him off.........there's bigger fish to fry than the FA cup........
:D :D Ive a feeling yous will be glad of the FA cup at the end of the season
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 04, 2009, 10:21:18 PM
Gab, how do they put the fig in the fig rolls?
No idea - but it'll probably lead to pints complaining
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 10:26:12 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 04, 2009, 10:21:18 PM
Gab, how do they put the fig in the fig rolls?
No idea - but it'll probably lead to pints complaining
What have I complained about on this thread?
You having sly digs when you haven't the balls to explain yourself? ::)
Liverpool will be happy enough!
We will give the bitters this one quite gladly
Would rather Villa got to Goodison than Anfield in last 16. Don't think Liverpool fans will bemoan their exit too much, but does seem to be at some cost tonight.
Quote from: hardstation on February 04, 2009, 10:43:14 PM
What were they yapping about?
That's what I dont understand?
Oh well - it'd have been nice to have won - but hey what can you do.
RAFA OUT :D ;)
did you see Tim Cahills catch at the final whistle, must have played aussie rules in his younger days, fabulous fielding
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 04, 2009, 09:43:01 PMI'm another one for what gab?
Doing nothing but coming in here on the wind up
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on February 04, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
did you see Tim Cahills catch at the final whistle, must have played aussie rules in his younger days, fabulous fielding
saw that and remarked that he'd make a decent midfielder or FF !
Would be more worried over Stevie G's withdrawal and Torres' lack of fitness than the result.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 04, 2009, 09:43:01 PMI'm another one for what gab?
Doing nothing but coming in here on the wind up
Ha, you're very sensitive.
I dont really care who won.
You would think to hear yous that yous were winnings leagues and champion leagues every season..3 years without a cup..surely a FA cup is better than nothing (again)
Were never going to win that match.
Gerrard off early.
Torres either carrying a knock or just knackered.
Lucas gets himself sent off.
A ref who let far too many wild tackles go in the first half.
Thought we might hold on for pens but it looked to me like Arbeloa got attracted to the ball and jumped for it when the center-halves were already dealing with it. Left his man behind him and the ball ended up at his feet. Shot, deflection and in off the post.
Don't know what kind of team we'll have out for Portsmouth at the weekend? At least after that there is a two week break.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 04, 2009, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 04, 2009, 09:43:01 PMI'm another one for what gab?
Doing nothing but coming in here on the wind up
Ha, you're very sensitive.
I dont really care who won.
you seem to care about United though - don't you?
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 04, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
Would rather Villa got to Goodison than Anfield in last 16. Don't think Liverpool fans will bemoan their exit too much, but does seem to be at some cost tonight.
Stupid post, of course they will bemoan the result tonight, do you realise who they where playing???
Please read posts before replying so tersely, I bet on reflection the consensus will be that they could do without a long cup run when their aim and focus is clearly the league.
Quote from: new devil on February 04, 2009, 10:52:44 PM
You would think to hear yous that yous were winnings leagues and champion leagues every season..3 years without a cup..surely a FA cup is better than nothing (again)
scurry back to your thread
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Were never going to win that match.
Gerrard off early.
Torres either carrying a knock or just knackered.
Lucas gets himself sent off.
A ref who let far too many wild tackles go in the first half.
Thought we might hold on for pens but it looked to me like Arbeloa got attracted to the ball and jumped for it when the center-halves were already dealing with it. Left his man behind him and the ball ended up at his feet. Shot, deflection and in off the post.
Don't know what kind of team we'll have out for Portsmouth at the weekend? At least after that there is a two week break.
Oh FFS here we go! ::)
Honestly couldn't give a f**k about being out of the FA cup. As said before, Gerrard and Torres are the big issues.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 04, 2009, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 10:48:45 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on February 04, 2009, 09:43:01 PMI'm another one for what gab?
Doing nothing but coming in here on the wind up
Ha, you're very sensitive.
I dont really care who won.
you seem to care about United though - don't you?
Ach I've a soft spot for them but I wouldnt lose any sleep over them.
Better team on the night won. I think Liverpool would have won on pens.
Don't think Benitez really gave a fcuk and wouldn't be surprised to see Gerrard start on Saturday. He couldn't have left him out or there would have been an outcry.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2009, 10:55:08 PM
Quote from: new devil on February 04, 2009, 10:52:44 PM
You would think to hear yous that yous were winnings leagues and champion leagues every season..3 years without a cup..surely a FA cup is better than nothing (again)
scurry back to your thread
::) FFS i was making a valid point...
Quote from: EC Unique on February 04, 2009, 10:55:37 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Were never going to win that match.
Gerrard off early.
Torres either carrying a knock or just knackered.
Lucas gets himself sent off.
A ref who let far too many wild tackles go in the first half.
Thought we might hold on for pens but it looked to me like Arbeloa got attracted to the ball and jumped for it when the center-halves were already dealing with it. Left his man behind him and the ball ended up at his feet. Shot, deflection and in off the post.
Don't know what kind of team we'll have out for Portsmouth at the weekend? At least after that there is a two week break.
Oh FFS here we go! ::)
You know where your own thread is. Personally I'm sick of dealing with trolls on this thread. f**k sake. About 40% of the posts here are by Man U fans.
And no Liverpool fans post on the United thread, especially if things aren't going well I suppose.
Get over yourselves and stop playing the victim. You'd swear ye were actually scousers.
Quote from: new devil on February 04, 2009, 10:52:44 PM
You would think to hear yous that yous were winnings leagues and champion leagues every season..3 years without a cup..surely a FA cup is better than nothing (again)
Assuming that you're actually interested in a serious answer, I couldn't really give a shit about anything except a league challenge. Champions league - very nice consolation prize. FA cup/league cup - marginally meaningful. If any of them were won while making progress in terms of the league, great, but absent that they're just weakly papering over the cracks.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2009, 11:01:26 PM
And no Liverpool fans post on the United thread, especially if things aren't going well I suppose.
Get over yourselves and stop playing the victim. You'd swear ye were actually scousers.
I don't know how many do because I only go over there once in a blue moon unlike yourself as to be honest I'm not interested in the fortunes of United. Personally I'm sick of threads being ruined by trolls. Fair enough if they want to actually want to bring up some valid points but they rarely do unfortunately.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2009, 10:57:30 PM
Honestly couldn't give a f**k about being out of the FA cup.
Happy with a loss then J70 in the merseyside derby are we?? ::)
Not happy, just indifferent. All that matters is the league.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2009, 11:01:26 PMAnd no Liverpool fans post on the United thread, especially if things aren't going well I suppose.
I wouldn't know - as I'm rarely read it
One team is enough for me to talk shite about
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2009, 11:01:26 PMGet over yourselves and stop playing the victim. You'd swear ye were actually scousers.
I was going to say you were one of the decent Man United posters on this thread - but after that comment
More suited to F365 Seanie
QuoteGet over yourselves and stop playing the victim. You'd swear ye were actually scousers.
Seriously, I've said before on here, the boys I work with would be mainly made up of liverpool, everton and utd fans, people who are actually from liverpool and manchester and there's only ever friendly banter, the only bullshit I hear is on this board.
I dont understand how GAA men can turn on each other over soccer.
Quote from: hardstation on February 04, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
Any word on Gerrard's injury?
Twinge in the hamstring they said. Game at the weekend but a break for two weeks after that so they may not risk him. Hard to tell this early.
Hard to tell this early.
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Its 11.15pm for goodness sake.
Jaysus lads will ye relax!
This isn't a United v. Liverpool thing, its an idiots v. reasonable people thing. If ye think there's trolling going on here (and I agree that there is) then the exact same goes on on the United thread (apologies for assuming ye read it). That's all I'll say on it. Oiche mhaith.
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 04, 2009, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Doogie Browser on February 04, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
Would rather Villa got to Goodison than Anfield in last 16. Don't think Liverpool fans will bemoan their exit too much, but does seem to be at some cost tonight.
Stupid post, of course they will bemoan the result tonight, do you realise who they where playing???
Please read posts before replying so tersely, I bet on reflection the consensus will be that they could do without a long cup run when their aim and focus is clearly the league.
You don't seriously still think your going to be challenging for the league come the end of the season????
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2009, 11:14:17 PM
Jaysus lads will ye relax!
This isn't a United v. Liverpool thing, its an idiots v. reasonable people thing. If ye think there's trolling going on here (and I agree that there is) then the exact same goes on on the United thread (apologies for assuming ye read it). That's all I'll say on it. Oiche mhaith.
Night Seanie. Ach I'm probably just a bit grumpy tonight. ;D
as your entitled to GBB - another inept performance
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2009, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2009, 11:14:17 PM
Jaysus lads will ye relax!
This isn't a United v. Liverpool thing, its an idiots v. reasonable people thing. If ye think there's trolling going on here (and I agree that there is) then the exact same goes on on the United thread (apologies for assuming ye read it). That's all I'll say on it. Oiche mhaith.
Night Seanie. Ach I'm probably just a bit grumpy tonight. ;D
Believe it or not I can be a tad grumpy by times myself. ;D Don't worry about it. Still reckon Gerrard will be sound for the weekend so that might be good news for ya tomorrow.
Am really going now.
I have to say the young lad taking what seems like an enternity to dance a jig around Carragher, Skrtel, Arbeloa and Kuyt before curling it in was great to watch and all except Kuyt stood like hypnotised tree-trunks!
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 11:10:45 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2009, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2009, 10:57:30 PM
Honestly couldn't give a f**k about being out of the FA cup.
Happy with a loss then J70 in the merseyside derby are we?? ::)
Not happy, just indifferent. All that matters is the league.
And what if the league falls through and then the Champions League?? Another year without a trophy and the same boys will be moaning at the end of the season. Its like a business, its better to have a large customer pool as opposed to a small one, ie stay in as many competitions as possible, increasing your chances of success. Thats my view anyway
It would just be papering over the cracks. Personally I would take little satisfaction in an FA cup win if they finish well adrift of the league winners again. Most premier league teams could win the FA cup, given a favourable draw. The league is the only meaningful test and the benchmark that Liverpool under Benitez have yet to show they're anywhere near capable of reaching.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 11:10:45 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2009, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2009, 10:57:30 PM
Honestly couldn't give a f**k about being out of the FA cup.
Happy with a loss then J70 in the merseyside derby are we?? ::)
Not happy, just indifferent. All that matters is the league.
And what if the league falls through and then the Champions League?? Another year without a trophy and the same boys will be moaning at the end of the season. Its like a business, its better to have a large customer pool as opposed to a small one, ie stay in as many competitions as possible, increasing your chances of success. Thats my view anyway
with the exception of the league cup I agree. The effort Alonso put in to win tonight shows how much beating Everton and staying in the cup meant to him. Fantastic player with bucketfuls of character.
Mountain of pressure on Torres for the remainder of the league campaign and the CL. Signing Keane from Spurs to take some of the responsibilty off the young Spaniards shoulders would be an idea if the transfer window wasnt shut
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Strangely i don't feel anything after getting knocked out of the cup there. A league defeat would feel much worse. Everton deserved it clearly, so good luck to them.
Have to say although disappointed by tonights result, the Cahill (****) goal at Anfield hurt me a hell of a lot more than tonight.
Don't get me wrong it would be great to be still in it but a free wkd here and there could help us.
Plus Lucas is suspended...happy days.
Am I the only one in thinking that little south african fecker should have been off?
Yeah pretty much everything went Everton's way on the night, they got the goal so deserved the win. I was far more disappointed when Cahill scored in the league.
Lucas - 1 match ban for 2 yellows, 9 match ban for gross stupidity
Proved again that even when he plays alright, he's a liability.
There's no way Gerrard will be 100% fit come Saturday and I doubt very much he'll risk him so, especially as if he doesnt play he likely won't have to go on international duty. Rooney is back fit and training but I wouldnt be surprised if he has a "recurrance" before the weekend to avoid playing for England.
Massive game on Saturday now, important for the likes of Kuyt and Yossi to really step up to the plate with Gerrard out.
To be fair a lot of the posters here dont seem to mind being out out of the cup by their neighbours ;)
What would be a lot more worrying from a scouse point of view would be the Torres/Gerrard situation.
The scousers cant afford to be without Stevie G for any games. Torres didnt look fit (perhaps after the clash in the first half) & he looked totally dis-interested when Gerrard went off.
Keane would have been a decent replacement for Gerrard, but then he doesnt suit Liverpool's style of play..
In Rafa we trust.........................
How awful was Dossenna last night, particular in his attacking play. Any of his crosses staying in field would have been a success.
As others have said, more worried about the Gerrard/Torres situation than the actual result. Was a scrappy game but Liverpool were just beginning to build a little momentum before Lucas was sent off. Stupid foul to give away knowing you are already on a yellow.
Thought Skertel in particular & Carragher were excellent, as was Jagielka (spelling).
Still baffled by the sock throwing, but it's sure to bring about an FA charge.
Anyway........the show must go on.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 11:10:45 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2009, 11:08:00 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on February 04, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2009, 10:57:30 PM
Honestly couldn't give a f**k about being out of the FA cup.
Happy with a loss then J70 in the merseyside derby are we?? ::)
Not happy, just indifferent. All that matters is the league.
And what if the league falls through and then the Champions League?? Another year without a trophy and the same boys will be moaning at the end of the season. Its like a business, its better to have a large customer pool as opposed to a small one, ie stay in as many competitions as possible, increasing your chances of success. Thats my view anyway
Only popping in as you are sensitive souls on here. Agree with DD12. I hate hearing people state that the FA Cup is not important. Maybe it's just that I grew up unaccustomed (As a Chelsea fan) to the success that Mancs and Scousers had, that I am not as spoilt in the glories achieved elsewhere. I got fecking annoyed when Chelsea dropped points in the last game or two of the season after they'd captured the league a few years back.
To me EVERY game is important, and although there is some pecking order of trophies, I WANT to win every single one of them especially as we have gone a season without silverware already.
Its great being a United fan watching the pool play with a half fit striker up front and have nobody to replace him. As someone said Rafa is papering over the cracks big time! I would say he greatly regrets coming out slabbering now!
Quote from: full back on February 05, 2009, 08:26:32 AM
To be fair a lot of the posters here dont seem to mind being out out of the cup by their neighbours ;)
What would be a lot more worrying from a scouse point of view would be the Torres/Gerrard situation.
The scousers cant afford to be without Stevie G for any games. Torres didnt look fit (perhaps after the clash in the first half) & he looked totally dis-interested when Gerrard went off.
Keane would have been a decent replacement for Gerrard, but then he doesnt suit Liverpool's style of play..
In Rafa we trust.........................
at the end of the day it doesn't matter who has put us out of the cup, we are out, that is that. it was always going to be a game where the hungrier team wanted it more. the whole game was nothing to write home about, but it was enjoyable just to watch 2 teams going at it for whole game plus extra time, with everyone sitting on the edge of their seats waiting on penalties, of which I was convinced it would go to after lucas getting sent off, it didnt come to that unfortunately, but I certainly wont be losing any sleep over it.
what i quite enjoyed listening to was the match commentary on itv1. theres no doubt about it but ALL press/media are on liverpools backs. when gerrard went off, minutes later it was "torres looks to be hobbling" , "wheres does this leave liverpool if torres has to go off?" lol....this is all we are hearing now since keane has gone.....they were still going on with the torres/gerrard stuff up until the 25th minute in extra time!
( i would have no doubt he maybe got a bit disinterested when gerrard had to go, this after all is torres' main supply line - he took a few knocks and limped for a few seconds after them alright, but he lasted whole game which was v pleasing, cobwebs well and truly dusted off now i'd think)
out of all the top 5 or 6 clubs in the premiership, liverpool are being absolutely slaughtered by the press......i know how certain teams have reacted before to constant negativity in the press and 9 times out of 10 you see a backlash from that team. i only hope liverpool aren't in the 1 out of 10 category
Why were the supporters throwing socks on to the pitch? Very strange behaviour.
Jaysus Abble, dont start all this press sh1te........
2 things:
Rafa has brought ALL this on himself with his rants & raves. The journalists/commentators know they will get a rise out of him.No-one else to blame
It says a lot when fans are complaining about press/media being on the scousers backs. I would be more concerned about how my team are playing & couldnt give a flying fcuk what anyone else thinks. I certainly wouldnt be complaining about it after getting knocked out of the cup
Quote( i would have no doubt he maybe got a bit disinterested when gerrard had to go, this after all is torres' main supply line - he took a few knocks and limped for a few seconds after them alright, but he lasted whole game which was v pleasing, cobwebs well and truly dusted off now i'd think)
He was disinterested as he was having a stinker! Djimi Traore would have better control than Torres last night! He was lying Ronaldoesque a lot last night also...
I thought Arteta was superb again last night, great little player to watch.
According to Newstalk this morning, ITV missed the goal. Is that true?
BTW... Did anyone notice ITV's coverage going to an ad break with 3 or 4 minutes left ;D
Apparently on the English networks it did not come back on until AFTER the goal. Can you imagine going out to flick on the kettle on 116 minutes, and coming back in and seeing the ads. You'd assume that the ref blew a wee bit early, and settle down for the penos.
ITV coverage comes back on, and there is all these Toffees bouncing around the place!!
yous can still win the league and champions league :D
ANOTHER year with no trophys and rafa has to go.
Quote from: Hound on February 05, 2009, 09:02:58 AM
According to Newstalk this morning, ITV missed the goal. Is that true?
no, started again leading up to the goal
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
yous can still win the league and champions league :D
ANOTHER year with no trophys and rafa has to go.
That feckin snow needs to go...
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 05, 2009, 09:18:10 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
yous can still win the league and champions league :D
ANOTHER year with no trophys and rafa has to go.
That feckin snow needs to go...
why, u don't like snow?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 09:20:18 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on February 05, 2009, 09:18:10 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 09:10:53 AM
yous can still win the league and champions league :D
ANOTHER year with no trophys and rafa has to go.
That feckin snow needs to go...
why, u don't like snow?
Not when it shuts the primary schools.
Everton 1 Liverpool 0
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I am not trolling... not WUMing but here is ITV's coverage of the goal for those who missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qUx3RPdlcM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qUx3RPdlcM)
Quote from: billy the kid on February 05, 2009, 10:51:53 AM
Everton 1 Liverpool 0
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ
does anyone know what the throwing of old socks was about?
Quote from: isourboydownyet on February 05, 2009, 11:27:34 AM
does anyone know what the throwing of old socks was about?
Everton are proposing to build a new stadium in Kirkby,legend has it that in the 60's & 70's even odd socks were not safe from the local thieves when they were raiding washing lines........
Quote from: Minder on February 05, 2009, 11:46:15 AM
Quote from: isourboydownyet on February 05, 2009, 11:27:34 AM
does anyone know what the throwing of old socks was about?
Everton are proposing to build a new stadium in Kirkby,legend has it that in the 60's & 70's even odd socks were not safe from the local thieves when they were raiding washing lines........
Hilarious!! The famous scouse wit strikes again! :-\
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 05, 2009, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on February 05, 2009, 10:51:53 AM
Everton 1 Liverpool 0
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ
Anybody read the comments at the bottom of the youtube clip!!!!!
Rafa has liverpool the laughing stock of english football.
All i can say is keep up the good work Rafa
From BBC.
QuoteLiverpool captain Steven Gerrard will have a scan on Thursday to assess the extent of a hamstring injury suffered in the FA Cup defeat by Everton.
Gerrard was forced off after only 16 minutes of Wednesday's fourth-round replay, which Liverpool lost 1-0.
He now looks set to miss Saturday's match against Portsmouth and England's friendly against Spain next week.
"Steven was tired, and he gets injured. He asked to be taken off," said Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez.
"He was tired, too, at Wigan but when I took him off there everyone was saying he had to play every single minute of every match. Now you have seen the consequences.
"You could see at Wigan he was struggling and the same thing happened here."
Gerrard is now a major doubt for England's match against Spain in Seville on Wednesday 11 February.
England coach Fabio Capello has made it clear he will check on injured players ahead of internationals.
The build-up to England's friendly with Germany last November was dominated by the absence of several first-choice regulars, most notably Gerrard.
Gerrard was ruled out of the game by his club after tearing his adductor muscle but was told to report to England's Hertfordshire hotel for an assessment before being sent back to Merseyside.
And Benitez appeared to take a swipe at Capello ahead of the possibility of that happening again.
"Maybe Gerrard will have to go to London to be scanned there too, just in case," added the Spaniard.
Yis are fooked without him :o What was the story with Torres last night? He looked really slow as if carrying an injury or maybe just not interested in the game?
Quote from: ludermor on February 05, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 05, 2009, 11:07:50 AM
Quote from: billy the kid on February 05, 2009, 10:51:53 AM
Everton 1 Liverpool 0
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ
Anybody read the comments at the bottom of the youtube clip!!!!!
Am I missing something but how the f*** is that racist? Looks like yer man played for Everton tho...
Quote from: nutsy--1 on February 05, 2009, 12:22:31 PM
Rafa has liverpool the laughing stock of english football.
2nd place in the league and last 16 of Champions League. Yes what a mess. I'd hate to see what you think of clubs like Newcastle, Spurs or Leeds. Big clubs that are actually fighting relegation or are not even in the top flight at all.
Gerrard out for at least 3 weeks...great!
Quote from: gawa316 on February 05, 2009, 01:35:23 PM
Gerrard out for at least 3 weeks...great!
Might still only miss the Portsmouth game. Probably touch and go to make the Man City game on the 22nd although probably doubtful for that one too.
yip, he'll miss saturday just (but good rest for him all the same), just stick young babel up front front with el nino, should be grand
He will probably missReal Madrid (a) too.
I'd say if he was going to miss any leg the away one would be the leg of choice.
nothing changed from last night then I seen ???
Stock take
Assets
We are second in the league. Two points behind Man U. (although they have a game in hand, the points have to be earned.)
This is the closest since ......
FA Premier League 2001-02
Pos Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts
1. Arsenal 38 26 9 3 79 36 +43 87
2. Liverpool 38 24 8 6 67 30 +37 80
3. Manchester United 38 24 5 9 87 45 +42 77
We have no worries of fulfilling FA and League Cup Fixtures for the rest of the season.
Manager who knows his own mind and sticks with his decisions.
No major long term injury worries.
We are beating or not losing to top 6, Beat Chelsea (2), Man U, Everton plus draws with Arsenal, Villa and Everton
Liabilities
No Established (out and Out) Striker other than Torries.
The Sale of Robbie Keane (was Liverpools second highest scorer before Chelsea Match)
Too Many players with not enough quality to challenge for the title.
Very weak Bench to chose from, no dept in squad.
The lack of being able to beat weaker teams. Stoke (2), Fulham, West Ham, Hull, Spurs, Wigan
The dependancy on Stevie G
The Manager having to much to say, ranting is getting him nothing more but unneeded attention.
Boardroom
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 05, 2009, 01:59:34 PM
Stock take
Assets
We are second in the league etc
That takes me to the fair taking about Premiership team as 'we.' The owners, players etc don't care about you man, WE are just consumers same as customers at shopping centres.
Quote from: Abble on February 05, 2009, 01:46:34 PM
yip, he'll miss saturday just (but good rest for him all the same), just stick young babel up front front with el nino, should be grand
Surely he'll put robbie ke.... oh wait.
babel is just the man
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard will be out of action for three weeks after a scan revealed a torn hamstring.
Gerrard was replaced after 16 minutes of Wednesday's FA Cup replay against Everton, which Liverpool lost 1-0.
The midfielder will now miss Saturday's match against Portsmouth, England's friendly against Spain next week and the visit of Manchester City.
Gerrard, 28, also faces a race against time to be fit for the Champions League tie against Real Madrid on 25 February.
The absence of Gerrard is a blow to Liverpool's title credentials having scored 11 goals for them in the league this season.
Liverpool are currently two points behind champions Manchester United, who have played a game less.
"A scan today has confirmed a tear in the hamstring of Steven's left leg," a spokesman told the club's official website.
"He will be out of action for about three weeks."
Im concerned for Torres now - he is going to be marked even more heavily in games now Gerrard is out,
Hope we stick Kuyt up front on the weekend so he is not isolated and kicked stupid all game.
Quote from: EC Unique on February 05, 2009, 02:15:40 PM
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard will be out of action for three weeks after a scan revealed a torn hamstring.
Gerrard was replaced after 16 minutes of Wednesday's FA Cup replay against Everton, which Liverpool lost 1-0.
The midfielder will now miss Saturday's match against Portsmouth, England's friendly against Spain next week and the visit of Manchester City.
Gerrard, 28, also faces a race against time to be fit for the Champions League tie against Real Madrid on 25 February.
The absence of Gerrard is a blow to Liverpool's title credentials having scored 11 goals for them in the league this season.
Liverpool are currently two points behind champions Manchester United, who have played a game less.
"A scan today has confirmed a tear in the hamstring of Steven's left leg," a spokesman told the club's official website.
"He will be out of action for about three weeks."
:D :D :D :D
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
...aye but you do have to laugh all the same ;D
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
I've a better question for you. Seeing as you are a Manchester United "fan" - when was the last time you posted on their thread?
I'll give you a few minutes to go back and find out
Lads I think we should leave them aloan for a while. I am guilty as well for a few cheeky posts on here but there is more slagging on here now than anything else! 8)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 05, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
...aye but you do have to laugh all the same ;D
I've no problem when supporters of a team that actually beats us comes over and gloats
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:33:50 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 05, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
...aye but you do have to laugh all the same ;D
I've no problem when supporters of a team that actually beats us comes over and gloats
'US' ::)
::)
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
I've a better question for you. Seeing as you are a Manchester United "fan" - when was the last time you posted on their thread?
I'll give you a few minutes to go back and find out
I post on united's thread when they drop points or lose too....
seems to be more reason to post here recently though
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
I've a better question for you. Seeing as you are a Manchester United "fan" - when was the last time you posted on their thread?
I'll give you a few minutes to go back and find out
last week
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
I've a better question for you. Seeing as you are a Manchester United "fan" - when was the last time you posted on their thread?
I'll give you a few minutes to go back and find out
last week
and how many posts have you made about Liverpool since then?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
I've a better question for you. Seeing as you are a Manchester United "fan" - when was the last time you posted on their thread?
I'll give you a few minutes to go back and find out
last week
and how many posts have you made about Liverpool since then?
about 20. And its all a bit of craic, calm down
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:40:54 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:30:57 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
An Port Mor - you are a right genius - are smiley faces the only thing you contribute on this board? ???
how many times have i used smiley faces?
I've a better question for you. Seeing as you are a Manchester United "fan" - when was the last time you posted on their thread?
I'll give you a few minutes to go back and find out
last week
and how many posts have you made about Liverpool since then?
about 20. And its all a bit of craic, calm down
Aye calm down Gabriel .... Liverpool are flapping get over it ONE NIL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P :-*
so "about" 20 - or is it 30 posts on this thread since your last on the United thread - good stuff ::)
There's been far too much of this trolling/winding up going on here lately - a good 70% of posts aren't even from Liverpool supporters and the thread is an absolute mess
It's probably best to close this one up and start afresh
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
so "about" 20 - or is it 30 posts on this thread since your last on the United thread - good stuff ::)
There's been far too much of this trolling/winding up going on here lately - a good 70% of posts aren't even from Liverpool supporters and the thread is an absolute mess
It's probably best to close this one up and start afresh
What do you expect. Yous had a bad january and have won 1 premier league game in 2009, and united have gone top.
I'd have to agree with Gab. Haven't really posted much in this lately cause there's that much childish crap on it. You don't mind a bit of it and usually UTB or FB have a point to their slagging but it's the crap that Anportmor has been putting up that would p%ss me of. Hard to post a decent post up about LFC anymore as you'd only end up getting drawn into a childish slagging match with one of the trolls. And the fact you have to read through 5 posts to get a genuine post is annoying aswell.
And don't start the whole "we" and "us" argument again LRTF as it's been done to death.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
so "about" 20 - or is it 30 posts on this thread since your last on the United thread - good stuff ::)
There's been far too much of this trolling/winding up going on here lately - a good 70% of posts aren't even from Liverpool supporters and the thread is an absolute mess
It's probably best to close this one up and start afresh
What do you expect. Yous had a bad january and have won 1 premier league game in 2009, and united have gone top.
Personally I would expect people not to act like children. And Gab is right this thread is a mess because you have to wade through post after post of nonsense until you come to something worth reading. I don't mind a bit of piss taking but when it goes on for 2 or 3 pages it's just too much.
I still like anportmorforjfc better than Lucas Leiva today
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
so "about" 20 - or is it 30 posts on this thread since your last on the United thread - good stuff ::)
There's been far too much of this trolling/winding up going on here lately - a good 70% of posts aren't even from Liverpool supporters and the thread is an absolute mess
It's probably best to close this one up and start afresh
What do you expect. Yous had a bad january and have won 1 premier league game in 2009, and united have gone top.
United have won 2 games since your last post on that thread - and not one comment from you about it
Anyway - consider this one shut
Hope to see Liverpool supporters on the new thread