Clerical abuse!

[Hardy]

i don't know what to say to that first report. i wanted to post a reply but i am simply lost for words its beyond belief if its true even if its half true. did these woman's lives and their babies lives mean so little to society that they could to all intent and purposes be eradicated?

i say society because we the people, our parents and our grandparents allowed this to happen. we can blame the church and of course they are the main culprits no doubt about it and we can blame the governing class for allowing themselves to be controlled and used so completely by the church but at the end of the day nobody shouted stop.
we could send brigades to fight on both sides of the Spanish civil war, but nobody could stand up for Irish babies that were  being exterminated because they may have been morally corrupt at birth in the eyes of those who were supposed to care for them.

Well put, guy.

[Mike Sheehy]

i don't know what to say to that first report. i wanted to post a reply but i am simply lost for words its beyond belief if its true even if its half true. did these woman's lives and their babies lives mean so little to society that they could to all intent and purposes be eradicated?

i say society because we the people, our parents and our grandparents allowed this to happen. we can blame the church and of course they are the main culprits no doubt about it and we can blame the governing class for allowing themselves to be controlled and used so completely by the church but at the end of the day nobody shouted stop.
we could send brigades to fight on both sides of the Spanish civil war, but nobody could stand up for Irish babies that were  being exterminated because they may have been morally corrupt at birth in the eyes of those who were supposed to care for them.

Well said. These days, worldwide (but especially in Ireland)  its always somebody elses fault.

[give her dixie]

I dont know about many others, but our parents had little to no idea that grown men could sexually abuse young children. At least today parents can teach their children about it and make them aware of what to look out for.

Child abuse and.the subsequent cover ups wasnt just confined to the church.

http://fiannaiochta.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/grand-niece-of-provo-legend-endured-horrific-sexual-abuse/

[johnneycool]

I dont know about many others, but our parents had little to no idea that grown men could sexually abuse young children. At least today parents can teach their children about it and make them aware of what to look out for.

Child abuse and.the subsequent cover ups wasnt just confined to the church.

http://fiannaiochta.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/grand-niece-of-provo-legend-endured-horrific-sexual-abuse/

I'd disagree entirely on that statement, they knew only too well it could and was happening, it was an evil that no one dared speak off.
Even now the older generation are prepared to turn a blind eye and live in denial of things such as pedophilia, rape, domestic abuse, even sex outside marriage in the terms that 'that sort of thing never went on in my day', it bloody did, but no one spoke of it.

[armaghniac]

I dont know about many others, but our parents had little to no idea that grown men could sexually abuse young children. At least today parents can teach their children about it and make them aware of what to look out for.

Child abuse and.the subsequent cover ups wasnt just confined to the church.

http://fiannaiochta.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/grand-niece-of-provo-legend-endured-horrific-sexual-abuse/

I'd disagree entirely on that statement, they knew only too well it could and was happening, it was an evil that no one dared speak off.
Even now the older generation are prepared to turn a blind eye and live in denial of things such as pedophilia, rape, domestic abuse, even sex outside marriage in the terms that 'that sort of thing never went on in my day', it bloody did, but no one spoke of it.

If nobody dared speak of it, how could people in general know it was happening?

[give her dixie]

I dont know about many others, but our parents had little to no idea that grown men could sexually abuse young children. At least today parents can teach their children about it and make them aware of what to look out for.

Child abuse and.the subsequent cover ups wasnt just confined to the church.

http://fiannaiochta.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/grand-niece-of-provo-legend-endured-horrific-sexual-abuse/

I'd disagree entirely on that statement, they knew only too well it could and was happening, it was an evil that no one dared speak off.
Even now the older generation are prepared to turn a blind eye and live in denial of things such as pedophilia, rape, domestic abuse, even sex outside marriage in the terms that 'that sort of thing never went on in my day', it bloody did, but no one spoke of it.

So you are saying our parents knew about abuse going on and decided not to mention it to us?

[guy crouchback]

nobody  knew the full extent of any of it that's for sure, but plenty of people knew something of it. i have never bought the argument that ordinary pepole could not have even begun to grasp it, as the notion of sexual abuse was so alien as to be incomprehensible, that always struck me as complete BS.

the Magdalene girls were on occasion paraded around galway with there hair cut short wearing tattered clothes ( in the guise of being brought from A to B but it made a point too). i know this because my mother was in university their and they used to see them. the college girls  thought of them as pathtic downtrodden things, but they were the same age as them they came form the same towns and villages as them  if they had looked closer they might have even known them once. they never looked too closely though because they didn't want to know.

that i can forgive because we all know what its like when you are 18,19 20, but how come 5 or 10 years later when they were doctors and lawerys and teachers and civil servants they did nothing, even when Nell MC cafferty and them all were on the march (and fair play to them) how come no one marched on the Magdalene laundries.

my mother and her college pals love to remember the night they marched on and burned down the British embassy, its a pity they didn't target their rightous anger elsewhere when they were finished in merrion square.

having said that talk is cheap, this weekend ill be at home with my family enjoying the bank holiday. i have a niggling feeling that there might be a state sanctioned internment camp being operated from the old mosney complex in Meath. over the last few years every now again some pretty worrying stories emerge about what might be going on in there and there are loads of children there too. what am i doing about it, posting on a gaa discussion board.

[orangeman]

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/pope-sends-clear-strong-message-on-sex-abuse-1.1943306

Francis is making a stand.

[muppet]

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/pope-sends-clear-strong-message-on-sex-abuse-1.1943306

Francis is making a stand.

Significantly, the Holy See has already rescinded his diplomatic status, leaving the way open for his extradition to Poland and the Dominican Republic, should those countries opt to press paedophile charges.

Finally.

A good start.

[muppet]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30577368

Pope Francis has sharply criticised the Vatican bureaucracy in a pre-Christmas address to cardinals, complaining of "spiritual Alzheimer's" and "the terrorism of gossip".

He said the Curia - the administrative pinnacle of the Roman Catholic Church - was suffering from 15 "ailments", which he wanted cured in the New Year.

Pope Francis - the first Latin American pontiff - also criticised "those who look obsessively at their own image".

He has demanded reform of the Curia.

There was silence at the end of the Pope's speech.

Addressing the Curia on Monday, Pope Francis said some power-hungry clerics were guilty of "cold-bloodedly killing the reputation of their own colleagues and brothers".

He compared the performance of the church's civil servants to that of an orchestra playing "out of tune" because they fail to collaborate and have no team spirit.

Clearly Pope Francis is meeting opposition among the nearly 3,000 strong staff of the Italian-dominated Curia.

He had never worked in Rome before his election as pope last year, and - as a Vatican outsider from the other end of the world - is clearly frustrated by the slow-moving and creaking Vatican bureaucracy.

He is trying to reform it with the help of a new group of cardinal advisers he has called in from every continent to draw up a new Vatican constitution.

Before his election in March 2013, the pontiff encountered internal opposition to some of the reforms he wants to carry out.

He has set up a series of specialist bodies to fight corruption and poor management, appointing a team of advisers.

The Pope also launched a clean-up of the Vatican Bank, officially known as the Institute for the Works of Religion (IOR). The IOR has long had a poor reputation, after a succession of scandals.

Some of Curia's 15 'ailments':
Spiritual Alzheimer's
Feeling immortal or immune
Suffering from existential schizophrenia
Committing terrorism of gossip
Becoming spiritually and mentally hardened

Pope Francis has also suggested that the Curia's power - concentrated in Rome for centuries - could be diluted to some extent by giving Catholic bishops around the world a bigger say in Church doctrine.

The pontiff himself did not work in the Curia before he was elected.

[Applesisapples]

Goodman Fran!!

[deiseach]

There was silence at the end of the Pope's speech.

[Tony Baloney]

Liking the cut of Francie's jib. Unfortunately he is no spring chicken as he seems like the sort of Pope required to clear out the old guard.

[Gaffer]

He'd be well advised to employ his own cooks from here on.

[mylestheslasher]

Seems even the new pope agrees with many of us that the vatican is a corrupt little dump that all manner of evil has been buried. He'd better watch his back.