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There will be a strange battle of wits between the managers here. Both will probably not want to show to much of their hand, not this early in the year. Allot of people who were at the Tyrone/Mayo match were saying Tyrone were tactically getting ready for Donegal in the league and used this game. I don't think so (well not 100%).! Mickey Harte will have a go at beating Donegal, but if there is some tactic or formation that he has in mind, he will want to hold that in reserve for the Championship. And may sacrifice a loss of points in the League. An AI for Tyrone may be a small bit outta reach for Tyrone this year, but if Tyrone get over Donegal, then the Anglo celt cup is theirs. And that would mark a good season.

I think Jimmy McGuinness is very well tuned in to all that Mickey Harte will have up his sleeve. He has studied Mickey for years and copied a lot from him and other managers and coaches. Therefore I think both team will be all out to win, even though Jimmy has said otherwise to the media.

I can see this being a tight match and if Donegal have McFadden & Murphy playing then they'll be in with a good shout.

Murphy is in serious form just now. He's finally fully fit & injury free, and as a result is just about unmarkable. I cant think of a better forward in the country at the moment.

Quote from: From the Bunker on February 13, 2013, 06:37:11 PM
There will be a strange battle of wits between the managers here. Both will probably not want to show to much of their hand, not this early in the year. Allot of people who were at the Tyrone/Mayo match were saying Tyrone were tactically getting ready for Donegal in the league and used this game. I don't think so (well not 100%).! Mickey Harte will have a go at beating Donegal, but if there is some tactic or formation that he has in mind, he will want to hold that in reserve for the Championship. And may sacrifice a loss of points in the League. An AI for Tyrone may be a small bit outta reach for Tyrone this year, but if Tyrone get over Donegal, then the Anglo celt cup is theirs. And that would mark a good season.

it's an intriguing one alright... they may go flat out and try to test each other so that lessons can be learned and worked on for the championship game. don't think this is likely. it takes two to tango, so it might be that one side doesn't show up and wants to just sacrifice the game. and then i think the most likely is that both teams could not really turn up and it could be more like skirmishes to test the opposition's strengths and weaknesses than a full on battle itself. have a feeling both managers will not reveal too much. why would they? wouldn't make much sense. lose the league points if they have to is what i think they're thinking.

Harte doesn't know if his young guns will cut the mustard at county level. He'll play a best 15, going hell for leather, and find out if Kane, McBride, RON, Donnelly, McAliskey, McNeice, McCurry and McNamee are going to be good enough. McGuinness will play an experimental 15 (sort of) as it is in omagh he won't really need to win it. I'd say he'll be more interested in the Tyrone performance than Donegal's.

Quote from: trileacman on February 14, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
Harte doesn't know if his young guns will cut the mustard at county level. He'll play a best 15, going hell for leather, and find out if Kane, McBride, RON, Donnelly, McAliskey, McNeice, McCurry and McNamee are going to be good enough. McGuinness will play an experimental 15 (sort of) as it is in omagh he won't really need to win it. I'd say he'll be more interested in the Tyrone performance than Donegal's.

do you think harte needs to test his best against donegal? he's wily.

Quote from: cadence on February 14, 2013, 05:21:33 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on February 13, 2013, 06:37:11 PM
There will be a strange battle of wits between the managers here. Both will probably not want to show to much of their hand, not this early in the year. Allot of people who were at the Tyrone/Mayo match were saying Tyrone were tactically getting ready for Donegal in the league and used this game. I don't think so (well not 100%).! Mickey Harte will have a go at beating Donegal, but if there is some tactic or formation that he has in mind, he will want to hold that in reserve for the Championship. And may sacrifice a loss of points in the League. An AI for Tyrone may be a small bit outta reach for Tyrone this year, but if Tyrone get over Donegal, then the Anglo celt cup is theirs. And that would mark a good season.

it's an intriguing one alright... they may go flat out and try to test each other so that lessons can be learned and worked on for the championship game. don't think this is likely. it takes two to tango, so it might be that one side doesn't show up and wants to just sacrifice the game. and then i think the most likely is that both teams could not really turn up and it could be more like skirmishes to test the opposition's strengths and weaknesses than a full on battle itself. have a feeling both managers will not reveal too much. why would they? wouldn't make much sense. lose the league points if they have to is what i think they're thinking.

Donegal aren't going to have any suprises come summer so unless they start playing 6 forwards and going man for man they have nothing to reveal. Of the past 10 years I've seen of All-Ireland champions, not one has overhauled their player base of style of play in the year succeeding an AI win. Dublin/ Cork/ Kerry/ Tyrone all pretty much continued in the same vein.

Quote from: trileacman on February 14, 2013, 05:46:23 PM

Quote from: cadence on February 14, 2013, 05:21:33 PM

Quote from: From the Bunker on February 13, 2013, 06:37:11 PM
There will be a strange battle of wits between the managers here. Both will probably not want to show to much of their hand, not this early in the year. Allot of people who were at the Tyrone/Mayo match were saying Tyrone were tactically getting ready for Donegal in the league and used this game. I don't think so (well not 100%).! Mickey Harte will have a go at beating Donegal, but if there is some tactic or formation that he has in mind, he will want to hold that in reserve for the Championship. And may sacrifice a loss of points in the League. An AI for Tyrone may be a small bit outta reach for Tyrone this year, but if Tyrone get over Donegal, then the Anglo celt cup is theirs. And that would mark a good season.

it's an intriguing one alright... they may go flat out and try to test each other so that lessons can be learned and worked on for the championship game. don't think this is likely. it takes two to tango, so it might be that one side doesn't show up and wants to just sacrifice the game. and then i think the most likely is that both teams could not really turn up and it could be more like skirmishes to test the opposition's strengths and weaknesses than a full on battle itself. have a feeling both managers will not reveal too much. why would they? wouldn't make much sense. lose the league points if they have to is what i think they're thinking.

Donegal aren't going to have any suprises come summer so unless they start playing 6 forwards and going man for man they have nothing to reveal. Of the past 10 years I've seen of All-Ireland champions, not one has overhauled their player base of style of play in the year succeeding an AI win. Dublin/ Cork/ Kerry/ Tyrone all pretty much continued in the same vein.

i think you're right about that to a degree. donegal cut our cloth depending on what we faced last year, with the emphasis on being sound defensively and we offered variations on that theme all season (as emmet over on action 81 pointed out). i can see him trying to add something new tactically to our game as this is something he's always done. from what i saw of the kildare game, i thought he tried to get us to press the opposition higher up the pitch when they had the ball. didn't work that well as we got overrun at times, but that's not to say that when players get used to that and have better fitness to implement it that it wouldn't work. same but different i reckon.

Quote from: God14 on February 14, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Murphy is in serious form just now. He's finally fully fit & injury free, and as a result is just about unmarkable. I cant think of a better forward in the country at the moment.

What has he scored from play in the league so far?

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: God14 on February 14, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Murphy is in serious form just now. He's finally fully fit & injury free, and as a result is just about unmarkable. I cant think of a better forward in the country at the moment.

What has he scored from play in the league so far?

0-15 I think.

Only realised you asked about from play. Don't know the answer to that. I'd guess 0-07 or so.

Quote from: RMDrive on February 15, 2013, 10:03:54 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: God14 on February 14, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Murphy is in serious form just now. He's finally fully fit & injury free, and as a result is just about unmarkable. I cant think of a better forward in the country at the moment.

What has he scored from play in the league so far?

0-15 I think.

Only realised you asked about from play. Don't know the answer to that. I'd guess 0-07 or so.

One of the best about, but IMO a forward should be judged on what he scores from play.

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 10:16:54 AM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 15, 2013, 10:03:54 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: God14 on February 14, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Murphy is in serious form just now. He's finally fully fit & injury free, and as a result is just about unmarkable. I cant think of a better forward in the country at the moment.

What has he scored from play in the league so far?

0-15 I think.

Only realised you asked about from play. Don't know the answer to that. I'd guess 0-07 or so.

One of the best about, but IMO a forward should be judged on what he scores from play.

So winning frees, setting up scores for others etc is not important for a forward?
"Judging" a forward or any player is tough to do only with scoring stats.

Quote from: RMDrive on February 15, 2013, 11:44:54 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 10:16:54 AM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 15, 2013, 10:03:54 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: God14 on February 14, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Murphy is in serious form just now. He's finally fully fit & injury free, and as a result is just about unmarkable. I cant think of a better forward in the country at the moment.

What has he scored from play in the league so far?

0-15 I think.

Only realised you asked about from play. Don't know the answer to that. I'd guess 0-07 or so.

One of the best about, but IMO a forward should be judged on what he scores from play.

So winning frees, setting up scores for others etc is not important for a forward?
"Judging" a forward or any player is tough to do only with scoring stats.

Of course the other attributes are important, but the unit of currency that a full forward is measured on is his scoring return.  If he is close to unmarkable as you have said, surely you would expect a more healthy scoring return than 5 points from play.

blind alley lads...

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 01:19:02 PM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 15, 2013, 11:44:54 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 10:16:54 AM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 15, 2013, 10:03:54 AM

Quote from: nrico2006 on February 15, 2013, 08:13:29 AM

Quote from: God14 on February 14, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
Murphy is in serious form just now. He's finally fully fit & injury free, and as a result is just about unmarkable. I cant think of a better forward in the country at the moment.

What has he scored from play in the league so far?

0-15 I think.

Only realised you asked about from play. Don't know the answer to that. I'd guess 0-07 or so.

One of the best about, but IMO a forward should be judged on what he scores from play.

So winning frees, setting up scores for others etc is not important for a forward?
"Judging" a forward or any player is tough to do only with scoring stats.

Of course the other attributes are important, but the unit of currency that a full forward is measured on is his scoring return.  If he is close to unmarkable as you have said, surely you would expect a more healthy scoring return than 5 points from play.

I didn't say that.

Michael's contribution to the Donegal team is healthy from my perspective and I reckon most Donegal people feel the same.

Nrico makes a valid point. Was O'connor the top forward in ireland last year because he was amongst the top point scorers? Cluxton scores regularly for dublin, that doesn't make him a good forward. Judging players on their scoring average or totals is completely flawed.

Sounds like Donegal are getting back to full complement and the two week break will have given them time to catch up a bit with the others I'd say.

I read McGlynn & McGrath should be available and I'd say Murphy will be biting at the bit having lost out on a Sigerson.
I disagree with some on here and I think both managers will be going all out to win this game, even if McGuinness says otherwise.
(http://s0.jrnl.ie/media/2012/06/Tyrone-Donegal-action-390x285.jpg)
I see Joe McMahon got man of the match for Ulster v Leinster. Kernan played Harte and wing back which is interesting.

I hope we don't get a repeat of other decades where back in the 90's it was always loads of Tyrone v Derry games. Then in the 00's it was always loads of Armagh games.
We've already met Donegal twice in the last 2 years in the semi final and now this year in the 1st round. On current form you'd expect these two teams to be fighting for the rights of Ulster for the next number of years but as we know football doesn't always go to what you expect.

Is Ross Wherity the main new face in the Donegal team? Who else should be looking out for?

Wherrity has done all right. Ryan McHugh (younger brother of Mark) started against Down and did a decent enough job on Laverty. I wouldn't expect much unforced change to the team from last years championship.

Quote from: Fuzzman on February 25, 2013, 02:12:37 PM
Sounds like Donegal are getting back to full complement and the two week break will have given them time to catch up a bit with the others I'd say.

I read McGlynn & McGrath should be available and I'd say Murphy will be biting at the bit having lost out on a Sigerson.
I disagree with some on here and I think both managers will be going all out to win this game, even if McGuinness says otherwise.
(http://s0.jrnl.ie/media/2012/06/Tyrone-Donegal-action-390x285.jpg)
I see Joe McMahon got man of the match for Ulster v Leinster. Kernan played Harte and wing back which is interesting.

I hope we don't get a repeat of other decades where back in the 90's it was always loads of Tyrone v Derry games. Then in the 00's it was always loads of Armagh games.
We've already met Donegal twice in the last 2 years in the semi final and now this year in the 1st round. On current form you'd expect these two teams to be fighting for the rights of Ulster for the next number of years but as we know football doesn't always go to what you expect.

Is Ross Wherity the main new face in the Donegal team? Who else should be looking out for?

Why do you hope that? Personally think big rivalrys like that are good for the game. If Tyrone can up to the level of Donegal it would be great to have 2 of the best teams in Ireland in Ulster and would hopefully push some of the others along. I'm sure both teams will set out to win this weekend. Don't think they'll be revealing too much about their championship line up or tactics but will still be going all out to win. Should be a big crowd - glad its during the day on a Sunday.

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
Wherrity has done all right. Ryan McHugh (younger brother of Mark) started against Down and did a decent enough job on Laverty. I wouldn't expect much unforced change to the team from last years championship.

good opportunity to develop less experienced players with tyrone. 2-3 new squad players pushing for places giving more options from the bench would do us no harm.

Quote from: cadence on February 25, 2013, 08:13:28 PM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
Wherrity has done all right. Ryan McHugh (younger brother of Mark) started against Down and did a decent enough job on Laverty. I wouldn't expect much unforced change to the team from last years championship.

good opportunity to develop less experienced players with tyrone. 2-3 new squad players pushing for places giving more options from the bench would do us no harm.

Aye, I think we'll continue to see some new faces in the leagues games. When I say I don't expect change, I mean for championship.

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 09:11:44 PM

Quote from: cadence on February 25, 2013, 08:13:28 PM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
Wherrity has done all right. Ryan McHugh (younger brother of Mark) started against Down and did a decent enough job on Laverty. I wouldn't expect much unforced change to the team from last years championship.

good opportunity to develop less experienced players with tyrone. 2-3 new squad players pushing for places giving more options from the bench would do us no harm.

Aye, I think we'll continue to see some new faces in the leagues games. When I say I don't expect change, I mean for championship.

slightly off topic... don't know much about wherrity... what's his best position? can he do a job in the middle third?

Quote from: cadence on February 25, 2013, 11:55:46 PM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 09:11:44 PM

Quote from: cadence on February 25, 2013, 08:13:28 PM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
Wherrity has done all right. Ryan McHugh (younger brother of Mark) started against Down and did a decent enough job on Laverty. I wouldn't expect much unforced change to the team from last years championship.

good opportunity to develop less experienced players with tyrone. 2-3 new squad players pushing for places giving more options from the bench would do us no harm.

Aye, I think we'll continue to see some new faces in the leagues games. When I say I don't expect change, I mean for championship.

slightly off topic... don't know much about wherrity... what's his best position? can he do a job in the middle third?

Not sure TBH. He needs to bulk up a bit and I reckon he would favour playing in the forwards.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 25, 2013, 08:07:22 PM
Why do you hope that? Personally think big rivalrys like that are good for the game. If Tyrone can up to the level of Donegal it would be great to have 2 of the best teams in Ireland in Ulster and would hopefully push some of the others along. I'm sure both teams will set out to win this weekend. Don't think they'll be revealing too much about their championship line up or tactics but will still be going all out to win. Should be a big crowd - glad its during the day on a Sunday.

I suppose I meant my heart couldn't take another 10 years of slogging it out with another derby each year that could become spiteful. The wife and now my daughter (she's only 4) are Donegal fans.
Of course it would be good for competition and thus performances for both teams. I suppose Armagh & Tyrone motivated each other on a lot. Many Armagh fans would say 2005 was their best ever year as would a lot of us Tyronites.

So Cadence & RMDrive are ye expecting a defeat on Sunday or a win with "some new faces"?

This probably means more to Tyrone than to Donegal. We all know Donegal in May under Jimmy is a different baste than Donegal in frost. Tyrone under Mickey don't really do peaking. They like to show their hand from the first game in the McKenna almost.

When was the last time we beat them?

Quote from: ONeill on February 26, 2013, 10:55:10 PM
This probably means more to Tyrone than to Donegal. We all know Donegal in May under Jimmy is a different baste than Donegal in frost. Tyrone under Mickey don't really do peaking. They like to show their hand from the first game in the McKenna almost.

When was the last time we beat them?

The last time was the first match after Michaela's tragic passing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9371167.stm

...and in the league back in 2008:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7321520.stm

Interestingly both these were played in Edendork. Get the hoses out and flood Healy, we're heading East.

Quote from: Fuzzman on February 26, 2013, 01:55:04 PM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 25, 2013, 08:07:22 PM
Why do you hope that? Personally think big rivalrys like that are good for the game. If Tyrone can up to the level of Donegal it would be great to have 2 of the best teams in Ireland in Ulster and would hopefully push some of the others along. I'm sure both teams will set out to win this weekend. Don't think they'll be revealing too much about their championship line up or tactics but will still be going all out to win. Should be a big crowd - glad its during the day on a Sunday.

I suppose I meant my heart couldn't take another 10 years of slogging it out with another derby each year that could become spiteful. The wife and now my daughter (she's only 4) are Donegal fans.

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Quote from: RMDrive on February 26, 2013, 07:35:40 AM

Quote from: cadence on February 25, 2013, 11:55:46 PM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 09:11:44 PM

Quote from: cadence on February 25, 2013, 08:13:28 PM

Quote from: RMDrive on February 25, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
Wherrity has done all right. Ryan McHugh (younger brother of Mark) started against Down and did a decent enough job on Laverty. I wouldn't expect much unforced change to the team from last years championship.

good opportunity to develop less experienced players with tyrone. 2-3 new squad players pushing for places giving more options from the bench would do us no harm.

Aye, I think we'll continue to see some new faces in the leagues games. When I say I don't expect change, I mean for championship.

slightly off topic... don't know much about wherrity... what's his best position? can he do a job in the middle third?

Not sure TBH. He needs to bulk up a bit and I reckon he would favour playing in the forwards.

forward eh... hopefully he'll bring something that can add to what we're about tactically up front. we all know how good murphy is at full forward, but he's lethal out the field too. if we had someone else to play alongside mcfadden that would be great.

Just read that report Omagh Gael from the match in Edendork.
Did someone say Aidan Cassidy is back into the squad a while back?
It would be nice if he could stay fit for a few months and get a good run of games.
I was down in Longford a few years ago where he showed what he was capable of.

Any more news on Coney as well?

I see there is some talk of Mugsy coming back into the fold here.
http://www.setanta.com/ien/Articles/2013/02/26/Owen-back-training-with-Tyrone/gnid-158988/ (http://www.setanta.com/ien/Articles/2013/02/26/Owen-back-training-with-Tyrone/gnid-158988/)

Coney back in training fuzz. Would be very suprised to see him make an appearance on Sunday though, probably a bit too soon. Conan Grugan not far away either, although it'd probably make sense for him to focus on the U21s in 3 weeks time. Colm Cavanagh also back. Id guess he's probably the one most likely to play a part due to the nature of his injury (wrist / hand)
Mugsy isnt on the panel as yet, he was only helping out / making up the numbers for a 15 a side inhouse game last thursday night. Be interesting to see how that pans out.
Not so sure what the story is with Aidan Cassidy. Thursday night team news might make the picture a bit clearer...

Mugsy and Harte have both denied that.

Have both denied that he played in a challenge match or that he's not coming back?


Found this wee article from Irish Indo today by Liam Kelly – 27 February 2013

ALL-IRELAND champions Donegal are set for a torrid time when they face Tyrone in the Allianz National Football League in Omagh on Sunday.

That's the promise of Tyrone star Sean Cavanagh as he looks forward to a mouth-watering contest that is sure to draw the crowds to Healy Park.

Cavanagh smiled wryly as he recalled the era when his county were top dogs and they had the chasing pack endeavouring to bring them to heel.

But those days are gone and now it's Donegal strutting their stuff and proudly carrying the mantle of champions.

"It's challenging because it is different. Over the last number of years and for most of my inter-county career, teams have been trying to catch us. It's a completely different scenario now.

"It probably is a bit more challenging trying to catch up with another team and trying to pit yourself against the best because we have to recognise we haven't been in the best five or six teams in Ireland in the last few years.

"But I know from looking at some of the guys we have coming through and with some of the guys we have back from injury that we have a really good squad, so it's just a matter of trying to play to the best of our abilities.

"We're reasonably confident we'll be able to cope well with the best of them, but it starts next Sunday."

Changed times, indeed, but the visit of Donegal is just the fillip Mickey Harte's men need as they resume their leage campaign.

Cavanagh promised that the champions will get respect, but he hopes they return to Tir Conaill with precious little else from the game.

"We've been on the other side a few times with teams trying to knock us off the perch, so we know what it's like," he said.

This is an ideal opportunity for unbeaten Tyrone to lay down a marker in advance of the high-stakes Ulster championship showdown on May 26.

The respective managers may play down the significance of a league meeting, but as Cavanagh pointed out, the winning and losing of these matches in the spring can provide a base for future achievement.

"A couple of years ago they came up to Healy Park and they beat us well and that was the start of the Donegal momentum under Jim McGuinness," recalled Cavanagh.

televised??

YES - TG4 2pm

Where did you hear that God14?

On the TG4 website it just says live football but doesn't say what match?
http://www.tg4.ie/en/live-sport.html (http://www.tg4.ie/en/live-sport.html)

Fuzzman, premiersport ALWAYS show the same game as TG4 do on a Sunday, they just use change the commentary.
As they are a PPV service they always publish their games before TG4 but you can rest assured its the same schedule

http://www.premiersports.tv/

Quote from: Fuzzman on February 27, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
Where did you hear that God14?

On the TG4 website it just says live football but doesn't say what match?
http://www.tg4.ie/en/live-sport.html (http://www.tg4.ie/en/live-sport.html)

My Sky+ app says it's on TG4.

Quote from: Fuzzman on February 27, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
Have both denied that he played in a challenge match or that he's not coming back?

Neither.

Mugsey confirmed that he played in an in house game but that is is not back in the squad.....yet.

I would guess he will be back next week after Donegal game.

Personally I hope he does come back as I think he still has plenty to offer as a squad member.

Quote from: Fuzzman on February 27, 2013, 10:23:39 AM


I see there is some talk of Mugsy coming back into the fold here.
http://www.setanta.com/ien/Articles/2013/02/26/Owen-back-training-with-Tyrone/gnid-158988/ (http://www.setanta.com/ien/Articles/2013/02/26/Owen-back-training-with-Tyrone/gnid-158988/)

Most interesting part of that piece is the revelation that Mickey might be including himself in the squad for Sunday ;D

Anyone wanna have a stab at who Mickey will pick tonight?

I'll go for the team on the left with those on the right possible replacements

My team      Could come in
Packie    ...   Despite Morgan's scoring exploits
McCrory    ... Is he her best man marker now
Justy      ..... C.Clarke
C.Gormley   .Cathal McCarron
McKenna      Carlin (is he fit?)
Joey
McNamee      McBride
Sean Cav      Cassidy
P Kane      ... C.Clarke
Mat Donnelly   McNeice
Peter Harte   Colm Cav
Penrose    .... J.Lafferty
Mark Donnelly    McCurry
Stevie      ....... Coney
Ronan O'Neill   McAliskey

Have I left out anyone?

Quote from: Fuzzman on February 28, 2013, 03:14:30 PM
Anyone wanna have a stab at who Mickey will pick tonight?

I'll go for the team on the left with those on the right possible replacements

My team      Could come in
Packie    ...   Despite Morgan's scoring exploits
McCrory    ... Is he her best man marker now
Justy      ..... C.Clarke
C.Gormley   .Cathal McCarron
McKenna      Carlin (is he fit?)
Joey
McNamee      McBride
Sean Cav      Cassidy
P Kane      ... C.Clarke
Mat Donnelly   McNeice
Peter Harte   Colm Cav
Penrose    .... J.Lafferty
Mark Donnelly    McCurry
Stevie      ....... Coney
Ronan O'Neill   McAliskey

Have I left out anyone?

You wouldn't start Mc Aliskey, without doubt one of Tyrones best forward players since the season began?

I would but as I said I think this is who Mickey will pick.
He's been pushing Ronan in nearly every game a little more and more as I think he wants him ready for championship time

I'd imagine McAliskey is a cert to start this game. A game against Donegal will show Mickey if he is up for the Championship clash, the signs look good so far.

I've given up trying to predict Mickeys teams! ..read an article somewhere recently - it may have been Brian McGuigans column in Gaelic Life. Himself, Gavin Devlin & Jim Curran used to travel to training together. Approaching each game they'd each pick a team of who they think is going to start. They'd end up picking 3 different teams, and then Mickey would choose a completely different team!

I actually think who's listed / not listed on the subs bench might provoke a bit more thought than the starting 15 tonight. Assuming they dont name the first 11 subs in alphabetical order. Hoping to see Coney, Colm Cavanagh & Aidan Cassidy in there.

Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
I'd imagine McAliskey is a cert to start this game. A game against Donegal will show Mickey if he is up for the Championship clash, the signs look good so far.

+1 McAliskey has been superb to date. Its been a while since a rookie forward came into the Tyrone set up & made such an immediate impact. Merits an extended run in the team. He'll be a far better player in 12 - 18 months for it.

1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
8 Michael Murphy An Gallbhaile
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
13 Conor McAlliskey Cluain Eo
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór

There's 5 players on that team who at this stage I wouldn't be convinced of starting in the championship. So it will be interesting to see how they get on here. Murphy and McNiece have had there fair share of chances without ever really convincing. Big game for both on Sunday. Very strong bench:

16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
18 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
19 Kyle Coney Árd Bó
20 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
21 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
22 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
23 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
24 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
25 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
26 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór

Fancy Donegal to win this, the 3 week break will have the Jimmy machine cranking it up a notch I think. Looking at the Tyrone team has me even more convinced.

You look at the Tyrone forwards and wonder where the scores are coming from, especially if O'Neill is held - even at that he's hardly prolific now. The others are good for 0-1/0-2. Mickey knows best but there are four scoring forwards on the bench.

Hope Mark Donnelly continues his good form doing his box-to-box thang.

Quote from: God14 on February 28, 2013, 04:53:08 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
I'd imagine McAliskey is a cert to start this game. A game against Donegal will show Mickey if he is up for the Championship clash, the signs look good so far.

+1 McAliskey has been superb to date. Its been a while since a rookie forward came into the Tyrone set up & made such an immediate impact. Merits an extended run in the team. He'll be a far better player in 12 - 18 months for it.

McAlsikey had a couple of dodgy performances in the McKenna Cup but has continued to improve from the start of the season. Though he hasn't looked like putting up a big score despite being there as a scoring forward. He still has a long way to go before being ready to start in the championship. Whether he can make up the ground this year remains to be seen but I'd be hopeful in the coming years.

Quote from: yellowcard on February 28, 2013, 08:34:41 PM
Fancy Donegal to win this, the 3 week break will have the Jimmy machine cranking it up a notch I think. Looking at the Tyrone team has me even more convinced.

Although I think Donegal will start closer to their championship team than Tyrone I don't see there being much between the teams on Sunday. Will be a close game and could go either way.

Quote from: ONeill on February 28, 2013, 08:45:41 PM
You look at the Tyrone forwards and wonder where the scores are coming from, especially if O'Neill is held - even at that he's hardly prolific now. The others are good for 0-1/0-2. Mickey knows best but there are four scoring forwards on the bench.

Hope Mark Donnelly continues his good form doing his box-to-box thang.

I might be wrong here but I doubt if there are many games where Pete Harte offers as little as 0-1/0-2 this season.

Well, he didn't score against Donegal last year.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 28, 2013, 08:53:09 PM

Quote from: God14 on February 28, 2013, 04:53:08 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
I'd imagine McAliskey is a cert to start this game. A game against Donegal will show Mickey if he is up for the Championship clash, the signs look good so far.

+1 McAliskey has been superb to date. Its been a while since a rookie forward came into the Tyrone set up & made such an immediate impact. Merits an extended run in the team. He'll be a far better player in 12 - 18 months for it.

McAlsikey had a couple of dodgy performances in the McKenna Cup but has continued to improve from the start of the season. Though he hasn't looked like putting up a big score despite being there as a scoring forward. He still has a long way to go before being ready to start in the championship. Whether he can make up the ground this year remains to be seen but I'd be hopeful in the coming years.

Quite the opposite I thought. McAliskey has looked like netting 2-3 goals in a couple of games.

Tír Eoghain (with apologies to ONeill -- on the previous page for some of us  ;)):

1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Clarke An Omaigh
4 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
8 Michael Murphy An Gallbhaile
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
13 Conor McAlliskey Cluain Eo
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór

16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
18 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
19 Kyle Coney Árd Bó
20 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
21 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
22 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
23 Darren McCurry Éadan na dTorc
24 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
25 Ronan O'Neill An Omaigh
26 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór

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Quote from: God14 on February 28, 2013, 04:53:08 PM

Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
I'd imagine McAliskey is a cert to start this game. A game against Donegal will show Mickey if he is up for the Championship clash, the signs look good so far.

+1 McAliskey has been superb to date. Its been a while since a rookie forward came into the Tyrone set up & made such an immediate impact. Merits an extended run in the team. He'll be a far better player in 12 - 18 months for it.

McAlsikey had a couple of dodgy performances in the McKenna Cup but has continued to improve from the start of the season. Though he hasn't looked like putting up a big score despite being there as a scoring forward. He still has a long way to go before being ready to start in the championship. Whether he can make up the ground this year remains to be seen but I'd be hopeful in the coming years.

Quite the opposite I thought. McAliskey has looked like netting 2-3 goals in a couple of games.

He has looked dangerous and capable of getting scores. But in the 2 league games he's only scored 3 points from play. In the McKenna Cup he got a goal against Derry and maybe got a couple of points in a few other matches (might have got 3 or 4 in one possibly the final). I thought he was poor in a couple of the games - v Antrim and UUJ. But he has improved since and is certainly an option. He did look decent for Ulster coming on in the semi final too. Will be interesting to see how the next month goes for him.

Where does Ciaran McGinley play? Is he any good?

Am glad McAliskey has got another chance as I think he's a big strong lad well able to win his own ball and is one new lad who seems to have taken his chance well. I'd say he'll improve with the more games he gets. He could be well marked this weekend though or soon learn you don't get much time on the ball v Donegal.

I'm probably being harsh but to me Petey and Matt Donnelly have underperformed now for a good few matches. You know they've got the talent but they seem to struggle and only show glimpses of what they're capable of.

I just hope that we don't end up with somebody getting another long term injury. I think if we've any chance of going far this year we need big Sean & the McMahons to stay fit for the whole year.

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 01, 2013, 09:45:12 AM
Where does Ciaran McGinley play? Is he any good?

Normally at No.10. Looked good when I saw him play sigerson for UUJ last year. Am told he had a very good year with Errigal as well. Big step up at this level though. Got injured at the worst possible time. Unlikely to see much game time from here on in, as Harte tends to turn to the tried & tested as the matches get bigger & the year progresses.

I'd agree with that alright God14 although I'm surprised he's giving Murphy another shot at MF.
Has Colm and Sean ever played MF together?

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 01, 2013, 09:45:12 AM
Where does Ciaran McGinley play? Is he any good?

Am glad McAliskey has got another chance as I think he's a big strong lad well able to win his own ball and is one new lad who seems to have taken his chance well. I'd say he'll improve with the more games he gets. He could be well marked this weekend though or soon learn you don't get much time on the ball v Donegal.

I'm probably being harsh but to me Petey and Matt Donnelly have underperformed now for a good few matches. You know they've got the talent but they seem to struggle and only show glimpses of what they're capable of.

I just hope that we don't end up with somebody getting another long term injury. I think if we've any chance of going far this year we need big Sean & the McMahons to stay fit for the whole year.

Mattie Donnelly hasn't really shone, doesn't score enough.  Peter Harte had a brilliant league and Inter-provinical campaign at the start of last year, but it doesn't seem to be happening for him in the big games.  He has talent and speed to burn, but it seems that nobody is sure where to play him.  IMO, wing half forward is not the place for someone like Harte as he is a player you want on the ball as much as possible.  Haven't seen much of McAliskey or McCurry, are they similar players and who would look the better prospect?  I would give Johnny Lafferty a run out at wing forward for a few games as he is unusual in that he is big yet athletic and quick, can win his own ball and create openings as well as take a score.  Hopefully Coney and O'Neill don't take too long to get back to their best.  Strange to see Justin McMahon in corner back, wouldn't have though that number 2 or 4 would suit a man of his size, and in a way he is wasted in there.  Obviously I would want him to get a run in the midfield, as would most, but Mickey Harte must have reservations for whatever reason as he doesn't seem to be keen to put him there.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Conan Grugan make a big impact if he gets a chance around the middle at some stage during the league.

Id imagine that Harte has deployed both Justy McMahon & Conor Clarke in the full back line to combat the aerial presence of Michael Murphy & Colm McFadden (who is available again)

I'd be worried for how well Clarke & Justy can handle those two though I suppose there will be at least 3 sweepers.  ;D

Quote from: God14 on March 01, 2013, 11:24:22 AM
Id imagine that Harte has deployed both Justy McMahon & Conor Clarke in the full back line to combat the aerial presence of Michael Murphy & Colm McFadden (who is available again)

Bingo, Harte playing horses for courses again. Like the look of that team, fills me with apprehension alright but a least Harte is winging it on the new players, if it works out it could be golden. Donnelly, McAliskey, McKenna, McNamee, Murphy and R. O'Neill are all fresh blood and could be around for years to come.
The alternative is to fall back on Colm, the McMahons, Penrose, McCarron and McConnell. I wouldn't mind sacrificing a few league or McKenna cup matches if it meant we developed a team that could really challenge for Sam in the coming years.

First post from a newbie so be gentle with me ;D ;D ;D

Really looking forward to this one with Donegal playing with a full deck bar Karl Lacey.  What is evident from the first two games is that Donegal have a number of key players who need to be firing for success. The dip in finishing options when McFadden went off against Kildare was worrying & young McBrearty seems not to be advancing in the way I would like to see a young player advance.
As against that the lift Neil Gallagher gave Donegal in the middle was huge when he came on against Down.

If Donegal get all the key players firing I would fancy them but any shortcomings will be ruthlessly punished by a fit, hungry & talented Tyrone team who have all sorts of options on the bench.

Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 01, 2013, 04:12:31 PM
First post from a newbie so be gentle with me ;D ;D ;D

Really looking forward to this one with Donegal playing with a full deck bar Karl Lacey.  What is evident from the first two games is that Donegal have a number of key players who need to be firing for success. The dip in finishing options when McFadden went off against Kildare was worrying & young McBrearty seems not to be advancing in the way I would like to see a young player advance.
As against that the lift Neil Gallagher gave Donegal in the middle was huge when he came on against Down.

If Donegal get all the key players firing I would fancy them but any shortcomings will be ruthlessly punished by a fit, hungry & talented Tyrone team who have all sorts of options on the bench.

Be gentle after describing Mc Brearty like that ?.

He has all the talent in the world but needs more end product.
I was at the Down match in Ballybofey & he couldn't get to the pace of the game at all & was taken off early in the second half.
David Walsh is a ready made replacement but I would like to see Patrick really nail his place in the starting line up with a big game on Sunday.

Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 01, 2013, 04:22:03 PM
He has all the talent in the world but needs more end product.
I was at the Down match in Ballybofey & he couldn't get to the pace of the game at all & was taken off early in the second half.
David Walsh is a ready made replacement but I would like to see Patrick really nail his place in the starting line up with a big game on Sunday.

Donegal have some side if he's not sure of his place.

To be honest Mattie Donnelly has looked his most effective at FF.

Quote from: BluestackBoy on March 01, 2013, 04:22:03 PM
He has all the talent in the world but needs more end product.
I was at the Down match in Ballybofey & he couldn't get to the pace of the game at all & was taken off early in the second half.
David Walsh is a ready made replacement but I would like to see Patrick really nail his place in the starting line up with a big game on Sunday.

kind of agree with you about mcbrearty and not at the same time. takes time to develop into the finished article. he's buckets of talent, but for me, he just tries to force it a wee bit at times. he's only trying his best and is pushing what he can do at times, so you can't fault him for ambition, just over ambition. i wouldn't say he's unwise in taking the shots he does, because that's for him to learn how to make those decisions, and i wouldn't want him to change his game at all, because you'd only be getting him to go against his instincts, which is attacking and going hard for his scores. he grafts really hard for the team too. just needs to calm down maybe. maybe think about playing others in a wee bit and that might give him more wriggle room to shoot if defenders are thinking about more than just closing him down. for me he is well worth his place... but very healthy still to have his place contested by others working hard putting their hands up for what they can offer the team.

don 0-1

tyr 0-1

4-2 to Tyrone. Very scrappy and defensive

if this was a club game in Tyrone there would be 2 or 3 off by now! Everythng is a yellow card!!

penalty to donegal

saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident. 

You sure gallagher was booked? Dunno what murphy was thinking from that rebound.

Neilly gallagher did right landing that goalie on his arse with the in your face crap he was doing from saving the penalty.

Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident.

Wad he not red carded for the tackle after the save ?

The p***k of a Tyrone keeper should have been booked too. First throws the ball into the back of Wherity's head after the penalty award, then runs after Murphy goading him when he missed.

Up against it now, but even before Murphy was sent off, Tyrone looked a bit sharper, fitter and more up for it.

Murphy unlucky. Got sent off when it should have been no. 8 that walked.  Should be a lively 2nd half!!

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Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident.

Wad he not red carded for the tackle after the save ?

Second yellow for that. Stupid "tackle"!

The Tyrone keeper deserved a slap for his antics, hate to see that behaviour on the pitch.

Quote from: Minder on March 03, 2013, 02:39:25 PM

Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident.

Wad he not red carded for the tackle after the save ?

dunno i'm relying on highland radio commentary!

Gallagher threw keeper to ground. Not a red. Murphy second yellow for the tackle which was nearly a red in itself. Dunno what he was at.

Jarlath has Morgan as man of the match before half time whistle.

Not so much in your face as over his shoulder. Wasn't quite in the screaming in his face position. I'd say goalies don't often get to do that. Not condoning it by the way.

Murphy will be a huge loss. He is a superb player.

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Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident.

Wad he not red carded for the tackle after the save ?

dunno i'm relying on highland radio commentary!

Murphy slid in after the ball, completely missed it, and cleaned a Tyrone defender out of it. Definite yellow.

They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

let's see if mcguinness can devise a game plan to win this one. + time for mcfadgjin to get more into the game.   

Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:47:36 PM
let's see if mcguinness can devise a game plan to win this one. + time for mcfadgjin to get more into the game.

McFadden looks rusty. Tyrone look a wee bit sharper today. McGuinness would be doing very, very well to pull off a win here.

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Quote from: Minder on March 03, 2013, 02:39:25 PM

Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident.

Wad he not red carded for the tackle after the save ?

dunno i'm relying on highland radio commentary!

Murphy slid in after the ball, completely missed it, and cleaned a Tyrone defender out of it. Definite yellow.

ah well, let's see how the other lads do now then without him. going to be a big ask to come out with anything from this game. highland radio are slagging off this ref. is he that bad or is it a bit of donegal bias?

Penalty should have been retaken, look how far off his line Morgan was before Murphy kicked the ball. Have yet to see a ref do this in a game.

Quote from: All of a Sludden on March 03, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

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Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2013, 02:44:08 PM

Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:41:48 PM

Quote from: Minder on March 03, 2013, 02:39:25 PM

Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident.

Wad he not red carded for the tackle after the save ?

dunno i'm relying on highland radio commentary!

Murphy slid in after the ball, completely missed it, and cleaned a Tyrone defender out of it. Definite yellow.

ah well, let's see how the other lads do now then without him. going to be a big ask to come out with anything from this game. highland radio are slagging off this ref. is he that bad or is it a bit of donegal bias?

One or two strange decisions from our point of view, but maybe Tyrone boys will say the same.

Absolutely awesome save, as good as you'll see from a penalty. His antics after were disappointing and unnecessary. Dont understand the outrage at Murphy. Was a second yellow, no more, no less.

Donegal are in serious trouble for this 2nd half as Murphy was the only forward that was ticking. Their half forward line has been entirely non-existent. 

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Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:50:38 PM

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Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:41:48 PM

Quote from: Minder on March 03, 2013, 02:39:25 PM

Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
saved! missed by murphy and murphy gets involved in some afters and gets shown the line. neil gallagher booked as well in the same incident.

Wad he not red carded for the tackle after the save ?

dunno i'm relying on highland radio commentary!

Murphy slid in after the ball, completely missed it, and cleaned a Tyrone defender out of it. Definite yellow.

ah well, let's see how the other lads do now then without him. going to be a big ask to come out with anything from this game. highland radio are slagging off this ref. is he that bad or is it a bit of donegal bias?

One or two strange decisions from our point of view, but maybe Tyrone boys will say the same.

fair enough.

that's more like it.

big score for tyrone.

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Quote from: All of a Sludden on March 03, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

surprisingly the usually vocal Tyronies have been very quiet on this one, though it probably deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mickey-harte-under-fire-over-reference-for-sex-attacker-who-assaulted-woman-29079197.html

A rout.

Quote from: All of a Sludden on March 03, 2013, 03:02:33 PM

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Quote from: All of a Sludden on March 03, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

surprisingly the usually vocal Tyronies have been very quiet on this one, though it probably deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mickey-harte-under-fire-over-reference-for-sex-attacker-who-assaulted-woman-29079197.html

i see. interesting.

Quote from: imtommygunn on March 03, 2013, 03:09:12 PM
A rout.

looking like it.

Should have been another penalty for Donegal there.

Agreed

If Michael Murphy was to get injured/suspended for the championship then I could see this Donegal outfit barely featuring. Opposing teams will just have to attend to Colm McFadden resulting in a severe lack of scoring threat.

Quote from: RandyDupree on March 03, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
If Michael Murphy was to get injured/suspended for the championship then I could see this Donegal outfit barely featuring. Opposing teams will just have to attend to Colm McFadden resulting in a severe lack of scoring threat.

FFS, people were giving out about Murphy's lack of scoring all last year!!

Which is not to say he wouldn't be a very difficult loss to contend with and we'd be unlikely to win it all without him, as would the likes of Bernard Brogan and Colm Cooper for their respective teams.

Depressingly cynical at times! Why dont they take the bull by the horns and start sending players off for this oul wrestling shite! Seems to be no deterent for it. Spoiling the game as the potential is not being fulfilled

ross wherrity! fairfuckstohim.

well done to tyrone.

Deserved win for Tyrone. Good keeper/free taker (his antics around the penalty notwithstanding!). Plenty to work on for ourselves, in particular the fitness necessary for our game plan, but there's plenty of time left till May. Will need Lacey back and fit, that's for certain.

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Quote from: All of a Sludden on March 03, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

surprisingly the usually vocal Tyronies have been very quiet on this one, though it probably deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mickey-harte-under-fire-over-reference-for-sex-attacker-who-assaulted-woman-29079197.html

i see. interesting.

I think it is disgusting, though it seems you arent allowed to mention any negative about Saint Mickey on this particular board. Thankfully other discussion boards arent as biased.

Not really the thread to discuss it on here, nor to make crass jokes about it.

positives for us... wherrity is popping up and taking his scores and is a viable alternative to mcbrearty. ryan mchugh is really finding his feet too from what i can gather, so we're not doing too badly. we kept going too even though it looked like we'd get a hiding. it's also a good thing psychologically to get beat today and to have a grievance or two to set straight. fire in the belly.

cons- mentioning no names, 1 or 2 of the more established players have maybe lost a wee bit of form. 

Quote from: Rois on March 03, 2013, 03:45:52 PM
Not really the thread to discuss it on here, nor to make crass jokes about it.

I am sure the rape victim and her family will see the funny side of Mickeys glowing reference.

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Quote from: cadence on March 03, 2013, 02:52:22 PM

Quote from: All of a Sludden on March 03, 2013, 02:46:18 PM
They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

surprisingly the usually vocal Tyronies have been very quiet on this one, though it probably deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mickey-harte-under-fire-over-reference-for-sex-attacker-who-assaulted-woman-29079197.html

i see. interesting.

I think it is disgusting, though it seems you arent allowed to mention any negative about Saint Mickey on this particular board. Thankfully other discussion boards arent as biased.

That is wile unfair, I doubt a one of the Tyrone heads on here think that Harte did the right thing here, now coming out and saying he was wrong would sit too well with some of them!

A bad decision from Mr Harte, a very bad decision but sure I have made a ton of them myself so I can't talk!

Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

Quote from: EC Unique on March 03, 2013, 04:26:21 PM
Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

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They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

surprisingly the usually vocal Tyronies have been very quiet on this one, though it probably deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mickey-harte-under-fire-over-reference-for-sex-attacker-who-assaulted-woman-29079197.html

i see. interesting.

I think it is disgusting, though it seems you arent allowed to mention any negative about Saint Mickey on this particular board. Thankfully other discussion boards arent as biased.

Bad form from Harte

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They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

surprisingly the usually vocal Tyronies have been very quiet on this one, though it probably deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mickey-harte-under-fire-over-reference-for-sex-attacker-who-assaulted-woman-29079197.html

i see. interesting.

I think it is disgusting, though it seems you arent allowed to mention any negative about Saint Mickey on this particular board. Thankfully other discussion boards arent as biased.

Bad form from Harte




Got Nothing to do with today's football match....... Go to other discussion boards if your so concerned with this topic

Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2013, 04:29:28 PM

Quote from: EC Unique on March 03, 2013, 04:26:21 PM
Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

As far as I remember it was 2 points last year. In my opinion the players that were missing would have been worth 2 points on the day. Donegal grew with every game and won the all Ireland. I don't think Tyrone could have pushed on like Donegal did.

First post - were Tyrone wearing gps
Trackers today?

Was very dissapointed in the 2 McGees today.  I have a lot of time for them as footballers, very good uncompromising defenders who can play a bit too, but their antics today left alot to be desired. Stevie and Eamonn shook hands at the end of the game, yet Neil tried to get another row going... Plus Rory Kavanagh, where did he get the hard man gene from???... He done everything in his power to get Sean Cav to retaliate in order to get him lined, thankfully Sean has the experience to ignore him.  Sean has taken abuse from far better players than that.

Rant over..

As a spectacle I thought it was fairly scrappy, not a lot between the teams as usual.  Will have no bearing on the match in May, but nice to get a win.

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They ll be fairly happy on the sex offenders wing in Maghaberry after that first half.

go on, tell us why.

surprisingly the usually vocal Tyronies have been very quiet on this one, though it probably deserves a thread of its own.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mickey-harte-under-fire-over-reference-for-sex-attacker-who-assaulted-woman-29079197.html

i see. interesting.

I think it is disgusting, though it seems you arent allowed to mention any negative about Saint Mickey on this particular board. Thankfully other discussion boards arent as biased.

Bad form from Harte




Got Nothing to do with today's football match....... Go to other discussion boards if your so concerned with this topic

Second post - why should he go to another discussion board maybe another thread but defo should be able to voice his opinions in said subject on this board.

Badly judged by Harte I feel given the history! And I'm a Tyrone man - possibly a statement to clarify from Harte would help unless as I suspect he's like the pope and is infallible!

On another point I think he's building a team who could with a bit of luck challenge for
AI again.

Thankfully other discussion boards arent as biased.
Thats why...


I agree, he should have stayed out of it, but has nowt to do with today's game.

Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2013, 04:29:28 PM
By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Doesn't really mean that though. The Tyrone - Donegal match last summer was very close and whilst I think Donegal deserved to win, there was really just a kick of the ball in it at the end. Had Tyrone had Cavanagh and Coney (their top scorer last year) fit, I think they would have been hopeful of having enough extra to have won that game. That doesn't mean that Tyrone would have been AI champions at all, I think it's pretty obvious that Donegal had much more in the tank and were far better equipped for a crack at Sam than Tyrone. Similar to the year before when Tyrone could and perhaps should have beaten Donegal at the same stage - but were not serious AI contenders, whereas Donegal probably were. Similarly, in the years in the previous decade that Tyrone were at their best they lost, or came close to losing, a few matches in Ulster to teams who were never Sam contenders, yet were capable of pushing or beating Tyrone in Ulster.

Good win today for Tyrone and after 3 matches they are pretty close to already securing their place in Division 1 for next season. Perhaps a little concern that Tyrone didn't put Donegal away despite being in a winning position from early in the second half, but still have to be happy with the win. Probably more important for Tyrone to win that game in their stage of development than it was for Donegal, a turnaround really from a few years back when it was the other way around. It will be a very different Donegal come championship but Tyrone can take it up a level or two as well.

Radda...on your first post - something like that I believe.

Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 03, 2013, 04:52:14 PM
First post - were Tyrone wearing gps
Trackers today?

Noticed the small box like device at the top of their backs myself. Be some interesting stats from them. My guess would be Mark Donnelly for the most ground covered. He was popping up everywhere and had a good game.

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Radda...on your first post - something like that I believe.

God save us.  What next??

Tyrone showing a bit of pedigree today, was great to see. I was worried coming into this match, facing the current Ulster and All-Ireland Championships. Although Donegal ended up with 13 men, I did feel Tyrone were in control of the game. A good mixture of old and new players getting on the score sheet - 8 different players.

Niall Mogan - 0-03
Mark Donnelly 0-01
Sean Cavanagh 0-02
Peter Harte 0-02
Ronan McNamee 0-01
Joe McMahan 0-01
Stephen O'Neill 1-02
Ryan McKenna 0-01

A great penalty save by Morgan, but the carry on afterwards wasn't needed. Murphy was unfortunate to get off, but it was technically a yellow card. The ref should have used a bit of common sense here. Donegal didn't really have much of a scoring threat after this.

Donegal also were denied a clear penalty too, in the second half.

All and all, Tyrone were the better team and another two points on the board is great to have.

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Quote from: J70 on March 03, 2013, 04:29:28 PM
By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Doesn't really mean that though. The Tyrone - Donegal match last summer was very close and whilst I think Donegal deserved to win, there was really just a kick of the ball in it at the end. Had Tyrone had Cavanagh and Coney (their top scorer last year) fit, I think they would have been hopeful of having enough extra to have won that game. That doesn't mean that Tyrone would have been AI champions at all, I think it's pretty obvious that Donegal had much more in the tank and were far better equipped for a crack at Sam than Tyrone. Similar to the year before when Tyrone could and perhaps should have beaten Donegal at the same stage - but were not serious AI contenders, whereas Donegal probably were. Similarly, in the years in the previous decade that Tyrone were at their best they lost, or came close to losing, a few matches in Ulster to teams who were never Sam contenders, yet were capable of pushing or beating Tyrone in Ulster.

Good win today for Tyrone and after 3 matches they are pretty close to already securing their place in Division 1 for next season. Perhaps a little concern that Tyrone didn't put Donegal away despite being in a winning position from early in the second half, but still have to be happy with the win. Probably more important for Tyrone to win that game in their stage of development than it was for Donegal, a turnaround really from a few years back when it was the other way around. It will be a very different Donegal come championship but Tyrone can take it up a level or two as well.

some good young players coming through for tyrone. they'll come close this year outright and will be very tight again in may when we play. we went close enough today despite everything so i'm optimistic about or chances then.

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Was very dissapointed in the 2 McGees today.  I have a lot of time for them as footballers, very good uncompromising defenders who can play a bit too, but their antics today left alot to be desired. Stevie and Eamonn shook hands at the end of the game, yet Neil tried to get another row going... Plus Rory Kavanagh, where did he get the hard man gene from???... He done everything in his power to get Sean Cav to retaliate in order to get him lined, thankfully Sean has the experience to ignore him.  Sean has taken abuse from far better players than that.

Rant over..

As a spectacle I thought it was fairly scrappy, not a lot between the teams as usual.  Will have no bearing on the match in May, but nice to get a win.

I take it you didn't notice your goalkeeper's antics then?

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Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

As far as I remember it was 2 points last year. In my opinion the players that were missing would have been worth 2 points on the day. Donegal grew with every game and won the all Ireland. I don't think Tyrone could have pushed on like Donegal did.

Fair enough, but would they have made the difference when Tyrone were held scoreless for 35 minutes? Sean Cavanagh played in 2011 and Tyrone still didn't win (and were similarly starved for scores for very long stretchs, losing a five point lead).

Anyway, we can all point to this or that in close games over the years, whether its refereeing decisions or missing players or bad misses or whatever. We were poor today, but had the referee given the second penalty as he should and we scored it, who knows what might have happened?

Tyrone won as they are fitter, very obvious to see. When they meet in the championship fitness will be 50/50 and I expect Donegal to win.

Enjoyable game deservedly won by Tyrone spoiled by Murphy's sending off, but I don't think it will have any bearing on the championship.

Donegal are in the middle of hard training & were without Lacey for the whole game & Murphy for the second half. On top of that McGrath, Gallagher McHugh & McFadden are nowhere near match fitness. Tyrone are further on in their fitness but Donegal will be ready & the championship meeting in May is now nicely set up with a few players on both sides laying down markers. 

Hi lads,

Tactical analysis of Tyrone's win over Donegal up now http://action81.com/blog/?p=6814

Emmet

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I just caught a glimpse on the news. I did see it and disappointed in the bravado... Its good enough to make the great save and leave it at that,

Quote from: ziggysego on March 03, 2013, 05:36:18 PM
Tyrone showing a bit of pedigree today, was great to see. I was worried coming into this match, facing the current Ulster and All-Ireland Championships. Although Donegal ended up with 13 men, I did feel Tyrone were in control of the game. A good mixture of old and new players getting on the score sheet - 8 different players.

Niall Mogan - 0-03
Mark Donnelly 0-01
Sean Cavanagh 0-02
Peter Harte 0-02
Ronan McNamee 0-01
Joe McMahan 0-01
Stephen O'Neill 1-02
Ryan McKenna 0-01

A great penalty save by Morgan, but the carry on afterwards wasn't needed. Murphy was unfortunate to get off, but it was technically a yellow card. The ref should have used a bit of common sense here. Donegal didn't really have much of a scoring threat after this.

Donegal also were denied a clear penalty too, in the second half.

All and all, Tyrone were the better team and another two points on the board is great to have.

There's no such thing as common sense in the rule book. The referee was totally correct in his application of the 2 yellow cards for Murphy. He isn't under any obligation to keep 15 players on the field. He is there to apply the rules and if the players don't comply then they reap the consequences.

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Tyrone won as they are fitter, very obvious to see. When they meet in the championship fitness will be 50/50 and I expect Donegal to win.

Correct, it can make all the difference at this time of year. Tyrone are better than i thought tbh, i still think Mark Donnelly is nowhere near the required standard (when push comes to shove), i'd have similar opinions re Durcan in Donegal's nets - a liability & never looks anywhere near fit.

Mark Donnelly - really? I think he's crucial to Tyrone.

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Mark Donnelly - really? I think he's crucial to Tyrone.

He covers a lot of ground getting plenty of work done. Well worth his place.

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Mark Donnelly - really? I think he's crucial to Tyrone.

He covers a lot of ground getting plenty of work done. Well worth his place.

Yep, one of the most industrious on the park.

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Tyrone won as they are fitter, very obvious to see. When they meet in the championship fitness will be 50/50 and I expect Donegal to win.

Correct, it can make all the difference at this time of year. Tyrone are better than i thought tbh, i still think Mark Donnelly is nowhere near the required standard (when push comes to shove), i'd have similar opinions re Durcan in Donegal's nets - a liability & never looks anywhere near fit.

Did you watch Donegal much the last 2 years. Reason why I'm asking is because Paul durcanhas been a massive influence in donegals success. Otis can be seen by him getting an all star award last year and his save against Tyrone last year is as good a save as you will see anywhere

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Quote from: ziggysego on March 03, 2013, 05:36:18 PM
Tyrone showing a bit of pedigree today, was great to see. I was worried coming into this match, facing the current Ulster and All-Ireland Championships. Although Donegal ended up with 13 men, I did feel Tyrone were in control of the game. A good mixture of old and new players getting on the score sheet - 8 different players.

Niall Mogan - 0-03
Mark Donnelly 0-01
Sean Cavanagh 0-02
Peter Harte 0-02
Ronan McNamee 0-01
Joe McMahan 0-01
Stephen O'Neill 1-02
Ryan McKenna 0-01

A great penalty save by Morgan, but the carry on afterwards wasn't needed. Murphy was unfortunate to get off, but it was technically a yellow card. The ref should have used a bit of common sense here. Donegal didn't really have much of a scoring threat after this.

Donegal also were denied a clear penalty too, in the second half.

All and all, Tyrone were the better team and another two points on the board is great to have.

There's no such thing as common sense in the rule book. The referee was totally correct in his application of the 2 yellow cards for Murphy. He isn't under any obligation to keep 15 players on the field. He is there to apply the rules and if the players don't comply then they reap the consequences.

No, the referee was entirely wrong in the first yellow card given to Michael Murphy when he was unable to distinguish between a dangerous tackle around the neck, and a light hand on the shoulder.

Murphys challenge on Matthew Donnelly was a free kick, but not a yellow card in a month of Sundays. Similar challenges went unpunished with card during the remainder of the game.

It came quite early in the game, at a time when the ref was trying to stamp his authority on by carding minor incidents. But was most assuredly the wrong call. And the referee's failure to consistently card such incidents for the remainder of the game was frustrating.

And to think that the FRC are considering giving the clowns in the middle even more powers and maybe a black card to add to all the rest! The mind boggles.

Murphy can have no complaint about the second yellow though. It was reckless to go sliding in like that.

I have to say I was mightily amused by the pantomimesque booing from the Tyrone wans in the stand as Murphy made the long walk.

Almost as amusing as the great guttural roar they gave the Tyrone team at half time.

Steady on chaps, it's only the league.

I didn't say anything to get a rise, just my opinion, i dont rate either & would say they're both weaklinks. Being a shotstopper has to be a given for a goalie? Being slow, unfit & overweight hardly adds to his game. Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

Jimmys loosing matches, Jimmys loosing games,
Jimmys too busy with Celtic to bring Sam back to Donegal again!

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
I didn't say anything to get a rise, just my opinion, i dont rate either & would say they're both weaklinks. Being a shotstopper has to be a given for a goalie? Being slow, unfit & overweight hardly adds to his game. Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

Must be another Mark Donnelly. Definitely not the one who burst through the centre of Donegal's defence for one of Tyrone's early points or the Mark Donnelly sweeping around his own full back line a minute later.

Tyrone deserved to win today. They are flying at the moment and it is easy to see why their supporters were huffed when many dismissed them as serious contenders for the coming year. But this is the league, teams are at different levels, have different goals, resting players and getting players ready from injury for the real McCoy. Still Mr Harte has to be happy heading of from the stadium this evening.

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

Have you actually seen him live, seriously, or are you just going on your own very limited perceptions, i.e., as limited as the dimensions on your TV, computer, etc.?

Sorry, i omitted slow before unathletic.

Quote from: ck on March 03, 2013, 09:44:26 PM
Jimmys loosing matches, Jimmys loosing games,
Jimmys too busy with Celtic to bring Sam back to Donegal again!

If you are going to post something as juvenile as that at least get the spelling right, it's "losing".

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
I didn't say anything to get a rise, just my opinion, i dont rate either & would say they're both weaklinks. Being a shotstopper has to be a given for a goalie? Being slow, unfit & overweight hardly adds to his game. Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

Donnelly 'Unathletic'? Is there such a word? In the fitness tests undertaken by the Tyrone players his fitness level was the equivalent of a professional soccer player. He is one of the first names on Harte's team sheet. Quite right as well.

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 10:17:01 PM
Sorry, i omitted slow before unathletic.

WUM, touché  ;D

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
I didn't say anything to get a rise, just my opinion, i dont rate either & would say they're both weaklinks. Being a shotstopper has to be a given for a goalie? Being slow, unfit & overweight hardly adds to his game. Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

This is an odd post

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
I didn't say anything to get a rise, just my opinion, i dont rate either & would say they're both weaklinks. Being a shotstopper has to be a given for a goalie? Being slow, unfit & overweight hardly adds to his game. Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

He's hardly a forward in the traditional sense

I dont rate him, not the end of the world.

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 11:06:38 PM
I dont rate him, not the end of the world.

Sorry, I think I may have misread your post, I thought you were saying Mark Donnelly was unfit and overweight. That's what I thought was odd.

The donegal supporters behind us today didnt rate either SON or Sean Cav. Apparently they are both too old now to play football. (Was delighted that Sean then scored a lovely point from play) They also seemed to be annoyed with Morgan coming up to take frees. He was being told to stay in his box where he belonged. All in all a good result but it will be an interesting follow up game in May.

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Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
I didn't say anything to get a rise, just my opinion, i dont rate either & would say they're both weaklinks. Being a shotstopper has to be a given for a goalie? Being slow, unfit & overweight hardly adds to his game. Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

Donnelly 'Unathletic'? Is there such a word? In the fitness tests undertaken by the Tyrone players his fitness level was the equivalent of a professional soccer player. He is one of the first names on Harte's team sheet. Quite right as well.

He's not a bad player but he carries the ball too much - way too much. Last year he continually carried it into tackles, slowing the game down or losing possession and it cost tyrone. If he learns from that well worth his place. Blanket defenses aren't as prevalent in the league so you won't see that so much.

Any truth in the rumour that Tyrone fans spat on Karl Lacey today in the stand?
If so it's appalling. Tyrone fans (club and county) are developing a poor rep over recent years.

They are alright, the little scamps.  ;D

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Quote from: ck on March 03, 2013, 09:44:26 PM
Jimmys loosing matches, Jimmys loosing games,
Jimmys too busy with Celtic to bring Sam back to Donegal again!

If you are going to post something as juvenile as that at least get the spelling right, it's "losing".

ck has some kind of hard-on for Donegal, or maybe its just Jim McGuinness!

Good to pin another 2 points to the board, onwards now to give the langers a lashing.

Quote from: ck on March 03, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Any truth in the rumour that Tyrone fans spat on Karl Lacey today in the stand?
If so it's appalling. Tyrone fans (club and county) are developing a poor rep over recent years.

jesus Christ!! Gobshites like you are what destroys this f**king board! Asking if anybody heard  a " rumour" about something ridiculous like that. Then you judge Tyrone as a whole on something that is more than likely a pile of shite. Wise up FFS!!! Rant over!

Average game I thought characterised by the usual off the ball stuff, verbals etc. Made poor viewing.

You'd wonder how many a side it will be in the championship at the end.

Tyrone have certainly improved and will be up there this year. Donegal look a little behind fitness wise which you'd expect.

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Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

As far as I remember it was 2 points last year. In my opinion the players that were missing would have been worth 2 points on the day. Donegal grew with every game and won the all Ireland. I don't think Tyrone could have pushed on like Donegal did.

Fair enough, but would they have made the difference when Tyrone were held scoreless for 35 minutes? Sean Cavanagh played in 2011 and Tyrone still didn't win (and were similarly starved for scores for very long stretchs, losing a five point lead).

Anyway, we can all point to this or that in close games over the years, whether its refereeing decisions or missing players or bad misses or whatever. We were poor today, but had the referee given the second penalty as he should and we scored it, who knows what might have happened?

What second penalty?  I didn't see anything that should have been given as a penalty that wasn't.

As for Tyrone, decent result and considering the number of young players on the team things are progressing well.  Still a lot of talent to come into the team via the like of Coney, Colm Cavanagh, McNabb and Ronan O'Neill.  Cassidy looked very laboured when he comeon yesterday too, surprised he got on given his only recent return to the panel.  What about SONs cross field ball for the goal chance yesterday, unreal.

I actually thought cassidy was a significant improvement in the midfield sector when he came on. Id say he performed better in 35mins than Michael Murphy did. Id imagine if he can stay injury free between now & may he will fancy his chances of nailing a starting 15 spot.

Niall morgan is a great addition to the Tyrone panel. I am sure that Mickey & Tony will have a chat to him about controlling his emotions (he had a rush of blood to the head last March for the swifts and picked up a needless suspension) however that shouldnt take away from his MOTM display. He's a young fella and is learning on the job.

The old guard of Joe McMahon, Sean Cavanagh & SON all had great games yesterday. Thought it was harsh replacing McAliskey so soon. He should have had a goal (again) however i thought he showed up well for the ball & penrose didnt really improve the full forward line in shape or form.

Justin McMahon's injury is a worry - any updates on that?

Quote from: bennydorano on March 03, 2013, 09:27:55 PM
I didn't say anything to get a rise, just my opinion, i dont rate either & would say they're both weaklinks. Being a shotstopper has to be a given for a goalie? Being slow, unfit & overweight hardly adds to his game. Mark Donnelly is so unathletic for a top level forward imo & doesn't count when hardies come to hardies.

This is the part that convinces me Benny that you haven't a clue!

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Quote from: ck on March 03, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Any truth in the rumour that Tyrone fans spat on Karl Lacey today in the stand?
If so it's appalling. Tyrone fans (club and county) are developing a poor rep over recent years.

jesus Christ!! Gobshites like you are what destroys this f**king board! Asking if anybody heard  a " rumour" about something ridiculous like that. Then you judge Tyrone as a whole on something that is more than likely a pile of shite. Wise up FFS!!! Rant over!

It's a lot more than a rumour. Tyrone themselves have admitted that it happened & Mickey Harte & the Tyrone chairman have apologised to Donegal for it.

I was at the game yesterday on the terrace opposite the stand. We had a great time with good humoured banter between both sets of supporters. However it was evident that there was a section of people especially in the stand who were venemous, especially when Murphy was sent off. I have been going to county games for over 40 years & I have to say that when it comes to Tyrone games I try to find a part of the ground that is sparsely populated so that I can enjoy the game with my family.

I am by no means tarring all supporters with this brush, but there is a significant number of them who become almost unhinged at games & it can be very intimidating especially for children.

"This happens in every county..." etc. etc.

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Any truth in the rumour that Tyrone fans spat on Karl Lacey today in the stand?
If so it's appalling. Tyrone fans (club and county) are developing a poor rep over recent years.

jesus Christ!! Gobshites like you are what destroys this f**king board! Asking if anybody heard  a " rumour" about something ridiculous like that. Then you judge Tyrone as a whole on something that is more than likely a pile of shite. Wise up FFS!!! Rant over!

It's a lot more than a rumour. Tyrone themselves have admitted that it happened & Mickey Harte & the Tyrone chairman have apologised to Donegal for it.

It wasn't fans, but it was a 'fan' apparently -- indefensible, and such an individual has no place being in a GAA ground.  That'll be his last game, with a bit of luck.

I know you are not.  For years I remember I gave out about the Mc Kenna cup final in Ballybofey 2004 and the abuse that was meted out to the then All Ireland winners - the Tyrone players from the crowd before the game even started was as bad as I have ever seen.  Everyone is responsible for their behaviour as GAA members and there should be a code of conduct among GAA members.   My feeling is that we should have more volunteer (off duty) stewards trained up who at least deal in groups with in crowd annoyances.  There was a guy beside me started to boo Michael Murphy when he was sent off, in his 40s yesterday. From his accent he was North or West of the county.   I asked him what age was he and to catch himself on.  When he answered with a smart arsed reply, I asked him his club.  He told me it was none of my business, and I said that I didnt think he belonged to any club as he certainly didnt act like a man representing his club.  He did go quiet  for the rest of the game. But we could do with curbing the general bad manners coming from the stands on all sides.  The crowds should be respecting the efforts of the players more.  I wasnt in Killarney last year but my all accounts it was rough treading for the visiting supporters.  Time to recognise that each county is as guilty as the next and to cut it out.     

Quote from: rrhf on March 04, 2013, 10:46:18 AM
I know you are not.  For years I remember I gave out about the Mc Kenna cup final in Ballybofey 2004 and the abuse that was meted out to the then All Ireland winners - the Tyrone players from the crowd before the game even started was as bad as I have ever seen.  Everyone is responsible for their behaviour as GAA members and there should be a code of conduct among GAA members.   My feeling is that we should have more volunteer (off duty) stewards trained up who at least deal in groups with in crowd annoyances.  There was a guy beside me started to boo Michael Murphy when he was sent off, in his 40s yesterday. From his accent he was North or West of the county.   I asked him what age was he and to catch himself on.  When he answered with a smart arsed reply, I asked him his club.  He told me it was none of my business, and I said that I didnt think he belonged to any club as he certainly didnt act like a man representing his club.  He did go quiet  for the rest of the game. But we could do with curbing the general bad manners coming from the stands on all sides.  The crowds should be respecting the efforts of the players more.  I wasnt in Killarney last year but my all accounts it was rough treading for the visiting supporters.  Time to recognise that each county is as guilty as the next and to cut it out.   

+1
Every county has its share and they should be silenced by the majority. No place for this in any gaa sport. Fans mixing freely is a great feature of our games and should be protected at all costs.

Quote from: cadhlancian on March 04, 2013, 04:06:51 AM

Quote from: ck on March 03, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Any truth in the rumour that Tyrone fans spat on Karl Lacey today in the stand?
If so it's appalling. Tyrone fans (club and county) are developing a poor rep over recent years.

jesus Christ!! Gobshites like you are what destroys this f**king board! Asking if anybody heard  a " rumour" about something ridiculous like that. Then you judge Tyrone as a whole on something that is more than likely a pile of shite. Wise up FFS!!! Rant over!

Ps: I'll accept an apology, in your own time

I watched the game on TG4 from home yesterday and enjoyed it, even though I knew it wasn't attractive open football. I suppose we've come to expect these kind of defensive battles now between these two teams who are both well capable of opening up play but choose to go down the more cagey defensive road in case they lose.

Psychologically I think it was important that Tyrone won, as Donegal have won the last 4 meetings and so if we didn't beat them at home with our extra fitness work done then it would leave a lot of questions how can we beat them in May when its a more level playing field.
Saying that it was pretty obvious Donegal weren't just there to make up the numbers and Michael Murphy showed us again that he is definitely the strongest and probably best forward in Ireland at the moment. The problem for McGuinness though is where to play him. The experiment to move him out from FF and away from Clarke I think was a big mistake as Tyrone always struggle to win ball around the middle third. His point from out on the right wing was sublime as he turned Clarke inside out.
As is the last 2 championship games between these two it looked like Tyrone would do all the hard work in the first half and look like the better team but in fact Donegal would be right with them and had they scored the penalty they could have went in leading.
However, it definitely was a turning point and it was a huge loss for Donegal to not score the goal and to lose their talisman and probably man of the match had he stayed on. Who knows?

Anyway, Tyrone pushed on well in the 2nd half and scored some magnificent long range points like from Cavanagh, Joey & one in the 1st half from McNamee as he did last week.

Stevie & Cavanagh look to be leading the line well and showing a lot of hard graft and their usual level of skill. Its good for Stevie to be back getting regular 1-3's etc and to have options to lay it off or shoot himself. Its not so one dimensional any more.
So all in all I think we have done very well in kicking on with the transition period and it hasn't gone unnoticed with some of the pundits like McStay and Co. It would be nice to get to a league semi so early for a lot of these players but we've got Cork next and then a tough trip to Croker.

Regarding the fans. I think when fans from counties who put a lot of effort into their football, become very passionate about their team. So for Donegal fans now they more than likely see this as being their years of power. They've won two back to back Ulsters and one Sam and so rightfully they are up there at the top table. However, as we from Tyrone no too well, you're their to be knocked down and ye get a very frosty welcome from most counties who think they can beat you.
So whilst maybe Antrim or Louth might not be so vociferous you can expect neighbouring counties like Tyrone & Derry, then Dublin, Kerry and now ye can probably add Cork & Kildare to that list who will not seem as welcoming as other years when they met ye.
Mix in alcohol and young lads acting the maggot and you soon get a rich collection of language which can give your county a bad name.

Big difference between lads 'booing' and arguing with other fans in the stand and somebody being spat at.
Things seem to escalate very quickly at Tyrone club/county games.

Quote from: Jinxy on March 04, 2013, 10:59:21 AM
Big difference between lads 'booing' and arguing with other fans in the stand and somebody being spat at.
Things seem to escalate very quickly at Tyrone club/county games.

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Have you got some sort of keyword or phrase sensors set up to alert you when it time to have another pop at us.  ;D

Well done RRHF for putting yer man in his place. I've not the biggest of guys but I've done something similar myself one day and I'd hope that lad who spat on Lacey was spoken to by somebody or at least identified. If we stand idly by and don't get involved then you're not doing your bit for your county or club. If these lads knew that the could be turned on by their own then they'd be a bit slower to do stuff. Part of it is that they get a positive reaction from those around them and so they love being popular then.

I think with the new rivalry that is being built up between Donegal and Tyrone it is inevitable there will be some jealousy and bad feelings between fans and players. Even Sean Cavanagh admits himself he doesn't like watching local rivals winning.
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Quote from: Jinxy on March 04, 2013, 10:59:21 AM
Big difference between lads 'booing' and arguing with other fans in the stand and somebody being spat at.
Things seem to escalate very quickly at Tyrone club/county games.

What year was that Dublin/Meath league match where missiles were thrown from the crowd at the Dublin players leaving the field? You've a quare short memory my friend.

My ma was at the game, said it will be her last. She was embarassed by some of the trampy mouthing going on in the stand. Tyrone support has become more and more non club people and usually you will find the loudest at the Tyrone games are the one who wouldn't and thankfully will never enter their club grounds. Same ones then yapp on here about how they can't get tickets, have been all year (ticketmaster) and hate the bandwagon supporter.

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Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

As far as I remember it was 2 points last year. In my opinion the players that were missing would have been worth 2 points on the day. Donegal grew with every game and won the all Ireland. I don't think Tyrone could have pushed on like Donegal did.

Fair enough, but would they have made the difference when Tyrone were held scoreless for 35 minutes? Sean Cavanagh played in 2011 and Tyrone still didn't win (and were similarly starved for scores for very long stretchs, losing a five point lead).

Anyway, we can all point to this or that in close games over the years, whether its refereeing decisions or missing players or bad misses or whatever. We were poor today, but had the referee given the second penalty as he should and we scored it, who knows what might have happened?

What second penalty?  I didn't see anything that should have been given as a penalty that wasn't.

As for Tyrone, decent result and considering the number of young players on the team things are progressing well.  Still a lot of talent to come into the team via the like of Coney, Colm Cavanagh, McNabb and Ronan O'Neill.  Cassidy looked very laboured when he comeon yesterday too, surprised he got on given his only recent return to the panel.  What about SONs cross field ball for the goal chance yesterday, unreal.

Ross Wherity was pushed when in close on goal and right as he was about to shoot midway through the second half. Definite foul, as a few of your fellow supporters have acknowledged. I doubt anyone from Donegal will lose any sleep over it, but a penalty should have been awarded.

Fuzzman was going well there until his/her gratuitous insult of Antrim (and Louth) supporters.  Believe me, despair is a form of passion. 

I've posted along these lines before but in my 35+ years of GAA watching and playing the best times were spent wth Tyrone people and the worst times were spent with Tyrone people.  In 2003 I had my enjoyment of an otherwise good day out and half decent game at Casement Pk spoiled by Tyrone fans in front of me, however in 2008 I enjoyed a couple of hours after the AI final in James Gill's with Tyrone and Kerry fans with the three Kerry boys (from Waterville if I remember rightly) being very magnanimous in defeat and the Tyrone boys equally dignified in victory. 

Is this a long winded way of saying every county has them!?!?

Its amazing how some eejits lose the head at these games. The worst I've seen was the moron from Derry who hurled a bottle from up near the back of the Hogan Stand down towards the pitch (or perhaps the lower stand crowd). This was at one of the mid-90s league finals between Derry and Donegal. Unluckily for him, a load of people stood up and pointed him out to the Gardai and he was dragged out. The worst part was that this was no young, immature sc**bag without the sense to know better; this lad had a full greying beard and looked to be in his late 40s or early 50s!

Quote from: AQMP on March 04, 2013, 11:24:30 AM
Fuzzman was going well there until his/her gratuitous insult of Antrim (and Louth) supporters.  Believe me, despair is a form of passion. 

Is this a long winded way of saying every county has them!?!?

As a matter of interest what age were the ones that spoiled yer fun and how old were the ones in the pub in 2008. Its not always the case but to me when a group of lads in their teens or early 20s are at a match together there tend to be this competition to be the funniest or the biggest messer or hard man.
Then of course there is the man (or woman) in their 40's etc who's loud mouthed at the best of times but when he's had a few drinks he's out of control and so shouts things at a match that are very distasteful for most people.
I remember taking my GF to her first Tyrone v Armagh match back in the late 90's. I wasn't prepared for the foul mouthing coming out of some Armagh fans near us but I knew too well I could move down a bit and get the same from some Tyrone fans.

Anyway folks. Do you think it will be a similar style of game in May?
Is McCarron injured or lost his place now in the half back line?

Quote from: trileacman on March 04, 2013, 11:16:14 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 04, 2013, 10:59:21 AM
Big difference between lads 'booing' and arguing with other fans in the stand and somebody being spat at.
Things seem to escalate very quickly at Tyrone club/county games.

What year was that Dublin/Meath league match where missiles were thrown from the crowd at the Dublin players leaving the field? You've a quare short memory my friend.

'Missiles'.  ;D
It was a cup of cold, weak tea.
It probably didn't even have sugar in it.

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Quote from: trileacman on March 04, 2013, 11:16:14 AM

Quote from: Jinxy on March 04, 2013, 10:59:21 AM
Big difference between lads 'booing' and arguing with other fans in the stand and somebody being spat at.
Things seem to escalate very quickly at Tyrone club/county games.

What year was that Dublin/Meath league match where missiles were thrown from the crowd at the Dublin players leaving the field? You've a quare short memory my friend.

'Missiles'.  ;D
It was a cup of cold, weak tea.
It probably didn't even have sugar in it.

I heard it was herbal

Love the way people try to differentiate between supporters who just support the county and are not involved with clubs as opposed to those from clubs who support their county. We've all seen nasty incidents at every level in every county. Sometimes it's hard to control your passion and I'm sure on reflection the supporter involved is pretty embarrassed for himself and his family. We're just a tribal race of people and say and do the insanest things when the blood is up, and as long as do when gets hurt, i don't think I would like to have it any other way.

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Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

As far as I remember it was 2 points last year. In my opinion the players that were missing would have been worth 2 points on the day. Donegal grew with every game and won the all Ireland. I don't think Tyrone could have pushed on like Donegal did.

Fair enough, but would they have made the difference when Tyrone were held scoreless for 35 minutes? Sean Cavanagh played in 2011 and Tyrone still didn't win (and were similarly starved for scores for very long stretchs, losing a five point lead).

Anyway, we can all point to this or that in close games over the years, whether its refereeing decisions or missing players or bad misses or whatever. We were poor today, but had the referee given the second penalty as he should and we scored it, who knows what might have happened?

What second penalty?  I didn't see anything that should have been given as a penalty that wasn't.

As for Tyrone, decent result and considering the number of young players on the team things are progressing well.  Still a lot of talent to come into the team via the like of Coney, Colm Cavanagh, McNabb and Ronan O'Neill.  Cassidy looked very laboured when he comeon yesterday too, surprised he got on given his only recent return to the panel.  What about SONs cross field ball for the goal chance yesterday, unreal.

Ross Wherity was pushed when in close on goal and right as he was about to shoot midway through the second half. Definite foul, as a few of your fellow supporters have acknowledged. I doubt anyone from Donegal will lose any sleep over it, but a penalty should have been awarded.

I was thinking thats the incident in question, but if you get a chance to see it again you will see that Wherity pushed Clarke in the back just before he caught the ball, so if anything a free should have been blown before the subsequent Clarke push.

I noticed the Tyrone players were wearing the GPS tracking monitors under their jerseys.  I didn't think it was allowed in competition games.

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 04, 2013, 11:40:02 AM

Quote from: AQMP on March 04, 2013, 11:24:30 AM
Fuzzman was going well there until his/her gratuitous insult of Antrim (and Louth) supporters.  Believe me, despair is a form of passion. 

Is this a long winded way of saying every county has them!?!?

As a matter of interest what age were the ones that spoiled yer fun and how old were the ones in the pub in 2008. Its not always the case but to me when a group of lads in their teens or early 20s are at a match together there tend to be this competition to be the funniest or the biggest messer or hard man.
Then of course there is the man (or woman) in their 40's etc who's loud mouthed at the best of times but when he's had a few drinks he's out of control and so shouts things at a match that are very distasteful for most people.
I remember taking my GF to her first Tyrone v Armagh match back in the late 90's. I wasn't prepared for the foul mouthing coming out of some Armagh fans near us but I knew too well I could move down a bit and get the same from some Tyrone fans.

Anyway folks. Do you think it will be a similar style of game in May?
Is McCarron injured or lost his place now in the half back line?

I take your point, the boys in 2003 were around 20 and the boys in 2008 were older but I'd say they were in their late 20s.

just watched the 1st half their, cant believe Murphy was sent off for that, def free but wasnt even a yellow card. Only person who should been booked was the keeper doing all the slabbering

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2013, 01:49:37 PM
just watched the 1st half their, cant believe Murphy was sent off for that, def free but wasnt even a yellow card. Only person who should been booked was the keeper doing all the slabbering

Where were you able to watch it at??

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2013, 01:49:37 PM
just watched the 1st half their, cant believe Murphy was sent off for that, def free but wasnt even a yellow card. Only person who should been booked was the keeper doing all the slabbering

Sliding tackle into a man lying on the ground isn't a yellow card offence?  :o

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 04, 2013, 01:49:37 PM
just watched the 1st half their, cant believe Murphy was sent off for that, def free but wasnt even a yellow card. Only person who should been booked was the keeper doing all the slabbering

If anyone should have been sent off it should have been Neill Gallagher.  Murphy shouldn't have been sent off.  Murphy slid across for the ball before the Justy McMahon arrived, he didn't slide tackle him as such.

Quote from: trasna man on March 04, 2013, 12:17:22 PM
I noticed the Tyrone players were wearing the GPS tracking monitors under their jerseys.  I didn't think it was allowed in competition games.

Why would they not be?

I'd say there is a good chance the two could meet again before the championship. Both teams look good to claim a top 4 spot. The chance of semi-final or final meeting is a possibility.

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Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

As far as I remember it was 2 points last year. In my opinion the players that were missing would have been worth 2 points on the day. Donegal grew with every game and won the all Ireland. I don't think Tyrone could have pushed on like Donegal did.

Fair enough, but would they have made the difference when Tyrone were held scoreless for 35 minutes? Sean Cavanagh played in 2011 and Tyrone still didn't win (and were similarly starved for scores for very long stretchs, losing a five point lead).

Anyway, we can all point to this or that in close games over the years, whether its refereeing decisions or missing players or bad misses or whatever. We were poor today, but had the referee given the second penalty as he should and we scored it, who knows what might have happened?

What second penalty?  I didn't see anything that should have been given as a penalty that wasn't.

As for Tyrone, decent result and considering the number of young players on the team things are progressing well.  Still a lot of talent to come into the team via the like of Coney, Colm Cavanagh, McNabb and Ronan O'Neill.  Cassidy looked very laboured when he comeon yesterday too, surprised he got on given his only recent return to the panel.  What about SONs cross field ball for the goal chance yesterday, unreal.

Ross Wherity was pushed when in close on goal and right as he was about to shoot midway through the second half. Definite foul, as a few of your fellow supporters have acknowledged. I doubt anyone from Donegal will lose any sleep over it, but a penalty should have been awarded.

I was thinking thats the incident in question, but if you get a chance to see it again you will see that Wherity pushed Clarke in the back just before he caught the ball, so if anything a free should have been blown before the subsequent Clarke push.

Didn't see Wherity's push. If true, then yes, it should obviously have been a free out.

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Good win for Tyrone. The sending off took the sting out of the game but Tyrone looked the sharper team anyway. It will be some game in the championship. I suspect Tyrone will have too much for  Donegal if all the panel remain fit. They would have had too much last year if all were fit as well.

By that logic, Tyrone would have been AI champions last year then, given that everyone else they met couldn't match Donegal. A ten point plus turnaround in Tyrone's result against Kerry too.

Weren't you one of the boys giving the Mayo lads abuse the other week for unfounded arrogance?

As far as I remember it was 2 points last year. In my opinion the players that were missing would have been worth 2 points on the day. Donegal grew with every game and won the all Ireland. I don't think Tyrone could have pushed on like Donegal did.

Fair enough, but would they have made the difference when Tyrone were held scoreless for 35 minutes? Sean Cavanagh played in 2011 and Tyrone still didn't win (and were similarly starved for scores for very long stretchs, losing a five point lead).

Anyway, we can all point to this or that in close games over the years, whether its refereeing decisions or missing players or bad misses or whatever. We were poor today, but had the referee given the second penalty as he should and we scored it, who knows what might have happened?

What second penalty?  I didn't see anything that should have been given as a penalty that wasn't.

As for Tyrone, decent result and considering the number of young players on the team things are progressing well.  Still a lot of talent to come into the team via the like of Coney, Colm Cavanagh, McNabb and Ronan O'Neill.  Cassidy looked very laboured when he comeon yesterday too, surprised he got on given his only recent return to the panel.  What about SONs cross field ball for the goal chance yesterday, unreal.

Ross Wherity was pushed when in close on goal and right as he was about to shoot midway through the second half. Definite foul, as a few of your fellow supporters have acknowledged. I doubt anyone from Donegal will lose any sleep over it, but a penalty should have been awarded.

I was thinking thats the incident in question, but if you get a chance to see it again you will see that Wherity pushed Clarke in the back just before he caught the ball, so if anything a free should have been blown before the subsequent Clarke push.

Didn't see Wherity's push. If true, then yes, it should obviously have been a free out.

I had only noticed it last night when watching again as I was curious as to what the hell Clarke was doing as he was caught out of position in front of Wherity and was then trying to defend by facing Wherity and his own goal instead of facing the ball.

Spitting at Lacey is a disgusting act, that person should be banned if identified.

Have been trying to watch this on tg4 website but the streams appear to be down at the minute. Sent them an email to see when this will be available, will stick up a link when working.

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Have you got some sort of keyword or phrase sensors set up to alert you when it time to have another pop at us.  ;D

No need for anything that advanced.  ;)

Quote from: NAG1 on March 04, 2013, 02:06:59 PM

Quote from: trasna man on March 04, 2013, 12:17:22 PM
I noticed the Tyrone players were wearing the GPS tracking monitors under their jerseys.  I didn't think it was allowed in competition games.

Why would they not be?

My understanding is that the GPS system can highlight a player that is physically struggling and therefore show which player should be taking off, instead of the manager taking off a player who isn't having a good game, but may have plenty in the tank.Probably one of the science geeks on here could explain it better

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Quote from: AQMP on March 04, 2013, 11:24:30 AM
Fuzzman was going well there until his/her gratuitous insult of Antrim (and Louth) supporters.  Believe me, despair is a form of passion. 

Is this a long winded way of saying every county has them!?!?

As a matter of interest what age were the ones that spoiled yer fun and how old were the ones in the pub in 2008. Its not always the case but to me when a group of lads in their teens or early 20s are at a match together there tend to be this competition to be the funniest or the biggest messer or hard man.
Then of course there is the man (or woman) in their 40's etc who's loud mouthed at the best of times but when he's had a few drinks he's out of control and so shouts things at a match that are very distasteful for most people.
I remember taking my GF to her first Tyrone v Armagh match back in the late 90's. I wasn't prepared for the foul mouthing coming out of some Armagh fans near us but I knew too well I could move down a bit and get the same from some Tyrone fans.

Anyway folks. Do you think it will be a similar style of game in May?
Is McCarron injured or lost his place now in the half back line?

I take your point, the boys in 2003 were around 20 and the boys in 2008 were older but I'd say they were in their late 20s.

Maybe it was the same bunch of lads??

Quote from: trasna man on March 04, 2013, 03:58:30 PM

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Quote from: trasna man on March 04, 2013, 12:17:22 PM
I noticed the Tyrone players were wearing the GPS tracking monitors under their jerseys.  I didn't think it was allowed in competition games.

Why would they not be?

My understanding is that the GPS system can highlight a player that is physically struggling and therefore show which player should be taking off, instead of the manager taking off a player who isn't having a good game, but may have plenty in the tank.Probably one of the science geeks on here could explain it better

You are referring to the live analysis package which as far as I know can inform managers as to distance covered and average heart rate etc But I think players who are having poor games wll still be taken off.  ;)
Personally I think these GPS things are way overrated. They assist to inform but only play a minor role

Was happy enough with the performance again yesterday. Took the game to Donegal and the only negative being that they sat back in the 2nd half at 7 points and invited Donegal back into it.

Morgan obviously had a good game in nets. Based on the traditional goalkeeping role I'd still pick McConnell but Morgan offers that bit extra from frees that it will be hard not to play him. Tyrone really have struggled in recent years with long distance frees/50's and he definitely seems like a possible solution. Its good to see Justy continuing to get games and doing well. Clarke got it tough with Murphy in the 1st half but thought he hung in ok considering. Mattie Donnelly effectively played centre half back for most of the game and I thought he did very well - very adoptable player and strong. Still haven't made my mind up fully on the half backs but both doing quite well. McNamee seems to score some great points but then misses easier chances.

In midfield Cavanagh was again very good. Murphy looked a we bit of the pace and was rightly replaced. Was very impressed with the way Cassidy competed when he came on. If he learns to keep the game simple he could definitely be a strong option to partner Cavanagh.

Big Joe had a decent game. It was interesting to see the way Tyrone continually rotated the sweeper role. It almost appeared that Harte was using it to give that player a break from the constant running up and down the pitch. Peter Harte really needs to find a way of getting into games more. Everything he does he does well but he drifts out of games for too long. I still wonder if half back could be his position.

I'm undecided on Mark Donnelly. He's a good player and works so hard but I just have some doubts over him at the very top level. From memory he struggled against both Donegal and Kerry last year - running into trouble a bit. If he can improve this aspect of his game he could still be worth his place for his constant running. Penrose came on yesterday and again kicked a bad wide. He has become so wasteful which takes away from his ability to get on the ball. He also used to be a great tackler but has started fouling too much.

The one key position on the team that needs sorted is centre half forward. As I said Peter Harte just doesn't seemed to be doing enough there and is often moved from that position. I wonder if Coney was fit how he would carry out the role. Would add further physical presence to the half forward line. Wouldn't be surprised if Colm Cavanagh replaced McNeice there next week.

(http://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/u588/kiliman1/KirstyTyrone_zps3c79297e.jpg)

100% Santa. Harte has to be played at CHB.

Quote from: ck on March 04, 2013, 10:54:48 AM

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Quote from: ck on March 03, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Any truth in the rumour that Tyrone fans spat on Karl Lacey today in the stand?
If so it's appalling. Tyrone fans (club and county) are developing a poor rep over recent years.

jesus Christ!! Gobshites like you are what destroys this f**king board! Asking if anybody heard  a " rumour" about something ridiculous like that. Then you judge Tyrone as a whole on something that is more than likely a pile of shite. Wise up FFS!!! Rant over!

Ps: I'll accept an apology, in your own time

really? One so called "supporter" acts like a clown, and suddenly Tyrone FANS are enhancing their already horrible reputation?

Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2013, 12:04:21 PM
Love the way people try to differentiate between supporters who just support the county and are not involved with clubs as opposed to those from clubs who support their county. We've all seen nasty incidents at every level in every county. Sometimes it's hard to control your passion and I'm sure on reflection the supporter involved is pretty embarrassed for himself and his family. We're just a tribal race of people and say and do the insanest things when the blood is up, and as long as do when gets hurt, i don't think I would like to have it any other way.

Agree to an extent Dinny but spitting at someone is way over the lines of acceptability. I'm not sure anyone who fires their phlegm around would know the meaning of embarrassment. And I couldn't imagine Lacey participating in verbals or getting under the noses of those around him in the stand.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 04, 2013, 08:51:30 PM
Still haven't made my mind up fully on the half backs but both doing quite well. McNamee seems to score some great points but then misses easier chances.
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Peter Harte really needs to find a way of getting into games more. Everything he does he does well but he drifts out of games for too long. I still wonder if half back could be his position.

Good summary there Santa. Would agree with most of that. I was a bit worried at first that young Morgan would only be good at the frees but would lack the presence or shot stopping of big Pascal but he seems comfortable enough under a high ball and his safe on Sunday was top drawer.

I too am unsure about our half back line & our half forward line. Joey is playing great stuff again but  whilst McNamee and McKenna push forward well I am not sure about them defensively. I've not saw enough of them to be fair to them but a few times I've saw McKenna give away frees as he's let his man get a run on him towards goal.
Maybe in the past we've been spoilt with a very good half back line and a damn good half forward line so we could afford to lose out in MF. I think for some years now we've been trying to find Petey's best position and as yet we're still wondering. Interesting Kernan played him at RHB the last day I think. The last really good game I can remember him having was v Longford a few years ago.
Penrose & Donnelly are similar in that one day they can be great and win loads of ball and get several scores and then another day they seem to be easily held scoreless.

Psychology I think it was important for this new Tyrone team to beat Donegal, even if they knew they weren't at full pace/strength. Had Donegal have beaten us it could have had a negative impact in a lot of the players mind. We might not beat them in May but at least we know we have the beating of them now.

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 05, 2013, 02:35:35 PM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 04, 2013, 08:51:30 PM
Still haven't made my mind up fully on the half backs but both doing quite well. McNamee seems to score some great points but then misses easier chances.
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Peter Harte really needs to find a way of getting into games more. Everything he does he does well but he drifts out of games for too long. I still wonder if half back could be his position.

Good summary there Santa. Would agree with most of that. I was a bit worried at first that young Morgan would only be good at the frees but would lack the presence or shot stopping of big Pascal but he seems comfortable enough under a high ball and his safe on Sunday was top drawer.

I too am unsure about our half back line & our half forward line. Joey is playing great stuff again but  whilst McNamee and McKenna push forward well I am not sure about them defensively. I've not saw enough of them to be fair to them but a few times I've saw McKenna give away frees as he's let his man get a run on him towards goal.
Maybe in the past we've been spoilt with a very good half back line and a damn good half forward line so we could afford to lose out in MF. I think for some years now we've been trying to find Petey's best position and as yet we're still wondering. Interesting Kernan played him at RHB the last day I think. The last really good game I can remember him having was v Longford a few years ago.
Penrose & Donnelly are similar in that one day they can be great and win loads of ball and get several scores and then another day they seem to be easily held scoreless.

Psychology I think it was important for this new Tyrone team to beat Donegal, even if they knew they weren't at full pace/strength. Had Donegal have beaten us it could have had a negative impact in a lot of the players mind. We might not beat them in May but at least we know we have the beating of them now.

Centre half back is the place for Peter Harte.  Chopping and changing him isn't doing him much good.  Players are usually seen to have a bad game when they do something wrong, in Hartes case he is seen to have a bad game throgh simply not getting on the ball a lot as he rarely does something wrong.  I still think our forward line needs to see more of McAliskey/Lafferty/Coney/RON/McCurry over the next few games to get them used to this level.  These fellas have the skill and speed required come championship time, and speed is something that we are currently missing in the forward line. 

I actually don't think I'd play Harte Centre half back. Would be more inclined to play him left or right half back. Not sure he has the physical presence for centre half back. Also I'd prefer the centre half back to hold his position and not contstantly bomb forward. And I think this would take away considerably from Harte's game. Mattie Donnelly effectively operated at centre half back for a lot of the game on Sunday and was impressive. It allowed Joe McMahon a bit more freedom which suits his game.

Watched Harte play all the way through from underage and he is not a centre half back, too poor a defender to be be one for a start and it seriously curbs his attacking play which is fantastic.

Quote from: trileacman on March 05, 2013, 09:37:42 PM
Watched Harte play all the way through from underage and he is not a centre half back, too poor a defender to be be one for a start and it seriously curbs his attacking play which is fantastic.

Surely Harte is one of the best players we have at stopping men in their tracks & turning over possession? I dont agree that he's a poor defender. Would still prefer to see him in the forward line though. I'd say he's frustrated with his own performances in the big games so far. Everything he does is class but it needs to be sustained over 70 mins.

Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 04, 2013, 11:50:16 PM
With regards to the alleged incident on Lacey, ever since the covered stand opened up at Healy Park about a decade ago, it has become a spot especially during home NFL matches (which won't be all-ticket) for the less "respectable" end of Tyrone supporters to gather into, in particular areas around the centre and a neighbouring near end of the stand by the Gortin Road turnstiles. It goes back several years, the incident of where the cheering from the home support when Mark Harte was getting subbed in a home NFL match against Mayo springs to mind. Unless the weather is absolutely bucketing down, personally I prefer to go to watch on the terraces instead for most games at Healy.

If the offending "supporter" is identified, they should be banned from ever entering Healy Park again. If they were caught gobbing at someone in the street, there's a good chance they'd be up for assault.

Fionn,

I think you have hit the nail on the head. I took my 5 year old daughter and her 9 year old cousin to the match on Sunday, it was the first time taking them. I moved us all from the stand after about 15 mins of the first half due to the behaviour of those around us and they were far from youngsters. There is a large proportion of the Tyrone support who have no club links and that is part of the problem when added to the usual headcases.

We seem to have our fair share of them but there is lunatics in every county. I don't buy this non club thing being the problem though. Anyone who follows club football will realise there's plenty of twisting that goes on at the games - if anything its much worse than the county games. Tyrone also has a very large club membership and I'd say the majority of Tyrone fans there on Sunday were associated with clubs. I'd hazard a guess that whoever did spit was associated with a club too. Can anyone confirm?

I didn't notice any problems in the stand at all the other day. I'm sure there was a bit of shouting like you'd get at any game but nothing serious. The booing of Murphy was regrettable but wasn't a huge incident either. I would sit in the stand for all the games and have never seen any spitting or fighting. From time to time there's the odd mouth but think that would be the same in every county.

Quote from: trileacman on March 05, 2013, 09:37:42 PM
Watched Harte play all the way through from underage and he is not a centre half back, too poor a defender to be be one for a start and it seriously curbs his attacking play which is fantastic.

Since when did a defender have to defend.

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 05, 2013, 07:34:09 PM
I actually don't think I'd play Harte Centre half back. Would be more inclined to play him left or right half back. Not sure he has the physical presence for centre half back. Also I'd prefer the centre half back to hold his position and not contstantly bomb forward. And I think this would take away considerably from Harte's game. Mattie Donnelly effectively operated at centre half back for a lot of the game on Sunday and was impressive. It allowed Joe McMahon a bit more freedom which suits his game.

Have you seen him up close this last year or so? He is as physical as anyone on the Tyrone squad. Ask any player that tries to stop his runs.. Very strong lad.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-tyrone-and-donegals-poisonous-battle-sums-up-need-for-change-29111864.html

Talk about focusing on the negatives. I would agree there was cynical play which needs to be stamped out - particularly fouling to break up counter attacks (Donegal employed this tactic continually v Tyrone in the championship last year). But it was a lot better than most league games at this time of year. And for all his talk that the teams were intent on stopping each other there was still 26 scores on Sunday. These included a number of excellent long range points and some great team moves. There was also some great examples of defending and some decent high fielding. No other sport is subject to such one sided coverage. And I do think the teams locations has a part to play in it.

EC where do you think is Petey's best position?
Where would he rather play himself? Did he line out at FF a few times for ye?

I heard a few lads saying that McGee was punching Stevie off the ball all day trying to get a reaction.
Did anyone else see that?

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2013, 11:51:29 AM
EC where do you think is Petey's best position?
Where would he rather play himself? Did he line out at FF a few times for ye?

I heard a few lads saying that McGee was punching Stevie off the ball all day trying to get a reaction.
Did anyone else see that?

Constantly clipping, pulling, elbowing, dragging, mouthing etc at O'Neill, right up to (and after) the final whistle. Neil Gallagher was almost as bad, but at least he (eventually) got lined.

Quote from: Nally Stand on March 06, 2013, 01:35:07 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2013, 11:51:29 AM
EC where do you think is Petey's best position?
Where would he rather play himself? Did he line out at FF a few times for ye?

I heard a few lads saying that McGee was punching Stevie off the ball all day trying to get a reaction.
Did anyone else see that?

Constantly clipping, pulling, elbowing, dragging, mouthing etc at O'Neill, right up to (and after) the final whistle. Neil Gallagher was almost as bad, but at least he (eventually) got lined.

Gallagher acted the gypsy pulling Morgan from behind by the jersey, useless big hoore.

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2013, 11:51:29 AM
EC where do you think is Petey's best position?
Where would he rather play himself? Did he line out at FF a few times for ye?

I heard a few lads saying that McGee was punching Stevie off the ball all day trying to get a reaction.
Did anyone else see that?

He was very effective for us last year at number 6. That is fine at club level I'm not sure at county. FF is not his position IMO as one of his best qualities is running at teams with the ball. I actually would like to see him tried at midfield as he can attack and defend when required, he is physical enough and has a fantastic engine.

Quote from: Nally Stand on March 06, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Constantly clipping, pulling, elbowing, dragging, mouthing etc at O'Neill, right up to (and after) the final whistle. Neil Gallagher was almost as bad, but at least he (eventually) got lined.

Are the umpires now wired up the ref now or just the linesmen?
Why at this level do these incidents not get brought to the refs attention. It just adds to the frustration and then usually the forward starts to do the same back. Quite often its only then that the umpires or ref does something and books the two of them.

I've actually noticed Stevie this year seems to have a bit more mettle and can give as good as he's getting with a bit more cuteness in how not to get caught. I really would love to see umpires and linesmen deal with this behaviour much more and less of this shite "Ah its part and parcel of the game" RUBBISH.

Don't worry lads from other counties. I know you'll say its rich us poor Tyronies complaining as we do our fair share of it but I'm only saying I'd like to see it reported more and those be punished rather than just accepting it.

The other thing that a lot of fans seem to never contemplate is how they represent their county outside of it. I've heard from several men from different counties about the spitting incident and how we're a disgrace. To some fans this is not a big deal and sure look at their tactics on the pitch but unless we all make this behaviour totally unaccepted by one and all then it will continue to happen.

I'd love to see our county board put something in place where we can identify similar situations and get these individuals punished in some way. Of course every county has it's fair share of assholes but we in Tyrone are definitely up there with the worst of them.
I know its not a topic we like to bring up again but do we just continue to brush it under the carpet again and hope it doesn't rise again.
The bad feeling between Donegal & Tyrone is definitely growing and as a lot of Tyrone people go to Donegal for weekend nightclubs etc it could get much worse over the years to come.

Quote from: EC Unique on March 06, 2013, 12:02:38 AM

Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 05, 2013, 07:34:09 PM
I actually don't think I'd play Harte Centre half back. Would be more inclined to play him left or right half back. Not sure he has the physical presence for centre half back. Also I'd prefer the centre half back to hold his position and not contstantly bomb forward. And I think this would take away considerably from Harte's game. Mattie Donnelly effectively operated at centre half back for a lot of the game on Sunday and was impressive. It allowed Joe McMahon a bit more freedom which suits his game.

Have you seen him up close this last year or so? He is as physical as anyone on the Tyrone squad. Ask any player that tries to stop his runs.. Very strong lad.

Yeah I apprciate he filled out and is strong. But just don't think he's as physically imposing as the McMahons for example. I also just think his game would be better suited to the wing and he could be a good driving force from there.

Quote from: nrico2006 on March 06, 2013, 02:09:08 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on March 06, 2013, 01:35:07 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2013, 11:51:29 AM
EC where do you think is Petey's best position?
Where would he rather play himself? Did he line out at FF a few times for ye?

I heard a few lads saying that McGee was punching Stevie off the ball all day trying to get a reaction.
Did anyone else see that?

Constantly clipping, pulling, elbowing, dragging, mouthing etc at O'Neill, right up to (and after) the final whistle. Neil Gallagher was almost as bad, but at least he (eventually) got lined.

Gallagher acted the gypsy pulling Morgan from behind by the jersey, useless big hoore.

Morgan acted the gypsy first, hurling the ball into the back of Wherity's head after the penalty award and then running after Murphy goading him.

Personally, I find what McGee is alleged to have done distasteful, but other teams did this for years while Donegal stood about. Brendan Devenney used to complain constantly about the abuse from certain corner backs in Ulster, but, on here anyway, all he would get was abuse and advice to "man up", for lack of a better word. If the GAA wants to clean this shit up, great, but I'd rather not see my team disadvantaged in the meantime.

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2013, 03:27:57 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on March 06, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Constantly clipping, pulling, elbowing, dragging, mouthing etc at O'Neill, right up to (and after) the final whistle. Neil Gallagher was almost as bad, but at least he (eventually) got lined.

Are the umpires now wired up the ref now or just the linesmen?
Why at this level do these incidents not get brought to the refs attention. It just adds to the frustration and then usually the forward starts to do the same back. Quite often its only then that the umpires or ref does something and books the two of them.

I've actually noticed Stevie this year seems to have a bit more mettle and can give as good as he's getting with a bit more cuteness in how not to get caught. I really would love to see umpires and linesmen deal with this behaviour much more and less of this shite "Ah its part and parcel of the game" RUBBISH.

Don't worry lads from other counties. I know you'll say its rich us poor Tyronies complaining as we do our fair share of it but I'm only saying I'd like to see it reported more and those be punished rather than just accepting it.

The other thing that a lot of fans seem to never contemplate is how they represent their county outside of it. I've heard from several men from different counties about the spitting incident and how we're a disgrace. To some fans this is not a big deal and sure look at their tactics on the pitch but unless we all make this behaviour totally unaccepted by one and all then it will continue to happen.

I'd love to see our county board put something in place where we can identify similar situations and get these individuals punished in some way. Of course every county has it's fair share of assholes but we in Tyrone are definitely up there with the worst of them.
I know its not a topic we like to bring up again but do we just continue to brush it under the carpet again and hope it doesn't rise again.
The bad feeling between Donegal & Tyrone is definitely growing and as a lot of Tyrone people go to Donegal for weekend nightclubs etc it could get much worse over the years to come.

Good post.

Wasn't aware of any bad feeling between our counties! Haven't been home in a few years however!

Quote from: J70 on March 06, 2013, 08:19:04 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2013, 03:27:57 PM

Quote from: Nally Stand on March 06, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Constantly clipping, pulling, elbowing, dragging, mouthing etc at O'Neill, right up to (and after) the final whistle. Neil Gallagher was almost as bad, but at least he (eventually) got lined.

Are the umpires now wired up the ref now or just the linesmen?
Why at this level do these incidents not get brought to the refs attention. It just adds to the frustration and then usually the forward starts to do the same back. Quite often its only then that the umpires or ref does something and books the two of them.

I've actually noticed Stevie this year seems to have a bit more mettle and can give as good as he's getting with a bit more cuteness in how not to get caught. I really would love to see umpires and linesmen deal with this behaviour much more and less of this shite "Ah its part and parcel of the game" RUBBISH.

Don't worry lads from other counties. I know you'll say its rich us poor Tyronies complaining as we do our fair share of it but I'm only saying I'd like to see it reported more and those be punished rather than just accepting it.

The other thing that a lot of fans seem to never contemplate is how they represent their county outside of it. I've heard from several men from different counties about the spitting incident and how we're a disgrace. To some fans this is not a big deal and sure look at their tactics on the pitch but unless we all make this behaviour totally unaccepted by one and all then it will continue to happen.

I'd love to see our county board put something in place where we can identify similar situations and get these individuals punished in some way. Of course every county has it's fair share of assholes but we in Tyrone are definitely up there with the worst of them.
I know its not a topic we like to bring up again but do we just continue to brush it under the carpet again and hope it doesn't rise again.
The bad feeling between Donegal & Tyrone is definitely growing and as a lot of Tyrone people go to Donegal for weekend nightclubs etc it could get much worse over the years to come.

Good post.

Wasn't aware of any bad feeling between our counties! Haven't been home in a few years however!

I live here in Tyrone and was not aware of it! Does not exist IMO. Local rivals yes but no more than any other county..

Yeah, I'd be surprised.

I'm sure there'll be the odd bit of aggro between drunken lads on Saturday night in The Abbey in Donegal Town, and plenty of inflamed passions during games, but that's to be expected.

Quote from: EC Unique on March 06, 2013, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: Fuzzman on March 06, 2013, 11:51:29 AM
EC where do you think is Petey's best position?
Where would he rather play himself? Did he line out at FF a few times for ye?

I heard a few lads saying that McGee was punching Stevie off the ball all day trying to get a reaction.
Did anyone else see that?

He was very effective for us last year at number 6. That is fine at club level I'm not sure at county. FF is not his position IMO as one of his best qualities is running at teams with the ball. I actually would like to see him tried at midfield as he can attack and defend when required, he is physical enough and has a fantastic engine.

After Tyrones problems in midfield over the years, you think Mickey should try a man shy of 6ft in there? Come on man pull yourself together. Peter Harte is a quality player but needs to be deployed in the half back line like he is for club and province. Here he will be constantly involved and the foundation to the majority of Tyrones attacks.

I don't think the bad feeling between the two has got too bad as yet but I am just saying it could be growing in the years ahead.
Like Donegal have had to listen to us all during the 00's and naturally enough they wanted to get in on the action themselves.
Now they've beaten us the last two year and are current AI champions so all I'm saying is the rivalry is already there and both have got loads of young lads who like their drink.

I know quite a lot of Tyrone lads would go to Letterkenny or Ballybofey at weekends & Donegal locals aren't too keen on them. So I'm just saying should we beat them this May and a group of drunken Tyrone lads go on the lash down there it could be interesting.

Ahhhh maybe I'm just getting old and miserable.
The big 40 today.

Happy birthday lad!!

Happy birthday Fuzz!  Can't believe you're 40. 

But you are just getting old and miserable.  Sure Strabane DC kept up the jerseys on the Tinnies long after September (until the DUP demanded they be taken down) so the feeling can't be too bad on our side of the Mourne/Finn/Foyle. 

No bad blood between Donegal & Tyrone:

http://strabanechronicle.com/2013/03/strabne-artists-do-their-bit-for-the-gathering/

:)

Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 07, 2013, 04:04:30 PM
No bad blood between Donegal & Tyrone:

http://strabanechronicle.com/2013/03/strabne-artists-do-their-bit-for-the-gathering/

:)

You mustn't have ever tried walking from across the Lifford Bridge on a Friday night, they would throw you over it if they got the chance.

Quote from: nrico2006 on March 07, 2013, 04:48:42 PM
You mustn't have ever tried walking from across the Lifford Bridge on a Friday night, they would throw you over it if they got the chance.

Plenty of Saturday nights, when the Pink Paradiso was in its pomp!  ;)