The IRISH RUGBY thread

[deiseach]

But you made a statement based on what O Connell said. If you had put up the article, said nothing and I then commented critically on the article you would then be entitled to say "Dont shoot the messenger"

But you delivered your own verdict hence the response "dont shoot the messenger" makes no sense!

I don't think I misrepresented O'Connell's position, and the fact you need to make assumptions that he must have made an apology without any evidence of one suggests to me that his stated position is not a flattering one. Still, I did editorialise (and am doing it again!) so I take your point.

[The Burner]

But you made a statement based on what O Connell said. If you had put up the article, said nothing and I then commented critically on the article you would then be entitled to say "Dont shoot the messenger"

But you delivered your own verdict hence the response "dont shoot the messenger" makes no sense!

I don't think I misrepresented O'Connell's position, and the fact you need to make assumptions that he must have made an apology without any evidence of one suggests to me that his stated position is not a flattering one. Still, I did editorialise (and am doing it again!) so I take your point.

Well he did check on his welfare in the immediate aftermath of the incident. As for you not misrepresenting O Connell' position, perhaps you havent, but you will also have to consider that he may have been responding to the question "Were you worried about a possible citing?" In which case i dont really see anything wrong with what he has said. Like you said its based on assumptions but by the same token you could be misrepresenting O Connell because we dont exactly know what question he was asked.

[seafoid]

Eddie Moroney on Kearney and O Connell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7SyDhZlV8Y&feature=youtu.be

A very dirty kick by the looks of it

[AZOffaly]

It was reckless and I'm surprised and relieved he wasn't cited so he would at least explain himself. However, I do have to say that in my opinion it was in no way intentional or dirty, and I would also say that O'Connells first reaction was to go to the injured player and check on him. He was there quite a while too.

I'm quite sure he was relieved he wasn't cited, and was worried he would be, but it's unfair to suggest that was his primary concern.

The reaction of the Leinster lads on the field told a lot too in my opinion, including that of Cullen. I think Schmidt's and Cullen's remarks since then are in direct response to Penney opening his big trap. The more I see of him the less I like him to be honest. From his bullshit self protection a couple of weeks ago to this needless stoking of the fires. He should have just counted his blessings and moved on.

[Dinny Breen]

There's going to be no show like a Joe show.

Backroom team make-up will be interesting.

[Hound]

There's going to be no show like a Joe show.

Backroom team make-up will be interesting.

100% ?

That's impressively early Dinny. Don't see it anywhere else

[Dinny Breen]

There's going to be no show like a Joe show.

Backroom team make-up will be interesting.

100% ?

That's impressively early Dinny. Don't see it anywhere else

Contract signed as far as I am aware.

[orangeman]

This nearly merits a thread on its own.



RONAN O'GARA played his last game for Munster in Saturday's Heineken Cup semi-final loss to Clermont Auvergne.



The 36-year-old out-half will delay an announcement for a number of weeks but after 110 Heineken Cup games and 1,395 points and a record 128 international caps for Ireland, he is believed to be keen to explore new career options.

Those options include pursuing a coaching role away from Munster as he believes he needs to experience other rugby cultures before realising his ultimate goal of becoming Munster's head coach one day.

Munster, though, are keen to convince him to keep playing for one more season. They have offered him a one-year contract and coach Rob Penney emphasised the desire to keep his star out-half. "Rog will be a part of Munster for as long as he wants to be," he said.

O'Gara was in outstanding form against Clermont and, in particular, he kicked beautifully. He also managed the game expertly and turned over a couple of balls at the breakdown. It was no surprise Penney was generous in his praise of the player afterwards.

"He loves the big moments obviously and he's been great for us. Since he's come back from Ireland he's had a clear image of what he's trying to achieve, and what he wants to do.

"He's such a passionate Munster man," he said.

[mouview]

Ho hum.

[Celt_Man]

Schmidt confirmed as new Gaffer!! Excellent!

[Celt_Man]

Press Conference will be streamed Live at 4pm today


http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/29025.php

The Irish Rugby Football Union today officially announced the appointment of Joe Schmidt as Ireland head coach.
A media conference welcoming Joe Schmidt, Ireland's newly-appointed head coach, will be streamed live today at 4pm on www.irishrugby.ie.

[muppet]

Great appointment.

Really looking forward to seeing where he brings us. He had a funny start at Leinster but he certainly did his stuff at the business end of the season and may also do it again this season.

[Dinny Breen]

Great appointment.

Really looking forward to seeing where he brings us. He had a funny start at Leinster but he certainly did his stuff at the business end of the season and may also do it again this season.

George Hook made an eejit out of himself over that start as for the appointment

[Bord na Mona man]

All evidence points to Schmidt being the right man, though perhaps getting the job a year later than he should have.

Someone was annoyed earlier on the topic about Schmidt's candid comments about the Paul O'Connell incident.
That sort of straight shooting is standard in the Southern hemisphere. They don't yerra, so we'd better get used to it.

It will be a big change from Declan Kidney, who was some man for the evasive interviews.
Every defeat regardless of misfortunate, abjectness or awfulness was blandly described as "they took their opportunities and we didn't". It was always about having to "looking at the video and learning where we went wrong"....4 years into the job!

[trileacman]

All evidence points to Schmidt being the right man, though perhaps getting the job a year later than he should have.

Someone was annoyed earlier on the topic about Schmidt's candid comments about the Paul O'Connell incident.
That sort of straight shooting is standard in the Southern hemisphere. They don't yerra, so we'd better get used to it.

It will be a big change from Declan Kidney, who was some man for the evasive interviews.
Every defeat regardless of misfortunate, abjectness or awfulness was blandly described as "they took their opportunities and we didn't". It was always about having to "looking at the video and learning where we went wrong"....4 years into the job!

To be fair it wasn't Kidneys job to entertain you with "candid comments" in the wake of a defeat so I doesn't matter what he said after a match. It's a manager's job to tow the party line after a defeat and not go around blaming all in front of him.

The flipside of the Kidney approach is the Lievermont school of thought where you go around blaming all asunder and calling them "cowards", thereby gaining favour with some middle aged hacks and alienating yourself from the players you're meant to be leading. I know I would prefer my coach to be at the Kidney end of the spectrum, displaying a level of decorum. If people don't want to see evasive interviews then they should just stop interviewing evasive managers.