4th year in a row ... hope it's not getting too boring for the rest if Connacht.
Ros are outsiders with bookies/punters at 9/4.
We were bigger outsiders last week ;).
I see it as 50/50 all depending on who gets more things right on the day, not to mention the bounce of the ball or indeed Ref/Umpiring decisions.
We certainly didn't get the latter Saturday.
I fancy Rossies this time round. They are well set up, have runners in key positions and have quality finishers that they didnt have before. Cox has been a revelation. Rossies by 2
If you'd have told someone on the evening of July 19th 2015 when Mayo put 6-25 past Sligo to win their fifth Connacht title in a row that the next four Connacht finals would all be contested between Galway and Roscommon it would have seemed an unbelievably fanciful tale - yet here we are.
If both teams play to 2019 championship form so far then Galway will be in more than a bit of bother but although the injury situation for some important players seems like it's very slow to resolve, I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement from Galway for the final, it's certainly required to have any aspirations on retaining the title.
It'll be very interesting to see what is the starting fifteen that actually plays for Galway in the final, particularly around who will be the midfield partner for Flynn (FOC injured in club action at the weekend by the sounds of it, Cooke didn't play), who will be in goals, who will be full forward (we cannot line out with the same FF line as against Sligo, it didn't work) and most importantly in my opinion, who will line out in the half back positions on the team.
Rossies looked good at times in the semi-final, they are setup as a team differently from the McStay regime and Cox looks to be a massive addition as a focal point and scorer up front, the impact from the bench was also really noticeable although Enda Smith will surely start on June 16th.
Although I strongly disagree with Liam McHale's assertion that Roscommon should have won 3 Connacht titles in a row from 16-18 they certainly have no fear of Galway and have a reasonable recent record against us. I expected to see Mayo in opposition but I don't think there's any chance whatsoever that Galway will take Roscommon for granted in the final given the past 4 years of championship matches.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 29, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
If you'd have told someone on the evening of July 19th 2015 when Mayo put 6-25 past Sligo to win their fifth Connacht title in a row that the next four Connacht finals would all be contested between Galway and Roscommon it would have seemed an unbelievably fanciful tale - yet here we are.
If both teams play to 2019 championship form so far then Galway will be in more than a bit of bother but although the injury situation for some important players seems like it's very slow to resolve, I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement from Galway for the final, it's certainly required to have any aspirations on retaining the title.
It'll be very interesting to see what is the starting fifteen that actually plays for Galway in the final, particularly around who will be the midfield partner for Flynn (FOC injured in club action at the weekend by the sounds of it, Cooke didn't play), who will be in goals, who will be full forward (we cannot line out with the same FF line as against Sligo, it didn't work) and most importantly in my opinion, who will line out in the half back positions on the team.
Rossies looked good at times in the semi-final, they are setup as a team differently from the McStay regime and Cox looks to be a massive addition as a focal point and scorer up front, the impact from the bench was also really noticeable although Enda Smith will surely start on June 16th.
Although I strongly disagree with Liam McHale's assertion that Roscommon should have won 3 Connacht titles in a row from 16-18 they certainly have no fear of Galway and have a reasonable recent record against us. I expected to see Mayo in opposition but I don't think there's any chance whatsoever that Galway will take Roscommon for granted in the final given the past 4 years of championship matches.
FOC's injury has come at a bad time for us with Cooke, Duggan and Conroy having all been out injured for a long time.
Conroy played for his club at the weekend (kicked 1-5 from play from what I hear) but it's hard to imagine he would be fit enough for a starting berth in a Connacht final after such a long lay off. Neither Cooke nor Duggan featured for Moycullen/Annaghdown.
It's very hard to know who we will play there if Fiontain doesn't recover in time - D'Arcy not up to that level not yet anyway and we don't have any other midfielders in the panel.
Michael Day would be a decent shout as an emergency option/cover if needed - he's well up to it as he showed at underage in the past (although tweaked a hammer at the weekend I believe).
Kieran Molloy came on as a sub for Corofin.
I can't see any change in goal - Power was solid the last day - or in the full backline.
Half back line very much depends on injuries and match fitness (Molloy, Sean Kelly, McDaid).
Up front it is hard to overstate how badly Comer is missed in the ff line. The 3 the last day were all small lads - you'd imagine we could do with a ball winner in there.
I think both Cummins and O'Laoi will come under pressure.
Heaney, Walsh, Burke, Daly are certs to start imo.
Farragher could be given the number 14 jersey yet.
Walsh could be played inside either.
Lots of question marks unfortunately
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 29, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
Although I strongly disagree with Liam McHale's assertion that Roscommon should have won 3 Connacht titles in a row from 16-18 they certainly have no fear of Galway and have a reasonable recent record against us.
McHale has really gone into the group with David Brady as laughing stock radio analysts with those couple of interviews he did. Its a wonder how newstalk can keep justifying using them. He has an agenda against Galway. Even besides those ridiculous comments above, he doubled down on the assertion that Mayo would be at least semi finalists after the weekend, said previously that Galway would have to expand to even be in with a chance of beating one of the TOP teams such as Mayo Kerry etc (despite having beaten and got further than both last year) and left Galway out of his list of Dublin challengers, including the likes of Donegal
Quote from: galwayman on May 29, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 29, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
If you'd have told someone on the evening of July 19th 2015 when Mayo put 6-25 past Sligo to win their fifth Connacht title in a row that the next four Connacht finals would all be contested between Galway and Roscommon it would have seemed an unbelievably fanciful tale - yet here we are.
If both teams play to 2019 championship form so far then Galway will be in more than a bit of bother but although the injury situation for some important players seems like it's very slow to resolve, I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement from Galway for the final, it's certainly required to have any aspirations on retaining the title.
It'll be very interesting to see what is the starting fifteen that actually plays for Galway in the final, particularly around who will be the midfield partner for Flynn (FOC injured in club action at the weekend by the sounds of it, Cooke didn't play), who will be in goals, who will be full forward (we cannot line out with the same FF line as against Sligo, it didn't work) and most importantly in my opinion, who will line out in the half back positions on the team.
Rossies looked good at times in the semi-final, they are setup as a team differently from the McStay regime and Cox looks to be a massive addition as a focal point and scorer up front, the impact from the bench was also really noticeable although Enda Smith will surely start on June 16th.
Although I strongly disagree with Liam McHale's assertion that Roscommon should have won 3 Connacht titles in a row from 16-18 they certainly have no fear of Galway and have a reasonable recent record against us. I expected to see Mayo in opposition but I don't think there's any chance whatsoever that Galway will take Roscommon for granted in the final given the past 4 years of championship matches.
FOC's injury has come at a bad time for us with Cooke, Duggan and Conroy having all been out injured for a long time.
Conroy played for his club at the weekend (kicked 1-5 from play from what I hear) but it's hard to imagine he would be fit enough for a starting berth in a Connacht final after such a long lay off. Neither Cooke nor Duggan featured for Moycullen/Annaghdown.
It's very hard to know who we will play there if Fiontain doesn't recover in time - D'Arcy not up to that level not yet anyway and we don't have any other midfielders in the panel.
Michael Day would be a decent shout as an emergency option/cover if needed - he's well up to it as he showed at underage in the past (although tweaked a hammer at the weekend I believe).
Kieran Molloy came on as a sub for Corofin.
I can't see any change in goal - Power was solid the last day - or in the full backline.
Half back line very much depends on injuries and match fitness (Molloy, Sean Kelly, McDaid).
Up front it is hard to overstate how badly Comer is missed in the ff line. The 3 the last day were all small lads - you'd imagine we could do with a ball winner in there.
I think both Cummins and O'Laoi will come under pressure.
Heaney, Walsh, Burke, Daly are certs to start imo.
Farragher could be given the number 14 jersey yet.
Walsh could be played inside either.
Lots of question marks unfortunately
I can definitely envisage a change in the full back line, albiet its probably for the worst. Kyne is back in full training and has been an ever present for Walsh since 2016. I can see the same full back line as last year with Silke at wing back. He'll see that as an easy solution, as I doubt he'll play Molloy now after getting injured so early vs Sligo.
Midfield is similar to Kyne to an extent. He certainly trusts Conroy, and probably Duggan and FOC to a lesser degree. Whichever player can probably give him 50 mins will likely start, with one of the other walking wounded in reserve to take his place. A flier here is Cillian McDaid, who he clearly loves, could possibly be tasked with a third midfielder/ working half forward role. Ditto Heaney, who tbf has actually been named as a midfielder in the past.
That would leave 4 or 5 forwards, with Daly, Walsh and Burke as certs. Cant see him risking Comer, who unlike Kyne etc is way too valuable going forward. My guess would be Brannigan, interchanging with Walsh in the FF and HF lines
Quote from: Manning18 on May 29, 2019, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 29, 2019, 05:05:27 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on May 29, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
If you'd have told someone on the evening of July 19th 2015 when Mayo put 6-25 past Sligo to win their fifth Connacht title in a row that the next four Connacht finals would all be contested between Galway and Roscommon it would have seemed an unbelievably fanciful tale - yet here we are.
If both teams play to 2019 championship form so far then Galway will be in more than a bit of bother but although the injury situation for some important players seems like it's very slow to resolve, I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll see an improvement from Galway for the final, it's certainly required to have any aspirations on retaining the title.
It'll be very interesting to see what is the starting fifteen that actually plays for Galway in the final, particularly around who will be the midfield partner for Flynn (FOC injured in club action at the weekend by the sounds of it, Cooke didn't play), who will be in goals, who will be full forward (we cannot line out with the same FF line as against Sligo, it didn't work) and most importantly in my opinion, who will line out in the half back positions on the team.
Rossies looked good at times in the semi-final, they are setup as a team differently from the McStay regime and Cox looks to be a massive addition as a focal point and scorer up front, the impact from the bench was also really noticeable although Enda Smith will surely start on June 16th.
Although I strongly disagree with Liam McHale's assertion that Roscommon should have won 3 Connacht titles in a row from 16-18 they certainly have no fear of Galway and have a reasonable recent record against us. I expected to see Mayo in opposition but I don't think there's any chance whatsoever that Galway will take Roscommon for granted in the final given the past 4 years of championship matches.
FOC's injury has come at a bad time for us with Cooke, Duggan and Conroy having all been out injured for a long time.
Conroy played for his club at the weekend (kicked 1-5 from play from what I hear) but it's hard to imagine he would be fit enough for a starting berth in a Connacht final after such a long lay off. Neither Cooke nor Duggan featured for Moycullen/Annaghdown.
It's very hard to know who we will play there if Fiontain doesn't recover in time - D'Arcy not up to that level not yet anyway and we don't have any other midfielders in the panel.
Michael Day would be a decent shout as an emergency option/cover if needed - he's well up to it as he showed at underage in the past (although tweaked a hammer at the weekend I believe).
Kieran Molloy came on as a sub for Corofin.
I can't see any change in goal - Power was solid the last day - or in the full backline.
Half back line very much depends on injuries and match fitness (Molloy, Sean Kelly, McDaid).
Up front it is hard to overstate how badly Comer is missed in the ff line. The 3 the last day were all small lads - you'd imagine we could do with a ball winner in there.
I think both Cummins and O'Laoi will come under pressure.
Heaney, Walsh, Burke, Daly are certs to start imo.
Farragher could be given the number 14 jersey yet.
Walsh could be played inside either.
Lots of question marks unfortunately
I can definitely envisage a change in the full back line, albiet its probably for the worst. Kyne is back in full training and has been an ever present for Walsh since 2016. I can see the same full back line as last year with Silke at wing back. He'll see that as an easy solution, as I doubt he'll play Molloy now after getting injured so early vs Sligo.
Midfield is similar to Kyne to an extent. He certainly trusts Conroy, and probably Duggan and FOC to a lesser degree. Whichever player can probably give him 50 mins will likely start, with one of the other walking wounded in reserve to take his place. A flier here is Cillian McDaid, who he clearly loves, could possibly be tasked with a third midfielder/ working half forward role. Ditto Heaney, who tbf has actually been named as a midfielder in the past.
That would leave 4 or 5 forwards, with Daly, Walsh and Burke as certs. Cant see him risking Comer, who unlike Kyne etc is way too valuable going forward. My guess would be Brannigan, interchanging with Walsh in the FF and HF lines
I honestly can't see Kyne getting in for the Connacht final as he is literally just back training and hasn't played any game at all yet from what I've heard (could be wrong about that though).
He should be on the bench though
Just can't see Kyne starting, he's been out too long and missed far too many games. Midfield is a worry, I like D'Arcy but just don't think he's ready to start against a 1st division team although with all the injuries he's running out of options.
If Mayo had won I'd like to have seen Shane Walsh play full forward, Mayo would have given more space but that won't happen against Roscommon and his ability to break lines and kick scores from distance are going to be important. I know Cummins has had 2 poor games but I'd start him of ahead O'Laoi, obviously he's not tall but he does offer that bit of physicality that O'Laoi lacks alternatively Farragher and Burke have played a lot together which can't be discounted but not convinced Kevin Walsh is a fan of him yet; Think he'll have to do a bit more than a few minutes against Sligo to get a start in a big game.
If Sean Kelly is fit he'll play him in the half forwards, he clearly has great faith in and his ability to get up and down the pitch will be crucial. Its hard to see anything other than a very low scoring game given the way both teams will set up.
It comes as no surprise but Damien Comer himself has confirmed that he is out of the Connacht final and it also sounds like he'll be doing well to make the squad for either Round 4 of the qualifiers or Round 1 of the Super 8s.
It's crucial that Galway get the FF position sorted out a bit better for the Rossies, people (with some justification) give out about Comer's overall scoring record and his lack of vision to bring other players into the game but it's plain to see that Galway have badly missed his presence up front in terms of ball winning ability and drawing attention away from the other attackers which presents them with more favourable situations during a match.
Galway football captain Damien Comer has acknowledged he will probably run out of time to be ready for the Connacht final against Roscommon next month.
Comer has been laid up since Christmas when he fractured a bone in his ankle playing a local charity soccer match on St Stephen's Day.
An initial diagnosis did not pick up the fracture and it was only when he had a second scan that the trouble was detected, resulting in surgery 12 weeks ago.
Having missed the games against London and Sligo in the Connacht Championship, Comer is now resigned to sitting out the Roscommon game in Pearse Stadium on Sunday, June 16.
"I think the Connacht final might come a bit soon but I'd be hoping to be back for whatever comes after that," he said.
"It's getting there. It's taking a bit of time but I'm back doing a small bit of straight line running now. I'm playing a waiting game now."
Comer, speaking at the launch of Supervalu's All-Ireland football championship sponsorship, admitted he was still feeling some pain and feels he needs to give the injury more time.
"I'm going through the pain threshold, I'm not giving myself time. If I can get through it and there is no pain then I know I'll be ready to go. At the moment I'm working with the physios and they'll guide me as to how much I will do.
"It's frustrating, especially this time of year. It's hard enough during the league but when you see championship being played you just want to be part of it. I have to bide my time and respect my body," he cautioned.
Comer headed a long list of Galway injuries during the league but he is now at the back of the queue in terms of being ready to play matches again.
Even Paul Conroy, who suffered two broken legs in a collision while playing against Kerry in the opening 'super eight' game last year, is closer.
To be honest it sounds like Comer is a fair bit off yet. The Super 8's might be a more realistic target if they even get that far.
Personally I think Roscommon are slight favourites. Galway will have no Comer and are struggling for fit midfielders apart from Flynn. FOC was the only senior midfielder available against Sligo and he went off injured in the club championship last weekend. Comer even if he's not scoring heavily attracts the attention of opposition defenders because you are taking a big risk leaving him one on one. Defenders tend to drift towards him in order to help out his marker which opens a little space for the other forwards. And Galway have no like for like replacement for him really. You would be putting in a very different player in there. You can lorry ball into Comer and he'll either win it or break it. Build up without him will have to be more precise.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 30, 2019, 02:41:47 PM
To be honest it sounds like Comer is a fair bit off yet. The Super 8's might be a more realistic target if they even get that far.
Personally I think Roscommon are slight favourites. Galway will have no Comer and are struggling for fit midfielders apart from Flynn. FOC was the only senior midfielder available against Sligo and he went off injured in the club championship last weekend. Comer even if he's not scoring heavily attracts the attention of opposition defenders because you are taking a big risk leaving him one on one. Defenders tend to drift towards him in order to help out his marker which opens a little space for the other forwards. And Galway have no like for like replacement for him really. You would be putting in a very different player in there.
Would agree on the odds, don't see why Galway are 4/9 given all the players they'll likely have missing and then a a few others like Kyne, McDaid & Brannigan who'll have barely kicked a ball this year between them and then there's the issue of the full forward line.
Farragher has to seriously come into the reckoning for the FF position given Comers absence at this stage. We just cannot go with the same FF line we used against Sligo as it just didn't work. Farraghers familiarity in playing with Burke alongside him with Corofin would be useful also and maybe not the risk it appears given his limited Galway appearances.
Lads the odds are about right. Galway have already beaten Roscommon well this year, will be at home for this final,won the Connacht final in Hyde Park last summer and that was final Comer was marked out of it until the 69th minute.
Liam Silke,John Daly are big additions to the Galway defence this year and Molloy,McDaid has huge potential. A likely midfield pairing of Tom Flynn, Michael Daly will be a stronger pairing than Roscommon's.
Ian Burke, Shane Walsh will be the go to forwards and Martin Farragher who likely be given a start for this final and a player of his ability could be a real handful for Roscommon's defence.
Sure Corofin would probable beat Roscommon
there are a lot of good footballers in Galway
Not sure home advantage is much of an advantage in Connacht. I doubt Mayo feel many home comforts in MacHale Park these days. Galway the same in Salthill. Without checking I'd venture our away record has been just as good the past few years. Maybe better. And probably the similiar for Roscommon in the Hyde even though it was closed for a while there.
Galway went off 2/5 and a 3 point handicap in Hyde park last year and it played out that way. Switch the venues (albiet doesn't affect it massively), Galway add Silke and lose Comer, Ros much diff, maybe on a par or slightly stronger, about even on results so far this year (Ros relegated but nabbed one vs Mayo). Not sure how anyone could argue it should be bigger than the best available 8/15 there at the moment anyway. I'd rather be a backer than layer at that. Will go off 1/2 and -2.5
Ros have a better record against Galway than against Mayo , which is strange . I would have thought the records would be similar.
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Ros have a better record against Galway than against Mayo , which is strange . I would have thought the records would be similar.
Ros have a great record in Tuam for some reason
Comer says he doesn't think he will be fit for the Connacht Final
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/galway-captain-damien-comer-unlikely-to-make-connacht-final-1.3909623
Id love to know for what reason or nonsense meant Comer didn't have surgery for a full 3 weeks after being diagnosed with the fracture. They knew at that stage it'd be touch and go for championship as it was. Would a situation ever occur like that in Dublin or Kerry, teams theyre supposed to be competing against
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Ros have a better record against Galway than against Mayo , which is strange . I would have thought the records would be similar.
Roscommon have beaten us twice since 1990 across all league and championship meetings.
How is that a better record than against Mayo?
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Ros have a better record against Galway than against Mayo , which is strange . I would have thought the records would be similar.
In modern times, they are fairly similar. Until 2017, Ros had not beaten Galway in championship football since 2001, same year, they last beat Mayo. And before 2001, had not beaten Galway since 1990, and Mayo since 1991. It was a pretty dismal record.
Quote from: galwayman on May 30, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Ros have a better record against Galway than against Mayo , which is strange . I would have thought the records would be similar.
Roscommon have beaten us twice since 1990 across all league and championship meetings.
How is that a better record than against Mayo?
The bould Willie Hegarty said something similar on Second Captains this week. Basically that Roscommon are usually competitive against Galway but shit the bed so to speak against Mayo. Not sure that stands up to close scrutiny though.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 30, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 30, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Ros have a better record against Galway than against Mayo , which is strange . I would have thought the records would be similar.
Roscommon have beaten us twice since 1990 across all league and championship meetings.
How is that a better record than against Mayo?
The bould Willie Hegarty said something similar on Second Captains this week. Basically that Roscommon are usually competitive against Galway but shit the bed so to speak against Mayo. Not sure that stands up to close scrutiny though.
It doesn't but was probably coloured by fact that Ros drew and in the replay were beaten only after extra time by the All-Ireland winning team of 98 and beat the winning team of 2001 in Connacht.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 30, 2019, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: galwayman on May 30, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2019, 03:54:14 PM
Ros have a better record against Galway than against Mayo , which is strange . I would have thought the records would be similar.
Roscommon have beaten us twice since 1990 across all league and championship meetings.
How is that a better record than against Mayo?
The bould Willie Hegarty said something similar on Second Captains this week. Basically that Roscommon are usually competitive against Galway but shit the bed so to speak against Mayo. Not sure that stands up to close scrutiny though.
Ros have been below historic performance levels recently
According to this buck the Connacht Final head to head record is 10-8
in favour of Galway
https://m.facebook.com/galwayfootballers/posts/1930256467007971
Comer will be playing on June 16.
It's a nice ploy to take some focus off Galway as favourites.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2019, 10:52:40 AM
Comer will be playing on June 16.
It's a nice ploy to take some focus off Galway as favourites.
Not a chance
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2019, 10:52:40 AM
Comer will be playing on June 16.
It's a nice ploy to take some focus off Galway as favourites.
Have a feeling he will be introduced off the bench. Even without him Galway are firm favourites, they have got the required results all year with a few injuries (comfortably stayed up in Div 1) but it helps when you arguably have the strongest panel in Connacht to choose from.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 31, 2019, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 31, 2019, 10:52:40 AM
Comer will be playing on June 16.
It's a nice ploy to take some focus off Galway as favourites.
Have a feeling he will be introduced off the bench. Even without him Galway are firm favourites, they have got the required results all year with a few injuries (comfortably stayed up in Div 1) but it helps when you arguably have the strongest panel in Connacht to choose from.
Would agree he will more than likely be on the bench
Martin farragher 99.9% to start,all depends how good or bad things are going,would provide a huge lift to the crowd and the team,just to come on for ten minutes.8
Galway panel away on a bonding weekend better spell "bonding" right,
jeez I'm sure they are watching the champions league final maybe a beer or two??🍺🍺
Hope they bond as well as Mayo did on their training camp in NY.
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 01, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
Hope they bond as well as Mayo did on their training camp in NY.
Obsessed
Quote from: larryin89 on June 01, 2019, 09:06:27 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 01, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
Hope they bond as well as Mayo did on their training camp in NY.
Obsessed
Are you really obsessed larryin, I know a lad that can help you with that. ;D
McStay in the examiner......."In my own bailiwick, things have taken a surprising turn. Galway-Roscommon is a fixture for the fourth year in a row but – because of the draw in 2016 – also the fifth final in those four years. It is a rivalry that has become very hard to read. The draw in 2016 was in the balance and Roscommon had chances to win it. In 2017, Galway were favourites and were well beaten."
"In 2018, Galway were again expected to win and having been there, I can say that Roscommon had that game won but for a few small breaks. It is a contest of fine margins despite the bookies' sense of it." He says he expects Roscommon to come through as champions.
You'd have to wonder what kind of delusional supper time chatter himself and Liam McHale were using to reassure themselves for the last few years, with the nonsense thats come out from each in the last 2 weeks. Just because you draw a game doesnt mean you automatically shouldve won it. Roscommon stole a draw in 16, Galway kicked chances away and Flynn and Walsh messed up the easiest chance of all time to win it near the death. Hammered Ros in the replay. He thinks Roscommon had the 2018 meeting "won but for a few small breaks". A few "small breaks" that allowed Galway to win by a full 4 points in a low scoring game, even despite a sucker punch penalty against the run of play. Surely what happened in the Super 8s afterwards confirmed the relative standings of both sides? In the fairylands of McHale and McStay, Roscommon are going for 4 in a row in Connacht. We should really let the world know of such dominance
17 seems to have slipped you memory :D
McStay in full flow all over the media these days!!
Nicely overlooking the fact that he wouldn't select certain players who would have strengthened the team in 2018.
Meanwhile we still wait for Galway's long promised (since 2015 anyway) World domination.
17 was a well deserved Roscommon victory. But I don't see Paddy Tally Or Brian Silke or the likes on saying Galway should be going for their 4th Connacht in a row, nobody is deluded enough to dispute 17. Its very ironic that McStay is on thinking he or Ros were unlucky, when they got drawn against Leitrim in 2 years to make those finals, Sligo the other year and made the Super 8s last year by getting beaten by Galway and beating D3 Armagh
Quote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2019, 02:24:32 PM
McStay in the examiner......."In my own bailiwick, things have taken a surprising turn. Galway-Roscommon is a fixture for the fourth year in a row but – because of the draw in 2016 – also the fifth final in those four years. It is a rivalry that has become very hard to read. The draw in 2016 was in the balance and Roscommon had chances to win it. In 2017, Galway were favourites and were well beaten."
"In 2018, Galway were again expected to win and having been there, I can say that Roscommon had that game won but for a few small breaks. It is a contest of fine margins despite the bookies' sense of it." He says he expects Roscommon to come through as champions.
You'd have to wonder what kind of delusional supper time chatter himself and Liam McHale were using to reassure themselves for the last few years, with the nonsense thats come out from each in the last 2 weeks. Just because you draw a game doesnt mean you automatically shouldve won it. Roscommon stole a draw in 16, Galway kicked chances away and Flynn and Walsh messed up the easiest chance of all time to win it near the death. Hammered Ros in the replay. He thinks Roscommon had the 2018 meeting "won but for a few small breaks". A few "small breaks" that allowed Galway to win by a full 4 points in a low scoring game, even despite a sucker punch penalty against the run of play. Surely what happened in the Super 8s afterwards confirmed the relative standings of both sides? In the fairylands of McHale and McStay, Roscommon are going for 4 in a row in Connacht. We should really let the world know of such dominance
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-mayo-s-progress-to-super-8s-far-from-guaranteed-1.3913549
"Galway-Roscommon is a fixture for the fourth year in a row but – because of the draw in 2016 – also the fifth final in those four years. It is a rivalry that has become very hard to read. The draw in 2016 was in the balance and Roscommon had chances to win it. In 2017, Galway were favourites and were well beaten.
Only three Roscommon starters in the Mayo match also featured in last year's Connacht final
In 2018, Galway were again expected to win and having been there, I can say that Roscommon had that game won but for a few small breaks. It is a contest of fine margins despite the bookies' sense of it.
Now, it looks like Damian Comer will be out for Galway and he is such a central figure in their attack. But for Roscommon, Niall McInerney, Cathal Compton and Ciarán Murtagh are also unavailable.
Tough test
In fact, only three Roscommon starters in the Mayo match also featured in last year's Connacht final. That is an extraordinary turnover of players. People rightly think of Roscommon as a small county. But there are 12 lads floating about this summer who started last year's final who won't start this year if Anthony Cunningham sticks with the same team. And in my time, I was also dealing with the issue of players not available.
So if you tease it out, the Roscommon bench against Mayo included Enda Smith, Conor Devanney, Diarmuid Murtagh, Brian Stack, Donie Smith and Fintan Cregg. Those substitutes, in terms of experience and know-how, were well ahead of what Mayo were bringing in to the same game.
That would be lost in terms of a general analysis of that match. So the Connacht final is not a one-sided contest from my point of view. I genuinely can't figure out Galway. I can't decide if they are a true All-Ireland contender or not or even confidently see them in the Super 8 series. This is a tough test for them.
Those wides have been a recurrent theme in Mayo football for the last 40 years
Things like the venue, the league and form have not really entered the equation between Galway and Roscommon. Already, what Roscommon have achieved this year in the championship is remarkable. And I still see the final as a 50-50 game and have no reason to believe they can't win it. They will be in a healthy position in that final.
The All-Ireland favourites, Dublin, will be in the Super 8 series. I believe Kerry, Tyrone and Roscommon will be provincial winners and so will join them. After that, fate and luck comes into it."
Quote from: Rossfan on June 04, 2019, 02:48:39 PM
17 seems to have slipped you memory :D
McStay in full flow all over the media these days!!
Nicely overlooking the fact that he wouldn't select certain players who would have strengthened the team in 2018.
One thing for sure is that if Ros win on the 16th they'll get full credit from Galway, beating both Mayo and Galway en route to win a Connacht title would demand it. Perhaps on reflection McStay and McHale might say the same thing about Galway being deserving winners after having to go through Mayo and Roscommon in 16 and 18 if they actually bothered to think on it with even a modicum of critical faculty. After a poor first half once Galway upped it in the second there was only one team in the match in the final last year, the Rossies shot execution went to hell altogether and the notion that
"Roscommon had that game won but for a few small breaks" is a nonsense.
I wouldn't argue with him that's it's very much a 50/50 final though, championship form lines to date favour Roscommon - if Mayo had somehow squeaked through the semi-final they'd be hot favourites to win the final - but Galway will surely up the performance level for the match.
QuoteMeanwhile we still wait for Galway's long promised (since 2015 anyway) World domination.
Don't know of anyone outside of Colm Parkinson who predicted an All Ireland (even he didn't stretch to "World domination") to come along for Galway in this era of Dublin pre-eminence but certainly correct me on that if you've any other examples.
Ye are all overlooking the Galway supporters narrative that they took their eye off the ball in 17, how disrespectful to Roscommon, I see Ros easy passage to the super 8 last year was mentioned but not the Galway blowout against Tipp in 16, one of the easiest quarter final draws since the back door began.
Disrespectful to Roscommon? How many of us are going around saying we deserved to win the last 3 Connacht titles? The answer is none because we were well beaten in 2017 and have to acknowledge that.
Meanwhile Roscommons management team for those years is making out like ye were robbed out of it in 2016 and 2018 somehow. Did Roscommon not have another opportunity to win the second day out in 2016 the same as Galway? What happened that day?
Between McHale, McStay, Brady and Maughan the shit talk from ex Mayo players is off the charts the last few weeks.
Luckily for both teams in the Connacht final anything that has happened prior to throw in in Salthill later this month won't matter when the ball is thrown in.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 04, 2019, 09:02:47 PM
Disrespectful to Roscommon? How many of us are going around saying we deserved to win the last 3 Connacht titles? The answer is none because we were well beaten in 2017 and have to acknowledge that.
Meanwhile Roscommons management team for those years is making out like ye were robbed out of it in 2016 and 2018 somehow. Did Roscommon not have another opportunity to win the second day out in 2016 the same as Galway? What happened that day?
Between McHale, McStay, Brady and Maughan the shit talk from ex Mayo players is off the charts the last few weeks.
Luckily for both teams in the Connacht final anything that has happened prior to throw in in Salthill later this month won't matter when the ball is thrown in.
I struggle to believe that any media outlet would actually pay money to David Brady for his "punditry".
He has to be the biggest jokeshop out there.
Whilst I disagree completely with McStay in this instance (re the shudda won 3 in a row shite) I actually like him as a pundit in general.
He's one of the better ones out there.
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 04, 2019, 08:28:59 PM
Ye are all overlooking the Galway supporters narrative that they took their eye off the ball in 17, how disrespectful to Roscommon, I see Ros easy passage to the super 8 last year was mentioned but not the Galway blowout against Tipp in 16, one of the easiest quarter final draws since the back door began.
That's a laughable comparison. Roscommon got beat in their one test, beat a D3 team. Galway in 2016 beat a top 3 team away from home, beat Ros and screwed up when the draw finally gave them a break. It's the irony of McHale insinuating he is as unlucky during his stint. He was a very lucky manager with how draws worked out. He wasn't unlucky in either final he lost and it's up to him to convince players to commit, not complain about it afterwards
Quote from: Manning18 on June 04, 2019, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 04, 2019, 08:28:59 PM
Ye are all overlooking the Galway supporters narrative that they took their eye off the ball in 17, how disrespectful to Roscommon, I see Ros easy passage to the super 8 last year was mentioned but not the Galway blowout against Tipp in 16, one of the easiest quarter final draws since the back door began.
That's a laughable comparison. Roscommon got beat in their one test, beat a D3 team. Galway in 2016 beat a top 3 team away from home, beat Ros and screwed up when the draw finally gave them a break. It's the irony of McHale insinuating he is as unlucky during his stint. He was a very lucky manager with how draws worked out. He wasn't unlucky in either final he lost and it's up to him to convince players to commit, not complain about it afterwards
Wouldn't disagree with that. McStay and McHale now need to get off the stage. Cunningham is a low key manager, what Ros need, and doesn't need this nonsense background noise. Besides the Galway of 2017 were a div 2 team that just got promoted. Since then they've had two solid years in Div 1 and an All-Ireland semi final appearance plus multiple defeats of Mayo. This is a much more formidable and mature outfit. They as I said earlier were by far the better team in 2016 and 2018.
Definitely want to get off the stage as far as trying to rewrite history is concerned.
They ended up as big failures with us so move on lads.
Keep ye're media gigs by all accounts but just talk about this year's Championship or formats or whatever but stop the self serving sh1te.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2019, 01:35:36 AM
Definitely want to get off the stage as far as trying to rewrite history is concerned.
They ended up as big failures with us so move on lads.
Keep ye're media gigs by all accounts but just talk about this year's Championship or formats or whatever but stop the self serving sh1te.
Agree absolutely with that last part - self serving is what it is 100%.
Kevin Walsh's selection problems are mounting in that he really does not know his best team in the a v b games the b team has being coming out on top,Martin farragher and rob finnerty are believed to be in flying form,whatever about finnerty definitley think farragher will start.
the Connacht final in 2018 was level up to about the 60th minute.
hardly getting beaten out the gate. the lack of defensive structure and ability to win any ball in midfield lost that game. same with the replay in 2016. all things McStay didn't work on
anyway, onto the game on June 16.
the weather will have a big bearing on it in Salthill. Will Galway open up a bit if they play with the breeze?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2019, 10:43:47 AM
anyway, onto the game on June 16.
the weather will have a big bearing on it in Salthill. Will Galway open up a bit if they play with the breeze?
Unlikely. Coaches have come up with the bright idea that it's basically impossible to be scored against with the wind advantage if you pack a defense, and with turnovers, breaking at pace, and scoring long range frees, if executed correctly you should get at 6-7pt+ advantage. Its happening all over the country, even in club games now and Galway seem to adhere, if not execute correctly. Hard agree with the tactic, although it's been devised by people who do more study and have access to more data than me or Pat Spillane or Joe Brolly
Quote from: cornetto on June 05, 2019, 10:06:33 AM
Kevin Walsh's selection problems are mounting in that he really does not know his best team in the a v b games the b team has being coming out on top,Martin farragher and rob finnerty are believed to be in flying form,whatever about finnerty definitley think farragher will start.
Lads on the "B team" playing well and putting the hand up in training is a good problem to have although if the players on the "A team" aren't going well generally that would sound like a continuation of the middling form shown in the two championship games to date which is a concern.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 05, 2019, 10:43:47 AM
the Connacht final in 2018 was level up to about the 60th minute.
hardly getting beaten out the gate. the lack of defensive structure and ability to win any ball in midfield lost that game. same with the replay in 2016. all things McStay didn't work on
anyway, onto the game on June 16.
the weather will have a big bearing on it in Salthill. Will Galway open up a bit if they play with the breeze?
Level up until the 69th minute. Lost the ability to win anything in midfield once Cathal Compton went off injured on 30 minutes and lets be fair Roscommon defended a lot better in last years Connacht final than the replay 2016.
2017 we couldn't miss when shooting, 2018 we couldn't score when shooting.
Tickets now available on line - Stand €35 in advance, €40 On the day; Terrace €25/€30. Juveniles €5.
Peter Cooke, Sean Kelly and Ciaran Duggan still not back in full training so safe to say all three will play no part.
FOC also a major doubt after picking up a hamstring injury in the first round of the club championship.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 05, 2019, 03:35:21 PM
2017 we couldn't miss when shooting, 2018 we couldn't score when shooting.
Tickets now available on line - Stand €35 in advance, €40 On the day; Terrace €25/€30. Juveniles €5.
What price have season ticket holders such as yourself been charged?
Not being allocated/charged till Tuesday.
€35 I expect.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 07, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
Not being allocated/charged till Tuesday.
€35 I expect.
Are stand tickets only available to season ticket holders/through the county boards?
Terrace only showing up online
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 07, 2019, 01:08:46 PM
Peter Cooke, Sean Kelly and Ciaran Duggan still not back in full training so safe to say all three will play no part.
FOC also a major doubt after picking up a hamstring injury in the first round of the club championship.
Interesting to see what he'll do at midfield with those 4 missing. Would have thought its either Michael Daly or D'Arcy. I'd probably go with D'Arcy.
You'd have to feel sorry for Ultan Harney, he just can't stay fit.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 10, 2019, 10:02:04 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 07, 2019, 01:08:46 PM
Peter Cooke, Sean Kelly and Ciaran Duggan still not back in full training so safe to say all three will play no part.
FOC also a major doubt after picking up a hamstring injury in the first round of the club championship.
Interesting to see what he'll do at midfield with those 4 missing. Would have thought its either Michael Daly or D'Arcy. I'd probably go with D'Arcy.
You'd have to feel sorry for Ultan Harney, he just can't stay fit.
FOC was taken off as a precaution i hear. Galway have known about their injuries for sometime and will have planned accordingly Roscommon losing Harney is different, a big blow to lose one of their key starters a week before the Connacht final.
Poor Ultan has been so unfortunate with injuries.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-lose-injured-captain-damien-comer-for-connacht-final-929851.html
Comer definitely out, as is Duggan, and disappointingly, Paul Conroy. Molloy in a race to be fit also. If Molloy doesnt make it, would really be surprised not to see Silke back at half back and Kyne in the corner. Depends on Kyne. The other option is start G'OD. Cooke, Kelly both back but hard see either start, especially Kelly with a dodgy hamstring.
I'm struggling to think of any team thats been so injury ridden as Galway in 2019. It's just never ending
Quote from: Manning18 on June 10, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-lose-injured-captain-damien-comer-for-connacht-final-929851.html
Comer definitely out, as is Duggan, and disappointingly, Paul Conroy. Molloy in a race to be fit also. If Molloy doesnt make it, would really be surprised not to see Silke back at half back and Kyne in the corner. Depends on Kyne. The other option is start G'OD. Cooke, Kelly both back but hard see either start, especially Kelly with a dodgy hamstring.
I'm struggling to think of any team thats been so injury ridden as Galway in 2019. It's just never ending
What injury did Cooke have? Sean Kelly & Cooke weren't back training last week according to reports.
Cooke has generally been listed as foot. Would be surprised if we saw him, that's a long time to be not running coming into Championship
Quote from: Manning18 on June 10, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-lose-injured-captain-damien-comer-for-connacht-final-929851.html
Comer definitely out, as is Duggan, and disappointingly, Paul Conroy. Molloy in a race to be fit also. If Molloy doesnt make it, would really be surprised not to see Silke back at half back and Kyne in the corner. Depends on Kyne. The other option is start G'OD. Cooke, Kelly both back but hard see either start, especially Kelly with a dodgy hamstring.
I'm struggling to think of any team thats been so injury ridden as Galway in 2019. It's just never ending
over training, not enough recovery time? not enough prehab and rehab on injuries?
they are amateur athletes after all who have jobs to go to each day
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 10, 2019, 01:43:32 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 10, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-lose-injured-captain-damien-comer-for-connacht-final-929851.html
Comer definitely out, as is Duggan, and disappointingly, Paul Conroy. Molloy in a race to be fit also. If Molloy doesnt make it, would really be surprised not to see Silke back at half back and Kyne in the corner. Depends on Kyne. The other option is start G'OD. Cooke, Kelly both back but hard see either start, especially Kelly with a dodgy hamstring.
I'm struggling to think of any team thats been so injury ridden as Galway in 2019. It's just never ending
over training, not enough recovery time? not enough prehab and rehab on injuries?
they are amateur athletes after all who have jobs to go to each day
Well Walsh has been in place for 5 years and there's never been cluster injuries before so i'd say it's naive to call it over training or bad rehab rather than just plain bad luck. The one exception was Comer's misdiagnosis. I suppose Corofin players do have to go all year round, another thing for Galway to have to deal with
Molloy doubtful with an ankle injury as well going by that article, which is unfortunate after he got lucky with the shoulder injury against Sligo, good to hear that a few more might be nearing a return to the squad though.
Galway haven't done back to back Connacht titles since 02-03 which was at the tail end of our last great team, there's a long time passed since then and it's a great opportunity to go back to back and be the first team through to Super 8s this year. I'm wary enough for next Sunday after what happened in 2017 when we were hammered in Salthill, really need a big up-tick in the performance level on the year to date, what's been shown to date won't be good enough in a proper championship battle.
Quote from: Manning18 on June 10, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-lose-injured-captain-damien-comer-for-connacht-final-929851.html
Comer definitely out, as is Duggan, and disappointingly, Paul Conroy. Molloy in a race to be fit also. If Molloy doesnt make it, would really be surprised not to see Silke back at half back and Kyne in the corner. Depends on Kyne. The other option is start G'OD. Cooke, Kelly both back but hard see either start, especially Kelly with a dodgy hamstring.
I'm struggling to think of any team thats been so injury ridden as Galway in 2019. It's just never ending
Why is Conroy out?
Thought he would be in the subs having come through club championship a few weeks ago.
This thread has turned into a Hospital!!!
Any views on the game itself?
50/50 in my opinion.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2019, 04:09:53 PM
This thread has turned into a Hospital!!!
Any views on the game itself?
50/50 in my opinion.
It won't be a thriller anyhow.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2019, 04:09:53 PM
This thread has turned into a Hospital!!!
Any views on the game itself?
50/50 in my opinion.
Hard to call true enough
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2019, 04:09:53 PM
This thread has turned into a Hospital!!!
Any views on the game itself?
50/50 in my opinion.
I've a feeling Ros will do it. I know you all might think I'm crazy, but beating Mayo would be a psychological boost for them. Willie Hegarty said Ros were spooked by Mayo after a u21 final Ros should've won a few years back. However, Galway won't be as clueless up front. But my gut feeling is Ros will sneak it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 10, 2019, 04:09:53 PM
This thread has turned into a Hospital!!!
Any views on the game itself?
50/50 in my opinion.
I've a feeling Ros will do it. I know you all might think I'm crazy, but beating Mayo would be a psychological boost for them. Willie Hegarty said Ros were spooked by Mayo after a u21 final Ros should've won a few years back. However, Galway won't be as clueless up front. But my gut feeling is Ros will sneak it.
2016 Connacht U21 final i presume? Certainly a game Roscommon could or should have won. 2013 Connacht U21 final v Galway was similar if i recall right.
One thing is that if we give Galway 32 shots at goal they won't miss half them like our last opponents.
"No, it's relentless, it is," Galway manager Kevin Walsh responds has he ever had to deal with injury issues as a manager as much as in 2019.
Galway have been ravaged by ailments throughout the campaign with captain Damien Comer unlikely to feature in Sunday's Connacht SFC Final against Roscommon and the promising Kieran Molloy a severe doubt.
"It's tough to handle," Walsh adds. "It's a heavy workload on backroom teams as well and even County Boards I'm sure. At the end of the year you'll see it'll be heavy on them because you have huge numbers in, trying to balance the whole thing is tough. I suppose the long-term injuries were long-term so at some point we kind of knew there was a time frame on them so we had to deal with it.
"If all that happened to come last month and you hadn't the other guys to come in in the National League, at least we had that warning time to try to develop other players so that's been the plus side. It's been a tough year with injuries, yeah."
Molloy dislocated a shoulder in the provincial semi-final against Sligo, but overcame that issue before suffering an ankle problem at training. "He actually twisted his ankle during the week so it's going to be nip and tuck whether he's ok to play or not, unfortunately," Walsh confirmed.
"The shoulder has been giving him a problem over the years. Long-term he'll have to look after it, but it's one of those injuries that it keeps popping out and it goes back in.
"He had recovered fully so he's under pressure at the minute with the ankle. It only happened last week. He's in a fight against time at the minute. Hopefully. We won't rule him out, but he's under a bit of pressure."
Despite a tough campaign with injuries manager Kevin Walsh believes the Galway panel has become stronger in 2019.
Comer's absence throughout the campaign has been a blow, but Walsh stresses Galway's approach can be altered.
"There are not too many Damien Comer's in the country, to be honest," Walsh remarks. "But, at the same time, it depends on the opposition. If the area is crowded, there is only so much ball that you can kick in that won't be coming back out twice as fast.
"Damien is an option that not too many in the country have. We are missing him at the minute so we just have to work around that."
Following the May 19 triumph over Sligo, Walsh is encouraged that several injured players including Paul Conroy, Declan Kyne, Adrian Varley, Sean Kelly, and Peter Cooke have returned to training.
"We can't complain about the timelines, they were reasonably good this year," Walsh says. "We knew where we were and we knew the timelines with regard to different players getting back, but that opened the door for a lot of different players during the League.
"We are not going to complain about that. One of the things we are trying to do here is to develop the panel so we can sustain those injuries and sustain those people who might be missing for whatever reason.
"That's a long-term goal that comes together for the future, but, sometimes, it is short-term pain for long-term gain. Certainly, some fellas have stepped up which is good and the panel is definitely deeper."
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/33820-over-excited-rossie-abused-garda-after-mayo-match
Delighted to see the Rossies putting their best foot forward after the Castlebar victory
Crime of the Century 🙄
I believe if it's a draw the Hyde WON'T be getting the replay due to last year's agreement plus the required works not done yet.
If crying and moaning counted Walsh would be handed the sam without further ado.
Since the Mayo match Cunningham has lost Ultan Harney, Cathal Heneghan and Colin Compton from our match day 26 all injured and Fintan Cregg is also on the injured list but may play some part. Not a word of complaint from Cunningham.
Quote from: whitey on June 11, 2019, 12:37:44 PM
http://www.mayonews.ie/news/33820-over-excited-rossie-abused-garda-after-mayo-match
Delighted to see the Rossies putting their best foot forward after the Castlebar victory
More like a couple of Mayo cops who couldn't take their beating.
Poor Ultan Harney, beset by injuries. I wonder if they're all taking their toll on his body. Do any Ros posters reckon we will see him at his full potential or can he keep coming back?
Ultans injury might not be as serious as first thought, that lad will keep coming back, hopefully he will get an injury free run, we all know in Ros how good he can be,
just never had the run to bring it to the national stage but it will not be Ultans fault if it does not happen.
First scan showed up a torn ACL that was within 24 hours of getting injured. Too much bleeding in his knee to do second scan yet to see full extent of damage I heard.
ACL is as minimum of 6 months anyway so it's pretty serious. And no I dont think we will see his full potential, He 23 now and has had constent injury every year since he was minor. Has to be taken its toll physically and mentally.
Fintan will be a huge loss this weekend if he can't shake off his back injury too.
Quote from: giveballaghback on June 11, 2019, 11:22:18 PM
Ultans injury might not be as serious as first thought, that lad will keep coming back, hopefully he will get an injury free run, we all know in Ros how good he can be,
just never had the run to bring it to the national stage but it will not be Ultans fault if it does not happen.
He's had some serious bad luck with injuries for sure.
Remember seeing him at underage level and he was a class player.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
Is he not predicting Galway to win handily, hardly even bothers mentioning who they are playing? What is Kevin going to say: lookit, Daragh O'Se said we are going to win but not by enough. Let's go out and prove him wrong.
Seems we shouldn't waste our time showing up at all.
Sadly I agree with Oliver ...we probably won't ever get to see Ultan at his best.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
I think its a reasonably fair article. There is a defensive structure that they looked to have worked on extensively but very little in terms of an attacking gameplan. They don't get enough from someone as talented as Walsh, haven't worked Daly's strengths in yet and havent developed how to align Comer to Burke's play making. Sadly i think with all the injuries and interruptions like Corofin this year it could be a lost year in that regard. He hasnt been able to introduce the players integral to kick on to the next level such as McDaid, Molloy, Cooke and Wall in any capacity and missing work around both Comer and Burke who the forward line is built around.
I wouldn't agree that it could go stale after this season however. The only players the wrong side of 27 are Conroy and Bradshaw, neither considered certain starters at all. Next is Flynn at 27 with everyone else younger. The team probably wont reach its peak for 2-3 years. By then it'll likely be under a new manager however
Quote from: weareros on June 12, 2019, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
Is he not predicting Galway to win handily, hardly even bothers mentioning who they are playing? What is Kevin going to say: lookit, Daragh O'Se said we are going to win but not by enough. Let's go out and prove him wrong.
Umm where is he predicting Galway to win handily?
You might want to read it again.
The only reference to it is to say that they are more than capable of winning it.
That's a world away from saying a team will win handily.
Lord
Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2019, 11:57:40 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
I think its a reasonably fair article. There is a defensive structure that they looked to have worked on extensively but very little in terms of an attacking gameplan. They don't get enough from someone as talented as Walsh, haven't worked Daly's strengths in yet and havent developed how to align Comer to Burke's play making. Sadly i think with all the injuries and interruptions like Corofin this year it could be a lost year in that regard. He hasnt been able to introduce the players integral to kick on to the next level such as McDaid, Molloy, Cooke and Wall in any capacity and missing work around both Comer and Burke who the forward line is built around.
I wouldn't agree that it could go stale after this season however. The only players the wrong side of 27 are Conroy and Bradshaw, neither considered certain starters at all. Next is Flynn at 27 with everyone else younger. The team probably wont reach its peak for 2-3 years. By then it'll likely be under a new manager however
There was clearly an element of truth but still it was a very negative article and Kevin Walsh will spin it that way.
Age wise Galway have the best age profile of any of the top teams. Looking at what we'd call the important players on the team Flynn is the oldest of them at 27.
Quote from: galwayman on June 12, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: weareros on June 12, 2019, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
Is he not predicting Galway to win handily, hardly even bothers mentioning who they are playing? What is Kevin going to say: lookit, Daragh O'Se said we are going to win but not by enough. Let's go out and prove him wrong.
Umm where is he predicting Galway to win handily?
You might want to read it again.
The only reference to it is to say that they are more than capable of winning it.
That's a world away from saying a team will win handily.
Lord
Same thing. He's basically saying Galway don't win with style. Dismisses the victory over Kerry because it was a dog of a game. I hope Kevin does nail it to the wall and tell his team to rid themselves of the defensive mindset. Would love if Galway gave our forwards the space Mayo gave us. But we all know Walsh will pay feck all heed to this article.
"The obvious next step is to challenge for an All-Ireland. But does anybody really and truly see them in those terms? If they do, they're keeping it to themselves! You have the Dubs out on their own, maybe Kerry and Mayo next, possibly Donegal after last weekend and at a push Tyrone if they can regather themselves. I don't hear too many people shouting about Galway."
This part of the article was interesting, and it's very true. I listened to loads of championship previews with Galway not mentioned. They were a silly 10 min spell from making a league final this year with half a panel missing. Of the team's mentioned above, Galway have beaten Mayo in 5 straight, beat Kerry by 4 last year and Donegal by 15 in their last meeting 2 years ago. Donegal just made it out of D2, albiet looking excellent at the weekend. Even the scores of Roscommon fans saying it's 50/50 is interesting in terms of how they rate Galway compared to Mayo. Didn't see anyone calling the Mayo Ros game 50/50 prior.
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"The obvious next step is to challenge for an All-Ireland. But does anybody really and truly see them in those terms? If they do, they're keeping it to themselves! You have the Dubs out on their own, maybe Kerry and Mayo next, possibly Donegal after last weekend and at a push Tyrone if they can regather themselves. I don't hear too many people shouting about Galway."
This part of the article was interesting, and it's very true. I listened to loads of championship previews with Galway not mentioned. They were a silly 10 min spell from making a league final this year with half a panel missing. Of the team's mentioned above, Galway have beaten Mayo in 5 straight, beat Kerry by 4 last year and Donegal by 15 in their last meeting 2 years ago. Donegal just made it out of D2, albiet looking excellent at the weekend. Even the scores of Roscommon fans saying it's 50/50 is interesting in terms of how they rate Galway compared to Mayo. Didn't see anyone calling the Mayo Ros game 50/50 prior.
Odds for the final.
Galway are 2/5
Roscommon are 5/2
Jaysus you wouldn't hear so much beal bochting from a rock in Connemara.
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Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2019, 12:49:38 PM
"The obvious next step is to challenge for an All-Ireland. But does anybody really and truly see them in those terms? If they do, they're keeping it to themselves! You have the Dubs out on their own, maybe Kerry and Mayo next, possibly Donegal after last weekend and at a push Tyrone if they can regather themselves. I don't hear too many people shouting about Galway."
This part of the article was interesting, and it's very true. I listened to loads of championship previews with Galway not mentioned. They were a silly 10 min spell from making a league final this year with half a panel missing. Of the team's mentioned above, Galway have beaten Mayo in 5 straight, beat Kerry by 4 last year and Donegal by 15 in their last meeting 2 years ago. Donegal just made it out of D2, albiet looking excellent at the weekend. Even the scores of Roscommon fans saying it's 50/50 is interesting in terms of how they rate Galway compared to Mayo. Didn't see anyone calling the Mayo Ros game 50/50 prior.
Odds for the final.
Galway are 2/5
Roscommon are 5/2
Jaysus you wouldn't hear so much beal bochting from a rock in Connemara.
Yet you're telling us the odds are wrong and that it's 50/50? I wonder what the reaction would be if someone came along saying Galway should be 1/5 (as mayo were) and not 2/5
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Quote from: weareros on June 12, 2019, 01:12:10 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 12, 2019, 12:49:38 PM
"The obvious next step is to challenge for an All-Ireland. But does anybody really and truly see them in those terms? If they do, they're keeping it to themselves! You have the Dubs out on their own, maybe Kerry and Mayo next, possibly Donegal after last weekend and at a push Tyrone if they can regather themselves. I don't hear too many people shouting about Galway."
This part of the article was interesting, and it's very true. I listened to loads of championship previews with Galway not mentioned. They were a silly 10 min spell from making a league final this year with half a panel missing. Of the team's mentioned above, Galway have beaten Mayo in 5 straight, beat Kerry by 4 last year and Donegal by 15 in their last meeting 2 years ago. Donegal just made it out of D2, albiet looking excellent at the weekend. Even the scores of Roscommon fans saying it's 50/50 is interesting in terms of how they rate Galway compared to Mayo. Didn't see anyone calling the Mayo Ros game 50/50 prior.
Odds for the final.
Galway are 2/5
Roscommon are 5/2
Jaysus you wouldn't hear so much beal bochting from a rock in Connemara.
Yet you're telling us the odds are wrong and that it's 50/50? I wonder what the reaction would be if someone came along saying Galway should be 1/5 (as mayo were) and not 2/5
You are mistaking what the experts and bookies think to the eternal optimism of Roscommon supporters. The bookies tend to be right most (over 90%) of the time; every now and again we Rossies upset the apple cart in Connacht.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
Is he not predicting Galway to win handily, hardly even bothers mentioning who they are playing? What is Kevin going to say: lookit, Daragh O'Se said we are going to win but not by enough. Let's go out and prove him wrong.
Umm where is he predicting Galway to win handily?
You might want to read it again.
The only reference to it is to say that they are more than capable of winning it.
That's a world away from saying a team will win handily.
Lord
Same thing. He's basically saying Galway don't win with style. Dismisses the victory over Kerry because it was a dog of a game. I hope Kevin does nail it to the wall and tell his team to rid themselves of the defensive mindset. Would love if Galway gave our forwards the space Mayo gave us. But we all know Walsh will pay feck all heed to this article.
How is it the same thing? Not to be repeating myself - but read it again. In no way is saying that a team is capable of winning a game the same thing as saying that they will win handily. Ye are doing some job of trying to play up to a perception that ye are given no chance in this game when the reality is very different.
Galway are 2/5 favourites in the bookies - again very different to one team being given no chance.
If that were the case we would be far shorter odds. Mayo are 1/8 away to Down for example.
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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-galway-are-too-stuck-in-systems-too-rigid-and-too-defensive-1.3922417
More ammo for Kevin to pin up on the wall on Sunday.
Is he not predicting Galway to win handily, hardly even bothers mentioning who they are playing? What is Kevin going to say: lookit, Daragh O'Se said we are going to win but not by enough. Let's go out and prove him wrong.
Umm where is he predicting Galway to win handily?
You might want to read it again.
The only reference to it is to say that they are more than capable of winning it.
That's a world away from saying a team will win handily.
Lord
Same thing. He's basically saying Galway don't win with style. Dismisses the victory over Kerry because it was a dog of a game. I hope Kevin does nail it to the wall and tell his team to rid themselves of the defensive mindset. Would love if Galway gave our forwards the space Mayo gave us. But we all know Walsh will pay feck all heed to this article.
How is it the same thing? Not to be repeating myself - but read it again. In no way is saying that a team is capable of winning a game the same thing as saying that they will win handily. Ye are doing some job of trying to play up to a perception that ye are given no chance in this game when the reality is very different.
Galway are 2/5 favourites in the bookies - again very different to one team being given no chance.
If that were the case we would be far shorter odds. Mayo are 1/8 away to Down for example.
Once is surely enough to read a Darragh O'Se article. He is talking ye up as a team that could potentially stop Dublin's 5 in a Row drive if ye adopted a more attacking style. That's high praise from a Kerryman. Mayo are hot favourites against Down because it is a top Div 1 team versus Div 3. Galway are still strong favourites against Ros but it is still a top Div 1 team versus a demoted Div 1 team. Not as big a gap there, plus it is 2-1 to Galway in the last 3 Connacht finals.
Looks like quite a lot of rain forecast for Sunday. A dirty day in store unfortunately.
Is there ever good weather in bloody Salthill >:(
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Is there ever good weather in bloody Salthill >:(
Been good all week. But won't be on Sunday.
Roscommon team for Sunday. Three changes. Devaney,E Smith and D Murtagh in for Darcy,Glennon and the injured Harney.
Darren O'Malley (Michael Glavey)
David Murray (Padraig Pearses)
Sean Mullooly (Strokestown)
Conor Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Ronan Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Tadgh O'Rourke (Tulsk)
Shane Killoran (Elphin)
Conor Devaney (Kilbride)
Cathal Cregg (Western Gaels)
Niall Kilroy (Fuerty)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Conor Cox (Listowel Emmets)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Galway Senior Football team to face Roscommon in the Connacht S.F.C Final on Sunday
Bernard Power (Corofin)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Naomh Ánna, Leitir Mór)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Thomas Flynn (Athenry)
Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Michéal Breathnach)
Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin Clonberne)
Michael Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Antaine Ó Laoí (An Spidéal)
Ian Burke (Corofin)
Danny Cummins (Claregalway)
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Galway Senior Football team to face Roscommon in the Connacht S.F.C Final on Sunday
Bernard Power (Corofin)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Naomh Ánna, Leitir Mór)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Thomas Flynn (Athenry)
Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Michéal Breathnach)
Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin Clonberne)
Michael Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Antaine Ó Laoí (An Spidéal)
Ian Burke (Corofin)
Danny Cummins (Claregalway)
Hmmm, I would be hoping to see some personnel changes in both the HB and FF lines by the time it throws in on Sunday afternoon!
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Galway Senior Football team to face Roscommon in the Connacht S.F.C Final on Sunday
Bernard Power (Corofin)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Naomh Ánna, Leitir Mór)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Thomas Flynn (Athenry)
Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Michéal Breathnach)
Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin Clonberne)
Michael Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Antaine Ó Laoí (An Spidéal)
Ian Burke (Corofin)
Danny Cummins (Claregalway)
Just the one change with O'Donnell coming in for Molloy?
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 13, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
Galway Senior Football team to face Roscommon in the Connacht S.F.C Final on Sunday
Bernard Power (Corofin)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Naomh Ánna, Leitir Mór)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Thomas Flynn (Athenry)
Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Michéal Breathnach)
Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin Clonberne)
Michael Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Antaine Ó Laoí (An Spidéal)
Ian Burke (Corofin)
Danny Cummins (Claregalway)
Hmmm, I would be hoping to see some personnel changes in both the HB and FF lines by the time it throws in on Sunday afternoon!
Not much physical presence in that FF line on what is forecast to be a dirty rainy day.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 13, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
Galway Senior Football team to face Roscommon in the Connacht S.F.C Final on Sunday
Bernard Power (Corofin)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Naomh Ánna, Leitir Mór)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Thomas Flynn (Athenry)
Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Michéal Breathnach)
Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin Clonberne)
Michael Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Antaine Ó Laoí (An Spidéal)
Ian Burke (Corofin)
Danny Cummins (Claregalway)
Hmmm, I would be hoping to see some personnel changes in both the HB and FF lines by the time it throws in on Sunday afternoon!
Not much physical presence in that FF line on what is forecast to be a dirty rainy day.
O Laoi and Cummins have both been terrible so far in the two games.
If there is no changes before throw in they are extremely lucky to keep their places.
Ó Laoí wasn't that bad against London I thought, Cummins was atrocious alright and hasn't carried over his good league form into championship at all.
That HB line isn't going to strike fear into the Rossies, not sure what to make of expecting a FF line that couldn't do it against Sligo to make any better inroads into a superior team in Roscommon.
Probably our strongest available 15 named to start.
More experienced line up for a Final but won't have the bench as strong as the last day.
Bring it on......
https://youtu.be/lrhNPS4nbmQ
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 13, 2019, 12:42:02 PM
Is there ever good weather in bloody Salthill >:(
Been good all week. But won't be on Sunday.
Any cover in Row G ?
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 13, 2019, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 13, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
Galway Senior Football team to face Roscommon in the Connacht S.F.C Final on Sunday
Bernard Power (Corofin)
Eoghan Kerin (Annaghdown)
Seán Andy Ó Ceallaigh (Naomh Ánna, Leitir Mór)
Liam Silke (Corofin)
Gary O'Donnell (Tuam Stars)
Gareth Bradshaw (Moycullen)
John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Thomas Flynn (Athenry)
Fiontán Ó Curraoin (Michéal Breathnach)
Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin Clonberne)
Michael Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
Johnny Heaney (Killanin)
Antaine Ó Laoí (An Spidéal)
Ian Burke (Corofin)
Danny Cummins (Claregalway)
Hmmm, I would be hoping to see some personnel changes in both the HB and FF lines by the time it throws in on Sunday afternoon!
Whatever about the full forward line I'd say that's the half back line that will start, Molloy had his foot in a boot last weekend so maybe he doesn't have a full 70+ minutes in him or maybe Kevin Walsh didn't see enough of him in Sligo to give him another start. Hopefully he'll get a decent run Sunday. He's too good to be left sitting on the bench.
With the weather that's promised its ball winners not fast little forwards that will be needed,there will be definite changes,galway played Kerry in a challenge last week who had a full team bar donoghue.galway lost by a point with Clifford giving kerin a torrid time.no doubt about it our backline Is seen as a weak point and am expecting lots of high ball to be dropped in or alternatively try and isolate the full backline.All to play for.
Wet and windy day forecast so its going to be a dogfight, whoever are the hungrier team and want it most will win, Im hoping our lads will come out in a tight finish.
Have Brady or Maughan made any match predictions ;D.
Best of luck to both teams and hope both come home injury free.
Hon the Rossies.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/galway-have-good-reason-to-be-wary-of-unyielding-roscommon-1.3925963?mode=amp
Galway have good reason to be wary of unyielding Roscommon
History shows the Rossies can never be taken for granted in the
Keith Duggan
It would be a mistake to describe Roscommon as the fly in the ointment. They have too much hauteur – those back-to-back wartime All-Irelands, those gilded clubs teams, those 23 provincial titles – to be considered mere upstarts.
But they do delight in tripping up the landlord counties of Mayo and Galway. They delight in bucking history and supposition. This year's primrose vintage have already derailed Mayo's best chance of progress to an All-Ireland final. Sacking Galway in Salthill would make for a memorable June.
"Galway are raging favourites," says John Tobin by way of caution. "The same as they were two years ago."
If you want to remember the full heat of the provincial championships, go back to the day in 2001 when Tobin brought his Roscommon team into Tuam Stadium. It was another one of those Galway-Roscommon occasions when a maroon win was preordained.
Instead, the visitors delivered a 2-12 to 0-14 performance which had a silencing effect across the land. It was the first year of the new qualifier system and technically, Galway's summer was still alive. But it didn't feel like that to anyone on the afternoon of June 3rd.
John O'Mahony: the then Galway manager's voice cracked with emotion on the television interview after his side had beaten Roscommon in a replayed Connacht final in 1998. They went on to win the All-Ireland, beating Kildare in the final. Photograph: Dan Sheridan/Inpho
John O'Mahony: the then Galway manager's voice cracked with emotion on the television interview after his side had beaten Roscommon in a replayed Connacht final in 1998. They went on to win the All-Ireland, beating Kildare in the final. Photograph: Dan Sheridan/Inpho
Or if you want to understand the power of emotion and the significance of provincial wins, then flash back three years earlier to 1998 and to the few minutes when Galway have edged Roscommon after a replay – and after extra time – to provoke a pitch invasion of ecstatic fans. Hear John O'Mahony's voice crack with emotion on the television interview and try to imagine, in that moment, a future in which the provincial system would be deemed defunct and pointless.
That replay took place as late as August 2nd: all summer, 'getting out' of Connacht had been the driving ambition. Or if you want to return to the scenario in which winning a Connacht title could feel like a moment of liberation, then revisit the circumstances in which Roscommon won the 1990 version.
Beaten in 1988 by Mayo in the Connacht final. Beaten again by Mayo in 1989 – after extra time – and watching then as Mayo did something strange by threatening to win the All-Ireland itself. In 1990, Roscommon put their hands up again.
"This was the third year in a row and there was a lot of pressure on," remembers Martin McDermott, who managed the team through a spell of six consecutive Connacht final appearances,
"It was really time to deliver for the players and myself. And I could feel that tension in the players because they knew to lose three Connacht finals in a row would not be pleasant for them or the supporters. Fergal O'Neill, Galway's corner forward, from memory, was deemed to be in the square and had a goal disallowed. We were tentative. It was only in the second half that we relaxed a little bit."
Those games are the primary colours with which Roscommon's role in the west of Ireland scene become identifiable. Few counties have had such a rigidly difficult task – particularly in the 100-odd years of knock-out football – as the Primrose. John Tobin can laugh now when he is asked where that coup in 2001 sits in a lengthy reel of personal achievements.
Different thing
"It was bittersweet. I am from Tuam, like. I think I managed Galway on three occasions and managed a minor team to win an All-Ireland and the U-21s for over 30 years. But people always refer to me as the Roscommon manager. It is funny. It's intriguing. You just fortify yourself. Anyone who goes into management has a moral responsibility to get them to optimise their collective potential and realize the dream. You know? It is a dream. You appreciate that privilege because of the contribution of those fellas to the county. It is fantastic. But beating your own county on your own patch . . . is a different thing altogether."
The irony was pronounced that day: Tobin, Tuam bred, ran the line for Roscommon while O'Mahony, from Ballaghaderreen, managed Galway. It was a match in which Galway played an inhibited game by their expansive standards while Roscommon just hit song. Eddie Lohan scored 0-8, Frankie Dolan hit two goals and a teenage Seamie O'Neill was rampant at midfield.
"I kind of knew the potential he had so from a long way out we wrapped him in cotton wool," Tobin says of O'Neill.
Roscommon's Séamus O'Neill celebrates his side's win over Galway in the 2001 Connacht semi-final at Tuam. Photograph: Damien Eagers/Sportsfile
Roscommon's Séamus O'Neill celebrates his side's win over Galway in the 2001 Connacht semi-final at Tuam. Photograph: Damien Eagers/Sportsfile
"We kind of put him away for a while and didn't play him in a lot of league games because he was young and immature but we knew his potential. And again, it depends on the person, but Séamus has a strong personality and young fellas sometimes have no inhibitions. It doesn't faze them that they are walking a star. And Kevin [Waslh] and Seán Ó Domhnaill were outstanding midfielders."
Galway's tentative behaviour in that game was all too human. There is an easily believable alternative GAA history in which 1998, Galway's flaming All-Ireland year, never happened. It would have been a shame, not least because Pat Comer, the Galway substitute goalkeeper and film-maker was making A Year Til Sunday that summer and might well have scrapped the project had the team been dumped in the Connacht final.
And fate could easily have turned things that way. The teams drew 0-11 apiece in a taut first game in Tuam.
"I don't know if it had something to do with the noise of the crowd," said Gay Sheerin, the Roscommon manager, afterwards.
"I'm playing a long time and haven't experienced anything like that. When we ran out, the din was unbelievable."
There's a scene in Comer's film in which O'Mahony challenges the Galway players to shed the disparaging tags that followed them during that period – a 'nice' team; a team of 'Fancy Dans'.
Constant battle
The trouble was, they knew that Roscommon would not be for backing down. So it went: a riveting, draining replay which stretched into extra time and hinged on a Michael Donnellan goal which came down to bad luck more than anything else. The event became, for Roscommon football, one of those summers when they almost stamped out their neighbours only to then see them ascend and ascend into a football place that no west of Ireland team had reached in over 30 years.
It's not that difficult to forward the theory that the main obstacle to Roscommon's progression is geographical; penned into Connacht means that they have to produce exceptional teams in order to overcome both Galway and Mayo. Conquer one and usually, the other is waiting. Roscommon are like the kid brother who charges into the older, stronger siblings without fear or consideration for his own safety or welfare.
Anthony Cunningham: The former Galway and Dublin hurling boss has led Roscommon to victory over Mayo and into another Connacht final. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
Anthony Cunningham: The former Galway and Dublin hurling boss has led Roscommon to victory over Mayo and into another Connacht final. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
" Size, yeah," says Martin McDermott.
"We pick from a population that is a third the size of Mayo and less than a quarter than that of Galway. I do genuinely think we pull above our weight. It is a constant battle. And we don't fear it but it is a big step because we do not have that depth of numbers. As someone once said, the more milk you have, the more cream you have."
It is easily forgotten how close McDermott's Roscommon team came to making it to an All-Ireland final. In 1991, they successfully defended their Connacht title –again after a replay made possible by a stupendous, 60-metre free by Derek Duggan in the last minute of the first game. In the All-Ireland semi-final they made all the running against a gnarled Meath team until the closing quarter, when the Royals began to knock over points and feed on the finish-line nerves of the newcomers to edge it by a point.
"We led for most of the game and were most unfortunate to lose by one point. The McManus's, Killoran, Newton, Earley: all household names at the time. And we came very close and probably should have beaten Meath on the day. They were probably a little tired but they had that quality, stickability."
In 2001, John Tobin's team capitalised on that sacking in Tuam by beating Mayo in the Connacht final. Their reward was dubious. A quarter-final draw put them back where they started, facing Galway, this time in Castlebar.
"Yes. And therein lies a question: what is the championship? This was a David and Goliath situation," Tobin points out.
Fighting spirit
" On a given day, you can get any result. It was a fairytale. But then you are after winning and find yourself back at the same place and you question yourself. So you are always wondering what was going on in our fellas' minds, as much as you try to create the environment that makes it attractive. Plus, we had won the Connacht championship for the first time in a few years. Sometimes success can be difficult to handle. You are on a high but you have to back to the coal face again."
But they never go away. Two years ago, Roscommon came into Salthill to play Galway in a Connacht final. They were managed by Kevin McStay, who had tormented them in a previous life as an elusive corner forward with Mayo. All reliable data pointed to a Galway win. It made no difference.
Galway's Joe Bergin in action against Roscommon's John Hanley during the 2001 Connacht semi-final at Tuam. Photograph: Damien Eagers/Sportsfile
Galway's Joe Bergin in action against Roscommon's John Hanley during the 2001 Connacht semi-final at Tuam. Photograph: Damien Eagers/Sportsfile
"I will be the first to put my hand up and say I got it wrong," says Tobin.
" I really thought Galway would win that game. But then, going back to my own time in playing them, all through the 1970s, Roscommon have this combination of perseverance, resilience, a fighting spirit and they were always difficult to beat."
That historical fact carries into Sunday's latest chapter in Salthill. It's all circular. Val Daly, who scored 0-8 in that 1990 final, has two sons playing for Galway tomorrow. Seamus Killoran was midfield that day; his son Shane occupies the same position tomorrow. Galway are expected to win just as Mayo were expected to win a few weeks ago.
"The situation is very similar to what happened two years ago except it must be foremost in the minds of the Galway management and players," says John Tobin. "They have been forewarned."
Even so, they know what's coming if it's Roscommon: volatile and unpredictable and unyielding to the last.
The Galway journalists, Brehony and Dugan (know he's originally from Donegal but based in Galway) are fairly coming out with the pat on the head stuff today. We see through that shite a mile away.
Quote from: weareros on June 15, 2019, 12:32:06 PM
The Galway journalists, Brehony and Dugan (know he's originally from Donegal but based in Galway) are fairly coming out with the pat on the head stuff today. We see through that shite a mile away.
Bit of a stretch to describe Keith Duggan as a Galway journalist.
Quote from: weareros on June 15, 2019, 12:32:06 PM
The Galway journalists, Brehony and Dugan (know he's originally from Donegal but based in Galway) are fairly coming out with the pat on the head stuff today. We see through that shite a mile away.
Duggan is based in mayo is he not?
Quote from: weareros on June 15, 2019, 12:32:06 PM
The Galway journalists, Brehony and Dugan (know he's originally from Donegal but based in Galway) are fairly coming out with the pat on the head stuff today. We see through that shite a mile away.
There's no way Duggan is pro Galway, he's another one of the media who are Mayo supporters in all but name, Ger Gilroy and the rest of the Off The Ball crew are a joke in that respect.
I wouldn't worry about it anyway, there's a load of ex players and journos going for Roscommon to win tomorrow, Marc O'Sé, Emliyn Mulligan, Liam McHale, Tomas O'Sé, Shane Stapleton, Paddy O'Rourke included, the Racing Post GAA podcast is all over the Rossie odds as bet of the weekend and to be honest if the Galway that showed up against London and Sligo emerges again tomorrow, they'll be right.
Only Brehony, who's a Galwayman, Sean Moran in the IT and Colm Cooper have gone for Galway that I've seen.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 15, 2019, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: weareros on June 15, 2019, 12:32:06 PM
The Galway journalists, Brehony and Dugan (know he's originally from Donegal but based in Galway) are fairly coming out with the pat on the head stuff today. We see through that shite a mile away.
Bit of a stretch to describe Keith Duggan as a Galway journalist.
Donegal man but believe lives in Galway. Good Galway name too.
Over on boards.ie on the pools competition the majority of posters have predicted a Galway win. I have sat on the fence and predicted a draw, i presume a replay would be played in Castlebar?
I'd say the ramblings of various scribes will be the last thing to decide the winner of this game ;)
I believe it will be Ros CB's choice of venue for any replay and the choice on offer will be McHale or Pearse.
Still think it's 50/50 with which ever team gets more things right on the day emerging with Nestor .
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0613/1055214-cunningham-taking-dual-carriageway-to-success/
Hope it's a decent game and I'd marginally prefer Ros to win because they tend to play better football.
Suddenly this is the last chance for some Galway GAA silverware this year!
[Up the duckin fubs!]
So Daithí Burke is at a loose end for the rest of the summer, wonder what are the chances????
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 15, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
So Daithí Burke is at a loose end for the rest of the summer, wonder what are the chances????
He'll be on the first flight to America tomorrow morning id imagine
Quote from: Manning18 on June 15, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 15, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
So Daithí Burke is at a loose end for the rest of the summer, wonder what are the chances????
He'll be on the first flight to America tomorrow morning id imagine
Doubtful considering he has a full time job and a club championship to play in, besides isn't there some rule in place now that once you play championship you can't play in America?
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 15, 2019, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 15, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 15, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
So Daithí Burke is at a loose end for the rest of the summer, wonder what are the chances????
He'll be on the first flight to America tomorrow morning id imagine
Doubtful considering he has a full time job and a club championship to play in, besides isn't there some rule in place now that once you play championship you can't play in America?
That only applies to NY, Boston and Chi sill get early exiting championship players out and obviously he could play both codes. Comment was tongue in cheek, although it wouldn't fully surprise me at the same time given the nature of that 'job' ;) no chance of the footballers anyway, from half knowing him when a bit younger he'll be looking forward to the summer off. Maybe they could all do with it in a way, been a fair stretch for them since 2014
Big day here at last. There is something special and parochial about Connacht final day. I have attended most of them over the last 50 years regardless of whether my beloved rossies were playing or not.
We may bicker with each other but at the end of the day we are all west of Ireland people.
Good luct to teams and managements today and HON THE ROSSIES.
Sun and wind here at present.
Let's hope it stays that way till half 5 in Salthill.
Time for blather is over, all down to the lads on the pitch and sideline now.
Best of luck to them and hopefully Nestor on the Bus as she heads gir home.
💛💙💛💙
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 15, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
So Daithí Burke is at a loose end for the rest of the summer, wonder what are the chances????
He looks injured and burnt out for the hurlers as it is, I'd say the man could do with a decent break given he has been going full tilt all year round for the last few between Corofin and the County hurlers.
I'd love to see him in with the footballers but he's opted for hurling as his inter county sport and I don't see that changing at all.
Best of luck to the footballers today, huge opportunity to set up Galway in a great place for the rest of the summer if they bring a performance today, the Rossies have already shown they will be formidable opposition.
It'll be a close result either way I think, hoping Galway come out the right side of it.
Yes a nice start to the day in salthill a slight breeze blowing from the salthill gaa end towards the city ground is dry but showers(downpours) on the way hope a few hurling supporters get behind the footballers after last night's loss and fair play to the dubs.
Quote from: cornetto on June 16, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
Yes a nice start to the day in salthill a slight breeze blowing from the salthill gaa end towards the city ground is dry but showers(downpours) on the way hope a few hurling supporters get behind the footballers after last night's loss and fair play to the dubs.
;D Fair play, that's the best laugh I've had in a while.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 16, 2019, 10:06:05 AM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 15, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
So Daithí Burke is at a loose end for the rest of the summer, wonder what are the chances????
He looks injured and burnt out for the hurlers as it is, I'd say the man could do with a decent break given he has been going full tilt all year round for the last few between Corofin and the County hurlers.
I'd love to see him in with the footballers but he's opted for hurling as his inter county sport and I don't see that changing at all.
Best of luck to the footballers today, huge opportunity to set up Galway in a great place for the rest of the summer if they bring a performance today, the Rossies have already shown they will be formidable opposition.
It'll be a close result either way I think, hoping Galway come out the right side of it.
That comment was made in jest, I think we all know it's not going to happen! Last time he joined up was 2014 I think? Things have moved on and with all the systems etc he'd never catch up, his own club mates are finding it hard to catch up and they're in since April. Starting to get a bit darker around here now, hopefully the rain doesn't make a complete lottery out of the game and hopefully we'll have a Galway win!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2019, 08:54:49 AM
Sun and wind here at present.
Let's hope it stays that way till half 5 in Salthill.
Time for blather is over, all down to the lads on the pitch and sideline now.
Best of luck to them and hopefully Nestor on the Bus as she heads gir home.
💛💙💛💙
Best of luck to the Rossies, play good football and woule be great scenes of they were to win today.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2019, 08:54:49 AM
Sun and wind here at present.
Let's hope it stays that way till half 5 in Salthill.
Time for blather is over, all down to the lads on the pitch and sideline now.
Best of luck to them and hopefully Nestor on the Bus as she heads gir home.
💛💙💛💙
Rain here now in Salthill. I'd say it's here to stay now. Good old crowd making a day of it. hon the Ros and hopefully a great game.
No Comer or Conroy in the Galway 26.
Two changes for @Galway_GAA, 1 Bernard Power replaced by 16 Ruairí Lavelle and 15 Danny Cummins replaced by 18 Peter Cooke.
Dessie Dolan painful to listen to.
Fiontán a real liability on back foot, any Rossie running at him getting by easily. Shocking lack of pace. Lovely point earlier by him in fairness.
EDIT: Just subbed.
Scummy by Eoghan Kerin. Should got the line.
20 mins gone...scores level at 0-5. Still fancy the Rosies by a whisker but it's hard to call yet. Weather seesm to be cat with heavy rain falling.
Quote from: Mayo Border on June 16, 2019, 04:17:02 PM
Dessie Dolan painful to listen to.
Awful. Loves the 'used his experience' bullshit.
That should be black card for foul on Shane Walsh
Late hit on Shane Walsh deserved a card.Ross suddenly out of ideas
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
That should be black card for foul on Shane Walsh
Not a black card offence a mhac.
Ros getting cleaned around the middle. Same v Mayo but our forwards were cat.
Rossie kickouts are shockin
Quote from: fearsiuil on June 16, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
That should be black card for foul on Shane Walsh
Not a black card offence a mhac.
Thought it was a black card myself as well. Literally what it was introduced for:
Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
Ian Burke should got black too. Blocked Roscommon lad.
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 04:40:58 PM
Ian Burke should got black too. Blocked Roscommon lad.
Happening all over the pitch
Quote from: square_ball on June 16, 2019, 04:39:18 PM
Quote from: fearsiuil on June 16, 2019, 04:36:08 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
That should be black card for foul on Shane Walsh
Not a black card offence a mhac.
Thought it was a black card myself as well. Literally what it was introduced for:
Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
Stand corrected. Generally not given when the player that passes the ball is not active to get ball back though.
Ross midfield not in the game. Wheres Tadhg O'Rourke.
Conditions not really allowing for a great game and the handling has been terrible from both teams but Galway look comfortably a level above.
Roscommon are getting wiped out in the middle of the pitch and can't get the ball into the two inside men who have looked dangerous.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2019, 04:37:53 PM
Ros getting cleaned around the middle. Same v Mayo but our forwards were cat.
Yep, difficult to argue that one.
Galway had maybe two or three wides so far
Actually make that one wide
Ah, half the people give out for the manliness going out of the game, and the other half moaning when slightly mistimed tackles or a little bit of pushing isnt punished with a card.
Given the conditions, and the general malaise of players going down far easier than they should, as a complete neutral, I think the ref is doing a fine job.
Walsh is the class act in the field. Love him as a player. Rossies need to keep a closer eye
Spooning Mullooly
Much better from Roscommon since ht.
Dolan calling for Conroy to be brought on. Conroy is not named in the 26 today. Did nobody tell Des
Roscommon motoring in the 2nd half now
Last 3 scores have been super.
Rossies seem have a better game plan, or at least know what the game plan is. Galway look more disjointed, but still have the talent to win
You have to question the mentality of the Galway players. Some of them are bottling out of challenges here.
Kevin Walsh's mindset is to manage through fear and negativity and it seeps through to the players. His time is up.
Kerin lucky lad to stay on the field
Why was Michael Daly taken off?
I just saw that the referee has a GPS pack in his jersey - does his physical stats be measured by an assessor?
Why on earth was that a free? It's like the ref just gave a free because the goalie went down, and now he's wasting more time.
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 16, 2019, 05:29:39 PM
Why was Michael Daly taken off?
Bizarre decision. He didn't seem injured anyway.
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 16, 2019, 05:29:39 PM
Why was Michael Daly taken off?
Scored a great point! Galways only point of the half...
Rossies want this badly.
Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
Why on earth was that a free? It's like the ref just gave a free because the goalie went down, and now he's wasting more time.
Standard over protection of goalkeepers.
Galway have scored 1 point in the second half
Quote from: square_ball on June 16, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
Why on earth was that a free? It's like the ref just gave a free because the goalie went down, and now he's wasting more time.
Standard over protection of goalkeepers.
At same stage, forward should be clever enough to make no contact in small square. Whether a foul or not, contact in the small square is always given as a free
Quote from: Hound on June 16, 2019, 05:36:00 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 16, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
Why on earth was that a free? It's like the ref just gave a free because the goalie went down, and now he's wasting more time.
Standard over protection of goalkeepers.
At same stage, forward should be clever enough to make no contact in small square. Whether a foul or not, contact in the small square is always given as a free
My point is I feel goalkeepers get over protected in those situations. Any touch at all and it's a free 99% of the time.
7 mins added time. Well done ref.
Not perfect, but ref has made less mistakes than most of the 30 odd players
Brings on Molloy in injury time. I give up.
Galway very poor in 2nd half. Losing all the 50:50 challenges.
What a catch by orourke.
And what a point by cox!
Madness
Galway are brutal.
Quote from: square_ball on June 16, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: Schkite on June 16, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
Why on earth was that a free? It's like the ref just gave a free because the goalie went down, and now he's wasting more time.
Standard over protection of goalkeepers.
Ah yeah I get that, just think it's gone beyond a joke. Maybe a light hand was placed on the keeper then he fell like a sack of spuds, and only then the ref blew for a free. Refs need to be alot stronger in that regard, in this case he could have blown for a free in for the keeper lying on the ball.
Quote from: trailer on June 16, 2019, 05:39:45 PM
Galway very poor in 2nd half. Losing all the 50:50 challenges.
Cowardly stuff really. The manager has their confidence in the bin because everything with him is negative and based on containing the opposition.
Well done the Rossies, although they should really wait until the end of the game to invade the pitch.
Great scenes. Love the Roscommon celebrations.
That was great gas. Well done Ros.
Unbelievable Jeff.
Anthony Cunningham should get man of the match. Destroyed his opponent!
being connaght champions dont mean much
Well done the Rossies.
Well done the Rossies! ;D
Looks like Mayo and Galways cycle is over! :o
Well done the Rossies
Huge improvement after the collapse of the previous regime.
Galway taken out 2 days in a row by Galway managers.
You wonder what Galway think they want to achieve. Fair enough they got a trimming against Dublin but that doesn't mean you have to play every game like you're trying to avoid a hammering. Fair play Roscommon, another Connacht title and a place in the last 8 again.
Brilliant second half from Roscommon, Galway just didn't want to know about it.
Thought Barry Cassidy was absolutely shocking and he lost control of the game late on. Roscommon were very streetwise and Galway really undisciplined and naive as the game wore on.
Well done Rossies, Galway a busted flush it would seem.
Fair play to the Rossies. Listowel man Conor Cox was best player on the pitch.
Quote from: irish345 on June 16, 2019, 05:45:44 PM
being connaght champions dont mean much
Must try harder
Quote from: thejuice on June 16, 2019, 05:48:35 PM
You wonder what Galway think they want to achieve. Fair enough they got a trimming against Dublin but that doesn't mean you have to play every game like you're trying to avoid a hammering. Fair play Roscommon, another Connacht title and a place in the last 8 again.
I just don't think they are good enough, defence very poor and for all the nice forwards they have they really miss Comer as they don't seem to have any other ball winners up top. Shane Walsh as the all the ability you want but his decision making and leadership is not there.
Kevin Walsh won't survive that. Even if Galway get a couple wins in the qualifiers. I think we've seen enough now.
Michael Foley described them well just there "a team trapped inside their own heads".
Well done Roscommon.
Just put on Willie Hegarty for last 5 minutes, he blew a head gasket.
He is hilarious
Quote from: seafoid on June 16, 2019, 05:46:46 PM
Well done the Rossies
Huge improvement after the collapse of the previous regime.
Galway taken out 2 days in a row by Galway managers.
County board should do everything they can to poach Cunningham back next year. Exactly what the footballers need.
Delighted to see Kevin Walsh done like this, absolutely destroying Galway football, I'd love a craicAt them in Croke Park.
Fair play to Anthony Cunningham, the Rossies are playing great football, excellent tackling, and Conor Cox is phenomenal. I couldn't pick out what he changed at HT but he must have done something?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 16, 2019, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: irish345 on June 16, 2019, 05:45:44 PM
being connaght champions dont mean much
Must try harder
Unfortunately no board moderation, so that clown can post his nonsense at will.
Quote from: thejuice on June 16, 2019, 05:48:35 PM
You wonder what Galway think they want to achieve. Fair enough they got a trimming against Dublin but that doesn't mean you have to play every game like you're trying to avoid a hammering. Fair play Roscommon, another Connacht title and a place in the last 8 again.
Very good point on Galway set up.
Very poor effort by sideline and players.
Completely leaderless on the field.
Comer presence is missing in forward line. Crazy taking off Mick Daly as well.
Roscommon were cleaned out at midfield in the first half of both games, absolutely destroyed. It's hard to comprehend how a team can come back from that and function with essentially no midfield
Strange that Kevin Walsh took off Cooke as well and replaced him with a much smaller guy in Kelly. No surprise Roscommon got a bit of a hold around midfield towards the end of the game.
Fair play to Roscommon, a fully deserved win. Great to see such joy at the end of the game. Galway seemed shocked from the goal Ros got early in the second half and never recovered. Mighty full forward line too. Hard to know where Galway go now.
Enjoyed that. Well done the Rossies. Brings bring memories of what a competitive province is all about.
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 16, 2019, 06:12:46 PM
Strange that Kevin Walsh took off Cooke as well and replaced him with a much smaller guy in Kelly. No surprise Roscommon got a bit of a hold around midfield towards the end of the game.
His substitutions were basket case stuff. Put on Molloy and Farragher in injury time. Hauled off Daly when he was the only fella scoring by then.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
Fair play to Roscommon, a fully deserved win. Great to see such joy at the end of the game. Galway seemed shocked from the goal Ros got early in the second half and never recovered. Mighty full forward line too. Hard to know where Galway go now.
Comer a big loss in fairness.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
Kevin Walsh won't survive that. Even if Galway get a couple wins in the qualifiers. I think we've seen enough now.
Michael Foley described them well just there "a team trapped inside their own heads".
Like us Sligo bucks said at the time he should never have got this job. He's wasting that talented group. The defending for the goal was farcical.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
Enjoyed that. Well done the Rossies. Brings bring memories of what a competitive province is all about.
Ah Dinny, there are DVDs out there that commemorate that relatively brief period in history when Kildare were genuinely competitive in Leinster 😉
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 16, 2019, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
Kevin Walsh won't survive that. Even if Galway get a couple wins in the qualifiers. I think we've seen enough now.
Michael Foley described them well just there "a team trapped inside their own heads".
Like us Sligo bucks said at the time he should never have got this job. He's wasting that talented group. The defending for the goal was farcical.
Same defending last year for Roscommon's first goal
Well done Roscommon. A well deserved and famous Connacht final win. Will be remembered in Ross for many a day I would say
Quote from: Hound on June 16, 2019, 06:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
Enjoyed that. Well done the Rossies. Brings bring memories of what a competitive province is all about.
Ah Dinny, there are DVDs out there that commemorate that relatively brief period in history when Kildare were genuinely competitive in Leinster 😉
In fairness that a great kildare side. Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer, Brian Murphy and Cathal Sheridan were great additions along with greatest manager of all time. If Declan Browne had gone would have won more Leinsters and possibly an All Ireland.
The 15+ minutes before half time, Galway were completely on top in terrible conditions. Winning everything in midfield. Deservedly go 5 points up at the break.
Sun comes out for the start of the second half. Galway have the breeze and he has them sitting back on their haunches waiting for Roscommon to do something and to be fair Roscommon said "feck this we might as well have a go anyway" and they duly got their goal. And Galway stay in that negative mindset until the last few minutes when they are forced to have a go themselves but it's too late by then.
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 16, 2019, 06:21:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 16, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
Enjoyed that. Well done the Rossies. Brings bring memories of what a competitive province is all about.
Ah Dinny, there are DVDs out there that commemorate that relatively brief period in history when Kildare were genuinely competitive in Leinster 😉
In fairness that a great kildare side. Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer, Brian Murphy and Cathal Sheridan were great additions along with greatest manager of all time. If Declan Browne had gone would have won more Leinsters and possibly an All Ireland.
Unlucky not to win Sam.
Martin Lynch my fav Kildare player. Could do anything
Wille McCreery, Rainbow and Eddie McCormack were top players too.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
The 15+ minutes before half time, Galway were completely on top in terrible conditions. Winning everything in midfield. Deservedly go 5 points up at the break.
Sun comes out for the start of the second half. Galway have the breeze and he has them sitting back on their haunches waiting for Roscommon to do something and to be fair Roscommon said "feck this we might as well have a go anyway" and they duly got their goal. And Galway stay in that negative mindset until the last few minutes when they are forced to have a go themselves but it's too late by then.
Absolutely. Time for Walsh to go, just too negative and a zero sub strategy. What transpired today in the 2nd half is not acceptable at IC level. Absolutely disgusted with that "performance".
Fair dues to the Rossies--the best in the west, without a doubt.
Neither Mayo nor Galway can have any complaints after today.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
The 15+ minutes before half time, Galway were completely on top in terrible conditions. Winning everything in midfield. Deservedly go 5 points up at the break.
Sun comes out for the start of the second half. Galway have the breeze and he has them sitting back on their haunches waiting for Roscommon to do something and to be fair Roscommon said "feck this we might as well have a go anyway" and they duly got their goal. And Galway stay in that negative mindset until the last few minutes when they are forced to have a go themselves but it's too late by then.
Managers tend to ship too much blame sometimes. Roscommon hugely upped it in the second half and Galway didn't want to know about it. To me you have to be asking questions of the players there on how they can be in so much control of the game and end up getting beaten all over the pitch.
Were Roscommon not defensively set up ?
I think sequence of events knocked Galway, really if Galway had a couple of points first 10 mins of 2nd half instead of conceding 5 they prob would have kicked on. Once Roscommon were close they were intense and defensive which just further added to Galway's wilt. If Kevin Walsh has questions to answer it's about his ability to react to a situation rather than the way the team was set up.
Well done to Roscommon but I did not see anything particularly impressive bar huge intensity once they clawed their way back but that's not going to happen everyday.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 16, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
The 15+ minutes before half time, Galway were completely on top in terrible conditions. Winning everything in midfield. Deservedly go 5 points up at the break.
Sun comes out for the start of the second half. Galway have the breeze and he has them sitting back on their haunches waiting for Roscommon to do something and to be fair Roscommon said "feck this we might as well have a go anyway" and they duly got their goal. And Galway stay in that negative mindset until the last few minutes when they are forced to have a go themselves but it's too late by then.
Absolutely. Time for Walsh to go, just too negative and a zero sub strategy. What transpired today in the 2nd half is not acceptable at IC level. Absolutely disgusted with that "performance".
Walsh has Galway playing in a way that has them looking like the lesser of their parts.
The 2nd half performance for Galway was not that dissimilar to their league game against Dublin where Galway went completely missing for the 2nd half.
Galway only scored 2 points in the 2nd half there as well.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 16, 2019, 07:02:30 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 16, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
The 15+ minutes before half time, Galway were completely on top in terrible conditions. Winning everything in midfield. Deservedly go 5 points up at the break.
Sun comes out for the start of the second half. Galway have the breeze and he has them sitting back on their haunches waiting for Roscommon to do something and to be fair Roscommon said "feck this we might as well have a go anyway" and they duly got their goal. And Galway stay in that negative mindset until the last few minutes when they are forced to have a go themselves but it's too late by then.
Absolutely. Time for Walsh to go, just too negative and a zero sub strategy. What transpired today in the 2nd half is not acceptable at IC level. Absolutely disgusted with that "performance".
Walsh has Galway playing in a way that has them looking like the lesser of their parts.
The 2nd half performance for Galway was not that dissimilar to their league game against Dublin where Galway went completely missing for the 2nd half.
Galway only scored 2 points in the 2nd half there as well.
It's a recurring theme under this management.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 16, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
The 15+ minutes before half time, Galway were completely on top in terrible conditions. Winning everything in midfield. Deservedly go 5 points up at the break.
Sun comes out for the start of the second half. Galway have the breeze and he has them sitting back on their haunches waiting for Roscommon to do something and to be fair Roscommon said "feck this we might as well have a go anyway" and they duly got their goal. And Galway stay in that negative mindset until the last few minutes when they are forced to have a go themselves but it's too late by then.
Absolutely. Time for Walsh to go, just too negative and a zero sub strategy. What transpired today in the 2nd half is not acceptable at IC level. Absolutely disgusted with that "performance".
Wonder how much of the Galway "negativity", and inability to push on is due to their coaching over the past few years.
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 16, 2019, 06:12:46 PM
Strange that Kevin Walsh took off Cooke as well and replaced him with a much smaller guy in Kelly. No surprise Roscommon got a bit of a hold around midfield towards the end of the game.
Watch the incident between himself and Daly , Cooke lost his bottle after the push about , it was very evident on tv , he got completely frightened , backed out of tackling after , his arms were all floppy etc
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
In fairness that a great kildare side. Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer, Brian Murphy and Cathal Sheridan were great additions along with greatest manager of all time. If Declan Browne had gone would have won more Leinsters and possibly an All Ireland.
Was that a possibility at one stage?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 16, 2019, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
In fairness that a great kildare side. Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer, Brian Murphy and Cathal Sheridan were great additions along with greatest manager of all time. If Declan Browne had gone would have won more Leinsters and possibly an All Ireland.
Was that a possibility at one stage?
Would have been a nice backup for Padraig Graven.
Well done Roscommon.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 16, 2019, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
In fairness that a great kildare side. Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer, Brian Murphy and Cathal Sheridan were great additions along with greatest manager of all time. If Declan Browne had gone would have won more Leinsters and possibly an All Ireland.
Was that a possibility at one stage?
He was working in Maynooth but stayed loyal to Tipp
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 16, 2019, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 16, 2019, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
In fairness that a great kildare side. Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer, Brian Murphy and Cathal Sheridan were great additions along with greatest manager of all time. If Declan Browne had gone would have won more Leinsters and possibly an All Ireland.
Was that a possibility at one stage?
Would have been a nice backup for Padraig Graven.
Well done Roscommon.
:D :D. I see he was in trouble with the law in Chicago
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 16, 2019, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 16, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
In fairness that a great kildare side. Brian Lacey, Karl O'Dwyer, Brian Murphy and Cathal Sheridan were great additions along with greatest manager of all time. If Declan Browne had gone would have won more Leinsters and possibly an All Ireland.
Was that a possibility at one stage?
He was working in Maynooth but stayed loyal to Tipp
There was a bit of "media talk" to it definitely - don't know how serious it was.
Bizarre thing is Galway's shooting in the first half in terrible conditions was fantastic. I believe they scored 0-10 from 11 shots.
With a breeze and the sun on their backs in the second half they just lost all shape and collapsed.
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 06:30:33 PM
The 15+ minutes before half time, Galway were completely on top in terrible conditions. Winning everything in midfield. Deservedly go 5 points up at the break.
Sun comes out for the start of the second half. Galway have the breeze and he has them sitting back on their haunches waiting for Roscommon to do something and to be fair Roscommon said "feck this we might as well have a go anyway" and they duly got their goal. And Galway stay in that negative mindset until the last few minutes when they are forced to have a go themselves but it's too late by then.
Absolutely. Time for Walsh to go, just too negative and a zero sub strategy. What transpired today in the 2nd half is not acceptable at IC level. Absolutely disgusted with that "performance".
Wonder how much of the Galway "negativity", and inability to push on is due to their coaching over the past few years.
All of it. Piss poor 2nd half, fair play to roscommon they went for it and won. Pity about all the lying down they were at, they didn't need to be at that. Galway were a shambles and I think Kevin Walsh is finally being found out.
Where has Michael Farragher gone to?
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 16, 2019, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 16, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
Kevin Walsh won't survive that. Even if Galway get a couple wins in the qualifiers. I think we've seen enough now.
Michael Foley described them well just there "a team trapped inside their own heads".
Like us Sligo bucks said at the time he should never have got this job. He's wasting that talented group. The defending for the goal was farcical.
And like with us he would appear to be overstaying his welcome. How they conspired to lose it from that HT position only they will know.
Congrats to Roscommon though, deserved that win in the end.
A bit strange that Conor Cox wasn't given much chance with Kerry. Barry John Keane was coming on in games for a few years, and Cox looks a much superior player. He was outstanding with UCC for 3 or 4 years.
Quote from: rodney trotter on June 16, 2019, 08:39:13 PM
A bit strange that Conor Cox wasn't given much chance with Kerry. Barry John Keane was coming on in games for a few years, and Cox looks a much superior player. He was outstanding with UCC for 3 or 4 years.
I was thinking the same, his finishing and ball winning are as good as anything I've seen this year.
Well done Roscommon, beating 2 X D1 teams away from home is a good way to win a connacht title
Well done to the Ros! Well deserved winners!
As a matter of interest who is the s&c coach for the Ros? They seemed to have come on a long way in this area.
Congratulations to Roscommon earned the win the hard way and once got their noses in front Galway weren't allowed back into. A very dominating 2nd half making them good value for the margin of victory. The win all the more impressive when you consider three key players Devaney Smith and Cregg was lost to injury.
As for Galway good first half but faded badly 2nd half, they have 3 weeks to pick up the pieces now and are still capable of reaching the last 8.
Quote from: thebackbar1 on June 16, 2019, 09:04:51 PM
Well done to the Ros! Well deserved winners!
As a matter of interest who is the s&c coach for the Ros? They seemed to have come on a long way in this area.
You mean, they actually started doing some.
Previous management didn't really believe in it
Hard to put into words how disappointing that second half was.
For most of it we had no option inside in the ff line for quick ball.
Anytime there was someone inside he was double marked.
Ian Burke spent the majority of the second half outside the 45 and a lot of it in our own half.
How in Gods name is that allowed to happen at county level?
Our style of play means when we turn the ball over we simply cannot punish the other team on a quick counter attack and catch them out of position.
At one stage Brannigan won a ball in our half and started to hare away.
He looked up and we had one single player isolated in the ff line with nobody else in their half to link the play. So he had to turn back and restart the slow painful buildup again.
Just criminal stuff in that second half.
Two final points - my heart sank when I heard Power was being replaced before throw in.
Let's call a spade a spade Power is a better keeper than Lavelle - kick outs much much better.
Lavelle is too inconsistent and he was poor again today.
Today showed once again that Sean Andy is a livability who cannot defend one on one.
He had to be dropped.
Congrats to Ros - they more than deserved the win based on the second half performances of both teams.
Ohhh yesssss :D
Change to dry clothes and out for some liquid......
Yooohooooo
That was a shambles, and it began with the announcement that Lavelle and Cooke were playing. Lavelle is a disaster on kick outs, Cooke hasn't played since March and you could see he wasn't match fit. Fiontán was another one who wasn't able for the pace of this game, he was given the run around more than once. Shane Walsh was left up front as finisher for Ian Burke to feed but that didn't work, Burke needs someone like Comer or Martin Farragher beside him. We needed to drive on after half time and that was the time to introduce runners like Molloy and McDaid to give Ros something different to think about but again our management wait until something goes wrong to react. Waiting until the 70th (?) minute to bring on Farragher and Molloy was an insult to those 2 players. The attitude of the whole team is wrong, this constant negative football is draining to watch, it must be horrendous altogether to play. Once Roscommon went a point ahead that was it, Galway gave up. We have serious talent in that panel but it's being wasted completely by Walsh and his constant negativity and bad management.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2019, 09:18:28 PM
Ohhh yesssss :D
Change to dry clothes and out for some liquid......
Yooohooooo
Comhghairdeas Rossfan. Enjoy whatever liquid you have!
Quote from: galwayman on June 16, 2019, 09:11:25 PM
Hard to put into words how disappointing that second half was.
For most of it we had no option inside in the ff line for quick ball.
Anytime there was someone inside he was double marked.
Ian Burke spent the majority of the second half outside the 45 and a lot of it in our own half.
How in Gods name is that allowed to happen at county level?
Our style of play means when we turn the ball over we simply cannot punish the other team on a quick counter attack and catch them out of position.
At one stage Brannigan won a ball in our half and started to hare away.
He looked up and we had one single player isolated in the ff line with nobody else in their half to link the play. So he had to turn back and restart the slow painful buildup again.
Just criminal stuff in that second half.
Two final points - my heart sank when I heard Power was being replaced before throw in.
Let's call a spade a spade Power is a better keeper than Lavelle - kick outs much much better.
Lavelle is too inconsistent and he was poor again today.
Today showed once again that Sean Andy is a livability who cannot defend one on one.
He had to be dropped.
Congrats to Ros - they more than deserved the win based on the second half performances of both teams.
I think a lot of Galway's problems today stemmed from the fact that they had the likes of Burke and O'Laoi inside who are nice players but will really struggle to win ball particulalry when Roscommon were well organised defensively. The modern game dictates that you need guys who can win ball inside. Roscommon had a couple of inside forwards today who showed well for the ball, were able to win it and then able to convert - that was the difference between the sides for me.
Galway badly, badly miss Comer. They look a shadow of the side without him.
Ian Burke seems to be taking an awful lot of flak for the forwards performance on social media, he didn't have his best day but he's missing having that big full forward beside him, added to that the ball into him was cat bad. The way the forward line was set up was never going to suit Burke's game. Well done to Roscommon and Anthony Cunningham by the way, they outplayed and outfought this Galway team again today.
Can't help but wonder has Sean Andy been badly coached at senipr level. I remember seeing him at minor and thinking he was the best out and out full back i could remember watching. He was excellent at u21 too but seems a liability at senior.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 16, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Can't help but wonder has Sean Andy been badly coached at senipr level. I remember seeing him at minor and thinking he was the best out and out full back i could remember watching. He was excellent at u21 too but seems a liability at senior.
He had a decent year last year but throughout the league this year and into championship he's a liability at full back, the only way he can stop a forward is by fouling, he rarely makes a decent tackle.
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
That was a shambles, and it began with the announcement that Lavelle and Cooke were playing. Lavelle is a disaster on kick outs, Cooke hasn't played since March and you could see he wasn't match fit. Fiontán was another one who wasn't able for the pace of this game, he was given the run around more than once. Shane Walsh was left up front as finisher for Ian Burke to feed but that didn't work, Burke needs someone like Comer or Martin Farragher beside him. We needed to drive on after half time and that was the time to introduce runners like Molloy and McDaid to give Ros something different to think about but again our management wait until something goes wrong to react. Waiting until the 70th (?) minute to bring on Farragher and Molloy was an insult to those 2 players. The attitude of the whole team is wrong, this constant negative football is draining to watch, it must be horrendous altogether to play. Once Roscommon went a point ahead that was it, Galway gave up. We have serious talent in that panel but it's being wasted completely by Walsh and his constant negativity and bad management.
I think FOC was actually doing OK but he was obviously carrying that injury a bit and had to come off early. Cooke another who was not match fit with no football in his legs.
Think that's the worst I've ever seen Ian Burke play. And I mean ever. He was fumbling balls and slipping over every two minutes.
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Ian Burke seems to be taking an awful lot of flak for the forwards performance on social media, he didn't have his best day but he's missing having that big full forward beside him, added to that the ball into him was cat bad. The way the forward line was set up was never going to suit Burke's game. Well done to Roscommon and Anthony Cunningham by the way, they outplayed and outfought this Galway team again today.
There was plenty on decent ball sent into Ian today and he fumbled nearly everything that came his way today - easily the worst performance he has put in for a long time. The forward play in the second half was non existent. It was a horrible performance and Walsh's position is no longer tenable IMO, he has to go along with his management team.
I think all in all our forwards had a nightmare, Mike Daly was about the best of a bad lot and he was taken off ::)
well done the rossies you have now beaten Mayo & Galway away, you must be doing something right!
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Ian Burke seems to be taking an awful lot of flak for the forwards performance on social media, he didn't have his best day but he's missing having that big full forward beside him, added to that the ball into him was cat bad. The way the forward line was set up was never going to suit Burke's game. Well done to Roscommon and Anthony Cunningham by the way, they outplayed and outfought this Galway team again today.
Ah now come on - all of the balls that he fumbled cannot be blamed on anyone/anything else.
He just wasn't at the races today.
Sure he would be better served feeding off a guy like Comer inside but that is irrelevant to all of the basic handling mistakes Ian made today. I'm a huge fan of his but he hasn't been firing this year at all.
Quite why he was played so deep in the second half remains a mystery though!
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 16, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Can't help but wonder has Sean Andy been badly coached at senipr level. I remember seeing him at minor and thinking he was the best out and out full back i could remember watching. He was excellent at u21 too but seems a liability at senior.
He had a decent year last year but throughout the league this year and into championship he's a liability at full back, the only way he can stop a forward is by fouling, he rarely makes a decent tackle.
I remember seeing him in an U21 game (can't remember who it was against) and he was absolutely dominating the lad he was marking but it was pretty much all based on his physical advantage - catching high ball over the forward's head, just being physically too strong and fast for the forward to compete with - can't help but think he never developed the full range of proper defensive skills underage because he didn't need to as he pretty much always had the phycial advantage over opponents - now he's competing with forwards that he doesn't have a physical advantage over he just doesn't know how to defend them without fouling.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 16, 2019, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 16, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Can't help but wonder has Sean Andy been badly coached at senipr level. I remember seeing him at minor and thinking he was the best out and out full back i could remember watching. He was excellent at u21 too but seems a liability at senior.
He had a decent year last year but throughout the league this year and into championship he's a liability at full back, the only way he can stop a forward is by fouling, he rarely makes a decent tackle.
I remember seeing him in an U21 game (can't remember who it was against) and he was absolutely dominating the lad he was marking but it was pretty much all based on his physical advantage - catching high ball over the forward's head, just being physically too strong and fast for the forward to compete with - can't help but think he never developed the full range of proper defensive skills underage because he didn't need to as he pretty much always had the phycial advantage over opponents - now he's competing with forwards that he doesn't have a physical advantage over he just doesn't know how to defend them without fouling.
That's it in a nutshell, think it was against Dublin he really stood out in an u-21 game, he was marking Con O'Callaghan I think and did a job on him.
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 16, 2019, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 16, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
Can't help but wonder has Sean Andy been badly coached at senipr level. I remember seeing him at minor and thinking he was the best out and out full back i could remember watching. He was excellent at u21 too but seems a liability at senior.
He had a decent year last year but throughout the league this year and into championship he's a liability at full back, the only way he can stop a forward is by fouling, he rarely makes a decent tackle.
I remember seeing him in an U21 game (can't remember who it was against) and he was absolutely dominating the lad he was marking but it was pretty much all based on his physical advantage - catching high ball over the forward's head, just being physically too strong and fast for the forward to compete with - can't help but think he never developed the full range of proper defensive skills underage because he didn't need to as he pretty much always had the phycial advantage over opponents - now he's competing with forwards that he doesn't have a physical advantage over he just doesn't know how to defend them without fouling.
That's it in a nutshell, think it was against Dublin he really stood out in an u-21 game, he was marking Con O'Callaghan I think and did a job on him.
He made dust of our full forward Matty Sullivan in a 21 game in 2017. KW should play Sean Andy at centre back or midfield.
Congratulations to the Rossies. Enjoy the celebrations.
Just watched the highlights for my sins. Amateurish defending for the goal. Bradshaw was tracking Cregg but Sean Andy still went towards him instead of covering Murtagh. Defending 101. And Lavelle somehow managed to make himself a smaller obstacle by turning sideways for the shot instead of spreading himself.
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Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Ian Burke seems to be taking an awful lot of flak for the forwards performance on social media, he didn't have his best day but he's missing having that big full forward beside him, added to that the ball into him was cat bad. The way the forward line was set up was never going to suit Burke's game. Well done to Roscommon and Anthony Cunningham by the way, they outplayed and outfought this Galway team again today.
There was plenty on decent ball sent into Ian today and he fumbled nearly everything that came his way today - easily the worst performance he has put in for a long time. The forward play in the second half was non existent. It was a horrible performance and Walsh's position is no longer tenable IMO, he has to go along with his management team.
From the moment Ian Burke backed out of going down on the ball after 30 seconds until the end he was terrible, no point in dressing it up any other way, he should have been hooked first out of any of them up front, absolutely cleaned out and offered nothing today.
Before I get the the Galway post mortem, big congrats to the Rossies, only team to come out to play in the second half, they upped it to a real championship intensity and the Galway effort wilted under the strain. Fair play to Anthony Cunningham, fantastic record and success in both codes with a variety of teams.
As for Galway? Well I think you have to separate two things, the result and the performance. The result is not good obviously but if Galway had lost a tight game in which they had competed then you can take it on the chin easier, it might have been an unlucky goal or a superb point from the opposition that could have been the reason we lost, that's acceptable while the performance is there, no shame losing to a better team on the day if you play reasonably to the form you are capable of.
The fact that the second half performance was so wretched is the killer and while Kevin Walsh will be eviscerated after this (which isn't totally wrong either) the players have to take a large portion of the blame. They put themselves into a good position with very efficient shooting in the first half in brutal conditions yet they sleepwalked back out of the dressing room at ht and when it became a difficult championship test, when the match required leaders, they managed a meagre two points, only one in the actual 35 minute period. Of course people can point to absentees like Comer but the Rossies were down a number of players themselves and what turned it around for Roscommon in the second half has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with attitude and execution.
Whatever about the league matches which went ok for the most part, it was all about how the team would perform in the championship. The results are stark, two poor performances against London and Sligo and now a collapse with probably the worst 35 minutes of the Kevin Walsh era - and there is a some serious competition on that front.
The second half collapse today was akin to what we saw against Tyrone in the league, the inability to change mid game if required both on the line and on the pitch - it's not the first time this has been an issue.
I'm loath to say it as Galway are still in the championship and it is kicking a man while he is down but Kevin Walsh's tenure has surely - unless there is some miracle turnaround, which being perfectly honest I don't see happening - run it's course now. Taking Daly off today when he at least looked like he could get a score from long range and leaving some of the other players on was madness. The lack of earlier substitutions to change it up when Galway were clearly in big trouble was bizarre. Bringing on Varley who hasn't kicked a ball all year ahead of other options?
In fairness to Kevin Walsh has done an awful lot right for Galway, some people have forgotten that but anyone who had to sit through the Wexford and Antrim losses at the start of this decade not to mention the hammerings from Mayo will realise that we were on the floor, stuck in Division Two and it's moved on considerably from that. People clamouring for on all out attack pattern of play will get a rude awakening on that as well because some of the players back there, as have been mentioned here in other posts, are simply not good enough at the art of defending in a one on one or 50/50 situation. I think KW knows this and it's a lot of the reason for the style of play that has been adopted. That is no excuse for not being able to execute well in other areas of the pitch however and there is no invention up front, Comer covered up a lot of weaknesses in that area last year and hasn't been around to do the same this year.
That said about some of the good points from KW's reign, realistically I think it's come to a natural end now and a different voice is required. Whether that will bring any improvement from where we are remains to be seen because the players are not blameless here by any strech but I don't think it's going to turn around into a better place again under Kevin Walsh.
I'd be very afraid for the Galway team in that Round 4 qualifier match, given the performances to date they are likely to miss out on the Super 8s unless they get another team on a bad day (what would a full tilt Mayo or Tyrone do against a Galway performance like today?!), which would be a disaster and I've less optimism this evening than I've had for a long time regarding the Seniors, moreso looking at the championship performances to date than just the result today against a fully deserving Connacht champion Roscommon team.
Where is Syferus?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2019, 09:18:28 PM
Ohhh yesssss :D
Change to dry clothes and out for some liquid......
Yooohooooo
Comhghairdeas Rossfan. Enjoy whatever liquid you have!
+ 1. Roscommon were fully deserved winners today and the match V Mayo as well.
Like you Farr. I was only hopeful of Mayo's chances v Ros. that night ( for good reasons) and I also said that if Ros. beat Mayo there was no reason they wouldn't beat Galway as well.
Tactically Mayo was riddled in the usual way under Horan but Roscommon showed great resolve to see that game out.
I fancied Ros. to win today because I think they have more better footballers than Galway do right now. Better keeper, better ball-playing defenders and better forwards. When Roscommon trusted their midfield in second half in the old way, they were better there too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 16, 2019, 09:18:28 PM
Ohhh yesssss :D
Change to dry clothes and out for some liquid......
Yooohooooo
Comhghairdeas Rossfan. Enjoy whatever liquid you have!
Go raibh maith agat a Fharr.
I had some grand pinteens with some panellists families.
Days like today make up for all the pain and heartache and trips to Carlow, Casement and Ballyragget and conceding 4-24 and being laughed at and being condescended to and they laughed at our bus etc etc.
First team to qualify for the last 8, 3 years in a row in the Quarters....ah fk it time for bed...
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2019, 02:44:07 AM
and they laughed at our bus etc etc.
Brilliant ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Enjoy the celebrations
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Where is Syferus?
Enjoying it, and he's dead bloody right to.
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:21:30 PM
That was a shambles, and it began with the announcement that Lavelle and Cooke were playing. Lavelle is a disaster on kick outs, Cooke hasn't played since March and you could see he wasn't match fit. Fiontán was another one who wasn't able for the pace of this game, he was given the run around more than once. Shane Walsh was left up front as finisher for Ian Burke to feed but that didn't work, Burke needs someone like Comer or Martin Farragher beside him. We needed to drive on after half time and that was the time to introduce runners like Molloy and McDaid to give Ros something different to think about but again our management wait until something goes wrong to react. Waiting until the 70th (?) minute to bring on Farragher and Molloy was an insult to those 2 players. The attitude of the whole team is wrong, this constant negative football is draining to watch, it must be horrendous altogether to play. Once Roscommon went a point ahead that was it, Galway gave up. We have serious talent in that panel but it's being wasted completely by Walsh and his constant negativity and bad management.
That's a good assessment of how I saw Galway in that game. The decision not to drive on in the opening minutes of the second half, instead parking every player in defense is Walsh's doctrine, the Rossies used the wing well and coupled with some shambolic blanket defending, Galway fell apart as a team. Probably time to find another coach.
The ref had a very good game, made good decisions and stood up well to some angry menacing players twice his size.
I would agree with you on Walsh. I have never thought he has been a particularly great manager and think Galway should probably change him.
I wouldn't agree on the ref. I thought he wasn't good at all (on both sides) and it could have spilled over with his lack of control.
On the referee, failed to give the Ros keeper a free out when he was tackled by two men inside the square. then at the end gave him a free out when he clearly hadn't been touched and was sooooo obviously killing time.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 17, 2019, 10:43:54 AM
I would agree with you on Walsh. I have never thought he has been a particularly great manager and think Galway should probably change him.
I wouldn't agree on the ref. I thought he wasn't good at all (on both sides) and it could have spilled over with his lack of control.
he must hate the sight of Roscommon
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Well done Rossies. I do think this is the best thing that could happen to Galway with regard to an All Ireland. I think they'll still end up getting further than Roscommon.
Still trying to come to terms with that second half turnaround.
Probably the best 35 minutes I've experienced following Ros teams over the years.
A serious statement made by our lads as 2 monkeys now off the backs.
What can one say about the Dalys ...steel, attitude, just the right amount of badness, and to think a previous regime didn't want them.
Cox... that 1st half point he shouldn't have even tried for it from that position.
We really lost the plot and shape after Devaney went off and the monsoon came down, got totally sloppy and looked like our goose was cooked at half time.
A calm refocusing in the dressing room and we started to play as we can ....and the rest is history.
This week is for basking in the glow, then put the cup away on Smith's sideboard and get ready for July and August big game football (once again!) with more hope and confidence this year.
Quote from: ck on June 17, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
Well done Rossies. I do think this is the best thing that could happen to Galway with regard to an All Ireland. I think they'll still end up getting further than Roscommon.
Can't agree on what I've seen all year so far, we're playing shite all championship, we'll be doing well to win the next match. Lot of blame on KW but the players have to own that disaster yesterday as well.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 17, 2019, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: ck on June 17, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
Well done Rossies. I do think this is the best thing that could happen to Galway with regard to an All Ireland. I think they'll still end up getting further than Roscommon.
Can't agree on what I've seen all year so far, we're playing shite all championship, we'll be doing well to win the next match. Lot of blame on KW but the players have to own that disaster yesterday as well.
Would have to agree with that. From the day I watched us get destroyed by Cork 2 months ago with a reasonably strong team out I have feared the worst. Of course challenge games are totally unreliable but something about the body language of the players that night gave me the sense that all was not well.
Getting outmuscled and outfought the way we were in the second half yesterday simply should not be happening at this level and unfortunately this is not the first time it has happened with this bunch of players.
Sometimes in games they just simply don't have the stomach for the battle and that's the most galling thing for me as a supporter who follows them everywhere.
Would be remiss of me not to congratulate the Rossies on their win yesterday - thorough deserved based on that 2nd half performance. Hope to see ye give the super 8s a much better rattle this year.
Must be up there with one of Roscommon's finest ever Connacht title wins having beaten both Galway and Mayo two established and top 5 teams in their own back yards.
Nobody should be surprised by this Roscommon success at senior level though, 2007-2016 Roscommon reached 9 Connacht under 21 finals winning 4 (should have been 6 wins as the 2013,2016 titles was left behind them) and these Roscommon lads have beaten the current Mayo and Galway county players numerous times at minor and under 21 between 2006-16 so was only natural that Roscommon would eventually beat both to win a senior Connacht title. Next step should be keeping a good manager in Anthony Cunningham on as long as possible.
Some moaning mary's might not agree but i thought the field celebrations was great and produced fabulous scenes and pictures from it. Whatever about Leinster,Munster the Connacht provincial championship is alive and well. Well done to Roscommon turned last year defeat in Hyde park (12 scores to 16) totally on its head.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 17, 2019, 01:06:08 PM
Must be up there with one of Roscommon's finest ever Connacht title wins having beaten both Galway and Mayo two established and top 5 teams in their own back yards.
Nobody should be surprised by this Roscommon success at senior level though, 2007-2016 Roscommon reached 9 Connacht under 21 finals winning 4 (should have been 6 wins as the 2013,2016 titles was left behind them) and these Roscommon lads have beaten the current Mayo and Galway county players numerous times at minor and under 21 between 2006-16 so was only natural that Roscommon would eventually beat both to win a senior Connacht title. Next step should be keeping a good manager in Anthony Cunningham on as long as possible.
Some moaning mary's might not agree but i thought the field celebrations was great and produced fabulous scenes and pictures from it. Whatever about Leinster,Munster the Connacht provincial championship is alive and well. Well done to Roscommon turned last year defeat in Hyde park (12 scores to 16) totally on its head.
2018 final was level on 65 mins. In fact Roscommon led for most of that game
there's been a lot of lazy analysis of games recently
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 16, 2019, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 16, 2019, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Ian Burke seems to be taking an awful lot of flak for the forwards performance on social media, he didn't have his best day but he's missing having that big full forward beside him, added to that the ball into him was cat bad. The way the forward line was set up was never going to suit Burke's game. Well done to Roscommon and Anthony Cunningham by the way, they outplayed and outfought this Galway team again today.
There was plenty on decent ball sent into Ian today and he fumbled nearly everything that came his way today - easily the worst performance he has put in for a long time. The forward play in the second half was non existent. It was a horrible performance and Walsh's position is no longer tenable IMO, he has to go along with his management team.
From the moment Ian Burke backed out of going down on the ball after 30 seconds until the end he was terrible, no point in dressing it up any other way, he should have been hooked first out of any of them up front, absolutely cleaned out and offered nothing today.
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Before I get the the Galway post mortem, big congrats to the Rossies, only team to come out to play in the second half, they upped it to a real championship intensity and the Galway effort wilted under the strain. Fair play to Anthony Cunningham, fantastic record and success in both codes with a variety of teams.
As for Galway? Well I think you have to separate two things, the result and the performance. The result is not good obviously but if Galway had lost a tight game in which they had competed then you can take it on the chin easier, it might have been an unlucky goal or a superb point from the opposition that could have been the reason we lost, that's acceptable while the performance is there, no shame losing to a better team on the day if you play reasonably to the form you are capable of.
The fact that the second half performance was so wretched is the killer and while Kevin Walsh will be eviscerated after this (which isn't totally wrong either) the players have to take a large portion of the blame. They put themselves into a good position with very efficient shooting in the first half in brutal conditions yet they sleepwalked back out of the dressing room at ht and when it became a difficult championship test, when the match required leaders, they managed a meagre two points, only one in the actual 35 minute period. Of course people can point to absentees like Comer but the Rossies were down a number of players themselves and what turned it around for Roscommon in the second half has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with attitude and execution.
Whatever about the league matches which went ok for the most part, it was all about how the team would perform in the championship. The results are stark, two poor performances against London and Sligo and now a collapse with probably the worst 35 minutes of the Kevin Walsh era - and there is a some serious competition on that front.
The second half collapse today was akin to what we saw against Tyrone in the league, the inability to change mid game if required both on the line and on the pitch - it's not the first time this has been an issue.
I'm loath to say it as Galway are still in the championship and it is kicking a man while he is down but Kevin Walsh's tenure has surely - unless there is some miracle turnaround, which being perfectly honest I don't see happening - run it's course now. Taking Daly off today when he at least looked like he could get a score from long range and leaving some of the other players on was madness. The lack of earlier substitutions to change it up when Galway were clearly in big trouble was bizarre. Bringing on Varley who hasn't kicked a ball all year ahead of other options?
In fairness to Kevin Walsh has done an awful lot right for Galway, some people have forgotten that but anyone who had to sit through the Wexford and Antrim losses at the start of this decade not to mention the hammerings from Mayo will realise that we were on the floor, stuck in Division Two and it's moved on considerably from that. People clamouring for on all out attack pattern of play will get a rude awakening on that as well because some of the players back there, as have been mentioned here in other posts, are simply not good enough at the art of defending in a one on one or 50/50 situation. I think KW knows this and it's a lot of the reason for the style of play that has been adopted. That is no excuse for not being able to execute well in other areas of the pitch however and there is no invention up front, Comer covered up a lot of weaknesses in that area last year and hasn't been around to do the same this year.
That said about some of the good points from KW's reign, realistically I think it's come to a natural end now and a different voice is required. Whether that will bring any improvement from where we are remains to be seen because the players are not blameless here by any strech but I don't think it's going to turn around into a better place again under Kevin Walsh.
I'd be very afraid for the Galway team in that Round 4 qualifier match, given the performances to date they are likely to miss out on the Super 8s unless they get another team on a bad day (what would a full tilt Mayo or Tyrone do against a Galway performance like today?!), which would be a disaster and I've less optimism this evening than I've had for a long time regarding the Seniors, moreso looking at the championship performances to date than just the result today against a fully deserving Connacht champion Roscommon team.
Did not see that one, but he also did the same in the second half, ball was his if he wanted it, just did not go for it even 50%.
There have been two recurring themes to Walsh's time over Galway.
1. They always beat Mayo.
2. 2nd half collapses.
Yesterday was not even the first 2nd half collapse this year. They went up to Omagh and led Tyrone by 7 points at half-time in the league. Very similar to yesterday, Tyrone got an early goal after half-time and Galway folded like a pack of cards. There is something about the mentality instilled in the players by management that they can't recover when something goes against them in games. They retreat into a defensive shell and let the other team come at them. So yesterday they spent most of the 2nd half back around their own 45 not engaging any Roscommon players, just standing yards off them as they passed the ball back and over, back and over until a gap appeared to get a shot away.
Finally with about 5 minutes to go it dawned on them that they might actually lose the game and they pushed up and weren't far away from scoring two goals in the dying minutes. Out of sheer desperation at that stage. Of course the bizarre use of subs is another story altogether. And why was Lavelle suddenly starting again when Power had done very well up in Sligo?
The only slight mitigating factors for Walsh is that he was missing Comer who is an enormous loss as the focal point of the attack, he had too many either injured or half-fit players in the middle of the field. Including Flynn who is carrying a knock from what I've been told this morning by someone close to the squad, but had to play just because FOC was also crocked and Cooke hadn't played in almost 3 months. And even Walsh can't be wholly blamed for how badly Ian Burke played. Nobody would have expected that.
I also think Shane Walsh was never fully right after he took a bad belt from a late hit just before half-time. He had looked dangerous up to that point but in the 2nd half during any break in play he was often slumped with his hands on his knees looking down at the ground.
I don't hold out much hope for the qualifiers. I think there are too many fundamental problems with the whole set up. And they can't expect Comer to rescue them when he hasn't kicked a football since probably last October.
Quote from: joemamas on June 17, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 16, 2019, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 16, 2019, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Ian Burke seems to be taking an awful lot of flak for the forwards performance on social media, he didn't have his best day but he's missing having that big full forward beside him, added to that the ball into him was cat bad. The way the forward line was set up was never going to suit Burke's game. Well done to Roscommon and Anthony Cunningham by the way, they outplayed and outfought this Galway team again today.
There was plenty on decent ball sent into Ian today and he fumbled nearly everything that came his way today - easily the worst performance he has put in for a long time. The forward play in the second half was non existent. It was a horrible performance and Walsh's position is no longer tenable IMO, he has to go along with his management team.
From the moment Ian Burke backed out of going down on the ball after 30 seconds until the end he was terrible, no point in dressing it up any other way, he should have been hooked first out of any of them up front, absolutely cleaned out and offered nothing today.
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Before I get the the Galway post mortem, big congrats to the Rossies, only team to come out to play in the second half, they upped it to a real championship intensity and the Galway effort wilted under the strain. Fair play to Anthony Cunningham, fantastic record and success in both codes with a variety of teams.
As for Galway? Well I think you have to separate two things, the result and the performance. The result is not good obviously but if Galway had lost a tight game in which they had competed then you can take it on the chin easier, it might have been an unlucky goal or a superb point from the opposition that could have been the reason we lost, that's acceptable while the performance is there, no shame losing to a better team on the day if you play reasonably to the form you are capable of.
The fact that the second half performance was so wretched is the killer and while Kevin Walsh will be eviscerated after this (which isn't totally wrong either) the players have to take a large portion of the blame. They put themselves into a good position with very efficient shooting in the first half in brutal conditions yet they sleepwalked back out of the dressing room at ht and when it became a difficult championship test, when the match required leaders, they managed a meagre two points, only one in the actual 35 minute period. Of course people can point to absentees like Comer but the Rossies were down a number of players themselves and what turned it around for Roscommon in the second half has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with attitude and execution.
Whatever about the league matches which went ok for the most part, it was all about how the team would perform in the championship. The results are stark, two poor performances against London and Sligo and now a collapse with probably the worst 35 minutes of the Kevin Walsh era - and there is a some serious competition on that front.
The second half collapse today was akin to what we saw against Tyrone in the league, the inability to change mid game if required both on the line and on the pitch - it's not the first time this has been an issue.
I'm loath to say it as Galway are still in the championship and it is kicking a man while he is down but Kevin Walsh's tenure has surely - unless there is some miracle turnaround, which being perfectly honest I don't see happening - run it's course now. Taking Daly off today when he at least looked like he could get a score from long range and leaving some of the other players on was madness. The lack of earlier substitutions to change it up when Galway were clearly in big trouble was bizarre. Bringing on Varley who hasn't kicked a ball all year ahead of other options?
In fairness to Kevin Walsh has done an awful lot right for Galway, some people have forgotten that but anyone who had to sit through the Wexford and Antrim losses at the start of this decade not to mention the hammerings from Mayo will realise that we were on the floor, stuck in Division Two and it's moved on considerably from that. People clamouring for on all out attack pattern of play will get a rude awakening on that as well because some of the players back there, as have been mentioned here in other posts, are simply not good enough at the art of defending in a one on one or 50/50 situation. I think KW knows this and it's a lot of the reason for the style of play that has been adopted. That is no excuse for not being able to execute well in other areas of the pitch however and there is no invention up front, Comer covered up a lot of weaknesses in that area last year and hasn't been around to do the same this year.
That said about some of the good points from KW's reign, realistically I think it's come to a natural end now and a different voice is required. Whether that will bring any improvement from where we are remains to be seen because the players are not blameless here by any strech but I don't think it's going to turn around into a better place again under Kevin Walsh.
I'd be very afraid for the Galway team in that Round 4 qualifier match, given the performances to date they are likely to miss out on the Super 8s unless they get another team on a bad day (what would a full tilt Mayo or Tyrone do against a Galway performance like today?!), which would be a disaster and I've less optimism this evening than I've had for a long time regarding the Seniors, moreso looking at the championship performances to date than just the result today against a fully deserving Connacht champion Roscommon team.
Did not see that one, but he also did the same in the second half, ball was his if he wanted it, just did not go for it even 50%.
I noticed he either pulled out or didn't go at all for a few balls that were there to be won definitely.
Quote from: galwayman on June 17, 2019, 01:39:28 PM
Quote from: joemamas on June 17, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 16, 2019, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 16, 2019, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 16, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Ian Burke seems to be taking an awful lot of flak for the forwards performance on social media, he didn't have his best day but he's missing having that big full forward beside him, added to that the ball into him was cat bad. The way the forward line was set up was never going to suit Burke's game. Well done to Roscommon and Anthony Cunningham by the way, they outplayed and outfought this Galway team again today.
There was plenty on decent ball sent into Ian today and he fumbled nearly everything that came his way today - easily the worst performance he has put in for a long time. The forward play in the second half was non existent. It was a horrible performance and Walsh's position is no longer tenable IMO, he has to go along with his management team.
From the moment Ian Burke backed out of going down on the ball after 30 seconds until the end he was terrible, no point in dressing it up any other way, he should have been hooked first out of any of them up front, absolutely cleaned out and offered nothing today.
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Before I get the the Galway post mortem, big congrats to the Rossies, only team to come out to play in the second half, they upped it to a real championship intensity and the Galway effort wilted under the strain. Fair play to Anthony Cunningham, fantastic record and success in both codes with a variety of teams.
As for Galway? Well I think you have to separate two things, the result and the performance. The result is not good obviously but if Galway had lost a tight game in which they had competed then you can take it on the chin easier, it might have been an unlucky goal or a superb point from the opposition that could have been the reason we lost, that's acceptable while the performance is there, no shame losing to a better team on the day if you play reasonably to the form you are capable of.
The fact that the second half performance was so wretched is the killer and while Kevin Walsh will be eviscerated after this (which isn't totally wrong either) the players have to take a large portion of the blame. They put themselves into a good position with very efficient shooting in the first half in brutal conditions yet they sleepwalked back out of the dressing room at ht and when it became a difficult championship test, when the match required leaders, they managed a meagre two points, only one in the actual 35 minute period. Of course people can point to absentees like Comer but the Rossies were down a number of players themselves and what turned it around for Roscommon in the second half has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with attitude and execution.
Whatever about the league matches which went ok for the most part, it was all about how the team would perform in the championship. The results are stark, two poor performances against London and Sligo and now a collapse with probably the worst 35 minutes of the Kevin Walsh era - and there is a some serious competition on that front.
The second half collapse today was akin to what we saw against Tyrone in the league, the inability to change mid game if required both on the line and on the pitch - it's not the first time this has been an issue.
I'm loath to say it as Galway are still in the championship and it is kicking a man while he is down but Kevin Walsh's tenure has surely - unless there is some miracle turnaround, which being perfectly honest I don't see happening - run it's course now. Taking Daly off today when he at least looked like he could get a score from long range and leaving some of the other players on was madness. The lack of earlier substitutions to change it up when Galway were clearly in big trouble was bizarre. Bringing on Varley who hasn't kicked a ball all year ahead of other options?
In fairness to Kevin Walsh has done an awful lot right for Galway, some people have forgotten that but anyone who had to sit through the Wexford and Antrim losses at the start of this decade not to mention the hammerings from Mayo will realise that we were on the floor, stuck in Division Two and it's moved on considerably from that. People clamouring for on all out attack pattern of play will get a rude awakening on that as well because some of the players back there, as have been mentioned here in other posts, are simply not good enough at the art of defending in a one on one or 50/50 situation. I think KW knows this and it's a lot of the reason for the style of play that has been adopted. That is no excuse for not being able to execute well in other areas of the pitch however and there is no invention up front, Comer covered up a lot of weaknesses in that area last year and hasn't been around to do the same this year.
That said about some of the good points from KW's reign, realistically I think it's come to a natural end now and a different voice is required. Whether that will bring any improvement from where we are remains to be seen because the players are not blameless here by any strech but I don't think it's going to turn around into a better place again under Kevin Walsh.
I'd be very afraid for the Galway team in that Round 4 qualifier match, given the performances to date they are likely to miss out on the Super 8s unless they get another team on a bad day (what would a full tilt Mayo or Tyrone do against a Galway performance like today?!), which would be a disaster and I've less optimism this evening than I've had for a long time regarding the Seniors, moreso looking at the championship performances to date than just the result today against a fully deserving Connacht champion Roscommon team.
Did not see that one, but he also did the same in the second half, ball was his if he wanted it, just did not go for it even 50%.
I noticed he either pulled out or didn't go at all for a few balls that were there to be won definitely.
Looks like a player in need of a rest, no energy to his display and his decision making (his great attribute) is just off.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 16, 2019, 06:03:58 PM
Roscommon were cleaned out at midfield in the first half of both games, absolutely destroyed. It's hard to comprehend how a team can come back from that and function with essentially no midfield
Ros could have been torn apart by half time against another side. They were like statues at times
Great win though. Always good to win Nestor Cup
Any chance of some Mayo midfielders transferring to Ros for super 8
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 17, 2019, 01:25:09 PM
2018 final was level on 65 mins. In fact Roscommon led for most of that game
there's been a lot of lazy analysis of games recently
It was level after 69 minutes i believe. When i said Roscommon turned last years final on it head i was talking about the full time scoreline. Last year Galway 16 points to Roscommon's 12 the very opposite of what happened yesterday. For another bit of not so lazy analysis. Roscommon led at half time looked in control but only scored twice in the 2nd half in the final last year again the same happened for Galway yesterday.
Well done Roscommon. Ye have been brilliant in this year's championship. Full credit to ye and I'm sure ye will similarly go for it in the last 8. Great to see a team set up in such a way as to give themselves the best chance and being positive.
A great rivalry between Galway and Roscommon the last few years
FBD finals
2015 Roscommon beat Galway
2016 Galway beat Roscommon
2017 Galway beat Roscommon
2018 Roscommon beat Galway
2019 Roscommon beat Galway
Connacht finals
2016 a draw
2016 replay Galway beat Roscommon
2017 Roscommon beat Galway
2018 Galway beat Roscommon
2019 Roscommon beat Galway
10 finals 5 Roscommon wins, 4 Galway wins and one draw. Both are still mainly young sides so many more finals between these two counties should happen in the years ahead.
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 17, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
I'd say Roscommon would delight in being the underdogs
From memoey, the Super 8 groups if the favourites win the other finals and the runners-up win their qualifiers (they all won't but, just for interest):
Dublin
Roscommon
Cork
Cavan
Kerry
Donegal
Meath
Galway
I'd guess Ros would prefer to avoid Mayo, but otherwise wouldnt be overly bothered with the prospect of Monaghan, Tyrone, etc coming through the qualifiers.
That was a dirty hit on Shane Walsh alright, it had to have shook him
Quote from: Hound on June 17, 2019, 03:22:43 PM
From memoey, the Super 8 groups if the favourites win the other finals and the runners-up win their qualifiers (they all won't but, just for interest):
Dublin
Roscommon
Cork
Cavan
Kerry
Donegal
Meath
Galway
I'd guess Ros would prefer to avoid Mayo, but otherwise wouldnt be overly bothered with the prospect of Monaghan, Tyrone, etc coming through the qualifiers.
If it came to fruition that top group would be frightening.
None of the teams mentioned would get within 10 points of the Dubs in CP - all games would be a damp squib and would be like an extension of the Leinster Cship for the Dubs.
The second group in theory should produce a few great games
Add to the fact that the Dubs will probably have their next 3 games at home in Croker
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 17, 2019, 04:06:55 PM
Add to the fact that the Dubs will probably have their next 3 games at home in Croker
Looks like Dublin's away game will be in Ulster again:
Week 3 of the Super 8s, the Leinster champions are away to the Ulster runners-up (or whoever beats them in the qualifiers)
But the purposes of me putting those up there is Ros have a chance of progression to the semis.
Dublin v Donegal
Kerry v Roscommon
Donegal v Ros final!
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 17, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
Silly post, the Ros group will be 3 teams playing for a runner up spot, the other group will have 2 places up for grabs.
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 17, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
Hunger is only a small part in any upset win. What I saw of Roscommon's last two wins was they defended and attacked better than their opposition and look a far more organised unit that what they were last year. Going into last eight off the back of beating the NFL and what was the defending Connacht champions in MacHale Park and Pearse Stadium is a strong position to be in and their first game will be in Hyde Park I believe?
Be interesting to see how Galway react from this defeat. I remember plenty tipping Donegal to beat them in the round 4 tie two years ago and Galway walked that match.
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 17, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
I'd say the GAA will ban us from the so called Super8s due to not being good enough. ::)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 17, 2019, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 17, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
Hunger is only a small part in any upset win. What I saw of Roscommon's last two wins was they defended and attacked better than their opposition and look a far more organised unit that what they were last year. Going into last eight off the back of beating the NFL and what was the defending Connacht champions in MacHale Park and Pearse Stadium is a strong position to be in and their first game will be in Hyde Park I believe?
Be interesting to see how Galway react from this defeat. I remember plenty tipping Donegal to beat them in the round 4 tie two years ago and Galway walked that match.
That was the first match Ian Burke started in I think and we had a change of keeper for that game too. There's no easy teams coming through the qualifiers, to be honest I wouldn't be too hopeful of making the super 8s, every bit of football seems to be coached out of this team.
We have to stop absolving the Galway players of any blame here, KW is busted flush now but there were plenty of players who did not execute well yesterday or at other stages in other matches this year, it can't all be solely 100% down to the manager in this blame game regardless of the tactical setup not working.
I saw multiple players take the ball into the tackle yesterday and get easily overturned, some of them shirked out of challenges and some made poor attempts at tackles/tracking back, whatever about the makeup of the sideline team they are surely not being coached to do that.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 17, 2019, 06:45:34 PM
We have to stop absolving the Galway players of any blame here, KW is busted flush now but there were plenty of players who did not execute well yesterday or at other stages in other matches this year, it can't all be solely 100% down to the manager in this blame game regardless of the tactical setup not working.
I saw multiple players take the ball into the tackle yesterday and get easily overturned, some of them shirked out of challenges and some made poor attempts at tackles/tracking back, whatever about the makeup of the sideline team they are surely not being coached to do that.
Would agree with all of that. I get the impression that some players are undroppable to the management regardless of performance in the league, challenge matches and championship and I don't think that is fostering a healthy vibe with some of the wider panel. Is that contributing to the malaise we seen in the second half yesterday when the pressure came on and in other games during the year? Who knows?!! Anyway, Walsh will probably see out the remainder of championship campaign but that should be the end of his tenure.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 17, 2019, 03:41:58 PM
That was a dirty hit on Shane Walsh alright, it had to have shook him
If that's dirty, imagine what the Meath of old would have done to him.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
He isn't nice guy80. Nice guy 80 was talking about Offaly hurling in a thread, iirc.
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
Are you going around trying to find similarities to posts on different forums?
You need to get out more
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 17, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
I disagree. It depends on who they get, but whoever they do get, the Hyde will be rocking for the first game.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2019, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
Are you going around trying to find similarities to posts on different forums?
You need to get out more
Wouldn't have to look hard..nice guys posts the same posts here as boards . 😜😜😜
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 17, 2019, 11:09:28 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
He isn't nice guy80. Nice guy 80 was talking about Offaly hurling in a thread, iirc.
Sorry your correct. Nice guys is from either roscommon/Westmeath. School teacher and post on here.
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Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
Are you going around trying to find similarities to posts on different forums?
You need to get out more
No. But it's highly unlikely that someone from Mid-north Roscommon would have a decent knowledge of Offaly hurling. I only read the page about Offaly. Don't have that much time on my hands.
Funnily enough, some say I get out too much.
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 18, 2019, 08:39:09 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2019, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
Are you going around trying to find similarities to posts on different forums?
You need to get out more
No. But it's highly unlikely that someone from Mid-north Roscommon would have a decent knowledge of Offaly hurling. I only read the page about Offaly. Don't have that much time on my hands.
Funnily enough, some say I get out too much.
Syferus still annoying the arse off us on stolen sheep..still the same syferus..
Quote from: kopite on June 18, 2019, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 18, 2019, 08:39:09 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2019, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
Are you going around trying to find similarities to posts on different forums?
You need to get out more
No. But it's highly unlikely that someone from Mid-north Roscommon would have a decent knowledge of Offaly hurling. I only read the page about Offaly. Don't have that much time on my hands.
Funnily enough, some say I get out too much.
Syferus still annoying the arse off us on stolen sheep..still the same syferus..
Ah he's not that bad. A bit of a WUM. I'm not free from blame with regards annoying ye either. I've an interest in Roscommon football and occasionally pop up on it, although I'd say it's too often for yer liking.
Rossfan, maybe you can rename the thread topic 'Whereabouts of Syferus'.
He must have been banned from here?
Thank God!!
He managed to credit McStay for Sunday's victory ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on June 18, 2019, 11:07:11 AM
He must have been banned from here?
Thank God!!
He managed to credit McStay for Sunday's victory ;D
Thank God is right. What an imbecile.
Quote from: LooseCannon on June 18, 2019, 08:39:09 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2019, 07:12:10 AM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 17, 2019, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Where is Syferus?
He putting on boards.ie now. He posts under Syferus and nice guys 80s on that forum
Are you going around trying to find similarities to posts on different forums?
You need to get out more
No. But it's highly unlikely that someone from Mid-north Roscommon would have a decent knowledge of Offaly hurling. I only read the page about Offaly. Don't have that much time on my hands.
Funnily enough, some say I get out too much.
A lack of knowledge on any particular subject never stopped Syferus form pontificating before.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-sliding-doors-moment-has-worked-out-very-well-for-roscommon-1.3928559
Kevin McStay: sliding doors moment has worked out very well for Roscommon
Scenes from Salthill on Sunday showed the best side of the provincial championships
Kevin McStay
I left RTÉ after the Sunday Game and made it back to Roscommon town shortly before one in the morning. The doors were open to all houses and the streets were busy and merriment was general.
It's funny. In a year in which many people, including myself, have been advocating for a new order which would probably see the end of the provincial championships, it's as if the old rivalries have been mocking us.
This year's Connacht championship has been one big surprise and Roscommon have been at the heart of it. So they enjoyed Sunday night as much as any Connacht winning year.
The build-up to the game had been odd for me. I met Derek McGrath, the former Waterford hurling manager, a few weeks ago. We agreed that being "the ex-manager" is a surreal existence. Because people see you and automatically still link you with the team and ask you about things as if you are still there: in the dressing room, at training, on the phone to the players. What they don't realise is that that phone is dead: the cord is cut. You don't even have the number. You know a bit more than the guy on the street – but not much more!
So I was driving up to RTÉ on Sunday morning wondering about the Roscommon substitutes – who would they bring in; in what scenario would such and such work? Two years ago, that was my decision. Now, I was just guessing like anyone else. You go from a situation where you know everything about these lads – their exams, their partners, their car problems, their tractor problems, their work aspirations. And then one day it is the sound of silence. It is over.
Roscommon's Cathal Cregg celebrates after beating Galway to win the Connacht senio football championship. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho Roscommon's Cathal Cregg celebrates after beating Galway to win the Connacht senio football championship. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
The point is: the week reminded me that I am outside of that bubble. And we do not know what is going on inside that group. There's a (bleak) saying: the train you don't see coming is the train that's going to kill you. And what we don't know is how hungry and hurt and desperate Roscommon were for this victory. We can only guess at their internal motivations and belief.
So on Sunday, I was headed east and all the cars with flags were setting out – early – for Galway. There was great excitement around the county. It felt different to 2017, which was a win that came as a massive surprise. That final was supposed to be the implosion of us as a group. On Sunday, Roscommon people felt that if a few things worked out, then a good result was a strong possibility.
And part of me would have loved to have been on the bus as the man leading that charge. But then you remember the eight months of unglamorous slog on the field, the constant stress of thinking and thinking about the team – I would fall asleep convinced I had to drop X and then wake up absolutely certain that X was the man to drive midfield.
It is always, always on your mind. It runs your life. And it is worth it: if you win. That is the killer bit about a final. For Anthony Cunningham, all of the mental and physical hours he has put in are worth it this week. And for Kevin Walsh, the question is: what now?
"The expectation to win is ingrained in Galway and Mayo minds. It just is
How good are Roscommon? They were decent in the opening quarter and then lost their energy and enthusiasm in that second period. They had a brilliant third quarter and maybe just hung on to see the game out. So it was a good performance but also one on which they need to build. I thought Hubert Darcy and Colin Compton did extremely well when introduced: they were significant substitutions.
It was a puzzling day from a Galway perspective. I felt that as a management, they needed to figure out the Roscommon full-forward line. And they didn't. They didn't contain Diarmuid Murtagh (1-3), Conor Cox (0-4) or the general influence of Enda Smith.
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I think what is lost sometimes is this: there is a hierarchy in Connacht. Roscommon are the pesky neighbours to Galway and Mayo. What that means is that the expectation to win is ingrained in Galway and Mayo minds. It just is.
I had Galway up there in my list as contenders prior to this year's championship. And I know how the squad must have felt on Monday morning. I would have a lot of empathy for them – my people are from Galway.
Cathal Cregg celebrates a late point. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho Cathal Cregg celebrates a late point. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
I think it's clear that the Galway public has never loved this set up and that media people have gone after Kevin for the way they play. And I'll say this: Kevin is a very decent human being. He was a marvellous footballer. And stand back at look at his record. Galway had no Connacht titles since 2008 when Kevin took over in 2015. That is a massive gap for the brand leader in the province. Kevin came in and he broke the Mayo monopoly. He has won two Connacht titles, reached All-Ireland quarter-finals; an All-Ireland semi-final; a national league final.
But the general negativity goes back to this defensive formation that Galway have favoured. Why do you suppose he does that? Well, he knows that in order to thrive, a team must have defensive solidity and organisation. That became their calling card.
The criticism directed at Kevin and Galway is predicated on the belief that this system is stifling Galway's creativity and attack and that any team that wants to win an All-Ireland has to show more ambition and thrust and get more players further up the field. Does nobody ever stop to think that Kevin Walsh knows this better than anyone? We don't see what he sees at training. We don't know what happens if Galway defenders are left exposed in one-on-one situations, isolated against their direct opponent.
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We don't know this because Kevin hasn't allowed it to happen in competitive games. There may be a good reason for that. He can't ever come out and say it. He can't say: hey, I can't leave these guys on their own or we'll get cleaned out. But maybe that is the reality.
Within the context of this final, the answer as to why Galway collapsed in the second half is not immediately obvious. Leadership and intensity is too simplistic. But Damien Comer, Paul Conroy and Ciaran Duggan are big physical presences and they were missing through injury. Fintan Ó Curraoin had to leave the field with an injury. It can be hard to win big games when significant players are out. But the nature of the collapse has to be worrying for the management group.
"You have to give massive kudos to Roscommon. They blew the game open in six minutes after half time
There wasn't a man in Roscommon who felt confident of victory at half-time. But, astutely, Colm Cooper noted on the Sunday Game, you just can't back Galway to tidy a game like that up: to finish it off. The easiest answer, of course, is that Galway are just not quite good enough.
It is going to be a tough week in Galway football land. The group needs to stick tight this week and next. Because they can win a round four qualifier and get back on the horse. But I believe yesterday ended their chances of a long summer. The confidence is being drained from the group and what little support there is among the public will likely evaporate.
Conor Cox and Tadgh O'Rourke goe past Thomas Flynn. Photo: Tommy Grealy/Inpho Conor Cox and Tadgh O'Rourke goe past Thomas Flynn. Photo: Tommy Grealy/Inpho
I thought Kevin looked tired and a bit haunted. And I recognised that look. You can see Brian Silke's frustration and this recognition of: "God, this is gone from us again".
The cold stats are alarming. Four of the Galway forward line taken off. Two points in 44 minutes; outscored 1-8 to 0-2 in the second half. The first point of the second half only arriving 21 minutes into that half. The second, a 45, when the game was into injury-time. Kevin will be disappointed, frustrated and livid.
Against that, you have to give massive kudos to Roscommon. They blew the game open in six minutes after half-time. Galway were 10 for 11 from shots taken in the first half. In the second, they had nine shots and scored two. Roscommon were 50 per cent in the first half. But in the second half, they were nine scores for 11 shots. The halves were mirror images statistically.
In slightly different circumstances, Roscommon could now be a three-in-a-row team this week. The confidence this win brings – a three-week rest and a first Super Eights game at home against a round four qualifier – is inestimable.
What was lost in the commentary is that Roscommon had nine new starters from last year's final. Niall McInerney, Cathal Compton and Ciaran Murtagh were not available to Anthony and they would be automatic picks if playing to full potential. Roscommon now have a defensive mindset and a desire and a feeling, surely, that they must belong in elite company.
"The two teams I would hate Roscommon to meet between now and the end of the year are Mayo and Galway
The challenge now is to perform and compete at that highest level. People forget that Roscommon had agreed on a new manager prior to this season. Then he withdrew his name. And then Dublin hurling went in a different direction and Anthony became available. It was a sliding doors moment and it has worked out very well for Roscommon. Sport can be funny.
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So where can Roscommon go with this? Five Connacht finals in four years mean they are not newbies. They have two titles out of four attempts, which is above the Rossies' mean average. The challenge now is to perform but it may not be this year that we see the best of this group.
The two teams I would hate Roscommon to meet between now and the end of the year are Mayo and Galway. Mayo, in particular, are just more grizzled and experienced.
Roscommon's massive ambition for 2019 would be an All-Ireland semi-final. So when can they burst through this glass ceiling and dream the impossible with conviction? Well, when they perform and compete seriously at the Super Eights level.
They are in a different space now and the championship is opening up for them.
"Roscommon now have a defensive mindset"
And 3 Dalys Kevin ;)
Great day. As I said earlier, I love Salthill. A place where you can really make a day out of it. Bite first to eat in The Galleon, always great food, breathe in a bit of sea air and you are set for the day. I was surprised to see no wind blowing when I got there for the junior game but it was pissing from the heavens. I still have not figured out what happened at the end of that game. Mayo seemed to get a wide that was waved a point. Scoreboard was level. The PA said we'll now have extra time only to have to correct himself later and say Galway had won. Was looking forward to extra time as like last year the gap between the curtain raiser and senior was nearly two hours. Then they rolled out the Leitrim team of 1994 when the ground was not even half full. Only Johno remembered to bring a umbrella.
As for the senior game, when Murtagh made it 0-5 each and got a clatter for his efforts, I thought we were getting on top then only for Galway to take complete control and in truth looked a level above us. I saw no way back in second half but lo and behold, the rain stopped, and both Ros and Galway came out transformed teams in equal and opposite directions. Love the newfound physicality and work ethic of this Roscommon team and all the great work that went into underage is paying off. Just like that we have 3 Connacht titles this decade, our best haul since 70s when we won 4. This team not at that level yet but the good thing is I feel they still have room to improve and grow.
My commiserations to Galway. I know the fellas around me were in shock in the end but gracious in defeat. One thing I will say is why was there only 17,000 there and at least 12,000 were from Ros. I have not watched it back yet but thought Cassidy did a fair job. It was a fairly bruising encounter and we had Cregg, Smith and Devanney go off injured, three of our most senior players while Galway had a big loss in FOC. I still back Galway to win their qualifier and good luck lads. For us we'll see what the draw brings but realistically with Dublin in our group we are playing for one spot. Galway and Mayo may yet find themselves in a handier group on the other side.
Quote from: weareros on June 18, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
Great day. As I said earlier, I love Salthill. A place where you can really make a day out of it. Bite first to eat in The Galleon, always great food, breathe in a bit of sea air and you are set for the day. I was surprised to see no wind blowing when I got there for the junior game but it was pissing from the heavens. I still have not figured out what happened at the end of that game. Mayo seemed to get a wide that was waved a point. Scoreboard was level. The PA said we'll now have extra time only to have to correct himself later and say Galway had won. Was looking forward to extra time as like last year the gap between the curtain raiser and senior was nearly two hours. Then they rolled out the Leitrim team of 1994 when the ground was not even half full. Only Johno remembered to bring a umbrella.
As for the senior game, when Murtagh made it 0-5 each and got a clatter for his efforts, I thought we were getting on top then only for Galway to take complete control and in truth looked a level above us. I saw no way back in second half but lo and behold, the rain stopped, and both Ros and Galway came out transformed teams in equal and opposite directions. Love the newfound physicality and work ethic of this Roscommon team and all the great work that went into underage is paying off. Just like that we have 3 Connacht titles this decade, our best haul since 70s when we won 4. This team not at that level yet but the good thing is I feel they still have room to improve and grow.
My commiserations to Galway. I know the fellas around me were in shock in the end but gracious in defeat. One thing I will say is why was there only 17,000 there and at least 12,000 were from Ros. I have not watched it back yet but thought Cassidy did a fair job. It was a fairly bruising encounter and we had Cregg, Smith and Devanney go off injured, three of our most senior players while Galway had a big loss in FOC. I still back Galway to win their qualifier and good luck lads. For us we'll see what the draw brings but realistically with Dublin in our group we are playing for one spot. Galway and Mayo may yet find themselves in a handier group on the other side.
From my recollection Mayo had a direct free kick when two points down that dropped just short, it was flicked/helped over the bar but disallowed by the ref for a either a square ball or some other infraction on the Galway goalkeeper or defender. It was clearly signalled as a free out at the time despite the ball going over the bar.
The scoreboard operator did not notice this and credited the point to Mayo which (on the scoreboard) left a point in it although in reality it was still a two point game, myself and the other Galway crowd around me noticed this immediately but it was not rectified.
Mayo subsequently scored another point to leave it a one point match but the scoreboard showed it as a draw match 1-7 to 0-10 when in actuality the score was 1-7 to 0-09 at full time. After that it took the announcer a minute to be informed of the mistake after he initially stated that there would be ET.
Buck's sake, sounds like Mayo were robbed. Again.
Can't catch a break.
At least the lads weren't there to see it!
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2019, 11:24:57 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-sliding-doors-moment-has-worked-out-very-well-for-roscommon-1.3928559
Kevin McStay: sliding doors moment has worked out very well for Roscommon
Scenes from Salthill on Sunday showed the best side of the provincial championships
Kevin McStay
I left RTÉ after the Sunday Game and made it back to Roscommon town shortly before one in the morning. The doors were open to all houses and the streets were busy and merriment was general.
It's funny. In a year in which many people, including myself, have been advocating for a new order which would probably see the end of the provincial championships, it's as if the old rivalries have been mocking us.
This year's Connacht championship has been one big surprise and Roscommon have been at the heart of it. So they enjoyed Sunday night as much as any Connacht winning year.
The build-up to the game had been odd for me. I met Derek McGrath, the former Waterford hurling manager, a few weeks ago. We agreed that being "the ex-manager" is a surreal existence. Because people see you and automatically still link you with the team and ask you about things as if you are still there: in the dressing room, at training, on the phone to the players. What they don't realise is that that phone is dead: the cord is cut. You don't even have the number. You know a bit more than the guy on the street – but not much more!
So I was driving up to RTÉ on Sunday morning wondering about the Roscommon substitutes – who would they bring in; in what scenario would such and such work? Two years ago, that was my decision. Now, I was just guessing like anyone else. You go from a situation where you know everything about these lads – their exams, their partners, their car problems, their tractor problems, their work aspirations. And then one day it is the sound of silence. It is over.
Roscommon's Cathal Cregg celebrates after beating Galway to win the Connacht senio football championship. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho Roscommon's Cathal Cregg celebrates after beating Galway to win the Connacht senio football championship. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
The point is: the week reminded me that I am outside of that bubble. And we do not know what is going on inside that group. There's a (bleak) saying: the train you don't see coming is the train that's going to kill you. And what we don't know is how hungry and hurt and desperate Roscommon were for this victory. We can only guess at their internal motivations and belief.
So on Sunday, I was headed east and all the cars with flags were setting out – early – for Galway. There was great excitement around the county. It felt different to 2017, which was a win that came as a massive surprise. That final was supposed to be the implosion of us as a group. On Sunday, Roscommon people felt that if a few things worked out, then a good result was a strong possibility.
And part of me would have loved to have been on the bus as the man leading that charge. But then you remember the eight months of unglamorous slog on the field, the constant stress of thinking and thinking about the team – I would fall asleep convinced I had to drop X and then wake up absolutely certain that X was the man to drive midfield.
It is always, always on your mind. It runs your life. And it is worth it: if you win. That is the killer bit about a final. For Anthony Cunningham, all of the mental and physical hours he has put in are worth it this week. And for Kevin Walsh, the question is: what now?
"The expectation to win is ingrained in Galway and Mayo minds. It just is
How good are Roscommon? They were decent in the opening quarter and then lost their energy and enthusiasm in that second period. They had a brilliant third quarter and maybe just hung on to see the game out. So it was a good performance but also one on which they need to build. I thought Hubert Darcy and Colin Compton did extremely well when introduced: they were significant substitutions.
It was a puzzling day from a Galway perspective. I felt that as a management, they needed to figure out the Roscommon full-forward line. And they didn't. They didn't contain Diarmuid Murtagh (1-3), Conor Cox (0-4) or the general influence of Enda Smith.
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I think what is lost sometimes is this: there is a hierarchy in Connacht. Roscommon are the pesky neighbours to Galway and Mayo. What that means is that the expectation to win is ingrained in Galway and Mayo minds. It just is.
I had Galway up there in my list as contenders prior to this year's championship. And I know how the squad must have felt on Monday morning. I would have a lot of empathy for them – my people are from Galway.
Cathal Cregg celebrates a late point. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho Cathal Cregg celebrates a late point. Photo: Tommy Dickson/Inpho
I think it's clear that the Galway public has never loved this set up and that media people have gone after Kevin for the way they play. And I'll say this: Kevin is a very decent human being. He was a marvellous footballer. And stand back at look at his record. Galway had no Connacht titles since 2008 when Kevin took over in 2015. That is a massive gap for the brand leader in the province. Kevin came in and he broke the Mayo monopoly. He has won two Connacht titles, reached All-Ireland quarter-finals; an All-Ireland semi-final; a national league final.
But the general negativity goes back to this defensive formation that Galway have favoured. Why do you suppose he does that? Well, he knows that in order to thrive, a team must have defensive solidity and organisation. That became their calling card.
The criticism directed at Kevin and Galway is predicated on the belief that this system is stifling Galway's creativity and attack and that any team that wants to win an All-Ireland has to show more ambition and thrust and get more players further up the field. Does nobody ever stop to think that Kevin Walsh knows this better than anyone? We don't see what he sees at training. We don't know what happens if Galway defenders are left exposed in one-on-one situations, isolated against their direct opponent.
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We don't know this because Kevin hasn't allowed it to happen in competitive games. There may be a good reason for that. He can't ever come out and say it. He can't say: hey, I can't leave these guys on their own or we'll get cleaned out. But maybe that is the reality.
Within the context of this final, the answer as to why Galway collapsed in the second half is not immediately obvious. Leadership and intensity is too simplistic. But Damien Comer, Paul Conroy and Ciaran Duggan are big physical presences and they were missing through injury. Fintan Ó Curraoin had to leave the field with an injury. It can be hard to win big games when significant players are out. But the nature of the collapse has to be worrying for the management group.
"You have to give massive kudos to Roscommon. They blew the game open in six minutes after half time
There wasn't a man in Roscommon who felt confident of victory at half-time. But, astutely, Colm Cooper noted on the Sunday Game, you just can't back Galway to tidy a game like that up: to finish it off. The easiest answer, of course, is that Galway are just not quite good enough.
It is going to be a tough week in Galway football land. The group needs to stick tight this week and next. Because they can win a round four qualifier and get back on the horse. But I believe yesterday ended their chances of a long summer. The confidence is being drained from the group and what little support there is among the public will likely evaporate.
Conor Cox and Tadgh O'Rourke goe past Thomas Flynn. Photo: Tommy Grealy/Inpho Conor Cox and Tadgh O'Rourke goe past Thomas Flynn. Photo: Tommy Grealy/Inpho
I thought Kevin looked tired and a bit haunted. And I recognised that look. You can see Brian Silke's frustration and this recognition of: "God, this is gone from us again".
The cold stats are alarming. Four of the Galway forward line taken off. Two points in 44 minutes; outscored 1-8 to 0-2 in the second half. The first point of the second half only arriving 21 minutes into that half. The second, a 45, when the game was into injury-time. Kevin will be disappointed, frustrated and livid.
Against that, you have to give massive kudos to Roscommon. They blew the game open in six minutes after half-time. Galway were 10 for 11 from shots taken in the first half. In the second, they had nine shots and scored two. Roscommon were 50 per cent in the first half. But in the second half, they were nine scores for 11 shots. The halves were mirror images statistically.
In slightly different circumstances, Roscommon could now be a three-in-a-row team this week. The confidence this win brings – a three-week rest and a first Super Eights game at home against a round four qualifier – is inestimable.
What was lost in the commentary is that Roscommon had nine new starters from last year's final. Niall McInerney, Cathal Compton and Ciaran Murtagh were not available to Anthony and they would be automatic picks if playing to full potential. Roscommon now have a defensive mindset and a desire and a feeling, surely, that they must belong in elite company.
"The two teams I would hate Roscommon to meet between now and the end of the year are Mayo and Galway
The challenge now is to perform and compete at that highest level. People forget that Roscommon had agreed on a new manager prior to this season. Then he withdrew his name. And then Dublin hurling went in a different direction and Anthony became available. It was a sliding doors moment and it has worked out very well for Roscommon. Sport can be funny.
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So where can Roscommon go with this? Five Connacht finals in four years mean they are not newbies. They have two titles out of four attempts, which is above the Rossies' mean average. The challenge now is to perform but it may not be this year that we see the best of this group.
The two teams I would hate Roscommon to meet between now and the end of the year are Mayo and Galway. Mayo, in particular, are just more grizzled and experienced.
Roscommon's massive ambition for 2019 would be an All-Ireland semi-final. So when can they burst through this glass ceiling and dream the impossible with conviction? Well, when they perform and compete seriously at the Super Eights level.
They are in a different space now and the championship is opening up for them.
Excellent article, it gives a great insight into what goes through a managers head.
I have always respected him for leaving his cozy seat in the studio and getting back into the heat of the battle.
Would still love to see him back with mayo, but that may be wishful thinking.
Wishful thinking on your part - he's a likeable fella, but he hasn't shown to be a top level manager. His attention to S&C in particular is way off what's needed.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 18, 2019, 02:11:35 PM
Wishful thinking on your part - he's a likeable fella, but he hasn't shown to be a top level manager. His attention to S&C in particular is way off what's needed.
And picking forwards in defence and thinking attack was the best form of defence was a major flaw in his management.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 18, 2019, 02:11:35 PM
Wishful thinking on your part - he's a likeable fella, but he hasn't shown to be a top level manager. His attention to S&C in particular is way off what's needed.
TBH, He is not without flaws, but he did win a connaught final with what you could argue was a lesser quality team on paper. Also an all-Ireland club, admittedly with a team that were knocking on the door. As for S&C not a valid enough reason to shoot someone down, hopefully a good coach would tick that box.
At least by all accounts he did accept input into selection and game management, something I feel we are not currently experiencing in Mayo at the moment. Hope i am wrong on the latter.
Quote from: joemamas on June 18, 2019, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 18, 2019, 02:11:35 PM
Wishful thinking on your part - he's a likeable fella, but he hasn't shown to be a top level manager. His attention to S&C in particular is way off what's needed.
TBH, He is not without flaws, but he did win a connaught final with what you could argue was a lesser quality team on paper. Also an all-Ireland club, admittedly with a team that were knocking on the door. As for S&C not a valid enough reason to shoot someone down, hopefully a good coach would tick that box.
You wouldn't be just getting a good coach, but the "best coach in Ireland."
Watched the game again, I'm hoping the rumours about Tom Flynn carrying an injury are true because his performance was pathetic. Over the last 12 months he's been one of Galways most consistent performers but he'll be very embarrassed when they do the video analysis session. He was directly responsible for 3 points when his man took him on and then on two other occassions he made poor attempts at stopping Smith & Killoran as they entered the D; His attempt at tracking back for their goal wasn't great either and then he barely got to a kickout all game, you'd have to assume he was injured. Roscommon hit 1-9 from play, from a Galway point of view 1-6 of that were appalling scores to give away, Roscommon didn't have to do anything special to score them. As for Sean Andy its all been stated on here, he was probably unlucky with 2 of the frees he gave away, they were very harsh and in fairness Cox hit 2 brilliant scores with his left foot for 2 other scores but his defending for the goal was a joke, simply not good enough. There was no goal on unless Roscommon produced something special but luckily they could rely on Sean Andy's day dreaming.
Kerin has took a lot of stick this year and a lot of that has been warranted but he had a great game on Sunday, one of Roscommons scores was a result of him and that was only because he had to bring Kilroy down as O'Donnell had completely fallen asleep as Kilroy had run of him, a simple case of wanting it more which was a familar scene during the 2nd half.
Cooke was crap but another one who didn't look fit, gives the ball away needlessly all too often with daft balls. Heaney & O'Donnell barely got on the ball during the game, both should have been hooked after 45 minutes. The lack of cohesion and intensity during that second half was all too obvious, so many times players were isolated as they crossed the Roscommon 45 and all too often Roscommon entered the Galway 45 without a glove been put on them. I've defended Lavelle but he was very poor. John Daly continues to improve played well, would say he won more breaks than anyone else and actually knows how to dispossess an opponent.
No need to go into Kevin Walsh's mistakes on the day, their very obvious. This collapse a bit different to some of the others given Galway had a 5 point lead, either way its been a familiar pattern under his reign.
Interesting analysis. KW obviously hasn't learned the lesson about picking injured players against Roscommon in Connacht Finals.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2019, 11:42:21 PM
Watched the game again, I'm hoping the rumours about Tom Flynn carrying an injury are true because his performance was pathetic. Over the last 12 months he's been one of Galways most consistent performers but he'll be very embarrassed when they do the video analysis session. He was directly responsible for 3 points when his man took him on and then on two other occassions he made poor attempts at stopping Smith & Killoran as they entered the D; His attempt at tracking back for their goal wasn't great either and then he barely got to a kickout all game, you'd have to assume he was injured. Roscommon hit 1-9 from play, from a Galway point of view 1-6 of that were appalling scores to give away, Roscommon didn't have to do anything special to score them. As for Sean Andy its all been stated on here, he was probably unlucky with 2 of the frees he gave away, they were very harsh and in fairness Cox hit 2 brilliant scores with his left foot for 2 other scores but his defending for the goal was a joke, simply not good enough. There was no goal on unless Roscommon produced something special but luckily they could rely on Sean Andy's day dreaming.
Kerin has took a lot of stick this year and a lot of that has been warranted but he had a great game on Sunday, one of Roscommons scores was a result of him and that was only because he had to bring Kilroy down as O'Donnell had completely fallen asleep as Kilroy had run of him, a simple case of wanting it more which was a familar scene during the 2nd half.
Cooke was crap but another one who didn't look fit, gives the ball away needlessly all too often with daft balls. Heaney & O'Donnell barely got on the ball during the game, both should have been hooked after 45 minutes. The lack of cohesion and intensity during that second half was all too obvious, so many times players were isolated as they crossed the Roscommon 45 and all too often Roscommon entered the Galway 45 without a glove been put on them. I've defended Lavelle but he was very poor. John Daly continues to improve played well, would say he won more breaks than anyone else and actually knows how to dispossess an opponent.
The trouble with Galway is that many of players are a bit of a job lot; good one week, bad the next. Hurlers were like that going back 10 years or more. One of the reasons a player earns the definition 'good' is because he does his stuff consistently, even when playing not at the top of his form, he can do something worthwhile or relevant. Galway just don't have many 'good' players at present.
Quote from: mouview on June 19, 2019, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2019, 11:42:21 PM
Watched the game again, I'm hoping the rumours about Tom Flynn carrying an injury are true because his performance was pathetic. Over the last 12 months he's been one of Galways most consistent performers but he'll be very embarrassed when they do the video analysis session. He was directly responsible for 3 points when his man took him on and then on two other occassions he made poor attempts at stopping Smith & Killoran as they entered the D; His attempt at tracking back for their goal wasn't great either and then he barely got to a kickout all game, you'd have to assume he was injured. Roscommon hit 1-9 from play, from a Galway point of view 1-6 of that were appalling scores to give away, Roscommon didn't have to do anything special to score them. As for Sean Andy its all been stated on here, he was probably unlucky with 2 of the frees he gave away, they were very harsh and in fairness Cox hit 2 brilliant scores with his left foot for 2 other scores but his defending for the goal was a joke, simply not good enough. There was no goal on unless Roscommon produced something special but luckily they could rely on Sean Andy's day dreaming.
Kerin has took a lot of stick this year and a lot of that has been warranted but he had a great game on Sunday, one of Roscommons scores was a result of him and that was only because he had to bring Kilroy down as O'Donnell had completely fallen asleep as Kilroy had run of him, a simple case of wanting it more which was a familar scene during the 2nd half.
Cooke was crap but another one who didn't look fit, gives the ball away needlessly all too often with daft balls. Heaney & O'Donnell barely got on the ball during the game, both should have been hooked after 45 minutes. The lack of cohesion and intensity during that second half was all too obvious, so many times players were isolated as they crossed the Roscommon 45 and all too often Roscommon entered the Galway 45 without a glove been put on them. I've defended Lavelle but he was very poor. John Daly continues to improve played well, would say he won more breaks than anyone else and actually knows how to dispossess an opponent.
The trouble with Galway is that many of players are a bit of a job lot; good one week, bad the next. Hurlers were like that going back 10 years or more. One of the reasons a player earns the definition 'good' is because he does his stuff consistently, even when playing not at the top of his form, he can do something worthwhile or relevant. Galway just don't have many 'good' players at present.
Results show Galway are too inconsistent but not sure I'd put that down to the players not been good enough. Players have to take plenty of responsibility but ultimately the blame lies with the manager, Galway always struggle when they go 3 or 4 points behind. Whether it be Tipp in 16, Kerry in 17, Monaghan & Dublin last year they just don't have the answers or mindest to get back in the game. We've not seen any improvement in this department in since the Tipp game so that has to be put down to Kevin Walsh. There's also the case when we're in total control of the game like we were against Kerry & Kildare midway through the 2nd half last year that we don't kick on and put the game to bed during that period. There's a lack of killer instinct about this team just yet. Look at the first half with Galway kicking 10 points from 11 attempts, there were some really great scores in there from Walsh, O'Laoi, Bradshaw & FOC. Thats a brilliant return that you very rarely see matches. Then you get the shitshow in the second half were Galway looked devoid of any ideas, Roscommon certainly upped their intensity levels when they got the goal but Galway went in the opposite direction and lacked any sort of idea to break Roscommon down. In the first half the players always a support runner but that stopped in the 2nd half and players became isolated when they got into their 45. The players look afraid to take responsbility when in possession, how many times did we see one of the Galway players try and take on an opponent which would then create some space, I can barely remember that in the 2nd half apart from Walsh, Brannigan & Sean Kelly, Kevin Walsh claimed a lack of possession was their biggest problem which was true but you've got to factor in the lack of effort in which Galway attempted to press Roscommon in that 2nd half, that was the biggest noticeable different between the sides. As soon as Galway went into the Roscommon half they were ravenous and all over Galway like a rash whilst Galway let Roscommon waltz all the way into the Galway 45 and even then made no attempt to win the ball back, just happy to keep shadowing the Rossies. Surely after 45 minutes the instructions should have come in to press them higher up the pitch to try and change the direction of the game. This is how Galway got plenty of joy in that last 10 minutes of the 1st half.
I've probably over analysed the game to death here but ultimately there was a total systems in that 2nd half in every aspect of play and the manager has too take most of the blame.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 19, 2019, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2019, 11:42:21 PM
Watched the game again, I'm hoping the rumours about Tom Flynn carrying an injury are true because his performance was pathetic. Over the last 12 months he's been one of Galways most consistent performers but he'll be very embarrassed when they do the video analysis session. He was directly responsible for 3 points when his man took him on and then on two other occassions he made poor attempts at stopping Smith & Killoran as they entered the D; His attempt at tracking back for their goal wasn't great either and then he barely got to a kickout all game, you'd have to assume he was injured. Roscommon hit 1-9 from play, from a Galway point of view 1-6 of that were appalling scores to give away, Roscommon didn't have to do anything special to score them. As for Sean Andy its all been stated on here, he was probably unlucky with 2 of the frees he gave away, they were very harsh and in fairness Cox hit 2 brilliant scores with his left foot for 2 other scores but his defending for the goal was a joke, simply not good enough. There was no goal on unless Roscommon produced something special but luckily they could rely on Sean Andy's day dreaming.
Kerin has took a lot of stick this year and a lot of that has been warranted but he had a great game on Sunday, one of Roscommons scores was a result of him and that was only because he had to bring Kilroy down as O'Donnell had completely fallen asleep as Kilroy had run of him, a simple case of wanting it more which was a familar scene during the 2nd half.
Cooke was crap but another one who didn't look fit, gives the ball away needlessly all too often with daft balls. Heaney & O'Donnell barely got on the ball during the game, both should have been hooked after 45 minutes. The lack of cohesion and intensity during that second half was all too obvious, so many times players were isolated as they crossed the Roscommon 45 and all too often Roscommon entered the Galway 45 without a glove been put on them. I've defended Lavelle but he was very poor. John Daly continues to improve played well, would say he won more breaks than anyone else and actually knows how to dispossess an opponent.
The trouble with Galway is that many of players are a bit of a job lot; good one week, bad the next. Hurlers were like that going back 10 years or more. One of the reasons a player earns the definition 'good' is because he does his stuff consistently, even when playing not at the top of his form, he can do something worthwhile or relevant. Galway just don't have many 'good' players at present.
Results show Galway are too inconsistent but not sure I'd put that down to the players not been good enough. Players have to take plenty of responsibility but ultimately the blame lies with the manager, Galway always struggle when they go 3 or 4 points behind. Whether it be Tipp in 16, Kerry in 17, Monaghan & Dublin last year they just don't have the answers or mindest to get back in the game. We've not seen any improvement in this department in since the Tipp game so that has to be put down to Kevin Walsh. There's also the case when we're in total control of the game like we were against Kerry & Kildare midway through the 2nd half last year that we don't kick on and put the game to bed during that period. There's a lack of killer instinct about this team just yet. Look at the first half with Galway kicking 10 points from 11 attempts, there were some really great scores in there from Walsh, O'Laoi, Bradshaw & FOC. Thats a brilliant return that you very rarely see matches. Then you get the shitshow in the second half were Galway looked devoid of any ideas, Roscommon certainly upped their intensity levels when they got the goal but Galway went in the opposite direction and lacked any sort of idea to break Roscommon down. In the first half the players always a support runner but that stopped in the 2nd half and players became isolated when they got into their 45. The players look afraid to take responsbility when in possession, how many times did we see one of the Galway players try and take on an opponent which would then create some space, I can barely remember that in the 2nd half apart from Walsh, Brannigan & Sean Kelly, Kevin Walsh claimed a lack of possession was their biggest problem which was true but you've got to factor in the lack of effort in which Galway attempted to press Roscommon in that 2nd half, that was the biggest noticeable different between the sides. As soon as Galway went into the Roscommon half they were ravenous and all over Galway like a rash whilst Galway let Roscommon waltz all the way into the Galway 45 and even then made no attempt to win the ball back, just happy to keep shadowing the Rossies. Surely after 45 minutes the instructions should have come in to press them higher up the pitch to try and change the direction of the game. This is how Galway got plenty of joy in that last 10 minutes of the 1st half.
I've probably over analysed the game to death here but ultimately there was a total systems in that 2nd half in every aspect of play and the manager has too take most of the blame.
Not always, last years Connacht final Roscommon led by 4 points after 40 minutes and Galway ended up winning by 4. Roscommon seemed to learn more from that defeat than Galway did in victory and when Roscommon took the lead 2nd half last Sunday there was only going to be one winner.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 20, 2019, 12:26:31 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 20, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: mouview on June 19, 2019, 03:37:42 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 18, 2019, 11:42:21 PM
Watched the game again, I'm hoping the rumours about Tom Flynn carrying an injury are true because his performance was pathetic. Over the last 12 months he's been one of Galways most consistent performers but he'll be very embarrassed when they do the video analysis session. He was directly responsible for 3 points when his man took him on and then on two other occassions he made poor attempts at stopping Smith & Killoran as they entered the D; His attempt at tracking back for their goal wasn't great either and then he barely got to a kickout all game, you'd have to assume he was injured. Roscommon hit 1-9 from play, from a Galway point of view 1-6 of that were appalling scores to give away, Roscommon didn't have to do anything special to score them. As for Sean Andy its all been stated on here, he was probably unlucky with 2 of the frees he gave away, they were very harsh and in fairness Cox hit 2 brilliant scores with his left foot for 2 other scores but his defending for the goal was a joke, simply not good enough. There was no goal on unless Roscommon produced something special but luckily they could rely on Sean Andy's day dreaming.
Kerin has took a lot of stick this year and a lot of that has been warranted but he had a great game on Sunday, one of Roscommons scores was a result of him and that was only because he had to bring Kilroy down as O'Donnell had completely fallen asleep as Kilroy had run of him, a simple case of wanting it more which was a familar scene during the 2nd half.
Cooke was crap but another one who didn't look fit, gives the ball away needlessly all too often with daft balls. Heaney & O'Donnell barely got on the ball during the game, both should have been hooked after 45 minutes. The lack of cohesion and intensity during that second half was all too obvious, so many times players were isolated as they crossed the Roscommon 45 and all too often Roscommon entered the Galway 45 without a glove been put on them. I've defended Lavelle but he was very poor. John Daly continues to improve played well, would say he won more breaks than anyone else and actually knows how to dispossess an opponent.
The trouble with Galway is that many of players are a bit of a job lot; good one week, bad the next. Hurlers were like that going back 10 years or more. One of the reasons a player earns the definition 'good' is because he does his stuff consistently, even when playing not at the top of his form, he can do something worthwhile or relevant. Galway just don't have many 'good' players at present.
Results show Galway are too inconsistent but not sure I'd put that down to the players not been good enough. Players have to take plenty of responsibility but ultimately the blame lies with the manager, Galway always struggle when they go 3 or 4 points behind. Whether it be Tipp in 16, Kerry in 17, Monaghan & Dublin last year they just don't have the answers or mindest to get back in the game. We've not seen any improvement in this department in since the Tipp game so that has to be put down to Kevin Walsh. There's also the case when we're in total control of the game like we were against Kerry & Kildare midway through the 2nd half last year that we don't kick on and put the game to bed during that period. There's a lack of killer instinct about this team just yet. Look at the first half with Galway kicking 10 points from 11 attempts, there were some really great scores in there from Walsh, O'Laoi, Bradshaw & FOC. Thats a brilliant return that you very rarely see matches. Then you get the shitshow in the second half were Galway looked devoid of any ideas, Roscommon certainly upped their intensity levels when they got the goal but Galway went in the opposite direction and lacked any sort of idea to break Roscommon down. In the first half the players always a support runner but that stopped in the 2nd half and players became isolated when they got into their 45. The players look afraid to take responsbility when in possession, how many times did we see one of the Galway players try and take on an opponent which would then create some space, I can barely remember that in the 2nd half apart from Walsh, Brannigan & Sean Kelly, Kevin Walsh claimed a lack of possession was their biggest problem which was true but you've got to factor in the lack of effort in which Galway attempted to press Roscommon in that 2nd half, that was the biggest noticeable different between the sides. As soon as Galway went into the Roscommon half they were ravenous and all over Galway like a rash whilst Galway let Roscommon waltz all the way into the Galway 45 and even then made no attempt to win the ball back, just happy to keep shadowing the Rossies. Surely after 45 minutes the instructions should have come in to press them higher up the pitch to try and change the direction of the game. This is how Galway got plenty of joy in that last 10 minutes of the 1st half.
I've probably over analysed the game to death here but ultimately there was a total systems in that 2nd half in every aspect of play and the manager has too take most of the blame.
Not always, last years Connacht final Roscommon led by 4 points after 40 minutes and Galway ended up winning by 4. Roscommon seemed to learn more from that defeat than Galway did in victory and when Roscommon took the lead 2nd half last Sunday there was only going to be one winner.
Fair point, forgot about that. There was certainly going to be only one winner with Kevin Walsh's tactics; All very disappointing.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 17, 2019, 06:14:47 PM
Quote from: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on June 17, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
Roscommon won because they were the hungrier outfit and when the game was in the melting pot, their appetite was in stark contrast to the galway one.
Alas, I fear hunger and honest application may only get you so far, and there is a strong possibility that the Rossie will not win another game, in fact, I dare say, many will view them as a weak link in the Super 8s and those coming through the qualifier route will be hoping they are in the Rossie group.
I'd say the GAA will ban us from the so called Super8s due to not being good enough. ::)
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The solution will be to drop Roscommon into Tier 2 when the upstairs/downstairs policy of the GAA's polit-bureau is implemented.