Brexit.

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OgraAnDun

Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Tubberman

Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

seafoid

#3317
Quote from: yellowcard on December 04, 2017, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 04, 2017, 02:14:08 PM
Breaking: DUP leader Arlene Foster accuses Irish government of 'seeking to unilaterally change' Good Friday Agreement after Brexit deal reports.

Foster: 'We will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the United Kingdom'

More grunt from Arlene, fairly predictable though. She is like a broken record at this stage and the DUP have no-one to blame but themselves. She has been like a godsend for nationalists.
She must be looking for money



Arlene Foster's statement in full

Here is Arlene Foster's statement in full. She did not take questions.

We have been very clear: Northern Ireland must leave the European Union on the same terms as the rest of the United Kingdom and we will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separate Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the UK. And the economic and constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom must not be compromised in any way.

And Her Majesty's government understands the position of this party. The prime minister has told the House of Commons that there will be no border in the Irish Sea. And the prime minister has been clear that the UK is leaving the European Union as a whole, that the territorial and economic integrity of the United Kingdom will be protected.

For our part, of course, we do want to see a sensible Brexit, a Brexit where the common travel area is continued, where we meet our financial obligations, where we have a strict, time-limited implementation period, and where the contribution of EU migrants to our economy is recognised in a practical manner.

The Republic of Ireland government for their part claim to be guarantors of the Belfast agreement but they are clearly seeking to unilaterally change that Belfast agreement without out input or our consent. And of course we will not stand for that.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

BennyCake

Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

yellowcard

Quote from: seafoid on December 04, 2017, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on December 04, 2017, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 04, 2017, 02:14:08 PM
Breaking: DUP leader Arlene Foster accuses Irish government of 'seeking to unilaterally change' Good Friday Agreement after Brexit deal reports.

Foster: 'We will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the United Kingdom'

More grunt from Arlene, fairly predictable though. She is like a broken record at this stage and the DUP have no-one to blame but themselves. She has been like a godsend for nationalists.
She must be looking for money



Arlene Foster's statement in full

Here is Arlene Foster's statement in full. She did not take questions.

We have been very clear: Northern Ireland must leave the European Union on the same terms as the rest of the United Kingdom and we will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separate Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the UK. And the economic and constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom must not be compromised in any way.

And Her Majesty's government understands the position of this party. The prime minister has told the House of Commons that there will be no border in the Irish Sea. And the prime minister has been clear that the UK is leaving the European Union as a whole, that the territorial and economic integrity of the United Kingdom will be protected.

For our part, of course, we do want to see a sensible Brexit, a Brexit where the common travel area is continued, where we meet our financial obligations, where we have a strict, time-limited implementation period, and where the contribution of EU migrants to our economy is recognised in a practical manner.

The Republic of Ireland government for their part claim to be guarantors of the Belfast agreement but they are clearly seeking to unilaterally change that Belfast agreement without out input or our consent. And of course we will not stand for that.

Rather than sling mud at the 2 governments she needs to have a look at her own party's Brexit stance from the outset. They couldn't see past their inward thinking and the 'Little Englander' mentality that meant that they adapted a Brexit stance. They can't have it both ways, they voted for Brexit yet don't want to accept the consequences of it.

sid waddell

Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
You're begging of us, please don't take your land
Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
You say please don't take it just because we can

Your bitterness is beyond compare
And power you do refuse to share
With a stony face and eyes that cannot see

Your frown is like a stinking bin
Your voice is like the cat dragged in
They call you Mrs. Misery, Arlene

Do you have nightmares in your sleep?
There's nothing you can do to keep
Your Brexit dreams from dying, oh Arlene

Your ugliness is beyond compare
You look like John Parrott the snooker player
Your bigotry is poison, oh Arlene

Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
You're wrecking the peace we have on this island
Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
In America you would be in the Klan

And you should easily understand
That we can thrown you down the can
But you mean nothing to us, oh Arlene

Oh, Arlene, what's it gonna be?
A border in the Irish sea
Or your economy destroyed by you, Arlene

We have to have this talk with you
If you don't want lots of border queues
You better make your mind up, oh Arlene

You thought you had political clout
But the Brits are gonna sell you out
Today you learned you're just a pawn, Arlene

Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
You're crazy, you don't even have a plan
Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
We'll separate you from the mainland

Death will come from a thousand cuts
In your statelet full of Bible nuts
If you don't sort out the border, oh Arlene

Your politics is so corrupt
And you clearly want to self-destruct
And Brexit's gonna turn to ash, Arlene

Your sanity is on the verge
'Cause regulation will converge
You've only got one card to play, Arlene

You can bring down Tessie May
And put Jeremy Corbyn in her place
But that will not be good for you, Arlene

Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
Get down and beg or we're gonna take your land
Arlene, Arlene, Arlene, Arlene
We're gonna take it just because we can


AZOffaly


trentoneill15

Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over. Living in a UK out of the EU is arguably more nationalist than living in an Ireland in the EU.

Tubberman

Quote from: trentoneill15 on December 04, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over.

Knowing that Ireland was going to remain in the EU? So you're an advocate for partition then?
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

trentoneill15

Quote from: Tubberman on December 04, 2017, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: trentoneill15 on December 04, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over.

Knowing that Ireland was going to remain in the EU? So you're an advocate for partition then?

Partition is out of my hands and always will be, a unified Ireland will never happen because the southerners will never want it, my opinion is meaningless on the matter, we Ulstermen have to take what we can get, if that's a UK out of the EU then that's it.

omaghjoe

Quote from: trentoneill15 on December 04, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over. Living in a UK out of the EU is arguably more nationalist than living in an Ireland in the EU.

OF course its more nationalist.....British Nationalist

yellowcard

Quote from: trentoneill15 on December 04, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over. Living in a UK out of the EU is arguably more nationalist than living in an Ireland in the EU.

;D ;D ;D

trentoneill15

Quote from: omaghjoe on December 04, 2017, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: trentoneill15 on December 04, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

That's the brainless "nationalist" hypocrisy for you, I proudly voted for Brexit and would do so hundred times over. Living in a UK out of the EU is arguably more nationalist than living in an Ireland in the EU.

OF course its more nationalist.....British Nationalist

Still we are a Celtic Briton people regardless of the last 400 years of history. I'd rather be a British nationalist than have Europe seep their way under our skins.

OgraAnDun

#3328
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on December 04, 2017, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on December 04, 2017, 02:27:32 PM
So if a soft border pisses off unionists, and the North remains as it is, should all nationalists in the North not have voted for Brexit in the first place?

Some of them did but it was important that the north as a whole voted strongly to remain. I voted against Brexit but hoped that enough votes for it in England would lead to them leaving.

Was it? Why?

Many nationalists don't want to be in the UK, ie. a Union with Britain. Why would they want to be in a union with 20 odd others?

If the 6C voted to leave the EU by a margin of 60-40, the south could hardly then say they're representing the north's interests. May could say that the north wanted to leave. There'd be no real basis for the north securing any sort of special status as a clear majority wanted to leave. Look at all the foreign (including British) media coverage of the border problem and a huge amount of it is focused on how the north voted quite heavily to remain, that all border areas voted were heavy remain areas. There wouldn't be so much international attention or sympathy around the issue had nationalists in general, and the north as a whole, voted to leave.

To answer your second question, comparing the EU to the British Government in terms of which takes away more independence isn't really practical.

Tubberman

Quote from: Tubberman on December 04, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
Everyone wants to remain now!

NI, Scotland and now London (who knows/cares about Wales in fairness).

Mayor of London Sadiq Khan:
"Huge ramifications for London if Theresa May has conceded that it's possible for part of the UK to remain within the single market & customs union after Brexit. Londoners overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU and a similar deal here could protect tens of thousands of jobs."

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We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others. If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer.
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