GAA clubs named after Republican figures

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Rossfan

Reinventing history to try and fit a "Soccer good Gah bad" agenda isn't the brightest of ideas  ::)
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Franko

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy!  The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.

But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?

OK then, what connection did he have to the hospital?  There are plenty of angles from which to aim a genuine kick at the GAA.  But, if you'll pardon the pun, this one seems particularly obtuse.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Franko on November 02, 2018, 05:29:39 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 01, 2018, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 01, 2018, 11:40:36 AM
I'm not quoting your post as it becomes to unwieldy!  The thing is the naming process was reflective of the day. What local connection do St Patrick have to where St Pats are based in Dublin? Very few GAA clubs have any connection to any of the Saints they are named after. It is what it is and maybe instead of being offended by names etc people should look at the bigger picture and realise that the world today is significantly different than it was 100 odd years ago when many of these clubs were established
St Patricks hospital down the road from them I would wager.

But what was it reflecting? And why did no other organisation do this?

OK then, what connection did he have to the hospital?  There are plenty of angles from which to aim a genuine kick at the GAA.  But, if you'll pardon the pun, this one seems particularly obtuse.
Who is kicking?

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.

Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
. The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21

From the Bunker




Oscar Traynor (right), with Taoiseach Éamon de Valera and President Douglas Hyde, watching the Irish Free State soccer team
beat Poland 3–2 at Dalymount Park in November 1938. Applying Rule 27, the ban on 'foreign games', the GAA in the following month
controversially removed Hyde as a patron of the organisation.

Main Street

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.

Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.




Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.

Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.

Main Street

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.

Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.

Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat

Main Street

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.

Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat
Which stat?
What obligation?
I have already given the source of information,  Tim pat Coogan's book, which is richly and impeccably sourced..
If you have other sources to counter any information I have given, then please give them, don't hesitate,  just provide exact sourced information, inane ramblings are not fit for this purpose.
So far, you have given bullshit, with no sources.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 05, 2018, 02:06:04 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 04, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 04, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on November 02, 2018, 04:42:41 PM
Many prominent republicans were GAA men:
Michael Colllins was secretary of the London Geraldines and later treasurer of the London GAA board.
Padraig Pearse was chairman of the Leinster Colleges Council of the GAA in 1911
JJ Walsh, later government minister, was chairman of the Cork Co Board
Harry Boland was a member of the Dublin Co Board and a prominent referee
Thomas Ashe, Eamonn Ceannt, Con Colbert, Michael O'Hanrahan and Sean MacDiarmada were all members
Austin Stack was chairman of the Kerry Co Board

Apart from the above there was huge involvement of GAA men in 1916 - among those arrested were:
Tipp footballer Denis O'Callaghan
Galway Co Board Sec Stephen Jordan
Kerry footballers Pat Landers and Dick Fitzgerald
President of the Kerry Co Board Thomas Slattery
President of the GAA James Nowlan
Wexford footballers James Rafter, Thomas and Andrew Doyle, and Sean O'Kennedy
Almost all of the Enniscorthy Volunteers club
Matt O'Toole vice-president of the Meath Co Board
Louth footballer Tom Burke
Pat Larkin chairman of the Galway Co Board
Dan McCarthy later president of the GAA
Jack Shouldice of the Dublin Co Board
PD Breen of the GAA Central Council
Willie Walsh of the Waterford Co Board
Large numbers from the O'Tooles, Geraldines, Parnells and Crokes clubs in Dublin including the famous Johnny Beggs and the McDonnells brothers.

In his evidence to the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Rising, the Under Sec for Ireland, Sir Matthew Nathan, explicitly named the GAA as an anti-British association that had contributed to the Rising.

Thats a very thorough reply, kudos. But soccer could do the exact same, and none of those listed are known for their GAA exploits. Its still only 15 or so names.
The point does remain, the GAA were late to the party and are not referenced as being a driver at the time.

But when were these figures on these boards. I would suggest 20/21
You are scratching the bottom of the barrel now looking for some credibility.
Harry Boland alone from that list above could be regarded as the GAA equivalent to Oscar Traynor, but he didn't live long enough.
Statistically, 20% of the 1916 rebels were GAA club members.
Tim Pat Coogan's book on this subject is a good reference  on the role of the GAA in the War of Independence 1916 -1921
eg GAA congress in 1919 passed a motion to support the Limerick soviet, Harry Boland motioned  a £100 donation from GAA coffers and Congess arranged 4 matches to raise more funds for the strikers.

20%?

Jesus wept.
So, you don't have anything of substance to back up your suppositions and fancies, just a sneer.
obligation is on you to back up that stat
Which stat?
What obligation?
I have already given the source of information,  Tim pat Coogan's book, which is richly and impeccably sourced..
If you have other sources to counter any information I have given, then please give them, don't hesitate,  just provide exact sourced information, inane ramblings are not fit for this purpose.
So far, you have given bullshit, with no sources.
Which book ffs.

20% my arse. And you know it.

Franko

https://www.irishnews.com/arts/2018/10/25/news/historian-tim-pat-coogan-on-his-book-the-gaa-and-the-war-of-independence-1465710/

If you've got a better source, please present it.

Failing that, we'll all have to conclude that, yet again, you've been caught out talking tosh.

seafoid

He wasn't a Republican but Ruairí Óg Gaelic Athletic Club in Cushendall is named after him.  Ruairí Óg Ó Mórdha from Laois led the Catholic side in the Irish Rebellion of 1641.

Great call there by Cushendall
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU