Bring it on, though who shall it be, the Lilywhites,the Orchard Robbers, or the Duckling Breeders? ;)
Ye could be playing Monaghan too!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2017, 06:57:16 PM
Ye could be playing Monaghan too!
Or Down again?
EDIT: No, could be Monaghan OK, but not Down again in the Quarters.
We'll beat the three of them on the one day if they all want to come and have a go.
That's the stuff, Santa
:)
The championship is really only about what happens from now on. So the game of throne will really be the semi final. Do they have what it takes ?
I'd say the flourbags would be quietly confident about winning this one.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
I'd say the flourbags would be quietly confident about winning this one.
You would, ya fecking numpty! :P ;)
I don't know Jinxy, Tyrone look awesome, these boys are all pumped up,
you only had to see the way Big Sean (finally) got himself up of the grass after being stabbed in the back by the cowardly McKernon and soldiered on, that surely was an awesome sight.
Quote from: Main Street on July 17, 2017, 07:52:12 PM
I don't know Jinxy, Tyrone look awesome, these boys are all pumped up,
you only had to see the way Big Sean (finally) got himself up of the grass after being stabbed in the back by the cowardly McKernon and soldiered on, that surely was an awesome sight.
There's a time we'd have taken the bate but after watching Monaghan get beat by Longford and then down in championship football followed by a huge struggle to get past Carlow I think we all just feel sorry for them these days. It was a golden era for Monaghan football with two ulsters but failure to get to a semi will haunt the county.
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
What win back to back All Ireland's?? Or have big Sean immortalised in a Saw Doctors song?
Get the fook outta this thread. I think Mayo people have a radar thing inbuilt and when the word Mayo is spoken or typed they know about it. It's like the wife and when I have an extra pint. They bloody know.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Or Monaghan
There is something ominous about the grip Kerry and Dublin have on Sam this decade
Donegal managed to win once but Mayo and Monaghan did not.
we were ulster champions in 2007, 2010 and 2016 and in the all-ireland 1/4 finals in each of those years we were very poor despite being favourites. even in 2009 we just about got over the line against Kildare. hopefully lessons will finally be learned...
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2017, 07:47:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
I'd say the flourbags would be quietly confident about winning this one.
You would, ya fecking numpty! :P ;)
The most dangerous animal in the world is a wounded Kildare man.
Any wan know when the tickets are available. With Dublin playing first it could be wild hard to get some.
You Tyrone hoors are cocky bastids...Maybe we should all amalgamate and then we'll have a half a chance of winning other than that is there any point in even showing up.
So who do Tyrone play in the semi finals? Has that been drawn yet?. Get your hotels booked for all Ireland final weekend and remember us peasants looking for a ticket
Quote from: illdecide on July 17, 2017, 10:21:59 PM
You Tyrone hoors are cocky bastids...Maybe we should all amalgamate and then we'll have a half a chance of winning other than that is there any point in even showing up.
So who do Tyrone play in the semi finals? Has that been drawn yet?. Get your hotels booked for all Ireland final weekend and remember us peasants looking for a ticket
Dublin. But yes, they are an odious people.
Quote from: illdecide on July 17, 2017, 10:21:59 PM
You Tyrone hoors are cocky bastids...Maybe we should all amalgamate and then we'll have a half a chance of winning other than that is there any point in even showing up.
So who do Tyrone play in the semi finals? Has that been drawn yet?. Get your hotels booked for all Ireland final weekend and remember us peasants looking for a ticket
Cocky? Half the county have been looking rid of harte all year cause we're going no where. Ignoring the winding the next day is a big game. As noted our quarter final record as Ulster champs hss been very poor. That will focus the minds and hopefully lead up a performance which is enough to get us over the line. We've been looking a crack at the dubs for years and are one win away from getting the chance.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:23:32 PM
Get the fook outta this thread. I think Mayo people have a radar thing inbuilt and when the word Mayo is spoken or typed they know about it. It's like the wife and when I have an extra pint. They bloody know.
Sounding more like Mayo everyday!!
Tyrone wild unlucky at the final hurdles the last few years. If Sean Cavanagh wasn't harshly sent off agin Mayo last year Im pretty sure they would have won it. Serious amount of possession squandered that day. I have no doubt if the big man was still on the field he would have fired a lot of them missed chances over the bar. Mayo like nearly everyone targets Sean and maybe karma caught up with Mayo in the final.
Anyone looking rid of Micky Harte deserves the fools pardon.
Quote from: Íseal agus crua isteach a on July 17, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
Tyrone wild unlucky at the final hurdles the last few years. If Sean Cavanagh wasn't harshly sent off agin Mayo last year Im pretty sure they would have won it. Serious amount of possession squandered that day. I have no doubt if the big man was still on the field he would have fired a lot of them missed chances over the bar. Mayo like nearly everyone targets Sean and maybe karma caught up with Mayo in the final.
Anyone looking rid of Micky Harte deserves the fools pardon.
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Yeah yeah i hear you...If Marsden hadn't been wrongly sent of due to play acting and cheating the man would have wrecked the net and Armagh would have two All Irelands and Tyrone may never of had any...who knows.
On a more serious note if any Tyrone people seriously wanted/want rid of MH they need their heads looked at, over the last 2-3 years i've defended MH on this board and offer still stands. If you men in Tyrone don't want him i'd gladly take him in
That was probably the most tragic and heart breaking moment I have ever witnessed, Big Sean being sent off against Mayo and the injustice of it still lingers. It was a sight for sore eyes to see Big Sean reduced to tears as he lay crumpled on the sidelines, he could not even bring himself to follow proceedings on the pitch.
But hey, let's take heart from the big man himself, that red card made Sean a more "resilient" person and he pledged himself to one last great year with Tyrone. He would not be here among us now only for that vindictive red card.
Win Sam for Big Sean.
Best team to challenge the mighty Dubs in order.
1 Tyrone
2 Armagh
3 Kildare
4 Down
5 Monaghan (also rans)
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2017, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 17, 2017, 07:47:59 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 17, 2017, 07:45:49 PM
I'd say the flourbags would be quietly confident about winning this one.
You would, ya fecking numpty! :P ;)
The most dangerous animal in the world is a wounded Kildare man.
Or a nihilistic Meath woman
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Or Monaghan
There is something ominous about the grip Kerry and Dublin have on Sam this decade
Donegal managed to win once but Mayo and Monaghan did not.
Kerry have only the one so far this decade...what's so ominous about that?
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Or Monaghan
There is something ominous about the grip Kerry and Dublin have on Sam this decade
Donegal managed to win once but Mayo and Monaghan did not.
This is why I reckon your a bot, would you not be more appropriate to mention Tipp at least the got to a semi?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 18, 2017, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Or Monaghan
There is something ominous about the grip Kerry and Dublin have on Sam this decade
Donegal managed to win once but Mayo and Monaghan did not.
Kerry have only the one so far this decade...what's so ominous about that?
Even when they are relatively weak they can still pick up Sams. Think how hard it has been for Tyrone to get to the final recently. The championship is like a restaurant where two-thirds of the tables are already booked by Dublin and Kerry.. This decade may be even worse.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Armagh surface here -- motoring rightly since the defeat to Down, and gathering a decent bit of momentum.
:-X
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2017, 11:40:26 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Armagh surface here -- motoring rightly since the defeat to Down, and gathering a decent bit of momentum.
Bet you let out a bit of wee typing that.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2017, 08:59:18 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 18, 2017, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Or Monaghan
There is something ominous about the grip Kerry and Dublin have on Sam this decade
Donegal managed to win once but Mayo and Monaghan did not.
Kerry have only the one so far this decade...what's so ominous about that?
Even when they are relatively weak they can still pick up Sams. Think how hard it has been for Tyrone to get to the final recently. The championship is like a restaurant where two-thirds of the tables are already booked by Dublin and Kerry.. This decade may be even worse.
Tyrone are due a final appearance. This gap from 2008-17 equals their previous longest of 1986-95.
Quote from: punt kick on July 18, 2017, 12:42:44 PM
:-XQuote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2017, 11:40:26 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Armagh surface here -- motoring rightly since the defeat to Down, and gathering a decent bit of momentum.
Bet you let out a bit of wee typing that.
And the bleedin' rest! :P
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 18, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2017, 08:59:18 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 18, 2017, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Or Monaghan
There is something ominous about the grip Kerry and Dublin have on Sam this decade
Donegal managed to win once but Mayo and Monaghan did not.
Kerry have only the one so far this decade...what's so ominous about that?
Even when they are relatively weak they can still pick up Sams. Think how hard it has been for Tyrone to get to the final recently. The championship is like a restaurant where two-thirds of the tables are already booked by Dublin and Kerry.. This decade may be even worse.
Tyrone are due a final appearance. This gap from 2008-17 equals their previous longest of 1986-95.
What about the gap of 1887 to 1986?
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 17, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
What win back to back All Ireland's?? Or have big Sean immortalised in a Saw Doctors song?
Mayo won an all ireland???
Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2017, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 17, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
What win back to back All Ireland's?? Or have big Sean immortalised in a Saw Doctors song?
Mayo won an all ireland???
Three actually same as Tyrone , and one less than Kildare!! 8)
Quote from: punt kick on July 18, 2017, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 18, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2017, 08:59:18 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 18, 2017, 02:14:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
Or Monaghan
There is something ominous about the grip Kerry and Dublin have on Sam this decade
Donegal managed to win once but Mayo and Monaghan did not.
Kerry have only the one so far this decade...what's so ominous about that?
Even when they are relatively weak they can still pick up Sams. Think how hard it has been for Tyrone to get to the final recently. The championship is like a restaurant where two-thirds of the tables are already booked by Dublin and Kerry.. This decade may be even worse.
Tyrone are due a final appearance. This gap from 2008-17 equals their previous longest of 1986-95.
What about the gap of 1887 to 1986?
Mind the gap please.
Fear, JMG agrees with you that Tyrone could well face Ulster oppoents for this game.
With Main Street behaving so strangely, maybe he knows something we don't and it could be them to go on and beat Dublin this year.
Jim also agreed with me that I thought at the time it was a good thing we didn't beat Dublin in the league.
A few Dub mates were saying to me on Sunday night there were only 4 players who started for Dublin on Sunday who started the AI final back in 2011.
Jim McGuinness in the Irish Times: Tyrone's collective gathering All-Ireland pace
Ulster title victory showed Mickey Harte's side are now a real threat to Dublin
Tyrone are Ulster champions again. What is crucial, for them, is they are a different calibre of Ulster champion now than they were 12 months ago.
As I watched Sunday's game, the smoothness and thoroughness of their performance turned the match into a very one-sided contest and the only significant thing about the final is that it brings Tyrone to a new place.
The game brought me back to the summer of 2012 when we defended Ulster – also against Down, coincidentally – and were trying to make the All-Ireland breakthrough. I felt we had to win Ulster again in order to ready ourselves for that task.
Now, Mickey Harte's team are in much the same place. A year ago, Tyrone were a young team trying to force their way back into the provincial conversation. This year they proved to themselves that they are the absolute kings of Ulster. They dispatched Donegal. They dispatched Down. So there is a huge psychological difference between the titles and the confidence that Sunday's victory brings.
You hear that word 'confidence' thrown about a lot. You hear that such and such is a confident player or so and so are a very confident team. Sometimes that terminology frustrates me. In many respects, confidence is a process. I think Mickey Harte is acutely aware of this. It is developed on a daily and nightly basis over many seasons.
It can be stated correctly that Tyrone are a confident team now. But that didn't just happen. From a planning point of view, that is almost solely down to Mickey Harte. This comes down to the level of detail a manager can bring to the job. You want to go into the dressing room leaving the players absolutely certain of what the task is and knowing that they have the information necessary to deal with an opposition.
For the manager, that might take four or five hours with pause-play to mark down everything that you are seeing as you analyse the opposition. And you might have 10 DVDs to work your way through.
And once that process is complete, you would have 40 or 50 hours of planning around a particular opposition. Then you begin to highlight the key things and the key people and you look at your notes and you see certain themes filter through and then a picture emerges. That's what you show your players. So when you walk into the dressing room you have absolute conviction in your voice.
Having been involved in games with Mickey Harte and having engaged in tactical battles with him – you saw how quickly he was to move people and you were always aware that his tactical mind was very sharp and that he had a clear read on what you were trying to do – it is easy to gauge how much emphasis he puts on preparation.
Think back to 2014. Tyrone were sort of lost. They had to respond to what was going on inside and outside the province. They had to wipe the blackboard and start again. It meant you had a situation where Mickey Harte was planning at a very detailed level for the sort of game he wanted his team to play. And the processes on the pitch at training became very smooth and deliberate over time.
Build momentum
And as a squad, Tyrone were also very aware of how deep they were going within themselves. And they began to build momentum. It is that which brings this thing called confidence.
And the combination of that deep level preparation and very hard work and then living through that experience –winning games and then finally reclaiming Ulster and taking that cup home – is what breeds the collective confidence we saw in evidence against Down. It is a life journey. The last piece of the jigsaw is encouragement. You keep on telling your younger players that they are good enough. And when you look at Tyrone, it is clear that a lot of these elements are in place.
You can list off Tyrone's qualities. There are intense from one to 15. They rarely foul. They are good on both transitions. They are well-drilled. They showed against Donegal they can deal with a packed defence and be patient and look for that gap and when they make the burst, it is with purpose.
And the old traits – running the ball and stroking points from the edge of the D and taking the best options – are still there too. Tyrone – and Mickey Harte – are masters of the high percentage option. I would do this drill when I was with Donegal: 35, 45, and 55 metre kick passes from line to line. When you pushed that out to the longest distance, the percentage of that pass being completed dropped from 95 per cent to 50 to 60 per cent. You can see that in how Tyrone play. It is never a hopeful ball. It is an expectant ball. As in: I am making that pass and I expect it to get there.
What is also striking in watching players like Niall Sludden, Mattie Donnelly and Tiernan McCann is their body shape. These were young players struggling for physique in the years I was with Donegal. Tyrone are not a big team and they have never had a big team. I think philosophically that Mickey Harte doesn't fancy big footballers.
He likes players to have huge lung capacity and be able to get around the pitch and they have to be football players. But he has also taken the lesson of the last few years when they were getting pushed around. So they have hit the gym in a big way.
Seán Cavanagh, in his last season, looks to be in the shape of his life. They are very strong and well put together. They have lean muscle mass. And the strength has its purpose. Guys like Donnelly and Sludden are strong and direct and skilful and they can punch holes in the opposition's defence.
I felt their decision-making up front as well was very impressive against Down. It isn't about who scores; it is about getting the scores. There is a selflessness – draw the guy in and then look for a runner off the shoulder and find the open player – which again comes down to coaching.
Regular starters
I may be wrong but I feel that's why players like Ronan O'Neill and Darren McCurry haven't been regular starters over the last couple of years. These are out and out scoring forwards. Their mindset is 'I think I can score' and not 'we can score'. That can disrupt the collective thought-process.
Because what Mickey Harte has assembled so brilliantly is a team whose strength lies in the collective rather than the individual. It comes down to the old truth for Tyrone: Peter Canavan doesn't play anymore. Stephen O'Neill is retired. Brian McGuigan is retired.
Will they perish on the sword that is the once-in-a-generation footballer? Teams that win All-Irelands almost always have both a strong collective and one or two outstanding players. Dublin are going for three All-Irelands in a row.
Bernard Brogan has been their go-to player of this era. Paul Flynn has been incredible for a long period of time. And Diarmuid Connolly is a cut above most players in the country. Michael Darragh Macauley changed the understanding of midfield play. Stephen Cluxton, as a goalkeeper, is at a different level.
Tyrone have many very, very good players. As Colm Cavanagh said after the final on Sunday, when they run the bench they replace "like with like". The patterns are never disrupted. That allows each player to exhibit his skill set.
Colm, for instance, is thriving in the role Mickey Harte has given him as a sweeper-cum-high-fielding midfielder. He has become a huge player in this set up. In Donegal, Mark McHugh was close to player of the year in 2012. The reason for that was because his role within a system suited his skill set. Had he been asked to play as conventional wing-half forward, he may not have had the opportunity to allow his unique skill set to flourish.
So can Tyrone actually go and win it all with a game plan that is crafted around a team philosophy? It is hard to know.
My mind flips back to the National League game in Croke Park against Dublin. That was an incredible game on a very cold night early in the season. Tyrone brought huge intensity, which I felt was significant. Tyrone's upcoming quarter-final is a potentially tricky one because there is a strong possibility they will meet Ulster opposition.
But for me, the big one is their potential semi-final against Dublin. It is as if the last number of seasons has been building towards this game. And I feel now that they didn't beat Dublin in the league is a good thing. It means they know how much work has to go into achieving that in championship football. I feel that they have the one massive game in them. And that game could be against Dublin. Because if not now, then when?
Crunch time
If you look at the influence of Mickey Harte over the last number of years based on all the things we have spoken about here and add of all those up, you have to think it is getting close to crunch time for them.
We can say with conviction that the transition is over. They have won Ulster back-to-back and are maturing. Their mindset is: brilliant to win Ulster . . . but . . . there is another competition now. That's the All-Ireland. That's the only summit that matters.
Seán Cavanagh is there holding the hands of the younger Tyrone players and showing them how to cross the road. But they have to make that journey on their own. So this potential game with Dublin becomes a crunch moment in the lifespan of this team. There are not many gaps in their development as I see it right now. The point I am making is: they are almost as good as they are going to be. Is that good enough?
I do feel they are one of very few teams with the capacity to beat Dublin. They can drag Dublin into a battle and ask questions of them. Don't forget, too, they have won an U-21 All-Ireland title. In their minds, they are winners. Why should senior be any different for them? That is a big thing.
However, even if they can take Dublin, that doesn't win them the All-Ireland. Can they go all the way without the marquee forward? They have innate Tyrone cockiness. You can see that. And the team that beats them has to be able to knock that out of them.
The team that beats Tyrone will have to look at each player in the eye and say: you are going to be sore walking out of this stadium. This is going to be a battle. That is how you face Tyrone down.
Tyrone are revving themselves up for something really big. I think the portents of that were there in the league and if they meet Dublin, it could be the game of the summer. They have found themselves again in Ulster. Now, they have to find themselves all over again with each game in Croke Park. That's new territory.
That was an enjoyable read by McGuinness. I think Tyrone and even the Dubs didn't show a full hand in their respective provincial finals. Bigger days a head and all that.
I think people get ahead of themselves in regard of the top 4 hierarchy.
People like to put Dublin and Kerry up on the hierarchy but in reality it is Dublin up there on their own.
Only 1 side have beaten Dublin since Gavin took over in Championship football and that was Donegal in 2014, to beat Dublin you will need to deliver your best performance in the Championship, so if you're drawing them in the semi, it's a big ask to follow up a final with a similar performance. Kerry's title in 2014 is in the record books but it will have a big asterisk beside it for me as they didn't have to beat Dublin, Donegal did their dirty work for him and peaked that day.
There's not an awful lot to be read between the state of the top 4 from last year?
Are Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone any better or worse?
It's hard to say yet.
I think Tyrone have improved, they are the freshest of the sides there, this group of players have only really been going since 2015 and are the ones who you'd expect to have made the most progress in the last two years.
Mayo looked like they were on the down slope but they could be following a similar trajectory to last year - the same shortcomings still look to exist but they've came extremely close before with these shortcomings being exposed so it's no reason to discount them. They've been struggling along this year so will need to find another gear fairly sharply.
Kerry have freshened up a bit this year, some of their forward play was devastating against Cork but Cork look to be the weakest Provincial finalist by some way this year. Kerry's defence looks to still be a serious issue though, it's easy to run through them and they rely heavily on cynical and systematic fouls to plug holes - if they run into a ref who won't have it then they will be in serious bother. If Mayo get them in the quarters I think they could take them.
Dublin are the team to beat and I think of all the teams, Tyrone possess the right gameplan to ask the biggest questions of them. In saying that if Tyrone were to beat Dublin, I suspect Kerry or Mayo would rightfully start favourites.
I'd be wary of a potential QF against Monaghan too, the one stage you don't want a tough draw as a provincial champion is the quarter and I feel Monaghan are the only side outside of the Top 4 currently capable of taking one of their scalps at Croke Park.
Monaghan who struggled to beat Carlow.
I'd say Tyrone are shaking in their boot alright.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
Monaghan who struggled to beat Carlow.
I'd say Tyrone are shaking in their boot alright.
Dublin didn't make light work of Carlow either.
Qualifiers are all about winning, doesn't matter by how much you win or how you get the result. It's not too long ago when Kerry struggled past Sligo, Antrim and Longford to win an All Ireland.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
Monaghan who struggled to beat Carlow.
I'd say Tyrone are shaking in their boot alright.
That coming from a man who hasn't experienced many runs in the qualifiers, perhaps..
Ok ye've convinced me - it's Monaghan v Dublin All Ireland Semi so.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
Monaghan who struggled to beat Carlow.
I'd say Tyrone are shaking in their boot alright.
Dublin didn't make light work of Carlow either.
Qualifiers are all about winning, doesn't matter by how much you win or how you get the result. It's not too long ago when Kerry struggled past Sligo, Antrim and Longford to win an All Ireland.
Absolutely agree, there has been numerous cases of one team just scraping past the other in the qualifiers since their inception.
Regarding your comment re not wanting Monaghan in the QF; they normally do put it up to Dublin (and have ran them as close as anybody this past few years) however the QF is clearly the ceiling for Monaghan. Beating the Dubs would obviously smash that to bits but that's the stuff of dreams really! Anyways, all very academic as we've the more pressing issue of playing Down, again.. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
Ok ye've convinced me - it's Monaghan v Dublin All Ireland Semi so.
I'm struggling with your response.. My point is that you may not fully understand the qualifiers if you believe the notion that the favourites will tank the minnows every time..
Nothing to do with tanking them.
Monaghan had enough possession v Carlow to tank them but couldn't kick the ball over the bar.
I'm just wondering how they're going to improve 60 or 70% to beat Tyrone as people seem to think?
Also humour not a big thing with the Ulsterites it seems.
Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 18, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?
They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.
4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.
I'd say they're a 18.88 Tonto.
How good would you say they are? How can you measure it?
Tyrone had it very easy in Ulster, easiest Ulster ever won most would say, scoring 3.60
Dublin had an easy Leinster yet again scoring 4.29 in one game, 6.71 overall
Kerry had another easy Munster yet again, scoring 2.41 in two games
And even Roscommon had an easy Connacht scoring 4.38 in just two games
Despite Tyrone scoring heavily in Ulster, they still have the lowest average of the 4 provincial winners
Dub 2.236
Ros 2.190
Kerry 1.205
Tyrone 1.20
Unless it's Armagh, it looks like it will be red jersey day again for this game. Have we ever lost in Croker with the red jersey?
This is very good
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-tyrone-are-gathering-all-ireland-pace-1.3157942
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 18, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?
They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.
4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.
It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 18, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
Ok ye've convinced me - it's Monaghan v Dublin All Ireland Semi so.
I'd take that as it would mean Armagh beating Kildare - as long as the loss to Dublin wasn't too bad. Oh there is also the added bonus that Monaghan beat Tyrone.
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 18, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?
They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.
4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.
It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.
It is though.
3 Ulster sides came through the qualifiers to R4, 1 Connacht side progressed and 0 sides from Leinster and Munster progressed.
You're arguing facts here which is the fundamental problem with your position.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 06:02:17 PM
I'd say they're a 18.88 Tonto.
How good would you say they are? How can you measure it?
Tyrone had it very easy in Ulster, easiest Ulster ever won most would say, scoring 3.60
Dublin had an easy Leinster yet again scoring 4.29 in one game, 6.71 overall
Kerry had another easy Munster yet again, scoring 2.41 in two games
And even Roscommon had an easy Connacht scoring 4.38 in just two games
Despite Tyrone scoring heavily in Ulster, they still have the lowest average of the 4 provincial winners
Dub 2.236
Ros 2.190
Kerry 1.205
Tyrone 1.20
Unless it's Armagh, it looks like it will be red jersey day again for this game. Have we ever lost in Croker with the red jersey?
It's hard to say how good you are. To me you look very good. I'm kinda playing devils advicate a bit to be honest. I know the league isn't the greatest indicator but how did you do against the non Ulster sides in div 1
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 18, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?
They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.
4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.
It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.
It is though.
3 Ulster sides came through the qualifiers to R4, 1 Connacht side progressed and 0 sides from Leinster and Munster progressed.
You're arguing facts here which is the fundamental problem with your position.
Ok, if it's a simple numbers game then Munster was the strongest province last year surely? And do provinces with more teams entering the qualifiers not have a better chance of getting more through than those with less? These are facts too which is where you're going wrong.
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 06:48:14 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on July 18, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Lots of people talk about how Dublin haven't beaten anyone of note yet, they won Leinster too easily and Tyrone will put it up to them etc. But, as good as Tyrone look, and the do look good, they had it easy in Ulster this year. How good are they really?
They have had it easy in Ulster but Ulster is a step above the rest of the Provinces.
4 teams come through the qualifiers to the last 12, 3 of them happen to be from Ulster.
It's not though. From results so far, you could argue that Munster have 3 teams (Tipp, Clare and Cork) all in or around the standard of everyone in Ulster bar Tyrone. Are Galway, Roscommon or Sligo not all at that level, at least, too. What about Meath, Kildare, Westmeath and even Carlow? What results indicate that they are much below the level of Armagh, Down or Donegal? If it's tougher it's primarily because it's got 9 counties but most are very much in the pack with the rest of Ireland.
It is though.
3 Ulster sides came through the qualifiers to R4, 1 Connacht side progressed and 0 sides from Leinster and Munster progressed.
You're arguing facts here which is the fundamental problem with your position.
Ok, if it's a simple numbers game then Munster was the strongest province last year surely? And do provinces with more teams entering the qualifiers not have a better chance of getting more through than those with less? These are facts too which is where you're going wrong.
Yes and last year as the facts show, was an anomaly.
Ok, so facts don't matter just how you interpret them. This year 3 Ulster teams coming through the qualifiers shows Ulster is the strongest province but last year 3 Munster teams into the QF is an anomaly? You're also ignoring the fact Ulster have more qualifier entries and luck of the draw can skew the results. So it's not black and white, its interpretation of the simple facts that matter. Ulster has more middle of the road teams because it has more teams. It's no more difficult to win for the Kerrys, Dublins or Tyrones than any other bar, maybe, playing one more round against a team you'd beat 10 times out of 10.
Not sure why some Ulster posters seem to be put out if Ulster is discribed as anything other than a minefield. It's not, at the moment anyway, but has one very good team and a few more decent ones but probably no better than 6 to 8 other non-Ulster teams.
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
Ok, so facts don't matter just how you interpret them. This year 3 Ulster teams coming through the qualifiers shows Ulster is the strongest province but last year 3 Munster teams into the QF is an anomaly? You're also ignoring the fact Ulster have more qualifier entries and luck of the draw can skew the results. So it's not black and white, its interpretation of the simple facts that matter. Ulster has more middle of the road teams because it has more teams. It's no more difficult to win for the Kerrys, Dublins or Tyrones than any other bar, maybe, playing one more round against a team you'd beat 10 times out of 10.
Not sure why some Ulster posters seem to be put out if Ulster is discribed as anything other than a minefield. It's not, at the moment anyway, but has one very good team and a few more decent ones but probably no better than 6 to 8 other non-Ulster teams.
It's not a minefield this year. Maybe an arms dump
Which game is on first?
We're on first, with the Dubs to follow.
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
Ok, so facts don't matter just how you interpret them. This year 3 Ulster teams coming through the qualifiers shows Ulster is the strongest province but last year 3 Munster teams into the QF is an anomaly? You're also ignoring the fact Ulster have more qualifier entries and luck of the draw can skew the results. So it's not black and white, its interpretation of the simple facts that matter. Ulster has more middle of the road teams because it has more teams. It's no more difficult to win for the Kerrys, Dublins or Tyrones than any other bar, maybe, playing one more round against a team you'd beat 10 times out of 10.
Not sure why some Ulster posters seem to be put out if Ulster is discribed as anything other than a minefield. It's not, at the moment anyway, but has one very good team and a few more decent ones but probably no better than 6 to 8 other non-Ulster teams.
I'll make one edit to my post. I think Monaghan are a very good side though their Down and Carlow performances raise questions about where they are this year. Nevertheless, I think they are on the edges of the top 4 too but don't seem to be playing like that. Would love to see them make a semi final at least.
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
Ok, so facts don't matter just how you interpret them. This year 3 Ulster teams coming through the qualifiers shows Ulster is the strongest province but last year 3 Munster teams into the QF is an anomaly? You're also ignoring the fact Ulster have more qualifier entries and luck of the draw can skew the results. So it's not black and white, its interpretation of the simple facts that matter. Ulster has more middle of the road teams because it has more teams. It's no more difficult to win for the Kerrys, Dublins or Tyrones than any other bar, maybe, playing one more round against a team you'd beat 10 times out of 10.
Not sure why some Ulster posters seem to be put out if Ulster is discribed as anything other than a minefield. It's not, at the moment anyway, but has one very good team and a few more decent ones but probably no better than 6 to 8 other non-Ulster teams.
Yes, 3 Munster teams getting to the AI QFs is an anomaly, it never happened before and I'd be doubtful if it will happen again for a long time. I would advocate a draw that ensures teams from the same Province cannot draw each other in the qualifiers until round 4 at the earliest. It's unfair on Ulster teams who have to pit themselves in the toughest province by a mile to then have to face off each other in early qualifying rounds.
In 2014, Tyrone were knocked out by Monaghan and then had to face an Armagh side in the qualifers and got knocked out. Armagh went on to be nipped by a point by Donegal who then beat Dublin in the semi-final.
Roscommon were in the last 12 of the AI this year by simply beating Leitrim, not exactly an equitable system. Year on year, Kerry and Cork get cushy routes into the last 12.
I'm against the Super 8 but I suppose one silver lining is it will address imbalances like this.
Don't agree it was an anomaly. Clare were unlucky to meet Mayo this year and Tipp, short their best forward, lost to Armagh by a goal. I think both those teams will make QF's again before long. A SF might be beyond both again but QF's are very much within their range and if Tipp get a few hurlers back and O'Riordan from Oz they will make them regularly enough.
I'd get rid of the provincials in the morning, for many reasons, but the inequity of the provinces would be one of the main ones. It's daft having four groups of unequal numbers feeding into the All Ireland series.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2017, 06:17:40 PM
This is very good
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-tyrone-are-gathering-all-ireland-pace-1.3157942
Nearly as good as when it was posted on the previous page by Fuzzman. ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2017, 10:17:20 PM
We're on first, with the Dubs to follow.
Who ever Tyrone play it will be just like the Mayo game last year, pockets of supporters here and there, loads of empty seats and nearly no atmosphere.
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 12:15:02 AM
Don't agree it was an anomaly. Clare were unlucky to meet Mayo this year and Tipp, short their best forward, lost to Armagh by a goal. I think both those teams will make QF's again before long. A SF might be beyond both again but QF's are very much within their range and if Tipp get a few hurlers back and O'Riordan from Oz they will make them regularly enough.
I'd get rid of the provincials in the morning, for many reasons, but the inequity of the provinces would be one of the main ones. It's daft having four groups of unequal numbers feeding into the All Ireland series.
It is daft but Dublin and Kerry win most of the all Irelands and have done so going back a century and it suits them.
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 12:15:02 AM
Don't agree it was an anomaly. Clare were unlucky to meet Mayo this year and Tipp, short their best forward, lost to Armagh by a goal. I think both those teams will make QF's again before long. A SF might be beyond both again but QF's are very much within their range and if Tipp get a few hurlers back and O'Riordan from Oz they will make them regularly enough.
I'd get rid of the provincials in the morning, for many reasons, but the inequity of the provinces would be one of the main ones. It's daft having four groups of unequal numbers feeding into the All Ireland series.
Tipp's best forward played the full 70 minutes against Armagh.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 11:40:03 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
Ok, so facts don't matter just how you interpret them. This year 3 Ulster teams coming through the qualifiers shows Ulster is the strongest province but last year 3 Munster teams into the QF is an anomaly? You're also ignoring the fact Ulster have more qualifier entries and luck of the draw can skew the results. So it's not black and white, its interpretation of the simple facts that matter. Ulster has more middle of the road teams because it has more teams. It's no more difficult to win for the Kerrys, Dublins or Tyrones than any other bar, maybe, playing one more round against a team you'd beat 10 times out of 10.
Not sure why some Ulster posters seem to be put out if Ulster is discribed as anything other than a minefield. It's not, at the moment anyway, but has one very good team and a few more decent ones but probably no better than 6 to 8 other non-Ulster teams.
Yes, 3 Munster teams getting to the AI QFs is an anomaly, it never happened before and I'd be doubtful if it will happen again for a long time. I would advocate a draw that ensures teams from the same Province cannot draw each other in the qualifiers until round 4 at the earliest. It's unfair on Ulster teams who have to pit themselves in the toughest province by a mile to then have to face off each other in early qualifying rounds.
In 2014, Tyrone were knocked out by Monaghan and then had to face an Armagh side in the qualifers and got knocked out. Armagh went on to be nipped by a point by Donegal who then beat Dublin in the semi-final.
Roscommon were in the last 12 of the AI this year by simply beating Leitrim, not exactly an equitable system. Year on year, Kerry and Cork get cushy routes into the last 12.
I'm against the Super 8 but I suppose one silver lining is it will address imbalances like this.
How will it address the imbalances you highlight of teams getting to q-finals?
The super 8's will replace the quarter finals, so will have no impact on the provincials or qualifiers.
This is the weirdest Tyrone thread I've ever seen with hardly any chat about Tyrone at all.
Just wondering are people aware how much Tyrone have cleaned up their act on the pitch.
Yes Morgan's shouting at the Down player was not in good taste but I don't think there has been much cynical or dirty play in their 3 games in Ulster.
In fact it took 28mins for the first free to be scored in the Ulster final last Sunday.
Our discipline in the tackle has been a huge factor in winning games and it will be interesting to see does this continue when the matches get tougher. Should we get to meet the Dubs, it would be great if we don't give Dean Rock handy frees and so they would have to fight a lot harder to get scores.
Do the Monaghan fans feel a bit like the Galway fans I wonder in that should they win their next match they will either play Dublin or Tyrone? Galway should they beat Donegal will probably face Kerry next as they can't meet Mayo again.
For me Monaghan still could shock a few people as they have a good team with talented forwards.
Many would consider them 5th in the rankings and well able to beat Mayo or Tyrone on their day.
Regarding the system next year. Have they decided yet which provinces will be grouped together. I mean this year Leinster play Ulster so does that mean next year Leinster will be in the same group as Connacht as last year it was Leinster v Munster?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tyrone-squad-put-faith-in-pre-match-rosary-455117.html
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 08:47:06 AM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 12:15:02 AM
Don't agree it was an anomaly. Clare were unlucky to meet Mayo this year and Tipp, short their best forward, lost to Armagh by a goal. I think both those teams will make QF's again before long. A SF might be beyond both again but QF's are very much within their range and if Tipp get a few hurlers back and O'Riordan from Oz they will make them regularly enough.
I'd get rid of the provincials in the morning, for many reasons, but the inequity of the provinces would be one of the main ones. It's daft having four groups of unequal numbers feeding into the All Ireland series.
Tipp's best forward played the full 70 minutes against Armagh.
You'd accept he was severely hindered though?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
Do the Monaghan fans feel a bit like the Galway fans I wonder in that should they win their next match they will either play Dublin or Tyrone? Galway should they beat Donegal will probably face Kerry next as they can't meet Mayo again.
For me Monaghan still could shock a few people as they have a good team with talented forwards.
Many would consider them 5th in the rankings and well able to beat Mayo or Tyrone on their day.
Of course we'll want to win our next game, losing to Down for a second time in a season in the last 12 would be an awful way to go out. If we can't get ourselves up for this game then we deserve all the criticism that comes our way.
Obviously if we did win we would be underdogs in the quarter final either way, but that's the stage we wanted to get back to. I'd prefer we met Tyrone but I don't think we'll get a choice with Kildare probably beating Armagh. Another game for us first anyway before we worry about any of that.
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 11:04:28 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 08:47:06 AM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 12:15:02 AM
Don't agree it was an anomaly. Clare were unlucky to meet Mayo this year and Tipp, short their best forward, lost to Armagh by a goal. I think both those teams will make QF's again before long. A SF might be beyond both again but QF's are very much within their range and if Tipp get a few hurlers back and O'Riordan from Oz they will make them regularly enough.
I'd get rid of the provincials in the morning, for many reasons, but the inequity of the provinces would be one of the main ones. It's daft having four groups of unequal numbers feeding into the All Ireland series.
Tipp's best forward played the full 70 minutes against Armagh.
You'd accept he was severely hindered though?
You'll accept he played the full 70 minutes and scored Tipp's only goal with a great individual effort?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
This is the weirdest Tyrone thread I've ever seen with hardly any chat about Tyrone at all.
Just wondering are people aware how much Tyrone have cleaned up their act on the pitch.
Yes Morgan's shouting at the Down player was not in good taste but I don't think there has been much cynical or dirty play in their 3 games in Ulster.
In fact it took 28mins for the first free to be scored in the Ulster final last Sunday.
Our discipline in the tackle has been a huge factor in winning games and it will be interesting to see does this continue when the matches get tougher. Should we get to meet the Dubs, it would be great if we don't give Dean Rock handy frees and so they would have to fight a lot harder to get scores.
Do the Monaghan fans feel a bit like the Galway fans I wonder in that should they win their next match they will either play Dublin or Tyrone? Galway should they beat Donegal will probably face Kerry next as they can't meet Mayo again.
For me Monaghan still could shock a few people as they have a good team with talented forwards.
Many would consider them 5th in the rankings and well able to beat Mayo or Tyrone on their day.
Regarding the system next year. Have they decided yet which provinces will be grouped together. I mean this year Leinster play Ulster so does that mean next year Leinster will be in the same group as Connacht as last year it was Leinster v Munster?
Dont be stupid FM - people outside Tyrone cant look at us or our games objectively as it wouldnt support their lazy analysis.
Morgan aside (and really he only done were Down players were at the whole first half) we have been impeccably behaved this season
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 11:04:28 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 08:47:06 AM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 12:15:02 AM
Don't agree it was an anomaly. Clare were unlucky to meet Mayo this year and Tipp, short their best forward, lost to Armagh by a goal. I think both those teams will make QF's again before long. A SF might be beyond both again but QF's are very much within their range and if Tipp get a few hurlers back and O'Riordan from Oz they will make them regularly enough.
I'd get rid of the provincials in the morning, for many reasons, but the inequity of the provinces would be one of the main ones. It's daft having four groups of unequal numbers feeding into the All Ireland series.
Tipp's best forward played the full 70 minutes against Armagh.
You'd accept he was severely hindered though?
You'll accept he played the full 70 minutes and scored Tipp's only goal with a great individual effort?
Absolutely, which begs the question what damage he would have done fully fit. Besides, the point is Tipp and Clare are at least as good as most of the counties in Ulster and both have a decent chance of making QF's for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 02:53:12 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 11:04:28 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 08:47:06 AM
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 12:15:02 AM
Don't agree it was an anomaly. Clare were unlucky to meet Mayo this year and Tipp, short their best forward, lost to Armagh by a goal. I think both those teams will make QF's again before long. A SF might be beyond both again but QF's are very much within their range and if Tipp get a few hurlers back and O'Riordan from Oz they will make them regularly enough.
I'd get rid of the provincials in the morning, for many reasons, but the inequity of the provinces would be one of the main ones. It's daft having four groups of unequal numbers feeding into the All Ireland series.
Tipp's best forward played the full 70 minutes against Armagh.
You'd accept he was severely hindered though?
You'll accept he played the full 70 minutes and scored Tipp's only goal with a great individual effort?
Absolutely, which begs the question what damage he would have done fully fit. Besides, the point is Tipp and Clare are at least as good as most of the counties in Ulster and both have a decent chance of making QF's for the foreseeable future.
Fully fit is a bit of a misnomer, plenty of players carry knocks into the game, Donaghy played on after dislocating his finger in the first half.
Tipp and Clare are not as good as most of the counties in Ulster I would argue. Tipp are missing a lot of players granted but they're missing about half the amount of players Derry are for instance this season. Armagh are also missing quite a few players I can think of off hand for various reasons - Tony Kernan, Kyle Carragher, Mickey Murray, Stephen Harold, Caolan Rafferty, Michael McKenna, Kevin Dyas would be some I could think off for a brief thought.
The fact is both Clare and Tipp have made 1 All Ireland QF in the past 17 years so it's a bit of an extension to claim they can do it regularly.
Zulu, why don't you just admit that Ulster is the best, that all its 9 teams are super, that Ulster would win every All Ireland only for Kerry Dublin and Mayo get soft passages to the All Ireland Series.
Then that effin Bomber might just go away and and give us all a break.
Quote from: Taylor on July 19, 2017, 01:11:35 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
This is the weirdest Tyrone thread I've ever seen with hardly any chat about Tyrone at all.
Just wondering are people aware how much Tyrone have cleaned up their act on the pitch.
Yes Morgan's shouting at the Down player was not in good taste but I don't think there has been much cynical or dirty play in their 3 games in Ulster.
In fact it took 28mins for the first free to be scored in the Ulster final last Sunday.
Our discipline in the tackle has been a huge factor in winning games and it will be interesting to see does this continue when the matches get tougher. Should we get to meet the Dubs, it would be great if we don't give Dean Rock handy frees and so they would have to fight a lot harder to get scores.
Do the Monaghan fans feel a bit like the Galway fans I wonder in that should they win their next match they will either play Dublin or Tyrone? Galway should they beat Donegal will probably face Kerry next as they can't meet Mayo again.
For me Monaghan still could shock a few people as they have a good team with talented forwards.
Many would consider them 5th in the rankings and well able to beat Mayo or Tyrone on their day.
Regarding the system next year. Have they decided yet which provinces will be grouped together. I mean this year Leinster play Ulster so does that mean next year Leinster will be in the same group as Connacht as last year it was Leinster v Munster?
Dont be stupid FM - people outside Tyrone cant look at us or our games objectively as it wouldnt support their lazy analysis.
Morgan aside (and really he only done were Down players were at the whole first half) we have been impeccably behaved this season
I'm feeling rather nauseous.
If you can't accept Quinlivan was injured and not just carry a knock then you're not discussing this but simply trying to point score. He was a passenger for most of the game and not the central figure he would normally be.
What Tipp or Clare have done in the past 17 years is irrelevant to their immediate future. Tipp were in an All Ireland semi final last year and have a strong recent underage record and Clare have shown themselves to be a very competitive team against many of top 16 to 4 teams. I don't know if they will be in QF's regularly but there's nothing to suggest that a championship game against Armagh, Cavan, Fermanagh, Derry, Antrim or Down would be at least 50:50 in the foreseeable future. Monaghan and Donegal would probably be a bit too strong and Tyrone very likely to beat them.
You're entitled to disagree with that but I don't see any recent evidence to suggest you'd be right. Both Tipp and Clare tend to be underestimated as 'hurling' counties but at the moment they are definitely a match for any team not in the top 6 in the country.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
Zulu, why don't you just admit that Ulster is the best, that all its 9 teams are super, that Ulster would win every All Ireland only for Kerry Dublin and Mayo get soft passages to the All Ireland Series.
Then that effin Bomber might just go away and and give us all a break.
Ha, fair enough. I've made my point so I'll leave it now.
Zulu tipped Dublin to hockey us, then Kerry to win the final, in 2008 (long memories), so I'll just leave that there! :P ;)
Prayer is the secret weapon according to Ronan today.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 04:07:59 PM
Zulu tipped Dublin to hockey us, then Kerry to win the final, in 2008 (long memories), so I'll just leave that there! :P ;)
Jaysus, was I posting here 9 years ago? If I said that I've obviously matured and developed a far better understanding of football so you can now take my views as gospel!!
Quote from: Zulu on July 19, 2017, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 04:07:59 PM
Zulu tipped Dublin to hockey us, then Kerry to win the final, in 2008 (long memories), so I'll just leave that there! :P ;)
Jaysus, was I posting here 9 years ago? If I said that I've obviously matured and developed a far better understanding of football so you can now take my views as gospel!!
Time truly flies a chara:
Date Registered:December 14, 2007,
11:24:54 PMLocal Time:July 19, 2017, 04:48:48 PMLast Active:Today at 04:43:55 PMYou might have been a breath of fresh air, once ;)
At present Tyrone are probably the biggest threat to dublin; Kerry to me are poor at the bck but strong at midfield and forwards! If they were meeting Kerry in the semi fancy them to beat them@! But they got dublin who are looking very strong without costello; connolly, flynn; brogan currently starting in the forwards! Tyrone have a strong bench but dublin have the stronger team and bench! They have a issue at fullback however without O'Carroll however!
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
Zulu, why don't you just admit that Ulster is the best, that all its 9 teams are super, that Ulster would win every All Ireland only for Kerry Dublin and Mayo get soft passages to the All Ireland Series.
Then that effin Bomber might just go away and and give us all a break.
Jeez can u not just debate without the hyperbol. Bomber has a point.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
This is the weirdest Tyrone thread I've ever seen with hardly any chat about Tyrone at all.
Jesus not another narcissistic, all about Tyrone, what about Tyrone, oh dear they're not talking enough about us and how great we are for being less of a bastárd this year, etc etc.
The thread is not a Tyrone thread, it's about a 1/4 final, as it stands now Tyrone v 3 other possible teams.
Cue some stupid schoolyard reactionary retort ;D
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
Zulu, why don't you just admit that Ulster is the best, that all its 9 teams are super, that Ulster would win every All Ireland only for Kerry Dublin and Mayo get soft passages to the All Ireland Series.
Then that effin Bomber might just go away and and give us all a break.
Jeez can u not just debate without the hyperbol. Bomber has a point.
Humour hasn't reached Ulster yet.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 19, 2017, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
Zulu, why don't you just admit that Ulster is the best, that all its 9 teams are super, that Ulster would win every All Ireland only for Kerry Dublin and Mayo get soft passages to the All Ireland Series.
Then that effin Bomber might just go away and and give us all a break.
Jeez can u not just debate without the hyperbol. Bomber has a point.
Humour hasn't reached Ulster yet.
Doctor: "Do you do sports?"
Patient: "Does sex count?"
Doctor: "Yes."
Patient: "Then no."
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2017, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 19, 2017, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2017, 03:47:32 PM
Zulu, why don't you just admit that Ulster is the best, that all its 9 teams are super, that Ulster would win every All Ireland only for Kerry Dublin and Mayo get soft passages to the All Ireland Series.
Then that effin Bomber might just go away and and give us all a break.
Jeez can u not just debate without the hyperbol. Bomber has a point.
Humour hasn't reached Ulster yet.
Maybe it just wasn't funny.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2017, 12:46:24 AM
Humour hasn't reached Ulster yet.
All the funny people were sent to Connacht by Cromwell.
Sorry off topic - something just came back to me.
What was the story at the end of the Monaghan Carlow game? - The sky cameras where picking up handshakes and I noticed some players refusing to shake ryan wylies hand and then one lad shaking his hand but dropping a decent hard shoulder into him?
Yeah I saw that too WT4E. I presume Drew Wylie was his usual abrasive self which the Carlow lads didn't take too warmly.
BTW, "off the topic"! What topic? Not many are discussing the upcoming matches or possible fixtures :o
I'm sure it will settle down a bit when we know who's playing who.
Quote from: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
The memory of Mayo last year has to be a driving force during training in the next 3 weeks.
That can't happen again to this current squad. If it does, we'll turn into Mayo.
You could have 18 on the field against either Dublin or Kerry and would still lose, as good as you lot are, and you are outstanding, you are not on the same level as the big two, they stand alone. )
Stew, the big 2 or the big 3?
Last year Mayo drew with Dublin in the first final despite giving away two ogs.
In the 2nd match they made another mess with their keeper and give Dublin a soft goal.
Yet Mayo were very lucky to beat Tyrone by a point.
The year before Mayo also took Dublin to a replay while Dublin went on to beat Kerry by 3 points.
In 2014 Mayo took Kerry to a replay so I'm not sure if you can say Dublin and Kerry are that far ahead of Mayo. Everyone was writing them off last year as well so who's to say they won't come back this year and surprise us all again. Could be a Tyrone v Mayo final which would be great for the neutrals
Galway absolutely tanking Donegal, form lines really putting a different slant on Tyrone. Still not sure where we stand at all.
Thought crossed my mind aswell,but still think with tyrones gameplan and rigid defence,what is happening to Donegal couldn't happen to tyrone.the big question is can they're system turn over a dublin/Mayo/Kerry with said system.we'll not know the answer until semi final stage.
Galway actually turned up today, and no offence intended Rossie folk. Serious performance from the Galway lads today.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2017, 07:48:45 PM
Galway absolutely tanking Donegal, form lines really putting a different slant on Tyrone. Still not sure where we stand at all.
Insecurity is the bane of the Tyronite.
Feckit, lookit, we'll take our Ulster Championship chances! ;)
TBH Tyrone are the best team in Ulster but i think this result to Donegal today is making you lot sit up and take notice, maybe your not as far down the road as you think, maybe you are and Donegal were just pure dung.
Prob a bit of both tbh, Tyrone won't win the All Ireland but are still Ulster's best chance of doing so. If Armagh were to beat Kildare (a big if) I certainly wouldn't be quaking in my boots having to play Tyrone either and it would be some game too
The whole country bar maybe Derry will be cheering for Tyrone if they play the Dubs
I'd luv it if we were playing Armagh in Croke Park!...... Luv it!!!
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 11:53:01 PM
The whole country bar maybe Derry will be cheering for Tyrone if they play the Dubs
A lot of Armagh ones would be supporting the Dubs too I reckon.... Stew being one of them... He detests Tyrone. 😹😹😹
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Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 11:53:01 PM
The whole country bar maybe Derry will be cheering for Tyrone if they play the Dubs
A lot of Armagh ones would be supporting the Dubs too I reckon.... Stew being one of them... He detests Tyrone. 😹😹😹
It would be a bit of a choice between the DUP and the TUV.
Quote from: Gaffer on July 22, 2017, 11:53:24 PM
I'd luv it if we were playing Armagh in Croke Park!...... Luv it!!!
Nostalgia overload!
Quote from: illdecide on July 22, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
TBH Tyrone are the best team in Ulster but i think this result to Donegal today is making you lot sit up and take notice, maybe your not as far down the road as you think, maybe you are and Donegal were just pure dung.
Prob a bit of both tbh, Tyrone won't win the All Ireland but are still Ulster's best chance of doing so. If Armagh were to beat Kildare (a big if) I certainly wouldn't be quaking in my boots having to play Tyrone either and it would be some game too
Using the same logic Tyrone lost by a point to Mayo last year who went on to draw with the dubs, using that logic there's nothing between the teams. In my opinion Tyrone are heading to croke park a better more focused team than last year.
In reality form lines are difficult to work out in the championship. Donegal look like a team that had thrown the towel in after Ulster. Unbelievable how bad they were.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 22, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
TBH Tyrone are the best team in Ulster but i think this result to Donegal today is making you lot sit up and take notice, maybe your not as far down the road as you think, maybe you are and Donegal were just pure dung.
Prob a bit of both tbh, Tyrone won't win the All Ireland but are still Ulster's best chance of doing so. If Armagh were to beat Kildare (a big if) I certainly wouldn't be quaking in my boots having to play Tyrone either and it would be some game too
Using the same logic Tyrone lost by a point to Mayo last year who went on to draw with the dubs, using that logic there's nothing between the teams. In my opinion Tyrone are heading to croke park a better more focused team than last year.
In reality form lines are difficult to work out in the championship. Donegal look like a team that had thrown the towel in after Ulster. Unbelievable how bad they were.
Both Derry and Donegal were hammered in the qualifiers.
Tyrone have gone backwards without kicking a ball.
If Monaghan recover and beat chesty Down, that would put Tyrone somewhere between Carlow and nowhere.
Quote from: Main Street on July 23, 2017, 10:24:39 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 22, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
TBH Tyrone are the best team in Ulster but i think this result to Donegal today is making you lot sit up and take notice, maybe your not as far down the road as you think, maybe you are and Donegal were just pure dung.
Prob a bit of both tbh, Tyrone won't win the All Ireland but are still Ulster's best chance of doing so. If Armagh were to beat Kildare (a big if) I certainly wouldn't be quaking in my boots having to play Tyrone either and it would be some game too
Using the same logic Tyrone lost by a point to Mayo last year who went on to draw with the dubs, using that logic there's nothing between the teams. In my opinion Tyrone are heading to croke park a better more focused team than last year.
In reality form lines are difficult to work out in the championship. Donegal look like a team that had thrown the towel in after Ulster. Unbelievable how bad they were.
Both Derry and Donegal were hammered in the qualifiers.
Tyrone have gone backwards without kicking a ball.
If Monaghan recover and beat chesty Down, that would put Tyrone somewhere between Carlow and nowhere.
Derry drew with last years all Ireland finalists who took the mighty dubs to s replay. They also beat Waterford more comfortably than cork did and there was nothing between cork and Mayo yesterday. Based on that Tyrone are far superior to Mayo this year. People see what they want when trying to read form.
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Quote from: illdecide on July 22, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
TBH Tyrone are the best team in Ulster but i think this result to Donegal today is making you lot sit up and take notice, maybe your not as far down the road as you think, maybe you are and Donegal were just pure dung.
Prob a bit of both tbh, Tyrone won't win the All Ireland but are still Ulster's best chance of doing so. If Armagh were to beat Kildare (a big if) I certainly wouldn't be quaking in my boots having to play Tyrone either and it would be some game too
Using the same logic Tyrone lost by a point to Mayo last year who went on to draw with the dubs, using that logic there's nothing between the teams. In my opinion Tyrone are heading to croke park a better more focused team than last year.
In reality form lines are difficult to work out in the championship. Donegal look like a team that had thrown the towel in after Ulster. Unbelievable how bad they were.
Both Derry and Donegal were hammered in the qualifiers.
Tyrone have gone backwards without kicking a ball.
If Monaghan recover and beat chesty Down, that would put Tyrone somewhere between Carlow and nowhere.
Derry drew with last years all Ireland finalists who took the mighty dubs to s replay. They also beat Waterford more comfortably than cork did and there was nothing between cork and Mayo yesterday. Based on that Tyrone are far superior to Mayo this year. People see what they want when trying to read form.
Clutching at straws.
What are the odds for Tyrone in 2018?
I can't speak for all Armagh wans but i'll not be cheering on Dublin should they end up playing Tyrone
This is the part of the season I hate the most. Having the feel good factor of winning an Ulster title then fade away over the weeks as other teams like Mayo build momentum through the qualifiers and you become worried that we will be caught cold at the quarterfinal stage.
It feels strange this year to be in a quarterfinal as Ulster champions but to have not really been tested. Most of us think we're a lot better this year than last year because we've been putting up big scores but as we know too well, how will we fare when we come up against a team who have a much better organised defence.
Most people predicted Kildare could be our opponents weeks ago but as we saw last Saturday night Galway surprised Donegal and Cork gave Mayo a real good rattle. You would imagine Armagh will not be overawed by Kildare and Monaghan will probably fancy their chances 2nd time around with Down.
So a 4th Ulster game is very possible and I hope we learn from last year not to be thinking about the Dubs but focus on the game in hand.
Don't know how anyone could say Galway beating this year's Donegal was a surprise!!!!
At the start of Ulster this year people though Donegal could be favourites for Ulster and could do well this year but who would have thought they would disintegrate so easily?
Most thought last weekend's game was a 50-50 game but Galway wiped the floor with them. I think most would be surprised by that, no?
Might be surprised by the margin but not a surprise result.
Main question was would Galway get back on the horse after the CF.
If they did I think mosthe discerning folk expected they'd win.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2017, 01:04:05 PM
Might be surprised by the margin but not a surprise result.
Main question was would Galway get back on the horse after the CF.
If they did I think mosthe discerning folk expected they'd win.
I thought max 4 or 5 points in it, leaning Donegal. Never in a million years did i predict what happened.
Yeah it was no shock for Galway to beat Donegal, I never really fancied Donegal TBH but the shock for me was the winning margin and if anyone disagreed with that they'd be telling porkies
Quote from: Gaffer on July 22, 2017, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 11:53:01 PM
The whole country bar maybe Derry will be cheering for Tyrone if they play the Dubs
A lot of Armagh ones would be supporting the Dubs too I reckon.... Stew being one of them... He detests Tyrone. 😹😹😹
I'd actually support Tyrone if it was a QF meeting. Then I'd shout for Tyrone's opponents in the semi. Wouldn't like to see Tyrone reach a final because they might end up winning the feckin' thing! Couldn't stomach Tyrone in a final, And the AI final is a great occasion as long as those Blue hoors aren't on the hill.
If it's a Tyrone Dublin semi, that's a tricky one. I suppose I'd be hoping for Omagh Part 2. That they cut the f**k out of each other, and it's so bad that both are thrown out of the competition.
At least your honest BennyCake. I'd say if I was in Armagh's boat I'd be feeling something the same. I certainly would not want Derry winning any more but doubt I'll be lying awake worrying about that for a while yet.
I'd love a Tyrone v Mayo final this year, just for the novelty of it.
My ideal novel final (if we don't make it) would be Roscommon v Monaghan. Something new. You get fed up looking at the same aul shite.
Could it be an Armagh v Down final (Jasus did i really type that :-[)
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Quote from: Gaffer on July 22, 2017, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 22, 2017, 11:53:01 PM
The whole country bar maybe Derry will be cheering for Tyrone if they play the Dubs
A lot of Armagh ones would be supporting the Dubs too I reckon.... Stew being one of them... He detests Tyrone. 😹😹😹
I'd actually support Tyrone if it was a QF meeting. Then I'd shout for Tyrone's opponents in the semi. Wouldn't like to see Tyrone reach a final because they might end up winning the feckin' thing! Couldn't stomach Tyrone in a final, And the AI final is a great occasion as long as those Blue hoors aren't on the hill.
If it's a Tyrone Dublin semi, that's a tricky one. I suppose I'd be hoping for Omagh Part 2. That they cut the f**k out of each other, and it's so bad that both are thrown out of the competition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHs5Z0ItIco
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 25, 2017, 02:39:54 PM
At least your honest BennyCake. I'd say if I was in Armagh's boat I'd be feeling something the same. I certainly would not want Derry winning any more but doubt I'll be lying awake worrying about that for a while yet.
I'd love a Tyrone v Mayo final this year, just for the novelty of it.
Been contemplating that and I don't think I would want it. Mayo can't lose another final, they just cant. The law of averages would kick in and tyrone would suffer as a result.
Then again tyrone are overdue a win against them after championship and league in the last 12 months.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Don't know how anyone could say Galway beating this year's Donegal was a surprise!!!!
I could for 2 reasons. Firstly the formline isn't good for losing provincial finalists and secondly I thought that Donegal could get some of their league form back. I was wrong but there you go.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 23, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 22, 2017, 11:41:20 PM
TBH Tyrone are the best team in Ulster but i think this result to Donegal today is making you lot sit up and take notice, maybe your not as far down the road as you think, maybe you are and Donegal were just pure dung.
Prob a bit of both tbh, Tyrone won't win the All Ireland but are still Ulster's best chance of doing so. If Armagh were to beat Kildare (a big if) I certainly wouldn't be quaking in my boots having to play Tyrone either and it would be some game too
Using the same logic Tyrone lost by a point to Mayo last year who went on to draw with the dubs, using that logic there's nothing between the teams. In my opinion Tyrone are heading to croke park a better more focused team than last year.
In reality form lines are difficult to work out in the championship. Donegal look like a team that had thrown the towel in after Ulster. Unbelievable how bad they were.
They look like a team who threw the towel in ten minutes into the Ulster semi final
Will probably go along on Sat to watch our next opponents as I won't see them in the quarterfinal.
It would be nice to get Armagh and I think they will really put it up to Kildare in what could be a very open game of football.
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Don't know how anyone could say Galway beating this year's Donegal was a surprise!!!!
I could for 2 reasons. Firstly the formline isn't good for losing provincial finalists and secondly I thought that Donegal could get some of their league form back. I was wrong but there you go.
Donegal didn't make the final though.
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Don't know how anyone could say Galway beating this year's Donegal was a surprise!!!!
I could for 2 reasons. Firstly the formline isn't good for losing provincial finalists and secondly I thought that Donegal could get some of their league form back. I was wrong but there you go.
Donegal didn't make the final though.
Think he was referring to Galway.
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Don't know how anyone could say Galway beating this year's Donegal was a surprise!!!!
I could for 2 reasons. Firstly the formline isn't good for losing provincial finalists and secondly I thought that Donegal could get some of their league form back. I was wrong but there you go.
Donegal didn't make the final though.
Think he was referring to Galway.
Losing provincial finalists have a dreadful record in round 4
this is one of the reasons Donegal were fancied.
David Gough down to ref this one. He announced it on his Twitter page alongside a lovely big photo of himself. Some boy.
Joe Brolly first one to reply:
"Good man David, go easy on the cards."
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 28, 2017, 06:51:15 PM
David Gough down to ref this one. He announced it on his Twitter page alongside a lovely big photo of himself. Some boy.
Joe Brolly first one to reply:
"Good man David, go easy on the cards."
Hes some man for one man.
The GAA with have the euro signs in their eyes at the thought of Armagh vs Tyrone at Croke Park
Quote from: illdecide on July 25, 2017, 03:24:24 PM
Could it be an Armagh v Down final (Jasus did i really type that :-[)
Lololololol yes you did but it will never happen in our lufetime bug man.
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Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Don't know how anyone could say Galway beating this year's Donegal was a surprise!!!!
I could for 2 reasons. Firstly the formline isn't good for losing provincial finalists and secondly I thought that Donegal could get some of their league form back. I was wrong but there you go.
Donegal didn't make the final though.
Think he was referring to Galway.
Losing provincial finalists have a dreadful record in round 4
this is one of the reasons Donegal were fancied.
Sometimes it was on a 6 day turnaround as well making it even harder for the losing finalised to pick themselves up. At least now there's a 2 week break for losing teams
So when is the draw?
Usually on RTE radio1 at 8am tomorrow. Everything crossed that we get the Orangemen, it'll be deadly!
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 29, 2017, 08:43:04 PM
Usually on RTE radio1 at 8am tomorrow. Everything crossed that we get the Orangemen, it'll be deadly!
Tomorrow or Monday?
Ah feck! Yeah, it's Monday.
Strike that, they've changed the draw. Its now on rte radio1 tomorrow at 3.30pm!
draw 3.40pm tomorrow
Come on gaa shadowy draw people. Make it happen!
Dont think Tyrone will fear Armagh, this Tyrone team well on from the point they were a few years back, Monaghan on the other hand would be a much more difficult task as i feel this year could be last chance saloon for a number of their players
This is a double header with the Dubs next Saturday? Be a serious ticket rush for that one. I can't really see how demand won't exceed supply with 45k or so Dubs, 15k+ each from Armagh, Monaghan and Tyrone
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 29, 2017, 10:04:22 PM
Dont think Tyrone will fear Armagh, this Tyrone team well on from the point they were a few years back, Monaghan on the other hand would be a much more difficult task as i feel this year could be last chance saloon for a number of their players
Who are you referring to there? With the exception of Vinny and Dessie(who started on the bench) the whole squad is 30 and under. Malachy has done a good job of gradually introducing youth over the last few years as the older lads retired.
Apart from the two lads I mentioned, I don't see anyone else nearing the end. The likes of McManus and D Hughes are on the go about 10 years but I can't see them going anywhere soon.
I doubt if Armagh will fear Tyrone. Buckfast does that.
Was at those games today.
Boys those Armagh wans don't like those Down wans and vice versa.
Fair play to Armagh for getting to the quarters again. I'd say they'd love a go at us again. They bring great colour and passion to the place. Pity I'll miss it next weekend.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2017, 11:21:48 PM
Was at those games today.
Boys those Armagh wans don't like those Down wans and vice versa.
Fair play to Armagh for getting to the quarters again. I'd say they'd love a go at us again. They bring great colour and passion to the place. Pity I'll miss it next weekend.
I don't think any county to the West of Down likes them.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 29, 2017, 11:21:48 PM
Was at those games today.
Boys those Armagh wans don't like those Down wans and vice versa.
Fair play to Armagh for getting to the quarters again. I'd say they'd love a go at us again. They bring great colour and passion to the place. Pity I'll miss it next weekend.
Was there myself. 2 very good games. Fair play to Armagh. Kildare got in front in the 2nd half and i thought they'd push on but Armagh came back.
Next question is can either of them reach a semi. Armaghs problem will be that Tyrone/Dublin will stop Clarke and they wont score enough from elsewhere. I could see Monaghan troubling Tyrone but probably not Dublin
correct me if wrong but i think this is Tyrone's record in the backdoor/qualifiers since introduced in 2001:
01 lost v Derry (as Ulster Champions)
03 won v Fermanagh (as Ulster Champions)
04 lost v Mayo (through qualifiers)
05 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
07 lost v Meath (as Ulster Champions)
08 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
09 won v Kildare (as Ulster Champions)
10 lost v Dublin (as Ulster Champions)
11 lost v Dublin (through qualifiers)
13 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
15 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
16 lost v Mayo (as Ulster Champions)
won 6 and lost 6 in total.
won 6 and lost 5 under current management.
lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champions - which is extremely worrying....
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
correct me if wrong but i think this is Tyrone's record in the backdoor/qualifiers since introduced in 2001:
01 lost v Derry (as Ulster Champions)
03 won v Fermanagh (as Ulster Champions)
04 lost v Mayo (through qualifiers)
05 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
07 lost v Meath (as Ulster Champions)
08 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
09 won v Kildare (as Ulster Champions)
10 lost v Dublin (as Ulster Champions)
11 lost v Dublin (through qualifiers)
13 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
15 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
16 lost v Mayo (as Ulster Champions)
won 6 and lost 6 in total.
won 6 and lost 5 under current management.
lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champions - which is extremely worrying....
Well you beat Kildare and Fermanagh as Ulster champions, that is why Armagh arranged to play these teams this year.
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
correct me if wrong but i think this is Tyrone's record in the backdoor/qualifiers since introduced in 2001:
01 lost v Derry (as Ulster Champions)
03 won v Fermanagh (as Ulster Champions)
04 lost v Mayo (through qualifiers)
05 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
07 lost v Meath (as Ulster Champions)
08 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
09 won v Kildare (as Ulster Champions)
10 lost v Dublin (as Ulster Champions)
11 lost v Dublin (through qualifiers)
13 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
15 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
16 lost v Mayo (as Ulster Champions)
won 6 and lost 6 in total.
won 6 and lost 5 under current management.
lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champions - which is extremely worrying....
2002 lost to Sligo
2006 lost to Laos
2017 lost to ??
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 01:41:47 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
correct me if wrong but i think this is Tyrone's record in the backdoor/qualifiers since introduced in 2001:
01 lost v Derry (as Ulster Champions)
03 won v Fermanagh (as Ulster Champions)
04 lost v Mayo (through qualifiers)
05 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
07 lost v Meath (as Ulster Champions)
08 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
09 won v Kildare (as Ulster Champions)
10 lost v Dublin (as Ulster Champions)
11 lost v Dublin (through qualifiers)
13 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
15 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
16 lost v Mayo (as Ulster Champions)
won 6 and lost 6 in total.
won 6 and lost 5 under current management.
lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champions - which is extremely worrying....
2002 lost to Sligo
2006 lost to Laos
2017 lost to ??
Was that in the Asia cup?
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 01:41:47 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
correct me if wrong but i think this is Tyrone's record in the backdoor/qualifiers since introduced in 2001:
01 lost v Derry (as Ulster Champions)
03 won v Fermanagh (as Ulster Champions)
04 lost v Mayo (through qualifiers)
05 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
07 lost v Meath (as Ulster Champions)
08 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
09 won v Kildare (as Ulster Champions)
10 lost v Dublin (as Ulster Champions)
11 lost v Dublin (through qualifiers)
13 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
15 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
16 lost v Mayo (as Ulster Champions)
won 6 and lost 6 in total.
won 6 and lost 5 under current management.
lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champions - which is extremely worrying....
2002 lost to Sligo
2006 lost to Laos
2017 lost to ??
2017 - Monaghan
Quote from: StGallsGAA on July 30, 2017, 02:00:32 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 01:41:47 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
correct me if wrong but i think this is Tyrone's record in the backdoor/qualifiers since introduced in 2001:
01 lost v Derry (as Ulster Champions)
03 won v Fermanagh (as Ulster Champions)
04 lost v Mayo (through qualifiers)
05 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
07 lost v Meath (as Ulster Champions)
08 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
09 won v Kildare (as Ulster Champions)
10 lost v Dublin (as Ulster Champions)
11 lost v Dublin (through qualifiers)
13 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
15 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
16 lost v Mayo (as Ulster Champions)
won 6 and lost 6 in total.
won 6 and lost 5 under current management.
lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champions - which is extremely worrying....
2002 lost to Sligo
2006 lost to Laos
2017 lost to ??
Was that in the Asia cup?
:)
I think having lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champs is rather meaningless -- different group of players; bring on either Armagh or Monaghan, no worries there! ;)
Tyrone could play Monaghan AND Armagh at the same time and still beat them. ;D
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 01:41:47 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
correct me if wrong but i think this is Tyrone's record in the backdoor/qualifiers since introduced in 2001:
01 lost v Derry (as Ulster Champions)
03 won v Fermanagh (as Ulster Champions)
04 lost v Mayo (through qualifiers)
05 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
07 lost v Meath (as Ulster Champions)
08 won v Dublin (through qualifiers)
09 won v Kildare (as Ulster Champions)
10 lost v Dublin (as Ulster Champions)
11 lost v Dublin (through qualifiers)
13 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
15 won v Monaghan (through qualifiers)
16 lost v Mayo (as Ulster Champions)
won 6 and lost 6 in total.
won 6 and lost 5 under current management.
lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champions - which is extremely worrying....
2002 lost to Sligo
2006 lost to Laos
2017 lost to ??
Stick up Monaghan's record in quarter finals there....just for a bit of balance.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 10:43:49 AM
Stick up Monaghan's record in quarter finals there....just for a bit of balance.
Indeed, the 4th quarter-final in 5 years for the Farney Men would appear to be rather impressive... but not a single semi-final accruing... :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 10:43:49 AM
Stick up Monaghan's record in quarter finals there....just for a bit of balance.
Indeed, the 4th quarter-final in 5 years for the Farney Men would appear to be rather impressive... but not a single semi-final accruing... :)
I was invited to correct an erroneous post by a tyronite, you tyronies just can't handle the truth. Just the same typical childish immature whataboutery responses you get on a thread where tyronites lurk in numbers.
What passes for humour in Tyrone? whataboutery.
Whataboutery is the one size fits all reaction.
;D
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 10:43:49 AM
Stick up Monaghan's record in quarter finals there....just for a bit of balance.
Indeed, the 4th quarter-final in 5 years for the Farney Men would appear to be rather impressive... but not a single semi-final accruing... :)
I was invited to correct an erroneous post by a tyronite, you tyronies just can't handle the truth. Just the same typical childish immature whataboutery responses you get on a thread where tyronites lurk in numbers.
What passes for humour in Tyrone? whataboutery.
Whataboutery is the one size fits all reaction.
;D
Suck it up Farney Boy and just accept it: your recent quarter-final record couldn't be any worse! :P :)
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 10:43:49 AM
Stick up Monaghan's record in quarter finals there....just for a bit of balance.
Indeed, the 4th quarter-final in 5 years for the Farney Men would appear to be rather impressive... but not a single semi-final accruing... :)
I was invited to correct an erroneous post by a tyronite, you tyronies just can't handle the truth. Just the same typical childish immature whataboutery responses you get on a thread where tyronites lurk in numbers.
What passes for humour in Tyrone? whataboutery.
Whataboutery is the one size fits all reaction.
;D
That smiley face doesn't hide the anguish you must be feeling inside. Another quarter final defeat would be crushing. Monaghan turning into a low grade Mayo.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 10:12:49 AM
I think having lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champs is rather meaningless -- different group of players; bring on either Armagh or Monaghan, no worries there! ;)
but you would have to question the mental preparation going into those previous 1/4 finals. if Tyrone are complacent/lethargic like in 2007, 2010 and 2016 then forget about beating either Monaghan or Armagh.
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 10:12:49 AM
I think having lost 4 out of 6 as Ulster Champs is rather meaningless -- different group of players; bring on either Armagh or Monaghan, no worries there! ;)
but you would have to question the mental preparation going into those previous 1/4 finals. if Tyrone are complacent/lethargic like in 2007, 2010 and 2016 then forget about beating either Monaghan or Armagh.
I think this current crop of players are still hurting after that shambles against Mayo in 2016, so no concerns with complacency, lethargy, etc.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 10:43:49 AM
Stick up Monaghan's record in quarter finals there....just for a bit of balance.
Indeed, the 4th quarter-final in 5 years for the Farney Men would appear to be rather impressive... but not a single semi-final accruing... :)
I was invited to correct an erroneous post by a tyronite, you tyronies just can't handle the truth. Just the same typical childish immature whataboutery responses you get on a thread where tyronites lurk in numbers.
What passes for humour in Tyrone? whataboutery.
Whataboutery is the one size fits all reaction.
;D
Suck it up Farney Boy and just accept it: your recent quarter-final record couldn't be any worse! :P :)
What is there to accept you whataboutery morons??
Suck up what? your endless childish whataboutery responses?
Answer a question in a thread about Tyrone's record and then a deluge of "whatabout yew?"
This is the GAA board, not just a hovel for bleating insecure tyrone inbreds.
Go grip on a rosary bead or whatever it's called ;D
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 12:21:50 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 10:43:49 AM
Stick up Monaghan's record in quarter finals there....just for a bit of balance.
Indeed, the 4th quarter-final in 5 years for the Farney Men would appear to be rather impressive... but not a single semi-final accruing... :)
I was invited to correct an erroneous post by a tyronite, you tyronies just can't handle the truth. Just the same typical childish immature whataboutery responses you get on a thread where tyronites lurk in numbers.
What passes for humour in Tyrone? whataboutery.
Whataboutery is the one size fits all reaction.
;D
Suck it up Farney Boy and just accept it: your recent quarter-final record couldn't be any worse! :P :)
What is there to accept you whataboutery morons??
Suck up what? your endless childish whataboutery responses?
Answer a question in a thread about Tyrone's record and then a deluge of "whatabout yew?"
This is the GAA board, not just a hovel for bleating insecure tyrone inbreds.
Go grip on a rosary bead or whatever it's called ;D
Oh how it hurts, it hurts!... :D
You're some craic, MS.
QuoteThis is the GAA board, not just a hovel for bleating insecure tyrone inbreds.
You're introduction to this threar was "2017 lost to ??" Hardly the debating technique of the century. Perhaps you can explain your thoughts for the QF? What's the Monaghan angle? Where do you see Monaghan beating Tyrone if the draw pits us together?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2017, 12:45:42 PM
You're some craic, MS.
QuoteThis is the GAA board, not just a hovel for bleating insecure tyrone inbreds.
You're introduction to this threar was "2017 lost to ??" Hardly the debating technique of the century. Perhaps you can explain your thoughts for the QF? What's the Monaghan angle? Where do you see Monaghan beating Tyrone if the draw pits us together?
Tyrone V Armagh is on the cards, if that happens it will be some game.
MS would seem to be having some class of mental meltdown at the very thought of meeting ourselves, so perhaps some sympathy for the afflicted might be in order... though feck that! ;D
Quote from: stew on July 30, 2017, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2017, 12:45:42 PM
You're some craic, MS.
QuoteThis is the GAA board, not just a hovel for bleating insecure tyrone inbreds.
You're introduction to this threar was "2017 lost to ??" Hardly the debating technique of the century. Perhaps you can explain your thoughts for the QF? What's the Monaghan angle? Where do you see Monaghan beating Tyrone if the draw pits us together?
Tyrone V Armagh is on the cards, if that happens it will be some game.
May the gods make it happen, Stew! The Armagh chants going round Croke park sent my nostalgia meter off the charts. It would be some craic!
Quote from: stew on July 30, 2017, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 30, 2017, 12:45:42 PM
You're some craic, MS.
QuoteThis is the GAA board, not just a hovel for bleating insecure tyrone inbreds.
You're introduction to this threar was "2017 lost to ??" Hardly the debating technique of the century. Perhaps you can explain your thoughts for the QF? What's the Monaghan angle? Where do you see Monaghan beating Tyrone if the draw pits us together?
Tyrone V Armagh is on the cards, if that happens it will be some game.
For a while aye!
Draw coming up now. Such a balls to have this on RTE radio1 during the two games on fecking RTE tv!!! Why not after or before the coverage started.
Tyrone v Armagh it is, bring it on!
Tyrone v Armagh YEEEEHAAAAAH!!
Good stuff! MS can now relax ;)
Dream draw for Armagh. Nothing to lose. All to gain.
Tyrone have no business talking of all Ireland ambitions if they can't put away a Div 3 team.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 30, 2017, 03:52:48 PM
Dream draw for Armagh. Nothing to lose. All to gain.
Tyrone have no business talking of all Ireland ambitions if they can't put away a Div 3 team.
Correct...All the pressure is on Tyrone who i believe got a really handy Ulster without being tested...Armagh have now serious momentium and should give Tyrone their fill of it, Tyrone will rightly be favourites but should be a close game.
Can't wait for it...C'mon Armagh
Tyrone 2/9
Armagh 4/1 on PP
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 03:52:26 PM
Good stuff! MS can now relax ;)
They could give the Dubs a decent game. Didn't they draw with them in the league? I assume we will be on first.
Tyrone will be preparing for the all-Ireland semi they will dispose of a division 3 team with ease, might be a good opportunity to give their bench a run out in Croker.
Tyrone 4pm
Dublin 6pm
Will be close to a sell out.
Armagh have been tested. Tyrone have not. Loads of needle.
Should be a cracker.
Is this the same Armagh team which Down beat and Tyrone then proceeded to hammer, can only see one winner, but in saying that the Tyrone posters on here are very cocky
Armagh have done well against teams who allow them to play as in the Tipp and Kildare games. Tyrone will play the blanket defence as they do best and smother the Armagh attacks. That is the challenge Armagh have to overcome. Tyrone hot favourites but from an Armagh perspective, bring it on, could be some game!
All this talk of an easy ulster is mute, as with Dublin you can only beat whats in front of you. With respect to Armagh, Tyrone should win this game in the manner of the derry/donegal/down games. McGeeney and Armagh will try and bring it down to their level and will not want it to be an open game like last nights against kildare as Tyrone would have too much for them
Will be just like the old days with the colours and pomp in Croke. But that, alas, will be the extent of it, unfortunately for Armagh. ;)
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
Armagh have been tested. Tyrone have not. Loads of needle.
Should be a cracker.
And they have been found wanting! Down!
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
All this talk of an easy ulster is mute, as with Dublin you can only beat whats in front of you. With respect to Armagh, Tyrone should win this game in the manner of the derry/donegal/down games. McGeeney and Armagh will try and bring it down to their level and will not want it to be an open game like last nights against kildare as Tyrone would have too much for them
You know much about football kid?
You Tyrone men are too cocky and think you've only to turn up to beat Armagh, fortunately for you your manager knows more than the keyboard men and he'll know he'll have to do his homework to beat an improving Armagh team...bring it on.
Just hope the Ref doesn't spoil this game by sending a few men off, would be a pity.
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
Armagh have been tested. Tyrone have not. Loads of needle.
Should be a cracker.
And they have been found wanting! Down!
And Tyrone is the finished product - as you say they should hammer Armagh - hopefully the margins isn't double figures!
Quote from: illdecide on July 30, 2017, 04:21:54 PM
You Tyrone men are too cocky and think you've only to turn up to beat Armagh, fortunately for you your manager knows more than the keyboard men and he'll know he'll have to do his homework to beat an improving Armagh team...bring it on.
Just hope the Ref doesn't spoil this game by sending a few men off, would be a pity.
I don't know you couldn't send some of them Tyrone ones off enough!
Some fair Tyrone posters on here. This is bonus territory for us. Hope we give it a good rattle and give a good account of ourselves
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
Armagh have been tested. Tyrone have not. Loads of needle.
Should be a cracker.
And they have been found wanting! Down!
You can learn more from a narrow defeat than a facile victory.
Tyrone should win this well, but perhaps we can cause them some doubt along the way.
Amazed at the cockiness of the Armagh ones on here. Tyrone have played no-one, not been tested, easy Ulster....blah blah blah.
If Ulster was so easy - why didn't Armagh throw a shape at it then?
Armagh got beat by Down, squeaked by Div 4 Westmeath, just about handled Div 3 Tipp (who's main forward could barely run) and won yesterday by a deflected goal with the advantage of several soft refereeing decisions and Kildare hitting the post twice.
Yes they have improved, yes they seem to be playing better football and yes the old DNA will prob kick in and give them an extra 10%, but they should be careful of getting carried away.
Tyrone are not a bad side y'know......
Will the family tickets be available for this do yis think? They've a tendency to disappear when there's a whiff of a full house.
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Tyrone have never used such a tactic ::)
Quote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
Will the family tickets be available for this do yis think? They've a tendency to disappear when there's a whiff of a full house.
tickets of any sort will be hard enough to find. The Ulster counties could bring 40,000 and the Dubs will easily provide the rest. The double bill isn't ideal in this case.
Quote from: Solo_run on July 30, 2017, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Tyrone have never used such a tactic ::)
Armagh the masters of it. 2005 was a sublime execution of the art
Quote from: punt kick on July 30, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
All this talk of an easy ulster is mute, as with Dublin you can only beat whats in front of you. With respect to Armagh, Tyrone should win this game in the manner of the derry/donegal/down games. McGeeney and Armagh will try and bring it down to their level and will not want it to be an open game like last nights against kildare as Tyrone would have too much for them
You know much about football kid?
Firstly I'm not your kid and secondly evidently enough to give my opinion,
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
Will be just like the old days with the colours and pomp in Croke. But that, alas, will be the extent of it, unfortunately for Armagh. ;)
If the old days to you are the noughties you are showing your age kid!
Quote from: tyroneman on July 30, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on July 30, 2017, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Tyrone have never used such a tactic ::)
Armagh the masters of it. 2005 was a sublime execution of the art
Every team is at it - Tyrone are no better and are guilty of a lot worse.
Armagh have every right to be excited about this, the chances of beating Tyrone are slightly better than playing against Dublin.
Still fancy Tyrone to win but anything can happen in such games.
Quote from: punt kick on July 30, 2017, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
Will be just like the old days with the colours and pomp in Croke. But that, alas, will be the extent of it, unfortunately for Armagh. ;)
If the old days to you are the noughties you are showing your age kid!
Ah here, just an oul bit of nostalgia, to reignite those glories of yesteryear ;)
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: punt kick on July 30, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
All this talk of an easy ulster is mute, as with Dublin you can only beat whats in front of you. With respect to Armagh, Tyrone should win this game in the manner of the derry/donegal/down games. McGeeney and Armagh will try and bring it down to their level and will not want it to be an open game like last nights against kildare as Tyrone would have too much for them
You know much about football kid?
Firstly I'm not your kid and secondly evidently enough to give my opinion,
Fair play, Armagh are unlike your posts, they are improving with every game whilst your posts and the punctuation nightmare they are having are not. In saying that Tyrone should walk this. ;)
What would constitute success for Tyrone this year? Getting to a semi? Getting to the final ?
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Or will Tyrone dive and get players sent off, better to play against 14 then 15!
Quote from: punt kick on July 30, 2017, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:45:34 PM
Quote from: punt kick on July 30, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
All this talk of an easy ulster is mute, as with Dublin you can only beat whats in front of you. With respect to Armagh, Tyrone should win this game in the manner of the derry/donegal/down games. McGeeney and Armagh will try and bring it down to their level and will not want it to be an open game like last nights against kildare as Tyrone would have too much for them
You know much about football kid?
Firstly I'm not your kid and secondly evidently enough to give my opinion,
Fair play, Armagh are unlike your posts, they are improving with every game whilst your posts and the punctuation nightmare they are having are not. In saying that Tyrone should walk this. ;)
The old faithful of the WUM, grammar correction.
Quote from: tyroneman on July 30, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on July 30, 2017, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Tyrone have never used such a tactic ::)
Armagh the masters of it. 2005 was a sublime execution of the art
We still have McKeever, will baldy Canavan be coming on for a brief appearance.
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
What would constitute success for Tyrone this year? Getting to a semi? Getting to the final ?
Let's just say that our expectations just might exceed your own, a bhuachaill. ;)
Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on July 30, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on July 30, 2017, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Tyrone have never used such a tactic ::)
Armagh the masters of it. 2005 was a sublime execution of the art
We still have McKeever, will baldy Canavan be coming on for a brief appearance.
McKeever has a fine head of hair himself
Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2017, 05:18:51 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on July 30, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on July 30, 2017, 04:37:15 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 30, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Aughafad on July 30, 2017, 04:15:39 PM
Armagh will try and bring it down to their level
Wonder if Armagh will start a melee again and try and get Mattie Donnelly yellow carded early on....
Tyrone have never used such a tactic ::)
Armagh the masters of it. 2005 was a sublime execution of the art
We still have McKeever, will baldy Canavan be coming on for a brief appearance.
He'd still be good enough to tear the Buckfast boys a new one
RTE radio were saying earlier Armagh are the first Div 3 team to ever make an All Ireland Quarter Final. That couldn't be right could it?
Should add they caveated it with first team to start and end the year in Div 3
Quote from: David McKeown on July 30, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
RTE radio were saying earlier Armagh are the first Div 3 team to ever make an All Ireland Quarter Final. That couldn't be right could it?
Don't think so.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 30, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
RTE radio were saying earlier Armagh are the first Div 3 team to ever make an All Ireland Quarter Final. That couldn't be right could it?
Tipp made a semi last year. Cavan might have done it in 2013 too.
Tipp last year?
Though were they relegated from 2?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 30, 2017, 05:31:58 PM
RTE radio were saying earlier Armagh are the first Div 3 team to ever make an All Ireland Quarter Final. That couldn't be right could it?
Tipperary last year
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
Tipp last year?
Though were they relegated from 2?
Yeah were Tipp not Div 2 and got relegated?
Quote from: David McKeown on July 30, 2017, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 30, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
Tipp last year?
Though were they relegated from 2?
Yeah were Tipp not Div 2 and got relegated?
No. Armagh were relegated with Laois
Fair enough great fact checking from RTE who praised Armagh for making history.
No false modesty Armagh buachaillí, but hoping for a keen contest ;)
Will there be 2 threads? One for trash talk and one for the build up to the game?
Quote from: mcklatchee on July 30, 2017, 06:06:12 PM
Will there be 2 threads? One for trash talk and one for the build up to the game?
Since when have you Armagh folk become all high, mighty, and precious?
New breed of Throne Gobshites since the noughties, no respect. Billy Bats wouldn't like it.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
New breed of Throne Gobshites since the noughties, no respect. Billy Bats wouldn't like it.
FFS, you lot are in danger of becoming totally insufferable with your sanctimony -- a clever plan? ;)
Heard chat that the Rossie game might be Saturday
And the Dublin game moved to Monday
No naka, the Mayo-Ros replay is on Monday next.
Quote from: David McKeown on July 30, 2017, 05:55:27 PM
Fair enough great fact checking from RTE who praised Armagh for making history.
Maybe they meant Armagh were the first division 3 team to come through each qualifier round to make a quarter final?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on July 30, 2017, 06:06:12 PM
Will there be 2 threads? One for trash talk and one for the build up to the game?
Since when have you Armagh folk become all high, mighty, and precious?
It's not high and mighty to be fed up with trash talk. Don't recall Joe Jordan, Pat Darcy or Seamus Horisk involved in trash talk. Were they high and mighty?
If there's one Armagh man I'm delighted for its Mc Geeney. That man has taken dogs abuse by Armagh supporters and others for the last couple of years. Instead of backing him and his efforts they really tried to pick away. Now I'm sure he has a smile for them all but deep down he must think what a bundle of two faced eejits follow the county. As a Tyrone man Here's to a good game and congrats to Armagh on their success to date.
Quote from: naka on July 30, 2017, 06:53:00 PM
Heard chat that the Rossie game might be Saturday
And the Dublin game moved to Monday
It would make sense saying as for Armagh fans playing Tyrone in Croker it will be a first in a generation AIQF experience. They'll be emptying the orchard in typical fashion in another forlorn hope of beating the Red Hand when it matters.
Fellow Tyrone fans - 6pm this Saturday will be the only chance this year you'll get to shout - "Now F**k off back home you Orange b*stards!!" without getting accused of sectarianism! ;D ;D
Quote from: mcklatchee on July 30, 2017, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 30, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on July 30, 2017, 06:06:12 PM
Will there be 2 threads? One for trash talk and one for the build up to the game?
Since when have you Armagh folk become all high, mighty, and precious?
It's not high and mighty to be fed up with trash talk. Don't recall Joe Jordan, Pat Darcy or Seamus Horisk involved in trash talk. Were they high and mighty?
WTF? Seriously!
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
The idea that the two options are trash talk or being "high and mighty" or "precious" is just plain drivel. In the grown up world that is
Can't wait til next week
Hopefully murnin and mc Kay are fit
I genuinely think we will take Tyrone
And that will have been a brilliant season
Limited number of tickets tomorrow on sale online. Expect those to go in a flash.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2017, 07:56:09 PM
Limited number of tickets tomorrow on sale online. Expect those to go in a flash.
Any idea what time?
12 long years patiently waiting for another Croke Park showdown to right the injustice of 05 when Russell,in an attempt to curry favour with Tyrone for 1995,awarded Tyrone a match winning easy free.
This match is winnable,imagine the karma of sending Harte and Cavanagh into retirement prematurely
Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
12 long years patiently waiting to right the injustice of 05 when Russell,in an attempt to curry favour with Tyrone for 1995,awarded Tyrone a match winning easy free.
It was far from an easy free but Canavan scoring it was justice for the 05 Ulster final replay shambles.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 30, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2017, 07:56:09 PM
Limited number of tickets tomorrow on sale online. Expect those to go in a flash.
Any idea what time?
9:58 AM.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2017, 07:56:09 PM
Limited number of tickets tomorrow on sale online. Expect those to go in a flash.
Limited? How many?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
Fair play BennyH...I love the banter with Tyrone wans but when it all comes down to it there is genuine mutial respect between both Counties (real Football men), I have a lot of time for MH and have been in his company before and is a gentleman TBH (Couldn't believe Tyronies were calling for his head...the man's a genuis). My honest opinion is Tyrone are a level above Armagh but that's not to say we can't win...of course we can but we'd have to play at our best to do so and hope we carry a bit of luck along the way.
Anyway get your cars filled with the Red and get your checkered shirts on with Nathan Carter playing and the right elbow hanging out the window and we'll meet u in Dublin for a pint (of Buckfast) :P :)
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
If we hadn't won it in 2002, would Tyrone have won it in the subsequent years?
I think Tyrone would still have won AI's. That team had won at underage and there was a great group of players coming through.
Good to play Armagh in a competitive game in Croke Park again. Always good banter.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
If we hadn't won it in 2002, would Tyrone have won it in the subsequent years?
😂 Calm yourself. That group of Tyrone players would have won All Irelands in any era. Maybe Armagh just fast tracked it.
So who will pick up Jamie? McCarron?
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
If we hadn't won it in 2002, would Tyrone have won it in the subsequent years?
Behave sir!
Lovely stuff.
It's great to have Armagh back.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2017, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
If we hadn't won it in 2002, would Tyrone have won it in the subsequent years?
Behave sir!
It's alright to be arrogant in hindsight, but Donegal and Derry admitted Down's win gave them the belief. Had Down not won in 91, would Donegal or Derry followed?
A game for Cavanagh. Looking forward to this-you just never know what the outcome will be when 2 Ulster teams play. A red card could prove costly.
Tyrone also are crap at quarter-finals when Ulster Champs.
Gonna be some craic in here this week. I know Tyrone have been given a lot of praise this year, most of it justifies. Maybe some of it is undeserved tho, when you look at how Donegal capitulated against Galway. That said they are a very very good team and at least one level above us at the moment. However, I believe we can give them a good rattle. We won't beat them I reckon but hopefully we walk out of croke park next Saturday with our heads held high
Wonder what the story is with Murnin, he's pretty injury prone unfortunately and you don't recover from a hammy that quickly, with a bit of luck maybe it was an ubercramp. If he is injured I'd throw Ethan Rafferty on the edge of the square, he would be a bit of a wildcard there. I hope they keep Campbell on the bench as he's been more effective from there this year.
Whatever happens next week I just hope they play with the same fire they have been so far.
Fair play bennyharp, respect for your comments.
I think it should be a cracking game. Armagh have nothing really to lose, unlike Tyrone. If Armagh had a full deck to chose from, I'd give them a big chance but it looks like they've picked up a few injuries from yesterday - McKay and murnin. These are in a addition to those already out.
Great to see the interest this game has generated, it was the draw I was hoping for. I expect it to be strategy at the beginning and then like a boxing match become a free for all (in a good way) when a blow is landed.
Great opportunity to showcase two good teams, I hope it's hell for leather as I am really looking forward to this one.
Quote from: regal on July 31, 2017, 12:23:41 AM
Fair play bennyharp, respect for your comments.
I think it should be a cracking game. Armagh have nothing really to lose, unlike Tyrone. If Armagh had a full deck to chose from, I'd give them a big chance but it looks like they've picked up a few injuries from yesterday - McKay and murnin. These are in a addition to those already out.
Murnin will be a particular loss.
At least the Armagh supporters have a full deck!
Quote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
Wonder what the story is with Murnin, he's pretty injury prone unfortunately and you don't recover from a hammy that quickly, with a bit of luck maybe it was an ubercramp. If he is injured I'd throw Ethan Rafferty on the edge of the square, he would be a bit of a wildcard there. I hope they keep Campbell on the bench as he's been more effective from there this year.
Whatever happens next week I just hope they play with the same fire they have been so far.
Raffertys long range point on Saturday was an incredible score, we need to find a slot for him somewhere in that forward line.
We have been excellent since the Down debacle, a repeat of Saturday and it will be a long afternoon for Tyrone.
Big focus this week will be the battle between the two bros-in-law cavanagh v Vernon.
Quote from: Gaffer on July 31, 2017, 01:03:18 AM
Big focus this week will be the battle between the two bros-in-law cavanagh v Vernon.
Only Charlie and Sean are bros in law ;)
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
If we hadn't won it in 2002, would Tyrone have won it in the subsequent years?
The real question is if Tyrone hadnt won it in the subsequent years would Armagh have won more?
Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
12 long years patiently waiting for another Croke Park showdown to right the injustice of 05 when Russell,in an attempt to curry favour with Tyrone for 1995,awarded Tyrone a match winning easy free.
This match is winnable,imagine the karma of sending Harte and Cavanagh into retirement prematurely
Im still waiting to avenge that Marsden punch in 03
Quote from: stew on July 31, 2017, 01:02:31 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 30, 2017, 11:19:52 PM
Wonder what the story is with Murnin, he's pretty injury prone unfortunately and you don't recover from a hammy that quickly, with a bit of luck maybe it was an ubercramp. If he is injured I'd throw Ethan Rafferty on the edge of the square, he would be a bit of a wildcard there. I hope they keep Campbell on the bench as he's been more effective from there this year.
Whatever happens next week I just hope they play with the same fire they have been so far.
Raffertys long range point on Saturday was an incredible score, we need to find a slot for him somewhere in that forward line.
We have been excellent since the Down debacle, a repeat of Saturday and it will be a long afternoon for Tyrone.
That was an incredible score but do ypu not think he was poor when you take away the point? Took the wrong option on a number of occassions and gave away three (that i can remember) really clumsy fouls.
How many red cards will we see in this? Powers usually offer 5/6 to a red card to be shown, probably 1/100 now.
It will be an interesting watch but cant see anything but a Tyrone win. Armagh a couple years off were Tyrone are at.
Couple of red cards for both teams would suit the dubs in the semi no end. No disrespect to Monaghan
Anyone hoping for a tight game Saturday evening will be disappointed.
At times on Saturday when Kildare had numbers back Armagh looked clueless and could not penetrate. Problem was Kildare didnt get numbers back often or quick enough. The same wont happen to us. We will have numbers back.
Cant see Armagh scoring more than 10/12 points against us.
We should be able to rack up 16/18 scores given the forward talent at our disposal.
Our problem is that we are going to go into the Dublin game not tested at all
It's going to be a real clash of styles. Armagh's exciting, attacking style of play against Tyrone's old school defensive dirge. We have struggled against defensive teams all year and there's no more defensive team in the country than Tyrone.
Quote from: mackers on July 31, 2017, 09:16:53 AM
It's going to be a real clash of styles. Armagh's exciting, attacking style of play against Tyrone's old school defensive dirge. We have struggled against defensive teams all year and there's no more defensive team in the country than Tyrone.
Do you depend on Pat Spillane for your football insights?
Unlike some I'd expect this to be an open game of football. Tyrone have a cynical edge but they're a pressing team rather than an aggressive one. Armagh have a few experienced big men, but unless McKeever enters the fray, really have nobody of the sharpened elbows variety.
I'd expect a few heat of the moment rash decisions / black card furores, but not much physicality beyond that.
Armagh can win this, especially if they start well, but in likelihood they'll need Tyrone to have an off day in front of the posts for it to happen. Tyrone are so mobile in the middle third that they'll inevitably create more chances.
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
Anyone hoping for a tight game Saturday evening will be disappointed.
At times on Saturday when Kildare had numbers back Armagh looked clueless and could not penetrate. Problem was Kildare didnt get numbers back often or quick enough. The same wont happen to us. We will have numbers back.
Cant see Armagh scoring more than 10/12 points against us.
We should be able to rack up 16/18 scores given the forward talent at our disposal.
Our problem is that we are going to go into the Dublin game not tested at all
Arrogance of the highest order, not sure at this stage the Dubs would even test you. ::)
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2017, 09:37:58 AM
Armagh can win this, especially if they start well, but in likelihood they'll need Tyrone to have an off day in front of the posts for it to happen. Tyrone are so mobile in the middle third that they'll inevitably create more chances.
I think we know that it's very possible for Tyrone to have a bad day in front of posts, hasn't happened this championship season yet but always a real risk. I think we've a super defence who have limited their fouls all season and hope for that to continue.
According to the Irish Times last night, it is going to be a "hard hitting" game - not sure that's been Tyrone's style this year but it suits for people to think this is going to be an ugly game. I'm hopeful that won't be the case.
As an Armagh man I will have to be realistic, it would be a major shock if Tyrone lose this. Armagh have come on leaps and bounds and they now have a bit of a system and style which is all an Armagh fan craved this last two years. At times in league games in that period it looked like we just didn't have a plan. Tyrone are so slick at what they do that they are at least 3 years ahead of Armagh and they have great depth in their squad. They one thing I will say is that its harder to play their style in a place like Croke Park which would require incredible fitness levels. Armagh are letting the ball do the work again. One way to beat a defensive system is shoot on sight and on Saturday Armagh proved they can take a score if they have the patience to work the opening on Saturday that could be the option, few more of those monster scores from Ethan Rafferty would do they trick. Looking forward to it because I was everyone of the big games between these two and we are great rivals but I have great respect for my neighbours and hopefully Pat Spillane and colm O'Rourke are forced to talk about another classic between the two.
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
What will the ticket allocation be for this?
4 counties each getting 20k tickets or Dubs getting the majority you'd imagine?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 31, 2017, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: mackers on July 31, 2017, 09:16:53 AM
It's going to be a real clash of styles. Armagh's exciting, attacking style of play against Tyrone's old school defensive dirge. We have struggled against defensive teams all year and there's no more defensive team in the country than Tyrone.
Do you depend on Pat Spillane for your football insights?
No.
Wonder will there be any sightings of Datsun and Mazda this week?
Any Armagh Tyrone games i've seen over the past 30-40 years have never had more than a few points in them either way. Apart from the hammering we dished out in 1987. :) Tyrone represent the ultra defensive set up that we really struggle against (we couldn't break down Antrim in the league!) so it will be interesting to see if we've learnt much from earlier in the year. If we carry the ball down the middle and into Tyrone traffic then they'll pick us off and it will be manna for them. We don't have the power to run through them. Use the width of the pitch, create overlaps and take our chances for long range scores when we can. Would rather the ball's kicked wide than coughed up on the counter.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
And help pay for other sports to pay their players crazy money. Also it put struggling publicans under pressure.
19 pages. still a week to go. great stuff! footballs back! Gaaboards back!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 31, 2017, 10:16:56 AM
19 pages. still a week to go. great stuff! footballs back! Gaaboards back!
Hark back to the good old days of Bog snorkelling and tractor reversing and wrong day hotel bookings. Hardy being the grammar nazi extraordinaire and O'Neill not being sure who he is logged in under!!! Barbarous attacks and caustic replies and buckfast swillers v hobbits from the bushes. Ah the good old days!!!
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
Anyone in the country that wanted to go could easily have got a ticket for any game they wanted and watched it. If not most people have family or friends with sky so could have gone there. Beyond that could have visited a local bar had a drink and watched the game. Online links to games another option. Don't really buy into this theory of people not being able to see games. The amount of people in the country who aren't fit to leave the house, don't have Internet or can't afford sky for a few months would be limited.
Quote from: punt kick on July 31, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
Anyone hoping for a tight game Saturday evening will be disappointed.
At times on Saturday when Kildare had numbers back Armagh looked clueless and could not penetrate. Problem was Kildare didnt get numbers back often or quick enough. The same wont happen to us. We will have numbers back.
Cant see Armagh scoring more than 10/12 points against us.
We should be able to rack up 16/18 scores given the forward talent at our disposal.
Our problem is that we are going to go into the Dublin game not tested at all
Arrogance of the highest order, not sure at this stage the Dubs would even test you. ::)
How so?
We are playing a division 3 team and if we have realistic hopes of lifting Sam we will need to be winning well - this will be the same as all the games we have played to date.
It means we will meet Dublin in the semi UNTESTED
Yeah it's great to have Armagh back at the party as they've been away too long and we've not really liked having Donegal as new rivals the past 5 years.
I brought my young lad into the games on Sat night and as a young Dub (I know, I know) he hadn't a clue who to support and couldn't believe the games were actually exciting and close to call.
I couldn't quite decide myself who to support though the Down lads in front of me had me in stitches with their anti Armagh chants and waving every Kildare score.
I can detect on here a certain respect for Tyrone yet a very strong underlying belief (maybe just hope) that Armagh are capable of surprising Tyrone. A lot of posts list reasons why Armagh could cause us bother yet nearly every post ends with "Aye but Tyrone will be too strong"
BTW, Kerry yet again are in an AI semifinal "Untested"
I can't see it being a dirty game to be honest as modern day football is all about running and fitness and if a team goes a man down these days it's a huge loss. As Rois said Tyrone are a very disciplined team now who work really hard not to give away frees. Now of course we still pick up the off black card but you won't see many punches off the ball any more (unless Mattie D is riled up).
To say this Tyrone team are cynical is just a biased comment from the past.
Down tried their utmost to get a reaction from some Tyrone players but nobody took the bait.
I met a few old Armagh friends at Croker on Sat evening and even though some of their fans are hard to listen to (as are some of our own) ::) , they really do bring something extra to matches like colour, passion, noise and rivalry.
Well done to Geezer and the Armagh squad for keeping their heads and coming back from their shock defeat to Down to come through the qualifiers to get to a quarterfinal. I'd say it gives Geezer some breathing space and will keep his job. I'd say he'd "LUV IT" if he sent Tyrone and Mickey Harte packing as they did to his playing career.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
Anyone in the country that wanted to go could easily have got a ticket for any game they wanted and watched it. If not most people have family or friends with sky so could have gone there. Beyond that could have visited a local bar had a drink and watched the game. Online links to games another option. Don't really buy into this theory of people not being able to see games. The amount of people in the country who aren't fit to leave the house, don't have Internet or can't afford sky for a few months would be limited.
That's Micheal Duignan's dad you're talking about there.
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 31, 2017, 04:53:17 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 30, 2017, 07:45:26 PM
I genuinely have nothing but respect for Armagh football. They won the AI before us and made us realise we were good enough to win it too. After the 2003 final, every Armagh supporter I met was very magnanimous and gracious in defeat and congratulated us on the win. Our battles in 2005 where the defining games of that decade in my view, two of the best teams of that era at the top of their game. The semi final was just the most gut wrenchingly tense experience I think I've ever had in football. That Armagh team should have won more than 1 All Ireland and it's good to see them back playing on Croke Park in August. Having said all that, I hope we hammer the feckers next weekend and I can't wait! 😀
If we hadn't won it in 2002, would Tyrone have won it in the subsequent years?
The real question is if Tyrone hadnt won it in the subsequent years would Armagh have won more?
I think the back door cost Armagh more than you guys winning in 03
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2017, 10:49:23 AM
Yeah it's great to have Armagh back at the party as they've been away too long and we've not really liked having Donegal as new rivals the past 5 years.
I brought my young lad into the games on Sat night and as a young Dub (I know, I know) he hadn't a clue who to support and couldn't believe the games were actually exciting and close to call.
I couldn't quite decide myself who to support though the Down lads in front of me had me in stitches with their anti Armagh chants and waving every Kildare score.
I can detect on here a certain respect for Tyrone yet a very strong underlying belief (maybe just hope) that Armagh are capable of surprising Tyrone. A lot of posts list reasons why Armagh could cause us bother yet nearly every post ends with "Aye but Tyrone will be too strong"
BTW, Kerry yet again are in an AI semifinal "Untested"
I can't see it being a dirty game to be honest as modern day football is all about running and fitness and if a team goes a man down these days it's a huge loss. As Rois said Tyrone are a very disciplined team now who work really hard not to give away frees. Now of course we still pick up the off black card but you won't see many punches off the ball any more (unless Mattie D is riled up).
To say this Tyrone team are cynical is just a biased comment from the past.
Down tried their utmost to get a reaction from some Tyrone players but nobody took the bait.
I met a few old Armagh friends at Croker on Sat evening and even though some of their fans are hard to listen to (as are some of our own) ::) , they really do bring something extra to matches like colour, passion, noise and rivalry.
Well done to Geezer and the Armagh squad for keeping their heads and coming back from their shock defeat to Down to come through the qualifiers to get to a quarterfinal. I'd say it gives Geezer some breathing space and will keep his job. I'd say he'd "LUV IT" if he sent Tyrone and Mickey Harte packing as they did to his playing career.
Pretty sure Geezer didn't retire atfer that game
The draw rose the nostalgic blood in me so I fired together this wee video reminding us of our glory days...
https://youtu.be/MRKMtmY58d0
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
Anyone in the country that wanted to go could easily have got a ticket for any game they wanted and watched it. If not most people have family or friends with sky so could have gone there. Beyond that could have visited a local bar had a drink and watched the game. Online links to games another option. Don't really buy into this theory of people not being able to see games. The amount of people in the country who aren't fit to leave the house, don't have Internet or can't afford sky for a few months would be limited.
Exactly. People getting to bring children to biig games for €5 and still not happy.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 31, 2017, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
Anyone in the country that wanted to go could easily have got a ticket for any game they wanted and watched it. If not most people have family or friends with sky so could have gone there. Beyond that could have visited a local bar had a drink and watched the game. Online links to games another option. Don't really buy into this theory of people not being able to see games. The amount of people in the country who aren't fit to leave the house, don't have Internet or can't afford sky for a few months would be limited.
Exactly. People getting to bring children to biig games for €5 and still not happy.
exactly my hole. The games should be free to air on this island.
Your queue number: 11305
Number of users in queue ahead of you: 7753
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Quote from: Dire Ear on July 31, 2017, 11:05:16 AM
Your queue number: 11305
Number of users in queue ahead of you: 7753
Expected arrival time on the website: more than an hour
I was 984 bought 2, then my brother rang me - used the same session to buy another 6.
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: punt kick on July 31, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
Anyone hoping for a tight game Saturday evening will be disappointed.
At times on Saturday when Kildare had numbers back Armagh looked clueless and could not penetrate. Problem was Kildare didnt get numbers back often or quick enough. The same wont happen to us. We will have numbers back.
Cant see Armagh scoring more than 10/12 points against us.
We should be able to rack up 16/18 scores given the forward talent at our disposal.
Our problem is that we are going to go into the Dublin game not tested at all
Arrogance of the highest order, not sure at this stage the Dubs would even test you. ::)
How so?
We are playing a division 3 team and if we have realistic hopes of lifting Sam we will need to be winning well - this will be the same as all the games we have played to date.
It means we will meet Dublin in the semi UNTESTED
So Kerry, Tyrone and Dublin all in the semi untested, by the sounds of it Kerry and Tyrone will be in the final untested!
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Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
Anyone in the country that wanted to go could easily have got a ticket for any game they wanted and watched it. If not most people have family or friends with sky so could have gone there. Beyond that could have visited a local bar had a drink and watched the game. Online links to games another option. Don't really buy into this theory of people not being able to see games. The amount of people in the country who aren't fit to leave the house, don't have Internet or can't afford sky for a few months would be limited.
Exactly. People getting to bring children to biig games for €5 and still not happy.
exactly my hole. The games should be free to air on this island.
Why?
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 31, 2017, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
Anyone in the country that wanted to go could easily have got a ticket for any game they wanted and watched it. If not most people have family or friends with sky so could have gone there. Beyond that could have visited a local bar had a drink and watched the game. Online links to games another option. Don't really buy into this theory of people not being able to see games. The amount of people in the country who aren't fit to leave the house, don't have Internet or can't afford sky for a few months would be limited.
Exactly. People getting to bring children to biig games for €5 and still not happy.
exactly my hole. The games should be free to air on this island.
31 are. As many as there have ever been?
My Liverpool tickets for the aviva will go to waste now. ;D
Quote from: punt kick on July 31, 2017, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: punt kick on July 31, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
Anyone hoping for a tight game Saturday evening will be disappointed.
At times on Saturday when Kildare had numbers back Armagh looked clueless and could not penetrate. Problem was Kildare didnt get numbers back often or quick enough. The same wont happen to us. We will have numbers back.
Cant see Armagh scoring more than 10/12 points against us.
We should be able to rack up 16/18 scores given the forward talent at our disposal.
Our problem is that we are going to go into the Dublin game not tested at all
Arrogance of the highest order, not sure at this stage the Dubs would even test you. ::)
How so?
We are playing a division 3 team and if we have realistic hopes of lifting Sam we will need to be winning well - this will be the same as all the games we have played to date.
It means we will meet Dublin in the semi UNTESTED
So Kerry, Tyrone and Dublin all in the semi untested, by the sounds of it Kerry and Tyrone will be in the final untested!
Yes such is the dominance so far this year of the 3 teams mentioned none have had a really tough test.
What was the closest any team has got to them?
After the hammering Tyrone give Armagh in the quarters and Dublin give Monaghan - none really, hope you get your tickets OK for the final.
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: punt kick on July 31, 2017, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: punt kick on July 31, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
Anyone hoping for a tight game Saturday evening will be disappointed.
At times on Saturday when Kildare had numbers back Armagh looked clueless and could not penetrate. Problem was Kildare didnt get numbers back often or quick enough. The same wont happen to us. We will have numbers back.
Cant see Armagh scoring more than 10/12 points against us.
We should be able to rack up 16/18 scores given the forward talent at our disposal.
Our problem is that we are going to go into the Dublin game not tested at all
Arrogance of the highest order, not sure at this stage the Dubs would even test you. ::)
How so?
We are playing a division 3 team and if we have realistic hopes of lifting Sam we will need to be winning well - this will be the same as all the games we have played to date.
It means we will meet Dublin in the semi UNTESTED
So Kerry, Tyrone and Dublin all in the semi untested, by the sounds of it Kerry and Tyrone will be in the final untested!
Yes such is the dominance so far this year of the 3 teams mentioned none have had a really tough test.
What was the closest any team has got to them?
Had a quick look there and low and behold it was the plucky Clare that got closest. They lost by six points in the Munster semi final. After that you've Galway getting an 8 point drubbing against Kerry yesterday.
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Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: punt kick on July 31, 2017, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
Anyone hoping for a tight game Saturday evening will be disappointed.
At times on Saturday when Kildare had numbers back Armagh looked clueless and could not penetrate. Problem was Kildare didnt get numbers back often or quick enough. The same wont happen to us. We will have numbers back.
Cant see Armagh scoring more than 10/12 points against us.
We should be able to rack up 16/18 scores given the forward talent at our disposal.
Our problem is that we are going to go into the Dublin game not tested at all
Arrogance of the highest order, not sure at this stage the Dubs would even test you. ::)
How so?
We are playing a division 3 team and if we have realistic hopes of lifting Sam we will need to be winning well - this will be the same as all the games we have played to date.
It means we will meet Dublin in the semi UNTESTED
So Kerry, Tyrone and Dublin all in the semi untested, by the sounds of it Kerry and Tyrone will be in the final untested!
Yes such is the dominance so far this year of the 3 teams mentioned none have had a really tough test.
What was the closest any team has got to them?
Had a quick look there and low and behold it was the plucky Clare that got closest. They lost by six points in the Munster semi final. After that you've Galway getting an 8 point drubbing against Kerry yesterday.
Says it all really.
And to be fair to Clare it could have been more if Kerry had kept the foot on the gas
I was saying to a few lads yesterday how so many southern teams seem to roll over when they come up against a bigger team like Galway did again yesterday v Kerry.
I think most of us expected Kerry to win but jeez would it have killed Galway to show a bit of fight and at least get stuck into them and put it up to Kerry.
At least the Rossies showed a hell of a lot more intensity and passion and weren't showing Mayo much respect. Too often teams are beaten even before the game starts and that often seems to be the case when teams come up against Kerry or the Dubs.
Armagh showed that Ulster teams don't have that problem as they got laced into Kildare from the start. Many people had talked up this Kildare team this year and said they had some great players and to be honest I was a bit worried about Tyrone being caught cold by them but alas their soft underbelly showed itself again and Armagh's hunger and belief was enough to bring them through.
Think the Down fans were very annoyed that despite them doing well this year and having beaten Armagh, their old rivals have got further than they did and have a big chance to get to an AI semifinal.
Tickets on sale at the min. Shame Dublin play after Tyrone v Armagh as there'll be a lot of empty seats since most of the Jacks will be in the pubs (until about 7pm probably).
I'm in que at the minute for tickets, it says I have a wait time of 23 minutes if anyone wants a code? Got my own tickets through the club and sorting out my brother.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
We know how tyrone will play. They are extremely disciplined and rigid in their formation. We saw however in the first half v down that they haven't made the kind of improvement from last year that some tyrone supporters seem to think. If armagh can be disciplined and keep their defensive shape for at least the first 60 minutes even if they go 3 or 4 points down then I think they have a good chance in this game. Tyrone look like a great attacking team when their opponents leave holes in the defence. Down were well set up in the first half and didn't commit too many men forward and tyrone looked clueless for a lot of the first half. If Murnin is fit I would give armagh a decent chance of winnythis game.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2017, 11:47:58 AM
Think the Down fans were very annoyed that despite them doing well this year and having beaten Armagh, their old rivals have got further than they did and have a big chance to get to an AI semifinal.
Too rights they are and there's a well known local GAA man walking up and down Hill Street in Newry this morning in his Armagh t-shirt reminding as many as possible that this is the case 😂
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
We know how tyrone will play. They are extremely disciplined and rigid in their formation. We saw however in the first half v down that they haven't made the kind of improvement from last year that some tyrone supporters seem to think. If armagh can be disciplined and keep their defensive shape for at least the first 60 minutes even if they go 3 or 4 points down then I think they have a good chance in this game. Tyrone look like a great attacking team when their opponents leave holes in the defence. Down were well set up in the first half and didn't commit too many men forward and tyrone looked clueless for a lot of the first half. If Murnin is fit I would give armagh a decent chance of winnythis game.
couldn't agree more, but we'd do well listening to Taylor's updates from Garvaghey as he helps Tyrone prepare to dish out another bad beating on some poor county.
How are tickets allocated for this? Surely each county should get the same allocation
The Dubs should not get more than anyone else. Fair enough if they buy them online
Also Dublin always get allocated the home dressing room at Croker - but that should change on Saturday as only one county pips them in alphabetical order - Ard Macha
I've a feeling a lot of the Dubs might wanna see this game, they could watch it in the pub and if Tyrone go easy enough on us and at HT we're not too many behind you could see a lot of Dubs coming in for 2nd half :P
Please Tyrone don't punish your lovely neighbours too much...We're all Gaels at the end of the day ;)
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Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
We know how tyrone will play. They are extremely disciplined and rigid in their formation. We saw however in the first half v down that they haven't made the kind of improvement from last year that some tyrone supporters seem to think. If armagh can be disciplined and keep their defensive shape for at least the first 60 minutes even if they go 3 or 4 points down then I think they have a good chance in this game. Tyrone look like a great attacking team when their opponents leave holes in the defence. Down were well set up in the first half and didn't commit too many men forward and tyrone looked clueless for a lot of the first half. If Murnin is fit I would give armagh a decent chance of winnythis game.
couldn't agree more, but we'd do well listening to Taylor's updates from Garvaghey as he helps Tyrone prepare to dish out another bad beating on some poor county.
I dont think it will be a bad beating but it will be a beating.
The Armagh keeper looks like a young gassun. What age is he?
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 31, 2017, 09:55:50 AM
Hoping for a tight competitive match. Hard to see beyond a Tyrone win though, but in sport, you never know.
Both this weekends quaters are only on Sky again by the looks of it, that's 6 big games in the last 3 weeks only available if you help swell Murdoch's coffers to watch our amateur footballers...HQ should hang their heads in shame
We know how tyrone will play. They are extremely disciplined and rigid in their formation. We saw however in the first half v down that they haven't made the kind of improvement from last year that some tyrone supporters seem to think. If armagh can be disciplined and keep their defensive shape for at least the first 60 minutes even if they go 3 or 4 points down then I think they have a good chance in this game. Tyrone look like a great attacking team when their opponents leave holes in the defence. Down were well set up in the first half and didn't commit too many men forward and tyrone looked clueless for a lot of the first half. If Murnin is fit I would give armagh a decent chance of winnythis game.
You should go back and have another look at that game. Tyrone were dominant for the first 20 minutes and but for some poor wides would have been well clear. They lost their way somewhat for 10 minutes or so but suggesting they were "clueless for a lot of the first half" is flawed analysis. They scored 0-7 in that half and but for really poor wides would have been in double figures by the break. Bad shooting kept Down in it before their mini revival rather than any great defensive work.
I think Tyrone have made progress from last year, but remain unconvinced that it will be enough to really trouble one of the top teams. A win here won't answer that question, but a defeat will tell us a lot. If Tyrone can't beat this Armagh side then they clearly aren't good enough to challenge the best. But I think they will.
Although my head is telling me a comfortable Tyrone win, my heart is saying it'll be an injury time free from big Sean Cav that wins it! 8)
Stand tickets all gone from tickets.ie only terrace available as of update at 12.06pm.
Quote from: illdecide on July 31, 2017, 12:21:28 PM
I've a feeling a lot of the Dubs might wanna see this game, they could watch it in the pub and if Tyrone go easy enough on us and at HT we're not too many behind you could see a lot of Dubs coming in for 2nd half :P
Please Tyrone don't punish your lovely neighbours too much...We're all Gaels at the end of the day ;)
No feckin way, wire it into yez. A confident Armagh is a dangerous animal and although the battles from a few years ago is making feel nostalgic, I still remember 2002, 2005 Ulster final and yes 1987, so a 5 goal thumping would finally lay the ghosts of Irvinestown to rest.
Would have preferred to draw Dublin even though we have a far better chance of competing against and beating Tyrone. Armagh will have no respect for Tyrone anyway and they are certainly no world beaters. I think geezer should pitch McKeever in from the start against Sean Cavanagh for this match, he is always able to cow him down. We had no chance of beating Dublin but we have a puchers chance against Tyrone as I believe we have a better forward line than they have. However, the reality is that they are a bit more experienced and seasoned than us and they have a finely tuned defensive system in place that make it difficult to rack up big scores against. We have absolutely nothing to lose going into this match though and if we are still in the game with 10/15 minutes left anything can happen.
I hate being that first game of a double bill in croker. It's always low key with zero atmosphere as loads of fans are happy to watch it in the pub and it affects the game I think.
There was a very poor atmosphere for the Galway game yesterday whereas the Rossies were roared on by the huge crowd for the second game.
Dublin fans haven't been showing up in their usual numbers this year so far and I would say there could be less at this game than you think. For those who will show, you don't know much about the Dubs if you think they will come in early to watch what they would call Nordern Muck
Yeah, keep focusing on big Sean. He's our main man and everything still goes through him.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
Dublin fans haven't been showing up in their usual numbers this year so far and I would say there could be less at this game than you think. For those who will show, you don't know much about the Dubs if you think they will come in early to watch what they would call Nordern Muck
Stand tickets sold out on Tickets.ie, but Hill tickets left, so the Dubs are not piling in.
The Dubs wouldn't see Monaghan as a rival, nor a major threat, in the way that they might see Kerry or Mayo.
Monaghan people will come along to see Tyrone v Armagh, so you could have decent crowd, albeit spread out.
I'd say most Tyrone and Armagh people will put differences aside and cheer for Monaghan, so at least the support won't be one sided. This won't help if the Dubs get 5 or 6 points ahead though.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 31, 2017, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
Dublin fans haven't been showing up in their usual numbers this year so far and I would say there could be less at this game than you think. For those who will show, you don't know much about the Dubs if you think they will come in early to watch what they would call Nordern Muck
Stand tickets sold out on Tickets.ie, but Hill tickets left, so the Dubs are not piling in.
The Dubs wouldn't see Monaghan as a rival, nor a major threat, in the way that they might see Kerry or Mayo.
Monaghan people will come along to see Tyrone v Armagh, so you could have decent crowd, albeit spread out.
I'd say most Tyrone and Armagh people will put differences aside and cheer for Monaghan, so at least the support won't be one sided. This won't help if the Dubs get 5 or 6 points ahead though.
Plus the Liverpool game is on in the Aviva. ;)
3 teams cheering against the Dubs, the way we like it. It shall be remembered.
A good day out all the same. . . . . . . . . .
I would like to think Armagh will have the support of those Dubs who turn up early.We beat Tyrone in Ómagh the last time we met in the Championship,and sent Big Sean home in tears.I have no doubt we can repeat this on Saturday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
I hate being that first game of a double bill in croker. It's always low key with zero atmosphere as loads of fans are happy to watch it in the pub and it affects the game I think.
There was a very poor atmosphere for the Galway game yesterday whereas the Rossies were roared on by the huge crowd for the second game.
Dublin fans haven't been showing up in their usual numbers this year so far and I would say there could be less at this game than you think. For those who will show, you don't know much about the Dubs if you think they will come in early to watch what they would call Nordern Muck
Yeah, keep focusing on big Sean. He's our main man and everything still goes through him.
Seemed to be huge queues online for tickets this morning and the allocation sold out. The dubs are more picky about the games they attend now but brought big crowds to the Leinster final and league final. I'm sure they'll show up in good numbers for a division one ulster team.
Armagh had about 15000 there on Saturday and will bring more this time. Tyrone will bring something similar. Monaghan I'm sure will bring near 10000. Throw in a few neutrals and the dubs will have a squeeze on to get their usual numbers. I'd say by time first game starts there'll be a big enough crowd in and it'll be a lot noisier than yesterday where the first two teams had little support.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 31, 2017, 01:43:37 PM
3 teams cheering against the Dubs, the way we like it. It shall be remembered.
A good day out all the same. . . . . . . . . .
I wont be cheering against the Dubs - quite the opposite.
Great team to watch when in full flow.
Monaghan on the other hand are pure trash to watch and the less said about their supporters the better
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 31, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
How are tickets allocated for this? Surely each county should get the same allocation
The Dubs should not get more than anyone else. Fair enough if they buy them online
Also Dublin always get allocated the home dressing room at Croker - but that should change on Saturday as only one county pips them in alphabetical order - Ard Macha
There is no home dressing room in Croker.
I agree, I reckon the dubs may have slept in here and won't have realised how many of us Ulster men have already snapped up the tickets. I would say Tyrone & Armagh will bring the guts of 40000 between them and if you factor Monaghan bringing 7500-10000 it won't leave the Dubs with much. I reckon there'll be 60000 in for first game...
Jeez you'd swear Armagh had absolutely trampled over Kildare the way some are going on.
They narrowly pipped a Kildare team who only had a very average performance.
Quote from: vallankumous on July 31, 2017, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 31, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
How are tickets allocated for this? Surely each county should get the same allocation
The Dubs should not get more than anyone else. Fair enough if they buy them online
Also Dublin always get allocated the home dressing room at Croker - but that should change on Saturday as only one county pips them in alphabetical order - Ard Macha
There is no home dressing room in Croker.
And its not true, another common myth to beat the Dubs with, its done on Alphabetical order, and to be honest im not sure if its done in English or Irish = B or D but in most cases the Dubs would come before other counties.
Also re tickets, don't forget the Dubs have approx. 12K season ticket holders between GAA one and Parnell park pass, does not include club allocation or bought online.
Its going to be tight.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 31, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: vallankumous on July 31, 2017, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 31, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
How are tickets allocated for this? Surely each county should get the same allocation
The Dubs should not get more than anyone else. Fair enough if they buy them online
Also Dublin always get allocated the home dressing room at Croker - but that should change on Saturday as only one county pips them in alphabetical order - Ard Macha
There is no home dressing room in Croker.
And its not true, another common myth to beat the Dubs with, its done on Alphabetical order, and to be honest im not sure if its done in English or Irish = B or D but in most cases the Dubs would come before other counties.
Also re tickets, don't forget the Dubs have approx. 12K season ticket holders between GAA one and Parnell park pass, does not include club allocation or bought online.
Its going to be tight.
It's hard not to be sceptical that the alphabet is done to favour the dubs. Like why should one county such as the dubs always get any slight advantage over another county say Tipperary because they come first in alphabet. It's not in any way even and would always favour the dubs. Surely a much fairer system would be to toss for it when fixtures announced? I can't see any issue or negatives with that.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 31, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
And its not true, another common myth to beat the Dubs with, its done on Alphabetical order, and to be honest im not sure if its done in English or Irish = B or D but in most cases the Dubs would come before other counties.
I suppose that is why the Dubs have a vested interest in Antrim failure, and there is no sign of investment in Belfast as there has been in Dublin.
The way it's been done and as far as i'm concerned it's still the case the two teams on first in a double header use the changing rooms under the Cusack Stand and the two teams on 2nd use the changing rooms under the Hogan Stand...which are normally counted as the main changing rooms.
Quote from: illdecide on July 31, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
I agree, I reckon the dubs may have slept in here and won't have realised how many of us Ulster men have already snapped up the tickets. I would say Tyrone & Armagh will bring the guts of 40000 between them and if you factor Monaghan bringing 7500-10000 it won't leave the Dubs with much. I reckon there'll be 60000 in for first game...
You'll be lucky if there's 20-25k in for the first game. Overall I would expect a crowd of 60-65k with the majority drifting in towards the end of the first game.
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 31, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
I agree, I reckon the dubs may have slept in here and won't have realised how many of us Ulster men have already snapped up the tickets. I would say Tyrone & Armagh will bring the guts of 40000 between them and if you factor Monaghan bringing 7500-10000 it won't leave the Dubs with much. I reckon there'll be 60000 in for first game...
You'll be lucky if there's 20-25k in for the first game. Overall I would expect a crowd of 60-65k with the majority drifting in towards the end of the first game.
Nat at all...
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 31, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
I agree, I reckon the dubs may have slept in here and won't have realised how many of us Ulster men have already snapped up the tickets. I would say Tyrone & Armagh will bring the guts of 40000 between them and if you factor Monaghan bringing 7500-10000 it won't leave the Dubs with much. I reckon there'll be 60000 in for first game...
You'll be lucky if there's 20-25k in for the first game. Overall I would expect a crowd of 60-65k with the majority drifting in towards the end of the first game.
You're a bit slow on the aul uptake there. All tickets are sold out at present, there may be some later in week after clubs get sorted but this will be a sell out.
edit: infact this has just popped up on GAA ticket site:
THERE ARE NO TICKETS ON GENERAL SALE HERE AND WE DO NOT EXPECT ANY MORE TO GO ON SALE AT THIS POINT.
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 31, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
I agree, I reckon the dubs may have slept in here and won't have realised how many of us Ulster men have already snapped up the tickets. I would say Tyrone & Armagh will bring the guts of 40000 between them and if you factor Monaghan bringing 7500-10000 it won't leave the Dubs with much. I reckon there'll be 60000 in for first game...
You'll be lucky if there's 20-25k in for the first game. Overall I would expect a crowd of 60-65k with the majority drifting in towards the end of the first game.
This is an analysis based on Derry support levels!! Not valid.
Lads, come on, be logical when it comes to the dressing room thing please.
I don't want to pollute the thread with this, ill bow out quietly, should be a good game.
Anyone know how many tickets went on sale this morning?
Heard there were serious queues in some shops this morning for them
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 03:25:40 PM
Anyone know how many tickets went on sale this morning?
Heard there were serious queues in some shops this morning for them
A friend was 8000 in the queue and got one of the last tickets (hill). They sold out shortly after that.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 31, 2017, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 03:25:40 PM
Anyone know how many tickets went on sale this morning?
Heard there were serious queues in some shops this morning for them
A friend was 8000 in the queue and got one of the last tickets (hill). They sold out shortly after that.
Each person bought an average of say 2/3 tickets could be 20k.
Add to that the season tickets and bring a friend option and it could be at 40/50k tickets accounts for already.
Doesnt leave many for the clubs
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 31, 2017, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 31, 2017, 03:25:40 PM
Anyone know how many tickets went on sale this morning?
Heard there were serious queues in some shops this morning for them
A friend was 8000 in the queue and got one of the last tickets (hill). They sold out shortly after that.
Each person bought an average of say 2/3 tickets could be 20k.
Add to that the season tickets and bring a friend option and it could be at 40/50k tickets accounts for already.
Doesnt leave many for the clubs
You're right there. Although I think max season tickets per county is 2500 which only Dublin and mayo actually hit. Id hazard a guess at 7-8k season tickets for saturday. Even if they all brought the max 4 friends, It's still only 30kish. And how many season ticket holders will give up golden seats to get sitting beside the Jonny come latelys up above?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 31, 2017, 03:16:21 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 31, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
I agree, I reckon the dubs may have slept in here and won't have realised how many of us Ulster men have already snapped up the tickets. I would say Tyrone & Armagh will bring the guts of 40000 between them and if you factor Monaghan bringing 7500-10000 it won't leave the Dubs with much. I reckon there'll be 60000 in for first game...
You'll be lucky if there's 20-25k in for the first game. Overall I would expect a crowd of 60-65k with the majority drifting in towards the end of the first game.
This is an analysis based on Derry support levels!! Not valid.
I hope you're right because it makes for a better atmosphere and is much better for watching on tv also. I made my prediction because it seems like the crowds are way down this year for a lot of the games on tv.
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 31, 2017, 03:16:21 PM
Quote from: lenny on July 31, 2017, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 31, 2017, 02:12:55 PM
I agree, I reckon the dubs may have slept in here and won't have realised how many of us Ulster men have already snapped up the tickets. I would say Tyrone & Armagh will bring the guts of 40000 between them and if you factor Monaghan bringing 7500-10000 it won't leave the Dubs with much. I reckon there'll be 60000 in for first game...
You'll be lucky if there's 20-25k in for the first game. Overall I would expect a crowd of 60-65k with the majority drifting in towards the end of the first game.
This is an analysis based on Derry support levels!! Not valid.
I hope you're right because it makes for a better atmosphere and is much better for watching on tv also. I made my prediction because it seems like the crowds are way down this year for a lot of the games on tv.
Other than the Ulster championship the attendances are well up this year. Hurling is way up with the run of Wexford and cork. In football qualifier attendances up too. Look at weekend past, the round 4 qualifier games attracted near 40000, previously they'd have got around 25000. The quarter final games involving Connaught and Munster teams usually struggles to break 25-30000, there was 66000 there yesterday. Leinster and Munster football finals well up on previous years too.
The Armagh fans seem to be struggling as to what angle they want to take on this game. On the one hand they want to play up to the fact that Tyrone are big favourites one of the best teams in country and they're only a wee division 3 outfit with no chance. On the other they can't help but think Tyrone are over rated and haven't been tested and that Armagh are much better than the league suggested with a better set of forwards than Tyrone and huge momentum behind them. They're saying the former whilst struggling to hide the latter.
Tyrone are favourites, they seem to have been consistently good all year, Armagh on the other hand haven't, but are putting it together now so on paper Tyrone are big favourites.
Tyrone are playing with a swagger this season that is giving the perception they are the ones to knock Dublin of their perch, pundits are singing there plaudits to this degree to.
In championship they haven't really been tested to be fair. In a 1 point game how will they fair?
Armagh's main test was Tipperary and Kildare. Both matches could have went either way and Armagh prevailed in both. My thinking on this match from an Armagh perspective is that Tyrone could very easily go out and blitz Armagh as they have been doing in the championship so far. But if the games in the melting pot Armagh may have the mental resolve to see it through.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 04:24:42 PM
The Armagh fans seem to be struggling as to what angle they want to take on this game. On the one hand they want to play up to the fact that Tyrone are big favourites one of the best teams in country and they're only a wee division 3 outfit with no chance. On the other they can't help but think Tyrone are over rated and haven't been tested and that Armagh are much better than the league suggested with a better set of forwards than Tyrone and huge momentum behind them. They're saying the former whilst struggling to hide the latter.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Paddy Power's prices:
Tyrone 2/9
Draw 12/1
Armagh 4/1
It's not worth our while going up!
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 31, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
Paddy Power's prices:
Tyrone 2/9
Draw 12/1
Armagh 4/1
It's not worth our while going up!
Agreed
We may just give up now😉
Quote from: naka on July 31, 2017, 05:52:42 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 31, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
Paddy Power's prices:
Tyrone 2/9
Draw 12/1
Armagh 4/1
It's not worth our while going up!
Agreed
We may just give up now😉
They should lump the crowdfunding on at 4/1, if we win then we'll be well prepared for the semi, if not then we won't need it.
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 31, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
Paddy Power's prices:
Tyrone 2/9
Draw 12/1
Armagh 4/1
It's not worth our while going up!
Unbelievably Armagh were 3/1 on Betfair against Kildare last Saturday.
Shows how much value that was when we are only 4/1 to beat Tyrone
Word on the street is Tyrone have been putting in double rosary sessions since the draw yesterday. They're shitting it, lads. We have this one in the bag!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 04:24:42 PM
The Armagh fans seem to be struggling as to what angle they want to take on this game. On the one hand they want to play up to the fact that Tyrone are big favourites one of the best teams in country and they're only a wee division 3 outfit with no chance. On the other they can't help but think Tyrone are over rated and haven't been tested and that Armagh are much better than the league suggested with a better set of forwards than Tyrone and huge momentum behind them. They're saying the former whilst struggling to hide the latter.
Very true.
I think Tyrone would have preferred Kildare tbh, they could do without the derby factor as it throws a bit of the unknown into the equation.
It's not a straightforward Div 1 v Div 3 game (well hopefully not).
The favourite tag doesn't always sit well with counties but Tyrone should have huge motivation for Saturday. They'll be out to avenge a poor quarter final record as Ulster champs and in particular last years loss to Mayo. Also that loss to Armagh in 2014 when similar big favourites was a big blow to the county and lead to a lot of re building and the introduction of Peter Donnelly, Tyrone will want to avenge that defeat. Finally the Derby factor which can never be underestimated.
Hopefully we bring our shooting boots to croke park this time round. I believe if we play to our ability we'll win the game and expose a number of Armagh weaknesses. An off day with poor shooting and things could be very close though.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 31, 2017, 05:56:48 PM
Quote from: naka on July 31, 2017, 05:52:42 PM
Quote from: Sandy Hill on July 31, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
Paddy Power's prices:
Tyrone 2/9
Draw 12/1
Armagh 4/1
It's not worth our while going up!
Agreed
We may just give up now😉
They should lump the crowdfunding on at 4/1, if we win then we'll be well prepared for the semi, if not then we won't need it.
;D
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 31, 2017, 02:17:56 PM
Jeez you'd swear Armagh had absolutely trampled over Kildare the way some are going on.
They narrowly pipped a Kildare team who only had a very average performance.
No no no!
The trick is to narrowly squeeze past each team, keeping expectations low and reminding the players that every one of them has to work very very hard. There is no room on the Armagh team for passengers or prima donnas
If both teams play to their potential Tyrone will win by 4-5pts but there is something about this Armagh team that I think there is still a big scalp in them and Hopefully it's Tyronies on Sat.
Armagh are kicking the ball more and you can't run faster than you can kick a ball so if Armagh excute this right they can beat the packed defence, they are also capable of kicking long range scores which is kinda new to them. This is another way to counter the packed defence so Armagh do have the weapons to beat Tyrone but for me Tyrone's biggest asset is how quick they break out of defence when they win the ball back, for me this is where they can open us up.
I would love to see this game level on 60 mins to see a great finish...
What did Tyrone do to Down who beat Armagh in the 1st rd, same for Derry and Donegal; all playing in higher division that Armagh! Armagh have improved but will not trouble Tyrone!
Armagh remind me of Fermanagh in 2004. Playing good attacking football, comfortable on the ball and taking some great scores.
Quote from: bennydorano on July 31, 2017, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 04:24:42 PM
The Armagh fans seem to be struggling as to what angle they want to take on this game. On the one hand they want to play up to the fact that Tyrone are big favourites one of the best teams in country and they're only a wee division 3 outfit with no chance. On the other they can't help but think Tyrone are over rated and haven't been tested and that Armagh are much better than the league suggested with a better set of forwards than Tyrone and huge momentum behind them. They're saying the former whilst struggling to hide the latter.
Very true.
I think Tyrone would have preferred Kildare tbh, they could do without the derby factor as it throws a bit of the unknown into the equation.
It's not a straightforward Div 1 v Div 3 game (well hopefully not).
Yeah....;D ;D ;D...sure...
Did ye not read this thread after you won?
According to Jamie Clarke - Armagh have the best footballers in Ireland.....
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 31, 2017, 11:08:44 PM
What did Tyrone do to Down who beat Armagh in the 1st rd, same for Derry and Donegal; all playing in higher division that Armagh! Armagh have improved but will not trouble Tyrone!
Keep convincing yourself there 😉
Tyrone by a bagful again. Armagh are a division 3 team. The gap between Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone and the rest is massive. Armagh people are actually deluded if they think they have any chance.
The first 10mins should be tight but after that we will pull away.
All in all it should still be considered a good season for Armagh so dont get too despondent
Tyrone are so fabulous that I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they went ahead even before the ball is thrown in.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 01, 2017, 06:42:03 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on July 31, 2017, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 31, 2017, 04:24:42 PM
The Armagh fans seem to be struggling as to what angle they want to take on this game. On the one hand they want to play up to the fact that Tyrone are big favourites one of the best teams in country and they're only a wee division 3 outfit with no chance. On the other they can't help but think Tyrone are over rated and haven't been tested and that Armagh are much better than the league suggested with a better set of forwards than Tyrone and huge momentum behind them. They're saying the former whilst struggling to hide the latter.
Very true.
I think Tyrone would have preferred Kildare tbh, they could do without the derby factor as it throws a bit of the unknown into the equation.
It's not a straightforward Div 1 v Div 3 game (well hopefully not).
Yeah....;D ;D ;D...sure...
Did ye not read this thread after you won?
I'd suggest Benny means the actual team/management and not the supporters. Of course the supporters are going to want Armagh for the derby factor and a reminder of the good oul days.
Very unfair though to be in an All-Ireland semi untested - hopefully GAA can sort this out for next year!
Quote from: punt kick on August 01, 2017, 09:29:01 AM
Very unfair though to be in an All-Ireland semi untested - hopefully GAA can sort this out for next year!
They have.....the super 8. Keep up!
I have been impressed with Armagh in the qualifiers this year. They semed to have went back to the style of football that brought success in 2000's. Good ball into dangerous forwards will always give a team a chance to win any game. Maybe the weakness is the fact that their defence had a tendency to switch off during the league. A couple of games were lost by late scores that should have been dealt with, hence they didnt get promoted when they probably should have. They do have quality players in McParland, Clarke, Grimley etc.
However Tyrone should win this game if its approached in the right way. Speed, strength in the tackle and a bit more cuteness and experience will see them home. A better team overall and a strong bench.
It will be a tight tough affair but people seem to think that Tyrone cant do the physical stuff and will shy away when confronted. Tyrone can be as physical as the next team, the key is discipline at this stage of the year. Keep the heads, play at a high tempo and we should win. Armagh have momentum and did run Donegal close a few years ago, but Tyrone have been playng at a higher level the past couple of years and should have enough in the tank.
Also as a Tyrone man, I personally am happy to see McGeeney do well. A great player in his day and got a fair bit of stick from southern media in his time at Kildare. Its good to see how he has conducted himself in chamionship this year.
Saying all that, Tyrone by 3.
I see Mickey Harte coming out with the cute hoorism in the Irish news today. He seems to forget Forker got booked at the same time as Donnelly and managed to not get himself sent off.
Wouldn't be the first time we've been painted as the bad guys in the lead up to a Tyrone game! Mickey wouldn't be at the old mind games with the ref now would he?
A win for Tyrone is a must. They have to make progress after last year. They don't want to be another Ulster team who get stuck at the quarter final stage. For Armagh it is an adventure. You would expect Tyrone to win but if it is close it will be interesting.
Armagh have nothing to lose on Saturday, a 4/5 point loss will be seen as progress and a good basis for next year. A win will make them hard prospect for anyone to face in the semi. Its a long time since an Armagh team has brought this much enthusiasm back into the county and long may it continue. Tyrone on the other hand are the coming team, next big thing, the result will hang on there attitude. They will underestimate Armagh at their peril, though Harte is too cute for that. Heart (pun intended) says Armagh by 2, head says Tyrone by 4, I hope the heart is right.
On an aside at this stage both Tyrone and Armagh attract an element who wouldn't know their local club if it bit them and they'll be their for the swally, I hope they don't let the Counties or OWC down.
I know someone mentioned this earlier but are both of Saturdays games on Sky? Doesn't say anything on the skysports website
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 01, 2017, 10:09:27 AM
On an aside at this stage both Tyrone and Armagh attract an element who wouldn't know their local club if it bit them and they'll be their for the swally, I hope they don't let the Counties or OWC down.
With it being a sell out double header there'll be less room for the Swally brigade. Whatever tickets were available on general sale were snapped up very fast.
On a separate note, how did the club ticket requests work for the Armagh ones? Most clubs in Tyrone had to have requests in by tuesdsy/Wednesday last week. Must be a quick turnaround for the Armagh/Monaghan county boards.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 31, 2017, 11:08:44 PM
What did Tyrone do to Down who beat Armagh in the 1st rd, same for Derry and Donegal; all playing in higher division that Armagh! Armagh have improved but will not trouble Tyrone!
Don't think Down can be used as the yardstick in this instance, they folded against both Tyrone and a Monaghan team they owned in Armagh. In both cases the secret was to put a lead of 5/6 points on them and they lose heart with no one on the bench as good as on the field.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2017, 09:45:37 AM
I see Mickey Harte coming out with the cute hoorism in the Irish news today. He seems to forget Forker got booked at the same time as Donnelly and managed to not get himself sent off.
What did Harte say?
I will add my name to the list of Armagh supporters saying Tyrone should win this with a bit to spare, but obviously secretly hoping Armagh can pull off the ambush of the Summer!
In all seriousness the Tyrone players will be very confident going into this one and rightly so. They have been playing at a high level all year and have their game plan down to a t. It's difficult to see too many chinks in their armour and how Armagh could rack up enough scores to win the game. Hopefully McGeeney will come up with something to trouble the Tyrone system...accurate fast ball into the forward line seems the best way to do so, so hopefully Murnin makes it as he is a serious ball winner.
Although Tyrone have been playing at a much higher level all year and have a bit more experience, Armagh having had 4 games in 5 weeks should stand to them and hopefully we will have an edge there in terms of match sharpness. Tyrone have not been tested so far so if (and it really is a massive if), Armagh can keep with them until 50 minute I wouldn't be surprised were Armagh to go on to win it as we have been finishing games extremely strongly.
What will the likely match ups be?
Charlie / Sean
Morgan / Donnelly
Shields / Harte
Murnin / McCarron
Jamie / McNamee
Soupy / Hampsey
Hopefully it's a great occasion and the winners go on to beat Dublin in the semi-final!
I'm usually fairly level headed going in to any match as you can never tell what can happen. A day off shooting, a man sent off early, a wet day so harder to score from distance.
I was at the games on Sat night and to be honest I was expecting Kildare to be a lot better as I'd heard a lot of talk about them but to be completely honest, we've got a much easier quarterfinal draw than we did last year. I don't mean to be disrespectful to Armagh in the slightest as they have done very well to get back on the horse and arrive at this stage but as Beantown and a few others have written, Tyrone are at a totally different stage of their team development and this can be seen by how they have swatted teams aside with little fuzz sorry fuss. Many have said they've not been tested and that will be their downfall and maybe it will against a top 3 side but not against teams further down the ladder.
The game has changed so much tactically and physically. Watching teams like Tipperary, Down & Armagh is much more entertaining for most as they are prepared to kick the ball in long and risk losing possession. Whereas if you watch the top 4 teams, possession is king and they often don't let you have the ball. I was amazed on Sunday how much Roscommon just launched a big high hopeful ball into the FF line which more often than not came straight back out again.
Connaire Harrison ran Monaghan ragged the first day and he surprisingly did well again last Saturday. Tyrone totally took him out of the game and you would imagine the same will happen with Jamie Clarke this Saturday.
Saying all this however, I am really not sure if we are close enough to give the Dubs or Kerry a good game. I'd like to hope that we've progressed but it's not until you meet them and beat them than you can say for sure.
3 of the 4 provincial final losers all got beaten in round 4 of the qualifiers yet again with only Galway progresssing but it was still a great win for McGeeney and it will give Armagh a bit of belief in themselves.
Armagh gave Donegal a big scare back in 2014 when the just lost out by 1 point. Donegal went on to beat Dublin in the semi and then lost to Kerry in the final.
Maybe we should let Armagh take the Ulster reins from here on in? ;D
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 01, 2017, 10:32:37 AM
I will add my name to the list of Armagh supporters saying Tyrone should win this with a bit to spare, but obviously secretly hoping Armagh can pull off the ambush of the Summer!
In all seriousness the Tyrone players will be very confident going into this one and rightly so. They have been playing at a high level all year and have their game plan down to a t. It's difficult to see too many chinks in their armour and how Armagh could rack up enough scores to win the game. Hopefully McGeeney will come up with something to trouble the Tyrone system...accurate fast ball into the forward line seems the best way to do so, so hopefully Murnin makes it as he is a serious ball winner.
Although Tyrone have been playing at a much higher level all year and have a bit more experience, Armagh having had 4 games in 5 weeks should stand to them and hopefully we will have an edge there in terms of match sharpness. Tyrone have not been tested so far so if (and it really is a massive if), Armagh can keep with them until 50 minute I wouldn't be surprised were Armagh to go on to win it as we have been finishing games extremely strongly.
What will the likely match ups be?
Charlie / Sean
Morgan / Donnelly
Shields / Harte
Murnin / McCarron
Jamie / McNamee
Soupy / Hampsey
Hopefully it's a great occasion and the winners go on to beat Dublin in the semi-final!
Definitely wouldn't be playing Vernon on Cavanagh in this match given that he is his brother in law. I'd be putting McKeever in to mark Cavanagh for this match. McKeever is always able to handle Cavanagh and I don't think Cavanagh enjoys coming up against him.
Won't it be an unmitigated disaster for Tyrone county football if they do not put a rising Armagh team in their place?
Sean Cavanagh was quoted as saying that losing to Armagh in 2014 "one of the most sickening" of his career. I think Armagh had been relegated to div 3 that year.
It's on Sky sports arena 408.
http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/4
Fuzzman - I have the same apprehensions about meeting the Dubs. We havent been really tested since Mayo last year and if we played like that we would not be able to compete with the Dubs. Saying that I do think our balance between defence & attack is much better this season.
Going back to Saturdays game - while Armagh did finish strongly they did look shattered come the end. You have to wonder what is left in the tank for this weekend given the high intensity we are guaranteed to bring.
Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
Won't it be an unmitigated disaster for Tyrone county football if they do not put a rising Armagh team in their place?
Sean Cavanagh was quoted as saying that losing to Armagh in 2014 "one of the most sickening" of his career. I think Armagh had been relegated to div 3 that year.
He was being overly dramatic.
Yeah Main Street, Harte is threatening two weeks in Lough Derg if they lose to Armagh again.. Mugsy is glad he left the panel now I'll tell ya.
Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
Won't it be an unmitigated disaster for Tyrone county football if they do not put a rising Armagh team in their place?
Whilst perhaps not as dramatic as you suggest, the sentiments are right. This team should be peaking now.
Fuzz as usual a fair post from yourself and I find it difficult to disagree. I can't see us winning it and am hoping for a good showing From Armagh. Will this game herald the beginning of a renewed rivalry or will it be a false dawn for Armagh as in 2014. I'm hopeful of the former
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 01, 2017, 10:32:37 AM
I will add my name to the list of Armagh supporters saying Tyrone should win this with a bit to spare, but obviously secretly hoping Armagh can pull off the ambush of the Summer!
In all seriousness the Tyrone players will be very confident going into this one and rightly so. They have been playing at a high level all year and have their game plan down to a t. It's difficult to see too many chinks in their armour and how Armagh could rack up enough scores to win the game. Hopefully McGeeney will come up with something to trouble the Tyrone system...accurate fast ball into the forward line seems the best way to do so, so hopefully Murnin makes it as he is a serious ball winner.
Although Tyrone have been playing at a much higher level all year and have a bit more experience, Armagh having had 4 games in 5 weeks should stand to them and hopefully we will have an edge there in terms of match sharpness. Tyrone have not been tested so far so if (and it really is a massive if), Armagh can keep with them until 50 minute I wouldn't be surprised were Armagh to go on to win it as we have been finishing games extremely strongly.
What will the likely match ups be?
Charlie / Sean
Morgan / Donnelly
Shields / Harte
Murnin / McCarron
Jamie / McNamee
Soupy / Hampsey
Hopefully it's a great occasion and the winners go on to beat Dublin in the semi-final!
I doubt soupy will start.
Great to see my disciples bringing proper football once again, actually kicking the ball as intende by the founders of the GAA, to the followers of the puke game and a Cross' man there to drive the ball over the bar.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2017, 09:45:37 AM
I see Mickey Harte coming out with the cute hoorism in the Irish news today. He seems to forget Forker got booked at the same time as Donnelly and managed to not get himself sent off.
Predictable stuff from Mickey. How wise it is I'm not so sure.
The responses are equally obvious. We know that numerous Tyrone players are willing to dive. We know that numerous others have done so in the Tyrone jersey during Mickey's tenure. The ref will need no reminder that they are likely to do so again on Saturday.
We know that Tyrone are happy to foul cynically as they see fit. We know that they will try to rotate the fouler to avoid cards. We know that they are happy to indulge in verbals and to cross the line. Armagh don't really need to remind the referee of this or try to get inside his head because its obvious that the ref will take to the field knowing that this will be going on and the cameras will pick it up and that he will be under severe scrutiny if he fails to do anything about it.
Armagh won't be any saints but they won't be at anything on the scale that Tyrone are practiced at.
Quote from: smelmoth on August 01, 2017, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2017, 09:45:37 AM
I see Mickey Harte coming out with the cute hoorism in the Irish news today. He seems to forget Forker got booked at the same time as Donnelly and managed to not get himself sent off.
Predictable stuff from Mickey. How wise it is I'm not so sure.
The responses are equally obvious. We know that numerous Tyrone players are willing to dive. We know that numerous others have done so in the Tyrone jersey during Mickey's tenure. The ref will need no reminder that they are likely to do so again on Saturday.
We know that Tyrone are happy to foul cynically as they see fit. We know that they will try to rotate the fouler to avoid cards. We know that they are happy to indulge in verbals and to cross the line. Armagh don't really need to remind the referee of this or try to get inside his head because its obvious that the ref will take to the field knowing that this will be going on and the cameras will pick it up and that he will be under severe scrutiny if he fails to do anything about it.
Armagh won't be any saints but they won't be at anything on the scale that Tyrone are practiced at.
Ahh Jasus Smelmoth that's a bit rough, there was no call for that. Don't you know this is a new Tyrone, them days are over.
Thanks illdecide. SmellyMouth is obviously still living in the past with a bitter apples taste in his mouth from the 2004 Marsden incident where Jordan dived to get him sent off. He can't see that this Tyrone team have no cynical players or divers bar Tiernan who is very protective of his hair.
Just read that Harte interview and I think it's more directed at his own players to keep their discipline and not be getting sent off. Mattie Donnelly certainly can be hot headed and was lucky not to see red in Derry.
I wonder will Mickey make any changes for this game. Personally I'd have Declan McClure starting at MF. I wonder will he even start Sean or save him for his last ever game? :o
Personally think there's 2 spots up for grabs in the Armagh forward line, Campbell's and Grugan's (3 if Murnin is injured). I think Armagh have been playing with no fear, bar those 2 players, they over think things imo. Grugan has had a good year but I think Throne will fire him about like a rag doll tbh.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 01:09:20 PM
Thanks illdecide. SmellyMouth is obviously still living in the past with a bitter apples taste in his mouth from the 2004 Marsden incident where Jordan dived to get him sent off. He can't see that this Tyrone team have no cynical players or divers bar Tiernan who is very protective of his hair.
Just read that Harte interview and I think it's more directed at his own players to keep their discipline and not be getting sent off. Mattie Donnelly certainly can be hot headed and was lucky not to see red in Derry.
I wonder will Mickey make any changes for this game. Personally I'd have Declan McClure starting at MF. I wonder will he even start Sean or save him for his last ever game? :o
Have you conveniently ignored the biggest serial offender in the game, Sean Cavanagh.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 01, 2017, 01:12:19 PM
Personally think there's 2 spots up for grabs in the Armagh forward line, Campbell's and Grugan's (3 if Murnin is injured). I think Armagh have been playing with no fear, bar those 2 players, they over think things imo. Grugan has had a good year but I think Throne will fire him about like a rag doll tbh.
Grugan was your best forward behind Clarke on Saturday! We'd be delighted if you kept him on the bench, he's the sort of player you need to spray accurate foot passes through the blanket.
Colly Cavanagh is the best sweeper around and has the advantage of a huge fetch. Any high ball coming into the FF line will be gobbled up. Who do we think will pick up Clarke? I'd say the match ups will be:
McCarron on Clarke
McNamee on Murnin (if fit)
McCrory on Campbell
Hampsey to stick to Grugan
Rest of the defence to cover space/sweep and break up the field to crucify Armagh on the break.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2017, 01:13:57 PM
Have you conveniently ignored the biggest serial offender in the game, Sean Cavanagh.
Yes.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 01, 2017, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 01, 2017, 01:12:19 PM
Personally think there's 2 spots up for grabs in the Armagh forward line, Campbell's and Grugan's (3 if Murnin is injured). I think Armagh have been playing with no fear, bar those 2 players, they over think things imo. Grugan has had a good year but I think Throne will fire him about like a rag doll tbh.
Grugan was your best forward behind Clarke on Saturday! We'd be delighted if you kept him on the bench, he's the sort of player you need to spray accurate foot passes through the blanket.
Colly Cavanagh is the best sweeper around and has the advantage of a huge fetch. Any high ball coming into the FF line will be gobbled up. Who do we think will pick up Clarke? I'd say the match ups will be:
McCarron on Clarke
McNamee on Murnin (if fit)
McCrory on Campbell
Hampsey to stick to Grugan
Rest of the defence to cover space/sweep and break up the field to crucify Armagh on the break.
Nah. That would have been McParland. Hopefully your management team also overlook him
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2017, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 01:09:20 PM
Thanks illdecide. SmellyMouth is obviously still living in the past with a bitter apples taste in his mouth from the 2004 Marsden incident where Jordan dived to get him sent off. He can't see that this Tyrone team have no cynical players or divers bar Tiernan who is very protective of his hair.
Just read that Harte interview and I think it's more directed at his own players to keep their discipline and not be getting sent off. Mattie Donnelly certainly can be hot headed and was lucky not to see red in Derry.
I wonder will Mickey make any changes for this game. Personally I'd have Declan McClure starting at MF. I wonder will he even start Sean or save him for his last ever game? :o
Have you conveniently ignored the biggest serial offender in the game, Sean Cavanagh.
He really doesn't. He's well able to win his free but that's not the same as diving.
Funny every time you hear about Oshea or Murphy or Donaghy yiu get the old crap line about them having to get twice as much abuse to win a free. Sean has had more abuse than every one of them through his career and he never gets that excuse.
I wonder why that is.
It's because when he IS fouled he does go to ground more often than say AoShea or Star.
I feel this year more than most he's just a decoy forward to tie up the other teams best defenders
He really is, he exaggerates minimal contact to throw himself to the ground like a salmon. In fairness to Tiernan McCann he copped himself on after his embarrassing dive against Monaghan a few years ago but Cavanagh has been at this all of his career.
Just reading Mickey Hartes comments and they are laced with irony. Trying to portray his team as a pure footballing outfit in advance of the game when the charge sheet against his own side reads the length of a telepgraph pole. Comical stuff if he wasn't actually being serious.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2017, 02:03:34 PM
He really is, he exaggerates minimal contact to throw himself to the ground like a salmon. In fairness to Tiernan McCann he copped himself on after his embarrassing dive against Monaghan a few years ago but Cavanagh has been at this all of his career.
Just reading Mickey Hartes comments and they are laced with irony. Trying to portray his team as a pure footballing outfit in advance of the game when the charge sheet against his own side reads the length of a telepgraph pole. Comical stuff if he wasn't actually being serious.
Minimal contact, eg when he's being fouled he doesn't go out of his way to stay up. Why would he when he would get nothing for it. Again, maybe you don't understand the difference between that and diving but that's hardly Sean's fault.
If Sean gets fouled why would he not go down?
Show me any instance where he has went down when there has been no contact?
One of the most honest players in the game - because he goes down when contact has been made with him does not make him a serial diver ::)
Quote from: Jayop on August 01, 2017, 02:06:16 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2017, 02:03:34 PM
He really is, he exaggerates minimal contact to throw himself to the ground like a salmon. In fairness to Tiernan McCann he copped himself on after his embarrassing dive against Monaghan a few years ago but Cavanagh has been at this all of his career.
Just reading Mickey Hartes comments and they are laced with irony. Trying to portray his team as a pure footballing outfit in advance of the game when the charge sheet against his own side reads the length of a telepgraph pole. Comical stuff if he wasn't actually being serious.
Minimal contact, eg when he's being fouled he doesn't go out of his way to stay up. Why would he when he would get nothing for it. Again, maybe you don't understand the difference between that and diving but that's hardly Sean's fault.
It never seems to be Sean's fault. Just as it wasn't Sean's fault when Kevin McKernan got black carded in the Ulster final after making a meal of minimal contact.
Ahh yellowcard, I wasn't gonna bite but for the love of God who can you defend what McKernan did or say it didn't deserve a card.
The ball is away down the field, Sean is standing with his back to McKernan and doesn't even know he's there or about to get hit.
McKernan was nowhere near Sean or in his path but McKernan goes out of his way to shoulder Sean just for the hell of it or to get a reaction. Do you disagree with any of that first of all?
Are you saying by Sean falling over after getting a shoulder into his back and not expecting it, that it was Sean's reaction that made the refs mind up to black card him.
Would you describe McKernan's shoulder into Sean as cynical or was he fair game?
I am expecting you do NOT answer most of these questions but you never know
Quote from: Taylor on August 01, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
If Sean gets fouled why would he not go down?
Show me any instance where he has went down when there has been no contact?
One of the most honest players in the game - because he goes down when contact has been made with him does not make him a serial diver ::)
You are taking the piss now!!
Quote from: punt kick on August 01, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 01, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
If Sean gets fouled why would he not go down?
Show me any instance where he has went down when there has been no contact?
One of the most honest players in the game - because he goes down when contact has been made with him does not make him a serial diver ::)
You are taking the piss now!!
Ok - so show me an example where Sean has went down when there has been no contact?
Or how is he a serial diver?
Sick of this nonsense of labeling SC
Quote from: Taylor on August 01, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
If Sean gets fouled why would he not go down?
Show me any instance where he has went down when there has been no contact?
One of the most honest players in the game - because he goes down when contact has been made with him does not make him a serial diver ::)
you sound like a pundit on MoTD ffs ! In football, you can only tackle the ball. So, if we run with what you propose ie " why would he not go down?", can you imagine the spectacle the game would become?! Would be as unwatchable as modern day soccer. A touch to the arm, shoulder, back etc etc, go to ground. It's up to the ref to call the foul, not the player
Quote from: Taylor on August 01, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
If Sean gets fouled why would he not go down?
Show me any instance where he has went down when there has been no contact?
One of the most honest players in the game - because he goes down when contact has been made with him does not make him a serial diver ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d89cD7AbwxU skip to 1.16.30
The funny thing about Sean last year in a game he fell to the ground with minimal contact, yet in the dying stages of a game he managed to take three hard hits and still stayed on his feet.
i Don't blame him for dropping to the ground on he slightest of contact but what baffles me is that referees constantly fall for it.
I think it is apt to use the description used by (I think) John Aldridge - he said his wife was cleaning and she knocked the TV and Drogba fell over. Same for Sean.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 02:26:20 PM
Ahh yellowcard, I wasn't gonna bite but for the love of God who can you defend what McKernan did or say it didn't deserve a card.
The ball is away down the field, Sean is standing with his back to McKernan and doesn't even know he's there or about to get hit.
McKernan was nowhere near Sean or in his path but McKernan goes out of his way to shoulder Sean just for the hell of it or to get a reaction. Do you disagree with any of that first of all?
Are you saying by Sean falling over after getting a shoulder into his back and not expecting it, that it was Sean's reaction that made the refs mind up to black card him.
Would you describe McKernan's shoulder into Sean as cynical or was he fair game?
I am expecting you do NOT answer most of these questions but you never know
The very fact that the card was overturned tell's you all you need to know.
Quote from: Taylor on August 01, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
If Sean gets fouled why would he not go down?
Show me any instance where he has went down when there has been no contact?
One of the most honest players in the game - because he goes down when contact has been made with him does not make him a serial diver ::)
It's a contact sport. Frickin' massive difference between contact and an actual foul. Big Sean is well- built 6.2" feather.
I would say there is not another player in Ireland that takes the abuse SC takes (bar perhaps AOS).
That he has not reacted more times in his career is testament to the man
Is that your only argument yellowcard?
The black card was rescinded because it was deemed not to be "a deliberate body collision with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play will also result in a black card"
The ball was nowhere near Sean and so that's why it was deemed he did not take the player out of the movement of play.
Did you see it yellowcard? Did you think Sean made a meal out of it or shouldn't have fallen?
Quote from: Taylor on August 01, 2017, 02:54:27 PM
I would say there is not another player in Ireland that takes the abuse SC takes (bar perhaps AOS).
That he has not reacted more times in his career is testament to the man
so Cavanagh is one of the most honest players in the game and Michael Murphy is finished as a county footballer....emmm. Time you had a Kit-Kat
Quote from: JoG2 on August 01, 2017, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 01, 2017, 02:54:27 PM
I would say there is not another player in Ireland that takes the abuse SC takes (bar perhaps AOS).
That he has not reacted more times in his career is testament to the man
so Cavanagh is one of the most honest players in the game and Michael Murphy is finished as a county footballer....emmm. Time you had a Kit-Kat
Where has SC been dishonest?
MM has been flogged to death. McGuinness & Gallagher have to take responsibility for this
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Is that your only argument yellowcard?
The black card was rescinded because it was deemed not to be "a deliberate body collision with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play will also result in a black card"
The ball was nowhere near Sean and so that's why it was deemed he did not take the player out of the movement of play.
Did you see it yellowcard? Did you think Sean made a meal out of it or shouldn't have fallen?
You stated that you couldn't possibly argue that it wasn't a card but yet the disciplinary body over ruled it. I did see it and Cavanagh exaggerated contact as usual and the officials reacted to this in brandishing the black card.
There are dozens of examples of Cavanagh doing this to win free kicks over the years and that youtube clip a few posts back where Dara O'Se grazed the top of his back with his elbow is just a prime example. There are countless others if you actually had the time to go through them.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Is that your only argument yellowcard?
The black card was rescinded because it was deemed not to be "a deliberate body collision with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play will also result in a black card"
The ball was nowhere near Sean and so that's why it was deemed he did not take the player out of the movement of play.
Did you see it yellowcard? Did you think Sean made a meal out of it or shouldn't have fallen?
You stated that you couldn't possibly argue that it wasn't a card but yet the disciplinary body over ruled it. I did see it and Cavanagh exaggerated contact as usual and the officials reacted to this in brandishing the black card.
There are dozens of examples of Cavanagh doing this to win free kicks over the years and that youtube clip a few posts back where Dara O'Se grazed the top of his back with his elbow is just a prime example. There are countless others if you actually had the time to go through them.
While there are plenty of instances of Sean Cavabnagh getting 'soft' frees, using this is an example is complete nonsense.
He was shouldered in the back by a guy he didn't see coming, at a force that was more than enough to knock you over.
the fact the black card was rescinded only means that the referee didn't apply the rule correctly, not that SC dived.
Sean nearly topped the poll "what tyrone man will do the most diving in 2007"
But hey, there was stiff opposition for Sean in them days.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=1807.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=1807.0)
Thank you blewuporstuffed for being honest about that.
In fact to take the view which Yellowcard (and a few others I noted before) just shows their total bias towards the player and how they will listen to Joe Brolly bad mouth him all day long.
At the Roscommon game on Sunday, there was a player fouled in the first half and I shouted out that's a Sean Cavanagh free there for sure. The amount of lads who turned around and smiled at me was funny.
There are lots of times Sean is fouled and he could probably stay on his feet and try to ride the tackle but he goes down and wins his free as it makes the refs mind up for him NOT to play the advantage.
I can see for some people this is frustrating but there are also times when he falls the ref waves play on.
A dive is when there is no foul at all but I certainly agree big Sean will choose to go down whereras other players will try to stay on their feet. Aidan O'Shea gets an awful lot of abuse by staying on his feet.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 01, 2017, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Is that your only argument yellowcard?
The black card was rescinded because it was deemed not to be "a deliberate body collision with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play will also result in a black card"
The ball was nowhere near Sean and so that's why it was deemed he did not take the player out of the movement of play.
Did you see it yellowcard? Did you think Sean made a meal out of it or shouldn't have fallen?
You stated that you couldn't possibly argue that it wasn't a card but yet the disciplinary body over ruled it. I did see it and Cavanagh exaggerated contact as usual and the officials reacted to this in brandishing the black card.
There are dozens of examples of Cavanagh doing this to win free kicks over the years and that youtube clip a few posts back where Dara O'Se grazed the top of his back with his elbow is just a prime example. There are countless others if you actually had the time to go through them.
While there are plenty of instances of Sean Cavabnagh getting 'soft' frees, using this is an example is complete nonsense.
He was shouldered in the back by a guy he didn't see coming, at a force that was more than enough to knock you over.
the fact the black card was rescinded only means that the referee didn't apply the rule correctly, not that SC dived.
Fair enough, in isolation it mightn't be the best example, but it was the most recent. It had to be put in the context of the match though where there was a constant haranguing of the officials by Cavanagh in asking for action to be taken against opponents.
As opposed to what YC, react himself and get a card or sent off?
If you were his manager what would you be telling him to do?
Take all the off the ball stuff without saying a word and just accept it?
Man ye need to wise up and try to add some balance in your arguments otherwise people will just say you're very biased and not showing any common sense at all.
Are you saying then that it's fair enough for Sean to get man handled the whole game and for him not to retaliate nor should he report it to the referee.
What should he do. Take the ball under his arm and say I'm going home and not playing with ye boyz any more.
Anyway, I think Sean will be the least of yer worries on Saturday.
Who's down to ref it or do we know yet?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
Who's down to ref it or do we know yet?
David Gough
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 03:00:02 PM
Is that your only argument yellowcard?
The black card was rescinded because it was deemed not to be "a deliberate body collision with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play will also result in a black card"
The ball was nowhere near Sean and so that's why it was deemed he did not take the player out of the movement of play.
Did you see it yellowcard? Did you think Sean made a meal out of it or shouldn't have fallen?
I think he made a meal of it
How Tonto?
By falling over after receiving a shoulder into his back when he wasn't even watching?
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 04:33:52 PM
How Tonto?
By falling over after receiving a shoulder into his back when he wasn't even watching?
C'mon Fuzz, the old "never argue with a fool" thing applies here...just step away.
Step back FM............without logic this argument is futile
Would hate to see Sean Cavanagh in a nightclub 8)
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 04:33:52 PM
How Tonto?
By falling over after receiving a shoulder into his back when he wasn't even watching?
With the caveat of only watching on tele and not feeling the strength of the shoulder myself it looked like he made a meal of it. I try to be fair in these things and only calling it as I seen it
Not looking too good if all some Armagh buachallí can do is the scrape the Seán Cav barrel yet again... worried about this one, much? :P
Quote from: Solo_run on August 01, 2017, 05:04:40 PM
Would hate to see Sean Cavanagh in a nightclub 8)
Big Sean might indeed spend half the night lying on the dance floor. Going by Saturday he would be joined on the deck by cramp suffering Armagh players just before closing time.
Sean Cavanagh on a dance floor. Jesus he'd never be upright. Think of all that light contact that would knock him off his feet.
The Armagh boys are getting nervous as the week goes on, there'll be an emergency call out for supplies of Diazepam by Friday evening in the Orchard county!
I suppose Rois and others, I am always amazed how Armagh fans seem to think the rules are different for them. There are genuine Armagh fans out there who think what McKernan did wasn't that bad and sure it's part of the game.
Likewise, that youtube video showing Dara O'Se giving an elbow to Sean's head and they seem to think Sean over-reacted to that as well.
Why do they think those things are OK and not a foul and it's just SC overreacting.
Anyway, I suppose part of my reason for keeping it going was to show other posters how ridiculous some posters are and can't call it fair.
Anyway, I'm sure Sean will be the focus of their attentions on Sat evening leaving others like HampsHey do take a few scores. I'd say the Armagh lads will enjoy one last slap at Sean before he retires.
You would imagine with 10 mins left that McGeeney will send in the bald sorry bold McKeever to say his goodbyes to Sean.
Send on McKeever surely.
Great player for giving us easy frees in injury time when it's all square !!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
I suppose Rois and others, I am always amazed how Armagh fans seem to think the rules are different for them. There are genuine Armagh fans out there who think what McKernan did wasn't that bad and sure it's part of the game.
Likewise, that youtube video showing Dara O'Se giving an elbow to Sean's head and they seem to think Sean over-reacted to that as well.
Why do they think those things are OK and not a foul and it's just SC overreacting.
Anyway, I suppose part of my reason for keeping it going was to show other posters how ridiculous some posters are and can't call it fair.
Anyway, I'm sure Sean will be the focus of their attentions on Sat evening leaving others like HampsHey do take a few scores. I'd say the Armagh lads will enjoy one last slap at Sean before he retires.
You would imagine with 10 mins left that McGeeney will send in the bald sorry bold McKeever to say his goodbyes to Sean.
I don't think what McKernan done was fine. I do think SC overreacted is all from what i seen on tele
Quote from: BennyCake on August 01, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
Sean Cavanagh on a dance floor. Jesus he'd never be upright. Think of all that light contact that would knock him off his feet.
You boys are obsessed. Obsessed.
Quote from: Gaffer on August 01, 2017, 05:35:07 PM
Send on McKeever surely.
Great player for giving us easy frees in injury time when it's all square !!!
Ehh...did you not see the rest of them tackling on Saturday? Looks like they all went thru the McKeever Tackle School of excellence.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 01, 2017, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 01, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
Sean Cavanagh on a dance floor. Jesus he'd never be upright. Think of all that light contact that would knock him off his feet.
You boys are obsessed. Obsessed.
You boys are very touchy. Sign of nerves.
If Aidan O'Shea could go down as well as Sean Cavanagh Mayo may have won an All Ireland by now!
I honestly cannot see what Armagh have to worry about. In truth Tyrone should win handy enough. Armagh are a division 3 team. They have also have 3 tough games in 4 weeks and have injuries to key players. They are in bonus territory. Pressure will only be trying to continue the improvement next year.
If anything the reported comments from Harte suggest he is worried. It may be he doesn't want his players complacent or he just doesn't like Armagh. It may also be a cynical ploy to influence the referee.
Speaking of the referee I feel Gough - although a good referee - has a style that will suit Tyrone. He appears to favour the defenders in the group tackles Tyrone often apply. I prefer the ball carrier to be given the advantage much like Sean Hurson referees.
Finally with the notable exception of their display against Donegal I do not like the way Tyrone play. If Armagh decide to follow suit and keep everyone behind the ball - ala Donegal v Dublin - a few years ago we will have a terrible game. If Armagh try and play the way they have this year they could easily suffer a heavy defeat with Tyrone counter attacks. I hope Geezer has a plan.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
I suppose Rois and others, I am always amazed how Armagh fans seem to think the rules are different for them. There are genuine Armagh fans out there who think what McKernan did wasn't that bad and sure it's part of the game.
Likewise, that youtube video showing Dara O'Se giving an elbow to Sean's head and they seem to think Sean over-reacted to that as well.
Why do they think those things are OK and not a foul and it's just SC overreacting.
Anyway, I suppose part of my reason for keeping it going was to show other posters how ridiculous some posters are and can't call it fair.
Anyway, I'm sure Sean will be the focus of their attentions on Sat evening leaving others like HampsHey do take a few scores. I'd say the Armagh lads will enjoy one last slap at Sean before he retires.
You would imagine with 10 mins left that McGeeney will send in the bald sorry bold McKeever to say his goodbyes to Sean.
Keep yer lit Fuzz your fighting the good fight, Im enjoying you showing these haters up for what they are. Id join in myself but I havent the time
Quote from: BennyCake on August 01, 2017, 05:25:20 PM
Sean Cavanagh on a dance floor. Jesus he'd never be upright. Think of all that light contact that would knock him off his feet.
Unless of course he bumped into Francie Bellow who wouldn't want to be risking that collision again!
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
I suppose Rois and others, I am always amazed how Armagh fans seem to think the rules are different for them. There are genuine Armagh fans out there who think what McKernan did wasn't that bad and sure it's part of the game.
Likewise, that youtube video showing Dara O'Se giving an elbow to Sean's head and they seem to think Sean over-reacted to that as well.
Why do they think those things are OK and not a foul and it's just SC overreacting.
Anyway, I suppose part of my reason for keeping it going was to show other posters how ridiculous some posters are and can't call it fair.
Anyway, I'm sure Sean will be the focus of their attentions on Sat evening leaving others like HampsHey do take a few scores. I'd say the Armagh lads will enjoy one last slap at Sean before he retires.
You would imagine with 10 mins left that McGeeney will send in the bald sorry bold McKeever to say his goodbyes to Sean.
If you can't distinguish between Cavanaghs head and his back then you can't expect to call other posters ridiculous and unfair.
A great player who is at the end of his IC career, he has went down easy a few times in his career but it kinda back fired a bit as he was then targeted by oposing players and Refs but he's a big boy and can take it but lets move on it's getting boring.
Sounds like both sets of fans are getting a bit nervous and for one set of fans having to walk out of Croke Pk with a loss is just too much to bear, the thought of it is unbearable. Like i said Tyrone are favourites and knowing MH he will not under estimate Armagh, dunno why he came out with that statement...is it mind games?, is it trying to influence the Ref? or is it just to shake his own players up (or all 3). For me Tyrone are a 6pt better team than Armagh but Armagh have played in Croke Pk (last week), they have momentum, they have been in a few battles and have the sharpness in the legs. That for me is worth 3-4pts to Armagh which leaves us a couple short (F**k it, where could we steal 3 more points from).
This game has awakened the Championship and the whole of Ireland are holding their breath in anticipation for Sat, full house and hopefully a cracking game of football...C'mon Armagh!!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
I suppose Rois and others, I am always amazed how Armagh fans seem to think the rules are different for them. There are genuine Armagh fans out there who think what McKernan did wasn't that bad and sure it's part of the game.
Likewise, that youtube video showing Dara O'Se giving an elbow to Sean's head and they seem to think Sean over-reacted to that as well.
Why do they think those things are OK and not a foul and it's just SC overreacting.
Anyway, I suppose part of my reason for keeping it going was to show other posters how ridiculous some posters are and can't call it fair.
Anyway, I'm sure Sean will be the focus of their attentions on Sat evening leaving others like HampsHey do take a few scores. I'd say the Armagh lads will enjoy one last slap at Sean before he retires.
You would imagine with 10 mins left that McGeeney will send in the bald sorry bold McKeever to say his goodbyes to Sean.
There are gobshites in the fan base of every county. So no doubt there are armagh fans who think the rules are different for them. Though none of your examples actually are about armagh players or armagh fans thinking the rules are different for them.
I started the posts to show how ridiculous Harte's press interviews have been.
Anyway you're a big man for calling it fair. So you condemn diving, verbals, dropping the knee in the opponents back, grabbing the opponents balls, sticking a finger up the opponents hole (on the field of play), hitting a player from behind in the shower fracturing their skull? You are happy to condemn them all?
Micky can't have it both ways with the media. On one hand he is critical of pundits like Brolly for presenting opinions as facts with an agenda to influence refereees and public opinion against certain teams. While on the other he puts it out there that Armagh are somewhat over physical and by implication officials need to be on their toes here. A tad hypocritical? Why not just keep the head down, prepare well and get on with it this week. This is little more than trash talk. The type of talk he repeatedly tells us he doesn't like.
Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
Quote from: Armamike on August 01, 2017, 09:10:39 PM
Micky can't have it both ways with the media. On one hand he is critical of pundits like Brolly for presenting opinions as facts with an agenda to influence refereees and public opinion against certain teams. While on the other he puts it out there that Armagh are somewhat over physical and by implication officials need to be on their toes here. A tad hypocritical? Why not just keep the head down, prepare well and get on with it this week. This is little more than trash talk. The type of talk he repeatedly tells us he doesn't like.
He doesn't like someone pointing out something that might affect his team. Remember his Irish News column? It was rant after rant every week, and speaking out about things that would impact on his team.
I think it's a good idea if managers were banned from speaking prior to matches.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 01, 2017, 09:39:09 PM
Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
That's weird, is this not our 5th trip to Croker in 4 years?
Who was he interviewed by, The Irish Catholic?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on August 01, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 01, 2017, 09:39:09 PM
Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
That's weird, is this not our 5 trip to Croker in 4 years?
Sure they can't count in his part of the country
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2017, 09:53:42 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on August 01, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 01, 2017, 09:39:09 PM
Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
That's weird, is this not our 5 trip to Croker in 4 years?
Sure they can't count in his part of the country
The bigger point remains whether fans can behave themselves. I used to get the train and the loutish behaviour would do your head in. I enjoy a drink as much as the next man but have never associated going to a match with getting boozed up.
Quote from: smelmoth on August 01, 2017, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 01, 2017, 09:53:42 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on August 01, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 01, 2017, 09:39:09 PM
Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
That's weird, is this not our 5 trip to Croker in 4 years?
Sure they can't count in his part of the country
The bigger point remains whether fans can behave themselves. I used to get the train and the loutish behaviour would do your head in. I enjoy a drink as much as the next man but have never associated going to a match with getting boozed up.
Yeah - i had a complete walloper from Armagh beside me on saturday. Pissed out of her head trying to wave a flag but hitting at least 2 others each time. Asked her politely to stop waving it, got a mouthful of abuse for my troubles so i moved at halftime
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Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
That's weird, is this not our 5 trip to Croker in 4 years?
Sure they can't count in his part of the country
The bigger point remains whether fans can behave themselves. I used to get the train and the loutish behaviour would do your head in. I enjoy a drink as much as the next man but have never associated going to a match with getting boozed up.
Yeah - i had a complete walloper from Armagh beside me on saturday. Pissed out of her head trying to wave a flag but hitting at least 2 others each time. Asked her politely to stop waving it, got a mouthful of abuse for my troubles so i moved at halftime
That's why they have stewards. Usually they're fit enough to handle women.
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Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
That's weird, is this not our 5 trip to Croker in 4 years?
Sure they can't count in his part of the country
The bigger point remains whether fans can behave themselves. I used to get the train and the loutish behaviour would do your head in. I enjoy a drink as much as the next man but have never associated going to a match with getting boozed up.
Yeah - i had a complete walloper from Armagh beside me on saturday. Pissed out of her head trying to wave a flag but hitting at least 2 others each time. Asked her politely to stop waving it, got a mouthful of abuse for my troubles so i moved at halftime
That's why they have stewards. Usually they're fit enough to handle women.
I just couldn't be bothered getting in a row at the time. A lot of the monaghan/down people had left so moving wasn't an issue.
All the pressure is on Tyrone will be awful setback to their high hopes if they are knocked out at this stage of the competition for a second year in a row. Armagh can win this game, ran a better Donegal side to one point in the Quarter final three years ago but regardless of the result on Saturday reaching another Quarter final against the odds will be seen as a summer of progress for Armagh.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 01, 2017, 10:32:15 PM
All the pressure is on Tyrone will be awful setback to their high hopes if they are knocked out at this stage of the competition for a second year in a row. Armagh can win this game, ran a better Donegal side to one point in the Quarter final three years ago but regardless of the result on Saturday reaching another Quarter final against the odds will be seen as a summer of progress for Armagh.
I would have thought not winning a game you could have won would have been a bad summer.
The pressure was on Tyrone regardless of who they played tho. While it being Armagh has made it a bit more exciting for the fans, Tyrone wanted to take a Kerry/ Mayo/Dublin to justify an improvement on last year. Without a big scalp, I think most will be disappointed. The problem is I would have fancied their chances with both Mayo or Kerry (I know some will disagree bout Kerry) but don't think they are ready for Dublin. I fancy them to take Armagh but think that will be as far as they go.
Only over confidence can derail Tyrone.Philip Jordan as correct cannot see a Div 3 team reach semi-final.
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Only over confidence can derail Tyrone.Philip Jordan as correct cannot see a Div 3 team reach semi-final.
Unlike last year?
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I've missed this in recent years. Only disappointment is, illdecide seems to have gotten level headed in his twilight years.
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I've missed this in recent years. Only disappointment is, illdecide seems to have gotten level headed in his twilight years.
Easy you...I do still get a bit excited for 70 mins during the game no matter how hard i try...It's still in there just doesn't get out that much these days...Getting old Ziggo ;)
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Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
That's weird, is this not our 5th trip to Croker in 4 years?
Yer scraping the barrel of success when you go counting div 3 league games. Just behave yerselves instead of acting like loyalists on the 12th!
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Just bought my ticket for yhe special train from Belfast and will enjoy the 20 mins peace and quiet until the buckfast brigade in their orange tracksuits get on in Lurgan, still sh*t-faced from the night before for their twice twice a decade trip to Croker. Don't let the GAA down lads.
I'll have to ask the Kilwilkie lads nicely to disrupt the train service on Sat from Belfast and hopefully you won't encounter the Buckfast drinking brigade at lovely Lurgan ;D
Some crap being talked about the Kevin McKernan black card. One dynamic not mentioned at all was the only footage shown of the incident was in slow motion that makes it look more dramatic. Even in slow mo it's crazy to say Sean made a big deal of it.
I suspect Sean has a peculiar narcoleptic affliction.
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I suspect Sean has a peculiar narcoleptic affliction.
He is a bit narcey at times.
More tickets likely to go on general sale, not too many I imagine, and not well situated ones.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0801/894519-croke-park-sell-out/
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
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Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
We will leave the praying to you!!
Sure if you can't lose the run of yourself in the build up to a quarter final when can you!
Yes smelmoth, I do condemn all that stuff you mentioned. How could you not if you're a true gaa fan though I think the whole diving thing is not so black and white.
If a defender is going to break the rules and foul a man to get an advantage then the fouled player has the right to go to ground in order to win the free. Of course if there was no foul at all then this is indeed diving and what Tiernan McCann did that time was a blatant dive and he got his just reward afterwards.
I think Mickey Harte is very aware that Armagh could come along and upset the excellent discipline this young team have showed in recent times. It would greatly annoy him if they came along and got stuck into us physically and got some of our players sent off and have a huge impact on his plan for meeting the Dubs. So I think that's why Mickey went down that road with his interview.
I also agree with you about lads drinking on the way to matches. I mean I get it you can have a couple but the whole purpose of the day is to go watch a match and to enjoy yourself. I can kinda understand younger lads who are immature and it's just another big adventure out but to watch men over 30 getting boozed up before the game just amazes me.
It's great to have the banter before the game with the Armagh ones again as for too many games there is no craic or big build up talk. I don't think though there are too many Tyrone posters getting nervous or are overly worried about losing to Armagh. I watched your match back last night and I think Armagh will find it much harder to kick the ball into their inside line as Down soon found out. I'd expect Jamie Clarke to spend a lot more time out around the middle and make runs from deep otherwise he'll never be on the ball much.
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I think Mickey Harte is very aware that Armagh could come along and upset the excellent discipline this young team have showed in recent times. It would greatly annoy him if they came along and got stuck into us physically and got some of our players sent off and have a huge impact on his plan for meeting the Dubs. So I think that's why Mickey went down that road with his interview.
I know you are one of the more balanced Tyrone posters Fuzz but do you seriously believe what you have written?? You'd swear Tyrone were as pure as the driven snow. Mickey had only one reason for saying what he said and that was to put the squeeze on the referee. Tyrone supporters would want to believe that Mickey Harte isn't taking Armagh for granted and planning for the Dubs. If he was that would suit us just fine. This line that the (smaller than Tyrone) Armagh team are going to bully this naïve Tyrone team off Croke Park is utter crap. This Armagh team would prefer a footballing contest than a dour Ulster slugfest as we proved earlier in the year. They have performed poorly in the physical stakes. Down bullied us out of it in Newry FFS. We struggled when Antrim turned up the heat in a Div 3 league game. We have performed well when teams were happy to go toe to toe with us.
Mackers, where have I said Tyrone are pure as snow and don't want to get involved in a rough game.
I think most neutrals expect Armagh to get stuck into Tyrone as Colm o'Rourke and Brolly said.
I think if Armagh go out and try to play nice attack minded football against this Tyrone team they will get eaten alive. Like playing any of so called bigger teams you have to get in their face, ask questions of them, not let them settle into their stride or play the game they want to play. Did you read McGuinness's article in the Irish Times yesterday?
Of course Harte is playing mind games and like Jim Gavin he has this double side to him where he often says one thing but does something completely different. He is a ruthless man and that's why he has been so successful. My point was that his concern is that Armagh will mix it up with Tyrone and that could cause his team problems so his words are to influence the ref, his own players and probably Armagh as well.
Playing the media has become an important part of prematch build-ups now as we saw last year with Lee Keegan and D.Connolly but remember the media come to Mickey and Co asking questions and he gives his views. It's not like Mickey rings them up with an agenda to get the ref well warned that Sean Cavanagh will be targetted in this game.
Do you really think Armagh will have a better chance to beat Tyrone if they go out and play attack minded football and commit men forward into our 40 where Tyrone will then turn the ball over and attack into the space at pace? I can't see McGeeney being that naive again and against Kildare I think they played more defensively than in other games.
Harte is worried there will be a repeat of Armagh's antics from the 2014 game. Several of the Armagh lads held on in the pre-match handshakes including whoever did it to Matty Donnelly causing Matty to get booked. It was obviously a pre-orchestrated plan by Armagh prior to throw-in and it worked.
Harte doesn't want something similar happening this weekend. Armagh will want to turn the game into a dogfight, Tyrone don't as they know they have superior players who if they play to their potential should win the game
The key for us on Saturday is to go out and play football.
If this happens there will be only 1 winner.
As in 2014 if we allow Armagh to get in our faces and get dragged down to their level it can only hurt us and affect us for Dublin game.
Expect the unexpected against them
I thought you men would know by now that what them fools say on TSG is a load of shite, this happened 3 years ago and the personal is not there to do that again. Armagh are not a physical team (bar James Morgan who is the hardiest fella I've seen, fecking man would tackle the Cliffs of Moher). Possibly A Forker too but is playing much better now that he's realised playing football and staying on the pitch gives your team a much better chance of winning.
Fuzzman i generally like your posts but you are pumping Tyrone up to be Dublin & Kerry combined..."If you play football against Tyrone you will be cleaned out". That's nonsense, If you play football and deliver good quality first time ball into the forward line you can beat Tyrone or any team for that matter. Our problem will be keeping Tyrone out at the other end...
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The key for us on Saturday is to go out and play football.
If this happens there will be only 1 winner.
As in 2014 if we allow Armagh to get in our faces and get dragged down to their level it can only hurt us and affect us for Dublin game.
Expect the unexpected against them
I believe it's been 9 years from Tyrone won the all ireland ::)
Yeah sounds just like words from an Armagh fan
I doubt the same thing will happen again. Playing under Paul Grimley they had that mentality of don't give them an inch, get them first anyway you can. That year there was the Cavan parade fiasco before the match started, the Tyrone game as the match started and then the Donegal row in the Q/F shortly after it started.
Armagh haven't been involved in any of that in this championship so nothing to suggest they will.
You would think Mickey is putting the pressure of the ref that any remotely hefty challenges are premeditated. And a high stakes game like this you would say there would be 1 or 2.
Ps Tyrone in 2014 were no world beaters, there were very much Armagh's level
Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
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I thought you men would know by now that what them fools say on TSG is a load of shite, this happened 3 years ago and the personal is not there to do that again. Armagh are not a physical team (bar James Morgan who is the hardiest fella I've seen, fecking man would tackle the Cliffs of Moher). Possibly A Forker too but is playing much better now that he's realised playing football and staying on the pitch gives your team a much better chance of winning.
Fuzzman i generally like your posts but you are pumping Tyrone up to be Dublin & Kerry combined..."If you play football against Tyrone you will be cleaned out". That's nonsense, If you play football and deliver good quality first time ball into the forward line you can beat Tyrone or any team for that matter. Our problem will be keeping Tyrone out at the other end...
Exactly. It's lazy analysis to say this is a big bad Armagh team who will bully Tyrone. Fuzz you are following the words of the media who are following the "physical" Armagh crap. If Armagh start the Rambo stuff on Saturday it will suit Tyrone and will be a major mistake on our management's behalf. The Armagh supporters who have followed their team all year know this better than the likes of Colm O'Rourke. You're not dealing with the Francie Bellews and McEntees any more.
The Tyrone posters are saying that they hope that they don't get sucked into a physical battle and lose their discipline, I honestly would say the opposite. I hope that the likes of Aidan Forker can keep his head because I'd say he's going to get his buttons pushed on Saturday evening and he has been too quick to take the bait before. Illdecide is correct, he's playing much better this last few weeks because he has been concentrating on his football.
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
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Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Is this the case?
How many of the Armagh forwards outside Clarke would start for Tyrone?
Wee plucky Division 3 Armagh getting all high and mighty, love it! :D ;)
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Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Is this the case?
How many of the Armagh forwards outside Clarke would start for Tyrone?
Campbell and Murnin.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 02, 2017, 12:22:52 PM
Wee plucky Division 3 Armagh getting all high and mighty, love it! :D ;)
;D
It's obvious (to a neutral like myself) that Armagh have that GAA pedigree, whereas Tyrone are the bolsheviks of the GAA world.
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Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Is this the case?
How many of the Armagh forwards outside Clarke would start for Tyrone?
Campbell and Murnin.
Clarke is the stand out forward from both teams.
Then in an attacking sense, Mattie donnelly, Harte, Sludden , Sean Cavanagh (on his day) are ahead of anything else Armagh would have.
I dont see an awful lot between the rest of the attacking players from both sides.
Tyrone certainly have more firepower to spring from the bench, with Oneill, mccurry, brennan etc.
I would be surprised to see Murnin start after the way he went off last week holding the hamstring
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Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Chill the beans Yellowcard, I don't think anyone is claiming superiority as a football county. I think most people are just pointing out that Tyrone are favourites for this particular game? Do you disagree? Do you disagree that Tyrone have been operating at a higher level over the past few seasons? (Div 3 compared to mainly div 1?) Tyrone are currently two time Ulster champions, when was Armaghs last provincial final? Contrary to what you might think Tyrone have been in All Ireland Semi finals twice in the past 4 years so hardly serial quarter final losers. So don't be getting all precious if people think Tyrone might win. Having said all that, it all means nothing in terms of Saturday's game, Armagh are currently playing at a level higher than Div 3 would suggest and Tyrone haven't really been tested. The local derby aspect brings an unknown element to the game too. There's a standard GAA analysis that the team expected to lose a game will always be labeled as needing to "bring the game down to their level" or will need to let the other team "know they are there". This is nonsense of course and Mickey Harte knows it too. His comments are a little mischievous but will have no baring on the game. For me Tyrone are much more comfortable in their game plan than Armagh. They will stick to plan A regardless of what Armagh do and it will probably be enough. (Im convinced Mickey has been developing this game plan to beat the Dubs whilst ssuming it will also be enough to beat other teams along the way - which hasn't always been the case) In my view if Armagh leave Jamie Clarke inside, he won't touch leather and the dodgy full back line has dealt with better players that Murnin. Can Armagh come up with and implement a game plan before Saturday? I hope not! Can't wait!
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Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Is this the case?
How many of the Armagh forwards outside Clarke would start for Tyrone?
Campbell and Murnin.
At the minute Campbell can't even get a start for Armagh (which is suprising as he looked an excellent prospect before this year)
From what I've seen Murnin has been consistently the best forward for Armagh this year and will be a big loss if he doesn't play.
These are very much 2 different teams from years before. Tyrone probably have the edge in physicality and have a well honed system. Armagh have serious momentum and seem to have reverted to the Cross template of kicking it long and quick, which is paying dividends.
Neither team are particualry dirty, however Armagh's tackling is very reckless and leads to a lot of unnnecessary frees. Forker, vastly improved as a player, is probably still the weakest Armagh link in terms of temprement as he seems to get a yellow card almost every game he plays. Was he not taken off before getting sent off against Kildare last weekend (and that wasn't a dirty game)?
Absolute bonus territy for Armagh; anythng other than a 5+point defeat will be seen as progress.
For Tyrone this is a great game to focus the mind, take it off dreaming of a semi-final v Dublin and concentrate fully on the QF at hand. not sure if they would have been as focused v Monaghan.
At the end of the day however if Tyrone genuinely believe they are top 3 and serious contenders for the AI then they need to win this. No ifs buts or maybes.
As a Tyrone man I have nothing but repsect for all the genuine Armagh Gaels; the ones who follow the team everywhere, the ones who put in the hours coaching, fundraising, organising and playing for their local club etc and just hope this is as good a game as we are all thinking it will be. Win lose or draw we should al be fit to have some craic withour neighbours and be civil to one another before and after the game.
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Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Is this the case?
How many of the Armagh forwards outside Clarke would start for Tyrone?
Campbell and Murnin.
At the minute Campbell can't even get a start for Armagh (which is suprising as he looked an excellent prospect before this year)
From what I've seen Murnin has been consistently the best forward for Armagh this year and will be a big loss if he doesn't play.
These are very much 2 different teams from years before. Tyrone probably have the edge in physicality and have a well honed system. Armagh have serious momentum and seem to have reverted to the Cross template of kicking it long and quick, which is paying dividends.
Neither team are particualry dirty, however Armagh's tackling is very reckless and leads to a lot of unnnecessary frees. Forker, vastly improved as a player, is probably still the weakest Armagh link in terms of temprement as he seems to get a yellow card almost every game he plays. Was he not taken off before getting sent off against Kildare last weekend (and that wasn't a dirty game)?
Absolute bonus territy for Armagh; anythng other than a 5+point defeat wil be seen as progress.
For Tyrone this is a great game to focus the mind, take if off dreaming of a semi-final v Dublin and concentrate fully on the QF at hand. not sure if they would have been as focused v Monaghan.
At the end of the day however if Tyrone genuinely believe they are top 3 and serious contenders for the AI then they need to win this. No ifs buts or maybes.
That's a fair assessment.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 02, 2017, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 02, 2017, 11:53:34 AM
Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Is this the case?
How many of the Armagh forwards outside Clarke would start for Tyrone?
Campbell and Murnin.
At the minute Campbell can't even get a start for Armagh (which is suprising as he looked an excellent prospect before this year)
From what I've seen Murnin has been consistently the best forward for Armagh this year and will be a big loss if he doesn't play.
These are very much 2 different teams from years before. Tyrone probably have the edge in physicality and have a well honed system. Armagh have serious momentum and seem to have reverted to the Cross template of kicking it long and quick, which is paying dividends.
Neither team are particualry dirty, however Armagh's tackling is very reckless and leads to a lot of unnnecessary frees. Forker, vastly improved as a player, is probably still the weakest Armagh link in terms of temprement as he seems to get a yellow card almost every game he plays. Was he not taken off before getting sent off against Kildare last weekend (and that wasn't a dirty game)?
Absolute bonus territy for Armagh; anythng other than a 5+point defeat wil be seen as progress.
For Tyrone this is a great game to focus the mind, take if off dreaming of a semi-final v Dublin and concentrate fully on the QF at hand. not sure if they would have been as focused v Monaghan.
At the end of the day however if Tyrone genuinely believe they are top 3 and serious contenders for the AI then they need to win this. No ifs buts or maybes.
Campbell and Murnin wouldn't start for Tyrone.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 02, 2017, 01:00:10 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 02, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 02, 2017, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 02, 2017, 12:20:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 02, 2017, 11:53:34 AM
Tyrone supporters trying to anoint themselves as some sort of superior footballing county in the build up to this game is quite comical. To the best of my knowledge this Tyrone team have repeatedly failed at the AI qf/sf stage but you would swear that it was Kerry/Dublin that were taking on Armagh on Saturday. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and outside of Harte and Donnelly they have no real standout special players. Overall quality wise though they definitely have an edge in the middle 8 sector of the field but Armagh have an edge up front in terms of inside forwards and need to concentrate on kicking the ball long and early into their FF line before the Tyrone blanket has time to form. The Tyrone full back line is not the greatest and this is where Armagh can cause damage if the ball in is quick ball. I think we will need a couple of goals to stand a chance of winning this match and if Murnin is not fit it will have a big impact on our game plan. If Armagh engage in a slow ponderous running game it will suit Tyrone perfectly as there is only one winner if it turns into an arm wrestle.
Is this the case?
How many of the Armagh forwards outside Clarke would start for Tyrone?
Campbell and Murnin.
At the minute Campbell can't even get a start for Armagh (which is suprising as he looked an excellent prospect before this year)
From what I've seen Murnin has been consistently the best forward for Armagh this year and will be a big loss if he doesn't play.
These are very much 2 different teams from years before. Tyrone probably have the edge in physicality and have a well honed system. Armagh have serious momentum and seem to have reverted to the Cross template of kicking it long and quick, which is paying dividends.
Neither team are particualry dirty, however Armagh's tackling is very reckless and leads to a lot of unnnecessary frees. Forker, vastly improved as a player, is probably still the weakest Armagh link in terms of temprement as he seems to get a yellow card almost every game he plays. Was he not taken off before getting sent off against Kildare last weekend (and that wasn't a dirty game)?
Absolute bonus territy for Armagh; anythng other than a 5+point defeat wil be seen as progress.
For Tyrone this is a great game to focus the mind, take if off dreaming of a semi-final v Dublin and concentrate fully on the QF at hand. not sure if they would have been as focused v Monaghan.
At the end of the day however if Tyrone genuinely believe they are top 3 and serious contenders for the AI then they need to win this. No ifs buts or maybes.
Campbell and Murnin wouldn't start for Tyrone.
Campell might not (on current form) but Murnin would be in with a good shout - his leap is phenomenal, he is a good ball winner and he would suit the quick transition style we are looking to play
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 31, 2017, 11:47:58 AM
I was saying to a few lads yesterday how so many southern teams seem to roll over when they come up against a bigger team like Galway did again yesterday v Kerry.
I think most of us expected Kerry to win but jeez would it have killed Galway to show a bit of fight and at least get stuck into them and put it up to Kerry.
At least the Rossies showed a hell of a lot more intensity and passion and weren't showing Mayo much respect. Too often teams are beaten even before the game starts and that often seems to be the case when teams come up against Kerry or the Dubs.
Armagh showed that Ulster teams don't have that problem as they got laced into Kildare from the start. Many people had talked up this Kildare team this year and said they had some great players and to be honest I was a bit worried about Tyrone being caught cold by them but alas their soft underbelly showed itself again and Armagh's hunger and belief was enough to bring them through.
Think the Down fans were very annoyed that despite them doing well this year and having beaten Armagh, their old rivals have got further than they did and have a big chance to get to an AI semifinal.
near pissed myself at that, just incase you didn't know it, Kildare aren't a bigger team. Tyrone to win pulling up, a division one super power playing a division three team, something like the Ulster final. Galway got comprehensively beaten because Kerry are significantly better than them. Rossies played division one this season, so not a gulf between them and Mayo, especially a Mayo team on the back of extra time.
I rewatched it too. Kildare learnt nothing from the Leinster final at the back. 6/7 defenders surrounding 1 or 2 men between 21 and 45 leaving huge gaps everywhere for Clarke amongst others to run into.
Tyroneman, a very fair assessment
I really hope Tyrone management are overlooking McParland as much as the Tyrone guys on this thread seem to be
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
Clarke is a super footballer, I've been a fan for years, I love his style and his skill. I question though whether he'd get on the Tyrone starting team. It's not because we have better forwards, but because we have better forwards than those who do start sitting on the bench because the guys that start play the system better.
Clarke would make the team.
Murnin would be there or thereabouts but but his style of play wouldn't suit our high tempo up and down the pitch game we play.
Campbell would hardly make the match day squad. Lee is far superior and only gets a few minutes so enough said there
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
Sean will also be remembered for putting big Francie on his hole who was a proper hard man, I'd say he's hardly too bothered about McKeever!
Quote from: Taylor on August 02, 2017, 01:53:00 PM
Clarke would make the team.
Murnin would be there or thereabouts but but his style of play wouldn't suit our high tempo up and down the pitch game we play.
Campbell would hardly make the match day squad. Lee is far superior and only gets a few minutes so enough said there
That's my point about Clarke. Lee and Ronan are our two best scoring forwards for my money but neither is getting a start and Lee is barely getting a run on. Clarke is something else though. Love to watch him play and can't wait to see him live.
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
Sean will also be remembered for putting big Francie on his hole who was a proper hard man, I'd say he's hardly scared of McKeever!
You guys still like to flag up just about the only hit big Sean ever made in his career, blindsided too as Bellew was bending down. Is that the best you can come up with?
Ah here it is - you don't have the balls to do it cause you type it on here response - typical response from a poster like you - next you'll be asking for my address so you can come round and sort me out!!! ::)
Just said it would be nice (didn't say attack either by the way) all i'm saying is to get nailed e.g. a good hard shoulder to shoulder challenge and put him on his ass. And your right I couldn't do it.
And my point is in terms of comparing players is you can't compare a limited mckeever to an all time great - Cavanagh.
Was McKeever on the 2002 squad? Must have been gathering up the balls at the end of training!
Quote from: Armamike on August 02, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
Sean will also be remembered for putting big Francie on his hole who was a proper hard man, I'd say he's hardly scared of McKeever!
You guys still like to flag up just about the only hit big Sean ever made in his career, blindsided too as Bellew was bending down. Is that the best you can come up with?
And if its the one i am thinking of he didn't exactly bound to his feet again himself.
Who cares about who gets in to the other team. They both have completely opposite styles of football but the way each team operates should be to those players strengths.
With regards to the refereeing, it should be the same standard every week. If Armagh were allowed to challenge Kildare physically and fairly last week, then they should be able to do it this weekend against Tyrone.
McKeever has a real bad timing issue;
Came on the Armagh panel the year after they won the all-Ireland.
Left Cullyhanna and they reached the county final the next year.
Quote from: Armamike on August 02, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
Sean will also be remembered for putting big Francie on his hole who was a proper hard man, I'd say he's hardly scared of McKeever!
You guys still like to flag up just about the only hit big Sean ever made in his career, blindsided too as Bellew was bending down. Is that the best you can come up with?
Well, when you lads try to make Sean out to be some big girls blouse, it's nice to remind you that that same big girls blouse, left one of your all time hard men whining on his hole in one of the defining moments of one the defining games of that era. And he didn't blindside him! ::)
Quote from: Solo_run on August 02, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
Who cares about who gets in to the other team. They both have completely opposite styles of football but the way each team operates should be to those players strengths.
With regards to the refereeing, it should be the same standard every week. If Armagh were allowed to challenge Kildare physically and fairly last week, then they should be able to do it this weekend against Tyrone.
Id be happy enough if Armagh tackled again like they did against kildare as the free count was through the roof
Very good post Tyroneman and I couldn't agree more about the bit about Armagh being wreckless in the tackle. When I was watching it again last night I couldn't help but think how many silly rash frees they gave away and wondering will we have the free takers to punish them.
In our 3 games so far we've not had a lot of frees as have scored heavily from play so it will be interesting to see do Armagh foul us out in the wings making it hard to score from frees which will frustrate them.
I think those who have not watched Tyrone recently don't realise how hard it is to get scores against them.
In all of their games so far they only conceded 5 points in the first half and usually in that 3rd quarter they pulled away.
Against Derry Tyrone led 0.10 to 0.05 at HT.
After 50 mins it was 0.14 to 0.08
Against Donegal they lead 0.12 to 0.05 at HT
After 50 mins is was 1.14 to 0.06
Against Down (http://www.the42.ie/tyrone-down-ulster-sfc-final-liveblog-3498910-Jul2017/) they lead 0.07 to 0.05 at HT
After 50 mins is was 1.14 to 0.07
Interestingly Donegal and Down had great goal chances just before half time and didn't take them.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on August 02, 2017, 02:21:57 PM
McKeever has a real bad timing issue;
Came on the Armagh panel the year after they won the all-Ireland.
Left Cullyhanna and they reached the county final the next year.
Are you saying Spuds that if he retires this year Armagh could get to an AI final next year?
Is he still playing with Parnells in Dublin?
Does Geezer still live in Dublin?
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
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Captain of the 2004 u-21 AI winning team.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2017, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on August 02, 2017, 02:21:57 PM
McKeever has a real bad timing issue;
Came on the Armagh panel the year after they won the all-Ireland.
Left Cullyhanna and they reached the county final the next year.
Are you saying Spuds that if he retires this year Armagh could get to an AI final next year?
Is he still playing with Parnells in Dublin?
Does Geezer still live in Dublin?
Back with Cullyhanna I think.
Geezer lives in Armagh.
Would be surprised to see McKeever start.
Quote from: haveaharp on August 02, 2017, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: Armamike on August 02, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 02, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
Sean will also be remembered for putting big Francie on his hole who was a proper hard man, I'd say he's hardly scared of McKeever!
You guys still like to flag up just about the only hit big Sean ever made in his career, blindsided too as Bellew was bending down. Is that the best you can come up with?
And if its the one i am thinking of he didn't exactly bound to his feet again himself.
That's cos Cavanagh never hit the ground and there was no blindsiding either. Full on frontal at speed, Francie went down like a sack of spuds and had to be helped onto the team bus by the McEntee twins after.
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on August 02, 2017, 02:21:57 PM
McKeever has a real bad timing issue;
Came on the Armagh panel the year after they won the all-Ireland.
Left Cullyhanna and they reached the county final the next year.
If you're going to talk dung you need to get your facts right. Wrong in both instances.
To be fair, I wouldn't want to be hit by SC running at full pelt. I think he'd floor anyone doing that
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
Far from it, but you might live to regret these intemperate comments. Most Armagh fans know that Tyrone are red hot favourites and at a further stage of development than we are. Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
Don't remember Cavanagh putting Francie down but then I suppose anyone can get lucky once in their career. McKeever has always had the measure of Cavanagh though and I'm not sure Charlie is the man to mark his brother in law for a game of this magnitude. I think Cavanagh is spooked by McKeever.
Lads on here who wouldn't last a minute at county level calling out Kieran McKeever and Sean Cavanagh. Both superb athletes and great footballers, both with an edge and will to win. Sean was lucky to be part of a golden generation in Tyrone and Kieran unlucky that Armagh were on the wain when he broke through. Neither one an angel, but then as Greenday say, Nice guys finish last.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
Far from it, but you might live to regret these intemperate comments. Most Armagh fans know that Tyrone are red hot favourites and at a further stage of development than we are. Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
We've had enough of hammering Armagh by 20+ points. We'll be happy enough to scale it back to 3 or 4 on Sat so you can go home happy!
Jesus the thread has turned playground stuff altogether!My views on the match:
McKeever and Cavanagh are going to shoulder the fcuk out of each other and the winners team progresses to the S/F
Clarke and Murnin are putting in for transfers before throw in
Harte is going to be saying the rosary on the side-line hoping physical warfare and bloodshed can be avoided
McGeeney will probably do press ups on the side-line the entire match
Joe Brolly is going to tear into one of the managers, regardless of result
Pat Spillane is going to lament Ulster football, regardless of the result
I'll be out in Dublin on Saturday night, regardless of the result ;D
The nonsense on this thread is getting completely ridiculous....grown men actually arguing over who's harder? Get a grip! Can we have a separate thread for the trash talk and another for some serious discussion and occasional banter?!
Anyway Clarke is clearly the stand-out forward...Murnin is a great ball winner, but his style of play wouldn't suit Tyrone and therefore wouldn't get his place. Campbell up until this season I always thought would have been ideal for Tyrone and would have definitely have improved them. He hasn't quite reached the same level as in previous years unfortunately despite scoring quite well in the league. Despite that I thought he had a good game on Saturday getting through a lot of work and contributing to the goal. I would certainly have him in my team before McCurry, Brennan, O'Neil and Bradley and have heard a few Tyrone folk say the same.
Tyrone fans would argue that barring Clarke, which forwards would get into the Tyrone team...possibly none, but based on the style of game both teams play I would argue that few of the Tyrone forwards would get onto the Armagh team. Donnelly and Harte are the stand outs and would likely improve any team in the country.
PS....I remember the shoulder that Cavanagh caught Francie with...not too many would have gotten up from it. The bold Francie was as tough as them came though!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 02, 2017, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 02, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 02, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
U21 - 2004.
Hughes needs better kick outs. Not distance but accuracy, he gave away at least three easy scores last match because he rushed the kicks. This could determine the outcome.
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Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
U21 - 2004.
LOL :D ;D
I wasn't even counting those type of titles for Cavanagh so you've just answered your own etc etc question.
I say it again
McKeever - Limited Footballer - Exceptional Hard man
Cavanagh - Exceptional Footballer.
Yes kickouts (or restarts as some prefer to call them now) will be very important for both teams and I hope Tyrone push up on most of Armagh's kickouts.
Our midfield has become much stronger in recent times, however should Armagh let us take short kickouts I would imagine Morgan will do so.
Speaking of Morgan I hope he keeps his head on Saturday against his near neighbours. The last thing we need is him getting involved with Armagh players or fans and then having to hit 45s or long range frees.
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
The anxiety is getting to you Tyrone ones.
This is a game Tyrone can't afford to lose while Armagh have nothing to lose and have already exceeded championship expectations for 2017.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
Nonsense. Anything less than a 1 point win will be a failure. At this stage getting through is all that matters.
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 02, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
Hughes needs better kick outs. Not distance but accuracy, he gave away at least three easy scores last match because he rushed the kicks. This could determine the outcome.
I have watched the game a couple of times. Hughes gave away one point from a poor kickout. He has been a revelation and is not a weak point in our team.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 02, 2017, 04:04:18 PM
I hope Tyrone push up on most of Armagh's kickouts.
Kildare pushed up on our kickouts on repeatedly and Armagh had obviously planned for this as McParland and Murnin (when his runs weren't blocked) collected several balls that had been kicked over the crowded area. This left Kildare exposed at the back on a number of occasions. MH will have watched this and I'd imagine they will allow Armagh the short kickout.
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Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
U21 - 2004.
LOL :D ;D
I wasn't even counting those type of titles for Cavanagh so you've just answered your own etc etc question.
I say it again
McKeever - Limited Footballer - Exceptional Hard man
Cavanagh - Exceptional Footballer.
Ah right so would say PTG had 2 or 4 all irelands?
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Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
U21 - 2004.
Quite possibly the comedy post of the decade!! ;D ;D
You'll be listing your medal haul StGalls?
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Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
U21 - 2004.
LOL :D ;D
I wasn't even counting those type of titles for Cavanagh so you've just answered your own etc etc question.
I say it again
McKeever - Limited Footballer - Exceptional Hard man
Cavanagh - Exceptional Footballer.
Ah right so would say PTG had 2 or 4 all irelands?
Ehhhhh 2 lol
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You'll be listing your medal haul StGalls?
It's longer than yours........
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Ehhhhh 2 lol
Brokencrossbar take note unless it's one endorsed by Tyrone - no other all-ireland competitions exist!
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You'll be listing your medal haul StGalls?
It's longer than yours........
You'd know kid, we'll see when he posts the list.
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Ehhhhh 2 lol
Brokencrossbar take note unless it's one endorsed by Tyrone - no other all-ireland competitions exist!
Ah right so McKeever has an All Ireland senior club medal then? You should have said.
Ahh lads the thread was good banter earlier but it's gone to the dogs now with yer McKeever chat.
Can we get back talking about the match.
Good point Mackers and Donegal nearly scored a goal that one time that the ball broke away from Colm Cavanagh and he was out of position and the Donegal man ran through untouched.
I'd say the Monaghan and Dublin fans will all be cheering for ye on Sat.
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Ahh lads the thread was good banter earlier but it's gone to the dogs now with yer McKeever chat.
Can we get back talking about the match.
Good point Mackers and Donegal nearly scored a goal that one time that the ball broke away from Colm Cavanagh and he was out of position and the Donegal man ran through untouched.
I'd say the Monaghan and Dublin fans will all be cheering for ye on Sat.
We wouldn't want to wait on the Dublin fans to arrive to get ahead.
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Ahh lads the thread was good banter earlier but it's gone to the dogs now with yer McKeever chat.
Can we get back talking about the match.
Good point Mackers and Donegal nearly scored a goal that one time that the ball broke away from Colm Cavanagh and he was out of position and the Donegal man ran through untouched.
I'd say the Monaghan and Dublin fans will all be cheering for ye on Sat.
Agree Fuzzman, some of your county men would do well to listen instead of wishing harm on current county players.
Numerous posters on both sides making fools of themselves comparing medal hauls and fball ability when the men u talking about would never bring up such things! You look real dicks having the same conversation with kerry or dublin men and their medal hauls! What B Brogan got 4-all stars? 4 all-ireland 9/ 10 lenister; 4/5 national league? That conversation loks a tad foolish
Back to football chat, Conor McAliskey is back in full training. He was really coming on last year and would have been a great man to have in the FF line on Saturday.
According to his Twitter post he had his first team training session 28 weeks after ACL reconstruction and MCL repair, some going.
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Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
Far from it, but you might live to regret these intemperate comments. Most Armagh fans know that Tyrone are red hot favourites and at a further stage of development than we are. Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
Nonsense. Anything less than an 8 point win is a failure. Armagh are a team that couldn't get out of divison three, rely on a flat-track bully like Clarke who goes missing against decent teams and then heads off on holidays, and McKeever who comes off the field with grazed knuckles.
all I'm saying is that punt kick is wrong trying to put Cavanagh and mckeever on same level by insinuating that Sean is scared of him so therefore is less of a player!
As regards the game tyrone will beat armagh by how much I'm not sure but there not in the same league.
From Gavin Cummiskey in the Irish Times:
Time for another Armagh and Tyrone death embrace
Tyrone seem miles ahead of their fierce Ulster rivals in the hunt for the Sam Maguire
Revisiting the labyrinth of this 2005 trilogy has little to do with Saturday's reprise. On Saturday, every able man, woman and child will migrate south, returning to Croke Park 12 years on to witness Kieran McGeeney stranded on the same sideline – this time by choice – a few feet adrift of Mickey Harte's sturdier life raft.
Some appetiser: Armagh and Tyrone in another death embrace.
A small mercy for the Orchard County is Peter Canavan hidden away in the Sky Sports studio with McGeeney a silent stature, as he's been all summer, for Tyrone's expected drive deeper into August.
The Ulster champions this and last year seem miles ahead in the hunt for Sam Maguire. Armagh will labour their progress via Jamie Clarke and a wily backroom from the previous generation. John Toal, Paddy McKeever, Justin McNulty and Paul McGrane – heroic figures denied more All-Irelands.
Medals that ended up in Tyrone.
We begin where these parallel paths diverged, perhaps forever. In the booming summers of 2004 and 2005, Croke Park welcomed in the Ulster football finals. The 2005 version needed a replay between Armagh and Tyrone.
The second most famous Michael Collins was referee. He incorrectly sent off Peter Canavan and Stephen O'Neill, yet letting Ryan McMenamin's knee drop on John McEntee's face and chest away with a yellow card.
"The replay was probably a wee bit heated," remembers former Armagh mentor Paul Grimley.
Five suspensions were eventually overturned as lawyers exposed flaws in the GAA disciplinary system.
Unwise decision"But the All-Ireland semi-final was a great game, probably goes down as one of the top 10 games ever," Grimley continued.
Armagh had it sown up until an "unwise" decision coupled with Tyrone's unbridled desire halted clean strides towards a dynastic era.
"The 2003 final and that semi-final hurt Armagh people a hell of a lot. When it came down to the crunch in both years Tyrone won those battles."
Looking only at Ulster results from 1999 to 2009 and this was the Armagh period of dominance. Seven provincial titles and the 2002 All-Ireland is eclipsed by Tyrone's three All-Irelands in 2003, 2005 and 2008.
"From 2002 to 2006 the feeling would be that we, Armagh, left a lot behind us," said Grimley. "We all have to take responsibility for that.
"In fairness to Tyrone they went from 2003 to 2008 winning their three, and they continue to compete in the latter stages of the All-Ireland series."
Greatness abandoned Joe Kernan's team during those astonishing minutes after he withdrew his captain and now successor as Armagh manager.
It was Seán Cavanagh, McGeeney's marker, that grabbed the ball after McKeever (still going from the Armagh bench this weekend) tugged the shirt sleeve of Stephen O'Neill in sight of Hill 16's towering posts as time ticked towards nothingness.
"Please, please, Peter. Take that," a young Cavanagh implored. "And he said, 'No, Muggsy is all right for the job'. And I said 'No, you take it Peter, it's the last kick of the game. There's no one else better to take it.'"
Over the barCanavan offered glory to Owen Mulligan but the peroxide blonde free-taker responded with a broad smile: "I don't mind, I don't mind," he informed his former school teacher.
Canavan swung the free over the bar.
Armagh were two points ahead with seven minutes to go when Kernan sent Enda McNulty in for McGeeney.
"There has been a lot of talk over the years about the decision that was made," said Grimley, Kernan's right-hand man that day. "The decision was made and as part of the management I would never turn around and try to run away from that responsibility but it proved an unwise decision.
"Seán Cavanagh has since said he couldn't believe it. But I remember Armagh went in front just after Kieran came off when John McEntee put over a fantastic long-range score.
"Whenever a decision like that happens, and obviously Kieran was the captain and an iconic figure, whenever you lose the game, that decision becomes the reason you lost the game. I don't think it was wise to do that at that time, as Kieran was playing on Seán Cavanagh, but personally speaking I don't think it was the decision that lost the game.
"It's hard to put your finger on it. We missed a lot of scores that day. I'm not going to hang anyone."
Finished strongerBut it mattered. Tyrone, with their iconic figure on the field, finished stronger. They progressed to the All-Ireland final where they dethroned Kerry, and have kept Armagh in their rear-view mirror ever since.
"I don't really look back," said Grimley, "We all know what we left behind us. We know we were capable of achieving a lot more. Be that complacency [when losing to Fermanagh] in 2004 or the great Conor Gormley block [on Steven McDonnell] in 2003. God doesn't make any more yesterdays, only tomorrows."
The value of the early century Armagh team being part of McGeeney's backroom this Saturday evening is not lost on Grimley.
"Kieran has opinions from four very strong individuals. They are humble guys, it would be Armagh first them second. I'd say the bond between those guys is noticed by the players and that has reflected onto them."
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
It was a great year on the board all the same. You couldn't shut Fearon up for love or money. Armagh had one and Tyrone had nothing.
No amount of Sams later could really make up for that shame at the time.
Peter Canavans speech in 2003 channelled the feeling.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
Hope the game is more interesting than this thread.
The contributions of either side are idiotic.
It's absolutely true that every Armagh fan would exchange being the first of the 2 counties to win an AI for winning 3. It's phoney to claim that we showed Tyrone the way to win an AI.
That aside the points you make and your manner of doing so have the ring of a backward child
And things have certainly gone down hill now. Can we have the sensible posters back please
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And things have certainly gone down hill now. Can we have the sensible posters back please
Often these sort of sanctimonious posts are more annoying that the posters who are clearly on the wind up. If you have a postive contribution to make which will take the thread on another direction then feel free!
Anyone want to take a stab at what they think the teams will be?
I think we could see Mcclure coming in for Mulgrew and Connall McCann moving to WHF.
Hard to see Harte making many other changes.
Sean Cavanagh is probably lucky to hold on to his position, given his current form, but you always feel he is capable of pulling a big game out of somewhere.
Personally , I would like to see Ruari Brennan starting ahead of McRory, but he seems to be a favourite of Hartes , so that is unlikley.
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Anyone want to take a stab at what they think the teams will be?
I think we could see Mcclure coming in for Mulgrew and Connall McCann moving to WHF.
Hard to see Harte making many other changes.
Sean Cavanagh is probably lucky to hold on to his position, given his current form, but you always feel he is capable of pulling a big game out of somewhere.
Personally , I would like to see Ruari Brennan starting ahead of McRory, but he seems to be a favourite of Hartes , so that is unlikley.
Feel the same about Brennan for McRory. Feel Brennan has to be in there somewhere.
Enjoyed reading that piece by Grimley. As time passes you truly forget how good the rivalry was between these two teams at their most dominant and anytime a game of this magnitude comes along those feeling reignite.
Who will be the matchups in this match?
I reckon:
Clarke/Mc Carron
Shields/Harte(Tyrones best player imo)
Donaghy/Cavanagh
Vernon/Donnelly
Morgan/Bradley
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on August 03, 2017, 09:22:54 AM
Enjoyed reading that piece by Grimley. As time passes you truly forget how good the rivalry was between these two teams at their most dominant and anytime a game of this magnitude comes along those feeling reignite.
Who will be the matchups in this match?
I reckon:
Clarke/Mc Carron
Shields/Harte(Tyrones best player imo)
Donaghy/Cavanagh
Vernon/Donnelly
Morgan/Bradley
McCarron will follow Clarke out the field if he goes there. If he stays inside expect CC will provide additional cover however we need to be careful of his dummy runs pulling CC too far out. Without Collie at the edge of the square we are vulnerable.
Harte would be far too strong for Shields
Sean has been quiet recently so would be really happy to see Donaghy on him. Take him out of the game as he was one of Armaghs most influential players
Vernon could not stick with Donnelly - he was your weak link Saturday
Expect Morgan to be sent off or at least a black card if he has to mark Bradley
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Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on August 03, 2017, 09:22:54 AM
Enjoyed reading that piece by Grimley. As time passes you truly forget how good the rivalry was between these two teams at their most dominant and anytime a game of this magnitude comes along those feeling reignite.
Who will be the matchups in this match?
I reckon:
Clarke/Mc Carron
Shields/Harte(Tyrones best player imo)
Donaghy/Cavanagh
Vernon/Donnelly
Morgan/Bradley
McCarron will follow Clarke out the field if he goes there. If he stays inside expect CC will provide additional cover however we need to be careful of his dummy runs pulling CC too far out. Without Collie at the edge of the square we are vulnerable.
Harte would be far too strong for Shields
Sean has been quiet recently so would be really happy to see Donaghy on him. Take him out of the game as he was one of Armaghs most influential players
Vernon could not stick with Donnelly - he was your weak link Saturday
Expect Morgan to be sent off or at least a black card if he has to mark Bradley
I thought Vernon had one of his better games on Saturday. The reason being he wasn't playing on the square. I'd be happy with him on Mattie Donnelly as it allows him to be out the field more where I feel he is better
That's great news about McAliskey and a very fast recovery from such a bad injury.
Surely it would be madness though to risk him this year, even in the Dublin game (sorry I know the Armagh wans love us looking ahead so I'm just giving them what they want to read)
Was a bit disappointed nobody replied to my post about Tyrone only conceding 5 points in the first half in each of their games so far and then pulling away in the 3rd quarter. Often it means the final quarter is almost a warm down and we let the other team get a few easy scores.
I think Mickey likes to hold a few fast defenders like Rory Brennan back for the second half to inject a bit more speed and urgency into the team in that 3rd quarter to push them through. He knows that period will be crucial against the Dubs and I feel that's his target all year. Of course it's risky to plan that far ahead but as someone already said we've blasted away all other teams before us to date.
I can see Mickey name the same team again though I would love to see McClure in from the start. No harm to Conal, he seems a nice lad and he is a good player but he seems to lack urgency and always seems in 2nd gear unlike Tiernan who works hard all game.
It looks like Meyler, McCurry and McShane have all fallen down the pecking order a bit. I think young Mulgrew has done just OK for one so young and is a big strong lad but do others think he's done better than say McCurry or others.
I wonder is Richie Donnelly near getting a starting place again instead of Mulgrew or maybe we'll see him come on as a sub. Ronan McNabb is another one who seems to have lost out big time this year.
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That's great news about McAliskey and a very fast recovery from such a bad injury.
Surely it would be madness though to risk him this year, even in the Dublin game (sorry I know the Armagh wans love us looking ahead so I'm just giving them what they want to read)
Was a bit disappointed nobody replied to my post about Tyrone only conceding 5 points in the first half in each of their games so far and then pulling away in the 3rd quarter. Often it means the final quarter is almost a warm down and we let the other team get a few easy scores.
I think Mickey likes to hold a few fast defenders like Rory Brennan back for the second half to inject a bit more speed and urgency into the team in that 3rd quarter to push them through. He knows that period will be crucial against the Dubs and I feel that's his target all year. Of course it's risky to plan that far ahead but as someone already said we've blasted away all other teams before us to date.
I can see Mickey name the same team again though I would love to see McClure in from the start. No harm to Conal, he seems a nice lad and he is a good player but he seems to lack urgency and always seems in 2nd gear unlike Tiernan who works hard all game.
I think even the most hopeful of Armagh fans realise this is a step too far for us. I'm hopeful by for a good performance. One which will set us up for another few years of a good rivalry.
I'd be happy to see McCann not start. I think he's a fabulous player and has certainly wises up since hairgate. Note, I reserve he right to change my mind on that come Saturday evening
Jesus. 37 pages and it's only Thursday and we have the postmortum to come...
All joking and sledging aside lads, I hope Tyrone and Armagh fans can travel home on the train without incident regardless of the result. While the rivalry was intense in the noughties the train home was always civilized. There's a lot more young, loutish headbangers following the GAA now in general who can't seem to distinguish that what goes on at a soccer match has no place in GAA. Let's not be behind the door reminding them of that for the good of the CLG!
We really are in a good position around the HB/MF/HF line at the minute in Tyrone. I still think we're a big strong FF (like McBrearty) and a really tight man marker short of an AI.
Would have loved to have seen big Dan McNulty show what he could offer in the FF line. Clonoe are flying at the minute and putting up huge scores. Hopefully, he gets a chance next year and himself and Harte sort out whatever is causing the problem (if there even is one).
StGallsGAA, are you sure there are more young, loutish fans or are you ten years older and grumpier :)
I mean Conall McCann at midfield not Tiernan at wing back who was Hairgate.
The thing that has surprised me the most about the Armagh fans on this thread is how times have changed and how they would much rather have an open game of football than a hard tough physical battle.
It says a lot for both teams how they've changed their style of play from the 2000s.
I'm expecting Armagh to be surprised how hard it will be for them to pick off scores in the first 35 mins but of course they'll probably score 3 goals now. ;D
Yeah StGallsGAA, maybe take a spare T-shirt with you for the trip home and a large set of headphones.
I hope you don't have to deny knowing Mickey Harte 3 times.
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I mean Conall McCann at midfield not Tiernan at wing back who was Hairgate.
The thing that has surprised me the most about the Armagh fans on this thread is how times have changed and how they would much rather have an open game of football than a hard tough physical battle.
It says a lot for both teams how they've changed their style of play from the 2000s.
I'm expecting Armagh to be surprised how hard it will be for them to pick off scores in the first 35 mins but of course they'll probably score 3 goals now. ;D
Yeah StGallsGAA, maybe take a spare T-shirt with you for the trip home and a large set of headphones.
I hope you don't have to deny knowing Mickey Harte 3 times.
Ah right. For th first time in quite some time I'm happy with our midfield. They're not the finished article yet but they are good. Hope they show that on Saturday
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Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
Nonsense. Anything less than a 1 point win will be a failure. At this stage getting through is all that matters.
Lol sure you're mates on here expect a 20 point drubbing.
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 10:46:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
Far from it, but you might live to regret these intemperate comments. Most Armagh fans know that Tyrone are red hot favourites and at a further stage of development than we are. Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
Nonsense. Anything less than an 8 point win is a failure. Armagh are a team that couldn't get out of divison three, rely on a flat-track bully like Clarke who goes missing against decent teams and then heads off on holidays, and McKeever who comes off the field with grazed knuckles.
The Tyrone Tony!
Any tickets going? Been let down big style. Been to all games since o'fiach cup. Sickening
Quote from: our_fella on August 03, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
Any tickets going? Been let down big style. Been to all games since o'fiach cup. Sickening
Have a spare ticket if you want. Hill 16. Face value. Pm me
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 03, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
I mean Conall McCann at midfield not Tiernan at wing back who was Hairgate.
The thing that has surprised me the most about the Armagh fans on this thread is how times have changed and how they would much rather have an open game of football than a hard tough physical battle.
It says a lot for both teams how they've changed their style of play from the 2000s.
I'm expecting Armagh to be surprised how hard it will be for them to pick off scores in the first 35 mins but of course they'll probably score 3 goals now. ;D
Yeah StGallsGAA, maybe take a spare T-shirt with you for the trip home and a large set of headphones.
I hope you don't have to deny knowing Mickey Harte 3 times.
Tyrone are definitely under real pressure for this one. Tyrone supporters could just about accept losing to Dublin in the sf but they would be apoplectic with rage if they lost to a division 3 team especially Armagh. That would be the final nail in the coffin for Harte.
Quote from: our_fella on August 03, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
Any tickets going? Been let down big style. Been to all games since o'fiach cup. Sickening
There's a thread on the armagh gaa forum with spare tickets if you want to check it out
Quote from: lenny on August 03, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 03, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
I mean Conall McCann at midfield not Tiernan at wing back who was Hairgate.
The thing that has surprised me the most about the Armagh fans on this thread is how times have changed and how they would much rather have an open game of football than a hard tough physical battle.
It says a lot for both teams how they've changed their style of play from the 2000s.
I'm expecting Armagh to be surprised how hard it will be for them to pick off scores in the first 35 mins but of course they'll probably score 3 goals now. ;D
Yeah StGallsGAA, maybe take a spare T-shirt with you for the trip home and a large set of headphones.
I hope you don't have to deny knowing Mickey Harte 3 times.
Tyrone are definitely under real pressure for this one. Tyrone supporters could just about accept losing to Dublin in the sf but they would be apoplectic with rage if they lost to a division 3 team especially Armagh. That would be the final nail in the coffin for Harte.
I really dont get this.
Why would anyone even consider getting shot of MH? Who is the replacement?
We have an element of Tyrone supporters who dont want Mickey there but I have yet to hear anyone come up with a replacement
Quote from: lenny on August 03, 2017, 12:04:29 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 03, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
I mean Conall McCann at midfield not Tiernan at wing back who was Hairgate.
The thing that has surprised me the most about the Armagh fans on this thread is how times have changed and how they would much rather have an open game of football than a hard tough physical battle.
It says a lot for both teams how they've changed their style of play from the 2000s.
I'm expecting Armagh to be surprised how hard it will be for them to pick off scores in the first 35 mins but of course they'll probably score 3 goals now. ;D
Yeah StGallsGAA, maybe take a spare T-shirt with you for the trip home and a large set of headphones.
I hope you don't have to deny knowing Mickey Harte 3 times.
Tyrone are definitely under real pressure for this one. Tyrone supporters could just about accept losing to Dublin in the sf but they would be apoplectic with rage if they lost to a division 3 team especially Armagh. That would be the final nail in the coffin for Harte.
Zzzzzzz
Are you excited Lenny? Will you be going to it in your orange bib?
Hope yer minors go on to win the All Ireland this year.
Did Tyrone U17s play last night?
I think Rory Gallagher is moving to Strabane next, Taylor.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 03, 2017, 12:23:22 PM
Are you excited Lenny? Will you be going to it in your orange bib?
Hope yer minors go on to win the All Ireland this year.
Did Tyrone U17s play last night?
I think Rory Gallagher is moving to Strabane next, Taylor.
The only place for Gallagher is Fermanagh FM.
Strabane is too close for comfort
Please don't anyone mention hairgate again.
Shit, I just did.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: our_fella on August 03, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
Any tickets going? Been let down big style. Been to all games since o'fiach cup. Sickening
There's a thread on the armagh gaa forum with spare tickets if you want to check it out
Just be careful lads! https://tyronetribulations.com/2014/08/02/4000-armagh-fans-duped-into-buying-tickets-for-nally-stand-in-carrickmore/
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 03, 2017, 12:23:22 PM
Are you excited Lenny? Will you be going to it in your orange bib?
Hope yer minors go on to win the All Ireland this year.
Did Tyrone U17s play last night?
I think Rory Gallagher is moving to Strabane next, Taylor.
Cheers fuzzy, we need a bit of success to boost morale in the county. I'm strictly neutral for the senior games on Saturday but I would like to see Monaghan put up a good show v Dublin. I think Tyrone will win the first game by 6 or 7 but if Armagh were disciplined enough to keep their defensive shape I think they could pose Tyrone a few problems.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2017, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: our_fella on August 03, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
Any tickets going? Been let down big style. Been to all games since o'fiach cup. Sickening
There's a thread on the armagh gaa forum with spare tickets if you want to check it out
Just be careful lads! https://tyronetribulations.com/2014/08/02/4000-armagh-fans-duped-into-buying-tickets-for-nally-stand-in-carrickmore/
That is unreal.
Quote from: lenny on August 03, 2017, 12:48:01 PM
Cheers fuzzy, we need a bit of success to boost morale in the county. I'm strictly neutral for the senior games on Saturday but I would like to see Monaghan put up a good show v Dublin. I think Tyrone will win the first game by 6 or 7 but if Armagh were disciplined enough to keep their defensive shape I think they could pose Tyrone a few problems.
First half of the Ulster Final absolutely showed that Tyrone are so beatable if this happens and the scores aren't going over from distance. I know we've put on good scores this year (though really only when the other teams appear to have conceded) and I'm pretty content with the defence, but the long range kicking is still a big concern against a tight defence.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 03, 2017, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2017, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 03, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
Quote from: our_fella on August 03, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
Any tickets going? Been let down big style. Been to all games since o'fiach cup. Sickening
There's a thread on the armagh gaa forum with spare tickets if you want to check it out
Just be careful lads! https://tyronetribulations.com/2014/08/02/4000-armagh-fans-duped-into-buying-tickets-for-nally-stand-in-carrickmore/
That is unreal.
At least Anthony Fearon got there on the correct date😂
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 03, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
Jesus. 37 pages and it's only Thursday and we have the postmortum to come...
Proof it's the game of the championship thus far.
Apparently there's work going on at the toll booths and they're down to just 3 cash lanes. With 3 of the 4 counties involved heading make sure and leave in plenty of time!
Unless you're from Armagh, Sure you's would be grand leaving at 3...
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 03, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
Jesus. 37 pages and it's only Thursday and we have the postmortum to come...
Postmortem easy for Armagh people; venimus, vidimus, vicimus, festus
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 03, 2017, 01:21:37 PM
Apparently there's work going on at the toll booths and they're down to just 3 cash lanes. With 3 of the 4 counties involved heading make sure and leave in plenty of time!
Unless you're from Armagh, Sure you's would be grand leaving at 3...
As regular travellers to the metropolis, Armagh people have toll tags.
Anyone been to the corporate suites before? What can I expect?
Quote from: Under Lights on August 03, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Anyone been to the corporate suites before? What can I expect?
Absolutely NO atmosphere - be as well at home with a turkey dinner on your knee.
QuoteAnyone been to the corporate suites before? What can I expect?
Some AH asking you to step out of the way so he can see the soccer on the TV.
Quote from: WT4E on August 03, 2017, 12:09:13 AM
all I'm saying is that punt kick is wrong trying to put Cavanagh and mckeever on same level by insinuating that Sean is scared of him so therefore is less of a player!
As regards the game tyrone will beat armagh by how much I'm not sure but there not in the same league.
You truly are a gobshite of a human being.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Quote from: Under Lights on August 03, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Anyone been to the corporate suites before? What can I expect?
Depends on who you are with.
If there's nothing organised it's dull. It doesn't have the buzz of people milling about where you could strike up a conversation with anyone.
It's isolated but comfortable.
Quote from: vallankumous on August 03, 2017, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 03, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Anyone been to the corporate suites before? What can I expect?
Depends on who you are with.
If there's nothing organised it's dull. It doesn't have the buzz of people milling about where you could strike up a conversation with anyone.
It's isolated but comfortable.
Depends who owns the box as it's them that provide the food. Can be very nice. The atmosphere is almost non existent in fairness. I noticed people sitting on the sofa watching the match on the tv in the suite as opposed to watching it from their seat 10foot away... beggars belief.
If this hype gets up anymore we're gonna have Des cahill clearing his Friday night schedule to present an impromptu "Up for the match" on RTE.
What size a bags are you all bringing in?
You not leaving the Mrs at home?
Ye bollix.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 01:59:20 PM
What size a bags are you all bringing in?
There will be plenty of small bags of Colombian marching powder floating about on the Hill.
No issues there as there are all smaller than A4 size
Quote from: Under Lights on August 03, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Anyone been to the corporate suites before? What can I expect?
Been a few times, as someone else said shit atmosphere, its good if you don't have a team playing.
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
Quote from: Taylor on August 03, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
There will be plenty of small bags of Colombian marching powder floating about on the Hill.
No issues there as there are all smaller than A4 size
Grow up
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 03, 2017, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 03, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Anyone been to the corporate suites before? What can I expect?
Been a few times, as someone else said shit atmosphere, its good if you don't have a team playing.
Yeah, it's grand when you're not supporting any of the teams playing but I wouldn't fancy being in there for a match I was really interested in.
There seems to be some tickets on sale now.
I imagine that there must be a serious amount of Dubs staying at home for this fixture because I thought this double header would be sold out by now.
Interest in Armagh is massive whilst a good few Tyrone fans are probably saving themselves for the semi final. I still think it will sell out though and most people will stay for at least the first half of the Dubs match or at least for as long as it is competitive.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2017, 03:27:12 PM
I imagine that there must be a serious amount of Dubs staying at home for this fixture because I thought this double header would be sold out by now.
Interest in Armagh is massive whilst a good few Tyrone fans are probably saving themselves for the semi final. I still think it will sell out though and most people will stay for at least the first half of the Dubs match or at least for as long as it is competitive.
80K seats. There was no expectation it would be a sell out.
Quote from: vallankumous on August 03, 2017, 03:31:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 03, 2017, 03:27:12 PM
I imagine that there must be a serious amount of Dubs staying at home for this fixture because I thought this double header would be sold out by now.
Interest in Armagh is massive whilst a good few Tyrone fans are probably saving themselves for the semi final. I still think it will sell out though and most people will stay for at least the first half of the Dubs match or at least for as long as it is competitive.
80K seats. There was no expectation it would be a sell out.
I don't see what it should not sell out.
Each Ulster county would bring 12-15K anyway, you'd have some general interest bringing 4-5k, and then 35,000 Jackeens. Some of the latter are only buying tickets today as they were slow off the ball on Monday.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 03, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 03, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Who gives a damn who got it first??? Cavan, Down, Derry, Donegal all got it before any of us? Do I lose sleep over that? Hell no. Come back when youve won 3.
3?
Tipp, Wexford and Cork have more than 3 and they aren't even football counties
Kildare have more and they stopped in 1928. Cavan and Down have more.
Ahhhh but do you not know they only count from 2003 onwards? :P
Quote from: seafoid on August 03, 2017, 04:30:22 PM
3?
Tipp, Wexford and Cork have more than 3 and they aren't even football counties
Kildare have more and they stopped in 1928. Cavan and Down have more.
Aye but none of those counties are Armagh!
Do you Tyrone ones still wear the umbrella hats?
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 03, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Yeah, but what's it like to lose an All-Ireland final to Tyrone?
Ahhhh Ive missed this!!! Feeling nostalgic here.
Yeah, but what's it like to lose an All-Ireland final to Tyrone?
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It makes us feel like Kerry ;)
Quote from: Imposerous on August 03, 2017, 05:35:44 PM
Yeah, but what's it like to lose an All-Ireland final to Tyrone?
It makes us feel like Kerry ;)
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Well in whingin terms your equal at least... long way to go in terms of cutehoorism tho.
Have a spare ticket for game. Face value. Anyone wants it please pm me.
Tír Eoghain v Ard Mhacha
5ú Lúnasa 2017 @ 4.00pm
Páirc an Chrócaigh
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 62 (19)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 98 (26)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 65 (20)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 100 (27)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 57 (16)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 23 (5)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 119 (40)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 137 (51)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 29 (7)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 8 (3)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 30 ( 8 )
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 20 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 36 (15)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 237 (87)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 93 (30)
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 14 (2)
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)
19 – Frank Burns – Cabhan á Choarthainn – 5 (1)
20 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
21 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
22 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 12 (3)
23 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 75 (28)
24 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 24 (7)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 66 (16)
Bainisteoir: Mickey Harte
Maor Fóirne: Gavin Devlin
Burns for McShane the only change?
Lining out for his club sees Cathal demoted from 26.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 03, 2017, 08:17:58 PM
Tír Eoghain v Ard Mhacha
5ú Lúnasa 2017 @ 4.00pm
Páirc an Chrócaigh
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 62 (19)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 98 (26)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 65 (20)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 100 (27)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 57 (16)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 23 (5)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 119 (40)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 137 (51)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 29 (7)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 8 (3)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 30 ( 8 )
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 20 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 36 (15)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 237 (87)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 93 (30)
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 14 (2)
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)
19 – Frank Burns – Cabhan á Choarthainn – 5 (1)
20 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
21 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
22 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 12 (3)
23 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 75 (28)
24 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 24 (7)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 66 (16)
Bainisteoir: Mickey Harte
Maor Fóirne: Gavin Devlin
Go hiontach trí Ghaeilge.
pm : i:n
am : r.n.
Quote from: seafoid on August 03, 2017, 08:52:29 PM
Go hiontach trí Ghaeilge.
pm : i:n
am : r.n.
Is fíor duit, an iarnóin, go deimhín, ach ba é go direach ón suíomh idirlín Thír Eoghain CLG a bhfuair mé é. ;)
Quote from: Imposerous on August 03, 2017, 05:35:44 PM
Yeah, but what's it like to lose an All-Ireland final to Tyrone?
It makes us feel like Kerry ;)
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10/10 response. ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 03, 2017, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 03, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Who gives a damn who got it first??? Cavan, Down, Derry, Donegal all got it before any of us? Do I lose sleep over that? Hell no. Come back when youve won 3.
And Armagh got it before Tyrone. You care kid. ;)
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Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 03, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Who gives a damn who got it first??? Cavan, Down, Derry, Donegal all got it before any of us? Do I lose sleep over that? Hell no. Come back when youve won 3.
And Armagh got it before Tyrone. You care kid. ;)
What a bizarre line of argument. I can honestly say without fear of contradiction that on the evening of the third Sunday in sept in 2003, 2005 and 2008, my mind did not once wander to Armagh lifting it in 2002. And so comfortable that a lot of Tyrone fans are with this that often you will hear a small bit of credit going Armagh's way as being catalyst that awoke the Tyrone juggernaut. If Tyrone win on Sunday, once again not a person in Tyrone will care one ounce that Armagh won in 2002. But I suppose if it makes you feel a little taller then keep believing that it is an issue.
Oh dear you protest too much. ;D
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 09:47:05 PM
Oh dear you protest too much. ;D
Yep, I'm sure Kerry are devastated that Limerick, Tipp and Cork won the AI before them too. It's a serenity you get from multiple wins....you wouldn't understand! 😜
Prediction:
Armagh 2-15 Tyrone 1-14
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 03, 2017, 09:39:37 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 09:30:33 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 03, 2017, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 03, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 03, 2017, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 12:32:34 AM
It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Who gives a damn who got it first??? Cavan, Down, Derry, Donegal all got it before any of us? Do I lose sleep over that? Hell no. Come back when youve won 3.
And Armagh got it before Tyrone. You care kid. ;)
What a bizarre line of argument. I can honestly say without fear of contradiction that on the evening of the third Sunday in sept in 2003, 2005 and 2008, my mind did not once wander to Armagh lifting it in 2002. And so comfortable that a lot of Tyrone fans are with this that often you will hear a small bit of credit going Armagh's way as being catalyst that awoke the Tyrone juggernaut. If Tyrone win on Sunday, once again not a person in Tyrone will care one ounce that Armagh won in 2002. But I suppose if it makes you feel a little taller then keep believing that it is an issue.
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
Quote from: Orior on August 03, 2017, 10:07:39 PM
Prediction:
Armagh 2-15 Tyrone 1-14
At last, a bit of cold-hearted, clear-eyed, clinically-analysed honesty! ;)
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Prediction:
Armagh 2-15 Tyrone 1-14
At last, a bit of cold-hearted, clear-eyed, clinically-analysed honesty! ;)
Any team putting up 2-15 against Tyrone will be playing some football
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 62 (19)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 98 (26)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 65 (20)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 100 (27)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 57 (16)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 23 (5)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 119 (40)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 137 (51)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 29 (7)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 8 (3)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 30 (8)
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 20 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 36 (15)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 237 (87)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 93 (30)
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 14 (2)
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)
19 – Frank Burns – Cabhan á Choarthainn – 5 (1)
20 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
21 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
22 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 12 (3)
23 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 75 (28)
24 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 24 (7)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 66 (16)
Bainisteoir: Mickey Harte
Maor Fóirne: Gavin Devlin
Looks like it's going to be a good day weather wise. Mixture of sunshine and cloud with a very small chance of a light shower.
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1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 62 (19)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 98 (26)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 65 (20)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 100 (27)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 57 (16)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a'Ghuail – 23 (5)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 119 (40)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 137 (51)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 29 (7)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 8 (3)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 30 (8 )
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a'Chaortainn 20 (6)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 36 (15)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 237 (87)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 93 (30)
16 – Michael O'Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 14 (2)
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)
19 – Frank Burns – Cabhan á Choarthainn – 5 (1)
20 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
21 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
22 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 12 (3)
23 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 75 (28)
24 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 24 (7)
26 – Ronan O'Neill – An Omaigh – 66 (16)
Bainisteoir: Mickey Harte
Maor Fóirne: Gavin Devlin
So good, worth posting a second time, agreed! :)
Quote from: Orior on August 03, 2017, 10:07:39 PM
Prediction:
Armagh 2-15 Tyrone 1-14
Shove yer predictions up yer hole
Mc Shane not on the 26?
I attended the 2005 Ulster final replay on the Saturday evening in CP . I was in Dublin that day when Lk played Antrim in minor hurling Q/f in Parnell . The game was utterly compelling , there was an awful tension there , a bad vibe in the crowd , the players on a edge that was crossed a few times . A lot of bile in the stand besides us.
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Yeah, but what's it like to lose an All-Ireland final to Tyrone?
It makes us feel like Kerry ;)
Well in whingin terms your equal at least... long way to go in terms of cutehoorism tho.
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They could teach the animals a few things about smuggling, Buckfast and causing havoc in Mullingar of a Saturday afternoon, though
Niall Sludden has been motoring along nicely so far this summer, however, I believe he's got more in the tank. Hoping for a big performance from him on Saturday.
Quote from: ONeill on August 03, 2017, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 03, 2017, 10:07:39 PM
Prediction:
Armagh 2-15 Tyrone 1-14
Shove yer predictions up yer hole
Ouch! Wish I'd gone for a prediction comprising of 8's and 0's
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Quote from: Orior on August 03, 2017, 10:07:39 PM
Prediction:
Armagh 2-15 Tyrone 1-14
Shove yer predictions up yer hole
Ouch! Wish I'd gone for a prediction comprising of 8's and 0's
I'm giving mine in Hexademical 1-F 0-D
Murnin is def out for Armagh and so is McKay but team won't be anounced until Sat morning. Murnin is a big loss but we have ample replacements so can't complain too much.
Please stop talking nonsense about who won it first, who cares ffs. Tyrone have had us in their back pockets bar 2014 which was the kick up the hole they needed, the only good thing is we're improving too and i'm realy looking forward to the game but the thought of getting beat is unbearable...PLEASE GOD (not we Pete) NO
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 03, 2017, 10:22:36 AM
That's great news about McAliskey and a very fast recovery from such a bad injury.
Surely it would be madness though to risk him this year, even in the Dublin game (sorry I know the Armagh wans love us looking ahead so I'm just giving them what they want to read)
Was a bit disappointed nobody replied to my post about Tyrone only conceding 5 points in the first half in each of their games so far and then pulling away in the 3rd quarter. Often it means the final quarter is almost a warm down and we let the other team get a few easy scores.
I think Mickey likes to hold a few fast defenders like Rory Brennan back for the second half to inject a bit more speed and urgency into the team in that 3rd quarter to push them through. He knows that period will be crucial against the Dubs and I feel that's his target all year. Of course it's risky to plan that far ahead but as someone already said we've blasted away all other teams before us to date.
I can see Mickey name the same team again though I would love to see McClure in from the start. No harm to Conal, he seems a nice lad and he is a good player but he seems to lack urgency and always seems in 2nd gear unlike Tiernan who works hard all game.
It looks like Meyler, McCurry and McShane have all fallen down the pecking order a bit. I think young Mulgrew has done just OK for one so young and is a big strong lad but do others think he's done better than say McCurry or others.
I wonder is Richie Donnelly near getting a starting place again instead of Mulgrew or maybe we'll see him come on as a sub. Ronan McNabb is another one who seems to have lost out big time this year.
Ronan McNabb is injured, a player of his quality wouldn't be falling down the list, he would be starting
Tickets back up on to tickets.ie, pretty decent upper Hogan avaialble and lower Davin.
Murnin out is a major loss. The pendulum swings towards the Red Hands :-(
Quote from: illdecide on August 03, 2017, 11:54:22 PM
Murnin is def out for Armagh and so is McKay but team won't be anounced until Sat morning. Murnin is a big loss but we have ample replacements so can't complain too much.
Please stop talking nonsense about who won it first, who cares ffs. Tyrone have had us in their back pockets bar 2014 which was the kick up the hole they needed, the only good thing is we're improving too and i'm realy looking forward to the game but the thought of getting beat is unbearable...PLEASE GOD (not we Pete) NO
You do know football has been going on for several years prior to Tyrone winning the all-ireland - I don't know what is worse here the smug Tyronies or the Armagh wans licking the bollocks of them and fueling their smugness.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
Armagh will win it again.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
Armagh will win it again.
Not with the current team.
No one outside of Dubs, Kerry or Tyrone will win it for the next 3/5 years.
Has the Armagh team been announced yet?
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It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Who gives a damn who got it first??? Cavan, Down, Derry, Donegal all got it before any of us? Do I lose sleep over that? Hell no. Come back when youve won 3.
And Armagh got it before Tyrone. You care kid. ;)
What a bizarre line of argument. I can honestly say without fear of contradiction that on the evening of the third Sunday in sept in 2003, 2005 and 2008, my mind did not once wander to Armagh lifting it in 2002. And so comfortable that a lot of Tyrone fans are with this that often you will hear a small bit of credit going Armagh's way as being catalyst that awoke the Tyrone juggernaut. If Tyrone win on Sunday, once again not a person in Tyrone will care one ounce that Armagh won in 2002. But I suppose if it makes you feel a little taller then keep believing that it is an issue.
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
But we didn't win it first, Cavan, Down, Derry and Donegal all won it before us. My biggest regret as an Armagh fan is that out of the 2 Brians/ Big Joe era we only won it once. It matters not that Tyrone got the rub and the ref on a couple of occasions and on others a mistake by one player or another ended the summer.
Quote from: Taylor on August 04, 2017, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: punt kick on August 04, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
Armagh will win it again.
Not with the current team.
No one outside of Dubs, Kerry or Tyrone will win it for the next 3/5 years.
Has the Armagh team been announced yet?
I wouldn't be so sure, Armagh are a coming team they could win in the next 2/3 years if they continue to develop.
Quote from: Taylor on August 04, 2017, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: punt kick on August 04, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
Armagh will win it again.
Not with the current team.
No one outside of Dubs, Kerry or Tyrone will win it for the next 3/5 years.
Has the Armagh team been announced yet?
http://armaghgaa.net/football/armagh-team-v-tyrone/
Haven't looked forward to a Tyrone match as much in a long time-Tyrone v Armagh in Croke Park has something special about it. Fancy Tyrone to win by a few although Armagh have a bit of momentum behind them. Can't remember too many big winning margins in these games.
Travel Alerts:
Pipe laying on Newry Road in Armagh about halfway up the hill. Results in traffic lights and single vehicle passing at all times. Will be an issue on Saturday. Creates long delays in both directions. There is a way around but it isn't easy.
Barrier repair on Aughnacloy to Ballygawley Road about 3/4 mile from Aughnacloy should be finished by Saturday but traffic lights currently in place.
Resurfacing of Great Northern in Omagh. Taking place at night but slowing traffic during the day, should be well on by Saturday. Road closed at night with diversion through town.
Some sort of roadworks about 3 mile out of Monaghan towards Blayney, not sure what is happening.
Quote from: punt kick on August 04, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
Armagh will win it again.
What a bold, balls-on-the-line prediction that is. "We'll win in again..... eventually" ;D
Does anyone remember who won Sam first between Cork and Kerry? Or between Mayo and Galway?? Exactly. The only factor that matters is who has the most.
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It's hard not to look back on that period and think Armagh were fairly shit upon by Tyrone and nothing can make up for that.
Armagh won it first but subsequent games saw it meant nothing. People now talk about the Tyrone-Kerry years; Armagh were default winners in a bad year.
That's what you keep telling yourself when you're crying into your babycham that Armagh beat Tyrone to it - makes 95 even more sore for you all, so close to getting there first. ;D ;D
Christ you are a pair of Tits, double D's.
You can only be first once, three isn't hard to catch - dry your eyes cockhead. ;D
Who gives a damn who got it first??? Cavan, Down, Derry, Donegal all got it before any of us? Do I lose sleep over that? Hell no. Come back when youve won 3.
And Armagh got it before Tyrone. You care kid. ;)
What a bizarre line of argument. I can honestly say without fear of contradiction that on the evening of the third Sunday in sept in 2003, 2005 and 2008, my mind did not once wander to Armagh lifting it in 2002. And so comfortable that a lot of Tyrone fans are with this that often you will hear a small bit of credit going Armagh's way as being catalyst that awoke the Tyrone juggernaut. If Tyrone win on Sunday, once again not a person in Tyrone will care one ounce that Armagh won in 2002. But I suppose if it makes you feel a little taller then keep believing that it is an issue.
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
But we didn't win it first, Cavan, Down, Derry and Donegal all won it before us. My biggest regret as an Armagh fan is that out of the 2 Brians/ Big Joe era we only won it once. It matters not that Tyrone got the rub and the ref on a couple of occasions and on others a mistake by one player or another ended the summer.
Talking about between us and Tyrone.
I agree. We left a couple behind us. Overall I think the backdoor cost us a couple
Quote from: armaghniac on August 03, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
I don't see what it should not sell out.
Each Ulster county would bring 12-15K anyway, you'd have some general interest bringing 4-5k, and then 35,000 Jackeens. Some of the latter are only buying tickets today as they were slow off the ball on Monday.
That's very convenient. it work's out perfectly for a full house.
There's no doubt there's a big crowd expected but a full house will be over expectation from any quarter.
1 (GK) Blaine Hughes Carraig an Chrupain
2 James Morgan Raonaithe na Croise
3 Charlie Vernon Cláirsigh Ard Mhacha
4 Paul Hughes Raonaithe na Croise
5 Brendan Donaghy Cluain Mhor
6 Mark Shields An Chrois Bhan
7 Joe McElroy Clarsigh Ard Mhacha
8 Stephen Sheridan Foirceal
9 Niall Grimley Na Madáin
10 Rory Grugan ( C ) Baile Mhic an Aba
11 Ciaran O'Hanlon Cill Shleibhe
12 Aidan Forker An Machaire
13 Jamie Clarke Raonaithe na Croise
14 Gavin McParland Baile Mhic an Aba
15 Stefan Campbell Clan na Gael
That half back line will be under big pressure.
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Quote from: armaghniac on August 03, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
I don't see what it should not sell out.
Each Ulster county would bring 12-15K anyway, you'd have some general interest bringing 4-5k, and then 35,000 Jackeens. Some of the latter are only buying tickets today as they were slow off the ball on Monday.
That's very convenient. it work's out perfectly for a full house.
Which element of my calculation is wrong?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 04, 2017, 11:04:13 AM
That half back line will be under big pressure.
I expect Forker to be back there and will pick up Peter Harte on the way through and O Hanlon will be back there as well. Campbell, Clarke and McParland will rotate out round the HF line.
Forker doing a marking job on McCann or Harte?
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 04, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Travel Alerts:
Pipe laying on Newry Road in Armagh about halfway up the hill. Results in traffic lights and single vehicle passing at all times. Will be an issue on Saturday. Creates long delays in both directions. There is a way around but it isn't easy.
Barrier repair on Aughnacloy to Ballygawley Road about 3/4 mile from Aughnacloy should be finished by Saturday but traffic lights currently in place.
Resurfacing of Great Northern in Omagh. Taking place at night but slowing traffic during the day, should be well on by Saturday. Road closed at night with diversion through town.
Some sort of roadworks about 3 mile out of Monaghan towards Blayney, not sure what is happening.
That plus the toll bridge being down to 3 lanes. Ye's may leave at 5 in the morning.
Was chatting there to Mickey Harte.
After securing their main objective for the year (another McKenna Cup) every game that Tyrone has now is a bonus.
Quote from: Orior on August 04, 2017, 11:02:19 AM
Murnin a major miss in around full forward. He's a slippy one, always on the move and takes attention of a few defenders to watch him.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 04, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
Which element of my calculation is wrong?
Maybe none of it. I don't know as it's guess work.
I'm just stressing that Croke Park is well able to hold this double header with excess.
In my experience QFS being a sell out, even double headers is very unusual.
Tickets back on sale last night on gaa.ie
One thing I am genuinely baffled by are the accusations that Tyrone's credentials and ability are are not as good as previously thought, given how Derry, Donegal and Down exited the Championship....
Why does hammering Derry (Div 2), Donegal (Div 1) and Down (Div 2) = not tested, while getting beat by Down (Div 2), then just about getting over the line past Fermamagh (Div 2), Westmeath (Div 3), Tipp (Div 3) and a 3 point win over Kildare (Div 2) seem to = great form & ability?
Tyrone have absolutely dominated any teams they met so far from Div 1 & 2, while Armagh have just about managed to beat average teams from Div 3 & 2, certainly they haven't dominated anyone to date.
That's not to say there won't be an upset tomorrow, anything can happen on the day, I'm just mystified by the hype for Armagh vs the dismssal of Tyrone based purely on games to date
Quote from: tyroneman on August 04, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
One thing I am genuinely baffled by are the accusations that Tyrone's credentials and ability are are not as good as previously thought, given how Derry, Donegal and Down exited the Championship....
Why does hammering Derry (Div 2), Donegal (Div 1) and Down (Div 2) = not tested, while getting beat by Down (Div 2), then just about getting over the line past Fermamagh (Div 2), Westmeath (Div 3), Tipp (Div 3) and a 3 point win over Kildare (Div 2) seem to = great form & ability?
Tyrone have absolutely dominated any teams they met so far from Div 1 & 2, while Armagh have just about managed to beat average teams from Div 3 & 2, certainly they haven't dominated anyone to date.
That's not to say there won't be an upset tomorrow, anything can happen on the day, I'm just mystified by the hype for Armagh vs the dismssal of Tyrone based purely on games to date
Quite correct analysis. Armagh are in good "form" it depends on how that form equates at the higher level. Tyrone have strolled it against everyone. We will know more about both teams tomorrow night.
It is the media doing the hyping for the most part to be fair.
I think the questioning of Tyrone being tested is in terms of them winning the all-ireland and not so much to do with the match tomorrow. I think most observers are pointing to the momentum and confidence Armagh have gained from winning a few games in the qualifiers much like Tyrones run in 2015 when we beat Limerick, Tipp, Meath & Sligo. I think you are comparing apples and oranges (pardon the pun) there tyroneman.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 04, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
One thing I am genuinely baffled by are the accusations that Tyrone's credentials and ability are are not as good as previously thought, given how Derry, Donegal and Down exited the Championship....
Why does hammering Derry (Div 2), Donegal (Div 1) and Down (Div 2) = not tested, while getting beat by Down (Div 2), then just about getting over the line past Fermamagh (Div 2), Westmeath (Div 3), Tipp (Div 3) and a 3 point win over Kildare (Div 2) seem to = great form & ability?
Tyrone have absolutely dominated any teams they met so far from Div 1 & 2, while Armagh have just about managed to beat average teams from Div 3 & 2, certainly they haven't dominated anyone to date.
That's not to say there won't be an upset tomorrow, anything can happen on the day, I'm just mystified by the hype for Armagh vs the dismssal of Tyrone based purely on games to date
Agree totally. While I get, being nice and respectful to our neighbours, Tyrone could win this by 10 points. They have a better team, squad, manager and believe it or not; discipline. It could be tight up to 55-60 mins ,but would think Tyrone would push on after that. Only an opinion........
Its definitely in relation to beating Kerry and Dublin and not tomorrows game.
It's true Tyrone have played little quality but the same argument can be labelled at Dublin and to a lesser extent Kerry as Galway are a pretty decent side.
Up Armagh! 8) 8) :P
Quote from: tyroneman on August 04, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
One thing I am genuinely baffled by are the accusations that Tyrone's credentials and ability are are not as good as previously thought, given how Derry, Donegal and Down exited the Championship....
Why does hammering Derry (Div 2), Donegal (Div 1) and Down (Div 2) = not tested, while getting beat by Down (Div 2), then just about getting over the line past Fermamagh (Div 2), Westmeath (Div 3), Tipp (Div 3) and a 3 point win over Kildare (Div 2) seem to = great form & ability?
Tyrone have absolutely dominated any teams they met so far from Div 1 & 2, while Armagh have just about managed to beat average teams from Div 3 & 2, certainly they haven't dominated anyone to date.
That's not to say there won't be an upset tomorrow, anything can happen on the day, I'm just mystified by the hype for Armagh vs the dismssal of Tyrone based purely on games to date
It doesn't really matter either way. Both teams are there based on hard work and getting it right when it mattered. Armagh and Monaghan feel they should have beat Down at the first time of asking. Especially Armagh, but they constantly made the wrong decisions.
Tyrone beat Derry and were then dismissed by Mayo who aren't exactly playing well. Then moving on to Donegal, this can only be described as a collapse to a peak performing Galway who then went out rather tamely to Kerry.So yeah, Tyrone haven't exactly played anything yet.
Armagh on the otherhand are pretty much in the same position. They have beat Fermanagh, Westmeath with 14 men, then beat Tipperary where they were bound to have some mentality concerns regarding what happened in the last league game and then they beat a much fancied Kildare.
I would say that both teams havent really been tested but sure that's why they're in the last 8. Tyrone definitely have the advantage though. They are Ulster champions, have a playing system they are comfortable with, and are racking up big scores. However, it doesn't mean Armagh cannot be optimistic. We have all been saying for a while that there is a very good team that will give division 1 teams a headache and we are excited about it.
Personally, I don't think Armagh will win as Tyrone have a system that they are comfortable with and this Armagh team is exciting but in the early stages of its development.
Tyrone -5 is a great bet.
The only danger to that is if we take the foot off the gas when the game is won and the referee gives soft frees to Armagh as happened in the Down game
QuoteAgree totally. While I get, being nice and respectful to our neighbours, Tyrone could win this by 10 points. They have a better team, squad, manager and believe it or not; discipline. It could be tight up to 55-60 mins ,but would think Tyrone would push on after that. Only an opinion........
I think if it's tight after 55 or 60 mins, Armagh are in with a great shout at causing a major upset. I agree with everything Tyroneman said, and an Armagh win tomorrow would be a major upset. Tyrone are a more accomplished outfit, and something that I'm sure Armagh will aspire to be in a year or two. So, the head says Tyrone by 5, the heart has that little feeling that anything can happen on the day, and I guess thats why we travel in such numbers to these games. Come on Armagh!
Armagh do not thrive against tight defences and have been prone to giving away frees. So you'd expect Tyrone to keep the score down and go up the field and score more. But if the gap is not too great there is always a chance of an Armagh goal and narrow victory.
Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
12 long years patiently waiting for another Croke Park showdown to right the injustice of 05 when Russell,in an attempt to curry favour with Tyrone for 1995,awarded Tyrone a match winning easy free.
This match is winnable,imagine the karma of sending Harte and Cavanagh into retirement prematurely
I really don't care what happens Tyrone.
It's another step up for us and a bigger step than the ones negotiated in recent weeks.
The big question is do we stick with the open attractive football that has got us this far against potentially the best defence/defensive system in the country? Or do we try to match them. I think we have to do the former and be clever about it. Rain a few high balls down on the square so that Colm can't stray too far from goal. Put Clarke and Campbell wide. If Tyrone want to go man for man on them that's fine by me. If they want to put a sweeper in front of them then the 3 sweepers across the full width of the Full back line is going to give them problems elsewhere.
Cut down the fouls and keep the width and we have a chance. Fail to either of those and I would fear for us.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 04, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
Armagh do not thrive against tight defences and have been prone to giving away frees. So you'd expect Tyrone to keep the score down and go up the field and score more. But if the gap is not too great there is always a chance of an Armagh goal and narrow victory.
Staaaappp. Can't even contemplate that right now. It can't happen, it just can't. :-\
Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
12 long years patiently waiting for another Croke Park showdown to right the injustice of 05 when Russell,in an attempt to curry favour with Tyrone for 1995,awarded Tyrone a match winning easy free.
This match is winnable,imagine the karma of sending Harte and Cavanagh into retirement prematurely
What injustice? It Was far from an easy free.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 04, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
Armagh do not thrive against tight defences and have been prone to giving away frees. So you'd expect Tyrone to keep the score down and go up the field and score more. But if the gap is not too great there is always a chance of an Armagh goal and narrow victory.
Staaaappp. Can't even contemplate that right now. It can't happen, it just can't. :-\
73 mins in, full house in Croke Park, Tyrone 2 points ahead having missed a couple of easy ones, ball drops into Tyrone square and is scrambled over the line. Massive roar from the crowd, ref calls it a day. A Carlsberg QF.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 04, 2017, 11:04:13 AM
That half back line will be under big pressure.
Why so? Or why under any more pressure than the rest of the team?
Armagh +5 that's the bet for me, this'll be a tough battle with the possibility of a sending off or 2, hope the ref uses a bit of common sense!
Quote from: Targetman on August 04, 2017, 01:29:20 PM
Armagh +5 that's the bet for me, this'll be a tough battle with the possibility of a sending off or 2, hope the ref uses a bit of common sense!
What would your rationale be for this?
No team has achieved this so far in c'ship so you are saying Armagh are better than all the teams Tyrone have played?
QuoteNo team has achieved this so far in c'ship so you are saying Armagh are better than all the teams Tyrone have played?
I think that's what Targetman is saying and I'd agree with him on that so far in this year's championship ... still think Tyrone are hot favourites for tomorrow though.
Quote from: Targetman on August 04, 2017, 01:29:20 PM
Armagh +5 that's the bet for me, this'll be a tough battle with the possibility of a sending off or 2, hope the ref uses a bit of common sense!
Aye and sends off 3 Tyrone men (just for being from Tyrone)
Quote from: armaghniac on August 04, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 04, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
Armagh do not thrive against tight defences and have been prone to giving away frees. So you'd expect Tyrone to keep the score down and go up the field and score more. But if the gap is not too great there is always a chance of an Armagh goal and narrow victory.
Staaaappp. Can't even contemplate that right now. It can't happen, it just can't. :-\
73 mins in, full house in Croke Park, Tyrone 2 points ahead having missed a couple of easy ones, ball drops into Tyrone square and is scrambled over the line. Massive roar from the crowd, ref calls it a day. A Carlsberg QF.
Would you offer us a replay or do a Meath, take a hollow victory and be forever damnified.
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
Tyrone beat Derry and were then dismissed by Mayo who aren't exactly playing well. Then moving on to Donegal, this can only be described as a collapse to a peak performing Galway who then went out rather tamely to Kerry.So yeah, Tyrone haven't exactly played anything yet.
Did Derry not nearly beat Mayo?? - only for poor decision making from Kielt they should have IMO. Ran out of steam in ET so would hardly say Mayo dismissed Derry in any great fashion!
Armagh by 4
mc keever to get a black card for dragging down sean cav in the last minutes
Quote from: WT4E on August 04, 2017, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
Tyrone beat Derry and were then dismissed by Mayo who aren't exactly playing well. Then moving on to Donegal, this can only be described as a collapse to a peak performing Galway who then went out rather tamely to Kerry.So yeah, Tyrone haven't exactly played anything yet.
Did Derry not nearly beat Mayo?? - only for poor decision making from Kielt they should have IMO. Ran out of steam in ET so would hardly say Mayo dismissed Derry in any great fashion!
There are many ways to look at how that game could have gone. You can't change the facts, and that is Mayo won (yes in ET) by 11 points.
Tyrone will win this with a bit to spare. Armagh been talked up a lot and yes good performance last week but it took a savage effort from them to beat a tactically niave kildare team. When armagh faced a defensive team ( down second half and westmeath) they have been poor and I expect something similair tommorrow night with the tyrone set up. Easy to kick it in when its 2 v2 in 50 yeards of space but that won't happen tommorrow night and for me we'll see armagh all at sea. Also for all the talk of being a young team donaghey and vernon at back are well into 30's and will find it hard to recover from last week. I think tyrone by 7/8 with a 5 point half time lead.
Quote from: the goal was on on August 04, 2017, 03:47:29 PM
Tyrone will win this with a bit to spare. Armagh been talked up a lot and yes good performance last week but it took a savage effort from them to beat a tactically niave kildare team. When armagh faced a defensive team ( down second half and westmeath) they have been poor and I expect something similair tommorrow night with the tyrone set up. Easy to kick it in when its 2 v2 in 50 yeards of space but that won't happen tommorrow night and for me we'll see armagh all at sea. Also for all the talk of being a young team donaghey and vernon at back are well into 30's and will find it hard to recover from last week. I think tyrone by 7/8 with a 5 point half time lead.
Would hardly say they are well into their 30's. 30 to 31 at the most.
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 04, 2017, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
Tyrone beat Derry and were then dismissed by Mayo who aren't exactly playing well. Then moving on to Donegal, this can only be described as a collapse to a peak performing Galway who then went out rather tamely to Kerry.So yeah, Tyrone haven't exactly played anything yet.
Did Derry not nearly beat Mayo?? - only for poor decision making from Kielt they should have IMO. Ran out of steam in ET so would hardly say Mayo dismissed Derry in any great fashion!
There are many ways to look at how that game could have gone. You can't change the facts, and that is Mayo won (yes in ET) by 11 points.
May & Derry drew after 70 minutes - Tyrone beat Derry by 11 points in 70 minutes.
Quote from: square_ball on August 04, 2017, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: WT4E on August 04, 2017, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
Tyrone beat Derry and were then dismissed by Mayo who aren't exactly playing well. Then moving on to Donegal, this can only be described as a collapse to a peak performing Galway who then went out rather tamely to Kerry.So yeah, Tyrone haven't exactly played anything yet.
Did Derry not nearly beat Mayo?? - only for poor decision making from Kielt they should have IMO. Ran out of steam in ET so would hardly say Mayo dismissed Derry in any great fashion!
There are many ways to look at how that game could have gone. You can't change the facts, and that is Mayo won (yes in ET) by 11 points.
May & Derry drew after 70 minutes - Tyrone beat Derry by 11 points in 70 minutes.
Think you fellas are missing my point slightly. I will put it this way, if Tyrone played Mayo tomorrow, I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyrone win by 7+ just because Mayo are playing s***e at the moment. Mayo beat Derry so it just shows that Tyrone's win over Derry doesn't say a lot about where Tyrone are at.
I've a spare ticket in the Lower Davin if anyone is short, pm me.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 04, 2017, 09:49:36 AM
Quote from: punt kick on August 04, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
I, like most other Armagh fans I'd imagine, would swap winning it first for having multiple wins. In a heartbeat
Armagh will win it again.
What a bold, balls-on-the-line prediction that is. "We'll win in again..... eventually" ;D
Does anyone remember who won Sam first between Cork and Kerry? Or between Mayo and Galway?? Exactly. The only factor that matters is who has the most.
I bet people in those counties do.
Armagh have the belief back and when that happens who's to say how far they will go.
I believe Geezer and Co have brought their 2005 Ulster medals with them and are ready to fire them at the wall ala Joe Keenan 2002.
The sight of a white shirt with the red hand is enough to motivate any Armagh team, no matter what has come before.
No need for tactics or defensive systems when you're biggest rivals need taking down a peg or two.
They know these red hand defenders have one eye on the Dubs and it's a perfect time for an ambush.
They know they have not really been put to the pin of their collar and they have nothing to lose on the big stage.
This is McGeeney's biggest chance to prove he has what it takes to be a top notch manager and put his old adversary to the sword once and for all.
Oui garcon, Un autre verre de vin rouge si vous plait
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
Armagh have the belief back and when that happens who's to say how far they will go.
I believe Geezer and Co have brought their 2005 Ulster medals with them and are ready to fire them at the wall ala Joe Keenan 2002.
The sight of a white shirt with the red hand is enough to motivate any Armagh team, no matter what has come before.
No need for tactics or defensive systems when you're biggest rivals need taking down a peg or two.
They know these red hand defenders have one eye on the Dubs and it's a perfect time for an ambush.
They know they have not really been put to the pin of their collar and they have nothing to lose on the big stage.
This is McGeeney's biggest chance to prove he has what it takes to be a top notch manager and put his old adversary to the sword once and for all.
Oui garcon, Un autre verre de vin rouge si vous plait
You arent helping my nerves Fuzzman.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
Armagh have the belief back and when that happens who's to say how far they will go.
I believe Geezer and Co have brought their 2005 Ulster medals with them and are ready to fire them at the wall ala Joe Keenan 2002.
The sight of a white shirt with the red hand is enough to motivate any Armagh team, no matter what has come before.
No need for tactics or defensive systems when you're biggest rivals need taking down a peg or two.
They know these red hand defenders have one eye on the Dubs and it's a perfect time for an ambush.
They know they have not really been put to the pin of their collar and they have nothing to lose on the big stage.
This is McGeeney's biggest chance to prove he has what it takes to be a top notch manager and put his old adversary to the sword once and for all.
Oui garcon, Un autre verre de vin rouge si vous plait
You arent helping my nerves Fuzzman.
You have nothing to be nervous about
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
Armagh have the belief back and when that happens who's to say how far they will go.
I believe Geezer and Co have brought their 2005 Ulster medals with them and are ready to fire them at the wall ala Joe Keenan 2002.
The sight of a white shirt with the red hand is enough to motivate any Armagh team, no matter what has come before.
No need for tactics or defensive systems when you're biggest rivals need taking down a peg or two.
They know these red hand defenders have one eye on the Dubs and it's a perfect time for an ambush.
They know they have not really been put to the pin of their collar and they have nothing to lose on the big stage.
This is McGeeney's biggest chance to prove he has what it takes to be a top notch manager and put his old adversary to the sword once and for all.
Oui garcon, Un autre verre de vin rouge si vous plait
You arent helping my nerves Fuzzman.
You have nothing to be nervous about
I wasnt half as bad for Mayo last year and it was far tighter on paper.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 05:28:29 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 05:26:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 04, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
Armagh have the belief back and when that happens who's to say how far they will go.
I believe Geezer and Co have brought their 2005 Ulster medals with them and are ready to fire them at the wall ala Joe Keenan 2002.
The sight of a white shirt with the red hand is enough to motivate any Armagh team, no matter what has come before.
No need for tactics or defensive systems when you're biggest rivals need taking down a peg or two.
They know these red hand defenders have one eye on the Dubs and it's a perfect time for an ambush.
They know they have not really been put to the pin of their collar and they have nothing to lose on the big stage.
This is McGeeney's biggest chance to prove he has what it takes to be a top notch manager and put his old adversary to the sword once and for all.
Oui garcon, Un autre verre de vin rouge si vous plait
You arent helping my nerves Fuzzman.
You have nothing to be nervous about
I wasnt half as bad for Mayo last year and it was far tighter on paper.
Don't think Armagh are at the same level. It is a derby but Armagh don't do well against a team that sets up defensively.
Is there a Tyrone v Dublin thread started yet - I wanna go somewhere that punt kick isn't?
Quote from: WT4E on August 04, 2017, 05:43:24 PM
Is there a Tyrone v Dublin thread started yet - I wanna go somewhere that punt kick isn't?
Don't think there will be any complaints if you started one
Armagh won't be winning, simple as.
I was for backing Tyrone to win the All Ireland a few weeks back but never followed through and cant do it now. They are genuine contenders. Armagh are really only starting to improve, we've a great platform to build from, a win tomorrow is definitely possible but very unlikely in my honest opinion.
I think there's a big performance in Monaghan too.
Interesting that this thread has 47 pages and the Dublin v Monaghan thread (the supposed highlight) only has 3.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
Interesting that this thread has 47 pages and the Dublin v Monaghan thread (the supposed highlight) only has 3.
It is only 630 posts behind
Quote from: Solo_run on August 04, 2017, 06:37:51 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
Interesting that this thread has 47 pages and the Dublin v Monaghan thread (the supposed highlight) only has 3.
It is only 630 posts behind
I suppose that, in fairness, there's nothing like a rekindled footballing enmity of old, to stir the embers of a not-so-long-forgotten frenzy of message board exchanges! Long may she reign! ;)
Does anyone have a rough idea what is the 1st row covered by the roof. Our tickets are for row V so wondering about coats for kids. There may be a very showers knocking around. If imagine we won't be far enough back to escape any rogue downpours.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea what is the 1st row covered by the roof. Our tickets are for row V so wondering about coats for kids. There may be a very showers knocking around. If imagine we won't be far enough back to escape any rogue downpours.
Bring wet gear for the childer. It's double e or double f backwards that's covered. But even at that it has a tendency to blow in.
Omagh Gael I was there last Sat and Sun. Sat in the bottom tier of Cusack and even though the roof was well over our heads, it still blows in unless your right underneath the stand near the back.
On Sunday I was in the premium 505 Cusack and again the rain was blowing in a bit with people going back inside at times.
So depends on the rain, wind and your tolerance. I'd recommend bring rain coats anyway and even leave a change of clothes in the car just in case. I've got soaked loads of time in Croker and glad I didn't have to go back to Tyrone on the wet clothes.
Where do people park these days coming down from the North. I see all the streets around Drumcondra now are 24 hrs Sun to Mon. Very unfair. Over near Fairview and North strand is free on Sundays. Just don't leave anything out on view or pay the lockhards.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea what is the 1st row covered by the roof. Our tickets are for row V so wondering about coats for kids. There may be a very showers knocking around. If imagine we won't be far enough back to escape any rogue downpours.
It obviously depends on the wind but I use AA as a rule of thumb. I was in AA one day and was bone dry while the row in front of me were getting drowned.
Quote from: straightred on August 04, 2017, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea what is the 1st row covered by the roof. Our tickets are for row V so wondering about coats for kids. There may be a very showers knocking around. If imagine we won't be far enough back to escape any rogue downpours.
It obviously depends on the wind but I use AA as a rule of thumb. I was in AA one day and was bone dry while the row in front of me were getting drowned.
I was in R on Sunday and I barely got a bit of rain on me.
Quote from: straightred on August 04, 2017, 08:40:48 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea what is the 1st row covered by the roof. Our tickets are for row V so wondering about coats for kids. There may be a very showers knocking around. If imagine we won't be far enough back to escape any rogue downpours.
It obviously depends on the wind but I use AA as a rule of thumb. I was in AA one day and was bone dry while the row in front of me were getting drowned.
They were probably getting the edge drip thats the danger of being on the periphery
Cheers lads. Will be bringing wet gear for kids regardless but was curious about coverage anyway. I've always been in upper deck or well down the front of lower. Never ended up in the border (coverage) regions.
When I drive down I usually go through port tunnel and up east wall road to the Cusack side. However, with all the talk of traffic jams tomorrow I might head over Fintona to Lisnaskea and down the N3. Anyone else going that route?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
Cheers lads. Will be bringing wet gear for kids regardless but was curious about coverage anyway. I've always been in upper deck or well down the front of lower. Never ended up in the border (coverage) regions.
When I drive down I usually go through port tunnel and up east wall road to the Cusack side. However, with all the talk of traffic jams tomorrow I might head over Fintona to Lisnaskea and down the N3. Anyone else going that route?
What about taking the traditional route and heading straight on down the N2 at Ardee? Does anybody even do that anymore?
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 04, 2017, 09:03:41 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 08:58:53 PM
Cheers lads. Will be bringing wet gear for kids regardless but was curious about coverage anyway. I've always been in upper deck or well down the front of lower. Never ended up in the border (coverage) regions.
When I drive down I usually go through port tunnel and up east wall road to the Cusack side. However, with all the talk of traffic jams tomorrow I might head over Fintona to Lisnaskea and down the N3. Anyone else going that route?
What about taking the traditional route and heading straight on down the N2 at Ardee? Does anybody even do that anymore?
It's so crowded nobody goes there anymore...said Yogi Berra of New York Yankees fame
I was just talking to my brother about that option but the thinking was a lot of people will go that way too, especially with the much talked about toll booth issues on the M1.
I've obviously not done it on match days now for years but where does it start getting heavy?
I'd say if you came down the malahide road it would be a lot less busy or even parked out near Malahide and got the dart in.
Is the dart a separate train than those heading down from the north? Does it stop at Croke park?
No, DART doesn't stop at Drumcondra but the commuter line does - drive out to Castleknock or Ashtown and get train in from there.
So if I drive in N3 I can park up at train station and it would take you to Croke park? What train do you get on? That could work out great. Less walking for kids.
Yeah I lived around Ashtown for a short while and it was v handy, just a few stops to Quinns Pub. Coming into Dublin over the M50, take first left before Travelodge, then turn right onto River Road. You'll pass a rugby club and then a housing dev on right. Ashtown station is in through the development near the supermarket. No idea what parking is like but all the people who live there during wk will head home so should be space.
Look up Irish Rail journey planner - train in at 3pm, ideal.
Oh, and there's no other train so if it stops, get on it!
Tyrone will win tomorrow we are a couple of years behind. Hopefully Monaghan will derail the Spree for 3!
I'm crapping myself
Memories of the 00s:
Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.
Quote from: Rois on August 04, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
Yeah I lived around Ashtown for a short while and it was v handy, just a few stops to Quinns Pub. Coming into Dublin over the M50, take first left before Travelodge, then turn right onto River Road. You'll pass a rugby club and then a housing dev on right. Ashtown station is in through the development near the supermarket. No idea what parking is like but all the people who live there during wk will head home so should be space.
Look up Irish Rail journey planner - train in at 3pm, ideal.
Oh, and there's no other train so if it stops, get on it!
Deadly Rois, will definitely look into that. Is it hard to get on a train on the return journey?
Chinese Horoscope time - 5th August
The Rat (no hint needed)
Brace yourself and your family for some sort of upheaval in the near future. Although this will likely constitute a major change for the ****, the frenzy will cause some physical stress. Your digestion, in particular, might suffer some ailments due to anxiety, so watch your diet and make attempts to relax.
The Rabbit (Armagh)
The hard work that you've put in, along with your eagerness and limitless creative energy, might pay off soon. This potential rise in status will undoubtedly put a certain strut in your step, which is certainly well deserved. Flaunt yourself, be proud, and continue being a star.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Memories of the 00s:
Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01 Wasn't Mugsy sporting the natural ginger look thst day?
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.
Can I add big Sean putting Francis on his hoop and McDonnell and McConville's double pick up off the ground for Oisin goal in the Ulster Final first game in 2005!
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:10:23 PM
I'm crapping myself
Shure you are, you are arrogant, I will give you that!
Quote from: stew on August 04, 2017, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:10:23 PM
I'm crapping myself
Shure you are, you are arrogant, I will give you that!
Ah, not arrogant Stew.
We're a better breed of people just, going right back to 1180.
Tyrone should not be losing to Armagh. But, if we do and McKeever gets someone sent off then it's curtains for the current experiment.
We are the only side capable of messing with the Dubs. Armagh will bend over. But a derby is a derby and like in '02 and '05, you could beat a better side.
Armagh players, who is the Barry Duffy among you?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 10:18:58 PM
Deadly Rois, will definitely look into that. Is it hard to get on a train on the return journey?
I remember it being quite crowded but if the second match is a walkover, you could leave a bit early and make sure you beat the Dubs onto it. Only a few stops so even if you have to stand, it's not so bad.
The area I think is called Rathborne and the part I lived in was Pelletstown Manor so you could stick either of those in google maps/sat nav when you're coming in the N3.
Had a look there on Google maps and it's Navan parkway station and the Maynooth service that take you into Drumcondra. Tired to buy tickets on line but it said every service was unavailable. I'm assuming they can't be purchased online? Even trains first thing in morning are booked up. There's a train at 2pm into Drumcondra and services leaving at 6pm and 7pm back out. Could be perfect.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Memories of the 00s:
Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.
You don't remember Diarmuid Marsden being cheated off the pitch?
I remember Marsden boxing Jordan up the jaw.
Some amount of spare tickets floating about
Dubs must be going to watch Liverpool
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Memories of the 00s:
Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01 Wasn't Mugsy sporting the natural ginger look thst day?
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.
Can I add big Sean putting Francis on his hoop and McDonnell and McConville's double pick up off the ground for Oisin goal in the Ulster Final first game in 2005!
Near forgot about that pickup till I watched the highlights the other night
Would also like to add McKeevers face after the foul looking like his heart had dropped to his feet.
McGeeny looking on stoically proving that he is a borg with no soul.
Philly soldiering on bravely after getting socked by Marsden.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:52:29 PM
I remember Marsden boxing Jordan up the jaw.
Yeap, that's what happened, lol.
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 04, 2017, 11:03:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Memories of the 00s:
Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01 Wasn't Mugsy sporting the natural ginger look thst day?
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.
Can I add big Sean putting Francis on his hoop and McDonnell and McConville's double pick up off the ground for Oisin goal in the Ulster Final first game in 2005!
Near forgot about that pickup till I watched the highlights the other night
Would also like to add McKeevers face after the foul looking like his heart had dropped to his feet.
McGeeny looking on stoically proving that he is a borg with no soul.
Philly soldiering on bravely after getting socked by Marsden.
Enda McGinley soldiering on with a broken neck in 2003
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Memories of the 00s:
Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01 Wasn't Mugsy sporting the natural ginger look thst day?
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.
Can I add big Sean putting Francis on his hoop and McDonnell and McConville's double pick up off the ground for Oisin goal in the Ulster Final first game in 2005!
How about Devine stepping behind the line from Aaron's free kick (drawn final)?
Was never over, Benny;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 04, 2017, 11:35:31 PM
Was never over, Benny;)
Stevie Wonder was in the Canal End that day, and even he said the ball was over the line!
Fair enough, we'll give you that one.
If you're heading down the road Joe McMahon, Enda McGinley, Paul Hearty and Enda McNulty are on off the ball at 1pm.
Devine's spatial awareness is right
SON getting the line for a shoulder
McGrane taking McGuigan out of it after throwin 05SF?
Ricey gettin the line for missing McEntee's head with his knee.... and then getting it rescinded as it was a valiant effort
Mugsy kicking M O Rourke in the shins
Mugsy hitting Hearty in face with water bottle
Mugsy constantly thumping at Francie
Hughes clotheslining Paddy McKeever
O Neill late tackle ends Toal's career
Ricey wasn't sent off for that 'slip' he was yellow carded and suspended retrospectively. Ferghal then worked his magic ;)
Just watched the 2005 Ulster final replay highlights forgot how bad the Michael Collins was.
Was there a worse refereeing performance at the level before or since.
Did he get any games after that?
Some Talk of Beal na blath after that game.
Geezer hitting Dooher.
2005 sf the best game i was at. That day i was moving to limerick to move in with my now wife. She says that she seriously had second thoughts that day as i screamed, drooled and cried my way through that match. My main memories of that game-Cavanagh's galloping runs, the point, the graciousness of armagh fans in defeat, some tyrone lads singing, "you can shove your Ulster title up your ****", moving to Limerick.
Quote from: Orior on August 04, 2017, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:52:29 PM
I remember Marsden boxing Jordan up the jaw.
Yeap, that's what happened, lol.
Marsden was out here coaching a few years back and he had a few jars in him and he said to me and I quote
QuoteI boxed that Jordan fella upside the jaw. I didn't think either umpires saw it.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
Mugsy kicking M O Rourke in the shins
Mugsy hitting Hearty in face with water bottle
Mugsy constantly thumping at Francie
Hughes clotheslining Paddy McKeever
O Neill late tackle ends Toal's career
Wasnt he back the year after playing ringaringarosies with Paul Galvin?....On a serious note wasnt he lucky he didnt loose the leg?
Lets not forget about Block dummy on Hearty for his goal in 09 game in Clones.
SON scored a cracker in that one too
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 05, 2017, 03:36:35 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
Mugsy kicking M O Rourke in the shins
Mugsy hitting Hearty in face with water bottle
Mugsy constantly thumping at Francie
Hughes clotheslining Paddy McKeever
O Neill late tackle ends Toal's career
Wasnt he back the year after playing ringaringarosies with Paul Galvin?....On a serious note wasnt he lucky he didnt loose the leg?
That's one of the meanest, ill spirited quips I have seen here. I thought we were better than that😇.
Ending a young man's career/dreams is not something to trivialize.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
Memories of the 00s:
Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.
I was chatting John Devine. He wan't impressed at all. Said he had it covered and Gorrmley stole his moment being the selfish Carmen b**tard he is.
Nail Clarke early on and we have half the job done.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 05, 2017, 01:30:44 AM
2005 sf the best game i was at. That day i was moving to limerick to move in with my now wife. She says that she seriously had second thoughts that day as i screamed, drooled and cried my way through that match. My main memories of that game-Cavanagh's galloping runs, the point, the graciousness of armagh fans in defeat, some tyrone lads singing, "you can shove your Ulster title up your ****", moving to Limerick.
And the pitch invasion. I remember packie being lifted up on shoulders and the crowd going "We want Sam, We want Sam"
Quote from: WT4E on August 05, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Just watched the 2005 Ulster final replay highlights forgot how bad the Michael Collins was.
Was there a worse refereeing performance at the level before or since.
Did he get any games after that?
He had a terrible day. Completely lost control of it. Was certainly around for a few years after that doing provincial games. Don't know if he got anymore big fixtures.
Safe travels to everyone today. Banter aside, I hope we get a game that confirms Ulster as the best footballing province. Prediction - Tyrone 2-19 Armagh 0-8
Cloudy but dry start to the day in Dublin, and safe travels you all, and here's to a memorable footballing day: Tyrone 2-15, Armagh 1-09 ;)
Quote from: omochain on August 05, 2017, 05:10:38 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 05, 2017, 03:36:35 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
Mugsy kicking M O Rourke in the shins
Mugsy hitting Hearty in face with water bottle
Mugsy constantly thumping at Francie
Hughes clotheslining Paddy McKeever
O Neill late tackle ends Toal's career
Wasnt he back the year after playing ringaringarosies with Paul Galvin?....On a serious note wasnt he lucky he didnt loose the leg?
That's one of the meanest, ill spirited quips I have seen here. I thought we were better than that😇.
Ending a young man's career/dreams is not something to trivialize.
Steady on it wasnt a quip I read somewhere it was only skin and blood vessels holding his leg on. But he was back the next year for that little dance with Galvin so I was wondering did he get any game time or did the injury ultimately prove to severe to come back?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 05, 2017, 02:19:36 AM
Quote from: Orior on August 04, 2017, 11:10:02 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:52:29 PM
I remember Marsden boxing Jordan up the jaw.
Yeap, that's what happened, lol.
Marsden was out here coaching a few years back and he had a few jars in him and he said to me and I quote
QuoteI boxed that Jordan fella upside the jaw. I didn't think either umpires saw it.
Worse than that, Mr Jordan never apologised to Diarmuid.
Yes in marsdens defence I never had him as a dirty player, it was out of character too and thank God it had no bearing on the result and with medical help Jordan was fit to continue.
On another note Just left a cafe there in portadown mc Geeney was watching a video of Tyrone Meath 1996. Wasn't there a few UFC moves in that game.
Anyway to the red hand army and the orangemen and the others. Safe travel and here's to a Tyrone Monaghan aisf
Fair play to those Tyrone men who are heading to the Gay Pride parade before driving to Dublin. You know who you are!
We win today. Monaghan win. Roscommon beat Mayo and then Kerry. We beat Monaghan. That's the final everyone wants to see.
In seriousness. Safe travels to everyone. Hoping for a good game and we aren't talking about refs afterwards. 99% sure Tyrone have too much for us and hoping we give a good account of ourselves. Something to build on for next year and beyond
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 05, 2017, 03:36:35 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
Mugsy kicking M O Rourke in the shins
Mugsy hitting Hearty in face with water bottle
Mugsy constantly thumping at Francie
Hughes clotheslining Paddy McKeever
O Neill late tackle ends Toal's career
Wasnt he back the year after playing ringaringarosies with Paul Galvin?....On a serious note wasnt he lucky he didnt loose the leg?
He was indeed lucky to keep the leg however there was no one to blame regarding the accident, complete fluke.
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: stew on August 04, 2017, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 04, 2017, 10:10:23 PM
I'm crapping myself
Shure you are, you are arrogant, I will give you that!
Ah, not arrogant Stew.
We're a better breed of people just, going right back to 1180.
Tyrone should not be losing to Armagh. But, if we do and McKeever gets someone sent off then it's curtains for the current experiment.
We are the only side capable of messing with the Dubs. Armagh will bend over. But a derby is a derby and like in '02 and '05, you could beat a better side.
Maybe arrogant is too strong Shane, sarcastic for sure, you are very confident today, crapping yourself, I think not!
Anyhow be safe today Shane and enjoy the games. hopefully you go home crushed but consider it money well spent.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2017, 08:02:03 AM
Safe travels to everyone today. Banter aside, I hope we get a game that confirms Ulster as the best footballing province. Prediction - Tyrone 2-19 Armagh 0-8
Yes. Can see Armagh getting a late flurry of points.
In the drawn 05 game Bellew cracked 2 of PTG's ribs, hence the scuba gear under his shirt when the then "wee runt" McKeever assaulted him in the replay getting both sent off.
Poetic justice then that it was McKeever who fouled O'Neill in the final minutes of the AISF thus allowing PTG to step up and win the game.
If this rain keeps up I fear for Armagh. Should suit the defensive sluggers and Armagh will do well to score 10 points against the GAA's biggest proponents of catanaccio.
Quote from: rrhf on August 05, 2017, 07:51:51 AM
Nail Clarke early on and we have half the job done.
Nail = Stick fingers in his eyes, perhaps?
This is a song about a woman from Armagh
https://youtu.be/WpBejjhTi_I
I am sure that if she was around she would be a fan.
Best of luck to Armagh today, my own modern county of Derry was also in Tír Eoghain in medieval times as was Inishowen but modern Tyrone hijacked the name for themselves.
Tyrone the only county in Ireland named after a Donegal man.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2017, 10:07:26 AM
If this rain keeps up I fear for Armagh. Should suit the defensive sluggers and Armagh will do well to score 10 points against the GAA's biggest proponents of catanaccio.
No rain here in Dublin, it's a grand day
Quote from: Aughafad on August 05, 2017, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 05, 2017, 10:07:26 AM
If this rain keeps up I fear for Armagh. Should suit the defensive sluggers and Armagh will do well to score 10 points against the GAA's biggest proponents of catanaccio.
No rain here in Dublin, it's a grand day
Just started raining now
I spoke too soon
Traffic at clarehall is wile.
Hang a left and go Malahide road to Fairview. Anyone further back turn off for M50 and go on N32 then down Malahide Rd
A bit of advice for anyone heading back on the train towards Belfast, you can reserve your seat online for €2.50. It'll save you a lot of hassle as they were packed this morning
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The stat that definitively dispels the myth about Tyrone's lack of scoring power
Tyrone have scored more than any Ulster champion since 1940 this year - and the second highest tally in that time was theirs from last year as well. Picture by Seamus Loughran
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Topics Anglo-Celt GAA scoring charts tyrone
NO team since the 1930s has averaged a higher score than Tyrone did in winning the Anglo Celt Cup this year.
Across the comprehensive wins over Derry, Donegal and Down, they hit 3-60, an average of 23 points per game.
That is statistically the highest average of any winning team since the great Cavan team of the 1930s regularly ran up big scores that included gluts of goals (they scored 18 goals in three games in 1932).
The common argument against buying into such a stat would be the quality of opposition they faced and while they enjoyed an uncharacteristic degree of comfort in all three games, that can't be used as the barometer to gauge the strength of opposition.
This year was only the third time since the introduction of the qualifiers system that Ulster has had five teams in the last 12 of the All-Ireland series, after 2003 and 2004 – years that were generally accepted as being a glorious peak for Ulster football.
And if you still want to argue then you must consider that the second highest average score in the Ulster Championship since 1940 was also achieved by Tyrone – last year.
Mickey Harte's side have been faced with a barrage of criticism since adopting a counter-attacking gameplan upon the break-up of the side that won three All-Irelands in the last decade.
They have been labelled as a side with "no forwards" over the past two years, fuelled largely by the nature of their display in last year's Ulster final win over Donegal and the subsequent loss to Mayo.
Yet the ability to create scores from every corner of the pitch has reaped a more handsome dividend than the traditional method.
They also became the first team ever to cross the 20-point threshold in all of their Ulster championship matches this year after hitting 0-22 (v Derry), 1-21 (v Donegal) and 2-15 (v Down).
Tyrone had 12 different scorers in the win over Donegal and 11 different scorers in their other two games.
Armagh's blistering run to the 2004 Ulster title saw them hit 20.67 points per game and seemed to have set them up for a tilt at a second All-Ireland until Fermanagh famously crushed their hopes.
The Donegal team that narrowly lost an All-Ireland semi-final to Galway in 1974 were the only other team in the last 77 years to average over 20 points per game, down largely to their 10-goal haul across three games.
Overall the average score racked up by an Ulster winning team has increased since the introduction of the qualifiers in 2001.
Since then, the provincial champions have hit an average of just over 17 points per game. In the 17 years previous, the average was just over 15.5 points per game.
Dublin, interesting, equalled their own record of 29.6 points per game during their march to another Leinster title this year.
They had set the record in 2015 when they went on to win the All-Ireland title and have averaged over 20 points per game in the province each year since they hit just 4-40 in three games in 2011.
Were Tyrone to go on and win the All-Ireland, their average score in Ulster would register as the highest ever by a team from the province that has gone on to lift Sam Maguire.
It's no surprise that Cavan's average of 21 points per game in 1933 is heading the field but the closest to that wouldn't have been the first guess for most people, with Donegal's successful 2012 campaign seeing them hit 18.75 points per game en route to the Ulster title.
Their 1992 campaign is third, just ahead of the Tyrone campaign of 2003, another one which isn't necessarily remembered for the quality of their attacking play, and unfairly so it seems.
Highest scoring averages since 1940
Total Avg pts per game
1. Tyrone 2017 3-60 23
2. Tyrone 2016 8-61 21.25
3. Armagh 2004 5-47 20.67
4. Donegal 1974 10-31 20.33
5. Down 1971 7-37 19.33
6. Armagh 1977 7-36 19
7. Donegal 1992 3-66 18.75
8. Down 1978 3-47 18.67
9. Donegal 2012 5-59 18.5
10. Tyrone 2003 2-86 18.4
11. Tyrone 2007 4-43 18.33
12- Donegal 2014 4-42 18
12- Derry 1975 3-45 18
14- Tyrone 1973 4-40 17.33
14- Cavan 1967 5-37 17.33
16- Tyrone 2010 3-42 17
16- Derry 1998 6-33 17
16- Cavan 1997 4-56 17
16- Down 1994 2-45 17
16- Tyrone 1989 4-56 17
16- Armagh 1980 7-30 17
16- Derry 1970 6-33 17
16- Cavan 1969 6-33 17
All-Ireland winning teams in Ulster
Avg pts per game
1. Cavan 1933 21
2. Donegal 2012 18.75
3. Donegal 1992 18.5
4. Tyrone 2003 18.4
5. Down 1994 17
6. Armagh 2002 16.75
7- Derry 1993 15.67
7- Down 1960 15.67
9. Tyrone 2005 15.5
10. Down 1961 15.33
11- Tyrone 2008 15
11- Cavan 1935 15
13. Down 1968 14.67
14. Cavan 1952 14
15. Down 1991 13.5
16. Cavan 1947 11.75
17. Cavan 1948 11.25
My reckoning for today.
Game to be nip and tuck up to the 20/25 minute mark like the Donegal game then Tyrone to slowly pull away winning by 5/6 points.
As for the second game, I would love to see Monaghan really put it up to Dublin and at least still be in the game by halftime unlike so many other teams who fold straight away
QuoteArmagh's blistering run to the 2004 Ulster title saw them hit 20.67 points per game and seemed to have set them up for a tilt at a second All-Ireland until Fermanagh famously crushed their hopes.
An appropriate analogy.
Unfortunately, Tyrone are unlikely to be entirely confident against Armagh, if only because of 2014. In 2004, Armagh people could not remember Fermanagh beating Armagh and this lead to an insouciant attitude that probably lost Armagh an AI.
Sorry I can't be in Dublin today to see the mighty Tyrone take on division 3's Armagh.
Traffic was at a standstill on the Ardee turn off earlier on M1. I'm in swords now on toilet break. Going to nip onto the M1 at airport and head down port tunnel and up east wall road.
Good luck to both teams and hope the best team wins and not too much controversy.
Am watching it on very broken stream with lots of refreshes so no doubt I'll miss a goal or red card somewhere.
I expected McClure to come in
Enjoy it folks.
Doesn't look like a sell out
Is there anywhere goos to watch the match in Strabane?
Any Links like the one from youtube?
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
Any Links like the one from youtube?
yer man has closed his account, or its been closed for him!
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 05, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
Any Links like the one from youtube?
yer man has closed his account, or its been closed for him!
Any other links?
http://www.time4tv.me/2011/22/sky-sports-1.php
If you have the patience to close the pop ups this should work
Armagh are going to get hammered
Quote from: Mike Tyson on August 05, 2017, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 05, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
Any Links like the one from youtube?
yer man has closed his account, or its been closed for him!
Any other links?
http://www.time4tv.me/2011/22/sky-sports-1.php
If you have the patience to close the pop ups this should work
Quote from: Mike Tyson on August 05, 2017, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 05, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2017, 04:00:06 PM
Any Links like the one from youtube?
yer man has closed his account, or its been closed for him!
Any other links?
http://www.time4tv.me/2011/22/sky-sports-1.php
If you have the patience to close the pop ups this should work
Thanks! At worst I have the audio.
First row sports eu link, click on others on the top bar
At this rate Armagh won't score
Great game ::) ::)
two arms around an Armagh player - they stay on their feet, no free
two arms around Tyrone player - straight to ground. Free
Jesus, where is the width in the Armagh attack? Awful stuff so far.
played for that free.
Armagh's inability to tackle properly has cost them 1-2
Peno.
Told ye all week about Tyrone only conceding 5 points in each of their first halves so far.
Quote from: screenexile on August 05, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Great game ::) ::)
Armagh have completely frozen and it's like they never expected Tyrone to play with 15 men behind the ball. Continuous slow build up play and carrying the ball into contact. 2 worst things you can do against Tyrone. Soft penalty means this game is over after 15 min
Game looks as good as over already. Armagh not given the time and room on that ball as they got against Kildare.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 05, 2017, 04:14:47 PM
two arms around an Armagh player - they stay on their feet, no free
two arms around Tyrone player - straight to ground. Free
Aye they'll soon learn to fall
Some gap here.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 05, 2017, 04:14:47 PM
two arms around an Armagh player - they stay on their feet, no free
two arms around Tyrone player - straight to ground. Free
Aye they'll soon learn to fall
Tyrone/Cavanagh brothers have perfected the art of falling over to win frees in Gaelic football
Hatre's pre match bull shit appears to have worked with Gough. Armagh can't buy a free. I thought he was the best ref in the country. He is a cheat
Every other year a very poor team gets to a quarter final all thanks to playing worse teams than them in the qualifiers. This year that team is Armagh.
Armagh have finally woken up.
It's that A and B thing causes the one bad team oer year.
I'm being put to sleep with this game.
Not one long kick out. ...
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Hatre's pre match bull shit appears to have worked with Gough. Armagh can't buy a free. I thought he was the best ref in the country. He is a cheat
::) ::)
How can you blame the ref for Armagh getting hammered???easiest thing in the world to do....
Terrible game. Tyrone diving all over the place as usual and Gough giving Armagh nothing whilst he gives Tyrone the same foul as a free.
Mickey Harte pre match warning to the ref has worked a treat for Tyrone.
Still a goal could liven it up
I stand over everything I said. Tyrone the much better team and deservedly well in front.
Colm Cavanagh going mad complaining that an Armagh player dived is the most entertaining part of this game. He really has no shame or any understanding of irony. Awful stuff and Armagh clueless up front
Tyrone playing at their leisure to...Mattie Donnelly done nothing.....conal McCann wasting loads of ball......aidan mccrory there for some reason.......wait til theybputbthe subs on and open up!!!
Quote from: dublin7 on August 05, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Colm Cavanagh going mad complaining that an Armagh player dived is the most entertaining part of this game. Awful stuff and Armagh clueless up front
Armagh man certainly made the most of it
Absolutely shockingly bad performance from Armagh. This is actually worse than the Down performance so far
Armagh as flat as pancake making Tyrone look better than they are. Maybe if the ref is on Armaghs side 2nd half it could be a more competitive game however unfortunately it seems Armagh have already lost this game and have only themselves to blame.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 04:34:01 PM
Terrible game. Tyrone diving all over the place as usual and Gough giving Armagh nothing whilst he gives Tyrone the same foul as a free.
Mickey Harte pre match warning to the ref has worked a treat for Tyrone.
Still a goal could liven it up
It was meant to work a treat.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2017, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 05, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Colm Cavanagh going mad complaining that an Armagh player dived is the most entertaining part of this game. Awful stuff and Armagh clueless up front
Armagh man certainly made the most of it
He certainly did, but neither Colm or Sean Cavanagh have any right to complain about diving considering the way they play the game. Lads have turned falling over/diving into an art for winning frees
Ref feeling sorry for Armagh, cant even avail of all the gimmies and still 7 points down
Quote from: dublin7 on August 05, 2017, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2017, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 05, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Colm Cavanagh going mad complaining that an Armagh player dived is the most entertaining part of this game. Awful stuff and Armagh clueless up front
Armagh man certainly made the most of it
He certainly did, but neither Colm or Sean Cavanagh have any right to complain about diving considering the way they play the game. Lads have turned falling over/diving into an art for winning frees
You should keep posting that on every page ;D
Agent canavan did a great job in building armagh up last week. They believed their own hype. Tyrone in 2nd gear.......
Didn't expect the most entertaining poster here today to be a Dub.
Dub7 all yer posts so far seem very worried that we are gonna cheat ye out of a final appearance.
I think ye need to chill man.
Do you think it wasn't a peno?
Armagh are rancid, we haven't got out of second gear. And we're a second half team.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 05, 2017, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 05, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Colm Cavanagh going mad complaining that an Armagh player dived is the most entertaining part of this game. Awful stuff and Armagh clueless up front
Armagh man certainly made the most of it
That was embarrassing !! The guys 6-1 or bigger and rolled around like someone shot him ffs! Big fecking girls blouse
Awful game tbf
Although well ahead, this is a very frustrating performance by Tyrone. Against a decent team we would be in trouble.
I agree Benny....most players are anonymous....that's how bad armagh are!
Hard to play against a bad team
the number of unforced errors from both sides is incredible. Brutal game!
Never seen some of the tyrone players play worse
How that wasn't a free in to Armagh I'll never know. You can't just wrap an arm around a player.
Other than that, God awful stuff.
Mickey won't be happy
the one time they kick a pass forward they lose it
its basically basketball
that was not a high tackle
the Tyrone lad put up his arm and made it look worse
Inconsistencies over the black card are getting beyond a joke
Great finish from Mulgrew.
Hospital ball from Harte there :o
How many knees are they looking to leave in there??
Leading with the knee into a collison nice work Brendan, should have walked
Felt Tyrone couldn't be considered All Ireland contenders based on winning Ulster because there's plenty of mid range teams in the province but no very good ones. I think Monaghan and Tyrone are the best but nothing we've seen so far suggests they can beat the best in the country. I think Dublin will beat Monaghan but I don't know where Tyrone will get scores against Dublin the way they play. They'll frustrate Dublin for a while but they aren't set up to beat them. They need Monaghan to spring a surprise.
Clark in with knees, second yellow should have been. If it was us there would be some whinging
Still happy with geezer lads
Big statement from Mulgrew...
Anything less than triple scores and this would be a total disaster
Definitely a Div 3 team on view there.
Kildare must be cat maledeon.
'Tis is awful stuff by Armagh toady. Not convinced by Tyrone, up against a poor team and a compliment referee, won't happen against the Dubs, or Monaghan.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 05, 2017, 05:28:32 PM
Definitely a Div 3 team on view there.
Kildare must be cat maledeon.
Losing provincial finalists are usually cat
Kildare would be better out there today.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 05:31:33 PM
'Tis is awful stuff by Armagh toady. Not convinced by Tyrone, up against a poor team and a compliment referee, won't happen against the Dubs, or Monaghan.
.......and won by 18 points
How did senan mention Mattie........I thought he was poor......lot more in him and sludden.....Tyrone were very sloppy all day.....D day coming next.
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2017, 08:02:03 AM
Safe travels to everyone today. Banter aside, I hope we get a game that confirms Ulster as the best footballing province. Prediction - Tyrone 2-19 Armagh 0-8
Yes. Can see Armagh getting a late flurry of points.
Was close enough with the predicted score! ;D
Must have been an extra Special rosary said today!
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2017, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 05:31:33 PM
'Tis is awful stuff by Armagh toady. Not convinced by Tyrone, up against a poor team and a compliment referee, won't happen against the Dubs, or Monaghan.
.......and won by 18 points
And?
McCarron must be looking at a suspension now - 2 reds in 2 games?
What's a compliment referee?
Does he tell the lads they have nice hair? They look good in their jerseys?
Analysis no doubt will say that nothing learned and 3 times into the semis without being tested.
Sorry sorry two so far. Cmon the Farney
Another strange game with a lot of mediocre performances but huge score and very little conceded.
I really have no idea how well we will do against Monaghan.
Or the Dubs
Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2017, 05:22:28 PM
Felt Tyrone couldn't be considered All Ireland contenders based on winning Ulster because there's plenty of mid range teams in the province but no very good ones. I think Monaghan and Tyrone are the best but nothing we've seen so far suggests they can beat the best in the country. I think Dublin will beat Monaghan but I don't know where Tyrone will get scores against Dublin the way they play. They'll frustrate Dublin for a while but they aren't set up to beat them. They need Monaghan to spring a surprise.
Dublin did concede 1-17 to Kildare and the Dubs will struggle to get many score from play against arguably the most organized defence in Ireland. Dublin will have to bring their A game to beat Tyrone and Dublin maxing out before AI final almost got them caught out against Mayo last year.
There is no evidence to suggest that any other Ulster team are on the same level as Tyrone.
Quote from: ONeill on August 05, 2017, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2017, 08:02:03 AM
Safe travels to everyone today. Banter aside, I hope we get a game that confirms Ulster as the best footballing province. Prediction - Tyrone 2-19 Armagh 0-8
Yes. Can see Armagh getting a late flurry of points.
A good guess, dammit.
Hopefully this will serve as a lesson to a lot of seriously deluded Armagh people, especially that clown Fearon
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 05, 2017, 05:43:36 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2017, 05:22:28 PM
Felt Tyrone couldn't be considered All Ireland contenders based on winning Ulster because there's plenty of mid range teams in the province but no very good ones. I think Monaghan and Tyrone are the best but nothing we've seen so far suggests they can beat the best in the country. I think Dublin will beat Monaghan but I don't know where Tyrone will get scores against Dublin the way they play. They'll frustrate Dublin for a while but they aren't set up to beat them. They need Monaghan to spring a surprise.
Dublin did concede 1-17 to Kildare and the Dubs will struggle to get many score from play against arguably the most organized defence in Ireland. Dublin will have to bring their A game to beat Tyrone and Dublin maxing out before AI final almost got them caught out against Mayo last year.
True, but Dublin can shut up shop if they want and I don't think you could pick one Tyrone forward against Dublin defender match up where you could say the Tyrone forward has a major advantage. I suspect Dublin will pick holes against the Tyrone defence while the Tyrone forwards will look like they did against Mayo last year.
Well done Tyrone. We were beaten even before we took the field. A very flat performance without the intensity required to unsettle Tyrone.
Happy enough with the season. We have the makings of a good team, so we do.
Laboured from Tyrone for spells and a lot of wasted ball in attack with poor choices from men in possession. Wouldn't get away with that against Dublin. Have to hope they are capable of taking it up a level or two against better opposition. Job done today anyway, a real gulf between the sides.
The big question is whether Tyrone can get through to the next level and beat one of the big 3.
Quote from: Orior on August 05, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Well done Tyrone. We were beaten even before we took the field. A very flat performance without the intensity required to unsettle Tyrone.
Happy enough with the season. We have the makings of a good team, so we do.
The team gave up.
Credit to Tyrone, the game was effectively over at 0-3. It never looked like Armagh were up for the match and a heavy price was paid.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 05, 2017, 05:42:01 PM
What's a compliment referee?
Does he tell the lads they have nice hair? They look good in their jerseys?
Compliant referee! Damn autocorrect and bad connection in Croke Park
Hilarious stuff ::)
Quote from: dclane on August 05, 2017, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 05, 2017, 05:40:21 PM
McCarron must be looking at a suspension now - 2 reds in 2 games?
Will have plenty of time to make Gay pornos so...
Classy. W**ker
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 05, 2017, 06:11:50 PM
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Quote from: Jayop on August 02, 2017, 04:49:16 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
Oh dear..... ;D ;D
Nice one. Don't forget, your county is a joke every year
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
Far from it, but you might live to regret these intemperate comments. Most Armagh fans know that Tyrone are red hot favourites and at a further stage of development than we are. Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
You're progressing well the Applesisapples.
How's the buckfast going down? ;D ;D
Quote from: dclane on August 05, 2017, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 05, 2017, 05:40:21 PM
McCarron must be looking at a suspension now - 2 reds in 2 games?
Will have plenty of time to make Gay pornos so...
You are a twat
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 05, 2017, 05:27:25 PM
Big statement from Mulgrew...
He played really well when he came on. Apparently he didn't genuflect properly at mass and that's why he was left out at the start.
Quote from: lenny on August 05, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 05, 2017, 05:27:25 PM
Big statement from Mulgrew...
He played really well when he came on. Apparently he didn't genuflect properly at mass and that's why he was left out at the start.
Well he'll know for the next time. 😀 Mark my words, if Tyrone beat Dublin be prepared for every manager in Ireland reserving seats at Sunday Mass.
He certainly answered a few questions.
I for one said he and Conall McCann should be dropped but the composure he showed with both goals was excellent.
Game panned out quite like I thought with Armagh struggling to score from play like Monaghan are now doing with the Dubs but in all honesty I have no idea how we will fare against them.
The fact they've been there, got the experience in big games and not scared of us will give them the edge.
Both teams have had 4 very easy games so far but is that cos they are so far above the rest.
It could be another very predictable All Ireland with Kerry and Dublin in the final. I wish they had a 3rd place play off for the crack.
Quote from: lenny on August 05, 2017, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 05, 2017, 05:27:25 PM
Big statement from Mulgrew...
He played really well when he came on. Apparently he didn't genuflect properly at mass and that's why he was left out at the start.
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Thanks for that insight, I thought it was down to the fact he had an average game in the ulster final
Quote from: dublin7 on August 05, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Colm Cavanagh going mad complaining that an Armagh player dived is the most entertaining part of this game. He really has no shame or any understanding of irony. Awful stuff and Armagh clueless up front
Any comment to make on Jonny Coopers play acting?? In fact the Dubs are giving an exhibition of falling at just the right moment in the tackle. Can't believe the ref is fooled every time.
Quote from: dclane on August 05, 2017, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 05, 2017, 05:40:21 PM
McCarron must be looking at a suspension now - 2 reds in 2 games?
Will have plenty of time to make Gay pornos so...
How many All Ireland semi finals have you had the chance to play in?
Among other things, that bollix McCarron has fecked up my FF team!
I said to my dad how come 82000 people go to that today and his answe was class "we are Irish and stupid, that is why everyone else makes fun of us"
No offence but your dad sounds like a tube. We go cause we love the game and we appreciate the effort of the guys who are selected to play for our various counties. We love the excitement and the feeling like we could have a day that leaves everyone surprised. So actually thinking about it, I may report your dad for racist comments :D
Rois you must have been disappointed today then......not much excitement or surprise!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 05, 2017, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
Far from it, but you might live to regret these intemperate comments. Most Armagh fans know that Tyrone are red hot favourites and at a further stage of development than we are. Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
You're progressing well the Applesisapples.
How's the buckfast going down? ;D ;D
Ah, nothing says pride in your county like naming yourself after a club from another county
Anyhoo... Looking forward to the semi final as it will at least be competitive. Once the league finishes, with the exception of the odd provincial game, it's now mid to late August before matches are worth the watch.
Nah but if your dad thinks we're Irish and stupid for days out in Croke Park then I despair!
He used to go all the time but now he despairs....
I'd love to go to see Tyrone in Croke Park - only seen them 4 times in 15 years there. The novelty doesn't wear off.
Quote from: The Trap on August 05, 2017, 07:32:24 PM
He used to go all the time but now he despairs....
Oul people always bang on about how great things used to be. It's nice that you humour him.
Quote from: The Trap on August 05, 2017, 07:32:24 PM
He used to go all the time but now he despairs....
What's the relevance of being Irish and being laughed at though?
Keep your hair on lads.....hopefully tyrone and Dublin will be competitive and worth the trip.
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2017, 07:30:55 PM
Nah but if your dad thinks we're Irish and stupid for days out in Croke Park then I despair!
Think Traps da was venting his frustration on how predictable and boring both matches were like the rest of us. But sure you're not to know until it pans out
At least neither you nor your dad will look for tickets ;D
Well if we do Rios we will deserve them for what webdo at our club unlike half the people who will be there!
Quote from: The Trap on August 05, 2017, 07:46:14 PM
Well if we do Rios we will deserve them for what webdo at our club unlike half the people who will be there!
Have no issue with that!
Sorry if I offended anyone......a bit frustrated I think lol
Can somebody keep the trap shut?
Nothing to say on the game omaghjoe? Or was it a bit crap....
Dont talk clap trap
Morgan back taking free kicks again. What's that all about?
Well done Tyrone
Extremely impressive and well worth the win, their speed on the counter attack was impressive
I have numerous issues with the ref today but reality istyrone were far better than us.
I wish you all the best .
Is this the weirdest run of matches in a championship a Tyrone (or Ulster) team has EVER had.
We find ourselves in an AI semifinal playing mainly in 2nd gear.
As most of ye know I'm often cautious going into games but just had a feeling today was going to be a bit like the Fermanagh 1/4 final in 2003, hurting from a missed opportunity the year before.
We now know what it feels like for Kerry and Dublin getting to this stage without any tough questions being asked.
What amazes me the most about our performances this year is that we often start very well, then ease off the gas in the second quarter. Then 3rd quarter pull away and then 4th quarter ease off but bring on talented forwards to score goals and points.
I wish we had Kerry next and Dublin in the final but alas it's time to stand up and be counted.
I think Mickey Harte has been waiting a long long time to have a game like this with a team that can compete.
I'm really unsure how it will pan out but I think we are better than them defensively but will we have enuf possession.
As for Armagh today. They had nothing to lose and are on their way back but are just not at that level. It took us about 3/4 years to get there.
Those who say just kick the ball in early and attack at will are still living in the past.
I hope Colm Cab is OK for the semi as it could be the difference between winning and losing
I wonder will Dermo come back in
Quote from: phpearse on August 05, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
Morgan back taking free kicks again. What's that all about?
He only hits the far put ones PhP
McGeeney's post match comments.
He sounds more like an Armagh pundit than the Armagh manager here - you'd swear he has zero influence in terms of how the team went out and played the way he is going on.
Tyrone went out and played the way they were always going to play and Armagh tried to play the way they played against Tipp and Kildare and weren't able to deal with Tyrone's Plan A.
Utterly clueless stuff.
QuoteKieran McGeeney: 'We showed a fair few chinks this year'
Saturday, August 5, 2017
By Paul Keane
Kieran McGeeney believes an 18-point All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Tyrone failed to reflect the true quality of his Armagh players.
The Armagh manager described the season as 'a mixed bag', noting that they reached the last eight of the Championship though acknowledging their failure to gain promotion from Division 3 and a disappointing Ulster loss to Down.
"We showed a fair few chinks this year," said McGeeney. "We should have got out of Division 3, we didn't, but we scored highly. Then we had our chance to beat Down in the Ulster championship, but we didn't.
"Coming up here today you're probably coming up against the best defensive unit in the country in terms of how Tyrone play that. It shouldn't have taken them by surprise or shocked them but we seemed to struggle to deal with it.
"Overall, it's a mixed bag. I don't think today probably reflects how good the team is but it does reflect how they're able to deal with that type of defence. But then every team that has gone before them found it difficult to deal with as well.
"You have to be able to move the ball quick, you have to be able to commit men to the attack, more than ones and twos, it needs to be threes and fours and they didn't have that.
"That's why some of our better forwards were easily suffocated, because they didn't have those runners off the shoulder. They showed glimpses of it for 20 minutes in the second-half but when the chances were there they didn't take them and if there's nothing there to fight for, sometimes the team will just lose heart."
McGeeney said it was hard to paint a positive picture after such a convincing defeat.
"It is what it is, I can't really say much more," said the 2002 All-Ireland winning captain. "When the game is over you're left with the facts staring you in the face. We retracted into our shell a wee bit, missed easy chances, ran into cul-de-sacs. I think we're a better team than we showed but that's just the way it went today.
"There's probably a number of factors for it. We played a certain way all year and then when you miss one or two players, that can have a bit of an effect on it. We didn't react well at the start, we wanted to move the ball quickly but didn't and got caught up. I didn't feel that we committed enough men to attack, it was ones and twos instead of threes and fours and lads got caught on their own and were suffocated. Tyrone are very good at that, they've been working on that for a while. Armagh are just going to have to learn how to deal with that."
McGeeney had praise for Tyrone who march forward to the All-Ireland semi-finals with hopes of another title success.
"Any mistake, they pounced on it," he said. "I think they had a 65 per cent shooting accuracy compared to 30 per cent for us. There's a whole lot of things that add up to the result. It wasn't a good day at the office for the boys but I do believe they're better than that."
Quote from: dclane on August 05, 2017, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 05, 2017, 05:40:21 PM
McCarron must be looking at a suspension now - 2 reds in 2 games?
Will have plenty of time to make Gay pornos so...
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 05, 2017, 09:41:08 PM
McGeeney's post match comments.
He sounds more like an Armagh pundit than the Armagh manager here - you'd swear he has zero influence in terms of how the team went out and played the way he is going on.
Tyrone went out and played the way they were always going to play and Armagh tried to play the way they played against Tipp and Kildare and weren't able to deal with Tyrone's Plan A.
Utterly clueless stuff.
QuoteKieran McGeeney: 'We showed a fair few chinks this year'
Saturday, August 5, 2017
By Paul Keane
Kieran McGeeney believes an 18-point All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Tyrone failed to reflect the true quality of his Armagh players.
The Armagh manager described the season as 'a mixed bag', noting that they reached the last eight of the Championship though acknowledging their failure to gain promotion from Division 3 and a disappointing Ulster loss to Down.
"We showed a fair few chinks this year," said McGeeney. "We should have got out of Division 3, we didn't, but we scored highly. Then we had our chance to beat Down in the Ulster championship, but we didn't.
"Coming up here today you're probably coming up against the best defensive unit in the country in terms of how Tyrone play that. It shouldn't have taken them by surprise or shocked them but we seemed to struggle to deal with it.
"Overall, it's a mixed bag. I don't think today probably reflects how good the team is but it does reflect how they're able to deal with that type of defence. But then every team that has gone before them found it difficult to deal with as well.
"You have to be able to move the ball quick, you have to be able to commit men to the attack, more than ones and twos, it needs to be threes and fours and they didn't have that.
"That's why some of our better forwards were easily suffocated, because they didn't have those runners off the shoulder. They showed glimpses of it for 20 minutes in the second-half but when the chances were there they didn't take them and if there's nothing there to fight for, sometimes the team will just lose heart."
McGeeney said it was hard to paint a positive picture after such a convincing defeat.
"It is what it is, I can't really say much more," said the 2002 All-Ireland winning captain. "When the game is over you're left with the facts staring you in the face. We retracted into our shell a wee bit, missed easy chances, ran into cul-de-sacs. I think we're a better team than we showed but that's just the way it went today.
"There's probably a number of factors for it. We played a certain way all year and then when you miss one or two players, that can have a bit of an effect on it. We didn't react well at the start, we wanted to move the ball quickly but didn't and got caught up. I didn't feel that we committed enough men to attack, it was ones and twos instead of threes and fours and lads got caught on their own and were suffocated. Tyrone are very good at that, they've been working on that for a while. Armagh are just going to have to learn how to deal with that."
McGeeney had praise for Tyrone who march forward to the All-Ireland semi-finals with hopes of another title success.
"Any mistake, they pounced on it," he said. "I think they had a 65 per cent shooting accuracy compared to 30 per cent for us. There's a whole lot of things that add up to the result. It wasn't a good day at the office for the boys but I do believe they're better than that."
How do make that out? They had a week to prepare for Tyrone. The Armagh players definitely did daft things but unless you think coaching or managing is simply telling players what they should do and they will do it then it's not surprising Armagh players made poor decisions on the pitch. McGeeney is a good coach/manager and is doing a good job with Armagh albeit they need to start delivering when games count. However, there are a few teams head and shoulders above the rest and Armagh are definitely still amongst the rest at this point.
Just in. Tyrone are a serious outfit it will take a very good team to beat them. Even through my disappointment I could only admire them. Well done.
Asdor us the less said about that game the better. I don't think we done ourselves justice. However we have made good strides this year. To make. Ore we absolutely have to get out of division three. That has to happen next year.
Good luck to Tyrone in the next round. It should be some game
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 05, 2017, 06:56:56 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 05, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
Colm Cavanagh going mad complaining that an Armagh player dived is the most entertaining part of this game. He really has no shame or any understanding of irony. Awful stuff and Armagh clueless up front
Any comment to make on Jonny Coopers play acting?? In fact the Dubs are giving an exhibition of falling at just the right moment in the tackle. Can't believe the ref is fooled every time.
A Tyrone man complaining about playacting??
Your team were fantastic today tho. Hope we can learn from them
Train from Dublin is a nightmare. Chaos at station. No input from staff, train delayed because young fellas boxing each other on the train in front apparantly.
A disgrace that translink/IA seem incapable of managing
The level of alcohol on these trains is also crazy. Should be banned altogether.
Quote from: Zulu on August 05, 2017, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 05, 2017, 09:41:08 PM
McGeeney's post match comments.
He sounds more like an Armagh pundit than the Armagh manager here - you'd swear he has zero influence in terms of how the team went out and played the way he is going on.
Tyrone went out and played the way they were always going to play and Armagh tried to play the way they played against Tipp and Kildare and weren't able to deal with Tyrone's Plan A.
Utterly clueless stuff.
QuoteKieran McGeeney: 'We showed a fair few chinks this year'
Saturday, August 5, 2017
By Paul Keane
Kieran McGeeney believes an 18-point All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Tyrone failed to reflect the true quality of his Armagh players.
The Armagh manager described the season as 'a mixed bag', noting that they reached the last eight of the Championship though acknowledging their failure to gain promotion from Division 3 and a disappointing Ulster loss to Down.
"We showed a fair few chinks this year," said McGeeney. "We should have got out of Division 3, we didn't, but we scored highly. Then we had our chance to beat Down in the Ulster championship, but we didn't.
"Coming up here today you're probably coming up against the best defensive unit in the country in terms of how Tyrone play that. It shouldn't have taken them by surprise or shocked them but we seemed to struggle to deal with it.
"Overall, it's a mixed bag. I don't think today probably reflects how good the team is but it does reflect how they're able to deal with that type of defence. But then every team that has gone before them found it difficult to deal with as well.
"You have to be able to move the ball quick, you have to be able to commit men to the attack, more than ones and twos, it needs to be threes and fours and they didn't have that.
"That's why some of our better forwards were easily suffocated, because they didn't have those runners off the shoulder. They showed glimpses of it for 20 minutes in the second-half but when the chances were there they didn't take them and if there's nothing there to fight for, sometimes the team will just lose heart."
McGeeney said it was hard to paint a positive picture after such a convincing defeat.
"It is what it is, I can't really say much more," said the 2002 All-Ireland winning captain. "When the game is over you're left with the facts staring you in the face. We retracted into our shell a wee bit, missed easy chances, ran into cul-de-sacs. I think we're a better team than we showed but that's just the way it went today.
"There's probably a number of factors for it. We played a certain way all year and then when you miss one or two players, that can have a bit of an effect on it. We didn't react well at the start, we wanted to move the ball quickly but didn't and got caught up. I didn't feel that we committed enough men to attack, it was ones and twos instead of threes and fours and lads got caught on their own and were suffocated. Tyrone are very good at that, they've been working on that for a while. Armagh are just going to have to learn how to deal with that."
McGeeney had praise for Tyrone who march forward to the All-Ireland semi-finals with hopes of another title success.
"Any mistake, they pounced on it," he said. "I think they had a 65 per cent shooting accuracy compared to 30 per cent for us. There's a whole lot of things that add up to the result. It wasn't a good day at the office for the boys but I do believe they're better than that."
How do make that out? They had a week to prepare for Tyrone. The Armagh players definitely did daft things but unless you think coaching or managing is simply telling players what they should do and they will do it then it's not surprising Armagh players made poor decisions on the pitch. McGeeney is a good coach/manager and is doing a good job with Armagh albeit they need to start delivering when games count. However, there are a few teams head and shoulders above the rest and Armagh are definitely still amongst the rest at this point.
They played like a team that had seen Tyrone play for the first time a week ago - there was not one thing I saw that suggested they made any attempt whatsoever to change tactics to account for the fact that they were playing Tyrone as opposed to Kildare or Tipperary - maybe McGeeney gave them some instructions in terms of changing how they played and they ignored them but nothing from that interview suggests that.
QuoteThe level of alcohol on these trains is also crazy. Should be banned altogether.
Agreed, ban the drink and there'll not be too many on the trains. Same crowd carrying boxes of beer onto trains this morning won't be about a game outside of Dublin. I'm all for a few pints in Dublin, but young fellas unable to hold their drink is a different story.
2 complete mismatches today, i didn't expect Monaghan to trouble Dublin but thought Armagh would put it up to Tyrone, after 10 minutes it was obvious that it was going to be a formality for Tyrone, a seriously well drilled team that Armagh had no answer to, 18 points is a serious hammering to take, a reality check for Mc Geeney and co, Tyrone and Dublin in 3 weeks will be interesting!
Two hands, do you not think Derry, Donegal, Down, Cavan last year had time to prepare. It's football at a different level and until ye meet Dublin, Kerry and even Mayo you can't appreciate what it takes to compete with that.
You can't kick it on long and of you run with it you need to have your shit together.
I don't think we are at Dublin's level yet but its top easy to just blame managers and tactics. Its takes 2/3 years to prepare her team to reach this level. At least ye are on the way back and could make the big 8 next year again.
Armagh weren't that good and alot was made that Kildare put it up to Dublin in 2 gear in the Leinster final, Monaghan the 2nd best team in Ulster and a Division 1 team got crushed by Dublin today in 3rd gear, so how was Armagh who could not get out of Division 3 be seen to give Tyrone a game when they got beat easily enough by Down who beat Armagh handy
Just in the door. Couple of things:
- the traffic today was possibly the worst I have ever seen on match day. Perfect storm of 3 Ulster counties, Liverpool match and a Saturday afternoon left the roads crazy. The traffic was stopped on the motorway at Ardee FFS!
- Tyrone left a lot of scores behind them todsy. Thst level of sloppiness will be the ruination of us against the Dubs unless we are more focussed. Strange atmosphere at the game as the writing was on the wall after 10 mins. It was men against boys stuff.
- Dublin were pretty sloppy too, I think we've got s real chance against them. Need more impact on the scoreboard from Mattie and Sludden though, they were quite poor today IMO.
Different league. I expected a defeat but not that hiding. We needed everything to go right & Tyrone to have an off day to have a sniff. Club mate and all that he is I thought Vernon tried his heart out.
We have to take the positives out of the year, we have the makings of a competitive side, a few boys need to get themselves in the gym over the winter as Tyrone's physicality was very evident today.
Tyrone v Dublin will be interesting, I would give Tyrone a great chance, but tbh after watching that today that's taking a leap in the dark as they haven't had to go into their reserves this championship at all and who knows what's there. They would definitely be a bit more formulaic / robotic in their approach; while the Dubs are regimented as well they've far better forwards. Tyrone also have one serious weaklink - Conall McCann in MF.
There really is a huge chasm between the Top 3/4 and the rest.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 05, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
Just in the door. Couple of things:
- the traffic today was possibly the worst I have ever seen on match day. Perfect storm of 3 Ulster counties, Liverpool match and a Saturday afternoon left the roads crazy. The traffic was stopped on the motorway at Ardee FFS!
- Tyrone left a lot of scores behind them todsy. Thst level of sloppiness will be the ruination of us against the Dubs unless we are more focussed. Strange atmosphere at the game as the writing was on the wall after 10 mins. It was men against boys stuff.
- Dublin were pretty sloppy too, I think we've got s real chance against them. Need more impact on the scoreboard from Mattie and Sludden though, they were quite poor today IMO.
IMO, you've no chance. I think Tyrone are set up to fail against Dublin, you might beat Mayo but Kerry and Dublin will win every time.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 05, 2017, 10:22:27 PM
Two hands, do you not think Derry, Donegal, Down, Cavan last year had time to prepare. It's football at a different level and until ye meet Dublin, Kerry and even Mayo you can't appreciate what it takes to compete with that.
You can't kick it on long and of you run with it you need to have your shit together.
I don't think we are at Dublin's level yet but its top easy to just blame managers and tactics. Its takes 2/3 years to prepare her team to reach this level. At least ye are on the way back and could make the big 8 next year again.
Have to agree with that!
Armagh had one week to prepare for a team that has been working on this current system of play for 3 years. Twohands makes it sound like Armagh should have been preparing for this from the start of the year!!! Fair play to them they did well given the resources they have. Hopefully it's something to build on!
Just in. Long day. Have read nothing.
Bad day for the super 8 concept. Where are they going to get 8?
Hugely disappointed in our performance. We deployed tactics that were guaranteed to never work. We give in before throw in. Absolute cowardice.
I read all week about the influence of 02. Where was it?
We voluntarily decided to concede possession from all Tyrone kick outs. Was that 02?
We watched this go spectacularly wrong. We did nothing about it. What were the 02 boys saying or doing about it? Giving up? Giving in? Games are unwinnable and that justifies giving up?
We allow McCrory to take McParland for a tour of HQ and do nothing to pass him on. Mickey Harte dictates our tactics. This apparently is something we should settle for?????
Mickey Harte's dearest wish was that we would abandon our game plan, retreat to defence, leave one of front, in the central channel, right in the line of their sweeper . We gave Mickey all his christmasses, birthdays and probably the horn at once.
The set up was inexcusable. The failure to respond a disgrace
Stick to our guns. Got beat with our own game plan and actually give it a go and at least there would be some pride. There was no pride in that
Very much men against boys. Div 3 vs Top 3.
As I said previously I really didn't understand how Armagh were being given so much credit from (just) beating average teams while Tyrone were being dismissed as not having been tested.
Tyrone dispatched whoever they met with aplomb. You can't ask for more than that.
Armagh really need to settle on a system that works for their players and then get it ingrained over a number of years.
I still think we are a marquee forward or two away from beating the Dubs/Kerry but anything can happen on the day....
Good to see that on a day where many players were poor (compared to normal) we had players stepping off the bench to power us on.
Hope the injury to big Colly isn't too bad. Hospital pass he was given.
So much for renaissance man Clarke. He was never going to get the time and space Kildare offered him and he seemed to be quite frustrated by the end.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 06, 2017, 12:05:23 AM
Very much men against boys. Div 3 vs Top 3.
As I said previously I really didn't understand how Armagh were being given so much credit from (just) beating average teams while Tyrone were being dismissed as not having been tested.
Tyrone dispatched whoever they met with aplomb. You can't ask for more than that.
Armagh really need to settle on a system that works for their players and then get it ingrained over a number of years.
I still think we are a marquee forward or two away from beating the Dubs/Kerry but anything can happen on the day....
Good to see that on a day where many players were poor (compared to normal) we had players stepping off the bench to power us on.
Hope the injury to big Colly isn't too bad. Hospital pass he was given.
So much for renaissance man Clarke. He was never going to get the time and space Kildare offered him and he seemed to be quite frustrated by the end.
The failure to give Clarke time and space had more to do with our set up than yours
Have not bothered to read through all the posts as I am sure among the sensible posts there is plenty of wind up.
As an Armagh man I feared this could happen. When I looked at the subs listed in the programme 3 had never played championship football - 2 had no league football either - and another - Dyas - had not played football in 2 years. We were down to the bear bones. On the other hand Michael Cassidy was the only complete newbie on the Tyrone panel.
For me to beat Tyrone you need either an early lead to draw them out or replicate their system. Armagh hadn't time to work on the latter and started too nervously to get a lead. Once Tyrone get the lead and you have to come out their pace will really catch you on the break. Additionally many Armagh players do not have the upper body strength the Tyrone players have to break tackles. At least that can be worked on.
If Tyrone are to beat Dublin they will have to play much better. They may have been playing a division 3 team but there were long periods when Armagh controlled the ball and they wasted an incredible amount of chances. You wouldn't expect Dublin to be that generous. As a said earlier in the week though I hate the way Tyrone play. It is mighty effective though and Tyrone have never much cared what outsiders think. That is one of their strengths.
All in all a better year for Armagh than expected. We will only learn if today is a failure if they fail to learn from it.
On a completely separate note the black card is driving me mad. Shields card was obvious. Grugan I thought was dreadfully unlucky. For me he slipped on the Croke Park surface and accidentally caught the Tyrone player. Too much is left to interpretation. I didn't even know Sheridan had been carded until I got home! Meanwhile early in the first half McGeary hand tripped O'Hanlon along the sideline off the ball in front of the linesman. Considering how Clarke got carded a few matches ago it is extremely frustrating.
Let's face it any teamcan fluke a quarter final place.Even Fermanagh did it a couple of years ago.We were lucky to beat Westmeath and late goals helped us just edge out mediocrities like Tipp and Kildare.We are a million miles away from Dublin and Tyrone and the only real successes today were ould hands Vernon and Donaghy who can't have too long left.
I echo the comments on the train.I took the train today,one of the three specials.Fine on the way down,but a nightmare coming home.I was on the last train from Connolly (supposed to be departing at 9.20pm,left at 9.40pm,took a full hour to get to Drogheda.Young and not so young carrying parcels of drink (is there any other form of public transport that would allow this), and Liverpool fans on the train as well,and sadly copious amounts of sectarian songs being sung as the mainly young ones downed the alcohol.Also only for the intervention of a couple of wiser heads,there would have been fights breaking out too.Never again will I use a "GAA special", this is not the image GAA should be sending out,I was disgusted,God knows what anyone on the train of a non GAA disposition felt.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2017, 01:28:53 AM
I echo the comments on the train.I took the train today,one of the three specials.Fine on the way down,but a nightmare coming home.I was on the last train from Connolly (supposed to be departing at 9.20pm,left at 9.40pm,took a full hour to get to Drogheda.Young and not so young carrying parcels of drink (is there any other form of public transport that would allow this), and Liverpool fans on the train as well,and sadly copious amounts of sectarian songs being sung as the mainly young ones downed the alcohol.Also only for the intervention of a couple of wiser heads,there would have been fights breaking out too.Never again will I use a "GAA special", this is not the image GAA should be sending out,I was disgusted,God knows what anyone on the train of a non GAA disposition felt.
From chatting to Armagh ones from around the city there seems to be a scummer element from the Portadown/Lurgan contingent that can't go to any match without a feed of drink.
Hard luck Armagh, both teams wanted a good match and it wasn't that. Great craic with the Armagh supporters - deserved better.
Quote from: rrhf on August 06, 2017, 02:01:50 AM
Hard luck Armagh, both teams wanted a good match and it wasn't that. Great craic with the Armagh supporters - deserved better.
Yes, we are quite good really. Good luck against the Jacks.
I wonder does Jamie Clarke still think Armagh have the best technical players in Ireland >:(
He can go back to drinking his coffee now!!!
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Hatre's pre match bull shit appears to have worked with Gough. Armagh can't buy a free. I thought he was the best ref in the country. He is a cheat
Lol wise up and listen to yourself. Maybe Armagh could just learn to tackle?
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 07:55:57 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Hatre's pre match bull shit appears to have worked with Gough. Armagh can't buy a free. I thought he was the best ref in the country. He is a cheat
Lol wise up and listen to yourself. Maybe Armagh could just learn to tackle?
In the second match it seemed like if three Dubs surrounded a Monaghan player then the ref gave a free to the Farney. Quite the opposite in the first match.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 06, 2017, 01:49:43 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2017, 01:28:53 AM
I echo the comments on the train.I took the train today,one of the three specials.Fine on the way down,but a nightmare coming home.I was on the last train from Connolly (supposed to be departing at 9.20pm,left at 9.40pm,took a full hour to get to Drogheda.Young and not so young carrying parcels of drink (is there any other form of public transport that would allow this), and Liverpool fans on the train as well,and sadly copious amounts of sectarian songs being sung as the mainly young ones downed the alcohol.Also only for the intervention of a couple of wiser heads,there would have been fights breaking out too.Never again will I use a "GAA special", this is not the image GAA should be sending out,I was disgusted,God knows what anyone on the train of a non GAA disposition felt.
From chatting to Armagh ones from around the city there seems to be a scummer element from the Portadown/Lurgan contingent that can't go to any match without a feed of drink.
There is a sense of "I'd like to see them take the drink off us". They are probably right in that. But eventually translink/NIR might just say they won't bother with the GAA special and properly police the normal train. There is no automatic right to have a train put on for you so that you can behave like a lout.
Quote from: Orior on August 06, 2017, 08:07:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 07:55:57 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Hatre's pre match bull shit appears to have worked with Gough. Armagh can't buy a free. I thought he was the best ref in the country. He is a cheat
Lol wise up and listen to yourself. Maybe Armagh could just learn to tackle?
In the second match it seemed like if three Dubs surrounded a Monaghan player then the ref gave a free to the Farney. Quite the opposite in the first match.
This is something that annoys my head. I even mentioned it last week in a post. It seems with some referees that if you tackle 1 on 1 and tug a jersey it is a yellow card but if 3 or 4 thump the crap out of someone it is the player with the ball who is doing the fouling. It is a blight on the game. Save the choke tackle for Rugby. It also highlights another inconsistency in refereeing. I prefer the way Lane referees this - and mentioned Sean Hurson in an earlier post.
Quote from: Orior on August 06, 2017, 08:07:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 07:55:57 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Hatre's pre match bull shit appears to have worked with Gough. Armagh can't buy a free. I thought he was the best ref in the country. He is a cheat
Lol wise up and listen to yourself. Maybe Armagh could just learn to tackle?
In the second match it seemed like if three Dubs surrounded a Monaghan player then the ref gave a free to the Farney. Quite the opposite in the first match.
I don't know about that. The Dubs tackled in bunches a lot and rarely was a free given. Just because there's players around the man in possession doesn't mean it's a foul. Tyrones tackling is one of the absolute stand out qualities that they possess. Often this is diminished by people saying it's a blanket defence but the quality of the tackling and the discipline of the second or third man not to jump in or foul is superb. I thought McCarrons handling of Clarke was superb. Although deficient in speed and technical ability he (bar 2 occasions) kept his angles right when Jamie had the ball and rarely let him past, forcing him to cut back into an area where McCarron new he would have assistance. Cearly he lost the plot and got sent off but the knees that where flying in on McCann for the first yellow clearly infuriated him.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2017, 01:20:55 AM
Let's face it any teamcan fluke a quarter final place.Even Fermanagh did it a couple of years ago.We were lucky to beat Westmeath and late goals helped us just edge out mediocrities like Tipp and Kildare.We are a million miles away from Dublin and Tyrone and the only real successes today were ould hands Vernon and Donaghy who can't have too long left.
There were positives in each of the 2 games before yesterday which you are determined to ignore or dismiss. There wasn't much quality in Mullingar but there was at least heart.
Fermanagh was a training run out, Down a catastrophe and most of the league was inept. Call it how it is/ was but don't make things up
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 01:02:18 AM
Have not bothered to read through all the posts as I am sure among the sensible posts there is plenty of wind up.
As an Armagh man I feared this could happen. When I looked at the subs listed in the programme 3 had never played championship football - 2 had no league football either - and another - Dyas - had not played football in 2 years. We were down to the bear bones. On the other hand Michael Cassidy was the only complete newbie on the Tyrone panel.
For me to beat Tyrone you need either an early lead to draw them out or replicate their system. Armagh hadn't time to work on the latter and started too nervously to get a lead. Once Tyrone get the lead and you have to come out their pace will really catch you on the break. Additionally many Armagh players do not have the upper body strength the Tyrone players have to break tackles. At least that can be worked on.
If Tyrone are to beat Dublin they will have to play much better. They may have been playing a division 3 team but there were long periods when Armagh controlled the ball and they wasted an incredible amount of chances. You wouldn't expect Dublin to be that generous. As a said earlier in the week though I hate the way Tyrone play. It is mighty effective though and Tyrone have never much cared what outsiders think. That is one of their strengths.
All in all a better year for Armagh than expected. We will only learn if today is a failure if they fail to learn from it.
On a completely separate note the black card is driving me mad. Shields card was obvious. Grugan I thought was dreadfully unlucky. For me he slipped on the Croke Park surface and accidentally caught the Tyrone player. Too much is left to interpretation. I didn't even know Sheridan had been carded until I got home! Meanwhile early in the first half McGeary hand tripped O'Hanlon along the sideline off the ball in front of the linesman. Considering how Clarke got carded a few matches ago it is extremely frustrating.
Totally disagree that you have to match them up. I watched the Dublin tactic of width. If a corner forward tracked his man back the wing forward jogged into the corner. When Dublin got the ball they knew they were guaranteed to have an attack the full width of the pitch and the sweepers couldn't cover them all. This isn't wise after the event. It was called out before and the 2 games yesterday amongst other things proved it to be correct
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 06, 2017, 01:49:43 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2017, 01:28:53 AM
I echo the comments on the train.I took the train today,one of the three specials.Fine on the way down,but a nightmare coming home.I was on the last train from Connolly (supposed to be departing at 9.20pm,left at 9.40pm,took a full hour to get to Drogheda.Young and not so young carrying parcels of drink (is there any other form of public transport that would allow this), and Liverpool fans on the train as well,and sadly copious amounts of sectarian songs being sung as the mainly young ones downed the alcohol.Also only for the intervention of a couple of wiser heads,there would have been fights breaking out too.Never again will I use a "GAA special", this is not the image GAA should be sending out,I was disgusted,God knows what anyone on the train of a non GAA disposition felt.
From chatting to Armagh ones from around the city there seems to be a scummer element from the Portadown/Lurgan contingent that can't go to any match without a feed of drink.
There is a sense of "I'd like to see them take the drink off us". They are probably right in that. But eventually translink/NIR might just say they won't bother with the GAA special and properly police the normal train. There is no automatic right to have a train put on for you so that you can behave like a lout.
All translink need to do is ban carry outs and restrict the bar to 1 drink per person per serve. There were ones bringing 2 crates of beer with them on board ffs.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 08:28:49 AM
Quote from: Orior on August 06, 2017, 08:07:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 07:55:57 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on August 05, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Hatre's pre match bull shit appears to have worked with Gough. Armagh can't buy a free. I thought he was the best ref in the country. He is a cheat
Lol wise up and listen to yourself. Maybe Armagh could just learn to tackle?
In the second match it seemed like if three Dubs surrounded a Monaghan player then the ref gave a free to the Farney. Quite the opposite in the first match.
This is something that annoys my head. I even mentioned it last week in a post. It seems with some referees that if you tackle 1 on 1 and tug a jersey it is a yellow card but if 3 or 4 thump the crap out of someone it is the player with the ball who is doing the fouling. It is a blight on the game. Save the choke tackle for Rugby. It also highlights another inconsistency in refereeing. I prefer the way Lane referees this - and mentioned Sean Hurson in an earlier post.
I agree it's horrible to watch. But not illegal. No point complaining about it unless it's a rule change you are proposing.
Surely the bigger thing for us is why are we carrying the ball into that situation with such a high degree of regularity? Everything Tyrone did was predictable. Everything we did seemed to based on hoping that we could mimic them off the pitch based upon 6 days preparation. Foolhardy is putting it kindly
Quote from: tyroneman on August 06, 2017, 08:43:40 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 06, 2017, 01:49:43 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2017, 01:28:53 AM
I echo the comments on the train.I took the train today,one of the three specials.Fine on the way down,but a nightmare coming home.I was on the last train from Connolly (supposed to be departing at 9.20pm,left at 9.40pm,took a full hour to get to Drogheda.Young and not so young carrying parcels of drink (is there any other form of public transport that would allow this), and Liverpool fans on the train as well,and sadly copious amounts of sectarian songs being sung as the mainly young ones downed the alcohol.Also only for the intervention of a couple of wiser heads,there would have been fights breaking out too.Never again will I use a "GAA special", this is not the image GAA should be sending out,I was disgusted,God knows what anyone on the train of a non GAA disposition felt.
From chatting to Armagh ones from around the city there seems to be a scummer element from the Portadown/Lurgan contingent that can't go to any match without a feed of drink.
There is a sense of "I'd like to see them take the drink off us". They are probably right in that. But eventually translink/NIR might just say they won't bother with the GAA special and properly police the normal train. There is no automatic right to have a train put on for you so that you can behave like a lout.
All translink need to do is ban carry outs and restrict the bar to 1 drink per person per serve. There were ones bringing 2 crates of beer with them on board ffs.
It's only a matter of time before some YouTube footage makes us all embarrassed and translink's position difficult
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 06, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Grimley's wasn't a free. It was a mark. He has 5 seconds and must take it himself. Ref was right
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 08:37:02 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 01:02:18 AM
Have not bothered to read through all the posts as I am sure among the sensible posts there is plenty of wind up.
As an Armagh man I feared this could happen. When I looked at the subs listed in the programme 3 had never played championship football - 2 had no league football either - and another - Dyas - had not played football in 2 years. We were down to the bear bones. On the other hand Michael Cassidy was the only complete newbie on the Tyrone panel.
For me to beat Tyrone you need either an early lead to draw them out or replicate their system. Armagh hadn't time to work on the latter and started too nervously to get a lead. Once Tyrone get the lead and you have to come out their pace will really catch you on the break. Additionally many Armagh players do not have the upper body strength the Tyrone players have to break tackles. At least that can be worked on.
If Tyrone are to beat Dublin they will have to play much better. They may have been playing a division 3 team but there were long periods when Armagh controlled the ball and they wasted an incredible amount of chances. You wouldn't expect Dublin to be that generous. As a said earlier in the week though I hate the way Tyrone play. It is mighty effective though and Tyrone have never much cared what outsiders think. That is one of their strengths.
All in all a better year for Armagh than expected. We will only learn if today is a failure if they fail to learn from it.
On a completely separate note the black card is driving me mad. Shields card was obvious. Grugan I thought was dreadfully unlucky. For me he slipped on the Croke Park surface and accidentally caught the Tyrone player. Too much is left to interpretation. I didn't even know Sheridan had been carded until I got home! Meanwhile early in the first half McGeary hand tripped O'Hanlon along the sideline off the ball in front of the linesman. Considering how Clarke got carded a few matches ago it is extremely frustrating.
Totally disagree that you have to match them up. I watched the Dublin tactic of width. If a corner forward tracked his man back the wing forward jogged into the corner. When Dublin got the ball they knew they were guaranteed to have an attack the full width of the pitch and the sweepers couldn't cover them all. This isn't wise after the event. It was called out before and the 2 games yesterday amongst other things proved it to be correct
The problem is Dublin have better players technically and physically and have been perfecting this over a number of years playing at a higher level. For a number of reasons Armagh had only a week to plan.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 08:37:02 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 01:02:18 AM
Have not bothered to read through all the posts as I am sure among the sensible posts there is plenty of wind up.
As an Armagh man I feared this could happen. When I looked at the subs listed in the programme 3 had never played championship football - 2 had no league football either - and another - Dyas - had not played football in 2 years. We were down to the bear bones. On the other hand Michael Cassidy was the only complete newbie on the Tyrone panel.
For me to beat Tyrone you need either an early lead to draw them out or replicate their system. Armagh hadn't time to work on the latter and started too nervously to get a lead. Once Tyrone get the lead and you have to come out their pace will really catch you on the break. Additionally many Armagh players do not have the upper body strength the Tyrone players have to break tackles. At least that can be worked on.
If Tyrone are to beat Dublin they will have to play much better. They may have been playing a division 3 team but there were long periods when Armagh controlled the ball and they wasted an incredible amount of chances. You wouldn't expect Dublin to be that generous. As a said earlier in the week though I hate the way Tyrone play. It is mighty effective though and Tyrone have never much cared what outsiders think. That is one of their strengths.
All in all a better year for Armagh than expected. We will only learn if today is a failure if they fail to learn from it.
On a completely separate note the black card is driving me mad. Shields card was obvious. Grugan I thought was dreadfully unlucky. For me he slipped on the Croke Park surface and accidentally caught the Tyrone player. Too much is left to interpretation. I didn't even know Sheridan had been carded until I got home! Meanwhile early in the first half McGeary hand tripped O'Hanlon along the sideline off the ball in front of the linesman. Considering how Clarke got carded a few matches ago it is extremely frustrating.
Totally disagree that you have to match them up. I watched the Dublin tactic of width. If a corner forward tracked his man back the wing forward jogged into the corner. When Dublin got the ball they knew they were guaranteed to have an attack the full width of the pitch and the sweepers couldn't cover them all. This isn't wise after the event. It was called out before and the 2 games yesterday amongst other things proved it to be correct
The problem is Dublin have better players technically and physically and have been perfecting this over a number of years playing at a higher level. For a number of reasons Armagh had only a week to plan.
In what sense are Dublin more technically capable of jogging wide to retain width?
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 08:45:26 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 06, 2017, 08:43:40 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on August 06, 2017, 01:49:43 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2017, 01:28:53 AM
I echo the comments on the train.I took the train today,one of the three specials.Fine on the way down,but a nightmare coming home.I was on the last train from Connolly (supposed to be departing at 9.20pm,left at 9.40pm,took a full hour to get to Drogheda.Young and not so young carrying parcels of drink (is there any other form of public transport that would allow this), and Liverpool fans on the train as well,and sadly copious amounts of sectarian songs being sung as the mainly young ones downed the alcohol.Also only for the intervention of a couple of wiser heads,there would have been fights breaking out too.Never again will I use a "GAA special", this is not the image GAA should be sending out,I was disgusted,God knows what anyone on the train of a non GAA disposition felt.
From chatting to Armagh ones from around the city there seems to be a scummer element from the Portadown/Lurgan contingent that can't go to any match without a feed of drink.
There is a sense of "I'd like to see them take the drink off us". They are probably right in that. But eventually translink/NIR might just say they won't bother with the GAA special and properly police the normal train. There is no automatic right to have a train put on for you so that you can behave like a lout.
All translink need to do is ban carry outs and restrict the bar to 1 drink per person per serve. There were ones bringing 2 crates of beer with them on board ffs.
It's only a matter of time before some YouTube footage makes us all embarrassed and translink's position difficult
Another thing that annoys me. Go to a match, have a few drinks no problem. But why get so strong that you annoy the head of everyone and not remember or care about the game. If you want to do that stay in the pub. The ticket price will buy a few more drinks.
I'd agree with Bennydorano that there is a huge gap between the top 4 teams and those below and its probably getting wider.
It's almost like it's a different sport or level of sport with how they approach the game. I think Mayo showed last year and this year that they normally operate at a level below Kerry and Dubs but they showed they are capable of a big performance and I suppose Tyrone are hoping they too can raise it.
They certainly did a lot of sloppy play yesterday which the huge scoreline hides and have loads to work on with dome very unforced kicking errors into nobody.
I was pleased to see Mulgrew come back in and prove me wrong as I've never really saw him do a wile lot before that. McCurry still blows hot and cold with some awful shot attempts.
Mattie had huge possession stats again yesterday but didn't seem to do a lot in the game.
McClure played well I thought but seemed to get a lot of hard hits.
Re the train home. I'd say most people knew that would happen and TransLink thought keep all the GAA ones in their own train to stop other passengers complaining or being harassed. They could possibility make 2 carriages alcohol free
Quote from: mcklatchee on August 04, 2017, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on July 30, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
12 long years patiently waiting for another Croke Park showdown to right the injustice of 05 when Russell,in an attempt to curry favour with Tyrone for 1995,awarded Tyrone a match winning easy free.
This match is winnable,imagine the karma of sending Harte and Cavanagh into retirement prematurely
I really don't care what happens Tyrone.
It's another step up for us and a bigger step than the ones negotiated in recent weeks.
The big question is do we stick with the open attractive football that has got us this far against potentially the best defence/defensive system in the country? Or do we try to match them. I think we have to do the former and be clever about it. Rain a few high balls down on the square so that Colm can't stray too far from goal. Put Clarke and Campbell wide. If Tyrone want to go man for man on them that's fine by me. If they want to put a sweeper in front of them then the 3 sweepers across the full width of the Full back line is going to give them problems elsewhere.
Cut down the fouls and keep the width and we have a chance. Fail to either of those and I would fear for us.
Found it. We did nothing remotely close to this.
My point Lcohen is that Armagh have been training to play a certain way. That changes against Tyrone. Dublin have been preparing to face Tyrone all year just as Tyrone have been training to face them. Armagh are physically not on the same level as either. It is true that creating width helps beat the blanket but Tyrone suffocate the centre area. Shots from wide areas are more difficult to take. If you get ahead early and draw them out then the width will create more space in attack. Dublin are usually ahead. They may find it much more difficult against Tyrone.
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 06, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Grimley's wasn't a free. It was a mark. He has 5 seconds and must take it himself. Ref was right
I did wonder about that. Cheers for clearing it up. I'd say the one were he hopped the ball after Donaghu caught the kick out was baffling
Quote from: tyroneman on August 06, 2017, 12:05:23 AM
Very much men against boys. Div 3 vs Top 3.
As I said previously I really didn't understand how Armagh were being given so much credit from (just) beating average teams while Tyrone were being dismissed as not having been tested.
Tyrone dispatched whoever they met with aplomb. You can't ask for more than that.
Armagh really need to settle on a system that works for their players and then get it ingrained over a number of years.
I still think we are a marquee forward or two away from beating the Dubs/Kerry but anything can happen on the day....
Good to see that on a day where many players were poor (compared to normal) we had players stepping off the bench to power us on.
Hope the injury to big Colly isn't too bad. Hospital pass he was given.
So much for renaissance man Clarke. He was never going to get the time and space Kildare offered him and he seemed to be quite frustrated by the end.
You can ask for more than that Aplomb and custard.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 09:15:11 AM
My point Lcohen is that Armagh have been training to play a certain way. That changes against Tyrone. Dublin have been preparing to face Tyrone all year just as Tyrone have been training to face them. Armagh are physically not on the same level as either. It is true that creating width helps beat the blanket but Tyrone suffocate the centre area. Shots from wide areas are more difficult to take. If you get ahead early and draw them out then the width will create more space in attack. Dublin are usually ahead. They may find it much more difficult against Tyrone.
To confuse width in the attack with taking shots from out wide misses the point entirely
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 06, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 06, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Grimley's wasn't a free. It was a mark. He has 5 seconds and must take it himself. Ref was right
I did wonder about that. Cheers for clearing it up. I'd say the one were he hopped the ball after Donaghu caught the kick out was baffling
Standing inside the D when the ball was kicked
Does mccarron miss the semi final? Hearing mixed reports.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
Does mccarron miss the semi final? Hearing mixed reports.
No, so far as I'm aware, but a repeat in the Semi (2 more yellows) would see him miss the final.
Expected a bit of a challenge but ended up being easier than I thought.
Armagh changed the tactics from the Kildare game which seems crazy. Suppose that's what you get for 50k.
While we ran up a big score line we were very sloppy and missed a lot. Won't do against the dubs. They are s proven team. We still haven't been tested this year. Mc Carron was excellent. CC won't get much easier intercounty games. Bradley's movement superb. Sean is playing out time and don't think he will last the full game v Dublin
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 09:15:11 AM
My point Lcohen is that Armagh have been training to play a certain way. That changes against Tyrone. Dublin have been preparing to face Tyrone all year just as Tyrone have been training to face them. Armagh are physically not on the same level as either. It is true that creating width helps beat the blanket but Tyrone suffocate the centre area. Shots from wide areas are more difficult to take. If you get ahead early and draw them out then the width will create more space in attack. Dublin are usually ahead. They may find it much more difficult against Tyrone.
To confuse width in the attack with taking shots from out wide misses the point entirely
The problem is that Tyrone do not play 1 or 2 sweepers. It was interesting to see how they had 11 or 12 players covering the scoring zone. If you have players wide you still some how have to get the ball from there to the scoring zone. There is also the possibility that they will let players stay wide as they are confident they cannot score from there. Even if they mark them they could have 10 players in the scoring zone defending. Armagh players in general did not have the upper body strength to break tackles either.
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 06, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 06, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Grimley's wasn't a free. It was a mark. He has 5 seconds and must take it himself. Ref was right
I did wonder about that. Cheers for clearing it up. I'd say the one were he hopped the ball after Donaghu caught the kick out was baffling
Standing inside the D when the ball was kicked
In that case he was inconsistent on occasions
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 06, 2017, 09:41:37 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 06, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 06, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Grimley's wasn't a free. It was a mark. He has 5 seconds and must take it himself. Ref was right
I did wonder about that. Cheers for clearing it up. I'd say the one were he hopped the ball after Donaghu caught the kick out was baffling
Standing inside the D when the ball was kicked
In that case he was inconsistent on occasions
Can't think of any myself but will take your word for it
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 06, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 06, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Grimley's wasn't a free. It was a mark. He has 5 seconds and must take it himself. Ref was right
I did wonder about that. Cheers for clearing it up. I'd say the one were he hopped the ball after Donaghu caught the kick out was baffling
Standing inside the D when the ball was kicked
I think the ball has to travel 13m. Tyrone players took at least 2 kickouts inside the D in the second half and no free was given.
As for the Grimley free I thought it was borderline weither he took too long or not. Free was only given after he had kicked the ball.
In other news, that Mayo muppet David Brady predicted "an Armagh win - Tyrone haven't been tested in Ulster, and Armagh have the momentum..." Why are clowns such as that afforded the oxygen to spout such drivel?
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 06, 2017, 09:41:37 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 06, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:00:08 AM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 06, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Men against boys yesterday...it was always going to be a tall order for armagh to even make a game of it. Still the manner of the defeat is extremely disappointing. Tyrone are some outfit and I would love to see them beat Dublin. Can't wait for the game. Not a lot to say about Armagh that hasn't been said. Some positives to be taken from the season as a whole but we have a lot of work to do to be a team that regularly makes the quarter finals. I do believe however we have a set of players who can achieve that in a few years time.
I thought the knee McCann took to the head looked like an accident...I'm sure Harte will be annoyed with McCarron as he now misses the semi final?
One tiny complaint about the ref! Ball was hopped in the first half when Armagh were taking too long to take a feee yet he allowed Morgan the time to stroll up the pitch to take a few? Winds me up!!
Anyway goodluck to Tyrone in the semi final
Grimley's wasn't a free. It was a mark. He has 5 seconds and must take it himself. Ref was right
I did wonder about that. Cheers for clearing it up. I'd say the one were he hopped the ball after Donaghu caught the kick out was baffling
Standing inside the D when the ball was kicked
In that case he was inconsistent on occasions
Can't think of any myself but will take your word for it
I was inline with it. There were a couple of instances were Tyrone players caught the ball f the kick out inside the d. Another Armagh one also. It looked like he ref was saying the ball hadnt gone over the 21
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 09:49:16 AM
In other news, that Mayo muppet David Brady predicted "an Armagh win - Tyrone haven't been tested in Ulster, and Armagh have the momentum..." Why are clowns such as that afforded the oxygen to spout such drivel?
Haha I actually forgot about that. Thanks for giving me the laugh.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 09:40:24 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 06, 2017, 09:15:11 AM
My point Lcohen is that Armagh have been training to play a certain way. That changes against Tyrone. Dublin have been preparing to face Tyrone all year just as Tyrone have been training to face them. Armagh are physically not on the same level as either. It is true that creating width helps beat the blanket but Tyrone suffocate the centre area. Shots from wide areas are more difficult to take. If you get ahead early and draw them out then the width will create more space in attack. Dublin are usually ahead. They may find it much more difficult against Tyrone.
To confuse width in the attack with taking shots from out wide misses the point entirely
The problem is that Tyrone do not play 1 or 2 sweepers. It was interesting to see how they had 11 or 12 players covering the scoring zone. If you have players wide you still some how have to get the ball from there to the scoring zone. There is also the possibility that they will let players stay wide as they are confident they cannot score from there. Even if they mark them they could have 10 players in the scoring zone defending. Armagh players in general did not have the upper body strength to break tackles either.
Tyrone are difficult to play against. The opportunities are slim but I would rather spend time on opportunities than excuses.
They keep men back. Mainly in the centre and they get more back when we get the ball. We carry the ball to midfield and then hit it to a narrow attack and get out numbered. Never going to work. Put men wide. If Tyrone let them operate man on man then hit up the wide channel early. More chance of securing the initial ball and less Tyrone men back when we try to work something.
On the other hand if they do double up out wide it eeks out a little more space in the centre.
We settled for being told what to do and accept what was coming to us
David Brady is a useless pundit - some of the stuff he comes out with is tragic
Last year he was in the middle of telling us how Jim McGuiness was training the Mayo team (day before AI final) only to change his mind live on air as he got a text message.
All he ever says is "As the man says..." - muppet
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 06, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
David Brady is a useless pundit - some of the stuff he comes out with is tragic
Last year he was in the middle of telling us how Jim McGuiness was training the Mayo team (day before AI final) only to change his mind live on air as he got a text message.
All he ever says is "As the man says..." - muppet
"If you look at the quality in the Ulster championship
, I don't think Tyrone are in the top three [in Ireland]," Brady said."I honestly don't and they [Armagh] can seriously give them a challenge. Tyrone, the win over Donegal is probably put into reflection now. That is wasn't as good as you would have made out. It is a big game for Tyrone. Your form and and confidence is dictated by your quarter-final.
I think Armagh have an excellent opportunity."When teams are successful going through the back door, there was a unity about Armagh and a purpose. You could see them afterwards that they were really embracing each other and
I think they can really challenge Tyrone. McGeeney knows Ulster football, Tyrone football, inside out and Mickey Harte vice-versa."
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:03:08 AM
Just in. Long day. Have read nothing.
Bad day for the super 8 concept. Where are they going to get 8?
Hugely disappointed in our performance. We deployed tactics that were guaranteed to never work. We give in before throw in. Absolute cowardice.
I read all week about the influence of 02. Where was it?
We voluntarily decided to concede possession from all Tyrone kick outs. Was that 02?
We watched this go spectacularly wrong. We did nothing about it. What were the 02 boys saying or doing about it? Giving up? Giving in? Games are unwinnable and that justifies giving up?
We allow McCrory to take McParland for a tour of HQ and do nothing to pass him on. Mickey Harte dictates our tactics. This apparently is something we should settle for?????
Mickey Harte's dearest wish was that we would abandon our game plan, retreat to defence, leave one of front, in the central channel, right in the line of their sweeper . We gave Mickey all his christmasses, birthdays and probably the horn at once.
The set up was inexcusable. The failure to respond a disgrace
Stick to our guns. Got beat with our own game plan and actually give it a go and at least there would be some pride. There was no pride in that
Tremendous post.
McGeeney bottled it, stifled our best and let Harte dictate our gameplan, I have never seen anything like it.
Tyrone were magnificent, they knew they had our number before a ball was kicked and they destroyed us as soon as she was thrown in, nothing fixes this except a complete overhaul from the youngest levels up, we need to be limiting touches at practices, we need to modernise training practices and we need to ge the f**k out od division three, no excuses, no bullshit about the referees, we need to get promoted, promoted again and we need a new leader at the helm, McGeeney is a donkey, we need a thoroughbred and we need him now!
As far as I am aware the rule is kick out should travel 13m. Donaghy caught his very close to the 13m line and in no way was 13m away from Hughes. I had an excellent view of it. Some Tyrone kick out were taken inside the Semi circle but (the ones I seen up close) were at the very edge of the circle and, obviously, deemed by Gough to have travelled the required distance.
Just seen the brief highlights on the GAA Facebook page. Jaysus, Mulgrew fairly took the second goal well. Loved the dumb hand pass and the side footed finish on both goals were superb. All this from a lad who is only 19!
Couple more points, Connal McCann and McGreary both will be under extreme pressure to hold their place. For a big man Connal needs to dominate more in the air and he missed a lot of shots, especially two pretty handy ones on the Hogan stand side in the first half. You could see from his reaction that those misses would put big pressure on his position. McGreary just didn't get going at all, I thought.
No argument with the result, Tyrone were the better side and the game was effectively over after 10/15 minutes as you could see that the gameplan Armagh adopted was never going to trouble Tyrone. Pure stupidity from the Armagh management. The only way to stand a chance was to keep 2/3 men inside and kick the ball in long yet we persisted with a short passing running game which Tyrone are experts at turning over the opposition and breaking quickly. As for Tyrone they are a really joyless side to watch and it's easy to detest their style of play. They have a few great footballers in Harte and Donnelly but the rest are just entrenched in a robotic system. That said, it is very effective and I do believe they will go on and win the All Ireland.
Are all the lads on here who were calling for Mickey Hartes head happy to pull their horns in, or do Tyrone have to beat Dublin to convince them?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
No argument with the result, Tyrone were the better side and the game was effectively over after 10/15 minutes as you could see that the gameplan Armagh adopted was never going to trouble Tyrone. Pure stupidity from the Armagh management. The only way to stand a chance was to keep 2/3 men inside and kick the ball in long yet we persisted with a short passing running game which Tyrone are experts at turning over the opposition and breaking quickly. As for Tyrone they are a really joyless side to watch and it's easy to detest their style of play. They have a few great footballers in Harte and Donnelly but the rest are just entrenched in a robotic system. That said, it is very effective and I do believe they will go on and win the All Ireland.
On the contrary I rather enjoyed yesterday
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
Are all the lads on here who were calling for Mickey Hartes head happy to pull their horns in, or do Tyrone have to beat Dublin to convince them?
Unfortunately AZ, that is the case for some, nothing less than the AI itself will suffice.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 06, 2017, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
No argument with the result, Tyrone were the better side and the game was effectively over after 10/15 minutes as you could see that the gameplan Armagh adopted was never going to trouble Tyrone. Pure stupidity from the Armagh management. The only way to stand a chance was to keep 2/3 men inside and kick the ball in long yet we persisted with a short passing running game which Tyrone are experts at turning over the opposition and breaking quickly. As for Tyrone they are a really joyless side to watch and it's easy to detest their style of play. They have a few great footballers in Harte and Donnelly but the rest are just entrenched in a robotic system. That said, it is very effective and I do believe they will go on and win the All Ireland.
On the contrary I rather enjoyed yesterday
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
Are all the lads on here who were calling for Mickey Hartes head happy to pull their horns in, or do Tyrone have to beat Dublin to convince them?
There were a couple of posters (more than likely one with additional profiles) that were wagering a campaign of bile towards Harte (often very personal) on the Tyrone area. Same poster has become very quiet recently.
After watching the two games yesterday, I can't comment on how the Tyrone tactics looked as I was delighted that we won by 18 points and get a crack at Dublin in the semis. What I can say about that game is that there were some tremendous scores from the wings, goals, lightening pace-kick and hand passing, long and shot kickouts used efficiently. Big Sean is approaching a season peak-I was watching him closely as I was wondering about his form in previous games. Looks Physically stronger all the time and up and down the field all day. He was in free space several times for goal chances and scored a couple of lovely points. The man is a legend and
I am excited about how he will perform against the Dubs.
Watching the Dublin game as a neutral, I can say that the physical power and pace of the Dublin players is frightening-in the first half the team intensity was electric. However, I would be concerned about how they finished. Allowed Monaghan back into the gameplay and fluffed many chances with a weak finish. Compare this to Tyrone's barnstorming finishes in all of their games. There weren't many cheers from the hill as most of the scores were rudimentary scoring opportunities. Brogan disappointing when he came on.
For the neutral, I don't know what is worse, watching a team (Tyrone) who is tactically set up to defend and attack at pace, or watching a team (Monaghan) who doesn't defend appropriately against a physically superior team, allowing the game to be over after 15 minutes. I would have preferred a dour slugfest in the second game and seen Monaghan come close to Dublin.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
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Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:03:08 AM
Just in. Long day. Have read nothing.
Bad day for the super 8 concept. Where are they going to get 8?
Hugely disappointed in our performance. We deployed tactics that were guaranteed to never work. We give in before throw in. Absolute cowardice.
I read all week about the influence of 02. Where was it?
We voluntarily decided to concede possession from all Tyrone kick outs. Was that 02?
We watched this go spectacularly wrong. We did nothing about it. What were the 02 boys saying or doing about it? Giving up? Giving in? Games are unwinnable and that justifies giving up?
We allow McCrory to take McParland for a tour of HQ and do nothing to pass him on. Mickey Harte dictates our tactics. This apparently is something we should settle for?????
Mickey Harte's dearest wish was that we would abandon our game plan, retreat to defence, leave one of front, in the central channel, right in the line of their sweeper . We gave Mickey all his christmasses, birthdays and probably the horn at once.
The set up was inexcusable. The failure to respond a disgrace
Stick to our guns. Got beat with our own game plan and actually give it a go and at least there would be some pride. There was no pride in that
Tremendous post.
McGeeney bottled it, stifled our best and let Harte dictate our gameplan, I have never seen anything like it.
Tyrone were magnificent, they knew they had our number before a ball was kicked and they destroyed us as soon as she was thrown in, nothing fixes this except a complete overhaul from the youngest levels up, we need to be limiting touches at practices, we need to modernise training practices and we need to ge the f**k out od division three, no excuses, no bullshit about the referees, we need to get promoted, promoted again and we need a new leader at the helm, McGeeney is a donkey, we need a thoroughbred and we need him now!
And I forgot to mention turning our backs to Colm Cavanagh and letting him run through the middle. Really smacked of the spirit of O2
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I echo the comments on the train.I took the train today,one of the three specials.Fine on the way down,but a nightmare coming home.I was on the last train from Connolly (supposed to be departing at 9.20pm,left at 9.40pm,took a full hour to get to Drogheda.Young and not so young carrying parcels of drink (is there any other form of public transport that would allow this), and Liverpool fans on the train as well,and sadly copious amounts of sectarian songs being sung as the mainly young ones downed the alcohol.Also only for the intervention of a couple of wiser heads,there would have been fights breaking out too.Never again will I use a "GAA special", this is not the image GAA should be sending out,I was disgusted,God knows what anyone on the train of a non GAA disposition felt.
From chatting to Armagh ones from around the city there seems to be a scummer element from the Portadown/Lurgan contingent that can't go to any match without a feed of drink.
There is a sense of "I'd like to see them take the drink off us". They are probably right in that. But eventually translink/NIR might just say they won't bother with the GAA special and properly police the normal train. There is no automatic right to have a train put on for you so that you can behave like a lout.
All translink need to do is ban carry outs and restrict the bar to 1 drink per person per serve. There were ones bringing 2 crates of beer with them on board ffs.
It's only a matter of time before some YouTube footage makes us all embarrassed and translink's position difficult
Another thing that annoys me. Go to a match, have a few drinks no problem. But why get so strong that you annoy the head of everyone and not remember or care about the game. If you want to do that stay in the pub. The ticket price will buy a few more drinks.
Agreed, there is an element who use it as an excuse to emulate the behaviour of their townsfolk on the 12th. Not representative of genuine Armagh supporters (who they embarrass), hope other counties realise this. Well done Tyrone, looked like minors v seniors!
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
Well done Tyrone. Now go and rattle the dubs. We are a while off but building. If someone had said to me coming out of the marshes we would make quarters I would have offered them a lift to st Luke's.
The Tyrone games have been dull for a neutral this summer but that's not the fault of Tyrone. It's the fault of inept opponents. Against a better team with a closer game it'll be fine to watch. How people can accuse a team that's scores an insane amount of being dour and defensive is beyond me.
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
I disagree Fear, we have marquee forwards but our system of play doesn't allow us to play them.
Either way, given the scores we are racking up it doesn't matter currently.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
Setting up negatively, playing 13 men behind the ball and picking off scores from low risk moves is not entertaining. Taking 20 scores from that style makes you good at it. It doesn't make it entertaining.
Entertaining the neutral is not the objective of the team but it might reasonably be the objective of the rule makers and games organisers
Take your stance to its ultimate conclusion. Tyrone win the next 10 Sams. Played out to an ecstatic bunch of red hand followers overjoyed at the results they read because the games were too dull to watch
Quote from: Jayop on August 06, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
The Tyrone games have been dull for a neutral this summer but that's not the fault of Tyrone. It's the fault of inept opponents. Against a better team with a closer game it'll be fine to watch. How people can accuse a team that's scores an insane amount of being dour and defensive is beyond me.
It being beyond you doesn't make it untrue
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
Setting up negatively, playing 13 men behind the ball and picking off scores from low risk moves is not entertaining. Taking 20 scores from that style makes you good at it. It doesn't make it entertaining.
Entertaining the neutral is not the objective of the team but it might reasonably be the objective of the rule makers and games organisers
Take your stance to its ultimate conclusion. Tyrone win the next 10 Sams. Played out to an ecstatic bunch of red hand followers overjoyed at the results they read because the games were too dull to watch
You overlook some basics here: Tyrone yesterday hardly ever coughed up the ball to Armagh, compared to the latter who couldn't retain possession at times; the power, presence, and precision of our game is something to behold, though not to be beheld universally, granted; scores must still be taken, and that's never as trivial as you're implying here; if the game is as unattractive as you're suggesting, the onus is on the powers that be to address that, not individual teams; we are not unique in our defensive-minded approach -- Dublin were equally peopled defensively in the second game.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
Setting up negatively, playing 13 men behind the ball and picking off scores from low risk moves is not entertaining. Taking 20 scores from that style makes you good at it. It doesn't make it entertaining.
Entertaining the neutral is not the objective of the team but it might reasonably be the objective of the rule makers and games organisers
Take your stance to its ultimate conclusion. Tyrone win the next 10 Sams. Played out to an ecstatic bunch of red hand followers overjoyed at the results they read because the games were too dull to watch
You overlook some basics here: Tyrone yesterday hardly ever coughed up the ball to Armagh, compared to the latter who couldn't retain possession at times; the power, presence, and precision of our game is something to behold, though not to be beheld universally, granted; scores must still be taken, and that's never as trivial as you're implying here; if the game is as unattractive as you're suggesting, the onus is on the powers that be to address that, not individual teams; we are not unique in our defensive-minded approach -- Dublin were equally peopled defensively in the second game.
The possession issue is not being contested. But low risk passing is part of the problem
I never said that it was up to change. I merely said it was boring to watch. Which it is. But by all means let the authorities look at the rules to reinvigorate the game and its traditional skills
Dublin were not equally defensive. They kept a lot more men forward. It was key to how they played
Armagh fans. As you waken up to a stonking Buckfast hangovers thinking the weekend can't get much worse, remember you still have to go to work tomorrow and face your Tyrone workmates! 8) ;)
I wouldn't say the Tyrone style of play is overly aesthetically pleasing on the eye or over entertaining but it is enthralling to watch. The intensity you guys bring is something else though. To me you are team of athletes rather than skilful players. That's not to say your players don't have skills because they do but your athleticism is more to the fore. Should be a good game against Dublin but I hope the dubs win. Sorry.
Well done Tyrone, superb outfit who will give the Dubs their fill of it. Hard style of play to watch, but maybe when your team are 18 points down, that's the way it should be. I didn't see an 18 points drubbing coming, maybe 5 or 6, but 18, jeez, a complete non-event for Armagh with the game being over after 10 minutes. Both sets of fans who travelled deserved to see a better effort than that. An awful lot for the Armagh set-up to come to terms with over the winter. For starters, Armagh didnt have the upper body strength to complete with Tyrone, were miles behind in the physical stakes, was like Senior vs Minor throughout. Armagh just couldn't break a tackle and it was obvious from very early on that the gulf between the teams was huge. A winter in the gym will do some of the Armagh team no harm, working on their upper body strength in particular.
Progress from Armagh this year, albeit an awful end to the season, but progress none the less. Getting out of Div 3 is the priority for now, and consistently becoming a last 8 team should not be beyond Armagh. However, a long way to go to get to the levels of Tyrone if that is possible. But the season ticket will be bought again next season, and off we go in hope and expectation once again.
Good luck Tyrone, Sam could be for the bushes once again. I look forward to watching the semi with a pint in hand in Spain on the hols :P
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 06, 2017, 12:32:03 PM
Armagh fans. As you waken up to a stonking Buckfast hangovers thinking the weekend can't get much worse, remember you still have to go to work tomorrow and face your Tyrone workmates! 8) ;)
Not all of us thankfully. I only have to see my brothers Tyrone in laws at his sons christening today!!!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
The best teams are usually elegant. Even Donegal had flashes of it.
You can win with journeymen forards.Clare did it in 95. But it would be easier with a Stephen O'Neill or an Oisin.
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
The possession issue is not being contested. But low risk passing is part of the problem
I never said that it was up to change. I merely said it was boring to watch. Which it is. But by all means let the authorities look at the rules to reinvigorate the game and its traditional skills
Dublin were not equally defensive. They kept a lot more men forward. It was key to how they played
"Low risk passing", as you term it, demands extremely high levels of precision, fitness, and skill, however unpleasing to the eye you find it. Regarding Dublin and bodies back -- Monaghan, alas, presented no real challenge, wait till you see the set-up against ourselves! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
The possession issue is not being contested. But low risk passing is part of the problem
I never said that it was up to change. I merely said it was boring to watch. Which it is. But by all means let the authorities look at the rules to reinvigorate the game and its traditional skills
Dublin were not equally defensive. They kept a lot more men forward. It was key to how they played
"Low risk passing", as you term it, demands extremely high levels of precision, fitness, and skill, however unpleasing to the eye you find it. Regarding Dublin and bodies back -- Monaghan, alas, presented no real challenge, wait till you see the set-up against ourselves! ;)
It was you who said that Dublin were equally defensive yesterday. I merely pointed out that wasn't true. Something you appear to be warming to
The worries that the Armagh fans had about our difficulties in breaking down blanket defences all year came to fruition big style yesterday. The nonsense posted by some about Armagh adopting a physical approach was also shown up for what it was. Our physical conditioning was miles off Tyrone's. Some have mentioned the need for some serious gym work in the Armagh. That is, of course, correct and again makes a fallacy of this McGeeney producing gym monkeys line. The winter needs to be spent coaching our lads to break a blanket defence. We went to the blanket in ones and twos. We need to commit more men in that area and hit it at pace.
That said, the players have to be praised for the championship run they have given us and we shouldn't forget that although yesterday was so disappointing.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
Exactly how I would feel if the shoe was on the other foot.
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:53:55 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 12:30:58 PM
The possession issue is not being contested. But low risk passing is part of the problem
I never said that it was up to change. I merely said it was boring to watch. Which it is. But by all means let the authorities look at the rules to reinvigorate the game and its traditional skills
Dublin were not equally defensive. They kept a lot more men forward. It was key to how they played
"Low risk passing", as you term it, demands extremely high levels of precision, fitness, and skill, however unpleasing to the eye you find it. Regarding Dublin and bodies back -- Monaghan, alas, presented no real challenge, wait till you see the set-up against ourselves! ;)
It was you said that Dublin were equally defensive yesterday. I am merely pointed out that wasn't true. Something you appear to be warming to
Dublin will be as defensive as they have to be, when required, we're not unique in that respect. Though I couldn't care really, just so long as we outscore the opposition, that's all that really counts.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 11:35:47 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 10:58:46 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 06, 2017, 10:53:27 AM
As is your entitlement. My idea of good entertaining football does not involve flooding the defence and then endlessly hand passing and soloing up the field.
As is your prerogative, but so long as we score more than the opposition it'll be our indulgence too ;)
That makes perfect sense right up to the point where you give it a moments thought.
When you are watching games that don't involve your team, do find these tactics entertaining?
I can actually empatise here, if not to actually sympathise, however, 20 scores from any team does not automatically denote a totally negative mindset -- the reality is that a team, any team, must exploit their resources to maximum effect, to be at all relevant, and since we're not blessed with marquee forwards I think we're doing damned well.
Neutral observer enjoyment is never, never, the principal aim of any team, rather a fortuitous by-product, and quite honestly, so long as we continue to remain on the right side of results, I couldn't actually give a feck, sorry.
The thing about maximising resources is that the results vary case by case.
You can maximise your resources if you have 15 acres of wet land in the Sperrins but
cuir sioda ar gabhar agus is gabhar i gconai e.
The big question is do Tyrone need what they don't have ? Can organisation overcome that handicap ?
I stayed for the vast majority of the Dublin game and they do play more offensive than Tyrone. However, it isn't to the degree that people would have you believe. When Monaghan were on the attack there were regularly only two Dublin attackers in the Farney half. Like Tyrone they will bomb forward when possession is won back. Tyrone will leave Bradley up and that's it.
If i had the chance I'd love to get Mickey's thoughts on the reason he wouldn't commit one more forward to support Mark at all times up front. I suppose it's a balance he has worked out but I'd love to see us try a slightly more attack focused game plan.
The question of whether Dublin or Tyrone is more offensive is indeed a difficult one.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2017, 01:45:06 PM
I stayed for the vast majority of the Dublin game and they do play more offensive than Tyrone. However, it isn't to the degree that people would have you believe. When Monaghan were on the attack there were regularly only two Dublin attackers in the Farney half. Like Tyrone they will bomb forward when possession is won back. Tyrone will leave Bradley up and that's it.
If i had the chance I'd love to get Mickey's thoughts on the reason he wouldn't commit one more forward to support Mark at all times up front. I suppose it's a balance he has worked out but I'd love to see us try a slightly more attack focused game plan.
As an Armagh man you have to hand it to MH, he has reinvented Tyrone football for the fourth time. Everyone knows Tyrone have be building up the tactics they're using to beat the best, and I think Tyrone will do it
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 06, 2017, 12:32:03 PM
Armagh fans. As you waken up to a stonking Buckfast hangovers thinking the weekend can't get much worse, remember you still have to go to work tomorrow and face your Tyrone workmates! 8) ;)
Remind me when Antrim were last in the all Ireland football quarter finals?
Quote from: 02 on August 06, 2017, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 06, 2017, 12:32:03 PM
Armagh fans. As you waken up to a stonking Buckfast hangovers thinking the weekend can't get much worse, remember you still have to go to work tomorrow and face your Tyrone workmates! 8) ;)
Remind me when Antrim were last in the all Ireland football quarter finals?
Cobsidering the size of Antrim compared to Armagh, the strides Antrim have made in football and in hurling is incredible. Laugh at Armagh all you want, but Antrim will always be a joke.
Quote from: Solo_run on August 06, 2017, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: 02 on August 06, 2017, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 06, 2017, 12:32:03 PM
Armagh fans. As you waken up to a stonking Buckfast hangovers thinking the weekend can't get much worse, remember you still have to go to work tomorrow and face your Tyrone workmates! 8) ;)
Remind me when Antrim were last in the all Ireland football quarter finals?
Cobsidering the size of Antrim compared to Armagh, the strides Antrim have made in football and in hurling is incredible. Laugh at Armagh all you want, but Antrim will always be a joke.
😂 You lads must still be drunk
No Tyrone club ever won the all Ireland.
Didn't get home until late last night and TBH haven't the heart to read thru the last 20 pages from yesterday. I was really disappointed with Armagh yesterday, we seem to have went back into our shell again and are better than that display yesterday but in saying all that Tyrone just came out and ripped us a new ass in the first 20 mins. It was game over after about 12-13 mins and thats sad, MH is a great manager and he knew exactly how to beat us and by Jasus did we take a hiding.
It was really frustrating everytime we got the ball from our keeper and tried to attack Tyrone had 14 men behind the ball and I knew we just couldn't break them down, I said to my son after 15 mins we'll be lucky to score 6pts here today (wasn't far wrong). I'm not complaining about Tyrone's style as they play it well and it's effective but by Jasus it's so horrible to play against and horrible to watch but when they win back possesion and attack it's very impressive.
Good luck to Tyrone in the semi's, realistically they're the only team bar Kerry that have a chance of beating the Dubs and it should be a cracker. Dublin can adopt to Tyrone's tactic's too as they have similar type players and it'll prob be down to the team that makes the least mistakes that'll win. Dublin will not be looking forward to playing Tyrone and Tyrone can nick this one. Would love to see a Tyrone v Kerry final...
Good luck Tyrone. (yes having to face the Tyrone men tomorrow morning and even talk about the game is worth pulling a sickie)
Quote from: LCohen on August 06, 2017, 11:37:43 AM
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Just in. Long day. Have read nothing.
Bad day for the super 8 concept. Where are they going to get 8?
Hugely disappointed in our performance. We deployed tactics that were guaranteed to never work. We give in before throw in. Absolute cowardice.
I read all week about the influence of 02. Where was it?
We voluntarily decided to concede possession from all Tyrone kick outs. Was that 02?
We watched this go spectacularly wrong. We did nothing about it. What were the 02 boys saying or doing about it? Giving up? Giving in? Games are unwinnable and that justifies giving up?
We allow McCrory to take McParland for a tour of HQ and do nothing to pass him on. Mickey Harte dictates our tactics. This apparently is something we should settle for?????
Mickey Harte's dearest wish was that we would abandon our game plan, retreat to defence, leave one of front, in the central channel, right in the line of their sweeper . We gave Mickey all his christmasses, birthdays and probably the horn at once.
The set up was inexcusable. The failure to respond a disgrace
Stick to our guns. Got beat with our own game plan and actually give it a go and at least there would be some pride. There was no pride in that
Tremendous post.
McGeeney bottled it, stifled our best and let Harte dictate our gameplan, I have never seen anything like it.
Tyrone were magnificent, they knew they had our number before a ball was kicked and they destroyed us as soon as she was thrown in, nothing fixes this except a complete overhaul from the youngest levels up, we need to be limiting touches at practices, we need to modernise training practices and we need to ge the f**k out od division three, no excuses, no bullshit about the referees, we need to get promoted, promoted again and we need a new leader at the helm, McGeeney is a donkey, we need a thoroughbred and we need him now!
And I forgot to mention turning our backs to Colm Cavanagh and letting him run through the middle. Really smacked of the spirit of O2
Sure Brendan Donaghy stuck his knee in him if that wasnt the spirit of 02 I dont what was
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2017, 01:45:06 PM
I stayed for the vast majority of the Dublin game and they do play more offensive than Tyrone. However, it isn't to the degree that people would have you believe. When Monaghan were on the attack there were regularly only two Dublin attackers in the Farney half. Like Tyrone they will bomb forward when possession is won back. Tyrone will leave Bradley up and that's it.
Just having a quick look through Twitter and i noticed this pic from Wooly Parkinson. Dublin played like this for the majority of the second half.
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/darragh_mccullagh/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170806_143545.jpg) (http://s560.photobucket.com/user/darragh_mccullagh/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170806_143545.jpg.html)
I love the sense of belonging the GAA brings. The unionists got rid of the counties years ago but that is just a detail.
Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 03:24:11 PM
I love the sense of belonging the GAA brings. The unionists got rid of the counties years ago but that is just a detail.
What are you rambling about sure the Orange Order uses counties?
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 06, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
Are all the lads on here who were calling for Mickey Hartes head happy to pull their horns in, or do Tyrone have to beat Dublin to convince them?
I've never called for Mickey's head and have said before that given what he has done for Tyrone that he should be able to decide (within reason) when he wants to leave the job. I think the county board should have given him the extension that he asked for.
However, that doesn't mean he is above being questioned. I have often queried the style of play on which the current team has been built. I believe Tyrone have enough attacking talent to commit a lot more when going forward. Sacrificing that to win games is one thing but I still don't think Tyrone have beaten anyone playing this way that they wouldn't have beaten going with a more open style. Basically, this style has been adopted to beat Dublin. In that respect, the semi final is indeed something of an acid test. If Tyrone can't win or at least make it a real contest, then I would argue that the rebuild of this team hasn't really worked. That doesn't mean Mickey should quit if we lose!
Conall McCann had a really poor game yesterday and I'd say he'll lose his place for the Dublin match. McGeary also didn't have his best game and I'd consider bringing Meyler in for him.
Good to see Richie Donnelly back.
Mickey needs to pull McCarron aside, two really stupid red cards in two games, completely needless considering we were winning handy in both at the time. He could become a bit of a liability at this rate.
A few further random thoughts.
Why did we not believe in ourselves and just have a go? The no fear mantra was quickly forgotten about. Mickey Harte has given every Armagh manager the runaround, we always seem to feel the need to try & 2nd guess his intentions and develop a plan for him rather than just play to our strengths. The loss of Murnin was huge here tho, we wud have been different with him.
At least 1-2 or 1-3 of the first 1-5 came from direct or indirect pressure put on the Armagh Keeper's kickouts. Having done so well v Kildare we assumed this area would be a positive but it turned to a negative very quickly.
I knew the game was up when Jamie Clarke & McParland were both on the edge of our square within the first 10 minutes.
Every substitution further weakened the team, tho I think we did looked jaded so it was a lose lose situation for Mcgeeney really.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2017, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 06, 2017, 01:45:06 PM
I stayed for the vast majority of the Dublin game and they do play more offensive than Tyrone. However, it isn't to the degree that people would have you believe. When Monaghan were on the attack there were regularly only two Dublin attackers in the Farney half. Like Tyrone they will bomb forward when possession is won back. Tyrone will leave Bradley up and that's it.
Just having a quick look through Twitter and i noticed this pic from Wooly Parkinson. Dublin played like this for the majority of the second half.
(http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/darragh_mccullagh/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170806_143545.jpg) (http://s560.photobucket.com/user/darragh_mccullagh/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170806_143545.jpg.html)
What's amazing there is monaghan have left only 2 men back to mark 2. Against tyrone there will be at least 4 or 5 back marking those 2.
I thought Tyrone were very average yesterday. Combined some decent play with lots of sloppy play. I guess once Tyrone went up 8 points in the first few minutes, the game was never going to be a contest. Players drop the intensity that little bit but still too many mistakes and poor play.
Armagh were so poor that even when Tyrone played middlin they still won by 18 points. It seems as if the only tight games the top 3-4 teams can get is at their own training sessions. Tyrone will have to raise the levels considerably for the Dublin game.
A couple of observations from yesterday. Peter Harte is some player. Tiernan McCann has turned into a serious player for Tyrone. He has a great dummy where he motions one way and then goes the other. But it is done at pace and he is past you in a flash. He always solos with the head up. Sludden not as influential as he normally is. Had a great game against the Dubs in the league, so hopefully, he can repeat that. Mattie Donnelly gets a ton of ball and rarely wastes it but you still expect more from the lad but maybe that is unfair on him.
Hospital pass to Colm Cavanagh but Donaghy came out with the intention to nail Cavanagh and caught him with the knee. Hopefully nothing more than a knock as he is so important to the way Tyrone play.
Jamie Clarke lucky to stay on the field when he dropped his knees onto McCann (I think). McCarron wasn't impressed by that and he picked up a card for his reaction.
Harte not inclined to change winning teams but there a few Tyrone players that should be struggling to keep their places. You do feel that Tyrone have been building themselves up for a shot at Dublin. We'll see what they are like in a few weeks time. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for!
It'll be interesting what the sunday game analysts say about the donaghy cowardly challenge with the knee and the incident were clarke dropped the knees on mccann, if they even mention it at all.
Yesterday wasn't a dirty game in the slightest but i thought those two incidents stood out.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 09:49:16 AM
In other news, that Mayo muppet David Brady predicted "an Armagh win - Tyrone haven't been tested in Ulster, and Armagh have the momentum..." Why are clowns such as that afforded the oxygen to spout such drivel?
Well that article was factually incorrect from the start when it said "MAYO LEGEND" ::)
Quote from: phpearse on August 06, 2017, 07:54:26 PM
I thought Tyrone were very average yesterday. Combined some decent play with lots of sloppy play. I guess once Tyrone went up 8 points in the first few minutes, the game was never going to be a contest. Players drop the intensity that little bit but still too many mistakes and poor play.
Armagh were so poor that even when Tyrone played middlin they still won by 18 points. It seems as if the only tight games the top 3-4 teams can get is at their own training sessions. Tyrone will have to raise the levels considerably for the Dublin game.
A couple of observations from yesterday. Peter Harte is some player. Tiernan McCann has turned into a serious player for Tyrone. He has a great dummy where he motions one way and then goes the other. But it is done at pace and he is past you in a flash. He always solos with the head up. Sludden not as influential as he normally is. Had a great game against the Dubs in the league, so hopefully, he can repeat that. Mattie Donnelly gets a ton of ball and rarely wastes it but you still expect more from the lad but maybe that is unfair on him.
Hospital pass to Colm Cavanagh but Donaghy came out with the intention to nail Cavanagh and caught him with the knee. Hopefully nothing more than a knock as he is so important to the way Tyrone play.
Jamie Clarke lucky to stay on the field when he dropped his knees onto McCann (I think). McCarron wasn't impressed by that and he picked up a card for his reaction.
Harte not inclined to change winning teams but there a few Tyrone players that should be struggling to keep their places. You do feel that Tyrone have been building themselves up for a shot at Dublin. We'll see what they are like in a few weeks time. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for!
Yeah, a lot of players really played within himself.
McGeary and Conall McCann were well off the pace and are big contenders to be dropped next time round. McCann blew about 4 scorable chances and made a few poor mistakes in possession. McGeary didn't really impact the game and had a few wayward passes. McCarron looked off the pace and had Clarke been more accurate would have been taken for four or five from play.
In saying that, I think it's only a good thing that we've reached the semi-final by playing in second gear. Guys like Sludden, Hampsey and Donnelly were really quiet yesterday. We need to step it up now but we're in a very good place.
Quote from: bennydorano on August 06, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
A few further random thoughts.
Why did we not believe in ourselves and just have a go? The no fear mantra was quickly forgotten about. Mickey Harte has given every Armagh manager the runaround, we always seem to feel the need to try & 2nd guess his intentions and develop a plan for him rather than just play to our strengths. The loss of Murnin was huge here tho, we wud have been different with him.
At least 1-2 or 1-3 of the first 1-5 came from direct or indirect pressure put on the Armagh Keeper's kickouts. Having done so well v Kildare we assumed this area would be a positive but it quickly turned to a negative very quickly.
I knew the game was up when Jamie Clarke & McParland were both on the edge of our square within the first 10 minutes.
Every substitution further weakened the team, tho I think we did looked jaded so it was a lose lose situation for Mcgeeney really.
Ciaran Mc Keever for Grimley was probably the strangest substitution of the day as,although a fine servant over the years,I dont recall him playing as the fulcrum of their attack at any point in all his daysin orange
What are you on about? Mc Keever scored goals from full forward this season in the NFL.
Ach yesterday was just a flop. It was like Lurgan Celtic playing Barcelona. The atmosphere was a disaster as everyone figured out after about ten minutes that it was over. Literally thousands left at halftime in the Dublin game. Very disappointing that Armagh didn't give it a go, McGeeney's comments are strange - how can a managers thoughts be so disconnected from what the players just did on the pitch ten minutes earlier. Tyrone's athleticism is impressive and they have a game plan which they implement very well. Their forwards haven't met McMahon, Cooper etc yet and that's were they will be severely tested.
Some dicks on that road driving back up. Flying up the inside, cutting in, causing everyone else to break, don't know how there wasn't a pile up - I saw two cars swerve to avoid a serious accident. Sickening really that a small number of people are prepared to put lives at risk.
Quote from: Sportacus on August 06, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
Ach yesterday was just a flop. It was like Lurgan Celtic playing Barcelona.
This sums it up nicely for me
Quote from: T Fearon on August 06, 2017, 08:36:02 PM
What are you on about? Mc Keever scored goals from full forward this season in the NFL.
Surely such a prolific goal machine might have been introduced earlier then....
::)
Quote from: phpearse on August 06, 2017, 07:54:26 PM
I thought Tyrone were very average yesterday. Combined some decent play with lots of sloppy play. I guess once Tyrone went up 8 points in the first few minutes, the game was never going to be a contest. Players drop the intensity that little bit but still too many mistakes and poor play.
Armagh were so poor that even when Tyrone played middlin they still won by 18 points. It seems as if the only tight games the top 3-4 teams can get is at their own training sessions. Tyrone will have to raise the levels considerably for the Dublin game.
A couple of observations from yesterday. Peter Harte is some player. Tiernan McCann has turned into a serious player for Tyrone. He has a great dummy where he motions one way and then goes the other. But it is done at pace and he is past you in a flash. He always solos with the head up. Sludden not as influential as he normally is. Had a great game against the Dubs in the league, so hopefully, he can repeat that. Mattie Donnelly gets a ton of ball and rarely wastes it but you still expect more from the lad but maybe that is unfair on him.
Hospital pass to Colm Cavanagh but Donaghy came out with the intention to nail Cavanagh and caught him with the knee. Hopefully nothing more than a knock as he is so important to the way Tyrone play.
Jamie Clarke lucky to stay on the field when he dropped his knees onto McCann (I think). McCarron wasn't impressed by that and he picked up a card for his reaction.
Harte not inclined to change winning teams but there a few Tyrone players that should be struggling to keep their places. You do feel that Tyrone have been building themselves up for a shot at Dublin. We'll see what they are like in a few weeks time. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for!
Win by 18 points and still crying. I felt the tackle from Clarke you refer to was accidental. Obviously though a Tyrone player would never do such a thing. The Donaghy one was borderline red. It could be said he raised his knee to protect himself. He had to go for the ball and it was a hospital pass to Cavanagh. I assume if either of these is raised the clothesline tackle from Cavanagh on Campbell in the first half will also be considered. For me such a tackle should always be red. I even started a thread earlier in the year saying so.
Ciarán Mc Keever, whilst a great servant of Armagh football was a most curious introduction into the fray. As I remarked at the time, even as a wrecking ball he was of no use.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 06, 2017, 09:40:01 PM
Ciarán Mc Keever, whilst a great servant of Armagh football was a most curious introduction into the fray. As I remarked at the time, even as a wrecking ball he was of no use.
He came on against Tipp to defend a lead. Can only think that Saturday was a swan song. Sad that we had no other forwards to get a taste of headquarters
Good to see Dyas back for Armagh yet.
A classy player so hopefully he can make his comeback next year.
Ach lads c'mon regarding Ciaran McK...the games was over when he came on and it's quite clear that KMcG was giving him his last runout at HQ before the lad hangs up his boots, didn't see much wrong there as he's been a great servant for Armagh over the years and got a few minutes to see out his intercounty career as the match had already been won by Tyrone and there was no way back.
Quote from: illdecide on August 06, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
Ach lads c'mon regarding Ciaran McK...the games was over when he came on and it's quite clear that KMcG was giving him his last runout at HQ before the lad hangs up his boots, didn't see much wrong there as he's been a great servant for Armagh over the years and got a few minutes to see out his intercounty career as the match had already been won by Tyrone and there was no way back.
Agree with this. I said it to my brother at the time too
Fair enough lads, wouldn't be too sore on C Mc K, and tbat he was even available to come on is testimony to the unbelievable durability of the man. Respect.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 06, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
Conall McCann had a really poor game yesterday and I'd say he'll lose his place for the Dublin match. McGeary also didn't have his best game and I'd consider bringing Meyler in for him.
Good to see Richie Donnelly back.
Mickey needs to pull McCarron aside, two really stupid red cards in two games, completely needless considering we were winning handy in both at the time. He could become a bit of a liability at this rate.
Conall McCann will start and will be given a marking job on Brian Fenton. He is one of only 3 or 4 players in the Tyrone team that have the athletic capability to carry out the task and the others have important role to play.
Quote from: oakleafgael on August 06, 2017, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 06, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
Conall McCann had a really poor game yesterday and I'd say he'll lose his place for the Dublin match. McGeary also didn't have his best game and I'd consider bringing Meyler in for him.
Good to see Richie Donnelly back.
Mickey needs to pull McCarron aside, two really stupid red cards in two games, completely needless considering we were winning handy in both at the time. He could become a bit of a liability at this rate.
Conall McCann will start and will be given a marking job on Brian Fenton. He is one of only 3 or 4 players in the Tyrone team that have the athletic capability to carry out the task and the others have important role to play.
McClure is every bit as athletic as Conall McCann and has shown much more to date.
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/rival-gaa-fans-brawl-belfast-13439560
A few Conor McGregor wanabees i doubt
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 06, 2017, 11:03:06 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on August 06, 2017, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 06, 2017, 06:31:44 PM
Conall McCann had a really poor game yesterday and I'd say he'll lose his place for the Dublin match. McGeary also didn't have his best game and I'd consider bringing Meyler in for him.
Good to see Richie Donnelly back.
Mickey needs to pull McCarron aside, two really stupid red cards in two games, completely needless considering we were winning handy in both at the time. He could become a bit of a liability at this rate.
Conall McCann will start and will be given a marking job on Brian Fenton. He is one of only 3 or 4 players in the Tyrone team that have the athletic capability to carry out the task and the others have important role to play.
McClure is every bit as athletic as Conall McCann and has shown much more to date.
McClure has done rightly since he has been introduced but he is a different type of player to McCann. That said McCann is playing a completely different role to the one he plays in club football. It really is a case of horses for courses with this Tyrone team and a testament to Mickey Harte that he has shaped them into genuine All Ireland contenders. He has built the team around their strengths and the scores they are racking up are very impressive for a team that lack a top class forward.
McCann & McGeary should make way for McClure & Rory Brennan. Can't afford to have any weak links against the Dubs
I wouldn't drop McCann-a good direct central runner that may get space if Dublin decide to go wide. McGeary may struggle against a physical Dublin defence.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/rival-gaa-fans-brawl-belfast-13439560
A few Conor McGregor wanabees i doubt
The Buckfast Brigade does Armagh proud once again ::)
I was on one of these Special GAA trains.You had to buy a ticket online,and pay a recorded delivery postage fee,and ticket arrived a few days later with specific train times leaving Newry and returning from Dublin.These were your trains and you could not board any others,so we were told.
Absolutely fine going down,but chaotic going home,as GAA fans and Liverpool supporters were piled on to trains willy nilly,the policy seemed to be to get them all on a train,any train,and back up North,with no regard to patient safety.
As usual a lot of so called fans,both Armagh and Tyrone,male and female,were worse for wear,and allowed to board carrying more bags of booze.The journey home was one of the most unpleasant I ever experienced.Loud,boorish,aggressive behaviour from young louts,threats of fights,sectarian and rebel songs,etc,all unchecked.It also took the special train almost two hours to reach Newry,which was supposed to be the first stop.
These louts harm the GAA's reputation.You never see them at league games,but they relish the train journies to big games in Dublin to drink themselves silly.
Translink bear ultimate responsibility for this.Drunks should not be allowed on trains,should certainly not be allowed to carry booze bags on trains,and anyone causing trouble,drunk or otherwise,should be evicted at the first available station
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 07, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/rival-gaa-fans-brawl-belfast-13439560
A few Conor McGregor wanabees i doubt
The Buckfast Brigade does Armagh proud once again ::)
Wearing Armagh's new 3rd kit, White with a red trim.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Not every County fights on trains... that is incorrect!!
Quote from: screenexile on August 07, 2017, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Not every County fights on trains... that is incorrect!!
That's true there are no train stations in South Derry! :P
Quote from: T Fearon on August 07, 2017, 06:19:38 AM
I was on one of these Special GAA trains.You had to buy a ticket online,and pay a recorded delivery postage fee,and ticket arrived a few days later with specific train times leaving Newry and returning from Dublin.These were your trains and you could not board any others,so we were told.
Absolutely fine going down,but chaotic going home,as GAA fans and Liverpool supporters were piled on to trains willy nilly,the policy seemed to be to get them all on a train,any train,and back up North,with no regard to patient safety.
As usual a lot of so called fans,both Armagh and Tyrone,male and female,were worse for wear,and allowed to board carrying more bags of booze.The journey home was one of the most unpleasant I ever experienced.Loud,boorish,aggressive behaviour from young louts,threats of fights,sectarian and rebel songs,etc,all unchecked.It also took the special train almost two hours to reach Newry,which was supposed to be the first stop.
These louts harm the GAA's reputation.You never see them at league games,but they relish the train journies to big games in Dublin to drink themselves silly.
Translink bear ultimate responsibility for this.Drunks should not be allowed on trains,should certainly not be allowed to carry booze bags on trains,and anyone causing trouble,drunk or otherwise,should be evicted at the first available station
That's armagh football in a nutshell. Arrive as a fan, leave as a patient
Was at H/Q for the match. Very dour game of football tbh. Armagh didn't know how to react to the Tyrone tactics and they played right into their hands. Some of the Tyrone shooting was excellent and their counter attacking was pure class, very hard to stop a man on the rug without fouling! Well done and best of luck against Dublin.
Was going to get the train home but stayed the night and glad for it. The amount of young ones running about the streets before the match poleaxed or off their heads was ridiculous. Was only going to be one outcome from throwing drunken rivals on a train and a shame to hear of kids having to witness that.
Young Armagh and Tyrone fans need to leave the drunken fighting where it belongs, in Cookstown on a Saturday night!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 05, 2017, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 02, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on August 02, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Yous Armagh ones are losing the run of yourselves.
Just be glad you're sharing the same stage as your illustrious neighbours and pray you don't get obliterated.
Far from it, but you might live to regret these intemperate comments. Most Armagh fans know that Tyrone are red hot favourites and at a further stage of development than we are. Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.
You're progressing well the Applesisapples.
How's the buckfast going down? ;D ;D
Firstly I'm a Chateau Neuf man myself. Read what I said, Tyrone didn't fail as they slaughtered us, and it is clear that Armagh have made little if any progress. I wasn't saying it was going to be 4 points, I was stating the obvious. But sure if you want to be a p***k knock yourself out.
Tyrone and Armagh GAA fans train fight investigated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40847951 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40847951)
Quote from: punt kick on August 07, 2017, 09:58:54 AM
Tyrone and Armagh GAA fans train fight investigated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40847951 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-40847951)
Saw the headline this morning and I wondered which sets of fans couldn't have manners together on a train. Didnt take too long to correctly guess the culprits.
Regarding McCarron's sending off, does his 2nd sending off for yellow cards not incur a suspension? He was absolutely brilliant on Saturday but that's twice in a row hes done something daft and got himself the line, he'll be a liability
Think someone said he is ok to play in next game.
TBH we really cant afford to lose him.
This is the game I was really nervous of. All of the games so far have been shadow boxing and anyone who watches football would have known that Armagh would be no match. As I said on Friday -6 points was the bet.
We cannot afford to miss as many chances as we did on Saturday. While the game was over when we decided to take the pot shots and trying to lob the keeper again we need to be absolutely clinical v the Dubs.
Our conversion rate of scores will need to be insanely high
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
Frankly that is balls. There is 3/4 teams that can win Sam.
The rest of Div 1 and top of Div 2 have no chance.
Remind me who won Div 2 and what happened them in cship?
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
Frankly that is balls. There is 3/4 teams that can win Sam.
The rest of Div 1 and top of Div 2 have no chance.
Remind me who won Div 2 and what happened them in cship?
Genius.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
It's not just people from lurgan and portadown though. There's fans throughout the whole county who would donit
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 07, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/rival-gaa-fans-brawl-belfast-13439560
A few Conor McGregor wanabees i doubt
The Buckfast Brigade does Armagh proud once again ::)
BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Absolutely true. I'll never forget a crowd of clowns in kingspan blue on the terrace in clones singing "I'd rather be a Euro than a pound", "go back to your queen", etc etc.
Terrible stuff.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Absolutely true. I'll never forget a crowd of clowns in kingspan blue on the terrace in clones singing "I'd rather be a Euro than a pound", "go back to your queen", etc etc.
Terrible stuff.
It actually looks like there is something wrong/they are not all there with many Cavan fans though (not sure what the PC term is).
Need to take this into account
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Absolutely true. I'll never forget a crowd of clowns in kingspan blue on the terrace in clones singing "I'd rather be a Euro than a pound", "go back to your queen", etc etc.
Terrible stuff.
First world problems!
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Absolutely true. I'll never forget a crowd of clowns in kingspan blue on the terrace in clones singing "I'd rather be a Euro than a pound", "go back to your queen", etc etc.
Terrible stuff.
It actually looks like there is something wrong/they are not all there with many Cavan fans though (not sure what the PC term is).
Need to take this into account
Cavan people look like they like to stick to themselves if you know what I mean.
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
Frankly that is balls. There is 3/4 teams that can win Sam.
The rest of Div 1 and top of Div 2 have no chance.
Remind me who won Div 2 and what happened them in cship?
Did I say win? I said compete!
Quote from: punt kick on August 07, 2017, 11:19:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Absolutely true. I'll never forget a crowd of clowns in kingspan blue on the terrace in clones singing "I'd rather be a Euro than a pound", "go back to your queen", etc etc.
Terrible stuff.
First world problems!
Like fighting on trains the chants had no place at a GAA match.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
Frankly that is balls. There is 3/4 teams that can win Sam.
The rest of Div 1 and top of Div 2 have no chance.
Remind me who won Div 2 and what happened them in cship?
Did I say win? I said compete!
But they arent competing?
Monaghan & Galway are perfect examples of this.
Both games over before half time
You stay classy lads. Make light of fans punching the heads of people on a train. It's no wonder they do it as there is little condemnation within their peers. Like I said trains should not be put on till ye put a leash on your dogs.
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
Frankly that is balls. There is 3/4 teams that can win Sam.
The rest of Div 1 and top of Div 2 have no chance.
Remind me who won Div 2 and what happened them in cship?
Did I say win? I said compete!
But they arent competing?
Monaghan & Galway are perfect examples of this.
Both games over before half time
I agree that realistically only 3 teams are likely to win, but the other Div1 teams should be capable of competing. Any way my point is that a tiered system would lead to more meaningful matches.
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
Frankly that is balls. There is 3/4 teams that can win Sam.
The rest of Div 1 and top of Div 2 have no chance.
Remind me who won Div 2 and what happened them in cship?
Did I say win? I said compete!
But they arent competing?
Monaghan & Galway are perfect examples of this.
Both games over before half time
I agree that realistically only 3 teams are likely to win, but the other Div1 teams should be capable of competing. Any way my point is that a tiered system would lead to more meaningful matches.
They should be competing but they arent and the top teams are pulling away even further.
After watching Saturdays games I have to tend to agree with you. Realistically Armagh/Monaghan wont be anywhere close to winning Sam in the near future.
Would it not be better to have a chance of winning meaningful silverware?
After the hammerings the players took what motivation could they possibly have to get back to the gym in Oct/Nov time?
Unless it is the image of being a county player that is more important to them
Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 07, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/rival-gaa-fans-brawl-belfast-13439560
A few Conor McGregor wanabees i doubt
The Buckfast Brigade does Armagh proud once again ::)
BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.
I'm not saying this particular incident didn't happen as I wasn't there, but the BBC will feckin love reporting it. This was witnessed by a soccer fan in his way back from the Liverpool game apparently.
Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.
Are they reporting on the gender of the Tyrone fan?
Probably boyfriend and girlfriend - there was an Armagh lad in front of me with his Tyrone girlfriend both pished as farts before the game started - her probably worse, after the penalty she was giving it large, he fucked her off and left, young love!
Quote from: vallankumous on August 07, 2017, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.
Are they reporting on the gender of the Tyrone fan?
Probably trans.
Quote from: Sportacus on August 06, 2017, 08:59:11 PM
Ach yesterday was just a flop. It was like Lurgan Celtic playing Barcelona. The atmosphere was a disaster as everyone figured out after about ten minutes that it was over. Literally thousands left at halftime in the Dublin game. Very disappointing that Armagh didn't give it a go, McGeeney's comments are strange - how can a managers thoughts be so disconnected from what the players just did on the pitch ten minutes earlier. Tyrone's athleticism is impressive and they have a game plan which they implement very well. Their forwards haven't met McMahon, Cooper etc yet and that's were they will be severely tested.
Some dicks on that road driving back up. Flying up the inside, cutting in, causing everyone else to break, don't know how there wasn't a pile up - I saw two cars swerve to avoid a serious accident. Sickening really that a small number of people are prepared to put lives at risk.
Probably cyclists.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Absolutely true. I'll never forget a crowd of clowns in kingspan blue on the terrace in clones singing "I'd rather be a Euro than a pound", "go back to your queen", etc etc.
Terrible stuff.
It actually looks like there is something wrong/they are not all there with many Cavan fans though (not sure what the PC term is).
Need to take this into account
Cavan people look like they like to stick to themselves if you know what I mean.
For years they were the only county in Ulster with an all Ireland. They would talk about stuff nobody in Tyrone would understand
Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 07, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/rival-gaa-fans-brawl-belfast-13439560
A few Conor McGregor wanabees i doubt
The Buckfast Brigade does Armagh proud once again ::)
BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.
Fair dig?
Quote from: Applesisapples on August 07, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
If ever there was a convincing argument for a tiered championship Saturdays match was it. A team alternating between the top of Div 3 and the bottom of Div 2 got well and truly spanked. A tiered championship as in hurling will produce better games and teams competing at their own level. It is clear that you need to be in Div 1 or at least the top of Div 2 to compete for Sam. On that showing Armagh are years away from challenging for Sam. If Tyrone had been playing anyone else I would have sat back and admired the ruthlessly efficient manner in which they dispatched Armagh. I hope they go on to win it. On the drink issue, there is an element from Portadown/Lurgan who bring shame on the county when we get to these types of games. Some other Counties have an element like this also.
The point is that hurling already has a "super 8" in that there are a number of counties more or less competitive, although there is a big gap below that. In football, much has been made of Armagh being Division 3, when only the slightest of margins either put them there or kept them there. The football championship has become Dublin and whoever can make themselves competitive to play them, which is only a couple of teams. I think the super 8 is unfortunate for that reason as it will have 3 or 4 teams who will simply get beaten three times.
But fair play to Tyrone, they have organised themselves superbly with players that are probably not hugely better than Armagh, they have just got more out of them. We just have to take a leaf out of their book.
They should just ban alcohol on the train, we don't need these yobs. They'll probably organise a clapped out bus in any case, but it will affect normal people less.
Quote from: seafoid on August 07, 2017, 11:46:46 AM
For years they were the only county in Ulster with an all Ireland. They would talk about stuff nobody in Tyrone would understand
That's 57 years ago.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 11:30:37 AM
You stay classy lads. Make light of fans punching the heads of people on a train. It's no wonder they do it as there is little condemnation within their peers. Like I said trains should not be put on till ye put a leash on your dogs.
I'm just speaking from experience. Cavan fans tend to be quite slow and simple looking, their personal hygeine doesn't tend to be the best and there are a lot of lads with big ears that all seems to share the same surname.
You can make light of that all you want but I suppose where there is little commentary on it among their peers, this kind of breeding will continue to exist.
Quote from: seafoid on August 07, 2017, 11:46:46 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:20:15 AM
Quote from: Taylor on August 07, 2017, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:04:09 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 07, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
I know the type T. They are anonymous from January to mid July and then turn up. As you say every county has them.
Listen ye might not like to hear this but in my opinion there is a significant element of tramps among the Tyrone and Armagh support and I base that on what I've seen over almost 30 years following football. Its time Tyrone and Armagh co boards took some responsibility and take some sort of action before someone gets seriously hurt.
And Fearon, what are train authorities supposed to do? Leave all these drunk people to fights on the train station. Perhaps they should refuse to put on trains for Tyrone and Armagh games in future.
You might not like to hear this, but from my experience, there are a serious amount of simpletons and halfwits among the Cavan support.
Absolutely true. I'll never forget a crowd of clowns in kingspan blue on the terrace in clones singing "I'd rather be a Euro than a pound", "go back to your queen", etc etc.
Terrible stuff.
It actually looks like there is something wrong/they are not all there with many Cavan fans though (not sure what the PC term is).
Need to take this into account
Cavan people look like they like to stick to themselves if you know what I mean.
For years they were the only county in Ulster with an all Ireland. They would talk about stuff nobody in Tyrone would understand
Nobody can understand Cavan people full stop!
No mention of the train stuff on the armagh forum. Edited out or never came up?
Quote from: smelmoth on August 07, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
No mention of the train stuff on the armagh forum. Edited out or never came up?
Don't think it was brought up. Doubt it was blocked as I had posted about people getting hammered and going to matches being a bloody nuisance in the lead up to the game and it wasn't blocked. A few others commented similarly
Classy lads. Whatever about the thugs in the train, some of ye can't bring yourselves to even condemn it which says all that needs to be said about ye. One lad even reckons the woman was probably assaulted by her boyfriend as if that is any less thuggery.
Quote from: punt kick on August 07, 2017, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: vallankumous on August 07, 2017, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.
Are they reporting on the gender of the Tyrone fan?
Probably trans.
The news reported there was a Translink to the story, alright.
Portadown ones were the cause i hear :P
In all fairness though that is brutal. I travelled for years to dublin on the train for matches and thankfully never experienced any of that sh*te. Although the traffic was bad, i am thankfully that myself and family were on a bus full of well behaved souls.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 07, 2017, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 07, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/rival-gaa-fans-brawl-belfast-13439560
A few Conor McGregor wanabees i doubt
The Buckfast Brigade does Armagh proud once again ::)
BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.
I'm not saying this particular incident didn't happen as I wasn't there, but the BBC will feckin love reporting it. This was witnessed by a soccer fan in his way back from the Liverpool game apparently.
Originally reported in the Irish News and repeated by the BBC.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 12:54:15 PM
Classy lads. Whatever about the thugs in the train, some of ye can't bring yourselves to even condemn it which says all that needs to be said about ye. One lad even reckons the woman was probably assaulted by her boyfriend as if that is any less thuggery.
If it was Cavan fans, the woman's boyfriend would probably be her brother. Classy indeed.
Quote from: Throw ball on August 07, 2017, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 07, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
No mention of the train stuff on the armagh forum. Edited out or never came up?
Don't think it was brought up. Doubt it was blocked as I had posted about people getting hammered and going to matches being a bloody nuisance in the lead up to the game and it wasn't blocked. A few others commented similarly
It's one of the things that piss me off when Armagh are in a big match. The sunshine fans and Buckie brigade out in force, trains full, can hardly get a ticket and listening to gobshites slabbering. Its a much nicer experience heading to the McKenna cup or NFL without this shite, even though you're freezing your bollix off.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 12:54:15 PM
Classy lads. Whatever about the thugs in the train, some of ye can't bring yourselves to even condemn it which says all that needs to be said about ye. One lad even reckons the woman was probably assaulted by her boyfriend as if that is any less thuggery.
If it was Cavan fans, the woman's boyfriend would probably be her brother. Classy indeed.
It would never be Cavan fans. There will be no fist fights on the trains back to Roscommon and Mayo either.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 12:54:15 PM
Classy lads. Whatever about the thugs in the train, some of ye can't bring yourselves to even condemn it which says all that needs to be said about ye. One lad even reckons the woman was probably assaulted by her boyfriend as if that is any less thuggery.
If it was Cavan fans, the woman's boyfriend would probably be her brother. Classy indeed.
It would never be Cavan fans. There will be no fist fights on the trains back to Roscommon and Mayo either.
I forgot. Cavan people don't like mixing with outsiders.
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 07, 2017, 07:41:57 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on August 07, 2017, 12:52:55 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on August 07, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
No mention of the train stuff on the armagh forum. Edited out or never came up?
Don't think it was brought up. Doubt it was blocked as I had posted about people getting hammered and going to matches being a bloody nuisance in the lead up to the game and it wasn't blocked. A few others commented similarly
It's one of the things that piss me off when Armagh are in a big match. The sunshine fans and Buckie brigade out in force, trains full, can hardly get a ticket and listening to gobshites slabbering. Its a much nicer experience heading to the McKenna cup or NFL without this shite, even though you're freezing your bollix off.
Agree 100%
Tyrone fans, you can't take them anywhere.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2017, 09:31:41 PM
Tyrone fans, you can't take them anywhere.
Meath fans, they've no thugs to bring them anywhere anymore.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 09:33:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 07, 2017, 09:31:41 PM
Tyrone fans, you can't take them anywhere.
Meath fans, they've no thugs to bring them anywhere anymore.
If Tyrone had a few thugs left they might win a bit more often.
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Would it not just be assumed that it's a disgrace. I don't think it actually needed to be said. Did you want each Tyrone poster to come on and hand wring about it? I'm not sure what Tyrone GAA can do to tackle something that happened off GAA ground. Youths drinking to excess and being involved in antisocial behaviour is a issue nationwide, especially at events that attract a large crowd.
I can't believe it has come to this. Yes, in Armagh we all hate Tyrone, and the result on Saturday was hard to take, but you shake their hands and wish them well for the rest of the championship. That is what we do, and in fairness it's what they would do to if the result had been the other way around.
For GAA fans to be on the news for fighting on a train, we have enough people out there who have no time for our organisation.
Shame on them, for what they have done to the good name of GAA fans in both our counties. Yes you want to win, and it's hard to take a tanking like the one on Saturday, but pictures of fans in Tyrone jerseys fighting on a train, obviously with Armagh fans tarnishes the reputation of all of us, supporters of both countries.
I was sad on Saturday, I'm even more sad now!
Both counties renowned for their scum element, on and off the field, an embarrassment, no wonder no one outside your own counties ever cheer yis on. tramps.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
A few drunks having a bit of fisticuffs on a packed train is hardly something new.
I did a quick check on your posts there, oddly enough there is no post of you condemning Gearoid McKiernan for sectarian abuse of a Monaghan player - maybe your faux outrage has a cloud of bias on its side.
You Cavan people are very insular.
Quote from: charlieTully on August 07, 2017, 11:12:47 PM
Both counties renowned for their scum element, on and off the field, an embarrassment, no wonder no one outside your own counties ever cheer yis on. tramps.
There were plenty of men from your own county cheering Armagh on last week in Croke Park.
This has to be the most embarrassing moral crusade yet. One isolated incident of fist fighting and the board evangelicals have went into meltdown. Of course it was disgraceful behaviour, that's as clear as day. Every county has a following that will drink to excess and cause bother, you'd almost think that the youth of the other 30 counties would have went to Saturday evening mass instead of the off license and stocked up on booze.
Special mention to Charlie, who has just labelled us all tramps in a marvellous display of hypocrisy.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
A few drunks having a bit of fisticuffs on a packed train is hardly something new.
I did a quick check on your posts there, oddly enough there is no post of you condemning Gearoid McKiernan for sectarian abuse of a Monaghan player - maybe your faux outrage has a cloud of bias on its side.
You Cavan people are very insular.
Whataboutery yet again. You have no moral courage and your county board shows no leadership. Image if there was trouble at a soccer match and the club involved said "ah sure they are just a few young pups, nothing to do with us"
Btw it was unacceptable for Gearoid mckiernan to mouth sectarian abuse. He was caught, punished and I am told apologised for his behaviour to drew wylie.
Take some responsibility for the people in your community that get tickets and don your county jersey, demand your county board make a statement saying this is unacceptable. This shite is going on in clones everytime ye play, it not just this one incident. Someone will get seriously hurt.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 07, 2017, 11:18:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k up
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
A few drunks having a bit of fisticuffs on a packed train is hardly something new.
I did a quick check on your posts there, oddly enough there is no post of you condemning Gearoid McKiernan for sectarian abuse of a Monaghan player - maybe your faux outrage has a cloud of bias on its side.
You Cavan people are very insular.
Whataboutery yet again. You have no moral courage and your county board shows no leadership. Image if there was trouble at a soccer match and the club involved said "ah sure they are just a few young pups, nothing to do with us"
Btw it was unacceptable for Gearoid mckiernan to mouth sectarian abuse. He was caught, punished and I am told apologised for his behaviour to drew wylie.
Take some responsibility for the people in your community that get tickets and don your county jersey, demand your county board make a statement saying this is unacceptable. This shite is going on in clones everytime ye play, it not just this one incident. Someone will get seriously hurt.
If it was unacceptable then why did it take you over two years to speak up?
Whataboutery is important in terms of balance and it tells us you like to keep quiet when the unsavoury actions are committed by your own.
What would you know about Tyrone in Clones, sure it's over 20 years since Cavan played in an Ulster final. I think you should stop making things up. You're like man with a fork in a world of soup.
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Ach yesterday was just a flop. It was like Lurgan Celtic playing Barcelona. The atmosphere was a disaster as everyone figured out after about ten minutes that it was over. Literally thousands left at halftime in the Dublin game. Very disappointing that Armagh didn't give it a go, McGeeney's comments are strange - how can a managers thoughts be so disconnected from what the players just did on the pitch ten minutes earlier. Tyrone's athleticism is impressive and they have a game plan which they implement very well. Their forwards haven't met McMahon, Cooper etc yet and that's were they will be severely tested.
Some dicks on that road driving back up. Flying up the inside, cutting in, causing everyone else to break, don't know how there wasn't a pile up - I saw two cars swerve to avoid a serious accident. Sickening really that a small number of people are prepared to put lives at risk.
Probably cyclists.
Hi boy!
Itchy, step down from the podium and take a deep breath. You're making a tit of yourself.
I remember being on the Hill at the AISF, Armagh v Kerry replay in 2000. The behaviour of some of the Lurgan ones was embarrassing all right, and it never broke out into fisticuffs, but with the amount of drunkenness going around I always thought it wouldn't take much to kick it off. It's the kind of town where an incidental bumped elbow in a pub could be enough to start something. Bad gets. Whenever I hear about Armagh fans getting into bother at matches I just roll my eyes because I know the kind of eejits that start it and I can just picture what happened.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 07, 2017, 11:35:29 PM
I remember being on the Hill at the AISF, Armagh v Kerry replay in 2000. The behaviour of some of the Lurgan ones was embarrassing all right, and it never broke out into fisticuffs, but with the amount of drunkenness going around I always thought it wouldn't take much to kick it off. It's the kind of town where an incidental bumped elbow in a pub could be enough to start something. Bad gets. Whenever I hear about Armagh fans getting into bother at matches I just roll my eyes because I know the kind of eejits that start it and I can just picture what happened.
And where would you be from. I'm a lurgan man and proud of it. I was on the hill for that game in 2000. The drawn one. Never seen any trouble from lurgan ones or otherwise
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2017, 11:32:53 PM
Itchy, step down from the podium and take a deep breath. You're making a tit of yourself.
I love working with my Omagh colleagues, without fail I make them clean the toilets on a daily basis.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on August 07, 2017, 11:32:53 PM
Itchy, step down from the podium and take a deep breath. You're making a tit of yourself.
I love working with my Omagh colleagues, without fail I make them clean the toilets on a daily basis.
You're a janitor?
Jesus bomber you really are a p***k, what age you anyway? bringing up something a cavan player say to Wylie cause someone is highlighting sets of fans fighting on a train, you are f**king pathetic
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Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 07, 2017, 11:35:29 PM
I remember being on the Hill at the AISF, Armagh v Kerry replay in 2000. The behaviour of some of the Lurgan ones was embarrassing all right, and it never broke out into fisticuffs, but with the amount of drunkenness going around I always thought it wouldn't take much to kick it off. It's the kind of town where an incidental bumped elbow in a pub could be enough to start something. Bad gets. Whenever I hear about Armagh fans getting into bother at matches I just roll my eyes because I know the kind of eejits that start it and I can just picture what happened.
And where would you be from. I'm a lurgan man and proud of it. I was on the hill for that game in 2000. The drawn one. Never seen any trouble from lurgan ones or otherwise
Outside Lurgan.
Like I said, it was "some" of the Lurgan ones that had one too many to drink, but it only takes one to start something and before you know it there's a scuffle all over the news.
really sad to see this carry on going on in the GAA, i was at the Ulster final this year and the behaviour of the drunk Tyrone fans Behind the goals was embarrassing.Is there any way to keep these hooligans away from future games ?
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k update
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Itchy you're a bit touchy but can see why - didn't mean YOU were disgraceful and embarrassing, I meant the behaviour of the idiots on the train. Yes I am embarrassed that people wearing any GAA jersies were involved. I think anyone on here is of the same opinion.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 07, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
Jesus bomber you really are a p***k, what age you anyway? bringing up something a cavan player say to Wylie cause someone is highlighting sets of fans fighting on a train, you are f**king pathetic
I'm highlighting how a poster went two and a half years without commenting on unsavoury incidents from his own county yet wants to tar all Tyrone fans with a brush due to one incident.
You are pathetic.
Just did another search there.
Unsurprisingly, Itchy was once again unforthcoming when Cavan fans came on the pitch confronting the referee after their u21 defeat to Dublin in 2014.
Itchy - the opportunistic moralist.
This was his only contribution, nothing about his fellow county fans running on shouting at and threatening the referee.
Quote from: Itchy on April 19, 2014, 07:14:14 PM
Load of bull westside. Buying frees, what are you on about? The game was lost due to Dillon seeing black card and Dublin's 13 not. Also moynaghs injury was huge turning point.
Quote from: Rois on August 08, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
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Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k update
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Itchy you're a bit touchy but can see why - didn't mean YOU were disgraceful and embarrassing, I meant the behaviour of the idiots on the train. Yes I am embarrassed that people wearing any GAA jersies were involved. I think anyone on here is of the same opinion.
I wouldn't be sure about Bomber, Rois. He seems to be a membe of the paramilitary keyboard wingnut wing.
Lolz.
Here is Itchy launching a staunch defence of Cavan's behaviour after that particular match.
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html
Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us
Peter Reilly is one of Cavans finest servants and is no joker. The GAA is gone money mad and milking the dubs is top of their agenda. Total joke that game was fixed for portlaoise and if u listen to the audio interview you will hear that is what Peter was referring to.
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 09:15:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html
Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us
Peter Reilly is one of Cavans finest servants and is no joker. The GAA is gone money mad and milking the dubs is top of their agenda. Total joke that game was fixed for portlaoise and if u listen to the audio interview you will hear that is what Peter was referring to.
His behaviour and comments after the game were a disgrace. He might be doing fine work in Cavan but would want to cop himself on
I'll tell the next time I meet him. I'm sure he's awful concerned what the boys in Dublin think about him. Hard to take all the money and advantage Dublin get and then they get the venue and the calls from the ref too.
Sweep, sweep.
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 09:27:52 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 09:15:26 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2014, 09:08:19 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2014, 08:58:54 AM
Some people in Cavan really let themselves down yesterday not least this joker
http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/cavan-boss-maybe-dublin-is-a-team-the-gaa-want-to-win-628329.html
Dubs need their shooting boots on for the next day or the mighty Ros will steamroll us
Peter Reilly is one of Cavans finest servants and is no joker. The GAA is gone money mad and milking the dubs is top of their agenda. Total joke that game was fixed for portlaoise and if u listen to the audio interview you will hear that is what Peter was referring to.
His behaviour and comments after the game were a disgrace. He might be doing fine work in Cavan but would want to cop himself on
I'll tell the next time I meet him. I'm sure he's awful concerned what the boys in Dublin think about him. Hard to take all the money and advantage Dublin get and then they get the venue and the calls from the ref too.
Quote from: seafoid on August 08, 2017, 07:28:54 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 08, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k update
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Itchy you're a bit touchy but can see why - didn't mean YOU were disgraceful and embarrassing, I meant the behaviour of the idiots on the train. Yes I am embarrassed that people wearing any GAA jersies were involved. I think anyone on here is of the same opinion.
I wouldn't be sure about Bomber, Rois. He seems to be a membe of the paramilitary keyboard wingnut wing.
Keep letting Galway's famous 10IAR fester at you Seafoid.
Quote from: Rois on August 08, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k update
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Itchy you're a bit touchy but can see why - didn't mean YOU were disgraceful and embarrassing, I meant the behaviour of the idiots on the train. Yes I am embarrassed that people wearing any GAA jersies were involved. I think anyone on here is of the same opinion.
I hate this shit. The bullying holier than thou brigade forcing decent people into apologizing or feeling embarrassed for actions of a bunch of mindless idiots who are as far removed from the vast vast majority of real GAA fans as can be. Itchy, you are as much part of the society that creates these morons as anyone from Tyrone and if you feel the need to be embarrassed, condemn or apologize then fair enough but otherwise grow up and stop trying to bully reactions out of people.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2017, 07:51:53 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 08, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k update
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Itchy you're a bit touchy but can see why - didn't mean YOU were disgraceful and embarrassing, I meant the behaviour of the idiots on the train. Yes I am embarrassed that people wearing any GAA jersies were involved. I think anyone on here is of the same opinion.
I hate this shit. The bullying holier than thou brigade forcing decent people into apologizing or feeling embarrassed for actions of a bunch of mindless idiots who are as far removed from the vast vast majority of real GAA fans as can be. Itchy, you are as much part of the society that creates these morons as anyone from Tyrone and if you feel the need to be embarrassed, condemn or apologize then fair enough but otherwise grow up and stop trying to bully reactions out of people.
It's very strange Itchy had no condemnations at the time of the Cavan u21 game in 2014 and Gearoid McKiernan incident.
One would suspect his sanctimony must only have developed in the past year or so.
Cavan people are insignificant to us.
We are at the top table now. This is the only kick out of life they would get now
It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
I spoke to a work mate yesterday morning, he was on the train coming from the Liverpool match with his young son and his partner. He said at one point he feared that he'd get bottled. Has never heard as much disgusting language and rebel songs and people standing peeing up against doors.
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
You are bringing the pitch in by pointing the finger at Tyrone fans to condemn and be embarrassed by their actions. This is a bunch of kids who could have red, white, black or blue jerseys on, doing what they do on St Paddys day or on a Saturday night. You are as much part of society that created this drink and loutish culture and as such should be apologizing just as much as anyone from Tyrone.
Quote from: Rois on August 08, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2017, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on August 07, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
An absolute disgrace they need their arses kicked Garda shoulda made arrests and had them sit in the can for a night if nothing else. Obviously translink should ban the booze
Itchy... f**k update
Congrats on being the 1st Tyrone fan to condemn the behaviour.
You resemble the DUP or Stephen Nolan. Take your pick.
Disgraceful and embarrassing.
Where's your outrage at thugs boxing on a train? Ye have no problem abusing me though and comparing me to a bunch of right wing religious nut jobs. Maybe Tyrone fans should be allowed box on a train and everyone should say nothing about it? It's Tyrone gaa that should be embarrassed.
Btw- last week some Roscommon idiots booed Andy Moran, during the week Roscommon GAA showed some leadership and released a statement condemning it. This week no booing. What the chance the Tyrone GAA or St Mickey might show similar leadership?
Itchy you're a bit touchy but can see why - didn't mean YOU were disgraceful and embarrassing, I meant the behaviour of the idiots on the train. Yes I am embarrassed that people wearing any GAA jersies were involved. I think anyone on here is of the same opinion.
Apologies Rois, I mis-read your post.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
You are bringing the pitch in by pointing the finger at Tyrone fans to condemn and be embarrassed by their actions. This is a bunch of kids who could have red, white, black or blue jerseys on, doing what they do on St Paddys day or on a Saturday night. You are as much part of society that created this drink and loutish culture and as such should be apologizing just as much as anyone from Tyrone.
I didnt ask for anyone to apologise for the actions of others - Did I? I said it should be condemned but most importantly the county boards involved should show some leadership and release a statement saying it will not be tolerated. Just like Roscommon did last week on a different issue.
As for this being a societal issue, I don't hear of Kerry fans or Roscommon fans or Mayo fans fighting on trains over the weekend? This behaviour is more prevalent in Tyrone and Armagh than any other county I have encountered over the years. Anyone living in Clones knows that.
Translink have alot to answer for here. They were supposed to ensure people who had tickets for a specific train actually got onto the correct train. There were loads of Liverpool fans on the GAA Special train that I was on. That's fine, but they openly admitted that they've just jumped onto any train. Therefore any overcrowding needs to be levelled at Translink. Also, if the trouble makers on the Enterprise had tickets for the Football special, then why were they on the Enterprise. Either way, a few louts who can't hold their drink give us all a bad name. In future, drink should not be permitted onto the trains, and that will get rid of alot of the loutish behaviour, once again a failing of Translink this time round for allowing boxes of beer to be taken on. I watched a young girl no more than 20 open a half bottle of whiskey on the way down to Dublin ... like WTF!
I was in Croke Park for the Kildare match and having parked, a bus load of 18-22 year olds landed and the proceeded to act the maggot along Drumcondra Road. They were hammered for a start, pushing/shoving each other, bumping into other pedestrians and slabbering for all they were worth. It is great to see and hear big support for the county, but there is nothing more embarrassing to see fellow supporters carrying on like that, all neatly identifiable as Armagh and GAA supporters.
However, if you think this is an Armagh or Tyrone problem you're deluded. Every county has their share of assholes following them and some of them can't even use drink as an excuse for their boorish behaviour. The notion that going to the match includes 6/7 pints in a bar before hand or a carryout on the way down the road. I hesitate to ask, but you can honestly tell me that Cavan doesn't have a problem with laddish behaviour and that these lads wouldn't be in Croke Park the next time Cavan put a run together.
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
You are bringing the pitch in by pointing the finger at Tyrone fans to condemn and be embarrassed by their actions. This is a bunch of kids who could have red, white, black or blue jerseys on, doing what they do on St Paddys day or on a Saturday night. You are as much part of society that created this drink and loutish culture and as such should be apologizing just as much as anyone from Tyrone.
I didnt ask for anyone to apologise for the actions of others - Did I? I said it should be condemned but most importantly the county boards involved should show some leadership and release a statement saying it will not be tolerated. Just like Roscommon did last week on a different issue.
As for this being a societal issue, I don't hear of Kerry fans or Roscommon fans or Mayo fans fighting on trains over the weekend? This behaviour is more prevalent in Tyrone and Armagh than any other county I have encountered over the years. Anyone living in Clones knows that.
Itchy,
Before Saturday, I have never heard of Tyrone or Armagh fans being involved in fighting on a train either.
I dont know what you want normal Tyrone or Armagh fans to do about this, or what you think the county boards can do?
The reality is if a group of young lads (and apparently girls) what to use a game in Croke park as an excuse for a day out on the rip, it doesn't really have anything to do with the GAA or the specific counties as much as it may reflect badly on them.
Itchy you are coming across as a bit of a sanctimonious p***k if truth be told, wind your neck in, a couple of lads boxing on a train has feck all to do with the respective county boards because they were wearing county jerseys.
Quote from: balladmaker on August 08, 2017, 10:47:25 AM
Translink have alot to answer for here. They were supposed to ensure people who had tickets for a specific train actually got onto the correct train. There were loads of Liverpool fans on the GAA Special train that I was on. That's fine, but they openly admitted that they've just jumped onto any train. Therefore any overcrowding needs to be levelled at Translink. Also, if the trouble makers on the Enterprise had tickets for the Football special, then why were they on the Enterprise. Either way, a few louts who can't hold their drink give us all a bad name. In future, drink should not be permitted onto the trains, and that will get rid of alot of the loutish behaviour, once again a failing of Translink this time round for allowing boxes of beer to be taken on. I watched a young girl no more than 20 open a half bottle of whiskey on the way down to Dublin ... like WTF!
Whiskey makes your frisky. ;)
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
What about the actions of Cavan fans and management back in 2014 on their u21 Championship exist?
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 08, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
I spoke to a work mate yesterday morning, he was on the train coming from the Liverpool match with his young son and his partner. He said at one point he feared that he'd get bottled. Has never heard as much disgusting language and rebel songs and people standing peeing up against doors.
What's wrong with rebel songs?
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
You are bringing the pitch in by pointing the finger at Tyrone fans to condemn and be embarrassed by their actions. This is a bunch of kids who could have red, white, black or blue jerseys on, doing what they do on St Paddys day or on a Saturday night. You are as much part of society that created this drink and loutish culture and as such should be apologizing just as much as anyone from Tyrone.
I didnt ask for anyone to apologise for the actions of others - Did I? I said it should be condemned but most importantly the county boards involved should show some leadership and release a statement saying it will not be tolerated. Just like Roscommon did last week on a different issue.
As for this being a societal issue, I don't hear of Kerry fans or Roscommon fans or Mayo fans fighting on trains over the weekend? This behaviour is more prevalent in Tyrone and Armagh than any other county I have encountered over the years. Anyone living in Clones knows that.
That happened at a GAA game. And even at that, I don't think the Roscommon Board needed to issue the statement. Explain to me what a County board can do to stop fans getting intoxicated and fighting on a train or even in pub for that matter? They have no authority over the fans at that stage. If asked about it, I'd expect Mickey to condemn it. Apart from that, I don't think there's anything that can be done that the police haven't done.
It's strange that Itchy thinks it was fine for Cavan fans and management team to accost a match official but gets very sanctimonious when there's some drunken fisticuffs on a packed train.
Hopefully the respective county boards condemned this!!
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 08, 2017, 11:15:25 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:40:28 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 08, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
You are bringing the pitch in by pointing the finger at Tyrone fans to condemn and be embarrassed by their actions. This is a bunch of kids who could have red, white, black or blue jerseys on, doing what they do on St Paddys day or on a Saturday night. You are as much part of society that created this drink and loutish culture and as such should be apologizing just as much as anyone from Tyrone.
I didnt ask for anyone to apologise for the actions of others - Did I? I said it should be condemned but most importantly the county boards involved should show some leadership and release a statement saying it will not be tolerated. Just like Roscommon did last week on a different issue.
As for this being a societal issue, I don't hear of Kerry fans or Roscommon fans or Mayo fans fighting on trains over the weekend? This behaviour is more prevalent in Tyrone and Armagh than any other county I have encountered over the years. Anyone living in Clones knows that.
That happened at a GAA game. And even at that, I don't think the Roscommon Board needed to issue the statement. Explain to me what a County board can do to stop fans getting intoxicated and fighting on a train or even in pub for that matter? They have no authority over the fans at that stage. If asked about it, I'd expect Mickey to condemn it. Apart from that, I don't think there's anything that can be done that the police haven't done.
You are right, they have no direct control but maybe a statement to call it what it is might go someway to shame them into stopping at the next game. Its called influencing without authority, what harm could it do. Its the total radio silence on an issue that has been around these two counties for a while that almost makes it sound acceptable. This is the GAA not English premier league soccer, we should expect better.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2017, 11:21:50 AM
It's strange that Itchy thinks it was fine for Cavan fans and management team to accost a match official but gets very sanctimonious when there's some drunken fisticuffs on a packed train.
Bomber - you are clearly a moron and I will not be engaging in this ridiculous "whataboutery" you have embarked on here. Now get back to your buckfast like a good lad.
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 08, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
I spoke to a work mate yesterday morning, he was on the train coming from the Liverpool match with his young son and his partner. He said at one point he feared that he'd get bottled. Has never heard as much disgusting language and rebel songs and people standing peeing up against doors.
Clearly never been to anfield then
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2017, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 08, 2017, 11:21:50 AM
It's strange that Itchy thinks it was fine for Cavan fans and management team to accost a match official but gets very sanctimonious when there's some drunken fisticuffs on a packed train.
Bomber - you are clearly a moron and I will not be engaging in this ridiculous "whataboutery" you have embarked on here. Now get back to your buckfast like a good lad.
Whataboutery exposes your double standards. That's why you don't want to focus on your support of Cavan fans and management accosting match officials.
I'll just enlighten the forum of the sanctimonious rantings from a sleeveen Cavan hypocrite, probably a Fianna Fail voter I suspect.
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It seems the actions of thugs on a train should now be compared to incidents on the pitch. Maybe I should bring up the many incidents of violence St Mickey and his band of merry men have inflicted on the GAA over the years. Good luck to ye lads - you deserve these drunken louts.
You are bringing the pitch in by pointing the finger at Tyrone fans to condemn and be embarrassed by their actions. This is a bunch of kids who could have red, white, black or blue jerseys on, doing what they do on St Paddys day or on a Saturday night. You are as much part of society that created this drink and loutish culture and as such should be apologizing just as much as anyone from Tyrone.
I didnt ask for anyone to apologise for the actions of others - Did I? I said it should be condemned but most importantly the county boards involved should show some leadership and release a statement saying it will not be tolerated. Just like Roscommon did last week on a different issue.
As for this being a societal issue, I don't hear of Kerry fans or Roscommon fans or Mayo fans fighting on trains over the weekend? This behaviour is more prevalent in Tyrone and Armagh than any other county I have encountered over the years. Anyone living in Clones knows that.
That happened at a GAA game. And even at that, I don't think the Roscommon Board needed to issue the statement. Explain to me what a County board can do to stop fans getting intoxicated and fighting on a train or even in pub for that matter? They have no authority over the fans at that stage. If asked about it, I'd expect Mickey to condemn it. Apart from that, I don't think there's anything that can be done that the police haven't done.
You are right, they have no direct control but maybe a statement to call it what it is might go someway to shame them into stopping at the next game. Its called influencing without authority, what harm could it do. Its the total radio silence on an issue that has been around these two counties for a while that almost makes it sound acceptable. This is the GAA not English premier league soccer, we should expect better.
A few lads had a few drinks and got into a fight - that what it was, no more no less. In fairness to Cavan they usually start the fights, break a bone trying to judas someone and then cry to the papers.
"Whataboutery" is a favourite word to use by hypocrites on Internet forums.
This kind of thing is nothing new. It was just filmed. I seen on Facebook Joe.ie had the video of Armagh and Tyrone fans dancing with the status say: "this is why GAA is the greatest sport in the world". Aye fans being intoxicated acting like idiots is what makes the GAA.
There's always been a drunken element within the mostly good natured Tyrone and Armagh fans in the summer. The Ulster final in I think 99 when Armagh beat Derry in a great game was a particular highlight where we were surrounded by Armagh fans I think from Lurgan. The shite we listened to from start to finish on the Hill in Clones was unreal. If it was soccer fans they'd be referred to as hooligans.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/security-review-as-match-train-is-damaged-1.276439
I'll just park this here.
Quote from: MasterShake on August 08, 2017, 12:41:43 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/security-review-as-match-train-is-damaged-1.276439
I'll just park this here.
Good parking!
There are always gonna be young ones acting the eejit going to games, just as you're always gonna have Cavan and Moanaghan ones whinging about Tyrone.
Next up the Dubs, for hopefully a good game!!!!!!
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 08, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
There are always gonna be young ones acting the eejit going to games, just as you're always gonna have Cavan and Moanaghan ones whinging about Tyrone.
Did you ever hear of Cavan and Monaghan ones wrecking a train?
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Quote from: Dire Ear on August 08, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
There are always gonna be young ones acting the eejit going to games, just as you're always gonna have Cavan and Moanaghan ones whinging about Tyrone.
Did you ever hear of Cavan and Monaghan ones wrecking a train?
Cavan people pay for a train ticket? ;D
Quote from: MasterShake on August 08, 2017, 12:41:43 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/security-review-as-match-train-is-damaged-1.276439
I'll just park this here.
Very sad to see that too. I suppose that justifies Tyrone and Armagh doing it in future so fire away lads and may the best thug win.
I suspect Itchy is on the wind up.
How can someone from Cavan preach about anything given some of their past behaviours
Quote from: Taylor on August 08, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
I suspect Itchy is on the wind up.
How can someone from Cavan preach about anything given some of their past behaviours
He's blotted Cavan's transgressions out of his mind and is pleading Whataboutery.
There is really very little that either county board can do about this incident, however I do think they should issue a statement condemning it.
Reading fans of other counties talk about incidents involving Armagh & Tyrone fans over the years (some as far back as 17 years ago!) is really quite ridiculous...I could recount many incidents over the years where I have seen fans of other counties acting the drunken maggot including Derry lads at the first round of the Championship last year against Tyrone where a group of lads who had clearly been out on the lash from the night before proceeded to call just about every Tyrone player all the c**nts of the day (they were completely stinking too). Thankfully they left before the first half ended. Could talk about similar incidents with Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Meath, Laois and Dublin fans. Maybe it is more prominent with Armagh & Tyrone because they bring a significantly larger support than most other counties (obviously barring Dublin). It would be great if these lads stayed away (like they do until we have a game in Croke Park) but unfortunately I can't see anything changing
The big problem is that in this country just about every big event is turned into a complete piss up. The footage from the train could have been taken in any town across the country on a Saturday night I have no doubt.
Quote from: armaghniac on August 08, 2017, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 08, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
There are always gonna be young ones acting the eejit going to games, just as you're always gonna have Cavan and Moanaghan ones whinging about Tyrone.
Did you ever hear of Cavan and Monaghan ones wrecking a train?
who wrecked a train?
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 08, 2017, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 08, 2017, 01:21:26 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 08, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
There are always gonna be young ones acting the eejit going to games, just as you're always gonna have Cavan and Moanaghan ones whinging about Tyrone.
Did you ever hear of Cavan and Monaghan ones wrecking a train?
who wrecked a train?
I heard they tipped it over and set it on fire, then proceeded to torch the train station.
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 08, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
There is really very little that either county board can do about this incident, however I do think they should issue a statement condemning it.
Reading fans of other counties talk about incidents involving Armagh & Tyrone fans over the years (some as far back as 17 years ago!) is really quite ridiculous...I could recount many incidents over the years where I have seen fans of other counties acting the drunken maggot including Derry lads at the first round of the Championship last year against Tyrone where a group of lads who had clearly been out on the lash from the night before proceeded to call just about every Tyrone player all the c**nts of the day (they were completely stinking too). Thankfully they left before the first half ended. Could talk about similar incidents with Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Meath, Laois and Dublin fans. Maybe it is more prominent with Armagh & Tyrone because they bring a significantly larger support than most other counties (obviously barring Dublin). It would be great if these lads stayed away (like they do until we have a game in Croke Park) but unfortunately I can't see anything changing
The big problem is that in this country just about every big event is turned into a complete piss up. The footage from the train could have been taken in any town across the country on a Saturday night I have no doubt.
That long - was football even invented then?
Quote from: OakleafCounty on August 08, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
This kind of thing is nothing new. It was just filmed. I seen on Facebook Joe.ie had the video of Armagh and Tyrone fans dancing with the status say: "this is why GAA is the greatest sport in the world". Aye fans being intoxicated acting like idiots is what makes the GAA.
There's always been a drunken element within the mostly good natured Tyrone and Armagh fans in the summer. The Ulster final in I think 99 when Armagh beat Derry in a great game was a particular highlight where we were surrounded by Armagh fans I think from Lurgan. The shite we listened to from start to finish on the Hill in Clones was unreal. If it was soccer fans they'd be referred to as hooligans.
2000 i think that final was. Jaysus the lurgan ones are getting a quare tarring here though. It's all the buckfast's fault.
Quote from: punt kick on August 08, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 08, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
There is really very little that either county board can do about this incident, however I do think they should issue a statement condemning it.
Reading fans of other counties talk about incidents involving Armagh & Tyrone fans over the years (some as far back as 17 years ago!) is really quite ridiculous...I could recount many incidents over the years where I have seen fans of other counties acting the drunken maggot including Derry lads at the first round of the Championship last year against Tyrone where a group of lads who had clearly been out on the lash from the night before proceeded to call just about every Tyrone player all the c**nts of the day (they were completely stinking too). Thankfully they left before the first half ended. Could talk about similar incidents with Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Meath, Laois and Dublin fans. Maybe it is more prominent with Armagh & Tyrone because they bring a significantly larger support than most other counties (obviously barring Dublin). It would be great if these lads stayed away (like they do until we have a game in Croke Park) but unfortunately I can't see anything changing
The big problem is that in this country just about every big event is turned into a complete piss up. The footage from the train could have been taken in any town across the country on a Saturday night I have no doubt.
That long - was football even invented then?
Anyone remember an incident in Clones - Qualifier match - possibly 2001 / 2002 - Derry v Dublin. Drunk Dublin fan decides to streak across the pitch, gets as far as the bottom of the hill and then goes onto relieve himself up against the fence. Think he got a couple of skelps for his trouble!
How are people who are clearly very heavily intoxicated being allowed access to grounds. Maybe if the GAA would address this rather than spending so much time and effort stopping sober fans accessing the pitch after the game it might be safer for all concerned.
I remember a couple of Galway fellas in 2001 sitting behind me in the top tier of the Cusack and they were completely plastered, one of them fell forward over 2 rows of seats in front of him [luckily empty seats] when he went to stand up, luckily he wasn't anywhere near the front row.
This type of incident or incidents occur when the match tickets and train tickets taken out of the hands of the county board and the clubs. Tickets were on sale on line and in shops throughout Armagh and anyone could buy them. The train tickets were sold on a booking system and you received your ticket in the post. This does not happen when demand out weighs supply. I knew there could be trouble when tickets were open season.
I am not against this system as it has its advantages but this is one of the drawbacks. Heavy drinking and anti- social behaviour happens quite often in Clones particularly in the first round or semi final matches when tickets can be bought the same way or even on the day. I may also add that many of the drunken louts do not even go to the game. It's a cheap day out binge drinking etc. It's a societal problem not peculiar to the GAA.
If Tyrone gets to the All-Ireland and even though they beat us well, I hope they do, there will not be this trouble and there will be special trains etc. It's because the ticket sales are strictly controlled via clubs. Some might say they are not playing Armagh but they did a few years back and absolutely no bother either at the ground or on the trains.
The trouble on the trains was caused by a very very small minority and yes it can cause havoc for those close round but TransLink is to be condemned here. There was no checking on which train you were on. The trouble occurred on the last train at 9 .20. Most had been drinking flat out all day on every type of fuel god could dose them with. A huge crowd rolled up for the train including I may add soccer fans who should not have been on as these were specifically Gaa specials(not being anti Soccer). A good few had left it to the last train and should have been on the other earlier specials leaving.
The officials at Connolly station just fired them on to the train as to avoid it being their problem no checking of tickets etc or anything hence the gross overcrowding, drunkenness and mayhem. My only wonder was that it wasn't worse, bad and all as it was. This does reflect badly on us in the GAA who pride ourselves on the camaraderie and friendship that is the GAA. I can see the Newsletter rubbing it's hands in glee. To make out it was a Tyrone -Armagh thing was unfortunate. That is most def not the norm.
There are those who will use this as a stick to beat us with and we have to take it on the chin. I understand where itchy is coming from. I am a proud Armagh man and know that the vast vast majority of GAA people on the train are abhorred. It was a drunken brawl that could have happened anytime anywhere.
Surprised to see some of those involved though, certainly not the thuggish types. I know for a fact they will be more disgusted with themselves than anything else and to be fair so they should be. I'll leave it at that
There has been complaints regarding Armagh supporters in every game in the backdoor this year
Against Westmeath / Tipp and now Tyrone. Seems to be a sc**bag element / buck fast Brigade
I don't think there was any problem with Armagh fans v Tipp? Everyone I spoke to about that day were impressed with the Armagh fans.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
There has been complaints regarding Armagh supporters in every game in the backdoor this year
Against Westmeath / Tipp and now Tyrone. Seems to be a sc**bag element / buck fast Brigade
Will we also include the fermanagh and Kildare games for the craic too aye?
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
There has been complaints regarding Armagh supporters in every game in the backdoor this year
Against Westmeath / Tipp and now Tyrone. Seems to be a sc**bag element / buck fast Brigade
As a Armagh follower, I don't have any problem addressing the fact that we have some supporters that jump on the bandwagon, get hammered and behave like prats. If I see a crowd behaving in the same way in Tyrone, Down or Dublin jerseys, I don't immediately associate that behaviour with the county, the county board, the county team, all their supporters.
However, there are plenty on here, predisposed to dislike Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Northerners, Freestaters or whoever. When they see the hooligans in jerseys that they are pre-disposed to dislike, their negative perceptions about the county are reinforced. It's a bit like the way in Belfast on St. Patrick's Day you get unionist politicians lining up to criticise the rowdiness in the Holylands and after the 12th they are nowhere to be seen - and vice versa.
There are plenty of football bigots that see bad behaviour in other teams' followers and never see it in their own, and people could do with growing up a bit.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
There has been complaints regarding Armagh supporters in every game in the backdoor this year
Against Westmeath / Tipp and now Tyrone. Seems to be a sc**bag element / buck fast Brigade
Wrong.
Quote from: APM on August 08, 2017, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
There has been complaints regarding Armagh supporters in every game in the backdoor this year
Against Westmeath / Tipp and now Tyrone. Seems to be a sc**bag element / buck fast Brigade
As a Armagh follower, I don't have any problem addressing the fact that we have some supporters that jump on the bandwagon, get hammered and behave like prats. If I see a crowd behaving in the same way in Tyrone, Down or Dublin jerseys, I don't immediately associate that behaviour with the county, the county board, the county team, all their supporters.
However, there are plenty on here, predisposed to dislike Armagh, Tyrone, Dublin, Northerners, Freestaters or whoever. When they see the hooligans in jerseys that they are pre-disposed to dislike, their negative perceptions about the county are reinforced. It's a bit like the way in Belfast on St. Patrick's Day you get unionist politicians lining up to criticise the rowdiness in the Holylands and after the 12th they are nowhere to be seen - and vice versa.
There are plenty of football bigots that see bad behaviour in other teams' followers and never see it in their own, and people could do with growing up a bit.
Exactly. There's a lot of moral indignation and faux outrage flying about this board.
Quote from: APM on August 08, 2017, 04:08:43 PM
There are plenty of football bigots that see bad behaviour in other teams' followers and never see it in their own, and people could do with growing up a bit.
Itchy being an obvious example.
And some of your Tyrone compatriots and maybe some of my own too!!!
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 08, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
There is really very little that either county board can do about this incident, however I do think they should issue a statement condemning it.
Reading fans of other counties talk about incidents involving Armagh & Tyrone fans over the years (some as far back as 17 years ago!) is really quite ridiculous...I could recount many incidents over the years where I have seen fans of other counties acting the drunken maggot including Derry lads at the first round of the Championship last year against Tyrone where a group of lads who had clearly been out on the lash from the night before proceeded to call just about every Tyrone player all the c**nts of the day (they were completely stinking too). Thankfully they left before the first half ended. Could talk about similar incidents with Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Meath, Laois and Dublin fans. Maybe it is more prominent with Armagh & Tyrone because they bring a significantly larger support than most other counties (obviously barring Dublin). It would be great if these lads stayed away (like they do until we have a game in Croke Park) but unfortunately I can't see anything changing
The big problem is that in this country just about every big event is turned into a complete piss up. The footage from the train could have been taken in any town across the country on a Saturday night I have no doubt.
You have a point. Every big event is an excuse for a piss up. Concerts, festivals, sport: a lot of people go for the booze moreso than the event. It's the main reason why I forego some events tbh, and I'm not anti drink. I've seen it when Armagh are in big games, people pissed and on trains/buses with carry outs who were never as a match in their lives. I'm sure it's the same in all counties.
I think it's a country wide problem though. A lot of people link such events with booze ups. It's just normal practice. I've always thought it's an insecurity thing with Irish people, that they're uncomfortable with any sort of social occasion that they feel they need to be tanked up to get through it.
It is country wide thing. Maybe those counties have a couple more but i have seen pretty bad behaviour from one leinster county in particular and not Dublin! It is a success thing too. It even happened in antrim once when we got to the ulster final. Hasn't happened much since mind.
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 08, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
There has been complaints regarding Armagh supporters in every game in the backdoor this year
Against Westmeath / Tipp and now Tyrone. Seems to be a sc**bag element / buck fast Brigade
Nonsense
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Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
No Tyrone club ever won the all Ireland.
*coughs*
How could anyone forgot yer lot zigs
Happier days ;D
I though Tyronies only counted all-ireland senior or club senior as all-irelands?
Nope, only people who have a serious gripe against Tyrone.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 08, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
I think it's a country wide problem though. A lot of people link such events with booze ups. It's just normal practice. I've always thought it's an insecurity thing with Irish people, that they're uncomfortable with any sort of social occasion that they feel they need to be tanked up to get through it.
That's absolutely spot on. I'm a light drinker so I stop after one. I've had people tell me they don't know how I can sit sober in a pub, they'd feel tense and out of place. It's like they come to depend on the drink to help them relax.
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Quote from: BennyCake on August 08, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
I think it's a country wide problem though. A lot of people link such events with booze ups. It's just normal practice. I've always thought it's an insecurity thing with Irish people, that they're uncomfortable with any sort of social occasion that they feel they need to be tanked up to get through it.
That's absolutely spot on. I'm a light drinker so I stop after one. I've had people tell me they don't know how I can sit sober in a pub, they'd feel tense and out of place. It's like they come to depend on the drink to help them relax.
I don't drink at all anymore. It can make some people feel uneasy
When I used to go to big game on the train we wouldn't have taken a carry out. Couple of pints in the north star before and after the game. Maybe a couple of cans for the train back but then out when we got back to Lurgan Good times. I cant remember any trouble on the trains back in those days
'Flakes on a Train'.
TBH when i see shit like that i'm happy that i don't bother much with the alcohol, I hate seeing people wearing your county colours out of their heads falling all over the place making a scene.
Then when it makes the head lines in the news with Unionist's loving it so they can report it and bring it up and every opportunity...dick heads.
Why can't people go to the games with 3-4 pints and enjoy the craic and banter and when the get back home if they want another few then go to the pub/club back home, the state some of the people go to the games in is a shame TBH which brings me onto my next point...
I believe the GAA should take a zero tollerance on this behaviour in the future instead of sweeping it under the carpet, these people should be refused entry into the games whilst drunk (ticket or not). Bus and rail companies have to be on board too and refuse people onto their transport no matter if they have a ticket or not...This has to be enforced to stop these fools not only ruining our good reputation but spoiling our day for the rest of us.
Quote from: illdecide on August 08, 2017, 11:24:46 PM
TBH when i see shit like that i'm happy that i don't bother much with the alcohol, I hate seeing people wearing your county colours out of their heads falling all over the place making a scene.
Then when it makes the head lines in the news with Unionist's loving it so they can report it and bring it up and every opportunity...dick heads.
Why can't people go to the games with 3-4 pints and enjoy the craic and banter and when the get back home if they want another few then go to the pub/club back home, the state some of the people go to the games in is a shame TBH which brings me onto my next point...
I believe the GAA should take a zero tollerance on this behaviour in the future instead of sweeping it under the carpet, these people should be refused entry into the games whilst drunk (ticket or not). Bus and rail companies have to be on board too and refuse people onto their transport no matter if they have a ticket or not...This has to be enforced to stop these fools not only ruining our good reputation but spoiling our day for the rest of us.
Why do they even need that many?
As for refusing entry due to drunkeness, there's bars in Croke Park. One could go in sober and be rightly pissed by the end of a double header. It's the general consensus that one can't go anywhere or doing anything without getting tanked up. The fact that it's so handily available in numerous outlets doesn't help the issue.
Quote from: illdecide on August 08, 2017, 11:24:46 PM
TBH when i see shit like that i'm happy that i don't bother much with the alcohol, I hate seeing people wearing your county colours out of their heads falling all over the place making a scene.
Then when it makes the head lines in the news with Unionist's loving it so they can report it and bring it up and every opportunity...dick heads.
Why can't people go to the games with 3-4 pints and enjoy the craic and banter and when the get back home if they want another few then go to the pub/club back home, the state some of the people go to the games in is a shame TBH which brings me onto my next point...
I believe the GAA should take a zero tollerance on this behaviour in the future instead of sweeping it under the carpet, these people should be refused entry into the games whilst drunk (ticket or not). Bus and rail companies have to be on board too and refuse people onto their transport no matter if they have a ticket or not...This has to be enforced to stop these fools not only ruining our good reputation but spoiling our day for the rest of us.
Totally agree.
Armagh and Tyrone should be banned from all sport for evermore. Especially handball. And badminton.
Quote from: APM on August 08, 2017, 02:47:32 PM
Quote from: punt kick on August 08, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: LurganHoop on August 08, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
There is really very little that either county board can do about this incident, however I do think they should issue a statement condemning it.
Reading fans of other counties talk about incidents involving Armagh & Tyrone fans over the years (some as far back as 17 years ago!) is really quite ridiculous...I could recount many incidents over the years where I have seen fans of other counties acting the drunken maggot including Derry lads at the first round of the Championship last year against Tyrone where a group of lads who had clearly been out on the lash from the night before proceeded to call just about every Tyrone player all the c**nts of the day (they were completely stinking too). Thankfully they left before the first half ended. Could talk about similar incidents with Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Meath, Laois and Dublin fans. Maybe it is more prominent with Armagh & Tyrone because they bring a significantly larger support than most other counties (obviously barring Dublin). It would be great if these lads stayed away (like they do until we have a game in Croke Park) but unfortunately I can't see anything changing
The big problem is that in this country just about every big event is turned into a complete piss up. The footage from the train could have been taken in any town across the country on a Saturday night I have no doubt.
That long - was football even invented then?
Anyone remember an incident in Clones - Qualifier match - possibly 2001 / 2002 - Derry v Dublin. Drunk Dublin fan decides to streak across the pitch, gets as far as the bottom of the hill and then goes onto relieve himself up against the fence. Think he got a couple of skelps for his trouble!
2003. My memory is that two lads ran onto the pitch at half time in the corner between the Hill and the terrace behind the goal. I don't remember them streaking (I might be wrong, or one or the other might have taken their top off), but one definitely had a pee on the pitch.
Quote. The trouble occurred on the last train at 9 .20.
The trouble occurred on the 8.50 Enterprise. The 8.15 special train was allowed to leave early, meaning many fans with tickets, specifically for that service, were left behind in Dublin.
The crowd then surged into the Enterprise waiting area with the view that 'any train will do, I'm not risking being stuck in Dublin''
Clearly there was mismanagement in Dublin as either a) the 8.15 allowed passengers without the correct ticket on board or b) it left early with empty seats.
Either way I can understand why people thought feck this I'm making sure I get home on whatever train I can get on.
There was no communication from train staff in Dublin, no checking of tickets for the 8.50 and no attempt made to police the (clearly) heavily drunken crowd.
If you can drink all day and be allowed on a train with multiple cases of beer, bottles of wine and buckfast.....stupidity like what happened was inevitable.
Anyway, who won the match?
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Quote from: Taylor on August 08, 2017, 02:37:22 PM
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Quote from: seafoid on August 06, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
No Tyrone club ever won the all Ireland.
*coughs*
How could anyone forgot yer lot zigs
Happier days ;D
I though Tyronies only counted all-ireland senior or club senior as all-irelands?
Nope, only people who have a serious gripe against Tyrone.
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Love Tyrone v Armagh games.
Gormleys block
McGuigan putting geezer on his hole and kicking a beauty in croker
Canavans free to put an end to the eternal Ulster Champs of the noughties
Tyrone should win but I hope its a good game for a while - Would be great if we could get baldy mckeever on the field and someone nail him near the end in retribution for putting his hand on God in 2005. But do we have anyone who could? McNamee - Hampsey - Mattie?
Let big Sean have a go - he'd probably shit himself if McKeever ran past him.
Your Possibly right - but whereas McKeever, a limited footballer, will only be remembered for getting God sent off in an Ulster Final acting a thug Cavanagh will be remembered for much more:
3 All Irelands
6 Ulster Titles
5 All Stars
etc.
etc.
etc.
Armaghs inferiority complex towards Tyrone is hilarious!!!!
What'ts the etc etc etc? Seems like you are insecure McKeever has plenty of accolades including an all-ireland and numerous ulsters. Show's your insecurities when from behind a keyboard you want someone else to attack someone you wouldn't have the balls to look at.
When did McKeever win his all ireland?
U21 - 2004.
Quite possibly the comedy post of the decade!! ;D ;D
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Quote from: LurganHoop on August 08, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
There is really very little that either county board can do about this incident, however I do think they should issue a statement condemning it.
Reading fans of other counties talk about incidents involving Armagh & Tyrone fans over the years (some as far back as 17 years ago!) is really quite ridiculous...I could recount many incidents over the years where I have seen fans of other counties acting the drunken maggot including Derry lads at the first round of the Championship last year against Tyrone where a group of lads who had clearly been out on the lash from the night before proceeded to call just about every Tyrone player all the c**nts of the day (they were completely stinking too). Thankfully they left before the first half ended. Could talk about similar incidents with Cavan, Down, Fermanagh, Meath, Laois and Dublin fans. Maybe it is more prominent with Armagh & Tyrone because they bring a significantly larger support than most other counties (obviously barring Dublin). It would be great if these lads stayed away (like they do until we have a game in Croke Park) but unfortunately I can't see anything changing
The big problem is that in this country just about every big event is turned into a complete piss up. The footage from the train could have been taken in any town across the country on a Saturday night I have no doubt.
That long - was football even invented then?
Anyone remember an incident in Clones - Qualifier match - possibly 2001 / 2002 - Derry v Dublin. Drunk Dublin fan decides to streak across the pitch, gets as far as the bottom of the hill and then goes onto relieve himself up against the fence. Think he got a couple of skelps for his trouble!
2003. My memory is that two lads ran onto the pitch at half time in the corner between the Hill and the terrace behind the goal. I don't remember them streaking (I might be wrong, or one or the other might have taken their top off), but one definitely had a pee on the pitch.
Dublin fans travelled in big numbers that day and a lot of them were tanked up. I think if Dublin was forced to travel more in the championship you would have to expect that.
A Tyrone man told me the guys have been identified already, according to him (Edendork man) they're from Dungannon. I just laughed and said "you would say that" old rivals and all that.
Quote from: illdecide on August 09, 2017, 08:27:22 AM
A Tyrone man told me the guys have been identified already, according to him (Edendork man) they're from Dungannon. I just laughed and said "you would say that" old rivals and all that.
I went back and watched the video again once I read your post and being from Dungannon I think your source could be right.
Quote from: illdecide on August 08, 2017, 11:24:46 PM
TBH when i see shit like that i'm happy that i don't bother much with the alcohol, I hate seeing people wearing your county colours out of their heads falling all over the place making a scene.
Then when it makes the head lines in the news with Unionist's loving it so they can report it and bring it up and every opportunity...dick heads.
Why can't people go to the games with 3-4 pints and enjoy the craic and banter and when the get back home if they want another few then go to the pub/club back home, the state some of the people go to the games in is a shame TBH which brings me onto my next point...
I believe the GAA should take a zero tollerance on this behaviour in the future instead of sweeping it under the carpet, these people should be refused entry into the games whilst drunk (ticket or not). Bus and rail companies have to be on board too and refuse people onto their transport no matter if they have a ticket or not...This has to be enforced to stop these fools not only ruining our good reputation but spoiling our day for the rest of us.
I have to agree with you there illdecide. I like the odd drink myself, as is well documented with my drunken ramblings at 2am+ on the gaaboard a fair few years ago. However, never felt the need or want to drink before a match. Rather watch it and if the mood hits me, a drink after.
Flask of tea and a egg 'n' onion sandwich, with a kit-kat does me rightly.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 09, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 08, 2017, 11:24:46 PM
TBH when i see shit like that i'm happy that i don't bother much with the alcohol, I hate seeing people wearing your county colours out of their heads falling all over the place making a scene.
Then when it makes the head lines in the news with Unionist's loving it so they can report it and bring it up and every opportunity...dick heads.
Why can't people go to the games with 3-4 pints and enjoy the craic and banter and when the get back home if they want another few then go to the pub/club back home, the state some of the people go to the games in is a shame TBH which brings me onto my next point...
I believe the GAA should take a zero tollerance on this behaviour in the future instead of sweeping it under the carpet, these people should be refused entry into the games whilst drunk (ticket or not). Bus and rail companies have to be on board too and refuse people onto their transport no matter if they have a ticket or not...This has to be enforced to stop these fools not only ruining our good reputation but spoiling our day for the rest of us.
I have to agree with you there illdecide. I like the odd drink myself, as is well documented with my drunken ramblings at 2am+ on the gaaboard a fair few years ago. However, never felt the need or want to drink before a match. Rather watch it and if the mood hits me, a drink after.
Flask of tea and a egg 'n' onion sandwich, with a kit-kat does me rightly.
the old egg and onion does nothing for those caught downwind
Quote from: maddog on August 09, 2017, 03:21:44 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 09, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: illdecide on August 08, 2017, 11:24:46 PM
TBH when i see shit like that i'm happy that i don't bother much with the alcohol, I hate seeing people wearing your county colours out of their heads falling all over the place making a scene.
Then when it makes the head lines in the news with Unionist's loving it so they can report it and bring it up and every opportunity...dick heads.
Why can't people go to the games with 3-4 pints and enjoy the craic and banter and when the get back home if they want another few then go to the pub/club back home, the state some of the people go to the games in is a shame TBH which brings me onto my next point...
I believe the GAA should take a zero tollerance on this behaviour in the future instead of sweeping it under the carpet, these people should be refused entry into the games whilst drunk (ticket or not). Bus and rail companies have to be on board too and refuse people onto their transport no matter if they have a ticket or not...This has to be enforced to stop these fools not only ruining our good reputation but spoiling our day for the rest of us.
I have to agree with you there illdecide. I like the odd drink myself, as is well documented with my drunken ramblings at 2am+ on the gaaboard a fair few years ago. However, never felt the need or want to drink before a match. Rather watch it and if the mood hits me, a drink after.
Flask of tea and a egg 'n' onion sandwich, with a kit-kat does me rightly.
the old egg and onion does nothing for those caught downwind
I've got helicobacter pylori, so it's a double whammy they're getting.
Thought I'd bite the bullet and fork out the money to watch the match on GAAGO as I was at the game and have only seen the bare minimum of highlights from the Sunday game. Low and behold the fecker is not even available in Ireland or Great Britain as GAAGO has informed me I am located (not just partitionist but went the full hog with GB!!) Are they seriously saying that these games are behind a paywall for live access as well as deferred coverage due to the deal with sky? So basically, unless you've got sky sports package you'll never see the game?
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=274436
Mr McKeever calls it a day, a solid, commited player
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 09, 2017, 04:01:36 PM
Thought I'd bite the bullet and fork out the money to watch the match on GAAGO as I was at the game and have only seen the bare minimum of highlights from the Sunday game. Low and behold the fecker is not even available in Ireland or Great Britain as GAAGO has informed me I am located (not just partitionist but went the full hog with GB!!) Are they seriously saying that these games are behind a paywall for live access as well as deferred coverage due to the deal with sky? So basically, unless you've got sky sports package you'll never see the game?
Yes indeed, even the GAA cannot show it to you. But who cares, you are only a fan.
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Can you not get RTÉ?
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Can you not get RTÉ?
RTÉ didn't have the rights to it.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 15, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Can you not get RTÉ?
RTÉ didn't have the rights to it.
How can a GAAGO subscriber download and save a game to the hard drive for posterity? (And not for sharing or uploading to youtube...insert wink here)
All assistance in strictest confidence, etc etc etc.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 15, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 15, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Can you not get RTÉ?
RTÉ didn't have the rights to it.
How can a GAAGO subscriber download and save a game to the hard drive for posterity? (And not for sharing or uploading to youtube...insert wink here)
All assistance in strictest confidence, etc etc etc.
I don't think you can download it. Once you pay your fee you get ten chances to watch the game then your access expires.
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 15, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 15, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Can you not get RTÉ?
RTÉ didn't have the rights to it.
How can a GAAGO subscriber download and save a game to the hard drive for posterity? (And not for sharing or uploading to youtube...insert wink here)
All assistance in strictest confidence, etc etc etc.
I don't think you can download it. Once you pay your fee you get ten chances to watch the game then your access expires.
Moavi is a screen capture program and it's dead easy to use. It can copy anything that displays on a computer monitor. (I'm talking Windows here.)
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 16, 2017, 12:58:23 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 15, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 15, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Can you not get RTÉ?
RTÉ didn't have the rights to it.
How can a GAAGO subscriber download and save a game to the hard drive for posterity? (And not for sharing or uploading to youtube...insert wink here)
All assistance in strictest confidence, etc etc etc.
I don't think you can download it. Once you pay your fee you get ten chances to watch the game then your access expires.
Moavi is a screen capture program and it's dead easy to use. It can copy anything that displays on a computer monitor. (I'm talking Windows here.)
Cheers Lar, wasn't aware of that.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 16, 2017, 12:58:23 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 15, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 15, 2017, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2017, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 15, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
It's a fecking joke. Is there any way of seeing this game outside of it been saved on Sky plus by someone who has sky sports?
Can you not get RTÉ?
RTÉ didn't have the rights to it.
How can a GAAGO subscriber download and save a game to the hard drive for posterity? (And not for sharing or uploading to youtube...insert wink here)
All assistance in strictest confidence, etc etc etc.
I don't think you can download it. Once you pay your fee you get ten chances to watch the game then your access expires.
Moavi is a screen capture program and it's dead easy to use. It can copy anything that displays on a computer monitor. (I'm talking Windows here.)
Doesn't it flip the video around though? I guess you could pretend your sat in the Cusack ;)
Well for next year Tyronies, ye should get your self a android box or a mag box for £70, a 3 month IPTV subscription (circa £20) to cover the summer and ye can watch sky sports to your hearts content. You do need broadband with a minimum of 7mb.
I believe Now TV have some sort of Kosher access to Sky for a fee, but I haven't tried this.
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
Well for next year Tyronies, ye should get your self a android box or a mag box for £70, a 3 month IPTV subscription (circa £20) to cover the summer and ye can watch sky sports to your hearts content. You do need broadband with a minimum of 7mb.
Wasn't aware of that option, will look into it for next year. Is this an 'above board setup or a pay-per-access to a reliable illegal stream?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 16, 2017, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
Well for next year Tyronies, ye should get your self a android box or a mag box for £70, a 3 month IPTV subscription (circa £20) to cover the summer and ye can watch sky sports to your hearts content. You do need broadband with a minimum of 7mb.
Wasn't aware of that option, will look into it for next year. Is this an 'above board setup or a pay-per-access to a reliable illegal stream?
Nothing Illegal in buying the box. If you want to know where to get an account send me a pm. Once you get a decent stream from a reliable seller it should be working well.
The more Tyronies at home watching on TV the less buckfast will be drank on the trains ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 16, 2017, 03:34:09 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 16, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
Well for next year Tyronies, ye should get your self a android box or a mag box for £70, a 3 month IPTV subscription (circa £20) to cover the summer and ye can watch sky sports to your hearts content. You do need broadband with a minimum of 7mb.
Wasn't aware of that option, will look into it for next year. Is this an 'above board setup or a pay-per-access to a reliable illegal stream?
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