The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread - #DankeJürgen

Started by Gabriel_Hurl, February 05, 2009, 03:47:16 PM

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thewobbler

Chelsea under Boehly has been bizarre.

The template for success is obvious if you look at City, Liverpool and even Arsenal. Get the manager in place. Allow him to place his stamp on the team in terms of playing style and application. Permit him to spend heavily on key areas. Support him in moving along players who don't fit the style or application. Don't try to have two established first choice players for every position, just for specialist positions for his playing style.

But Chelsea took the United route instead. Madness.

J70

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Quote from: Turf on April 25, 2024, 01:17:41 PMMaybe he will stand in the centre circle and tell the fans their job now is to support the new manager aka 'the chosen one'.

Klopp is leaving Liverpool far better than he found them. If he had would nothing else apart from the Premier League he would still be considered a legend imo. The fact he won everything there was to win (apart from the Europa League obvs) means he will go down as one of the greatest managers the club has ever had.

Certainly whomever comes in has big boots to fill but they should be given time because it's probably going to take next season at the least to find his feet at such a big club. 

Genuinely intrigued that Liverpool fans will hold him in such high esteem, or maybe is it recency bias? He delivered one league title in 9 years?

I get that he is an iconic figure and was box office and even fans of other teams will miss him from the EPL.

They hadn't won any league titles in the 30 years previous, 1 in 9 isn't bad considering!
I'm actually genuinely intrigued about how someone couldn't see him as anything other than a success at the club but sure each to their own I'm not here to change anyone's opinion on him.
Liverpool fans will hold him in the highest of esteems and probably won't care what any other fans think.

I was just curious, I know he is a bit of a cult figure. Just wondered if looking back it will be with a bit of regret that it was only one title.

That being said United would take a single title at the moment any season.

There is only so much you can do when your resources are limited and those of your opponent are limitless. For example, even if he'd wanted to come, was there a remote prospect that Liverpool could afford the financial package required to attract someone like Erling Haaland? Pep is arguably the greatest coach of the modern era, but would he have done any better at Liverpool than Klopp has done in the circumstances?

From where he started, Klopp resurrected Liverpool in a manner not seen since Shankly. They were arguably the best team in the world in 2019/20, five years after ending a season and Steven Gerrard's PL career with a 1-6 loss to Stoke.

Placed in the context of what he was up against, I'd think there's a good argument to be made that Klopp is Liverpool's second best ever manager after Shankly. Third after Shankly and Paisley is a no-brainer.

And yeah, his personality and charisma helped with the fans, but surely that's also part of why he is so successful as a coach in the first place?

Armamike

I would easily have him above Dalglish.

Good point about Liverpool in 2019-2020.  They were the best team in the world, no argument about it.
That's just, like your opinion man.

befair

Not a supporter of any team, but Klopp has done a wonderful job, being competitive against a City who have become a monster. Just looking at their team last night; would Endo, Jones, Konate get their place on the City and Arsenal squads?

Armamike

Quote from: befair on April 25, 2024, 05:57:14 PMNot a supporter of any team, but Klopp has done a wonderful job, being competitive against a City who have become a monster. Just looking at their team last night; would Endo, Jones, Konate get their place on the City and Arsenal squads?

Would get in their squads ok!  Konate in decent form would be good enough to start.  Endo and Jones probably wouldn't if others were fit.
That's just, like your opinion man.

johnnycool

Quote from: Armamike on April 26, 2024, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: befair on April 25, 2024, 05:57:14 PMNot a supporter of any team, but Klopp has done a wonderful job, being competitive against a City who have become a monster. Just looking at their team last night; would Endo, Jones, Konate get their place on the City and Arsenal squads?

Would get in their squads ok!  Konate in decent form would be good enough to start.  Endo and Jones probably wouldn't if others were fit.

Endo and Jones wouldn't get on the Liverpool first 11 if all were fully fit, let alone Arsenal and City.

Good enough squad players to come on the last 25 minutes or so.

The thing about Klopp which will be hardest to replace is that he was someone top players wanted to play for even if the money was slightly less, like MacAllister, VVD and Allison for instance.

Will this new quy have that same pull?

Armamike

Quote from: johnnycool on April 26, 2024, 10:10:37 AM
Quote from: Armamike on April 26, 2024, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: befair on April 25, 2024, 05:57:14 PMNot a supporter of any team, but Klopp has done a wonderful job, being competitive against a City who have become a monster. Just looking at their team last night; would Endo, Jones, Konate get their place on the City and Arsenal squads?

Would get in their squads ok!  Konate in decent form would be good enough to start.  Endo and Jones probably wouldn't if others were fit.

Endo and Jones wouldn't get on the Liverpool first 11 if all were fully fit, let alone Arsenal and City.

Good enough squad players to come on the last 25 minutes or so.

The thing about Klopp which will be hardest to replace is that he was someone top players wanted to play for even if the money was slightly less, like MacAllister, VVD and Allison for instance.

Will this new quy have that same pull?

Would fully agree on that. Endo nailed down a starting place half way through the season.  Jones was starting until he got that injury set back. 
That's just, like your opinion man.

Gabriel_Hurl


AustinPowers

Slot deal confirmed .

Sounds like a  bit of a gamble. Or  he could fit right in.

I'll get me coat.

ONeill

Klopp did brilliantly. Arsenal are only finding out now what it's like to challenge Pep's City on a yearly basis. It breaks you eventually. To get over the line against them once is some achievement.
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2024, 11:45:16 PMKlopp did brilliantly. Arsenal are only finding out now what it's like to challenge Pep's City on a yearly basis. It breaks you eventually. To get over the line against them once is some achievement.

Were city less of a team before Pep? As they'd plenty of money before he arrived, or has he been the making of them?

As I regularly hear, Utd spend more than city, so it can't be a money thing
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

ONeill

I think he's taken them to a new level. And the PL too. Liverpool have had 2 near-faultless seasons and didn't win the league.
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2024, 11:53:35 PMI think he's taken them to a new level. And the PL too. Liverpool have had 2 near-faultless seasons and didn't win the league.
Yep it can't be all money or all manager, you need both. A bit of financial misconduct also helps.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 26, 2024, 11:55:48 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2024, 11:53:35 PMI think he's taken them to a new level. And the PL too. Liverpool have had 2 near-faultless seasons and didn't win the league.
Yep it can't be all money or all manager, you need both. A bit of financial misconduct also helps.

It has to be about the management, Chelsea and Utd have on many occasions surpassed city's spending and came up short..

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

gawa316

It's a combo of the best manager about, financial clout, and recruitment...city haven't skipped a beat after replacing legends like Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, Aguero, etc