Gaa takes over Mayo debt

[seafoid]

10 million is the price although im not sure why gaa have to pay. The rossies got more or less private loans to get them out of trouble 10 years ago. We paid all that back in spades. Biggest achievement being our underage system.best bar none( mayb dubs in fairness). This return will bring roscommon to the holy grail by 2020. Now that will be money well spent. Rossie for life,heart and soul

did ye win the under 21 all Ireland recently ?
the board can only stomach so much rossie hyperbole and Syf was here first
 

[ross4life]

10 million is the price although im not sure why gaa have to pay. The rossies got more or less private loans to get them out of trouble 10 years ago. We paid all that back in spades. Biggest achievement being our underage system.best bar none( mayb dubs in fairness). This return will bring roscommon to the holy grail by 2020. Now that will be money well spent. Rossie for life,heart and soul

did ye win the under 21 all Ireland recently ?
the board can only stomach so much rossie hyperbole and Syf was here first

Seafoid no ye/we from him as he is Mayo man. I have him with his many usernames blocked & i wouldn't have seen that post if you didn't quote it.

[Lone Shark]

I appreciate that since Offaly appear to be going cap in hand to Croke Park now as well, we're not exactly on a moral high ground here, however I would echo the view here that this is a significant subsidy to Mayo, and I'd ask what's being done domestically to take the hit first before passing the buck on to everyone else.

The Mayo News states that this deal will save the Mayo county board €200k per year. Well my issue is this - over the past three years, Mayo have spent roughly the same on team preparation for Senior Football only, what counties like Offaly, Laois or Westmeath spend on all teams put together. So the Offaly county board (for example) is financing six teams for the same money that Mayo is spending on one.

Now if Mayo had taken the hit here and were still providing food, mileage and gear to their players but cutting all other corners, then I'd say fair enough. The GAA is one big family as far as I'm concerned and the last thing we want is a county in so much trouble that clubs, schools, supporter facilities and all the other basics get neglected. Equally, neither do I think that it's realistic for the Offalys and Leitrims of this world to be able to spend the same as Mayo, Kerry and of course Dublin, since we don't generate as much sponsorship and other revenue.

However this reeks of subsidising one county who want to keep chasing an All Ireland, all at the expense of twenty others for whom an All Ireland is not remotely possible. That doesn't sit right with me.

[magpie seanie]

I appreciate that since Offaly appear to be going cap in hand to Croke Park now as well, we're not exactly on a moral high ground here, however I would echo the view here that this is a significant subsidy to Mayo, and I'd ask what's being done domestically to take the hit first before passing the buck on to everyone else.

The Mayo News states that this deal will save the Mayo county board €200k per year. Well my issue is this - over the past three years, Mayo have spent roughly the same on team preparation for Senior Football only, what counties like Offaly, Laois or Westmeath spend on all teams put together. So the Offaly county board (for example) is financing six teams for the same money that Mayo is spending on one.

Now if Mayo had taken the hit here and were still providing food, mileage and gear to their players but cutting all other corners, then I'd say fair enough. The GAA is one big family as far as I'm concerned and the last thing we want is a county in so much trouble that clubs, schools, supporter facilities and all the other basics get neglected. Equally, neither do I think that it's realistic for the Offalys and Leitrims of this world to be able to spend the same as Mayo, Kerry and of course Dublin, since we don't generate as much sponsorship and other revenue.

However this reeks of subsidising one county who want to keep chasing an All Ireland, all at the expense of twenty others for whom an All Ireland is not remotely possible. That doesn't sit right with me.

Who's the Taoiseach?

[muppet]

I appreciate that since Offaly appear to be going cap in hand to Croke Park now as well, we're not exactly on a moral high ground here, however I would echo the view here that this is a significant subsidy to Mayo, and I'd ask what's being done domestically to take the hit first before passing the buck on to everyone else.

The Mayo News states that this deal will save the Mayo county board €200k per year. Well my issue is this - over the past three years, Mayo have spent roughly the same on team preparation for Senior Football only, what counties like Offaly, Laois or Westmeath spend on all teams put together. So the Offaly county board (for example) is financing six teams for the same money that Mayo is spending on one.

Now if Mayo had taken the hit here and were still providing food, mileage and gear to their players but cutting all other corners, then I'd say fair enough. The GAA is one big family as far as I'm concerned and the last thing we want is a county in so much trouble that clubs, schools, supporter facilities and all the other basics get neglected. Equally, neither do I think that it's realistic for the Offalys and Leitrims of this world to be able to spend the same as Mayo, Kerry and of course Dublin, since we don't generate as much sponsorship and other revenue.

However this reeks of subsidising one county who want to keep chasing an All Ireland, all at the expense of twenty others for whom an All Ireland is not remotely possible. That doesn't sit right with me.

The acquisition of McHale Park development of the stand didn't sit well with a lot of us at the time, and that particularly chicken has come home to roost. It is also a by-product of the property boom which drove up the price. But since this happened Mayo have been both useless and competitive. Linking performance to poor decision making by the CB with regard to a stadium is imho a spurious argument.

[Lone Shark]

The acquisition of McHale Park development of the stand didn't sit well with a lot of us at the time, and that particularly chicken has come home to roost. It is also a by-product of the property boom which drove up the price. But since this happened Mayo have been both useless and competitive. Linking performance to poor decision making by the CB with regard to a stadium is imho a spurious argument.

Okay, perhaps I phrased it badly. Just to be clear, I don't doubt that if Mayo were to play Offaly in June, Mayo would win the game even if Offaly spent ten times as much on preparation between now and then.

However there can be no doubt that spending more money on team preparation confers an advantage, the only doubt is the degree to which it does. So if we take two teams that are broadly similar when it comes to general ability - Mayo and Donegal would be a fair example. Mayo have got the benefit of the spending, which is that they have a really fantastic stand. The price they paid is of course another matter, but the Mayo CB chose to spend the money, and now have an asset. That much is without doubt.

Donegal didn't spend that money, and don't have an asset. But now the debt has been "socialised" in the sense that Donegal will be paying towards an asset that Mayo possesses, all while Mayo are still spending far more on team preparation than the average county.

It's not dis-similar to the austerity argument, in that asking Germany to bail out the Irish exchequer while Irish civil servants continue to be paid far more than their German equivalents seems a bit unfair to me.

[muppet]

The acquisition of McHale Park development of the stand didn't sit well with a lot of us at the time, and that particularly chicken has come home to roost. It is also a by-product of the property boom which drove up the price. But since this happened Mayo have been both useless and competitive. Linking performance to poor decision making by the CB with regard to a stadium is imho a spurious argument.

Okay, perhaps I phrased it badly. Just to be clear, I don't doubt that if Mayo were to play Offaly in June, Mayo would win the game even if Offaly spent ten times as much on preparation between now and then.

However there can be no doubt that spending more money on team preparation confers an advantage, the only doubt is the degree to which it does. So if we take two teams that are broadly similar when it comes to general ability - Mayo and Donegal would be a fair example. Mayo have got the benefit of the spending, which is that they have a really fantastic stand. The price they paid is of course another matter, but the Mayo CB chose to spend the money, and now have an asset. That much is without doubt.

Donegal didn't spend that money, and don't have an asset. But now the debt has been "socialised" in the sense that Donegal will be paying towards an asset that Mayo possesses, all while Mayo are still spending far more on team preparation than the average county.

It's not dis-similar to the austerity argument, in that asking Germany to bail out the Irish exchequer while Irish civil servants continue to be paid far more than their German equivalents seems a bit unfair to me.

I would agree that socialising any debt is the worst of both capitalist and socialist worlds.

[gibbs32]

Offaly in football and hurling have been immence,espesh in d 80s.they deserve dig out. Wen was the last time mayo won the all ireland? Mayo like the taoiseach leave a lot to be desired

[seafoid]

Mayo played in 6 all Ireland finals since 1996 and generated a lot of money for the GAA so they are well entitled to a dig out. As well as Ballaghadereen.

[Rossfan]

Lone Shark, we bailed out the German banks who effd up by throwing money at Anglo etc.
We were then loaned money by the Troika which has to be paid back with Interest!!
We in Ros got a debt paid off by HQ so we can't tear into them over this.
However I detect the hand of the Connacht Council  helping out their favourite unit.

[twohands!!!]

Should the GAA as a whole adopt tighter rules as regard counties/clubs borrowing money to spend on capital projects in the future?

I don't have a huge problem with bailing out the counties/clubs that made a balls of things in the past but it does seem that that forcing everyone to be more prudent financially going forward would make more sense and be far fairer and actually mean that some lessons were learned as a result of the mistakes.

Otherwise it will be the case that down the line, the organisation as a whole will definitely be bailing out more counties/clubs who act recklessly/stupidly in the financial sense.

[giveballaghback]

Rossfan, Roscommon did not get loan write off from croke park, they got a loan from a roscommon supporter of one million euro and have since paid him back in full, Roscommon got sweet fa from croke park so get your ducks in a row before you comment on the matter.

[Syferus]

The debt exchange had everything to do with the GAA being uneasy having such a large private creditor iirc. There was never any write-offs on that debt as far as I  know. This is something very different.

[Rossfan]

Rossfan, Roscommon did not get loan write off from croke park, they got a loan from a roscommon supporter of one million euro and have since paid him back in full, Roscommon got sweet fa from croke park so get your ducks in a row before you comment on the matter.

Wrong buck. We still owed Mr X €750k in 2012. HQ paid that off and we have been paying that off since.

[gibbs32]

Back to main point. Yes mayo conested 6 finals since 96,yes they may contest more but the reality is the boat has long since gone. Get to the bak of the que and start over. Rossies and galway will contest connacht final.