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[I've no idea if Hester is a capable man or not,]

There's two sides to this story.

I've no idea if Hester is a capable man or not, but I presume he was appointed on ability. If the going rate for banking CEOs includes a 7 figure  bonus, then I'd rather someone was running a public company properly, and getting remunerated accordingly, than the inverse.

although it recorded a £2bn profit in its most recent trading period compared with a £1.6bn loss in the same period in 2010.

He was brought in to sort out a mess, above states the results. Give him his deserved bonus.

100% agree - if they were making losses then thats a different story. The man was brought in to hit targets and would get bonuses based on that. Its good for the tax payer if RBS are successful so fair play to him.

I did. I assumed it was tongue in cheek, remembering the puke football tag etc.

Again the puke tag was a lazy comment by a bitter Kerry man to discredit a team that had just completely overpowered them. Im glad this was a one off and Kerry folk dont do this every time they get beat. 

Although i was a bit wary about the price, I bought this app and I have to say it is pretty good. Maybe still a bit steep at £14.99 but a good resource for those who dont have a huge amount of time to prep their sessions.

If you pause the video of the row at 6 seconds in there are 5 members of Derrytresks backroom team (6 including the physio) on the sideline before it all kicks off.
Who are all these lads?
There is a single member of Dromids backroom team.
The reason the subs jumped in is because the guy with the clipboard became involved.
He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

I agree - but the incident happened right infront of the Derrytresk dugout, had it happened s little further down the pitch I'm sure Dromid had as many "officials" on the sideline. But I agree that there is far too many people there for such a high profile game.

Dr Crokes have made some PR balls of this. These thinly veiled accusations against probably the best club of our generation does them no favours at all. Im sure Crossmaglens experience of playing at the latter stages of All Ireland championships will mean that their fans, officials and substitutes will be well able to control themselves.

Also, why did their Chairman feel the need to tell the Examiner that they wanted a block of seats anyway? Why didnt he just request this from Croke Park? They are just so up their own backsides that its actually getting funny now.

I don't know where it is endemic. All I said was it is not endemic in Kerry. I'm explaining why Dromid were 'caught on the hop' if they experienced what they said they experienced. I am not having a dig at Tyrone or anywhere else. I would say that I experienced more off the ball stuff in Offaly, and in my opinion there is more bad blood at games in other counties that I have attended, (none in Ulster, relax) than I've seen in Kerry.

Caught on the hop? Dromid started the whole disgraceful scenes off. Derrytresk never should have let it get out of hand, but don't be making out that Dromid were innocent lambs in the headlights.

I'm not talking about the row alone. And please note I said " if they experienced what they said they experienced."

So, you are implying that Derrytresk are in some way used to this sort of behaviour and therefore are more experienced in dealing with the aftermath. But because Dromid were completely unaware that this sort of thing happened then they were "caught on the hop" and therefore reacted by running to the media. Have i now picked up the thread of your argument correctly?

What?? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I'm trying to explain Dromid's reaction (wrong and all as it is IMO) to SUNDAY. I've no idea about what Derrytresk are used to. Dromid said they received some unacceptable behaviour on Sunday, and we've all seen the Derrytresk subs jump the wall in the row. Now, is that something that they do regularly? Not a clue. Is it something Dromid have faced regularly? No. Did it surprise them? Yes.

That's all I'm saying. Why do you think I'm saying anything about Tyrone? I certainly think Derrytresk were more in the wrong on Sunday, but the CCCC will clear that up for us I suppose. I might be wrong.

To be fair - with the context of the thread and use of the word "endemic" in comparison to Kerry football, i think it would not be a completely unfair assumption to make that you were talking about Tyrone or even Ulster football.  Ok, so the argument is that you dont know what happens in other counties but you know that whatever happens it is worse than it is in Kerry.

I don't know where it is endemic. All I said was it is not endemic in Kerry. I'm explaining why Dromid were 'caught on the hop' if they experienced what they said they experienced. I am not having a dig at Tyrone or anywhere else. I would say that I experienced more off the ball stuff in Offaly, and in my opinion there is more bad blood at games in other counties that I have attended, (none in Ulster, relax) than I've seen in Kerry.

Caught on the hop? Dromid started the whole disgraceful scenes off. Derrytresk never should have let it get out of hand, but don't be making out that Dromid were innocent lambs in the headlights.

I'm not talking about the row alone. And please note I said " if they experienced what they said they experienced."

So, you are implying that Derrytresk are in some way used to this sort of behaviour and therefore are more experienced in dealing with the aftermath. But because Dromid were completely unaware that this sort of thing happened then they were "caught on the hop" and therefore reacted by running to the media. Have i now picked up the thread of your argument correctly?

[Probably not as much bad off the ball stuff as elsewhere, and certainly very little, if any trouble on sidelines.]

Ridiculous comments from Crokes, but just this :

his type of thing never happened in Kerry when the opposite is true. I can recall an incident a few years ago between two neighbouring South Kerry Clubs who are located only a stones throw from Dromid that ended up in a court of law over a vicious assault.

The incident you speak of did end up in a court of law, and was thrown out. Also it was between two players, not substitutes or supporters.

I do agree with you regarding the comments in the media though, I think they've played that badly, but they are certainly angry and taken aback at what happened. But there are certainly rows down in Kerry, and bad belts. Probably not as much bad off the ball stuff as elsewhere, and certainly very little, if any trouble on sidelines.

Really? Do you really believe this?
Kerry football will be under the spotlight in the coming years - lets hope they keep their noses as clean as clean can be. I think the behaviour of both teams on Sunday was plainly out of order and Derrytresk need to take a massive share of that blame for not contolling their bench, but to claim that Kerry football has never ever experienced this kind of thing is just nonsense. I played with many Kerry lads in America and some of the stories they enjoyed regaling certainly contradicts what your purist vision of Kerry football is.

I actually do. I played a small bit down there, and I didn't receive half as much off the ball stuff as I did up in Offaly. I'm sure it does happen, but again, I think in general it's not endemic.

As for the supporters lark, I never suggested that it doesn't happen, just that it certainly doesn't happen often, and I have never seen it at any Dromid game, nor heard of it at any Dromid game.

Look, despite their bleating about Kerry purer than pure football, which is obviously nonsense, I do think what happened at the weekend is something that is not common, nor expected down there.

Well, i spent 23 years of my life playing club football in Tyrone and I can tell you now that i can count on one hand the number of games that i have been to and played in that had instances like this. It is most definately not endemic as you suggest but again, lazy comments from people with little experience of the issue can cause people to arrive at the view you clearly have.

Thats not to say the GAA in Tyrone has no problems to deal with and like any organisation with so many members it has its fair share of nutcases. But it is grossly unfair for Tyrone football to be tarnished in the way it has been while Kerry football retains some sort of holier than thou image perpetuated by people like you with your matter of fact statements who has limited knowledge of either counties.

Hang on. I never said it was endemic in Tyrone either. I'm speaking about Kerry, and I have more than limited knowledge of Kerry to be fair. I've spent quite a bit of time down there. What I am trying to do is explain why they might have been so taken aback by what happened on Sunday.

I have also never said Kerry football is holier than thou, or anyone else. They play the same game the rest of us do, and give and take the same belts on the field as anyone else. I do think there is less off the ball stuff and intimidation down there than in other place, including other places I've played. I'm wasn't even talking or thinking about Tyrone.

To the best of my knowledge, Dromid Pearses have never been involved in a day like last Sunday, and I think that is why they are going over the top in their reaction in the media. I think they are wrong to do so, but I am trying to put a bit of balance against those who are calling them sore losers. They are not sore losers in my opinion, they've been beaten loads of times in important games and have never suggested anything other than the usual 'ref rode us' that we all do.

So, all I'm saying is what happened on Sunday is not a common thing in Kerry, I've never seen Dromid involved in anything like it, and I believe, and still do, that there is not a culture of off the ball stuff like what has been alleged, in Kerry. Which is why I think Dromid reacted the way they have.

I say all the above without even mentioning Tyrone, Armagh, Ulster, or anywhere else.

So where is it endemic then?

[Probably not as much bad off the ball stuff as elsewhere, and certainly very little, if any trouble on sidelines.]

Ridiculous comments from Crokes, but just this :

his type of thing never happened in Kerry when the opposite is true. I can recall an incident a few years ago between two neighbouring South Kerry Clubs who are located only a stones throw from Dromid that ended up in a court of law over a vicious assault.

The incident you speak of did end up in a court of law, and was thrown out. Also it was between two players, not substitutes or supporters.

I do agree with you regarding the comments in the media though, I think they've played that badly, but they are certainly angry and taken aback at what happened. But there are certainly rows down in Kerry, and bad belts. Probably not as much bad off the ball stuff as elsewhere, and certainly very little, if any trouble on sidelines.

Really? Do you really believe this?
Kerry football will be under the spotlight in the coming years - lets hope they keep their noses as clean as clean can be. I think the behaviour of both teams on Sunday was plainly out of order and Derrytresk need to take a massive share of that blame for not contolling their bench, but to claim that Kerry football has never ever experienced this kind of thing is just nonsense. I played with many Kerry lads in America and some of the stories they enjoyed regaling certainly contradicts what your purist vision of Kerry football is.

I actually do. I played a small bit down there, and I didn't receive half as much off the ball stuff as I did up in Offaly. I'm sure it does happen, but again, I think in general it's not endemic.

As for the supporters lark, I never suggested that it doesn't happen, just that it certainly doesn't happen often, and I have never seen it at any Dromid game, nor heard of it at any Dromid game.

Look, despite their bleating about Kerry purer than pure football, which is obviously nonsense, I do think what happened at the weekend is something that is not common, nor expected down there.

Well, i spent 23 years of my life playing club football in Tyrone and I can tell you now that i can count on one hand the number of games that i have been to and played in that had instances like this. It is most definately not endemic as you suggest but again, lazy comments from people with little experience of the issue can cause people to arrive at the view you clearly have.

Thats not to say the GAA in Tyrone has no problems to deal with and like any organisation with so many members it has its fair share of nutcases. But it is grossly unfair for Tyrone football to be tarnished in the way it has been while Kerry football retains some sort of holier than thou image perpetuated by people like you, with your matter of fact statements, who have limited knowledge of either counties.

Cross will love that.

dr crokes have enough to worry about on the field without giving Cross this kind of motivation.

I honestly hope the Cross boys play the football they are capable of and shut these whinging kerry feckers up.

+1 Come on the Rangers!!

[Probably not as much bad off the ball stuff as elsewhere, and certainly very little, if any trouble on sidelines.]

Ridiculous comments from Crokes, but just this :

his type of thing never happened in Kerry when the opposite is true. I can recall an incident a few years ago between two neighbouring South Kerry Clubs who are located only a stones throw from Dromid that ended up in a court of law over a vicious assault.

The incident you speak of did end up in a court of law, and was thrown out. Also it was between two players, not substitutes or supporters.

I do agree with you regarding the comments in the media though, I think they've played that badly, but they are certainly angry and taken aback at what happened. But there are certainly rows down in Kerry, and bad belts. Probably not as much bad off the ball stuff as elsewhere, and certainly very little, if any trouble on sidelines.

Really? Do you really believe this?
Kerry football will be under the spotlight in the coming years - lets hope they keep their noses as clean as clean can be. I think the behaviour of both teams on Sunday was plainly out of order and Derrytresk need to take a massive share of that blame for not contolling their bench, but to claim that Kerry football has never ever experienced this kind of thing is just nonsense. I played with many Kerry lads in America and some of the stories they enjoyed regaling certainly contradicts what your purist vision of Kerry football is.

These games never fail to deliver! Class stuff!

Feck me thats a big pile of sanctimonious shite.

In the 2 games i saw players react to sumthing off the ball and get lined. I dont know why, probably would have needed to be in the close vicinity to know. Its a discussion board, not a court of law so we are allowed to speculate or pose the question.

But surely after two games you'd have seen something to back up your point. You watched Derrytresk twice and can't give one example of them using "dark arts", except that one of their players got hit. Yet you still feel the need to suggest that this is something they do on a regular basis. That just seems a bit strange to me.

Armamike, I'm not in the slightest bit touchy, im just a bit confused why you are asking this question about Derrytresk when you saw them at first hand. You don't need to assume anything - you saw for yourself - why don't you give specific examples of what you saw in the two games that led you to make the accusations of Derrytresk indulging in dark arts throughout this campaign?