Mayo v Dublin - AISF - Saturday 5pm

[dublin7]

cant believe anyone is saying mayo should drop o'connor. who cares if he is aggressive? there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or any intercounty football team. mayo have been way too soft in past years, they need characters like o'connor

He should be dropped due to his lack of quality as a forward who can't score points from play.

You didn't see the game the other day then? O'Connor is a very very good forward.

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.

[WhoDat]

cant believe anyone is saying mayo should drop o'connor. who cares if he is aggressive? there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or any intercounty football team. mayo have been way too soft in past years, they need characters like o'connor

He should be dropped due to his lack of quality as a forward who can't score points from play.

You didn't see the game the other day then? O'Connor is a very very good forward.

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.

and yet connolly is still there playing for dublin and is cheered on by dublin fans, despite his conduct on and off the field of play. and yet you're saying o'connor should be dropped because he got a red card in a game
as i said there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or on any team and mayo have needed a player with a bit of fire for a long time now

[tonto1888]

cant believe anyone is saying mayo should drop o'connor. who cares if he is aggressive? there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or any intercounty football team. mayo have been way too soft in past years, they need characters like o'connor

He should be dropped due to his lack of quality as a forward who can't score points from play.

You didn't see the game the other day then? O'Connor is a very very good forward.

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.

and yet connolly is still there playing for dublin and is cheered on by dublin fans, despite his conduct on and off the field of play. and yet you're saying o'connor should be dropped because he got a red card in a game
as i said there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or on any team and mayo have needed a player with a bit of fire for a long time now

There's having a bit of fire and there's being stupid. COC was stupid on Saturday. May well have been frustration but it was stupid

[TheGreatest]

Hard luck Mayo, 10 minutes Blitz was all that was required in the end. Dublin only scored 1-02, the same as Mayo, outside this period in the 2nd half. Unfair on Mayo to come into this match with a 1 week break.

No real sympathy for Mayo overall, always nice keeping them down.

Is Horan's 70k a year worth it? Especiaslly when Jim Gavin is only volunteers his timet to the cause. 

As fo O'Connor, if that was Connolly, imagine, just imagine the social and mainstream outrage, i will say no more but he should be off the panel, too much baggage, cant be trusted.

Where did you hear this? First I have heard about it. Can't disagree with you about O'Connor. Unfortunately,he has earned himself a hard man's reputation and I honestly think he does believe in getting his retaliation in first a lot of the time. Contrast that with Aidan O'Shea. He gets more abuse, verbal and physical than any other I can think of but he can be compared with O'Connor in this regard.
It's a pity but that's the way I see it; he has earned a bad reputation and isn't likely to get the benefit of the doubt from most referees.

I have no proof but believe my source, i wouldnt say hes doing it for nothing. I dont want to witch hunt any player and i will leave it at that Re: O Connor, i wont be opening a thread on a single player and let it run for 110 pages because he put a finger on a linesman.

Yeah but just a former player and manager right though? Your full of shit and just because that Connolly thread was bullshit or the crap about Dublin players not having jobs or conspiracy theories that Dublin players are juiced up doesn't excuse that you are full of shite and will spew and or believe any old bollix you hear about the hill 16 hate figures like O'Shea, Keegan, Horan, Andy Moran etc...
The great Randy Newman had a song called small people and you should have a listen to it you might find it interesting!!

Sorry, you will find me in the Hogan stand these days. I dont hate anyone,  i understand a lot of these guys have lives to get on with the next day, i am not like others on this forum with personal and libel attackes on players.

I do believe it should be open to the Public what managers are getting paid. It would cut out  a lot of these " rumours".

Again you are talking complete bullshit. You have no problem having a go at any Mayo player on here or anything connected with Mayo football or posting some bullshit statement about your perception of how Mayo get all the decisions from refs or more whataboutery on Mayo's finances or James Horan's supposed payments while posting all this anonymously on a internet forum and constantly sniping at Mayo but then coming out with a mealy mouthed I don't hate any county statement and sure good luck anyway blah blah blah!!
Provide some facts to back up your rumours or at least have the balls to stand by your sneaky comments and insults or just keep them to yourself. You would swear the Dubs had 68 year famine and were not going for a historic five in a row with the miserable threads, bollix bar stool philosopher posts and bullshit lies you spew about Mayo on here for the last couple of years.

Fair play for calling this bullshit for what it is. This same poster is continuously at this crack and when called out on it to provide the proof he cannot show it. He claims other counties pay their managers while Jim Gavin does it for sfa. Cannot provide proof for either. Never mind the constant disparaging, snide and condescending comments emanating from every post of his.

A complete bluffer/bullshitter.

Again, i wont be drawn to the level of Mayo and Kildare posters in personal attacks. No supirse its posters from Mayo and Kildare, they have taken some beatings over the last decade and find it hard to deal, i understand but personal attacks shouldnt be allowed but again the mods on this forum are at it themselves.

Back to the game. As higlighted above, great aggression shown by Dublin and both team teams in the first, a real championship battle, however natural skill took over the second half and sin e.

[Farrandeelin]

TheGreatest, have you proof of your source's word regarding James Horan and 70k or not?

[WhoDat]

cant believe anyone is saying mayo should drop o'connor. who cares if he is aggressive? there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or any intercounty football team. mayo have been way too soft in past years, they need characters like o'connor

He should be dropped due to his lack of quality as a forward who can't score points from play.

You didn't see the game the other day then? O'Connor is a very very good forward.

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.

and yet connolly is still there playing for dublin and is cheered on by dublin fans, despite his conduct on and off the field of play. and yet you're saying o'connor should be dropped because he got a red card in a game
as i said there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or on any team and mayo have needed a player with a bit of fire for a long time now

There's having a bit of fire and there's being stupid. COC was stupid on Saturday. May well have been frustration but it was stupid

so? arguing he should be dropped over that is the height of stupidity when there are players doing the same and worse on and off the field of play all the time and one or two of them play for dublin. we're all supposed to be so angry about o'connor and at the same time feel sorry for poor dermo who was "hounded out of the game by the media" (he was in his hole)

[tonto1888]

cant believe anyone is saying mayo should drop o'connor. who cares if he is aggressive? there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or any intercounty football team. mayo have been way too soft in past years, they need characters like o'connor

He should be dropped due to his lack of quality as a forward who can't score points from play.

You didn't see the game the other day then? O'Connor is a very very good forward.

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.

and yet connolly is still there playing for dublin and is cheered on by dublin fans, despite his conduct on and off the field of play. and yet you're saying o'connor should be dropped because he got a red card in a game
as i said there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or on any team and mayo have needed a player with a bit of fire for a long time now

There's having a bit of fire and there's being stupid. COC was stupid on Saturday. May well have been frustration but it was stupid

so? arguing he should be dropped over that is the height of stupidity when there are players doing the same and worse on and off the field of play all the time and one or two of them play for dublin. we're all supposed to be so angry about o'connor and at the same time feel sorry for poor dermo who was "hounded out of the game by the media" (he was in his hole)

I didn't call for him to be dropped. I'm fact I said in an earlier post he shouldn't be dropped. I was just calling him out for his stupidity

[dublin7]

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.
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and yet connolly is still there playing for dublin and is cheered on by dublin fans, despite his conduct on and off the field of play. and yet you're saying o'connor should be dropped because he got a red card in a game
as i said there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or on any team and mayo have needed a player with a bit of fire for a long time now
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I'm never said he should be dropped but he is becoming a liability to the team with his behaviour. Cost them the game against Galway last year with his red card for a needless elbow. I'm sure all of his teamates were gutted towards the end of the game on sat but none of them acted like a petulant child. It's not just Dublin fans who have had an issue with COC's behaviour/discipline on the field. Refs are paying more attention to it now as well

[larryin89]

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.

and yet connolly is still there playing for dublin and is cheered on by dublin fans, despite his conduct on and off the field of play. and yet you're saying o'connor should be dropped because he got a red card in a game
as i said there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or on any team and mayo have needed a player with a bit of fire for a long time now
[/quote]

I'm never said he should be dropped but he is becoming a liability to the team with his behaviour. Cost them the game against Galway last year with his red card for a needless elbow. I'm sure all of his teamates were gutted towards the end of the game on sat but none of them acted like a petulant child. It's not just Dublin fans who have had an issue with COC's behaviour/discipline on the field. Refs are paying more attention to it now as well
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That wasn't cillian .

[dublin7]

He wasn't much use Sat. Kicked one nice point and a bad wide in the 1st half. 2nd half the only target he hit was Davey Byrne.

Didn't offer any leadership and let down his team mates with that red card. With all the abuse Aidan O'Shea gets from opposition teams you never see him lash out. Usually COC uses his elbows to take out players so maybe that was out of character for him.

If Connolly had done that there'd be pages of abuse from posters slaughtering him.

and yet connolly is still there playing for dublin and is cheered on by dublin fans, despite his conduct on and off the field of play. and yet you're saying o'connor should be dropped because he got a red card in a game
as i said there are no shrinking violets on that dublin team or on any team and mayo have needed a player with a bit of fire for a long time now

I'm never said he should be dropped but he is becoming a liability to the team with his behaviour. Cost them the game against Galway last year with his red card for a needless elbow. I'm sure all of his teamates were gutted towards the end of the game on sat but none of them acted like a petulant child. It's not just Dublin fans who have had an issue with COC's behaviour/discipline on the field. Refs are paying more attention to it now as well
[/quote]

That wasn't cillian .
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It was in the league against Galway. Mayo have had several red cards against Galway in the last few years in league/championship so it's easy to get mixed up

[larryin89]

Ok . Like I said earlier to ya , you should really forget about cillian , haven't you guys a big aif to be looking forward to.

[Hound]

Well done to the Dubs. That first 10 mins of the second half was just awesome and is the best I have seen from the Dubs ever and maybe any football team I have seen in the flesh!!

Gavin got it perfect with the way the identified how weak Hennelly's kick outs are and exposed ruthlessly this big weakness with typical Gavin military precision!! Then throw on top natural flare of Paul Mannion who kicked one of the best points I have ever seen in front of me under the Cusack stand. Fenton then topped it off with a superb catch where he soared above three Mayo men to pluck the ball out of the sky!!

Moysider summed it up well that we actually controlled the ball well in the first half like we have never really done before in a big game in Croker but I felt despite this we still seemed a little flat footed despite bringing good intensity to the game.
Unfortunately the Hennelly experiment fell well short again. Nobody would honestly argue he is a better keeper than Clarke or better player so the main argument for starting him is his better restarts! Again as happens more often than not, these better restarts didn't really appear as Robbie nervously kicked balls straight to Dublin players immediately putting Mayo on the back foot even when we were on top in the first half!! If Horan can't come up with a plan for Clarke's kick outs then he needs to look elsewhere for a keeper because you give up to much in terms of leadership, composure and goalkeeping play for the hope that Hennelly might have a rare good day with his limited range of restarts!!

We need to improve a good bit with our delivery into the full forward line as in the first half Cillian and James Carr were showing well for the ball but we couldn't work the opening for direct quick ball into them and hence the lack of goal chances created in the first half. As good a game as Paddy Durcan had in terms of defending and work rate he really needs to get his head up more and not try too hard to take on impossible scores. Also I was very disappointed on how our more experienced players completely lost composure going for impossible goals after the Dublin blitz of 1-2 instead of working easier points to keep the scoreboard ticking over which might have slowed the Dublin onslaught and mentally kept us in the game a bit longer.

Overall though I think Horan has done well introducing the younger players into the team without tearing it all down and while there will be some retirements and some more older players moved on from, Mayo can continue to evolve and improve next year and hopefully be in the mix at the business end of the championship over the next few years.

Good and very fair analysis Crete.

I had initially thought the same about Hennelly, and there were at least 2 very bad kickouts from him. Although listening to Wooly analysing the "12 in 12" spell, he said that Mayo had 8 kickouts in that time, and Dublin won 4 of them. So 4 went to Mayomen. Of the 4 that were lost, one was poor from RH, but the other 3 were right on top of AOS (2) and SOS. So with no easy options, they were the go-to men, and RH couldnt have done any more (Fenton won both of the AOS ones and Small knocked down to SOS one to Kilkenny (who just nipped in ahead of Boyle).

So I think perhaps you could ask whether Clarke's kickouts would have gone even worse. Although we'll never know if Clarke might have done better on Con's finishes. On the replay you can see RH was a bit unlucky with Fenton's goal and obviously he saved his second attempt.

[highorlow]

I posted a while back that neither Hennelly or Clarke are any use. Anyone watching Hennelly in the warm up could see he was nervous as a bag of kittens.

Hound you pointed to the long ones as 50/50 but Boyle was showing for a few short ones during that period and Hennelly didn't have the confidence to go short. AOS was also wide open for a 20 yard dink and Hennelly changed his mind.

His confidence is gone, saw him in a club game for Breaffy last year and he was the polar opposite and probably is in Mayo training but when it comes to the big matches he is dust.

[Gael85]

I posted a while back that neither Hennelly or Clarke are any use. Anyone watching Hennelly in the warm up could see he was nervous as a bag of kittens. 

Hound you pointed to the long ones as 50/50 but Boyle was showing for a few short ones during that period and Hennelly didn't have the confidence to go short. AOS was also wide open for a 20 yard dink and Hennelly changed his mind.

His confidence is gone, saw him in a club game for Breaffy last year and he was the polar opposite and probably is in Mayo training but when it comes to the big matches he is dust.

What about Sclingermann for nets? He was very good in 09 minor final. Seen he was on panel this year and has given up the soccer. Hennelly has always been a liability. Clarke best stop shopper in country but never improved on restarts. Has in and out of Mayo teams since been first involved in 2001.

[macdanger2]

Considering how important the kickouts are, all counties really should be focusing on training young goalies (or outfield players willing to convert) on kickouts