Should An Glenn object?

[oakleaflad]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0125/1351758-glen-launch-appeal-to-the-cccc-what-happens-next/investigation has begun.

What happens next?

The GAA forwarded Glen's objection to Kilmacud this morning. The Stillorgan-based club now have the right to counter object and have up to three days to do so, with the deadline arriving on 11am on Saturday.

Crokes had 16 players defending Glen's late 45

Kilmacud can also choose to proactively inform the CCCC that they won't be counter objecting.

If there is no objection this then allows the CCCC to schedule a hearing on the matter.

The third option available to Crokes is to submit a written admission that they had 16/17 players on the field as alleged in the objection by Glen.

If Kilmacud Crokes counter object or don't submit a written admission, a hearing will be held by the CCCC.

When this takes place depends on what course of action Crokes decide upon, and when they choose to respond.

It is understood that the CCCC would like to hold a hearing within 24 hours of any Kilmacud response. That could mean a hearing being held as early as Thursday or as late as Sunday.

Once the CCCC make a decision in the matter, three days are then allowed for an appeal against the decision.

If the CCCC decided the game has to be replayed, any potential rematch could take place as early as the weekend of 4/5 February.

Depending on the process it could be as late as 18 or 19 February as it's understood a Glen player is due to get married on 11 February.

Ciaran McFaul next due in court on 13th Feb, just to throw another spanner in the works.

[yellowcard]

I think the other compelling one is to stop the GAA copping out of these decisions and trying to put any blame on teams that are involved. That should not be allowed.

Lets hope it leads to a change in how a player is substituted because without that been changed this will happen again and again. Player coming off should be come to the line before sub is allowed on.

The irony is that this is likely precisely what Kilmacud were hoping would happen by bringing on the subs. Give them time to trudge off the pitch slowly to wind down the clock so that their players get set into position for the resultant set piece. Which is also probably why Tallon opted to take the 45 quickly to avoid such a scenario. How often do we see it in soccer where the substituted player walks off slowly wasting around 30 seconds as the sub waits on the sideline until he reaches the touchline. After the 45 was taken and the shot went wide, the referee put his hand in the air and ordered Mullin off the pitch and it is at that point that he should have reordered the kick to be retaken. But since it was likely the referees own decision to allow the quick 45 first time around he was never going to order a retake.

[Milltown Row2]

At no point in this will KC say they didn't have 16 players on the pitch, just forget about Mannion, it doesn't come into it all all, standing on the pitch side of the sideline is nowhere near what was going on.

The problem Glen may have is if Crokes said they followed procedure i.e sub slips and the 4th official let the ref know, but he waved it on (thinking the player had left) it will be a tough one to lose, as in forfeit, which within the overall rules they can lose it.

Croke park will have to wait for the referee's report first, they will not have seen it till after Glen put in an appeal, these things are generally posted or on occasions emailed, but I think this one will be meticulously written up.. Glen will get a copy as will KC so I'd say this is a big fecking headace now..

I really feel for the officials on that side and the ref tbh, because up to that point he'd a brilliant game, and it was a penalty 

[tonto1888]

It's suggested that Dublin County team have been at this for years esp since the black card came in. They have finished a number of games with 16 men on the field or 15 despite getting a player black carded. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

which games

[trailer]

One thing Glen should factor in is that they'll get humped in any possible replay.

[yellowcard]

One thing Glen should factor in is that they'll get humped in any possible replay.

On the evidence of Sunday there is clearly very little between the 2 sides so that is far from being the case. They would have every chance in a replayed fixture even moreso if it is taken out of Croke Park and if McFaul became available. 

[blanketattack]

One thing Glen should factor in is that they'll get humped in any possible replay.

They thought the same would happen to Offaly v Clare in 98.

[seafoid]

During a period of 21 minutes either side of halftime they were held scoreless. They could definitely work on that.

[blanketattack]

It would be funny if after all the stone wall red cards and suspensions that got handed out in recent years and subsequent dubious appeals getting the player off, if a genuine appeal with definite rules broken ended up failing.
And by funny I mean farcical.

It's about time some independent 3rd party legal experts went through the gaa rulebook and appeals process in fine detail and made it ironclad.

[Look-Up!]

I wonder is there much going on behind the scenes as to what will happen e.g if GAA order replay and Glenn don't accept and let KC keep the cup, they'll get compensated some other way

[03,05,08]

If a replay is ordered and kilmacud just don't play it, they'll be seen as the champions regardless

[square_ball]

One thing Glen should factor in is that they'll get humped in any possible replay.

On the evidence of Sunday there is clearly very little between the 2 sides so that is far from being the case. They would have every chance in a replayed fixture even moreso if it is taken out of Croke Park and if McFaul became available.

You do realise that if there is a replay it will take place within the next few weeks not this time next year? There is not a chance in hell that 1) McFaul will be home within weeks and 2) if by some miracle he is home that Glen will throw him into an All Ireland Final.

[Armamike]

One thing Glen should factor in is that they'll get humped in any possible replay.

You'd put your house on that?

[OakLeaf]

You are looking at it from a 'gentlemans agreement, fairplay crap' The slips were given and its totally down to the officials that allowed play to continue while there was an extra man on the pitch.

The KC management alone have full responsibility to ensure that they have only 15 players on the field, and the officials have the responsibility to correct any transgressions in this regard. The officials definitely messed up but the KC are equally (if not more) culpable. Team management certainly has to supply the officials with the name of the subs, but those officials are not responsible for swapping the players on/off. If you can find a rule that states this I'd be happy to be corrected.

[trailer]

One thing Glen should factor in is that they'll get humped in any possible replay.

On the evidence of Sunday there is clearly very little between the 2 sides so that is far from being the case. They would have every chance in a replayed fixture even moreso if it is taken out of Croke Park and if McFaul became available.

You do realise that if there is a replay it will take place within the next few weeks not this time next year? There is not a chance in hell that 1) McFaul will be home within weeks and 2) if by some miracle he is home that Glen will throw him into an All Ireland Final.

Agree. Some people have completely lost the run of themselves in this debate. Moaning about the Shane Walsh transfer, parachuting Ciaran McFaul in, replays, Joe Wally on the radio 24/7.
Crazy behaviour all round.