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#136
Quote from: mouview on September 10, 2021, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: clarshack on September 10, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2021, 12:21:42 PM
I can't remember a match being analysed to death as much as this one. Podcasts have been made analysing the match which have lasted longer than the actual match will itself. Pundits trying to second guess tactics, match ups, team selections etc as if it is some sort of exact science. I think we must be getting very near the point where we are reaching the peak of GAA over analysis by the media.

Exactly, all it takes is for a key player to go off injured early on or even worse sent off and it changes everything, and you cannot predict something like that.

Or a couple of OGs!

The one thing that makes me fear for Mayo is that I can't really see them losing! Both teams struggled / had to work so hard for scores to an extent in their semi-finals, but Mayo's opponents then were more proven, with less subsequent weaknesses than Kerry. Tyrone showed great stubbornness and work rate to overcome Kerry but still had to rely on the 3 goals, 2 of which were as a result of poor defending, and had the luck to see Kerry score none of their own. As poor as Galway are, I'd fancy our chances reasonably enough were we in the final tomorrow, and Mayo are much superior to us. I think they'll be stronger throughout the field and better in midfield in particular, and find scores that much easier to come by.  Mayo by 5 at least.

You can't see Mayo losing?  If there is a way to lose an All Ireland final, Mayo will inevitably find it.

Tyrone always struggle with Mayo and Mayo always struggle with finals. It's nearly impossible to call.
I hope Mayo do it; despite their inability to get over the line, they have been for me, the most inspirational team in the last 20 years. 

I seen that a publican somewhere has characterised the game as being The Curse v The Virus. 
To me its The Romantics v The Cynics

Maybe that's a bit unfair on Tyrone and Mayo are well fit for a some cynical football when its needed,

In line with that thinking, the heart says Mayo.  But the head says Tyrone get the crucial breaks at the right time and with 5 mins left, they will be defending a 3pt lead, playing keep ball, sacrificing a black cards and taking momentum out of the game at every chance they get. 
#137
Quote from: BennyCake on September 07, 2021, 04:27:39 PM
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Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland. Both teams know how to win tight games. Both teams have came out of semi finals where their opponents were deemed to lose the game rather than them win it.

Mayo have Keegan durcan O'Shea McLoughlin who have a lot of experience. Tyrone have Donnelly Harte hampsey McNamee. There are a fair few younger ones in both teams.

It is one of those games I wouldn't be surprised what happens in most cases. Definitely a great one for the neutral to look forward to.

Was thinking about this the other day. Would it be the first time since 2012? Is 2010 the only other time this century?

Erm....

2002 and 2003. How would you forget 2003 lol

That Kerry team in 2002, most had won it in 2000.

Can't recall any All Ireland in 2003.
2012 - Mayo - Donegal - no?
#138
It might have already been said, but I think Tyrone have a disadvantage from the 2 week turnaround after the Kerry match.  They will have spent the first week coming down from that high. Mayo on the other hand have more time adjust after coming of the high of beating Dublin.  How much will that really mean?

As a neutral fan, I think it's great that there is only a short build up to the final.  With a 3-4 week build up, you eventually get sick looking at the same meaningless articles as the media rip the bag out of it.
#139
General discussion / Re: Brexit.
September 01, 2021, 05:50:14 PM
The UK's international relevance is now plain to be seen in how the US have treated them in terms of the Afghan withdrawal.  They were not even consulted.   The Biden administration regards the UK Brexiteers with contempt.  There is no special relationship any more because the UK cannot be that bridge to Europe and the US doesn't even seem interested in using the UK as a mudguard in the way Bush operated with Blair. 
#140
General discussion / Re: Brexit.
September 01, 2021, 04:46:07 PM
They'll never rejoin the EU.  The process of leaving was damaging enough never mind rejoining an EU that will potentially be more centralised.   I also doubt that the EU would have them.

#141
If Spillane's nonsense before the game was any indication of the thinking in the Kerry camp going into this game, no wonder they were beaten
#142
Kerry very poor.  You would have thought they had Covid. 

There will rightly be many questions asked about whether this game should have been moved.  The delay was all in favour of Tyrone and you can ask questions if it should have made any difference to Kerry.  However ,they still should have had a better opportunity to prepare than Tyrone.  They looked sluggish.  It was Tyrone that looked like a team who was collectively training, while Kerry looked like they weren't.



#143
I actually looked at the list on Boards.ie
Link here: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057173179/football-ranking-table/p35

Armagh are at 11 on the list.  The reasoning for Armagh's positioning is explained on the following page.  They had been at 7 on the table in early July, which I would argue is a better reflection of where they are at now.  They secured their place in Division 1 (playing four games instead of the usual 7). On that basis, 7th would seem about right.  However, they dropped points on this ranking following defeat to Monaghan because at that point Monaghan were below them in the table and Armagh were expected to beat them.   Arising from that Armagh lost 3.42 ranking points while Monaghan received the same.  It's quite a big swing for one game and would place Armagh at upper mid-table Division 2. But is it that unrealistic?

If Armagh were to play Cork, Meath or Kildare tomorrow, I would suggest that they would have more than a 50/50 chance of beating all three - but you couldn't depend on them. Only for their long standing poor record against Galway, I would suggest that they would beat them too, but again many doubts. All of these teams are Div 2 (coming or going).

So, I would say, the ranking is slightly un-reflective of Armagh's season and there is a kneejerk element to the loss of one game that really was a toin-coss beforehand. It cannot take account of other information, such as the fact that Armagh lost their goalie before the game. 

All that shows is that the tool isn't perfect.  It can't deal with qualitative information only the performance on the scoreboard and league table.  On the basis of that, I think its a damn fine piece of work.
#144
General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
August 20, 2021, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 20, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
Quote from: BenDover on August 20, 2021, 12:34:04 AM
Family wedding at the weekend and my whole house is down with Covid. OH and I are vaccinated. My symptoms are flu like with a cough, eldest boy the same. Youngest kids showing no symptoms. Isolation now for 10 days.

Yeah, same situation here , friends wedding, widespread covid cases and 1 death, mostly double jabbed

That's terrible. I know if it was my wedding, I would be devastated if someone caught covid and died. 
#145
Maybe it was a piece of performance art.
#146
Quote from: lenny on August 10, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Anyone else think Tyrone are at it here? They've got a few injuries in mcshane, mckenna and canavan and they're trying to buy an extra week for them to recover.

Definitely not and btw this was predicatable and it is a definitely a player welfare issue as was discussed in previous posts. 

Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.
Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.

It was interesting to hear the response of certain people when the Armagh goalkeeper was ruled out with it.  They were along the lines of, why on earth did he get tested and he could have played away.  The assumption seemed to be that because these guys are young and extremely physically fit, there would be no implications on their physical ability to play football.  I'd say that's far from the case!

1 of the guys I know who was hit with it is an absolute machine. As fit a man as I know. For a few weeks after the all clear was really struggling APM

Spot on! An extra week will be of limited benefit to any player in that position depending on when they test positive. You will also have guys that will just want to get out and play and say that they are better. Not a good place to be in for a management team.


Someone mentioned the Newbridge or Nowhere scenario up above.  There is no way it will come to that. 
For a start, these are two totally different scenarios.  The Newbridge issue was patently unjust and Kildare were absolutely correct in challenging it. 

There will be sympathy for the predicament that Tyrone is in and setting the game back 1 week gives them a chance to field, but the impacted players will definitely not be right.  As someone said above, that is why you have a panel.

However, if Tyrone challenge this and get an additional week, then what happens if Kerry lose the two Cliffords to Covid for the refixture.  Would Tyrone offer Kerry another fortnight for the lads to recover. 

The GAA were pragmatic in moving the fixture by one week and it is probably the right thing to do.  In some ways they shouldn't have moved it at all because it sets a precedent.  However, you can definitely not have a further precedent set by Tyrone successfully challenging that decision, otherwise where does it stop.

What are considered sufficient grounds to push the game back?

They should fulfill the fixture with a weakened team or just concede a walkover, which you wouldn't want to see.
#147
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 09, 2021, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 09, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on August 09, 2021, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Confirmed AISF and Final pushed back a week!

Could have pushed it back to 2008 to give Tyrone a decent chance of winning it.
If players have COVID a 1 week delay would not be much time to recover from it.

The match was originally scheduled for Sunday (a week from the outbreak) and now with the rescheduling to Saturday week there is now 13 days until the game. Jesus christ  use your head man

Think the poster was saying a 6 day delay isn't going to help players recover. They will be out of isolation but won't be anywhere near fit. To stand a chance at making a game out of it all tyrone players would have to be fully fit.

This is the point.  I think some people are assuming that these guys are really fit and there will be no implications for fitness to play, that it is just an administrative problem around self-isolation. We talked about this on another thread.  Some players will have no symptoms, but there will be some who will be hit like a tonne of bricks and will take a while to recover. 

Looking at the stats, Covid is rampant in Tyrone and those players that have managed to avoid it will also be walking on eggshells for the next 10 days.
#148
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
August 09, 2021, 03:19:00 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 09, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
Quote from: skeog on August 09, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
Gaa suits be happy to cancel means an extra 24000 at 50 a piece imo.

Wtf are you talking about.

WTF are the "GAA suits"! Pejorative language for administrators. They are needed a club level, county level and in HQ. I have to laugh at members of the GAA complaining about the GAA.  The "suits" are either elected to run the organisation or appointed by those that are elected. The association has to have an administration.
#149
General discussion / Re: Lions Tour
August 08, 2021, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 08, 2021, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 08, 2021, 10:59:07 AM
Rugby isn't "doing more than most". As a sport it continues to bury its head in the sand that the size of the pitch and number of players on it, innately encourages players to bulk up to the point that they're all uncoiled weapons.

They are suspending players for high tackles and forcing players to leave the pitch for assessments if they get a head injury or a hit to the head. That's way ahead of football and GAA who don't have any policies in place for head injuries and even if they do they're certainly not enforced. Players being taken off with head injuries or after getting hit on the head are the exception rather than the rule.

Changes do need to be made to the rules to make the game less about physicality and speed up the game

Absolute nonsense.  Hard to even know where to start with that. 
#150
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 01:01:03 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on August 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: APM on August 07, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
Never mind the disruption, would be surprised if it doesn't impact the team's performance also. Some will have no symptoms, some will have symptoms and bounce back very quickly, others will be exhausted for a week or two after it.
Yes, big problem alright. I know a few players and it took them a few weeks to get the lungs near right.

It was interesting to hear the response of certain people when the Armagh goalkeeper was ruled out with it.  They were along the lines of, why on earth did he get tested and he could have played away.  The assumption seemed to be that because these guys are young and extremely physically fit, there would be no implications on their physical ability to play football.  I'd say that's far from the case!

1 of the guys I know who was hit with it is an absolute machine. As fit a man as I know. For a few weeks after the all clear was really struggling APM

Spot on! An extra week will be of limited benefit to any player in that position depending on when they test positive. You will also have guys that will just want to get out and play and say that they are better. Not a good place to be in for a management team.