Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[Tony Baloney]

[armaghniac]

And that is Stormont's problem how?

I mean, the Dail can find €50m to fund Casement, why could that not have been diverted to Clones. You know, within its own jurisdiction...

Ulster finals include teams from all over Ulster, it is makes equal sense to Stormont to assist with Clones as it does for Dublin to help with Casement.

[Evil Genius]

Soccer and rugby had already stands in place so they got money for the rest.

Casement was a fresh build so it should have got more money I think - not an equal amount.

Complete misunderstanding.

When the original plan for a shared stadium at the Maze was eventually pulled*, the £144m originally set aside for that was was reallocated between the three codes according to need, participation rates and fairness, so that Rugby (the minority sport) only got £20m, while Soccer and GAA each got £62m.

Soccer could have spent all of its £62m on building a brand new stadium, but chose instead to upgrade Windsor at a cost of £26m and the remaining £36m on "sub-regional" stadia (the bulk of which strongly rumoured to include £10m on The Oval in Peter Robinson's constituency, plus £10m on the Brandywell, in Martin McGuinness' constituency. Funny that, eh?)

Anyhow, there is no reason why the GAA could not have reallocated its £62m (plus own £15m) in other directions. Instead they chose to rebuild Casement to a size and design which by any objective analysis was not needed and now they've screwed that up (and Antrim), seem to imagine that they should somehow be rewarded for their own incompetence and vanity with an extra £100m or more, while our schools, hospitals and roads etc are falling apart.

You couldn't make it up.


* - Solely due to the figures not adding up btw, rather than Unionist opposition or any other reason.

[Evil Genius]

And that is Stormont's problem how?

I mean, the Dail can find €50m to fund Casement, why could that not have been diverted to Clones. You know, within its own jurisdiction...

Ulster finals include teams from all over Ulster, it is makes equal sense to Stormont to assist with Clones as it does for Dublin to help with Casement.

Except it doesn't make sense for Dublin to assist with Casement. 

And if I were a taxpayer in ROI, I'd be hopping mad at that, esp while Clones (and others) could do with every last cent.

[armaghniac]

And that is Stormont's problem how?

I mean, the Dail can find €50m to fund Casement, why could that not have been diverted to Clones. You know, within its own jurisdiction...

Ulster finals include teams from all over Ulster, it is makes equal sense to Stormont to assist with Clones as it does for Dublin to help with Casement.

Except it doesn't make sense for Dublin to assist with Casement. 

And if I were a taxpayer in ROI, I'd be hopping mad at that, esp while Clones (and others) could do with every last cent.

Don't be ridiculous, it makes sense to develop one or the other and both administration to fund it.

[Tony Baloney]

And that is Stormont's problem how?

I mean, the Dail can find €50m to fund Casement, why could that not have been diverted to Clones. You know, within its own jurisdiction...

Ulster finals include teams from all over Ulster, it is makes equal sense to Stormont to assist with Clones as it does for Dublin to help with Casement.

Except it doesn't make sense for Dublin to assist with Casement. 

And if I were a taxpayer in ROI, I'd be hopping mad at that, esp while Clones (and others) could do with every last cent.

The GAA is a 32 county jurisdiction.

[Rossfan]

So is Rugger.

[Evil Genius]

The GAA is a 32 county jurisdiction.

So?

Dublin taxes its citizens in ROI and in return spends it eg on benefits and pensions etc in ROI, with ROI citizens having a vote in how its spent.

Westminster taxes its citizens in NI and spends it on benefits and pensions etc in NI, whose citizens have a vote on how that is spent.

Or does Dublin spend money in NI on every other all-Ireland institution, eg Irish Cricket?
https://www.reuters.com/sports/cricket/ireland-build-national-cricket-stadium-near-dublin-2024-08-15/

[Rois]

And that is Stormont's problem how?

I mean, the Dail can find €50m to fund Casement, why could that not have been diverted to Clones. You know, within its own jurisdiction...

Ulster finals include teams from all over Ulster, it is makes equal sense to Stormont to assist with Clones as it does for Dublin to help with Casement.

Except it doesn't make sense for Dublin to assist with Casement. 

And if I were a taxpayer in ROI, I'd be hopping mad at that, esp while Clones (and others) could do with every last cent.

You wouldn't be hopping mad if you were an Irish nationalist living in the south. Particularly if you acknowledge the positive financial impact the northern GAA supporters have on the southern economy year in, year out. Disproportionately so compared with the southern supporters in the north. VAT receipts alone from
Northern fans likely to be significant. Don't think Cricket Ireland has the same impact, but I could be wrong. 

[AustinPowers]

The GAA is a 32 county jurisdiction.

So?

Dublin taxes its citizens in ROI and in return spends it eg on benefits and pensions etc in ROI, with ROI citizens having a vote in how its spent.

Westminster taxes its citizens in NI and spends it on benefits and pensions etc in NI, whose citizens have a vote on how that is spent.

Or does Dublin spend money in NI on every other all-Ireland institution, eg Irish Cricket?
https://www.reuters.com/sports/cricket/ireland-build-national-cricket-stadium-near-dublin-2024-08-15/

Are you referring to  ordinary folk here? If you are , those statements  sure ain't true.

[Armagh18]

And that is Stormont's problem how?

I mean, the Dail can find €50m to fund Casement, why could that not have been diverted to Clones. You know, within its own jurisdiction...

Ulster finals include teams from all over Ulster, it is makes equal sense to Stormont to assist with Clones as it does for Dublin to help with Casement.

Except it doesn't make sense for Dublin to assist with Casement. 

And if I were a taxpayer in ROI, I'd be hopping mad at that, esp while Clones (and others) could do with every last cent.

You wouldn't be hopping mad if you were an Irish nationalist living in the south. Particularly if you acknowledge the positive financial impact the northern GAA supporters have on the southern economy year in, year out. Disproportionately so compared with the southern supporters in the north. VAT receipts alone from
Northern fans likely to be significant. Don't think Cricket Ireland has the same impact, but I could be wrong. 

Personally speaking I feel as though I left the price of a brave bit of casement between Clones and Dublin pubs this year!!

[Wildweasel74]

Casement park should been 25k, no point breaking the bank for 1/2 games a year. But the c**k up, once the maze fell through solely with the Ulster Council. A proper assessment always would showed a fire issue. From what I seen, the buying of 4 houses in the bottom corner on the QT, (If the house owner would sold,) would sorted the exit fire exit point.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Soccer and rugby had already stands in place so they got money for the rest.

Casement was a fresh build so it should have got more money I think - not an equal amount.

As has been alluded to on here on multiple occasions, it's been a mess from Antrim, Ulster GAA and the GAA from the start.

A great example on NOT how to do things but we are where we are.

Could the EU give £50m or has that boat sailed? They must have some fund that could give for a project 'outwith' their remit?

Why should the EU give money to a place not in the EU?
there is even a question over the Irish government money, why should they give a large amount to Antrim when they haven't give it to Meath, Kildare, Louth etc who all have projects?

Don't be ridiculous, it makes sense to develop one or the other and both administration to fund it.

I'm confused. Are you a bot?

[armaghniac]

Soccer and rugby had already stands in place so they got money for the rest.

Casement was a fresh build so it should have got more money I think - not an equal amount.

As has been alluded to on here on multiple occasions, it's been a mess from Antrim, Ulster GAA and the GAA from the start.

A great example on NOT how to do things but we are where we are.

Could the EU give £50m or has that boat sailed? They must have some fund that could give for a project 'outwith' their remit?

Why should the EU give money to a place not in the EU?
there is even a question over the Irish government money, why should they give a large amount to Antrim when they haven't give it to Meath, Kildare, Louth etc who all have projects?

Don't be ridiculous, it makes sense to develop one or the other and both administration to fund it.

I'm confused. Are you a bot?

Are you? Perhaps an early version?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Casement park should been 25k, no point breaking the bank for 1/2 games a year. But the c**k up, once the maze fell through solely with the Ulster Council. A proper assessment always would showed a fire issue. From what I seen, the buying of 4 houses in the bottom corner on the QT, (If the house owner would sold,) would sorted the exit fire exit point.

I get it....but I'm not convinced it finishes there.
The Shinners convinced them they owned west Belfast and could easily get it done. Enter Caral from the New Lodge stage left....
There were those who went out to bat for them in the media and did untold damage in a very arrogant and/or aggressive manner (our current President can't shirk that either).
And there were those who blindly followed the GAA good - everything else bad ideology. That continues to this day when this discussion comes up.
If there was ever to be a review or investigation on how we ended up in this mess (how hasn't there been?) Ulster and Antrim GAA should be shouldering a massive part of the blame but those who propagated their madness for the last 15 years would want to take a redner too.