Messi or Ronaldo - Who's best

[Taylor]

After last night I can safely say I would rather have Ronaldo on my team going into a tough game.

That would not have happened last night if he had been on the Barca team IMHO

Something that bothers me greatly. We now have more research power than every before at our fingertips. Yet people seem more keen than ever to make absurd proclamations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9235260.stm

I guess that game wasn't big enough for Ronaldo to stand up in?

Or is it possible to concede that even the greatest players of all time occasionally can't turn it around?

An absurd proclamation or simply an opinion? 

In my opinion that wouldnt have happened if Ronaldo had been on Barcelona team.

For some who say he is the greatest player I would have expected more from him last night

[thewobbler]

It's an absurd opinion as it's full of contradictions.

Marking down one of the most consistently brilliant players in history for not throwing in a 9/10 performance in every single game, is one thing.

But using it as an opportunity to mark up a similarly consistently brilliant player who has also thrown in anonymous performances in big games, well that's just f**king odd.

[Angelo]

After last night I can safely say I would rather have Ronaldo on my team going into a tough game.

That would not have happened last night if he had been on the Barca team IMHO

Something that bothers me greatly. We now have more research power than every before at our fingertips. Yet people seem more keen than ever to make absurd proclamations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9235260.stm

I guess that game wasn't big enough for Ronaldo to stand up in?

Or is it possible to concede that even the greatest players of all time occasionally can't turn it around?

An absurd proclamation or simply an opinion? 

In my opinion that wouldnt have happened if Ronaldo had been on Barcelona team.

For some who say he is the greatest player I would have expected more from him last night

His cheerleaders think hitting a few nice passes cuts it from the greatest player ever in the face of adversity.

[Esmarelda]

Taylor, what exactly do you think Ronaldo would've done last night to avert the result?

Angelo, how do you figure that Messi went missing. He was the only man getting on the ball trying to make things happen. As happens on the board regularly, a poster waits for an opportunity to back up their unshakeable view but only show up their obvious prejudice.

[Angelo]

Taylor, what exactly do you think Ronaldo would've done last night to avert the result?

Angelo, how do you figure that Messi went missing. He was the only man getting on the ball trying to make things happen. As happens on the board regularly, a poster waits for an opportunity to back up their unshakeable view but only show up their obvious prejudice.

You're judging Messi under what you'd judge an ordinary player. Vidal was the best Barca player on display by a mile last night. He went missing last night, you expect the greatest player ever to pull you out of a hole, he did nothing.

In the face of adversity he disappears.

[Esmarelda]

Taylor, what exactly do you think Ronaldo would've done last night to avert the result?

Angelo, how do you figure that Messi went missing. He was the only man getting on the ball trying to make things happen. As happens on the board regularly, a poster waits for an opportunity to back up their unshakeable view but only show up their obvious prejudice.

You're judging Messi under what you'd judge an ordinary player. Vidal was the best Barca player on display by a mile last night. He went missing last night, you expect the greatest player ever to pull you out of a hole, he did nothing.

In the face of adversity he disappears.

But what would you have expected him to do in this particular case? What would Maradaona or the Brazilian Ronaldo have done? When Fabinho tripped Messi in the second half when he had four defenders around him, what would Maradona have done?

You've also not dealt with the fact that Maradona got sent off and sent home from two of his four World Cups? Is this digging his team out of a hole?

[trailer]

Messi not even top 3 for me. Has it handy in a team of superstars.

Maradonna
Ronaldo
Fat Ronaldo

How controversial. I don't believe you.

Just go back and watch fat Ronaldo. He was unreal. Did it at the very top in multiple leagues with different teams and of course for his country. He was different gravy.
The fact Messi has only played for Barca I think is to his detriment. The only other side he's played for is Argentina and he has been average enough. Not for me.

Messi confirms tonight that he shouldn't be mentioned in same breath as Maradona, Ronaldo or Fat Ronaldo. Not a great player.

Trailer confirms tonight that he does not a clue about football

And you do?

[trailer]

Messi is nothing more than a show pony. When other do the dirty work he can shine. But when the chips are down and you need someone to stand up and be counted, he disappears. He was Captain of that shambles last night. Not for me. Not a great player. Not even top 5 in my book.

Maradona
Ronaldo
Fat Ronaldo
Zidane
Van Basten

[Angelo]

Taylor, what exactly do you think Ronaldo would've done last night to avert the result?

Angelo, how do you figure that Messi went missing. He was the only man getting on the ball trying to make things happen. As happens on the board regularly, a poster waits for an opportunity to back up their unshakeable view but only show up their obvious prejudice.

You're judging Messi under what you'd judge an ordinary player. Vidal was the best Barca player on display by a mile last night. He went missing last night, you expect the greatest player ever to pull you out of a hole, he did nothing.

In the face of adversity he disappears.

But what would you have expected him to do in this particular case? What would Maradaona or the Brazilian Ronaldo have done? When Fabinho tripped Messi in the second half when he had four defenders around him, what would Maradona have done?

You've also not dealt with the fact that Maradona got sent off and sent home from two of his four World Cups? Is this digging his team out of a hole?

Inspire his team. Maradona was volatile but he did the business. He carried his club and country to success. Messi is great when things are good but he disappears when leadership is badly wanted.

[Taylor]

Taylor, what exactly do you think Ronaldo would've done last night to avert the result?

Angelo, how do you figure that Messi went missing. He was the only man getting on the ball trying to make things happen. As happens on the board regularly, a poster waits for an opportunity to back up their unshakeable view but only show up their obvious prejudice.

IMHO he would have stood up and taken the game to opposition.
Messi did v little last night - he certainly wasnt the best on the Barca team last night.

To be classed as the best or at least one of the best of all time I would expect you to rescue your team in their hour of need or at least make a decent fist of it. Its all fair and well banging goals when all is going well and the team is on top.

Messi is a wonderful player but for me he goes missing too often when the chips are really down and this is what is important when judging how good a player is in the pantheon of all time greats

[tyroneman]

Messi is an unbelievable  player, however he has always had teams and tactics built specifically around him, so when he fails, it usually all goes wrong.

He is so far from captin material however....with both Barcelona and Argentina he has consistantly failed to inspire those around him when the chips are down.

His only means of showing of leadership is with his feet, which is why much lesser talented players like Keane, Vieria, Hierro etc were far, far better captains.

I'm probably wrong but I can't really remember too many important games for club or country where Messi has pulled either Barca or Argentina out of a hole

[Maiden1]

It's not like he hasn't won anything.

Barcelona
La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18
Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015

He scored 2 goals in the tie which is up there with what you would expect from a world class striker.  Liverpool scored 4 at home including a goal from a corner that a Sunday league team that had all been out on the p1ss the night before would be disappointed to concede.

[Angelo]

It's not like he hasn't won anything.

Barcelona
La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18
Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015

He scored 2 goals in the tie which is up there with what you would expect from a world class striker.  Liverpool scored 4 at home including a goal from a corner that a Sunday league team that had all been out on the p1ss the night before would be disappointed to concede.

He hardly played CL football in 05/06.

He went missing when his team needed him.

[tyroneman]

It's not like he hasn't won anything.

Barcelona
La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2017–18, 2018–19
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17, 2017–18
Supercopa de España: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016, 2018
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015

He scored 2 goals in the tie which is up there with what you would expect from a world class striker.  Liverpool scored 4 at home including a goal from a corner that a Sunday league team that had all been out on the p1ss the night before would be disappointed to concede.

Barca were a great team - of course they won a load of trophies

No one is disputing he is a great player, however he usually shines when creating  / enhancing a lead.

The issue being debated is that he generally does not seem capable of dragging a team up out of a hole when it finds itself behind

[Maroon Manc]

Very disappointed with Messi last night, he went missing last night as soon as Liverpool got the 2nd; You can see why he'll never be loved in Argentina like Maradona is.