Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

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RedHand88

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 12:38:21 PM
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Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.
How far away is Altnagelvin from Enniskillen? Maybe I'm just spoilt having Daisy Hill and Craigavon a stones throw away with Belfast only a spin up the dual carriageway as well.

Hour and 10. 50 miles. Beautifully demonstrates my point on roads

You would never make it in 1 hr 10. I'm between Dromore and Omagh and will take anything from 1hr to 1hr 15 depending on traffic. Enniskillen another 20- 25 mins on that. I've done the trip regularly unfortunately.

Infrastructure not  hospitals dotted everywhere is what we need .

But you need good strategy at govt  level for that . SF/DUP don't fit that bill.

We have far more hospitals per head of population than rest of Ireland and uk.

This is the thing people don't realise. Belfast has no need for 3 major hospitals. This extends to 5 when you include suburban towns.

Snapchap

Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
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Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.

So f** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Hospitals aren't just emergency departments. This is the misunderstanding that people have and politicians have a duty to explain that to their communities.

So that's a yes? F** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

trailer

Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.

So f** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Hospitals aren't just emergency departments. This is the misunderstanding that people have and politicians have a duty to explain that to their communities.

So that's a yes? F** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

No it's not. But if a proper health service was delivered people can access the APPROPRIATE CARE at the right time including emergencies. Having a part staffed hospital in rural Fermanagh because it gets votes for Michelle Gildernew is not the way to do that. Surely you understand that. And once again not everyone needs to access a hospital within a "golden hour"



charlieTully

I mind getting into a row with someone on fb a while back because they were complaining there was no gp out of hours centre in Banbridge. There is one in Craigavon and newry. Both 15 mins from Banbridge. The population is spoilt rotten. Every report commissioned in the past 20 years  has warned of this outcome but there is no political party willing to take the tough decisions. Everyone is in their own silo. Now we are all fkued.

trueblue1234

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 18, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 11:41:50 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.
How far away is Altnagelvin from Enniskillen? Maybe I'm just spoilt having Daisy Hill and Craigavon a stones throw away with Belfast only a spin up the dual carriageway as well.

Hour and 10. 50 miles. Beautifully demonstrates my point on roads

You would never make it in 1 hr 10. I'm between Dromore and Omagh and will take anything from 1hr to 1hr 15 depending on traffic. Enniskillen another 20- 25 mins on that. I've done the trip regularly unfortunately.

Infrastructure not  hospitals dotted everywhere is what we need .

But you need good strategy at govt  level for that . SF/DUP don't fit that bill.

We have far more hospitals per head of population than rest of Ireland and uk.

SF have been the main party pushing the development of the A4.
But I agree, infrastructure is essential in the west. The A5 and A4 need to happen. And soon.

On an aside, from Memory Peter Quinn was one of the big supporters for the SWAH and one of the main campaigners.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

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Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.

So f** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Hospitals aren't just emergency departments. This is the misunderstanding that people have and politicians have a duty to explain that to their communities.

So that's a yes? F** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Thought I heard a sheep there

Snapchap

Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 08:12:36 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 17, 2022, 10:11:40 PM
How are SF going to keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow

So you no longer support Aontú? FF/FG is the way to go?

Sticking with one party religiously despite any misgivings isn't a good thing. You should be prepared to move your vote.
Indeed. But Aontú to FFG is quite the leap so can hardly blame me for confirming that he has made such a remarkable transition.

I haven't . I'm merely pointing out how difficult it will be to convince voters when the country is doing comparatively well. Sure hadn't Joe brolly spent few days tweeting about this.
Oh I see. So how are Aountú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?
In your own time there

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 08:12:36 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 06:48:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 06:42:39 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 17, 2022, 10:11:40 PM
How are SF going to keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow

So you no longer support Aontú? FF/FG is the way to go?

Sticking with one party religiously despite any misgivings isn't a good thing. You should be prepared to move your vote.
Indeed. But Aontú to FFG is quite the leap so can hardly blame me for confirming that he has made such a remarkable transition.

I haven't . I'm merely pointing out how difficult it will be to convince voters when the country is doing comparatively well. Sure hadn't Joe brolly spent few days tweeting about this.
Oh I see. So how are Aountú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?
In your own time there

I couldn't figure out what you were saying ,not unusual with you

Snapchap

Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.

So f** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Hospitals aren't just emergency departments. This is the misunderstanding that people have and politicians have a duty to explain that to their communities.

So that's a yes? F** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

No it's not. But if a proper health service was delivered people can access the APPROPRIATE CARE at the right time including emergencies. Having a part staffed hospital in rural Fermanagh because it gets votes for Michelle Gildernew is not the way to do that. Surely you understand that. And once again not everyone needs to access a hospital within a "golden hour"
Would you like to live up to an hour an a half away from emergency care if you or a loved one, God forbid, took a stroke? Why should a full county of people have to live with that reality?

Snapchap

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 08:12:36 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 06:48:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 06:42:39 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 17, 2022, 10:11:40 PM
How are SF going to keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow

So you no longer support Aontú? FF/FG is the way to go?

Sticking with one party religiously despite any misgivings isn't a good thing. You should be prepared to move your vote.
Indeed. But Aontú to FFG is quite the leap so can hardly blame me for confirming that he has made such a remarkable transition.

I haven't . I'm merely pointing out how difficult it will be to convince voters when the country is doing comparatively well. Sure hadn't Joe brolly spent few days tweeting about this.
Oh I see. So how are Aountú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?
In your own time there

I couldn't figure out what you were saying ,not unusual with you
You see, all I did was take your exact question and replace the words 'Sinn Féin' with Aontú. So hopefully that clarifies it for you and we can try again:

How are Aontú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 08:12:36 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 06:48:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 06:42:39 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 17, 2022, 10:11:40 PM
How are SF going to keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow

So you no longer support Aontú? FF/FG is the way to go?

Sticking with one party religiously despite any misgivings isn't a good thing. You should be prepared to move your vote.
Indeed. But Aontú to FFG is quite the leap so can hardly blame me for confirming that he has made such a remarkable transition.

I haven't . I'm merely pointing out how difficult it will be to convince voters when the country is doing comparatively well. Sure hadn't Joe brolly spent few days tweeting about this.
Oh I see. So how are Aountú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?
In your own time there

I couldn't figure out what you were saying ,not unusual with you
You see, all I did was take your exact question and replace the words 'Sinn Féin' with Aontú. So hopefully that clarifies it for you and we can try again:

How are Aontú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?

Ah seen what you did there, amazing

Snapchap

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 03:38:12 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:03:45 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 18, 2022, 08:12:36 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 06:48:35 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 06:42:39 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 17, 2022, 10:11:40 PM
How are SF going to keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow

So you no longer support Aontú? FF/FG is the way to go?

Sticking with one party religiously despite any misgivings isn't a good thing. You should be prepared to move your vote.
Indeed. But Aontú to FFG is quite the leap so can hardly blame me for confirming that he has made such a remarkable transition.

I haven't . I'm merely pointing out how difficult it will be to convince voters when the country is doing comparatively well. Sure hadn't Joe brolly spent few days tweeting about this.
Oh I see. So how are Aountú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?
In your own time there

I couldn't figure out what you were saying ,not unusual with you
You see, all I did was take your exact question and replace the words 'Sinn Féin' with Aontú. So hopefully that clarifies it for you and we can try again:

How are Aontú going to "keep up the pretence that FF /FG are killing the country as the Irish economy continues to grow"?

Ah seen what you did there, amazing

And you won't answer. Amazing.

trailer

Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.

So f** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Hospitals aren't just emergency departments. This is the misunderstanding that people have and politicians have a duty to explain that to their communities.

So that's a yes? F** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

No it's not. But if a proper health service was delivered people can access the APPROPRIATE CARE at the right time including emergencies. Having a part staffed hospital in rural Fermanagh because it gets votes for Michelle Gildernew is not the way to do that. Surely you understand that. And once again not everyone needs to access a hospital within a "golden hour"
Would you like to live up to an hour an a half away from emergency care if you or a loved one, God forbid, took a stroke? Why should a full county of people have to live with that reality?

Coming from your stance of supporting a violent armed campaign do you think everyone needs emergency care within one hour of their house because they might be shot or blown up?
In a peaceful society the reality is different.

I'm not sure if you understand this point but I will say it again. Not everyone who engages with hospital services is an emergency. In fact emergencies are a very small part of the service a hospital provides.
I cannot make it any clearer

Snapchap

Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.

So f** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Hospitals aren't just emergency departments. This is the misunderstanding that people have and politicians have a duty to explain that to their communities.

So that's a yes? F** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

No it's not. But if a proper health service was delivered people can access the APPROPRIATE CARE at the right time including emergencies. Having a part staffed hospital in rural Fermanagh because it gets votes for Michelle Gildernew is not the way to do that. Surely you understand that. And once again not everyone needs to access a hospital within a "golden hour"
Would you like to live up to an hour an a half away from emergency care if you or a loved one, God forbid, took a stroke? Why should a full county of people have to live with that reality?

Coming from your stance of supporting a violent armed campaign do you think everyone needs emergency care within one hour of their house because they might be shot or blown up?
In a peaceful society the reality is different.

I'm not sure if you understand this point but I will say it again. Not everyone who engages with hospital services is an emergency. In fact emergencies are a very small part of the service a hospital provides.
I cannot make it any clearer

Oh FFS that's as pathetic a reply as ever I've seen on here.

Armagh18

Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 07:14:42 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 18, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on November 18, 2022, 10:55:35 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 18, 2022, 10:16:36 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Needs to be a hospital in that part of the country! Health service top to bottom is a disgrace

There is one. Altnagelvin. Fermanagh does not have the population to staff the SWAH.

So f** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

Hospitals aren't just emergency departments. This is the misunderstanding that people have and politicians have a duty to explain that to their communities.

So that's a yes? F** all those from Tyrone & Fermanagh who live well outside the 'golden hour' away from Altnagelvin?

No it's not. But if a proper health service was delivered people can access the APPROPRIATE CARE at the right time including emergencies. Having a part staffed hospital in rural Fermanagh because it gets votes for Michelle Gildernew is not the way to do that. Surely you understand that. And once again not everyone needs to access a hospital within a "golden hour"
Would you like to live up to an hour an a half away from emergency care if you or a loved one, God forbid, took a stroke? Why should a full county of people have to live with that reality?

Coming from your stance of supporting a violent armed campaign do you think everyone needs emergency care within one hour of their house because they might be shot or blown up?
In a peaceful society the reality is different.

I'm not sure if you understand this point but I will say it again. Not everyone who engages with hospital services is an emergency. In fact emergencies are a very small part of the service a hospital provides.
I cannot make it any clearer
Get help. Christ almighty what a post