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« Reply #23385 on: September 21, 2022, 09:48:40 PM »
I’ll leave it to the legal minds but this NY AG press conference doesn’t seem good for the ex-President
Initial thoughts

Real estate guys inflating property values for lending purposes and deflating them for tax purposes-it’s been happening since the Stone Age

How many other real estate developers are currently being investigated for similar “crimes” or is Trump the only one?

These financial institutions have experts-highly educated, highly paid and experienced-who determine what the valuations are. They don’t just take Trumps word for what a building or property is worth.

I think the tax aspect is probably more worrisome but if people are thinking this will finish him off-I wouldn’t hold my breath

Will trump go down the same way as Al Capone, another American criminal who was eventually imprisoned for tax evasion.

In the same way that lenders have experts who value properties, states, cities and towns have similar experts called assessors

Were these various real estate assessors across numerous municipalities in kahoots with Trump and actively committing fraud to give him lower assessments so he could pay less taxes:, I highly doubt it

IMHO Trump chanced his arm and seems to have gotten  away with it (up until now), and either the assessors  were grossly incompetent or they were working alongside him. I think this will be very hard to prosecute

Didn’t he actually brag at a debate about using every loophole known to mankind to lower his taxes
all civil actions, why  no felonies if so bad ?

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« Reply #23386 on: September 21, 2022, 11:46:54 PM »
I read that the QAnon Republican Party presidential candidate Trump called the NY AG, Letitia James, "a racist". There's no bottom to this person's peculiar pit of depravity.

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« Reply #23387 on: September 22, 2022, 01:29:08 AM »
I’ll leave it to the legal minds but this NY AG press conference doesn’t seem good for the ex-President
Initial thoughts

Real estate guys inflating property values for lending purposes and deflating them for tax purposes-it’s been happening since the Stone Age

How many other real estate developers are currently being investigated for similar “crimes” or is Trump the only one?

These financial institutions have experts-highly educated, highly paid and experienced-who determine what the valuations are. They don’t just take Trumps word for what a building or property is worth.

I think the tax aspect is probably more worrisome but if people are thinking this will finish him off-I wouldn’t hold my breath

Will trump go down the same way as Al Capone, another American criminal who was eventually imprisoned for tax evasion.

In the same way that lenders have experts who value properties, states, cities and towns have similar experts called assessors

Were these various real estate assessors across numerous municipalities in kahoots with Trump and actively committing fraud to give him lower assessments so he could pay less taxes:, I highly doubt it

IMHO Trump chanced his arm and seems to have gotten  away with it (up until now), and either the assessors  were grossly incompetent or they were working alongside him. I think this will be very hard to prosecute

Didn’t he actually brag at a debate about using every loophole known to mankind to lower his taxes
all civil actions, why  no felonies if so bad ?

One thing at a time. Those might come as they’re currently under investigation. James made a referral to the US Attorneys office too.

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« Reply #23388 on: September 22, 2022, 01:31:26 AM »
I read that the QAnon Republican Party presidential candidate Trump called the NY AG, Letitia James, "a racist". There's no bottom to this person's peculiar pit of depravity.

There isn’t.

Is the weekend’s full embrace of QAnon a sign of him getting worried?

Maybe DeSantis is stealing his thunder in appealing to the basest instincts of certain sections of the US electorate.

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« Reply #23389 on: September 22, 2022, 01:40:04 AM »
I’ll leave it to the legal minds but this NY AG press conference doesn’t seem good for the ex President
Initial thoughts

Real estate guys inflating property values for lending purposes and deflating them for tax purposes-it’s been happening since the Stone Age

How many other real estate developers are currently being investigated for similar “crimes” or is Trump the only one?[\b]


As I said last time you made this point:

How many of those other real estate developers were investigated by Congress where evidence of potential serious fraud was presented by their former right hand man/fixer, and had their accounting firm disavow a decade of financial statements?

Do you think those types of revelations should just be allowed to fade away into the night, especially when the President in question point blank refuses to lift the lid on his finances like every other president (and candidate) of either party in recent history?

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« Reply #23390 on: September 22, 2022, 02:17:28 AM »
I’ll leave it to the legal minds but this NY AG press conference doesn’t seem good for the ex President
Initial thoughts

Real estate guys inflating property values for lending purposes and deflating them for tax purposes-it’s been happening since the Stone Age

How many other real estate developers are currently being investigated for similar “crimes” or is Trump the only one?[\b]


As I said last time you made this point:

How many of those other real estate developers were investigated by Congress where evidence of potential serious fraud was presented by their former right hand man/fixer, and had their accounting firm disavow a decade of financial statements?

Do you think those types of revelations should just be allowed to fade away into the night, especially when the President in question point blank refuses to lift the lid on his finances like every other president (and candidate) of either party in recent history?

I don’t know and really don’t care….the bottom line is if he broke the law he should be prosecuted

But what I do know is that Letisha James said in her campaign launch that she was going to get Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/nyregion/tish-james-attorney-general-trump.html

Even The NY Times questioned the wisdom of her actions

What would you think of a Republican AG who campaigns in the state of Delaware, that if elected his/her number one goal is to make Joe and Hunter Biden her number one target

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/21/james-lawsuit-trump-longstanding-battle-00058128

“During that campaign, she made it clear that Trump would be her top target — remarks that have left the former president, a New York native, stewing ever since.“
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« Reply #23391 on: September 22, 2022, 09:23:28 AM »
I would think that if there is legitimate cause to investigate as there is with Trump, then it should be done, regardless of who it is.


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« Reply #23392 on: September 22, 2022, 11:18:59 AM »
I would think that if there is legitimate cause to investigate as there is with Trump, then it should be done, regardless of who it is.

It’s clearer than EVER now that Trump’s 4 years in office wasn’t a presidency, it was a crime spree orchestrated by a lifelong conman and enabled by nearly the entire Republican Party. Once Trump is thrown in prison, every single Republican coconspirator must be held accountable.

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« Reply #23393 on: September 22, 2022, 12:08:13 PM »
I would think that if there is legitimate cause to investigate as there is with Trump, then it should be done, regardless of who it is.

Correct

But did she target him because he did wrong or did she target him because of who he is

He is far from the biggest real estate developer in NY

Has she investigated others for similar fraud or is this a one off

Is this is a one off, that should terrify everyone-R or D, that an attorney general can weaponize their office to target political foes

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« Reply #23394 on: September 22, 2022, 03:20:47 PM »
I would think that if there is legitimate cause to investigate as there is with Trump, then it should be done, regardless of who it is.

Correct

But did she target him because he did wrong or did she target him because of who he is

He is far from the biggest real estate developer in NY

Has she investigated others for similar fraud or is this a one off

Is this is a one off, that should terrify everyone-R or D, that an attorney general can weaponize their office to target political foes
she’s on tape before she was elected saying we need to get rid of this illegitimate president
Denying a democratically elected president is grounds for a prison term under current administration

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« Reply #23395 on: September 22, 2022, 03:24:53 PM »
I would think that if there is legitimate cause to investigate as there is with Trump, then it should be done, regardless of who it is.

Correct

But did she target him because he did wrong or did she target him because of who he is

He is far from the biggest real estate developer in NY

Has she investigated others for similar fraud or is this a one off

Is this is a one off, that should terrify everyone-R or D, that an attorney general can weaponize their office to target political foes

Does it matter? Surely the evidence will decide if he's done wrong.

How many times was Hillary investigated and then cleared due to political motivation? The GOP have made a rod for their own back with this kind of behaviour!

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« Reply #23396 on: September 22, 2022, 03:32:20 PM »
I would think that if there is legitimate cause to investigate as there is with Trump, then it should be done, regardless of who it is.

Correct

But did she target him because he did wrong or did she target him because of who he is

He is far from the biggest real estate developer in NY

Has she investigated others for similar fraud or is this a one off

Is this is a one off, that should terrify everyone-R or D, that an attorney general can weaponize their office to target political foes

Does it matter? Surely the evidence will decide if he's done wrong.

How many times was Hillary investigated and then cleared due to political motivation? The GOP have made a rod for their own back with this kind of behaviour!

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How many state AGs brought civil cases against Hillary?

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« Reply #23397 on: September 22, 2022, 04:04:53 PM »
Did the actual AG not complete a fairly exhaustive look into the Clinton Foundation only to find nothing?

Surely the State AG has found something on Trump and is bringing it to court??

Is there a huge difference?

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« Reply #23398 on: September 22, 2022, 04:08:08 PM »
Did the actual AG not complete a fairly exhaustive look into the Clinton Foundation only to find nothing?

Surely the State AG has found something on Trump and is bringing it to court??

Is there a huge difference?

So following this logic a local state (Republican) AG should now reopen that investigation, and pursue civil charges against the Clinton’s  (interesting)
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« Reply #23399 on: September 22, 2022, 04:19:59 PM »
Did the actual AG not complete a fairly exhaustive look into the Clinton Foundation only to find nothing?

Surely the State AG has found something on Trump and is bringing it to court??

Is there a huge difference?

So following that logic a local state (Republican) AG should now reopen that investigation and pursue civil charges (interesting)

Why would the investigation be reopened if it didn't find anything?

From my reading of it James has been investigating this for 3 years and is bringing charges based on what has been found?