26 County General Election 2020

[Snapchap]

Didn't see that but the FG/Labour Government 1973 -77 didn't plant the  Dublin/Monaghan Bombs or murder poor  Mary Boyle.

They did however do everything in their power to withhold the truth from the victims families and to cover up/hinder/block any attempt at a genuine investigation.

[Snapchap]

My initial reply to you suggested that you were contesting the notion that the state helped cover up the Dublin/Monaghan bombings. You retorted with a sarcastic reply making it clear that you "never made that argument or anything like it". So then based on your denial, when I say I assume then you obviously do then accept there was a cover up, you're still suggesting that is a "false premise". Make up your mind. Was there a state cover up in your eyes or was there not?

Neither sarcastic nor a denial, but factual comment in both instances. See what I mean about false premises. As previously, I won't be debating with you so please go troll someone else.

Your reply was neither sarcastic nor a denial? Really? See your entire reply below.

I never made that argument.  Or anything like it.

Looks a lot like a denial to me.

You can read as easily as anyone else. Try it.

Looks a lot like sarcasm to me.


Stop being a coward. If you are happy to throw out B.S. claims about the media's interest in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings, don't slither away when someone calls you out on it. YOU directly stated that there was "massive publicity, media coverage and investigation" by Irish journalists into the Dublin/Monaghan bombing. Why then did it take an English media outlet to do what the Irish media failed to do for almost 20 years after the bombings?

[Rossfan]

Didn't see that but the FG/Labour Government 1973 -77 didnt plant the  Dublin/Monaghan Bombs or murder poor  Mary Boyle.
Anyway SF or FF or FG won't be able to form a Government so some 2 of them will have to come together in the end if we're to avoid another election.

Would another election be such a bad thing.  There's been an obvious swing to the left in recent election ... SF didnt run enough candidates .... if they had they'd have been on 47 or 48 seats now and much closer to government formation .... surely there's a case for letting that swing to the left to be fully heard.

Looking at SFs votes in the different constituencies-theyd be nailed on to take 3 more, probably win 4 or 5 others, possibility in 3 more.
However they'd take those off other lefties and might lose out with splitting their vote.
I suspect some of their new 14% will be already put off by the antics of Cullinane and Ellis and the general tricolour disrespect.

[tiempo]

Didn't see that but the FG/Labour Government 1973 -77 didnt plant the  Dublin/Monaghan Bombs or murder poor  Mary Boyle.
Anyway SF or FF or FG won't be able to form a Government so some 2 of them will have to come together in the end if we're to avoid another election.

Would another election be such a bad thing.  There's been an obvious swing to the left in recent election ... SF didnt run enough candidates .... if they had they'd have been on 47 or 48 seats now and much closer to government formation .... surely there's a case for letting that swing to the left to be fully heard.

Looking at SFs votes in the different constituencies-theyd be nailed on to take 3 more, probably win 4 or 5 others, possibility in 3 more.
However they'd take those off other lefties and might lose out with splitting their vote.
I suspect some of their new 14% will be already put off by the antics of Cullinane and Ellis and the general tricolour disrespect.

Way back to the shires discontented quisling.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2020/0217/1115851-cork-gaa-jersey-to-commemorate-maccurtain-and-mcswiney/

[Applesisapples]

If anybody needs any reminding why a large proportion of the population still have an issue with sinn fein being involved in government then they should watch Lost Lives which was on BBC1NI last night.

Lazy analysis, did the IRA kill innocent people, undoubtedly, but then look at the history of the NI state. When did the violence and insurrection of the '20's become acceptable. There is blood on many hands including Unionist/loyalist, Republicans and the British State. The Irish state could also be arguably guilty of the sin of omission, and that is before we get into the scandal and corruption. So whilst SF undoubtedly have a past they can only be part of the future of this island. It was exclusionary politics that led to partition and all that followed. Memories have a habit of being selective.

[highorlow]

Would another election be such a bad thing.  There's been an obvious swing to the left in recent election ... SF didnt run enough candidates .... if they had they'd have been on 47 or 48 seats now and much closer to government formation .... surely there's a case for letting that swing to the left to be fully heard.

Not so sure that would be the case, even if it was it would be to the detriment of the PBP and SocDems.

[Denn Forever]

also might harm SF.  Previous first time voters might not do so again.  Protest vote didn't change much.

[Main Street]

If anybody needs any reminding why a large proportion of the population still have an issue with sinn fein being involved in government then they should watch Lost Lives which was on BBC1NI last night.

Lazy analysis, did the IRA kill innocent people, undoubtedly, but then look at the history of the NI state. When did the violence and insurrection of the '20's become acceptable. There is blood on many hands including Unionist/loyalist, Republicans and the British State. The Irish state could also be arguably guilty of the sin of omission, and that is before we get into the scandal and corruption. So whilst SF undoubtedly have a past they can only be part of the future of this island. It was exclusionary politics that led to partition and all that followed. Memories have a habit of being selective.

The most notable change in 26 co society that the election campaign highlighted, is that the collective desperate attempt to blacken Sinn Fein with the usual propoganda had not only no effect but rebounded against FF  & FG. 
This is a non-reversible shift.

[Rossfan]

Sure maybe SF would have got 30% if Mrs Quinn hadn't raised the savage murder of her son??

[mouview]

If anybody needs any reminding why a large proportion of the population still have an issue with sinn fein being involved in government then they should watch Lost Lives which was on BBC1NI last night.

Lazy analysis, did the IRA kill innocent people, undoubtedly, but then look at the history of the NI state. When did the violence and insurrection of the '20's become acceptable. There is blood on many hands including Unionist/loyalist, Republicans and the British State. The Irish state could also be arguably guilty of the sin of omission, and that is before we get into the scandal and corruption. So whilst SF undoubtedly have a past they can only be part of the future of this island. It was exclusionary politics that led to partition and all that followed. Memories have a habit of being selective.

The most notable change in 26 co society that the election campaign highlighted, is that the collective desperate attempt to blacken Sinn Fein with the usual propoganda had not only no effect but rebounded against FF  & FG.
This is a non-reversible shift.

No, that's David Cullinane's job.

[Rossfan]

 

[Main Street]

Sure maybe SF would have got 30% if Mrs Quinn hadn't raised the savage murder of her son??

SF  actual vote was consistent with the polls. The  frantic collective hysteria against Sinn Fein had not only zero negative effect on their votes but had an added bonus of reducing the transfers to FF.  i suspect FG can recover their lost ground, the reactive conservative electorate, but FF are on a downward spiral as  their electorate are now a dying breed.

[TyroneOnlooker]

If anybody needs any reminding why a large proportion of the population still have an issue with sinn fein being involved in government then they should watch Lost Lives which was on BBC1NI last night.

Lazy analysis, did the IRA kill innocent people, undoubtedly, but then look at the history of the NI state. When did the violence and insurrection of the '20's become acceptable. There is blood on many hands including Unionist/loyalist, Republicans and the British State. The Irish state could also be arguably guilty of the sin of omission, and that is before we get into the scandal and corruption. So whilst SF undoubtedly have a past they can only be part of the future of this island. It was exclusionary politics that led to partition and all that followed. Memories have a habit of being selective.

And this is why I tend not to comment on political threads....the point I am making is that many people in the south of a certain age will undoubtedly feel uneasy in voting for SF or seeing them in govt given their links to those awful awful days not that long ago. For some that cannot be forgotten or forgiven.

[five points]

i suspect FG can recover their lost ground, the reactive conservative electorate, but FF are on a downward spiral as  their electorate are now a dying breed.

FG spent the last decade taking a massive dump on its own conservative wing.  It ain't returning any time soon.

[manfromdelmonte]

If anybody needs any reminding why a large proportion of the population still have an issue with sinn fein being involved in government then they should watch Lost Lives which was on BBC1NI last night.

Lazy analysis, did the IRA kill innocent people, undoubtedly, but then look at the history of the NI state. When did the violence and insurrection of the '20's become acceptable. There is blood on many hands including Unionist/loyalist, Republicans and the British State. The Irish state could also be arguably guilty of the sin of omission, and that is before we get into the scandal and corruption. So whilst SF undoubtedly have a past they can only be part of the future of this island. It was exclusionary politics that led to partition and all that followed. Memories have a habit of being selective.

The most notable change in 26 co society that the election campaign highlighted, is that the collective desperate attempt to blacken Sinn Fein with the usual propoganda had not only no effect but rebounded against FF  & FG. 
This is a non-reversible shift.

Er, no.
People wanted a change and SF got a large youth vote. that vote is very fickle. Where was that vote last year for the local and european elections?

They'll migrate again once they realise unicorn policies don't work and none of the extra consultants or doctors will come back to work in the health service because they will be paying higher levels of tax here under SF, and added to that the US multinationals start leaving or downsizing due to hikes to the tax rates (which I think should be inched upwards - a proper republic shouldn't be giving sweetheart deals to multi billion euro companies) plus we don't have the builders or construction sector capacity to start building masses of social housing/accommodation. A large majority of which needs to be located in town and city centres as the urban sprawl that has been accelerating over the past 2 decades cannot continue, and people want/need to live in urban areas