Syria

[sid waddell]

Sid, although Russia is clearly a player in Syria, this thread is entitled "Syria". It was resurrected today and in two hours you've posted sevn posts and mentioned Russia nine times despite nobody else mentioning Russia, except in response to you.

There's little need for this thread to be turned into a You v Russia thread. There are others out there. It's clear; Russia can't be defended without whataboutery being used. Understood.

Does anyone, including Sid, have any reason or logic to believe why Assad would have committed this crime (without mentioning Russia)? Does anyone have any evidence that the crime happened? In the latter case, I've read reports that doctors reported casualties suffering from symptoms likely caused by a chemical attack. Conversely, I've read reports that hospitals have received no patients with these symptoms. Which should I believe and why?

Additionally, if Assad is 100% guilty of this alleged crime, does anyone think they should be attacked and to what end?

Russia gets mentioned because they are inextricably linked to the situation in Syria - Assad is their puppet. If you want to airbrush this fact, fire ahead by all means but don't expect your view to be taken seriously, especially when your contributions to anything involving Russia appear to be nothing more than to parrot whatever line the Russian government is taking, as you do again here.

Barbarity and forced ethnic cleansing is all the logic Assad and his Russian paymasters need for an attack such as this, especially after Trump said he wanted US troops out of Syria.

Last year there was a similar chemical attack after Trump said the US was not interested in ousting Assad.

The OPCW and the UN concluded that Assad was behind that attack.

But sure, far better to listen to RT and other shameless Russian propaganda.

I have to hand it to you Sid, you're one in a million. I kind of knew after my post that I shouldn't have bothered. We live and learn I guess.

Just one thing, if only because I actually do like to hear differing views on things, regardless of how rigid they are; could you explain the logic, if there is any, about the bit in bold above? See if you can do it without using the R word. 

You probably shouldn't have bothered, because you're not contributing anything except the Russian propaganda line.

And again, you don't get to decide what gets discussed merely because you've decided to assume to role play an RT presenter.

There's a piece of basic logic you're missing here: when your "enemy" shows weakness, that's when you attack.

But Trump is a stooge.

Putin and Assad are playing him like a fiddle. So are the neo-cons.

Trump doesn't know whether he's coming or going. On the one hand he has to appease his Russian paymasters, yet on the other, he has to appease the neo-con nut jobs. He's an unpredictable idiot who, like a 12 year old, is ruled by his moods.

Now, why does Russia flat out deny that a chemical attack took place?

Is Assad engaging in barbarity and ethnic cleansing?

Are the Russians helping him in this?

If you could answer those questions, that would be great.

[Esmarelda]

Sid, although Russia is clearly a player in Syria, this thread is entitled "Syria". It was resurrected today and in two hours you've posted sevn posts and mentioned Russia nine times despite nobody else mentioning Russia, except in response to you.

There's little need for this thread to be turned into a You v Russia thread. There are others out there. It's clear; Russia can't be defended without whataboutery being used. Understood.

Does anyone, including Sid, have any reason or logic to believe why Assad would have committed this crime (without mentioning Russia)? Does anyone have any evidence that the crime happened? In the latter case, I've read reports that doctors reported casualties suffering from symptoms likely caused by a chemical attack. Conversely, I've read reports that hospitals have received no patients with these symptoms. Which should I believe and why?

Additionally, if Assad is 100% guilty of this alleged crime, does anyone think they should be attacked and to what end?

Russia gets mentioned because they are inextricably linked to the situation in Syria - Assad is their puppet. If you want to airbrush this fact, fire ahead by all means but don't expect your view to be taken seriously, especially when your contributions to anything involving Russia appear to be nothing more than to parrot whatever line the Russian government is taking, as you do again here.

Barbarity and forced ethnic cleansing is all the logic Assad and his Russian paymasters need for an attack such as this, especially after Trump said he wanted US troops out of Syria.

Last year there was a similar chemical attack after Trump said the US was not interested in ousting Assad.

The OPCW and the UN concluded that Assad was behind that attack.

But sure, far better to listen to RT and other shameless Russian propaganda.

I have to hand it to you Sid, you're one in a million. I kind of knew after my post that I shouldn't have bothered. We live and learn I guess.

Just one thing, if only because I actually do like to hear differing views on things, regardless of how rigid they are; could you explain the logic, if there is any, about the bit in bold above? See if you can do it without using the R word. 

You probably shouldn't have bothered, because you're not contributing anything except the Russian propaganda line.

And again, you don't get to decide what gets discussed merely because you've decided to assume to role play an RT presenter.

There's a piece of basic logic you're missing here: when your "enemy" shows weakness, that's when you attack.

But Trump is a stooge.

Putin and Assad are playing him like a fiddle. So are the neo-cons.

Trump doesn't know whether he's coming or going. On the one hand he has to appease his Russian paymasters, yet on the other, he has to appease the neo-con nut jobs. He's an unpredictable idiot who, like a 12 year old, is ruled by his moods.

Now, why does Russia flat out deny that a chemical attack took place?

Is Assad engaging in barbarity and ethnic cleansing?

Are the Russians helping him in this?

If you could answer those questions, that would be great.

I didn't say I decided anything. I suggested that this thread shouldn't turn into a you v Russia thread. You seem to have a serious issue reading what's in front of you, but little issue with interpreting it to suit your views which are 100% immovable. I regret posting because I knew this already, but we all have our weaknesses. Post what you want to your heart's content. Copy and paste is useful though.

So your theory is that Assad carried out the chemical attack because of the "basic logic"of attack when your enemy is weak? Do you apply that across the board or just when it suits? I mean because you believe in this logic, does that mean that there is 100% no other reason, such as the reason being suggested of a false flag? You're sure? If Putin wasn't suggesting it, maybe you'd give it a small chance of being possible?

And here's the really easy bit, answering your questions:

Now, why does Russia flat out deny that a chemical attack took place? I don't know. Maybe because the believe it didn't. Maybe they're murdering b**tards. How would I know?

Is Assad engaging in barbarity and ethnic cleansing? No idea. What ethnicity do you think he's cleansing?

Are the Russians helping him in this? They're certainly helping him, you'd have to refer to my previous answer.

[sid waddell]

Is Assad engaging in barbarity and ethnic cleansing? No idea.

I'll just leave that there.

No more needs to be said about your agenda.

[Esmarelda]

Is Assad engaging in barbarity and ethnic cleansing? No idea.

I'll just leave that there.

No more needs to be said about your agenda.

Classic stuff. Someone doesn't know something and they have an agenda. And of course you didn't answer who it was he was cleansing. Let me know when you make it back from Syria with the evidence. Actually, don't.

[sid waddell]

Is Assad engaging in barbarity and ethnic cleansing? No idea.

I'll just leave that there.

No more needs to be said about your agenda.

Classic stuff. Someone doesn't know something and they have an agenda. And of course you didn't answer who it was he was cleansing. Let me know when you make it back from Syria with the evidence. Actually, don't.

You're a comedy act.

Let me guess, you read Eva Bartlett? 

[johnnycool]

Press reporting some form of "strikes" in Syria this weekend.

With the Russians intermingled with the Syrians and allegedly Syria having a "first world" aerial defence shield in place this could all kick off.

Thankfully Trump is too embroiled in allegations of paying off porn stars to give it his full attention................

[LeoMc]

Reports coming out of Syria that Russia has offered to remove Hezbollah and all Iranian mercenaries out of Syria if the US holds off on bombing.

Not sure what Russia would gain from weakening Assads forces (if they did actually do as they are offering) except perhaps time.

[johnnycool]

Joint US, UK and French air attacks last night it seems, Syria already saying a lot of the missiles shot down.

What happens next, who knows!!!!

[brokencrossbar1]

And so it starts.....

[trileacman]

And so it starts.....

Nothing starts, nothing happens next and nothing changes. A token response from the West who haven't the balls to challenge Assad, Iran of Russia.

[seafoid]

And so it starts.....

Nothing starts, nothing happens next and nothing changes. A token response from the West who haven't the balls to challenge Assad, Iran of Russia.

Amy Siskind

@Amy_Siskind

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6h

If Trump genuinely cared about the civilians dying in Syria, he would allow refugees into our country. Instead he cut Obama's 110k cap to 44k and has actually let in just 10k total refugees.

[seafoid]

The war is more or less over. The regime dropped chemical weapons and the rebels were bussed out a short while later. The Russians know Trump will not do anything significant.

Iran now controls Iraq and Syria.
American power is fading.  Trump is the piss take icing on top.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Former commander of British military in Iraq calling into question the chemical attacks on sky news (till they abruptly cut him off).

https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/984789066569998338

[give her dixie]

Not only were Israel central to last nights attacks on Syria, but it seems they have hit an Iranian base in Syria a short time ago....

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-trump-adviser-bolton-coordinated-u-s-led-strike-in-syria-with-israel-1.5995946

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Independent journalist Robert Fisk in Douma shares his doubts about the gas attack.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html