All Ireland Quarter Final;Roscommon v Mayo Sunday July 30th

[Ball Hopper]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

You seem to be changing what a serious contender is. Tyrone are in the last 4 for the second time in 3 years. Results would suggest there is very little between Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone but Dublin are a step above the other 3.

Is there only one contender or is your logic flawed?

[Ball Hopper]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

You seem to be changing what a serious contender is. Tyrone are in the last 4 for the second time in 3 years. Results would suggest there is very little between Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone but Dublin are a step above the other 3.

Is there only one contender or is your logic flawed?

I submit that Tyrone 2017 is superior to Tyrone 2015.  Until they beat one of the other contenders (Mayo or Kerry) or put it up to Dublin (get within a score of them), then they are not yet contenders.  They can change all that on Aug 27. 

Or wait until 2018 if they lose by 10.  FWIW, I give them a great chance to not only run Dublin close, but to win.

[seafoid]

Tyrone won 2 quarter finals.  Jesus H Christ. They are obviously the Real Madrid of gaelic football. What was I thinking of? Winning isnt where it is at.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

You seem to be changing what a serious contender is. Tyrone are in the last 4 for the second time in 3 years. Results would suggest there is very little between Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone but Dublin are a step above the other 3.

Is there only one contender or is your logic flawed?

I submit that Tyrone 2017 is superior to Tyrone 2015.  Until they beat one of the other contenders (Mayo or Kerry) or put it up to Dublin (get within a score of them), then they are not yet contenders.  They can change all that on Aug 27. 

Or wait until 2018 if they lose by 10.  FWIW, I give them a great chance to not only run Dublin close, but to win.

Mayo haven't beaten one of the big contenders. They've drawn and lost to Kerry and Dublin.

Kerry have a AET victory in a replay over Mayo as their sole win. They've lost to Dublin by 7, 3 and 2 points respectively in 3 attempts.

Your logic is a bit flawed and it would point to there being only one contender.

Dublin are the top 1, there's not a lot to suggest there's much between Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone won 2 quarter finals.  Jesus H Christ. They are obviously the Real Madrid of gaelic football. What was I thinking of? Winning isnt where it is at.

We'd need to get the abacus out to count how many more Championship football games Tyrone have won than Galway at Croke Park in the past 16 years.

A bit of introspection wouldn't go amiss from yourself.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Galway's Championship record at Croke Park since 2002:

2002 - Kerry (L)
2003 - Donegal (L)
2004 - Tyrone (L)
2005 - Cork (L)
2008 - Kerry (L)
2013 - Cork (L)
2014 - Kerry (L)
2015 - Donegal (L)
2016 - Tipperary (L)
2017 - Kerry (L)

10 straight Championship defeats at Croke Park? Some sort of record surely?

[seafoid]

Tyrone won 2 quarter finals.  Jesus H Christ. They are obviously the Real Madrid of gaelic football. What was I thinking of? Winning isnt where it is at.

We'd need to get the abacus out to count how many more Championship football games Tyrone have won than Galway at Croke Park in the past 16 years.

A bit of introspection wouldn't go amiss from yourself.

While you are at it, you can count all Irelands. 16 years is very arbitrary
Tyrone haven't done anything yet

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone won 2 quarter finals.  Jesus H Christ. They are obviously the Real Madrid of gaelic football. What was I thinking of? Winning isnt where it is at.

We'd need to get the abacus out to count how many more Championship football games Tyrone have won than Galway at Croke Park in the past 16 years.

A bit of introspection wouldn't go amiss from yourself.

While you are at it, you can count all Irelands. 16 years is very arbitrary
Tyrone haven't done anything yet

Whatever makes you feel better about Galway losing 10 straight Championship games at Croke Park.

[Ball Hopper]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

You seem to be changing what a serious contender is. Tyrone are in the last 4 for the second time in 3 years. Results would suggest there is very little between Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone but Dublin are a step above the other 3.

Is there only one contender or is your logic flawed?

I submit that Tyrone 2017 is superior to Tyrone 2015.  Until they beat one of the other contenders (Mayo or Kerry) or put it up to Dublin (get within a score of them), then they are not yet contenders.  They can change all that on Aug 27. 

Or wait until 2018 if they lose by 10.  FWIW, I give them a great chance to not only run Dublin close, but to win.

Mayo haven't beaten one of the big contenders. They've drawn and lost to Kerry and Dublin.

Kerry have a AET victory in a replay over Mayo as their sole win. They've lost to Dublin by 7, 3 and 2 points respectively in 3 attempts.

Your logic is a bit flawed and it would point to there being only one contender.

Dublin are the top 1, there's not a lot to suggest there's much between Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo.

There's not a lot to suggest Tyrone belong there yet...losses to Mayo x 2 and to Kerry over the last 3 years is their record.

They can fix all that on Aug 27 and declare they belong as a contender at least.

But for the draw, how would Tyrone fare against either Mayo or Kerry in a semifinal this year?  I think Tyrone would be favourites against either.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

You seem to be changing what a serious contender is. Tyrone are in the last 4 for the second time in 3 years. Results would suggest there is very little between Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone but Dublin are a step above the other 3.

Is there only one contender or is your logic flawed?

I submit that Tyrone 2017 is superior to Tyrone 2015.  Until they beat one of the other contenders (Mayo or Kerry) or put it up to Dublin (get within a score of them), then they are not yet contenders.  They can change all that on Aug 27. 

Or wait until 2018 if they lose by 10.  FWIW, I give them a great chance to not only run Dublin close, but to win.

Mayo haven't beaten one of the big contenders. They've drawn and lost to Kerry and Dublin.

Kerry have a AET victory in a replay over Mayo as their sole win. They've lost to Dublin by 7, 3 and 2 points respectively in 3 attempts.

Your logic is a bit flawed and it would point to there being only one contender.

Dublin are the top 1, there's not a lot to suggest there's much between Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo.

There's not a lot to suggest Tyrone belong there yet...losses to Mayo x 2 and to Kerry over the last 3 years is their record.

They can fix all that on Aug 27 and declare they belong as a contender at least.

But for the draw, how would Tyrone fare against either Mayo or Kerry in a semifinal this year?  I think Tyrone would be favourites against either.

There's not a lot to suggest Kerry or Mayo belong there using your logic either.

Mayo and Kerry have both had three attempts against Dublin under Jim Gavin now and won zero.

There's a big 1 and three others who could conceivably put it up to them.

[dclane]

Any sign of Syferus?

[Ball Hopper]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

You seem to be changing what a serious contender is. Tyrone are in the last 4 for the second time in 3 years. Results would suggest there is very little between Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone but Dublin are a step above the other 3.

Is there only one contender or is your logic flawed?

I submit that Tyrone 2017 is superior to Tyrone 2015.  Until they beat one of the other contenders (Mayo or Kerry) or put it up to Dublin (get within a score of them), then they are not yet contenders.  They can change all that on Aug 27. 

Or wait until 2018 if they lose by 10.  FWIW, I give them a great chance to not only run Dublin close, but to win.

Mayo haven't beaten one of the big contenders. They've drawn and lost to Kerry and Dublin.

Kerry have a AET victory in a replay over Mayo as their sole win. They've lost to Dublin by 7, 3 and 2 points respectively in 3 attempts.

Your logic is a bit flawed and it would point to there being only one contender.

Dublin are the top 1, there's not a lot to suggest there's much between Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo.

There's not a lot to suggest Tyrone belong there yet...losses to Mayo x 2 and to Kerry over the last 3 years is their record.

They can fix all that on Aug 27 and declare they belong as a contender at least.

But for the draw, how would Tyrone fare against either Mayo or Kerry in a semifinal this year?  I think Tyrone would be favourites against either.

There's not a lot to suggest Kerry or Mayo belong there using your logic either.

Mayo and Kerry have both had three attempts against Dublin under Jim Gavin now and won zero.

There's a big 1 and three others who could conceivably put it up to them.

Mayo and Kerry have survived long enough in the championship to play Dublin...Tyrone haven't.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Tyrone will have to prove they belong in the conversation the next day out.  Seeing as the best Kerry or Mayo can do against Dublin is a draw, what chances Tyrone and Dublin draw?

In fact, what odds both semifinals go to replays?

The best Mayo have done is a draw.

The best Kerry have done is lose.

And thus far Tyrone have failed to qualify for the latter stages and be part of the discussion.  New territory for Tyrone.  Who knows how they will handle it.

We know Kerry haven't had it against the Dubs.

We know Mayo have had it but shot themselves in the foot.

We don't know whether Tyrone have it or have not.

The known against the unknown.

The only team to topple Dublin under Gavin have been an Ulster side who played a defend in numbers, counter attacking game - similar to Tyrone.

Slightly different tune to saying "Tyrone are only really serious contenders since 2015."

Tyrone have the chance to prove they belong - and I think they will take it.

Does that mean they will beat Dublin - not necessarily...but they have the chance to become serious contenders in 2017.

You seem to be changing what a serious contender is. Tyrone are in the last 4 for the second time in 3 years. Results would suggest there is very little between Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone but Dublin are a step above the other 3.

Is there only one contender or is your logic flawed?

I submit that Tyrone 2017 is superior to Tyrone 2015.  Until they beat one of the other contenders (Mayo or Kerry) or put it up to Dublin (get within a score of them), then they are not yet contenders.  They can change all that on Aug 27. 

Or wait until 2018 if they lose by 10.  FWIW, I give them a great chance to not only run Dublin close, but to win.

Mayo haven't beaten one of the big contenders. They've drawn and lost to Kerry and Dublin.

Kerry have a AET victory in a replay over Mayo as their sole win. They've lost to Dublin by 7, 3 and 2 points respectively in 3 attempts.

Your logic is a bit flawed and it would point to there being only one contender.

Dublin are the top 1, there's not a lot to suggest there's much between Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo.

There's not a lot to suggest Tyrone belong there yet...losses to Mayo x 2 and to Kerry over the last 3 years is their record.

They can fix all that on Aug 27 and declare they belong as a contender at least.

But for the draw, how would Tyrone fare against either Mayo or Kerry in a semifinal this year?  I think Tyrone would be favourites against either.

There's not a lot to suggest Kerry or Mayo belong there using your logic either.

Mayo and Kerry have both had three attempts against Dublin under Jim Gavin now and won zero.

There's a big 1 and three others who could conceivably put it up to them.

Mayo and Kerry have survived long enough in the championship to play Dublin...Tyrone haven't.

I fail to see how that makes them contenders, they have had three meetings with Dublin each and failed to win.

You seems to have problems agreeing your criteria of what is a contender or not with yourself.

[macdanger2]

Seems to be an awful lot of arguing over the positions of the also rans