UK General Election 2017

[Hardy]

Why was Corbyn painted as the devil incarnate  by the UK media? the majority of his policies seemed to be good. May always seemed to be out of her depth and her calling for this election has to go down as one of the biggest ever political errors in history

Murdoch owned press are big mates with the far right and tories. They'd gas Corbyn at auschticw as a communist if they could. The guardian and independent and other sandal wearing losers are big corbynista cheerleaders and damn nearly as repulsive as the murdochs.

P.s. Murdoch is also Australian which makes him an arrogant right wing turnip stealing  dinosaur.

On top of this there are the Blairite idiots within Labour who crave only power and thought it impossible to beat the Tories so became like them.

The establishment and especially the 1% really fear people like Corbyn and it's not because of his policies - it's because of his integrity. They know if he gets into power they won't be able to control him because he's not driven by love of fame, money or even power - he wants to make the world a better place as he sees it. Unselfishness is an alien concept to these people so they think he must be akin to a devil.

Jeremy Corbyn is far from perfect but he has reestablished policy as the central plank of your argument and advocated a really plausible alternative to the (failed) economic model of the west since Thatcher/Reagan. Who knows from here but my gut feeling is that the longer May stays the worse it is for the Tories but they're also not well blessed with alternatives. A late autumn election with all the Blairite toadies on message (necessary evil) might be the ticket.

Corbyn is a threat to the 1%. When ordinary people have had enough and have a political movement is when economic systems change.

The question looming is whether transition to an economic model that restores real jobs, reverses the erosion of real wages and rewards work with growth for people and communities, not hedge funds can be achieved without violent upheaval.

[T Fearon]

It will be the height of irony also if the DUP influence delivers the sort of soft Brexit the free state craves,but cannot deliver itself.

[Rossfan]

Have you become a fully paid up member of the Dupes Tony?




Or does your being a Taigy Fenian rule you out?

[red hander]

The DUP has undergone a process of modernisation with the Paisleyite wing having been escorted to the sidelines since Robinson gained control.Among their 10 MPs only Gregory is noted for occasional buffoonery and I suspect that is just an act and he knows where to draw the line.

If they play their cards right and achieve substantial deliveries for all here they can win more inclusive support for the Union by demonstrating economic benefits, respect and tolerance,and win the votes of many staunch Catholics who agree with their stance on moral issues..The signs are good,I don't detect any gloating (unlike SF after the Assembly elections),but instead a cautious approach and not overplaying its hand.

Get real, they were, are and continue to be a bunch of bigoted bastards, the mask will always slip because they're incapable of treating the indigenous Irish people in the six counties with equality and respect. If they prop up the Tories, they won't get away with their homophobia and racism and scandals like Red Sky, Nama and RHI once they're put under the spotlight of the Brit media... hell mend them

[T Fearon]

I have an equal disregard for all political parties,but the nonsense on this thread is unbelievable.At worst the DUP is no more tribal than SF.Also the craving for a United Ireland is beyond comprehension,as for 100 years successive Dublin Governments have shafted Northern nationalists and today Dublin is vehemently opposed to a border poll even.

If the DUP can leverage its unexpected influence with a minority Tory government for the good of all up here, (and there are no such thing as loyalist hospitals or roads),then it will have my approval if not support.

This thread shows the tribal nature of life up here,which basically overlooks real politics like jobs,education and healthcare, for policies and actions that merely wind up the other side.Hence the venom for a political party that is doing nothing more than using its votes to win concessions from a desperate partner,as all other normal political parties do when the opportunity presents itself.

[BennyCake]

I have an equal disregard for all political parties,but the nonsense on this thread is unbelievable.At worst the DUP is no more tribal than SF.Also the craving for a United Ireland is beyond comprehension,as for 100 years successive Dublin Governments have shafted Northern nationalists and today Dublin is vehemently opposed to a border poll even.

If the DUP can leverage its unexpected influence with a minority Tory government for the good of all up here, (and there are no such thing as loyalist hospitals or roads),then it will have my approval if not support.

This thread shows the tribal nature of life up here,which basically overlooks real politics like jobs,education and healthcare, for policies and actions that merely wind up the other side.Hence the venom for a political party that is doing nothing more than using its votes to win concessions from a desperate partner,as all other normal political parties do when the opportunity presents itself.

You've just summed up why I dont vote.

[Avondhu star]

No matter how much you hate the dup, you have to give it to them. They now have more power than they ever had. The way they have dodged RHI, faked their st. Andrew's commitments re. Irish act etc. The snakes have nothing to learn. How much hay can they make now?

Expect the triumphalism to reach heights not seen for a while during the marching season.

Of course the antics of the Shinners in Derry earlier today was only high jinks
Two sets of scum welcome to each other

[OgraAnDun]

May didn't visit the North pre-election, now it's their 'friends in DUP'. The DUP are being used, pawns in a game. Can't they see that? Or maybe it's just that they put up with anything as long as they're under Queen Lizard and can wrap their fleg around themselves?

The three of them at the Balmoral Show.

Feck.

I stand corrected. Hang on, that's a double. A bunch of Prod farmers though. How many Sinn Fein were there?

Anyway, the rest of what I said still applies.

You're spot on but we're all the losers - Ireland loses when Britain isn't prepared to stand up to unionism, and the DUP will lose in the long run when they're exposed to a far greater level of international scrutiny in the U.K. and further afield. I imagine it'll also galvanise the nationalist vote even further, especially if they end up as SoS for the north. Not much chance of Stormont being reinstated any time soon.

[yellowcard]

I have an equal disregard for all political parties,but the nonsense on this thread is unbelievable.At worst the DUP is no more tribal than SF.Also the craving for a United Ireland is beyond comprehension,as for 100 years successive Dublin Governments have shafted Northern nationalists and today Dublin is vehemently opposed to a border poll even.

If the DUP can leverage its unexpected influence with a minority Tory government for the good of all up here, (and there are no such thing as loyalist hospitals or roads),then it will have my approval if not support.

This thread shows the tribal nature of life up here,which basically overlooks real politics like jobs,education and healthcare, for policies and actions that merely wind up the other side.Hence the venom for a political party that is doing nothing more than using its votes to win concessions from a desperate partner,as all other normal political parties do when the opportunity presents itself.

I have to confess that this is not a post I thought I'd ever see on a GAA board and of course you are entitled to lend your support to whatever political party you wish.

However if you cannot see the bigotry that exists within the DUP then it's not even worth arguing over. Certain elements of SF can often be as triumphalist as the DUP but in terms of bigotry, no chance mate. It does sound like you are almost ashamed to be Irish at times. Well I'm not, and the craving for a United Ireland might be beyond comprehension to you, but it isn't to me and I'm sure likewise many others. It is a totally legitimate aspiration whether you like it or not. As for your assertion that the Dublin government is against a border poll, well I think most people think that it wouldn't be helpful at the minute so it's hard to disagree with that. However whether it is in 10/15/20 years time, it will happen and you will have the same democratic right as everyone else to exercise your right to remain part of the union when that arises.

[seafoid]

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[T Fearon]

Yellowcarcd,I used to think like you,but then I considered that successive Dublin governments have shafted the northern community into which I was born repeatedly,and even today it won't countenance a border poll.Furthermore the DUP is no more corrupt than the ruling parties in Dublin,and I don't even know what a Unitec Ireland would look like,particularly economically.

I have no attachment for Unionism,instead I am now convinced that there is a unique N Irish culture and way of life that is separate and distinct from both the South of Ireland and also from England,Wales and Scotland.

In short unrequited allegiance to London and Dublin,neither of whom understands nor wants us,is the thing that divides and tribalises us all,and is totally irrational.

[armaghniac]

Tony, you are full of it, as usual. The only distinctive 6 county culture is electing idiots who expect someone else to pay for everything.

SF are somewhat off the hook here, as they feel obliged to talk about a border poll, but have zero capacity to produce any sort of plan that would make such a poll a success.

The DUP have been telling everyone that the border isn't a problem and that trade will flow. Now they must deliver this and the Shinners must make sure they do.

[Owen Brannigan]

May will survive as leader of the Tories because she can point to having improved their share of the popular vote by 5.5% to 13,650,900 and 42.4% of the vote. 

She secured 13,650,900 votes and lost 12 seats to 318 compared to 13,518,167 votes achieved by Blair in his landslide election in 1997 with 418 seats.

[thewobbler]

Yellowcarcd,I used to think like you,but then I considered that successive Dublin governments have shafted the northern community into which I was born repeatedly,and even today it won't countenance a border poll.Furthermore the DUP is no more corrupt than the ruling parties in Dublin,and I don't even know what a Unitec Ireland would look like,particularly economically.

I have no attachment for Unionism,instead I am now convinced that there is a unique N Irish culture and way of life that is separate and distinct from both the South of Ireland and also from England,Wales and Scotland.

In short unrequited allegiance to London and Dublin,neither of whom understands nor wants us,is the thing that divides and tribalises us all,and is totally irrational.

I agree with Tony.

While there might be an underlying bigotry in the DUP, they sensationalise it for their own selfish needs. In an economy as abject as Northern Ireland, being a politician, with its brown envelopes, generous expenses, guaranteed suite of NED positions, and some feeling of power, is actually an enviable job, one worth keeping. Being openly bigoted and tribalised continues to prove to be the most effective way of getting elected.

And it will continue to be that way until the majority population of NI is willing to focus on real political and economical issues, and leave tribalism behind.

They reflect us. Not the other way around.

Hateful **** of a place if you ask me.

[Eamonnca1]

Can't wait to see the reaction of the English when they start to realise who the DUP are. New Scientist had a post on FB earlier about the DUP's views on science.