Sligo v Roscommon. June 20th

Started by sligoman2, June 12, 2015, 03:18:13 AM

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Mano

#255
Good performance and great result at the weekend. I have to say I was a little concerned beforehand with so many players in pivotal positions playing out of position but all looked very comfortable in their new roles. All 4 McDonnell, Murphy, Brehony, Ewing had excellent games.

Management team have to take a lot of the credit for this performance and the turnaround in the season midway through the league. 1) the introduction of 5/6 younger players has freshened things up and brought a lot of pace back into the side 2) The offensive tactics have maximised the scoring potential of our best line, full forward line  3) A Kick-out strategy has finally been implemented. We don't have the biggest of players to compete at midfield against the top teams. Previous management teams turned a blind eye to this and we kept gifting possession from our kickouts to the opposition, Galway last year and Mayo in 2012 are 2 examples where we made O'Currain and Barry Moran  look like good players in recent years.

There are still a lot of improvements to be made for the Mayo game. Cathal Cregg was allowed to run through the middle on a few occasions and we were guilty of swarming around the player in possession and leaving a player free inside. There are of things to work on over the next 4 weeks but its great to be in another Connaught final. Its just a pity that we cannot have it played at home, we would have a lot more than 3 Connaught titles to our name if our venue was up to the standard of hosting a Connaught final.

ballinaman

Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 11:27:41 AM
Its just a pity that we cannot have it played at home, we would have a lot more than 3 Connaught titles to our name if our venue was up to the standard of hosting a Connaught final.
Keep in mind it would rotate between counties if Markievicz Park was capable of hosting a final...Markievicz would be worth a couple of points surely and there have been a few close defeats alright.

2012        Mayo 0-12           Sligo 0-10
2010   Roscommon 0-14   Sligo 0-13
2007   Sligo 1-10           Galway 0-12
2002   Galway 1-11           Sligo 0-11
1997   Mayo 0-11           Sligo 1-07
1981   Mayo 0-12           Sligo 0-04
1975   Sligo 2-10 (R) 2-10   Mayo 1-13 (R) 0-15
1971   Galway 2-15 (R) 1-17   Sligo 2-15(R) 3-10
1965   Galway 1-12           Sligo 2-06
1956   Galway 3-12           Sligo 1-05
1954   Galway 2-10           Sligo 3-04
1947   Roscommon 2-12   Sligo 1-08
1932   Mayo 2-06           Sligo 0-07
1930   Mayo 1-07           Sligo 1-02
1928   Sligo 1-04           Mayo 0-06
1922   Galway 1-07 (R)2-04   Sligo 3-02 (R) 2-02
1920   Mayo 2-03           Sligo 1-04

moysider

Why not toss for venue. If it's Mark. Park, print the capacity and split the tickets 50:50. Attendance will be well down if it's brought to Salthill anyway. Nightmare trip for anybody that doesn't know how to bypass Tuam, claregalway and know their way about the city very well.

J70

Quote from: ballinaman on June 22, 2015, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 11:27:41 AM
Its just a pity that we cannot have it played at home, we would have a lot more than 3 Connaught titles to our name if our venue was up to the standard of hosting a Connaught final.
Keep in mind it would rotate between counties if Markievicz Park was capable of hosting a final...Markievicz would be worth a couple of points surely and there have been a few close defeats alright.

2012        Mayo 0-12           Sligo 0-10
2010   Roscommon 0-14   Sligo 0-13
2007   Sligo 1-10           Galway 0-12
2002   Galway 1-11           Sligo 0-11
1997   Mayo 0-11           Sligo 1-07
1981   Mayo 0-12           Sligo 0-04
1975   Sligo 2-10 (R) 2-10   Mayo 1-13 (R) 0-15
1971   Galway 2-15 (R) 1-17   Sligo 2-15(R) 3-10
1965   Galway 1-12           Sligo 2-06
1956   Galway 3-12           Sligo 1-05
1954   Galway 2-10           Sligo 3-04
1947   Roscommon 2-12   Sligo 1-08
1932   Mayo 2-06           Sligo 0-07
1930   Mayo 1-07           Sligo 1-02
1928   Sligo 1-04           Mayo 0-06
1922   Galway 1-07 (R)2-04   Sligo 3-02 (R) 2-02
1920   Mayo 2-03           Sligo 1-04

Sligo and Leitrim have never contested a final in a five county province??

ballinaman

#259
Leitrim have only been in the final 10 times....and the 2010/1947 finals of Roscommon Vs Sligo and 1914 Ros V Leitrim are the only finals to have neither Mayo or Galway involved.

2000   Galway 1-13   Leitrim 0-08
1994   Leitrim 0-12   Mayo 2-04
1967   Mayo 4-15   Leitrim 0-07
1963   Galway 4-11   Leitrim 1-08
1960   Galway 2-05   Leitrim 0-05
1959   Galway 5-08   Leitrim 0-12
1958   Galway 2-10   Leitrim 1-11
1949   Mayo 4-06   Leitrim 0-03
1927   Leitrim 2-04   Galway 0-03
1914   Roscommon 1-02   Leitrim 0-01

J70

Quote from: ballinaman on June 22, 2015, 01:46:08 PM
Leitrim have only been in the final 10 times....and the 2010 final of Roscommon Vs Sligo is the only final to have neither Mayo or Galway involved.

2000   Galway 1-13   Leitrim 0-08
1994   Leitrim 0-12   Mayo 2-04
1967   Mayo 4-15   Leitrim 0-07
1963   Galway 4-11   Leitrim 1-08
1960   Galway 2-05   Leitrim 0-05
1959   Galway 5-08   Leitrim 0-12
1958   Galway 2-10   Leitrim 1-11
1949   Mayo 4-06   Leitrim 0-03
1927   Leitrim 2-04   Galway 0-03
1914   Roscommon 1-02   Leitrim 0-01

One final without Mayo or Galway!

Edit -1914 Roscommon Leitrim according to the info you posted.

I often wonder what it must be like to follow intercounty when you're from Leitrim or Carlow etc. Just disappointment after disappointment.  Donegal, over the years, have been no great shakes,  but at least, partly due to our size, we will put together enough good players to contest provincial finals and win a title or two each generation. There's no prospect of even that modest level of success for so many counties.

macdanger2

Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.

The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it

Tubberman

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.

The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it

Rallying!? Would you really see a lad giving up football to concentrate on his rallying?
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

SLIGONIAN

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.

The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.

LOL at rallying btw
"hard work will always beat talent if talent doesn't work"

highorlow

Quotefocused intense football

That's where it went wrong for Ross. The question must be answered as to how much of this lack of intensity is down to the manager and how much down to the players?

The way I see it is 100% management, Ross looked over-trained, over-confident, over-awed [as the game was drifting from them] and under-prepared for the "what if" situations of championship football.

Where was the calmness required for the "what-if" scenario that transpired when they ended up 4 points down? It was non-existent, did the management not prepare the players for this going into the game? With the talk of Evans I would guess that this type of scenario never entered their build up.

Besides all of that they couldn't lift themselves from the situation to even eek out a draw, credit must go to Sligo for their spirited display. Ross are as well to stick with Evans now anyhow and I'm sure the mistakes they made the last day will be rectified.

They nearly beat us last year in Castlebar, they have good players and I expect Ross to make it to a QF still as any attitude of taking match's for granted will no longer be  an issue.
They get momentum, they go mad, here they go

Mano

Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.

The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.

LOL at rallying btw

Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?

Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.

JoG2

Quote from: highorlow on June 22, 2015, 02:20:22 PM
Quotefocused intense football

That's where it went wrong for Ross. The question must be answered as to how much of this lack of intensity is down to the manager and how much down to the players?

The way I see it is 100% management, Ross looked over-trained, over-confident, over-awed [as the game was drifting from them] and under-prepared for the "what if" situations of championship football.

Where was the calmness required for the "what-if" scenario that transpired when they ended up 4 points down? It was non-existent, did the management not prepare the players for this going into the game? With the talk of Evans I would guess that this type of scenario never entered their build up.

Besides all of that they couldn't lift themselves from the situation to even eek out a draw, credit must go to Sligo for their spirited display. Ross are as well to stick with Evans now anyhow and I'm sure the mistakes they made the last day will be rectified.

They nearly beat us last year in Castlebar, they have good players and I expect Ross to make it to a QF still as any attitude of taking match's for granted will no longer be  an issue.

the bit in bold is the best bit ! the lack of intensity being 100% down to management though runs it a close second

sligoman

Quote from: Mano on June 22, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 22, 2015, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Sligo have probably underperformed in terms of Connacht titles - current population is 65k compared with 31k for Leitrim and 65k for Roscommon.

The strength of soccer in Sligo town and the big interest in rallying probably explains some of it
That's completely the wrong way to look at it, we have 26 clubs, Leitrim have 28 and some of their clubs have 3 teams, add in the fact that of all the counties Sligo has by far and away the lowest population of gaa families which im convinced is a measurable factor that no one takes into account. You have to look at playing population rather then population imo. We have a serious chance under a very good manager like Carew to make hay, with our minors this year have serious players if we can just hold it together next few years. We do have I think the worst county board in Ireland which hits us with clubs and standard and structures within the county. Also the shocking bad choices of managers over the yrs has handicapped us at underage and senior and cost us titles but we got lucky with carew and he will maximise the potential of the seniors. Sligo has underachieved imo but our biggest issue is very good astute clubmen turning their back on gaa and absolute numpties thinking there great. The infighting at cb level was to blame for the post 2012 horror shows as walsh was kept on is a prime example, men in there power hungry and if there not involved they want Sligo to fail type stuff.

LOL at rallying btw

Look at the make up of the underage teams over the last few years and the current senior team. The majority of players are from the South and North divisions. What has happened to clubs who provided a lot of players in previous years the former strongholds of Shamrock Gaels, Eastern Harps, Easkey. GAA is a minority sport in some of our bigger towns Ballymote, Cooloney, Ballisodare, Enniscrone. What are the County Board doing to resurrect GAA in these areas?

Reason for our poor performance at under 21 level in recent years apart from 2014 is down to little or no preparation. The difference in players like C Brehony, Davey, McDonnell at u21 and senior level says it all. Players looked disinterested at the under 21 level as they knew they hadn't the preparation behind them. During the Walsh era he rarely gave the u21 management access to their players even forcing them to play a senior challenge a few days before the Connaught final. The County board allowed this to happen and seem to put all the focus on the senior team to the detriment of the under 21 team and the clubs.

The club scene is definitely a big problem in Sligo football. For a start, I feel we have clubs who have way too big of catchment areas. You look at the likes of Johns and all the underage successes they have enjoyed over the past 20 years or so, why has this never really transferred into senior, a lot of their best players for the underage teams never develop and many of them don't even play senior football. Johns and Marys must be two of the biggest clubs in terms of playing pick in the whole of Connacht but they have only shared one senior club championship between them in this millennium and this is despite them dominant A teams underage for the last 15 years. Harps are another side who have far too big of an area to pick from, there could easily be three clubs in that area and I think it's very damaging for the development of the game there which is why I feel they have fallen off so badly in recent years. It's not so long ago since their intermediate team were making Championship finals. I feel when clubs have such big areas to pick from they let young lads slip through their grasp much easier whereas this wouldn't be the case in normal circumstances.

Of course, soccer is a big factor but other than that you need a county board willing to put all its resources into areas where the game is dead. It's sad to see the way the GAA is in towns like Ballymote, Collooney and Ballisodare where it seems to have no interest at underage levels.

Itchy

Does anyone know if Roscommon wore the correct studs and whether they intend to wear them the next day out?

Rossfan

The Cavan game will show whether Saturday was a once off of preparing for the Connacht final and taking Sligo for granted
or
a sign that there are bigger problems with the panel and/or management.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM