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Title: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: redcard on December 08, 2017, 11:22:58 PM
Seen the usual stuff about Abortion laws, LGBT rights, Irish Language Act etc but there are many many more differences

Organisation and Integration of health and social services
Pub licensing laws and opening times
Times for shops to open on Sundays
Bookies closed on Sundays
Destruction of the railways in the west
Use of PR in elections
Different powers and responsibility of local authorities/Councils
Frequent resignations of ministers compared to infrequent resignation of ministers
11 plus/transfer tests and grammar schools
Different educational qualifications and education structure
Passport eligibility/dual citizenship
Housing Executive
Marching season
Different political parties
Different equality legislation
Right of ways
John Lewis
50 per cent remission prison sentences
Armed police
Petition of concern





Anything else to add?

Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: BennyCake on December 08, 2017, 11:29:42 PM
Quote from: hardstation on December 08, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
We have a Giants Causeway. They don't.

This could go on...

They (Scotland) do, of sorts. It's called Fingal's cave.

Anyway, the Giants Causeway is hardly something to boast about.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Targetman on December 08, 2017, 11:30:46 PM
They named a few more there on The Blame Game, was funny tonight with the DUP the butt of most jokes
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2017, 11:31:51 PM
Ye are undoubtedly the centre of the known universe.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: randomusername on December 08, 2017, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: laoislad on December 08, 2017, 11:31:51 PM
Ye are undoubtedly the centre of the known universe.

Laois.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Rossfan on December 09, 2017, 12:13:13 AM
6 Cos subject of International Treaty and right to join another State.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Rossfan on December 09, 2017, 12:21:58 AM
6 Counties hasn't got an international rubby team.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Minder on December 09, 2017, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: Targetman on December 08, 2017, 11:30:46 PM
They named a few more there on The Blame Game, was funny tonight with the DUP the butt of most jokes

Blame Game funny ? That should be in the WTF thread
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: seafoid on December 09, 2017, 05:00:51 AM
*The motorway system is limited to areas majority populated by Protestants

*There is no motorway link to the main trading partner.

Imagine Edinburgh having no motorway to Glasgow.

*A history of political violence

* convoluted power sharing

* much of the political activity is dominated by identity issues

* Prominence of characters such as Sammy who would be an estate agent in England

*Politics by religion

*2 education systems

* No Scottish team ever won the All Ireland

From Slugger

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/04/how-brexit-is-destroying-nis-centre-ground-and-could-take-the-union-with-it/comment-page-1/

The point I find myself reflecting on is that despite all of the talk of parity, the DUP and UUP seem to view the Union as a vehicle to ensure that Northern Ireland's residents are denied many of the rights enjoyed by British citizens. Finchley is a place where a DUP MP could not be elected.  Gay British citizens living in Finchley can get married. Women living in Finchley benefit from choice and bodily autonomy. Newspapers published in Finchley are freer due to the libel reform which the DUP blocked in Northern Ireland. Political parties running for election in Finchley must publish details of their donors. Practitioners of Islam in Finchley are considered part of the community, rather than people who can barely be trusted to go to the shops. Politicians in Finchley do not use their authority to set up slush funds which direct funding to paramilitary-linked community groups. People in Finchley do not burn down party political offices because they discovered that the town hall wasn't flying a Union flag 365 days a year.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Aaron Boone on December 09, 2017, 05:30:20 AM
Some NI MP's don't take their seats in Westmonster.

Halloween night vs Guy Fawkes

Motorways named M1/M2, separate from GB road network.

Different car numberplates.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: redcard on December 09, 2017, 05:57:35 AM
University fees
Insurance etc "not available in NI"
Television roulette "not available in NI"
RHI cost controls
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: BennyCake on December 09, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: seafoid on December 09, 2017, 05:00:51 AM
*The motorway system is limited to areas majority populated by Protestants

*There is no motorway link to the main trading partner.

Imagine Edinburgh having no motorway to Glasgow.

*A history of political violence

* convoluted power sharing

* much of the political activity is dominated by identity issues

* Prominence of characters such as Sammy who would be an estate agent in England

*Politics by religion

*2 education systems

* No Scottish team ever won the All Ireland

From Slugger

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/12/04/how-brexit-is-destroying-nis-centre-ground-and-could-take-the-union-with-it/comment-page-1/

The point I find myself reflecting on is that despite all of the talk of parity, the DUP and UUP seem to view the Union as a vehicle to ensure that Northern Ireland's residents are denied many of the rights enjoyed by British citizens. Finchley is a place where a DUP MP could not be elected.  Gay British citizens living in Finchley can get married. Women living in Finchley benefit from choice and bodily autonomy. Newspapers published in Finchley are freer due to the libel reform which the DUP blocked in Northern Ireland. Political parties running for election in Finchley must publish details of their donors. Practitioners of Islam in Finchley are considered part of the community, rather than people who can barely be trusted to go to the shops. Politicians in Finchley do not use their authority to set up slush funds which direct funding to paramilitary-linked community groups. People in Finchley do not burn down party political offices because they discovered that the town hall wasn't flying a Union flag 365 days a year.

As is the railways.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Owen Brannigan on December 09, 2017, 10:59:32 AM
In N.Ireland the first question in our heads, is he/she a Catholic/Protestant.  In GB they don't care.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Hardy on December 09, 2017, 02:09:44 PM
Two-and-a-half languages.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: T Fearon on December 09, 2017, 03:10:38 PM
And the differences between North and South are plentiful too

Northern Nationalists not allowed vote in Irish  Presidential election

Difference Measures, KM V Miles

Different Currencies

Northern nationalists forbidden from doing Irish Lotto on line

Dublin allegedly nationalist  parties will not enter coalition with SF unlike Unionist Northern parties

€13 evening rate parking fees in Dublin City Centre v £4 in Belfast

No ice hockey in South

North doesn't deal with South via a Foreign Affairs Dept

Same sex marriage illegal in North

No Irish language tv channel in North

No road tolls (after already paying Road tax) in North.

No TV toy shows in North.

Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Avondhu star on December 09, 2017, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 09, 2017, 03:10:38 PM
And the differences between North and South are plentiful too

Northern Nationalists not allowed vote in Irish  Presidential election

Difference Measures, KM V Miles

Different Currencies

Northern nationalists forbidden from doing Irish Lotto on line

Dublin parties will not enter coalition with SF unlike Northern parties

€13 evening rate parking fees in Dublin City Centre v £4 in Belfast

No ice hockey in South

North doesn't deal with South via a Foreign Affairs Dept

Same sex marriage illegal in North

No Irish language tv channel in North

No road tolls (after already paying Road tax) in North.

No TV toy shows in North.

Greater use of Care in the Community for the feeble minded which accounts for T Fearon being at large
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: bennydorano on December 09, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
As most cyclists point out with some glee - there is no such thing as road tax.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: seafoid on December 09, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
Pronunciation of the word "situation"

A soccer team such as Linfield which mixes a superiority  complex with ineptitude
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Owen Brannigan on December 09, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
As Channel 4 launches a sitcom about Derry school girls it has found it necessary to release a glossary for the GB viewers trying to understand the dialect:

Bars: Gossip / scandal

Boke: Vomit

Brit: A member of the British armed forces

Broke: Embarrassed

Broke to the bone: Hugely embarrassed

Buzzing: Very happy

Catch yourself on: "Don't be so ridiculous"

Cack attack: A state of extreme nervousness "I'm having a complete Cack attack"

Chicken ball special: A local delicacy

Class: Brilliant

Craic: Fun, but also news e.g. "Tell us your craic?"

Cracker: Beyond brilliant

Critter: Someone who evokes sympathy e.g. "You poor Critter"

Dose: An unbearable human being

Eejit: Idiot

Hi: A sound placed at the end of almost any sentence for no particularly reason e.g. "No problem hi"

Gone: Please

Head melter: Someone who causes you mental distress

Lurred: Absolutely delighted

Mind: "Do you remember?"

Mouth: Someone prone to exaggeration

Mucker: Friend

No Bother: "That's no trouble whatsoever"

Raging: Annoyed/angry

Ride (n): A very attractive person

Ride (v): To have sex

Ripping: Extremely annoyed / angry

Saunter: "Be on your way"

Sh**e the tights: Someone of a nervous disposition

Slabber: A show off

So it is/so I am: A phrase used for emphasis e.g. "I'm delighted, so I am"

Start: To provoke e.g. "Don't start me"

Stall the ball: "Stop what you're doing immediately"

Tayto cheese and onion sandwich: A local delicacy

Wain: A child or young person

Watch yourself: Take care

Wile: Very or Terrible

Wise up: "Don't be so stupid and/or immature"

Yes: Hello

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/film-tv/news/catch-yourself-on-channel-4-issues-local-lingo-guide-ahead-of-derry-girls-premiere-how-many-do-you-know-36387729.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/film-tv/news/catch-yourself-on-channel-4-issues-local-lingo-guide-ahead-of-derry-girls-premiere-how-many-do-you-know-36387729.html)
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: T Fearon on December 09, 2017, 09:28:22 PM
I guess this thread proves my theory that the differences between North and UK are huge as are the differences between North and South.Therefore should our politics in the North not change to emphasise our uniqueness instead of the current emphasis on allegiances to two other states with whom we have enormous differences?
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Rossfan on December 09, 2017, 09:44:05 PM
Shocking difference between the folks who live in Belcoo and those who live in Blacklion.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: T Fearon on December 09, 2017, 09:48:21 PM
Obviously in border areas there's going to be considerable symmetry.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: armaghniac on December 09, 2017, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on December 09, 2017, 09:48:21 PM
Obviously in border areas there's going to be considerable symmetry.

So where does the symmetry end? We can move the border there.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Main Street on December 09, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Ulster is saved from sodomy.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: weareros on December 10, 2017, 12:13:01 AM
They put a soda farl in the Ulster Fry. Just a different breed, altogether.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Orior on December 10, 2017, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: weareros on December 10, 2017, 12:13:01 AM
They put a soda farl in the Ulster Fry. Just a different breed, altogether.

And the brits add baked beans. Disgusting!
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: redcard on December 10, 2017, 10:25:17 AM
Today is Sunday. I can't walk into my local bookies and place a bet because it is closed. Is this a form of regulatory divergence which separates Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the United Kingdom? Is this evidence of a red line down the Irish Sea or even evidence of a hard border?
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 10, 2017, 10:34:16 AM
Quote from: Orior on December 10, 2017, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: weareros on December 10, 2017, 12:13:01 AM
They put a soda farl in the Ulster Fry. Just a different breed, altogether.

And the brits add baked beans. Disgusting!

I do both.....what am I?
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: BennyCake on December 10, 2017, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: Orior on December 10, 2017, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: weareros on December 10, 2017, 12:13:01 AM
They put a soda farl in the Ulster Fry. Just a different breed, altogether.

And the brits add baked beans. Disgusting!

You're right. Pure disgusting.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: Orior on December 10, 2017, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 10, 2017, 10:34:16 AM
Quote from: Orior on December 10, 2017, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: weareros on December 10, 2017, 12:13:01 AM
They put a soda farl in the Ulster Fry. Just a different breed, altogether.

And the brits add baked beans. Disgusting!

I do both.....what am I?

Greedy bollix?
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: seafoid on December 10, 2017, 01:20:23 PM
It is acceptable to have an Irish identity in England

Scottish and Welsh MPs go to Westminster to work, not to arse lick
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: redcard on December 16, 2017, 09:41:39 PM
Differences in Northern Ireland legislation compared with Great Britain.
• Unique legislation in Northern Ireland
• Duplicate Orders in Council
• Different infrastructure
• Different court system
• Industrial Tribunals (IT) as opposed to Employment Tribunals (ET) in GB
• Appeal from IT by way of Court of Appeal in NI in GB appeal from and ET to
an Employment Appeal Tribunal (EAT) and then the Court of Appeal.

Quasi Autonomous Non-Government Organisation operating in Northern
Ireland (QUANGO's)

Labour Relations Agency (LRA in GB ACAS) formed in 1976. Its purpose to
promote 'good industrial relations'
Human Rights Commission established under the NI Act 1998 in March 1999
Health and Safety Executive comprises former Health and Safety Agency and Health
and Safety Inspectorate. Its aim is to promote 'health , safety and welfare at work'.
Equality Commission (EC) one 'super' agency established October 1999 (brainchild
of the late Dr Mo Marjorie Mowlam former Sec of State for NI). Formerly in NI there
were separate equality commissions for Fair Employment (perceived religious belief
or political opinion), Sex Discrimination and discrimination on the grounds of
disability. GB (The Equal Opportunities Commission) The EC in Northern Ireland
embraces the following:-
• Racial Equality
• Equal Opportunities
• Fair Employment
• Disability Discrimination
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: ziggy90 on December 17, 2017, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on December 10, 2017, 10:34:16 AM
Quote from: Orior on December 10, 2017, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: weareros on December 10, 2017, 12:13:01 AM
They put a soda farl in the Ulster Fry. Just a different breed, altogether.

And the brits add baked beans. Disgusting!

I do both.....what am I?

Do you have tinned tomatoes too? If so you're a Brummie.
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: redcard on December 17, 2017, 11:51:26 AM
Change to law on gambling in Northern Ireland – What are the odds?

September 27, 2016
Advances in technology and changing social trends have seen certain forms of gambling increase in popularity as they have become more accessible to the general public. Gambling is a transferred matter for the purposes of the NI Act 1998 and is currently regulated in Northern Ireland by The Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Northern Ireland) Order 1985. This legislation has proved increasingly inflexible and overly restrictive in the face of developments in the gambling market. As a result, there have been calls to modernise the law and align regulation with that in place in the rest of the UK. Indeed, in 2011, a public consultation was undertaken to seek views on possible changes to the current gambling law.  A total of 239 responses were received to the consultation including the views of 44 organisations with a general recognition that the law was overly restrictive and in need of modernisation.

In updating the law, it will be necessary to achieve a balance between easing current restrictions on the industry, thereby widening the scope of the market in Northern Ireland, but also minimise the potential negative consequences of gambling and ensure fairness in the industry. Proposed changes include the enactment of a new offence making it illegal for under 18's to use gambling machines as well as the requirement that a bookmaker's bet constitutes an enforceable contract as opposed to merely 'a gentleman's agreement'. Under the current law in NI, prize draws which do not depend on a 'substantial' degree of skill are prohibited unless they are free to enter. The replacement legislation may well seek to redefine the boundary between what constitutes legal activity generating revenue and what amounts to an illegal lottery by removing the requirement that the degree of skill exercised be substantial.  This will allow players in Northern Ireland to compete in the same competitions as other UK residents.

At present, in the betting sector in Northern Ireland there are: approximately 330 licensed bookmaking offices; two horse racing tracks; two dog racing tracks and around 40 commercial bingo clubs. However, one of the largest entertainment companies in Europe, The Rank Group, have so far been unable to expand into Northern Ireland because of the tighter legal restrictions here compared to the rest of the UK. However the present blanket prohibition on casinos in Northern Ireland looks set to stay eliciting criticism that Belfast is the only major UK city without the choice as to whether such development may be licensed. Change to Northern Ireland's gambling legislation may not come as soon as many would hope, as any draft legislation will have to go through a lengthy process of scrutiny before it completes its passage through the assembly.

http://www.cfrlaw.co.uk/article/change-to-law-on-gambling-in-northern-ireland-what-are-the-odds/
Title: Re: How the north/Northern Ireland differs from England, Scotland and Wales
Post by: redcard on February 05, 2018, 11:16:41 AM
Your car can't  be clamped on private property in England and Wales but it can be in the north

There are no National Parks in the North either.