Standard of Refs

[imtommygunn]

Tbf to that ref the shoulder that turbitt got which initially looked like a foul he called absolutely right and armagh would have won had he given it. I think most refs would have called it wrong too.

[Itchy]

If I were a ref in Croke Park, for a big call if go having fake chats with umpires and lineman but I'd sneak a look at the replay on the big screen to see the craic. If Lol lane did that he'd have saw it wasn't black and barely a foul.

[restorepride]

Both refs did really well today, overall. Most players made more errors than they did.

[Throw ball]

No harm but if anyone thinks the referees did well today it says more about the poor clarity of the rules leading to an overall poor standard of consistency in interpreting those rules. We can all say Armagh were crap today, Monaghan weren't great or Tyrone were brutal. Why can't we say the officials had a bad game. Going on the fair today gaelic football is in serious bother. People can laugh and joke at Armagh and their supporters but the last couple of years they have brought numbers to matches. That will soon change if the fare on show continues to be so poor. Look at Tyrone. They used to have a massive support. The football they served up for years now means the local country GAA club could host their games.

[tonto1888]

If I were a ref in Croke Park, for a big call if go having fake chats with umpires and lineman but I'd sneak a look at the replay on the big screen to see the craic. If Lol lane did that he'd have saw it wasn't black and barely a foul.

It was a foul alright. Def not a black card tho.
Lane made a few calls, or rather didn't, that I would like to see again before I hang draw and quarter him haha. Some of the things he did give I disagreed with but at the end of the day he's a lot closer to the play than me so what do I know. Tell ye one thing. I wouldn't be a ref for any money

[Main Street]

Tbf to that ref the shoulder that turbitt got which initially looked like a foul he called absolutely right and armagh would have won had he given it. I think most refs would have called it wrong too.

It wasn't a foul and kudos to Conor for spotting that but why the throwball decision when Monaghan had gained possession of the ball?

[onefineday]

Going on the fair today gaelic football is in serious bother. People can laugh and joke at Armagh and their supporters but the last couple of years they have brought numbers to matches. That will soon change if the fare on show continues to be so poor. Look at Tyrone. They used to have a massive support. The football they served up for years now means the local country GAA club could host their games.

As I endured that game which obviously got very tense and exciting as it dragged on I thought it should be taken and examined by the rules committee or whatever the team charged with looking after the future of the game is called, as it had great examples of everything that is ruining the game of Gaelic football.
I'm not trying to rain on Monaghan's parade and Christ knows Derry v cork might not be easy in the eye later, but that was a hard watch.
Ref got a number of calls wrong, but it's not an easy gig, particularly when teams are as negative as they were today.
The black card needs looked at anyway, it should be expanded from the very narrow range it currently applies to. There were totally cynical play stopping tackles in abundance today, any time football looked like breaking out someone wrestled the man with the ball to the ground or held him up until the cavalry arrived.
Did I see that Armagh had 2 wides today? Could that be right, 16 odd shots in 90/100 mins? Virtually no goal threat from either team in that time, 11 of 28 scores from frees. Totally stop start with no flow at all.
I've said it before, we need to make rule changes to remove the negative options, the fear of losing means teams will take the safest option until that is no longer an option.
This game, a selection of rossie games, a few recent ulster finals, any number of senior club championship games up and down the country should be used to obtain the evidence of the problems and come up with rules countering them or we're not going to have something that spectators want to watch or that players are going to want to play.

[Itchy]

Going on the fair today gaelic football is in serious bother. People can laugh and joke at Armagh and their supporters but the last couple of years they have brought numbers to matches. That will soon change if the fare on show continues to be so poor. Look at Tyrone. They used to have a massive support. The football they served up for years now means the local country GAA club could host their games.

As I endured that game which obviously got very tense and exciting as it dragged on I thought it should be taken and examined by the rules committee or whatever the team charged with looking after the future of the game is called, as it had great examples of everything that is ruining the game of Gaelic football.
I'm not trying to rain on Monaghan's parade and Christ knows Derry v cork might not be easy in the eye later, but that was a hard watch.
Ref got a number of calls wrong, but it's not an easy gig, particularly when teams are as negative as they were today.
The black card needs looked at anyway, it should be expanded from the very narrow range it currently applies to. There were totally cynical play stopping tackles in abundance today, any time football looked like breaking out someone wrestled the man with the ball to the ground or held him up until the cavalry arrived.
Did I see that Armagh had 2 wides today? Could that be right, 16 odd shots in 90/100 mins? Virtually no goal threat from either team in that time, 11 of 28 scores from frees. Totally stop start with no flow at all.
I've said it before, we need to make rule changes to remove the negative options, the fear of losing means teams will take the safest option until that is no longer an option.
This game, a selection of rossie games, a few recent ulster finals, any number of senior club championship games up and down the country should be used to obtain the evidence of the problems and come up with rules countering them or we're not going to have something that spectators want to watch or that players are going to want to play.

90% of what you've typed has nothing to do with refereeing?

[LeoMc]

Going on the fair today gaelic football is in serious bother. People can laugh and joke at Armagh and their supporters but the last couple of years they have brought numbers to matches. That will soon change if the fare on show continues to be so poor. Look at Tyrone. They used to have a massive support. The football they served up for years now means the local country GAA club could host their games.

As I endured that game which obviously got very tense and exciting as it dragged on I thought it should be taken and examined by the rules committee or whatever the team charged with looking after the future of the game is called, as it had great examples of everything that is ruining the game of Gaelic football.
I'm not trying to rain on Monaghan's parade and Christ knows Derry v cork might not be easy in the eye later, but that was a hard watch.
Ref got a number of calls wrong, but it's not an easy gig, particularly when teams are as negative as they were today.
The black card needs looked at anyway, it should be expanded from the very narrow range it currently applies to. There were totally cynical play stopping tackles in abundance today, any time football looked like breaking out someone wrestled the man with the ball to the ground or held him up until the cavalry arrived.
Did I see that Armagh had 2 wides today? Could that be right, 16 odd shots in 90/100 mins? Virtually no goal threat from either team in that time, 11 of 28 scores from frees. Totally stop start with no flow at all.
I've said it before, we need to make rule changes to remove the negative options, the fear of losing means teams will take the safest option until that is no longer an option.
This game, a selection of rossie games, a few recent ulster finals, any number of senior club championship games up and down the country should be used to obtain the evidence of the problems and come up with rules countering them or we're not going to have something that spectators want to watch or that players are going to want to play.

90% of what you've typed has nothing to do with refereeing?

If we give both teams participation stickers instead of giving 1 a trophy it will take away the fear of losing. That won't impact the standard of Refs or improve spectators understanding of the rules.

[square_ball]

If I were a ref in Croke Park, for a big call if go having fake chats with umpires and lineman but I'd sneak a look at the replay on the big screen to see the craic. If Lol lane did that he'd have saw it wasn't black and barely a foul.

Big screen immediately cuts the feed when there is a foul and doesn't show replays of it. For black card calls it wouldn't be a bad idea for refs to be able to have a look at it on a replay.

[DuffleKing]

In all seriousness, Conor Lane is nowhere near the level required at the top level. In this day and age, how do you hop the ball as a result of a fair tackle, how do you stop the game for minutes on end for cramp? His inconsistency in refereeing the tackle is infuriating.

Cawley was grand. He's what Croke Park want in a ref and will get more and more big games. Got calls wrong and got more right. Too sanitised for my liking but, again, he's what the powers want.

We are going to find out today again that Dublin joe is in the Lane category. Miles out of touch from the game in terms of its pace, contact and ability to make split second decisions. He's demonstrated that consistently, including this year.

You'd have to wonder what the leadership with referee development are at when you see McQuillan and Lane getting Quarter finals.

[tonto1888]

Tbf to that ref the shoulder that turbitt got which initially looked like a foul he called absolutely right and armagh would have won had he given it. I think most refs would have called it wrong too.

It wasn't a foul and kudos to Conor for spotting that but why the throwball decision when Monaghan had gained possession of the ball?

I thought at the time it was a fair, if hard, hit. Seen the video there and while I've, wrongly, seen them given Lane got that one right

[WhoDat]

the standard of refereeing is crap and i hate that it's nearly taboo to say it. yes, it's not an easy job and there are too many rules that are left up to vague interpretation hence the inconsistency, but there are also too many refs who judge fouls based on the context of the game rather than the incident itself, and thus end up having big influences on games. this thing of playing for last minute frees because it's known that the ref will give them to engineer a draw is nonsense. same with penalties. also the level of contact allowed seems to be getting less and less and players know it, hence all the diving. they know refs will blow it up if they go down, so every time they feel contact, they drop. refs need to be stronger and they need to stop involving themselves in the outcome of games. it's ridiculous.

[square_ball]

I thought Cawley was grand yesterday. A game that turns into a tanking is generally easier refereed than say the way the 2nd game turned out. I can see how they missed the McCurry incident. It was done on the blindside. Not like McCurry but dirty nonetheless.

[Milltown Row2]

the standard of refereeing is crap and i hate that it's nearly taboo to say it. yes, it's not an easy job and there are too many rules that are left up to vague interpretation hence the inconsistency, but there are also too many refs who judge fouls based on the context of the game rather than the incident itself, and thus end up having big influences on games. this thing of playing for last minute frees because it's known that the ref will give them to engineer a draw is nonsense. same with penalties. also the level of contact allowed seems to be getting less and less and players know it, hence all the diving. they know refs will blow it up if they go down, so every time they feel contact, they drop. refs need to be stronger and they need to stop involving themselves in the outcome of games. it's ridiculous.

Sounds easy, give it a go