A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[armaghniac]

I'd say let them keep Larne. Or Bangor. I could live without Bangor.

A town with its Irish name on its coat of arms and home of a major centre of learning in ancient times, should be in Ireland.

[Eamonnca1]

It already is

[armaghniac]

Fair point. Under independent government then.

[omochain]

Maybe a bit of historical perspective on this might help the debate.

http://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/the-boundary-commission-debacle-1925-aftermath-implications/

Cosgrave's party does not have a good track record negotiating with the Unionists. On the other hand Dev and his crowd were worse..

[armaghniac]

Maybe a bit of historical perspective on this might help the debate.

http://www.historyireland.com/20th-century-contemporary-history/the-boundary-commission-debacle-1925-aftermath-implications/

Cosgrave's party does not have a good track record negotiating with the Unionists. On the other hand Dev and his crowd were worse..

Cosgrave's party might have done better if the Dev hadn't start a war in Munster to free the North

[vallankumous]

Cosgrave's party might have done better if the Dev hadn't start a war in Munster to free the North

Do you think a different partition would have been better?

Purely academic but I see it often now too.
There are post election maps of the north divided in green and orange after every election. Then there are nationalists/republicans claiming the map shows something great as the green expands and the orange becomes even more cornered.
"the greening of the west of the bann" was one of the most sickening post election slogans I've ever heard.

larger partition, smaller partition, re-partition etc.
There is no good to come from partition and there is no good to come from clearer lines of social division.

[armaghniac]

Do you think a different partition would have been better?

I didn't say that, I referred to the pointlessness of the civil war wrecking Munster, which was surely a distraction to the first 26 county government.
But I do not think some other partition is good either, the differences are largely contrived and should not be aggravated by partition. Mind you any other partition would not have included my house.

[vallankumous]

There is no good to come from partition

Mind you any other partition would not have included my house.

Maybe I should reconsider my position.

[tiempo]

To those quislings who sold out the patriot game.

However, he insisted it is not scaremongering to be concerned about the impact of an Irish language act.

He said that if one is passed, people would no longer be reliant on flags or painted kerbstones - instead they would know whose territory they were in by looking at the road signs.

[Owen Brannigan]

There won't be a Border Poll and even if there was to be it would be heavily in favour of the status quo:

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/10/22/latest-findings-on-a-border-poll/

[armaghniac]

There won't be a Border Poll and even if there was to be it would be heavily in favour of the status quo:

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/10/22/latest-findings-on-a-border-poll/

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There won't be a border  poll because the necessary preparation hasn't been done and the main nationalist party in NI has only limited awareness of the economic issues that will swing the day, never mind the ability to produce a plan to deal with them

At this point people do not want a border poll, they want the GFA  to continue without the unionists being able to block it and without the British being able to overthrow it with Brexit bollix. Within the context of orderly conditions people then want plans for a UI to be advanced.

[seafoid]

There won't be a Border Poll and even if there was to be it would be heavily in favour of the status quo:

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/10/22/latest-findings-on-a-border-poll/

People expect stability but if Brexit happens all.bets are off. The DUP hate the EU. They don't understand economics

[BennyCake]

There won't be a Border Poll and even if there was to be it would be heavily in favour of the status quo:

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/10/22/latest-findings-on-a-border-poll/

People expect stability but if Brexit happens all.bets are off. The DUP hate the EU. They don't understand economics

Wanting out of the EU is not all about economics. People voted out because they were sick of the shite the EU were imposing on them. And they were totally right in getting out.

[Owen Brannigan]

There won't be a Border Poll and even if there was to be it would be heavily in favour of the status quo:

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/10/22/latest-findings-on-a-border-poll/

People expect stability but if Brexit happens all.bets are off. The DUP hate the EU. They don't understand economics

It is happening.

[armaghniac]

Wanting out of the EU is not all about economics. People voted out because they were sick of the shite the EU were imposing on them. And they were totally right in getting out.

Examples of this 'shite'?

It is happening.

A rulya  Brexit pisses of so many influential people that there is a fair chance of it either being cancelled, postponed indefinitely or reduced to BINO.