America`s Gun Culture

[Main Street]

Give them as many guns as they want... Ban the ammunition, that's not part of their stupid amendments

were you happy that Irish republican's had weapons in the occupied 6 counties during the troubles ?

Not at all, I'm completely against violence, no one would have died and we'd be in the same position we are now, only SF are in government under British rule. No one had to die..

Hopefully that answers your question

was that always your position?
We're you in the minority?

I grew up on the Falls, during the troubles at its worst, I'd no issues saying what I felt then or now, and any death considering how it's actually panned out was totally avoidable, just like the states no guns no senseless murders

Is there any context for armed defiance, eg the French Resistance  WW2?

You're either for all of it or none of it, if you feel the French resistance made a huge impact and the atrocities at Oradour-sur-Glane where justified, I'm not sure. This was the site of a particularly brutal atrocity during World War II. Due to the French resistance holding a SS prisoner I'm not sure it was a good thing, The entire village was destroyed and its inhabitants killed (645)! by German troops on June 10, 1944, this happened exactly two years after a similar fate had befallen the Czechoslovakian village of Lidice.

You are comparing apples and oranges though.

The IRA were never going to win the war, it brought about a stalemate which brought about dialogue and eventually 'peace', a lot of people died needlessly who had absolutely no involvement in the troubles, if you feel it was justified then that's your feelings. I personally think we'd have got to where are now with a lot less dead had we took the political route. SF are in Stormont under a government that is over seen by Westminster. Why did we wait so long?

I am not comparing the IRA to French Resistance, I am asking you who espouses pacifism, in your opinion is there any context for violent resistance? Is your pacifism all encompassing? Bear in mind you have the luxury of opining pacifism with hindsight when reviewing the effect of singular events such as Oradour-sur-Glane. The French Resistance spanned 4 or so years in the context of an aggressive invasion and occupation, the merits of which cannot be measured  by just one incident.
It's a classic scenario, measuring the effects of the resistance which lasted 4 years and it's legacy, Instead of suffering the brunt of cruel and sadistic reprisals much of it happened to civilians, should the resistance inclined natives have bitten the bullet, kept their heads down and wait for their country to be rescued, meanwhile with gritted teeth allow their country to be plundered, their people deported to work camps, Jews and any civil disrupters to be sent to death camps?

[Milltown Row2]

Again you're comparing apples and oranges... we were not sent to death camps and any relevance to that is stupid, 6 million Jews were murdered.

Political pressure from the south was non existent so I understand why various campaigns happened, but I'm not an hindsight pacifist, you either are or not, if you feel strapping someone to the wheel of his van and blowing him up is ok then knock yourself out.

I've witnessed enough bombs shootings riots and listened to families losing loved ones to form my own opinion.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Just the 5 dead and 16 injured at a 4th July parade earlier - https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/7/4/23194354/highland-park-fourth-july-parade-gunfire

[Wildweasel74]

What's the gun policy on Denmark? Restricted on semi automatic ? Suppose rifles required for hunting, where the guy in the shopping mall pick up the gun?

[Captain Obvious]

What's the gun policy on Denmark? Restricted on semi automatic ? Suppose rifles required for hunting, where the guy in the shopping mall pick up the gun?

semi-automatic weapons and handguns are allowed with special authorization. A genuine reason to possess a firearm, such as for hunting and you must have passed a background check which looks into criminal and mental health records.

[Rudi]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63724716

At the weekend Colorado Springs, now a store manager in Walmart Chespeake Va, mad ba@tards them yanks. Doesn't look like a great place to live, not helped by polarized opinions on social, every day & political issues. Ease at getting your hands on guns not helping either.

[Milltown Row2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63724716

At the weekend Colorado Springs, now a store manager in Walmart Chespeake Va, mad ba@tards them yanks. Doesn't look like a great place to live, not helped by polarized opinions on social, every day & political issues. Ease at getting your hands on guns not helping either.

How bad was he or his work colleagues to get that? Thoughts and prayers to the families should smooth things over though

[Blowitupref]

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2023/0122/1350118-california-shooting/

[seafoid]

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

[whitey]

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

[thewobbler]

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.

[Armagh18]

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.

If Sandy Hook and the like didn't do it, i dont know what will.

[whitey]

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.

Some people, rightly or wrongly, believe that they have a constitutional right to bear arms

Even if you had 50 Sandy Hooks-these people wouldn't give up their guns

[seafoid]

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.

If Sandy Hook and the like didn't do it, i dont know what will.

The politics have to change. Guns are a symbol of corruption and a corrupt lobby, the NRA. It's a culture war because guns divide people. That is the point. The workingvclass is divided.

There is an airport in New York named after a politician who destroyed Tammany Hall, a previous Democratic version of he corrupt lobby . The people loved him.

https://youtu.be/SaHflVDIzZo

Someone like him will emerge and destroy the NRA. The really sad thing about guns in the US is that people are dying for nothing. It is all pointless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/guns-soul-of-america.amp.html

"The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Theodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cultures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster but draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "

[Gmac]

Guns are a culture war, same as trans.
Before WW2 there was a culture war involving the Klan. It didn't survive WW2.
People were brought together.
So guns will go when neoliberalism does.

Where are they going to go?

Who's going to give up their guns?

It's not impossible but it'll take an era changing event and then it'll take time.

Even that mental f**king basket of a country has to have a tipping point with regards right and wrong. It might be a machine gun in a sports stadium. Or it might be a machine gun in court room. Or it might be a machine gun in a political chamber. But something that completely changes perceptions on a national level, eventually has to happen. Automatic weapons, drugs, depression and a muddled sense of purpose make it inevitable.

If Sandy Hook and the like didn't do it, i dont know what will.

The politics have to change. Guns are a symbol of corruption and a corrupt lobby, the NRA. It's a culture war because guns divide people. That is the point. The workingvclass is divided.

There is an airport in New York named after a politician who destroyed Tammany Hall, a previous Democratic version of he corrupt lobby . The people loved him.

https://youtu.be/SaHflVDIzZo

Someone like him will emerge and destroy the NRA. The really sad thing about guns in the US is that people are dying for nothing. It is all pointless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/guns-soul-of-america.amp.html

"The US needs "some sort of synthesis on the larger postindustrial/populism war. Over a century ago industrialisation brought on culture clash between agrarian populist and the genteel Victoria aristocrats.  Theodore Roosevelt transcended the fight by inventing a new kind of American nationalism. Meanwhile the progressives cleaned up elite corruption and nurtured a square deal for those left behind by technological change. Cultural leaders introduced new institutions and community forms like the Boy Scouts and the settlement house that drew from both cultures replaced them.  Today we need another grand synthesis that can move us beyond the current divide, a synthesis that is neither redneck nor hipster but draws from both worlds to create a new social vision progress on guns will be possible when the culture war subsides, not before. "

I think you are over complicating things the bottom line is people who have guns in their home or carry them for protection or use guns for hunting and don't do anything illegal with them  are never giving them up  and I wouldn't want to try take them either . Think of that what you want but that is the reality .