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GAA Discussion / Re: Tailteann Cup 2023 - Rules from GAA Master Fixtures List

« on: May 15, 2023, 02:13:11 PM »

I've always liked that idea of a winning team entering the higher championship at a later stage, it's better than the current reward of entering the following year as momentum and form can have disappeared by then (not pointing any fingers Westmeath). It also gives a really good incentive for the TC.
The obvious problem is that means TC has to be played off earlier than the All Ireland series. Maybe a quarter final slot could be reserved and TC could be tightened up a touch to allow that to happen?

Where exactly would you get it run off? I just can't see how it can be squeezed into the calendar. And also that is a lot of games, to then enter another Championship. The idea always was to have it at the level and recognition/promotion of Sam. Run off at the same time of year, and final on a day with an All Ireland semi final or such in mid-summer. Rather than run it all off by May so they can join in the winners to the Quarters where people forget about it after they invariably lose.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Armagh - Kingspan Breffni Park - Sat, Apr 22, 2023 - 18:30

« on: April 22, 2023, 10:22:28 AM »

Can people from Northern ireland watch the match on gaago. I know in the past gaago only shown the games for people living overseas

Yes island of Ireland can watch it

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Armagh - Kingspan Breffni Park - Sat, Apr 22, 2023 - 18:30

« on: April 21, 2023, 10:56:36 PM »

Looks like conditions will be brutal tomorrow.  Rain all day

Does Breffni Park pitch cope well with the rain?

Ordinarily yes. But not this year. There was a lot of games on it late last year and cut the surface up a fair bit. They worked in it early this year, put down a lot of sand, but it looked fairly patchy last League game. A far cry from the carpet it was last summer. But few games since 4 weeks ago, and better weather lately means they might have it back to where it needs to be. These earlier Championship starts does put pressure on surfaces though

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Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread

« on: April 21, 2023, 11:15:18 AM »

Cavan team named:

Raymond Galligan
Killian Clarke
Padraig Faulkner
Jason McLoughlin
Ciaran Brady
Oisin Kiernan
Gerry Smith
Gearoid McKiernan
James Smith
Conor Brady
Dara McVeety
Jonny McCabe
Cian Madden
Paddy Lynch
Oisin Brady

Bench: Liam Brady, Conor Moynagh, Conor Madden, Niall Carolan, Tiarnan Madden, Brandon Boylan, Ryan O'Neill, Jack McKenna, Killian Brady, Marty Reilly, Conor Smith

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Armagh - Kingspan Breffni Park - Sat, Apr 22, 2023 - 18:30

« on: April 21, 2023, 11:07:36 AM »

Cavan team named:

Raymond Galligan
Killian Clarke
Padraig Faulkner
Jason McLoughlin
Ciaran Brady
Oisin Kiernan
Gerry Smith
Gearoid McKiernan
James Smith
Conor Brady
Dara McVeety
Jonny McCabe
Cian Madden
Paddy Lynch
Oisin Brady

Bench: Liam Brady, Conor Moynagh, Conor Madden, Niall Carolan, Tiarnan Madden, Brandon Boylan, Ryan O'Neill, Jack McKenna, Killian Brady, Marty Reilly, Conor Smith

Strong team, and good bench too with a lot of options to come on as needed.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Armagh - Kingspan Breffni Park - Sat, Apr 22, 2023 - 18:30

« on: April 20, 2023, 11:16:57 AM »

Sure the lad is just right. When  you're young enough go and travel the World and do what you have to do, the GAA have an awful habit of tarnishing someone for not being back home playing for his County. Let the lad have his fun and he'll return if and when he wants too. Fair play to him (i'm slighlty jealous).

Don’t think theres many wishing him anything but the best from what I’ve seen. He’s already gave the Cavan boys plenty and I’m sure he’ be back in the future.

That's it exactly. He's put his body on the line for Cavan, everyone wishes him best, but do hope he's back soon

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Armagh - Kingspan Breffni Park - Sat, Apr 22, 2023 - 18:30

« on: April 19, 2023, 09:48:11 PM »

No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out

Heard he trained with New York on Sunday and will bepart of their squad for Sligo this weekend

Really - Jesus that is come coup for New York.

So he's taken time off from  Cavan GAA  and is now rumoured to be a part of the New York squad participating in the championship squad,
Is that tolerable, a temporary defection of sorts by one of your best players,  as apposed to the treasonable offense of defecting after being dropped from the panel?

Temporary. He graduated as a physio, and is travelling for his work. He was in Australia late last year, early this year. Was back for a few weeks before going to the US. May as well play some ball when there. He has said he will be back after his travels and work experience, but sure who knows.

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Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread

« on: April 19, 2023, 11:58:15 AM »

Is the match on TV?

GAA Go only unfortunately. Not sure why BBC picked so many otehr matches, but not this one which should be a cracker

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Armagh - Kingspan Breffni Park - Sat, Apr 22, 2023 - 18:30

« on: April 19, 2023, 08:23:58 AM »

Aare Cavan missing Thomas Galligan?

Yeah he's away travelling for the year

Serious loss. Was he away last year as well? Never forget watching him vs Donegal in the Ulster final that year. Warrior.

No he was playing last year, but had some injuries so played but wasn't fully up to speed I recall. He has transferred to a club in New York. Hope he'll be back next year, but was some word he might be taking 2 out

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Armagh - Kingspan Breffni Park - Sat, Apr 22, 2023 - 18:30

« on: April 18, 2023, 10:43:35 PM »

Aare Cavan missing Thomas Galligan?

Yeah he's away travelling for the year

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Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread

« on: April 18, 2023, 01:05:03 PM »

I know that sounds arrogant, but it'll be a huge disappointment for me if we lose. More riding on this for us than Armagh in more than a few ways. We've a lot of players around the 100 cap mark with enough talented youth and others in between backing them up, and another year in Tailteann for us will be a disaster. If our boys haven't been aiming our year for this, aren't dialled in, and aren't ready to go knowing we can win this then I really don't know where we're at as a county. This will be our best chance for the next while to get to a final with some teams on downers and Tyrone out. We need to show that finals and the win in 2020 were not aberrations. Getting through Ulster games and not being afraid of them needs to be where we're at.

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Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread

« on: April 18, 2023, 12:57:24 PM »

I sincerely hope you're right Dreadnought. Hard to overstate how big of a win this would be if we pulled it off.

It would be a big win, but it'd hardly be a shock or anything for me. If we aren't expecting to go into this match and come out with a win, then what are we at really? We're not a tiny county, we're a county that can beat nearly any other team on our day. Armagh are not some giant who are many levels above us, we've done far more than them in Ulster recent years. I feel the last number of years, that so much weight has been put on League an where you are and where you finished. We've seen time and again this doesn't always apply to us and we know we're a good team. We have the players, we're at home, and if we're dialled in, take enough of our chances, then I expect we'll win.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations

« on: April 18, 2023, 11:37:38 AM »

Provincial Councils will no doubt oppose any attempt at dictating how they run their Championships.

You could of course have round robin Provincials with the 8 Finalists, Tailtean  winners and 7 highest League teams playing a knock out AI Championship.

They could oppose, but not sure what good it'll do them. Change has happened, that train has left the station. Change with it, or the provincials go and I'd like them to stay

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations

« on: April 18, 2023, 10:09:33 AM »

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the obvious changed needed here is to rank provincial winners as seed 1, whilst allowing provincial final losers to progress to All Ireland series, seeding should be based entirely on league placings for non provincial winners.
There might even be an argument for seeding provincial winners based on league placings too.
Could be groups like this:
Seed 1, seed 16, seed 12, seed 8 all in one group  and so on.
That would really make league placings worth fighting for and massively ramp up the connection between league and championship.
The big negative would be that the gaa would miss out on a great opportunity to draw balls from bowls and we all know how they like be to at that!!!

Can't agree with this. It makes no sense to not seed the provincial finalists too. It is Championship, yet you want to use seeding from 2 months before than the final which is that week and has been based on actual Championship results? You're overly rewarding teams for doing fine in league, but getting knocked out early in provincials. The League is only used to fill up the last 7 positions which have not been filled by Championship, so they get the last seedings. No way they should be getting higher than actual championship performances when it's a fall back to fill positions, not the main driver.

Also, when the final pairings are set, this then allows them to do the draw as they know then that the 1st and 2nd seeds will be from the finalists, and can draw the other 8 3rd and 4th seeds as they'll be known. It doesn't have to wait until the final results are known to then apply your seeding logic

It does when one of them will be either Sligo or New York.

And there's a very easy fix for that. Seed the provincial draws (for the very rare occasion is works like this in Connacht). Taking away the rewarding of Championship form is hardly the answer

That's a fair point too.

Edit - although, does beating Leitrim and Sligo equate championship form (NY)? Or beating London and New York?  (Sligo)

I agree in this case it doesn't. It's a small failure of the way they did this, that they didn't stipulate that the provincials are seeded, in order to prevent likes of this. Now if Sligo had come through and beaten one of Mayo, Roscommon, or Galway after they were seeded on that side, then they would fully deserve it. This is the first real year of this format. There will be teething issues. No harm in them making some tweaks.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Sam Maguire permutations

« on: April 18, 2023, 09:38:50 AM »

The provincial championships need to be seeded also for the current system to work.  Connacht allowing a system where the three strongest teams are on one side of the draw is nuts and just means that the final will be a damp squib. It means a team outside the top 20 is guaranteed a place in the super 16s and means that two of the strongest teams in the country (based on league standings) go into the group stages as a lower seed.   

For the sake of the integrity of the provinces alone (never mind the Super 16s), the provincial championships should be seeded.   Obviously this is more important in Munster, Connacht and to a lesser extent Leinster.

That's it exactly. The easier fix is already there. There's enough teams in each province in the top 2 divisions, that if seeded and if a D3/4 team makes it through, they'll have had to beat at least one of those teams, thereby earning the right to be up there.