James Brokenshire - Snubs Amhrán na bhFiann

[Owen Brannigan]

The problem lies with what type of UI would you be voting for?

1. An Ireland where NI would be fully integrated with constituencies electing TDs to a Dublin parliament and re-unification as in the way of East and West Germany.

2. A federal Ireland with parliaments in Belfast and Dublin with equal status and proportionate funding and existing cross border bodies dealing with all Ireland issues.

3. Another model.

One thing that everyone has learnt from the UK EU referendum is that a simple Yes/No answer is inadequate and voters should be provided with a more sophisticated proposal(s).  These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

[Farrandeelin]

The problem lies with what type of UI would you be voting for?

1. An Ireland where NI would be fully integrated with constituencies electing TDs to a Dublin parliament and re-unification as in the way of East and West Germany.

2. A federal Ireland with parliaments in Belfast and Dublin with equal status and proportionate funding and existing cross border bodies dealing with all Ireland issues.

3. Another model.

One thing that everyone has learnt from the UK EU referendum is that a simple Yes/No answer is inadequate and voters should be provided with a more sophisticated proposal(s).  These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

Maybe have 4 parliaments. One for each province, with a National parliament somewhere in the midlands?

[johnneycool]

The problem lies with what type of UI would you be voting for?

1. An Ireland where NI would be fully integrated with constituencies electing TDs to a Dublin parliament and re-unification as in the way of East and West Germany.

2. A federal Ireland with parliaments in Belfast and Dublin with equal status and proportionate funding and existing cross border bodies dealing with all Ireland issues.

3. Another model.

One thing that everyone has learnt from the UK EU referendum is that a simple Yes/No answer is inadequate and voters should be provided with a more sophisticated proposal(s).  These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

Maybe have 4 parliaments. One for each province, with a National parliament somewhere in the midlands?

Eíre Nua??

[armaghniac]

The problem lies with what type of UI would you be voting for?

1. An Ireland where NI would be fully integrated with constituencies electing TDs to a Dublin parliament and re-unification as in the way of East and West Germany.

2. A federal Ireland with parliaments in Belfast and Dublin with equal status and proportionate funding and existing cross border bodies dealing with all Ireland issues.

3. Another model.

One thing that everyone has learnt from the UK EU referendum is that a simple Yes/No answer is inadequate and voters should be provided with a more sophisticated proposal(s).  These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

Indeed, a poll without a model would make no sense. But the problem is economic as much as anything. However,  the British have arranged things so that they will bribe people if there is one outcome without contributing to the other and this needs to be exposed and the Unionists will refuse to say what they want to make things seem more difficult than they are.

These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

Anyone who purports to be nationalist must contribute to this development.

[Keyboard Warrior]

The problem lies with what type of UI would you be voting for?

1. An Ireland where NI would be fully integrated with constituencies electing TDs to a Dublin parliament and re-unification as in the way of East and West Germany.

2. A federal Ireland with parliaments in Belfast and Dublin with equal status and proportionate funding and existing cross border bodies dealing with all Ireland issues.

3. Another model.

One thing that everyone has learnt from the UK EU referendum is that a simple Yes/No answer is inadequate and voters should be provided with a more sophisticated proposal(s).  These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

Given that a the north would automatically gain access to the EU following voting for reunification, I presume that it would come under the jurisdiction of Dublin (with MP's becoming TD's). However, I would also guess that the south will implement changes and/or temporary special arrangements in the meantime in regards to the north; in order to make reunification more appealing to undecided voters. Ultimately creating the atmosphere of a  'new Ireland' talked about before, without it actually being a 'new' state.

[omaghjoe]

This is all a bit irrelevant if someone is an Nationalist their defining ideal is a UI

[OgraAnDun]

This is all a bit irrelevant if someone is an Nationalist their defining ideal is a UI

To be fair to him, what he probably meant to say was that not all who vote for the nationalist parties actually want a UI at this moment in time. Doesn't excuse the fact that he's incompetent however.

[dec]

Here is what he actually said

http://www.irishnews.com/news/generalelection/2017/05/30/news/nationalist-and-republican-voters-do-not-necessarily-want-a-united-ireland-james-brokenshire-1040159/

"Obviously we keep these issues under very close and careful review but I think in terms of the way people vote, that people may vote for one party but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to see a change to the institutions, that they want to see a change to the foundations that underpin all of that stability that has been achieved from the Belfast Agreement and thereafter."

[Owen Brannigan]

Here is what he actually said

http://www.irishnews.com/news/generalelection/2017/05/30/news/nationalist-and-republican-voters-do-not-necessarily-want-a-united-ireland-james-brokenshire-1040159/

"Obviously we keep these issues under very close and careful review but I think in terms of the way people vote, that people may vote for one party but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to see a change to the institutions, that they want to see a change to the foundations that underpin all of that stability that has been achieved from the Belfast Agreement and thereafter."

That is much different than the opening statement by Farrandeelin who was paraphrasing within his own framework:

He now says not all Nationalists or Republicans want a United Ireland. Make of that what you will.

Are there voters who do or will cast their ballot for SF or SDLP or PBP or WP that do not want a change to the current institutions?

Yes there will be.

Are there voters who do or will cast their ballot for SF or SDLP or PBP or WP that do not want a change from the foundations of the Good Friday agreement?

Yes there will be.

So, maybe Brokenshire isn't too far wrong but is really being lambasted for his incompetency, bias towards the Union, his partisanship with the DUP and his membership of the Conservative government and party.

[armaghniac]

Here is what he actually said

http://www.irishnews.com/news/generalelection/2017/05/30/news/nationalist-and-republican-voters-do-not-necessarily-want-a-united-ireland-james-brokenshire-1040159/

"Obviously we keep these issues under very close and careful review but I think in terms of the way people vote, that people may vote for one party but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to see a change to the institutions, that they want to see a change to the foundations that underpin all of that stability that has been achieved from the Belfast Agreement and thereafter."

Quite. But he is pushing this Brexit bollix that basically throws the whole thing in the bin, so he should look at himself in the first instance.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Sam MCBride who in fairness did some great work on the RHI scandal backing up Brokenshire using results from a 4 YEAR OLD POLL - FFS Brexit wasnt even on the radar 4 yrs ago!!!

[DuffleKing]

Leaving personalities out of it, could anyone persuade me why an Irish Nationalist should vote for SF over SDLP from an ideology and policy perspective?

[north_antrim_hound]

Leaving personalities out of it, could anyone persuade me why an Irish Nationalist should vote for SF over SDLP from an ideology and policy perspective?

Tactical voting, like it or love it the unionist did it for years
Look at the last stormont elections, voting for the shinners nearly pulled of a shock majority vote
Social, economic issues play second fiddle to the us and them mindset.

[Avondhu star]

The problem lies with what type of UI would you be voting for?

1. An Ireland where NI would be fully integrated with constituencies electing TDs to a Dublin parliament and re-unification as in the way of East and West Germany.

2. A federal Ireland with parliaments in Belfast and Dublin with equal status and proportionate funding and existing cross border bodies dealing with all Ireland issues.

3. Another model.

One thing that everyone has learnt from the UK EU referendum is that a simple Yes/No answer is inadequate and voters should be provided with a more sophisticated proposal(s).  These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

Maybe have 4 parliaments. One for each province, with a National parliament somewhere in the midlands?

Why not one for each county and two for Tipperary to cover the North Riding and the South Riding?

[armaghniac]

The problem lies with what type of UI would you be voting for?

1. An Ireland where NI would be fully integrated with constituencies electing TDs to a Dublin parliament and re-unification as in the way of East and West Germany.

2. A federal Ireland with parliaments in Belfast and Dublin with equal status and proportionate funding and existing cross border bodies dealing with all Ireland issues.

3. Another model.

One thing that everyone has learnt from the UK EU referendum is that a simple Yes/No answer is inadequate and voters should be provided with a more sophisticated proposal(s).  These models for a UI should be developed by those proposing a border poll if they are truly interested in reaching that destination and bringing as many people as possible along with them.

Maybe have 4 parliaments. One for each province, with a National parliament somewhere in the midlands?

Why not one for each county and two for Tipperary to cover the North Riding and the South Riding?

There is no more riding in Tipp.