Money, Dublin and the GAA

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dublin7

Quote from: mup on December 24, 2020, 07:06:23 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 24, 2020, 08:05:07 AM
Are you another with the opinion that everyone just needs to try harder?

Do you even have to ask? And you wonder why they are disliked by many.

Successful teams in all sports are disliked by many. Nothing new there.

Marc O'Se was complaining in the paper recently that people don't hate Kerry anymore and people almost feel sorry for them that the dubs are so good

6th sam

#2266

Article in Irish news today, very interesting .
Down , a midrange county in football and hurling in terms of success, has the 4th largest population in Ireland , we receive the least amount of games development grant from Croke park , of all 32 counties. Logistics wise we have challenges as football training is based at southern extreme of the county and uniquely most of our hurlers have to get a ferry to train on a 100 x60 4g pitch. We were beaten by a point in the AI final of 2010, just before Dublin's decade of financial and playing dominance. Each year we have to negotiate our way past the likes of Donegal Monaghan Tyrone Armagh mostly away from home. How on earth can we expect to match the Dublin giant?
I cheered Dublin in 2011 v Kerry , little did I suspect that the GAA had created a monster.
I plead with Dublin  supporters on this thread to propose a fair solution to this farce rather than blindly defending the indefensible .

Re a potential solution:
The provincial championships in Ulster and Connacht particularly are a competitive exciting series and I'd be nervous about stopping them. I think they can be retained but qualification for the AI series can be duelled from
NFL and provincial series. Eg provincial champions qualify automatically for quarter finals . Excluding these teams , the top 8 teams in NFL play each other for quarter final place. The next teams outside this top 12 compete for AI IFC and the bottom 12 for AI JFC. If Dublin qualify  for AI series they must play their games outside Croke park until semi. The teams with the highest league position get a home qfinal . This elevates the  NFL , retains provincial series , and removes Croke park as a permanent home venue for the Dubs. It means that every county gets 7 nfl games and at least 2 championship games.
Divide sponsorship and funding , on the basis of equity, and also on basis of "matched" funding to incentivise fundraising. There should also be a cap on county team costs.

I have been advocating a split season for years and thankfully now it has come to fruition , and it lends itself perfectly to the above structure. The above may seem
"Pie in the sky" but it's a realistic way of levelling the playing field. Importantly it retains provincial championships , but incentivises  league position at all levels, it gets the Dubs out of Croker , and distributes the funding more equitably . It gives 3 separate tiers but each county gets a crack at Sam . It gives a minimum
Of 9 and maximum of 15 Intercounty games for each county.
Importantly, every single nfl game has meaning and every championship game has a potential knockout element.
4 months of weekly Intercounty football mostly in compact venues, every county involved until
Last 6 weeks and then just losing a few teams each week until final. Then everybody back with their clubs for an extended season .
It's a genius solution , even if I say so myself😂

Baile Brigín 2

Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

Tubberman

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

Maybe they should get the govt and GAA to step in and pump millions of euro in?
Mind you, they still wouldnt have the 'natural' advantages of population, wealth, home games etc
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

larryin89

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

Merry xmas to you too , ye wouldn't have many all Irelands from start to present day if it wasn't for country folk settling in Dublin.  Must play on the mind a little to think the native dub has nearly always been less of an influence .
Walk-in down mchale rd , sun out, summers day , game day . That's all .

6th sam

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

😂😂 no it's not , but it is up to you to reflect , along with the many Dubliners who are already doing so, that the more AIs you win under current finances and structures , the less value those wins are. The GAA owes it to these great Dublin players , to give them the opportunity to win a fair All-Ireland.

sid waddell

Quote from: 6th sam on December 25, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

😂😂 no it's not , but it is up to you to reflect , along with the many Dubliners who are already doing so, that the more AIs you win under current finances and structures , the less value those wins are. The GAA owes it to these great Dublin players , to give them the opportunity to win a fair All-Ireland.
There has never been such a thing as a "fair" All-Ireland

Representative sport is not about fairness

The argument here is to put measures in place to make it competitive across the board

That's a different thing altogether from fairness

Competitiveness across all the GAA has always been lacking

The 2015 All-Ireland quarter-final between Kerry and Kildare was not competitive

The 1993 All-Ireland semi-final between Cork and Mayo was not competitive

The 1994 All-Ireland semi-final between Dublin and Leitrim was not competitive


Lar Naparka

#2272
Quote from: sid waddell on December 25, 2020, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 25, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Its not up to us to offer a solution as to why your county is rubbish on and off the pitch

😂😂 no it's not , but it is up to you to reflect , along with the many Dubliners who are already doing so, that the more AIs you win under current finances and structures , the less value those wins are. The GAA owes it to these great Dublin players , to give them the opportunity to win a fair All-Ireland.
There has never been such a thing as a "fair" All-Ireland



That's a different thing altogether from fairness

Competitiveness across all the GAA has always been lacking

The 2015 All-Ireland quarter-final between Kerry and Kildare was not competitive

The 1993 All-Ireland semi-final between Cork and Mayo was not competitive

The 1994 All-Ireland semi-final between Dublin and Leitrim was not competitive
Bang on Sid. Couldn't put it better myself.
Athbhliain faoi mhaise to everyone on the board and especially to my flat earth Dublin friends.  ;D
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Hound

So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

shantygael

you've only had enough to drink when you cant hold onto the ground

From the Bunker

Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

Don't be blaming Mayo sure they have only won one of the last five Connacht titles. We have not won Sam since 1951. Think of that! Think of all the counties that have won in those 70 years. Cavan, Louth, Derry, Donegal, Down, Armagh, Offaly, Tyrone have claimed titles in that period. We have won 2 League titles in 50 years. We won only 2 Connacht titles from 1955 to 1981. We have a youth population that leave.  Go get educated, leave to the City centres, get jobs there, get married, settle. Brain drain, youth drain, energy drain - call it what you like.




dublin7

Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them

armaghniac

Quote from: dublin7 on December 26, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them

No, it is not about these places. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal are broadly the same size and provide excellent competition among themselves. The issue is with Dublin which has twice the population of these counties put together, that is the issue and the only issue of any importance.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

From the Bunker

Quote from: dublin7 on December 26, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them

How much relevance do you put on a Leinster title these days?

RedHand88

Quote from: armaghniac on December 26, 2020, 11:16:54 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 26, 2020, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 26, 2020, 10:21:20 PM
So Lar, Mayo have won 47 Connachts and they've made it to over 80 Connacht finals.

Leitrim have made the Connacht final twice in the last 50 years. Twice in 50 years!
This is a province with only 5 counties. Yep London and New york have been added as cannon fodder, but still Leitrim have made two Connacht finals in 50 years.

What can be done to make the Connacht championship fair for Leitrim?

That's irrelevant. It's not about Leitrim, Waterford, Fermanagh etc. It's about the likes of poor Mayo,Kerry and Tyrone who because they think they can't beat Dublin to win the All Ireland they have to settle for league and provincial titles, which they feel is unimportant and irrelevant to them

No, it is not about these places. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal are broadly the same size and provide excellent competition among themselves. The issue is with Dublin which has twice the population of these counties put together, that is the issue and the only issue of any importance.


Its worse.

Tyrone 178k
Kerry 148k
Donegal 160k
Mayo 130k

Dublin 1.38 MILLION, more than the other 4 combined, then doubled, then add another Kerry in.